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B
Right
every
form,
terrific,
welcome
everybody
to
the
special
Evanston
City
Council
meeting.
All
of
our
meetings
are
special,
but
this
one
literally
is
I,
guess
formally
a
special
meeting,
because
the
City
Council
usually
doesn't
meet
on
the
first
Monday
of
the
month,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
of
business
and
one
in
particular
item
in
particular
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
tonight,
which
is
the
budget
workshop
for
the
2019
budgets,
something
that
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about.
It
will
continue
to
talk
about
for
the
next
couple
of
meetings.
B
In
terms
of
in
terms
of
mayor
announcements,
the
only
announcement
I'd
say
today's
I
just
want
to
thank
the
students.
We
had
a
bunch
of
fifth
graders
from
Dewey
school.
Excuse
me
fourth
graders
from
Dewey
here
today,
as
well
as
first
graders
from
Oakton
school
that
were
visiting
City
Hall
and
both
the
city
council
chambers,
and
we
got
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
them
and
clerk
read:
I
got
to
speak
to
them
about
voting
and
the
importance
of
voting.
So
we
had
over
100
kids
here
and
some
of
them
may
be
watching
tonight.
A
Evanston
has
the
early
voting,
has
wrapped
up
I
think
we're
still
wrapping
up
there
still
folks
down
in
the
basement.
Currently
voting
we
have
had
will
have,
by
the
end
of
the
day
over
1500
folks
to
vote
just
today,
which
is
amazing.
We've
had
run
track
to
have
about
13,000
folks
come
out
an
early
vote
here
at
their
Evanston
Civic
Center
over
the
last
two
weeks.
A
We
are
firmly
in
the
top
spot
is
the
most
utilized
early
voting
center
in
Cook
County
for
the
first
time
in
a
general
election
and
a
midterm
election,
so
yeah,
but
what's
what's
really
great,
is
we
are
on
track
to
have
so
early
voting?
Typically,
accounts
typically
accounts
for
25
to
28
percent
of
total
voter
turnout
so
with
the
numbers
we're
currently
on
track
to
hit
close
to
80
percent
turnout
78
to
80
percent
turnout.
A
If
trends
pan
out
and
to
put
that
in
context,
we
typically
in
midterm
elections,
realize
15
percent
turnout,
fifteen
to
thirty
percent
turnout
and
in
non
presidential
elections.
In
fact,
we
haven't
seen
turnout
like
this,
since
the
2016
presidential
election,
so
Evanston
should
be
very,
very
proud
of
of
our
voting
habits.
I
think
that
that
wraps.
A
B
A
Have
one
more
announcement
to
make
regarding
voting
so
tomorrow?
If
you
need
a
ride
to
the
polls
and
if
you
know
someone
is
right
to
the
polls
you
can
utilize,
lyft
and
uber
or
offering
free
rides
to
the
polls
on
Election
Day.
So
please
utilize
that
and
you
can
find
your
local
polling
location
by
visiting
either
by
calling
the
clerk's
office
or
visiting
the
county
clerk's
website.
Here's.
B
The
list-
okay,
a
few
seconds
terrific
and
then
you'll,
send
it
to
me
and
then
you'll
keep
track
on
the
time
because
I,
like
our
new
system,
all
right
so
we're
gonna
move
to
public
comment.
We
have
13
people
that
are
signed
up
for
public
comment
this
evening
and,
as
everyone
knows,
we
set
aside
45
minutes
total
for
public
comment
with
less
than
15
people.
That
means
each
person
will
get
up
to
three
minutes.
If
you
need,
if
you
need
three
minutes
and
again,
the
folks
up
here
at
the
Dyess
are
listening
to
you.
B
If
you
sort
of
said
the
same
thing
before
think
about
something
different
to
say
this
time.
If
you
want
to
get
a
different
point
across
or
or
it's
okay,
if
you
say
hey,
you
know,
you've
heard
me
before
I
feel
strongly
that
we
shouldn't
cut
a
B
or
C,
or
we
shouldn't
raise
a
B
and
C.
So
with
that
we're
gonna
move
on
to
to
the
comments.
So
let's
see
it's
here
on
my
phone
now,
drumroll,
please
for
the
first
couple
speakers
all
right,
Mike,
vasila
Co
is
our
first
one.
Today
Mike
come
on
up.
C
C
The
social
service
cuts
being
proposed,
we're
not
necessary
I've
new
numerated
many
times
that
the
council
that
the
city
could
have
had
a
budget
surplus
had
it
not
been
for
reoccurring
financial
waste
brought
to
the
council
by
an
inexperienced
city
staff
and
approved
by
council
members,
unwilling
to
challenge
staff
recommendations.
I
wish
council
members
would
take
financial
waste
seriously.
C
C
The
third
item
is,
over
the
weekend
I
sent
out
to
the
council
members
the
copy
of
the
page
32,
the
proposed
budget
sheet,
which
shows
a
organizational
shirt.
This
is
the
first
time
you're
mentioning
it,
but
it's
been
something
that
it's
been
on
my
mind
for
every
year,
I
look
at
the
budget.
The
point
is
residents
and
the
city
clerk
are
not
at
the
top
of
the
pile
I
think
that's
propaganda,
and
it
certainly
looks
nice
on
paper
makes
some
people
feel
good,
I
suppose,
or
certainly
not
there.
C
The
second
page
and
I'm
serious,
the
City
Council
to
substitute
a
page
in
the
budget.
That's
more
realistic,
possibly
the
one
I
sent
as
an
alternative
that
puts
the
residents
clearly
at
the
bottom
of
the
pile.
That's
where
we
feel
like
we
are
items
lost
track.
I
guess
I'd
like
to
know
why
the
City
Clerk's
office
their
budget
this
year
for
I
guess
automobile
use
was
cut
50%,
whereas
every
other
department
was
cut
5%.
C
It
seems
to
me
the
council's
always
picking
on
the
City
Clerk's
office
and
their
expenses,
and
they
carry
a
bigger
burden
to
anybody
else.
I'd
also
like
to
know
why
the
library
directors
contract
isn't
going
to
be
renegotiated
sooner
than
later.
She
makes
over
$250,000
a
year
with
benefits
and
her
auto
allowance
is
$1,100
a
month
more
than
any
other
more
than
the
city
manager
more
than
anybody
else
on
the
city
staff.
C
C
D
Hi
I'm
Tony
ray
from
the
Fourth
Ward
I'm,
representing
interfaith
action
of
Evanston
advocacy
team
and
also
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing.
I
did
we
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
your
good
work,
updating
and
improving
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
and
thanks
to
the
staff
who
did
really
hard
work.
B
E
My
name
is
Meg
cruelly
and
I'm
a
resident
in
the
second
Ward
in
Evanston
and
I'm
here
tonight.
Speaking
as
the
president
of
the
district
65
educators,
Council
the
teachers
union
on
behalf
of
the
Evanston
teachers
in
65
and
district
OH,
we
support
keeping
firehouse
number
four
open
and
ALS
Engine
24
in
service.
We
do
not
support
the
closing
of
any
fire
station
in
Evanston
or
reductions
of
any
of
its
current
emergency
response
vehicles.
E
Closing
the
fire
station
would
absolutely
increase
response
time
if
there
were
an
emergency
situation
and
reduced
to
an
unsafe
level,
the
amount
of
firefighters
available
to
provide
support
and
emergencies
as
public
employees
serving
the
families
of
our
city.
We
strongly
urge
the
city
of
Evanston
to
demonstrate
its
commitment
to
the
welfare
of
our
students
and
families
in
Evanston
by
keeping
firehouse
for
open
and
ALS
Engine
24
in
operation.
We
also
are
in
opposition
to
any
public
service
cuts
that
will
have
any
negative
impact
on
the
students,
communities
and
families
in
Evanston.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
Evening,
mayor
Haggerty
city,
council,
clerk,
read
I
wanted
to
be
a
little
bit
philosophical
tonight
about
the
budget.
Thinking
about
it
and
after
the
meeting
last
week,
I
have
a
couple
of
suggestions
that
may
or
may
not
work,
but
I
I
figured
I
would
run
it
by
you
and
see
what
you
think
there
seems
to
be
a
flaw
in
the
budget,
discussions
and
process
being
that
we
haven't
had
a
balanced
budget
for
the
past
three
years
and
we
participated
in
your
your
priority
based
budget
in
May.
F
Like
dapper
committee
planning
committee,
H,
HRC
I
believe
the
final
vote
by
City
Council
on
any
decision
that
involves
a
board
commission
or
committee.
You
should
allow
the
department
or
committee
at
least
one
vote,
yay
or
nay,
so
my
first
suggestion
is
to
have
a
budget
committee,
but
one
that
makes
a
binding
decision.
Also,
please
change
the
other
departments
and
committees,
so
they
can
also
make
binding
decisions,
so
their
discussions
and
votes
are
not
just
discussions.
F
Also,
please
create
a
format
by
which
the
console
as
a
whole
can
answer
the
questions
that
are
brought
up
at
meetings
through
public
comment.
It
could
be
a
committee
or
website
for
responses
to
public
comment.
We
really
need
this
feedback.
It
would
be
greatly
appreciated
to
know
that
our
voices
are
heard
and
that
we
can
be
part
of
the
process
and
part
of
the
solution,
I
believe
in
looking
forward
to
the
next
several
years.
F
It
would
be
helpful
to
look
back
at
the
last
three
years
to
see
where
the
problems
were
in
not
being
able
to
balance
the
budget
in
2016,
17
and
18
for
now,
in
order
to
keep
from
making
those
drastic
cuts
in
programs
and
services,
I
suggest
to
cut
between
2
and
5
percent
across
the
board
on
all
spending
proposed
on
your
new
2019
budget
or
better.
Yet,
let's
all
work
together
with
all
of
Evanston
residents
to
create
a
budget
that
works
for
all
of
us.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
Ray
next
up,
we've
got
John
Jonathan
Newsome,
then
Eric
pecet
Jonathan
did
Eric,
Jonathan
did
okay
Oh
a
you,
Eric
come
on,
come
on
up
Eric
and
then
we've
got
Doreen
price
and
the
Jessica
sales.
Okay.
G
So
I'm
Eric
pass
it
and
I'm
a
resident
of
the
4th
Ward
and
also
the
owner
of
North
Shore
apartments
and
condos
in
Evanston
and
well.
I
was
talking
to
all
the
men
Fleming
about
before
the
meetings
and
I.
Don't
think
the
council's
the
the
main
problem
with
our
taxes
going
up
I
think
we're
all
the
problem.
I,
don't
think
anybody
wants
to
give
up
services,
and
so,
if
we
don't
want
to
give
up
services
safe,
Holly
Clark
save
this
build
a
new.
G
This
build
a
new
that
taxes
have
to
go
up,
it's
a
fact
and
what
I
would
urge
people
all
people
to
think
about,
including
the
every
time
we
raise
taxes?
We
we
force
out,
affordable
housing,
it
no
longer
exists
in
Evanston.
If
you
raise
taxes
on
and
properties
in,
general
landlords
like
myself,
are
forced
to
raise
rents
and
we
are
imposed
upon
way
worse
than
a
single
homeowner.
G
You
tax
building
owners
on
a
lot
more
than
everybody
else.
It's
not
it's
just
a
fact.
You
know
we
are
taxed
a
lot
more,
so
we're
forced
to
raise
rents.
We
have
to
to
make
ends
meet
you
know,
and
so,
if
taxes
go
up,
guess
what
so
do
our
rents
and
it's
become
a
very
competitive
market
out
there
as
far
as
renting
apartments,
with
all
the
new
building
changes
at
Northwestern,
a
lot
of
things
are
going
to
hurt
our
our
business
and
taxes
make
it
even
worse.
You
know,
then
you
talk
about
homeowners.
G
I
have
so
many
friends
who
love
to
live
in
Evanston,
guess
what
they
say.
Taxes
are
unreasonable.
You
know,
I
could
tell
you
I
my
modest
house,
I'd
paid
quite
a
bit
in
taxes,
I'm
sure
everybody
else
does
I'm,
not
the
only
one,
but
if
they
go
up
again
guess
who's
forced
to
move
out.
You
know
so
we're
gonna
be
in
a
we're
going
to
be
in
a
city
of
upper
middle-class
people
where
where's
you
know.
Where
does
it
stop,
so
we
have
to
cut
services
in
order
to
not
race.
You
know
property
taxes.
G
If
we
continue
to
do
that,
you
know
how
many
people
are
gonna
be
able
to
afford.
If
you
look
around
the
houses
that
are
not
selling
in
Evanston
are
the
million
plus
houses,
the
million
dollar
plus
houses
are
not
selling
enough.
You
know
why,
if
the
property
taxes
are
way
too
high
you'll
pay
thirty
thousand
plus
dollars
in
property
taxes,
if
you're
on
a
million
dollar
house,
if
you
go
wall,
mat
or
Holland
Park,
it's
not
the
same.
You
know
now
I
do
understand.
Our
costs
are
different.
G
We
don't
have
industry,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
reasons,
but
we
have
to
cut
services.
You
know,
maybe
not
save
Howard
Clark,
maybe
not
build
another
library
who
knows
what
it
is,
but
if
we
don't
do
something,
we're
gonna
push
out
a
whole
bunch
of
people,
maybe
night,
not
maybe
not
myself,
but
a
lot
of
people
I
know
cannot
afford
to
live
in
Evanston.
G
H
I
love
building.
What
on
what
other
people
are
talking
about?
So
I
guess
that
makes
me
unique
enough
to
be
able
to
speak
for
three
minutes.
I
hope
you
smile
at
that
one
in
terms
of
what
this
gentleman
just
said
and
we
spoke
beforehand.
I
respect
his
opinion
about
increases
in
taxes,
but
having
a
really
really
deep,
in-depth,
look
and
experience
with
regard
to
the
need
for
affordable
housing.
I
can't
differ
in
terms
of
opinion
anymore
than
the
fact
that
we
do
need
these
services
and
putting
them
off
has
gotten
us
in
the
bind.
H
H
That's
very
responsible
we're
not
the
people
who
are
needing
help,
because
we
have
not
been
responsible
with
our
money.
I
think.
There's
a
lot
of
prejudices
out
there
in
terms
of
who
does
need
the
money,
and
why-
and
it
looks
like
from
our
discussions
today,
ad
of
joining
forces
meeting-
that
there
is
some
really
strong
argument.
H
That
applies
to
every
single
person
living
here,
regardless
of
age
or
whatever,
and
that
was
really
revealing
when
we
went
through
a
lot
of
examples
to
see
who
fell
through
everyone
fell
through
and
in
terms
of
the
more
immediate
needs.
You
can
save
money
by
helping
people
rehab
and
trying
to
encourage
Realtors,
who
are
looking
for
flips
to
actually
encourage
people
to
and
buy
some
incentive
or
some
tax,
which
will
also
bring
an
income
to
help
with
affordable
housing.
H
But
you
have
to
start
including
these
single-family
homes,
which,
in
the
durham
article
which
I
brought
to
you
earlier,
which
I
am
repeating
for
sake
of
clarity
for
some
that
it's
important
to
the
black
community,
and
I
checked
with
my
black
friends-
and
it
just
wasn't
just
my
black
friends.
But
it's
everybody
that
was
in
durham
that
was
affected
by
decisions
that
were
made.
That
weren't
concerning
of
equity
are
Rho.
Rho
was
approved
without
having
an
equity
framework,
and,
even
though
it
was
said
it
was
needed.
H
I
Evening,
everyone
I'll
keep
this
short
and
sweet
tonight.
We
all
know
that
we're
at
the
business
end
of
this
budget.
It's
been
really
long,
you've
heard
from
myself
and
so
many
others.
So
for
me
tonight
there
is
no
impassion
please,
instead
I
just
want
to
first
of
all
give
thanks
especially
to
a
lot
of
the
older
men
who
have
been
really
vocal
in
coming
out
for
support
for
the
Mental
Health
Board
and
for
Health
and
Human
Services.
So
please
know
that
has
been
noticed
and
really
appreciated.
I
I
If
this
grant
writing
needs
to
be
done
and
there's
the
potential
to
secure
additional
revenue
and
the
city's
short-staffed
I
would
really
welcome
the
opportunity
to
get
some
of
that
worked
on
so
I
appreciate
the
reply
from
city
manager
and
the
director
that
they're
really
open
to
that
so
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
guys
know
about
that
and
then.
Finally,
when
we're
talking
figures,
the
mental
health
was
facing
a
33
percent
cut.
So
that's
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
so
when
I
think
of
33
percent
I
think
of
a
three-legged
bathroom.
I
So
essentially
it's
cutting
the
leg
off
the
Bosto.
So
it's
still
apostille,
it's
maybe
just
not
as
effective,
and
it
probably
doesn't
do
the
job
as
well.
I
understand
that
if
a
cot
has
to
happen,
then
that's
part
of
the
game
I
would
suggest
maybe
a
smaller
cut.
If
that
had
to
happen,
a
five
to
ten
percent
cut
would
be
roughly
thirty
to
seventy
thousand,
which
is
still
significant,
but
I,
don't
believe
it
would
be
as
paralyzing
to
the
board.
I
B
J
Nothing
of
this
was
brought
up
in
anything
in
the
priority
based
budgeting
surveys
that
went
out
nothing
of
anything
near
the
direct
impact
on
the
citizens
of
this
community
was
presented
in
advance
of
this
budget
now
I
understand
cuts
need
to
be
made.
I
get
that
I'm
resident
I
pay
my
taxes,
it
affects
everything,
but
when
you're
talking
about
also
making
cuts
to
social
service
programs,
who
picks
that
up,
we
do.
We
are
not
only
fire
suppression
and
emergency
medical
services.
J
There
is
no
way
that
we
can
respond
to
over
10,000
calls
a
year
with
a
20%
reduction
in
our
response
area
and
our
personnel
in
our
abilities.
Not
only
does
that
affect
the
people
that
I
live
with.
It
affects
the
men
and
women
that
I
work
with
you're,
putting
our
lives
at
risk,
putting
our
lives
at
stake
response
times.
Staffing
are
important.
There
are
reasons
we
have
fire
houses
laid
out
the
way
they
are.
There
are
reasons
we
have
staffing
laid
out.
The
way
it
is.
J
K
Think
we
need
to
be
clear
here.
What's
caused
this
budget
crisis,
I
mean
I
heard
one
speaker
suggest:
Harley
Clark
is
a
luxury
and
all
this
but
forget
Harley
Clark,
it's
six
million
dollars
in
a
James
Park
lawsuit,
it's
a
million
dollars
in
the
Robinson
lawsuit
which
mr.
Bob
Coates
was
involved
in
this
is
where
the
money's
gone.
It's
in
all
the
screw-ups
and
the
capital
projects
and
amounts
to
millions
of
dollars.
It's
waste
on
Howard
Street.
K
It's
all
these
things
and
I
see
something
else
even
on
this
coming
agenda,
where
we've
got
some
issues
of
waste
and
we'll
talk
about
it
at
that
meeting,
but
it
just
continues
and
continues
and
continues-
and
you
know
the
firefighters
are
right.
I
did
ask
if
we
could
run
this
thing
on
overtime.
This
I
was
told
by
some
people.
K
Yes,
they
could
run
it
at
200,000,
so
it's
possible,
but
I,
don't
know
if
that's
good
or
not
to
run
it
and
let
them
work
a
lot
of
overtime
and
the
police
have
been
cut
to
this
guy.
Basically,
he
said
oh
I
did
a
study.
Well,
the
study
is
like
they
said.
It's
an
overview
to
do
anything
and
he's
cut
the
police
department
down
too.
So
it's
the
same
problem
I
mean
nothing's
been
done
with
any
thought,
any
numbers,
anything
that
does
anything
for
the
community.
He
cut
the
hell
apartment
and
he
pretends
that.
K
Oh,
it
wasn't
a
problem
and
we
just
had
some
miscommunication.
He
didn't
know
what
he
was
doing.
That's
the
bottom
line.
That's
the
bottom
line
here
we
are
just
cutting
things
to
make
numbers
so
keep
making
the
numbers,
and
it
guess
what
we
have.
A
big
tax
increase.
I
think
I've
said
it
many
many
times
now,
but
this
all
amounts
to
is
30
to
50%.
K
17%
this
year
is
what
you're
looking
at
and
2020
you're
looking
at
the
same
thing,
that's
over
30%
and
given
all
the
other
problems
and
who
knows
what
is
hiding
in
the
budget
because
it
looks
like
they're
under
estimating
legal
fees
by
them,
two
million
dollars,
that's
what
a
couple
of
us
are
starting
to
see.
So
all
this
is
coming
again
because
nothing's
been
fixed
and
you
know
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
new
police
chief,
because
mr.
Bob
quits
does
not
hire
quality
people.
K
Everybody
he
seems
to
hire,
seems
to
be
at
a
mid-range
level,
they're,
not
quality,
I'm,
sorry
to
say,
and
everyone
I've
seen
him
hire
here,
there's
nothing
but
a
bunch
of
people
that
report
to
him
that
I'm
sorry,
we
have
not
brought
in
any
quality
people
in
the
last
four
or
five
years
here
and
I'm.
You
know
frankly,
I
see
that
you
know
you
can
just
look
at
it.
So
you
know
you
can
laugh.
You
can.
K
You
know
pretend,
but
you've
got
a
big
mess
here
and
you
know,
and
you're
responsible
and
the
boaters
are
I
think
the
voters
are
hearing
it.
The
voters
are
seeing
it
and
they
know
it
so
as
far
as
crossing
guards,
that's
just
a
scheme
to
dump
them
out
of
this
audios
responsibility
and
nobody
will
take
care
of
these
guards.
If
they're
missing
I
saw
that
I
realize
that
that's
the
scheme
here
on
that
I
heard
of
mr.
Visoko
is
correct.
We're
gonna
cut
something
else.
You
know,
and
the
other
thing
is
we
don't.
K
We
have
six
directors
here
that
basically
you
subsidize
their
cars.
You
basically
give
them
a
car
a
year.
I
think
that's
a
necessary
of
four
hundred
dollar
car
allowance
for
people
that
work
here
in
the
Civic
Center
is
unnecessary.
It
should
be
cut.
And,
frankly,
it's
this
all
this
waste.
Here's
what's
the
problem,
it's
not
Harley,
Clark,
Harley
Kirk
hasn't
cost
them
with
taxpayers
any
money.
You
can
keep
pretending
those
things
cost
money,
the
real
things
that
cost
money
are
all
this
other
stuff.
Thank
you.
L
You
hi
I
actually
came
here
to
speak
about
something,
but
I
want
to
say.
First
of
all,
a
couple
people
have
referred
to
Harley,
Clark
and
Harley.
Clark
is
not
a
budget
item
and
no
one
in
the
group
said
I've
been
involved
in
is
asking
for
city
money
and
with
the
election
tomorrow.
I
just
want
to
make
that
really
really
clear.
L
So
it's
just
a
red
herring
when
it
comes
up
from
people
saying
that
it
just
rests
on
the
budget,
because
what
I
really
came
here
to
say
and
actually
I
had
one
other
thing
regarding
that
Harley
Clark
actually
would
create
jobs
and
bring
in
tax
dollars.
And
if
you
just
let
people
go
to
town
with
it,
you
know
not
the
city
and
not
city
staff,
but
volunteers
who
are
experts
in
their
field.
You
may
actually
see
a
revenue
source
coming
in.
That
brings
people
to
our
town
to
use
other
facilities.
L
But
what
I
really
came
here
to
say
is
I,
first
of
all,
agree
with
everyone
who
spoke
ahead
of
us
ahead
of
me,
but
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
huge
mistake
to
close
the
fire
station.
We
have
a
high
school
right
over
there.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
in
that
Ward
that
really
rely
on
it
and
it
seems
like
it.
Like
mr.
L
Hayes
said
it
came
out
of
nowhere
and
I
think
that
our
budget
problems
seem
to
come
from
lack
of
long-term
planning
and
I'm
really
curious
one
when
we
can
have
honest
budget
meetings
not
with
you
guys
up
there
and
us
over
here,
but
where
we
sit
down
and
answer
some
of
these
questions.
We
need
a
three
five
ten
year
program
because
we've
got
debt
service
coming
at
us
and
we
need
to
figure
out
how
the
heck
we're
going
to
manage
that
and
we're
not
going
to
build
ourselves
out
of
it.
L
We're
not
gonna
parking
ticket
ourselves.
Out
of
this,
it's
gonna
take
some
creative
planning
and
I
mean
we
have
I
see
on
the
budget
I'm
trying
to
understand
it.
I
printed
it
up,
but
I
see
a
million
dollars
in
2017,
going
from
a
TIF
district
for
a
theater,
and
then
this
year
I
see
a
million
dollars
coming
from
the
general
fund
to
that
theater
and
then
I
see
money
from
the
general
bond
going
there
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
see
how
money
flows
in
this
town
and
what
it
means.
L
If
we
say
in
2017
that
there's
a
million
dollars
in
TIF
districts
for
a
project
doesn't
mean
the
money.
Is
there
so
I'm
asking?
We
need
some
real
answers.
We
need
people
to
be
able
to
sit
down
with
experts
with
you
and
insurance
and
say
hey.
This
is
how
our
budget
works
because
I'm
not
sure
anyone
really
understands.
So.
Thank
you,
I
know
it's
a
challenge
and
I
hope
we
can
get
through
this.
But
please
don't
close
fire
station
four.
L
One
thing
I
found
out
about
the
fire
people.
We
have
26
fire
people
who
each
pay
$15
of
their
own
dollar
to
go,
buy
food
for
themselves,
so
that's
26
times
15.
So
three
hundred
ninety
dollars
a
day
they
spend
here
and
then
they
call
it
Evanston
grocery
stores,
and
so
at
the
end
of
the
year,
these
guys
are
spending
a
hundred
and
forty
two
thousand
of
their
own
dollars.
So
when
you
see
them
in
the
grocery
store,
that's
not
taxpayer
dollar
they're
using
and
then
they're
paying.
L
B
M
Mayor
members
of
council,
as
you
all
know,
the
council's
rules
prohibit
the
council
from
responding
to
public
speakers
in,
and
certainly
we're
blessed
in
Evanston.
To
have
many
public
speakers
share
their
mind.
I
must,
however,
this
evening
take
issue
with
one
of
the
public
speakers
referring
to
the
city
staff.
M
We
have
a
collection
of
men
and
women
who
are
outstanding,
who
come
to
work
every
single
day,
skilled
professionals
working
very
hard
in
sometimes
very
difficult
conditions
being
being
criticized
being
looked
at
in
ways
that
many
municipal
professionals,
nowhere
else
in
the
country
really
find
themselves,
and
so
mr.
mayor
members
of
the
council,
I
just
want
to
correct
the
statements
that
the
individuals
that
we
have
working
here
are
some
of
the
finest
public
servants
professionals
that
we
have.
We
are
all
fortunate
and
honored
to
work
in
this
community.
M
The
downside,
unfortunately,
is
the
constant
scrutiny
and
the
the
spreading
of
false
and
incomplete
information.
It's
something
we
face
as
a
country
which
is
very,
very
sad,
but
mr.
mayor,
thank
you
for
letting
me
have
the
opportunity
this
evening
to
correct
at
least
that
one
point
of
many
misstatements
and
and
mistruths
that
are
often
stated
here
by
members
of
the
public.
Thank.
N
N
Could
you
please
explain
how
a
TIF
district
works,
how
increment
works
and
how
bonding
for
a
TIF
district
projects
work
and
then
I
will
add
one
little
thing.
If
it
weren't
for
bonding,
you
would
not
have
a
theater
a
hotel,
nothing
on
Maple
Street
downtown
a
parking
garage.
We
we
bonded
420.
We
budgeted
a
budget
of
23
million
dollars
for
infrastructure
in
the
downtown
it
was.
It
was
called
at
the
time
the
research
park
TIF
we
budgeted
23
million
dollars
for
infrastructure
that
in
there
wasn't
there
wasn't
$23.
N
That
was
the
biggest
vacant
lot
in
the
United
States
of
America.
When
we
started
you-you-you
bond
and
you
pay
it
back
with
the
increment.
So
could
you
just
explain
very
specifically
about
the
theater,
because
it
also
goes
to
the
failure
of
peckish
pig
and
the
failure
of
Ward
8?
And
you
know
the
upcoming
failure
of
the
theater
not
not
happening.
N
Those
things
are
making
money
for
this
for
the
for
this
city,
because
the
real
estate,
the
original
real
estate,
taxes,
liquor
fees,
liquor,
sales,
taxes,
those
don't
go
into
the
increment,
those
don't
become
increment,
they
come
to
the
city
and
it's
very,
very
helpful.
So
just
just
zero
in
on
the
theater.
Certainly.
M
The
save
haven't
has
been
extraordinarily
successful
in
tips
and
aldermen.
Rainey
is
referring
to
what
is
known
as
the
Howard
Ridge
TIF.
This
project
was
started
many
years
ago
way.
Tax
increment
financing
works.
Is
you
freeze
the
amount
of
tax
revenue
that
are
that
comes
in
to
a
particular
geographic
area,
as
the
property
is
improved
and
the
value
of
the
property
increases?
M
When
the
TIF
is
finished,
all
of
those
monies
will
have
been
paid
back
and
the
increased
dollar
amounts
of
values
of
those
properties.
Then
go
back
on
the
tax
rolls.
As
we've
talked
through
this
budget
process,
we
are
having
a
tiff
and
at
the
end
of
this
year,
mr.
Desai,
if
you
please
correct
me
on
this
number,
but
what
the
total
amount
of
tax
revenue
just
coming
back
to
the
city
of
annually
now
will
be
in
excess
of
a
million
dollars
correct.
M
That's
not
counting
the
money
that
was
also
going
to
district
65
district
202,
all
the
other
taxing
jurisdictions.
So
because
of
the
success
of
the
Washington
National
TIF,
the
city
of
Evanston
will
enjoy
over
a
million
dollars
of
additional
revenue.
I
don't
want
to
say
forever,
but
certainly
for
the
long
distance
future.
And
as
you
look
at
the
success
of
the
Howard
Ridge
TIF,
the
Howard
Hart
treat
if
we
never
talk
about
Howard
Hartree,
but
that
was
classic
tax.
M
Again,
we
don't
talk
much
about
that,
but
that
Center
is
thriving
today,
because
the
City
Council
had
the
foresight
to
create
a
taxing
current
finance
district,
which
was
allowed
to
issue
debt
that
was
allowed
to
help
bring
valley
in
so
they
made
the
necessary
improvements
bought
the
center,
so
tax
increment
financing
has
been
extraordinarily
successful,
the
downtown
to
tip
I
believe
when
it
closed
a
few
years
ago
there
were
articles
written
throughout
America.
It
was
among
the
most
successful
tax
increment
financing
district,
not
only
the
state
of
Illinois
but
in
the
United
States.
M
So
for
those
to
come
to
the
podium
and
say
that
money
is
misspent
is
completely
inaccurate,
has
been
spending
exactly
under
the
statutes
of
Illinois
law
has
been
spent
exactly
as
the
City
Council
many
city
councils
over
the
past
have
done,
and
because
the
city
has
been
as
forthright
and
is
for
thinking
with
tax-free
financing
districts,
we
have
not
seen
the
blight
just
with
the
grocery
stores.
How
many
dominic's
is
that
closed?
Where
we're
left
empty?
This
City
Council
created
a
TIF.
M
O
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
mr.
city
manager,
there
was
one
speaker
who
mentioned
that
she
was
concerned
feeling
that
there
was
a
disconnect
between
the
council
and
citizens
over
the
budget,
that
it
didn't
seem
user-friendly
that
between
those
of
us
on
the
dais
and
the
audience,
could
you
just
we've
been
talking
about
almost
nothing
else
since
April,
I,
think
and
I.
Think
all
of
us
at
every
single
Ward
meeting
we've
had
have
had
budget
conversations.
O
Mr.
city
manager
could?
Could
you
just
tell
us
how
many
public
meetings
there've
been
and
but
most
importantly
personally,
where
you've
gone
in
the
community
and
engage
people
one-to-one
I
want
people
to
feel
that
they
can
come
and
get
answers
directly
without
having
to
stand
up
at
the
poet
at
the
absolutely.
M
We
had.
We
were
at
the
downtown
of
Starbucks
and
had
channel
7
reporting
from
the
outside,
because
Starbucks
wouldn't
let
them
in
you
know,
and
and
really
everywhere,
in
between
prior
to
that,
we
had
an
evening
budget
event
where
we
had
multiple
locations
spread
out
along
the
community.
Before
we
issued
the
budget
where
people
could
either
come
to
the
Civic
Center
or
come
to
I
think
it
was
three
or
four
other
sites
around
the
community.
We
did
the
priority
based
budgeting
process.
M
One
of
the
challenges
with
priority-based
budgeting,
unfortunately,
is
that
we
learned
a
lot,
but
we
also
learned
that
people
like
everything,
and
so
it
was
not
as
instructive
as
was
I,
had
hoped
it
would
be,
and
it
had
led
to
cuts
that
we've
been
talking
about
with
police
and
fire.
This
is
something
we've
been
talking
about
for
the
last
12
18
months.
I
think
we're
we're
lucky
to
see
the
same.
M
Seven
eight
people
week
in
and
week
out
our
challenges,
there's
seventy
four
thousand
nine
hundred
other
residents
of
Evanston
who
either
choose
not
to
participate
or
come
to
one
of
these
other
meetings
and
I.
Think
it's
a
challenge
that
people
want
to
come
to
the
council.
They
they
they
see
the
vitriol
that
is
sometimes
here
and
I,
think
that
that
discourages
many
of
the
74,000
folks
that
we
don't
see.
So
we
do
reach
out
and
it's
a
challenge
we
need
to
live
within
our
resources.
No
one
is
happy.
M
Certainly
none
of
your
staff
certainly
is
happy
to
propose
any
of
these
issues,
but
but
we
are
working
hard.
We
are
communicating
with
the
public,
we're
all
many.
The
staff
are
very
active
in
national
groups.
May
the
council
members
are
active
in
national
groups.
We
compare
our
processes
to
others
and
I
very
difficult
to
find
communities
doing
more.
They
do
pieces
of
what
we
do,
but
there
are
very
few
communities
to
do
all
the
various
things
that
we
do
to
reach
out
to
folks.
M
So
when
this
budget
is
over,
we'll
do
it
again
next
year
and
we'll
do
it
during
the
year
mayor
haggerty's
having
what
your
your
your
your
second
Facebook
Town
Hall
coming
up
this
week
after
wondering
the
budget
cycle,
we've
used
social
media
or
in
different
locations
around
the
community.
So
we'll
continue
to
do
that.
B
Thank
thank
you
Willie
and
Thank
You
alderman,
all
right,
let's
get
into
to
the
budget.
What
I
would
propose
for
our
discussion
today
is
I
thought.
The
end
of
the
last
meeting
went
pretty
well
because
we
had
a
structured
approach
to
go
through
it,
I'd
like
to
suggest
the
same
last
time.
If
you
guys
all
recall,
we
ended
having
gone
through
the
revenue
side
and
we
basically
took
it
by
the
large
categories
I'd
like
to
do
the
same
thing
and
go
through
the
expense
reduction
side.
The
purpose
of
this
is
that
per
the
last
meeting.
B
We
are
going
through
this
exercise,
so
everyone
at
this
up
here
at
the
Dyess
has
an
opportunity
to
you
know,
get
their
input
heard,
because
we've
asked
the
city
manager
to
come
back
to
us
at
our
next
meeting,
which
is
Monday
November
12th,
with
sort
of
a
budget
2.0,
okay,
with
a
revised
budget
for
us
to
to
ponder
and
to
some
final,
you
know,
straw
votes
on
as
we
as
we
get
to
the
end
of
this
process.
So
that's
what
I
would
I
would
suggest
that
we
follow
that
structure.
N
B
M
M
B
Could
we
can
do
that?
Let's,
let's
go
right
in
since
we
did
revenue,
let's
go
right
into
the
expense
side,
taking
it
by
the
big
big
categories.
Here
you
can
sort
of
walk
through
and
then
we'll
open
it
to
conversation
that
will
move
to
the
next
ones
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
for
the
budget
memos
and
questions
that
people
have
in
the
revenue
side.
So.
M
We'll
start
with
the
city
manager's
office,
many
of
these
we
have
already
discussed,
but
the
first
is
the
elimination
of
the
cultural
arts
coordinator.
So
that
is
a
lay
off
position.
Next
is
the
elimination
of
the
cultural
arts
administration
program
cost
you've
heard
from
some
public
speakers
concern
about
this.
Regarding
this
is
a
portion
of
this
as
the
money
that's
been
used
for
grants
that
the
cultural
arts
committee
uses
so
that
is
being
eliminated
here.
Next
is
the
elimination
of
an
administrative
assistant
and
the
city
manager's
office.
M
This
position
supports
the
assistant
city
manager
as
well
as
provides
general
support
for
our
office,
provide
staffing
just
some
boards
and
commissions.
We
would
consolidate
the
work
of
this
position
with
another
administrative
assistant
who
currently
serves
the
finance
division,
which
is
also
part
of
the
city
manager's
office,
with
that
elimination.
Next
is
an
elimination
of
accountant
position.
We've
been
talking
a
lot
about
data.
We've
been
talking
a
lot
about
using
systems.
We
feel
comfortable
with
the
extended
use
of
those
types
of
systems
that
we
can
move
forward
without
an
accountant
position.
M
Next
is
the
elimination
of
an
administrative
adjudication
aid.
This
position
has
been
vacant
to
assist
with
our
medication.
Administrative
adjudication
operation
of
the
position
has
been
vacant
for
the
balance
of
the
year,
and
so
we've
been
able
to
move
forward
with
that,
and
so
we
believe
that
we
can
continue
to
do
that.
That's
also
combined
with
a
reduction
in
the
administrative
adjudication
judges.
As
you
know,
the
judges
or
contract
employees.
M
We
expect
to
see
a
decrease
under
the
current
configuration
of
a
Ministry
of
Education
tickets
due
to
the
loss
of
cellphone
citations
next
year,
the
state
of
Illinois
will
be
the
only
jurisdiction
able
to
issue
those
tickets.
We
had
been
issuing
cell
phone
citations
as
a
municipal
ordinance
violation.
We
will
no
longer
be
able
to
do
that.
Next
is
the.
P
M
M
M
Next
is
the
elimination
of
a
Budget
and
Finance
Manager
again,
this
is
a
layoff
whose
position
it's
been
my
concern
that
we
we
need
to
have
a
position
that
is
not
quite
as
broad
as
that
to
focus
specifically
on
the
preparation
of
the
budget
and
the
monitoring
of
the
current
year
budget.
So
as
you'll
notice,
underneath
that
is
the
addition
of
a
budget
coordinator
position,
so
our
plan
would
be
to
move
forward
to
fill
the
budget
coordinator
position.
M
Have
that
position
focus
again
on
budget
preparation
and
budget
management,
and
then
the
other
duties
of
the
Budget
and
Finance
manager
would
be
assumed
by
the
chief
financial
officer
additional
funding
for
debt
collection.
We
have
talked
about
this
in
other
meetings.
We
have
recently
entered
into
a
contract
with
a
new
firm
to
do
debt
collection.
For
us.
M
This
money
will
help
us
pay
for
some
additional
staff
that
will
help
coordinate
the
work
of
the
contractor
for
debt
collection
and
then
the
last
item
in
the
city
manager's
office
is
a
transfer
of
a
thirty
thousand
dollar
cost
to
the
fire
pension
fund.
This
is
a
outside
contract
dealing
with
the
administration
of
the
fire
pension
fund
and
those
costs
would
be
shifted
from
the
general
fund
to
the
fire
pension
fund.
So
those
are
the
changes
proposed
in
the
city
manager's
office.
Thank.
B
Q
Q
Q
Q
Don't
it's
I
can't
pass
this
around
the
whole
audience,
but
our
lives
are
different
and
yet
the
same,
once
you
learn
to
read,
you
will
be
free
forever,
I
mean
it's
it
wonderful
and
then
wonderful
pictures
of
that
shows
the
variety
of
kids
in
the
school
I
mean
it's
a
beautiful
thing
and
we've
I
know
the
seventh
Ward
has
really
benefited
from
having
a
new
mural
on
its
on
the
viaduct
at
Green,
Bay,
Road,
I
I.
Just
would
like
to
speak
for
the
Arts.
R
Thank
you.
Mr.
mayor
I
also
wanted
to
add
my
voice
to
restoring
the
program
costs
for
the
arts
programs.
I've
heard
from
many
many
people
in
the
community
about
the
value
of
these
programs.
It's
frequently
seed
money
that
these
these
different
programs
can
then
use
to
obtain
other
larger
grants,
and
there
isn't
a
part
of
Evanston
that
hasn't
benefited
from
the
Arts,
and
we
really
we
are
in
a
community.
The
values
aren't
that
many
artists
come
to
practice,
their
art
and
and
I.
Think
it's
really
critically
important
that
we
spend
this
money.
R
P
I
agree
with
I
agree
with
all
of
that.
I
think
the
other,
maybe
part
that
I,
don't
want
to
say
it's
overlooked,
but
you
can't
underestimate
is
the
the
fact
that
the
way
that
the
money
is
utilized
really
goes
a
long
way
to
improving
just
the
ordinary
built
environment.
That's
around
us,
so
I
think
that
there
is
a
very,
very
significant
collateral
benefit
to
to
the
businesses,
and
you
know
DM.
P
You
know
the
walk
to
school,
the
other
viaducts,
the
viaduct
certain
you
know,
they've
historically
just
been
so
awful
and
you
know
I
agree
until
the
bridges
aren't
painted,
but
just
improving
that
that
space.
It
really
goes
a
long
way
and
I
think
that
enhances
the
the
built
environment,
a
I,
still
kind
of
stand
by
what
I
tell
you
I
want
to
talk
about
these
things?
I
don't
want
to
do
the
votes,
but
you
know
if
the
money
can
be
you
know
found.
That
would
be
something
I
feel
like
would
personally
give
you
know
something.
S
Wilson
absolutely
the
improvements
that
the
public
art
has
been
able
to
make,
particularly
in
our
ward
and
a
pretty
eyesore
of
a
viaduct,
and
also
the
opportunity
to
show
public
art
that
our
young
people
are
able
to
identify
with
in
their
communities.
I
appreciate
what's
happening
with
the
Arts
again,
we
have
so
much
to
discuss,
but
that's
something
that
I'll
be
thinking
about
as
we
make
votes
on
this
great.
N
They
tried
to
do
that
for
about
eight
years
before
that,
and
also
the
merchants
on
Howard
Street
and
the
neighbors
are
just
very
excited
about
the
prospect
of
a
performing
arts
theater
on
Howard
Street
that
adds
to
people's
livelihood
in
terms
of
employment,
but
also
they're,
going
to
be
hiring
caterers
for
every
single
performance
and
have
a
liquor
license
and
people
are
going
to.
You
know,
be
up
and
down
the
street
even
more
ads
to
Valley
parking,
so
I
mean
there's
all
sorts
of
effects
of
the
arts
and
I
think
50,000.
T
I
guess
my
hesitation
would
be
not
that
I
don't
like
art,
but
on
demand.
When
mentioned
the
art
beautifying,
the
host
city
and
I
I
can
say
that
there
was
no
art
in
the
Ninth
Ward
until
I
took
office
and
advocated
for
a
year
for
art
in
the
Ninth
Ward,
so
I
know
we
have
new
art,
council
or
arts
committee
members
and
I
think
that
they're
more
attuned
to
that.
But
if
we
are
going
to
spend
the
money
than
the
art
needs
to
be
placed
all
around
the
city
without
an
ottoman
advocating
for
a
year.
T
My
other
concern
is
if
we
do
put
back
money.
I
know
I
spoke
with
the
arts
council
chair,
you
know
they
don't
like
they
don't
have
a
staff
anymore
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
we
need
to
put
the
staff
back
there,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
mindful.
If
we
put
the
arts
money
back
in
and
they
don't
have
a
designated
staff,
then
we're
putting
that
job
onto
another.
One
of
our
staff,
you're
already
in
the
city
I,
think
polina's
working
on
it
now
and
the
other
issue
is
I.
T
Think
just
being
mindful
and
talking
to
them
there,
they're
volunteers,
like
all
of
our
other
committee
members
and
while
they're
committed
to
the
Arts
I,
don't
know
that
you
know
I
think
it's
just
worth
another
conversation
to
see
what
they
can
take
on
as
a
volunteer
committee
for
giving
them
funds
and
asking
them
to
you
know
roll
out.
Whatever
projects
do
they,
you
know
have
the
time
to
take
that
on
because
you
know
particularly
dealing
with
like
CTA
a
mural
that
has
been
a
lot
of
work
and
I.
T
Don't
know
that
a
volunteer
group
can
take
that
work
on
so
I
just
want
to
be
mindful
of
those
other
impacts
of
having
this
art
fun
and
actually
getting
the
arts
up
does
take
some
work,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
putting
that
burden
on
another
staff,
who's
already
doing
a
full-time
job.
Great.
B
S
M
B
When
you
say
that
you
mean
the
Arts
Council,
the
arts,
yes,
okay,
all
right
so
because
I
think
almond
Fleming's
point
is
is
a
good
one.
If
some
of
that
money
or
all
that
money's
restored
there
again
in
the
overall
picture
of
this
entire
budget
and
how
you
do
it
that
it
actually
can
be
managed,
you
know
effectively
and
efficiently,
you
got
it.
We
got
to
figure
that
out,
since
we
don't
have
a
cultural
art
store.
M
And
and
I
think
in
my
discussions
with
the
Hart's
council,
but
one
of
the
challenges
is
just
the
sheer
number
of
grants
for
such
a
small
amount
of
money
and
I
think
that
they
understand
that
perhaps
a
fewer
number
of
grants,
slightly
larger
will
be
more
impactful
as
for
art
organizations,
but
will
also
be
much
easier
to
manage
administratively.
So
right,
I
think
there's
a
middle
ground.
U
Ultimately,
yeah
just
to
add
to
that
I've
heard
from
two
very
active
members
in
my
ward,
that
are
a
part
of
the
Arts
Council
that
are
very
if,
if
they
have
to
do
it
without
a
coordinator,
they're
willing
to
move
forward
what
they
did
stress
the
need
for
the
additional
dollars
greatly
but
moving
good.
Thank
you
all.
M
Law
department:
this
is
the
elimination
of
one
position
and
the
creation
of
another
again.
A
downsizing
of
this
position
of
the
position
will
continue
to
support
the
Liquor
Control
Board,
but
we'll
also
have
skills
and
abilities
to
support
an
ever-growing
list
of
responsibilities
and
cases
in
the
law
department.
So
we
feel
that
this
is
a
good
change.
Okay,.
B
It
could
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
worth
just
discussing,
so
the
public
and
other
people
can
understand.
So
within
the
law
department
right
come
lawsuits
to
the
to
the
city.
It's
been
referenced
several
times
about
payouts.
You
know
that
the
city
has
made
in
the
past.
Can
you
discuss
from
a
budgeting
standpoint?
B
So
everybody
up
here
and
in
that
home
and
in
the
city
understands
how
the
city
budgets
for
situations
where
there
may
be
a
lawsuit
or
a
settlement
on
the
on
the
part
of
the
city
and
again
just
so
everybody
at
home
and
out
here
understands
when
settlements
are
made.
It's
it's
a
business
decision,
that's
being
made.
B
You
know
in
an
executive
session
by
by
the
council,
weighing
all
sorts
of
you
know,
risks
and
a
chance
of
winning
in
court
and
everything
and
and
those
aren't
easy
decisions
and
those
decisions
are
made
and
there's
a
litany
of
claims
from
workers
comp
claims
to
personnel
issues
to
to
other
things.
So
can
you
just
talk
a
little
about
how
we
go
ahead
as
a
city
and
budget
you
know
for
such
cause.
Mr.
M
Mayor
members
of
the
council,
first
and
foremost,
the
the
activity
of
these
claims
and
these
costs
come
through
a
separate
fund,
so
the
general
fund
does
not
bear
those
costs
that
is
borne
through
an
insurance
fund,
the
insurance
fund.
It
has
various
components
to
it.
First,
it
deals
with
workers
compensation.
We
have
excess
liability
associated
with
that,
but
there
is
a
portion
of
the
insurance
fund
that
deals
with
workers
compensation.
M
There
is
another
that
deals
with
liability
and
we
see
liability
in
all
shapes
and
sizes,
so
from
trips
and
Falls
to
people
running
into
or
being
run
into
pieces
of
a
city
property
to
work,
workplace
claims,
use
of
force,
claims
issues
with
the
police
department
issues
with
the
fire
department
of
those
all
run
through
the
insurance
fund.
We're
also,
as
this
has
been
mentioned
many
times,
also
dealing
with
a
claim
of
contamination
in
a
portion
of
the
community,
which
has
cost
us
a
significant
amount
of
money.
M
So
all
of
that
is
contained
within
the
insurance
fund
of
a
law
department,
Corporation
Counsel
Mason
cup
and
her
staff
work
with
mr.
Desai
and
his
staff
to
evaluate
the
liabilities.
There
are
our
funds
that
are
are
put
aside
on
paper
as
contingencies
for
potential
liabilities.
We
also
have
out
of
cash
costs
out
of
pocket,
cost
cash
costs
for
legal
representation.
We
also
have
costs
associated
with
settlements
that
are
not
covered
by
any
kind
of
third
party,
either
through
workers,
compensation
or
excess
liabilities.
So
all
that
runs
through
the
Insurance
Fund.
M
A
decision
is
made
once
mr.
decide.
Miss
Mason
cap
have
what
kind
of
looked
at
the
situation
as
to
what
the
the
cash
needs
of
the
fund
are.
There
are
transfers
made
annually
to
the
front
of
the
general
fund
to
the
insurance
fund
and
the
fund
does
carry
a
deficit
currently,
and
we
will
continue
to
monitor
that
I
think
once
we
have
a
better
sense
of
certainly
the
James
Park
litigation
that
will
give
us
a
better
path
to
recommendations
to
the
City
Council
on
the
future
issues
regarding
the
Insurance
Fund,
all.
S
M
It
is,
she
came
to
us
from
the
city
of
Chicago's
Corporation
Counsel
office.
She
spent
most
of
her
career
working
with
cases
involving
the
Chicago
Police
Department,
so
she
is
already
at
work
representing
the
city's
interests
in
similar
type
cases.
Here
we
have
dramatically
reduced
the
costs
of
outside
counsel
for
those
members
of
the
City
Council
who
have
been
here
for
any
length
of
time.
M
You
will
know
that
we
have
saved
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
on
outside
counsel,
for
what
I
would
consider
sort
of
bread-and-butter
cases
that
every
municipality
has
to
face.
So
you
know
having
litigators
on
staff
helps
us
with
that.
We
generally,
unfortunately
do
have
cases
that
require
expertise
beyond
of
the
scope
of
the
law
department.
Miss
Mason,
cut
part
of
her
job
is
to
manage
those
outside
lawyers.
M
We
report,
as
you
know,
regularly
to
the
City
Council
about
cost
associated
with
that
she's
very
mindful,
but
to
have
that
core
group
of
attorneys
on
staff,
it's
the
it's
the
least
expensive,
high
quality
legal
representation
we
can
have
as
to
is
to
have
good
lawyers
on
staff
and
I.
Think
the
mix
that
we
have
right
now
between
civil
attorneys
and
litigators
makes
sense.
P
A
bunch
of
the
points
were
covered.
I
guess.
One
of
the
things
I
just
did
want
to
stress
is
this
the
fact
that
we
we've
undertaken
to
proceed
with
this
litigation
involving
the
James,
Park
environmental
issues
and
contrary
to
a
lot
of
things
we
see
in
the
news
where
communities
ignore
potential
problems.
U
I
just
have
a
quick
question,
so
I
googled,
our
insurance
fund,
just
understand
how
much
is
money's
in
that
fund.
So
the
one
report
that
I
found
was
just
back
in
December
of
2017
line
605,
so
there
was
14
million
dollars
showing
for
the
revenue
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
then
it
shows
15
million
coming
out.
So
my
two
questions
are:
where
did
the
revenues
that
where
do
we
get
the
revenues
for
the
insurance
fund?
U
M
Mr.
Desai
can
come
up
and
give
you
the
page
numbers
of
the
budget
that
address
the
insurance
phone
at
the
fund
level.
Both
the
revenues
to
the
Insurance
Fund
largely
come
from
the
general
fund.
They
come
there.
There
are
occasions
where
cases
are
settled
in
our
benefit
and
we
are
reimbursed
from
for
for
costs
associated
with
them,
but
unfortunately,
those
are
pretty
few
and
far
between
mr.
Desai.
Do
you
want
to
speak
more
broadly.
V
V
Evening
mayor
members
of
the
City
Council-
yes,
the
Insurance
Fund
mostly
gets
the
money
through
the
transfers
from
general
fund.
But
besides
what
we
booked
there
as
a
revenue
is
the
transfer
from
other
funds
like
the
health
insurance
fund,
we
pay
roughly
over
$1,000,000
in
our
premium
cost,
but
all
other
departments
like
including
general
fund
water
sewer
fund
where
the
employees
are
charged,
they
transferred
the
money
same
thing
for
the
workers,
comp
and
general
liability
insurance.
All
the
departments
do
the
transfers.
V
So
these
are
the
transfers
which
makes
up
for
the
revenue
of
the
insurance
form
on
the
expense
side,
as
the
manager
Bob,
who
is
earlier
mentioned
that
all
the
expenses
run
through
the
insurance
one.
So
any
payments,
the
workers,
comp
claims,
general
library
claims
and
the
biggest
cost
in
the
insurance
fund
is
the
health
insurance
cost.
So
those
are
the
three
major
expenses
in
the
insurance
plan.
V
B
V
M
V
M
M
There
are
a
number
of
changes
with
some
staff
positions
in
the
lumen,
elimination
of
a
facility,
maintenance,
work
or
one
that
would
be
supporting
city
facility
maintenance,
an
elimination
of
a
junior
mechanic,
a
half-time
position.
Reduction
of
this
position
is
a
reduction
in
the
fleet
fund.
Is
that
correct
that.
M
The
illumination
of
the
fleet
operations
coordinator,
that
is
also
a
reduction
in
the
transfer
to
the
fleet
fund.
So
again,
the
fleet
fund
is
in
many
cases
like
any
of
our
other
operate
or
enterprise
funds
where
revenue
comes
to
it
from
users,
and
so
when
we
are
saying,
reduce
the
transfer,
the
general
fund
transfer
its
dollars
each
year
to
the
fleet
fund
to
support
the
operations
of
the
fleet
that
is
assigned
to
the
general
fund,
an
addition
of
a
full-time
mechanic
and
mr.
Lee
I.
M
W
W
M
W
M
Additional
funding
for
facility
and
building
maintenance
materials,
I
think
we've
talked
about
this
as
well
that
as
our
buildings
and
facilities
citywide
age,
we
find
more
and
more
needing
materials
to
help
with
those
repairs.
So
this
is
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
would
be
spent
citywide.
A
credit
monitoring,
employee
benefit.
We've
had
several
breaches
of
various
softwares
that
we
contract
use
for,
and
it
was
actually
my
decision
that
we
should
offer
this
as
an
ongoing
employee
benefit
that,
rather
than
dealing
with
each
breach
separately,
each
vendor
has
a
different
approach
to
this.
M
That,
as
an
employee
of
the
city
of
Evanston,
we
would
much
rather
say
here
is
a
service
that
will
monitor
any
breach
in
the
future
and
not
have
to
depend
on
the
third-party
coverage
as
I.
Think
at
this
point,
mr.
Lee,
what
minimum
of
two
previous
breaches
were
the
where
we
have
worked
with
the
vendor
to
provide
some
level
of
coverage?
Each
coverage
is
a
little
bit
different.
We
have
to
do
the
employees
have
to
then
sign
up
for
that
individual
coverage
which
lasts
for
varying
periods
of
time.
M
M
This
will
now
be
the
the
first
year
continuing
from
that
initial
agreement,
so
this
is
a
increased
in
our
costs.
Still
the
cost
savings
to
the
city
not
only
from
the
operation
of
her
own
email
server,
but
also
the
other
storage
capacity,
which
is,
if
not
unlimited,
nearly
unlimited
from
Google.
So
it
has
allowed
us
to
replace
several
physical
servers
and
the
associated
costs
with
that,
so
that
small
increases
well
offset
by
operational
savings
vehicle
leasing.
The
council,
through
the
party
based
budgeting
process,
I,
think
actually
pointed
out.
M
The
importance
of
looking
at
third
parties
to
lease
vehicles
with
we
have
been
in
discussions.
I
know
a
mr.
Desai
with
enterprise
rental
car,
about
opera
of
the
abilities
to
rent
from
them.
So
we
are
proposing
to
move
forward
with
some
of
the
vehicle
leasing
to
start,
which
we
anticipate
will
be
a
reduction
in
the
transfer
to
the
fleet
fund
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
for
next
year
and
then,
finally,
the
administrative
services
department
through
the
information
technology
division,
is
responsible
for
outdoor
security
cameras
and
we
are
looking
to
increase
the
budget
there.
M
There
are
a
series
of
needs
citywide
with
outdoor
security
cameras
from
the
need
to
replace
them
completely
to
replace
their
internet
connectivity.
We
have
cameras
that
range
in
age,
I
would
imagine
from
probably
12
or
15
years
and
with
with
technology
that
has
been
been
long
ago,
upgraded
and
made
cheaper,
better,
smaller
and
we
are
committed
in
order
to
have
the
cameras
be
regularly
available
with
the
reduced
maintenance
costs
to
invest
thirty,
five
thousand
dollars
more
in
cameras,
and
so
that's
the
minister
of
services,
department.
B
S
S
W
Two
years
ago
we
had
an
idea
to
expand
the
apprenticeship
program
that
currently
exists
and
public
works
to
the
fleet
division.
Certainly
there's
a
shortage
of
competent,
capable
mechanics
and
we
thought
we
could
grow.
You
know
people
into
this
field
through
the
apprenticeship
program.
Back
then
mr.
Voss
was
the
division
manager
of
the
division.
We
did
have
luck
with
the
high
school.
M
I
think
an
improved
economy
makes
the
positions
harder
because
people
who
have
skills
and
abilities
those
skills
are
highly
sought,
after
especially
here
in
the
Chicago
area.
So
I
think
that
that
perhaps
is
it
has
contributed
more
than
anything
to
the
inability
to
fill
the
position
is
that
those
those
individuals
from
the
high
school
generally
have
jobs
waiting
for
the
more
or
involves
I
know.
Mr.
M
T
Have
a
couple
questions
of
things
that
are
actually
in
the
budget
not
on
that
document.
So
can
you
explain
two
things
to
me
so
there
is,
we
went
from
last
year
have
a
no
budget
for
termination
payouts
so
this
year,
having
$100,000
for
termination
payouts
and
then
also
the
service
agreements
and
contracts
has
not
quite
double
but
has
gone
up
significantly.
So
can
you
explain
those
two
for
me
sure.
W
So
we
typically
in
the
past
have
not
budgeted
for
termination
payouts
because
the
usually
you
see
the
savings
from
the
position
being
held
vacant
while
it's
being
recruited
for
to
offset
the
termination
payouts.
Of
course,
last
year
we
had
a
number
of
layoffs,
25-ish
I
can't
remember
exactly.
We
thought
it
prudent
to
budget
for
those
terminating
payouts,
because
there
was
such
a
large
number.
Similar
thing
will
happen
this
year
with
the
same
number.
If,
if
all
the
layouts
as
proposed,
are
they
off
since
excuse
me?
W
T
W
Of
the
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
facilities
management,
that's
the
only
line,
item
and
administrative
services
that
would
have
that
high
of
a
service
agreements
and
contracts
line
item.
As
we
talked
about
earlier,
you
know
46
buildings.
What
currently
facilities
maintains
with
the
budget
that
they
have
this
year,
they
moved
some
money
around
in
between
the
line
items.
I
know
that
there's
some
line,
items
that
weren't
captured
in
that
and
so
they've
been
putting
those
service
agreements
and
contracts
and
other
line
items.
Basically,
it's
all
the
elevator
maintenance
contracts,
all
the
cleaning
contracts
I'll.
W
You
know
Matt
service,
everything
that
it
goes
into.
You
know
maintaining
the
46
buildings
I
think
it
was
just
a
movement
of
funds
from
one
line
item
to
another,
not
changing
the
whole
bottom
line,
but
those
service
agreements
and
contracts
are
currently
being
accounted
for
in
another
line
items,
and
it's
making
it
clear
that
that's
where
the
money's
being
spent
a
lot
of
the
building
automation
systems,
the
remote
monitoring
of
HVAC
systems,
all
those
things
those
contracts
would
be
accounted
for
in
that
light
on
them,
Thank
You.
U
Braithwaite
Thank
You
mr.
maryk
Eric
I
just
have
a
quick
question.
I'm
looking
at
the
budget,
I
know
we
haven't
had
any
discussions,
or
at
least
I
haven't
received
any
budget
memos
human
surfaces
is
budgeted
to
be
about
a
million
dollar
unit
this
year
correct
from
the
budget
resources.
Now
what
I
said,
Oh
human
resources
pardon
me
approximately
how
many
staff
do
we
have
in
that
department?
U
W
Looked
at
that
several
times
last
year
we
did
have
one
laugh
and
Human
Resources
brought
the
total
number
of
human
year
social
assistants
down
to
five.
We
also
have
a
safety
specialist.
That
position
was
new
four
or
five
years
ago
is
accounted
for
tremendous
savings
and
workers
compensation.
We
have
a
couple
of
staff
members
and
they're
funded
out
of
risk
management
and
insurance.
Those
are
people
who
handle
the
insurance
for
the
employees
and
also
the
staff
person
who
is
exclusively
devoted
to
workers
compensation
claims.
But
yes,
we
looked
at
outsourcing
payroll
operations.
W
We
have
what
proposed
for
next
year
would
be
a
1.5
staff
people
in
that
area.
It's
you
know.
Our
payroll
is
extremely
complicated
with
the
number
of
unions
that
we
have
in
the
different
rules
that
is
associated
with
each
one
of
those
unions,
so
that
was
not
found
to
be
cost-effective,
so
we've
certainly
evaluated
it
but
haven't
found
the
savings
there.
Thank.
B
W
O
W
M
Z
Thank
you,
city
manager,
Brown,
quits,
good
evening,
Johanna
leather,
community,
Velma,
director
reduce
planning
service
agreements
and
consulting
services.
These
are
actually
two
line
items.
One
is
twenty
five
thousand,
and
one
is
forty
thousand,
that
is,
those
are
line.
Items
that
we
haven't
spent
in
recent
years,
they've
often
been
to
match
a
grant
opportunity
with
the
RTA
for
planning
activities.
We
just
haven't
used
it
recently,
so
I'm
proposing
to
eliminate
that.
Then
we
have
the
addition
of
two
staff.
Member
one
is
to
essentially
restore
the
customer
service
representative,
which
we
eliminated
in
last
year's
budget.
Z
Currently
at
the
the
building
permit
desk,
we
have
one
customer
service
representative.
We
have
one
seasonal
person,
who's
helped
through
the
busy
season
of
the
summer,
but
we
we
have
found
that
it
really
is
critical
to
have
two
people
there,
because
when
one
person
can't
be
there
or
is
helping
a
customer,
a
line
grows
and-
and
and
that's
a
that's,
a
critical
touch
point
with
our
with
our
department.
Z
The
second
position
is
the
planner
one
position
which
is
in
our
planning
and
zoning
office,
and
would
this
would
be
a
another
intake
level
person
who
would
help
with
reviewing
building
permit
plans
for
zoning
compliance.
Basic
zoning
operations
outreach
to
individuals
who
call
and
have
had
basic
zoning
questions
that
would
again
free
at
the
staff
other
staff
to
assist
with
more
complex
zoning
and
planning
activities.
Z
Then
we
have
a
cost
for
reorganizing
the
planning
and
zoning
division
proposing
to
separate
the
zoning
currently
with
one
position
that
handles
the
management
of
the
division
and
the
Zoning
Administrator
activities.
We
would
be
separating
that
and
promoting
one.
A
current
staff
member
to
the
Zoning
Administrator
title
and
keeping
the
manager
to
focus
on
planning
activities
which
we've
heard
over
the
past
year
are
our
critical
activities
that
we
need
to
do
more
of
and
finally
downtown
Evanston
reduction.
The
city
manager
mentioned
our
very
successful
closure
of
the
washington
national
tiff.
Z
As
a
result,
downtown
Evanston
does
not
need
as
much
funding
directly
from
the
city
to
support
their
operations
and
the
elimination
of
the
storefront
modernization
program
when
I
first
got
here
in
2010.
This
was
a
very
important
program
because
we
were
coming
out
of
a
recession.
It
was
very
critical
for
businesses
that
were
particularly
opening
an
evident
to
get
that
storefront
modernization
to
improve
their
their
front
door
and
and
really
signal
that
that
lights
were
on
and
Evanson
was
open
for
business.
O
Z
Are
we
do
appointments?
You
do
a
point,
so
this
is.
This
is
for
somebody
if
you're
coming
in
and
you
have
a
small
you're,
just
dropping
off
your
application
for
building
purpose.
75%
of
our
permits
are
done
over
the
counter,
which
means
you
come
in.
You
get
the
permit,
so
that's
the
person
who's
handling
that
so
right
now
it's
it's
one
person
full-time
with
a
part-time
person
coming,
so
you
wouldn't
necessarily
make
an
appointment
like
I'm
going
to
drop
off
my
fence,
permit
it
to
a
clock
like
that.
Z
Z
Do
Gary
Gerdt
is
our
building
manager
steps
in
so
and
that's
that's
the
way
we
handle
it.
We've
had
other
staff,
Planning
and
Zoning
staff
have
seen
a
line
on
their
way
down
the
hall
and
and
have
pitched
in.
We
do
have
a
Planning
and
Zoning
staff
member
there
to
answer
planning
and
zoning
related
questions.
Okay,
but
they're
not
they're,
not
necessarily
there
to
help
cure
the
line
of
length.
Okay,.
O
Z
Administrator
he
is
our
zoning
in
a
straighter,
but
he's
also
the
division
manager,
the
the
manager
of
the
staff
in
that
group.
So
if
you
recall
we
about
5
or
6
years
ago,
the
Zoning,
Administrator
and
the
division
manager
were
separate
positions,
so
we
merged
those
in
a
previous
budget
when
those
when,
when
we
weren't
seeing
as
high
volume
and
in
challenging
cases,
so
this
would
be
separating
the
two
again.
Z
X
T
I
would
like
to
maybe
look
at
a
part-time
staff
for
how
we
can
better
utilize,
some
of
the
other
staff
and
then
my
other
question.
So
the
65,000
that's
a
reduction
just
so
I'm
clear,
you're,
not
phasing
out
those
two
things,
because
the
total
is
85,000
in
the
budget,
so
you're
just
reducing
them
by
65.
So
you
you
will
use
ten
for
consulting
intent
for
planning
service.
So,
if
I
look
in
the
budget
consultant,
75,000
and.
Z
T
Y
Y
B
Great,
thank
you.
Johanna
I,
don't
see
any
more
lights
for
discussion
here,
all
right.
Let's
move
on
to
Health
and
Human
Services.
Now
this
is
an
area
where
we
have,
as
a
council,
had
a
lot
of
conversation
and
I
know:
city
manager.
After
the
last
conversation,
you
were
going
to
go
back
and
run
some
more
numbers.
So
why
don't
you
start
off
this?
Yes,.
M
And
director
Thomas
Smith
is
not
with
us
this
evening,
she's
out
of
town,
we,
you
know,
we
have
looked
at
this
I
think
the
council
has
talked
about
this
I
think
we
settled
that
the
discussion
of
the
last
meeting
that,
in
order
to
be
a
Illinois
Health
Department,
that
the
communicable
disease
surveillance
specialist
was
a
required
position.
So
we
are
going
to
I
when
I
come
back
to
you
next
week,
with
a
revised
budget,
I
will
recommend
that
that
position
be
retained.
M
We've
I
think
talked
about
the
public
health
educator
and
the
assistant
director
positions.
It
is
my
feeling
that
those
positions
could
be
combined
into
one
position
if
they
are
not
both
to
be
eliminated.
I
think
the
the
issue
of
an
assistant
director.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
you've,
just
heard
from
the
Community
Development
Director
the
mystery
of
services
director.
M
Neither
of
those
departments
have
an
assistant
director
and
so
their
division
managers,
you
know,
are
working
division
managers
as
they
are
in
the
health
department,
but
I
think
that
if
the,
if
the
council
would
like
to
see
some
continuation
of
the
public
health
educator,
working
and
and
and
some
flexibility
for
the
department
director
to
be
more
of
a
thought
leader,
that's
not
something
that
most
of
our
department
heads
have
as
part
of
their
responsibilities.
But
that
is
something
that
director
Thomas
Smith
has
been
able
to
do.
M
Again,
we've
not
really
talked
about
this,
proposing
a
one-third
reduction
the
while
these
and
services
are
extraordinarily
important.
This
is
a
lot
of
general
fund
money
to
provide
to
private
organizations,
and
so
while
it
was
highly
ranked
in
the
priority
based
budgeting,
I
think
the
reduction
being
as
small
as
it
was
is
a
reflection
of
that
that,
in
in
difficult
budget
times,
we
are
taking
tax
dollars
and
providing
those
tax
dollars
to
private
nonprofits.
I
think
is
totally
a
community
standards
decision
for
the
City
Council.
M
The
victims
advocates
the
what
would
have
been
renamed
human
services
advocates,
we're
proposing
the
elimination
of
those
three
FTEs
one
is
currently
vacant
and
shifting
toward
a
contract
model.
If
you
recall
the
discussions
we
had
last
year,
when
these
positions
were
shifted
from
the
police
department
to
the
health
department,
we
have
worked
director,
Thomas,
Smith's
and
assistant
city
manager,
store
Lee,
especially
that
both
of
them
have
worked
diligently
to
make
that
transition
be
a
good
one.
It
has,
it
really
has
not
been.
M
You
know
the
best.
The
best
fit
and
I
think
that,
as
we've
looked
more
closely
at
contracting
opportunities
that
these
positions
being
outside
the
city
and
being
contracted
for
by
a
third
party
social
service
provider,
perhaps
as
a
better
fit
for
service
delivery.
So
while
we're
you
see
a
$258,000
decrease
there,
there
would
be
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
increase
for
a
contract.
We
have
had
initial
discussions
with
the
YWCA
who
is
prepared
to
take
this
work
on
on.
So
with
the
council's
concurrence.
M
We
would
formalize
those
discussions
finalize
those
discussions
rather
and
have
a
contract
before
you
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
then
the
vital
records
we've
also
talked
about
and
I
think
really.
This
is
this
is
a
policy
consideration
for
the
City,
Council
I,
think
there's
a
balance
between
you
know
how
the
service
is
provided.
The
services
is
is
provided
on
the
the
birth
certificate
side.
Lots
of
parents
come
to
us.
Looking
for
the
birth
certificate,
that
birth
certificate
can
be
found
in
other
places
and
I.
M
Think
it's
a
really
a
policy
decision
for
the
City
Council
to
decide
how
how
important
that
convenience
is
on
the
death
certificate
side.
There
is
a
service
that
we
do
provide
of
the
funeral
homes
here
in
Evanston
that
if
we
were
not
to
provided,
they
would
have
to
look
elsewhere
to
receive,
in
addition
to
individuals
looking
for
records
of
death
certificates.
So
really
this
one
is
as
a
policy
decision
for
the
council
and
I
think.
Otherwise
we
have
covered
all
the
other
issues
and
health
care
services.
Thank.
N
M
Again,
all
of
and
Rainey
my
understanding
is
that
they
would,
they
would
be
able
to
provide
the
services
that
are
currently
provided.
Mr.
Lee
I
know
you
and
director
Thomas
Smith
have
talked
further
about
this.
Do
you
have
more
information
to
share?
Otherwise
we
may
need
to
let
this
discussion
be
held
in
advance
until
director,
thomas
malthus,
back
okay,.
W
So
my
discussions
with
director
Thomas
Smith
she's
advised
that
some
of
the
functions
of
the
former
victim
advocates
now
Human
Services
advocates
have
already
been
distributed
to
Northwest
Casa
they're,
performing
all
the
sexual-assault
responses
at
the
various
hospitals
and
call
in
line
death.
Notifications
are
being
handled
by
the
existing
department
staff,
including
the
director
herself,
and
then
the
rest
of
the
members
of
the
human
service
staff
have
been
trained
on
that.
W
W
W
M
One
of
the
one
of
the
issues
that's
come
up
over
the
last
year
is
the
importance
of
having
staff
at
the
police
department
having
records
access
at
the
police
department
and
I.
Think
mr.
mayor
members
of
the
council
on
this
point.
Perhaps
we
could
come
back
to
you
next
week
again,
director
Thomas
Smith
booked
time
off
this
week,
not
thinking
Council
meeting,
and
so
she
will
be
back
next
week.
There.
N
W
O
W
O
AB
AB
At
the
time
we
had
six
chaplains
and
they
felt
that
they
would
be
capable
of
helping
us
with
that.
In
the
interim,
a
civil
of
our
chaplains
have
taken
very
ill
with
difficult
personal
medical
situations
that
I'm
uncomfortable
discussing
in
public
at
this
time,
but
their
ability
to
handle
that
is
being
degraded
further.
My
hope
and
using
the
chaplains
was
a
bridge
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
had
24
hour
on
call
services.
AB
There
there's
some
rudimentary
training
that
we
have
provided
to
all
staff
officers,
but
once
again
it's
those
police
officers
are
generalists.
This
isn't
that
in
their
wheelhouse
of
skillsets,
a
growing
up
in
smaller
departments,
I've
had
personal
experiences.
Doing
this
it's
extremely
difficult
to
do,
but
one
thing
that's
critical
about
doing.
This
is
the
time
in
which
you
deliver
the
information.
You
can't
wait
around
till
the
next
morning.
That's
that's,
not
gonna
get
it.
O
B
A
A
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
put
the
service
in
the
clerk's
office,
where
it
could
be
available
every
day
from
8:30
until
5:00,
until
7:00
on
Mondays
we're
open
until
7:00
on
Mondays,
as
well
as
ensuring
that
we
keep
the
revenue
that
is
generated
from
the
program.
If
it's
moved
to
the
clerk's
office,
there
would
be
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
revenue,
they'd
be
going
to
the
general
fund,
if
not
more
because
of
the
increased
accessibility,
as
well
as
the
ability
to
provide
a
free
birth.
A
B
So,
thank
you.
Clerk
read
for
that
proposal.
I
have
asked
the
city
manager
to
you
know
consider
that
proposal,
along
with
the
proposal
from
the
Health
Department
in
the
context
of
the
overall
larger
budget
that
we
have
here.
So
we're
not
going
to
take
any
straw,
straw
votes
tonight,
alderman
Braithwaite,
I'll.
U
Be
brief,
I
made
my
comments
last
week
and
I
agree.
We
probably
need
to
the
director
here
to
answer
some
additional
questions.
I
just
out
of
respect
for
some
of
the
residents
who
brought
this
to
my
attention,
I.
Just
a
couple
of
quick
comments:
the
$250,000
reduction
of
two
of
mental
health
funds
I
think
it
was
several
years
ago
we
had
significant
data
around
the
number
of
calls
to
the
police
and
fire
department
as
a
result
of
residents
in
their
mental
health
issues.
U
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
justification
for
the
partnership,
with
presence,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
in
our
budget
memo,
but
I
would
like
to
dust
off
that
data
just
to
understand
the
reason
why
we
partnered
with
present.
So
if
that's
out
there
I
had
a
very
interesting
conversation
with
the
director
of
the
YWCA
as
it
relates
to
taking
on
the
services
that
we're
looking
to
eliminate
so,
along
with
director
Thomas
rather
having
a
memo.
Maybe
we
invite
the
executive
director
city
manager,
Karen
singer
here
to
respond
to
direct
questions.
S
T
M
Elimination
of
police
commander
position.
The
position
has
been
vacant
for
a
year
with
the
Hillard
Hinds
report
to
feel
comfortable
that
we
can
make
the
adjustment
combining
the
detective
and
juvenile
commander
positions
into
one.
Also,
following
up
with
the
Hillard
Hinds
report,
we're
proposing
to
add
an
additional
civilian
community
engagement
specialists-
really
that's
probably
not
the
best
title
from
them
as
it
was
discussed
in
the
Hillard
science
report.
You
know
issues
of
data
we
do
not
handle
issues
of
police
data,
I
think
well
enough
to
can
serve
our
community.
M
We
have
one
crime
analyst,
and
that
really
is
the
extent
of
the
staff
that
we
have
there.
The
PST
officers
are
asked
to
do
a
lot
with
a
lot
of
information
and
I
think
that
this
position
can
be
helpful
to
that
I.
Think,
given
the
discussions
the
council
is
having,
and
the
report
looking
for
the
Hillier
Times
report.
Looking
for
a
larger
strategic
plan,
I
would
like
to
come
back
to
you
for
further
discussion
on
this
position
after
next
week.
M
As
we
look
to
balance
other
decisions,
the
council's
made
of
the
court
liaison
position
chief
Eddington
is
here.
I'll
ask
him
to
come
up.
This
position
has
been
vacant
for
several
months.
I
think
the
department
feels
comfortable
that
it
can
continue
to
fulfill
the
role
with
the
existing
staff.
Is
that
correct,
chief.
AB
Good
evening
again,
mr.
city
manager,
mr.
mayor
members
of
Dyess,
there
is
a
cost
to
this
function.
Currently,
in
this
fiscal
year,
we
have
expended
approximately
seventeen
thousand
dollars
in
overtime
covering
what
would
have
been
a
full-time
position
and
I
think
that
full-time
position,
salary
was
north
of
$100,000
with
benefits.
So
we
can
do
it
with
a
kind
of
round
I've
been
from
service
desk
officers,
but
it
will
be
a
significant
degradation
in
the
information
that's
readily
available
from
the
courthouse
I.
AB
M
Next,
the
police,
video
record
specialist-
if
you
recall
this,
was
an
add
to
the
budget.
Last
year
we
anticipated
a
much
larger
requests
from
the
public
for
video
from
our
police
officers.
We
have
been
able
to
handle
those
requests
with
with
existing
staff
and
so
we're
proposing
that
that
vacant
position
be
eliminated.
M
Next
is
the
elimination
of
five
police
officers
as
I,
believe
the
council
knows
this
current
year
budget
had
four
police
officer
positions
held
vacant
for
budget
reasons,
and
so
chief
Eddington,
perhaps
you
could
speak
I,
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
misinformation
about
those
positions
that
were
not
funded
in
the
budget
and
how
those
would
they
were
that
was
approved
as
part
of
the
current
year
budget
and
if
you
could
speak
to
how
you
have
deployed
with
those
vacancies
throughout
the
current
year.
Yes,.
AB
AB
Pay
for
the
the
testing,
the
polygraph,
the
psychological,
the
medical,
then
to
lay
them
off
nine
months
later,
makes
no
sense,
and
so
looking
over
the
rainbow
to
deal
with
this
situation,
I
felt
that
that
the
best
course
of
action
to
save
dollars
in
the
current
year
and
in
future
years
was
to
not
completely
staff
up
to
anticipate
these
difficult
conversations.
So
we
have
cope
with
that
in
many
ways
we
have
dealt
with
a
minimum
staffing
issue
that
currently
are
our
minimum.
AB
M
M
And
forgive
me
this
these:
this
is
the
patrol
division.
These
are
the
officers
that
work
and
respond
to
911
calls.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
sir?
So
there
are
other
police
officers
in
addition
to
that
minimum
staffing
who
are
detectives
who
are
working
at
PST
who
are
commanders?
It's
not
as
if
there
are
only
ten
police
officers
in
the
whole
community,
but
there
are
only
ten
police
officers
on
a
patrol
division
shift
that
are
patrolling
the
various
beats
responding
to
calls
for
service
in.
M
M
So
with
those
so
with
the
budget,
we're
proposing
the
elimination
of
five
police
officers
again,
I
would
like
the
opportunity
to
reflect
on
other
changes
that
the
council
makes
eliminating
five
police
officers.
We've
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
potentially
eliminating
firefighters,
eliminating
five
police
officers
is
a
very
big
deal
if
there
are
other
ways
to
achieve
budget
savings
without
those
eliminations
either
by
leaving
those
positions
vacant
or
some
number
of
those
positions
vacant
moving
forward.
That
perhaps
is
a
better
way
to
address
the
issue,
and
so
mr.
M
N
N
AB
N
AB
The
minimum
number
is
10
police
officers.
Those
10
police
officers
will
have
a
minimum
of
two
supervisors
assign
to
that
they're
on
duty
for
that
midnight
shift.
So
we'll
we'll
deploy
those
some
beats
get
two-man.
Cars
beat
7778,
get
two
main
cars,
so
you
subtract
those
numbers
down
so
you're
somewhere
between
eight
and
seven
cars,
not
counting
the
supervisors
out
and
about
but.
N
To
go
to
the
city
manager's
questions
to
you.
That
means
after
11
o'clock
at
night.
That's
all
the
police
officers.
We
have
on
duty
in
the
city
of
Evanston.
There
aren't
all
the
others
like
juveniles,
not
sitting
in
their
office.
The
you
know,
detectives
aren't
sitting
in
their
office
generally
Chief.
AB
M
AA
AB
And
once
again,
what
this
is-
and
this
is
a
very
difficult
topic-
that
I
do
every
day
and
sometimes
I
talk
too
fast
and
take
shortcuts,
and
it's
not
perfectly
clear,
but
we
have
overtime,
significantly
reduced
the
staffing
of
the
on-street
staffing
of
the
police
department.
When,
when
I
arrived
here
in
2007,
we
spent,
we
had
grants
from
the
county
that
were
approximately
$40,000
a
year
and
we
plowed
that
money
directly
into
the
summer
plan
for
overtime.
Those
grants
are
substantially
reduced.
AB
Last
year
during
these
discussions
we
eliminate
the
overtime
provision
in
the
summer
plan,
and,
and
so
we
have
had
this
steady
downgrade
in
police
resources
on
the
street,
now
sensitive
to
that
I'm.
Very
aware
of
the
erosion
of
our
response
time,
we've
added
about
30
seconds
to
emergency
calls
with
with
that
lower
level
of
staffing.
That's
something
that
myself
and
my
co-workers
at
the
command
level
are
very
focused
on
I.
Think,
on
the
other
hand,
to
put
this
in
a
context,
we're
also
very
focused
on
what
the
part
one
crime
rate
is.
AB
We
continue
to
be
successful
in
addressing
that
issue
and
also
I
have
to
say
over
the
time
I've
been
here
working
with
the
city
manager.
He
is
keenly
aware
of
stuff
happens
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
adjust
the
most
recent
adjustment
occurred
after
the
September
20th
shooting,
with
the
need
for
high-profile
patrols
in
the
areas
that
were
most
likely
areas
of
retaliatory
shooting.
N
AB
U
You
mr.
mayor
and
thank
you
chief
for
breaking
down
or
just
providing
clarification
around
the
court
liaison
position,
so
I
would
it's
interesting
to
know
that
through
overtime
that
you
can
provide
some
assistance,
so
I
guess
I
would
love
to
maybe
just
get
a
bullet-pointed
explanation,
whether
it's
in
a
memo
between
what
a
full-time
position
would
do
versus
what
the
seventeen
thousand
dollars
of
overtime
can
provide,
because
we've
discussed
this
an
alternatives
to
arrest.
So
I
just
want
to
have
something
in
writing
to
take
back
to
the
committee.
As
we
continue
to
discuss
this
III.
AB
Will
do
that
all
remember,
but
it
got
quick
but
quick
responses
with
a
full
time.
Person
I
frequently
received
calls
from
members
of
the
dais
saying
chief
I
need
to
know.
What's
happened
about
this
case?
Oh
he
goes
down
the
chain
of
command
and
somebody
calls
the
court
liaison
and
he
calls
back.
Okay,
there's
no
court
liaison
to
call
so
the
service
desk
officers
will
be
cycling.
AB
The
large
amount
of
paperwork
that
exchanged
between
the
police
department
and
the
courts,
but
that
on-scene,
hey
tell
me:
what's
happened
in
court
room,
206,
okay,
it
will
not
exist
in
Seoul.
I
would
implore
the
council
if
you
have
for
your
ward.
What
is
a
heater
case?
You're
gonna
need
to
tell
me,
or
the
next
guy
that
you're
paying
attention
to
this,
so
we
can
pre-plan
to
track
the
case
before
the
day
of
the
case
got.
U
It
that's
helpful
and
then
my
other
and
I
don't
know
I
stepped
out
for
a
moment.
The
community
engagement
specialist
I
know
we're
waiting
for
more
additional
information.
I
can
only
speak
for
the
second
Ward
I
know:
fifth,
Ward,
eighth
ward.
We
get
a
different
type
of.
We
have
a
different
type
of
need
from
our
officers
right.
Yes,
sir
and
I.
Think
I
can
tell
you
with
my
second
ward
PST.
U
He
does
a
great
job
with
the
engagement
I
I.
Don't
really
see
a
big
need
for
that
type
of
engagement
at
that
cost
at
this
time
during
the
budget.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment
and
then
the
other
question
that
I
have
I
realize
that
by
not
by
vacancies,
there's
a
potential
savings
of
you
know.
Five
hundred
and
forty-one
thousand
approximately.
What's
the
total
overtime
and
I'm
sure
there's
a
budget
memo
somewhere
this
past
year,
there.
U
AB
Will
have
some
impact
on
it,
but
what
one
of
the
issues,
especially
when
we
begin
to
delve
into
how
we're
spending
over
time
and
I,
think
the
my
the
budget
analyst
for
the
police
department.
Lugar's
has
provided
you
with
an
extremely
detailed
report
of
where
that
money
goes,
and
so,
as
you
look
at
where
we're
spending
that
money
in
in
court
time.
In
other
events,
I,
don't
know
that
you're
not
going
to
get
a
dollar
for
dollar
savings.
AB
You're
gonna
realize
some
savings
because
the
issues
of
making
the
minimum
it
will
be
less
likely
that
we'll
have
to
hire
back
because
of
a
sick
call
if
those
positions
are
filled
but
you're
not
going
to
get
a
one
for
one
dollar
savings
by
the
filling
of
those
positions.
Visa
vie
the
overtime
budget.
AB
S
Thank
you.
I
want
us
to
be
really
careful
about
reductions
in
our
police
force
as
we're
looking
at
possible
reductions
in
mental
health
and
not
yet
having
a
presentation
on
how
the
youth
and
young
adult
changes
might
be
understand
that
there
won't
be
any,
but
all
of
the
other
services
and
programs
and
staff
that
are
supporting
on
violence
reduction
measures.
I
would
hate
for
us
to
reduce
our
force
and
also
reduce
resources
and
violence
reduction,
and
then
the
great
work
that
the
police
force
has
done
in
recent
years
to
be
undone.
S
AC
T
So
if
you
can
just
kind
of
get
us
some
kind
of
graph,
that
shows
the
kind
of
cost
and
then
my
other
question
had
to
do
with
the
I
guess.
For
me,
this
ties
and
we
talked
about
the
overtime
ties
in
to
what
the
consultant
talked
about
with
kind
of
a
need
for
further
analysis.
That's
where
we
have
officers
placed,
and
so
you
know
she
talked
about
SROs
and
those
kind
of
things
and
I
realize
they're,
not
working
overtime.
Oh
they're,
overnight
shift.
T
But
if
we
get
to
the
point
of
doing,
I
would
like
us
to
do
next
year,
a
better
staff
analysis,
because
maybe
there
are
some
officers
that
you
know
we
used
to
use
for
X
Y,
&
Z
job,
but
now
we
don't
really
need
them
there.
We
can
maybe
move
them
around.
Do
some
other
things
so
that
we,
you
know
just
being
more
efficient
and
where
we
have
officers
place
so
I
really
from
that
report.
AB
Alderman
you,
let
me
do
the
first
question.
First,
I'll
be
relatively
easy.
The
number
of
calls
on
the
midnight
shift
is
something
that
we
can
prepare
in
relatively
short
order.
One
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
mention
about
that
is
sometimes
the
cup
LexA
T
of
those
calls
require
significant
numbers
of
people
they
just
did
they
do,
and
and
I
will
try
to
give
some
breakdown
of
the
complexity
of
those
calls,
rather
than
just
a
number.
AB
Also
I'd
like
to
comment
on
the
hill
Arun
Hines
report
regarding
SROs
and
once
again
it
I
would
like
to
convey
to
the
council
that
the
Hillard
in
Hines
report
is
a
snapshot
in
time.
Nothing,
that's
in
that
report
is
incorrect.
It
just
not
be
maybe
not
be
accurate.
Today,
as
the
day
the
report
was,
and,
for
instance,
they
talked
about
there's
no
sergeant
in
PST
that
that's
been
changed.
AB
Since
the
report
was
author,
they
talked
about,
we
haven't
utilized
the
RMS
system
and
investigations
that's
being
addressed,
and
so
and
as
we
look
at
that
moving
target
and
interpret
things,
one
of
the
issues
about
SR
rolls
that
they
brought
up
was
they're,
saying
basically
can't
use
the
SR
rolls
in
patrol
during
the
summer
months.
We
have
done
that
in
the
past.
We
did
not
do
it
this
last
summer,
because
those
officers
weren't
did
not
have
body
worn
cameras.
AB
Yet
the
commitment
I
made
to
the
community
and
to
the
council
was
that
series
police
interactions
would
be
on
body
cameras
starting
February
of
this
year
and
and
and
so
to
put
officers
out
on
patrol
without
body.
Cameras
seemed
to
me
to
be
particularly
in
astute,
especially
with
the
the
community
expected
that
serious
police
interactions
would
be
recorded
on
body
camera
that
will
be
different
next
summer.
AD
M
The
winter
months,
starting
mister,
stomach
what
December
1
we
have
an
overnight
crew
that
works
from
what
December
to
April
and
that's
how
big
a
crew
six.
So
from
December
to
April.
We
have
six
Public
Works
staff
members,
the
firefighters,
the
police
officers
that
I
think
is,
and
the
water
plant
don't
forget
about
the
water
plant.
So
there's
there's
one
two
water
plant
operators
there
overnight.
So
that
is
the
contingent
of
our
evening:
oh
and
civilians
and
police
and
fire.
AD
M
You
seven
days
a
week,
24
hours
a
day,
all
right.
Mr.
Merz,
the
council.
If
we
go
back
to
the
list
chief,
don't
go
away:
animal
shelter
operating
expenses,
we
have
an
agreement
with
the
Evanston
Animal
Shelter
Association
regarding
certain
expenses
that
we
pay
for
the
costs
of
those
have
increased.
Over
the
last
couple
of
years,
the
department
has
paid
for
some
of
those
increases
out
of
other
funds,
they're
asking
for
their
bout
of
their
budget
to
be
balanced
to
reflect
the
additional
cost.
So
this
is
food.
M
The
kitty,
litter
consumables,
chief
Eddington,
is
that
sound
about
right
to
you,
I
think.
There's
a
budget
memo
whistles
like
anonymous
as
well
increase
in
DUI
expenses.
We
have
regularly
received
grants
from
the
state
of
Illinois
around
holiday
periods
for
DUI.
Again,
the
crack
budget
team
at
the
police
department
has
discovered
that
the
costs
associated
with
those
enforcement
actions
exceed
sometimes
the
grants
expense.
M
Then
we
move
on
to
overtime
for
police
during
Northwestern,
University,
athletic
events
and
I.
Think
a
previous
council
meeting
we
described
with
the
general
practice
over
many
years
that
the
city
paid
for
overtime
costs
for
football,
for
police
officers
outside
of
the
immediate
Ryan
field
property,
and
so
along
Central,
Street,
both
east
and
west.
The
approximate
cost
of
that
overtime
is
$12,000
per
game
or
eighty
four
thousand
dollars
for
the
7
scheduled
home
football
games
next
calendar
year.
M
Next,
the
increase
in
the
police
overtime
budget,
as
the
chief
has
said,
a
strategy
that
we
have
used
over
time
with
the
reduction
of
budgeted
costs
associated
with
the
summer
plan,
also
associated
with
other
reductions
in
the
police
budget
over
the
last
several
years
is
to
use
over
time.
We
need
to
look
and
calibrate
the
overtime
budget
with
actual
spending.
So,
for
the
last
couple
of
years,
we
have
made
adjustments
in
the
police
departments,
overtime
budget
to
more
accurately
reflect
the
spending
there
and
so
we're
proposing
$100,000
increase
to
do
that
for
the
coming
year.
M
AB
M
So,
mr.
mayor,
those
are
the
the
issues
with
police,
as
I've
indicated,
we'll
come
back
and
look
at
the
five
officers,
the
the
community
engagement
specialist,
based
on
the
discussions
we've
had
here
also,
unless
there's
any
other
questions
for
chief
Eddington
I'll.
Thank
him
again.
Thank
you.
Last
time,
congratulations
rich!
Thank
you!
Thank
You,
chief
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
fire
department.
A
lot
of
discussion
regarding
the
station
foreclosure
I'll
ask
chief
Scott
to
come
up,
but
let
me
just
make
some
initial
comments.
M
We
have
a
large
budget
deficit
to
cover
and
to
not
look
at
the
costs
associated
with
our
two
largest
expenses,
police
and
fire
I
believed
was
not
an
appropriate
exercise
and
so
I
went
to
both
chief
Addington
and
chief
Scott
and
asked
them
to
look
at
options.
For
me,
no
chief
of
police,
no
fire
chief,
is
ever
going
to
want
to
come
before
City
Council
and
advocate
for
less
resources.
M
There
are
many
many
reasons,
of
course,
for
that,
but
no
chief,
no
department
head
as
you've
heard
from
other
department
heads
are
ever
going
to
come
in
a
vaque.
However,
we
have
a
budget
deficit.
We
have
to
address
so
I
asked
Chief
Scott
to
look
at
the
closure
of
a
fire
station.
We
looked
at
station
four.
We
looked
at
the
two
stations
on
Central
Street.
Ultimately,
it
was
my
decision
to
put
forward
the
recommendation
for
station
four
I
do
not
want
to
endanger
the
residents
of
Evanston
I.
Do
not
want
to.
M
You
know
not
provide
excellent
fire
service,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
the
council
and
the
community
to
recognize
the
costs
associated
with
providing
that
service.
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
look
at
options,
and
certainly
when
you're
looking
at
the
deployment
of
fire
resources,
the
closure
of
a
station
is
not
an
inappropriate
option
to
look
at
so
with
that.
M
I
know
that
the
chief
Scott
has
prepared
a
very
complete
budget
memo
that
talks
about
the
impacts
and
missiles
lake,
and
perhaps
we
can
pull
up
the
Chiefs
budget
memo
because
I
think
there
are
maps
that
show
the
impact
on
response
time
for
a
closed
fire
station
for
I
think
the
chief
was
also
very
thoughtful
in
putting
together
other
information,
including
a
very
good
table
of
regarding
the
costs
associated
with
providing
fire
service.
In
other
communities,
so
mr.
B
AC
At
that
time,
I
had
some
options
for
your
consideration,
including
the
elimination
of
our
cubanÃa
engagement
programs,
which
you
see
didn't
make
it
to
the
budget.
Worksheet
I
also
talked
about
holding
some
of
our
full-time
equivalent
or
position
vacancies
for
2019,
and
some
savings
and
I
was
also
directed
to
look
at
ways
in
reducing
over
time,
which,
for
our
department,
would
mean
somehow
reducing
our
minimum
staffing
model
by
either
one
two
or
three
individuals.
AC
So,
in
addition,
in
August,
the
city
manager
then
directed
me
to
look
at
costing
out
the
closure
of
fire
station
for
fire
station.
Four
was
selected
because
in
his
talks
with
the
budget
team
and
facilities,
there
was
some
capital
improvements
that
we're
concerning
to
him,
so
that
1.2
million
dollar
figure
is
directly
related
to
the
elimination
of
nine
positions.
Three
members
of
Engine
24
across
three
shifts
is
nine
and
that's
where
you
get
the
1.2
million.
AC
What
I
provided
to
you
in
October
11th
was
a
detailed
memo
or
I
believed
to
be
the
impacts
of
such
a
closure
for
the
station.
I
first
wanted
to
kind
of
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
our
current
staffing
model,
and
you
can
see
that
there
up
on
the
screen.
Our
current
model
is
26
is
their
minimum
staffing
each
and
every
day,
24
hours
a
day.
That
is
five
engine
companies,
two
truck
companies,
two
ambulances
in
a
shift
chief
supervisor.
AC
They
are
in
place
to
make
sure
we
have
our
full
Manning
across
all
five
stations
which
are
strategically
placed
throughout
the
city.
Now
we've
had
this
model
in
place
for
well
over
35
years,
I
deem
it
to
be
highly
effective,
highly
efficient,
highly
reliable
and
highly
resilient.
The
types
of
emergencies
that
we
have
to
deal
with
over
10,000
times
a
year,
you've
seen
over
that
period
of
35
years
and
increase
in
our
call
volume
of
51
percent,
so
our
35
year
average
is
a
2%
per
year
increase
and
our
call
volume.
AC
In
fact,
conservatively
45%
of
our
calls
occur
at
other
times
at
other
calls
within
the
city.
Now,
how
do
we
determine
what
good
staffing
and
what
good
response
time
is
for
many
years?
This
was
left
up
to
conjecture
and
opinion
by
fire
chiefs,
and
so
approximately
10
years
ago,
the
NFPA
in
collaboration
with
NIST
did
some
very
empirical
based
research
and
they
came
up
with
standard
1710
and
so
in
the
memo
I've
kind
of
tried
to
lay
out
in
broad
strokes.
AC
AC
You'll
see
here
what
1710
that,
basically,
they
try
to
break
down
hazard
types
into
low,
medium
and
high
a
low
hazard
type
would
be
a
single-family
home
less
than
two
thousand
square
feet.
You
can
see
with
that
particular
type
of
hazard.
We
do
well,
we
can
handle
it
insolent
quite
easily,
once
we
get
into
the
medium
hazard
type,
which
is,
for
example,
an
apartment
building,
a
commercial
structure
or
a
very
large
single-family
home.
AC
High
hazards
are
going
to
be
target
hazards
high-rises
and
you
can
see
we
operate
at
a
significant
deficit
in
those
types
of
buildings
at
negative
17
now
in
the
chart,
I
provided
towards
the
end
of
the
memo,
I'm,
not
sure
if
we
can
go
there
briefly.
I
also
wanted
to
mention,
as
we
compared
to
other
comparable
communities
with
staffing
that
we
are
right
in
line
if
it's
always
on
there.
Thank
you.
AC
It's
one
of
the
attachments,
but
that's
okay.
We
can
continue
on,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
our
staffing
relative
to
other
comparable
communities
is
right
in
line,
and
that
was
the
importance
of
up
there.
We
go
so
daily.
Staffing
for
comparable
communities
is
an
average
of
33.
You
can
see.
Evanston
is
below
that
at
26
each
and
every
day.
AC
Now
the
closer
station
four
to
me
has
two
main
impacts.
It's
going
to
have
an
increase
in
overall
response
times
for
the
community,
but
in
particular
it
would
be
an
increase
in
response
times
for
the
affected
district
of
engine
24,
which,
from
the
data
I
provided
to
you
in
the
response
time,
maps
would
be
a
minimum
of
50%
increase.
So
it'd
be
one
to
two
minute
increase
in
response
times
to
that
affected
area,
but
because
of
something
I'm
calling
the
Cascade
effect,
you
would
see
an
increase,
a
response
times
throughout
the
city.
AC
I
also
wanted
to
mention,
too
that
in
2017
we
held
51%
of
our
structure,
fires
to
the
room
of
origin.
Also,
when
you
have
fires
that
extend
beyond
the
room
of
origin
is
also
increased
risk
not
only
to
civilians,
but
it
places
firefighters,
increased
risk
as
well
and
the
EMS
side.
This
is
also
critically
important,
so,
as
I
mentioned
in
in
some
previous
meetings.
AC
If,
for
example,
one
of
us
was
to
go
down
a
cardiac
arrest
and
we
didn't
have
the
benefit
of
emergency
medical
services,
our
chance
of
survival
would
be
only
about
three
or
four
percent,
but
if
I
can
get
EMS
to
you
with
quality
training
with
paramedics
with
the
right
equipment
and
medications
in
defibrillation,
I
can
increase
that
up
to
forty
four
percent.
That's
quite
significant
that
survivability
decreases
by
10%
for
every
additional
minute
that
there's
a
delay
with
pride.
I
can
tell
you
because
of
our
great
response
times
our
great
training
and
equipment.
AC
Our
seyh
rate
is
over
47%.
So
that's
an
important
factor
to
police.
Consider
also
when
we
talk
about
the
evaluation
I
mentioned
is
the
staffing
in
general
and
the
importance
of
having
the
right
amount
of
people
for
each
major
incident
in
the
city
and
I
really
can't
predict
when
those
are
going
to
be
so,
for
example,
why
do
we
have
26
people
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning?
That's
because
we
can
never
predict
when
that
fire
is
going
to
occur.
AC
AC
Thank
you,
so
you,
hu,
are
you
to
our
utilization.
Is
a
great
workload
indicator?
It
kind
of
give
some
empirical
backing
to
just
how
busy
we
are.
So
if
someone
tells
you
yeah
we're
a
real
busy
fire
department,
how
do
you
quantify
that
in
UHU?
Is
an
industry
standard
that
helps
us
kind
of
understand
that
and
you
can
see
and
I've
kind
of
had
it
highlighted
in
red?
We
have
five
companies
that
are
already
exceeded.
AC
The
UHU
stay
out
of
0.20,
which
means
that
there
aren't
available
at
least
20%
of
their
time
over
a
course
of
a
year.
And
my
point
to
bringing
this
forward
is
that
interdependence
we
have
at
all
the
fire
stations
working
together
to
be
again
a
reliable,
efficient
and
resilient
system.
They
can
handle
all
hazards
if
we
close
engine,
24
or
another
company,
you
will
see
those
UAH
numbers
increase
and
again
it
would
reduce
our
ability
to
handle
major
emergencies.
AC
Lastly,
I
put
in
a
little
piece
that
again
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
get
the
financer
breakdown,
but
I'm
certainly
willing
to
look
into
it
for
you,
but
we
just
recently
awarded
our
ISIL
class.
One
rating
which
places
us
in
the
top
point
zero
zero
percent
of
all
fire
departments
in
the
United
States.
That's
quite
an
achievement
and
part
of
that
achievement
is
directly
related
to
the
kind
of
response
model.
We're
able
to
bring
to
the
city
of
Evanston.
AC
The
closure
of
engine
24
would
very
likely
place
that
ISIL
rating
in
jeopardy,
and
we
would
most
likely
see
a
degrade
of
our
rating
to
a
two
or
a
three
and
we'd
have
to
look
into
the
impact
it
would
have
on
residences
and
businesses
with
respect
to
insurance
ratings.
So
hopefully
the
memo
made
sense.
I
know:
I
had
attacked
a
lot
of
information
in
a
short
amount
of
space,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
about
the
impact
or
effect.
B
B
How
many
of
the
the
10,000
plus
calls
are
fires?
How
many
are
major
fires
if
you
differentiate
different
eight,
what
is
driving
that
significant
increase
in
calls
or
other
communities
seeing
such
an
increase?
What
actions
are
we
taking
if
there
are
any,
we
can
take
to
actually
reduce
the
number
of
calls
so.
AC
Let
me
answer
that
last
piece:
first,
in
terms
of
other
communities,
are
also
seeing
some
of
the
same
increases
that
we
are
seeing
it's
very
difficult
to
kind
of
pinpoint
exactly
what
those
causes
are
anecdotally.
I
can
probably
tell
you
that
it's
going
to
be
tied
to
increases
in
terms
of
the
aging
population
of
any
community.
AC
Now,
in
today's
fire
service
were
an
all-hazards
department
that
answers
a
myriad
of
different
calls
for
every
type
of
rescue,
for
example,
October
9th
we
had
1
iron
worker
killed
and
one
severely
trapped
because
of
falling
iron
and
in
a
construction
site
who
was
called
the
Evanston
fire
department
and
basically
the
full
deployment
of
our
folks
on
duty,
we're
there
to
rescue
the
1
iron
worker
a
fortunately
we
couldn't
save
the
other
one.
So
that
would
be
one
piece.
AC
It's
important
to
remember:
you
are
euro,
correct
that
less
than
1%
of
the
10,000
calls
are
major
structure.
Fires
we
handle
about
90
fires
any
given
the
earth
mr.
mayor,
but
I
would
always
caution
the
council
and
looking
at
a
fire
department
as
a
production
type
model,
what
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at
it
as
its
again,
its
resiliency
very
much
like
the
human
body,
where,
if
I
was
to
say
to
someone
in
the
council,
you
know
you
really
haven't
been
sick
much
in
the
last
year.
AC
Let's
cut
the
number
of
white
blood
cells,
you
have
right
when
you
need
the
white
blood
cells,
they
have
to
be
there,
they
have
to
be
there
with
the
adequate
levels
and
the
fire
department
is
no
different.
That's
certainly
the
number
of
fires
we
go
to.
Isn't
a
lot.
Compare
the
overall
calls
we
respond
to,
but
when
those
fires
occur,
we
need
the
requisite
amount
of
people,
and
that's
where
that
NFPA
17
standard
is
so
important
because
it
kind
of
gives
you
the
empirical
base
for
what
that
number
should
be.
AC
Just
beyond
me
telling
you
what
I
think
it
should
be.
What
we're
doing
to
help
reduce
the
call
volume,
as
I
mentioned
before
and
I,
think
my
June
presentation.
One
thing
we're
really
looking
at
is
mobile,
integrated
health
care,
so
we're
developing
a
partnership
right
now
with
president
st.
Francis,
where
we're
going
to
have
a
more
patient-centered
approach
to
EMS,
where
we'll
have
our
off-duty
firefighters.
AC
Look
at
some
of
those
folks
in
the
community
that
have
an
over-reliance,
an
EMS
that
tax
our
resources
with
EMS
and
see
if
we
can
get
a
better
care
in
a
more
patient-centered
way
that
hopefully
they'll
win,
we'll
get
better
outcomes.
Coughs
savings
for
the
hospital,
as
well
as
cost
savings
for
the
city
of
Evanston,
I,.
B
O
You
chief
you're,
an
eloquent
spokesman
for
the
fire
department
and
I,
really
appreciate
that.
So
when
I
think
about
priority-based
budgeting
I
think
you
know
what
are
the
city's
needs
and
you
start
at
the
top
and
you
go
down
and
the
top
to
me
our
police
and
fire
in
in
my
ward,
there's
a
high
percentage
of
elderly.
There
are
bigger
and
bigger
buildings
being
built.
O
There
are
a
number
of
things
that
are
on
your
charts
as
we're
going
to
require
a
different
level
of
service,
and
we
see
that
in
the
data
that
you've
provided
I
just
can't
I
can't
support
the
cuts
to
the
fire
department.
I
can't
support
the
cuts
to
the
police
department
either
I
mean
because
to
me
the
community
safety
part
of
that
is
what
we
are
here
to
provide
to
our
residents.
It's
what
they
rely
on
and
they're
there
safety
is
so
important.
O
It's
really
helpful
for
me
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
in
terms
of,
for
example,
the
outreach
in
your
des
presence
not
using
our
firefighters
as
basically
their
first
health
care
choice,
but
to
really
get
them
the
help
that
that
they
need
so
I
I'm
fully.
Supportive
of
we
just
have
to
find
a
way
to
deal
with
the
budget,
but
it
shouldn't
be
on
the
backs
of
of
police
and
fire
I.
Just
I
just
don't
see
it
makes
any
sense.
AC
B
B
AC
AC
U
Is
the
understanding
if
the
station
closes
just
giving
our
numbers
that
we
would
lose
nine
escribe?
So
that's
where
they're
calculating
the
one
point?
Yes
or
two,
and
just
given
all
the
information
that
you
just
shared
the
fact
that
every
year
we
increase
in
our
numbers
of
calls
this
year,
we're
looking
to
add
four
large
developments
to
two
of
which
are
senior
buildings,
that
we
would
still
decrease
our
fire
by
nine.
So
is
that
a
decrease
or
just
not
fill
the
vacancies?
I!
Guess
that's!
What
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
man
there'd.
AC
Be
a
loss
of
full-time
equivalent
positions
now
fortune
saying
fortunately,
but
it
currently,
we
have
eight
vacancies.
So
it's
going
to
result
in
the
elimination
of
eight
vacancies
with
the
layoffs
of
one
current
staffed,
FTE,
but
I
think
the
best
way
to
look
at
it,
as
is
with
the
closure
of
station
24.
Engine
24,
which
is
staffed
by
three
firefighters
and
paramedics.
Each
day
would
go
away
and
that's
where
that
number
nine
comes
from
three
firefighters
per
day
across
three
shifts,
because
there's
we
work
24.
AC
U
It's
just
the
statements
so
I'm
still
I,
guess:
I'm
gonna
share
in
an
alderman,
Fisk
and
I've
heard
from
all
of
my
residents.
There's
no
one.
That's
supporting
I
would
also
include
residents
from
the
southeast
corner
of
town,
so
I'm,
assuming
that's
the
9th
Ward
in
the
eighth
ward,
I've
also
heard
from
the
school
district,
so
I
realized
the
constraints
of
the
budget,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
U
Voicing
my
concerns
that
none
of
the
residents
support
it
and,
to
be
honest,
based
on
our
budget
meeting,
there
were
some
residents
it
and
I
continue
to
get.
Emails
are
even
willing
to
look
at
some
form
of
tax
increase
as
long
as
they
understand
that
those
dollars
are
going
directly
to
our
fire
and
police.
Okay.
R
Thank
you,
chief
I,
really
appreciate
all
of
this
data
that
you
you
gave
us.
This
has
been
really
helpful,
I've
gone
over
it
a
number
of
times.
Looking
at
it.
It's
really
given
me
a
different
view
of
the
fire
department
and
the
operations
and
the
staffing
and
I
think
like
everyone
else
in
Evanston,
we
really
appreciate
what
superb
fire
service
we
have
and
like
everyone
else
up
here,
I
don't
want
to
make
any
cuts
at
all
to
anything
and
so
I
have
you
know:
I've
had
fire
a
couple.
R
R
R
R
Calls
and
the
say
that
okay,
so,
like
I,
I
support
this
looking
at
you
know
how
do
we
stop
someone
from
needing
a
fire?
You
know
an
ambulance
unless
it's
what
a
fire,
the
firefighters,
unless
it's
actually
really
what
firefighters
and
our
EMS
staff
are
for.
So
is
we've
all
heard.
Occasionally
people
use
well
more
often
than
not
that
they
call
you
when,
because
they
don't
have
regular
medical
care,
and
so
you
all
are-
and
you
and
I
have
talked
about
this
drilling
down
into
your
numbers-
to
see
who
are
the
one?
R
Who
are
people
who
are
using
the
service
over
and
over
again,
and
how
would
we
better
provide
them
with
service,
so
they
they
don't
have
to
call
you
when
the
blood
pressure
gets
out
of
control
or
diabetic
issues
or
all
the
variety
of
issues
that
that
you're
getting
these
frequent
calls
for
so
I.
Think
in
the
you
know,
if
not
now,
but
over
the
next
year,
I
think
it
would
be
really
interesting
for
the
fire
department
somehow
to
drill
down
into
your
calls.
R
If
you
already
have
and
to
see
you
know
what
what
are
you
know,
what
who's
calling
and
for
what
and
and
how
frequently
and
and
then
what
do
you
do
to
try
it?
What
are
some
things
that
you
could
we
could
do
to
prevent
to
stop
the
call
from
the
first
place
and
so
I,
you
know
I
I,
that's
something.
I
would
like
to
see
coming
up
in
the
future
for
next
year,
but
I.
R
One
of
the
questions
I
did
have
was
that,
just
like
our
police
department
has
different
deployment
numbers
for
different
times
a
day
when
you
know
we
have
this
chart
that
shows
the
hours
average
hourly
call
volume
and
it
definitely
drops
at
night
so
from
like
after
8:00
p.m.
to
about
7:30
or
so
in
the
morning,
it's
at
a
much
lower
level
than
it
is
the
rest
of
the
day
and
I
know.
R
We
were
saying
that
you
have
the
same
level
of
staffing
for
24
hours
a
day,
and
so
one
of
the
questions
I
would
have
is:
is
it
possible
to
still
provide
the
fast
response
times
for
the
vast
majority
of
time?
But
just
as
we
have,
the
police
department
provide,
has
more
staffing
at
different
shifts
of
the
day,
just
like
in
an
emergency
room
has
different
staffing
because
they
know
when
their
peak
times
are.
R
This
is
if
you
were
redrawing
the
map
of
Evanston
and-
and
this
is
something
very
long-term
if
you
were
redrawing
and
you
were
deciding
okay,
where
are
the
optimal
places
to
put
fire
stations
sometime
in
the
next
year,
I'd
like
to
see
what
that
is
because
I
know
we
have
fire
stations
and
they,
you
know
they're
there
for
historic
reasons,
because
of
different
population
centers
and
in
various
other
needs.
Probably
what
that
there
was
land
available.
You
know
and
it
would
be
I
think
looking
ahead.
R
R
No,
so
that's
not
it
this
year,
but
that's
because
of
all
of
your
data,
that's
something
that
that
I
look
at
and
then
you
know
looking
at
the
staffing
and
budget
comparison
which
I
think
is
really
interesting
between
these
other
communities,
no
I
look
at
like
Arlington,
Heights
I,
don't
know
what
Oak
Park
is
doing
and
Skokie,
and
so
in
terms
of
call
volume.
You're
right.
All
of
these
communities
have
have
a
higher
call
volume.
I
mean
it's.
R
Could
you
not
tonight,
but
I'd
like
you
to
give
me,
give
me,
give
us
more
information
about
how
how
those
numbers
break
down,
because
Arlington
Heights
has
a
call
volume
of
six
seven
calls
more
seven
calls
less
than
we
do
and
population
almost
the
same.
25
daily
firefighters
and
they
spend
19
million
dollars
a
year
on
their
fire,
firefighters
and
we
spend
24.2
so
that
I
just
like
to
understand
how
the
you
know.
Looking
at
these
other
communities,
how
it
all
works.
So
I
really
appreciate
all
of
the
information
that
you
provided.
R
T
T
The
I've
had
some
questions
about
the
rating
and
how
it
will
impact
insurance
and
I've
talked
to
a
couple
agents
and
gotten
some
non-committal
answer.
So
if
you
find
that
out,
can
you
please
share
that
in
terms
of
how
it
might
impact
homeowners,
insurance
and
and
such
I've
been
told
that
people's
homeowners
insurance
will
go
up
if
we,
if
our
rating
goes
down,
but
I
can't
quite
get
an
answer
for
that?
I'm.
AC
Having
difficulty
too
and
I've
tried
as
well
I'm
being
spoken
with
ISIL
directly
I
think
isil's
response
is
going
to
be.
Is
it
really
depends
on
the
individual
homeowner
on
the
on
the
residential
side,
but
on
the
commercial
side,
it's
where
you'll
have
the
biggest
impact
with
respect
to
any
ISO
downgrade.
Okay,.
T
And
then
I
know
that
there's
a
conversation
about
purchasing
a
new
fire
truck
okay,
and
so
can
you
tell
me
what
kind
of
the
estimated
cost
is
there
and
then
also
I
guess
my
question
is:
do
we
need
to
maybe,
instead
of
getting
a
new
fire
truck,
think
about
getting
a
new
ambulance?
Being
that
we
have?
You
know,
sixty-five
percent
of
our
calls
are
EMS
calls
and
we
only
have
two
ambulance
correct.
We.
AC
Have
two
frontline
ambulances
with
a
third:
that's
part
of
a
jump,
a
jump
relationship
with
engine
23.
So
what
I
mean
by
a
jump
or
jump
company?
Is
that
when
that
third
ambulance
is
called
into
service,
I
have
to
place
engine
23
out
of
service
which
reduces
the
fire
suppression
capability
to
the
northeast
side
of
Evanston.
We
are
getting
delivery
of
a
new
ambulance
in
the
next
few
weeks,
so
we'll
be
replacing
one
of
our
older
evidences
with
this
newer
model.
So.
P
Wilson
yeah,
thank
you
and
the
vast
majority
of
what
I
was
going
to
talk
about
sorry
been
covered.
First
of
all,
I'll
mention
I
appreciate
you
diplomatically,
pointing
out
why
some
of
the
ideas
I
we're
not
good
ideas,
so
you
were
kind
in
that,
but
it
basically
just
at
the
moment
you're
making
do
with
the
eight
vacancies
right.
It's
not
an
ideal
situation,
but
that's
kind
of
where
you're
at
as
far
as
the
department
I.
AC
Would
say
that
yeah
it's
it's
eight
vacancies
is
a
lot
to
keep
open
right.
We've
been
working
over
the
last
couple
fiscal
years
with
four
vacancies,
and
we've
been
able
to
adequately
maintain
service
to
the
community
and
appreciate
some
real
savings
by
that
model
our
overtime
does
increase,
but
even
when
you
account
for
the
overtime
savings
is,
is
over
$300,000
a
year
by
holding
those
vacancies.
Okay,.
P
AC
P
So
I
do
I,
don't
want
to
ever
put
ourselves
in
a
situation
where
you
know
26
years
down
the
road
when
maybe
I'm,
not
a
council
member.
Please
God,
don't
let
me
be
a
council
member
in
26
years,
but
the
I
want
that
to
happen.
I
want
down
with
the
obligations
to
be
met,
so
that's
important,
so
I
think
there's
probably
just
a
general
inclination
to
do
what
we
can
to
keep
the
station.
P
You
know
open,
but
I
think
my
inclination
is
also
to
try
to
you
know,
keep
these
vacancies
open,
but
also
to
look
for
these
other
types
of
solutions,
whether
it
there
are
possible.
You
know,
labor
cost
savings,
whatever
that
might
look
like
or
if
there
are
ways
to
bring
the
call
volumes
down.
I
realize
that's
outside
of
what
you're
doing,
but
I
don't
know.
If
there
are
other
ways
that
collectively
we
can
pursue
policies,
they
will
take
some
of
it
off
the
plate.
P
Alderman
Fleming
and
I
had
conversations
before
about
that
whole
additional
ambulance.
It's
a
CMS
call,
so
yeah
I,
don't
know
if
the
one
you're
replacing
is
any
good.
Keep
it
in
the
garage
or
something
but
but
but
I
am
looking
at
that,
possibly
for
a
long
time,
because
I
am
Buhl,
insis
croute,
the
crews,
two
engines,
three,
isn't
it
right?
That's.
AC
Correct
but
I
would
caution
the
council
and
considering
that
particular
change
to
our
response
model,
that
what
you
lose
out
is
that
suppression
capability,
one
of
the
neat
things
about
our
model,
which
makes
it
so
again
efficient
and
resilient,
is
the
fact
that
not
only
do
we
have
dual
trained
firefighters
and
paramedics,
but
our
equipment
is
dual
capable
right.
So
when
g24
in
effect,
is
an
ALS
equipped
vehicle
that
provides
EMS
while
the
same
time
having
that
suppression
ability
as
well
right.
P
And
but
again
long
term
not
to
make
those
kinds
of
changes
now
and
particularly
not
under
budget
stress,
so
I
think
this
requires
a
you
know
carefully
thought
through
consideration.
So
maybe
if
there
was
the
ambulance
vehicle
available
at
another
station,
24
responds
they
need
the
Amy
wants
to
transport,
it
can
come,
but
the
life-saving
team
is
there
in
shorter
order
than
otherwise
would
be
available.
So
looking
at
some
of
those
things
for
a
long
term
basis.
N
I
I've
always
thought
the
goal
of
the
city
of
Evanston.
One
of
our
goals
should
be,
there
will
not
be
any
fires,
so
you'll
have
fire
five
fire
stations
and
you
won't
have
to
respond
any
calls,
but
that's
not
going
to
happen
and
the
important
way
I
think
to
look
at
the
fire
service.
Is
that
it's
insurance?
You
don't
want
to
ever
have
to
you,
but
you
have
that
one
big
event
you
know
in
you
know
the
community
goes
in
the
morning.
N
There
are
people,
dead,
houses
burned
down,
and
so
it's
it's
just
plain
and
simple
insurance
and
for
everyone,
every
station
you
move-
or
you
close,
you
know
it's-
the
loss
of
another
policy,
I,
think
the
fire
department
I
know
the
fire
department
used
to
give
us
a
report.
Every
I
thought
it
was
every
month.
Maybe
it's
every
quarter
and
I've
just
missed
it
about
the
property
value
saved.
It's
not
so
much.
You
don't
have
all
these
gigantic
fires.
N
They
could
be
gigantic
fires,
but
you
get
there
and
you
put
them
out
and
you
cover
people's
furniture
so
that
you
save
value
in
in
the
victims,
homes
and
I.
Think
that's
a
really
important
number
for
us
to
all
understand
what
you've
done
to
prevent
additional
damage
and
then
also
at
one
of
my
budget
meetings.
N
AC
AC
N
Q
Chief
I
want
a
second
all
my
colleagues,
thanks
to
you
for
this
all
this
great
information
and
certainly
express
my
strong
support
for
the
department
and
keeping
fire
station
number.
Four
and
I
also
want
to
appreciate
express
my
appreciation
for
alderman
wins
many
many
questions
that
I
think
are
going
to
be
helpful
to
us
as
we
try
to
look
to
the
future,
to
you
know,
achieve
greater
savings
going
forward.
AC
AC
It's
in
it's
in
our
current
budget
I
think
it's
about
1.7
million
dollars
in
revenue
for
the
for
the
department
annually.
I
know
that
the
CF,
o
and
I
are
looking
at
some
other
options,
potentially
of
increasing
that
revenue
by
trying
to
gain
more
money
from
the
insurance
companies
by
increased
billing
rates
while
having
no
impact
to
the
residents
of
Evanston.
So
if
we
need
to
look
at
that
further
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
Yeah.
Q
M
An
alderman
reveled
members
of
the
council,
mr.
Desai,
has
had
some
experience
with
this
and
a
few
years,
but
he's
not
been
working
for
the
city
of
Evanston.
So
we
see
there
is
an
opportunity
there
to
increase
that
cost,
but
also
put
in
policies
that
would
protect
our
residents.
So
my
sense
does
you'll
see
something
more
on
that
from
us
next
week.
O
B
Chief,
we
I
see
no
more
light
so
I'll.
Let
me
just
wrap,
wrap
things
up
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
category
city
manager.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
very
thorough
presentation
and
the
level
of
detail
that
you
got
into,
and
certainly
thank
everybody.
That's
a
part
of
the
Evanston
Fire
Department
for
all
of
the
incredible
work
that
we
all
value
everybody
in
this
community.
Everybody
up
here
at
this
Dyess,
clearly
you've
heard
tonight.
No
one
wants
to
close
a
station.
They
don't
like
that
idea.
B
Our
residents
don't
like
that
idea,
but
we
also
know
that
something
has
to
give.
We
have
a
seven
and
a
half
million
dollar
deficit
here
in
this
in
this
city.
We
are
talking.
If
we
don't,
you
know,
get
any
reductions
here
with
the
fire
department
or
in
some
of
these
other
agencies
or
divisions
that
we
have
here
we're
talking
about
a
double-digit
increase
to
the
property
tax
in
Evanston.
That
has
real
implications
for
the
families
that
live
here
in
Evanston
and
so
I
appreciate
a
know.
B
B
B
Memo
on
this
is
I'd
like
to
know
what
has
been
the
effective
increase
in
base
compensation
for
Evanston
firefighters
over
the
last
five
years
and
by
you
know,
base
increase
it's
the
general
wage
increase.
It's
any
step
increases
its
educational
increases.
Its
longevity
increases
based
basically
I'd
like
a
budget
memo,
so
that
we
understand
what
has
been
the
effective
increase
on
the
labor
cost
for
firefighters.
Here
in
Evanston
again,
everybody
respects
the
incredible
job
that
they
do
to
keep
all
of
us.
Safe,
I.
B
Think
everybody
up
here
understands
and
recognizes
that
you
know
the
cost
of
living
increases
every
year.
You
know,
and
there
should
be
a
reasonable
increase
to
do
that,
but
but
I
think
we
need
to
understand
better
what
that
cost
has
been
as
we
you
know,
have
this
conversation
just
about
our
budget
and
and
what's
the
right
balance
here
between
cuts
in
in
reductions
or
slowing
down.
The
increases
future
increases
that
we
have
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
M
So
we've
now
finished
the
the
fire
department,
the
Parks
and
Rec
Department,
proposing
the
elimination
of
the
world's
Arts
and
Music
Festival,
a
net
cost,
the
city
of
$55,000,
reorganization
of
the
parks
department
staff.
The
majority
of
that
savings
is
the
announced
retirement
of
assistant
director
Bob
doorknocker,
so
there
would
be
other.
His
responsibilities
would
be
reallocated
mr.
Hemingway
and
miss
hawk,
but
the
the
lion's
share
of
that
savings
is
mr.
doorknockers
announced
retirement.
M
We've
already
taken
gives
Morrison
off
the
table,
so
that
is
no
longer
considered
decrease
in
expenses
associated
with
the.
While
you
grant
we've
been
partners
with
while
you
for
the
last
several
years,
for
a
grant
that
I
think
mr.
Hemingway
is
nearby
I,
think
that
was
something
that
the
the
outreach
workers,
mr.
Hemingway,
we're
a
part
of,
and
so
that
those
those
services
will
not
be
provided.
M
M
We
have
raised
the
hourly
rate,
I
think
now,
two
years
in
a
row
when
we
have
discovered
that
we
were
not
getting
applicants
to
be
lifeguards
because
of
other
competing
either
other
feeding
aquatic
jobs
with
the
Chicago
Park,
District
or
other
Park
districts
in
the
area.
So
we've
been
able
to
increase
the
hourly
rate,
but
still
we
have
to
use
more
overtime
than
we
would
anticipate
in
order
to
keep
all
the
beaches
open
and
cover
for
the
aquatics
camps,
so
not
a
lot
in
Parks
and
Rec.
M
Quite
honestly,
we
want
to
really
focus
on
on
those
quality
of
life
services
that
we
have
I
think
there's
some
other
long-term
planning.
Mr.
Hemmingway
would
very
much
like
to
do
a
strategic
plan
for
the
department
and
I
think
that
in
the
coming
year
we
will
look
for
opportunities
to
identify
resources
to
do
that,
because
we
would
need
to
have
some
outside
resources
to
do
that.
M
But
that
is
what
is
proposed
for
parks,
recreation,
community
services,
all
right,
Public,
Works,
again,
a
department
which
has
gone
through
lots
of
cuts;
lots
of
changes,
lots
of
downsizing
over
the
last
several
years,
a
relatively
modest
adjustment
here,
the
elimination
of
two
FTE
Park
Public
Works,
making
a
workers
in
our
streets
and
the
elimination
of
one
half
time
clerk
in
the
department
of
mr.
Clark
mr.
stone
Beck
is
here
and
I
see
one
light
mr.
stove
exit.
Perhaps
you
should
come
to
the
podium
and.
U
You
Dave
I,
think
I
will
I
read
your
memo
regarding
the
positions
that
were
being
eliminated.
I
was
a
little
bit
concerned
when
I
found
out
the
demographics
of
the
staff,
and
my
understanding
is
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
them
to
reapply
for
different
positions
within
your
department.
Is
that
correct
for.
AE
M
That
takes
us
through
the
operating
departments.
Then
there
are
several
citywide
adjustments.
One
is
the
elimination
of
terminating
sick
payouts
for
non-union
employees
again.
Mr.
Lee
could
probably
speak
to
this
better
than
I
can
but
I
think,
as
we
are
looking
at
employees
and
terminating
is,
is
a
generic
term
in
this
instance,
any
any
employee
really
separating
who
is
entitled
to
sick
payments.
Currently,
there
is
a
payout
for
that.
We
are
proposing
the
elimination
of
that
since
the
budget
has
come
out.
Mr.
M
Lee
and
I
and
Jennifer
Lynn,
our
human
resources
manager
have
are
looking
at
other
options
associated
with
that,
so
will
be
I
think
likely
proposing
a
change
there
to
that
proposal.
No
general
wage
increase
for
now
and
union
employees.
As
you
know,
in
the
base
budget,
is
a
2.6
percent
general
wage
increase
for
all
employees,
and
so
I
am
proposing
that
those
who
are
not
represented
by
unions,
so
managers
supervisors
largely,
would
not
receive
that
any
increase
regardless
of
what
was
negotiated.
So
that
is
a
large
reduction
there.
M
A
reduction
in
travel
and
Training
Council
has
expressed
concern
and
I
share
a
concern
in
difficult
budget
times
that
it's
important
to
reduce
that
spending.
The
police
and
fire
department
have
a
required
training
which
would
not
be
reduced.
So
this
is
training
and
travel
in
the
other
city
departments.
$25,000
decreased,
cellphone
stipends.
We
have
a
whole
array
of
cell
phone
stipends
as
we've
gone
from,
not
when
I
arrived
here.
Nine
years
ago,
all
employees
had
City
cell
phones.
M
M
Some
of
them
are
80
or
90
dollars
a
month
on
the
higher
end,
so
that
we
would-
and
some
are
even
less
than
that,
but
I
think
we
would
make
adjustments
so
that
the
the
high
end
stipends
would
be
down
to
$40
per
month,
saving
significantly
5%
increase
in
employee
portion
of
healthcare
for
non-union
employees.
We've
already
moved
forward
with
that
increase.
M
So
if
the
council
were
to
reverse
it,
we
would
we
would
have
to
undo
some
of
the
work
that
we're
already
doing,
but
we're
employees
are
already
choosing
their
healthcare
options
for
next
year,
so
non-union
employees
seeing
that
reduction
and
then,
finally,
a
reduction
in
all
Auto
allowances
by
50%.
So
most
of
these
citywide
are
impacting
your
managers
so
noce,
you
know
the
changes
to
sick
leave
payout.
Many
managers
are
involved
with
that.
No
general
wage
increase,
cellphone
stipends,
employee
health
care
reduction
in
auto
allowance.
M
Those
are
all
issues,
all
funds
that
will
impact,
so
there
were
in
essence,
reductions
in
compensation
to
your
managers
and
supervisors,
and
so
I
would
would
like
some
flexibility
as
we
are
balancing.
If
we
can
perhaps
take
one
or
two
of
those
off
the
table.
I
do
not
want
to
unduly
burden
managers
and
supervisors
with
not
only
not
seeing
any
increases
but
seeing
reductions
in
their
compensation,
and
so,
if
we're
there's
an
ability
to
make
some
adjustments
there,
those
are
largely
small
numbers.
M
T
So
I
still
I'm
going
to
push
for
the
auto
allowance.
I
realized
that
you
know
we're
cutting
other
things,
but
I
also
realize
we
have
a
7
million
dollar
deficit
and
you
know
being
that
we
I
know
it's
gonna
be
winter
soon,
but
we
have
the
bicycles.
We
have
you
know
city
cars
outside
and
we
are
not
a
very
big
city.
I
think
we
should
just
go.
You
know
to
the
mileage
reimbursement.
T
I
just
feel
like
it's
wasteful,
that
we
are
offering
Auto
allowances
for
people
when
when
they
have
other
means
of
transportation
in
the
city
again,
I
am
very
frustrated
by
the
auto
allowance
of
the
library
director
in
general
and
I
would
hope
that
our
you
know
our
management
staff
I
understand
they're
taking
some
bigger
hits,
but
they
also,
you
know,
make
more
money
than
some
of
our
lower-level
staff.
So
I
think,
as
we
looked
at
even
like
the
as
autumn.
T
Rainy
put
at
the
real
estate
transfer
tax
and
now
that's
going
to
only
really
hit
people
who
are,
you
know,
have
more
expensive
houses,
I
think
and
this
time
we're
asking
everyone
to
take
a
hit,
and
some
people
are
losing
a
job
that
we
just
really
have
to
cut
around
the
edges.
A
little
bit
more
for
everybody.
M
All
right
so
of
changes
in
other
funds,
so
we
have
talked
now
for
two
evenings
so
slowly
about
the
general
fund,
so
other
expenses
changes
for
other
funds,
the
no
general
wage
increase
for
non-union
employees
for
other
funds
would
be
a
savings
to
those
other
funds
of
one
hundred
and
forty
three
thousand
dollars.
Next
solid
waste
fund
special
refuse
pickups
for
proposing
to
increase
those
special
refuse
pickups
from
$60
to
$100.
M
Mr.
stone
Becca's
here
I
think
can
speak
to
the
fact
that
the
deficit
that
we
run
with
special
pickups
continues
to
be
sizable
and
I
think
even
at
$100.
That
will
not
cover
our
cost.
Is
that
a
correct
statement,
sir,
and
to
what's
the
order
of
magnitude
that
we
are
still
then
subsidizing
special
pickups?
If
you
wouldn't
mind.
O
AE
Don't
have
the
specific
information
right
in
front
of
me
order
magnitude
yeah
about
$40
per
special
pickup
I.
Think
it's
about
a
hundred
and
forty
dollars
per
special
pickup
that
we
is
our
cost
and
that
is
equivalent
to
the
cost
that
if
you
were
to
hire
an
outside
contractor
til,
you
go
by
two
three,
two
of
a
yard
bag
to
you
hire
them
to
come
pick
it
up.
Our
cost
is
still
cheaper
than
what
their
cost
is.
With
this
hundred
dollar
rate
that
we're
proposing
all
right.
M
W
Is
not
a
parking
enforcement
officer,
as
you
know,
the
residential
parking
zones
throughout
the
city
very
complicated,
haven't
some
of
them
haven't
been
evaluated
in
a
long
time.
There's
a
lot
of
demand
and
need
for
those
to
be
looked
at
further.
I.
Think
that
there's
enough
work
for
this
person
for
the
next
five
years,
with
the
extensive
regulations
that
we
have
throughout
the
city,
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
consistency
in
both
the
city
code,
the
signs
that
are
on
the
streets
and
then
the
GIS
system.
W
So
right
now
those
are
all
three
of
those
things
are
not
in
there
inconsistent.
So
if
you,
if
you
looked
at
the
sign
on
your
street,
it
may
not
match
what's
catified
in
the
code
and
we
found
in
the
past
some
of
these
residential
zones,
weren't
actually
codified,
but
the
signs
were
put
up
so
there's
a
lot
of
work.
That
needs
to
be
done
to
get
all
of
those
things
synched
up
and
that's
pretty
much
the
bulk
of
what
that
responsibility
would
be.
Thank.
T
W
T
P
Everything
he
said
is
true
about
the
parking
situations,
but
it's
it's
a
city
like
ours
is,
you
know
every
other
block
is
different,
so
I
think
my
observation
and
my
experience
is
that
somebody's
going
to
come
in
spend
a
lot
a
lot
of
time,
figuring
out
why
every
couple
blocks
are
different
and
probably
not
change
a
lot,
so
I
kind
of
feel
like
it's,
it's
a
you
know
as
needs
change.
The
community
kind
of
lets
us
hear
about
it,
so
you
know
it
would
be
great
to
have
that.
P
W
I
would
like
to
mention
that
we're
not
proposing
that
we
would
change
any
of
the
existing
regulations.
I
know
that
that
gives
a
lot
of
people
a
lot
of
anxiety,
but
what
I
will
say
is
that
the
volume
of
evaluating
new
register
regulations
new
zones,
all
that
comes
in
from
each
and
every
one
of
you
on
a
fairly
regular
basis.
So
there's
a
lot
of
demand
for
evaluations
that
we
don't
actually
have
the
staff
to
do
so.
W
We
try
to
do
them
a
little
bit
at
a
time,
but
when
you
do
them
a
little
bit
at
a
time
here
and
there
you're
not
looking
at
the
entire
system
you're
looking
at
one
block
and
how
it's
affected
by
what's
currently
happening
that
and
not
what's
happening
down
the
street
or
two
blocks
over
and
so
there's
a
lot.
There's
a
lot
of
decisions
that
get
made
I
would
say
in
without
taking
the
whole
system
into
context.
W
Additionally,
with
the
elimination
of
the
administrative
assistant
and
the
city
manager's
office,
that
person
largely
handles
a
lot
of
the
bill
payment
for
parking.
This
position
would
handle
that
bill
payment
as
well.
Taking
that
over
for
the
position
that
we're
losing
one
divided,
the
parking
fund
makes
sense
and
then
other
there's
a
it's
will
tax
season
right
now
the
the
parking
division
manager
is
spending
the
entirety
of
her
day
every
day,
answering
questions
about
residential
zones
and
not
having
any
time
to
manage
the
department.
So
this
would
also
assist
with
those
types
of
things.
Okay,.
P
O
This
is
something
that
I
don't
think.
We
should
do
right
now.
I
think
those
of
us
who
have
big
parking
districts
and
our
wards
know
the
pressures
that
are
on
them
and
I
would
just
assume,
put
this
off
again.
Given
the
situation
with
the
budget
I'm,
not
saying
that
it
won't
be
needed
at
some
point
in
the
future,
but
I
think
right.
Now
is
right
time.
M
Let's
skip
to
the
bottom,
increased
downtown
parking
meters,
1
now
$1
to
$2
an
hour,
2
million
dollars.
What
I
have
heard
from
talking
with
members
of
the
council
is
an
understanding
that
there's
a
there's
a
need
to
go
down
a
road,
perhaps
that
road
needs
to
have
a
twist
into
turn.
So
perhaps
there's
an
opportunity
to
have
an
increase
next
year,
but
commit
through
this
budget
process
to
other
increases.
M
I
think
Sunday
falls
into
the
same
mix
autumn,
and
wind
and
I
had
a
long
conversation
this
afternoon
kind
of
a
package
of
all
of
this,
and
so
I
would
guess
that
would
be
considered
a
the
council.
Is
your
willingness
to
to
see
staff
come
back,
perhaps
with
what
might
be
a
a
1920-21
package
that
we
would
would
raise
the
downtown
parking
meters
in
some
sort
of
incremental
fashion,
perhaps
deal
have
a
come
back
with
a
strategy
to
deal
with
Sunday's
and
some
sort
of
a
phased
way.
M
I
think
the
increased
surface,
parking
lots,
there's
been
I,
think
general
agreement
for
increases
there
and
the
other
the
decks,
and
all
of
that.
So
really
it's
the
meters
and
Sunday,
which
seemed
to
be
the
issue
so
I'm
looking
to
see
if
but
for
a
lot
of
the
right
track,
we're
happy
to
come
back
with
a
proposal.
Ultimen.
R
R
Clock
is
that's
acceptable
to
me,
but
I
think
that
I
wouldn't
want
to
change
it
because
of
the
number
of
people
who
attend
church
and
in
the
mornings
that
so
that
that
would
be
I
think
a
real
burden
on
those
congregations,
but
I
think
starting
the
Sunday
meters
at
whatever
is
inappropriate
time
and
after
we've
consulted
with
the
ministers
of
those
congregations,
would
be
appropriate.
Great.
P
Generally
I
think
I
agree
with
that,
but
I
don't
want
to
draw
it
out
too
long,
though,
am
I
in
my
mind,
I
was
kind
of
thinking,
doll
and
a
half
next
year
or
two
dollars
a
year
after
that,
and
then
starting
this
Sunday
parking
a
little
bit
later
in
the
day.
Instead
of
you
know,
right
at
8:00
a.m.
being
you
church
hours,
things
like
that,
I
realize
we
lose
some
of
the
money,
but
we.
AA
P
And
I
saw
that
I
just
kind
of
feel
like
people.
It
settle
the
idea
like
I'm,
getting
nickel
and
dimed,
you
know
and
I'm
getting
in.
So
you
know
if
it
goes
up
every
year.
You
know.
Let's
just
just
do
it
and
it'll
sit
at
$2
for
a
while
and
then
at
some
point,
I'll
have
to
go
from
there,
but
that's
just
my
own
inclination,
I'd
rather
just
kind
of
you
know
two
years
get
it
up
there
and
then
and
I
agree
with
the
later
starting
the
day
for
Sunday.
N
This
is
sort
of
on
this
subject,
but
I'm
very,
very
much
in
support
of
adding
to
peos
and
I
think
any
money
and
I
agree
with
alderman
Wilson
about
nickel
and
diming.
You
know
ten
cents
here
tends
to
just
it.
Just
irritates
people
so
much,
but
I
believe
that
revenue
is
going
to
be
generated
in
an
extreme
amount,
given
the
scofflaws
that
are
in
the
neighborhoods
on
Saturdays,
Sundays
and
evenings
every
evening
after
six
o'clock,
that
that
is
where
money
is
going
to
be
made.
N
O
M
U
U
O
O
W
AD
M
B
T
Guess
I
understand
and
sheer
alderman
Fisk
and
I
brought
this
up
last
week
when
I
talked
about
the
parking
decks
being
free
on
Sunday
downtown.
But
then,
if
you
go
to
Main
Street,
you
know
the
parking
lot
will
not
be
free
and
I
know.
The
conversation
was
well.
People
can
park
in
the
neighborhoods,
but
I
can
tell
you
Washington
and
Monroe
or
whatever
the
street.
T
Is
there
there's
no
parking
and
if
there
is
parking
they're
taking
it
away
from
a
resident
who,
you
know,
lives
there
and
it's
already
probably
not
parking
in
front
of
their
house,
because
there's
a
lot
of
apartment
building,
so
I
think
if
we're
going
to
raise
the
rates
we
just
raise
the
rates
I,
don't
think
you
should
get
anything
less
or
more
because
you're
in
downtown
or
not
downtown,
so
I
think.
If
the
meters
are
going
up
downtown,
they
should
go
up
at
least
in
every
business
district.
T
Maybe
not
you
know
on
a
residential
street,
but
in
the
business
districts
they
should
go
up
and
I
think
you
know
I'll
stick
to
that.
The
decks
should
also,
you
know,
have
some
kind
of
cost,
because
you
know
when
you
come
to
Main
Street
or
you
go
to
Howard
Street
you're
not
guaranteed
a
parking
space.
I
mean
there's
no
deck,
so
you're
circling
around
as
well,
and
we
don't
want
people,
you
know
not
visiting
in
Howard
Street,
because
now
they're
circling
even
more
and
then
they
start
going
downtown.
T
So
I
just
think
we
have
to
do
it
across
the
board.
If
we're
going
to
do
it
to
make
it
fair
to
every
business
owner
they're
not
being
penalized,
it's
based
on
wherever
they
decided
to
start
their
business
or
property
owners
are
not
being
penalized
to
have
an
overflow
of
traffic
or
parking
because
they
are
not
downtown.
B
Great
I'll
reiterate
what
I
said
before
I,
like
this
demand
based
pricing
model
that
you
presented
to
the
council
before,
because
if
it
still
gives
people
an
option
to
park
somewhere
at
the
same
price,
basically
that
they're
paying
now
yes,
someone
can
someone
can
choose
if
they're
going
to
pay
more
for
a
convenience.
I
think
that
that's
just
smart
and
thoughtful,
alright
I
see
nothing
else
all
right.
So.
M
M
Okay,
can
we
just
pull
up
the
budget
memo,
so
mr.
Stone
Beck,
if
you
could
come
up,
let's
talk
about
water
and
sewer
rates,
so
we
are
proposing
a
decrease
in
water
sewer
sewer
since
the
existing
sewer
and
an
increase
in
water
for
a
net
change
of
zero.
Therefore,
the
rate
payers.
So
if
you
are
all
happy
with
that,
you
know,
we've
I
think
this
is
a
a
strategy
that
we
have
shared
with
the
council
over
several
years
that,
as
the
changes
coming,
the
the
budget
memo
was
up
on
the
screen
from
the
one
fund.
AE
T
T
AE
To
do
that,
and
as
council
approved
last
year,
we're
going
to
have
a
property
tax
increase
as
well.
The
mammal
that
I'm
presenting
next
Monday
night
indicates
that
when
we
did
our
calculation
last
year,
we
were
I
did
not
thoroughly
investigate
what
our
revenue
generation
was
I
assumed.
What
was
in
the
budget
was
correct.
It
was
not
we
miss.
We
overstated
how
much
revenue
we
actually
brought
in
that
was
back
checked
this
year
and
we
were
not
bringing
the
revenue
that
we
anticipated.
AE
So
when
we
did
all
that
and
we're
reducing
the
transfer
from
the
general
fund
to
the
solid
waste
fund,
we
said
we
were
gonna
go
to
350
this
year,
we're
actually
going
to
only
150.
So,
with
all
those
things
in
mind,
the
need
to
add
the
property
tax
increase
that
we
discussed
previously
does
not
get
us
out
of
the
hole
in
the
solid
waste
fund
and
that
the
way
to
get
us
out
of
the
hole
is
to
raise
the
rates
for
the
the
refuge
collection
that
we
that
is
performed.
U
AA
U
AE
There
is
a
full
council
memo
for
an
ordinance
adoption
being
introduced
at
the
next
council
meeting,
and
the
full
justification
is
there,
along
with
the
five-year
projection
of
what
the
fund
balance
will
be
and
shows,
are
slowly
getting
out
of
the
hole
to
breaking
melee.
But,
yes,
I'd
be
in
a
better
position
discussing
next.
N
AE
N
AE
Way
the
so
the
city
sends
out
a
utility
bill
that
covers
water,
sewer
and
solid
waste
cost.
So
the
first
funds
applied
go
to
the
solid
waste
charge.
The
next
funds
go
to
the
sewer
funds
and
the
last
one
goes
through
a
waterfront.
So
it's
it
shows
up
as
you're,
not
paying
your
water
bill
and
that's
how
that
works.
AE
AE
AE
M
So
mr.
mayor
members
of
the
council
will
well,
as
mr.
stovic
mentioned,
this
will
be
on
the
ordinances
for
the
rate.
Adjustments
will
be
on
the
council
agenda
on
Monday
for
first
reading
the
background
materials
there.
What
I'd
like
to
do
now
is
take
the
comments
you've
made
during
the
course
the
last
two
meetings
and
come
back
to
next
Monday
with
a
revised
budget,
balancing
worksheet
that
reflects
the
discussions
and
also
still
balances
the
budget.
M
So
the
staff
will
work
on
that
during
the
course
of
the
week
and
we'll
be
back
with
you
Monday
evening,
but
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mr.
mayor,
for
your
suggestion.
I
think
the
the
discussion
going
through
department
by
department
will
work
very
well
and
we'll
be
back
next
week
with
more
information.
Great.
U
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
and
thank
all
the
residents
who
continue
to
come
out
and
send
us
emails
and
provide
us
feedback
on
the
budget.
I
do
want
to
address
some
comments
that
were
made
earlier
and
I
think
it's
you
know
clear.
We're
always
going
to
be
mindful
of
our
tone
and
rhetoric,
but
I
think
it's
important
particularly
to
our
residents,
who
come
to
the
mic.
It's
one
thing
always
to
criticize
us,
but
I
think
he
crossed
the
line
when
he
criticized
our
staff
and
we've
had
many
discussions
about
our
civility.
U
Our
behavior
and
I
just
think
that
it's
important
to
say
that
there
are
some
things
that
just
crossed
the
line
and
I
think
that
line
was
crossed
tonight
and
I
hope
that
folks
will
be
more
mindful
of
that.
Our
staff
work
very
hard
on
behalf
of
our
residents,
as
well
as
on
behalf
of
our
council
and
I,
just
think
that
that
type
of
conversation
there's
no
place
for
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
R
I
would
echo
what
alderman
brains
weight
said.
We
have
a
superb
staff,
they
work
very,
very
hard.
Evans
anas
is
a
challenging
community
to
work
in
sometimes
that's
a
wonderful
challenge.
Sometimes
that's
a
really
difficult
challenge,
but
we
get
the
best.
People
and
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I
think
the
vast
majority
of
our
residents
do
too
so
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
staff.
Thank
you.
P
I
agree
with
that
very
much
and
you
know
we
want
to
keep
getting
the
best
staff
in
the
best
people,
and
you
know
my
lookout
in
the
room
staff
still
here.
So
it's
been
a
long
long
day
for
them,
it's
been
a
long
day
for
everybody,
but
you
know
the
level
of
commitment.
I've,
never
and
I've
worked
with
a
lot
of
different
communities
in
different
capacities.
I
never
really
seen
anything
like
it,
but
at
the
same
time
we
provide
availability
and
services
to
the
community,
which
I
think
are
also
unmatched.
P
You
know
you
look
at
other
communities.
I
was
looking
at
Rockford
I,
think
they
let
five
people
speak
at
public
comment
for
three
minutes.
You
have
to
sign
up
in
advance
and
that's
it
so,
and
it's
just
the
idea
that
we've
had
you
know
well
over
a
dozen
community
meetings
about
this
budget.
You
know
the
budget
process
is,
is
vast,
extensive
and
the
amount
of
information
that
we
make
available
is
really
truly
unmatched.
P
B
N
Think
that
you
mayor
Haggerty,
have
a
real
responsibility
to
not
allow
that
kind
of
comment.
Go
on,
I
really
think
to
sit
here
and
listen
to
it
when
we
don't
have
to
I'm
part
of
our
staff.
I
really
think
you
need
to
turn
off
the
mic
or
tell
people
they
need
to
clean
up
their
speech.
I
really
do
I
think
you
have.
You
have
the
absolute
power
to
do
that
and
I
wish.
You
would
thank
you.
O
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
I
want
to
echo
what
my
colleagues
have
said
about
about
the
staff
and
the
citizens,
who
are
the
four
or
three
of
you.
Four
of
you,
maybe
who
are
still
here.
You
know
the
budget
is
really
really
complicated
and
we
work
really
hard
to
try
to
understand
it.
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
totally
understand
it,
but
our
staff
does
and
and
the
way
that
they
take
the
time
to
explain
it
to
us,
I
mean
if
you
go.
O
O
The
City
Council
has
a
has
a
responsibility
to
the
staff,
all
of
whom
are
extremely
hard-working
mr.
city
manager,
as
the
leader
of
the
staff
I
appreciate
so
much
the
work
that
you've
put
into
this
and
mr.
mayor,
you
and
I
have
had
conversations
about
this
previously
and
we'll
try
to
figure
the
way
out.
I
I
do
want
to
restore
faith
in
the
community
in
the
City
Council,
because
I
think
we're
doing
a
really
amazing
job
in
a
really
hard
time.