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A
C
Hey:
hey
guys,
it's
cash,
I'm
actually
in
the
car.
So
forgive
me
for
not
having
my
video.
B
C
B
A
D
E
B
Yes,
I
need
to
talk
to
you
about
that,
because
I
think
we're
gonna
try
try
to
use
that
so
awesome
that
that
you,
you
had
that
and
be
excited
to
come
over
and
pick
it
up.
For
me.
H
Yes,
I
make
it
6
31,
let's
come
to
order,
and
our
first
agenda
item
is
approving
the
minutes
from
the.
G
Yeah,
I
can
do
that
chair,
ellswick.
H
G
Here,
cj
cullinan
here
matt
crabtree,
here
elaine
federici.
I
G
Cash
parker
here,
okay,
dave
questa,
is
absent,
but
he's
got
city
council
tonight,
so
I
wasn't
really
expecting
him.
So
other
members
present
as
kendra
carberry,
the
attorney
and
eric
sampson
planning
staff.
H
I
didn't
have
any
changes
to
it.
H
Meeting
which
is
preparing
for
our
presentation
to
the
city
council,
the
landmark
protection
language
is
one
of
the
things,
but
the
other
thing
we
wanted
to
present
was
our
draft
landmark
application
and
the
instructions
for
that.
H
We
just
also
actually
worked
on
a
a
process
for
the
application,
but
we
hadn't
finalized
that
but-
and
that's
pretty
much
covered
in
the
the
changes
to
sixteen
six
eleven.
So
it
may
not
be
necessary.
H
F
H
Yes,
please
and
I've
been
through
it,
and
I
have
a
noted
a
couple
of
questions
or
comments.
I'm
not
sure
whether
I
I
did
want
to
ask
jason.
I
assume
you
had
some
input
in
or
you
spoke
with
kendra
in
explaining
this.
That
was
our
resolution
to
ask
you.
A
Yeah,
so
that
was
I
guess
last
week,
eric
kendra
and
I
met
briefly
to
just
kind
of
go
over
some
stuff,
so
touch
base
on
some
things
and
then
kendra
took
it
from
there
so
yeah
it
sounds
useful
to
kind
of
go
over.
You
know
kind
of
what
you
saw
in
your
your
revisions.
F
My
changes
were
mostly
to
make
it
consistent
so
trying
to
trying
to
limit
the
number
of
terms
that
we
were
using,
such
as
you
know,
designating
something
as
a
landmark
and
using
terms
like
certificate
consistently,
so
that
we
were
very
clear
certificate
of
appropriateness.
So
we
were
very
clear
what
we
were
talking
about
each
time
I
did.
F
I
was
not
trying
to
go
through
it
with
a
fine-tooth
comb,
but
more
to
to
focus
on
being
consistent
with
the
terms
and
then
the
other
sort
of
major
thing
that
I
had
heard
again
from
the
mayor
is
that
we
had
to
be
very
clear
that
these
were
recommendations
that
most
of
these
are
recommendations.
That
would
be
then
decided
by
the
by
the
council.
F
So,
and
I
I'm
try-
I
tried
that
in
here
and
anyway,
so
I
I
wouldn't
say
this
was
a
final.
The
other
thing
is
I'm.
I
do
think-
and
I
think
I
said
this
in
one
of
my
emails-
this
kind
of
deserves
perhaps
a
chapter
or
something
more
than
one
section
in
the
code.
It's
very
very
difficult,
just
in
my
experience,
it's
very
difficult
to
follow
something
like
this.
F
When
it's
one
section
with
28
subsections,
it
would
be
much
easier
if
it
would
its
own,
in
my
experience,
its
own
chapter
or
its
own
article
or,
however,
it
works
best
in
your
code
or
we
take
a
lot
of
it
off
out
of
the
code
and
we
put
the
criteria,
criteria
and
other
things
in
a
some
sort
of
a
guide,
a
handbook
policy.
Something
like
that.
So
I'm
just
throwing
those
thoughts
out
there
for
you
guys
to
discuss
this
with
the
council.
I
don't
I
don't
want
you
to
just
just
a
discussion.
F
F
But
anyway,
I'm
just
giving
you
my
overall
thoughts
to
start.
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
focus
on
small
edits
that
I
made
I'm
not
sure
that
I'm
not
trying
to
change
any
of
the
substance
except
for
the
ones
I'm
talking
to
you
about
right
now
and
then
the
other
one
is.
I
highlighted
an
area
where
I
do
think
we
need
to
discuss
that
or
you
need
perhaps
to
discuss
that
with
counsel.
F
That's
the
exemption
process.
I
wasn't
quite
clear
on
it
and
I
do
think
we
need
more
clarity
there
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
council
is
okay
with
you
all
giving
exemptions
without
counsel
input.
I
think
that's
one
area
where
the
council
may
say:
yes,
you
all
can
give
all
the
exemptions
you
want.
We
don't
need
to
see
those
because
exemptions
are
definitely
more
permissive
than
the
alternative,
which
is
a
designation.
So
anyway
I
I've
talked
too
much
already,
but
that's
what
I
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
that
heads
up.
A
Yeah,
no,
no
thank
you
yeah.
I
didn't
get
the
chance
to
look
at
a
real
close
before
this,
but
yeah
from
what
I
can
tell
it's
what
you
said
just
kind
of
more
because
again,
some
of,
as
I
freely
admit
some
of
it
was
you
know
we
had
something
prepared
and
I
kind
of
cut
and
paste
from
that
template
language.
So
I
definitely
see
where
there's
some.
A
You
know
terms
that
may
not
be
consistent
and
you
know,
and
also
kind
of
stuff,
like
perhaps
didn't
really
notice
before,
but
some
stuff
kind
of
maybe
repeated
things
that
you
know
didn't
need
to
be
there.
So
I
saw
where
you
kind
of
deleted
sections
and,
and
then
right
below
is
basically
the
same
thing
so
right,
yeah
that
that'll
makes
sense
and
then
yeah
with
the
exemptions
yeah,
those
kind
of
are
tied
to
the
you
know:
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
that's
something
yeah.
A
I
guess
if
there's
maybe
some
guidance
on
how
we
can
fill
those
out
more,
but
that
may
be
something
too
that
you
know
those
looking
at
economic
heart.
You
know
those
hardship
requirements
are,
you
know,
can
be
found
elsewhere.
So
I'm
sure
we
could
kind
of
look
there,
but
you
know
same
thing
if,
if
you
have
some
kind
of
advice
to
provide
clarity
to
them
but
same
thing
overall,
I
guess
overall.
I
think
this
was
a
very
helpful
review
and
getting
us
to
what
what
we
want.
E
F
I've
seen
it
as
all
of
the
above
as
a
separate
guidebook.
I've
seen
it
as
a
master
plan.
I've
seen
it
as
a
separate
chapter.
I
my
only
recommendation
and
again
perhaps
talk
to
council
about
this,
because
this
is
all
something
we
can.
This
is
less
substance
right,
but
more
procedure,
which
is
what's
the
best
way
for
the
public
to
be
able
to
use
this.
That's
that's.
My
concern
is
right.
I
I'm
just
telling
you
right
now
to
go
to
17.
Different
subsections
is
really
difficult
to
find
so
and
that's
nothing
on
you.
F
And
I'm
happy
to
go
ahead
and
do
a
separate,
so
I
think
I
think,
based
on
what
jason
was
saying,
I
think
perhaps
council
would
want
to
see
it
more
in
the
code
rather
than
in
a
guidebook
jason.
Maybe
you
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
or
not,
but
so
that
they
can
see
it
out
there,
it's
it's
codified.
Everyone
can
understand.
It
is
that.
Is
that
what
you
would
recommend.
A
Yeah,
I
guess
for
myself:
that's
you
know
what
what
I'd
recommend
you
know
you,
you
bring
up
a
good
point.
Maybe
it's
not
the
most
clearly
useful,
but
just
kind
of
providing
us
that
you
know
kind
of
clear
grounds
to
stand
on
and
I
don't
know
I
guess.
Maybe
we
could
look
forward
to
future
projects,
providing
more
guidance
for
how
people
can
you
know
in
layman's
terms
or
something
kind
of
how
they.
I
E
B
B
There's
there's
probably
going
to
be
some
some
interesting,
cutting
and
pasting
and
putting
in
different
places,
and
that's
not
something
that
I
don't
think
we
necessarily
have
to
worry
about
the
the
bulk
of
it
here
and
the
wording
is,
is
what
will
be
what
we'll
be
recommending.
We
might
bring
it
up
that.
Maybe
this
deserves
its
own
chapter
and
and
because
right
now,
kendra
we're
crammed
into
16,
which
covers
a
lot
of
other
things.
F
I
I
agree,
and
that's
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
talking
about.
We
don't
necessarily
agree
that
it
should
be
in
16
by
the
way
it's
not
usually
in
the
zoning
chapter,
just
throwing
that
out
there.
I
know
you
always
you
all
have
a
unified
development
code
which
have
become
really
popular,
but
for
lawyers.
We
like
we
like
to
separate
zoning
and
other
things,
and
this
is
not
necessarily
I
mean,
there's
some
zoning,
but
not
necessarily
so
I
don't
know.
I
again.
I
think
that
you're
right,
I'm
not
sure
we
have
to
go
to.
F
I
love
the
idea
of
going
to
council
with
a
finished
product.
I
think
that's
great,
but
I'm
not
sure
in
this
case
that
we're
there
yet,
because
I
think
we
need
to
maybe
flush
out
some
of
the
substance.
I
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is.
Maybe
you
all
should
focus
on
the
substance
of
this
and
then
let
the
lawyers
and
the
codifiers
figure
out
the
location
later.
B
H
That,
actually
is
how
what
it
has
been
all
along.
I
mean
what
what's
in
the
16
right
now
was
passed
in
2004
before
there.
What
even
was
a
historic
preservation
commission
and
it's
very
vague-
it
doesn't
really
say
what
I
mean.
We
we've
invented
ourselves
over
the
years
here
and
that
and
it
doesn't
have
any
teeth
to
it.
So
that
was
our
original
idea
in
rewriting
the
thing
is:
do
we
actually
have
powers
and
duties?
It
says
so,
and
so.
F
So,
and
I
think
this
does
a
great
job
of
of
making
that
much
clearer
as
to
what
the
duties
are
and
what
you
know,
what
the
criteria,
I
think
that's
all
of
the
substance,
I
think,
is
great,
so
I
you
know
I
my
only
concern
was
having
people
being
able
to
find
it
and
apply
it
in
a
in
in
an
easier
way
than
it
is
right
now,
but
again
you're
the
way
that
your
code
is
structured.
It's
not
so
easy,
so.
B
D
F
D
G
Yeah
yeah-
that's
that's
going
on
this
year,
so
we'll
be
able
to
look
at
that
in
relatively
near
future
and
see
where
we
want
to
have
that
in
title,
16,
somewhere
or
somewhere
else
in
the
code.
But
we
should
have
that
opportunity
to
to
talk
about
that.
Some
more.
H
So
maybe
that
means
that
our
our
modifications
that
they're,
if
they
stay
in
16,
are
not
going
to
be
official
for
a
year
while
the.
D
F
D
F
B
So
if
we
probably,
I
think,
actually
in
preparation
for
our
meeting,
we
I
mean
open
to
suggestions
on
this,
but
normally
write
out
bullet
points
for
speaking
topics
and
then
the
associated
folks
can
chime
in
as
needed.
H
So
they
can
look
at
that
and-
and
I
suppose
we
will
have
to
provide
them
a
copy
of
our
our
draft.
F
F
But
they're
going
to
want
to
see
the
red
line
versus
the
current
code
right.
So
that's
one
thing
I
can
certainly
prepare
and
then,
like
I
said
that
one
area
where
I
highlighted,
I
think
we
need
to
understand
from
the
from
the
council
how
much
authority
they
want
to
give
you
on
exemptions.
I
think
exemptions
is
the
one
area
because
you're
giving
again.
I
think
what
I
heard
from
the
mayor
is
that
the
council
was
concerned
about
you
having
too
much
authority
to
designate
so
because
designation,
as
you
know,
restricts
the
property
right.
F
So
the
the
idea
is,
you
could
have
less,
I'm
not
saying
less
authority
but
you're
going
to
recommend
designations,
but
as
far
as
exemptions
that
you
can
actually
just
to
prove
them,
because
that's
well
within
you
know
your
ability
to
do
so,
and
so
I
think
that's
a
discussion.
A
big
discussion
you
should
have
with
the
council
is:
can
you
all
give
exemptions
without
counsel
approval?
Even
though,
when
you
go
to
designations,
you
get
council
approval,
those
that's
one
area.
F
I
would
suggest
that
you
focus
on
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
what
council
wants
there.
Other
than
that
this
is
all
very
I
mean
this
is
all
very
good
stuff,
this
that
most
communities
use
already.
So
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
that
should
surprise
the
council.
I
think
you
just
need
to
sort
of
introduce
it
to
them
and
say
this
is
what
we
want
to
do.
We
want
to
recommend
districts,
we
want
to
recommend
properties,
we
want
to
have
property
owners,
nominate
things
for
landmarks.
F
We
want
to
have
criteria
for
that
nomination,
and
I
think
what
you
also
want
to
stress
to
the
council
is
that
you
do
all
of
the
you
do
all
the
hard
work
here
right
you
all.
You
determine
whether
the
criteria
have
been
met,
and
then
you
make
a
recommendation,
so
that
makes
it
easier
for
counsel
right,
you're,
you're,
you're,
looking
into
all
the
details
so
that
the
council
doesn't
have
to
spend
as
much
time
doing
it.
That's.
D
B
I
mean
those
are
all
really
good
points
and
there's
actually
some
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we
should
pull
out
of
that
to
relate
to
council,
one
of
which
being
is
that
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
this
language-
and
this
probably
could
be
something
that
jason
could
present
as
he's
a
resident
expert
on
this.
But
a
lot
of
this
language
exists
in
other
communities
already.
B
So
this
isn't.
This
isn't
reinventing
the
wheel.
This
is
kind
of
an
accepted
methodology
and
that
would
be
that'd
be
a
good
point
to
certainly
bring.
C
G
So
actually
that
was
something
I
was
going
to
bring
up
tonight
or
something
that
you
guys
were
to
discuss
is
how
long
the
presentation,
you
think
is
going
to
be,
if
you
want
to,
if
you
think
it's
going
to
be
20
minutes
to
adequately
cover
stuff,
I
think
we
can
do
that.
G
G
Walking
through
stuff
tonight,
if
you
kind
of
get
an
idea
time
frame
of
what
it's
going
to
take
to
present
this
to
council
yeah,
then
I
can.
I
can
email
over
jade
who
kind
of
manages
the
time
schedule
and
that
stuff
and
let
her
know
what
we're
planning
on
for
presentation
and
what
we're
planning
on
for
discussion.
E
B
Yeah
and-
and
I
agree
cj,
you
know
with
what
you
said
there:
it's
we
can
if
we
can
kind
of
condense
this
into
the
just
the
just
the
facts
and
and
get
to
the
point
where
council
starts
firing,
questions
on
us.
Our
presentation
will
have
a
level
of
importance,
obviously,
but
I
think
there'll
probably
be
more
benefit
and
importance
in
the
questions
and
the
back
and
forth
conversation,
that's
going
to
happen
with
council
versus
what
we
actually
present
to
them.
I
Combine
the
two
times
talked
about
last
meeting.
I
I
thought
I
remember
the
idea
of
like
combining
the
times
was
discussed
last
meeting,
where
I'm
sorry,
I
thought
that
was
something
that
was
proposed
where
it
was
like
sort
of
to
combine
it
together
and
then
be
able
to
transition
to
questions
whenever
and
not
have
to
like.
Have
it
planned
out.
I
H
Like
we
would
take
questions
in
the
middle
of
the
presentation.
I
I
thought
that
was
sort
of
put
out
there,
and
it
would
be
helpful
too
to
break
it
up,
maybe
just
as
a
strategy
to
present
a
section
and
then
get
some
feedback
and
then
another
section
and
get
feedback
and
then
ultimately
plan
more
time,
because
I
think
it's
easier
to
end
early
than
it
would
be
to
like
run
out
of
time.
I
G
D
G
So
well,
it
might
not
be
the.
H
That
you
do
the
presentation
and
they
say.
Oh
fine,
thanks
goodbye,
you
know,
and
that
was
it
you're
not
even
sure
that
there
was
any
impact
from
the
presentation.
A
Well,
I've
never
seen
something
like
this
presented
to,
but
you
know
I
would
say,
since
you
know,
they'll
have
the
materials
for
review
and,
if
we're
just
kind
of
you
know,
we
could
probably
slice
this
any.
You
know
any
way
to
fit
a
certain
time
period.
So
I
don't
think
that
you
know.
I
guess
I
don't
have
too
many
thoughts
on
it
but
seems
like
you
know.
A
F
And-
and
one
one
suggestion
again
is
that
you
focus
on
the
substance
and
let
the
council
know
that
whatever
you
do
with
the
code,
it'll
have
to
come
back
to
them
for
approval,
so
they
don't
need
to
wordsmith
individual
sections
right
now.
They
just
if
everybody
focuses
on
the
bigger
picture,
because
this
ordinance
will
have
to
come
back
to
them
to
go
into
the
code.
To
begin
with,
this
is
this
is
really
not
that
that
time
so,
whatever
feedback
they
give,
we
can
take
back
and
then
put
that
into
the
draft.
F
So
you
don't
have
to
talk
about.
Should
we
say
we
should
we
use
this
tense
or
that
tense?
And
I
don't
know
how
your
counsel
is.
Some
of
my
counsels
like
towards
smith,
a
lot,
but
if
you
can
t
get
him
away
from
that
and
more
on
the
bigger
picture
that
you
know,
that
will
be
helpful.
E
Start
it
out
that
way,
we
can
say
we
want
you
to
concentrate
on
the
substance,
we're
providing
knowing
that
the
word
smiths
will
come
later.
I
mean
we
just
say
that
snap,
snap
jason
do
you?
Do
you
feel
comfortable,
creating
a
bullet
point
from
the
different
things
that
you've
gone
through
already
and
maybe
just
email
us
all
through
eric,
and
we
can.
A
F
E
So
that
idea
whatever
forgive
me,
so
let's
go
with
four
or
five
areas.
This
one
power
point
we'll
say:
boom
boom
boom,
there's
one
powerpoint,
we'll
say:
boom
boom
boom
and
do
you
think,
do
you
feel
comfortable
doing
that
and
we
wouldn't
have
more?
What
is
it
helena
more
than
six
per
screen?
Is
that
what's
suggested.
I
I
I
mean
there's
like
a
handful
of
empirically
tested
rules
for
multimedia
design.
That's
not
one
of
them.
That
doesn't
mean
it's
not
good
design.
I
just
can't
speak
to
its
effectiveness
based
on
empirical
testing,
but
definitely
no
extraneous
information
and
not
too
busy
clean
and
simple.
H
I
would,
although
it
wouldn't
hurt
if
we
probably
snuck
in
a
picture
of
some
of
our
landmarks,
as
as
part
of
the
thing
you
know
like
the
the
bank,
the
post
office,
the
spirit.
B
House
or
the
the
holberg
estate
that
we
just
lost
over
the
weekend,
it
was
torn
down
yeah.
It
was
just
torn
down
on
saturday.
B
B
No,
I
found
out
from
doug,
he
was
dropped
by
and
soft
and
surrounded
and
literally
three
days
later,
the
excavator
showed
up.
B
So
the
holberg
estate
was
was
owned
by
the
original
family
that
maintained
and
started
the
coronation
greenhouses
over
on
the
roth
of
huron.
On
the
opposite
side,
I'm
trying
to
get
my
bearings
here
opposite
side,
so
that
would
be
the.
B
Yeah,
where
the
carnation,
because
we
were
the
carnation
capital
of
I
guess,
the
united
states
and
the
holbergs
were
responsible
for
the
the
carnation
growing,
fortunately
beautiful,
home,
brick
home,
very
sound,
very
structurally,
sound,
great
condition,
beautiful
plaster
work
built
in
1917.
E
H
Yeah
I
mean
that
that
was
our
wish
and
right
now
we're
just
trying
to
say
if
we've
designated
it
as
a
landmark,
you
can't
do
anything
to
it
without
letting
us
know
no,
but
we.
D
H
Our
code
isn't
finished,
we
haven't
officially
designated
anything
no.
E
A
A
That's.
What
that
whole
section
is
so
yeah.
We
would
have
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
if
they're,
you
know
removing
important
character,
defining
features
or
something
like
that.
That's
where
we
have
a
place
to
to
comment.
As
for
those
for
those
permits
on,
you
know,
permits
on
locally
landmarked
properties.
B
F
And
I
don't
want
to
be
a
naysayer
here,
but
if
it's
not
registered,
there's
not,
I
mean
that's
kind
of
the
first
step
in
us
being
able
to
do
anything
right.
So
I
I
mean
I
think
it's
great
to
have
the
ability
to
take
photos
before
things
are
torn
down,
but
we
would
have
to
know
about
them.
They
would
have
to
at
least
be
registered
somewhere
with
us.
So
you
know.
I
think
this
is
a
good
step.
F
H
Thing
I
did
like
in
the
that
shows
in
the
modifications
here
is
the
changing
the
order
of
things
the
city
can't
issue
a
permit
until
we've
issued
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
which
would
include
demolition
and
so
forth,
so
for
a
desert
for
a
landmark
that
we
have
designated
that's
what
the
protections
are
about
great.
B
Sorry
guys
just
real
quick
point
of
order.
I
got
to
step
away
just
for
about
two
minutes
here.
Do
you
mind
if
I
mute
and
drop
my
video
just
for
a
minute
all
right?
Okay,.
H
Well,
and
before
we
attach
a
copy
of
this,
I
did
there
were
a
couple
of
oh
please
I
mean
I,
I
just
made
notes
that
a
lot
of
this
is
simplifying
language
or
clarifying
things
or
just
taking
away
redundancies
cool.
I'm
I'm!
Okay
with
that.
H
H
D
H
Like
to
talk
about
those
before
we
it's
in
the
section
on
appeal
of
denial
of
certificate
of
appropriateness,.
H
H
There's
like
okay,
there's
a
within
45
days,
there's
a
a
public
hearing
and
then
the
notice
of
the
council's
consideration
provided
in
in
accordance
with
sections
and
subsections
that
don't
exist.
So.
F
F
C
To
and
yeah
there's
not
page
numbers
on
this,
which
is
also
makes
it
difficult
to
navigate,
but
I'm
looking
at
the
pdf.
That's
the
agenda,
so
there's
15
total
pages.
That's
why
it's
page
12.!
It's
page
12
of
15
of
the
agenda.
F
F
E
D
H
Yes,
there,
that
is
the
page
okay.
Thank
you
all
right,
and
I
I
don't
see
there
is
like.
I
don't
know
where
that
came
from.
E
F
H
F
D
E
D
F
D
H
H
F
F
I'm
not
because
I
think
we
haven't
really
fleshed
out
what
that
second
type
of
hardship
is,
and
I
think
we
have
a
really
good
structure
for
determining
economic
hardship,
but
I'm
just
not
sure
what
where
it
said
you
had
it
originally,
it
said
undo,
but
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
I
changed
it
to
be
other,
but
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
other
there
could
be
other
than
economic.
So
I
mean,
I
think
most
hardship
would
come
back
to
economics
anyway,
so
I
think
you
probably
have
it
covered
yeah.
E
H
And
that's
their,
you
know
if
they
they
already
have
a
a
listed
property.
H
H
It's
ideal
and
like
the
health
and
safety
thing,
the
only
thing
I
could
think
of
is
that
somebody
with
a
listed
property
needs
to
install
a
a
ramp
or
something
which
is
going
to
change
the
appearance
of
their
their
property
and.
E
F
I
guess
my
only
concern
is
if
we're
going
to
have
a
second
type
of
hardship
other
than
economic.
We
have
to
have
all
the
specificity
that
we
do
for
the
economic
and
we
don't
have
that
here
so
perhaps
for
the
time
being,
I
would
leave
it
at
economic
hardship
if
there's
a
disability
issue
which
it
sounds
like,
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point
to
to
you
know
discuss
like
you
said.
If
you
have
to
add
a
ramp,
that's
that's
may
not
be
an
economic
hardship.
It
may
be
another
type
of
hardship.
F
I
F
F
Yeah
yeah,
we
could
do
some
sort
of
a
disability
hardship
to
talk
about.
You
know:
compliance
with
ada
or
other
requirements
to
accommodate
a
disability
that
that
might
be
a
way
to
do
it.
E
D
Be
okay,
cool
and
I'm
just
going
to
throw
this
out
there.
It's
not
that
I
believe
we
need
to
follow
it
or
anything,
but
there's
been
other
cases
where
preservation
and
well
historic
preservation
actually
wins
out
over
ada
compliance
in
a
lot
of
cases.
So
there
is
that
to
consider
if
we
want
to
follow
that.
H
In
fact,
look
at
the
the
downtown
the
post
office
on
south
broadway
on
the
national
register
and
got
that
staircase
going
up
the
front,
and
I
had
I,
I
think,
they've
arranged
something
around
the
back
for
to
make
it
wheelchair
accessible.
But
I
have
seen
people
who
use
a
wheelchair
sitting
out
front
waiting
for
somebody
to
go
in
and
get
their
mail
because
they
can't
get
up
the
stairs
and
yet
the
they
say
that
the
post
office
is
not
or
is
exempted
because
it's
a
national
landmark.
B
And
to
your
point
lauren,
you
know
some
buildings
that
are
multi-stories
that
only
have
staircases,
that's
not
ada
accessible,
because
there's
no
elevator.
I
Is
there
a
difference
between
like
a
commercial
building
being
exempt
from
having
to
comply
with
ada
guidelines
versus
somebody
in
their
home,
wanting
exemption
from
a
historic
status
wanting
to
accommodate
themselves.
I
F
Yes,
and
that
is
very
different,
because
if
I'm
disabled
and
I
want
to
put
a
ramp
in
that's
very
different
than
providing
one
for
the
public
or
being
forced
to
provide
one
for
the
public,
I
think
here
what
you're
talking
about
is
I'm
applying,
because
I
want
to
put
in
a
ramp,
because
I
want
to
be
able
to
use
my
home.
But
I
you
know
so
I
think
that's
a
very
different
situation
and
we
could
certainly
accommodate
for
that.
H
C
Oh
sorry,
I
will
add
on
that
point
too.
Beyond
just
the
disability
concerns
the
safety
issues,
I
mean
that's
a
possibility
too,
where
a
modification
might
be
necessary
and
then
there's.
This
is
probably
too
big
of
a
a
debate
to
resolve
tonight,
because
I
agree
that
probably
more
specificity
is
needed.
It
needs
to
be
fleshed
out
a
little
bit
and
preferably
I
would
see
if
we
can
copy
from
some
other
ordinance
that
already
has
somewhere
else,
because
that's
that's
what
that's!
What
all
good
lawyers
do
is
plagiarize
from
from
other
from
other
sources.
C
C
I'm
an
attorney
kendra,
so
I
I
understand
your
plight
with
these
things,
but
safety
issues
like
if
you've
got,
for
instance,
some
feature
of
a
building
that
I
don't
know
in
the
winter
time
it
makes
it
it's
shaded
all
the
time
and
so
ice
doesn't
melt.
That
creates
a
slip
and
fall
hazard.
You
need
a
modification
based
on
that.
I
could
see
other
reasons
for
the
for
the
waiver
being
necessary
that
wouldn't
necessarily
be
economic.
It
wouldn't
just
be
related
to
accessibility.
C
So
I
think
it's
important
to
have
that
in
in
here
and
worthwhile
for
purposes
of
our
discussion
with
the
council.
I
I
think
it's
one
of
those
areas.
If
it
comes
up,
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
specifically
call
it
out
to
council,
but
if
it
comes
up,
I
think
we
could
say
it's
an
area
that
we're
working
on
fleshing
out
since
we're
just
kind
of
trying
to
present
at
a
conceptual
level,
but
because
yeah
I'd
just
be
interested.
C
If
there's
some
ordinance
somewhere
else,
we
could
just
borrow
from
versus
trying
to
reinvent
this
wheel
ourselves,
because
I
do
think
more
than
just
economic
and
more
than
just
accessibility
is
is
worth
having
in
here.
I
just
I
don't.
I
don't
have
off
the
top
of
my
head,
what
all
the
criteria
might
be,
but
that's
my
two
cents
about
that.
Little
issue.
F
F
I
So
hardship,
economic
hardship,
exemptions,
safety
and
accessibility,
exemptions.
Yeah,
I
think
that's
great.
Does
that
sound
right,
melinda.
I
Yeah
just
another
exemption,
and
it's
a
good
catch-all
too,
because
I
don't
think
somebody
has
to
have
like
an
affirmed
disability
either
to
necessarily
want
more
accessibility.
So
I
think
it's
like
right
now.
Keeping
it
broad
is
a
good
idea.
Yeah.
F
H
H
Then,
at
the
the
very
end,
the
incentives
I
I
like
the
idea
of
adding,
although
I'm
not
that
sure
that
to
be
codified.
F
H
And
because
there
are.
H
Tax
breaks,
basically,
let's
see
the
commercial
properties
can
get
the
federal
rehabilitation
and
tax
credit.
That's
for
federal
tax.
A
Another
this,
though
this
one,
our
landmarking,
wouldn't
qualify
for
those
for
tax
credits,
federal
or
estate.
Oh
it
wouldn't.
No,
you
have
to
be.
You
have
to
be
a
certified
local
government
to
qualify
things
for
state
tax
credit,
and
then
things
have
to
be
listed
on
the
national
register
for
the
federal
tax
credit.
H
Are
they
well
yeah
now
the
state
one
though,
if
it's
on
the
national
register
state
register
or,
of
course,
designated
by
a
certified
local
government
and
we're
not
there
yet,
although
we're
we're
moving
right
along
toward
being
a
clg,
we're
doing
at
least
the
third
step
and
and
the
the
fourth
step,
of
course,
is.
H
Getting
it
out
to
the
community
of
what's
available
and
that,
and
that
is
where
the
incentives
maybe
should
be
put
forward.
A
Yeah
again,
that's
easy
to
take
off.
That
was
just
you
know
something
put
in
there
because
it
had
been
kind
of
stuff
brought
up,
that
there
was
interest
from
the
city
and
and
tying
some
incentives
to
that.
So
it
doesn't.
You
know,
there's.
B
Well,
I
don't
know,
I
think,
keeping
incentives
is
as
a
basic
framework,
maybe
not
not
at
the
code,
but
as
a
basic
framework,
I
think,
is
a
good
idea.
Oftentimes
historic
preservation
is
an
expensive
thing
to
do
so.
F
H
Like
the
downtown
development
authority
to
understand
about
that,
there
are
for
commercial
businesses,
anyhow
there's
on
tax
credits
and
a
qualified
rehab
project.
I
I'm
looking
at
my
notes
that
I
had
on
this
that.
H
H
Thank
you,
I
mean
I'm
telling
you
so
that
that
is
like
say.
That
is
something
when
we're
presenting
it
to
the
community
or
to
the
council
that
they
should
be
aware
of.
There
are
incentives,
but
not
in
this.
E
D
E
Anything
else
that
you
found
melinda
those
are.
H
The
those
are
the
biggies.
Let's
say
I
mean
I
I
I
like
that.
You
know
there
are
several
places
where
it's
like
simplified
clarified,
or
you
know,
remove
redundancies
and
stuff
and
then
the
sort
of
stuff
we
would
do
if
we
really
went
through
it
with
a
fine
tooth
comb.
So.
E
F
All
right
so
probably
for
the
the
next
should
I
then
sort
of
accept
the
edits
that
I've
done
plus
make
a
few
extras
that
we've
talked
about
tonight,
like
the
disability,
safety
exemption,
create
another
version
run
a
red
line
against
the
current
ordinance
in
the
code,
because
I
know
that's
what
council
is
going
to
want
to
see
right
that
they're
going
to
be
focused
on
what's
in
the
code
now,
and
what
do
you
want
and
then
should
I
send
that
to
who
eric
jason
for
okay,
I
see
hands,
raising
okay,
excellent
and
then
maybe
we'll
go
from
there
and
when
you
can
meet
with
council.
G
Thank
you,
and
just
just
a
heads
up.
I
will
need
anything
that
we're
going
to
include
in
the
council
packet
for
the
study
session
that
needs
to
be
to
them
by
friday
at
noon.
So,
if
you
could
get
those
to
me
by
the
end
of
the
day
on
thursday,
this.
D
G
Yeah,
this
is
how
the
stuff
is
set
up.
It
goes
through
a
big
review
process
works
its
way
through
the
channels,
and
then
it
gets
sent
out
to
council
the
wednesday
before
this.
The
meeting,
I
believe
so
it's
like
an
admin
time
turn
around
from
friday
to
to
wednesday.
G
E
A
H
Well,
and
we
we
will,
I
hope,
all
attend
the
the
the
study
session
so.
C
G
Oh
this
way,
yeah.
C
G
Probably
yeah
yeah
and
that's
actually
going
to
be
determined
tomorrow,
I
think,
is
the
the
mayor
manager
meeting
and
that's
when
they
determine
all
the
time
frames
and
stuff
so
after
tomorrow,
I'll
have
more
information
as
well.
If
I
find
out
anything
that
nails
down
an
actual
specific
time,
I
will
let
you
know
I'll,
send
out
an
email.
H
I
think
so
I
mean
we
we're
planning.
I
I
just
want.
As
the
chair,
I
will
like
introduce
everybody
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
the
powerpoint
and
I'll
introduce
jason
as
our
expert
on
on
this
and
then
let
him
go
through
the
the
powerpoint
and
then
we'll
all
be
there
to
answer
questions.
G
So,
okay,
so
we
want
the
attachments
to
be
the
red
line
code
language,
the
powerpoint.
Do
we
want
to
include
the
landmark
application
and
process
guide
draft
as
reference,
because
I
think
most
of
council
has
seen
this
before,
because
that's
what
one
of
our
our
first
study
sessions
with
them
was
about.
D
Yeah
and
I
think
we
should
include
the
application,
but
not
necessarily
the
process
guide,
because
the
process
has
kind
of
changed
based
on
our.
G
D
G
H
I
I
I
was
wondering
you
know
a
couple
times
over
the
last
few
months,
I've
kind
of
like
touted
the
historic
preservation
commission's
combined
residency
in
englewood.
Now
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
years
to
contribute,
but
I'm
curious
what
that
it
really
is.
I
I
I
wonder
if
we
could
add
up
our
years
living
in
inglewood
as
a
group,
I
sit
on
the
library
board
as
well
and
how
many
of
those
board
members
are
newer
and
young
younger,
there's
some
very
young
families
on
that
group,
and
I
know
they
don't
have
the
combined
residency
of
this
group,
and
I
just
wonder
if
that's
something
interesting
just
to
even
if
we
don't
use
it
in
our
presentation.
But
just
to
be
aware
of,
I
feel
like
it's
a
big
number.
I
E
D
I
H
Well,
we
don't,
we
don't
have
to
say
how
much
some
of
us
have.
I
I
Yeah,
well,
I
know
that
working
with
some
of
you,
your
knowledge
of
inglewood,
is
encyclopedic,
and
so
I
just
I'm
wondering,
what's
what's
a
good
way
of
kind
of
putting
it
out
there
in
a
fun
way
and
sharing
the
kind
of
the
credentials
of
the
group
in
a
way
and
like
the
I
don't
know
just
what's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for
come
on
guys
help
me
out
not
the
credentials,
but
just
like
the
community
involvement,
and
just
like
the
anchors
of
the
community.
That
kind
of
vibe.
D
H
H
All
right
and
jason
will
or
will
will
get
the
powerpoint
distributed
or
put
put
together,
and
thank
you
jason
for
being
there
serving
as
the
point
person
on
the
whole
project
here.
B
I
haven't
got
an
update
on
that
yet,
but
we
could
use
that
logo
right
now,
so
I
haven't
actually
heard
back
from
chris
yet
on
it,
but.