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From YouTube: 06-15-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, June 15, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
B
It
is
six
o'clock,
we
will
go
ahead
and
start
the
meeting
of
the
June
15
2023
planned
zoning
Commission.
The
pilot
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plans,
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
Council
hearings.
B
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
B
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report,
unless
an
individual
present
or
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda
may
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
June
1st
2023
meeting
I'll
move.
Thank
you
all.
Those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand.
B
And
pass
thank
you
and
I
will
read
the
consent
agenda
items
request
from
Mallory
wood
and
Tyler
Fritz
for
review
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
a
type
2
design,
alternative
for
property
property
located
at
5101
Valdez
drive
to
allow
construction
of
a
second
driveway
leading
to
a
new
detached
garage
where
only
one
driveway
is
allowed.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
this
item
heard
tonight
in
the
public
hearing?
B
Yes,
okay,
we
will
take
that
off
the
consent
agenda
and
we
will
hear
that
item.
There
is
also
a
request
to
move
item
number
three
to
consent.
That
is
a
request
from
Timeless
Restorations
represented
by
Rick
stickel
for
the
following
regarding
portions
of
four
Parcels
located
at
2142,
East,
Market,
Street,
A
and
B.
Is
there
anyone
B
would
be
rezone
portions
of
four
Parcels
from
i1
to
I2?
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
hear
that
item
on
public
hearing
tonight?
B
B
C
B
D
D
D
D
D
There
is
in
the
staff
report,
there
really
is
no
reference
to
the
garage
itself.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
garage
itself
is
compliant
with
all
of
the
building
code
and
planning
and
design
code
requirements
for
detached
garage.
So
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
only
relief
that
the
applicant
is
needing
is
for
the
driveway
itself.
D
Property
itself
is
larger
than
a
standard
lot,
because
it
is
a
corner
lot.
It
does
have
about
13
000
square
feet
of
total
lot
area.
The
size
of
the
garage
is
really
based
on
the
the
rear
yard
area,
and
so
that
is
why
it
is
code
compliant
to
have
a
slightly
larger
than
standard
garage
at
this
location.
D
Yeah
moving
on
to
the
staff
report,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
staff
is
recommending
approval.
Some
of
the
rationale
behind
our
recommendation
of
approval
for
that
second
driveway
is
51st.
Street
is
just
a
local
neighborhood
street.
There
is
not
a
lot
of
traffic.
That's
carried
on
this
local
Street.
There
is
my
understanding.
There's
a
bus
stop
at
the
corner.
However,
if
this
were
on
say
a
neighborhood
collector
or
a
more
heavily
traveled
Street,
we
may
have
a
different
opinion,
but
adding
the
driveway
at
this
location.
We
didn't
feel
from
a
staff
perspective.
D
We
did
receive
a
letter
of
opposition
from
the
neighbor
to
the
north.
This
is
the
letter
that
submitted
from
David
grosslin
the
neighbor
immediately
to
the
north
4310
51st
Street.
He
is
in
attendance
tonight,
so
he
will
likely
be
speaking
here
after
me,
but
obviously
I
didn't
want
to
share
his
letter
within
my
presentation
here
and
just
point
out
a
couple
of
his
areas
of
concern.
D
D
And
then
I
believe
his
fifth
Point
here
is
just
the
garage
is
the
size
of
it
is
out
of
context
and
character
for
the
neighborhood.
But,
as
I
mentioned
from
a
review
standpoint,
the
structure
itself
is
compliant
in
terms
of
size
and
location.
It's
meeting
all
the
setbacks,
setback
requirements
for
a
detached
garage
and
then
lastly,
he
presented
a
couple
of
photos
from
the
rear
of
his
property.
D
D
D
G
H
And
I
I
think
maybe
you
got
glossed
over.
There
are
a
couple
mature
trees,
and
that
was
also
the
part
of
our
thought
as
staff
that
the
garage
as
Kyle
noted
could
be
built
by
right
and
another
solution
would
have
been
to
extend
that
that
driveway
and
that
wouldn't
require
a
review.
But
we
did
know
that
they
had
a
couple
of
mature
trees
as
well.
So
that
was
also
part
of
our
thinking.
D
I
K
My
name
is
Tyler
Fritz
I
live
at
5101
Valdez
Drive,
trying
to
get
a
second
driveway
put.
It
reasoning,
like
my
main
reason,
for
driveway
on
the
side
versus
around
where
I
currently
have
a
driveway.
It's
two
big
trees,
I
have
two
very
large
they're
oak
trees
or
no
sorry,
Maple
and
I
don't
want
to
take
them
out.
They
would
be
in
the
way
of
driveway
going
around
for
a
garage
and
I.
Just
trees
are
good,
they're,
big,
well-established
trees.
K
They
provide
lots
of
shade
for
my
surrounded,
Neighbors
myself
and
that's
the
main
reason
and
honestly,
the
drive
on
the
other
side
Works
a
little
bit
better.
For
me,
some
things
that
I've
looked
at
bus
stop
down
corner
another
drive.
There
doesn't
really
impede
with
any
of
that.
The
other
Drive
wouldn't
be
directly
across
from
a
neighbor's
driveway,
either
yeah,
it's
just
a
decent
sized
corner
lot
and
the
side
driveway
would
be
very
beneficial
to
me.
C
Am
I
right
in
memory?
This
is
a
question
for
staff.
You
can
build
the
garage,
no
matter
what
you
don't
need,
relief
for
that
and
you
could
like
keep
going
straight
and
have
the
garage
go.
The
other
way.
It's
just
that
there's
trees
in
the
way,
so
you
could
do
it
that
way.
You
just
don't
want
to
take
down
the
trees.
Okay,.
B
B
B
L
L
L
L
E
L
L
So
it
wipes
out
that
view
primarily
all
of
the
drivers
is
shorter.
I
know
they're
supposedly
separate,
but
these
are
intrinsically
involved.
I
would
I,
would
you
know
suggest
in
any
case,
let
me
quickly
get
through
other
points.
Okay,
I
feel
it's
misleading
because
it
shows
information.
You
know
the
the
proposal
that
was
relevant
only
to
Valdez
and
not
to
Merced
and
I
just
mentioned
the
facts.
The
figures
on
the
the
lengths
and
so
forth.
The
impact
is
total
blocks
off
air
when
the
leaves
blow
they
blow
toward
my
yard.
L
They
don't
go
that
way.
17
foot
fences
pretty
high
and
when
we
bought
the
house
a
major
factor
was
okay:
it's
not
a
big
lot,
but
look
at
that
view
and
what
we
were
told
by
the
Realtors
and
everyone
else
was
and
on.
We
asked
you
know.
Well,
you
know
connect.
We
lose
that
what
happens?
No!
The
code
protects
you.
The
code
would
prohibit
it
from
blocking
your
view.
L
L
M
M
M
M
One
thing
on
the
first
presentation
that
he
was
talking
about
traffic
on
the
street:
there
are
apartments
on
Tawana,
Drive
and
they're
on
51st,
Street
and
I.
Don't
know
what
it
is:
54th
Street
there's
three
four
five
times
the
traffic
than
there
is
on
Valdez
or
Merced
coming
out
of
the
apartments,
so
that
his
notion
that
it's
just
neighborhood
traffic,
there's
more
traffic
on
our
street
than
it
is
the
East
and
West
streets.
M
Another
concern
of
mine
is
flooding
the
city
down
right
by
Aurora
bought
a
house
a
few
years
ago
because
of
flooding.
How
is
that
water
gonna?
It's
not
going
to
be
able
to
soak
into
the
lawn
there
from
that
building.
That's
a
lot
of
property!
That's
going
to
be
concrete!
Where's
the
water
going
to
go.
City
already
had
to
buy,
buy
out
a
house
that
they'll
down
just
down
the
block
three
houses
down
that
you
guys
own
the
property
because
of
flooding
a
couple
years
ago.
M
That
should
be
a
concern.
Where
is
that
water
gonna
go
this
gentleman?
They
bought
the
house.
They
haven't
been
there
three
years
yet
if
they
would
have
bought
a
property
North
of
Meredith
in
the
unincorporated
area,
they
could
build
a
shed
and
do
what
they
wanted
to.
There
was
this
in
the
back
of
their
mind
when
they
bought
the
property.
M
B
K
H
K
House
park
in
the
front
driveway
again
it's
more
of
a
shelter
thing
than
anything:
I
don't
plan
on
becoming
a
car
dealer.
I
do
own
lots
of
cars.
They
are
mine.
I
do
work
on
them,
but
I
also
could
be
doing
that
in
my
garage
right
now
and
there's
not
lab
tools
through
all
hours
of
the
night
and
I
respect.
All
the
kids,
there's
kids
everywhere
in
our
neighborhood
I
have
a
10
month
old
at
home
myself
and
I
I.
Don't
want
to
impede
on
anybody
else
either
again.
K
K
B
I
H
Right,
we
only
do
the
cards
for
rezonings,
we
do.
We
just
send
a
notice
and
so
I
think
you
can
consider
his
verbal
testimony.
The
equivalent
of
the
gentleman
is
still
here
is
written
and
verbal,
so
I
would
say
that
you
know.
In
your
mind,
I
mean
we
don't
have
like
a
number
threshold.
There's
no,
like
super
majority
requirements.
Anything
this
is
just
for
you
to
understand
neighbor
perspective,
but
in
your
mind,
I
think
you
can
look
at
that
map
and
see
two
red
squares.
B
A
question
for
staff
I
guess
usually
on
type
2
design.
Alternatives.
We
hear
about
that.
I
think
it's
250
radius
of
whether
or
not
it
is
in
line
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
Is
that
something
that
came
into
this
or
not
like
say
when
we,
when
somebody
wants
a
type
2
waiver
to
wave
putting
in
a
garage,
then
it's
often
looked
at.
You
know
a
radius
around
that
property
to
see
how
many
properties
don't
have
garages.
So
is
that
something
that
would
also
come
into
play
for
this
property.
D
In
general,
we
did
look
at
the
character
of
the
housing
stock
in
the
neighborhood.
That's
kind
of
typical
of
any
review
that
we
do
similar
to
this.
It
is
kind
of
a
a
mix.
It
is
house
type
B,
so
it
is
a
mix
of
houses
with
attached
garages
and
houses
with
detached
garages.
The
only
thing
that
really
stood
out
was
the
difference
in
size
of
this
garage
is
24
by
46.
I.
D
Think
the
next
largest
garage
that
I
saw
was
like
24
by
28
within
a
you
know,
kind
of
this
General
radius
that
you
see
on
the
screen
here.
So
it's
not
out
of
character
to
have
a
detached
garage
in
the
rear
yard.
It's
just
this
one.
The
size
of
it
was
a
little
bit
larger
than
standard,
but
again
based
on
the
lot
area
that
he
has
and
the
size
of
his
rear
yard
area.
H
C
D
D
D
I
might
let
the
applicant
speak
on
that,
but
just
if
you
look
at
the
drawing
here
that
dashed
line
that
they're
showing
that
is
representative
of
that
minimum
five
foot
setback.
So
you
can
see
in
proximity
to
that
minimum
five
foot
square:
five:
foot
setback
where
the
current
proposal
has
that
garage.
J
D
D
H
H
That
yeah
I
mean
I.
Think
we'd
want
to
hear
that
you
know
impacts
to
the
application.
I
mean
the
commission
can
certainly
apply
conditions
based
off
of
a
way
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
the
driveway,
because
remember
we're
talking
about
the
driveway
and
I
think
we
had
talked
about
having
a
condition
of
you
know,
making
sure
that
the
driveway
set
and
like
it's
shown
on
this
drawing,
isn't
expanded
to
minimize
the
width
and
the
impact
of
the
driveway
itself.
H
G
D
I
understand
what
you're
saying
from
my
estimation,
it
I
believe
that
that
East
facade
of
the
garage
is
going
to
be
fairly
close
to
the
center
point
of
this
house
and
there's
a
privacy
fence
here
that
kind
of
represents
where
that
could
be,
and
so
the
I
believe
the
East
facade
wall
of
the
garage
would
be
about
where
the
cursor
is
right.
Now
Chris
is
that
kind
of
getting
to.
E
D
E
H
G
I
have
a
more
fundamental
question,
always
like
I
mean
how
much
of
an
obstruction
that
has
yet
to
be
proven.
Are
we
going
to
be
requiring
at
it
cost
and
reduced
access
to
yard
off
of
a
claim
that
I
mean
we've
also
claimed
that
he's
going
to
open
up
a
car
dealership
and
he's
a
Car
Guy
They'll
be
working
at
four
in
the
morning.
Even
though
he's
got
an
actual
job
ads,
which
claims
do
we
actually
want
to
authentic
authenticate
ourselves
or
believe
without
authentication
that
part
I
find
curious.
C
K
Process
of
trying
to
build
this,
this
I
think
the
building
had
was
asked
to
be
moved
further
west.
There
wasn't
an
exact
set
number
on
that,
but
I
know
when
we
were
talking
driveway
from
the
other
side.
The
building
was
set
further
west
I
believe
than
what
those
other
measurements
showed
of
the
25
feet.
K
That,
yes,
that
25
feet
was
the
very
initial
thing
and
they,
whoever
it
was,
wanted
the
building
behind
the
house
a
little
bit
more
so
that
again
I
don't
know
the
exact
numbers
but
I.
Think
in
all
this
the
building
has
been
moved
further
west
a
little
bit.
I,
don't
remember
exactly
what
the
numbers
were:
yeah.
G
So
you're
already
now
you're
already
addressing
the
obstruction
issue.
So
now,
like
there's,
almost
no
obstruction
issue.
Unless
there's
some
other
argument,
I
mean
you're.
Now,
looking
at
30
foot
I
mean
you
may
even
have
a
clear
view
of
that
driveway
that
road
he's
asking
about.
Don't
we
or
am
I
misunderstanding
the
math
or
I?
Guess
it's
geometry.
Sorry.
H
D
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
17
feet
being
the
limit
for
the
peak
eye
to
the
roof
on
a
detached
garage
that
is,
for
a
single
story
home
since
the
applicant
has
a
two-story
home.
The
code
requirement
is
that
the
peak
height
of
the
roof
of
the
detached
garage
be
no
no
more
than
a
half
story
less
than
the
primary
structure.
So
with.
B
A
This
is
initiated
by
Property
Owners.
The
the
board
members
of
the
smid
are
property
owners
in
the
district.
They
have
petitioned
the
city
to
renew
or
extend
the
timeline
of
the
Smith,
and
so
that
comes
to
the
city
and
then
we're
required
to
process
that
for
because
it's
a
taxation
District,
so
the
initiation
really
is
Council
receiving
their
petition
and
referring
it
to
you
for
a
for
a
recommendation
on
the
validity
of
that
petition.
A
State
code
is
pretty
specific
on
what
needs
to
be
contained
in
a
petition
when
this
was
prepared.
Initially
again,
it's
a
it's
an
owner-initiated
taxation
district
and
it
was
first
approved
in
1998..
We've
had
subsequent
petitions
for
extensions.
Since
then,
this
is
the
eighth
extension
of
that
early
on
it
was
for
about
three
year
periods
was
when
they
were
originally
adopted.
This
mid-district,
the
most
recent
approval,
was
in
2018,
so
it's
been
a
five-year
period,
they're
now
proposing
a
10-year
period.
A
For
this
this
extent,
continuation,
commercial
and
Industrial
properties
are
taxed
in
the
Smith
District
Residential
Properties
are
not
taxed
in
this
mid
District,
except
for
multi-residential
three
plus
classified
properties.
That
is
all
a
determination
that's
made
by
the
county
assessor
and
the
County
Auditor,
not
the
city
staff.
So
frequently
what
ends
up
happening
is
we
send
out
a
notice
we're
required
to
by
state
code?
A
Hearing
and
people
want
to
know
if
they're
subject
to
the
tax
or
not,
and
most
of
the
calls
are
coming
from
condominium
owners
in
the
downtown
that
are
wondering
whether
they
pay
the
tax
which
they
do
not
so
most
of
those
calls
and
fine
they're
fine
with
not
paying
the
tax,
but
they
love
the
services
that
are
provided
by
the
Smith.
So
they
have
a
25-year
track
record
in
this
mid
District
of
providing
valuable
and
desirable
services
for
the
downtown.
A
This
is
what
funds,
the
maintenance
of
all
the
Planters
in
the
downtown
area-
the
raised
Planters
this
funds,
the
Clean
safe,
beautiful
in
the
downtown,
so
all
the
garbage
pickup.
They
also
have
the
ambassador
program
downtown
in
the
Skywalk
and
have
participated
in
numerous
things
to
better
the
downtown,
including
helping
to
fund
nightlife
studies
for
the
downtown.
When
we've
had
issues
on
Court
Avenue
to
try
and
address
problem
areas
that
have
occurred,
and
noise
and
and
other
things.
So
it's
been
a
very
valuable
extra
tool.
That's
been
available
in
the
city.
A
A
A
Think
that's
really
based
on
the
fact
that
they're
extending
this
for
a
10-year
period
instead
of
the
normal
three
to
five,
and
they
are
also
trying
to
account
for
inflation.
All
of
our
costs
are
going
up
for
maintenance.
If
you
look
at
all
of
our
Smith
districts,
the
maintenance
budgets
for
those
plantings
and
that
are
going
up
every
year
and
so
they're
they're
trying
to
accommodate
for
that
potential,
as
well
as
the
demand
for
additional
Services
have
numerous
petitions.
A
I
have
box,
that's
filled
with
all
the
petitions
that
have
been
signed
and
numerous
Property
Owners
wrote
in
additional
services
that
they
would
like,
provided
by
this
mid
District
on
on
their
petitions,
whether
or
not
they
can
actually
provide
those.
Those
Services
depends
on
their
annual
budget
and
and
what
their
maximum
Levy
can
be
and
again
that
is
set
annually.
So
it's
it's
not.
A
You
know
one
one-time
shot
for
for
a
review
of
that.
A
lot
of
our
other
Smiths
have
Auto
automatic
renewals
at
the
end
of
their
five-year
periods.
That
can
be
done
by
a
resolution
of
the
council.
The
downtown
Smith
has
never
had
that
provision
in
their
their.
So
every
five
years
they've
come
back
and
gone
back
to
all
the
property
owners
and
have
sought
petitions
sought
approval
from
the
owners
in
the
district
to
renew
the
district.
A
A
Some
of
the
collection
of
those
signatures
occurs
in
that
10-month
period,
the
very
beginning
of
it,
but
their
efforts
on
this
start
way
ahead
of
that
with
communication,
with
owners
trying
to
gain
support
for
for
their
effort.
The
10
month
process
is
really
mostly
dictated
by
state
code.
The
amount
of
time
that
is
required
for
coming
to
pnz
Council
has
to
send
out
a
notice
of
their
public
hearing.
They
have
to
schedule.
A
The
hearing
then
send
out
notice
then
once
they
hold
their
public
hearing,
they
have
to
wait
30
days
to
hold
first
consideration
of
an
ordinance
to
approve
it
and
then
there's
three
readings.
So
it's
a
very
lengthy
process
and
we
have
to
have
it
completed
by
October
1.
of
this
year
to
comply
with
the
county
auditor's
requirements
for
the
Smith
to
be
effective.
Next
July
1.
I
do
want
to
point
out
one
of
the
most
significant
costs
of
this.
The
whole
process
is
a
certified
mailing,
that's
required
by
state
code.
A
It
has
been
mailed
certified
mail
to
all
owners
of
property
within
the
boundary.
Currently
it
costs
about
6.48
per
certified
notice
to
mail
to
every
property
owner.
So
this
is
nearly
a
ten
thousand
dollar
cost.
Every
time
they
come
in
to
renew
this
mid
and
extend
it.
There's
there's
automatically
that
that
that
extensive
cost
per
notification,
and
so
the
ability
to
extend
this
for
10
years
is
very
beneficial
for
them
from
a
cost
standpoint
on
the
boundary.
This
is
the
proposed
boundary
for
the
Smith
as
you'll
see
on
the
on
the
next
map.
N
A
N
A
Area
right
here
that
is
extended
up
to
235
and
one
parcel
on
the
west
side
of
these
six
they're
Penn
up
to
235.
Those
are
the
only
changes
to
the
boundary
and
so
again,
modification
the
boundary
increase,
the
maximum
Levy
allowable
to
225
and
then,
basically,
the
term
going
from
five
years
to
ten
years
or
the
are
the
changes
so
I
say:
there's
state
code
governance.
All
of
this
it
details.
What
has
what
has
to
be
in
a
petition?
It
does
not
say
what
the
maximum
Levy
can
be.
A
That's
that's
that's
set
by
the
jurisdiction
and
the
ultimate
approval,
and
ultimately,
in
the
petition
that's
presented
to
us.
It
just
says
they
have
to
State
what
that
maximum
rate
is,
and
they
have
in
this
petition
again
that
has
to
have
a
name.
This
has
a
name.
It
has
to
have
a
boundary
has
to
have
a
legal
description.
It
has
to
have
a
maximum
rate
for
the
levy.
All
of
those
things
are
addressed
in
the
evaluated
report
which
staff
prepared.
A
We
have
found
that
the
petition
complies
with
the
state
code
for
minimum
requirements
to
be
in
the
petition
and
again
our
city
legal
department
actually
reviewed
that
petition
in
the
legal
description
before
was
presented
to
us.
We
reviewed
it,
sent
it
back
to
them
before
they
went
out
and
even
got
signatures
on
it.
So
I
did
outline
a
little
bit
of
the
next
steps.
A
If
you
make
a
recommendation
this
evening,
the
council
will
receive
that
their
next
meeting
on
the
26th
of
of
June
and
then
they'll
set
the
date
of
hearing
for
July
17th.
They
will
also
direct
notice
to
be
published
in
the
paper
and
those
certified
mailings
to
be
made
to
every
owner
in
the
district,
so
those
notices
should
be
going
out
on
June,
27th
and
there's
a
minimum
amount
of
time.
We
have
to
meet
for
state
code
for
those
notices.
So
all
of
this,
this
timeline
is,
is
prescribed
under
the
state
state
regulation.
A
The
first
reading
of
an
ordinance
wouldn't
be
until
August
21st
because
they
have
to
wait
30
days
and
then
again
we
have
to
have
it
approved
by
October
1..
So
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
evaluative
report
that
was
presented
to
the
commission
and
we
are
supportive
of
the
extension
of
this
proposed
cement
District,
it's
very
critical
to
the
downtown.
Thank
you
very
much.
J
It's
Carol
there's
a
paragraph
in
there
that
says
talks
about
Tiff
and
it's
kind
of
in
language.
That's
difficult
for
my
non-lawyer
brain
to
understand,
I'm,
wondering
if
you
can
just
kind
of
plain
language
that
for
me
or
if
it's
is
it
something
like
this
that,
because
it's
in
a
tiff,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
this
Levy
doesn't
get
swept
up
into
the
Tiff
correct
that
this
okay.
So
that's
that's
the
net
net!
This
is
saying
this.
This
Levy
is
separate
from
the
Tiff
correct.
Okay,
it's
like
a
protected
Levy;
okay,
what?
J
J
The
Smith
Levy
would
still
be
protected,
they
would,
they
would
get
free,
they
wouldn't
be
paying
taxes,
but
they
they
would
be
paying
this
Levy.
Okay,
if,
if
it's
approved
for
10
years
and
I
I
was
struck
by
how
many
times
you
had
been
approving
it
previously,
are
we
stock
or
can
we
reopen
it
within
that
10
years?
Let's
say
I
I,
don't
know
a
pandemic
happens
and
you
want
to
change
what
the
what
the
Smith
does
would.
Are
we
stuck
with
the
10
years,
or
can
you
open
it
up.
A
They
would
have
to
they
can
submit
a
new
petition,
if
say
it
say,
there's
a
new
area
that
develops
and
they
want
to
expand
again.
They
could
come
in
earlier
and
and
ask
to
renew
and
continue
a
new
boundary.
Okay,
but
again,
I
would
guess
that
when
we
went
through
this
whole
process,
they
came
to
us
and
were
asking
us.
A
They
had
several
boundaries
that
were
under
consideration
and
they
thought
long
and
hard
about
areas
that
might
expand
in
the
next
10
years
and
the
cost
of
the
services
to
to
kind
of
guess
that
that
might
happen.
It
wasn't
worth
expanding
at
this
time,
so
I
don't
expect
that
they'll
be
back
in
10
years
to
do
it
and.
J
J
A
J
Well,
okay,
so
that's
what
why
that
was
there.
I
was
a
little
confused
why
it
specifically
called
out
nonprofits,
but
it's
because
they
don't.
They
don't
pay
the
levy.
Okay,
and
then
we
talked
a
little
bit
earlier
about.
It
mentions
parking
a
couple
of
times
and
letter.
F
is
the
management
of
parking
facilities
and,
and
you
had
said
that
the
purposes
have
remained
consistent
for
maybe
from
the
beginning,
is:
should
it
when
it
comes
regard
to
parking
and
what
is
the
management
of
the
parking
facilities
that
the
Smith
does.
A
A
We,
the
owners,
have
presented
this
petition
to
us
so
if
they
believe
that
there
still
are
needs
to
address
management
of
parking
or
Solutions
of
parking
in
the
downtown
for
special
events
or
other
things
that
they
host
that's
entirely
up
to
them
and
they're
bored,
we
all
we
are
doing
is
evaluating
their
petition
based
on
the
state
code
of
what
are
minimum
requirements
for
that,
but
the
actual
services
that
they
provide
are
entirely
determined
by
their
board
and
their
owners
in
the
district.
We
don't
we
don't.
A
We
don't
dictate
that
so
we
may
have
desire
or
debate
about
whether
we
have
enough
parking
or
too
much
parking
in
the
downtown.
That's
really
not
the
purview
of
this.
This
petition,
if
they
choose
to
use
some
of
their
money
to
address
parking
for
a
special
event
or
whatever
they're
entirely
able
to
do
that.
I
A
Yeah
I
would
say
absolutely
the
Clean
safe,
beautiful
component
of
the
Smith
is
the
most
critical
component
of
the
whole
of
their
whole
effort.
The
downtown
the
ambassadors
that
go
around
and
clean
all
of
the
garbage
cans
and
pick
up
garbage
along
the
Riverwalk
I
mean
that's
a
change
that
has
happened
in
25
years.
They
took
over
some
of
the
maintenance
responsibilities.
You
know
in
other
areas
of
downtown
again
as
there's
been
more
residential
in
the
downtown
added.
A
There
have
been
more
complaints
about
noise
and
activity
on
Court
Avenue
at
night,
and
so
they've
helped
fund
those
nightlife
studies
to
try
and
address
noise
complaints
and
just
hours
of
operation,
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
a
absolutely
critical
component
to
making
the
downtown
livable
and
desirable
and
we're
a
full
support
of
the
continuation.
I
Is
is
there
a
committee
or
some
kind
of
an
organization
or
an
authority
that
acts
as
a
representational
sort
of
body,
for
what
the
the
whole
downtown
needs?
I
mean
I'm
interested
in
how
if
the
programs
just
are
kind
of
self,
you
know
continuing
on
and
on
or
if
there's
a
discussion
within
the
Smith
itself,
some
kind
of
an
authority
that
gives
a
focus
to
what
they
plan
to
do
in
terms
of
improvements.
That's.
A
Their
board
their
board
of
directors
that
they
that
they
establish
and
it's
made
up
of
the
owners
in
the
district,
so
there's
a
board
that
meets
they
meet
monthly
quarterly.
They
submit
a
budget
every
year
to
the
city
in
November
and
our
Council
reviews
that
budget
and
approves
it.
They
have
an
audit
done
of
their
operations.
N
A
A
G
A
So
they
have
a
that
that
is
established
and
then
the
board
can
can
hire
a
manager
or
a
management
agency,
and
so
basically
the
downtown
Smith
is
that
operating
agency
or
I'm.
Sorry
that
that
it's
the
operation
downtown
is
a
sub
set
of
the
downtown
Community
Alliance.
So
Amy
Lego
is
the
executive
director
of
the
operation
downtown
and
her
group
is
what
helps
manage
the
Smith
for
the
Smith
board.
G
Well,
I
thought
operation
downtown
legally,
is
the
Smith
based
off
the
990.,
so
who
is
the?
What
is
the
part
how's?
The
partnership
piece
work
because
I
mean
it
gets
to
Will's
point
is
our
only
insights
once
we
approve
this,
it's
a
voluntary
tax.
Is
there
any
public
oversight
of
this?
The
city
gets
or
is
it
we're
just
hoping?
The
partnership
provides
us.
A
How
does
that
work?
As
I
stated
we're
not
approving
anything
tonight,
we're
making
a
recommendation?
The
council
will
hold
a
hearing
on
approving
an
ordinance
to
establish
the
tax
or
establish
the
district
for
10
years.
Every
year
the
the
smid
board
has
to
submit
their
budget
of
operations
for
the
entire
next
year
to
our
city
council,
in
November
or
December,
and
then
as
part
of
the
council's
budget
process.
They
approve
that
budget
or
ask
any
questions
they
have
about
it
and
oftentimes.
We
have
asked
questions
about
it.
A
A
The
council
then,
based
on
that
budget
and
as
part
of
their
City
budget,
approves
the
levy
for
the
for
the
district
every
single
year
and
that's
after
we've
gotten
an
audit
of
the
previous
year
and
that's
after
we
have
their
budget
for
the
next
year,
and
so
there
is
plenty
of
oversight
of
what
is
happening
with
with
those
dollars
what
city
and
and
the
and
the
board.
Well.
G
That's
slightly
to
Will's
point
I
thought
how
this
works
is.
Basically
they
say:
here's
what
our
budget
is
and
then
the
city
either
votes,
yes
or
no
on
its
share
of
whatever
it
wants
to
put
in
for
it,
but
then
the
actual
operations
of
it.
Those
recommendations
aren't
actually
binding
at
all.
Are
they
there's
nothing?
The
city
can
say:
oh
I
wish
you
could
spend
this
amount
on
X,
that's
not
actually
a
city
binded.
We.
A
A
G
It's
one
designation
out
of
I
think
it's
like
25
people
right
so
I'm,
just
giving
context
to
Will's
comment
because
I
agree
with
this
comments.
I
think
it's
something
we've
had
issues
now.
I
remember
Meyer
years
ago,
also
had
the
same
issue
with
the
actual
process,
where
the
oversight
doesn't
really
actually
is
sniffing,
as
we
say
is
that
fair
I.
A
Believe
it
is
I
believe
it's
very
significant,
our
our
level
of
oversight
on
it.
We
have
an
operational
agreement,
contractual
agreement
that
passes
the
dollars
to
them
and
they
have
reporting
requirements
back
to
us
and
we
make
sure
that
those
are
followed,
and
we
we
take
that
audit
and
it's
reviewed
by
our
finance
department
and
again
the
the
agreements
between
us
are
all
you
know,
reviewed
by
our
legal
department
and
have
been
for
25
years.
So
there's
plenty
of
oversight
on
it.
C
The
residents
of
downtown
Des
Moines
want
anyway
right,
like
they
like.
The
Planters
are
beautiful.
For
example,
everyone
loves
them,
they
make
the
city
look
great,
so
my
point
is
they're
doing
things
in
furtherance
of
a
beautiful
downtown
anyway,
and
if
they
weren't
P
I
think
we
would
hear
an
uproar.
A
And
I
think
the
key
to
that
is
the
residents.
If
it's
a
condo
is
not
paying
the
tax,
so
you
know
they
have
membership
on
their
board
and
the
board
decides
what
those
dollars
that
certainly
people
have
input
on
that,
but
again
it's.
It
is
somewhat
challenging.
I
think
at
times,
from
a
budgetary
standpoint
to
do
everything.
People
want
right,
especially
when
people
that
are
wanting
it
aren't
paying
the
tax
that
comes
into
that
comes
into
play,
but.
H
J
But
to
the
point
to
Will
and
purpose
hasn't
changed
in
25
years.
I
think
we
all
agree
downtown
has,
and
obviously
it's
just.
We
can't
do
it
this
year.
Maybe
in
10
years
we
might
consider
changing
the
purposes
a
little
bit
to
reflect.
What's
going
on
downtown
the
livability
and
the
fact
that
there
are
a
lot
more
people
downtown,
10,
000
or
whatever.
A
That
would
really
be
up
to
the
individual
owners
when
they
apply
in
10
years
to
renew
it
if
they
want
to
change
the
purposes
and
the
petition
that
they
submit.
So
again.
This
is
a
self
initiated,
owner-initiated
taxing
district
special
purpose,
taxing
district,
and
so
it's
really
driven
by
what
the
owners
are
agreeing
to
sign
when
they
sign
that
petition.
A
They,
the
council,
can't
change
the
purposes
of
the
petition
they're
reviewing.
Basically
the
budget
that's
submitted
and
making
sure
that
it
falls
within
the
purposes
of
of
the
Smith
District.
So
the
council
doesn't
have
the
authority
to
change
the
petition
or
the
purposes
if
they
change
it.
They
go
back
to
the
very
beginning
and
start
all
over
with
a
new
it'd
have
to
be
generated
by
the
owners
to
change
that
petition.
A
No,
this
is
the
sign
petition
at
this
point.
It's
okay
it's
signed
and
is
they
have
the
percentage
minimum
percentage
required
by
state
code?
The
petition
complies
with
the
state
code.
They
have,
as
I
stated
in
the
evaluative
report.
30
percent
of
the
owners
have
signed.
Those
owners
represent
71
of
the
valuation
in
the
district.
So,
in
my
opinion,
I
believe
the
valuation
is
the
more
important
number
in
that,
because
we
have
a
large
number
of
owners
that
don't
pay
the
tax
so.
N
A
I
G
Can
I
ask
one
more
question
about
clarifications:
you're
saying
that
so
30
percent
of
land
owners
represent
70
percent
of
the
value
but
you're
saying
to
those
other
those
other
70
percent
of
individuals
who
represent
30
percent
of
value,
don't
actually
pay
into.
So
you
have
to
sign
the
petition
to
actually
pay
the
tax
or
does
no.
Once
the
30
threshold
said,
everyone
has
to
pay.
A
It
right
the
state
code
requires
a
minimum
of
25
percent
of
the
owners,
putting
at
least
25
percent
of
the
value
in
the
district
to
have
a
valid
petition.
So
they
have,
they
have
passed
the
minimum
threshold
and
no,
it
does
not
apply
only
to
people
that
sign
the
petition.
It
applies
to
all
taxable
property,
commercial
and
Industrial
taxable
property
in
the
district
yeah.
G
Okay,
I
thought:
I
missed
Sergeant,
so
we're
saying
30
have
signed
it,
you're,
saying
that
they
represent
70,
but
all
100
are
now
subject
to
that
tax
and
the
board
is
set
by
those
individuals
who
are
the
owners
who
are
basically,
you
know,
selected
by
operation
downtown
which
is
under
the
Partnerships.
You
know
under
the
partnership
for
its
management,
so
it's
down
to
actually
those
years
who
actually
vote
on
the
board,
who
actually
dictate
how
the
actual
thing
operates
and
we're
just
saying
you
know
what
you
hit
the
minimums
and
so
we're
good.
G
Here
you
go,
you
haven't
been
outside
the
bounds,
but
we
don't
have
a
say
in
what
they
really
do.
We're
just
saying
it's
good
enough.
Planters
are
looking
good,
everything's,
fine,
everyone's
happy.
The
business
owners
are
happy.
They
keep
signing
regardless.
The
residents
really
don't
have
a
vote.
They
got
three
out
of
20
votes
anyway
right.
So
that's
that's
the
process
just
to
be
clear
right
is.
I
P
I
B
H
G
B
Okay,
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
three:
a
request
from
Timeless
Restorations
for
the
following
regarding
portions
of
four
partials
Parcels
located
in
the
vicinity
of
2142
East
Market
Street
determination
as
to
whether
the
request
of
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
plan
DSM
and
to
rezone
portions
of
four
Parcels
from
I-1
industrial
district
to
I-2
Industrial
District.
To
allow
a
staging
area
for
concrete
recycling
and
storage
yard
and
sriyoshi
from
staff
will
present.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chairs,
chakraborty
planning
staff
item.
Three
is
a
rezoning
request
for
a
property
in
the
vicinity
of
2142
East
Market
Street.
The
applicant
is
requesting
to
rezone
the
area
from
i1
industrial
district
to
I2
industrial
district
in
order
to
allow
a
concrete
recycling,
business
and
Associated
Storage
area.
F
This
is
the
proposed
rezoning
boundary.
As
you
can
see,
it's
on
East
Market
Street.
This
is
north
of
MLK,
Junior,
Parkway
and
slightly
east
of
East
18th
Street,
it's
in
a
predominantly
industrial
area-
and
this
is
the
this-
is
the
parcel
that
that's
20
at
2142
East,
Market
Street.
This
is
this
is
not
proposed
for
rezoning.
It's
currently
Zone
I2,
so
it's
not
been
included
in
the
rezoning
area,
but
the
proposed
business
and
the
rezoning
that
we
are
looking
at
will
include
this
area
in
the
entirety.
F
F
This
is
I'm
sorry.
This
is
looking
West
towards
downtown
looking
East,
and
then
this
is
you
can
see
up
here.
This
is
MLK
Junior
Parkway,
so
it's
slightly
elevated
here
and
it's
fairly
within
close
proximity
to
the
to
the
rezoning
area
and
because
it's
elevated
as
you're
driving
on
the
on
the
MLK
Corridor,
there's
a
good
view
of
the
the
area
that
is
in
question.
F
This
is
a
conceptual
sketch
that
the
applicant
provided
gives
you
a
general
idea
of
what
they
are
proposing.
It's
not
a
site
plan,
just
a
sketch.
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
they're
proposing
a
concrete
recycling,
business
that'll
include
some
Machinery
that
that
is
proposed
to
be
here
here
in
the
parcel
which
is
not
included
in
the
rezoning
boundary.
There'll
be
a
big
parking
lot.
The
storage
area
is
going
to
be
roughly
here,
and
so
that
is
kind
of
a
rough
concept
of
what
the
applicant
is
proposing.
F
F
However,
staff
would
like
to
point
out
that
all
outdoor
storage
proposed
in
the
sub
in
the
site
should
comply
with
supplemental
design,
regulations
pertaining
to
things
like
setbacks,
height
screening,
landscaping
and
so
on.
This
is
particularly
important
because,
as
I
pointed
out
before,
it's
in
close
proximity
to
the
MLK
Junior
Parkway
and
there's
because
of
the
elevation
difference
between
the
site
and
the
corridor,
it
could
be
highly
visible,
and
so
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
the
the
design
regulations
are
followed
to
make
it
an
appropriate
use.
F
F
They
will
also
be
required
to
comply
with
all
site
plan,
site
planning
requirements
pertaining
to
chapter
135
of
the
code,
as
there
is
outdoor
storage
proposed.
With
this
particular
proposal
and
the
reasoning
there
are
supplemental
use,
regulations
that
apply
in
real
in
relation
to
to
the
the
storage,
distribution
and
wholesaling
use,
so
they
are
outlined
here
and
similarly,
with
accessory
outdoor
storage.
There's,
there's
regulations
that
apply
again.
F
So
with
that
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
rezoning
request.
There
are
a
couple
zoning
conditions
that
we
have
recommended
and
that
they
bring
the
site
into
conformance
with
the
with
the
design.
The
site,
planning,
design,
standards
and
condition.
Number
two
is
that
any
adjoining
property
that
is
used
or
developed
will
also
need
to
comply
with
condition,
one
which
is
to
comply
with
all
the
site
plan
and
design
regulations,
and
this
is
primarily
because,
as
you
saw
in
the
drawing,
there
is
a
parcel
associated
with
the
use.
That
is
not
part
of
the
rezoning.
F
However,
that
will
be
part
of
the
entire
project,
and
so,
when
the
applicant
moves
forward
but
site
plan
and
bringing
the
site
into
compliance,
it
will
not
just
be
the
the
rezoning
area
that
is
under
consideration
today,
but
also
the
parcel
adjacent
to
it,
which
is
at
2142
East
Market.
So
those
are
the
two
conditions
the
applicant
held
a
neighborhood
meeting,
which
is
required
as
part
of
the
rezoning
process.
F
I
believe
they
had
a
couple
attendees,
one
of
them,
an
adjacent
landowner
as
well
as
a
representative
from
the
Davidson
revocable
trust,
and
they
had
some
questions
and
concerns
they've
been
outlined
here,
but
I
will
let
the
applicant
talk
about
this
and
just
be
here
for
a
second.
So
you
can
read
through
this.
G
Curious
on
one
thing
and
I
apologize
for
not
knowing
enough
about
concrete
but
I
guess
concrete
Reclamation
is
essentially
just
crushed
it
all
back
up
and
I
got
these
piles
of
stuff
sitting
out
there.
I
mean
I,
understand,
134
363e4
has
issues
of
I
can't
let
pollutants
leave
site
with
water.
There
I
mean
how
does
that
include
like
water
quality
issues,
or
is
there
any
access
to
water
quality
pollution?
That's
there
or
is
there
anything
that
becomes
a
possible
future
Reclamation
issue
or.
F
Yeah
I
believe
that
yeah
I
think
there
was
a
recommendation
from
our
engineering
staff
to
look
at
some
treatment
along
the
the
dean
Lake,
which
is
immediately
north
of
the
site
to
ensure
that
there
isn't
runoff
from
the
site
into
the
into
the
water.
That's
right
there,
so
they
will
be
required
to
comply
with
those
those
regulations
as
well
pertaining
to
water.
H
B
B
H
Other
thing
for
the
commission
to
remember
is
this
is
actually
a
conditional
use.
So,
even
though
you
know
we're
putting
the
zoning
in
place,
but
they
still
aren't
allowed
to
operate
by
right,
so
they
have
to
go
and
demonstrate
to
the
zoning
board
adjustment
that
they
meet
the
conditional
use
criteria
and
at
any
time
you
know
if,
if
they
after
they
get
approval,
if
we
have
issues
where
they're
not
meeting
this
criteria,
the
enforcement
officer
can
bring
them
back
to
the
board
to
be
reconsidered.
H
So
there's
a
lot
of
layers
of
review
for
these
intensive
uses
that
have
the
potential
to
have
negative
consequences
in
the
surroundings.
So
that's
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
wanted
to
put
all
that
in
the
staff
report.
So
you
are
aware
of
the
kinds
of
Hoops
and
criteria
that
will
be
looked
at
as
it
moves
forward.
B
Q
The
company
address
is
13293,
South,
88th,
Avenue,
West,
Prairie,
City
and
oh,
are
we're
looking
to
start
a
recycled
aggregate
company
there
on
Market
Street,
and
we
wanted
to
Stage
the
recycle
as
well
as
crush
the
recycle
on
site,
will
be
accepting
concrete
from
outside
sources
under
strict
regulations.
As
far
as
what
we'll
accept
so
no
demolished
buildings
only
claim
material.
Q
That
kind
of
thing
will
be
having
approximately
20
to
50
trucks
come
through
each
day
to
haul
away
and
haul
in
concrete
and
we'll
have
the
aggregate
on
site
temporarily
could
we'll
make
it
we'll
sell
it.
So
it
will
be
moving.
The
concrete
will
be
moving
on
the
site
and
off
the
site,
hopefully
in
a
short
amount
of
time,
we'll
have
one
Crusher,
two
conveyors
a
wheel,
loader
and
two
or
three
excavator
type
hose
the
crusher
height
is
13
foot
five
inches
and
the
conveyor
Heights
are
30
feet
at
full
extension.
Q
Some
of
them
are
approximately
70
foot
tall,
so
we're
hoping
that
will
also
help
with
the
beautification
of
the
area
and
keep
it
from
set
the
lightning
of
sight
from
the
MLK
we'll
have
gates
at
the
entrances
and
to
keep
out
trespassers
as
well
as
people.
We
don't
want
people
dumping
on
this
site
so
to
secure
the
site,
we
will
have
fences
and
Gates.
J
N
Q
Q
Q
More
like
a
a
stall
with
a
probably
like
a
tar
like
a
tarp
type
of
thing
like
you
would
see.
That
would
cover
a
dumpster,
that
kind
of
because,
when
you're
putting
the
aggregate
into
the
Stalls
you're
going
to
be
using
a
big
big
machine,
so
you're
going
to
want
to
take
the
cover
back
dump
in
there
and
then
put
the
cover
back
over
kind
of
like
you
would
like
a
outdoor
dumpster.
Q
C
Q
G
So
it's
not
like
you're
pouring
stuff
on
there's
a
river.
It's
misting!
Usually
it's
going
to
sit
within
the
aggregate,
so
you're
not
gonna
have
you're
not
typically
with
these
operations
going
to
have
streams
of
water
rolling
off
and
when
they
say
a
dumpster
it'll,
look
more
if
I'm,
unless
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
your
mouth,
but
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
it
looks
more
like
those
handball
courts
that
grub,
for
example,
so
it'll
be
a
three-sided
cement
thing.
It
isn't
like
a
dumpster,
no.
Q
Not
like
a
dumpster
like
a
three-sided,
concrete
structure
but
I,
know
you've
all
seen
the
roll-off
trucks
going
down
the
road
with
those
kind
of
a
mesh
cover
that
can
be
removed.
That's
why
I
was
referencing
the
that
type
of
cover,
but
yes,
so
that
type
of
storage
in
there
should
not
be
run
off
from
the
machine
at
all,
and
we
are
proposing
later
down
the
road
as
we
do.
B
G
I
do
want
to
reinforce
my
opinion
that
these
types
of
hyperlocal
circular
economy,
industrial,
mixed
types,
businesses
which,
in
these
types
of
items,
have
a
massive
ESG
benefit
in
the
reduction
of
carbon
cost
of
concrete
I.
Think
our
huge,
hugely
positive
I
would
aggressively
support
this.
Obviously,
with
controls
that
are
there
in
place,
I
know
it
is
we
had
a
business
at
one
point
out
of
Simpson,
where
we
would
actually
do
concrete
lines
and
we
do
apply
the
water
correctly.
It
is
amazing
how
little
dust
there
is
in
these
things.
G
So,
if
operated
correctly,
the
dust
tank
is
typically
not
a
problem,
but
again
that's
can
they're
The,
Operators
I,
don't
know.
I
just
know
it's
possible
in
this
business
in
itself.
I
think
is
the
type
of
thing
we
want
to
support
in
our
city
and
want
to
provide
these
industrial
opportunities
in
our
city
that
we
haven't
always
had,
especially
as
close
as
they
are
so
I
I
would
be
in
favor
of
emotion
of
moving
staff.
J
So
I
just
want
clarification.
Letter
f
says:
loose
material
shall
not
be
stacked
higher
than
six
feet
and
shell
at
a
minimum
be
stored
in
a
three-sided
covered,
shelter
and
then
G,
Goods
materials
and
Equipment
shall
not
be
stacked
higher
than
the
height
of
the
perimeter.
Screening
I
mean
she
said.
The
conveyor
belt
was
going
to
be
30
feet.
G
H
Yeah
I
mean
there
is
a
difference
between
a
storage
area
and
then
the
operations.
So
that's
that
is
correct.
We'll
look
at
all
this
in
detail
when
they
actually
have
a
you
know
like
a
site
plan.
That's
submitted
right
now,
we're
just
hearing
kind
of
generally
what
they
want
to
do,
but
until
we
actually
see
a
drawing
that
we
can
react
to
it's
kind
of
hard
to
really
say
what
aspects
of
their
operation
or
processing.