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A
Good
evening,
the
hour
of
six
pm
having
con
but
really
only
barely
gone,
uncharacteristically,
the
march
14th
meeting
of
the
evanston
city
council
is
called
to
order.
Would
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
A
Thank
you,
eight
members,
having
answered
the
call
of
the
roll,
we
have
a
quorum
and
are
prepared
to
do
our
work
for
the
evening.
We
begin
with
my
announcements
and
proclamations
of
which
I
have
none.
So
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
city
manager's,
public
announcements,
good.
A
No
communications
from
the
city
clerk.
This
brings
us
to
public
comment
this
evening.
Everyone
will
be
given
three
minutes
for
public
comment.
A
The
one
one
person
who
signed
up
for
public
comment,
jeremy
venata,
but
I
believe,
did
not
communicate
with
the
city
clerk
simply
said
that,
though
he'll
be
unable
to
speak.
He
wanted
to
express
support
for
the
out
of
space
concert
series.
D
All
right,
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
me
today,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
margarita
in
I'm
sorry,
I
know
it's
not
on
your
agenda
tonight,
but
there's
two
there's
two
things
that
I
want
to
say.
There
are
two
comments
that
I
want
to
make.
One
is
regarding
preparedness
right,
so
we
know
that
the
margarita
and
has
been
there
for
two
years
it
served
its
purpose.
It'll
continue
to
serve
its
purpose.
D
We've
had
multiple
hundreds
of
calls.
There
chief
edelton
yesterday
said
that
they
cannot
support
that
number
of
calls
that
it
is
a
drain
on
the
community's
police
force
that
there's
already
24
too
few
police
officers
on
duty.
There
is
no
plan
to
understand
how
we're
going
to
support
the
margarita
inn
now
or
even
going
forward.
He
says
he's
pulling
resources
away
from
special
assignment.
D
D
So
right
now
we're
just
going
to
go
behind
the
closed
door,
we're
going
to
rubber
stamp
it
and
say:
hey,
you're,
a
rooming
house
and
we're
going
to
let
them
become
a
permanent,
40-room
homeless,
shelter
in
the
middle
of
the
fourth
ward,
with
no
precedent
whatsoever,
I
guess
rolling
the
dice
saying.
Well,
I
hope
it
works
out
for
us.
D
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
going
to
change
everything
in
that
particular
area.
I
really
feel
like
every
person
on
this
board.
Everyone
on
this
council
should
have
a
vote.
Zoning
should
have
a
vote
and
every
person
in
that
district
should
have
a
say
in.
What's
about
to
happen,
that's
one
thing
now,
secondarily,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
rooming
board
or
the
the
rooming
house
component
of
it
so
just
very
quickly,
they're
listed
as
a
tax-exempt
entity
as
a
homeless,
temporary
shelter.
D
D
They
have
been
termed
they've,
been
given
money
as
a
homeless,
shelter
at
the
margarita
inn,
a
long-term
homeless
shelter
at
the
margarita
end
november,
9th
2020.
They
were
given
funds
as
approval
of
80
thousand
dollars
for
a
homeless
shelter
operations.
Food
on
at
the
margarita
inn
in
january
19
2021.
There
was
a
presentation
done
to
this
board,
describing
them
as
a
long-term
homeless
shelter.
D
It
kind
of
goes
on,
may
18th
mental
health
board
24
7
shelter
at
the
margarita,
inn
connections
for
the
homeless,
operating
a
long-term
homeless,
shelter,
everything
that
we
call
them
every
dime
that
we
gave
them
from
2020
and
2021
was
as
a
homeless,
shelter,
15.
D
So
how
we
can
conceivably
say
they
are
anything,
but
is
it's
not
rational,
it's
preposterous.
If
they
need
to
be
something
else?
Fine,
let's
do
it.
Let's
do
amendments,
let's
you
know,
put
the
proper
zoning
in
place
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
let's
call
them
what
they
are
and
make
it
legal
and
let's
not
just
hedge
it
behind
closed
doors
and
call
them
a
rooming
house
and
let
them
go.
That's
all.
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
it's
my
understanding
that
no
one
else
is
seeking
to
give
public
comment
in
person
and
so
we'll
move
now
to
our
online
public
commenters,
who
will
begin
with
christine
claussen
and
be
followed
by
kent
swanson
and
tim
pretz.
A
Looks
like
christine
clausen
may
not
be
in
the
zoom
at
this
time,
so
we'll
move
on
next
will
be
kent,
swanson,
followed
by
tim,
pretz
and
then
darlene
gordon.
E
Good
evening
council,
my
name
is
ken
swanson,
I'm
a
resident
of
third
ward
and
long
time.
Everything
I'm
speaking
today
in
favor
of
the
outer
space
concert
series,
which
is,
I
believe,
a
matter
of
hand
this
evening.
I
think
it
has
been
a
great
hassle
to
the
community.
A
very
well
run
well
organized
event
and
well
within
reasonable
boundaries
of
noise
and
disruption.
E
They
support
many
local
businesses
and
get
a
great
deal
of
great
publicity
to
our
community,
for
you
know
around
the
metropolitan
area
and
it's
an
important
part
of
who
we
are,
I
think,
as
supporting
the
arts
and
music
in
this
kind
of
festival
and
it's
a
great
program.
I
urge
you
to
support
and
continue
with.
It's
continue
to
have
it
in
our
city.
Thank
you.
A
F
I'd
like
to
echo
kent's
comments,
my
name
is
tim
fretch,
I'm
a
board
member
at
canal,
shorts
golf
course.
I
also
live
near
the
course
in
the
seventh
ward.
I
know
the
special
permits
are
on
the
consent
agenda
tonight
and
as
a
canal
shores
board
member
I'd
like
to
say
how
terrific
of
a
partner
space
has
been
with
their
out-of-space
concerts
the
past
several
years,
and
we
as
an
organization
really.
G
F
Their
partnership,
these
guys,
are
real
pros
the
production
values
and
performing
artists
they've
brought
up.
In
first
rate,
these
concerts
have
been
very
good
for
canal
shores.
They've
raised
the
profile
and
awareness,
it's
led
to
increased
donations,
more
golfers
and
importantly,
deeper
community
support
overall,
and
we
support.
We
definitely
appreciate
the
city's
support
of
these
shows.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
beyond
the
canal
shore
side.
Let's
not
forget
that
these
shows
also
benefit
the
entire
city
of
evanston.
They
support
numerous
small
businesses.
F
H
First,
I
want
to
say
I
was
very
disappointed
at
apw
when
I
was
able
to
squeeze
in
a
discussion
about
a
handful
of
highlighted
items
from
the
bills
and
credit
card
lists
that
should
have
been
at
least
discussed
if
not
challenged
by
council
members.
No
council
members
even
paid
attention
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars,
if
not
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars,
should
have
been
discussed
very
disappointing
you're,
just
not
doing
your
due
diligence.
H
I
wouldn't
do
it
personally,
but
I
think
it's
ironic
when
you
consider
the
city
recently
cut
down
over
40
matured
trees
in
the
fifth
ward,
apparently
without
the
owner's
permission.
So
I
just
find
that
very
ironic
wanted
to
touch
briefly
on
some
of
the
articles
I've
read
in
in
the
round
table
and
in
the
evanston.
Now
the
one
in
evanston
now
talking
about
having
to
spend
another
five
million
dollars
on
fountain
square
to
rebuild
that
fountain.
H
Why
should
the
city
have
to
do
that?
Why
should
the
city
have
to
pay
for
something
contractors,
architects,
engineers
designed
poorly
or
built
poorly,
and
why
is
the
city?
Why
would
the
residents
or
the
city
have
to
bear
that
cost?
I'd
like
somebody
to
address
that.
I
also
heard
recently
about
some
dust
up
from
the
our
temporary
city
manager,
who,
for
whatever
reason,
can't
provide
information
to
an
alter,
a
council
member
who
asks
repeatedly.
H
You
know
I
don't
care
what
the
document
is.
Any
council
member
should
be
able
to
ask
the
city
manager-
or
in
this
case
the
temporary
city
manager,
for
a
document
that's
on
file
that
maybe
hasn't
been
made
public,
yet
without
getting
all
kinds
of
resistance
and
being
denied
access
to
information
that
I
you
know,
it's
bad
enough.
H
That
citizens
are
are
have
a
hard
time
getting
information
from
the
city
council
members
should
have
absolutely
zero
resistance
from
city
staff
or
from
the
city,
temporary
manager
and
I'd
like
to
know
how
quickly
we
can
get
that
manager
replaced.
A
A
Well,
mr
dirks
is
in
the
zoom,
perhaps
having
technical
difficulties
so
we'll
we'll
loop
back.
The
next
speaker
is
doreen
price.
I
Hi
berry
price
evening,
and
for
for
this
particular
issue,
it
kind
of
goes
along
with
what
mike
is
emphasizing
with
regard
to
respecting
residents
and
also
council
members
in
terms
of
their
requests
and
I'd
like
to
add
in
terms
of
their
financial
disposition.
I
I
find
it
offensive
that
similar
to
a
statement
that
the
director
of
public
works
said
before
about
planting
naturalizing
kind
of
plantings
on
the
parkway
on
having
60
people
say
that
400
fines,
which
the
director
said,
is
necessary
to
discourage
people
from
doing
these
things
and
the
actual.
I
What
you
call
shock
that
people
with
low
income
are
not
being
recognized
again.
This
is
happening
with
regard
to
the
water.
I
assume
that
it's
reflecting
a
director's
disposition
about
how
residents
are
behaving
and
to
make
the
assumption
in
writing
that
people
who
can
pay
don't,
is
really
derogatory
for
people
who
are
struggling
and
that's
what
we
hear
usually
like.
We
can't
help
you,
because
that
will
just
make
you
you
know,
make
you
listen.
I
If
we,
if
we
help
you,
we,
we
won't
be
giving
you
a
fishing
pole
or
something
and
we're
having
just
like
the
city
says
that
we're
temporary
it's
temporary
and
we
need
help
or
we
need
urban
money
or
we've
gone
through
this
this
time
and
we
need
help.
Well.
People
right
now
need
help
and
to
say
that,
as
of
april
in
two
weeks,
we're
going
to
reinstate
that,
unless
you
quickly
get
to
somebody
who's
going
to
help
you
out
and
save
you
from
losing
your
water
access
to
your
water.
I
I
Passing
down
yeah
that
that
that's
pretty
much
it
so
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
we
really
need
to
examine
re-examine
and
talk
to
the
residents
who
need
help
and
actually
make
it
easy
for
them,
because
I've
gone
through
so
many
agencies,
and
I
can
tell
you
my
heap-
is
300
a
month
lower
than
what
I'm
what
I
take
in,
which
is
not
very
much
so
I
have
to
go
through
salvation
army
or
the
senior
benefit
card
should
count
like
it
did
for
the
comed,
but
somehow
or
another.
A
I
They're
usually
overwhelmed
okay,
but
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
inform
with
regard
to
these
other
agencies,
they're,
not
that
easy.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you,
that's
the
end
of
our
list,
so
we'll
go
back
to
those
who
were
called
on
and
were
unable
to
speak.
I
believe
that
christian,
clausen
and
darlene
and
gordon
are
both
still
not
in
the
zoom.
A
A
All
right,
I
think,
we're
unable
to
resolve
this
issue,
mr
dirks,
but
please
feel
free
to
email
in
a
comment
which
will
be
distributed
to
the
council
and
made
available
to
the
public.
A
J
Yeah,
I
don't
see
paul
here,
but
sarah
sarah's,
certainly
here.
J
Okay,
I'm
sorry
we're
gonna
have
a
presentation.
First,
are
we
just
jumping
right
in
to
jump
right
into
it?
Okay,
I
appreciate
one
of
the
big
things
I
think
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
There
are
two
things
in
here
that
I
think
are
powerful.
One
is
the
you
know
the
guidelines
that
are
at
the
end
here,
the
the
evaluation
criteria.
I
think
that'll
be
helpful
and
I
know
staff
wants
us
to
kind
of
move
forward
on
giving
them
occur.
J
You
know
given
guidance
on
a
criteria
that
staff
can
use
to
evaluate
projects.
So
I'll
start
with
that.
This
is
something
I
know
councilman
burns
and
I
and
I'm
sure
others
had
meetings
with
staff
over
the
course
of
the
week
to
discuss
this.
So
a
lot
of
the
discussions
we
had
reflected
here.
One
thing
that
I
would
love
to
see
is
with
the
crite.
You
know
with
the
the
criteria,
I'd
love
to
see
a
point
value
associated
with
it.
J
So
maybe
project
feasibility
is
worth
a
total
of
10
points
or
15
points
and
team
organization
capacity
is
worth
five
points
and
I'm
just
throwing
out
random
numbers.
But
if
we
created
a
some
kind
of
numerical
criteria
that
we
could
really
judge
them
by
and,
of
course,
it's
subjective
to
staff,
but
it
would
give
us
better
metrics
on
how
folks
are
measuring
up
so
that
that's
one
thing
there,
otherwise
really
great
great
stuff
there.
The
last
thing
is
with
the
arpa
categories.
J
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
wasn't
captured
is
the
having
the
new
category.
I
almost
feel
like
this
image
is
maybe
backwards
and
that,
having
the
that
the
new
category
should
more
closely
reflect
our
committee
structure.
J
So
when
we
go
through
the
exercise
that
I
think
we
should
go
through
tonight,
which
councilmember
newsman
started
at
the
last
meeting,
which
is
okay,
which
of
these
buckets
is
going
to
go
to
which
committee
I
was
hoping
to
see
the
new
categories
more
directly,
the
new
categories
and
the
funding
allocation
associated
with
that
to
be
more
closely
reflective
of
the
evidence,
city
of
evanston
committees
that
are
already
in
place,
and
so
I'm
almost
thinking
the
original
categories
is
what's
easier
to
work
off
of
for
us
and
assign
each
of
those
and
the
associated
dollar.
J
You
know
allotment
to
to
a
committee,
so,
for
example,
economic
development
committee
would
have
again.
I
think
the
numbers
have
changed,
but,
let's
just
say
seven
million
overall,
and
that
would
go
to
economic
development
committee
to
to
decide
how
the
rpa
expenses
so.
J
K
Sarah
flax,
housing
and
grants
manager
to
the
categories,
one
of
the
challenges
is
none
of
the
categories
exactly
match
up
with
our
board's
committees
and
commissions.
J
Of
time
is
it
because,
if
this
is
for
my
benefit,
I
just
I
totally
get
that,
but
what
what
what
I'm
saying
here
is
that
our
economic
development
committee,
for
example,
could
look
at
could
find
a
project,
that's
related
to
social
services,
that's
related
to,
of
course,
economic
development.
It
could
come
up
with
something
that's
related
to
infrastructure,
but
has
an
economic
development
impact,
and
thereby
that's
why
that
committee
is
choosing
to
do
that,
and
so
I
think
by
again
why
this
you
know
prism.
J
If
you
will
was
reversed
it
would
you
know
one
side
would
be
the
evanson
committee's
economic
development,
social
services,
whatever
our
committee
structure
is
and
on
the
other
side
would
be
what
the
arpa
committees
allow
or
what
them,
not
committees.
I'm
sorry
the
arpa
categories
allow
and
we'd
have
an
allotment
to
each
of
our
committees
that
you
know
social
services
gets.
This
dollar
amount
h.o
dc,
or
what
are
we
cd?
What's
the
committee
that
we
serve
on.
L
K
J
Hcdc
yeah
hcdc
that
hcdc
gets
a
certain
dollar
amount
and
we
had
that
in
the
original
structure,
and
I
think
that
makes
sense
and
then,
of
course,
every
project
that
comes
out
of
those
committees
that
ends
up
on
the
other
side
of
the
prism
would
meet
the
federal
categories
we
just
you
know,
filter
it
out
through
our
committee
structure.
J
M
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
like
I
have
indicated
in
in
conversations
previous
to
this
evening,
that
the
plan
as
it
exists
in
front
of
us
is
not
necessarily
the
one
that
I
have
come
up
with,
but
I'm
feeling
like
there
are
any
number
of
different
ways.
This
cat
could
be
skinned
and
I'm
willing
to
go
along
with
something
very
close
to
what's
in
front
of
us
tonight,
because
in
the
end,
I
don't
think
the
the
result
is
going
to
change
significantly
anyway.
So
I
feel
like
we
are
several
months
behind
and
having
this
discussion.
M
One
point
I
would
like
to
clarify-
and
I
see
our
sustainability
coordinator
here,
I'd
like
to
address
our
carp
goals
and
see
to
what
extent
we
can
we
can
accommodate
them
or
not
come
accommodate
our
carp
agenda.
You
know,
through
arpa
funds.
G
Sustainability
and
resilience
coordinator
good
evening,
I've
had
several
conversations
with
not
only
paul
and
sarah,
but
also
with
a
number
of
you
about
incorporating
carp
goals
into
our
arpa
allocation,
as
I've
mentioned
before,
the
intention
of
arpa
is
not
necessarily
directly
tied
to
climate
change,
and
so
there
are
a
number
of
different
restrictions
that
we've
had
to
keep
in
mind.
That
being
said,
the
one-stop
shop,
affordable,
housing
retrofit
program
directly
aligns
with
our
carp
goals
and
originated
out
of
the
office
of
sustainability.
G
In
addition
to
that,
there
are
a
number
of
different
goals
related
to
water
and
sewer
infrastructure
that
have
to
do
with
our
carp
goals
related
to
removing
lead
pipes
and
generally
improving
infrastructure
related
to
water
and
sewer.
In
addition
to
that,
based
on
your
feedback,
we've
come
up
with
an
allocation
within
participatory
budgeting
to
further
examine
what
projects
related
to
carp
might
be
eligible
for
arpa,
so
moving
forward,
we're
still
open
to
understanding
what
that
might
look
like
and
what
our
community
members
might
want.
A
Is
there
further
a
discussion
council
member
burns.
O
Yeah,
just
one
just
want
to
say,
appreciate
staff
for
for
putting
in
the
work
and
and
getting
this
in
front
of
us.
I
think
this
is
now
a
document
that
we
can.
When
people
come
up
to
us
in
the
community
and
say
hey,
you
know
we
have
a
proposal
we'd
like
to
put
together.
We
have
you
know
something
written
down
on
paper
that
we
can
show
to
people.
That's
consistent.
O
So
I
really
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
staff
for
for
putting
this
together,
the
we
went
from
qualified
census
tracts
having
their
own
bucket
of
4
million,
roughly
speaking
to
zero
under
this
proposal,
which
I'm
really
concerned
about,
and
so
I
think
at
the
very
least,
we
need
to
add
qualified
census
tract
as
a
as
a
criteria
as
a
scoring
criteria,
and-
and
I
would
hope
that
each
committee,
you
know,
weighted
that
as
a
as
as
one
of
the
top
priorities.
K
I
can
just
make
a
note
one
of
the
reasons
we
didn't
retain
that,
but
we
can
certainly
put
it
in
as
a
scoring
thing
is
in
the
final
rule:
they
expanded
the
impacted,
the
the
impacted
communities,
the
deeply
impacted
communities
to
be
not
just
geographic
in
the
in
the
interim
rule.
K
They
were
really
focused
geographically,
and
now
they
allow
a
category
of
people
or
businesses
that
isn't
necessarily
just
geographic
that
we
can
look
at
and
there's
actually
a
case
where
we're
trying
to
look
at
our
child
care
providers,
which
is
beneficial
not
on
a
geographic
where
they're
located,
but
on
the
number
and
percent
of
lower
income
children
that
they
serve.
So
we
are
actually
going
to
have
an
ability.
K
K
P
Please
thank
you,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
council
city
clerk.
It's
paul
zalmazak
economic
development
manager.
Thank
you,
councilmember
burns.
I
wanted
to
point
you
to
page
61
of
585
in
the
packet.
I
think
one
way
we
could
also
address
it
more
directly
is
item
five
addressing
inequities
and
equality.
P
You
know
we
can
work
in
our
committees
to
make
sure
that
that
weighting
is
higher
than
maybe
some
of
the
others.
So
please
keep
that
in
mind.
If
you
haven't
seen
that
on
the
scoring
structure
and
the
appendix
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Nobody
who
has
not
yet
spoken
is
requesting
to
speak,
so
we'll
go
back
to
folks
requesting
a
second
crack,
beginning
with
council
member
reid,
who
has
30
seconds
left.
J
Yes,
I
I
just
want
us
to
actually
go
so
what
we
haven't
yet
discussed
is
the
process
in
which
ideas
for
so,
if
a
community
member
or
a
group
or
even
one
of
us,
wants
to
have
a
has
an
idea
or
whatever
it
is
to
address
negative
economic
impacts
of
covid
or
premium
pay
or
services.
What
committee
would
a
person
go
to?
Where
did?
Where
did
they
go
to
start
the
process
to
address
that
issue
and
we
haven't
decided
yet
yet.
C
Well,
we
had
hoped
to
hire
on
our
arfa
specialists,
which
we
have
not
been
able
to
do.
That
would
take
the
lead
on
those
matters.
For
now
I
would
say
start
with
sarah
flex
as
staff
to
guide
you
through
either
community
members
or
council
members
through
the
right
channels.
J
C
Sarah
help
yes
guide
them
through
that
process,
there's
going
to
be
more
to
it
than
just
that
there
you
know.
Maybe
there's
going
to
be
some
counseling
as
to
what
federal
category
this
can
fall
under,
maybe
some
refinements,
maybe
some
information
she
might
need
from
from
the
proposer.
But
yes,
ultimately,
yes,.
K
Could
I
just
I
would
actually
be
very
interested
in
also
discussing
in
the
participatory
budgeting
committee
what
types
of
things
we
really
think
would
be
ideal
to
potentially
involve
from
that
standpoint,
because
I
think
some
things
are
very
definitely
things
that
we
might
want
to
consider
engaging
in
that
process
to
help
flesh
out,
but
depending
on
kind
of
what
types
of
things
they
are
and
what
kind
of
organization
is
proposing
them.
Some
things
are
kind
of
straightforward.
M
You,
mr
mayor,
my
quick
question
has
flown
back
into
my
head,
which
was
with
regards
to
that
one-stop
shop
program,
which
is
you
know,
one
of
maybe
hopefully
not
the
only
thing
that
will
advance
a
carp
goal
that
we
can
get
done
with
urban
money.
But
what
is
the
ballpark
dollar
amount
of
of
that
program?
How
much
arpa
money
will
be
looking
to
spend.
K
We
haven't
set
that
yet,
but
I
think
that
we
are
going
to
we're
working
with
center
for
neighborhood
technology
and
elevate
and
ask
have
asked
them
to
put
together
a
budget
to
help
design
and
initiate
that
and
I'm
expecting
that
would
be
arpa
funded.
What
I'm
hoping
very
much
we
can
do
is
pull
in
other
sources
of
money
for
the
actual
retrofit
work
in,
in
addition
to
arpa,
but
I
think
that
arpa
really
will
be
the
money
that
will
get
that
started.
N
K
K
Very
very
important
job
and
it
addresses
not
just
carp,
but
I
I
believe
it's
one
of
our
most
important
ways
of
adjusting
environmental
justice,
because
one
of
the
most
telling
statistics
that
I've
found
is
a
13
life
a
13
year.
Life
expectancy,
difference
between
our
lowest
income
census
tract
and
our
highest
income
census
tract,
and
you
can't
convince
me
that
the
housing
and
the
quality
of
the
housing
stock
isn't
part
of
that.
A
Is
there
any
further
discussion
seeing
none
before
we
take
the
role
with
the
clerk?
Please
add
councilmember
revell
to
the
role
and
then
and
then
take
the
rule
on
item
sp1,
council
member.
A
With
nine
voting
in
favor
and
none
voting
against
the
motion
passes
and
the
arpa
plan
has
been
accepted
and
placed
on
file,
this
brings
us
to
the
consent
agenda.
I've
been
told
that
we
were
asked
to
remove
item
h1
from
the
consent
agenda.
So
that's
pulled
off.
Are
there
other
items
that
council
members
would
like
to
see
removed
from
the
consent
agenda?
A
M
S
N
A
It'll
be
done
next
time,
and
my
guess
is
folks
will
want
to
speak
when
that
yeah.
A
B
N
A
A
J
A
R
So
every
business
has
a
lot
of
things
on
it
and
has
things
we
may
think
cost
too
much
or
that
we
don't
agree
with
this.
This
one
in
particular,
has
253.82
cents
for
dessert
for
the
farewell
party
for
someone
who
chose
not
to
participate
in
the
investigation
on
the
lakefront
and
I'm
not
going
to
stick
my
constituents
with
a
bill
for
cookies
for
someone
who
didn't
care
enough
to
participate
in
that
investigation.
So
I'm
going
to
vote
no.
T
R
You
can
pull
the
one
item
out
if
there's
enough
people
they're
going
to
vote
know
that
the
entire
business
would
fail.
That
wouldn't
be
good
for
the
city.
You
can
pull
the
one
item
if
you
want,
but
my.
A
A
I
would
respectfully
request
that
someone
on
the
prevailing
side,
which
is
to
say
the
no
side,
make
a
motion
to
reconsider,
at
which
point
we
could
entertain
amendments
to
the
bills
list
that
would
assemble
the
majority
required
to
to
pass
the
bills
list,
so
we're
able
to
make
payroll
and
perform
the
other
essential
functions
of
the
city
without
without
walking
away
from
our
responsibilities.
A
But
I
think
at
this
time
we
should
continue
the
role
I
believe
with
council
member
braythwaite
yeah.
U
B
Councilmember
nguyen
aye
councilmember
nussma
hi
councilmember
burns
aye
councilman
suffered
him.
A
No,
with
five
voting
in
favor
and
for
voting
against
item
a1
passes.
This
brings
us
to
item
a2
council
member
reed.
Would
you
care
to
make
a
motion.
J
J
Yes,
I
move
approval
of
the
harris
amazon
creditor
credit
card
activity
in
the
dollar
amount
of
eleven
thousand
four
hundred
and
fifty
nine
dollars
and
eighty
four
cents.
N
A
M
A
Sorry
I
didn't
hear
who
made
the
second.
Oh
council
member
newsman
moves
item
a
three
council
member
reed
seconds.
Is
there
a
discussion
council,
member
reed.
J
Yeah,
I
I
I'm
not
supportive
of
this,
and
that's
why
I
didn't
move
it
because
you're
not
allowed
to
speak
against
an
item
that
you
move.
I
I
don't
know
if
this
is
whether
or
not
we
need
this
is
you
know
I
think
up
for
debate.
J
The
city
manager
gave
pretty
compelling
reasons
as
to
why
this
may
be
useful,
but
I
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
time
yet
as
we
do
not
have
a
permanent
city
manager,
as
this
body
hasn't
even
decided
its
goals
yet,
and
so
what
are
we
asking
this
lobbyist
to
go
lobby
for
if
we
don't
even
know
fully
what
this
body
is
is
quite
set
forward
on
on
a
path
to
accomplish?
Someone's
phone
is
gone.
J
I
would
like
this
body
to
have
this
tabled
until
we
have
a
permanent
city
manager
in
place
to
think
through
an
actual
lobbyist
plan
and
and
to
think
through.
What
are
our
goals
that
we
that
we
hope
to
achieve
with
with
the
lobbyist,
with
the
paid
lobbyists
for
the
city
of
evanston,
because
I
surely
don't
want
them
down
there
advocating
for
things
that
would
be
opposite
to
the
values
of
of
of
my
community
and
the
communities
that
elected
all
of
us
to
serve
here.
A
I
don't
think
we
really
want
a
lobbyist
in
springfield
out
there
advocating
on
policy
and
trying
to
affect
roll
calls
on
bills
on
a
regular
basis.
I
think
that's
that's
having
been
on
the
other
side
of
that,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
that
that
goes
on
and
that
doesn't
really
have
much
of
an
effect.
A
I'll,
give
you
a
concrete
example,
I
got
a
call
from
dave
stoneback,
a
few
months
ago,
saying:
hey
daniel
I've
prepared
a
letter
for
you
to
send
our
state
legislative
delegation
explaining
our
need
for
additional
support
around
lead
service
lines
and
those
hoping
you
would
send
it
because
you
have
a
relationship
with
them.
You
might
be
an
effective
advocate,
and
I
said
I'd
be
happy
to
advocate
very
aggressively,
for
that.
A
Is
there
a
particular
reason
that
you're
suggesting
we
do
it
now?
Is
there
an
opportunity
that
exists?
Did
a
window
just
open
up,
and
he
said
I
don't
know-
and
I
said
I
also
don't
know,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
funding
that's
being
made
available
right
now
and
if
you
look
at
the
history
in
this
city,
we've
tried
a
lot
of
different
models:
we've
had
in-house
people,
we've
had
contract
lobbyists,
we've
had
kind
of
nothing
at
all.
A
J
U
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
so
I
I
spoke
to
this
earlier
today.
I'm
sorry
and
the
one
question
that
I
had
was
with
the
I
like
the
fact
that
you
know
the
services
we're
looking
to
partner
with
the
diversity
firm
as
it
was
labeled
in
the
in
the
packet,
but
when
I
went
to
try
to
find
the
firm
to
look
them
up
online
just
to
see
who
they
are
just
for
future
uses,
I
wasn't
able
to
to
find
them.
So
it
pointed
to
a
firm
in
it
was
out.
U
Was
there
at
the
committee,
I
mean
he
heard
the
concerns
and
then
the
other
question
that
I
had
was
with
our
current
staff
person
allison.
I
it
wasn't
clear
to
me:
what
is
the
distinction
between
her
role
as
a
legislative
liaison
and
what
this
specific
do
do,
although
our
city
manager
gave
a
very
clear
explanation,
it
was
still
unclear,
in
my
mind,
seemed
like
a
duplication.
I
guess
is
what
I
would
share.
A
V
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
I
initially
had
the
same
reaction
that
you
did
to
the
term
lobbyist,
because
I
wasn't
certain
what
we
would
how
we
would
necessarily
use
someone
in
that
capacity.
But
when
I
read
through
the
summary
of
this
and
read
the
memo
on
this,
I
mean
I
do
see
it.
V
H
V
Five
or
six
years,
and
it
made
an
enormous
difference
and
and
how
we,
the
city,
interacted
with
the
transit
agencies,
the
state
government,
the
federal
government
and
we
we
do
have
our
transit
mobility
coordinator,
who
serves
that
role,
which
has
we
definitely
need
all
the
time.
V
So
I
do
see
the
need
for
an
intergovernmental
affairs
person
who
is
out
there
scanning
the
landscape
in
terms
of
things
that
we
need
to
be
tuned
into
grants
being
a
contact
person
for
the
city.
When
we
had
our
prior
intergovernmental
affairs
officer,
we
had
so
much
more
information
about
what
was
going
on.
So
in
light
of
having
had
that
prior
experience,
that
was
someone
who
was
in
house.
A
And
I
would
just
add
you
know
I
mentioned
I've
been
on
a
whole
journey
on
this
issue.
One
thing
that
was
persuasive
to
me
is
that
this
will
wind
up
costing
under
half
what
was
paid
for
an
in-house
person
and
you
lose
something
but
yeah.
I
think
you
actually
gain
a
lot
too,
because
you
have
someone
who's
physically
in
springfield
on
the
critical
days,
every
single
time.
N
M
T
A
No
one
else
who
has
not
yet
spoken
is
requesting
to
speak,
so
we'll
go
back
to
folks
seeking
a
second
crack,
beginning
with
council
member
reid,
who
has
three
minutes
and
45
seconds
left.
J
Yeah,
you
know
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
for
now.
J
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
so
the
firms
that
okay,
so
there,
the
firms
that
applied
are
the
one
two
three
four
five
firms
here
for
this
is
this:
we
vetted
director
stone
back
manager,
stoneback
interim
deputy
manager,
stoneback.
Q
Evening
dave
stomach
interim
deputy
city
manager
and
yes,
we
received
the
five
proposals.
J
And
I'm
sorry,
how
did
I
see
that
one
council
member
who
was
on
the
committee
to
to
vet
these?
How
did
we
choose
that
council
member
and
why
I
wasn't.
I
don't
remember
this
being
proposed
to
all
of
the
council
to
serve
on
a
committee
that
would
vet
the.
Q
That
is
correct,
councilmember
suffernan
was
asked
to
participate
in
that
and
we
thought
it
would
be
good
because
of
his
experience
as
a
lobbyist.
J
I
personally
would
like
to
hold
this,
but
I
I
I'm
gonna
vote.
No,
I
guess
on
this,
and
I
would
like
to
see
those
regular
updates,
those
monthly
updates
to
really
see
what
value
we
are
getting
out
of
this,
and
you
know,
and
have
us
really
think
about
at
what
point
is
it
worth
actually
hiring
a
staff
member
who,
in
their
description,
it's
understood
that
they're
going
to
spend
part
of
their
year
in
springfield?
J
Just
like
some
of
these
folks,
I'm
sure
travel
back
and
forth
and
at
other
times
of
the
year
they
can
provide
when,
when
the
legislature
isn't
in
session
additional
services,
if
need
be
or
focus
on
something
else,
so
I
really
want
to
understand
what
value
we're
getting
out
of
it.
I
particularly
would
think
that
most
of
our
department
heads
if
this
role
is
purely
to
help
us
find
grant
opportunities
and
funding
opportunities.
J
I
would
think
each
department
would
have,
within
their
department
or
some
collective
source
within
the
city,
the
ability
to
follow
the
grants
related
to
their
own
field
and
be
able
to
to
pull
those
grants
and
understand
how
to
access
those
funds.
I
mean.
That's
why
we
pay
a
lot
for
both
membership
in
the
illinois
municipal
league.
J
We
pay
for
professional
membership
for
just
about
every
department
head
in
their
department
to
be
in
various
leagues
that
keep
them
on
the
forefront
of
what's
going
on
in
their
industry,
and
I
just
I
I
do
wonder
what
we're
getting
out
of
this,
that
we
wouldn't
get
out
of
those
services,
and
so
I'm
hoping
to
be
delight.
Delighted
delightfully
surprised
so
looking
forward
to
those
reports.
A
R
Thanks,
I
I
I
just
would
point
out
that
april
8th
is
a
scheduled
adjournment,
so
holding
it
would
be
unwise,
and
I
again
I
would
just
emphasize
this
is
much
more
cost
effective
than
having
an
in-house
employee,
and
I
think
it's
just
a
really
wise
investment.
A
U
Thank
you
mayor.
I
was
trying
to
pull
up
the
packet.
I
I'm
less
inclined
to
support
just
the
lobbyists
downstate
just
for
the
whole
reasons
that
were
labeled
but
council.
Member
win
did
bring
up
a
good
point
that
I
do
see
value
in
and
that's,
if
someone's
specifically
dedicated
to
the
intergovernmental
role
that
we
that
we've
had
previously.
So
if
we
incorporated
this
within
that,
I
see
more
value
in
that
versus
someone
going
downstate
just
to
lobby
on
things
when
there's
really
no
clear
idea
of
what
that
would
look
like
for
my
lens.
U
C
So
it
appears
that
the
winning
bidder
would
partner
with
the
carson
group,
doing
business
as
carson
group
solutions
and
they
are
an
mbe
firm,
that
is
at
least
51
percent
managed
and
controlled
by
a
minority
certified
by
a
certifying
agency
within
illinois.
I
believe
they
were
certified
by
cook
county
and
they
are
located.
11
east
hubbard
street.
U
M
You,
mr
mayor
with
the
scope
of
work
of
this
lobbyist,
be
limited
to
the
legislative
branch
in
springfield,
or
would
they
also
be
interacting
with
state
agencies
in
the
executive
branch?
I'm
thinking
of
a
concrete
example
in
my
ward,
where
somebody
who
has
some
insight
to
the
illinois
department
of
public
health
might
be
useful.
A
No,
so,
first
of
all
the
answer
to
your
question
is
the
the
scope
would
not
be
limited
at
all
to
the
legislative
branch.
In
fact,
it
wouldn't
really
be
focused,
even
primarily
on
the
legislative
branch.
That
would
certainly
include
that-
and
I
would
I
would
just
respond
to
this
in
in
in
the
spirit
of
councilmember
braithwaite's,
a
very
important
point-
that
the
scope
would
also
not
be
limited
exclusively
to
springfield
either.
You
know
this.
A
This
is
somebody
the
point
of
hiring
somebody
is
to
manage
our
intergovernmental
effort
and
be
our
eyes
and
ears
with
the
various
other
governments
with
which
we
interact.
A
A
J
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
I
mean
given
even
the
questions
that
I
think
council
member
fade,
has
good
question
just
wanting
to
see
their
website
and
it
seems
like
there
may
be
something
kind
of
incorrect
there.
If
we
can't
even
do
a
basic
vetting,
I
hear
councilmember
suffered
in
saying
that
the
end
of
session
is
april
8th,
but
I
also
wonder,
given
that
the
end
of
session
is
april
8th.
J
What
are
we
going
to
get
in
a
month
if
we
engage
them
today,
and
so
would
it
really
hurt
to
hold,
or
is
this
kind
of
the
best
time
to
hold
it
given
that
session
is
about
to
be
over?
So
I,
before
I
make
the
motion
to
hold
councilmember.
Stefan,
if
you
have
a
response
to
that,
that
will
influence,
but.
J
All
right:
well,
then,
then,
I'm
gonna
move
to
hold
it
until
our
next
meeting,
because
I'd
love
to
get
more
information
about
this
group
and
really
have
a
deeper
understanding
of
the
need,
in
particular,
I'd
love
to
see
a
contract
come
back
as
well.
The
actual
scope
of
work.
A
S
So
I
brought
up
some
questions
about
this
that,
were,
you
know,
partially
answered,
but
I
still
have
some
questions,
so
this
is
probably
an
excess
of
100
000
a
year,
for
you
know
a
lot
of
which
involves
permitting,
and
I
guess
I
just
didn't-
we
recently
a
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
hire
baker
tilly
to
do
a
an
assessment
of
personnel,
and
I'm
only
asking
because
I
wonder
if
this
would
not
be
better
spent
well
at
least
looking
at.
S
C
S
By
july,
so
my
question
is:
would
we
not
be
more
effective
in
hiring
somebody
rather
than
farming
out
a
hundred
thousand
dollars?
I
mentioned
a
lot
of
that.
You
know
that
I'm
sure
this
firm
does
does
in
essence
find
work
but
they're
located
far
away.
So
I
would
I've
seen
myself
mistakes
on
permits
and
again
no
fault
of
theirs.
S
They
have
no
way
to
know
whether
things
are,
for
example,
whether
there's
inaccurate
information
based
on
a
property
owner,
for
example,
in
town,
because
they're
hours
away,
and
so
I
just
I
I'm
I'd
like
to
consider
whether
it
might
not
be
worth
seeing
the
baker
tilly
report
to
then
assess
whether
we'd
in
fact
do
a
better
job
if
we
hired
somebody,
albeit
for
yes,
for
more
money
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
all
told,
but
that
we
might
do
a
better
job
and
be
more
effective
in
serving
our
residents.
W
Good
evening
johanna
naden
community
obama
director,
so
we
have
tried
to
years
ago
we've
tried
to
recruit
for
this
position
but
have
been
unable
to
find
anyone.
This
is,
if
you
talk
to
people
in
hr.
This
is
one
of
the
hardest
positions
to
recruit
for
you,
you
need
specific
credentials.
Certifications.
W
Often,
these
these
individuals
have
training
and
architecture.
So
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
these
people
right
now,
particularly
in
a
market
that
is
strong
in
the
in
development.
Where,
because
those
positions
might
they
might
work
in
contracting?
So
it's
always
hard
to
find
this
position.
The
person
who
had
been
holding
it.
If
you
remember
dean
mosca
had
been
here
close
to,
I
think,
30
years
he
had
a
horrible
accident
and
ended
up
having
to
retire.
W
So
we
have
been
unable
to
fill
that
position,
so
we
prior
to
dean's
dean's
retirement
we
had
been
using
safeguard
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
know
is
a
big
problem
is
when
somebody
takes
it
takes
time
off
or
is
on.
Vacation
permits
still
come
in
and
they
still
need
to
get
processed.
So
safe
belt
has
always
been
used.
W
Even
before
I
was
in
this
position.
Stateful
was
used
as
a
backstop
to
help
with
inspections.
They
can
do
inspections
when
we
have
inspectors
out
and
they
can
do
plan
review
work
so,
prior
to
the
pandemic.
The
plan
reviewer
was
on
site
here
at
the
civic
center
because
we
were
doing
paper
copies
of
plans.
Now
we
do
digital
copies
of
plans
so
they're
routed
electronically
and
that
person
does
not
come
into
the
civic
center.
W
We
have
talked
about
that
person
returning
into
the
civic
center
that
staff
has
come
back
into
the
building,
so
we
have
not
filled
the
plan
reviewer
in-house
position.
We've
we've
continued
to
stay
filled
because
they
can
also,
if,
if
that
particular
state
built
inspect
plan,
review,
that's
assigned
to
the
city
is
out
safe
built
will
have
somebody
as
the
backup.
W
So,
unlike
a
staff
member
who
might
take
vacation,
we
at
one
point
we
had
two
plan
reviewers
we
have
zero,
but
and
those
planner
viewers
could
back
each
other
up
and
save
bill
could
also
provide
a
backstop.
So
this
comes
down
to
making
sure
we
have
coverage
with
our
plan
review
activities
for
building
code.
We
just
don't
have
have
that
if
we
have
full-time
staff.
W
S
S
Okay,
we
have
no
plan
reviewers,
so
I
just
I
mean
I
guess
I'll
be
curious
to
see
what
baker
tiller
report
says
in
terms
of
that,
and
I
just
wonder
if
we
really
want
if
we
aren't,
if
it
wouldn't
be
worth
our
us
right
now,
we're
making
an
effort
to
try
to.
We
aren't
trying
to
we're
just
going
straight
to
outsourcing
correct
right.
So.
W
S
I
mean
I
would
rather
see
somebody
in-house
doing
this
just
because
again,
these
are
folks
located.
Not
you
know,
since
hours
away
and
when
I
spoke
to
one
of
them
he's
like
yeah.
You
know
this
is
all
I
can
do,
there's
no
way
that
I
could
even
go
drive
over
to
see.
If
you
know,
someone
in
fact
was
replacing
an
existing
fence
where
they
said
they
had
one
where
there
wasn't
one.
S
So
I
just
and
I
understand
I
know,
then
you
go
out
and
permit,
but
I
think
that
we
would
do
a
much
more
efficient
and
effective
and
we
could
scrutinize
permit
applications
better.
So
I
don't
know.
Maybe
that
can't
happen.
I
don't
know
if
it's
being
modified,
it's
just
it's
a
lot
of
money
again
I
I
wish
we
could
hire
someone
yeah
and.
W
W
S
I
mean,
but
if
you
hadn't
in
all
these
cases,
residents
were
upset
about
it,
I
mean
there
could
be
if
there
was
an
application
you
go
over
and
see
if
they're
saying
no,
this
is
a
replay.
You
know.
I
just
think
you
have
a
better
ability
to
ensure
a
more
accurate
process
if
it's
in-house,
but
I
understand,
if
we
well.
N
W
S
Okay,
well,
at
any
rate,
I
guess
I
don't
know
where
we
would
go
from
here.
I
would
rather
see
somebody
in-house.
I
think,
we'll
do
a
better
job
with
it,
then
and
and
again
they're
doing
a
fine
job
for
what
they
do.
He
says
we
just
simply
cross-check
the
city
code
against
the
permit.
That's
all
we
do
out
here
and
so
and
then
things
fall
through
the
crack.
S
I
think
much
more
than
I
would
if
it
were
done
here,
but
so
I
I
don't
have
a
proposal,
although
I
would
rather
see
us
doing
this
in-house
so,
but
and
I'm
also
I'm
curious
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
money
we're
allocating
what
baker
I
mean
I'd.
Rather
I
don't
know
if
we
can
hold
this.
I
guess
it
won't
be
until
you
said
july,
right.
W
The
agreement
ends
so
we
don't.
This
is
an
extension
of
the
contract,
so
unless
you
all
want
to
have
more
emails
about
permit
process.
S
H
V
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
ms
knighton.
I
I
I
wanted
to
ask
just
the
about
the
numbers
of
permit
requests
that
we've
had
this
year
compared
to
last
year
compared
to
let's
say,
2018.,.
W
I
don't
have
those
numbers
right
in
front
of
me,
but
you
know
they
every
year
is
a
little
different.
Something
happens
that
that
upticks,
something
we've
seen
more
people
anecdotally,
we've
seen
more
people
in
the
past
two
years,
take
on
those
bathroom
and
kitchen
rehabs
the
decks
and
patios
or
fences
because
they're
in
their
homes
and
they're
spending
more
time.
W
They're
also
again,
anecdotally
we're
seeing
people
do
things
themselves,
so
they're
their
own
gc,
so
they're
they're
getting
in
the
weeds
on
building
permit
processes
which
provides
which
we
need
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
technical
assistance
to
help
them
through
the
process
than
you
might
get.
If
you
had
a
contractor,
who
knows
pull
this
permit,
pull
this
front
filled
out.
Fill
this
out.
It's
a
lot
of
individuals
who
are
dabbling
as
general
contractors.
W
So
it's
all
I
mean
it's
all
sort
of
snowballed
in
2020
when
we
had
that
horrible
hail
storm
with
the
roofing
and
the
roofing
permits
were
out
of
control
and
we
had
virtually
no
permit
desk
staff.
So
while
those
don't
require
permit
reviews
or
plan
plan
reviews,
there's
just
it's
been
a
hard
catch-up
sense.
Yeah.
V
Well,
I
I'll
say
to
the
rest
of
the
council
that
I
have
a
new
roof
as
a
result
of
that
hail
storm
that
we
have
used
safe,
built
before
very,
very
very
successfully
when
we've
had
various
staff
members
who
aren't
available
or
we've
had
surges
of
plan
reviews
that
needed
to
be
needed
to
happen.
I
my
memory
is
when
northwestern
was
building
quite
a
bit.
We
use
them.
V
So
I
don't
as
much
as
I
agree
with
you
councilmember
kelly,
that
it
would
be
good
to
have
someone
on
staff,
but
if
baker
tilly
can't
get
back
to
us
by
july,
it's
not
possible.
I
mean
we.
This
is
the
season
when
everyone
is
putting
in
their
their
perm
building
permits.
I
told
my
constituents
at
my
january
town
hall
meeting
to
get
their
permits
in
as
soon
as
possible
because
it
was
going
to
be
tough.
V
This
was
going
to
be
a
busy
year,
so
we
need
to
have
those
permits
processed
and
if,
if
it
turns
out,
we
can
hire
someone
permanently
for
this.
That
would
be
great,
but
until
then.
W
We
do
have
seasonal
help
or
some
seasonal
temporary
short-term
help
in
the
form
of
a
former
plan
reviewer
who
came
out
of
retirement
to
assist
so
that
person
is
an
evanston
resident.
He
did
the
job
previously.
So
he
has
some
experience
with
his
institutional
memory
that
we
gained
from
that,
but
he's
not
a
full-time
staff
member.
He
sort
of
pinch
hits
here
and
there.
V
J
Yeah,
just
two
very
quick
questions:
one:
what
is
the
average
sal
full
full
compensation,
salary,
full
compensation
for
a
plan,
reviewer.
W
I
don't
I
I
think
I
mean
that's
where
the
class
and
comp
study
might
come
in
handy
is
to
understand
what
that
should
be,
because
my
impression
from
looking
at
other
communities
that
have
a
staff
that
it's
more
and
that
ours
was
probably
lower,
and
that
was
the
feedback
I
got
when
we
had
recruited
for
the
position
in
the
past
was
that
it
was
too
low.
J
Okay
and
then
certainly
I'm
interested
in
the
same
data
that
council
member,
when
just
to
see
how
many
requests
per
per
year
for
a
solid
period
of
time,
and
then
certainly
I
I
you
know,
I
agree
with
councilmember
kelly
that
I
think
at
some
point.
You
know
once
if
our
contract,
if
we're
spending
150
000
a
year,
maybe
then
it
really
would
be
time
to
look
at.
J
You
know
whether
or
not
we
need
to
hire
someone
on
staff,
and
you
know
compare
that
with
how
much
work
they're
doing
and
whether
it's
feasible
for
someone.
So
I
think
we
we
do
want
to
keep
track
of
that,
and
so
you
know
at
some
point.
Maybe
there
is
enough
work
to
just
hire
someone
it's
worth
it.
J
So
if,
if
we
can
figure
out
what
that
range
is
once
we
start
hitting
a
certain
amount,
when
it
just
makes
sense
to
hire
someone,
I
think
we
should
just
keep
that
in
mind
other
than
that.
Oh
last,
last
question
is
what
kind
of-
and
I
am
fully
going
into
this
blind-
I'm
not
super
familiar
with
this.
I've
never
owned
a
house,
nor
have
I
had
remodeling
done
to
the
house
that
I
did
not
own,
but
I
am
curious.
Is
there
a
technology
solution?
Is
there?
J
W
W
A
Seeing
no
further
discussion
will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll
customer.
A
J
I
move
approval
of
change
order
number
one
with
the
change
order,
number
one
to
the
contract
with
garland,
doing
business,
garland
dbs
inc
for
the
civic
center
gutter
assessment
and
repairs
our.
A
M
X
Sure
my
name
is
laura
biggs,
I'm
the
city
engineer,
so
we
contracted
last
fall
with
aecom
to
do
a
feasibility
study
for
the
police
fire
headquarters
in
the
civic
center
to
relocate
versus
the
cost
of
staying
here.
They
have
been
gathering
information,
interviewing
city,
council,
members
and
staff
to
determine
what
sort
of
footprint
we
actually
need
to
have
and
what
sort
of
things
are
deal
breakers
for
the
contract.
X
So
that
system
is
pretty
well
out
of
warranty
for
any
issues
that
we
might
be
having
now
and
then
recently
last
week,
or
so
we
noticed
that
there's
a
location
where
there's
some
brick,
one
of
the
the
outermost
brick
facade,
is
starting
to
in
one
location.
On
the
fourth
floor,
it's
bowing
out
from
the
other
underlying
brick
wall.
X
We
don't
have
very
good
drawings
of
when
this
building
was
built
and
we
didn't
own
it
as
the
city
of
evanston
when
it
was
built,
but
the
staff
estimates
that
it's
essentially
a
masonry
structure
that
has
maybe
four
layers
of
bricks
vertically
inclined,
and
that
goes
all
the
way
to
the
top
of
the
fourth
floor.
So,
on
the
fourth
floor,
the
outermost
layer
is
starting
to
separate
brick.
Buildings
of
this
age
typically
are
not
physically
connected
between
the
different
layers.
X
X
No
this
week,
mixing
up
my
weeks
later
this
week
on
wednesday,
we're
having
architect
and
structural
engineer
coming
to
inspect
for
the
other
water
leaking
problem
and
we're
gonna
have
an
aerial,
lift
on
site,
so
they're
going
to
inspect
this
area
as
well
and
give
us
a
good
assessment
about
what
needs
to
be
done.
M
X
We
are,
I
mean
we
haven't,
really
put
any
money
into
it.
That's
part
of
the
issue,
so
since
2000,
when
they
started
really
looking
at,
should
we
stay?
Should
we
move
out
of
this
building,
we
have
done
some
very
limited
capital.
Investment
we've
replaced
the
roof
in
2010
at
1.7
million
we've
upgraded,
two
of
the
men's
washrooms
on
the
third
and
fourth
floor
and
we've
refurbished
the
elevators.
X
Our
facility
staff
has
done
some
in-house
stuff
as
well
to
renovate
individual
spaces,
but
you
know
even
20
years
is
a
long
time
to
go
without
investing
in
all
the
building
systems
that
we
have.
This
building
is
larger
than
our
capacity.
It's
a
local
landmark,
so
everything
has
to
be
done
in
a
historically
thoughtful
way
and
we
pay
for
that
excess
stuff,
whether
it's
access
space
or
it's
having
a
historic
building
or.
M
X
I
mean
most
likely
they're
going
to
do
a
look
at
the
condition
of
the
systems
and
then
come
up
with
kind
of
a
square
foot,
repair
cost
or
replacement
costs
to
renovate
based
on
the
size
of
the
building.
It's
so
they'll
get
a
good
handle
on
what
the
like
does.
The
system
need
to
be
fixed?
Does
it
not
need
to
be
fixed
and
then
they'll
use
kind
of
square
foot
numbers
to
round
out
their
calculations,
which
I
think
is
very
similar
to
what
was
done
in
2003?
X
S
So
yeah,
I
agree
with
ms
biggs
that
part
of
the
problem
is
basically
from
just
deferring
some
sort
of
basic
maintenance,
like
I
think
this
gutter
situation
was
discovered
over
a
year
ago,
so
it
becomes
worse
and
more
expensive.
So
I
think
that
has
to
absolutely
be
taken
into
account.
S
X
Even
if
we
wore
the
contract,
will
the
contractor
come
back
and
say:
oh,
I
thought
I
mean
I
ordered
place
the
order,
but
now
it
turns
out
everything's
delayed,
so
we're
struggling
with
a
lot
of
these
things,
and
I
think,
as
I
talk
to
other
people
in
the
engineering
industries
and
the
architectural
industries,
these
are
really
common
problems
right
now.
The
city
of
evanston
is
not
alone
in
this,
and
then,
when
you
couple
that
with
inflation
rising,
it's
really
a
struggle.
X
But
you
know
when
20
years
ago
that
some
of
these
things
might
have
been
just
like
basic
maintenance.
But
at
this
point
like
when
we
talk
about
the
hvac
system,
distribution
piping,
that's
embedded
in
the
walls
has
to
be
removed
because
it
has
been
so
far
from
being
maintained.
So
these
will
be
pretty
serious
projects
when
we
undertake
them.
S
But,
for
example,
this
was
discovered
right
over
a
year
ago,
the
issue
that
we're
talking
about
now
and
we've
gone
through
two
winners.
Now,
so
the
problem's
been
greatly
exacerbated.
So
I
think
it's
about
really
keeping
up
with
like
this,
like
the
gutter
situation,
keeping
up
with
it
as
quickly
as
we
can.
J
I
think
of
the
last
person
I'll
just
close,
and
please
forgive
me
if
I
blinked-
and
this
was
set
already,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear.
So
this
change
order
is
for
200
000.
X
T
L
U
I'm
sorry
two
actual
reports.
First,
thank
you,
dave
darrell
for
the
presentation
at
my
ward
meeting,
just
regarding
the
longer
discussion
we
had
apnw
regarding
all
the
resources
that
are
available
now
for
residents
who
struggle
to
pay
the
water
bill,
and
then
I
also
had
an
opportunity
this
past
weekend
to
attend
the
mayor's
summer.
U
V
M
M
At
robert
crown
and
I'd
also
just
like
to
thank
the
more
than
200
community
members
who
came
out
yesterday
evening
for
a
community
meeting,
I
appreciated
the
robust
conversation
we
had
on
margarita
n,
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
that
were
made
and
you
know
I
would
like
to
assure
the
participants
in
the
community
that
comments
have
been
received
and
and
are
being,
I
heard
the
comments
and
we're
taking
them
into
consideration.
O
Yeah,
the
next
few
floor
meeting
will
be
virtual
after
that,
we'll
likely
try
to
go
back
to
in-person
war
meetings,
that'll
be
on
this
month
on
the
31st.
7
p.m,
we'll
be
sending
a
newsletter
out
shortly,
and
I
don't
think
they've
voted
yet.
O
But
I
do
want
to
you
know
mark
that
this
is
likely
to
be
a
really
historic
day
for
the
city
of
evanston
and
that
district
65
is
considering
a
a
proposal,
and
one
of
the
outcomes
of
of
of
this
agenda
being
approved
would
be
the
building
a
fifth
ward
school
in
in
in
the
city
in
the
10th
district
that
we
just
created
and
for
those
who
are
aware
of
that,
there
was
a
foster
school,
was
closed
down
in
late
60s
and
since
then,
we've
been
bussing
several
hundred
students
only
out
of
the
fifth
ward
in
order
to
integrate
our
school
system-
and
I
think,
what's
important
for
this
body
to
acknowledge
and
really
confront
and
and
take
hold
of,
is
that
we
we
shouldn't,
put
integrating
our
school
system
on
the
backs
of
students
and
on
the
back
of
one
neighborhood.
O
That
is
really
up
to
this
body.
To
figure
out
how
we
can
achieve
an
integrated
school
system
by
having
integrated
neighborhoods-
and
I
think
that
has
everything
to
do
with
public
poly
policy,
especially
as
it
relates
to
the
type
of
development
we
allow
in
different
neighborhoods,
so
really
excited
about
this
again,
I
don't
think
the
vote
has
has
been
called
yet,
but
from
because
I've
been
a
part
of
the
process.
I
think
we
have
the
vote,
so
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
this
historic
day.
O
I
was
also
at
the
the
mayor's
summer
youth
jobs
program.
It
was
a
success.
It
was
wonderful
to
see
people
suited
and
booted
in
in
purple
blazers
and
nice
fedoras,
and
these
are
young
people
that
came
prepared
to
interview
at
a
lot
of
different
employers.
So
it
was
great
to
see
them
great
to
see
the
employers
there
great
to
see
the
city
there
and
and
other
partners
from
around
the
community
offering
job
opportunities
for
young
folks.
O
So
shout
out
to
the
youth
and
young
adult
development
team
and
and
audrey
thompson
and
and
everyone
else.
That
was
a
part
of
putting
that
together,
and
I
think,
after
talking
to
her
that
actually
is
the
largest
turnout.
It
was
over
700
folks
that
that
were
there
and
I'm
pretty
sure
that
was
their
largest
turnout
to
date.
So
congratulations
on
the
job
well
done.
O
I
want
to
also
make
it
clear
that
the
city
of
evanston
did
not
cut
down
any
trees
on
private
property.
The
city
of
evanston
did
not
cut
down
trees
on
private
property,
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
to
talk
about
that
with
anybody
individually
to
let
you
know
what
would
happen
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me,
and
that
is
all
thank
you,
oh
and
I
guess
this
is
a
question
in
a
statement,
but
I
was
would
have
been
happy
to
vote
no
on
the
bills
list.
O
My
understanding
is
that
the
200
was
already
paid
by
the
city
and
that
the
donuts
and
coffee
were
already
in
bellies,
and
so
I
didn't
really
understand
what
I
was
voting
for.
You
know
I'm
happy
to
set
a
policy
that
if
someone
is
not
cooperating
with
the
ongoing
investigation
that
we
don't
send
them,
we
don't
pay
for
their
fail
well,
but
I
felt
it
was
a
symbolic
gesture
at
best
and
unless
I'm
missing
something,
that's
that's
the
only
reason
why
I
voted
eye
on
the
bills
list.
Thank
you.
O
T
J
Yeah,
I
just
first
want
to
acknowledge
the
a
tragic
tragic
death
of
a
resident
in
the
eighth
ward
on
brummel.
I
think
it
was
this
weekend
or
within
the
last
week,
since
the
last
time
we
met
who's
a
87
year
old
man
who
died
in
a
house
fire,
and
so
I
just
want
us
to.
J
Check
on
you,
I
mean
the
gentleman
had
a
spouse
who
also
lived
there,
but
check
on
let's
check
on
our
neighbors,
especially
those
who
are
senior
citizens,
and
you
know
thank
you
to
the
fire
department
who
did
the
very
best
that
they
can
to
ensure
you
know
that
the
damage
was
as
minimized
as
possible.
Although
this
is
one
of
the
worst
outcomes
that
we
can
imagine.
J
With
that,
I
also
want
to
as
always
announce
that
we'll
have
a
ward
meeting
on
the
last
thursday
of
the
month,
which
this
month,
I
believe,
is
the
last
thursday
of
the
month.
I
don't
know
the
day
right
now.
We
used
to
have
a
calendar
on
the
wall
right
there,
it's
wally's
thing
so
we'll
have
a
meeting
on
the
last
thursday
at
6
p.m.
It'll
be
virtual
and
so
you'll
be
able
to
find
that
information
online.
J
I
also
want
to
acknowledge.
I
mean
that
the
school
in
the
fifth
ward
isn't
just
a
fifth
ward
accomplishment.
It's
a
city-wide
accomplishment.
I
was
a
kid
who
was
bussed
from
the
fifth
ward
to
the
seventh
ward
to
orrington
elementary
school,
and
I
loved
my
days
at
orrington
and
being
able
to
walk
down
to
the
lakefront
occasionally.
J
But
a
school
in
a
neighborhood
is
is,
is
critical
to
the
foundation
of
building
a
strong
community,
and
the
fifth
ward
deserves
its
home
school
and,
as
council
member
byrne
said,
that
is
now
on
us
to
figure
out
how
to
integrate
the
rest
of
our
community,
and
I
think
zoning
is
the
place
to
start
as
we
are
moving
forward
with
this.
J
L
So
as
soon
as
I
figure
out
how
to
send
out
a
newsletter,
I
will
send
one
out,
please
sign
up,
I'm
looking
to
have
a
virtual
award
meeting
on
the
26th
of
march.
S
I
apologize.
I
have
to
postpone
this
week's
ward
meeting
from
thursday
to
next
week,
so
I
will
send
out
a
notice
this
week.
I
need
to
take
the
eths
debate
team
to
the
state
tournament
this
weekend,
so
I'll
send
out
a
notice
of
the
award
meeting,
as
well
as
several
other
upcoming
community
meeting
meetings
this
week.
Thank
you.
M
A
B
A
With
nine
voting
in
favor
and
none
voting
against
the
motion
passes
and
at
7
39
pm,
the
city
council
resolves
itself
into
an
executive
session
to
begin
immediately
in
the
adjoining
library.