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From YouTube: 2-10-23 City Council budget discussion
Description
Des Moines City Council morning budget discussion on Friday, February 10, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
B
C
C
Morning
this
is
a
presentation
and
the
first
opportunity
to
show
you
the
entirety
of
the
operational
budget,
as
well
as
the
capital
listing
and
with
the
full
expectation
that
there
would
be
further
yet
conversation
as
we
go
through
the
document
and
over
the
next
several
weeks.
With
the
approvals
scheduled
through
the
month
of
March.
Now
we
do
have
the
tax
rate
in
the
levy
maximum
and
the
cap
that
will
be
on
the
next
council
meeting.
But
that's
simply
one
piece
of
that
which
good
news
you've
all
heard
from
me.
C
C
Let's
say
it
that
way,
so
I
again
want
to
send
out
my
appreciation
to
those
departments
as
well
again
an
opportunity
to
see
what
the
recommendation
looks
like
and
then
have
further
discussions.
The
next
three
or
four
weeks
before
there's
any
vote
to
actually
finalize
that
so
with
that
I
will
send
it
over
I
believe
Joe
gets
to
start
with
the
operations
and
they'll
tag
team
throughout
the
morning.
Thank
you.
E
Good
morning,
mayor
and
Council
Joe
branstadter
Deputy
Finance
director.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
today.
I
just
want
to
dovetail
a
little
bit
on
what
Scott
said
about
the
amount
of
work
the
budget
staff
puts
into
this.
We
have
thousands
of
line,
items
and
departments
and
each
analyst
Works
closely
with
the
Departments
to
find
ways
to
get
their
requests
and
needs
in
the
budget
and
try
to
minimize
the
impact
as
much
as
possible.
E
E
E
E
You
will
see
in
this
budget,
we
are
increasing
our
it
network
security
staff
significantly
and
we're
adding
a
sustainability
position,
we're
also
adding
a
public
safety
Equity
position
within
the
city
manager's
office,
we're
adding
a
principal
traffic
engineer
which
is
covered
by
Road
use
tax,
primarily
that
that
actually
is
offset
by
reducing
some
of
our
contractual
costs.
We're
also
increasing
our
our
wages
for
our
seasonal
staff.
I
believe
this
is
either
the
third
or
fourth
time
we've
been
able
to
bump
those
up
to
stay
competitive.
We
also
this
has
been
presented
at
Council
workshops.
G
F
F
C
F
Would
just
like
to
voice
my
support
for
that
position.
I
think
that
it's
going
to
be
important,
especially
for
us
to
reach
our
Equity
goals.
It
would
allow
us
to
do
this.
This
operation
of
equity
mapping,
which
would
let
us,
would
help
a
lot
of
our
more
practical
departments,
be
able
to
take
an
equity
lens
to
the
work
that
they
do,
and
so
I
would
definitely
like
to
see
that
I'll
be
advocating
for
that
mid-year.
E
E
E
E
Some
of
those
other
fees
you
see
for
fees
and
charges
for
services.
A
lot
of
those
are
things
like
our
indirect
cost
allocation,
which
we're
charging
the
Enterprise
funds
for
their
use
of
the
general
fund
for
our
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes,
which
we
covered
in
some
of
the
other
presentations
for
our
Enterprise
pieces
that
are
not
paying
property
tax
or
charge
the
pilot
fee
and
then
we're
seeing
some
of
our
ambulance
charges
and
airport
reimbursements
for
police
services
reflected
in
that
fees
and
charges
for
service.
E
Now
you
also
see
fines
at
three
percent
that
includes
parking
violations.
Our
ate
revenue
is
listed
there
as
well,
and
other
fines
are
listed
there
too.
Also,
you
see
hotel
motel
tax.
This
is
a
significant
Revenue
source
for
us,
we'll
get
into
this
a
little
later,
but
four
sevenths
of
that
does
go
out
to
our
Community
Partners
in
Bravo
and
catch
Des
Moines,
and
we
do
make
a
payment
to
the
zoo
as
well.
E
On
the
expenditure
side,
you
can
see
that
Personnel
Services
is
our
largest
category.
Human
capital
continues
to
be
our
largest
and
and
most
expensive
asset
that
we
have
as
far
as
the
contractual
services
and
the
use
of
funds
at
15.
The
largest
three
coming
out
of
those
are
those
payments
that
I
reference
to
Bravo
and
and
catch
Des
Moines,
as
well
as
our
payment
to
our
automated
traffic
enforcement
vendor
gatso,
and
then
our
vehicle
replacement
cost
of
replacing
our
vehicles
within
the
plan
and
the
other
charges.
E
E
E
Just
a
couple
things
to
call
out.
You
can
see
in
fiscal
19,
we
did
have
a
surplus
in
fiscal
19
and
then
in
20,
a
slight
deficit
that
was
planned
based
on
the
additional
Revenue
in
19
from
a
garage
sale
and
a
transfer
for
property
buyouts
from
storm
water,
and
then
we
anticipated
as
part
of
that
2020
budget,
a
slight
deficit.
So
we
kind
of
grouped
those
two
years
together,
you
can
see
from
21
on
through
24
again.
E
E
This
is
not
in
the
budget,
but
this
is
just
more
for
future
planning.
You
can
see
that
we
are
run.
We
are.
Our
expenditures
are
planning
to
exceed
our
revenues.
That's
just
based
off
of
our
current
Personnel
costs,
so
this
is
the
25
budget
hasn't
been
developed
yet,
but
just
for
for
council's
awareness
just
for
status
quo,
just
to
keep
up
with
with
salaries
and
inflation.
We
are
looking
at
a
slight
Gap
in
25.
E
E
But
at
our
initial
glance
we
can
see
that
our
Personnel
costs
are
going
to
increase
and
right
now
the
revenue
is
currently
are
not
covering
those
those
costs
and
as
we
develop
the
budget
just
like
we're
doing
this
year
into
next
year,
we
will
tweak
that
a
little
bit,
but
just
something
that
that
Nick
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
council
is
aware
of.
Is
our
costs
are
increasing
across
the
board
and
we
will
need
to
take
a
look
at
trying
to
get
that
balance
in
25..
So.
F
It
looks
like
to
me
as
well
like
the
21
through
23.
Obviously,
24
is
going
to
be
balanced
evenly
because
we're
writing
it.
It's
not
the
actual,
but
21-23
looks
like
we
had
that
sort
of
surplus,
but
it
was
getting
smaller
and
smaller.
Is
there
a
chance
that
in
24,
our
expenditures
are
going
to
outstrip
our
revenues
as
well
and
when
it
comes
to
the
actual
amended.
C
That's
always
a
possibility
but
understand,
as
the
year
goes
through
new
projects
get
identified
that
have
new
revenues
attached
to
them,
so
we're
always
trying
to
match
that
up
throughout
the
year
with
any
changes
as
well.
The
contingency
is
there
to
take
on
any
unexpected
costs,
as
well.
I
should
say
to
a
limit.
G
C
E
We
we
do
a
pretty
good
job
forecasting,
those
so
we
can
say
with
with
confidence
within
24.
Our
Personnel
costs
should
remain
about
the
same
I
think
when
we
we
amend
the
budget
to
basically
mid-year
to
catch
any
changes
and
I
think
our
it
was
very
minimal
from
recommended
to
amended
our
adjustments
to
the
salary.
So
we've
done
a
really
good
job
of
forecasting,
those
so
I'm,
confident
in
the
24
number
from
Personnel
standpoint.
B
C
C
A
That's
it
that's
a
great
statement
that
was
what
but
Scott
as
we
go
through
and
we
work
our
way
through
this
budget.
I
see
the
24
we've
got
it
pretty
much
even
but
as
we
go
to
25
or
you
wouldn't
look
at
a
well,
let's
say,
depending
on
what
they
do.
If
all
states
the
same
or
or
at
least
close,
are
you
looking
at
an
increase
in
the
levy,
then
in
25
not.
C
A
H
One
thing
to
note
too,
when
you're
looking
at
the
25
is
that
the
revenue
is
basically
flat,
so
we're
not
showing
any
oh,
very
much
any
Revenue
growth
at
all
in
the
property
taxes,
which
is
the
biggest
percentage
on
that,
so
that's
kind
of
showing
reflecting
the
cost
of
all
the
expenses
with
inflators,
but
not
the
revenue.
So
well,
that's
an
important.
F
H
Year,
25
is
anticipated
as
a
re-evaluation
year,
but
at
that
point
there's
so
many
things
going
on
at
the
at
the
state
level
of
that
might
affect
or
cap
that
growth
that
we
decided
on
that
25.
That
was
more
conservative
to
put
that
as
a
flat
rate
as
of
right
now,
not
necessarily
knowing
what's
going
to
hit
legislature
so.
F
Okay,
I
just
do
have
to
acknowledge,
because
it
was
said
to
activists
in
2020
that
our
police
costs
our
Personnel
costs
from
police.
We're
going
to
outstrip
our
revenues
and
we'd
been
warning
about
that
for
a
while,
and
so
this
is
concerning
for
me
to
see
knowing
that
that
was
said
back
in
2020,
that
our
costs
for
police
were
going
to
outstrip
our
revenues.
F
A
G
F
E
Moving
on
to
our
Major
General
revenues,
as
we
discussed
earlier,
our
tax
evaluations
are
basically
we
did
see
a
little
bit
of
growth,
but
mostly
flat,
and
we
do
have
a
slide.
The
next
slide
covers
a
little
bit
of
our
historical
tax
growth,
franchise
fees,
which
is
the
five
percent
fee
we
charge
on
gas
and
electric
that's
remaining
relatively
flat
and
our
other
Big
Driver
hotel
motel.
We
are
seeing
an
increase
in
that
which
is
positive,
we'll
cover
that
in
an
upcoming
slide.
E
E
You
can
see
in
fiscal
year
24,
which
is
a
revaluation
year.
Non-Revaluation
year
we
had
1.4
growth
so
to
some
of
the
comments
earlier
every
other
year
we
do
see
a
higher
growth
so
to
your
point,
councilmember
God
of
that
that
last
slide
did
not
reflect
any
growth
in
the
property
tax,
so
we
we
hopefully
will
see
above
that
3.26
line
in
25.
It's
just
too
early
for
us
to
tell
at
this
point.
E
E
Hotel
motel
tax,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
this
is,
has
increased
significantly
over
what
we
had
seen
the
past
few
years.
20
and
21
were
obviously
affected
by
by
covid,
and
you
can
see
in
23
and
24
we're
expecting
an
increase.
The
increase
in
23
is
based
off.
We've
received
two
quarters
of
payments
already
in
23,
so
we
can
project
that
23
and
24
number
based
off
of
that.
So
that's
that's
positive
news
and
again
four
fifths.
Four
sevenths
of
that
is
getting
pushed
out
to
our
Community
Partners.
E
G
G
C
There's
an
actual
2080
agreement
that
spells
out
how
much
everybody's,
putting
in
so
we'd
have
to
bring
that
back
to
those
groups
to
make
additional
changes.
There's
one
very
small
exception
with
some
money
that
we
can
hold
back,
and
we
can
talk
about
that
at
a
different
point.
But
it's
like
the
zoo.
E
E
E
E
E
This
is
general
fund
by
Department.
I.
Do
want
to
call
out
you
see
administrative
Services
you're,
probably
wondering
why
we're
going
from
41
in
the
adopted
to
77.9
in
the
amended.
A
lot
of
that
is
related
to
arpa
funds.
We
did
receive
just
about
94
million
dollars
of
arpa
funds
and
as
a
way
to
help
us
get
money
out
the
door
quicker.
We're
able
to
take
a
portion
of
that
to
the
general
fund
and
then
pay
those
arpa
commitments
that
Council
had
made
out
of
the
general
fund.
E
E
That's
in
part
due
to
some
additional
transfers.
We
did
from
revenues
related
to
fire
for
the
ground,
emergency
medical
transportation
Revenue.
We
received
we're
basically
taking
that
and
we're
transferring
it
to
the
CIP,
which
shows
up
as
an
expense
for
fire
related
projects.
So
that's
that's!
Roughly
two
million
dollars
also
I
brought
this
up
before,
is
the
additional
payments
to
Bravo
and
catch
Des
Moines.
With
that
significant
increase
in
hotel
motel
there's
a
significant
increase
in
expense
as
well
and.
F
So
administrative
Services
is
so
high
compared
to
everything
else,
because
so
much
of
like
the
funds
that
you
guys
administer
through
Finance
are
listed
in
finance
under
administrative
service.
So
like
lost
and
a
whole
bunch
of
anything,
that's
not
general
fund
or
Capital
Improvement.
Is
that
correct.
E
The
the
bar
graph
earlier
showed
our
our
balance
budget
in
23
and
24..
That's
reflected
here
from
23
adopted
to
amended.
We
do
see
we're
anticipating
a
surplus
of
about
922
000
and
the
23
amended,
and
the
24
budget
we're
getting
by
with
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
planned
Surplus
in
both
those
years.
So
we
are,
we
do
have
a
balanced
budget
in
23,
amended
and
24
recommended.
E
Quickly
on
on
road
use
tax,
this
is
a
money
we
get
from
the
state.
It's
all
formula
based
most
of
our
road
use
tax
is
it's
about
33
million
dollars
and
we're
using
those
funds,
primarily
on
Street
Maintenance,
Street
lighting.
We
do
use
a
little
bit
on
Street
trees
and
then
the
transfers
or
transfers
to
a
capital
projects
primarily
to
cover
Road
use,
Road
related
projects.
E
I'm
moving
on
to
our
local
option
sales
tax:
these
are
the
main
categories
that
that
Council
had
directed
us.
When
this
was
passed
to
use
funds
on
the
vast
majority,
nearly
half
is
going
towards
neighborhood
improvements
and
we
can
get
into
a
little
more
detail
on
those
Street
improvements
and
flood
prevention
is
the
next
largest
category,
followed
by
Public
Safety
improvements
and
expenditures.
E
Also,
the
the
other
significant
point
to
to
bring
up
about
local
option
is
by
law.
We
are
required
to
put
half
of
that
towards
our
debt
service.
That
is
reflected
here
so
immediately.
We
do
a
transfer
to
Debt
Service
that
reduces
our
need
to
borrow
money
and
funds.
Our
capital
projects
changes
we're
also
increasing
our
street
improvements
at
a
local
option,
from
six
million
dollars
to
10
million
dollars
and
24.
E
I
do
want
to
note
the
flood
prevention
buyout,
fine
item
there.
We
basically
roll
over
what
we
don't
spend
the
next
fiscal
year.
So
we
we
budget,
400
000
a
year
and
anything
that
we
don't
spend
gets
ruled
over.
That's
why
you
see
659
000
in
the
amended
hypothetically.
If
that
doesn't
get
spent,
we
would
then
roll
that
entire
amount
over
to
24..
E
A
What
this
excuse
me
with
the
street
improvements
is:
are
we
does
that
mean
we're
doing
more,
or
does
that
just
mean
the
price
has
gone
up
for
for
what
we've
done,
probably
both
because
I
think.
That's
that's
important
to
note.
You
know
when,
when
folks
that
are
listening
or
or
hear
when
we,
when
we
talk
about
it,
it's
an
additional
4
million,
but
is
an
additional
four
million
dollars
of
actual
more
work
than
what
we
did
the
year
or
is
it
we.
E
C
But
the
takeaway
here
is
that
for
our
planned
local
Street
system,
we've
added
a
million
to
go
to
seven.
Is
it
seven
or
eight
seven
million
and
then
Broadway
and
a
couple
other
projects
that
have
come
in
over
budget
are
utilizing.
The
rest,
so
I
would
anticipate
moving
forward
that
number
to
be
7
million
and
maybe
a
little
higher.
If
we
can
continuously
add
to.
E
Moving
on
to
Neighborhood
Services
neighborhood
improvements,
excuse
me
just
a
quick
note
on
that
that
first
one
for
for
Blitz
on
blight,
that's
the
local
option,
portion
of
the
program-
we're
also
issuing
bonds
for
that.
So
this
is
just
the
commitment
from
local
option
that
I
believe
we
issued
three
million
dollars
of
bonds
last
time
around,
but
we
do
also
contribute
local
options
to
that
Northside
Community
Center.
You
can
see
that
goes
from
two
million
dollars
to
zero,
that's
related
to
arpa
funds.
E
E
Parks
capital
projects
includes
a
variety
of
parks
projects
within
the
CIP.
If
you
do
look
at
the
CIP
there,
we
do
have
a
page
of
projects
by
funding
source,
so
you
can
see
every
single
Parks
project
or
every
single
CIP
project-
that's
funded
directly
from
Lost,
so
we
are
funding
a
lot
of
capital
costs
out
from
our
local
option
as
well.
E
Special
investment
districts
that
is
invest
DSM,
we're
also
transferring
a
million
dollars
to
the
CIP
for
additional
sidewalk
capital
projects
as
well
and
Nick
will
get
into
sidewalks,
with
our
CIP
presentation
too,
and
also
the
one
item
that
we
have
new
this
year
is,
we
did
are
giving
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
Des
Moines
Public
Schools
food,
pantry,
yeah
and
fiscal
year.
23.
C
K
C
A
C
K
K
No,
they
they
are
still
doing
it.
This
is
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
go
out
and
purchase
food
that
are
is
specific
to
maybe
the
you
know,
the
people
that
are
in
the
schools,
more
culturally
specific
they're
buying
additional
food
and
personal
hygiene
products,
which
is
one
of
the
big
things
that
they
were
asking
for.
They
see
a
huge
need
in
the
pantries
that
they
have
in
their
schools,
so
they
were
looking
at
local
wholesalers,
grocery
stores,
to
bring
in
food.
You
know.
A
D
D
In
my
neighborhood
that
really
needed
some
food,
so
by
doing
this
we
can
get
some
food
into
there
into
those
schools.
When
I
saw
the
list
of
what
food
bank
of
Iowa
was
doing,
it
was
going
to
like
the
downtown
school
and
Greenwood,
and
it's
like
wait
a
minute.
Where
are
where
are
ours,
schools
that
really
need
it?
The
most
I.
K
Think
this
was
also
to
build
out
part
of
the
money
where
the
additional
dollars
was
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
build
it
out
on
their
own.
So
that
would
be
their
equipment.
And
so
it
was
like
kind
of
a
three-fold,
additional
food
and
being
able
to
buy
the
kind
that
the
kids
would
take
home
and
want
to
eat
and
also
build
out.
The
pantries
I.
C
It's
in
response
to
the
fact
that
the
federal
SNAP
program,
which
is
the
food
stamps
reduced
significantly
after
the
at
the
end
of
the
pandemic,
and
they
saw
exponential
increase
in
need
and
inability
to
provide
that
food.
So
that
was
in
response
to
that
and
I
think
it
would
be
absolutely
appropriate
to
bring
them
back
in
and
see
where
their
numbers
are
and
what
the
snap
program
changes
have
been.
Yeah.
A
C
I
E
J
E
E
Are
our
anticipation
when
we
did
this
a
couple
years
ago
is
they
would
be
filled
through
attrition
through
other
vacancies
within
engineering
and
Publix?
Okay
within
a
year
or
two?
That
line
item
should
go
away
and
and
those
with
those
positions
those
individuals
would
be
absorbed
into
other
vacancies.
E
E
E
We
also
have
our
mobile
crisis
Services,
provided
through
broadlawn's
contract,
that's
listed
there
and
then
we
do
have
three
Public
Safety
positions
and
that
Equity
position
that
we
spoke
to
earlier
funded
from
local
option.
The
the
reason
for
the
increase
from
95
to
450
is
it
was
just
a
partial
year
in
23
for
those
additional
dispatcher
supervisor
positions
and
then
the
increase
of
the
equity
position
in
24.
A
C
Understanding
it
was
three
that,
with
the
academy
getting
started,
that
we
are
just
slightly
over
the
head
count
of
authorization
that
this
line
item
is
19.
Firefighters
in
total
that
have
been
the
rest
would
be
general
fund
expenses,
so
I
think
that's
an
important
point
to
make
is
that
there
is
a
Reliance
on
the
sales
tax
to
to
keep
that
funding
for
the
firefighters
so
well.
A
C
L
C
A
G
C
And
part
of
that
discussion
that
we'll
have
is,
if
we
have
opportunities
to
have
different
pieces
of
apparatus
available,
whether
or
not
we
take
advantage
of
that,
because
obviously
calls
are
very
different
one
to
the
next
vehicle
issues,
medical
issues
at
home
and
then
actual
fires,
and
then
large,
multi-residential
or
larger
building
structures,
so
apparatus
matter.
And
if
we
have
the
opportunity
to
get
different
pieces
of
apparatus,
we'll
definitely
be
presenting
that
to
council.
Within
this
conversation
that
we'll
have.
D
C
C
A
Just
a
you
talked
about
adding,
maybe
different
apparatus
for
different
calls:
I
I
just
we
need
to
be
transparent
with
the
with
the
residents
that
we're
serving
you
know,
councilwoman,
Schumacher
and
and
council
member
mandelbaum
has
a
rig
out
of
service
in
their
award
half
the
time,
if
not
more
so,
I
mean
that
that
is
something
that
their
individual
and
the
entire
city,
because
it
takes
a
hit,
needs
to
know
that
and
needs
to
be
transparent
and
so
moving
forward.
I
mean
just
if
we're
fully
staffed
and
we're
going
to
switch
that
around.
K
The
mobile
crisis
services
that
we've
are
we
looking
at
expanding
that
I
know.
The
discussion
was
talking
about
that.
We
could
use
more
people
in
the
field
work
so
that
would
be
working
with
Broadlawns.
So
I
don't
know.
If
there's
any
talk
yet
I
know
it's
not.
It
takes
a
while
to
get
more
Personnel.
So
just
would
like
to
stress
that
I
think
it
seems
like
it's
for
the
calls
that
they're
intervening
on
now.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
C
G
E
In
conclusion,
just
a
few
of
our
our
challenges
and
outside
factors
we
have
seen
over
the
past
five
ten
years,
significant
changes
in
state
taxes
with
the
how
commercial
it's
treated
that
used
to
be
taxed
at
100.
It
went
down
to
90
and
multi-res
has
slowly
shifted
down
to
that
residential
level
of
about
55.
E
So
we
do
have
existing
backfills
and
a
new
backfill
from
the
state
for
the
business
property
tax
credit
which
basically
taxes
the
first
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
of
a
business
at
the
residential
rate,
there's
no
more
application
process.
So
every
every
business
owner
gets
that
or
industrial
owner
gets
that.
So
the
rollback
we
also
are
seeing
losses
from
that
rising
cost
of
services
that
was
reflected
in
in
the
presentation
of
inflation,
increased
Personnel
costs
and
construction,
and
we
did
lists
several
pending
pieces
of
legislation
and
Scott
alluded
to.
E
None
of
these
have
have
been
passed
yet,
but
they're,
some
of
them
are
advancing,
so
we're
monitoring
those
closely
and
then
our
ate
Revenue,
which
we're
using
to
pay
for
The,
Debt
Service
on
the
public
safety
radio
system
and
an
outdoor
warning
system
replacement,
which
Nick
will
cover
in
the
CIP
piece.
So
we
are
reliant
on
those
those
ate
revenues
to
fund
our
Public
Safety
operations.
G
H
H
We
do
have
181
projects
in
total
in
in
that
CIP
plan,
when
you're
looking
at
the
five
years
of
23
is
amended
24
through
27
in
that
in
that
Five-Year
Plan
and
a
lot
of
the
sides
that
we
have
here,
we
will
reference
to
the
the
specifics
of
the
details,
for
the
projects
would
be
best
to
look
at
that
in
the
actual
book
itself.
In
general
terms,
we
can
talk
about
the
projects
themselves,
but
those
project
description
sheets
serve
as
a
great
detail
for
each
one
of
the
projects.
H
So
what
we
need
to
be
looking
at
is
trying
to
get
to
a
limiting
to
limit
our
general
obligation,
Bond
issuance
in
using
other
sources,
if
possible.
The
reason
why
we
have
to
kind
of
look
towards
that
is:
we
need
to
be
gearing
our
General
obligation
down
to
a
a
component
that
keeps
our
rate
at
a
lower
at
our
anticipated
levels,
to
be
able
to
cover
that
principle
and
interest
over
the
course
of
the
20
years
that
we
issue
the
debt.
H
We
have
to
be
very
strategic
about.
Adding
new
projects
is
that
the
rising
rates
and
the
market
uncertainty
for
the
interest
rate
cost,
in
effect,
how
much
we
can
actually
borrow
for,
as
well
as
the
inflation
of
costs.
We
have
to
kind
of
pay
attention
to
as
cost
increase,
as
well
as
the
borrowing
increase,
the
interest
rate
costs
for
the
borrowing
comes
at
a
higher
level.
We
can
we
have
to
keep
that
down
as
much
as
we
can.
So
we
have
to
minimize
what
we
can
go
with
bonded
issue.
H
Foreign,
as
you
see
in
most
CIP
plans
that
we
do
every
year,
there
is
a
carryover,
a
significant
carryover
from
fiscal
year,
20
2
to
23.
the
fiscal
year
ends
at
June
30th.
So
that's
in
the
middle
of
the
construction
season,
so
you
always
kind
of
see
that
in
any
in
any
CIP
plan
that
we
put
together,
we
did
show
so
we
wouldn't
throw
off.
The
amended
is
already
kind
of
got
that
carryover
balance
and
costs.
H
Right
now,
as
we
sit
for
our
debt
service
Levy
with
this
plan,
given
our
kind
of
conservative
approach
on
what
we
think
the
growth
will
be
for
our
valuations,
we
did
are
actually
forecasting
some
growths
in
the
in
the
following
years.
It
does
right
now
show
a
potential
need
for
five
cent
increases
in
26
and
27.
H
H
A
G
H
A
C
No
I
think
I
do
I,
think
I'll
have
Pam
or
engineering
come
forward.
We
we
are
phasing
it.
You
may
recall
that
we're
going
to
get
the
construction
from
East
30th
to
East
36th
right
and
then
take
it
South
down
to
Vandalia
so
that
those
properties
have
enough,
including
Dart,
is
interested
in
some
property
over
there.
So
we
have
split
the
project
into
something
smaller
that
would
be
left
for
the
grant
to
seek
I'll
let
Pam
fill
in
the.
L
Gaps
command,
Council,
Pam,
Cooks,
the
assistant
city
manager,
as
Scott
was
describing.
We
are
phasing
the
Project
based
on
the
available
funds
we
have
from
the
mpo,
we
have
an
allocation
of
11.284
million,
and
then
we
have
City
funds
available
to
fund
from
Southeast
30th
to
Southeast
36th.
That
gets
us
to
darts
identified
area
for
their
potential
facility
also
makes
the
improvements
on
Southeast
30th.
L
L
L
L
This
is
the
third
year
we'll
be
applying
for
the
raise
Grant
last
year.
They
changed
the
scoring
criteria,
so
we
did
not
rate
as
higher
as
high
as
we
had
previously
so
we've
revamped
the
application
to
based
on
the
input
we
got
from
dot
to
better,
follow
that
Merit
criteria
and
the
scoring
criteria
and.
A
F
H
H
A
H
That
might
not
present
well,
because
you'll
have
Geo
Bonds
in
all
of
them,
and
you'll
have
too
yeah
Tiff
and
right.
It
it'll
go
in
it's
a
little
bit
too
too
much
to
do
that.
We
we
do
break
in
in
the
in
the
following
slides.
We
do
have
some
detail
on
the
two
largest
funding
sources
and
how
it
breaks
up
between
the
bridges,
fire
and
different
okay.
C
H
C
H
H
H
K
H
As
you
can
see,
we
did
put
arpa
like
I,
said
before
all
in
with
the
23
funds
and
then,
as
we
kind
of
look
at
the
different
breakouts,
that
the
25
is
where
you
see
that
the
southeast
connector
larger
number
at
that
36
is
the
biggest
component
of
that
is
that
Southeast
connector,
the
stars
on
the
general
obligation
and
other
and
then
the
the
tax
equipment
financing.
Those
are
our
two
largest
funding
sources
for
the
tax,
supported
and
so
we'll
kind
of
get
into
the
details
of
those
specifically.
H
H
A
H
Was
gonna
say,
prior
to
this
historical
investment
in
our
our
geo-backed
projects,
we
used
to
be
at
20
to
25
million
a
year
okay,
so
we
are
still
significantly
higher.
We
need
to
be
getting
like
that
28,
roughly
in
that
fiscal
year,
28
down
to
that
35
for
geo
Bots.
We
do
to
maintain
the
rate
to
maintain
what
the
rates
that
we're
projecting.
F
H
F
H
We're
front
loading,
some
of
it
we
front
load.
We
were
able
to
front
load
a
lot
of
our
projects
based
off
of
the
asset,
what
we
refer
to
as
an
asset
match.
So
every
time
we
go
to
issue
a
bond,
we
look
at
each
project
and
say:
okay,
the
assets
that
are
coming
out
of
this.
How
long
do
we
get
out
of
them?.
F
So
when
do
we
start
having
room
because
I
think
that
when
we
were
talking
about
I,
don't
know
if
this
was
a
year
ago
or
six
months
ago?
At
this
point,
when
we
were
talking
about
sort
of
like
that
bubble
like
this,
that
we're
showing
right
here,
it
was
starting
to
go
down
around
27
28..
So
did
we
start
having
room
in
28.
H
I
would
say
we
within
our
projection.
We
do
show
a
assumed
debt
issuance
of
35
from
fiscal
year
28
on
okay,
and
then
it
takes
till
about
I
want
to
say
29
or
30
is
where
you'll
start
seeing
the
the
cost
go
down.
If
I,
once
we
get
to
a
slide,
that
shows
what
the
local
option
is
covering.
That's
when
it'll
actually
show
where
it's
going
to
start
going
closer
to
where
our
rate
actually
is.
Okay,.
G
H
Then
operations
too
yeah
Vehicles
yep
because
as
electric
vehicles
come
into
play,
there's
less
fees
that
come
off
of
the
the
fuel
sales.
There
are
some
on
the
registration
to
try
and
correct
that,
as
well
as
discussion,
I
think
on
electric
charges
to
go
into
the
road
use,
but
as
of
right
now,
we
we
try
to
be
conservative.
I,
don't
want
to
come
out
of
the
left
field,
saying
we
need
to
against
the
tax
rate.
Okay,.
H
G
H
H
A
A
H
Those
will
change
that,
but
you'll
also
have
the
increase
expense
to
match.
Usually
at
that
point.
So
if
you
look
at
the
first
couple,
Pages
where
it
says
the
funding
sources
by
project,
it
then
will
say
State
and
it'll
list
all
of
the
projects
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
which
projects
are
specific
to
that
state.
C
H
H
This
also
includes
another
category
which
deals
with
the
1200
locusts
that
we're
still
working
with
legal
to
determine
what
is
the
appropriate
funding
mechanism.
So
we
did
include
it
included
in
the
Geo,
but
that's
not
going
to
be
where
that
ends
up,
depending
on
the
conversation
that
we
have
with
a
legal
and
our
bond
Council
and
Municipal
advisor.
H
H
H
H
So,
to
get
back
down
to
what
the
tax
rate
would
be,
I
don't
think
we
ever
will
because
of
the
local
option
is
anticipated
for
that
that
50
property
tax
relief.
So
there
will
always
be
that
great.
But
the
peak
of
that
gray,
bar
I,
think
the
very
next
line
very
next
year
was
anticipated
to
be
six
dollars
and
five
cents
and
then
six
dollars
and
25
cents,
and
then
it
goes
down
to
like
six
dollars
and
ten
cents
so
that
it
takes
another
two
years
for
it
to
Peak.
Okay,.
H
This
first
part
is
about
10
million
dollars
and
that
kind
of
spreads
across
kind
of
our
RIT
work.
Fire,
Equipment,
NDC,
NFC
contributions,
Library
Citywide,
Bridge
repair
and
then,
as
we
go
into
building
projects
for
ongoing,
we
do
have
building
improvements
that
kind
of
as
needed
across
buildings
across
across
the
city
facilities,
as
well
as
re-roofing,
energy
conservation
and
security
improvements.
G
D
H
C
C
H
As
we
look
at
the
ongoing
Parks
projects,
we
do
have
quite
a
few
annual
allocations
between
Cemetery
improvements,
building
improvements,
Park
improvements,
infrastructure,
sport,
complex
spraygrounds,
we
basically
so
they
kind
of
break
up
a
lot
of
the
different
categories
within
the
park
system
to
be
able
to
then
figure
out
which
parks
would
then
fall.
Within
These
these
ongoing
projects.
C
Oh
I
would
say
kind
of
right,
and
so
my
understanding
and
we
can
have
as
part
of
this
bringing
back
the
public
art
and
some
of
these
other
topics.
In
a
workshop,
we
can
have
Ben
talk
through
his
participation
in
a
committee
that
was
established
that
had
the
school
district,
the
city
and
other
sports
facility,
property
managers
and
owners
that
came
together
to
talk
about
where
gymnasiums
are
located
across
our
city
and
what
availability
there
were
pools
were
part
of
that
conversation
as
well.
C
So
we
can
get
input
from
from
Ben
on
on
how
those
conversations
went.
There
were
I,
guess
it'd
be
about
10
years
ago
now
there
was
a
study
on
just
pools.
What
that
a
consultant
did,
and
so
we
could
bring
that
back
as
a
discussion
as
well
just
to
see
if
that
needs
to
be
refreshed,
but
that
was
looking
at
just
the
city's
pool
assets
and
recommendations
that
came
out
of
that
study
from
about
10
years
ago.
So.
A
H
Going
from
the
ongoing,
the
other
thing
we
wanted
to
kind
of
talk
about
is
highlight
some
of
the
more
significant
projects,
the
non-on-going,
so
that
you
can
kind
of
see
which
ones
out
of
each
of
the
categories
is
kind
of
significant
ones.
To
look
at
from
Bridges
we
have
Walnut
Street
Bridge,
which
additional
funds
will
be
needed
to
actually
to
do
that.
This
was
originally
just
the
amount
to
do
just
minor
just
to
repair
it
versus
a
full
rehab
rehabilitation,
so
that
might
need
another
9
million
I.
Think
yeah.
G
C
C
Right,
yep
and-
and
that's
all
part
of
the
engineering
study
that
that
came
back
and
said-
we'd
actually
be
better
to
just
replace
the
bridge,
okay
and
but
then
best
estimate
right
now
is
that
would
add.
9
million
to
that
figure.
So,
and
we
delayed
the
project
for
one
year
to
to
work
through
that
and
I've
gotten
some
input,
but
haven't
made
it
all
the
way
through
the
council
to
got
to
make
that
adjustment
to
a
brand
new
bridge.
But.
C
H
The
municipal
building
is
the
largest
one
on
there
is
that
City
facility
and
army
replacement,
so
that
includes
both
the
purchasing
and
the
some
Renovations
as
well
within
that
for
anticipation
of
the
OPN
and
the
due
diligence
that
we
have.
This
allows
us
to
at
least
have
something
in
place.
If
we
move
forward
with
that
project,.
K
G
H
H
40
million
for
alterations
alterations
that
much
for
phase
one
I,
a
phase
two
would
have
to
be
discussed
with
if,
if
the
OPN
and
the
due
diligence
of,
if
that
makes
sense,
we'd
have
to
figure
out
how
that
would
work
for
a
full,
full
renovation
or
just
in
splitting
it
up
in
between
phases.
But
this
allows
at
least
40
million
in
alterations
and.
A
H
B
Other
question
on
that
water
Trails
it
it
looked
to
me
not
that
this
5
million
covers
it,
but
obviously
all
the
contributions
they're
moving
ahead
with
Scott
Street.
It
looks
like
they're
going
to
remove
like
a
hundred
trees
down
there,
including
cottonwoods
and
whatever
that
seem
to
be
nesting
in
the
home
for
all
the
eagles
that
are
up
and
down
here.
L
Good
morning,
mayor
and
Council
water,
Trails
they're
removing
about
150
trees
in
at
Scott
Avenue,
it's
over
three
acres.
It's
within
a
certain
limit
needed
to
instruct
the
project.
It's
within
the
regulations
of
DNR
improved
through
the
Federal
Highway
and
the
environmental
document.
The
habitat
for
the
Indiana
bats
are
in
the
tree.
So
we
have
to
remove
those
trees
before
the
end
of
March,
the
Eagles.
It's
not
nesting
Eagle,
sights
that
are
being
disturbed,
Eagles
will
probably
be
disturbed.
Other
birds
will
probably
be
disturbed.
L
F
B
A
F
F
H
Allocation,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
all
funds,
but
but
again
you
have
to
realize
that
there
should
be
a
significant
Dollar
in
23.
That
is
a
carryover
that,
until
the
projects
are
done,
would
continue
to
carry
over
the
total
amount.
Still
is
there
it's
just
the
way
we
were
showing.
This
is
the
24th
through
27.23.
G
F
Oh
so
we
allocated
n23
and
if
it
doesn't
get
spent,
23
gets
carried
over
and
so
it's
the
same
amount.
Okay,
can
you
talk
about
Central
Place
Levy
Trail?
Is
that
4.1
million,
including
the
roadway
improvements
on
Hickman,
because
I,
the
the
from
sixth
to
prospects,
was
already
funded,
but
is
that
in
central
place
Liberty
trail?
It's
because
it
wouldn't
be
listed
in
roads.
It
would
be
listed
in
Parks.
Then.
C
G
D
C
F
C
H
As
you
can
see,
we've
got
East
Armory,
Army,
Post,
Eastern,
University,
Glendale,
Abbey
restoration,
and
then
we
also
have
these
four
projects
that
have
planning
funds
at
the
tail
end
of
the
CIP
plan.
So
we
would
have
to
in
subsequent
years
try
to
fit
in
those
those
costs
of
construction
in
in
later
cips,
and
then
also
add,
is
the
Outdoor
siren
warning
siren
system
replacement.
That
I
think
has
been
around
for
over
three
decades.
A
H
A
A
A
A
Be
able
to
do
that
in
23,
then
that
work
is
that
that
is
important,
that
we
able
to
do
some
of
that
that
this
in
23
we
would
do
the
design
of
that
work
so
that
work
would
probably
start
construction
in
24.
so
and
then
that's
where
the
but
there's
no
planning
the
construction.
You
have
700
000
in
there.
So
when
is
the
study
mixed
into
that
23
funding,
it
is,
it
looks
like
the
sheet
has
been
merged
with
two
projects.
So
it's
it's
this.
A
The
study
is
about
a
couple
hundred
thousand
that
would
be
take
place
in
fiscal
year
24
and
then
at
the
same
time
they
would
start
construction
of
that
other
project,
which
is
the
Thomas
Beck
sidewalks
Bancroft
Road,
crosswalk
and
improvements,
so
that
would
be
July
1st
we're
going
to
start.
Some
of
that
are
we
going
to
start
it
in
the
spring
of
that
crosswalk
and
in
the
sidewalk
on
on
that
I.
Don't
know,
I
mean
because
I
mean
you've
got
some
money
in
this
budget,
23
and
24.
A
A
L
A
B
A
Talking
two
million
dollars
to
get
on
Thomas
Beck
Road
down
in
a
put
in
a
crossbow.
It's
my
understanding
is
it's
actually
to.
We
would
actually
be
reducing
the
number
of
lanes
of
Thomas
back
so
be
moving
curbs
to
fit
the
sidewalks
in
from
Southwest
seventh
down
to
Southwest,
ninth
and
then
then
do
the
improvements
at
Bancroft.
So
that's
already,
it's
already
three.
A
A
Yeah
and
then
we're
not
even
we're
not
even
tackling
the
problem
where
we've
had
multiple
accidents
and
people
have
died
and
the
rest
of
the
street
needs
reconstructed
because
it's
massive
potholes
all
throughout
the
the
entire
corridor
I
mean
the
street
needs
reconstructed
and
there's
nothing.
I
mean
we
can
continue
the
conversation,
but
there's
nothing
in
here
when
I
see
other
projects
on
here
that
we
have
no
funding.
I
mean
you
can't
just
keep
leaving
one
part
of
the
city
behind
and
sometimes
I
feel
like
that.
We
do
that
and
I
mean
I.
A
I
know
it's
not
your.
It's
not
I'm,
not
blaming
anybody,
but
it
just
seems
like
that.
We're
we're
shutting
the
door
on
one.
You
know
one
of
the
busiest
corridors.
It
says
it
right
here
that
has
the
highest
Injury
Network
corridor
and
I
mean
that's
we're
not
addressing
that,
and
it's
not
like
it's
something
new
that
we've
talked
about.
I
mean
these
accidents
have
occurred
over
the
last
five
years,
pretty
regularly
each
year
where
people
have
gotten
injured
or
killed,
and
I
I
mean
you
and
I
can
have
a
a
longer
discussion
about
it.
A
A
G
A
F
No
yeah,
what
I'm
saying
is
it's
not
being
it's
not
being
spread
out
evenly
and
I?
Don't
think
it's
being
spread
out
by
need
either
and
I've
been
asking
for
a
breakdown
of
that
of
to
see
like
where
is
the
highest
need
and
are
we
spending
the
money
there
I?
Don't
think
it's
getting
broken
down
that
way
like
why?
Why
are
Ward,
2
and
word
four
getting
11
and
18
when
you
guys
have
some
of
the
roads
that
need
the
most
work.
A
Now
we
reconstructed
all
these
all
these
Bridges,
and
that
was
you
know
millions
of
millions
and
millions
of
dollars,
but
that's
not
Corridor
infrastructure
improvements
that
that
really
our
neighborhoods
need
and
to
strengthen
our
neighborhoods
and-
and
so
that's
you
know
we're
not
going
to
solve
anything
today
with
it
I
just
we
need
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
and
and
that
study
needs
to
I
mean
that
study
needs
to
get
going.
Whether
we
need
to
find
I
mean
I,
175
000
for
a
study
is
that
is
that
what
we're
going
to
pay
somebody?
A
It's
actually
two
two
hundred
thousand
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
study,
and
we
don't
have
the
capacity
in
the
in
the
wherewithal
with
your
staff
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
we
have
to.
We
have
to
do
it,
have
a
consultant.
Do
that!
That's
correct
yeah
and
that's
not
going
to
be
done
until
it's
not
going
to
be
completed
until
when,
until
probably
mid
mid
to
late
2024..
A
So
the
counter,
that's
not
exactly
because
we
don't.
We
don't
have
any
money
to
start
it
until
July
1.
yeah,
but
it
was
supposed
to
be
started.
Last
year
we
we
had
submitted
a
budget
request
to
try
to
start
it
last
year,
but
my
understanding
and
I
deferred
it
I
can't
imagine
there
wasn't
funding
so
it
got
pushed
it
got
put
in
this
year.
So
but
yeah,
the
budget
request
was
submitted.
K
Yeah,
it's
obvious
just
from
the
accidents
and
stuff,
so
I
appreciate
the
official
study,
but
I
think
we
all
have
dollars
or
how
you
want
allocated
dollars.
Everybody
has
their
project,
they
want
so
I
think
if
there's
other
reconfigurations
to
move
things
and
reallocate,
then
if
that's
a
priority,
then
that's
something
we'll
have
to
look
at,
but
it's
probably
at
the
expense
of
something.
Maybe
else
so.
A
K
F
Is
the
need
and
I've
heard
from
Public
Works
that
we
we
are
no
longer,
you
know
allocating
things
to
get
25
in
each
Ward.
That's
absolutely
fine,
but
I
haven't
seen
that
we're
allocating
it
by
need
either
and,
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
a
breakdown
of
you,
know,
road
miles
and
and
the
need
for
reconstruction
or
or
you
know,
and
how
we're
spending
that
money.
That
is
City
money,
not
the
specific
grant
money
and
all
those
things
like
that.
A
Can
bring
that
back?
You
know
I
think
another
and
we're
we're
making
the
improvements
with
the
help
of
the
state.
It's
East
14th
of
Murray
I
mean
that's
another
high
yeah
accident.
It
was
one
of
the
highest
in
the
state
right,
absolutely
it
is,
and
luckily
the
state's
going
to
participate,
but
I
bet
this.
This
part
of
this
Corridor
on
Southwest
9th
is
right
up
there
with
it
with
the
the
fatalities
that
we've
had
and
so
I
just
together.
H
The
last
slide
I
have
here
is
to
in
order
to
maintain
or
avoid
future
rate
increases
to
The
Debt
Service
tax
levy
and
bond
rating
issues.
We
wouldn't
need
to
be
in
we.
It
shows
that
decrease
down
to
the
39
and
26
27,
and
then
it
would
need
to
be
going
down
to
that
35
of
a
target
for
geo
bonds,
specifically
in
that
25
28,
and
on
to
avoid
even
beyond
what
we're
currently
showing
as
possible
rate
increases
needed
just
for
The,
Debt,
Service
side,
foreign.
F
C
So
mayor
and
Council
I
I've
taken
notes
on
what
to
bring
back
in
a
workshop
setting
that
includes
the
allocation
breakdown.
I'll
call
that,
with
with
Street
projects
and
others,
the
public
art
discussion
the
later
on
the
food
security
a
few
months
out,
so
that
that
would
not
occur
in
the
next
couple
weeks.
C
What
else
am
I
looking
at
here?
I
think
that
kind
of
covers
it
and
then
some
thoughts
on
on
how
we
would
adjust
Southwest,
nine
so
add
to
that
list.
If
you
wish.
Personally,
let
me
you
know,
give
me
a
call
on
on
other
things
that
you
identify
what
you
hear
from
the
public,
obviously
bring
to
me
and
we'll
set
it
we'll
set
a
date.
You've
worked
through
this
rather
quickly
and
efficiently.
Thank
you,
Nick
and
Joe
again
this
morning.