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A
A
All
right,
all
right,
all
right,
okay,
I
was
gonna
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
okay.
So
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
all
right.
So
do
you
want
to
present
it.
A
Oh
okay,
so
where's
the
speaker
all
right,
sign-in
sheet,
where's
Kelly!
Don't
oh.
A
E
Ahead:
okay,
so
yes,
I'm
representing
the
dempster
dodge
business
district
and
the
Asbury
dodge
Neighborhood
Association,
and
we
only
found
out
that
you
were
gonna
be
discussing
this
tonight.
So
that's
why
I'm
it's
I'm
representing
everybody!
There
are
lots
of
other
folks
that
would
be
here
with
me.
We
want
to
support
the
request
by
our
business
neighbors,
who
are
hoping
to
open
restaurant
in
the
old
Kurtz.
Cafe,
that's
been
empty
now
for
many
many
months
and
we
met
with
them.
The
business
district
folks
met
with
them
when
they
first
presented
the
idea.
E
Everyone
was
very
excited
and
we're
very
the
neighborhood's
continually
been
asking
me
when
are
they
opening
so
we're
very
happy
that
they
are
planning
to
open
and
my
understanding
is?
There
are
some
unexpected
expenses
that
have
come
up
in
the
process,
so
they're
coming
to
you
for
some
help.
So
I
want
to
add,
though,
that
I'm
Peter
and
I
talked
about
this.
Today
there
was
a
shooting
on
that
block
on
Friday
night
at
the
barber
shop
and
I
and
I
do
understand
that
it
was
random.
A
F
E
There
were
three
right,
so
my
understanding
is,
it
was
a
random
shooting
it
wasn't.
It
wasn't
targeted
at
the
barbershop,
but
yeah
a
young
man,
that's
not
from
Evanston
Peter
can
probably
fill
you
and
the
police
can
fill
you
in.
But
my
point
is:
when
Kurtz
was
there
for
all
those
years,
that
was
an
act
of
black
I
mean
Hart
was
across
the
street.
There
are
hundreds
of
people
going
into
heartwood
all
the
time,
but
with
Katt
with
the
cafe
it
was
a
busy
block
and
so
the
fact
that
that
particular
locations
have
been
empty.
E
E
Had
there
been
activity
because
people
coming
into
a
restaurant,
it
shows
that
people
are
living
there
and
working
there
and
active,
so
I
would
urge
you
to
support
the
request
from
our
business
neighbors,
who
are
going
to
speak
to
you
I'm
sure
about
it
and
help
them
in
any
way
that
you
can,
because
it
will
help
the
neighborhood
and
the
business
district.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
very
much
all
right.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
I'm,
not
sure
I'm
going
to
kill
this
or
not,
but
then
till
leaves
request
for
financial
assistance
there
asking
for
tax
increment
financing
funds
from
the
West
Evanston
TIF
in
the
amount
of
twenty
four
thousand
two
hundred
dollars,
based
on
the
fact
that
when
they
started
to
have
the
professionals
in
there
with
equipment,
they
found
that
the
floor.
Evidently
it
appeared
to
be
rotting
from
Miss
bad
maintenance
whatever
and
the
the
new
equipment
would
not.
A
A
And
this
banter
could
go
on
all
night
long,
but
well
we
won't.
This
is
all
about.
This
is
all
about
Marcus.
Do
you
want
to
come
up
here
and
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
the
concept,
because
there's
not
much
about
that
here
and
I?
Think
we'd
love
to
hear
about
it
and
and
I'd
like
to
hear
some
real
serious
talk
about
your
timing,
because
this
has
been
like
dick
else
ed.
This
been
empty
way
too
long
since
you
signed
release.
Yes,.
G
H
G
So
you
know
we
are
initial
timeframe
was
to
be
open
by
November.
First,
we
thought
we
were
just
going
to
go
in.
There
paint
some
walls,
you
know
change
out
some
bathroom
fixtures
or
whatnot
and
the
you
know
the
biggest
thing
was
put
in
the
kitchen,
so
we
started
buying
everything
that
we
needed,
and
then
we
had
a
professional
go
in
there
to
see
what
it
was
gonna
be
to
install
everything
and
when
he
went
in
there
he
saw
the
you
know.
G
Then
that
was
in
the
kitchen
area
in
there
kind
of
like
bar
area,
they
had
in
the
special
machine
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
the
the
area
which
was
connected
to
two
plumbing.
It
was,
you
know,
water,
and
that
was
not
done
correctly.
So
I
had
been
leaking,
for
god
knows
how
long
in
that
right
of
the
way,
all
those
floors
as
as
well
so
we
tried
speaking
to
the
landlord
since
it
is
his
building,
and
you
know
he
would
be
the
one
who
would
actually
be
a
benefit.
G
Obviously
we
would
with
this
table
floor,
but
it's
his
building
and
he
said
he's
not
in
a
position
right
now
to
invest
any
money
into
the
building
and
hence
that's.
Why
he's
not
giving
us
any?
You
know
we
said
okay.
Well,
maybe
you
know
if
we
can
work
something
out
where
we
know
grant
or
something
he's?
No,
you
know
the
bank's
not
waiting
for
for
mortgage
payment
right.
G
She's,
like
you
know,
you've
got
a
pay
rent,
so
you
know
we've
been
paying
rent
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
our
next
step
is
and
that
kind
of
put
us
back.
You
know
we
budgeted.
Obviously
you
you
know
when
you,
when
you're
going
into
a
project
you
budget
for
unexpected
circumstances,
but
nobody's
you
know,
we
didn't,
expect
the
whole
flooring
to
kind
of
be
in
that
condition,
so
that
that,
let's
put
us
back
as
far
as
concept
is
concerned,
you
know
we
are
going
to
be
casual
kind
of
a
street
food
Street
Mexican
food.
G
So
if
you
look
at
had
tacos-
and
you
know
like
close
and
it's
it's
stuff-
you
don't
really
hear
it's
like.
You
know
usually
used
to
burritos
or
enchiladas
just,
and
so
it's
not
going
to
be
anything
like
that.
It's
gonna
be
more
traditional
Street
food.
We
do
have
a
liquor
license,
so
we
will
have
liquor
as
well,
and
you
know,
since
my
partner's
an
artist
and
he's
been
involved
in
a
lot
of
projects
here
and
I
would
say:
Nia
has
strong
ties
to
the
community.
G
We're
also
going
to
be
incorporating
art
with
it
in
one
of
his
major
plans
is
to
do
have
different
art
projects
with
the
different
schools,
and
you
know
the
the
youths
in
the
neighborhood
he's
worked
with
with
youth
throughout
the
city
he's
also
traveled.
Throughout
the
country
and
and
different
projects,
so
that's
gonna
be
a
big
part
of
what
we're
doing
as
well.
As
being
you
know,
very
community
focus,
that's
that's
kind
of
you
know
what,
but
our
what
our
deal
is.
He's
he's.
You
know,
grassroots.
G
You
know
community
artists
and
we
want
to
incorporate
that
along
with
our
food
and
and
and
then
neighborhood-
and
you
know,
I
know
that
mentioned
about
the
shooting,
and
you
know
the
the
area
that
doesn't
you
know
we
that's
not
something.
That's
gonna,
you
know
deter
us
or,
on
the
contrary,
you
know
we
we
hope
to
help.
You
know
yeah
what
we
can
there
and
bring
it
up,
and
we
I
mean
for
me
personally
when
I
opened
Las
Palmas
in
Wicker
Park
before
I
was
you
know
where
it's
at
now?
G
There
were
shootings
there
and
there
was.
It
was
a
bad
neighborhood,
but
with
you
know,
with
the
help
of
the
community
and
and
the
businesses
you,
you
know
we're
super
worker
parks.
You
know
at
now
it's
one
of
the
most
sought
after
and
and
I'm
sure
you
know,
with
the
help
of
computer
community,
like
we've
seen
they're
very
involved,
and
we
have
heartwood
across
the
street
that
you
know
we
can
build
that
up
as
well.
And
you
know
we
are
we
plan
on
being
there
for
a
while
and
and
helping
out
so.
G
If
we
can
get
these
these
floors
figure
it
out,
we
have
everything
else
ready
to
go.
You
know,
I
would
say
a
month
a
month
and
a
half
tops.
We
already
have
the
the
the
contractor.
You
know
lined
up
in
soon
as
we
can
get
everything
ready
with
just
a
matter
of
getting
the
permits
and
possibly
the
head.
A
G
C
Ahead
and
no
make
a
copy
when
you're
fun
just
really
quick.
First
I
wanna
thank
to
Cal
for
coming
out
source
notice.
I
think
you
know
our
traditional
path.
When
we
look
to
do
public
funding,
we
try
to
get
the
businesses
in
front
of
Ward
and
they
they
have
come
out
and
I.
Think
it's
pretty
admirable
this
sexually.
C
You
took
just
the
investment
in
that
that
facility,
because
I
think
we've
had
pick
a
cop
curse
that
there
have
been
like
two
or
three
businesses
that
had
taken
attempt
to
to
work
out
of
that
space,
but
they
were
limited
because
there
wasn't
the
proper
kitchen
in
there
to
really
get
a
full-blown
restaurant.
So
I
think
that
that's
great
and
I
think
your
investment
in
terms
of
building
community
is
spot-on.
C
I
mean
we
have
a
large
spanish-speaking
community,
all
along
Dodge
and
I,
think
that
your
business
will
be
not
only
the
space
that
they
need,
but
also
like
an
ambassador
in
in
bringing
additional
people
there.
So
I'm
really
really
excited
I'm
looking
forward
to
supporting
it,
and
you
will
definitely
contribute
to
that
that
neighborhood
I
want
to
personally
thank
Paulina
for
all
your
help,
because
you've
kept
me
updated
with
everything
Paul
for
bringing
it
to
the
table.
So
this
is
the
type
of
mix
just
for
those
that
it
only
can't
see
it.
C
You
know
they're
investing
75%
and
the
TIF
fund
makes
up
the
out
of
25,
which
is
a
night
healthy
balance
that
we're
used
to
seeing
in
front
of
this
committee.
So
thank
you
stay
connected
to
our
staff
and,
if
there's
anything
that
I
could
personally
do
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
to
Nick
you're
appreciated.
Yes,
sir.
I
I
In
Evans
didn't
see
that
as
a
jewel
in
downtown
Skokie
and
travel
to
Skokie,
specifically
to
come
to
Libertad.
So
when
I
heard
of
you
know,
the
proposed
investment
here
in
Evanston
I
was
really
excited.
I'm,
walking,
distance
from
this
location
and
I
think
that
people
will
be
really
excited
to
see
some
additional
options
come
to
Dempster
and
dodge
beyond
sort
of
the
fast
suit.
You
know
fast,
food
and
and
other
options
that
are
offered
there
so
I
think
it's
an
exciting
project.
Thank.
G
F
F
F
F
C
A
H
I'm
gonna
be
cooking
and
also
making
some
outreach
in
the
community
with
with
kids
and
young
people,
and
actually
we
already
have
line
up
our
first
project
at
Dewey
elementary
actually
I'm
coming
from
from
there
today,
because
I
already
started.
But
I
don't
want
to
launch
the
project
until
March,
11
and.
D
F
H
Yes,
yeah:
that's
a
commitment,
I
work
already
here
and
a
project
with
Ruby
Simmons
and
a
mural
on
on
Foster
Street.
That
is
called
your
brilliant
I.
Don't
know
if
you
have
seen
the
fifth
Ward
I
well
I,
when
I
got
there
at
the
very
beginning.
The
neighbors
started
yelling
at
me
because
the
the
color
purple
like
and.
E
H
After
days
what
they
saw,
how
the
community
start
gathering
and
how
all
the
children
from
the
Block
came
to
help
next
day,
I
have
tamales
I
have
coffee
every
day
from
the
community
and
we
got
to
flee
wood.
We
also
got
the
different
schools
around
the
neighborhood
and
it
after
we
were
done.
It
was
a
very
community-based
project.
We
did
some
program
like
breaking
tiles.
You
know
like
riding
on
the
back
stereotypes
and
things
that
we
want
to
break
down
or
like
that
comes
from
generations
and
stuff
like
that.
H
And
after
that
you
see
all
the
tiles
put
in
nice
way
and
people
can
relate
to
that
as
a
community
builder
and
a
way
to
heal
the
community,
and
that's
what
I
want
to
focus
on
that
neighborhood
that
people
that
are
involved
in
the
in
the
mural
making
they
have
an
art
piece
like
a
clay
piece
on
the
wall.
So
they
become
a
part
of
the
whole
installation
and
have
like
kind
of
the
artist
right.
G
G
C
F
A
So
could
I
have
a
motion
here
so
moved.
Okay,
second,
all
right,
any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of
recommending
expending
twenty
four
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
of
tax
increment
fine
to
assist
with
the
opening
of
this
restaurant
at
1813,
Dempster
Street,
the
former
neighbors
at
work
building,
say
aye
aye.
D
A
A
B
A
B
B
Bowden
and
I
had
met
with
alderman
suffered
in
to
discuss
development
opportunities
in
Northwest
Evanston,
specifically
the
corner.
The
intersection
I
should
say:
cuz
it's
a
3-way
corner
of
Grosse,
Pointe,
Central
and
Crawford
these
that
specific
intersection
is
kind
of,
despite
the
fact
that
much
of
Evanston
has
experienced
significant
growth
over
the
last
eight
years,
while
I've
been
here
and
a
couple
years
before
that
the
Northwest
that
commercial
corridor
has
been
very
quiet
and
we
think
that
that
by
implementing
a
TIF
district
might
that
might
inspire
development
to
occur
at
the
corner.
B
B
B
I
always
call
it
grenades,
Grosse
Pointe,
oh
right,
and
it's
set
back
so
it's
kind
of
sunken,
so
it
Bob,
Bob,
Street,
firm
I,
think
was
the
name
of
it,
and
so
that
has
potential
to
be
a
townhouse
or
single-family.
So
there's
a
suite.
We
need,
if
we're
actively
studying
it.
We
think
we
can
inspire
the
market
and
then
we
also
are
suggesting
maybe
including
bent
Park.
B
There
is
a
project
that
Schermerhorn
had
started,
I,
don't
know
the
status
of
that
project
and
then,
if
we
go
down
further
south
closer
to
the
border
of
Skokie
and
Old
Orchard,
there's
a
some
commercial
development
there.
So
this
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
this
is
what
the
TIF
would
look
like
at
the
end
the
day
if
it
were
to
be
implemented,
it's
a
study
area
that
would
eventually
will
determine
if
it
meets
all
the
standards
of
the
state
statute,
and
then
we
would
proceed
on
a
second
request
to
actually
implement
the
TIF.
A
Looked
at
this
for
quite
a
while
and
I
I
did
I.
First
of
all,
I
know
we
have
to
do
this
study
in
order
to
know
what
the
baseline
is
in
order
to
know
what
we
can
generate
an
increment,
but
I
I
just
be
surprised
if
it
meets
if
it
meets
whatever
the
standard
should
be
it
just
just
doesn't
look
I,
don't
know
what
anybody
else.
I
can't
tell
who's
like
that's
better
people.
C
Say:
yeah,
okay,
so
I
and
I
had
similar
questions
that
I
didn't
get
to
flushing
all
this
in
the
package.
So
I
guess
it
would
be
nice
for
him
suffering
was
here
just
to
give
us
a
little
bit
more
background
in
context.
But
the
reason
why
kind
of
sum
that
up
I'm
curious
to
know
if
there
have
been
any
communications
with
the
neighbor
in
a
war
meeting,
I'd
love
to
know
what
they
think
number
one
and
then
the
impact
to
taking
those
properties
off.
Just
you
know
the
impact
in
the
school
district.
B
D
B
Think
it
probably
does
as
a
conservation
area
tip
it's
it
really
has.
It
hasn't
kept
up
pace
with
assuming
it
has
a
kind
of
the
commercial
properties
haven't
kept
that
pace
with
the
rest
of
the
city
in
terms
of
eav
growth.
There's
infrastructure
needs
at
the
parks.
The
intersection
itself
is
questionable.
J
To
say
that
I'm
not
saying
that
I'm
saying
there
are
some
opportunities.
You
know
this
is
a
Bandstand
if
we
can
think
of
a
way
to
create
a
central,
a
small
village
kind
of
business
district
for
Northwest
Evanston,
that's
walkable
that
it's
generating
more
sales
tax
CBS
is
the
only
thing
going
over
there.
K
K
K
Yes,
that's
what
I
meant
yeah
all
right?
Okay,
so
you
know
that's
not
that!
Well,
that's
I!
Guess
that's
probably
20
years
old,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
problematic
in
terms
of
having
these
a
couple
of
isolated.
That
Starbucks
is
very
busy
and
I.
Don't
know
what
the
values
are
in
that
condo
area,
but
you're
right.
The
animal
hospital
is
closed.
Right
right.
K
It
is
it's
definitely
looking
tired
and
empty
and
needing
some
life
so
pieces
there,
which
is
I,
know
doing
pretty,
probably
very
well,
because
the
owner
of
that
is
a
superb
marketer,
but
so
I,
you
know,
I
I
think
it
would
be
worth
looking
at
to
see
what
the
when
it
comes
back
as
certainly
there
are
some
opportunities
there.
It's
a
very
dense,
neighborhood
and
I.
A
D
B
Like
it's
more
than
50%,
so
you
you
know
like
a
broader
strategy,
would
be
determining
how
we
want
to
invest
the
TIF
dollars
and
identify
projects
within
the
parks.
You
know,
there's
I
did
speak
with
Public
Works
about
some
of
the
needs
at
Lovelace.
I,
don't
recall
specifically
at
the
moment
what
they
were,
but
there
were.
There
were
several
beyond
the
idea
of
putting
down
turf
grass
around
talking
about
that.
We're
talking
about
the
actual
infrastructure
needs.
You
know
and
again
this.
This
is
a
broader
study
area.
B
If
we
don't
like
the
idea
of
public
parks
being
in
it
or
the
particular
the
condominium
development.
There's,
a
large
parking
lot,
that's
attached
as
a
pin,
perhaps
there's
a
way
to
address
that
separately
from
the
condominiums.
You
know
you
could
draw
the
boundaries
a
little
different,
so
it's
not
including
it.
It's
really
just
kind
of
a
broad
I
could
have
drawn
a
square
around
the
whole
area
and
said:
hey
we're
not
gonna.
Look
at
single-family
housing,
just
the
corridor
yeah.
A
B
J
B
A
B
Do
a
feasibility
study
just
to
run
the
numbers
to
look
at?
Does
it
meet
the
standards?
Does
it
we're,
but
we
have
to
do
in
our
feet.
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
what
it's
gonna
cost,
but
a
feasibility
study
to
determine.
Does
it
meet
the
state
standards?
Are
there
there
parcels
that
we
shouldn't
include?
Are
there
parcels
were
missing?
That
kind
of
thing
would.
B
So
I
want
to
clear
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
seeking
permission
to
to
get
do
a
contract
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
discussion
about
the
idea,
the
policy
and
the
idea
behind
a
TIF
in
Northwest
and
instead
from
that
point
will
follow
purchasing
guidelines.
A
five
thousand
dollar
study
is
something
that
we
can
do
without
you
know,
city
council
approval
word,
you
know,
that's
a
staff,
administrative
kind
of
line-item,
but
it's
really
more
about.
Do.
We
want
to
use
city
resources
to
study
this
if.
A
B
A
I
I
I
think
it's
interesting
to
include
the
parks
you
know.
I
was
a
part
of
the
the
park
study
when
I
was
on
the
consulting
side
and
certainly
a
lot
of
the
you
know
the
deficiencies
that
those
parks
have
been
identified
and
I
think
it
might
be
of
interest
to
the
area
residents
to
see
that
as
part
of
this,
they
might
be
able
to
see
some
needed
improvements
at
those
parks.
So
I
think
that's
interesting.
D
C
C
Hopefully
he's
already
done
that,
but
let's
make
sure
we
check
that
box
so
that
our
committee
isn't
getting
I,
don't
want
to
receive
blame
from
anyone
without
having
that
conversation
first,
and
that
seems
like
a
natural
course
if
he
understands
that
were
sounds
like
in
support
of
at
least
getting
a
little
bit
more
information
to
make
a
rational
decision
and
that's
clear
yeah.
Let's.
B
B
B
B
F
B
D
F
F
B
They're
all
gonna
respond,
Bob
brush
lucky
will
probably
come
in
at
a
really
low
rate
because
he
tends
to
do
that
and
we
would
move
forward
with
his
study
and
then
I
would
come
back
to
committee
and
say
this
is
what
they
found.
Are
we
comfortable
moving
forward
with
this?
Okay,
that's
how
that
would
work.
We
might
you
know,
maybe
there
this
isn't
going
to
happen.
Mr.
pal,
but
maybe
there's
some
aggressive
consultant
out
there
that'll
do
it
for
a
grand.
A
D
A
I
A
F
F
A
Right,
moving
right,
move
writing
moving
right
along
and
you'll
come
back
to
us.
This
always
has
to
come
back
to
us.
Tips
always
have
to
come
back
to
here
in
the
development.
So
we'll
see
what
happens.
All
right
next
is
for
B,
which
is
a
recommendation.
I
think
it's
just
the
discussion,
I
hope
from
Alderman
Fleming
for
retail,
co-working,
incubator.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
everybody
read
this
very
interesting.
I
also
read
right
after
this
about
the
extraordinary
number
of
vacant
spaces
we
have
and
Evanston
I
was
absolutely
shocked.
I
I
hear
people
coming
up
to
the
microphone
when
they're,
you
know
criticizing
city
government
and
they
say
about
the
vacant
spaces
and
it
seems
to
be
true.
Yes,.
B
B
We
got
the
cannabis
dispensary
instead,
and
so
we
lost
steam
and
we
weren't
able
to
commit
a
space
out
without
renting
a
space
right.
We
controlled
that
space
before
we
thought
if
we
could
have
a
retail
incubator
set
up
in
there,
there'd
be
low
cost,
so
I
think
it
was
a
November
through
in
Fleming,
suggested
that
we
pursue
the
idea
again.
She
didn't
realize
that
we
had
already
done
that
and
I
think
was
motivating.
Her
was
the
closure
of
a
boutique
on
on
Main
Street.
That
was,
it
was
a
beautiful
shop
really
well
done.
B
It's
I
booty
closet.
I
believe
it
was
the
name
of
it.
If
somebody,
I
think
that
went
through
the
sunshine
program
and
things
like
that,
she
just
couldn't
afford
the
rent
rents
are
really
high
and
it's
one
of
the
reasons
that
there
is
a
kind
of
a
slightly
increasing
retail
vacancy
rate
and
I'm
incident
at
the
moment
and
it's
the
same
way
everywhere
in
the
country.
B
So
we
are
proposing
that
we
kind
of
re-energize
this
idea.
During
this
process.
I
was
working
with
my
colleague
in
the
downtown.
I
miss
an
organization
and
Cokely
to
build
kind
of
a
curriculum
for
all
of
Evanston
retail
she's
focused
on
downtown
Evanston,
and
there
was
a
firm
called
37
Oaks
that
does
a
retail
university
that
helps
retailers
with
setting
up
online
businesses.
B
Storefront
displays
merchandising
and
the
like,
and
then
on
top
of
it.
She
for
fear,
ons,
incubate
retail
incubators
in
the
suburbs
and
had
done
one
in
city
of
Chicago
and
Navy
Pier
for
Christmas.
So
I'd
like
to
light
the
opportunity
to
explore
a
potential
relationship
with
37
Oaks.
You
would
come
back
with
her
own
presentation
in
February
or
March.
If
the
committee
agrees
that
we
should
be
pursuing
retail
incubation
well,.
A
B
A
great
question
occupied
right:
don't
don't
have
that
policy
figured
out
yet
I
think
when
we
started
this
years
ago,
all
the
men
Holmes
talked
about
all
of
the
kind
of
home-based
craft
businesses
that
would
pop
up
at
church
bazaar.
That
was
her.
We
gotta
get
them
into
shop.
She
would
say
so
that
was
kind
of
we
started
and
we
know
we're
gonna
have
a
better
sense
of
it.
When
we
have
our
business
registration
was
completed.
A
B
So
that
that's
going
to
help
us
understand
who
those
who
those
home-based
businesses
are
and
and
we'll
see,
III
honestly
I
can't
tell
you
at
this
time
what
the
market
would
be
or
how,
how
it
would
the
spaces
would
fill
I'm
really
at
this
point
trying
to
learn.
If
the
committee
would
like
to
pursue
the
idea,
if
it's
a
worthwhile
and.
K
Can
you
I
need
more
information?
I
I
can
see
how
this
would
work.
I've
certainly
been
to
antiques
malls
where
that
works
and
I've
been
to
Artem,
to
see
that
as
well.
So
I
I
want
to
understand
a
little
bit
better,
though
what
the
staff
time
would
be
that
is
involved
in
this,
and
you
know
before
when
we
looked
at
maples
garage.
K
That
was
a
space
that
we
had
been
unable
to
lease
for
years
so
and
I
had
the
same
concern
that
alderman
Rainey
has,
which
is:
are
we
cannibalizing
or
could
we
put
something
in
a
location
that
that
actually
energizes
some
space,
but
how
much
how
much
staff
time
and
then
that
Maple
Avenue
garage
space
basically
was
free
because
we
we
were
not
renting
it
at
all.
So
what
have
we
got?
That's
free
right.
B
So
that
there's
there's
two
approaches
to
directly
answer
your
question:
I'm
not
comfortable
myself
or
our
team,
doesn't
have
the
capacity
to
run
an
incubator,
a
program
to
lease
it
up
to
do
all
that
right
and
we
don't
really
even
have
the
funding
anymore
to
and
at
least
from
the
economic
development
side
to
lisa
space.
And
I
already
told
you:
the
spaces
are
expensive
right.
D
B
D
B
Have
a
hard
time
holding
them
right
so
so
that's
one
approach
that
I'm
gonna
say
that
I
prefer,
as
staff
I,
don't
think
we're
qualified
to
do
that
now,
if
I'm
able
to
work
with
37,
Oaks
or
some
other
organization
that
I
don't
know
how
many
other
organizations
out
there
do
this
kind
of
work
I
also
don't
know
how
much
she
costs
right.
There's
we
were
having
preliminary
conversations.
I
want
to
learn
more
about
it,
but
I
don't
want
to
do
that.
A
Let
me
tell
you
what
I
was
reflecting
on
when
I
read
the
report.
I
was
reflecting
on
when
peckish
pig
came
before
the
Economic
Development
Committee
and
the
review
committee
about
doing
a
food
court.
These
are
people
who
who
serve
200
people
meals
and
continue
to
run
a
kitchen
and
a
catering
business
all
the
same
time.
They
know
so
much
about
food.
A
They
wanted
to
run
a
food
court
and
the
committee
challenged
them
on
their
inability
to
keep
it
organized
and
and
how
complicated
it
would
be
to
have
different
operators
operating
at
the
same
time
same
thing.
The
same
thing
have
different
retailers
operating
collecting
the
rent.
Probably
would
be
the
easiest
thing.
What
are
the
hours?
This
one
only
wants
to
work
two
to
five.
This
one
wants
to
work
eight
to
ten.
This
way
I
mean.
A
A
It's
very
complicated
and
quite
honestly,
I
think
it's
the
person
who
runs
it
or
is
the
general
manager
is
going
to
III
would
think
would
want
to
be
highly
paid
because
it's
going
to
be
a
nightmare
and
they'll
be
you
know,
disagreements,
etc,
etc
and
there'll
be
commissions
and
though
you
know,
and
I
would
certainly
hate
to
see,
I
mean
I'm.
Just
imagining
is
it
going
to
be
all
new
items?
Is
it
going
to
you
know?
How
is
it
gonna,
be
man
I,
just
think
I
just
think
we
shouldn't
be
in
that
business.
A
F
B
F
B
Have
the
time
to
manage
a
retail
incubator
and
put
a
program
together,
that's
like
that
would
be
a
full-time
job,
so
I
I
would
not
like
to
do
that
or,
but
if
I'm,
if
I'm,
advised
that
that's
a
that's
a
strategy
that
the
committee
wants
to
follow,
will
do
that
and
I.
Don't
think
that
is.
But
what
I
would
say.
Mr.
Powell
is
that
it's
it's
I
think
it's
worthwhile
to
at
least
explore
what
37
Oaks
has
to
offer
that
that
takes
that.
Take
that's
a
two-hour
meeting.
B
The
the
all
the
alderman
Rainey
is
referring
to
a
business
that
was
in
Andersonville
that
opened
up
a
branch
in
Evanston.
It
was
doing
okay,
I
mean
the
the
owner
became
a
Olin
and
had
to
leave
the
business,
and
now
Artem
is
open
and
Artem
is
a
co-working
kind
of
artist
space
right
there
focus
on
art
and
that
kind
of
also
fits
the
the
antique
mall
model
where
you
have
people
managing
it.
This.
This
is
more
about
fashion
and
home
goods,
and
things
like
that.
But
mr.
Paul,
my.
F
B
Alright
Hecky,
so
so
what
I'm
recommending
is
I
would
like
the
opportunity
to
spend
a
little
more
time
pursuing
the
37
Oaks
process
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
how
much
it
cost
I
have
to
do
it
anyway,
because
we're
gonna
look
at
a
program
like
a
one-off
or
maybe
a
series
of
five
classes
for
retailers
it's
throughout
Evanston,
but
could
it
build
into
something
bigger?
Is
there
a
other
alternative
funding
sources
that
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
use?
B
F
K
I
Jump
in
and
suggest
that
beyond
meeting
with
37
Oaks
I
would
suggest
that
you
talk
to
a
few
other
people.
You
know
business
districts
comes
to
mind
and
they're
very
familiar
with
Evanston,
of
course,
and
I
think
understanding
for
more
than
just
one
provider,
sort
of
what's
more
broadly
happening
in
the
retail
space
and
how
this
might
apply
to
Evanston
would
be
worthwhile.
B
I
To
me
it's
I
mean
Evanston
is
rich
in
makers
right
and
it's
that
whole
makerspace,
that
you
know
there's
a
lot.
That's
happening
in
that
space
and
so
I
think
it
might
be
an
interesting
conversation
to
think
about.
Is
there
overlap
between?
You
know
the
makers,
you
know
the
makerspace.
Is
you
know
how
could
that
fit?
You
know
with
Evanston's
community
of
makers
and
some
sort
of
space
that
you're
talking
about
so
I
would.
K
A
K
Right
so
you
know
we
have.
This
is
just
me
talking
off
the
top
my
head,
so
we
have
the
winter
farmers
market
which
meets
on
is
held
on
Saturdays.
You
know,
one
thing
to
think
about
is
we
have
all
of
these
church
spaces
throughout
the
community?
I
mean
they're,
they're,
gorgeous
and
they're
enormous
and
people
do
stuff
without
us
right.
I
K
Something
to
think
about
this
is
that
maybe
it's
a
it's
a
retail
Saturday
farmers
market
that
is
held
in
one
of
these
amazing
Church
spaces
that
we
have
you
know
I
did
the
walk
for
warmth
and
started
off
at
the
United
Methodist
in
their
spectacular
stage,
Kwasi
basketball
space.
You
know-
and
you
look
at
that-
and
you
think
this
doesn't
get
you
well
and
not
to
say
anything
about
United
Methodist
but
I'm
I.
K
D
A
Interesting
peckish
pig
just
sighted
all
by
itself
to
have
a
Howard,
Street,
Christmas,
Bazaar
sale
and
they
they
have
an
event
space
in
this
in
the
restaurant
and
that's
what
they
did,
and
people
on
Howard
Street.
But
like
the
the
neon
store,
the
people
there
made
small
neon
things,
they
sold
things
for
like
80
to
100
dollars,
a
piece
and
I
mean
she
sold
baked
goods
and
things
and
Health
Department
came
over
and
you
know
but
I
mean
it
was
just
really
fascinating.
People
just
came
and
bought
everything.
A
Yep-
and
it
was
just-
it
was
really
all
right,
so
I
think
the
consensus
is,
you
will
meet
with
her
and
then
you
will
talk
to
others
that
she's
worked
with
and
then
others
that
she
hasn't
like
Lisa.
D
B
Write
a
letter
and
and
we'll
you
know
over
the
next
60
days,
figure
out
a
plan.
You
know
I'm
here,
because
I
there's
a
referral
and
I
have
to
bring
it
but
doing
what
I
do
you
know
Hecky
I
do
think
it
would
be
a
cool
project.
Let's
I'm,
just
gonna
say
that
now
this
cool
mean
it's
gonna,
make
money
or
is
it
gonna
help
people
I,
don't
know?
That's
we
have
to
figure
out.
That's
what
I
want
to
talk
to
you.
37
oaks,
about
yeah.
F
You
know
you
know
Paul
the
reason.
A
reason
I'm
saying
some
of
this
stuff
to
you
is
because
it's
easy
for
us
to
sit
up
here
and
tell
you
all
these
things
you
should
look
at.
You
should
do
even
better
that,
but
you
have
to
do
it.
You
know
and
we're
not
doing
it,
and
if
you
can,
if
you
overload
it
with
what
you're
doing
already
I
like
to
see,
you
do
a
good
job
at
what
you
do
and
not
get
overloaded.
Okay,
much.
A
D
A
Just
wait,
excuse
me,
excuse
me,
could
you
find
out
from
her
so
that
we
can
do
some
work?
Also
some
research,
if
there,
if
there
is
a
community
that
she's
worked
with
with
the
problem
like
we
have
people
not
able
to
afford
the
rent
and
looking
for
co-workers
to
work
within
the
retail
area?
That
would
be
interesting.
She
could
make
a
referral
for
us
to
take
a
look
at
okay.
D
A
All
right
so
so
you've
got
direct.
B
A
Yeah
Sherman
in
downtown
all
right,
so
the
Entrepreneurship
Support
Program
and
a
progress
report
with
the
surveys
etc.
Very
interesting
can
you
comment
on,
though
yeah.
B
L
Good
evening
my
name
is
paulina
Martinez
assistant
to
the
city
manager,
so
alderman
roux
Simmons
had
asked
to
do
a
follow-up.
With
the
applicants
who
had
received
funding
through
the
Entrepreneurship
Support
Program.
We
actually
had
a
pretty
good
response
rate
after
stocking
them
yeah.
You
know
it's
respond
to
the
to
the
survey,
so
we
had
about
66%
of
the
recipients
replied
to
our
survey.
We've
given
out
a
total
of
18
18
grants
so
about
12
people
replied.
Most
of
the
feedback
was
positive.
L
A
lot
of
the
things
that
we
saw
was
actually
kind
of
goes
hand
in
hand
with
what
Paul
was
talking
about.
They
want
to
see
more
support,
we're
capacity,
building
workshops,
so
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
have
tried
to
do
and
have
done
in
the
past,
but
we
just
don't
have
the
capacity
to
to
keep
doing
at
this
point.
L
So
what
staff
has
been
talking
about
internally,
is,
you
know,
like
Paul,
was
saying
finding
partnerships
within
the
community
to
to
to
bring
the
resources
to
the
community
that
they're
asking
for,
but
overall
I
believe
we've
don't
have
the
numbers
of
top.
My
head,
but
we've
given
a
total
of
about
thirty
thirty
six
thousand
dollars
in
entrepreneurship
support
program,
and
it
has
made
a
difference
in
the
applicants.
Businesses
can.
A
L
Of
them,
yes,
some
of
them
have
fully
transition
into
doing
this.
There's
a
couple
of
them
that
flew
transition
into
doing
that.
There's
only
one
instance
of
an
applicant
who
has
still
not
launched
the
business
and
I
am
following
up
with
her
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
she
she's
responsible
for
for
the
money
and
making
sure
that
she's
using
it
appropriately.
F
L
Some
of
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
the
applicants,
the
last
question
was
what
what
else
could
we
be
doing
to
make
you're
fully
supported
so
the
common
theme
of
their
responses?
What
that
was
that
they
needed
more
resources,
maybe
bigger
grant
amounts
and
capacity
building
workshops
to
to
help
them
just
take
the
next
step
and
to
grow
in
their
business.
I.
L
Like
Paul
said,
we
we're
at
capacity
where
we're
a
small
team.
Three
of
us.
We
don't
have
the
expertise
nor
the
bandwidth
to
do
that
right
now,
but
we
don't
have
the
expertise
or
the
bandwidth
right
now
to
take
that
on.
So
what
we
have
been
discussing
internally
is
to
find
key
partnerships
in
the
community
to
help
us
with
that.
So
one
of
them
is
the
example
of
the
partnership
that
we
can
have
with
northern
credit
union.
To
do
financial
financial
education
with
the
community
would.
F
B
Know
we're
we're
we're
not
you
know
we
just
we
don't
have
the
budget
to
hire
more
staff,
so
it's
either
sure
so.
In
case
like
this,
Paulino
is
referencing.
We
can
work
with
like,
for
example,
I'm
gonna
work
with
downtown
Evanston
she's
gonna
hire
four
people
to
run
so
like.
Let
me
give
an
example
like
an
Instagram:
how
do
you?
How
do
you
do
an
effective,
Instagram
campaign?
Okay,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
know
how
to
use
Instagram
and
a
nice
focus
on
downtown.
We
can
say:
hey.
B
We've
got
three
entrepreneurship
support
grantees
that
could
probably
benefit
from
selling
stuff
on
Instagram
right,
so
we
steer
them
that
way.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
we
can
do,
or
we
have
a
little
bit
of
funding
from
the
great
merchants
grant
where
we
can
help
fun
consultants
who
do
the
capacity-building.
You
you've
been
a
mentor.
You
know
to
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
we
can
connect
people
that
way,
we're
never
in
our
our
group
ever
going
to
be
teaching
people
or
advising
them
on
how
to
do
business.
B
We're
gonna
connect
them
with
people
to
do
that.
That's
not
our
specialty.
We
have.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
to
give
this
meeting
together
tonight.
You
know
you
have
to
draft
memos,
it's
a
transparency.
You
have
to
make
sure
that
this
stuff
gets
on
the
record.
We
don't
have
time
for
the
other
stuff,
it's
just
not,
then
that's
not
what
I
can
help
me
develop.
Many
agencies
typically
do
anyway.
F
J
F
A
B
I,
don't
have
a
presentation
for
that
I
do
have
one
communication
I
want
to
share
we're
continuously,
trying
to
update
our
online
presence
and
again
Katie
Bowden
and
on
the
team,
updated
the
evanston
edge
website
to
have
more
it's
not
real
time,
but
it's
very
close
to
most
current
data.
It's
a
data
dashboard,
for
you
know,
unemployment
rates,
vacancy
rates
for
office,
retail
so
and
so
on.
B
So
you
can
take
a
look
at
it
if,
if
you're,
if
you're
an
award
meeting
people
are
screaming
about,
you
know
vacancy
rates
and
the
like,
you
know
you
can
use
data
to
to
support
your
claims.
We're
we're
doing.
Ok,
especially
relative
to
the
national
scene
and
the
regional
market.
I
will
say
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
blip
in
downtown
Edmundston
right
now
gap
did
what
they
did,
which
is
they're
doing
that
all
over
the
country.
I
B
You
know
that
they're,
probably
they
probably
will
fail
at
some
point
but
they're
consolidating
at
Old
Orchard
we're
gonna
lose
Mattress,
Firm
I.
Don't
think
anybody
cares
about
that,
but
we're
going
to
try
to
back
fill
that
space
with
with
we're
actively
pursuing.
For
example,
there's
a
group
called
hi-5
to
kids
activity
zone.
That
does
you
know
they're
there
in
Northbrook
Mall,
for
example,
that
that's
a
mall
that
that's
experiencing
the
same
challenges
that
the
rest
of
the
world
is
facing
so
get
the
activities
in
there.
People
need
to
eat.
B
You
know
the
things
that
you
can't
do
online
we're
trying
to
get
into
the
it's
going
to
be
a
change
people,
it's
going
to
be
hard
for
people
to
get,
but
we're
not
going
to
get
departments.
We
have
target
and
and
I
remember.
If
some
people
complained,
that
target
was
opening
in
downtown,
but
that
is
stabilized
Sherman
and
it's
making
generating
a
lot
of
sales
tax
and.
D
B
D
B
You
remember
the
Wardrobe
when
it
opened
there
was
a
sock
store
that
opened
for
30
days,
so
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
conversations
this
year
about
vacancies
and
what
downtown
I
haven't.
Seven
students
gonna
look
like,
and
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
mid
rises,
opening
in
fact
that
actually
helps
create
more
people
to
shop,
but
it
has
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
taxes.
The
retail
world
is
changing.
It's
happening
fast.
D
J
B
Going
yeah
yeah
so
until
people
stop
shopping
that
way,
that's
what's
going
to
continue
to
happen.
I'm,
not
asking
anybody
to
stop
shopping
online.
It's
a
fact
of
life,
but
I
I,
really
I'm
gonna
spend
a
lot
of
time
this
year.
Talking
about
the
importance
of
figuring
out
a
new
plan.
Bag
fill
the
spaces
in
downtown,
have
instance,
gonna
be
fine.
We
just
have
to
adjust
yeah.
D
B
A
D
F
B
B
Have
they
delivered
I
will
tell
you
for
the
most
part
of
what
we
tend
to
do.
Is
we
strongly
encourage?
We
don't
mandate
right
that
that's
kind
of
been
our
philosophy,
so
they
try
their
best.
They
hire
someone,
but
we
don't.
You
know
we
don't
have
like
a
five-year
requirement
and
you
know
we
don't
do
clawback
provisions
generally
speaking
so,
but
we
can
take
a
look
at
that.