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From YouTube: 05-04-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, May 4, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
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A
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
Council
hearings.
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
A
A
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
present
or
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
that
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda,
I'd
like
to
ask
for
a
motion
from
the
commission
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
April
20th
meeting,
this
is
Carolina
move.
Thank
you.
All.
Those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand.
A
A
Are
you
raising
your
hand?
No,
not
bad.
Okay.
Anyone
on
the
commission
who
would
like
this
herd
seeing
none
item
one
will
remain
on
the
consent.
Agenda
item
number:
two:
a
request
from
large
bins
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
for
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
1157
12th
Street
to
allow
construction
of
a
624
square
foot,
23
foot
tall,
detached
garage
within
the
front
yard
in
an
n3a
neighborhood
District,
where
the
front
yard
location
is
not
allowed
and
the
maximum
allowed
height
is
17
feet.
B
A
All
right,
we
will
continue
with
the
public
hearing
items,
items
number
or
item
number
three
request
from
RM
Madden
Construction,
for
review
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
and
for
a
type
2
design,
alternative
for
property
located
at
2437,
East,
Douglas
Avenue
for
construction
of
a
house,
a
building
type
in
an
n1b
neighborhood
district
with
an
attached
garage
that
comprises
42.6
percent
of
the
front
facade
width
of
the
house
or
the
maximum
allowable
width
is
30
of
the
front.
Facade
and
Kyle
Larson
from
staff
will
present.
E
E
They
are
seeking
one
type,
two
design
alternative,
that
design
alternative
is
for
the
overhead
garage
door.
Width.
The
n1b
zoning
District
only
allows
up
to
30
percent
of
the
front
facade
to
be
encompassed
by
that
overhead
garage
door
width.
The
house
plan
that
they
have
proposed
exceeds
that
it
comes
in
at
42.6
percent.
So
it's
just
the
one
type
2
design
alternative
for
the
overhead
garage
door
that
you're
hearing
tonight.
E
E
E
F
E
E
E
E
These
are
the
house
plans
for
2437
that
have
been
submitted
by
the
Builder
again
there's
one
type
2
design
alternative.
That
is
in
front
of
you
tonight.
I've
kind
of
indicated
that
here
with
a
little
illustration
from
their
front
elevation
42.6,
is
that
overhead
garage
door
width.
You
can
see
how
that
kind
of
relates
to
the
overall
width
of
the
front,
facade
and
again
type
2
or
type
2
design
alternative.
For
that
overhead,
gradual
width,
the
allowable
width
is
up
to
30
percent
for
the
n1b
zoning
District
house,
Type
A.
E
E
This
house
is
located
at
3941,
lay
Street,
it
was
constructed
in
2009,
2009,
obviously,
would
have
been
under
the
old
code.
It
would
have
been
approved
under
the
old
code.
It
would
not
have
been
subject
to
the
current
regulations
for
house
type
A,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
this
out
because
it
does
have
a
similar
two-car
attached
garage
facing
lay
street
that
encompasses
42.1
percent
of
that
front
facade.
This
is
a
very
similar
plan
to
what
Madden
is
proposing
to
construct
on
East
Douglas.
This
is
just
North
of
the
subject:
property
on
lay
Street.
E
This
house
is
across
the
street
and
diagonal
to
the
subject:
property
closer
in
proximity
to
that
first
house
that
I
showed.
But
again
it
has
an
overhead
garage
door
attached
garage
that
faces
East,
Douglas
Avenue,
based
on
my
measurements.
It
encompasses
about
36
percent
of
the
front
facade.
This
house
was
actually
constructed
in
1914,
but
it
was
remodeled
in
1970
to
add
that
attached
garage.
E
E
C
G
G
E
E
E
H
E
G
E
E
G
E
G
E
I
I
I
I
do
want
to
start
off
I'm
just
going
to
read
what
I
sent
in
it
kind
of
sums
it
up
quickly.
So
a
16
foot
wide
over
overhead
garage
door
on
the
haze
plan,
which
is
what
we're
proposing
comes
to
42.6
percent
of
the
front
facade
width,
the
maximum
width
of
garage
door
under
a
type
1
design
alternative
would
allow
14.5
feet.
I
Our
request
is
only
for
an
additional
one
and
a
half
feet
of
garage
door
of
what
a
type
1
design
alternative
would
allow
the
reason
for
us
wanting
to
put
this
house
house
plan
and
a
zoning
where
it
doesn't
quite
fit.
The
house
type
is
due
to
the
grade,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
fall.
Hence
why
I'm
bringing
in
a
fair
amount
of
filled
material
and
they're
a
little
bit
larger
Lots
than
what
we're
used
to
anyways?
I
I
I'll
skip
ahead
here,
this
neighborhood
zoned
n1b,
but
the
neighborhood
has
a
mix
of
a
lot
of
types
of
different
houses.
Some
areas
have
pockets
of
similar
homes,
but
throughout
the
entire
neighborhood
the
character
varies
very
widely,
and
then
we
did
consider
building
a
smaller
house
without
a
garage
that
fits
kind
of
that
General
look
of
the
neighborhood
a
little
bit
more.
I
I
Thank
you.
I
also
talked
with
some
of
the
neighbors
that
were
here
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago,
and
she
kind
of
got
their
opinion
on
it
talked
to
the
president
of
the
HOA
there.
He
did
not
express
any
concern
about
these
houses.
He
was
actually
an
advocate
for
the
garage
just
because
of
what
I
mentioned.
Most
people
don't
build
the
garage
after
if
we
don't
build
it
when
we're
building
the
house
and
then
there's
mowers
and
snow
blowers
and
shovels
outside,
so
he
would
rather
have
the
garage
on
the
front
than
stuff
laying
around.
I
It
is
about
2
or
200
square
feet
smaller,
so
the
value
it
brings
to
the
neighborhood
would
be
a
little
bit
lower.
I
believe
the
first
plan
were
wanting
to
build
would
be
listed
around
300
to
320
000,
where
this
plan
would
be
around
250,
which
we
did
see
most
times.
We
fight
that
pretty
hard,
because
when
we
we
focus
on
infill
and
not
as
desirable
Lots
so,
but
we
saw
these
as
a
little
more
valuable.
A
G
Sorry
about
that,
do
you
mind
running
through
those
numbers
again
for
a
quick
second,
so
you're
saying
that,
basically
for
the
one
with
the
garage
on
the
front,
it's
going
to
cost
you're
going
to
put
it
on
the
market
at
350.
and
for
the
other
option.
You
put
it
on
the
I'm.
Sorry
for
320.,
if
the
other
one
you
put
on
the
market
at
250,
was
that
with
a
detached
garage
or
is
that
just
with
a
drive
with
no
girl.
I
G
So
you
just
have
a
sheds
as
far
as
like
building
the
garage
or
anything
there,
there's
no
reason
you
build
the
garage
like
there's
no
increased
value
in
having
the
garage
versus
a
shed,
because
you
identified
that
they
don't
really
sell
as
well
without
a
garage
that
you
wouldn't
want
to
build
a
garage.
It.
I
I
I
A
I
A
I
The
house
is
the
house:
we're
proposing
is
about
200
square
feet
more
as
well.
We
don't
make
a
whole
lot
of
changes
to
our
plans.
This
is
more
of
a
plan,
that's
in
newer
developments,
but
it
did
still
fit
very
closely
to
fitting
in
the
zoning.
So
that's
why
we
proposed
it,
but
we
could
build
a
garage,
but
nothing
saying
that
we
couldn't
do
that.
I
H
H
What
what
strike
I
have
a
question,
but
let
me
unload
my
thoughts
first
of
all,
what
what
strikes
me
about
this
streetscape
is
the
horizontal
feel
that
the
setback,
the
uniform
setback
of
these
mid-century
modern
houses
more
or
less,
give
to
the
streetscape.
You
feel
that
there
is
this
horizontal
uniformity,
and
so
my
question
is:
could
the
house
that
you're
proposing
be
set
back
farther
from
the
street
to
LIT
to
let
this
the
eye
view
this
horizontal
Unity
without
having
your
house
with
a
snout
garage
or
the
front?
I
H
And
but
that's
my
question,
it
would
fall
in
in
terms
of
the
setback,
but
it
wouldn't
fall
in
terms
of
the
visual
appearance,
because
it
would
break
up
the
uniformity
of
this
horizontal
and
linear
feeling.
While
if
the
garage
was
set
back
further
than
the
30
feet,
you
see,
you
would
still
have
the
sense
of
the
visible
horizontal
feel
well.
Is
that
possible.
I
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
what
that
would
gain
I,
I,
guess,
I.
What
I'm
trying
to
understand
you
like
having
them
all
in
a
line
the
the
uniformity
of
having
them
lined
up
I?
Guess
we
wouldn't
set
the
garage
back
any
further.
We
wouldn't
push
it
back
into
the
house
and
we
don't.
We
don't
really
want
to
push
the
house,
the
whole
house
back
another
10
feet.
It
just
adds
costs
with
the
sewer
and
water
and
the
driveway.
And
then
you
lose
some
of
your
backyard
as
well.
J
J
I
I
We
do
a
lot
of
infill
construction
in
Des,
Moines
about
20
houses
a
year
give
or
take
so
Summer
by
the
fairgrounds
just
north
of
there,
where
the
areas
barely
able
to
take
new
construction.
Other
areas
are
by
wakanda
Club,
where
we
would
propose
a
house
like
this,
and
it
would
fit
right
in
I.
Think
this
being
close
to
the
east
side
of
Des
Moines,
the
Northeast
side
like
Southeast,
Polk
schools,
the
lots
are
have
a
little
more
privacy
and
are
wider
they'd,
be
daylight
or
walk
out.
I
J
Okay
I
mean
you're
the
expert
on
that,
but
I
I
really
I
mean
you
drove
around
there
and
it
was
displayed
that
the
houses
are
generally
a
driveway.
That
goes
along
the
side,
with
the
garage
and
back
and
for
seventy
thousand
dollars.
It
seems
like
a
big
amount
of
money
that
you
say
a
garage
basically
brings
to
the
table
at.
I
Yeah
I
I
mean
I,
agree
the
character
overall.
Is
that
detached
garage
in
the
back?
But
if
you
drive
through
a
new
development
I'm,
not
comparing
this
to
a
new
development,
but
there's
a
reason.
People
aren't
building
houses
with
a
detached
garage
in
the
back
anymore.
Nobody
really
wants
that.
People
want
to
pull
in,
go
right
into
their
home.
They
want
easy
access
in
and
out.
They
want
a
full
backyard.
I
And
most
of
the
houses
that
were
built
in
that
neighborhood
were
built
with
no
garage,
and
then
somebody
built
it
later.
I
went
through
dozens
of
houses
on
the
Polk
County
Assessor,
where
houses
built
in
57
and
then
garage
was
built
in
61,
for
example.
So
I
just
think
it
was
how
things
were
done,
then
so
I
think
they're
just
trying
to
push
some
Evolution
to
Home
Building
in
the
modern
day.
A
J
A
J
A
detached,
it's
yeah,
it's
it's
pricey,
it's
detached,
yeah,
I,
know,
I,
know
they're
a
lot.
I
was
going
to
put
in
a
one
and
a
half
and
they're
telling
me
it's
55
grand
and
it
doesn't
even
come
with
a
bathroom.
You
know,
I
can't
live
in
it,
but
it
just
seems
that
people,
even
though
we
try
to
get
people
to
get
around
without
using
their
car,
it
seems
like
people
still
love
their
car
right.
J
A
K
H
L
A
I
A
N
A
G
My
only
discussion
piece
is
I
think
that,
with
both
yours
and
Carol's
looking
at
the
market,
it's
not
clear
to
me
that
this
Market
is
going
to
support
350
anyway,
there
hasn't
been
a
clear
basis
for
data
for
that
which
I
find
challenging
and
the
neighborhood
was
both
aggressively
against
it,
and
it
is
completely
out
of
character
with
all
the
houses
around
it.
So
I
I
understand
the
motion.
I
understand
the
theory
of
it,
but
the
big
two-car
garage
on
the
front
I
would
be
opposed
to
this,
so
I'll
be
voting
against
it.
A
E
E
All
of
the
site
photos
remain
the
same.
The
one
variation
would
be
some
slight
modifications
to
the
front
facade
in
terms
of
some
of
the
the
elements
that
they're
looking
to
add
to
differentiate
the
two,
even
though
the
floor
plate
and
floor
plan
behind
the
facade
is
the
same
they're,
adding
a
few
little
variations
to
their
facade
detailing
that
you
can
see
here
but,
like
I,
said,
the
type
2
design
alternative
for
the
overhead
garage
door
is
the
same.
E
I
A
N
B
A
Okay,
we
will
move
on
to
item
number
five,
a
request
from
the
Cambodian
Buddhist
Society,
represented
by
noi
noi
for
the
following
regarding
two
Parcels
located
in
the
vicinity
of
1301
19th
Street
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
conformance
with
plan
DSM
and
to
rezone
the
property
from
nx1
neighborhood
mix
District
to
RX1
mixed-use
District,
to
allow
the
ReUse
of
an
existing
building
as
a
grocery
store
and
trioshi
will
be
here
from
staff
to
present.
Thank.
O
You,
madam
chairs,
planning
staff
item
five
before
you
is
a
rezoning
request
for
a
couple
Parcels
in
the
vicinity
of
1301
19th
Street.
The
requested
action
is
to
rezone
the
property
from
nx1
neighborhood
mix
District
to
RX1
mixed-use
District,
to
allow
the
use
of
an
existing
building
as
a
Neighborhood,
Grocery
Store.
O
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
some
background
information
here
regarding
the
property
as
well
as
the
surrounding
area.
This
subject:
property
is
within
the
king,
Irving
neighborhood
and,
as
you
can
see,
this
is
this.
Is
the
subject
property
it's
at
the
intersection
of
several
streets.
That
kind
of
converge
at
a
skewed
angle,
this
Carpenter,
Avenue
kiyosaka
way
19th
Street
and
the
property
is
right
here
at
the
corner
of
the
intersection.
The
neighborhood
in
the
vicinity
is
quite
diverse.
There's
a
mix
of
users,
as
you
can
see
here.
O
If
you
look
immediately
to
the
north
and
to
the
east,
there
is
low
density
residential
to
the
West
there's
a
fairly
large
government,
complex
Polk,
County
Health
Services
has
has
a
few
big
Parcels
to
the
to
the
west
of
the
property
and,
of
course,
there's
other
higher
intensity
mix
of
users.
Along
the
19th,
Street
and
Keosauqua
way,
Transportation
corridor.
O
O
There
is
a
paved
area
immediately
to
the
north,
which
was
being
used
as
an
existing
parking
for
the
for
the
building.
The
building
was
being
used
by
the
Cambodian
Buddha
society
as
a
temple
and
a
religious
assembly
space.
The
proposed
rezoning
is
to
allow
the
ReUse
of
the
building
as
a
as
a
grocery
store.
O
O
This
is
the
existing
building
that
we
are
talking
about.
It's
it
actually
butts
up
right
up
to
the
sidewalk
along
Carpenter
Avenue.
The
sidewalk
is
about
it's
it's
wide.
It's
it's
about.
Eight
feet
eight
feet
wide,
but
you
can
see
the
building
butts
up
right
up
to
the
to
the
sidewalk
here
and
pretty
close
to
the
intersection
itself.
O
Again,
this
is
looking
at
the
back
of
the
property,
the
existing
paved
area
from
the
alley,
that's
in
in
disrepair,
but
was
being
used
as
a
parking
spaces
for
the
for
the
existing
use.
And
then
this
is
the
access
off
of
the
alley
that
comes
off
of
Carpenter,
Avenue
and
again,
the
back
side
of
the
building.
So
just
a
few
pictures
to
give
you
some
context.
O
The
existing
land
use
for
the
area
is
neighborhood
mixed
use
and
neighborhood
mixed
use,
as
defined
by
our
land
use
plan,
is
a
small
scale.
Mixed-Use
development,
which
are
typically
located
at
intersections
of
busy
collectors
and
arterial
streets
and
long
major
transportation
corridors
and
can
include
uses
such
as
small
retail
offices,
restaurants
and
other
service
oriented
development.
Low
medium
density
residential
may
also
be
included
in
this
particular
land
use.
O
So
the
the
current
Zoning
for
the
subject
property
is
nx1
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
rezone
it
to
RX1
and
that's
to
allow
the
the
grocery
store,
which
falls
under
the
commercial
use.
Category
staff
feels
that
the
proposed
zoning
District
of
RX1
is
appropriate
for
this
area.
It
is
consistent
with
the
neighborhood
mixed
use.
Land
use,
designation
that
is,
has
been
designated
for
this
area.
O
It's
also
generally
consistent
with
the
character
of
the
corridor
which,
as
you
saw,
was
included
a
mix
of
uses
with
easy
access
to
the
surrounding
adjacent
neighborhood,
so
being
able
to
be
more
walkable.
It's
a
long,
darts
transit
route.
There's
a
bus,
stop
right
adjacent
to
this
subject
property.
So
it's
able
to
provide
easy
Transportation
access,
there's
also
future
plans
to
have
a
shared
use
path
along
19th
Street,
which
would
allow
easy
normal
rice
connection
from
from
downtown.
O
However,
because
of
the
really
really
close
proximity
of
residential
users
just
immediately
to
the
East,
and
also
lack
of
any
off-street
parking
in
the
immediate
vicinity.
As
you
saw
from
the
aerial
that
it's
kind
of
locked
in
right,
there
there's
no
access
to
any
any
low
intensity
Street
where
there's
on-street
parking
staff
felt
that
to
support
this.
O
So
long
as
the
property
did
comply
with
the
recommended
zoning
conditions,
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
zoning
conditions,
that
staff
is
proposing,
there's
seven
conditions
here
and
I'll
go
through
each
one
of
them
for
the
benefit
of
for
you
all,
as
well
as
the
as
the
public,
that's
in
attendance
today.
So
the
first
condition
is
prohibition
of
any
sale
of
alcoholic
liquor,
wine,
beer
and
or
any
other
control
substance
on
the
premise:
prohibition
of
any
gambling
games.
O
Arcade
games,
video
games,
games
off
chance
or
any
other
comparable
gaming
on
the
premise.
Any
business
on
this
property
shall
only
operate
between
the
hours
of
8
AM
to
8,
PM
Monday
to
Sunday.
So
essentially,
all
seven
days.
Any
business
on
this
property
shall
Institute
a
no
strict,
no
loitering
policy,
conspicuously
post
one
or
more
no
lightering
fines
incorporate
with
police
and
addressing
any
such
issues.
O
Litter
and
Trash
Recipe
tackles
shall
be
located
at
convenient
locations
inside
and
outside
the
premises
and
operators
of
the
business
shall
remove
all
trash
and
debris
from
the
premises
and
adjoining
public
areas
on
a
daily
basis.
Any
business
on
this
property
shall
provide
at
least
the
minimum
number
of
off-suite
parking
spaces
required
by
city
code
and
Landscaping
and
screening
will
be
provided,
provided
as
per
chapter
135
and
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
and
Urban
Design
administrator.
O
So
just
wanted
to
read
those
out
to
you
and
then
moving
further
just
wanted
to
report
out
on
the
neighborhood
meeting
that
the
applicant
did.
The
applicant
held
a
neighborhood
meeting,
I
believe
on
April
21st
and
provided
us
a
summary.
These
were
the
neighbors
that
were
invited
to
the
meeting.
Here's
the
sign-in
sheet,
the
the
applicant,
had
a
survey
that
was
provided
to
the
attendees
to
get
a
feel
for
what
kind
of
grocery
needs
the
neighborhood
had.
It's
just
gonna
get
a
feel
for
what
what
are
some
of
their
needs.
O
O
This
is
the
consent
map,
as
you
can
see,
about,
62.4
percent
of
the
adjacent
properties
are
in
or
properties
within,
250
feet
are
in
opposition
to
this
particular
rezoning.
I
will
point
out
that
there's
three
large
Parcels
that
belong
to
Polk
County
and
Polk
County
expressed
opposition
to
this
rezoning
as
well.
O
K
O
O
F
K
Yeah,
that's
true:
they
would
be
required
to
comply
with
parking
and
for
landscaping.
I
think
we
just
added
that
just
to
provide
some
Assurance
to
the
neighborhood
that
that
would
happen,
and
also
by
making
it
a
zoning
Condition
it's
hard.
It
would
be
harder
for
them
to
seek
type
to
design
alternatives,
to
try
to
get
out
of
those
at
a
later
date.
O
K
G
O
So
the
the
property
is,
the
reasoning
is
for
this
in
the
entirety
of
these
two
parcels,
and
so
there
is,
if
the
applicant
were
to
utilize
this
entire
space
up
here,
there
would
definitely
be
more
than
sufficient
space
to
provide
for
those
12
parking
spaces.
In
addition
to
other
landscaping
and
other
improvements.
G
K
Well,
I
guess,
to
be
honest:
we've
heard
quite
a
few
people
and
from
the
applicant
tell
us
that
the
operators
of
the
proposed
business
are
current
operators
of
another
property
elsewhere
in
the
city
that
has
been
a
nuisance
and
I
guess.
We've
also
heard
that
they
operate
used
to
operate
a
business
at
1829
6th
Avenue
that
had
been
a
nuisance
property.
K
So
we
were
wanting
to
make
sure
that
those
same
concerns
aren't
repeated
here,
but
we
have
not
been
able
to
confirm
that
it's
the
same
people
so
we're
hoping
that
the
applicant
can
address
that
tonight
as
well
and
we've
been,
we've
tried
to
reach
out
to
the
applicant
this
week
to
get
an
answer
on
that
and
we've
been
unsuccessful.
So.
K
G
K
The
only
other
group
that
would
be
able
to
do
that
would
be
the
board
of
adjustment,
and
that's
only
if
they
request
a
conditional
use
to
sell
alcohol,
which
they've
indicated
they
don't
intend
to
sell
alcohol.
So
if
they
don't
intend
to
sell
alcohol,
they
would
not
need
a
conditional
use.
So
then
we
wouldn't
have
an
opportunity
to
put
some
of
these
conditions
on
at
a
later
date
and
once
they're
there
they're
there.
A
K
No,
like
the
second,
the
first
one,
the
alcohol
sales
would
have
to
go
before
the
board
of
adjustment.
The
second
one
just
needs
to
be
licensed
by
the
state.
There's
a
game
called
fish
I,
don't
know
if
you've
seen
it
at
other
places
around
town
where
it
can
become
problematic.
If
people
are
loitering
to
play
these
games
of
chance
because
they
can
win
tokens
or
coupons
to
buy
products
at
the
store,
so
those
have
become
problematic,
but
those
do
not
require
any
conditional
use
approvals
or
anything
from
the
board
of
adjustment.
P
K
K
O
G
G
I
think
you
hit
probably
40
to
50
spaces,
but
if
you
really
want
to
but
I
guess,
the
question
is
number
two:
if
we
do
have
public
land
buildings
that
aren't
actually
using
all
their
spaces,
is
it
a
policy
in
the
past
to
actually
count
those
as
usable,
because
I
mean
in
other
jurisdictions,
for
example?
In
you
know,
California
City
Sunnyvale,
for
example,
will
allow
for
public
counting
of
spaces
that
are
under
used
to
be
reduced,
the
number
of
actual
spaces.
We
need
reduce
the
actual
water,
runoff
issues,
height
heat
island
issues.
K
Do
do
that
in
some
places.
I
know
Ingersoll
has
done
that
where,
if
one
prop
one
parking
lot
has
excess
stalls,
we
can
use
some
of
the
those
excess
stalls
to
meet
the
parking
requirements
on
adjoining
properties.
I,
don't
know
that
we
would
do
that
across
19th
Street,
since
19th
Street,
it's
a
pretty
busy
thoroughfare
I.
Don't
think
we
want
to
be
encouraging
more
people
to
cross
there
than
needed,
especially
if
you're
familiar
with
the
intersection
it's
kind
of
yet
wonky.
B
B
I'm,
not
okay
with
that
I.
Don't
think
that
you
should
yeah.
We
can
tell
people
to
carry
on,
but
as
a
black
male
anything
can
be
really
be
labeled
embroidery
and
then
we'll
start
getting
the
police
involved
and
that's
a
whole
other
subject.
So
that's
one
item,
I'm
not
supporting
and
I
would
ask
for
that
to
be
removed.
B
B
Yeah
I
mean
it's
not
even
justifying
I
think
it's
the
policy
of
how
we
label
what
is
loitering.
America
has
a
great
history
of
labeling
black
folks
as
lawyers
or
jaywalkers
and
I.
Think
that's
something
that
we
need
to
address
so
until
that,
until
we
can
come
to
terms
with
that,
I
can't
support
any
type
of
policy.
That's
not
deeply
defined
as
what
is
ordering.
B
G
A
G
B
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
Chris
is
this
the
neighborhood
as
well
it's
off
of
Poa
over
by
a
prominent
black
neighborhood
I'm,
not
okay,
for
it
I'm
just
not
and
I'm,
actually
getting
frustrated
thinking
about
it
I'm.
We
need
to
take
that
off
and
have
another
conversation
about
that.
I'm,
sorry
that
that's
just
not
okay,
I,
I
and
I
know
it's
about
like
a
former
owner.
Let's
address
the
owner.
Let's,
let's
acceptance
that
rule
but
to
broadly
apply
it
and
then
getting
the
police
involved
in
a
black
neighborhood
I'm,
not
okay
with
it
not
at
all.
G
A
Q
Good
evening
Madam,
chair
and
commission
I
am
dhamma
Paula
biku
domapala
is
an
ordination
name
and
biku
describes
my
job
position
more
or
less
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
Noah
newey,
who
is
president
of
the
Cambodian
Buddhist
Society
Incorporated
his
first
language
is
not
English,
and
so
he
he's
been
involved
in
all
of
this
as
have
I
and
so
I'm
I'm.
Speaking
on
his
behalf,
the
Cambodian
Buddhist
Society
is
located
at
1301
19th
Street
I
myself
live
in
West,
Des,
Moines
and
I'm
just
kind
of
here.
As
the
spokesperson.
A
D
Q
As
previously
mentioned,
this
building
is
about
5
000
square
feet,
a
little
more
than
that
and
I
have
been
in
two
conversations
with
the
proposed
buyer,
who
wants
to
put
in
a
grocery
store,
a
grocery
store,
a
Neighborhood
Grocery
Store
and
all
across
the
United
States,
and
in
Canada
Studies
have
been
done.
A
Neighborhood
Grocery
Store
brings
economic
benefit
to
the
neighborhood.
Some
estimates
are
as
high
as
40
plus
percent
of.
What's
spent
at
a
neighboring
grocery
store
stays
in
the
neighborhood.
Q
Q
Socially
people
who
shop
at
a
Neighborhood,
Grocery
Store,
tend
to
get
to
know
each
other.
It
tends
to
build
a
sense
of
community,
it
can
help
unify
a
neighborhood,
and
it's
still
pride
in
the
neighborhood
people
will
begin
to
say
yeah.
This
is
this
is
where
I
live,
so
those
are
some
of
the
benefits
for
it.
The
temple
presently
is
used
fewer
than
25
days
a
year,
the
rest
of
the
time
the
building
is
sitting
empty.
Q
There
is
a
fence
along
running
North
and
South
along
19th
Street.
It
has
been
said
that
Polk
County
is
putting
in
a
sobering
center
and
a
detention
center
for
the
72-hour
mental
health
holds
and
an
issue
was
raised.
Well,
these
people
are
going
to
be
out
on
the
street
all
times
of
day
or
night
and
that's
convenient
to
go
loiter
well.
Q
Q
Q
The
number
of
parking
spaces
I
left
some
papers
at
home,
so
I
don't
have
it,
but
I
think
it's
114
feet
running
east
to
west
along
the
north
side.
That's
how
long
the
building
is
and
that
area
is
already
paved
and
I
don't
have
a
calculator.
But
if
you
divide
114
by
17
feet,
which
is
the
required
width
of
a
parking
area,
you
get
eight
or
nine
or
ten
I'm,
not
too
sure
the
entire
building
would
not
be
the
retail
space.
Q
Q
G
Q
G
K
O
A
F
Q
The
buyers
who
are
proposing
buying
this
building
do
have
a
grocery
store,
some
distance
away.
I,
don't
know
where
exactly,
but
they
had
two
issues
there.
What
I
was
told
one
is
that
the
landlord
is
not
a
good
neighbor
in
the
neighborhood.
The
landlord
excuse
me
is
not
a
good
landlord
that,
when
things
need
to
be
fixed,
the
landlord
doesn't
fix
them
when
things
need
to
be
taken
care
of
around
the
building.
Q
F
Q
You
know
I
might
I've
completed,
76
cheers
one.
We
lived
in
a
a
an
area
of
town,
we
had
an
a
p
and
a
Kroger
and
the
a
p
and
the
Kroger
were
about
the
size
of
this
building
and
they
had
you
know:
Housewives
went
to
the
grocery
store
every
day
and
picked
up
what
they
needed.
It's
kind
of
a
in
my
mind.
This
hasn't
been
said
by
the
owners,
but
in
my
mind
it's
kind
of
a
throwback
to
win.
The
neighborhood
was
the
center
of
your
life,
your
lifestyle,
that's
where
you
lived.
D
K
Q
Q
Q
He
had
proposed
7
A.M
to
8
a
to
8
PM,
but
I'm
sure
he'd
be
comfortable
with
eight.
He
said
you
know,
the
hours
are
flexible,
I
can
live
with
whatever
it
needs
to
be
littering
now
he
said
that
he
goes
out
every
day
at
his
current
place
and
he
picks
up
as
much
of
the
trash
every
morning
as
he
can
and
the
next
morning,
there's
a
whole
bunch
more
there
and
he
goes
out
with
a
garbage
bag
and
picks
it
up.
N
A
A
T
T
You
know
the
king,
Irving
neighborhood
association
has
done
some
preliminary
investigation
and
we
are
not
satisfied
that
this
building
would
be
a
an
asset
to
our
neighborhood.
We
have
been
a
long
time
building
up
and
trying
to
make
our
neighborhood
a
lot
better
and
based
on
what
we
know
about
the
person
who
wants
to
start
this
neighborhood
this
grocery
store.
This
would
not
be
a
positive
influence
to
our
neighbors
and
that's
the
primary,
a
primary
reason
that
our
neighborhood
association
is
against
it.
T
You
should
have
a
letter
that
we,
the
neighborhood
association,
sent
and
also
a
personal
letter
that
I
sent
so
I.
Don't
think
I
need
to
reiterate.
What's
in
those
and
a
couple
of
the
other,
people
probably
have
more
information
on
the
ground,
but
I
just
wanted
to,
as
the
current
vice
president
of
the
king
Irving
neighborhood
association
I
wanted
to
express
our
just
our
desire
not
to
have
this
in
our
neighborhood.
Okay.
A
Thank
you
just
to
let
you
know
the
commission
sees
these
letters
here
tonight.
We
don't
get
Advanced,
we
don't
get
them
in
advance.
The
staff
does
so
if
you'd
like
you've
got
a
few
minutes.
If
you
just
want
to
hit
the
points
that
you
want
to
to
speak
about
because
we
haven't
had
the
chance
to
read,
Commissioners
have
not
had
the
chance
to
read
every
word.
That's
been
presented,
okay
tonight,
so
you
still
have
about
four
minutes.
Left.
Okay,.
T
Well,
the
king,
Irving
neighborhood
association
supports
keeping
the
current
zoning
in
order
to
maintain
the
character
of
the
immediate
area
and
protect
large
parts
of
your
joining
blocks,
which
are
zoned
in
SK
and
comprises
almost
exclusively
of
single-family.
Homes.
Habitat
for
Humanity
is
interested
in
building
single
family
homes
on
this
and
row
houses
on
this
site
and
they
would
not
require
rezoning.
T
The
person
wanted
to
open
this
door,
Share
Plans,
to
have
the
store
open,
very
late
on
the
weekends.
His
current
store
is
open
par,
past,
11
pm
and
maybe
later
on
the
weekends.
When
a
member
of
King
Irving
drove
to
the
current
store
operated
by
the
man
who
wants
to
operate
this
store,
loitering
was
a
parent
drug
deal
was
witnessed.
T
The
Des
Moines
Public
police
department
has
reported
that
there
was
a
shooting
at
or
near
the
currently
operated
store
in
the
past
few
weeks,
as
well
as
payments
and
cash
for
payouts
from
electronic
gaming
machines
at
the
store,
which
is
not
allowed,
King
Irving
is
not
in
need
of
a
grocery
store
at
this
location.
Lutheran
Social
Services
will
be
having
a
farmers
market
across
the
street
at
the
health
center
Health
Department.
T
T
We
are
concerned
that
the
mix
of
sobering
center
and
Behavioral
Health
Mental
Health
Urgent
Care
Center,
that
is
planned
for
across
the
street,
will
not
be
healthy
for
those
patients
with
addictions
and
mental
health
issues,
as
they
leave
the
clinic
and
Sovereign
center
with
the
kind
of
activity
that
takes
place
at
the
store
currently
operated
by
the
man
who
wants
to
operate
this
one.
We
could
not.
We
could
see
much
loitering
illegal
activity
and
enticements
for
patients
being
released
from
that
from
The
Sovereign
Center,
none
of
which
is
healthy
for
the
patients
or
residents.
T
A
A
U
We
have
pretty
extensive
plans
in
place
for
security
in
the
building,
as
well
as
Transportation
upon
discharge
of
those
individuals,
but
are
concerned
if
there
were
ever
to
be
liquor
sales
at
that
property
that
that
would
be
kind
of
in
opposition
to
the
intended
use
of
that
property.
The
east
side
of
that
building,
1914
Carpenter.
We
are
in
the
process
of
creating
what
we're
calling
a
Welcome
Center,
so
a
resource
hub
for
immigrant
and
Refugee
families
where
they
can
access
basic
needs.
Social
Services
we're
really
envisioning
a
really
vibrant
Hub
of
activity.
U
There
lots
of
new
Greenery
planted
on
that
block
lots
of
art
on
the
exterior
of
that
building,
as
well
as
just
kind
of
a
general
uplift
of
that
whole
block.
So
as
they
noted
also
allowing
the
use
of
LSI
of
the
health
department
parking
lot
for
every
Saturday
farmers
market
during
the
summer.
So
we're
really
doing
a
lot
to
invest
in
that
block
and
make
it
kind
of
a
vibrant
Hub
of
services
and
activities
both
for
people
who
need
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services,
but
also
for
families,
including
children.
U
So
our
opposition
is
really
just
based
on
some
of
what
we
heard
about
the
operations
of
the
proposed
operator
at
their
current
site.
We
appreciate
the
conditions
that
staff
is
recommending.
You
know
we'd
love
to
see
a
grocery
store
there
or
something
that
supports
the
neighborhood,
but
again
limiting
it
to
no
alcohol
sales.
You
know
and
just
really
making
sure
that
there's
not
going
to
be
issues
at
that
site
that
conflict
with
what
we're
doing
at
1900,
Carpenter
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
those
plans
or.
U
I
think
it
depends
on
what
the
the
owner
operator
is
I,
think
in
general,
a
grocery
store.
Yes
without
liquor
sales
without
gambling
without
the
loitering
is
fine.
I
think
our
concern
still
lies
in
the
fact
that
this
owner
is,
you
know,
allegedly
has
another
property
that
does
have
those
issues.
So
if
those
issues
are
mitigated-
and
you
know
written
in
stone
and
that
this
is
never
going
to
turn
into
one
of
those
I
think
we
would
could
be
supportive
of
a
grocery
store
concept.
G
U
We
we
really
want
to
see
that
site
become
a
place
where
families
can
go
to
Services.
A
Casey
store
would
obviously
be
selling
liquor
tobacco
products
things
of
that
nature.
So
we
want
to
see
that
be
something
that
fits
in
with
the
neighborhood,
what
their
needs
are
and
that
support
kind
of
that
that
location,
where
we're
trying
to
help
families
access
services
like
substance,
abuse,
Services
mental
health
services
and
just
helping
families
meet
their
basic
needs.
Yeah.
G
So
we
talk
about
Vibrant,
Community
Center
right
because
I'm
thinking
of
like
ekd
is
a
great
resource
for
the
community.
That
does
a
lot
with
individuals
who
are
unhoused
out
of
work,
all
kinds
of
other
issues.
Many
have
substance,
abuse
issues
or
other
types
of
economic
financial
literacy
issues
there,
which
is
right
next
to
see
fresh
grocery,
which
also
I
think
has
alcohol.
What's
different.
U
V
V
The
I'm,
the
one
along
with
Denise,
who
got
the
petitions
I,
would
say
50
to
maybe
80
of
the
households
that
I
knocked
on
were
immigrants
and
they're
there,
because
they
feel
welcome
and
because
it's
affordable
and
because
they
feel
safe,
they
go
to
King
School,
their
kids
walk
to
school.
They
walk
all
around
where
we
live
right
now,
and
they
want
to
continue
for
that.
For
our
neighborhood
to
feel
like
a
place.
V
V
I
talked
to
the
mechanical
engineer
who
looked
at
that
site
on
behalf
of
the
seller
and
the
wood
Visa
operator.
He
said
that
meeting
code
to
operate
a
grocery
store
at
that
site
was
not
financially
feasible.
The
building
has
an
adequate
Electrical,
Service,
Plumbing,
handicapped
accessibility
and
parking.
V
She
would
not
give
me
the
names
because
they
did
not
want
us
to
know
who
they
were
and
I
I
visited,
I've
driven
that
by
that
store
about
nine
times
in
the
last
week,
including
three
times
on
Friday
night
I
saw
people
loitering
there.
All
the
time
I
saw
a
person
come
out
of
store
at
11
o'clock
at
night,
who
had
been
there
at
nine
and
go
put
some
kind
of
transaction
with
someone
who
parked
in
front
of
the
store-
and
there
was
a
handoff
I
mean
I,
didn't
try
and
buy
anything
myself.
V
I,
don't
know
what
it
was,
but
it
didn't.
It
looked
very
suspicious.
If
you
go
in
the
store
there's
there
are
no
groceries.
There
are
electronic
gaming
machines.
There
are
a
little
rack
of
clothing
here
and
maybe
a
few
canned
goods.
It's
not
a
grocery
store,
it's
not
even
a
convenience
store.
It's
a
gambling
store
and
I
understand
that
there
have
been
other
that
guy
at
another
site,
apparently
where
he
had
the
same
problem
and
was
shut
down.
V
Have
one
more
minute:
okay,
so
when
I
I
I've
talked
with
the
Des
Moines
Police
Department,
and
that
the
site
that's
currently
operated
is
a
problem
site
they've
had
drug
paraphernalia,
they
had
a
shooting
and
they
had
misuse
of
the
gambling
equipment.
That
was
there
in
terms
of
pay
out
what
was
being
paid
out
cash
instead
of
the
vouchers
so
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think.
V
V
C
K
K
I
mean
I
defer
to
Legal
staff
was
really
basing
our
decision.
Our
recommendation
just
on
the
fact
that
that
property
is
really
small
and
really
close
to
housing
right
there
and
that
it
wouldn't
take
much
to
become
a
nuisance
for
those
houses
if
the
business
does
go
sideways.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So,
like
you
said,
staff
really
can't
base
our
recommendation
on
hearsay
of
them
operating
another
business
at
another
location,
but
at
the
same
hand
we
can
in
good
conscious,
like
maybe
make
it
easy
for
a
similar
business
to
go
in
at
this
location.
F
W
Go
yeah
go
ahead:
I'm
Donna,
Ruth,
Berry
I'm
over
1339
19th
Street
and
own
1333
19th
Street,
both
of
which
the
back
end
is
on
the
Alley
that
is
involved
in
the
prospective
change
of
zoning.
There
are
each
lot
as
a
hundred
and
it's
50
feet
across
132
and
a
half
feet
long.
The
alley
is
10.
Foot
across
I
have
lived
there
for
47
years
when
I
moved
in
that
building
was
Barbara's,
bake
shop
and.
W
W
We
have
grocery
stores
at
801,
University,
1251,
University,
1621,
University,
1217,
Forest,
2009
forest
and
2009
Forest.
So
we
do
not
lack
grocery
stores
and
LSi
with
your
your
guys.
Blessing
is
going
to
have
a
Saturday's
farmer
market
across
the
street,
on
19th
Street
for
the
next
five
years
and
darts
on
demand
door
by
Door
Service
created
a
dog
leg
so
that
you
could
get
to
a
HyVee
at
Martin,
Luther,
King,
I,
always
call
it
Harding
Hills,
but
at
the
bottom
of
Martin
Luther
King
before
you
get
to
Douglas.
W
W
Okay,
now
I've
got
copies.
If
you
guys
want
to
look
at
them
versus
my
vision,
doesn't
let
me
read
it
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
that
problem.
Okay,
here
we
go
now
as
far
as
often
in
legal
papers,
it
is
said
the
best
predictor
of
the
future
is
the
past,
which
is
why
we
are
talking
about
what
the
person
who
was
introduced
to
us
at
the
public
meeting
was
going
to
be
the
operator
of
the
grocery
store.
It's
on
East
Nine.
W
If
you
go
up
north
on
East
9
across
hall,
there's
a
little
collection
of
run
down
buildings,
that's
where
his
present
grocery
store
is
at
and
and
my
housemate
Steve
described
it
as
a
building
that
was
full
of
things
that
fell
off
the
truck.
Now
he
he
wasn't
talking
about
thievery
so
much
as
it
was
Salvage
where
they
they
sell.
Different
companies
buy
a
broken
containers
and
sell
them
out
to
Merchants.
So
anyway,
number
one
I
think
we're
being
lied
to
and
that
lie
is
once
this
rezoning
happens.
W
They
don't
have
to
have
a
grocery
store.
They
can
have
any
kind
of
business.
That
is
a
small
Commercial
Business
and
they
don't
have
to
come
back
to
you
guys
and
they
told
us
at
the
open
meeting,
and
there
was
a
136
years
of
the
four
people
who
attended
that
meeting,
all
of
which
are
here
today.
Together
we
have
lived
on
that
block
for
136
Years
anyway.
At
that
time
they
talked
about
the
owner
of
the
grocery
store,
but
in
the
ladder
summarizing
the
meeting,
it's
become
plural.
W
Now
they
never
said
one
word
about
vaping
and
no
one
who
wants
their
children
to
grow
up
healthy,
wants
a
place.
That's
convenient
to
get
vaping
products.
Okay.
Now,
if
you
look
at
your
picture
on
the
back
of
the
notice
and
they
show
the
intersection
all
the
words
that
are
the
19th
in
the
Carpenter
and
the
Keel-
that's
what
that
intersection
is
like
now.
What
this
doesn't
show
is
there's
raised
concrete,
Borders
or
barriers
here
and
there.
So
you
do
not
have
open
access
on
that
intersection.
W
All
right,
no
vehicle
can
enter,
kill
to
go
East
to
downtown
if
they
start
out
in
front
of
the
Cambodian
Temple.
No
one
going
east
on
Carpenter
can
continue
East
on
Carpenter
after
Crossing
19th
Street.
Only
with
luck
and
great
care
can
a
vehicle
cross
the
intersection
to
go
West
on
Carpenter.
Now
why
our
traffic
department
wouldn't
think
this
was
a
problem.
I
don't
know
now
the
alley
got
lots
of
story
about
that
out
of
five
months
is
up
I'm
done.
A
W
X
X
I
have
asked
them
to
move
the
pal
of
sticks
from
the
storm
that
we
had
in
2020
they're.
Still
there
like
I,
said
I,
just
don't
think
it'd
be
a
good
place.
I
wouldn't
buy
the
other
store
that
he
owns.
I
was
afraid
to
go
in
because
of
the
lottery
that
was
on
the
outside,
so
I
didn't
get
to
see
the
inside
of
it
and,
like
I,
said
I'm
just
concerned
about
the
school
kids.
X
No,
no
there's
that
now
that
now
there's
a
grocery
store
like
I
said
on
Fourth,
like
the
lady
said,
there's
a
grocery
store
up
on
Forest
Avenue,
there's
two
on
Forest
Avenue!
So
there's
quite
a
few
stores
in
the
neighborhood
small
stores,
I,
don't
think
and
I'm
not
going
to
feel
safe
in
my
home
number.
One
I
will
not
feel
safe
in
my
home
when
we
had
the
meeting
the
first
meeting,
he
said
he
wanted
to
be
open
until
11
o'clock.
X
A
Y
Hello,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Andres
Rodriguez
I
am
at
1812
Forest
Ave,
the
north
East
or
northwest
corner
of
this
block.
I
use
that
alley
every
day.
I
want
to
just
add
my
two
cents.
I
use
that
alley
every
day.
The
intersection
that
I
am
on
is
a
mess.
I've
witnessed
countless
accidents,
the
southern
corner
of
that
block,
where
the
Keo
and
Carpenter
is
another
mess.
Y
Z
Z
I,
don't
feel
it's
a
good
idea:
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
safe
and
depending
on
when
they
were
shopping
or
whatever.
It
would
be
dangerous
for
the
kids.
Sorry
to
say
that
parents
of
King's
school
park
in
the
vacant
lot
by
my
house
or
in
the
alley
or
in
my
driveway,
but
we
won't
discuss
that
and
I
just
think
it
would
they
need
to
do
something
about
trafficking
in
that
that
alley,
if
they're
going
to
use
it
as
a
entrance
or
an
extra
sit
for
this
store.
I
am
against
the
store.
Z
I,
don't
think
we
need
it.
I've
lived
in
my
house
for
18
18
years
and,
as
I
said,
there's
plenty
of
little
gross
I
love
stores
or
grocery
stores,
most
people
when
they
want
a
grocery
shop,
they
go
to
HyVee,
they
go
to
HyVee
drug
town
and
for
the
best
meet
they
go
to
Fairway
and
I.
Just
don't
think,
there's
any
Plus.
Z
How
can
they
move
a
grocery
store
into
a
building?
That's,
in
my
opinion,
decrepitated
it's
falling
apart.
It's
disgusting
I
mean
myself
and
my
niece.
We
walk
this
neighborhood
I'm
a
little
overweight,
so
I
have
to,
but
we
do
it
through
exercise.
We
walk
all
the
way
down.
Fourth,
to
16th,
we
walk
to
that
little
screen,
I'm,
not
sure
which
one
it
is
and
we
walk
all
the
way
up,
and
then
we
walk
up
Carpenter
and
then
down
19th
back
to
our
house.
Z
A
A
AA
AA
Let
you
know
that
there
is
neighborhood
here
and
they
do
care
about
what
goes
in
here.
I.
Do
think
that
it's
also
interesting
or
I
would
like
to
see
the
owners
that
they're
actually
interested
in
conducting
business
here.
If
it's
such
a
great
idea,
I
think
they
would
have
brought
that
to
the
neighbors
I
know,
there's
that
little
bit
of
area
that
they
that
they
spoke
to,
but
to
the
larger
neighborhood
who's
going
to
be
affected
by
that
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
idea.
AA
A
H
AA
Don't
believe
that
they
would
honestly,
just
you
know.
Another
thing
too
is
I
was
looking
at
the
this
idea
of
the
the
store
and,
if
you
have
a
storefront
things
happen
in
front
of
a
store,
but
if
all
the
businesses
coming
in
through
the
back
in
the
alley
behind
the
store,
it's
another
different
type
of
thing.
So,
if
you're
driving
past,
you
may
not
see
what's
actually
being
happening
back
in
the
back
backyard.
Basically.
O
A
AB
AB
A
L
There's
some
construction
that
will
go
in
as
we
build
up
Dogtown
in
the
Drake
neighborhood
and
Halal
grocery
will
actually
move
from
the
25th
Street
kind
of
away
from
University
closer
to
the
university
storefront
on
that
block,
and
so
I
also
think
if
there
is
a
need
for
a
grocery
store,
we
have
a
well-established
grocery
store
who's
built,
a
relationship
with
the
neighborhood.
When
you
talk
about
families
accessing
that
area
and
being
able
to
access
grocery
that'll,
be
a
really
great
addition
towards
the
end
of
Dogtown.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
general
information.
L
Q
I
want
to
thank
everybody
who
was
here
who
expressed
their
opinions,
and
we
heard
a
lot
of
opinions.
We
heard
a
lot
of
speculation
well
what?
If?
What
if
in
the
future,
they
decide
to
sell
alcohol?
What
if
this
store
fails
and
the
zoning
has
changed?
Who
knows
what's
going
to
do
in
there?
What
if
the
traffic
increases?
What?
If
what?
If
what?
If
what?
If
I
haven't
seen
any
data
that
any
of
those
things
they're
possibilities,
and
we
have
to
acknowledge
that
those
are
possibilities.
Q
Q
One
of
the
parties
who's
here
tonight
called
me
on
the
phone
and
and
I
didn't
have
the
paper
in
front
of
me,
but
I
said:
if
you
will
look
on
the
sign
in
sheet
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
and
I
didn't
remember
his
name,
I
said
I.
Think
it's
something
like
Swami
or
sawali,
or
something
and
and
if
you
look
he
signed
in
and
there's
his
name
and
his
address
and
his
phone
number
I,
don't
know
what
the
ethical
rules
are
for
realtors,
whether
they
can
give
out
the
names
and
addresses
of
prospective
buyers.
Q
Q
I
gotta
say
it
is
horrible.
The
the
the
monks
residents
is
on
18th,
Street
and
I.
Don't
know
the
exact
address,
but
it's
like
three
or
four
houses
south
of
forest
and
that
that
alley
is
a
mess.
I
mean
there
are
huge
potholes
in
there
I'm,
not
too
sure
that
the
whole
alley
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
new
owners
of
that
property.
Q
Q
Q
So
I'd
really
like
you
all
to
consider
the
benefits,
as
well
as
the
possible
detriments
to
the
neighborhood,
the
economic
benefits
and
again
this
loitering
thing
and
they're
talking
about
the
county,
putting
a
facility
they're
putting
in
newer
facilities
across
the
street
people
coming
out
and
loitering.
If
there
are
people
at
the
grocery
store
and
if
there
are
customers
going
in
and
out,
there's
less
likely
just
to
be
loitering
by
these
people.
Q
Q
Q
A
A
B
Yeah
I
think
there
is
enough
Community
concern
that
the
owner
needs
to
be
in
the
house.
I
understand
life
happens,
but
I
I
I
need
to
hear
from
the
owner.
I
think
the
community
needs
to
hear
from
the
owner.
I
have
some
questions
now.
I
know:
Des
Moines
has
plenty
of
food
deserts
and
we
do
need
grocery
stores.
B
But
if
he's
running
a
business
that
that
has
a
certain
type
of
behavior,
that's
consistently
going
on
and
he's
not
changing,
Behavior,
then
that's
a
problem.
The
loitering
doesn't
bother
me
because
I
onto
some
some
equity-based
stuff
that
doesn't
bother
me,
but
if
he's
operating
a
business
in
a
way
that
produces
a
certain
type
of
behavior,
that's
an
that's
the
issue,
so
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
owner
and
until
then
I
think
we
need
to
push
this
off
until
our
next
meeting.
Okay.
G
Yes,
I
have
a
I
guess.
It
sounds
I.
Think
I
agree
very
aggressively
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
facts
on
who
any
of
these
individuals
are
right.
I
mean
it
sounds
like
we're.
Talking
about
you
know
a
grocery
store
with
a
noted
location.
The
assessor's
office
seems
to
indicate
is
owned
by
Clayton
Enterprises
Waukee,
although
that
business
doesn't
exist
in
the
state
of
Iowa,
so
I
guess
I
agree
with
you.
It's
unclear
who
actually
owns
this
and
as
someone
who
lives
next
to
a
absentee
landlord
I
guess
I
have
sympathy
for
unresponsive.
G
Landlords
number
one,
so
I'm
not
entirely
sure
that
we
can
actually
pin
if
they
are
in
that
building
with
someone
who
doesn't
actually
live
there.
You
know
that
piece,
I'm,
sensitive,
flexible
to
right,
I'm,
very
concerned
I'm,
not
entirely
sure
and
I.
Think
I'm,
echoing
something
that
Francis
has
said
in
past
meetings
that
I'm
not
entirely
sure
it's
our
role
to
determine
whether
a
business
which
I'm
also
aggressively
opposed
to
you
know
implementing
restrictions
on
it.
At
this
stage,
it's
not
a
role
to
determine
whether
business
is
set
to
you
know,
succeed
or
fail
right.
G
I
mean
I
could
see
Economic
Development
be
interested,
that
I
could
see
the
internet
panel
being
that
fine,
but
we're
not
here
to
pick
winners
and
losers
of
business
and
I'm
fundamentally
opposed
to
that
function
of
what
we're
doing
here,
because
that
makes
no
sense
right.
We
see
plenty
proposals
from
Plenty
of
developers
putting
up
overpriced
houses
and
apartments
that
are
that
are
not
going
to
go
for
that
price,
and
we
do
not
even
get
the
chance
to
argue
whether
or
not
those
are
going
to
succeed
tying
into
that
is.
G
We
even
did
a
carpenter
urban
renewal
plan
that
told
us
that
that
plan
is
specifically
designed
to
facilitate
this
kind
of
development,
so
we're
actually
going
off
to
the
state
and
saying
hey.
We
want
Tiff
dollars
to
invest
than
this
type
of
business,
and
now
that
type
of
business
comes
up
and
say:
oh
no,
we
can't
do
that
right
and
it
feels
a
little
like
we're
doing
that
on
the
grounds
that
you
know
we're
putting
a
lot
of
requirements
on
a
property
at
the
wrong
stage
in
the
process.
G
Based
on
what,
if
you're
going
to
be
cynical,
feels
a
little
bit
like
an
unnamed
Muslims
doing
things,
we
don't
really
know
what
they're
going
to
do
when
they
buy
it,
and
that
just
seems
you
know
morally
problematic
as
well.
In
addition
to
what's
outside
the
scope
of
what
we're
doing
we're
talking
about
Germain
I.
G
Don't
even
think
this
proposals
are
germane
to
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing,
which
is
why
I'd
be
aggressively
opposed
to
3,
4,
6
and
7,
and
now,
if
we're
even
saying
that
number
one
is
trying
to
include
substances,
we
don't
even
know
are
going
to
be
legal
someday
in
the
state.
That
seems
ridiculous,
like
this
just
seems
like
the
wrong
place
to
implement
the
wrong
thing
based
off
conjecture
and
the
only
things
that
aren't
conjecture.
If
we
can
even
identify
we've
even
arrived
at
the
right.
C
K
You
know
we
can't
speculate
if
yes,
this
bad
operator
at
this
other
location,
they're
going
to
move
here.
We
can't
because
you're
right
they
can,
even
if
they
do,
they
could
go
out
of
business
next
week
and
another
person
can
move
in.
So
our
conditions
are
really
just
geared
at
making
sure
that
whatever
goes
in,
there
doesn't
become
a
problem
for
those
houses
that
are
really
close,
but.
G
I,
don't
think
that
the
Halal
store
on
25th,
which
I
think
is
the
same
size
or
smaller,
has
been
successfully
operating
our
community
for
over
25
years.
This
is,
you
know.
We
shop
there
regularly
I
can't
say
that
all
of
a
sudden
now
this
place
over
here,
which
is
supposed
to
be,
you
know,
across
the
street,
from
a
Vibrant
Community
Center,
supposedly,
if
it
is
actually
our
only
other
reference
point
for
that
is
ekd,
which
is
next
door
to
a
Vibrant
Community.
You
know
vibrant
community-based
business
in
a
grocery
store
a
lot
larger.
G
N
Well,
my
opinion
is:
there
are
too
many
unanswered
questions
here.
I
think
the
neighbors
who
actually
live
in
the
neighborhood
are
strongly
opposed
to
this.
They
proposed
buyer
is
not
present.
I.
Think
someone
coming
up
requesting
a
zoning
change
should
affirmatively
present
their
case.
It's
not
presented
here
and
I
would
vote
in
denying
the
change
the
zoning
on
this
and
that
make
that
motion.
H
K
Since
more
than
20
of
the
property
owners
have
registered
an
opposition,
it
will
trigger
a
super
majority
vote
at
Council
to
pass
meaning
six
of
the
seven
council
members
would
have
to
vote
affirmatively
for
the
zoning
to
pass
and
in
the
sixth
seventh
vote
would
also
be
required
if
the
commission
would
say
recommend
denial.
If
the
commission
recommends
denial
of
a
rezoning,
then
that
also
would
trigger
a
super
majority
vote
by
Council
in.
K
H
K
The
percentage
is
based
on
the
area
of
land
that
they
own
so
like
they're
since
they're
the
biggest
landowner
they
by
far
account
for
the
most
of
the
62.41.
That
has
rest.
What
was
that
yeah?
Okay,
if
Tyler
says
they
represent
35
of
that
62,
but
even
if
you
took
Polk
County
out,
there
would
still
be
27
opposition,
which
would
also
still
trigger
a
super
majority
vote.
B
Yeah,
because
whoever
expresses
it
on
top
is
continuing
to
say
that
it's
a
grocery
store,
if
we're
denying
alcohol
sales,
tobacco
sales
and
gambling.
That
indeed
sounds
like
a
grocery
store,
so
I
feel,
like
I,
think
the
community
deserves
anti.
That's
what
I'm
saying
I
want
the
honor
here
to
tell
me
what
is
going
in
there.
A
A
F
K
A
B
A
When
all
accessory
structures
are
required
to
have
a
five
foot
side
yard
set
back
to
allow
a
drive-through
facility
to
be
visible
from
a
primary
Street
and
exist
on
screen
by
a
building
when
this
is
not
permitted
and
to
waive
the
requirement
to
install
a
public
sidewalk
for
the
full
extent
of
the
site.
Frontage
and
Nick
tarpey
from
staff
is
here
to
present.
AC
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpy
planning
staff,
so
just
to
try
to
break
down
the
design
Alternatives
that
are
in
front
of
us
tonight.
The
first
three
really
involved
this.
The
sighting
of
the
new
drive-through
facility,
Part
D,
really
has
to
do
with
the
sidewalk,
so
I'll
try
to
break
those
down
and
then
just
some
background
too.
That
I
want
to
give
the
commission
back
in
November
of
2022.
AC
There
was
an
amendment
that
was
proposed
to
chapter
135
of
city
code
that
allowed
the
placement
of
accessory
structures
in
any
district
with
the
type
2
design
alternative.
So
previously
there
were
certain
accessory
structures
that
were
limited
in
certain
certain
zoning
districts.
So
if
people
wanted
to
construct
or
place
an
accessory
structure
in
specific
zoning
districts,
they
would
have
had
to
rezone
properties
to
do
that.
The
code
change
allowed
that
to
happen
with
a
type
2
design
alternative,
as
opposed
to
a
rezoning,
changing
the
entire
zoning
designation
of
the
property.
AC
AC
So
here's
an
aerial
the
site
showing
the
context,
the
site
situated
in
the
Eastern
fringes
of
the
East
Village
neighborhood.
So
it's
at
the
corner
generally
at
the
corner
of
East
Court
and
East
6th
Street.
This
is
the
existing
building
again
as
part
of
this
initial
phase,
one
this
initial
building,
this
existing
building
would
not
be
touched.
The
site
development
area-
and
you
might
have
noticed
it
in
your
map,
is,
is
really
focused
on
this
parcel
and
specifically
the
Eastern
edge
of
this
parcel
here.
Facing
East
7th
Street.
AC
So
we
can
come
back
to
this,
but
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
here's
some
photos
of
the
existing
site.
These
were
taken
this
week
on
Monday
the
glare's
bad
here,
but
this
is
on
East
7th
Street,
looking
West
towards
downtown.
You
can
see
that
this
exists.
The
existing
width
of
the
lot
is
about
50
feet.
Here's
the
existing
building,
that's
in
a
tough
Shadow
back
here,
and
then
this
parcel
here
is
owned
by
the
bar
association
and
you
have
the
rail
spur
here
to
the
South.
AC
It's
another
view
of
the
site,
just
from
the
north,
a
little
bit
less
of
a
glare.
This
is
taken
internal
to
the
site,
looking
towards
the
east.
So
really,
this
area
here
is
really
the
area
of
site
development
that
we're
talking
about
just
another
view
from
the
sidewalk
looking
South
towards
the
tracks.
AC
So
here's
a
layout
plan
generally
shows
you
again
in
this
phase,
one
how
this
would
be
laid
out
and
constructed
this
area
here.
If
you're
following
my
cursor,
this
is
the
proposed
location
of
the
facility.
It's
it's
a
canopy
type
facility
and
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
describe
in
a
little
bit
more
detail,
but
from
my
understanding
is
an
itm,
it's
kind
of
like
an
ATM,
but
it's
a
little
bit
more
interactive.
So
it's
like
you
pull
you're
pulling
up
to
the
ATM
and
you
got
somebody
on
FaceTime.
AC
AC
Here's
a
site
plan
I'm
of
the
larger
site,
so
this
would
be
like
the
phase
two.
The
the
applicant
is
noted.
This
phase
one
here
in
the
lower
right
hand
corner
this
is
the
the
new
building
that
would
be
proposed
and
then
here's
just
some
renderings.
That
would
show
what
that
would
look
like
at
the
corner
there,
so
digging
into
the
staff
report
here.
AC
Some
things
that
I
wanted
to
point
out
and
I
already
talked
about
the
context,
a
little
bit
so
staff.
We
had
a
few
things
to
consider.
Like
I
said
this
was
really
the
first
one
of
these
that
had
popped
up,
so
we
wanted
to
try
to
wrestle
with
it
a
little
bit
and
really
there
was
some
key
criteria
that
we
looked
at
when
we
evaluated
this
request
here,
number
one:
there's
a
drive-through
facility
that
already
exists
at
the
site.
It's
there,
it's
a
strat,
it's
at
the
corner
within
the
existing
building.
AC
It's
not
really
developed
in
an
urban
cross-section
and
the
area
is
really
full
of
an
Eclectic
mix
of
users.
So
it's
got
some
Legacy
Industrial
users
there's
some
making
lots.
There's
real
rail,
right-of-way
office
users
parking
lots
things
like
that.
Also
this
developable
area
that
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
develop
here,
50
feet
wide.
There's
a
rail
spur
directly
adjacent
to
it
and
then
again
thinking
about
that
phase.
Two
thinking
about
that
trying
to
visualize
that
a
new
building
plus
the
existing
building
would
fully
screen
this
from
Eastport
Avenue
at
full,
build
out.
AC
So,
given
all
that
conceptual
information
as
staff,
we
have
decided
to
support
the
design
alternative
requests
in
part
a
through
b
that
I
talked
about
at
the
initial
start
of
the
presentation
here.
Subject
are
some
some
conditions
that
I'll
talk
about
here
in
a
second
and
then
related
to
the
sidewalk
element
as
staff
as
part
of
our
sidewalk
analysis
policy.
Whenever
you
install
a
sidewalk,
you
got
to
install
it
through
the
entirety
of
the
frontage.
AC
The
applicant
has
reached
some
concerns
that
there
would
be
some
maybe
conflicts
when
eventually,
a
sidewalk
crossing
over
a
railroad
would
be
installed
as
planning
staff,
we
consulted
with
traffic
staff,
and
that's
not
there's
not
really
an
issue
with
that
and
then
also
just
something
that
I
want
to
point
out
too.
If
there
was
ever
to
be
a
sidewalk
constructed
over
the
existing
rail
spur,
that
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
city.
That
would
not
be
the
applicant
that
would
be
undertaking
that.
So.
For
that
reason,
we
don't
support
that
design.
AC
Alternative
request
to
partially
waive
the
sidewalk
construction
out
front
there,
so
digging
in
the
staff
recommendation.
This
is
where
it
gets
to
those
conditions,
and
you
might
remember
in
your
report,
but
I'll
go
through
them
again.
So,
regarding
the
the
sighting
of
the
itm
facility
as
staff,
we
do
support
the
design
alternative
requests
for
the
placement
for
the
setbacks
within
the
property.
However,
the
the
key
condition
or
the
Crux
of
the
recommendation
really
falls
on
that
phase.
AC
Two
site
plan
that
we
glanced
at
earlier
as
staff
we're
requesting
that
that
phase
to
the
development
which
will
come
before
the
Commission
in
a
couple
months
be
fully
reviewed
and
approved
before
any
building
permits
are
issued
for
the
construction
of
this
drive-through
facility
and
then
also
in
Consulting
with
our
building
code
staff.
There
were
some
concerns
about
regarding
the
separation
of
this
proposed
drive
through
facility
from
property
lines.
Really
it's
a
matter
of
a
couple
of
feed.
It's
nothing
that
would
really
dramatically
alter
or
change
what's
proposed,
but
really
just
we're.
AC
AC
F
J
AC
D
AC
AC
As
again
so
as
part
of
this
is
a
phase,
one
of
of
this
site
plan,
so
at
the
site
area
is,
is
generally
this
area
this
parcel
here,
and
so
yes,
as
part
of
phase
one,
no
curb
Cuts
would
be
eliminated.
They
would
add
one
on
each
seventh
year,
but
that's
something
we
would
evaluate
as
part
of
phase
two
of
the
site
plan.
We
would
evaluate
the
existing
curb
Cuts
as
part
of
that.
A
AC
Of
stuff,
for
it,
I
don't
understand,
thought
about
it
and
placing
a
drive-through
facility
downtown.
We
wanted
to
see
a
larger
kind
of
more
comprehensive
development
before
we
allowed
a
standalone
drive-through
facility,
you
know
to
operate
in
conjunction
with
an
existing
one-story
building
on
a
corner
lot
in
East,
Village
and
kind
of
a
Edge
downtown
context,
and
so
as
staff.
The
basis
of
that
recommendation
was
having
more
certainty
that
that
more
robust,
larger
development
would
also
be
coming
along,
along
with
the
allowance
for
a
drive-through
facility.
Does
that
make
sense?
It.
AC
AC
F
M
We
want
to
do
the
first
phase
first,
and
we
want
to
get
all
of
that
built
because
we
can't
operate
while
we
tear
the
building
down.
So
the
itm
machines
are
actually
interactive,
teller
machines.
So
during
banking
hours
anybody
can
go
up
and
do
99
of
anything
that
you
could
do
when
you
walk
into
a
bank
or
into
a
credit
union.
So
you
can
pull
up
to
those
units
you
can.
M
You
know
talk
to
somebody
there's
people
in
our
call
center
that
come
up
on
screen
and
you
show
your
driver's
license
and
you
go
through
the
whole
process,
but
we
want
to
have
time
to
educate
our
members
how
to
use
those
drive-throughs
before
we
tear
the
building
down.
We
are
absolutely
100
percent.
We
don't
like
the
curb
cut
that
is
there
existing
in
the
front.
We
don't
like
the
building.
M
M
M
We
primarily
already
have
a
tenant
for
the
top
floor,
but
we're
trying
to
finalize
all
the
details
of
finishes
and-
and
we
had
ideas
about
changing
the
interior,
to
itm
units
versus
standard
people
tellers,
but
we've
gone
back
to
we're
doing
teller
stations
traditional.
We
are
a
proponent
of
if
you're
going
to
get
in
your
car.
M
Sometimes
you
do
want
to
see
a
person
you
want
to
come
in
and
you
want
to
interact,
and
this
neighborhood
is
definitely
Hispanic
and
our
tellers
are
Hispanic
or
speak
Spanish
and
we're
trying
to
stay
as
part
of
the
community.
So
we're
we're
in
the
process
of
just
finalizing
all
of
the
floor
plans
and
figuring
out
how
much
space
we
want
on
the
first
floor
and
all
of
that
so.
J
M
Like
I
said,
the
goal
is
to
do
the
drive-through
Lanes
now
get
those
operational
train.
Have
the
staff
train
members
be
out
there
in
the
in
the
as
soon
as
we
can
get
it
built?
If,
hopefully,
the
weather's
decent,
we'll
be
out
there
with
the
members
showing
them
how
to
use
them,
and
then
we
will
get
the
permit
for
the
building
and
and
then
transfer
those
folks
over
to
Middle
Civic
or
what's
our
other
Branch,
they
might
have
to
work
out
apply
temporarily.
M
J
M
J
M
J
M
AD
M
F
J
M
AE
The
consultant
for
these
guys,
justinstrom2727
Southwest
Snyder
Boulevard,
just
wanted
to
answer
a
couple
of
additional
questions
on
the
curb
Cuts
on
6th
Street.
There's
only
one
access
we're
in
this
phase
we're
leaving
it
alone.
That's
one
of
our
primary
accesses
to
the
itms
in
the
master,
build
we're
just
shifting
it
South
a
little
bit
to
more
in
line.
So
the
drive-through
is
straight
east
west.
On
the
North
side.
Right
now,
there's
currently
three
accesses
to
Collins
and
one
to
the
bar
association.
AE
So
ultimately,
there'll
be
one
access
on
court,
as
opposed
to
three
now
over
on
Seventh.
Yes,
there
is
the
existing
Bar
Association.
We
are
working
to
purchase
that
50-foot
parcel
and
right
now
as
Standalone,
that
would
be
a
50-foot
parcel
with
no
accesses
and
it
would
be
granted
the
ability
to
have
an
access,
so
it
wouldn't
be
different
if
somebody
Standalone
came
in
and
developed
that
they
would
have
to
be
given
the
right
to
have
that
access.
So
it
also
has
just
one-way
traffic
on
that
access
to.
AE
So
it's
not
as
much
of
a
conflict
Point
as
if
you
had
two
two-way
access
for
both
of
those
drives
and
they
are
able
to
see
visually
each
other
very
well
on
the
non-primary
streets.
So
we
don't
see
an
issue
with
traffic.
From
that
standpoint,
with
the
sidewalk
comments
since
we're
already
coming
to
Planning
and
Zoning,
we
just
threw
it
on.
AE
As
another
ask:
we
have
no
problem
meeting
the
city
code,
the
50-foot
parcel
kind
of
bumps
in
from
the
right
away
or
the
right
away,
gets
wider
on
that
50
foot
parcel,
so
we're
continuing
the
alignment
of
that
sidewalk.
Typically,
you
see
the
sidewalk
put
at
the
back
of
the
right
away
within
that
50
feet.
It's
really
hard
to
kind
of
make
that
maneuver
to
get
it
back
to
the
right
away,
where
it
opens
up
to
wider
lots
a
little
South.
That's
when
we
think
somebody
would
make
that
realignment.
AE
When
you
get
to
the
rail
spur,
it's
our
opinion,
they
would
either
move
it
to
be
back
a
curb
on
the
street
or
they
would
move
it
to
the
back
of
the
right
away,
which
in
either
case
is
not
the
alignment
we
currently
have
and
with
that
rail
spur.
Usually
you
don't
want
it
to
the
back
of
the
right
away
or
you
got
to
keep
adding
those
pavement
blocks
on
the
railsburg
to
get
to
where
you
have
that
the
sidewalk,
the
sidewalk
and
the
road
has
to
connect
with
those
pavement
blocks.
AE
So
our
assumption
is
we
come
to
the
street,
but
maybe
it
wouldn't.
You
can
see
we're
actually
going
north
and
removing
and
replacing
sidewalk
of
the
Iowa
bar,
because
we
need
to
help
make
up
grades
differential
to
what
they've
put
in.
In
our
opinion,
the
same
person
South
would
do
the
same
thing
that
they
would
do
that
we're
doing
so
we're
just
trying
to.
AE
We
were
just
trying
to
ask
to
leave
it,
get
it
past
our
driveway
and
then
give
the
next
person
the
availability
to
realign
or
change
the
elevation
as
much
as
possible.
In
our
opinion,
whatever
we
put
in
somebody
next
is
just
going
to
take
out
and
rip
out
and
redo
anyways,
but,
like
I
said,
if
you
guys
want
to,
you,
know,
make
us
put
in
which
is
city
code.
We
have
no
problem
with
that.
We'll
do
that!
Just
fine!
AE
We
just
figured
we'd,
ask
it
and
give
you
why
we
were
asking
for
it
also
directly
across
7th
Street
that
Entrance
Drive.
They
also
stop
the
sidewalk
at
their
entrance
and
didn't
didn't
continue
it
down
to
those
property
lines.
So
we
just
thought
that
was
precedence
for
kind
of
doing
what
we
did
so
we're
not
proposing
to
not
install
any
sidewalk.
That's
just
why
we
kind
of
stopped
it
one
or
two
panels
short.
A
R
So
as
a
result,
what
oftentimes,
the
the
patrons
the
clients
of
the
credit
union
now
use?
They
will
either
drive
on
our
the
State
Bar
association's
driveway,
either
the
one
that
goes
to
the
court
Avenue
on
the
west
side
of
the
Iowa
State
Bar
Association,
or
the
travel
clear
across
our
parking
lot
and
enter
seventh
Seventh
Street.
R
Not
every
property
owner
has
the
Good
Fortune
of
having
good
neighbors.
I
can
tell
you
that
the
Collins
Community
Credit
Union
has
been
a
good
neighbor
for
the
Iowa
State
Bar
Association,
and
we
feel
pretty
fortunate
that
we
have
the
opportunity
that
they
have
selected
to
be
continue
to
be
a
neighbor
of
the
Iowa
State
Bar
Association.
We
did
our
due
diligence
and
we,
when
we
thought
about
selling
the
property
this,
this
grassy
strip,
Atlantic
Collins,
Community,
Credit
Union.
R
We
traveled
up
to
Cedar
Rapids
to
visit
several
of
their
building
sites,
and
we
also
talked
to
some
of
the
sub-tenants
of
their
buildings.
They
were
very
pleased
with
the
their
landlord.
The
buildings
looked
great
I
think
it's
a
big
Improvement
for
the
community
and
obviously
we
support
their
application.
Thank
you.
F
G
K
They're
saying
they
would
construct
it
up
to
the
property
and
if
you
see
what's
on
the
screen
right
now,
this
is
what
they
were
proposing
was
to
stop
the
sidewalk
about
10
15
feet
from
the
property
line,
so
they
were
only
were
crossing
the
design
alternative
for
that
segment.
Staff
had
recommended
denial
of
that,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
anything
that
could
could
require
him
to
go
any
farther
than
the
property
line,
but.