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I. Council Member’s Choice
II. City Manager’s Choice
III. City Attorney’s Choice
I. CDPHE Permit Limitation Review for L/E WWTP (Informational) 6:30-6:50 p.m.
II. 2017 Budget Highlight Review (Informational) 6:50-7:50 p.m.
III. Break
IV. Comprehensive Plan 7:55-8:45 p.m.
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Enough,
thank
you
for
the
clarification
again.
What
I'll
do
is
close.
The
special
meeting
have
we
out
of
that
now
we're
recording
for
the
study
session.
Okay,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
kick
that
off.
Welcome
everybody
to
the
City
Council
study
session.
Our
first
agenda
item
of
the
evening
is
CDA
Phe,
permit
limitation
review
for
the
Englewood
Littleton
wastewater
treatment
plant.
Our
wastewater
treatment
plant
manager,
Dennis
Stowe,
is
present
to
discuss
the
permit
limitation
review
good
evening.
Mr.
Stowe.
C
F
G
E
Is
Mary?
This
is
Mary
gardener
and
she's
a
charge
of
a
regulatory
compliance.
Division
and
she's
been
working
on
various
and
sundry
water
quality
issues
with
the
water
quality
control
division,
including
the
permit
that
we're
going
to
be
going
over
tonight,
and
this
is
Sarah
Reeves
with
Vernon
Caldwell.
They
bring
a
lot
of
expertise
on
regulatory
matters
and
water
quality
issues
and
we're
relying
on
them
to
review
our
draft
permit
and
help
us
develop
comments
for
the
state
actually.
E
C
H
E
Under
the
Clean
Water,
Act
wastewater
utilities
and
plants
are
required
to
operate
under
a
permit,
that's
issued
by
either
the
EPA
or
the
state
in
which
they're
located
and
in
Colorado
Colorado
actually
issues
the
permits
through
the
Water
Quality
Control
Division,
and
they
do
all
the
enforcement
and
monitoring
of
how
we
are
operating
our
facility.
The
permit
that
we
receive
sets
limits
based
on
technology,
so
technical
technological
requirements
are
in
our
permit,
as
well
as
water
quality
based
limitations.
E
The
limitations
are
designed
to
protect
the
South
Platte
River,
with
the
uses
that
are
on
the
river,
which
are
recreation,
drinking
water
and
aquatic
life.
Our
permit
has
a
wide
range
of
limitations
in
the
permit
beginning
with
VOD
and
which
is
by
a
biochemical
oxygen
demand
and
total
suspended
solids
as
some
routine
technological
limits,
as
well
as
metals,
ammonia
and
nutrients.
Bacteria
temperature
and
other
issues
that
are
regulated
and
for
different
uses
on
the
river.
E
So,
where
we
are
in
a
renewal
process,
is
in
the
public
review
process,
the
state
normally
grants
30
days
for
public
comments
to
be
received
on
draft
permits.
We
know
I
would
like
to
take
credit
for
extending
that
comment
period
to
60
days,
but
they
were
pretty
agreeable
to
giving
us
60
days
because
our
car,
our
permit,
is
one
of
the
most
complex
in
the
state.
E
So
we
have
that
60
days
to
provide
comments
to
the
to
the
Water
Quality
Control
Division,
in
those
comments
are
due
on
September
22nd
and
we're
working
on
meeting
that
deadline,
so
the
issues
that
are
different
in
our
in
the
draft
permit.
That
will
that
we
will
be
providing
comments
on
start
off
with
nutrients
phosphorus
and
nitrogen
compounds
that
have
an
adverse
effect
on
water
bodies
in
the
state
leading
to
Utrecht,
ation
and
algae
blooms,
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
we
were
expecting
this
requirement
to
be
in
our
permit.
E
E
E
Actually,
we
did
estimates
several
years
ago,
so
they're
a
little
out
of
date
now
but
to
install
equipment
at
the
plant
to
meet
these
requirements
will
be
approximately
eight
million
dollars.
So
one
of
the
first
things
we
need
to
do
when
we
get
a
draft
permit
is
to
update
that
cost
estimate
to
make
sure
that
we
are
on
track
with
the
right
with
the
right
cost.
E
H
E
Is
called
total
inorganic
nitrogen?
This
is
a
drinking
water
standard
that
is
applied
to
the
river,
so
downstream
water
suppliers
can
use
the
water
safely.
We
currently
have
daily
limits
that
we
are
required
to
comply
with.
We
were
expecting
the
state
to
continue
with
the
current
limitations
in
our
permit.
They
decided
that
the
current
limitations
were
not
protective
enough,
so
they
have
lowered
that
the
number
significantly
our
lowest
number
right
now
is
about
23
milligrams
per
liter
and
they've
dropped
that
number
down
to
15.
E
They
have
used
a
very
simple
calculation
to
determine
that
number,
so
we
think
it's
very
conservative
very
low
and
we're
going
to
be
requesting
that
we
be
given
some
time
to
resurrect
a
model
that
we
have
used
on
the
river
before.
Yes,
we
can
get
a
permit
limitation
that
is
more
in
line
with
the
reality,
so
we'll
be
making
that
request
in
our
comments.
So
that
would
be
a
again
on
this
one
being
an
extended
compliance
schedule.
E
If
the
state
goes
ahead
with
the
number
that
they
have
now
in
our
permit,
there
will
be
an
additional
ten
to
fifteen
million
dollars.
So
it's
an
important
issue
as
far
as
we're
concerned.
The
next
issue
is
temperature.
We've
been
working
on
actually
Mary's
been
Mary
and
Sarah
been
working
on
a
temperature
issue
for
the
past
several
years.
The
state
has
a
regulation
that
everybody
agrees
is
bad
and
we
can't
comply
with
it.
E
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
been
successful
at
correcting
part
of
that
that
regulation
for
our
facility,
but
not
in
total.
We
have
been
successful,
though,
at
delaying
imposition
of
the
rest
of
that
temperature
rate
temperature
regulation
and
our
permit.
So
we
don't
expect
anything
more
to
come
of
permit
limitations
for
temperature
until
2030
we'll
be
continuing
to
work
on
the
issue,
however,
because
it
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
to
try
and
cool
25
to
30
million
gallons
of
water
a
day
for
a
couple
of
weeks
out
of
the
year.
I
So
I
don't
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
me,
but
the
standard
is
setup
for
a
three-month
period
each
season
and
then
there's
an
immediate
change
within
a
minute
from
it's
seasonal.
So
it's
winter
spring
summer
fall
and
what
happens
is
it's?
They
call
it
a
top
hat
so
as
soon
as
basically,
one
second
is
over.
The
next
season
goes
into
place
and
it
becomes
a
warmer
temperature
from
winter
to
spring.
I
I
We've
been
working
on
I
know
this
doesn't
exactly
answer
your
question,
but
what
we've
been
working
on
is
a
more
normal,
gradual
change
in
temperature
that
follows
the
natural
air
temperature
in
Colorado
and
it
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
runoff
spring
runoff
from
the
mountains,
and
sometimes
we
have
two
of
those
in
one.
You
know
in
one
season,
basically
so
that
I'm
sorry
I,
don't
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
me,
though.
Okay.
E
E
One
of
the
things
we'll
have
to
do
in
response
to
the
discharge
permit
is
recalculate
the
local
limits
for
the
industrial
pretreatment
program
for
both
the
cities
of
Englewood
and
Littleton,
with
different
values
and
limitations.
In
our
permit.
You
know
we
need
to
recalculate
what
industries
can
discharge
to
our
facility.
That'll
take
us
some
time
the
state
has
given
us
a
year.
We
don't
believe
a
year
is
enough
to
do
those
calculations,
get
them
approved
and
then
get
them
into
ordinance,
and
that
would
be
for
both
cities.
E
We
try
to
keep
the
two
city's
programs
pretty
consistent,
so
working
with
two
City
Council's
takes
a
little
more
time
to
keep
things
consistent
and
moving
forward
in
the
same
direction.
So
we're
asking
for
more
time
on
that
local
limit
calculation,
the
state
has
implemented
well
one
new
practice
and
is
taking
away
one
that
we
believe
we
should
retain
in
our
permit.
The
concept
of
a
reserve
capacity
is
the
state's
attempt
to
allow
for
future
growth
in
discharges
in
in
Denver
to
the
South
Platte
River.
They
have
added.
E
They
have
actually
added
10%
to
our
hydraulic
capacity
in
their
calculations,
to
determine
our
our
effluent
limits
that
results
in
a
little
bit
more
stringent
limit,
but
we
don't
believe
the
Water
Quality
Control
Division
has
the
authority
to
do
that
and
we're
preparing
comments
along
along
those
lines
to
submit
to
the
division
requesting
removing
that
reserve
capacity.
We
believe
we
will
have
a
lot
of
support
from
other
utilities
in
the
area
on
that
issue,
because
we
don't
believe
the
sate
has
Authority
in
our
current
permanent.
We
have
some
flow
tiers.
E
There
are
three
tiers
of
maximum
capacity
with
50
MGD
than
42
and
34
million
gallons
per
day
when
we
operate
in
those
capacity
ranges
that
gives
us
a
little
more
flexibility
in
complying
with
some
lower
effluent
limitations.
The
state
wants
to
take
that
flow
tier
out
of
our
permit.
We
believe
it's
some
flexibility
that
we
should
retain,
so
we
will
be
requesting
retaining
those
flow
tiers.
E
Some
of
the
other,
smaller
changes
to
the
permit
copper
is
a
is
a
standard
because
of
aquatic
life.
Copper
is
toxic.
If
you
throw
copper
sulfate
into
water,
with
algae,
it'll
kill
the
algae.
We
have
a
what's
called
an
alternatives:
analysis
that
shows
that
had
a
result
of
a
limitation
of
about
30
micrograms
per
liter
of
copper.
The
state
wants
to
change
their
mind
on
what
they
approved
several
years
ago,
so
they're
lowering
that
number
down
to
9.5.
E
Ammonia
again
is
toxic
to
aquatic
life.
We
have
some
pretty
significant
limitations
on
ammonia
in
our
current
permit.
The
state
is,
has
done
a
slight
recalculation.
The
numbers
are
a
little
bit
lower,
so
we're
not
expecting
any
compliance
problems
with
that
or
any
additional
equipment
to
meet
that
ammonia
limitation.
That
is
a
little
bit
lower.
We
will
be
reviewing
what
they
did
to
make
sure
they
made
that
calculation
correct,
but
it's
right
now
we
don't
we're
not
going
to
request
any
change
in
that.
The
next
issue
is
uranium.
E
That's
a
drinking
water
standard,
the
drinking
water
standard
is
30
micrograms
per
liter,
and
this
is
a
new
limitation
for
us.
The
state
has
required
us
to
monitor
for
uranium
over
the
past
five
five
to
seven
years
and
we've
done
that,
but
they
want
to
put
in
the
limit
of
the
drinking
water
limit
of
30
micrograms
per
liter.
We
don't
believe
that
they
should
be
doing
that
and
we're
making
comments
in
that
regard
to
remove
the
uranium
limit
from
our
permit.
E
Chlorine
is
what
we
use
to
disinfect
the
wastewater
to
kill
bacteria
before
it
gets
into
the
South
Platte
River.
We
currently
have
a
daily
limit
for
for
chlorine
and,
again
that's
aquatic
life.
Chlorine
is
pretty
toxic
to
aquatic
life,
so
we
have
a
very,
very
low
limit
and
that's
on
a
daily
basis.
The
state
is
proposing
to
add
on
to
that
limit
by
including
a
different
averaging
period
for
chlorine
they've.
E
E
Toxicity
is
on
here,
because
we
we
actually
do
try
to
measure
the
toxicity
of
our
effluent
as
it
goes
into
the
river.
We
have
we
test
two
separate
organisms,
you'd
be
glad
to
know
that
one
is
the
Fathead
minnow
and
the
other
is
Serio
Daphnia.
So
you
can
take
that
home
tonight
and
while
you're
Nate
I
guess
Eric
won't
be
bringing
it
at
home.
It's
called.
It's
called
whole
effluent
toxicity
and
basically
our
current
limitations
are
for
acute
standards
and
that
basically
means
the
those
two
organisms
live
or
die.
E
If
they
live,
we
pass
if
they,
if
they
die,
we
fail,
and
so
far
we've
been
passing
that
consistently.
We
don't
have
any
permit
violations
on
that
one.
The
state
wants
to
add
on
to
that
chronic
limitations.
That's
the
longer
term
effects
on
aquatic
life,
that's
growth
and
reproduction.
So
these
are
the
fish
in
the
in
the
the
Sri
Daphnia.
Do
they
grow?
Are
they
happy
where
they
are
living
and
do
they
reproduce
and
have
offspring
like
they
should?
E
And
if
they
do
that,
and
we
passed
the
test,
if
they
don't,
if
they're
not
happy
and
something
goes
wrong
with
them
or
they
get
grumpy
or
whatever,
then
we
fail
the
test
so
far
we
have
been
running
that
test
also,
and
we've
been
passing
that
consistently.
So
we
don't
believe
there's
any
problem
with
accepting
this
limitation
in
the
permit.
E
One
of
the
things
we
try
to
do
when
these
briefings
is
keep
is
keep
the
information
the
same
between
the
Littleton
City
Council
and
the
Inglewood
City
Council
I've
been
told.
Littleton
is
interested
in
Farmar
pharmaceuticals
and
personal
care
products.
People
piece
piece:
PP,
CPS,
contaminants
of
emerging
concern,
that's
easier
for
me
to
say
those
are
basically
endocrine
disruptors
that
we
can.
That
can
be
in
basically
the
wastewater
that
comes
out
of
homes
and
we
get
that
our
plant
is
not
designed
to
treat
those
chemicals
and
right
now
there's
a
lot
of
the
once.
E
The
work
is
being
done
on
how
to
measure
them
determine
what
the
impact
is.
If
any
and
it's
a
whole
suite
of
chemicals
that
we
really
aren't
involved
with
yet
so
we
don't
have
any
of
those
limitations
in
our
permit.
Colorado
was
working
on
one,
that's
called
nonylphenol,
it's
in
cleaning
products,
and
we
don't
have
that
in
our
permanent,
so
we
won't
be
dealing
with
endocrine
disruptors,
PP
CPS,
for
the
duration
of
the
permit,
which
is
typically
five
to
seven
years.
E
There
are
some
positive
results.
We
have
fewer
parameters
to
monitor
the
state,
has
given
us
a
some
relaxed
monitoring
requirements
in
some
areas
we
do
have
reporting
requirements
instead
of
some
numeric
limits
for
several
parameters.
Again,
I
mentioned
that
just
mentioned
the
monitoring
frequencies
have
been
reduced
in
some
places.
The
main
temperature
requirements
are
not
effective
until
2031,
and
we
thought
that
was
a.
We
believe
that
was
a
very
good
thing
to
get
accomplished
and
we
were
looking
at
the
possibility
of
having
to
remove
nitrate
now
as
part
of
the
nutrient
control
issue.
E
The
state
has
given
us
a
compliance
schedule
that
ties
nitrate
removal
to
phosphorus
removal.
So
we
have
five
years,
and
just
so,
you
know
that
represented
about
a
300
to
500
thousand
dollar
a
year
cost
so
we're
avoiding
that
cost
over
the
next
five
years
by
not
having
to
remove
nitrate.
So
the
next
steps
are
to
actually
get
our
comments
together
and
get
them
submitted
to
the
division
by
the
22nd.
The
water
quality
control
division
typically
takes
two
to
three
months
or
more.
E
To
respond
to
those
comments,
they
basically
go
into
a
dark
room
where
nobody
talks
to
them.
You
can't
call
them
and
they
develop
their
responses
to
comments
and
then
make
any
changes
they
believe
necessary
in
the
permit
and
then
the
permit
is
issued.
So
we
will
probably
back
to
you
in
several
months
on
the
results
of
that
effort
on
the
part
of
the
division.
Now
we
don't
know
what
the
result
is
going
to
be,
but
that
was
one
we'll
be
back
and
let
you
know
what
the
final
decision
of
the
division
is.
J
E
J
E
E
K
A
So
we're
at
half
we're
at
half
of
what
the
capacity
is
so
whether
they
raise
it
to
50
or
55
were
or
so
far
we're
not
close
to
using
the
capacity
we're
not
in
danger
that
correct
okay
and
then
there
were
a
lot
of
comments
on
here.
I
mean
because
there's
not
well
don't
usually
have
a
by
city's
meeting
for
these
kind
of
things,
so
that
we're
both
councils
are
meeting.
At
the
same
time.
Oh.
A
The
permit-
and
then
you
have
a
lot
of
information
in
here
where
you're
making
comments
that
it
requires
study
and
design
and
construction,
and
then
there
are
gonna
be
a
little
bit
more
information
in
that.
Are
you
providing
them
more
information
for
the
permit,
and
what
that
study
is
what
that
design?
What
possible
construction
which
are
looking
for
I,
mean
I,
guess
I
was
expecting
more
of
a
kind
of
document
of
what
you
would
be
giving
to
them
and
what
the
permit
requirements
were
in
there.
A
E
It
will
be
when
the
division
finalizes
their
comment,
their
comments,
finalizes
our
permit
we've
been
a
current
permit,
expired
two
years
ago,
so
we've
been
operating
under
an
administrative
extension,
so
we
have,
we
haven't
been
privy
to
what
the
division
is
doing.
So
we
don't
know,
we
don't
know
what
they
were
going
to
put
in
the
permit.
Now
we
have
the
draft
permit.
We
know
what
we
know,
how
to
proceed
and
we'll
be
putting
together
again
updated,
cost
estimates
and
putting
together
the
financing
packages
and.
A
E
E
A
F
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
I
think
we've
done
this
before,
where
we
haven't
had
all
the
joint
we've
had
one
briefing
and
they've
gotten
another,
so
this
isn't
out
of
the
ordinary.
But
my
question
is:
what
do
you?
What
do
you
think
the
state
might
do
on
these
requests
for
time
expansions
and
if
they
don't
what?
What
is
our
second
plan
or
what?
What
are
you
gonna
do?
Well.
F
C
Thank
you
other
questions
from
Council,
thank
you
for
being
here
this
evening,
unless
you've
got
something
else
to
add
here.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Move
on
to
agenda
item
2,
that
is,
our
2017
budget,
highlight
review
finance
and
administrative
services.
Director
Kathleen
wrinkle
is
here
to
present
and
discuss
the
2017
budget,
highlight
review.
L
We'd
like
to
recap,
the
priority
based
budgeting
methodology,
give
you
a
high-level
overview
of
that
again
real
quickly
and
relate
that
to
our
budget,
and
with
that
show
you
what
opportunities
it
provides
us
we're
going
to
then
take
you
through
a
waltz
through
the
2007
proposed
budget
and
demonstrate
the
priority
based
budgeting
tool
that
we
call
the
rad
tool
that
stands
for
resource
alignment
diagnostic
tool
and
then
I'd
like
to
remind
you
that,
after
this
overview,
next
Monday
we'll
be
going
through
the
individual
budgets
in
in
deeper
detail.
This
is
basically
just
the
over.
L
So,
on
the
priority
based
budgeting,
we
have
the
fiscal
health
which
has
the
the
basic
assumptions
of
you
spend
within
your
means.
You
stay
healthy.
You
establish
your
your
and
maintain
your
reserves,
just
all
the
basics,
and
then
we've
got
the
fiscal
wellness
is.
How
do
you
go
forward?
You
have
to
identify
what
you're
doing
you
have
to
define
what
the
results
are
and
then
align
your
programs
to
the
results.
L
We'll
bring
you
to
the
target
page
page
18
up
on
the
slides
for
I.
Think
if
you're
looking
at
the
individual
presentation,
we
have
the
circle
it,
it
talks
about
the
what
the,
how
and
the
why
that
we're
doing
a
priority
based
budgeting
and
the
what
is
what
we
do
and
what's
the
highest
priority.
What's
the
highest
improvement,
the
how
we
do
it
is,
how
are
we
going
to
achieve
the
results?
How
much
is
it
going
to
cost
us
and
then
what
the?
Why,
which
is
the
center
is?
Why
are
we
doing
this?
L
L
So
getting
to
that
target,
we've
got
party
results
that
we've
set
up
for
the
city
and
we've
got
eight
of
them
here,
the
the
last
one
being
governance,
the
other
seven
relate
to
community
results,
making
sure
that
we've
got
a
thriving
and
vibrant
community,
sustainable
natural,
effective
mobility
and
reliable
infrastructure.
All
those
good
things
yes,
ma'am.
L
L
So
I'm
moving
to
the
next
page.
What
that
does
this
gives
you
a
quick
look
at
all
of
our
funds
and
then
just
our
general
fund,
and
you
can
see
from
the
pie
charts
that
the
community
results.
The
governance
results
are
very
similar
between
the
two
and
that
most
of
what
we
do
is
related
to
community
results.
L
Okay,
the
next
slide
is
a
little
bit
more
colorful.
These
are
the
community
results
and
kind
of
tiny
to
read
up
there,
but
it's
the
same
ones.
We
saw
on
the
other
page,
thriving
and
vibrant
local
economy.
We've
got
a
sustainable
natural
environment
and
so
forth.
You
will
notice
that
the
largest
contributors
to
this
are
the
dark.
Blue
is
the
fire,
then
the
green
next
to
it
is
the
police
and
I'm.
Looking
at
the
top
bar
the
turquoise
bar
bar
as
utilities
and
the
smaller
green
on
the
far
end
is
wastewater.
L
Now
I
mentioned
the
wastewater
in
that
bar
because
you
notice
it's
larger
and
some
of
the
others.
What
we
have
found
is
we've
gone
through
looking
at
our
programs
compared
to
the
two.
The
results
is
that
a
lot
of
these
programs
across
all
of
many
of
the
different
results
we
wanted
to
have,
so
you
may
have
something:
that's
in
you
know:
environment,
let's
say
the
fire
I
mean
they've,
thriving
and
vibrant
I
mean
they're
across
a
lot
of
these,
and
a
lot
of
their
programs
are
leveraged.
That
way.
L
L
What
I'd
like
to
point
out,
as
you
notice,
there's
no
totals
to
the
right
of
this
page
and
that's
because
if
we
were
to
add
them
up,
it
would
add
up
way
more
than
what
we've
got
for
budget
and
that's
because
again,
we've
leveraged
those
programs
across
several
different
results.
So
if
you've
got
something
that
it's
a
hundred
thousand
and
it
provides
you
with
an
attractive
and
engaged
inclusive
environment,
neighborhood
you'll
see
that
there
and
you'll
also
see
that
hundred
thousand
in
an
orderly,
well-managed
growth
and
development.
That's
an
example.
L
So
if
we
move
to
the
next
slide,
it
gives
you
a
little
bit
higher
level
view
of
the
different
community
results,
the
dollars
that
are
in
those
buckets,
and
you
notice
that's
almost
two
hundred
forty
six
thousand
or
million
dollars.
Our
real
budget
in
this
area
is
73
million
dollars,
so
we've
leveraged
those
dollars
three
ways
in
a
lot
of
the
cases
and
we'll
look
at
the
governance
results.
We
have
units
in
here
that
don't
touch
on
the
community
that
well,
but
they
do
support
how
well
we
run
the
city
across
the
top.
L
H
L
L
It
was
too
far
too
fast,
my
back
there
we
go.
So
when
we
looked
at
our
programs,
we
evaluated
them
on
five
basic
attributes,
making
sure
if
they
were
mandated
relied
on
the
city
versus
other
people.
We
could
rely
on.
Was
there
a
change
in
demand
for
these
programs?
Did
we
recover
costs
and
what
portion
of
the
community
or
organization
was
served?
L
So
if
we
look
what
was
mandated,
you
can
see
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
dollars
there,
especially
in
what
we
would
call
best
practice
and
standards.
So
the
opportunity
that
this
provides
for
us
is
to
take
a
look
at
these
dollars
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
priority
two
zero
and
one
on
the
far
left.
L
If
you
look
at
those
categories,
the
opportunities
that
we
have
are
to
evaluate
those
programs
and
take
a
look
at
the
ones
that
aren't
highly
mandated
see
if
we've
got
alternate
options
to
provide
those
services,
the
ones
at
the
top
in
the
score
of
four
and
three
take
a
look
at
those
and
say:
are
we
providing
more
than
we
need
to?
Maybe
the
mandate
isn't
that
high?
Maybe
we're
going
over
and
above
and
beyond,
we
don't
need
to
so
we'll
be
looking
at
those
opportunities
as
well.
L
If
you
look
on
at
the
reliance
on
the
city
to
provide
these
programs
I
think
the
opportunities
here
are
in
the
two
one
and
zero
category
again,
where
we
look
and
we
say,
can
we
partner
where
we
can
we
move
this
to
private?
Does
that
make
more
sense?
And
if
you
take
a
look
at
category
three,
you
might
ask
the
question:
is
this
the
best
way
to
provide
the
service?
Do
we
have
other
ways
we
could
provide
it
rather
than
manage
contractors
with
it.
L
The
change
in
demand
for
the
program,
we
believe
the
opportunities
here
are
with
the
no
change
and
the
less
demand,
and
this
is
a
service
that
residents
really
want
need
and
at
what
level
do
they
want
it
needed?
Or
is
it
something
that
we
could
do
something
different
with
the
fixed
cost
at
the
bottom
I'm
going
to
point
that
out?
Is
the
council
cost?
We
didn't
feel
we
we're
gonna
categorize
that
in
any
way,.
L
So
cost
recovery
of
the
program.
We
feel
our
opportunities
here,
almost
an
average
category.
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
zero
rating,
and
is
there
any
cost
in
this
category
that
we
should
look
at
changing
charging,
for
there
might
be
some
that
we
don't
want
to,
but
maybe
there
are
some
that
we
aren't
recovering
it
should
and
in
the
ones
that
we
are
recovering.
Do
we
have
the
right
studies
in
place
that
say
that
we're
charging
the
right
rates
should
we
be
charging
more,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
that
too.
L
L
L
L
This
is
probably
a
refresher,
but
I
did
want
to
put
it
up
here
to
say
these
are
all
the
funds
that
we
manage.
We've
got
the
ones
on
the
far
left
that
are
the
general
funds.
The
governmental
type
fix
fund
types.
Then
you
have
your
enterprise
funds,
your
internal
service
funds
and
then
the
funds
that
are
pretty
much
the
Trust's
and
so
forth.
So
our
2017
budget
includes
all
of
the
governmental
fund
types.
F
K
F
M
K
A
Her
questions
legitimate
because
you
have
a
lot
of
things
in
here
where
you're
talking
about
leveraging
ten
million
into
30
million
and
where
you
would
get
the
services
elsewhere
and
that's
certainly
assets
and
a
function
of
what
the
city
has
provided,
both
financially
and
in
assets
and
our
board
and
our
overseeing
it.
So
she
brings
up
a
really
good
question.
A
That's
a
huge
asset
that
we
have
in
in
here,
and
not
all
of
this
is
real
money
and
real
stuff
that
your
document
you're
talking
about
how
we're
leveraging
things
and
how
we're
you
know,
I'll
just
keep
with
your
word
leveraging.
So
maybe
MIT
should
be
included.
It's
a
huge
asset
that
we
provide
in
this
community.
So
I,
don't
know
why,
when
we're
doing
something
and
you're
talking
about
how
we've
probably.
C
A
To
remind
I
mean
part
of
the
services
and
stuff
that
we're
doing
for
our
elderly
citizens
and
housing
and
that
we've
put
a
huge
amount
into
so
I
actually
I
think
it
is
because
we've
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
it
in
the
past.
We
spend
money
on
it
in
certain
ways,
so
I
mean
we
have
to
take
care
of
that.
Certainly
so
I
think
Rita's
question
was
legitimate.
C
H
F
A
M
L
L
L
F
M
N
N
That
what
you're
seeing
in
this
particular
budget
is
again
as
things
are
today,
and
so
when
we
start
to
forecast
again,
it
just
takes
the
snapshot
of
today
and
projects
that
as
if
there
aren't
any
changes
into
the
future,
we
have
not
included
or
incorporated,
but
for
a
few
capital
projects
that
have
been
on
the
long
term
or
your
mid
term.
Capital
projects
list
is
presented
earlier
this
year,
but
there
haven't
been
any
additions
for
any
land
use,
changes
or
anything.
N
C
C
A
Think
that
the
current
complan
is
he
brought
up,
but
I,
don't
think
the
current
company
is
necessarily
a
land
use
document
I
mean
the
things
that
have
been
done
here
and
according
to
Kathy,
all
of
the
priority
based
budgeting
results
that
all
of
these
eight
issues
are
all
actually
all
equal
with
each
other
and
that
we
haven't
done
the
priority
piece
of
this.
So
if
everything
is
a
priority,
then
I
mean
I.
Don't
think
that
the
community
would
agree
that
these
are
all
of
equal
value
and
I.
A
C
A
A
N
Answer
that
mayor
these
particular
priority
results.
These
eight
results
emanated
from
three
three
particular
places
number
one
from
the
2014
National
Citizen
survey.
These
were
all
priorities
that
emanated
or
bubbled
up
to
the
top
that
the
citizens
made
very
clear
in
that
scientifically
significant
survey
as
to
what
their
concerns
were.
Secondarily,
when
we
did
a
lot
of
the
public
engagement
for
the
comprehensive
plan,
those
some
of
these
same
themes
came
up,
and
so
that's
the
second
area,
third
area,
where
these
priority
results
came
from.
Where
were
you
as
council?
N
Some
of
you
were
not
the
council
at
the
time,
however,
there
were
discussions
as
to
what
some
of
the
priorities
were
and
council
helped
to
weigh
in
on
that
taken
all
together
and
put
into
a
funnel
and
they
distilled
out.
These
eight
results
did
come
about
as
the
final
results
of
the
priorities
for
that
for
the
community,
and
underneath
these
eight
results
there
are
over
700
programs
that
the
city
currently
provides
that
roll
up
under
each
of
these
areas,
some
under
good
governance,
some
under
you
know
safe
and
healthy
community.
N
So
those
programs,
then,
are
scored
utilizing.
The
five
questions
that
miss
wrinkle
read
earlier.
The
basic
program
attributes
are
a
mandated.
Has
there
been
a
change
in
level
of
service?
What's
the
cost
recovery?
What's
the
portion
of
the
community
served?
That's
how
you
determine
the
priority
of
those
particular
programs
that
fall
into
quartiles
times.
N
1
&
2
are
very
aligned
with
those
results:
quartile
3,
&,
4
less,
and
so
that
is
where
we're
gonna
have
the
opportunity
to
look
at
the
reallocation
of
those
resources,
perhaps
in
those
quartile
3,
&,
4
programs,
or
even
bolstering
or
strengthening
quartile
1
&
2
programs
such
as
safe
and
healthy
community.
We
know
that
we
need
to,
or
in
the
next
period
of
time,
provide
the
police
with
more
resources
out
on
the
street
with
officers,
and
so
how
are
we
going
to
do
that?
N
If
we
were
to
start
to
then
now
decide
which
is
most
important
to
safe
and
healthy,
more
important
that
becomes
part
of
our
discussion,
I
believe
in
2017,
as
we
further
look
at
creating
that
sustainable
future,
so
that
in
2019
you
do
not
see
this
rapid
decline
and
we
are
not
in
conformity
with
our
our
reserve
policy
and
our
revenues
and
expenditures
are
more
closely
tied
together.
So
it.
A
Just
want
to
clarify
that,
then
these
these
priorities
for
this
budget
have
already
been
set.
I,
guess
being
new
on
council
I
had
been
waiting
for
this
year
for
us
to
set
the
priorities.
I
didn't
realize
they
had
already
been
set
by
the
2014
scientifically
significant
survey
and
that
the
previous
council
had
set
them
that
they
are
the
ones
that
are
incorporated
in
this
current
complan
that
we're
working
on,
and
then
we
will
be
going
on
as
this
council
to
go
ahead
and
define
those
priorities.
But
these
are
the
priorities
as
you've
already
defined
them.
O
N
M
C
You
know
and
I'll
just
note,
I
think
the
higher
scoring
quartiles
are
actually
the
ones
we
want
to
keep
in
the
lower
scoring
quartiles
are
the
ones
we
need
eliminate,
just
so
we're
all
kind
of
using
the
same
language
here
around
the
table
and
then
I
think
until
the
rets
point,
I
suppose.
If
this
council
had
some
issues
with
these,
we
could
be.
You
know,
reevaluating
the
language
used
to
sort
of
couch
those
eight
categories.
If
council
wanted
to
discuss
that
at
further
depth
or.
A
A
This
way
because,
like
I,
said,
I
thought
we
were
going
to
be
doing
priorities
as
this
council
and
as
it
comes
out
now
kind
of
late
in
the
game
a
month
away
from
us
voting
on
a
budget,
it's
kind
of
was
already
set,
so
I
just
want
to
know
that
what
we're
using
and
how
this
was
going.
That's
all
again.
C
In
my
mind,
the
priorities
have
not
been
set.
You
know
there
is
some
suggestion
from
staff
here,
but
again
what
we're
talking
about
or
some
of
these
outcomes.
These
aren't
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
prioritize
we're
trying
to
prioritize
I
think
the
programs
and
outcomes
that
come
up
underneath
those
again
as
well.
I'll,
reiterate,
Linnet.
F
Confused
I
think
the
categories
are
what
have
been
developing
over
time.
Is
that
correct,
the
eighth,
and
so,
if
there's
something
significantly
left
out
of
one
of
those
eights,
we
certainly
should
be
having
that
conversation,
but
they
look
incredibly
comprehensive
to
me
it's
what
we
do
under
each
one
of
those
and
how
we
then
make
choices
this
next
budget.
Where
will
we
cut
them
based
on
these
four
quadrants?
That
will
be
helpful
to
us.
We
haven't
done
it
like
before.
F
Yeah
I
mean
it's
the
language
I'm
not
and
I,
don't
want
to
be
wordsmithing
tonight.
Nor,
but
I
do
think
that
this
provides
a
really
helpful
kind
of
sifting
between
these
four.
You
know
four
through
zero
down
on
under
each
one,
but
the
fact
that
you
said
that
all
eight
are
considered
the
same
I
think
tells
us
straight
up
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
emphasize
some
things
within
them.
If
we
think
that
that's
more
accurate
but
National.
L
F
L
L
The
next
slide,
just
kind
of
goes
through
our
quick
assumptions.
We've
got
the
proposed
budget
is
conservative.
We've
got
it
in
compliance
with
our
reserve
policy.
We
are
getting
eight
hundred
thousand
earlier
than
we
thought
from
the
e
Murph
Road
development
being
returned,
and
we
do
not
have
any
additional
funds
to
transfer
to
capital
this
year.
L
This
gives
you
a
fairly
detailed
idea
of
what's
going
into
our
revenue.
What's
creating
our
revenue
for
the
general
fund
sales
and
use
tax
being
the
largest
piece
property
tax
is
one
of
the
larger
pieces
right
underneath
sales
tax
and
that
did
not
move
much
at
all
from
2016
and
that's
because
they
evaluate
every
other
year.
L
So
here's
the
assumptions
that
we
have
our
sales
and
use
tax
in
16.
We
had
it
at
3
percent
and
we've
brought
that
down
with
our
adjusted
as
to
where
we
really
think
it's
going
to
come
in
this
year
and
proposing
one
percent
for
next
year,
because
we
really
aren't
seeing
the
growth.
But
we
were
expecting
property
taxes
flat
right.
Underneath
that
you'll
see
the
forecasts
that
the
state
has
and
the
metro,
Denver
retail
trades.
B
L
J
N
In
mind
no
council
that,
because
of
Tabor,
you
know,
there's
a
there's
a
cap
upon
which
property
taxes
can
be
assessed
and
that
number
gets
ratcheted
down
every
year.
So
we
actually
get
the
number
directly
from
the
treasurer
at
the
county
as
to
what
they're
going
to
be
loving
on
our
behalf,
and
so
that's
the
number
that
we
have
to
put
into
the
budget,
we
do
anticipate
that
there
will
be
a
revaluation
of
real
estate
again,
not
in
seventeen
but
the
following
year.
N
B
L
N
H
L
L
These
are
the
assumptions
for
the
expenditures.
We
have
the
three
points
in
three
percent
average
wage
salary
increase
to
keep
us
on
par
with
other
talent
and
the
increases
they're
seeing
outside
of
a
city.
Medical
insurance
is
increasing
five
percent
and
we're
able
to
keep
our
dental
insurance
flat
and
there's
some
very
various
statistics
that
go
from
two
point.
Four,
two,
three
two,
two
three
two
point
seven,
and
so
we
just
picked
an
average
of
three
to
give
us
a
little
little
room,
the
CPI
you
it
means
CPI
urban
and
that's
the
non
salary
increase.
L
This
these
are
the
other
financing
sources,
the
transfers
in
and
out
and
we've
got
the
detail
there.
The
117
proposed
in
the
budget,
verse
17,
is
from
the
public
improvement,
offset
capital
lease
payments,
the
qualified
in
energy
conservation
and
the
silver
ground
lease,
and
there
are
no
transfers
out.
P
G
C
G
C
H
L
E
H
P
P
P
R
G
C
H
L
K
H
H
L
C
P
P
We've
scored
those
programs
not
only
against
the
results,
the
eight
results
and,
as
well
as
having
a
peer
review
that
provided
a
quality
control
of
our
programs
and
how
the
Department
scored
their
programs
to
the
results,
as
well
as
costing
our
programs.
So
we've
got
all
the
data
now
into
this
resource
alignment.
Diagnostic
tool
called
rad
2.0,
and
we
also
will
provide
you
login
credentials
so
that
you'll
be
able
to
log
in
and
also
navigate
through
this
tool
after
tonight.
So
tonight,
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
a
high
overview
of
what
you'll
be
seeing.
P
P
Can
be
it's
what
we
would
like
it?
You
know
what
what
we
as
an
organization
determine
its
use
to
be
me
personally,
I
think
the
citizens
would
be.
You
know
interested
in
seeing
the
various
programs
we
offer
what
the
costs
are,
and
they
too
could
you
know,
weigh
in
on
that
decision-making
adventure,
but
where
you're
going
to
first
log
into
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
screen.
Is
this
analysis
toolpak
and
I'll?
Send
you
screenshots
so
that
you
guys
can
quickly
navigate
to
these
areas
that
we're
going
over
tonight
under
the
cpp
portal?
P
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
high-level
view
of
where
you
can
see.
Cathy
has
shown
you
a
couple
of
graphs
that
showed
the
comparison
of
community
vs.
governance,
results
and
you'll
have
to
remember
every
time
you
click
on
one
of
these
menus.
On
the
left
hand,
side
you
have
to
load
the
data,
that's
something
I've
learned,
I
go
oh
where's.
The
data.
P
If
you
go
over
to
your
community
results,
you
can
see
a
stack
bar
graph
and
you
can
see
all
the
results
and
how
our
programs
influence
those
results.
The
the
color
blue
shows
that
we
there's
a
strong
contribution
or
a
strong
influence
of
those
programs
to
the
results,
and
the
orange
is
little
to
no
contribution,
and
these
are
areas
just
at
a
high
level
view
that
shows
that
we
have
opportunities
to
look
at
some
of
these
programs
and
and
see.
P
P
And
this
has
several
filtering
capabilities
up
at
the
top
you're
able
to
filter
your
program.
So
you
can
see
your
overall
budget
of
80
84
million
for
all
funds.
You
can
select
your
program
type.
You
could
just
look
at
your
community
programs
or
your
governance
programs.
You
could
even
look
at
all
funds
or
a
specific
fund
if
you're
wanting
to
drill
down
and
same
with
your
departments
or
divisions.
Again,
you
can
look
at
all
departments.
P
You
could
just
look
at
one
department
or
a
subdivision
of
that
department
as
well
as
looking
at
overall
your
your
overall
budget,
your
expenditure
budget.
You
can
look
at
what
portion
of
the
of
the
programs
are
funded
by
government
resources,
portions
funded
by
program,
revenues,
direct
costs,
administrative
costs,
personnel
costs
pretty
powerful
and
then
up
at
the
top
you've
seen
this
hundred
and
fifty
four
thousand
for
predominantly
city
council
cost
because
are
gonna
have
fixed
costs.
P
That's
being
allocated
okay,
so
that
those
are
just
your
upper
filters
at
the
top
down
below
you
can
also
filter
on
your
basic
program
attributes
and
the
way
the
scoring
was
anything
that
scored
a
three
or
four
meant
that
the
program
strongly
influenced
the
result,
anything
less
than
that
means
there
were
there
some
influence
to
know
in
Flint
influence.
So
again
you
can
look
at
your.
P
You
know
your
programs
and
your
budget
just
in
terms
of
a
particular
mandate.
You
can
also
look
just
if
you
want
to
look
at
your
quartiles
three
and
four
which
we've
been
looking
at
and
then
you
can
also
look
at
your
range
of
results.
You
can
look
at
all
results
or
you
can
look
at
each
individual
results
in
particular,
but,
as
you
click
on
any
one
of
these
you're
gonna
see
that
your
data
will
will
change
nice.
That
I
wanted
to
look
at
three
and
four,
so
I
should
have
unclipped
one
and
two.
P
P
And
then
up
at
the
up
at
the
top
here
right
now
we're
looking
at
the
rad
model,
so
you're
just
seeing
graphically
this
information,
you
can
also
look
as
a
comparison
to
those
entities
that
are
also
using
priority-based
budgeting.
You
can
see
the
mean
and
then,
where
we
fall,
you
know
towards
the
mean,
so
we
comparatively
speaking,
we
can
see
how
we're
shaping
up
with
others.
P
You
can
also
look
graphically
at
the
department
spending
for
these
particular
programs
and
then
for
this
particular
one.
We
could
also
get
a
download
for
the
quartiles
three
and
four
for
the
general
fund.
We
can
look
at
the
program
tables
and
actually
download
this
data,
and
now
we
can
look
at
each
of
those
programs
that
we've
identified
that
we
wanted
to
look
at
for
the
general
fund
that
have
a
result
of
or
in
earning
quartiles.
Three
and
four
I
should
say.
P
And
then
the
other
I'd
wanted
to
show
you,
and
these
are
the
five
policy
questions
Chris
and
John
have
developed
over
the
years
with
their
various
organizations,
and
these
are
higher
level
questions
for
the
leadership
of
the
organization
to
look
at
and
help
kind
of
guide
the
discussion
of
what
programs
should
we
be
looking
at?
What
makes
sense.
P
And
we
also
can
have
multiple
users
logging
in
with
the
same
sign-on
credentials.
So
that's
why?
For
City
Council
we'll
have
you
each
have
the
same
login
same
password
just
to
keep
it
simple,
but
here
this
is
giving
you
a
summary
of
costs
by
Department
for
those
various
policy.
Questions
that
we'll
be
going
over
just
here
momentarily
also
behind
the
scenes
on
the
second
tab
over.
P
F
H
P
P
P
Total
dollars
spent
is
almost
1.9
million
dollars
that
we
could
be
looking
at
a
little
differently
and
I
spoke
to
John
and
Chris.
They
said
that
this
comparison
here
is
not
working
properly,
so
not
to
look
at
that
at
the
moment
and
then
the
next
policy
question
is
number
two:
are
we
over
providing
to
our
self-imposed
mandates?
So
now
we're
looking
at
city,
ordinances
and
and
so
the
night,
so
just
city
ordinances,
because
number
three
would
have
been
city
charter
ordinance.
P
We
have
a
little
bit
more
control
over
that
we
can
change
relatively
easily
easily
and
again.
There
are
35
programs
that
fall
into
this
category
and
again
they're
quartiles,
three
and
four,
and
about
1.1
million
dollars
overall,
that
we
could
be
looking
at
and
seeing
if
we
could
spend
that
a
little
bit
differently.
P
And
this
one
was
pretty
pretty
telling
that
we
have
quite
a
few
opportunities
that
we
might
have
with
other
organizations
around
and
again
with
Figgis.
We
can
change
the
view
right
now.
If
we
did
because
right
now
we
were
looking
at
all
funds
now,
if
we
just
narrow
that
search
to
just
the
general
fund,
we
still
have
quite
a
bit
of
an
opportunity
of
of
sharing.
A
P
No
here
they
should,
they
will
not
be
because
we're
looking
at
the
whole
budget
when
I,
when
I
show
you
another
download.
When
we're
looking
at
the
summary
you're
going
to
see
that
we're
we're
we're
leveraging
our
dollars
there,
there
will
be
some
programs
that
do
cross
multiple
results,
and
that's
where
you
have
to
be
careful,
because
you
might
say,
oh
here.
R
H
P
P
H
P
P
P
And
we're
still
learning
this
process.
We
just
went
through
this
exercise
for
the
very
first
time
with
our
2016
budget
and
just
going
through
the
various
exercises
we're
realizing.
There
might
be
some
programs,
we
can
collapse
and
some
programs
we
might
need
to
expand
and
possibly
add
to
it
and
Jenny.
P
J
P
Is
a
very
exciting
tool,
I
mean
you
can
see
the
opportunities
here
and
and
weed
it.
Just
was
rolled
out
to
us
mid,
mid
July,
so
we're
getting
everybody's
getting
up
to
speed
very
quickly
and
seeing
the
opportunities
available
to
us
and
then
the
last
policy
question
is:
are
there
programs
best
provided
by
the
private
sector.
R
P
C
Use
this
tool-
I
guess
I,
do
have
a
question,
and
that
is
when
will
we
actually
be
identifying
the
program?
So
we've
done
this
great
analysis,
we've.
You
know
certain
amount
of
programs
and
three
and
four
that
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
when
we
actually
dive
into
the
programs.
Here's
the
programs
that
have
been
identified
and
here's
what
they
do
and
console
should
probably
consider
them.
C
L
N
Because
again,
there
may
be
some
very
difficult
decisions
that
have
to
be
made
to
the
public
about
hours
of
operation
or
just
programs
in
general
that
we
provide
to
the
citizenry
today
that
that
may
need
to
be
curtailed
if
in
fact,
we're
not
able
to
identify
other
ways
and
means
in
which
to
have
a
structurally
balanced
budget
in
the
future.
So
you'll
hear
a
few
of
the
programs
next
week
that
are
going
to
be
highlights
for
each
of
the
department's,
but
actually
getting
in
and
diving
deeper
and
looking
at
quartile
nature
of
those
programs.
C
Thank
you
we'll
work
on
that.
No
I
think
it's
an
awesome
tool
for
council
as
well
as
potentially
for
the
public
here
once
we
kind
of
get
our
arms
around
how
to
use
it
and
what
we
know
kind
of
what
we're
doing.
I
apologize
about
the
confusion
about
the
quartiles
I'm,
realizing
some
of
those
previous
scores,
we're
kind
of
throwing
me
off
on
what
number
high
number
or
what
a
low
number
sort
of
met.
So
I
apologize
on
the
confusion,
I
think
about
some
of
that
quartile.
C
You
know,
as
far
as
the
fixed
cost
I
assume
that
includes
all
of
our
Professional
Development
Fund
and
all
that
stuff.
You
know
that
number
seemed
relatively
high
for
the
seven
of
us,
but
maybe
that's
just
me.
It
doesn't
match
up
with
my
cheque
that
I
get
in
the
mail,
unfortunately,
so
I
think
that
includes
all
of
council's
activities,
including
professional
development
and
everything
else.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
Everyone
for
that
discussion,
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
4,
which
is
the
comp
plan,
Community
Development,
Director
Brad
power
is
present
to
discuss
the
comprehensive
plan
we've
seen
in
memorandum
that
highlight
highlight
where
we
let
off
you
know
with
some
additional
discussion
with
the
city
manager.
I
would
like
to
keep
this
discussion
relatively
brief
and
not
use
the
full
budgeted
time
and
perhaps
get
through
one
or
two
of
these
items.
I
guess
I'd
like
to
begin
with
any
cleanups
of
the
green
items
that
staff
has
proposed
to
us.
C
C
You,
sir
okay,
then
let's
move
on
to
goal
learned
three
that
is
improved:
community
safety,
cleanliness,
visual
beauty
and
civic
pride.
I
won't
read
all
the
objectives
under
there,
but
there
are
seven
of
them
and
I'd
open
it
up
to
discussion
on
those
I
apologize.
I
do
not
have
council
comments
in
front
of
me.
I,
don't
believe
on
these,
so
I'm,
relying
on
whoever
you
know
the
council
member
who
might
have
an
issue
with
it
to
step
forward
and
begin.
The
discussion
here.
A
Just
in
all,
fairness
has
got
I,
don't
know
how
it
could
put
back
on
the
agenda
because
we
had-
and
you
guys
weren't
originally
on
the
agenda
for
tonight,
because
it
was
ordinance
34
and
then
after
our
packet
got
sent
out.
So
I
don't
have
the
hard
copy
this
after
our
packet
was
sent
out.
The
agenda
was
changed,
let's
in
time
on
Friday,
to
go
ahead
and
put
this
in.
So
thank
you
for
being
able
to
rearrange
that
would
I,
don't.
C
C
That
I
would
suggest
that
the
you
know
place
that
the
public
needs
to
go
for
the
agenda
is
the
notice
posting
itself
and
not
the
audio
of
the
meeting.
I
think
the
audio
of
the
meeting
is
used
to
supplement
that
notice
posting
and
provides
an
additional
level
of
transparency
that
this
government
can
provide
that
you
know
candidly
no
administration
in
the
past
has
provided
so
I.
Think
it's
a
it's
a
wonderful
thing
and
I
think
it's
just
a
supplement
of
information
to
the
public
I'd
like
to
move
on.
Did
you
have
something
else.
A
C
Don't
think
so
either
I'm
just
pointing
out
that
I,
don't
think
that's
required,
and
but
I
will
keep
that
in
mind
again.
I
think
the
interest
here
is
to
provide
as
much
transparency
to
the
public
as
possible
on
these
matters
again,
we're
on
goal
learn
three.
If
we'd
like
to
get
to
the
matter
at
hand
this
evening,
that
is
the
comp
plan.
I
would
tane
questions
or
comments
on
that.
Please,
at
this
time,
Rita
okay,
can
we
share
a
mic
with
Rita,
please.
M
C
O
O
M
O
M
O
M
C
A
We
first
brought
this
up.
I
mean
we
were
told
that
you
couldn't
because
it
caused
a
huge
amount
of
problems.
You
had
the
historical
preservation,
people
who
had
been
talked
to
things
had
been
taken
in
and
out.
You
had
Planning
and
Zoning
where
things
have
been
taken
in
and
out.
We
didn't
know
if
it
was
planning
and
zoning
or
whether
it
was
staff
and
going
back
through
those
documents
that
had
been
both,
and
we
were
assured
that
going
forward.
A
O
What
I
believe
we
were
indicating
is
that
we
could
put
together
the
goals
and
objectives
in
the
format
that
you
see
here,
there's
no
way
that
we
can
take
this
document,
the
comprehensive
plan
draft
and
add
or
edit
the
document
in
any
convenient
way.
Simply
because
of
the
format
that
it's
in.
If
the.
If
the
document
were
in
a
Word
format,
it
would
be
very
easy
to
make
adjustments
take
out
text
highlight
underline
strikethrough,
but
with
the
Adobe
software
that
was
used
to
do
this,
we
don't
have
that
capabilities.
So
what
I've
done
is
transcribed.
A
F
I,
remember
the
conversation
just
a
little
bit
different
and
I
think
you've
come
up
with
what
we
asked
you
for,
which
was
what
it
was
and
what
the
revised
is
and
that
that's
the
way
we
have
to
do
it.
I
am
I
hearing
from
some
of
you
that
you
want
to
know
who
exactly
changed
it
to
be
that
way,
because
we
did
we're
the
ones
who
revised
it
right.
I
mean
these
revisions.
I
F
Revisions,
no
one
else's
at
this
point:
we're
not
able
to
go
back
and
say
planning
and
zoning
change
this
one
because
that's
done
and
over
with
or
historical
societies
to
historical
stuff
got
left
out
because
so-and-so
pulled
it
out.
It's
we
can't
do
that
anymore,
but
we
can
show
where
we've
made
changes
correct.
O
O
C
O
M
A
You
well
I
would
suggest
some
in
Excel
that
you
can
go
ahead
and,
at
least
in
the
body
of
it,
make
sure
that
right
where
the
change
is
being
made
under
the
comment
section
I
mean
you
could
go
ahead
and
make
sure
that
that's
available
within
that
document,
without
having
to
go
to
a
separate
document,
which
was
what
we
were
trying
to
avoid.
I.
C
Mean
again,
I'm
relatively
comfortable
with
the
process
here
you
know,
especially
given
where
we're
at
with
things
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
feel
out
if
the
majority
of
council
was
okay
or
if
they
wanted
to
try
to
direct
staff
for
some
additional
I'm,
seeing
a
lot
of
nodding
and
so
I'm
just
gonna
move
on
again
and
move
on
to
again
go
learn
three
and
so
again.
I'll
accept
additional
comments
on
the
goal
or
the
objectives
underneath
and
maybe.
R
K
C
N
C
This
is
becoming
a
bigger
issue
that
I
think
you
preciate
it
for
bringing
it
up,
because,
especially
with
these
LEDs
I
think,
all
of
us
have
probably
received
a
few
phone
calls
regarding
like
pollution
recently,
and
so
can
it
really
impact
our
community
nationwide
I
think
this
is
becoming
a
major
issue.
I
think
when
you
look
at
light
pollution
from
a
larger
sort
of
macro
level,
it
really
is
becoming
a
problem.
C
O
There's
an
educational
component
to
this.
In
fact,
the
the
keep
Englewood
Beautiful
Commission
organizes
a
household
hazardous
waste
and
electronic
recycling
and
that
the
wording
here
may
be
a
little
too
tight.
It
probably
should
reflect
a
broader
environmental
education
component
to
it
and
the
use
of
garbage
and
user
discarded
materials.
It's
basically
trying
to
get
at
recycling
and
responsible
disposal
of
waste
products,
and
maybe.
C
J
J
With
that
particular
one
I
would
assume
that
it's
also
about
what
people
pour
down
the
alleys
and
pour
into
the
waste
water
and
running
their
garden
hoses
with
chlorinated
water
down
the
down
the
gutters
and
that
sort
of
stuff,
I
would
think
is
potentially
just
something
that
goes
out
with
your
water
bill.
Just
you
know
a
little
factsheet
or
you
know
there
you
go,
but
I
did
want
to
say
something
about
the
lighting.
J
Q
C
R
C
C
C
C
F
I
I
would
like
to
have
it
in
there
because
I
mean
yeah.
I
I
have
seen
people
pour
things
down
gutters
and
when
I
have
said
things
to
them,
they're
like
they
had
no
clue
that
that
wasn't
that
you
shouldn't
do
that,
and
it's
like.
Oh,
my
goodness,
do
you
know
what's
going
into
water
and
I,
think
it's
a
lack
of
educates
a
lack
of
informed
decision-making,
I,
don't
think
they're!
Purposely
they
weren't
purposefully
doing
it.
They
weren't
trying
to
say
you
know
secretly.
F
They
were
just
not
informed
and
people
doing
the
same
in
their
homes
and
drains
and
I
appreciate
the
pipeline
from
the
water
department
because
often
they've
run
through.
But
if
you
don't
read
that
you
just
don't
know
with
that,
I
mean
people
even
push
the
leaves
down
that
way
and
let
them
go
into
this.
C
C
M
I
was
gonna
say,
is
on
even
the
first
two
three
one
and
three
two
I
do
think
if
it's
about
learn
education
needs
to
be
in
there
somewhere,
because,
when
you're,
making
these
other
statements
like
continue
and
expand
programs
designed
to
ensure
proper
disposal
of
hazardous
materials
and
the
mitigation
of
environmental
health
hazards
in
the
home.
That
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
learn
piece
of
it
same
thing
on
three
two,
maybe.
F
C
F
F
But
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
came
through
with
things
that
they
just
didn't
know
what
to
do
and
they're
trying
to
get,
and
they
can
actually
dispose
of
them
very
easily
and
in
a
very
certain
way
had
we
not
had
that
program.
We
wouldn't
have
had
the
opportunity
to
educate,
so
the
programs
are
important
to
keep
and
then
make
them
an
educational
opportunity
for
people.
It's
great
value.
All.
C
These
kind
of
goals
and
objectives
just
live
under,
learn
or
is
there
something
that's
kind
of
like
very
similar
to
this
under
another
goal,
heading
that
I'm
kind
of
missing
here?
No,
this
is
kind
where
it
lives.
Yes
and
so
yeah
I
agree.
It's
not
it's
not
just
execution
of
these
items.
It's
also
education
of
these
items,
and
so
it's
probably
a
dual
purpose
of
Education
and
execution.
M
A
F
C
M
J
C
J
C
H
C
C
C
A
H
Q
A
Three:
three:
four:
what
you
were
doing
and
to
read
as
point
on
the
graffiti
and
I,
don't
know
how
people
have
to
learn
not
to
graffiti
their
property.
I
mean
so
I
think
that
that's
somewhat
difficult
when
you're
talking
about
somebody
else,
actions
on
the
part
of
other
people
I
mean
you're.
Not
talking
about
what
do
you
tell
people?
Don't
don't
spray,
your
own
fence,
I?
Think.
C
C
You
know,
I
was
gonna,
suggest
that
mr.
powers
comments
were
for
goal
learned
three,
not
a
objective
learned:
three:
three:
it
was
just
goal
learned
three
and
then,
as
far
as
educational
for
graffiti
I
think
it's
a
lot
about
like
reporting-
and
you
know
these
type
of
things
are,
you
know
like
signatures
out
there,
so
the
PD
would
like
to
come
out.
Take
pictures.
Do
these
types
of
things
and
really
it's
about
education,
I,
think
towards
quick
removal.
I!
Think
that's
the
most
preventative!
You
know.
C
If
you
will
be
visible
to
the
public
for
longer
periods
of
time,
and
so
if
they
run
into
encounter
a
location
where
it's
being
quickly
remedied,
as
our
code
calls
for
within
48
or
72
hours,
I
mean
it's
pretty
quick
and
I
agree
that
you
know
in
some
ways
it's
it's
a
little
bit
a
slippery
slope,
because
the
victim
then
becomes
kind
of
the
person
who's,
not
in
compliance,
but
it
really
does
make
for
a
good
policy
for
quick
removal
and
I.
Think
there
is
a
legit
element
there.
Other
comments
or
questions.
H
F
F
Sorry,
the
Cultural
Arts
Commission
I,
think
has
really
helped
with
this
with
the
graffiti
piece
and
I
do
think
that
graffiti
is
a
form
of
art
in
that
we
forget
that
piece,
but
it
can
be
used
in
a
really
negative
way,
so
incorporating
programs
that
help
us
understand
what
that
is
an
appropriate
places
for
it.
Maybe
you
would
say
the
word
graffiti,
isn't
even
a
positive
word,
but
some
do
see
it
as
a
positive
word.
R
R
F
A
A
Q
M
Q
A
Agree
with
Rita
that
I
haven't
looked
that
up,
considering
we're
using
it
gets
used
quite
a
bit
with
the
Urban
Renewal
Authority,
and
there
are
some
pretty
pretty
specific
definitions
of
it.
That
I'm
not
sure
that
that
fits
in
the
in
this
section
at
all
I
mean
I.
Don't
think
that
who's
supposed
to
learn
about
that?
That's
a
kind
of
weird
thing
to
do
and
I
don't
think
it
belongs
in
there.
K
A
You
were
gonna
do
anything
with,
especially
if
you're
saying,
partner,
with
and
you're
talking
about,
potentially
doing
something
with
urban
renewal
authority.
That
would
have
to
have
a
classification
of
blight
and
then
the
inclusion
of
trying
to
use
taxpayer
monies
in
order
to
restore
brownfield,
which
is
generally
something
that's,
has
a
contamination
issue
with
it.
So
that
would
that's
a
whole
separate
process,
and
that
should
be
under
that
piece
of
it,
not
necessarily
they'll,
learn
part
when
I
don't
think
it
belongs.
There.
F
M
C
Have
a
major
issue
of
it:
I
mean
I,
don't
see
the
term
blight
or
the
Urban
Renewal
Authority
mentioned
I.
You
know
again,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
partner
with
property
owners
I.
You
know
in
my
mind
that
I
don't
even
read
that
necessarily
to
read
a
financial
piece
necessarily
as
required.
Other
comments
or
questions
could.
A
A
C
J
F
The
reason
why
I
asked
about
brownfields
was
what
what
definition
are
we
using
in
this,
and
if
we
are
talking
about,
if
it's
limited
to
environmental,
then
perhaps
it's
a
little
different.
It
needs
to
be
somewhere
else
or
explained
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
could
see.
We've
had
this
happen
and
I
think
Rick.
You've
had
properties
in
your
district
like
this,
even
where
a
couple
homes
are
absolutely
vacant,
no
one
can
find
anybody.
F
There
they're
a
trap
for
people,
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
community
and
understanding
how
to
actually
deal
with
that
property
and
to
teach
about
how
you
know
what
the
responsibility
is
and
whose
responsibility
is.
What
I
don't
know
it's
a
complicated
issue
and
it
has
come
up
over
and
over
again.
Is
that
what
this
is
getting
at?
Do
you
think,
besides
just
the
industrial
areas,
like
maybe
no
Iron
Works,
where
we
had
I.
Q
F
Be
an
honor
you
do
a
light.
Cuz
I
think
we're
getting
sort
of
a
lightning
response
to
brownsfield
as
being
something
we
would
condemn
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
why
I
didn't
read
it
that
way
either.
Is
there
another
term?
That's
not
misinterpreted
I
mean
they
can
for
years
from
now.
If
somebody
read
this
as
some
blighted
property
well,
actually
most
of
these
were
talking
about
were,
but
without
any
need
for
us
to
go
in
and
reclaim
all
right.
Q
I
think
when
you're
talking
about
blighting
properties,
most
of
the
time,
that's
in
the
urban
rural
context,
brownfield
designations
aren't
necessarily
in
that
same
context.
So,
for
instance,
we
have
a
real
world
example
right
now:
we're
playing
a
facilitative
role
on
a
brownfield
loan
application
to
the
state
of
Colorado
up
in
the
Iron
Works
area,
for
one
of
the
developers
up
there,
so
we're
playing
that
role
of
the
intermediary
between
the
state
and
that
applicant.
Q
C
F
C
F
A
Cuz,
when
I
read
it
I
mean
I'm,
not
let
me
go
back
to
what
it
might
have
been
if
they're
talking
about
just
homes
in
the
community
that
are
not
kept
up
or
abandoned,
or
something
like
that.
That's
one
thing:
individual
properties
and
I,
don't
think
brownfield
is
the
proper
term
for
it,
but
I'm
not
true.
So
that's
what
I
was
thinking
was
like
we're
going
to
partner
with
properties
and
I
think
it
said
adjacent
to.
A
With
it,
and
so,
especially
where
it
says
adjacent
to
the
community,
isn't
exactly
making
me
think
that
it's
individual
homes
in
a
residential
area
that
seems
to
be
a
bigger
piece
of
property
that
would
be
next
to
adjacent
to
the
community,
which
would
lead
me
to
a
more
of
an
industrial
feel
for
the
entire
thing.
So
don't
think
that's
why
I
didn't
think
it
belongs
there.
A
C
G
D
C
I
think
to
larette's
point:
you
know
in
these
industrial
areas,
there's
not
a
lot
of
homes,
and
so
some
folks
might
you
know,
coin
the
term
community
and
think
of
that
meaning
residential
areas
versus
industrial
corridors.
So
I
feel,
like
I,
understand
a
little
more
how
she
ended
up
with
the
concern.
C
F
C
You
don't
mind,
maybe
bring
back
some
next
language
at
our
next
meeting.
We
don't
need
to
necessarily
have
all
of
too
many
chefs
ruining
the
ste
right
at
this
moment.
If
you'll
bring
that
back
to
us,
we'll
consider
that
and
honestly
counsel
I
would
like
to
move
off
of
goals.
There
I'm
sorry,
the
comp
plan
at
this
point
to
try
to
leave
some
time
for
substantial
city
manager,
an
attorney's
choice,
so
I
will
move
on
now
to
agenda
item
5,
which
is
council
members
choice.
Rick.
If
you
don't
mind,
we'll
go
around
Robin
Rita.
F
So
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
just
one
place
but
where
volunteers
are
encouraged
or
needed,
but
it
would
be
helpful
in
particularly
when
I
was
thinking
about
cahoots
last
week
to
try
and
consolidate
and
form
someplace,
where
we
were,
whether
it's
just
a
the
portal
with
the
Metro
volunteer
site,
whether
we
stay
with
that
or
something
else
where
we
can
continue
to
push
out
what
the
needs
are
within
the
city
and
what
the
opportunities
are
really
for
the
city
for
our
citizens
to
be
involved.
So
I
guess
the
question
would
be.
F
Is
it
okay
for
Amy
and
I
continue
working
with
these
groups
to
figure
out
what
might
be
some
possible
ways
to
formalize
a
little
bit
more
so
that
when
our
city
manager
comes
up
with
a
great
idea,
it's
part
of
this
and
when
the
police
have
I
mean
Tony
has
just
like
68
people
already
coming
to
this
thing?
That
you've
got
from
her
Academy
folks,
I
think
largely,
but
there
are
lots
of
other
opportunities
like
that,
so
to
find
a
way
to
elevate
that
and
to
promote
it.
F
It's
like
one
of
the
positive
aspects
of
our
community
that
gets
over
by
our
citizens
having
American
citizens
are
really
engaged
in
some
very
positive
things,
and
sometimes
we
don't
hear
that
so
I
guess
we'd
like
to
just
throw
it
out
there
are
you
all,
okay
with
us,
can't
eat
continuing
moving
and
on
that
and
it's
one
of
the
comp
plan
things
that
we
talked
about
earlier
as
well.
So
you.
C
J
F
You
always
had
this
idea.
I
would,
but
we
can't
we,
we
I
think
we
need
to
talk
to
all
the
different
groups
that
are
doing
stuff.
I
mean
Tony's
the
expert
on
that's
right,
but
we
don't
want
to
make
it
her
job,
but
somebody
else
to
decide
that
we
got
to
work
with
a
city
manager
on
what
makes
sense
for
staffing,
because
we
don't
want
to
we're
not
asking
for
a
new
position.
Either
I
mean
there
are
some
committees
that
could
do
really
well
like
keep
Englewood,
beautiful
and
engaged.
F
You
know
and
create
a
little
bit
more,
but
we've
got
to
talk
to
them,
they're
a
whole
new
committee
again,
and
maybe
that's
not
the
right
place.
Maybe
it's
right
now,
Dorothy
has
been
doing
it
out
of
libraries
and
her
resource
people
have
been
doing
research
and
keeping
things
you
know
in
the
Malley.
Center
is
another
one
that
has
a
lot
of
volunteer
opportunities.
F
C
F
C
Us
know-
and
we
can
talk
about-
you
know
what
we
need
to
do
because
I
agree,
that's
a
real
positive
that
we
should
be
focusing
on
in
the
community.
You
know
just
a
dovetail
on
that:
a
little
bit
Eric,
you
have
any
update
on
Cushing
Park
this
weekend.
You
know
there
are
some
new
ways
to
get
some
volunteers
out
there,
I
was
trying
to
coordinate
a
pokeymon
go
group
to
do
some
volunteer
cleanups
of
the
parks
right
and
I.
Think
these
are
fantastic.
You
know
it
was
just
so
turnkey
they
already
were
organized.
C
N
Sure
our
Park
staff
actually
worked
with
some
individuals
that
met
with
Mayor
Jefferson,
who
are
engaging
in
Pokemon,
go
which
is
great
that
they're
out
in
the
parks,
but
they
enunciated
that
cushing
Park
was
in
need
of
some
service
and
they
wanted
to
help,
and
so
we
were
able
to
marry
our
staff
up
with
some
resources
them
to
do
that.
I,
don't
know
the
number
of
bags
that
they
actually
collected.
N
C
H
C
C
Would
love
to
receive
a
new
assignment?
They
are
a
little
bit
kind
of
focused
on
the
Broadway
kind
of
corridor.
I,
don't
know
if
they
followed
up
with
a
bar
crawl
or
not.
They
were
talking
about
a
bar
crawl
of
some
of
our
local
businesses.
Afterwards,
again
economic
development
and
service
wrapped
up
to
these
folks
who
are
walking
around
our
streets
already
so
I
loved
it
and
I
did
not
have
anything
for
mayor's
choice
this
evening.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
city
managers,
choice.
N
K
N
Thank
you
again,
Mary
council.
This
is
a
difficult
topic
for
me
to
cover
with
you,
however,
I
believe
it's
important
that
it
is
covered
in
as
much
that
it,
as
you
can
see
from
the
title,
observations
that
I've
made
over
the
last
several
weeks
and
specifically
seen
a
steady
decline
in
the
nature
and
the
way
meetings
have
gone,
and
specifically
several
behaviors,
and
what
I'd
like
to
do
tonight,
as
you'll
see
from
my
agenda
here,
is
just
discuss.
N
Our
current
environment
point
out
specific
behavioral
observations
describe
the
impact
or
reaction
that
mainly
the
community
and
staff
is
having
to
these
behavioral
observations,
define
the
future
state,
that's
desirable
and
then
put
out
a
challenge
and
commit
asked
for
a
commitment
and
challenge
to
the
City
Council
again,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
some
risk
and
me
coming
forward
tonight
by
making
this
it's
not
in.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
personal
attack
on
anybody
here
and
it's
not
meant
to
do
anything
but
just
indicate
the
level
of
frustration.
N
You
know
we
we
foresee
this
as
a
powder
keg,
I,
think
people
are
walking
on
eggshells
and
very
very
concerned
about
what's
going
on
how
people
are
being
treated,
not
just
staff
people
amongst
yourselves
members
of
the
community
I
think
we
have
a
culture
of
fear
right
now,
as
you
heard
last
week,
from
cahoots,
staff
goes
by
mentality
of
duck-and-cover,
because
they're
afraid
they're
gonna
have
their
head
ripped
off
and
somebody
urinate
down
their
neck
and
I
hate
to
use
that
language.
But
that's
that's
where
we
are
morale
internally.
N
Is
it
an
all-time
low
and
again
it's
nothing
that
I
don't
believe
that
staff
is
doing
at
a
management
level
to
create
that
I.
Think
people
see
what's
going
on
at
council
meetings
and
believes
that
to
be
the
case,
that's
permeates
and
spreads
to
staff
level.
There's
a
frustration
with
the
lack
of
a
defined
strategy
in
a
direction
from
the
council.
N
It
seems
like
there's
a
lack
of
accountability
for
inappropriate,
behavior
and
conduct
again
we're
I'm
able
to
hold
staff
accountable,
I
hope.
You
know
you
see
that
I
want
to
be
held
accountable
for
my
my
conduct
as
well,
but
again
from
a
council
level.
I
don't
doesn't
seem
like
there's
that
that
level
or
standard
and
then
again.
Finally,
the
lack
of
standards
for
decorum
at
our
council
meetings.
N
Whoops
went
too
far
way
too
far,
so
current
environment
as
again
pointed
out
last
week
by
cahoots
and
again
this
wasn't
necessarily
staff.
This
was
again
comments
that
were
gleaned
from
you
as
council.
We
have
a
dysfunctional
group,
dynamic
I.
Think
there's
been
some
disregards
of
key
provisions
of
the
city
charter,
which
we'll
talk
about
in
a
while
I
think
we
have
dysfunctional
communication
as
well
and
how
that
should
work.
N
So
here's
an
observation,
administrative
meddling
in
many
instances,
I
believe
that
members
of
the
City
Council
aren't
working
through
me,
they're,
actually
exerting
their
will
throughout
the
community
and
and
violating
in
a
sense
this
particular
provision
of
our
Charter
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
think,
need
to
read
that,
but
I
think
there
are
examples
of
where
individual
council
members
are
violating
the
city's
Charter
and
specifically
getting
involved
or
interfering
in
matters
that
normally
would
be
left
to
me
and
in
some
cases
I
hear
about
it.
N
After
the
fact
and
that's
frustrating
you
know,
as
your
employee,
you
know
I
need
to
know
about
when,
when
these
types
of
things
happen
and
I
should
state.
This
council
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
to
you.
If
you
it
afford
me
the
opportunity
to
walk
through
this,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
at
the
end,
certainly
I'll
stand
ready
to
answer
them.
N
N
Another
observation
is
disrespect
of
staff
staff
has
to
been
disrespected
in
public
meetings
now
again
in
many
instances,
understanding
that
people
who
come
to
meetings
may
be
emotional
and
they're
going
to
make
those
remarks
off-the-cuff.
However,
when
those
come
from
our
own
Council
members,
that's
very
debilitating
and
distressing
derogatory
remarks
have
been
made
about
staff
in
public
meetings.
N
Failure
to
defend
staff
when
preposterous
or
false
statements
are
made
by
individuals
in
the
public
and
again
we're
hired
we're
here
as
public
servants
and-
and
you
know,
to
a
certain
extent,
you're
going
to
have
that
where
people
are
coming
in
and
making
statements
like
that,
but
it's
very
very
difficult
for
us:
the
impact
of
disrespect
to
staff.
We
can
follow
this
little
tree
here.
Leadership
starts
at
the
top.
Disrespect
encourages
disrespect
I
think
it
encourages
the
public
to
act
in
a
similar
manner.
N
It
leads
public
to
believe
that
staff
is
not
effective
and
incompetent
demoralizes
the
staff.
It
exactly
leads
to
that
duck-and-cover
mentality
with
the
staff
that
was
pointed
out
by
the
cahoots
report.
It
also
leads
to
general
feeling
of
malaise
for
for
everybody
at
a
meeting.
I,
don't
state
this
very
lightly,
but
I
hate,
mondays,
I
love
my
job,
many
of
our
staff,
many
of
our
department
manners
and
leaders
love
their
jobs,
but
they
hate
meetings.
They
hate
Monday
night
meetings,
I
come
and
I
feel
sick.
N
Not
knowing
what's
gonna
happen,
what
comments
gonna
be
made
by
the
public,
but
what
comments
gonna
be
made
by
Council
to
promulgate
that
type
of
behavior
personal
attacks?
There
been
personal
attacks
of
staff
in
public
meetings
and
their
frequent,
and
it's
not
necessarily
from
the
public,
sometimes
is
from
council
people
the
impact
of
public
personal
attacks
in
public
and
encourages
the
public
to
act
in
a
similar
manner.
It
leads
public
to
believe
that
staff
is
not
effective
and
incompetent,
again
demoralizing
duck-and-cover
mentality.
It
enhances
a
difficulty
of
attracting
and
retaining
high-performing
employees.
N
Some
of
you
were
on
that
Council
that
selected
some
of
you
weren't,
but
my
pledge
is
to
do
nothing
more
than
to
bring
in
high-performing
people
the
best
that
we
can
find
in
the
marketplace
today
to
do
that
very
thing
and
I'm
having
a
difficult
time
right
now,
keeping
some
employees
because
of
the
behavior
that
they've
seen
with
Council
because
of
the
nature
of
the
questioning
the
nature
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made.
I'm
doing
my
damnedest
best
to
make
sure
that
I
do
keep
the
team
that
we
have,
including
keeping
myself
motivated.
N
Finally,
this
is
important,
discourages
outside
investment.
Community.
Last
week
we
had
a
an
individual
who
was
making
a
substantial
investment
in
the
community
sitting
in
the
audience.
The
whole
time
and
and
I
talked
to
him
during
the
during
the
intermission
that
we
had.
While
you
were
in
executive
session
and
I,
got
the
sense
and
feel
that
he
was
second-guessing
himself
for
making
the
investment.
And
that's
sad.
Because
we.
E
N
N
Another
observation
is
that
sometimes
people
being
led
by
fear
some
members
lead
by
fear.
There
are
threats
of
punishment
and
there's
been
bullying
behavior
the
impact
of
that
again
demoralizing
staff,
some
of
the
same
things
we've
talked
about
before
discourages
collaboration
between
staff
and
council
and
in
some
instances,
I've
heard
from
some
of
my
department
directors.
N
They
don't
want
to
come
and
present
to
you
on
Monday
nights
and
there
because
they're
there,
just
if
they're
just
afraid,
afraid
and
it's
an
it's
an
incredible
place
to
be
and
I
think
it
also
discourages
creativity
and
new
ideas
being
brought
forward.
That
could
potentially
be
very,
very
helpful
to
this
community
and
the
organization
as
a
whole.
N
Lack
of
decorum
members
of
council,
public
and
staff
are
interrupted
and
spoken
over,
there's
discrediting
of
staff
and
other
members
of
the
City
Council
that
occurs.
Individual
members
speak
on
issues
and
make
individual
statements
that
give
the
appearance
of
advocating
for
a
particular
point
of
view.
Whatever
issues
are
brought
forward.
Well,
not
even
all
the
facts
have
been
brought
forward
and
that
allows
you
to
even
make
an
opportunity
to
to
make
a
statement
on
an
item.
N
N
Lack
of
preparation
in
some
instances,
we've
seen
that
members
are
not
fully
prepared
for
meetings.
Members
aren't
reading
materials
that
are
sent
out
ahead
of
time.
Then
in
some
instances,
there's
an
misplaced
blame
for
not
having
requested
mature
is
available
when
in
reality
they
are
there
in
the
packet
or
they've
been
sent
out
already.
In
some
instances,
I
just
went
back
today
and
looked
at
some
council
requests.
We've
had
some
of
the
same
council
requests
three
times
since
since
beginning
of
the
year.
N
What
does
that
do
well?
Staff
frustration
caused
by
members,
not
reading
reports
and
documents
it
took
hours
to
prepare
I,
think
it
deludes
the
richness
of
discussion
that
could
potentially
happen
if
people
actually
were
prepared,
progress
or
decisions
on
matters
are
delayed.
Staff
is
forced
to
prepare
and
send
out
materials
multiple
times.
Staff
is
inappropriately
blamed
at
times
for
confusion.
When
answers
exist
and
listen
again,
as
I
said,
we'll
take
accountability
of
where
it
needs
to
happen.
If
we
fail
to
do
something
we'll
own
up
to
it,.
N
So,
what's
a
desirable
future
state,
look
like
enough
about
the
negativity,
I
think
number
one
everyone's
treated
with
courtesy.
Equally
I
know
we
stress
how
we
need
to
treat
our
residents
with
courtesy
staff
would
ask
the
same
thing
from
its
counsel
and
counsel
should
demand
the
same
thing
from
its
staff.
I
think
active
listening
with
respect
is
what
a
future
state
looks
like.
There's
an
exercise
of
self-control,
there's
a
focus
on
the
issues
and
the
avoidance
of
personalizing.
The
debate.
N
N
N
So,
council,
here's
the
challenge:
I've
got
some
questions
for
you
and
I
hope
that
you
feel
comfortable
in
asking
and
you're
answering
these
questions.
Do
you
recognize
that
the
observed
behaviors
that
I've
just
outlined
are
having
an
adverse
impact
not
only
on
the
council
but
the
rest
of
the
organization?
N
What's
the
council
willing
to
do
to
ensure
that
the
behavior
is
going
to
change?
Was
the
council
willing
to
do
to
ensure
that
all
are
pulling
on
the
same
rope
and
in
the
same
direction?
What
do
we
need
to
do
to
move
towards
this
desirable
state,
because
the
status
quo
can't
continue?
It's
just
untenable.
I
mean
people
are
at
a
boiling
point
as
where
we
are
right
now
commitment.
N
Is
there
a
commitment
by
the
council
to
want
to
change
its
behavior
again
I'm,
not
asking
for
anybody
to
be
shut
down,
shut
up
removed
any
of
that
I
think
we
can
regulate
ourselves
in
our
own
behavior.
But
what
is
there
a
commitment
on
the
council
to
change
that
behavior
staff
certainly
is
committed
to
following
clear
and
consistent
leadership
to
improve
not
only
its
organization
but
its
community,
the
community
as
a
whole
as
well
and
I'm.
Gonna
end
with
this.
N
N
The
way
it's
moving,
that's
where
things
are
going
and
that's
a
very
difficult
place
for
me
in
your
department
directors
and
our
paid
staff
to
want
to
be
I,
don't
know
what
I
expect
tonight
from
Council
other
than
I
really
think
that
this
council
needs
to
make
an
investment
in
its
own
professional
development
specifically
and
how
to
work
better
together.
A
few
weeks
ago,
I
provided
you
with
some
proposals.
I
know
many
of
you
on
council
actually
were
we're
in
agreement
with
that
as
well.
Waring
we
received
three
three
particular
quotes.
N
If
I
could
ask
for
anything,
I
think
at
a
minimum
I
recognize
that
sometimes
it's
difficult
to
want
to
spend
more
time,
because
you
do
invest
so
much
time
as
it
is
in
this
particular
position.
But
if
we
can't
move
forward
all
pulling
the
same
rope
in
the
same
direction,
we're
a
house
divided
right
now
and
it's
only
seemingly
again
getting
worse.
C
Thank
you,
sir
I'm,
like
to
make
a
comment
before
we
turn
it
over
to
council
here,
and
you
know,
I
appreciate
Eric
for
bringing
this
forward.
I
know
this
is
kind
of
a
difficult
discussion
for
all
of
us
to
have
and
in
sort
of
a
public
setting.
But
you
know
we
discussed
this
and
I
think
we
decided
that
this
presentation
would
really
be
helpful
for
the
council,
because
I
think
we
can
agree
that
we
really
can
do
more
I
think
to
support
the
city
manager
and
the
staff.
C
You
know,
I
know
that
the
political
process
sometimes
is
is
a
little
bit
difficult
and
it's
you
know
somewhat
like.
Like
makes
making
sausage.
You
know.
I've
heard
some
people
sort
of
use.
That
analogy,
but
you
know,
as
leaders
of
the
community
I
think
we
really
have
an
opportunity
to
sort
of
lead
by
example.
Here.
C
This
you
know
you
know,
especially
here
at
the
at
the
local
level.
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
really
show
that
we're
you
know
reasonable
and
respectful
not
only
of
the
public
but
of
our
own
office,
our
colleagues
on
council
and
as
well
as
the
city,
managers
and
and
staff
of
the
city
of
Englewood.
C
You
know,
I,
you
know,
I
think
the
commitment
that
we
should
really
be
asking
for
in
addition
to
what
Eric
is
really
outlined,
I'm
willing
personally,
to
commit
to
you,
know
proactively,
addressing
I,
think
a
difficult
issue
for
the
council
and
I'd.
Ask
my
fellow
colleagues
to
do
the
same.
I'd
also
ask
this
evening
for
a
commitment
to
a
retreat
with
one
of
the
three
folks
that
Eric
had
outlined
in
the
previous
memorandum.
C
I
would
love
to
give
some
direction
for
the
city
manager's
office,
so
that
we
could
at
least
start
looking
at
dates
and
potentially
get
something
like
that
scheduled
I.
Assume
everybody's
gonna
want
to
comment.
Maybe
we'll
go
round-robin
or
does
anybody
wanna
kick
us
off
in
particular
Rick
once
you're
good.
B
You
know
we
all
serve
our
city
for
specific
reasons.
We
all
have
goals
that
we
want
to
see.
Get
done.
We'd
hope
that
others
will
see
our
goals,
but
you
know
Linda
and
I,
and
Steve
and
Joe
we've
served
on
another
council
and
we
had
disagreements
as
well,
but
the
community
sauce
is
one
and
that's
one
of
the
things
for
some
reason.
Right
now
we
seem
to
have
this
fissure
this
cut
and
that's
it's
causing
and
I.
B
Don't
you
know
that
there
seems
to
be
that
if
you
disagree
that
you
are
adamantly
against
that
person,
you're
disagreeing
with
and
we're
I've
never
felt
that
way,
but
I
I
do
need
to
ask
our
city
manager
Eric.
What
was
there
an
incident
that
precluded
or
that
made
you
decide
that
this
was
an
issue
that
you
just
couldn't
take
anymore,
that
you
didn't
address
this
with.
N
No
I
appreciate
that
and
I've
tried
to
establish
a
good
relationship
with
all
members
of
the
City
Council.
Last
week
it's
been
boiling
for
several
weeks.
The
most
difficult
thing
for
me
is
that
I
came
into
a
situation,
I'm
not
making
important
any
blame
at
anybody
else,
who's
here
before,
but
inherited
some
pretty
sore
knee
issues,
not
the
least
of
which
has
been
a
residuals
issue
at
the
water
treatment
plant,
and
that
particular
issue
has
brought
forth
a
significant
number
of
issues.
N
In
my
mind
here,
including
the
administrative
meddling
piece
with
personnel
matters,
but
last
week
certainly
was
a
boiling
point
for
me
and
it's
difficult
to
talk
about
in
this
environment.
Typically
Council,
as
you
know,
I
believe
in
praising
public
and
chide
and
private.
The
last
week
was
over-the-top
for
me
with
some
of
the
conduct
that
happened.
I
was
literally
almost
hip
checked
out
of
the
way,
while
talking
to
mr.
clower
last
week
had
somebody's
hand.
N
My
face
telling
me
that
you
know
basically
telling
me
to
stop
talking
to
this
individual
employee,
who
still
is
an
employee
of
ours
and
then,
when
you
were
coming
back
in
from
your
executive
session,
miss
Russell
made
the
joke.
I'm
surprised
to
see
you
all
here,
but
you
thought
about
going
home
and
I
said
yeah
I
thought
about.
It
was
laughing
about
it
and
one
member
of
the
council
basically
said
well,
you
should
have
thought
harder
and
I
asked
a
question.
N
N
Something
then
dealing
with
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
now,
but
it's
an
honor
for
me
to
be
able
to
serve
here,
but
it's
that
honor
is
being
tarnished
by
actions
of
this
body
when
we
can't
seem
to
get
along
and
understand
that
we're
all.
In
the
same.
Damn
team
excuse
me
force
we're
not
I'm
back
in
manufacturing.
I
apologize
for
that.
H
N
It's
hard,
it
really
is
hard
and
I.
Don't
want
anybody
on
the
council
or
the
public
to
think
for
one
second,
that
I'm
not
committed
or
my
heart's,
not
in
this
place
and
doing
the
best
that
I
can
to
keep
staff
motivated
when
they
sit
through
these
meetings
and
there's
been
personal
attacks.
Our
staff
told
us
shut,
shut
up
and
sit
down,
whether
that's
all
caught
on
tape
or
not.
It's
not
the
point
of
this
particular
meeting
right
now,
because
those
things
have
been
said.
That's
what
our
people
hear.
People's
perception
is
reality.
N
So
I'm,
sorry,
council,
I'm,
I
struggled
with
coming
forward.
I
could
have
buried
this,
but
if
I
bear
it
any
longer,
I'm
gonna
lose
staff
and
you
may
end
up
losing
me,
and
maybe
some
of
you
don't
care
about
that.
Maybe
that's
what
you
want,
but
that's
not
what
I'm
here
for
I
made
a
commitment
to
come
and
serve
this
community.
I
live
here
in
this
community
I
care
about
this
community
too,
and
want
to
make
it
a
better
place
and
I
want
you
guys
to
be
successful.
I
want
to
be
led
by
this
council.
N
I
want
the
mayor
to
be
successful
in
running
his
meetings.
We've
talked
about
some
strategies
and
he's
willing
to
do
that
and
I
appreciate
that
we
need
that,
but
I
can't
continue
to
see
people
being
disrespected
people
feeling
ill
on
a
Monday
night.
We
got
tough
work
to
do
we're
all
big
boys
and
girls.
We're
willing
to
do
it,
but
we
need
to
have
your
support
and
doing
it.
N
B
Want
to
say
to
the
mayor
of
this
council
and
to
management
and
staff
that
I
I
would
love
to
continue
doing
my
part
in
the
success
of
our
city,
and
this
is
one
of
those
items
it
doesn't
take
one
person
to
do
it,
takes
us
all
as
a
team.
We
we
fail,
or
we
succeed
together
and
I'm,
committed
to
making
sure
that
we
succeed
together
and.
H
B
I
apologize
you're
having
to
go
through
this,
but
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward.
I
appreciate
the
courage
it
took
to
say
something:
you
know
it's
almost
like
I
feel
like
I'm,
a
child
getting
spanked
or
a
daddy,
getting
spanked
by
my
child.
You
know
it's
kind
of
really
awkward,
so
it's
really
strange
but
I.
Thank
you
for
that,
because
you
know
that's
my
children,
I've
grown
we've
had
good
conversations,
and
sometimes
they
point
things
out
and
we
can
still
learn
as
adults.
How
did
how
to
be
better
and
that's
all
I
have
breathe.
N
M
Information
checked
on
that,
because
I
do
believe
that
this
council
can
do
some
great
things,
but
unless
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
I,
don't
I
have
a
feeling
that
there's
a
lot
of
pointing
fingers.
Even
if
nobody's
saying
anything
at
one
person,
it
is
not
one
person,
it
is
all
seven
of
us,
and
so
the
bottom
line
is
I
am
committed
to
doing
it.
M
J
J
J
We
need
to
seek
to
understand
and
we
need
to
create
an
inviting
environment
where
people
feel
free
to
speak
in
a
civil
manner
and
to
have
real
conversations
instead
of
pointing
fingers
and
and
so
on,
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
accomplish
this
and
Eric
I'm
and
I'm
sorry,
you
had
to
come
and
do
this,
but
this
is
a
subject
that
has
definitely
needed
to
be
brought
to
the
surface
and
and
talked
about
when
it
comes
to
the
team-building.
I
am
more
than
happy
to
do.
J
A
A
A
But
the
city
manager's
office
is
kind
of
escalating
community
issues
to
where
they're
getting
out
of
hand.
When
there's
been
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
didn't
happen,
it's
very
frustrating.
It
really
is
very
frustrating
on
that.
Particular
issue
with
last
Monday
night
I
had
several
members
of
the
community
come
out
and
asked
me
to
stop
you
from
what
you
were
doing,
because
they
thought
you
were
being
rude
and
belligerent
to
an
employee
who
had
come
forward.
Please
who
had
come
forward.
Nobody.
A
Hip-Checked
you
you
had,
you
had
plenty
of
time
to
say:
Girt,
nobody
hip-checked,
you,
the
manager,
even
canta,
the
mayor,
even
came
up
to
shake
hands
with
Ken,
but
to
the
community.
It
looked
like
you
were
setting
him
up
that
you
were
berating
him
that
you
were
upsetting
him
in
this
situation.
That
was
already
upsetting
and
I
just
shook
his
hand
and
said
I
appreciated
him
coming,
and
it
would
probably
be
best
if
you
went
home
because
it
was,
he
was
trying
very
hard,
not
to
start
bursts
down
crying.
A
It
was
a
very
difficult
situation
for
him.
It
was
already
hard.
I
did
not
think
it
was
an
appropriate
thing
to
be
discussing
an
employee's
situation
with
the
public,
surrounded
in
that
kind
of
environment
was
not
conducive
to.
We
needed
to
deescalate
it
and
I.
Didn't
think
that
you
were
that.
That
was
a
proper
conversation
at
the
time
you
can
have
a
conversation
with
an
employee,
not
in
public
with
a
bunch
of
public
surrounded
by
him
was
probably
not
a
good
idea.
A
I
was
like
wow
that
just
that
just
validates
what
these
citizens
are
saying,
that
during
meetings
that
we're
not
paying
attention
that
we've
got
communication
going
on,
that's
wholly
inappropriate
and
it
divides
Council.
You
brought
up
to
me
the
example
not
only
mr.
Yates,
while
I
was
running
that
if
I
won
that
you
would
quit.
A
Too.
I
have
heard
from
the
city
manager,
complaints
about
all
of
everybody
on
council
and
I'm
sure
you've
all
heard
complaints
about
me
and
that
might
not
be
conducive
to
making
us
build
a
team
as
well.
So
if
we
could
kind
of
look
at
some
of
those
things,
the
the
community
is
frustrated
when
the
staff
has
already
had
an
opportunity
to
go
ahead
and
diminish
that,
and
if
that
escalates
and
it
keeps
going,
then
you
force
us,
or
at
least
me
to
go
ahead
and
make
sure
that
we're
we're
participating.
A
That's
who
I'm
supposed
to
be
representing
I'm,
not
supposed
to
be
and
I
hate,
to
bring
up
what
Kent
Clara
brought
up
Monday
but
I
didn't
sign
an
oath
to
protect
the
city
and
the
management
of
the
city
and
the
staff
at
any
cost.
I
represent
the
community
and
their
interests
and
their
concerns,
and
if
they're
going
to
have
to
keep
coming
to
Council
over
and
over
again
to
get
answers,
if
we're
not
being
communicated
with
like
the
example
of
ordinance
34,
we
should
have
known
when
they
were
going
to
start
doing
that.
A
We
should
have
been
asked
if
we
wanted
it
implemented.
If
we
were
going
to
be
relooking
at
that
one
that
court
case,
but
when
we
get
blindsided
like
that,
when
the
lawsuits
happen
and
I
get
something
I
get
information
from
a
community
member
before
I
get
it
from
the
city.
That
puts
me
in
a
in
an
awkward
position.
If
the
news
is
going
to
call
me
so
that
I
can
even
go
ahead
and
represent
well,
so
I
hope
that
the
communication
things
that
the
city
manager's
office
and
the
staff
can
do
is
better.
A
If
we
get
reports,
if
we
make
a
decision
and
you
go
ahead
and
send
out
a
report
to
the
community
on
an
issue
as
sensitive
as
what's
going
on
with
the
island
water
plant
residuals
with
the
sludge
and
a
community
member
can
debunk
that
report
that
quickly
and
they
come
in
they're
upset
because
it's
not
working
what
you're
doing
then
there
has
to
be
some
other
things
done.
We
can't
just
rally
the
wagons
and
say
whatever
you're
doing
is
fine.
A
If
it's,
if
it's
not
work,
and
we
have
to
have
some
real
conversations
about
how
to
address
things,
not
just
act
as
if
the
city
never
makes
a
mistake.
So
while
I
am
very
frustrated,
that
a
lot
of
things
have
escalated
to
the
point
that
they
have
with
the
community.
I
I
think
that
there's
a
bigger
role
that
your
department
is
playing
and
making
this
dysfunctional
as
well
and
I
hope
we
can
all
get
together
and
make
sure
that
we
come
to
some
agreement
on
how
we
can
make
it
better
for
everybody.
A
C
N
I
appreciate
you
you're
exactly
right:
counselor
parent
I
know
if
there
are
areas
I
need
to
own
I'm,
happy
to
own
him
and
I.
Think
I
would
ask
the
same
from
you
because
last
night
wait
a
minute.
Please
I,
don't
interrupt
you.
Please
don't
interrupt
me.
That's
part
of
the
disrespectful
nature
of
what
I'm
trying
to
address
here
this
evening
and
I've
been
trying
to
be
very
diligent
and
kind
to
not
name
individual
people
at
all
this
evening.
N
N
Clower
and
he
engaged
me
by
yelling
at
me
and
you're
right
I
was
trying
to
be
very
calm,
I
wasn't
being
rude
or
disrespectful
I,
don't
know
whom,
and
the
citizenry
had
said
that
but
I
had
several
employee
standing
around,
including
commander
Englert
and
I'm,
wouldn't
ever
question
his
integrity
to
say
if
I
said
anything
that
was
inappropriate,
I
have
compassion
for
mr.
clower
I'm.
Sorry,
ladies
undergoing
what
he's
doing,
but
for
you
to
indicate
that
I
was
rude
and
condescending
to
him
was,
is
totally
inaccurate.
I,
don't
appreciate
that.
N
Listen
I've
tried
to
work
with
you
as
well.
I've
tried
to
communicate
if
you
believe,
I'm
being
divisive
with
the
council
and
why
I
communicate
with
them.
Then
I
will
do
a
much
better
job
of
ensuring
I
say
the
same
thing
to
everybody,
but
that
is
typically
might
act
unless
some
council
person
asks
me
or
calls
me
and
asked
me
for
specific
opinion
on
a
matter,
but
listen
counselor
said
before.
If
I'm
doing
something
inappropriate,
please
call
me
on
it.
We
can
talk
about
it.
N
C
R
R
So
I'm
glad
we're
kind
of
talking
about
it,
and
it
is
difficult
and
it's
hard,
and
we
need
to
all
keep
in
mind
that
we
are
on
the
same
page.
We
are
all
here
because
we
love
the
city,
everyone
who
works
for
the
city
same
thing:
the
residents
live
here
because
they
enjoy
it
here
and
we
all
just
need
to
be
reminded
that
we
are
on
the
same
team
and
we
have
the
same
goals,
which
is
to
make
it
better.
R
I
am
absolutely
committed
to
being
part
of
the
solution
and
not
anything
else.
If
and
I'm
100%
open
to
feedback
about
any
of
my
behavior
or
the
way
that
I
talk
to
people
or
address
things
and
I
hope
that
we
can
commit
to
each
other
that
we're
all
open
to
feedback
and
to
make
a
change
and
owning
up
to
the
things
that
we
are
doing
that
may
be
hindering
us
from
coming
up
with
solutions.
That
being
said,
I
do
think
it
is
really
important
that
we
disagree.
R
Sometimes,
then
we
we
discuss
those
disagreements
and
we
discuss
them
in
a
way
that
is
respectful
and
that
we
absolutely
listen
to
each
other.
We
don't
interrupt
each
other,
we
don't
name
call
we
don't
bully.
It
hinders
us
from
doing
what
we
need
to
do
and
I
am
definitely
100%
committed
to
some
kind
of
team
building
activity.
I
responded
to
that
email
I
would
be
happy
to
work
with
any
of
those
groups.
I
think
any
exercises
that
we
can
do
to
help
get
us
moving
forward
in
the
right
direction.
R
F
Really
sorry,
I
am
I'm
on
vacation.
I
came
down
this
evening
from
the
mountains,
because
I
thought
you
were
going
to
do
this
in
executive
session,
so
I
am
gonna
have
to
leave,
but
I
did
want
to
say
my
husband's
been
waiting
for
20
minutes
to
take
me
back
up.
I
really
appreciate
your
being
open
in
doing
this
tonight,
Eric
and
the
risk-taking
and
the
courage
that
it
takes
it.
F
That's
a
courageous
form
of
leadership
to
confront
the
elephants
in
the
room
that
we
all
have
and
I
share
Rita's
same
perspective,
and
then
all
of
us
have
to
do
self-reflection
on
this
I
think
it's
been
very
hard
with
this
new
council
because
from
the
day
one
and
a
part
of
its
your,
your
in
your
campaign
mode,
you
know
when
you
first
get
on
and
everything
that
you're
running
against
is
whatever
we
did
wrong.
Often
and
it's
hard
to
sit
here
and
try
and
work
with
you
all
when
everything
I
hear.
F
Is
that
we've
not
done
anything
right
ever
and
I?
Think
that's
hard,
that's
hard
and
maybe
I'm
the
only
one
out
that
you
know
wasn't
part
of
the
majority
in
the
past
and
that's
my
own
thing
to
have
to
to
deal
with,
but
and
I'm
fine
with
that
I
just
think
it's
you
have
to
realize
that
continually
doing
it
is
like
poking
someone
in
the
eye
over
and
over
and
over
again,
but
I'm
working
on
it.
F
So
let
me
know
when
I'm
not
responding
well
to
that
and
listening
I,
the
team
building
I
am
not
willing
to
do
a
full
day
with
this
group.
I
think
that
a
better
way
to
do
it-
and
maybe
it's
the
one
that
you're
suggesting
I,
don't
know
who's
who,
on
that
list
of
three
I,
think
we
need
several
short
spurts
of
things,
because
this
group,
it
we've
worked
together
for
nine
months
with
some
dysfunction.
That's
gonna
take
some
time
to
undo.
F
There
is
dysfunction
on
the
board
before
we
know
that
there
was
not
a
perfect
counsel.
I
haven't
seen
any
perfect
counsel
here,
so
I
don't
want
to
ever
say
that
the
past
one
was
better
I
do
think.
We
worked
out
things
a
lot
differently
and
there
was
much
more
respect
during
meetings
than
now.
I
don't
feel
like
I
can
disagree
with
Rick
and
it
doesn't.
We
can
go
out
and
it's
a
whole
different
feeling
right
now
and
I,
don't
know
fully
what
goes
into
that,
but
I
do
want
to
submit
two
other
suggestions.
F
One
is
that
we
consider
not
allowing
counsel
to
ask
questions
of
citizens
when
they
come
up
during
the
regular
meeting,
because
I
think
it
invites
and
sometimes
lays
a
groundwork
in
an
atmosphere
that
somehow
we're
gonna
solve
it.
That
night,
we
ourselves
when
we
know
very
little
and
that
puts
our
staff
down
in
an
uncommon,
uncompromising
situation
of
having
to
answer
on
the
fly
of
things
that
come
up
I
would
prefer
that
we
let
all
the
citizens
have
as
much
time
as
they
want.
F
If
we
want
to
go
from
three
minutes
to
four,
even
I'm,
fine
with
that
it's
not
about
silencing
the
citizens,
it's
about
ourselves
being
silenced
a
bit
not
trying
to
become
the
savior
to
any
issue.
That's
brought
to
us
on
a
Monday
night.
It
takes
way
more
perspective
and
influence
and
and/or
information
than
what
we
can
muster
up
on
a
Monday
night.
F
Just
solve
some
of
these
horrendous
issues
that
people
are
bringing
forward
from
their
perspective
in
mine,
too
I
mean
the
three
major
ones:
we've
had
our
hard
ones,
so
I'd
prefer
I'm
the
one
who
introduced
that
uncounseled
back
in
their
old
councils
at
letting
us
ask
questions
I'd
like
to
say:
let's
not
do
that.
Instead,
let's
push
it
off
to
a
very
specific
council
request
in
every
single
one
of
them.
F
So
we
don't
set
up
citizens
to
thinking
that
it's
a
form,
a
public
forum,
every
Monday
night
and
I'm
willing
to
self-monitor
as
much
as
I
can
I
think
we
got
to
work
on
it
together.
I
just
think
it's
going
to
take
more
than
a
team-building
day
and
I
really
don't
want
to
spend
a
full
day,
because
I
think
it'll
be
counterproductive.
F
Prefer
that
we
do
an
evening
a
couple
of
times
and
see
how
it
goes
and
start
holding
each
other
accountable
for
little
of
things
that
we
get
I,
think
it
when
I'm
sorry,
but
that's
my
area
of
expertise.
My
whole
field
of
research
is
on
Reid
groups
and
teams
and
we're
not
a
team
we're
a
group.
We
won't
probably
ever
be
a
team,
but
we'll
always
be
a
group
and
I
think
that
takes
a
different
kind
of
thinking,
a
different
kind
of
style
working
together.
Thank.
F
A
Appreciate
that,
because
I,
don't
I'm
not
starting
out
I
didn't
start
out
with
any
of
those
issues
that
got
brought
up
with
my
being
involved.
It
was
after
the
city
and
other
people
had
opportunities
that
people
came
to
me
and
said
it's
not
working
that
you
said
that
they're
not
approaching
you,
but
they
did,
and
so
when
when
they
go,
this
is
what
God
said.
This
is
what
didn't
get
done.
This
is
what's
going
on.
This
is
a
problem
and
I'm
trying
to
resolve
those
issues
to
try
and
find
out
more
information.
A
I
think
that's
wholly
appropriate,
but
not
one
of
them.
Not
one
of
them
was
I.
The
first
person
they
approached
I
was
the
one
that
they
go
I'm
not
going
to
get
any
help.
I,
don't
believe
I'm
getting
good
response
from
the
department
and
you're
gonna
have
to
own
that
you
all
three
of
these
you've
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
him
first
and
then
you're
wanting
to
kind
of
push
something
else
on
it
that
there
was
interference
when
there
was
not.
A
There
was
opportunity
I,
certainly
after
that
first
community
meeting
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I.
Don't
know
if
you
know
this
with
the
with
the
community
that
asked
me
to
listen
to
a
community
meeting.
I
didn't
give
them
any
resolutions.
I
actually
listened
to
what
they
did.
I
actually
talked
to
Eric
and
to
Murphy
about
exactly
what
mr.
Clara
was
saying
exactly
what
was
going
on
so
that
they
had
some
heads
and
then
they
still
escalated
it
after
that,
but
they
had
the
opportunity
they
had
the
full
knowledge
of
what
was
going
on.
A
A
A
It
was
but
the
the
issue
of
some
of
the
communications,
especially
amongst
council,
with
the
department
and
kind
of
getting
things
pre
done
with
certain
council
people.
We
have
to
function
as
a
group
so
that
you're,
not
singling
out
certain
council
people
and
and
and
I,
do
feel
that
there's
been
some
real
serious
division.
I
stopped
having
those
kind
of
conversations
with
you
months
ago,
because
I
was
uncomfortable
with
that
having
any
kind
of
conversation
where
any
other
other
council
members
were
being
dissed
and
I,
don't
want
to
participate.
That
way.
A
A
You
didn't
send
them
to
me.
So
if
you
want
to
divide
this
out
and
just
act
as
if
this
is
just
one
person
doing
this,
that's
not
the
case.
I
am
NOT
instigating
what
the
public
is
upset
about.
They're
upset
for
very
legitimate
reasons
that
we
need
to
deal
with
the
issues
and
find
resolutions,
rather
than
acting
as
if
we're
like
I
said
just
supposed
to
circle,
the
wagons
and
support
staff.
We
need
to
address
the
real
questions
and
get
resolutions,
and
it's
not
working
so
far.
So
thank.
C
A
I
said
that
before
I,
like
the
one
I
talked
to
that
same
one,
at
CML
and
I,
thought
that
that
was
a
good
idea.
I
think
it
has
to
include
some
of
the
staff,
because
I
don't
think
it's
just
from
the
city
manager
and
staffs
department.
I
think
we've
got
some
council
people
who
would
like
to
strategically
occasionally
use
staff
and
we're
not
trying
to
divide
us
out
we're
supposed
to
be
trying
to
come
out
together.
So
I
don't
know.
Maybe
it
should
happen.
That
way
is.
A
C
E
A
C
F
Then
that
is
what
we're
talking
about
right
now.
It
was
a
very
condescending
style
and
tone
and
a
use
of
a
third
person
as
if
he's
not
sitting
here,
I
think
all
of
us
tonight
would
like
to
say:
can
we
all
own
up
to
it
in
Lloret?
Will
you
own
up
to
the
ways
that
you've
added
into
the
dysfunction
here?
If
you're,
not
that's
helpful,
to
know
almost
everything
you've
said
tonight
is
about
someone
else
and
something
that
went
wrong
and
you
didn't
get
an
email
which,
by
the
way,
could
be
just
the
email
server.
A
A
I'm
talking
about
you
go
well
and
all
of
that
information.
What
you've
just
said
came
from
him.
She's
taken
up
my
time
on
a
Friday
she's,
taken
up
three
four
five
hours.
She's
doing
this
do
not
think
he
said
the
same
things
about
you
guys
at
different
times.
That
was
because
I
never
meet
with
you.
They
were
different.
K
A
Whether
pen
is
grabbing
them
or
whether
he
was
frustrated
before
whether
he's
going
to
quit,
he
told
me
twice
before
I
ever
that
he
was
considering
leaving
so
I
understand
that
there
was
some
frustration
before
I
understand
that
this
might
be
some
of
his
style
but
I'm
asking
what
I.
What
I
was
saying
is
that
that's
got
to
stop
I.
A
Don't
I
didn't
want
to
tell
him
or
talk
to
him
about
situations
when
I
found
out
things
that
were
going
on
in
the
community
that
were
very
serious
because
I
didn't
I,
have
a
lack
of
trust
with
them,
and
I
and
I
have
some
concerns,
and
if
that
communication
stops,
then
the
things
that
I'm
doing
and
I
know
what's
going
on
in
the
community.
He
can't
function
with
that
information,
so
I
I.
F
C
F
Prefer
that
it
be
an
evening
and
that
we
do
so
a
couple
of
them
I
think
it'll
be
way
more
professionally
helpful
to
us
than
a
longer
period
of
time.
I
really
do
and
license
a
person
won't
do
it
for
that
amount
of
time,
but
if
we
have
to
do
a
half-day
I,
just
I
think
we
get
really
bad
after
about
two
to
three
hours
together
and
I.
C
H
F
C
F
I
C
N
Only
I
will
say:
I
did
send
an
email
only
to
councillor
Russell
last
last
Tuesday
morning
at
12:30,
because
I
know
she
has
a
very
close
relationship
with
councillor
time.
I
sent
that
in
the
hope
that
she
might
be
able
to
help
I
didn't
get
a
response,
but
clearly
they've
communicated
about
it
together.
So
that's
fine
that
it's
a
public
document
in
an
email,
but
that's
the
kind
of
thing.
That's
frustrating
counsel.
N
Is
that
also
an
email
that
I
sent
to
you,
which
is
again
as
a
public
document
ended
up
in
Ken
Claire's
hands,
I
didn't
send
it
to
can
I,
send
it
to
you
as
counsel
and
I'm,
assuming
that's
where
it
came
from
and
that's
the
type
of
thing
that's
really
driving
the
belief
that
there's
violation
of
the
charters
going
on
and
meddling
in
personnel
matters
that
doesn't
need
to
be
there.
Thank.
C
B
This
is
we're
seeing
example
of
exactly
what
the
members
of
our
city
are
seeing.
They're
seeing
members
not
even
owning
up
to,
maybe
they
might
have
a
small
piece
of
this
dysfunction.
You
know
until
until
we
can
acknowledge
a
problem.
It'll
never
exist
to
you
and
I'm,
and
that's
why
I
swore
agree.
In
fact,
I've
said
to
both
you
I'm
concerned
about
this
counseling
process.
If,
if
people
aren't
willing
to
even
admit
that
they
might
be
a
small
part
of
the
problem,
it's
always
somebody
else.
Then
it's
it.
You
know
it's
the
old.
It's
it's!
B
Never
me!
It's
always!
You
adage
is
it's
frustrating
and
it's
it's.
It
doesn't
help
anybody
at
any
time.
Secondly,
we
at
no
time
ever
are
allowed
to
meddle
in
employee
issues,
HIPAA
issues
or
police
issues.
Next
time,
I
see
any
member
of
this
council
doing
that
I'm
going
to
ask
that
they
be
brought
up
for
reprimand
if
they
continue
I'm
going
to
ask
that
this
council
ask
for
some
sort
of
punishment
penalty.
B
Other
councils
hold
hold
the
other
council
members
to
a
higher
standard,
and
if
we
have
members
willingly
violating
our
charter,
especially
those
who
are
so
concerned
and
one
in
their
goal,
is
to
uphold
the
law,
then
all
laws
are
important,
not
just
the
ones
that
they
deem
are
necessary.
So
I
hope
that
we
can
get
better
at
this
I
until
you
know,
until
we
all
say
that
yeah,
you
know
what
there
might
be
I
might
be
digging
in
a
little
bit
and
I
know
that
I
have
gotten
frustrated
and
I
have
probably
swung
back.
B
I
have
had
the
most
horrible
absolute
lies
said
about
me
about
what
I
do
that
were
I
believe
begun
with
members
of
this
council
and
it's
unfair
because
you
don't
get
to
you
know,
get
to
defend
when
you
try
to
defend
they'll
come
and
tell
the
other
people,
you
don't
need
to
listen
to
him.
So
it's
it's
really
frustrating
I
hope
that
we
can
get
better,
but
mr.
Keck
I
I'm
going
to
continue
doing
what
I've
done.
I
will
not
be
going
up
to
your
office
for
meetings
other
than
with
mayor
manager.
B
I
hope
that
this
council
can
be
treated
as
one
body
what
you
get
for
one
we
get
for
all
and
if
we
have
any
member
of
this
council
actively
working
against
you
or
staff,
then
that
is
a
violation
of
our
Charter
and
if
we
have
council
members
working
against
one
another
against
decorum,
there
is
also
not
what
we
should
be
doing.
We
should
be
addressing
that
and
I
will
be
monitoring
that
and
moving
forward
on
that,
because
our
community
deserves
better.
Our
city
staff
deserve
better.
You
know
what
I
deserve
better.
B
J
On
the
subject
of
emails,
I
would
like
to
mention
that
you
know
if
you're
looking
emails
through
the
web
portal
on
Outlook,
it
is
easy
to
misplace
or
to
not
even
see
something,
especially
the
sheer
quantity
of
junk
mail
that
comes
through
there
and
I
know.
There's
been
times
where
I
thought,
I
didn't
get
something,
but
if
I
spent
twenty
minutes
searching
for
it,
I
found
it.
I
have
been
I.
I
can
consistently
say
when
an
email
goes
out
to
one.
E
J
Or
the
the
email
program
and
how
the
person
you
know
the
specific
person
is
operating
it
and
how
they're
they're
filing
things
there's
also
a
fair
share
of
emails
that
come
through
that
gets
thrown
into
a
for
the
lack
of
a
better
term,
a
spam
folder.
So
it's
easy
to
miss
something
there
and
that's:
that's
not
an
individuals
fault,
it's
the
technology!
J
J
That
has
been
a
big
frustration
of
mine,
a
huge
frustration
of
mine.
You
know
somebody
will
express
their
opinion
and
there's
someone
there
to
not
just
say
this
is
how
they
feel,
but
to
make
a
point
at
jabbing
at
the
there
and
I
will
admit
month
or
two
or
so
ago.
I
was
extremely
frustrated
and
I
did
jab
back,
because
I
was
getting
tired
of
getting
poked
in
the
eye
and
during
a
exec
session,
I
made
it
very
clear
how
I
felt
about
the
situation,
and
frankly,
it
was
kind
of
all
it
been.
J
J
We
need
to
be,
we
need
to
be
professional
and
that
and
I'm
making
a
commitment
that
I
will
go
that
direction.
In
fact,
since
that
executive
session,
when
we,
when
things
kind
of
went
south
I've
I've,
actually
sought
sought
out
professional
help
to
help
me
get
past,
that
pure
frustration
I
have
to
say
that
when
it
comes
to
staff
and
and
mr.
Keck
here
he
is,
he
is
one
of
the
most
professional
people
I've
ever
dealt
with.
J
J
You
might
work
for
an
hour
or
a
day
or
two
or
a
week
or
two,
but
old
habits
come
back
in
habits
or
something
that
you
have
to
work
at,
and
you
have
to
be
reminded
that
hey
we're
going
in
that
direction,
so
I
would
be
in
favor
of
doing
multiple
sessions
and
and
I
do
see
some
value
of
doing
shorter
sessions
versus
a
longer
session.
If,
if
that
is
an
option,
so
I
just
I,
just
want
to
express
staff,
has
been
phenomenal.
J
In
inglewood,
we've
made
some
huge
progress
in
our
community
over
the
past
couple
of
years
that
mr.
@ax
been
here,
openness
has
gone
through
the
roof.
I
mean
data
that
people
had
always
wanted.
Now
you
can
just
go
to
the
website
and
find
it.
You
got
a
question
you
can
find
it.
Transparency
is
just
through
the
roof
here,
and
it's
always
getting
better
and
better
and
into
have-have
leaders
in
our
community.
J
Coming
out
and
saying
that
we're
doing
things
so
horribly
is
just
undermining
the
progress
we're
making
and
the
ability
to
truly
hit
the
goal
that
I
think
every
and
every
one
of
us
wants
to
hit
and
that's
a
well
ran
community
transparent
following
the
laws,
caring
and
concern
for
the
people.
But
if,
if
council
can't
work
as
a
team
or
at
least
be
civil
to
each
other,
then
that
goal
is
going
to
be
very
hard
to
me.
R
R
Do
also
would
like
to
know
that
100%
of
us
are
committed
to
being
better
and
being
open
to
feedback
and
owning
up
to
our
part
of
making
situations
difficult
at
some
time.
I
know
I
have
contributed
to
that,
and
I
would
like
to
know
that
every
one
of
us
is
committed
to
improving
in
our
Communications
and
I
know
it's
really
hard,
sometimes
to
remain
professional
when
you're
upset
or
you're
exhausted
or
you
feel
attacked,
but
we
need
to
all
work
on
getting
better
at
that
and
being
professional
100%
of
the
time.
Good.
M
Just
a
couple
issues-
and
there
is
a
reason
that
I
did
not
respond
to
your
email
and
I
was
going
to
ask
permission
to
speak
with
you
tomorrow.
I
mean
there
is
dirty
laundry
I,
don't
want
to
air
the
dirty
laundry
and
I
mean
this
whole
thing
kind
of
limits
itself
to
that
and
I.
Thank
you
for
admitting.
Steve
I
want
to
tell
you
how
demoralizing
what
you
did
that
night
was
and
I
told
the
mayor
that
you
owe.
J
I
will
and
I
wish
Linda
was
here.
I
will
apologize
for
the
way
I
handled
that
situation
and
I
I
realize
it
was
not
professional
that
frustration
is.
It
came
from
being
painted
into
a
corner
night
after
night
after
night
meeting
after
meeting
and
frankly,
I
have
no
problems
in
admitting
when
I
do
something
wrong.
J
I
sure
would
like
the
same
from
the
the
the
person
who
basically
has
done
it
to
all
of
Council,
to
admit
that
admit
to
their
actions
and
ask
for
some
atonement
or
to
apologize
her
to
even
acknowledge
that
maybe
they're
not
perfect,
and
that
their
actions
has
been
extremely
inappropriate
to
the
point
that
it
is
pushing
this
council
apart.
It's
it's
tearing
our
community
apart,
it's
well,
it's
just
made
it
living
hell.
You
know.
A
For
Rick
and
the
HIPAA
I
was
on
the
Colorado
State
Medical
Services
Board,
when
HIPAA
was
passed,
I'm
very
familiar
with
HIPAA
I
was
appointed
on
their
board
under
governor
Owens,
and
there
is
no
violation
of
HIPAA.
If
the
person
who's
medically
involved
discloses
their
stuff,
it's
in
us
asking
for
their
medical
stuff
without
them.
So
there's
been
no
violation
to
happen.
A
It's
no
violation
of
our
Charter
or
our
ordinances,
or
interfering
with
the
police
or
this
administration
to
ask
for
a
police
report
that
is
public
information,
some
of
the
rewriting
the
narrative
of
what's
going
on
when
things
are
not
going
well
for
other
council
people.
Is
your
own
frustration
and
I
deal
with
a
great
deal
of
frustration
when
I
have
people
citizens
coming
to
me
feeling
frustrated
that
they
don't
think
anybody's
backing
them
up,
that
they
don't
have
any
other
voice
and
I
am
frustrated
a
lot
and
yet
I
didn't
stoop
to
what
you
did.
A
I
didn't
behave
that
way
and
I
am
frustrated
by
a
lot
of
people
on
council
and
some
of
the
staff
when
they
were
not
answering
questions
or
giving
information
or
being
upfront
or
being
thorough,
like
the
city
manager
brought
up
when
you've
got
to
make
a
council
request
on
something
like
the
Paseo
lighting
three
times
and
still
don't
get
an
adequate
answer,
that's
frustrating!
It
isn't
a
matter
of
just
asking
staff
to
go
ahead
and
do
something
just
for
the
sake
of
doing
it.
A
If
you're
not
going
to
get
a
legitimate
answer-
and
you
have
to
ask
again
then
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
account
to
say:
why
are
they
having
to
ask
again?
Maybe
they
didn't
get
the
answer
that
they
were
looking
for,
I've
I'm,
pretty
frustrated
with
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
going
on
and
a
lot
frustrated
when
somebody
from
council,
like
you
had
mentioned,
gets
berated,
said
and
gets
berated
by
somebody
on
council.
A
A
I
will
deal
with
the
level
of
frustration
better
myself,
I
believe
that
we
can
work
together,
better
I'm,
I'm
trying
sometimes
I
feel
that,
no
matter
how
much
information
I
bring
no
matter
how
much
I
research
something
no
matter
how
much
I've
looked
into
something,
no
matter
how
much
I've
communicated
with
the
community
that
just
the
mere
fact
that
it's
Laurette
bringing
it
forward.
You
go
I'm,
not
gonna,
listen
to
her
and
I
find
that
very
frustrating,
and
so
did
that.
A
A
I
need
to
I
have
a
problem
with
you
saying
that
I
forced
you
into
it:
I
forced
you
into
being
belligerent
and
just
wearing
into
being
that
aggressive
into
bullying
that
I
forced
you
into
it,
because
nobody's
forced
me
into
it.
I
get
just
as
frustrated
so
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
doing
the
meeting,
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
genuflecting
admission
you
want.
I
have
already
said
that
I'm
willing
to
go
ahead
and
and
try
and
work
this
out
that
we
all
have
things
that
we
can
do.
C
Thank
you.
Ma'am
I
really
appreciate
that
honestly
I
think
I'm
gonna
make
one
concluding
comment
and
we'll
move
on
from
this
agenda.
Item
honestly
I
think
that
was
a
relatively
productive
conversation
with
some
people
hearing
each
other
out
I.
Honestly,
this
is
a
good
launching
point.
In
my
mind,
I
appreciate
mr.
Keck
bringing
this
forward
with
this
proactive
approach.
I
think
when
you've
got
these
type
of
issues,
you
got
two
options:
you
can
let
it
fester,
you
can
deal
with
it
directly
and
I.
C
Think
we've
done
the
right
thing
to
have
this
difficult
conversation
in
a
public
forum.
I
will
say
that
you
know
I,
it's
not
absolutely
necessary
to
fix,
but
it
will
lead
to
better
results
for
the
entire
community.
In
my
mind,
the
one
piece
I
think
I
do
have
to
disagree,
perhaps
with
mr.
Keck
and
perhaps
with
some
of
the
other
comments
that
have
been
made
tonight.
C
Is
that
not
only
can
we
get
positives
done,
we
are
getting
positives
done
and-
and
you
know,
I
guess
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
we
have
a
majority
of
council
who
was
supportive
and
a
set
of
series
of
goals
for
this
council
during
its
two-year
term.
We
had
in
my
mind,
given
that
strategy
and
direction
from
Council
I
agree
that
the
path
has
not
been
the
easiest
to
walk.
However,
I
think
we
know
which
direction
we're
heading,
and
so
you
know
I
will
push
back
just
a
little
bit
on
that.
C
C
So
thank
you
again
for
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
a
couple
of
my
thoughts.
There.
I
did
hear
some
suggestion
of
handling
public
forum
questions
public
comment,
I
guess
I
should
say
a
little
bit
differently.
I'm
open
to
some
discussion
of
that
our
preview
or
at
our
next
sort
of
a
meeting.
I
personally
think
it's
a
little
bit
more
about
self
policing
than
restricting
elected
officials
on
what
questions
they
can
ask.
I.
C
Just
think
that
you
know
as
a
group
or
probably
asking
too
many,
but
some
of
them
probably
need
to
be
asked,
but
as
a
group
I
think
we
could
do
a
little
bit
better
there,
and
so
perhaps
we
can
think
about.
That
is
a
little
bit
more
of
a
team
dynamic,
and
the
other
thing
that
was
brought
up
I
think
was
rules
of
conduct.
C
I
think
what
we
can
also
do
with
this
meeting
is
also
review
our
rules
of
conduct
and
see
if
they
need
modification
and
see
if
we
can
agree
to
some
of
those
in
that.
In
that
forum,
I
heard
from
several
members
that
we
also
want
to
keep
it
brief.
I
heard
from
several
members
they'd
be
supportive
of
any
I
heard
two
members
who
suggested
they
would
be
supportive
of
one.