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From YouTube: 2-20-23 City Council
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Des Moines City Council regular meeting on Monday, February 20, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
D
A
Moved
and
seconded
we
need
a
can.
We
do
a
voice
board,
say
aye,
aye
aye,
any
opposition
hearing.
None
takes
us
to
item
three
item.
Three
is
authorizing
the
Des
Moines
Municipal
housing
agency,
submission
of
a
section
32
home
ownership
program
plan
to
the
U.S
Department
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development
HUD
for
approval
and
authorizing
actions
necessary
to
secure
HUD
approval
and
implementation
of
the
program
board.
Communication
number
23-083.
F
A
C
A
A
quickly
before
the
hearing
items.
Tonight
again
those
are
items
45
to
54.
This
evening
we
have
one
conveyance
of
an
easement
four
zoning
hearings
and
one
hearing
establishing
a
total
maximum
property
tax
levy.
Three
public
Improvement
hearings
and
one
hearing
to
reject
all
bids
and
close
the
hearing
as
a
reminder
for
the
zoning
items
only
which
are
40
6
to
49.
We
will
hear
from
the
parties
in
interest
first
and
then
from
the
General
Public.
A
The
parties
in
interest
for
the
zoning
items
include
only
the
applicant
for
rezoning
or
those
persons
living
with
that
250
feet
of
the
property
to
be
rezoned,
to
whom
the
city
has
sent
notices.
After
all,
the
parties
in
interest
have
con
communicated
and
connected.
We
will
open
it
up
for
the
members
of
the
public
to
make
Jermaine
comments
and
to
add
in
recognizing
the
parties
of
Interest
who
may
speak
on.
A
The
zoning
items
will
ask
everyone
else
not
to
step
to
the
microphone
unless
they
are
that
zoning
applicant
or
they
live
within
that
250
feet
and
receive
that
notice.
Anyone
else
who
approaches
the
mic
before
that
time
will
be
compared,
and
if
you
are
not
on
that
list,
as
mentioned,
we,
you
will
be
considered
disruptive
and
will
not
be
recognized
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
and
will
be
required
to
leave
the
building.
A
So
please
until
I
call
on
the
general
public
for
the
zoning
items,
for
you
will
not
be
called
on
for
the
remainder
of
this
meeting
and
will
be
incredibly
leave.
The
building.
After
all,
the
parties
and
interests
have
been
called.
The
general
public
will
be
called
for
Germaine
comments
again
not
to
exceed
one
minute
per
person
to
a
maximum
of
seven
minutes,
unless
the
hearing
has
ended
sooner
either.
For
failure
to
make
the
germane
comments
or
the
public
comments
of
have
ended
for
item
50.
A
The
hearing
on
the
maximum
property
tax
levy,
any
interested
party
may
make
Jermaine
comments
for
one
minute
and
with
and
we'll
see
how
many
individuals
may
want
to
speak
on
that.
For
the
other
hearings
this
evening,
any
interested
person
may
make
Jermaine
comments
and
not
to
exceed
one
minute
to
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
per
hearing,
unless
the
hearing
is
ended
sooner
for
a
failure
to
make
those
germane
comments.
A
As
a
reminder
on
the
public,
Improvement
hearing
only
comments
as
to
the
plans,
the
specifications
form
of
document,
the
engineer's
assessment
and
the
low
bidder
will
designation
will
be
considered
germane.
All
their
comments
will
be
centered
considered
non-germaine.
So
with
that,
let's
move
to
our
first
hearing
item
item
45
item
45
is
on
a
conveyance
of
an
easement
for
a
fiber
optic
line
in
a
portion
of
Greenwood
Park
to
Mediacom
communication
Corporation
for
thirteen
thousand
one
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
any
comments,
Council
seeing
none.
A
46.,
it's
on
a
request
from
2513
Woodland
LLC
Steve,
Wilkie
Shapiro
is
the
officer
to
amend
playing
DSM
creaming
our
tomorrow
plan
to
revise
the
future
land
use
classification
of
2513
Woodland
Avenue
from
low
density
residential
to
Neighborhood
mixed
use
and
to
rezone
the
property
from
N5
neighborhood
District
to
limited
RX1
mixed
use
District
to
allow
the
renovation
of
the
existed
existing
building
for
an
office
use
as
the
first
consideration.
The
Ordnance
above
B
is
a
final
consideration.
A
A
Item
47
is
on
a
request
from
Langworthy
Enterprises
13
LLC
Daniel
F
Langworthy
is
the
officer
to
amend
the
plan
DSM
creating
our
tomorrow
plan
to
reveal
advise
the
future
land
use
classification
from
low
medium
density,
residential
to
high
density,
residential
and
rezone
1327
13th
Street
from
N5
neighborhood
District
to
limited
nx2
mixed
use
District
to
allow
the
use
of
the
property
for
multi-household
use
with
up
to
six
dwelling
units.
A
is
the
first
consideration
in
the
ordinance
above
and
B
is
the
final
consideration.
A
E
A
All
right
item
48
is
going
to
request
from
LDS
Enterprises
LLC
Larry
D
Sprague
is
the
officer
to
rezone
4415
Hubble
Avenue
from
MX3
mixed
use,
District
to
a
limited
CX
mixed
use,
District
to
allow
the
use
of
the
property
for
an
auto
body.
Painting
a
is
the
first
consideration.
The
ordinance
above
B
is
the
final
consideration.
A
H
A
H
J
J
J
J
It
a
close
enough.
It
was
like
seven
months
ago
because
I
don't
want
to
pay
a
rent
for
another
five
years,
because
the
landlord
require
me
another
five
years
renting
and
then
finally
find
this
place
after
too
many
years,
and
then
I
just
want
to
work
legally
over
there
chain.
The
Sony
place
to
allow
me
to
put
my
paint
wood.
J
E
I
J
H
J
J
J
H
J
H
J
J
J
J
F
E
J
J
J
H
H
I'm
I'm
sure
you'll
do
a
good
job.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
it's
right
for
the
neighborhood,
so
I
I.
Are
you
okay?
If
I
go
ahead
and
and
pass
the
first
consideration,
but
I'd
really
like
to
maybe
go
on
site
and
see
it
and
talk
about
what
you're
going
to
do
because
I
think
the
the
plan
and
Zoning
said
no
outside
storage
at
all.
Can.
F
We
get
clarification
on
that
because
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
the
second
sort
of
stipulation
here:
it's
because
it's
prohibition
of
outdoor
storage
and
then
prohibition
of
parking
or
pavement
for
vehicular
access
within
the
rear
yard.
But
it
also
says
overhead
doors
from
the
building
that
provide
access
to
the
rear
yard,
so
I'm
confused
about.
If
you
can
park
cars
there
for
like
a
short
period
of
time
in
the
rear
yard,.
A
Paid
okay,
so
I
think
what
she
wants
to
do
is
sure
yeah
have
a
motion
to
pay,
pass
it,
but
the
first
reading
and
just
go
through
the
details
so
that
she
can
get
a
good
feel
for
what's
going
on,
because
what
she's
reading
that
came
from
pnz
sounds
a
little
different
from
what
you're
saying,
but
maybe
when
she's
on
site
you
and
she
can
work
that
out
and
would
just
require
another
reading,
correct
it.
Next
Cuts.
L
Just
there
were
the
two
conditions,
so
the
only
uses
allowed
are
MX3
zoning
uses
which
are
allowed
today,
almost
one
additional
use,
which
is
the
painting
repair
and
there's
a
Prohibition
on
outdoor
storage,
parking
pavement
for
vehicular
access
in
the
rear
yard.
So
no
storage,
nothing,
nothing
in
the
rear
yard,
it
abuts
residential
directly
behind
it.
So
that
was
why
the
condition
was
recommended
by
the
staff.
L
F
E
J
I
K
K
L
L
H
A
G
A
Foreign
all
right
takes
us
to
49.
on
a
request
from
4820
Ingersoll
propco
LLC
John
Manfredi
is
the
officer
to
amend,
planned
DSM,
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan
to
revise
the
future
land
use
designation
of
4820
Ingersoll
Avenue
from
medium
density
residential
to
high
density
residential,
to
allow
the
Redevelopment
of
the
property
with
a
density
greater
than
17
dwelling
units
per
acre.
A
M
A
M
A
D
N
M
F
A
I
I.
Think
that's!
That's
impressive,
that
we're
able
to
do
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
and
and
keep
up
with
the
needs
of
our
city
and
the
general
fund
and
Public
Safety
and
be
able
to
still
keep
the
same
Levy
rate.
So
I
am
happy
to
move
item.
50.
I'll
be
happy
to
see
that
at
the
end
of
March,
the
budget
will,
when
it's
completed
but
I'm
happy
to
move
50.
a.
E
A
Item
51,
which
is
on
Southwest,
8th,
Street,
Viaduct,
Rehabilitation
resolution,
improving
the
plan,
specifications,
form
of
contract
documents,
Engineers
estimate,
receive
and
file
bids
and
designating
the
lowest
responsive
responsible
bidder
is
Jasper.
Construction
Services,
zinc,
Cliff
Rhodes
is
the
president
872
375
Council
Communication
number
23-079
is
the
approval
of
the
contract
and
bond
and
permission
to
sublet
again
we'll
invite
the
general
public
to
make
comments
regarding
the
plans,
the
specifications
form
of
documents,
the
engineers
assessment
and
the
designation
of
the
low
bidder.
A
Item
52
is
on
Pennsylvania
Avenue
rehabilitation
from
East
Washington
to
East
Jefferson.
The
resolution
improving
plans,
specifications
form
of
contract
documents,
the
engineers
assessment
receive
and
file
bids
in
designating
the
lowest
responsive
responsible
bidder
is
MPS,
Engineers
PC
doing
business
as
Kingston
Services
PC
Umesh,
G
chete,
president
304.
A
H
I
am
happy
to
move
item
52
and
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
City
staff
because
we
met
there
about
a
year
ago.
This
was
actually
going
to
be
done
when
they
started
on
yeast
University
and
came
came
North
and
the
neighbors
were
really
concerned
about
having
a
a
10-foot
trail
that
was
so
close
to
their
front
yards
and
that
that
part
of
the
roadway
right
there
curves
and
there
have
been
multiple
accidents
and
it's
not
been
very
safe
and
Steve
neighbor
and
several
other
City
staff
met
on
site.
H
It
was
a
cold
winter
day,
but
they
listened
to
what
the
neighbors
had
to
say
about
it
and
they've
come
up
with
a
wonderful
plan
so
that
road
will
get
some
narrowing
for
safety
and
we'll
still
be
able
to
do
the
10
foot
wide
Trail
because
we're
taking
part
of
the
street.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
I
move
item
52
and
52a.
A
Item
53
so
on
the
East
4th
Street
Reconstruction
from
East
Mo,
King,
Jr,
Parkway
to
East
Market,
Street
resolution,
improving
plan,
specifications,
form
of
contract
documents,
engineer,
assessment
receive
and
file
bids
and
designate
the
lowest
responsive
responsible
bidder
is
Absolute,
Concrete,
Construction,
Inc
doing
business's
absolute
group.
Sunny
Hall
is
the
president
four
million
969
142.50
Council
Communication
number
23-082
is
approval
of
the
contract
and
bond
and
permission
to
sublet
and
again
we'll
quickly.
Ask
any
public
comment
regarding
the
plans,
the
specifications,
the
form
of
the
documents,
the
engineers
assessment
or
the
low
bidder
designation.
I
N
A
A
All
right
that
completes
the
hearings
and
we're
going
to
go
back
quickly
to
item
number
seven
for
council
member
Shoemaker,
who
wants
to
speak
on
that
item
item
seven
is
approving
and
authorizing
the
application
for
the
U.S
Department
of
Transportation
dot,
rebuilding
American
infrastructure,
with
sustainability
and
equity,
the
raise
discretionary
grant
for
the
southeast
connector
project
between
Southeast
30th,
Street
and
U.S
Highway
65..
This
is
one
we've
been
working
on
for
a
long
time.
Council
Communication
number
23-095,
councilmember,
Shoemaker,.
F
So
I
was
requested
to
pull
this
from
the
consent
agenda
by
a
couple
of
constituents
who
had
concerns
about
this
project,
specifically
making
it
faster
and
easier
for
car
commuters
from
Pleasant
Hill,
Carlisle
and
Southeast
Polk
County
getting
in
and
out
of
Des
Moines
by
driving.
They
talked
about
our
goals
as
our
energy
goals
wanting
to
reduce
car
traffic
and
it's
not
being
a
step
towards
that.
They
talked
about
the
total
construction
cost
being
143
percent
of
dart's
entire
budget
and
equal
to
Portland
Oregon's
spending
on
two
years
of
bike
infrastructure.
F
There
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
this
is
just
for
like
a
one
portion
of
the
road
and
that
all
the
earlier
portions
of
the
road
we
are
paying
for,
and
so
it
would
be
cons.
It
would
be
constructed
through
Southeast
36th
Street
without
the
mpo
money,
whereas
this
would
connect
it
all
the
way
to
the
highway.
The
raise
Grant
would
would
finish
through
the
highway.
F
Essentially,
this
has
just
been
a
very
contentious
item.
I
did
want
to
sort
of
list.
Some
of
the
some
of
the
notes
we
got
from
staff
was
that
this
would
prevent
University
Avenue
from
expanding
to
five
Lanes
and
it
helps
keep
or
it
helps
with
the
increase
in
truck
traffic.
That's
going
to
come
from
the
transload
facility
and
the
hard
time
of
personal
vehicles
and
trucks
have
focusing
on
Vandalia
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
to
pull
this
for
discussion,
because
it
is
a
large
amount
of
money.
F
O
Yeah
I
I
think
those
are
accurate
with
one
one
exception:
there
is
Federal
funding
on
everything
the
west
of
East
30th
as
well,
okay,
so
this
has
been
a
project
that
has
has
gone
on
for
decades,
literally
with
with
a
mix
of
local
and
federal.
But
you
are
correct.
The
next
phase
is
from
East
30th
to
East
36th.
That
will
be
a
mix
as
well
of
stbg
funds,
which
is
federal
funds
and
City
tip
funds
as
well.
O
One
of
the
talking
points
that
you
mentioned
was
the
effect
on
University
Avenue,
East
University.
This
would
take
pressure
and
traffic
off
of
of
university
for
sure,
but
I
don't
know
that
it
will
actually
eliminate
the
need
to
still
make
changes
to
East
University.
So
it'll
be
nice
to
get
this
constructed
to
see
what
situation
we
still
have
left
on
East
University
for
adjustments.
Does
that
make
sense.
O
I
I've
had
multiple
requests
to
to
at
least
widen
the
lanes
there,
because
it's
so
tight,
not
necessarily
make
it
five
Lanes,
but
the
lanes
are,
but
we
would
have
to
work
with
the
Iowa
DOT,
and
this
also
would
alleviate
I,
don't
know
if
you've
driven
down
Vandalia,
where
much
of
the
truck
traffic
is
goes
and
the
road
we
did
a
somewhat
of
a
resurfacing
I'll
say
about
storm
water
four
four
years
ago,
and
it's
still
it's
it's.
That
road
has
some
issues
so
I
mean
that's
I
I
would
say
this
project.
I
K
I
People
to
come
into
our
city
also-
and
so
you
know-
I
mean
I
I-
understand
the
need
for
we're,
not
building
four
lanes
going
out.
We're
we're
only
going
to
pay
two
lanes.
You
know
I
mean
maybe
in
the
in
in
the
future,
in
30,
30
years
or
so.
Maybe
they'll
have
to
do
something
with
four
lanes
so
we'll
have
it
ready
just
like
the
rest
of
it.
I
But
this
is
a
project
that
it
has
been
very
important
to
the
region,
especially
especially
Eastern
Polk
County,
to
get
it
completed,
connecting
it
to
the
bypass
I
mean
Pleasant.
Hills
already
did
the
improvements
around
the
bypass
and
those
are
already
complete.
So
we
just
need
to
finish
the
road,
so
I'm
hoping
everyone
would
be
supportive
of
this.
I
We're
hoping
that
the
the
raise
Grant
will
will
get
that
this
time,
I
think
it's
very
important
for
our
region
to
get
that,
along
with
the
transload
facility,
how
it's
built
and
ready
to
go,
then
that's
going
to
add
more
truck
traffic
for
the
region,
so
I'm.
If
you're
done
with
your
comments,
I'm
happy
to
move
item,
seven
I.
E
E
I
would
assume
with
all
the,
but
it
would
add
great
Economic
Development
and
if
you've
ever
driven
in
that
area
and
the
truckloads
that
are
going
down,
South
East
30th
past
the
fairgrounds,
the
university
out,
it
would
help
alleviate
that
would
help
our
roads
so
and
it's
much
safer
to
get
the
trucks
straight
to
the
interstate.
Okay,.
O
N
D
D
That
is
a
key
piece,
so
I'm
I'm
glad
we've
been
moving
forward
with
that
and
we've
been
working
with
dart
on
the
operation
and
maintenance
facility.
That's
going
to
be
critical
to
the
future
of
Transit
in
our
community
I
I
understand
the
concerns
that
folks
are
raising
with
this
and
I've
raised.
Similar
concerns.
I
express
concern
about
acquiring
right-of-way
for
four
lanes
in
the
future
and
would
not
be
I
I,
don't
think
I'll
be
around
when
we're
having
those
discussions,
but
I
I
have
concern
about
that
piece.
D
D
If
this
grant
is
not
successful,
I
don't
plan
on
supporting
a
future,
raise
Grant
I
think
it's
time.
If,
if
we
cannot
get
this
after
the
third
try,
we
should
be
focusing
those
efforts
elsewhere
and
so
I
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record
that
I
do
not
plan
on
supporting
this.
If
we
do
not
are
not
successful
in
this
in
this,
try.
F
I
think
that,
just
in
response
to
the
point
of
this
bringing
traffic
into
the
City
and
out
of
the
city,
there
was
also
a
point
in
the
comments
that
we
received
about
incentivizing,
suburban
sprawl
and
I.
Think
that
we
should
be
investing
our
money
into
Transit
options
that
are
not
just
building
new
streets
I
with
it
being
the
third
time
that
we're
applying
as
well
I
I'm
concerned
that
we
aren't
able
to
to
use
the
funding
for
or
to
apply
for
the
funding
for
something
else.
A
A
So
we're
not
just
talking
about
the
convenience
of
moving
stuff
in
and
out
and
lowering
the
cost
for
the
providers
and
the
people
that
are
getting
stuff
in
and
out
of
Iowa
by
having
it
on
rail,
rather
than
moving
everything
in
and
out
of
here
with
Motor
Freight.
We're
also
lowering
the
emissions
into
the
atmosphere
of
the
pollution
that
is
created
by
the
diesel
and
the
motor
fuels
that
are
that
are
out
there.
I
A
item.
55
is
a
donation
in
naming
agreement
for
the
Des
Moines
Northside
Community,
Recreation
Center,
approving
naming
of
Center
and
portions
of
the
center
and
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
determine
effective
date
of
such
naming
Council
Communication
number
23-096
Scott.
Do
you
want
to
make
quick
comment
here.
O
Yeah,
if
I
could
I
want
to
I
want
to
thank
our
members
of
the
community
that
are
stepping
up.
This
is
a
lengthy
list
of
supporters,
and
this
is
the
first
batch
of
several
that
will
bring
forward.
These
are
agreements
with
with
two
well-known
families
and
and
several
others
in
our
community.
This
gets
us
about
halfway
in
our
our
attempts
to
to
have
private
funding
and
we've
got
commitments
beyond
that.
Yet
so
look
forward
to
bringing
back
the
next
next
batch
as
well.
I
O
I
Awesome
I
I'll
tell
you
specifically:
we
we
do
need
to
point
out
Patty
and
Jim
County
and
I
think
I
think
without
without
their
without
their
help.
Mr
County's
help.
Some
of
these
others,
probably
wouldn't
have
fell
into
place
where
they're
at
and
so
just
a
special
thank
you
to
him
and
his
family.
He
seems
to
step
up
every
time.
I
We
we
have
a
need
and
I,
don't
know
what
the
city
would
do
without
him
and
in
his
work
that
he's
did
in
this
city
and
so
I'd
just
like
to
point
that
out
also
City
staff
and
the
parts
department
and
Ben
and
his
team
being
able
to
raise
the
money.
That's
that's
impressive
to
raise
that
amount
of
money.
So
thank
you.
I
F
Very
excited
about
these
donations
and
very
grateful
that
we've
got
private
support
for
this
project.
I
think
it's
a
really
important
project
for
the
community
and
specifically
that
these
donations
are
helping
the
community
achieve
their
vision
of
the
community
center,
because
we
are
trying
to
raise
up
to
that
18
million
to
get
everything
that
the
community
wanted
in
the
community
center
and
so
I'm
happy
that
this
gets
us
half
of
the
way
there
looking
forward
to
to
further
investment.
I.
F
But
it
is
important
to
the
community
that
this
be
specifically
for
them
and
that
it
be
seen
immediately
that
this
is
a
place
for
community
and
for
recreation
and
not
just
one
or
the
other,
and
so
I
think
I
think
it
was
determined
that
this
it
would
not
be
a
substantive
change,
and
so
it
would
not
would
not
need
re-signing
of
any
documents.
So
I
just
think
it
would
be
great
if
staff
could
reach
out
and
have
the
conversation
about
putting
an
and
in
the
name.
So.
O
F
And,
as
you
pointed
out,
Joe,
it's
a
great
thing
for
this
community
and
this
community
specifically
and
specifically
asked
for
this
throughout
the
process,
and
that
was
something
that
was
just
missed
and
that's
that's
nobody's
fault.
It's
just
something
that
I
would
like
to
bring
up
now,
since
it
would
not
change
the
legal
documents.
If
we
can
have
that
conversation
about
getting
that
and
included,
because
I
do
believe
that
it
doesn't
like
create
a
need
for
us
to
change
the
naming
Convention
of
the
other
community
centers.
E
A
I've
been
moved
in
second
and
I
will
add
to
this
discussion
that
we
had
a
lot
of
great
input
from
the
neighbors
and
everybody
around
who
really
see
the
need
and
the
importance
and
are
so
excited
about
it,
and
we're
also
so
thankful
for
their
opportunity
to
give
continued
input.
As
we
went
through
the
process
of
Lord
over
a
year,
I
think
we
met
and
met,
and
it
was
it
was
really
uplifting.
So,
thanks
to
all
the
community
for
stepping
up
as
well
and.
A
H
L
A
A
Q
Q
My
name
is
Luisa
Redondo
and
I
live
near
the
grub
YMCA
and
the
reason
that
I
came
is
because
I
coach
in
the
community
I
coach,
high
schoolers,
kids
I
also
my
kids,
learn
how
to
swim
at
the
Grove
YMCA.
So
it's
near
and
near
to
my
heart,
there
isn't
what
I
wanted
to
communicate
with.
You
guys
is
my
my
communication.
My
conversations
with
high
schoolers
80s,
so
I
helped
coach
at
East,
High,
School
and
North
High,
School,
so
I
know
a
lot
of
the
coaches.
Q
A
lot
of
the
players,
also
I'm
friends
with
the
former
pool
manager
at
the
grub
as
and
I,
also
went
to
all
the
meetings
that
we
had
over
the
last
year
concerning
the
North
Side
Community
Center,
and
my
only
request
is
that
that
you
guys
will
consider
listening
to
the
voices
of
our
youth.
I
went
to
album
and
I
did
not
see,
I.
Q
Think,
there's
only
maybe
three
people
younger
than
I,
including
one
of
you
guys
and
the
reason
I
said
that
is
we
were
building
a
straw,
a
community
center
for
our
youth
I
hope
we
can
listen
to
them
and
what
they
want.
So
because,
if
it's
all
our
ideas,
I
I
I'm
afraid
that
it's
just
gonna
be
us
at
this
community
center
instead
of
our
youth
that
we
want
them
to
to
be
there.
So
one
of
those
examples
is
is
when
I
talked
to
him
about
the
pool
and
the
in
the
gym.
Q
I
told
him
that
the
gym
is
going
to
be
smaller,
and
if
you
talk
to
to
the
YMCA
they'll
tell
you
that
the
gym
is
used
100
times
more
than
than
the
pool.
I
know
it's
closed
now,
but
I
was
there
the
last
three
years
before
covet,
but
also
at
turf
field
like
if
we're
going
to
spend
that
much
money,
I
hoping
for
you
guys
to
consider
to
to
use
a
turf
field,
because
that
would
be
packed
all
the
time
and
I'm.