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From YouTube: 02-16-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, February 16, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
C
D
So
we
chair
members
of
the
commission,
we'll
have
a
presentation
on
the
Upper
East
Village
of
renewal
plan
in
the
airport,
I'm
trying
to
airport
development
or
no
plan.
You
gotta,
remember
all
those
names.
We
have
a
couple
staff
members
with
us
tonight
from
the
office
of
Economic
Development
they're,
going
to
run
us
through
presentations.
These
items
are
also
on
the
agenda
as
on
consent
agenda.
D
E
E
The
urban
renewal
plan
is
a
document
that
kind
of
provides
an
encap
encapsulate
some
of
our
long-term
goals
for
a
specific
geographical
area.
The
Iowa
Code
dictates
the
things
that
need
to
be
included
as
part
of
this
plan.
We
include
some
additional
items,
but
a
map
of
the
area
of
legal
description,
plain
objectives
and
the
relationship
to
the
comp
plan
will
always
be
included
as
well
as
descriptions
of
each
project.
If
there
are
any,
the
purpose
of
the
plan
is
to
establish
a
vehicle
and
a
means
to
to
pursue
some
of
these
priorities.
E
Some
of
those
being
public
improvements,
economic
stimulation
and
investment
retain
and
grow
employment,
mediating,
slum
of
light,
as
well
as
encouraging
rehab
and
revitalization.
Without
private
investment,
though
this
the
the
tool
doesn't
really
work.
So
it's
just
important
to
note
that
that's
that's
a
requirement.
That's
the
trigger
that
puts
things
in
motion
with
regard
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
Iowa
Code
lays
out
clearly
the
role
and
what
we're
doing
here
tonight.
So
the
commission
is
charged
with
reviewing
the
Conformity
with
the
city's
comp
plan.
E
So
we
try
really
hard
as
staff
to
make
those
connections
really
clear
in
the
plan.
But
your
recommendation
to
the
council
is
what
is
required
by
chapter
403.,
so
this
particular
area
has
been
named.
The
Upper
East
Village
urban
renewal
plan.
You
can
see
here
this
boundary
so
we're
south
of
235
North
of
what
is
currently
sort
of
deemed
or
thought
of.
As
the
East
Village
in
between
East
6th
and
East
East,
9th
north
of
Des
Moines
Street,
it's
22
Acres.
There
are
42
parcels.
E
The
objectives
of
this
specific
plan
have
to
do
with
some
blight
conditions
and
really
like
under
utilization,
is
something
that
kind
of
underscores
this
whole
area,
so
upgrading
the
physical
environment,
encouraging
Quality,
Construction,
expanding
housing
opportunities
and
really
diversifying
the
housing
offerings
in
an
area.
That's
so
proximate
to
the
job
center
is
something
that's
really
attractive
to
us
as
staff.
E
So
here
we
note
some
of
the
planned
DSM
goals
that
are
directly
supported
by
this
plan.
So
there's
a
couple
land
use
goals
related
to
Redevelopment
the
expansion
of
that
character
of
the
East
Village,
which
is
really
just
a
successful
neighborhood
that
has
a
great
brand
for
the
city.
It
also
helped
meets
a
lot
of
our
housing
goals.
The
proximity,
the
relationship
to
the
transit
route,
the
diversification
of
affordability
levels
is
also
something
we're
going
to
be
pursuing
with
this
plan.
E
E
E
This
area,
specifically
here
the
zoning,
the
current
zoning
is
shown
so
you'll
see
the
Western
half
is,
is
sort
of
zoned,
probably
appropriately
for
some
of
the
uses
we
have
in
mind.
The
eastern
half
is
currently
zoned
P2
and
further
to
the
east.
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
recall,
there's
some
a
lot
of
like
parking
lots
things
owned
by
the
state
of
Iowa.
E
So
that's
where
this,
the
zoning
and
some
of
the
current
the
land
use
was
at
one
point
thought
as
potential
expansion
opportunities
for
the
state
of
Iowa,
of
course,
so
this
was
pre-pandemic.
So
now
the
state,
along
with
everyone
else,
is
looking
at
office.
Space
is
going
to
be
retracting,
not
expanding,
so
those
the
goals
and
the
uses
are
being
thought
of
by
our
staff,
the
state
staff
County
and
everyone
just
kind
of
differently.
E
E
E
E
E
E
The
timeline
for
this
plan
is
shown
on
your
screen,
so
the
city
council
has
already
set
the
public
hearing.
The
taxing
entities
consultation
meeting
was
held
on
Wednesday
or
yesterday
yep,
and
so
we
were
able
to
visit
with
the
taxing
entities
and
answer
any
questions
they
had
about
the
plan.
Of
course
we
are
here
this
evening
on
Monday
we
meet
with
the
neighborhood
association.
E
We
have
had
some
dialogue
with
their
leadership,
but
we
will
formally
meet
with
them
on
Monday
and
then
the
public
hearing
is
set
to
be
held
on
March
6th,
also
in
between
here,
a
point
that
is
not
included.
That's
not
a
requirement
of
the
state
code,
but
is
a
part
of
our
processes.
We
will.
We
will
also
preview
this
plane
with
the
Urban
Design
review
board.
That
will
happen
next
Tuesday
morning.
F
E
So
that's
something
we
would
love
to
have
further
conversations
about
development
and
we
that's
absolutely
the
sentiment,
Behind
these
plans
and
when
we
select
these
areas
we
really
carefully
research
and
study.
We
really
contemplated
pulling
all
the
way
out
to
the
the
East,
but
we
weren't
sure
at
that
point.
We
actually
had
more
conversations
with
the
state
recently,
but
we
really
think
about
what
the
market
could
sustain
or
what
maybe
isn't
a
good
spot
to
support
development.
So
we
don't
preemptively
reach
out
to
Lane
owners
to
ask
about
their
interest
and
Tiff.
G
A
E
Did
you
know
this
so
ultimately
the
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
conversations,
but
they
are
required
to
submit
financials,
and
so
we
have
a
a
series
of
financial
analyzes
that
we
we
pressure
test
their
pro
forma
against
our
projections.
We
look
at
10,
20
and
30-year
returns.
We
look
at
their
project
Gap.
We
look
at
industry
standards
for
some
of
the
you
know
to
to
an
extent
we're
both
taking
some
guesses
and
estimations.
E
So
we
really
make
sure
all
those
numbers
are
within
a
reasonable,
a
reason
range
and
then
I
mean
our
contracts.
Our
development
agreements
have
but
for
really
strong,
but
for
language
in
them.
So
that's
certainly
and
I'm
sure
Mr
Fisher
would
be
willing
to
speak
to
that.
But
that's
that's,
absolutely
an
assumption
and
a
requirement
for
our
agreements.
So.
A
E
Percentages,
Debt
Service
ratios
cash
flows.
Those
are
all
all
elements
that
we
would
review
and
if
they
are
not
yep,
okay,
yep,
no,
if
they're,
not
if
they're,
if
they
are
out
of
control
or
beyond
what
we
would
consider
a
standard,
that's
when
we
would,
we
would
adjust
any
Gap
or
any
right-sized
incentive
that
we
I'm.
I
Yeah
Tom
Fisher
Deputy,
City
attorney.
The
council
actually
makes
that
decision
and
the
recommendations
and
testing
is
done
by
the
office
of
economic
development.
That
information
is
given
to
the
council
and
the
council
ultimately
has
to
make
that
finding
so
they're
the
ones
who
make
those
decisions
both
about
the
parameters
and
about
when
you,
whether
any
given
project
would
be
entitled
to
Tiff.
What's.
I
I,
don't
think
anyone
could
answer
that
over
the
period
of
years,
that's
they
make
their
decision
and
it's
really
exclusively
within
their
purview.
So
the
recommendations
are
made
by
staff.
Council
is
aware
of
the
project
as
they
develop
and
whether
they'll
go
forward.
The
it's
an
overall
question
that
they
have
to
answer.
Would
the
project
would
the
project
go
forward?
Does
it
need
to
have
to
go
forward
and
they're
the
ones
in
touch
with
those
developers
too?
The
the
initials?
The
initial
work
is
all
done
by
office
of
economic
development,
but
they
can't.
I
No
I'm
just
saying
they
make
the
decision.
It's
not
based
it's
based
on
an
overall
decision
so
that
you
can
look
at
one
factor
if
you
want,
but
it's
a
council
who
decides
that
so
council
members
have
to
make
that
decision.
The
information
is
provided
for
to
them
that
that
Economic
Development
puts
together.
The
information
is
provided
to
them
that
the
legal
department
puts
together
and
then
they
make
that
decision.
A
I
A
I
Well,
that's
that's
a
different
issue
which
one
people
bring
up
projects
all
the
time
we
consult
with
Council.
We
consult
with
staff,
there's
lots
of
projects
that
don't
make
that
but
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
discuss
which
individual
projects
came
up,
that
that
by
staff
decision
or
by
Consulting
with
councils.
So
we're
not
provided.
C
Because
I
know
that
sorry
I
know
that
you've
got
another
plan
that
needs
to
be
presented
before
our
six
o'clock
meeting
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
But
it's
what
I'm
getting
is
that
it's
not
really
under
the
purview
of
Planning
and
Zoning
to
determine
whether
something
is
economically
viable,
that's
up
to
the
city
council
and
that
what
we
need
to
determine
is
whether
or
not
these
zoning
is,
in
conformance
with
the
plan
DSM
correct
on
that.
Yes,.
D
That's
correct,
as
well
as
the
other
goal
criteria
that
was
mentioned
earlier
in
the
presentation,
but
and
if
there
are
more
questions
we
can
come
back
to
it
under
the
action
items,
but
we
do
want
to
make
sure
we
get
through
both
items
in
the
5
30
session.
Just
to
give
us
a
head
start
and
I
didn't
know.
If
you
know,
if
anybody
else
had
any
last
minute
questions
yeah.
J
K
J
K
E
But
it
also
was
possible
that
a
property
can
be
any
clip
district
and
cannot
have
Tiff
being
collected.
The
increment
cannot
be
collected
so
I,
there's
an
ordinance
that
puts
property
in
a
tip
district
and
then
there's
a
certification
process
that
collects
that
certifies
debt
against
that.
So
that's,
not
those
aren't
a
one
for
one.
E
J
J
E
J
E
So
after
this
project
after
this
development
agreement
has
run
its
course
that
increment
and
any
increment
above
the
percentage
in
the
incentive
is
released
back
to
the
taxing
entities,
so
the
development
agreement
is
not
indefinite
that
this
urban
renewal
area
can
be
indefinite.
That's
at
the
discretion
of
the
council.
J
D
Here,
oh
sorry,
well,
yeah,
that's!
Well.
We
also
have
to
remember
and
I
I
Kara
I
do
want
them
to
I.
Think
it's
fair
to
ask
educational
questions,
but
we
do
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
some
of
the
the
deal
the
Tiff
deal
and
the
details
of
that
aren't
before
the
commission.
The
action
before
the
commission
is
this
urban
renewal
plan
we've
as
a
kind
of
a
courtesy
to
understand.
What's
starting
the
plan,
We've
included
that
information
in
here.
But
it's
not
that's
not.
J
E
J
G
I
ask
a
quick
follow-up
question
and
maybe
it's
a
recommendation
for
future
items
like
this
when
they
come
before
us.
Could
we
see
an
overall
map
of
the
urban
renewal
plans
that
are
adjacent
to
this
and
in
the
city
overall,
and
how
this
fits
into
that
and
in
a
series
of
recommendations
from
either
an
economic
development
office
or
whoever
for
how
this
improves
plan
DSM
and
fits
into
it?
G
D
G
A
G
K
We
do
in
this
presentation
and
certainly
in
the
plan
there
are
goals
listed,
that
the
project
is
supposed
to
meet
to
come
into
conformance
with
the
comp
plan
that,
from
what
I
understand,
it
sounds
like
what
you're
asking
for
maybe
is
a
little
bit
more
specific
tie
instead
of
just
listing
the
goal.
What
things
could
be
done
to
accomplish
that
goal?
Is
that
a
fair
way
to
put
that.
G
How
does
this,
why
does
this
change
reinforce
the
decisions
made
in
plan
DSM?
You
know,
I,
understand
the
goals
of
DS
playing
DSM
and
I
understand
that
you
outline
those
goals,
but
how
does
this
project
for
us
to
make
a
decision
on
support
those
goals?
By
making
this
change,
it
improves
playing
DSM
by
XXX,
okay,.
G
K
G
D
K
All
right,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
Urban
airport
development
urban
renewal
plan
here
this
is
a
map
of
the
overall
area
and
I
will
state
that
this
is
a
fairly
big
urban
renewal
plan.
Boundary
area.
Just
a
couple
things
to
point
out
on
here,
I
know
that
map's
a
little
bit
small.
Let
me
get
to
presentation
for
you
to
get
that
a
little
bit
larger
for
you,
but
obviously
encompasses
the
airport
grounds,
but
then
it's
also
got
a
lot
of
the
development
ground.
K
That's
approximate
to
the
airport,
the
kind
of
the
master
plan,
business
parks
to
the
South
and
of
the
west
of
the
airport,
as
well
as
some
land,
that's
pretty
primed
for
development
off
of
some
of
the
interchanges
of
Highway,
28
and
Highway
65..
So
kind
of
the
reason
why
we've
got
this
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
we're.
K
Our
office
is
seeing
more
and
more
inquiries
in
this
part
of
town
for
largely
industrial
kind
of
Warehouse,
Business,
Park
type
uses
distribution,
centers
things
of
that
nature,
and
so
we
wanted
to
have
basically
a
kind
of
an
enabling
plan
in
place
that
could
allow
Tiffin
District
to
be
created
in
the
future
if,
if
demand
warranted
or
if
we
had
a
project
that
demonstrated
that
financial
gap
that
we
could
address
through
TEF,
so
this
is
basically
Economic
Development
related
at
this
moment.
We
really
the
intent
behind.
This,
too,
is
we're.
K
That's
why
we
did
bring
the
airport
in
at
this
point.
So
here
we
can.
The
acreage
was
shown
it's
about
4,
600,
acres,
474,
Parcels,
less
the
right-of-way.
This
also
does
pick
up
a
property
along
fluid
Drive,
which
is
more
of
a
commercial
Redevelopment
play.
As
some
of
these
areas
get
blighted
in
age
out
a
little
bit.
The
thought
would
be
that
maybe
we'll
have
another
tool
in
place,
besides
commercial
tax
abatement,
to
address
some
of
those
excuse
me
those
needs
in
the
future
as
well.
K
So
the
goals
of
this
plan,
basically
first
and
foremost
Economic
Development.
We
want
to
create
job,
producing
entities
and
try
to
entice
those
to
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
That
also
can
increase
the
tax
base,
certainly
along
floor
I
mentioned
the
intent
would
be
to
remove
and
remediate
light,
and
then
one
other
component
of
the
plan
that
I'll
touch
on
a
little
bit
later
is
what
we
can
do
with
some
of
the
infrastructure
in
the
area
going
forward
as
it
develops.
K
So
this
is
a
look
at
the
land
uses,
obviously
the
airport's
front
and
center
it's
about
54
of
the
total
area
of
this
plan.
But
then
you
can
see
that
kind
of
light
blue
shade.
That's
all
the
business
park
land
around
the
airport
that
we
think
is
primed
for
development
that
we're
starting
to
see
inquiries
on
and
then,
of
course,
you
get
some
smaller
Pockets,
a
lower
density,
residential
and
Commercial
along
fluid
Drive.
K
K
K
K
But
we
wanted
to
get
ahead
of
the
curve
in
light
of
a
decision
that
was
made
with
the
Southwest
connector
to
not
continue
forward,
and
also
to
support
some
of
this
growth
someday
with
trying
to
put
a
more
robust,
Road
Network
in
place
out
here.
So
this
plan
broke
this
area
up
that
you
see
on
the
screen
here
today
in
a
quadrants.
K
And
then
this
is
just
a
view
showing
kind
of
conceptually
what
some
of
the
high
level
improvements
are.
I
I
do
want
to
mention
that
this
plan
right
now
doesn't
have
anything
specifically
addressed
in
terms
of
a
project,
both
private
development
or
infrastructure.
So
if
something
did
pop
up
in
the
future,
these
plants
do
routinely
get
amended,
and
that
would
be
something
that
we
would
add
to
those
plans.
So
the
caveat
is
that,
right
now,
none
of
these
roadway
projects
necessarily
are
identified
in
this
plan.
K
So,
as
I
just
mentioned,
there's
no
known
projects
at
this
point
we're
obviously
in
conversations
all
the
time
with
folks
about
trying
to
develop
along
the
bypass
near
the
airport
and
then
just
going
through
the
timeline
we
did
meet
with
there's
two
neighbors
associations
at
this
touches.
We
met
with
them
late
last
year
early
this
year,
and
then
we
just
set
our
tax
identity
meeting.
Yesterday,
Planet
zoning
commission
tonight
Urban
Design
review
board
next
week
and
then
March
6th,
there's
our
our
Council
date
for
hearing
this
plan.
D
I,
if
I
could
we
are
past
our
start
time
for
the
formal
hearing
and
for
starting
the
the
meeting
and
the
TV
and
all
that
stuff.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
go
ahead
and
switch
over
to
that
and
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
just
have
this
item.
I've
I've
asked
the
commission
to
go
ahead
and
have
this
one
pulled
off
and
then
you
can
come
back
to
Ryan
and
ask
some
questions.
If
you
have
other
questions
another
one,
you
could
do
the
same
as
well.
If
that
makes
sense.
D
C
Okay,
welcome
to
the
February
16th
2023
meeting
of
the
city
of
Des
Moines
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
I'm,
going
to
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
Now
the
plan
and
Zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plants.
Unless
denials
are
conditional,
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
C
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
C
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report,
unless
an
individual
present
or
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda
I'd
like
to
ask
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
February
February
2nd
meeting
pretty
much
my
Chris.
Thank
you
all
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand.
H
C
Was
gone,
I
was
okay,
I
will
now
read
through
the
consent
agenda
items,
one
actions
pertaining
to
proposed
Upper
East
Village
urban
renewal
plan,
an
amendment
to
plan
DSM
to
revise
the
future
land,
use
classification
from
public
semi-public
to
downtown
mixed
use
and
determination.
As
to
whether
the
proposed
Upper
East
Village
urban
renewal
plan
is
in
conformance
with
plan
DSM.
C
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
this
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
heard
for
the
public
hearing?
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
would
like
to
hear
this?
Okay,
we
will
move
item
number
one
to
the
public
hearing,
as
Jason
already
mentioned,
we're
going
to
move
item
number
two
also
to
the
public
hearing.
That
is
the
determination
as
to
whether
the
proposed
airport
development
urban
renewal
plan
is,
in
conformance
with
plan.
C
C
C
C
Okay,
item
number:
four:
will
stay
on
consent
item
number,
five
request
from
bsdl
Incorporated
for
reboot
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
PDS
Warehouse,
building
for
property
and
vicinity
of
2220
Sunset
Road
and
for
the
following
type:
2
design,
Alternatives,
A
and
B,
relating
to
allowing
loading
doors
to
face
a
primary
Street
and
to
waive
the
15
black
blank
wall
limitations.
Sir.
Anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item
tonight.
C
Okay,
is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item
tonight
all
right
item
number
five
will
remain
on
consent.
Item
number
six
request
from
Penske
Truck
Leasing
Company
for
the
following
regarding
the
property
at
4101,
East
14th,
Street
determination
as
to
whether
the
request
of
rezoning
is
conformance
with
plan
DSM
Amendment
to
the
plan
DSM
to
revise
the
future
land,
use
classification
and
rezone
the
property
from
mx3v
mixed
use,
District
to
I-1
industrial
district.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item
tonight?
L
C
H
H
The
first
is
relating
to
amendment
to
plan
DSM
to
revise
the
future
land
use
for
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
of
the
urban
renewal
area,
from
public
semi-public
to
downtown
mixed
deals,
and
the
the
second
requested
action
is
to
determine
whether
the
proposed
urban
renewal
plan
is
in
conformance
with
land
DSM
them
comprehensive
plan
again
just
quickly
go
through
these.
This
is
the
this
is
the
plan
area.
The
first
action
relates
to
the
area
to
the
east
of
Pennsylvania
Avenue.
H
If
you
can
follow
my
cursor,
so
the
the
amendment
from
public
semi-public
to
downtown
mixed
use
pertains
to
this
particular
area.
As
staff
reviewed
this,
this
particular
urban
renewal
plan.
The
thing
that
we
looked
for
was
to
look
at
the
goals
of
the
urban
renewal
plan
and
to
look
at
plan
DSM
goals
and
try
to
kind
of
find
them
find
areas
where
there's
the
plans
of
this
particular.
The
goals
of
this
particular
plan
support
or
confirm
to
goals
of
planned
DSM.
H
So
in
your
report,
in
the
very
last
section
page
three,
you
can
see
that
staff
has
reviewed
and
found
conformance
within
these
particular
topic
areas:
Economic
Development,
several
goals,
land
use,
transportation,
public
infrastructure
utilities,
Community
character
and
neighborhoods,
as
well
as
social
Equity.
So
staff
believes
that
the
proposed
urban
renewal
plan
is
in
conformance
with
plan
DSM
and
in
order
for
it
to
be
in
conformance
the
future
land
use
designation
for
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
area
needs
to
be
amended
from
semi-public
Public
public
to
downtown
mixed
use.
H
Staff
also
believes
that
the
goals
within
the
urban
renewal
plan
align
with
several
of
the
goals
that
are
listed
below
from
plan
DSM.
So,
with
that
rationale
in
mind,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
request
to
amend
plan
DSM
for
a
portion
of
the
area
from
public
semi-public
to
downtown
mixed
use.
Staff
is
also
recommending
that
the
commission
find
that
the
proposed
urban
renewal
plan
is
in
conformance
with
plan
DSM,
so
that
is
my
quick
presentation
and
with
that
I
will
just
hand
it
over
for
any
questions
on
the
plan.
Thank
you.
J
E
I
mean,
of
course,
those
sustainability
goals
are
really
important,
but
we
know
in
Iowa
and
in
Des
Moines
right
now.
Vehicular
traffic
is
just
a
reality,
so
we
have
to
plan
for
that.
Several
of
our
zoning
districts
require
parking,
so
we
still
have
to
really
thoughtfully
consider
how
these
sites
and
projects
housing
projects
particularly
can
can
work
well
with
all
of
those
I.
J
Think
this
was
talking
more
about
Transportation
right
with
all
those
modes
of
transportation.
Okay,
well,
I'm
disappointed
that
we
would
say
that
we
would
hold
them
all
equal
and
rather
than
favoring,
some
at
the
expense
of
others,
especially
when
you
mentioned
several
times
in
the
document
that
you
want
to
promote.
Walkability
and
bicycling
I.
E
E
E
J
C
E
So
75
feet
is
the
requirement
this
building
potentially
would
Eclipse
that
on
the
at
a
couple
points,
but
again
that
will
be
subject
to
the
the
waiver
process.
There
is
also
the
lion
multi-residential
building,
which
is
also
kind
of
large
in
scale,
and
that
it's
kind
of
interesting
how
those
all
are
in
proximity
to
the
capital,
but.
D
D
F
E
No
that
well
the
this
zoning
District
does
not
have
a
parking
requirement,
so
they're
not
dealing
with
with
the
code
issue
here
again
they're
assessing
the
market
and
what
they
feel
like
is
required
to
make
their
product
serviceable
in
this
area.
So
there
are
no
parking
requirements
for
this
project.
F
And
that's
the
reason.
I
asked
a
question
and
I'd
like
the
developer
to
know
that
the
count
that
the
commission,
at
least
from
my
point
of
view,
is
concerned
about
parking
and
densely
populated
areas
and
we
have
read
150
parking
stalls
are
proposed
in
the
new
construction
and
I
think
that's
an
important
component
of
compliance.
In
my
opinion,.
A
E
Well,
we
have
an
equity
toolkit
and
a
number
of
staff
on
our
team
that
are
really
help
us
evaluate
those
things,
as
the
the
projects
are
all
different,
as
our
attorney
just
suggested.
So
that
is
less
I
mean
important
to
how
this
plan
relates
to
plan
DSM.
But
we
we
take
a
lot
of
pride
in
using
our
Equity
toolkit,
and
this
project,
in
particular,
will
provide
some
different
levels
of
housing.
The
proximity
to
work
centers
is
something
we
really
like.
A
Well,
I
mean,
for
example,
the
director's
report
that
came
out
a
few
years
ago
that
was
commissioned
by
Greer
Des
Moines
partnership.
I'm,
sorry
not
commissioned
by
but
worked
in
partnership
with
them
and
there's
some
funding
coming
through
did
come
up
with
solid
metrics
for
how
we
can
show
how
inequitable
we
are
in
certain
areas
is
anything
like
that
been
taken
into
account
when
you're
looking
at
projects
like
this.
E
E
E
Those
are
all
things
that
are
difficult
to
attach
a
number
two
that
we
are
charged
with:
improving
for
our
community
I,
don't
I
I
think
there's
certainly
always
opportunity
to
provide
better
measurables
or,
and
if
the
commission
has
recommendations
on
that,
I
think
we
would
always
be
willing
to
hear
that
we
would
love
to
see
our
work
be
able
to
report
it
that
way,
unfortunately,
providing
homes
for
people
providing
affordable
housing.
Those
are
the
most
powerful
pieces
of
that
are
not
numbers.
Unfortunately,.
A
Well,
okay,
so
the
reason
is
there
is
an
example,
though,
like,
for
example,
the
director's
Council
said
there
is
a
14.7
percent
unemployment
rate
in
your
north
side,
when
we
have
a
3.5
percent
across
the
county
unless
within
the
city,
that
seems
to
be
a
pretty
good
measure
of
inequity.
When
you
look
at
the
percentage
of
home
ownership
in
that
area,
you
have
a
sub
2.5
percent
relative
to
normal,
so
I
mean
I,
think
those
are
measures
of
inequitable.
A
So
it
seems
like
the
counter,
could
be
possible,
so
I
guess
I'm
having
troubles
hearing
that
part,
but
if
we
don't
have
we
don't
have
it
the
other
pieces
I'm
asking
on
is
within
you
know,
plan
DSM,
so
we've
got
three
questions,
I'll
be
quick
with
them,
because
I've
always
always
asked
them.
Is
you
know
if
the
goal
of
plan
DSM
which
is
paraphrasing
is
to
you
know
sustainably,
economically,
invest
in
our
city?
My
questions
there
are
first,
has
any
return
on
investment
yet
been
done
on
any
Tiff
project,
that's
at
least
10
years
old.
E
Can't
quantify
obviously
is
is
spin-off
development
and
economic
impact
and
dollars
that
residents
now
spend
downtown.
We.
We
know
that
those
impacts
are
significant
and
we
see
that
development
that
Synergy,
so
that
when
we
talk
about
information
that
we
can't
provide,
that's
really
the
most
powerful
information
that
is
always
going
to
evade
us,
that's
extremely
difficult
to
quantify
impossible,
but
taxes
only
tax
right,
it's
impossible
to
know
in
186
unit
apartment,
how
much
money
those
residents
now
will
spend
downtown
supporting
businesses.
H
A
What
are
the
economic
tools
were
considered
or
supported?
You
know
for
supporting
the
currently
expected
Tiff
project.
You
know
the
related
project
and
why
was
Tiff
for
that
project,
which
appears
to
be
the
instigator
of
this
Urban
real
plan
considered
more
suitable
than
any
other
of
those
options?
What
other.
E
Plan,
because,
over
over
the
course
of
the
past
few
decades,
the
city's
tools
for
economic
development
have
been
largely
Stripped
Away,
so
Tiff
is
really
the
most
impactful
tool
that
we
have.
We,
of
course,
always
encourage
our
developers
to
layer
in
other
Federal
County
other
resources,
but
we
have
very
few
what.
E
K
A
All
right
sweet:
this
is
an
area,
that's
very
accessible
to
commuter,
friendly
commercial
development.
Is
there
anything
you're
doing
I
mean
you're
right
off
the
interstate
exit,
as
you
saw,
I
mean
we
now
know
where
Pennsylvania
starts
and
ends
right.
That's
a
good
way
to
get
on
and
six
is
a
good
way
to
get
off
yeah.
A
A
Now
tuna
schools
with
this
right
and
you're
telling
me
there's
no
other
way
to
prove
return
on
investment,
we're
just
sure
it's
going
to
actually
work.
Yet
the
data
shows
if
I
have
commuter
intensive.
You
know
commuter
accessible,
Tiff
districts.
Those
will
typically
not
be
returning
investment
well.
E
K
We're
in
a
intertwined
metro
area
that
suburb
City
I
mean
some
of
this
is
seamless
right.
I
mean
the
economy
is
seamless
here,
basically
and
I
think
that
we
would
put
ourselves
at
a
pretty
big
competitive
disadvantage.
Sometimes
when
some
of
our
projects
are
in
competition,
we're
in
competition
with
other
communities.
By
putting
things
like
this
into
place,
and
so
right
now
we
don't
have
a
policy
that
would
direct
us
to
do
those
kind
of
things
as
a
part
of
our
Tiff
analysis,
our
urban
renewal
plan
boundary
analysis.
Any
of
that
kind
of
thing.
A
K
K
Again,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
engage
in
this
debate
tonight
about
this
kind
of
thing.
I
mean
this
is
something
the
council
drives:
the
Tiff
policy,
if
the
city
manager
directs
staff
to
look
at
this
or
if
Council
directs
the
city
manager
to
will
do
it.
But
it's
not
something
that
we're
going
to
recommend
that
we
look
at
further.
G
Is
that
I,
don't
know
and
I
don't
need
to
know
the
financial
gap
and
where
it
is
in
this
project,
because
I
shouldn't
know
about
the
project
I'm
only
tasked
with
the
urban
neutral
plan,
but
if
we're
incentivizing
150
parking
spaces
at
the
lowest
end,
twenty
thousand
dollars
of
space,
that's
three
million
dollars.
If
those
parking
spaces
cost
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
space.
G
That's
4.5
million
dollars
in
this
project
where
we're
supposed
to
be
encouraging
all
transit
modes,
walkability
bikes,
Dart,
whatever
their
Transit
modes,
come
up
in
the
future,
but
I
have
a
feeling.
Part
of
the
Gap
is
covering
the
cost
of
the
parking
associated
with
this
project
right
or
wrong.
That
is
a
struggle
for
me
to
say
this
is
the
right
way
to
approve
an
urban
renewal
plan
when
I
kind
of
know
that
there's
a
project,
that's
I,
feel
like
we're
incentivizing
one
mode
of
transportation
over
another
when
it
may
be
creating
the
gap.
G
If
the
parking
weren't
there
would
there
be
a
gap,
would
that
Force
the
developer
to
say
we
need
the
lip
people
that
live
here
to
park
further
away
use,
Transit
use
City
parking
ramps,
that's
I,
don't
know
how
to
make
a
decision
on
this
right
now.
I
can't
I,
can't
say
I
would
vote
to
support
this
as
an
urban
renewal
plan,
fitting
in
with
DSM
playing
DSM.
K
E
K
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
point
in
our
conversation
with
the
developer
on
this
project.
They
did
approach
the
state
of
Iowa
about
utilizing
the
ramp.
That's
there
to
not
have
to
put
parking
into
this
project,
but
unfortunately,
those
conversations
didn't
really
bear
any
fruit,
and
so
from
a
market
perspective
and
a
financing
perspective,
they
still
felt
that
they
needed
to
have
a
parking
solution
in-house,
but
I
did
want
to
mention
that
they
did
try.
Another
solution
and
just
couldn't
couldn't
come
to
an
agreement,
but.
G
G
D
And
that
I
mean
I.
That
brings
me
to
the
the
thought
that
you
know
we're
asking
you
to
vote
and
make
a
recommendation.
We're
not
telling
you
what
your
Vote
or
your
recommendation
needs
to
be
we
just
it's
just
part
of
the
process.
You
have
the
right
to
make
them.
You
know
somebody
make
a
motion
and
vote.
However,
we
want,
but
it
does
need
to
keep
moving
forward.
Yeah.
A
J
E
J
J
E
No,
they
will,
they
will
most
certainly
pay
taxes,
so
they
have
indicated
that
they
will
apply
for
the
tax
abatement,
which
is
a
10-year
sliding
scale,
so
they
will
always
be
paying
taxes
on
the
property
and
they
will
always
pay
taxes
on
during
that
initial
10-year
abatement,
value
that
exceeds
the
initial
abatement.
So
the
initial
value
of
their
Improvement
is
what
they
will
get
abatement
credit
for.
So
after
that
wanes
in
year,
9
and
10.
That
starts
to
come
down.
E
That's
when
the
Tiff
incentive
that
you're
seeing
here
will
will
kick
into
place,
but
you'll
notice,
it's
not
a
hundred
percent,
so
those
they
will
be
paying
taxes
the
entire
time.
Some
of
it
will
return
to
them
in
form
of
a
rebate
minus
the
protected
levies,
which
will
be
like
eight
dollars
per
thousand
will
be
given
to
all
the
taxing
entities,
helping
with
the
our
debt
obligations,
and
things
like
that
are.
J
E
E
J
E
Oh,
so
no
we
would
certainly
never
advocate
for
that
or
or
or
propose
that
at
all
we,
we
there's
a
great
housing
mix
in
the
area,
but
there
are
some
underutilized
spaces
in
and
around
some
of
those
houses.
So
this
is
not
meant
at
all
to
drive
any
residents
away
or
make
any
assumptions
or
projections
as
such.
Okay.
A
A
D
D
Yeah
absolutely
I
think
if,
if
there's
a
sense
that
the
vote
might
not
be
the
same,
I
think
that's
a
great
observation
will
and
I
appreciate
that
so
I.
This
might
be
one
of
those
times
that
it's
appropriate
to
vote
on
a
separately
from
B
and
the
motion
I
have
is
that
Chris
is
moving
the
staff
recommendation
on
part
A
and
then
on
Part
B
is
the
recommendation
for
the
from
the
commission
is
that
the
urban
renewal
plan
does
not
conform
with
plan
DSM.
F
I
E
A
D
B
L
I
D
C
H
H
This
is
the
airport
development
urban
renewal
plan
and
it
basically
includes
a
large
area
around
the
Des
Moines
International
Airport.
There
was
also
a
detailed
presentation
on
this
particular
item,
so
I'll
keep
it
brief,
and
the
requested
action
for
this
is
to
determine
whether
the
plan
urban
renewal
plan
is,
in
conformance
with
plan,
DSM
comprehensive
plan
and
again
just
to
refresh
your
memory.
H
So
again,
with
this,
with
this
plan,
staff
reviewed
the
the
goals
within
the
within
the
urban
renewal
plan
and
try
to
develop
some
connection
and
see
which
planned
DSM
goals
are
supported
by
the
urban
renewal
plan
goals
and,
as
you
can
see,
there
are
a
few
different
goals
that
are
that
do
align
under
land
use.
We
have
goal
one
goal:
seven
oops.
H
Economic
Development
public
infrastructure
and
utilities,
as
well
as
transportation,
so
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
these,
but
staff
revealed
that
and
thinks
that
the
the
plan,
the
urban
renewal
plan
does
conform
to
plan
DSM
and
therefore
recommends
that
the
commission
find
that
the
proposed
urban
renewal
plan
is
in
conformance
to
plan
DSM.
So
that's
the
end
of
my
presentation
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
we'll
take
them
at
this
time.
Thank.
D
J
On
page
11
letter
D
responsibility
of
developer,
it
says
developers
shall
work
with
the
city
to
coordinate
realization
of
the
intent
and
purpose
of
this
plan.
This
will
include
limiting
tax
abatement
for
exemption
from
taxes
to
the
value
added
by
the
improvements.
Can
you
unpack
that
for
me
and
help
me
understand
what
you
mean
by
that.
K
Sure,
anytime,
we
negotiate
a
deal,
an
economic
development
agreement
that
we
utilize
Tiff
I
mean
our
whole
game
plan
is
to
use
as
little
as
possible
to
get
the
project
off
the
ground,
and
so
one
thing
that
we've
done
before
is
right.
Now
we
offer
two
commercial
tax
abatement
schedules
right,
there's
a
three
or
100
schedule
and
a
tenure
declining.
K
L
A
We
also
add
the
performance
metrics.
They
indicated
earlier
that
they
now
have
because
those
weren't
available
at
that
training
there
was
no
performance,
metrics,
no
indication
what
actual
return
on
investment
occurred.
We
get
these
nice
charts
that
say:
hey
it's
going
to
do
this,
then
this
there's
been
no
actual.
A
Talking
about
the
actual
economic
sustainability
and
effectiveness
of
this
as
a
tool
and
we've
seen
the
chart,
it
was
even
in
one
of
your
reserve
slides.
It
was
going
to
be
shown
but
skipped
over
again,
but
we've
never
seen
the
actual
real
data
relative
to
those
slides,
we're
told
we
don't
have
it
so.
A
A
I'm
saying
in
your
presentation,
that
was
for
the
East
Village
one
we
had
that
standard
chart
which
says:
hey
it's
going
to
do
this,
that's
going
to
be
one
of
these
we're
going
to
all
be
rich
in
the
end,
but
there's
never
been
any
data
that
shows
that
the
line
is
anything
relative
to
what
it
says
and
there's
a
whole
body
of
evidence
starting
from
California
52,
and
they
created
this
stuff.
That
shows
it
does
not
conform
to
that
line.
That's
what
I'm
saying
when
we
send
out
the
materials.
K
So
our
finance
department
does
keep
that
data
just
in
terms
of
property
taxes,
yeah
I
I
just
want
to
point
out
again
too
and
I.
Don't
want
to
sound
like
a
broken
record
with
this,
but
when
we're
looking
at
is
the
is
the
urban
renewal
plan,
in
conformance
with
the
comp
plan?
That's
really
what
this
commission
is
set
to
do
we're
not
here
to
really
discuss
the
merits
of
tax
increment
Finance
I
mean
people
might
have
strong
opinions
about
that.
But
that's
just
not
what
we're
here
to
do
tonight.
A
Correction
because
embedded
within
whether
or
not
it's
in
conformance,
is
that
it
has
to
be
conforms
and
say
that
we
are
going
to
be
sustainably
economically
investing
in
our
city.
That's
in
the
plan,
so
we
can't
say:
hey
yeah.
We,
like
all
these
other
pieces
of
it,
we're
going
to
throw
away.
One
of
the
big
ones
can.
K
We
I
mean
the
challenge.
What
we're
doing
tonight,
though,
is
we're
creating
a
new
one
right
and
I
think
what
the
the
data
that
we
would
have
would
be
on
one
that's
been
in
existence
for
some
time
where
we
can
go
back
and
say
Here's
how
this
performed
over
time.
If
we
do
that
on
a
presentation
like
this
I
mean
it
would
be
guesswork
so.
A
K
I
A
D
I,
don't
know
that
there's
a
rule
but
I
know
that
we're
having
some
discussions
internally,
that
maybe
we
should
use
the
term
pass
and
record
it
a
little
differently
versus
because
abstain
can
give
the
impression
that
you
have
a
conflict
and
so
just
for
we
haven't.
We
weren't
ready
to
share
that
with
the
commission
yet,
but
since
it's
been
brought
up,
I
think
moving
forward,
we'll
just
use
the
term
pass,
which.
C
D
D
We
believe
that
should
all
be
handled
in
135,
holistically
and
and
the
value
of
that
is,
if
there's
need
a
need
to
offer
relief.
We're
only
dealing
with
it
here
at
the
planning.
Zoning
commission
we're
not
sending
somebody
to
the
zoning
board
adjustment
and
a
pnz.
So
that's
the
intent
of
this
amendment.
So
if
you
have
questions,
let
me
know,
but
I
just
wanted
to
provide
a
very
high
level
summary
everyone.