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A
Okay,
all
right
just
because
it
still
is
a
public
meeting,
even
though
it's
a
retreat,
we
do
need
to
formally
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
do
our
roll
call,
and
then
we
can.
A
I
don't
see
any
public
present
so,
but
just
so
that
we
can
have
officially
a
part
of
the
record,
a
public
comment,
and
then
we
can
go
over
ahead
and
turn
over
to
kathleen.
So
with
that
I
see
our
chair
has
arrived
good
morning
jane
good
morning.
All
right.
B
Good
good
morning
the
we
I
see
that
we
do
have
a
quorum
for
a
meeting.
The
meeting
is
called
to
order
deputy
city
manager.
Richardson.
Do
you
want
to
call
the
role?
Oh.
A
Yes,
all
right,
so
it's
904
a.m
and
all
right
chair,
jane.
C
A
When
present
okay,
you're
you're
you're
you're
not
being
hurt
just
so
you
know
so
I'll
come
back
to
you,
but
I
can't
hear
you
max.
A
A
Okay,
if
you're
still
figuring
out
just
let
us
know
when
you've
gotten
it
figured
and
then,
if
you
need
to
call
in
you
can
always
do
that
as
well.
A
All
right
also
present
is
shanica,
and
we
have
kathleen
here.
Dr
kathleen
gang
clayton
is
here.
A
A
F
All
right
all
right,
okay!
So
let's
get
started!
Oh
I'm
still,
caffeinating
guys,
oops!
Sorry!
So
that's
why
I
did
that.
F
But
it's
great
to
be
here
with
you
all
this
morning.
It's
beautiful
outside
I
actually
ran
outside
to
go
grab
something,
and
I
kind
of
regret
it
because
I
know
how
beautiful
it
is
now,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
get
us
to
stick
to
the
two
hours
as
best
we
can.
We've
got
a
lot
to
cover
and
I
wanted
to
thank
you
all
for
your
time
that
you
spent
filling
out
watching
the
video
and
sharing
your
thoughts
on
the
the
short
survey.
F
It
really
helped
to
inform
this
agenda
and
but
also
to
shave
off
some
time
so
that
we
can
kind
of
dive
right
into
sort
of
the
eec
and
and
the
work
that
you
have
before
you
and
evanston
okay.
So
what
I'm
gonna
do-
and
I
know
overview
and
introduction
seems
a
bit
redundant,
but
I
I
like
doing
it
and
I
I
would
like
that
again,
so
that
I
can
just
oh
that's
that
we
can
like
sort
of
just
get
to
know
each
other
again.
Given
all
that's
happened
this
week.
B
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
kathleen
kathy
lyons
tells
me,
via
text
that
she's
waiting
to
be
led
into
the
room
if
someone
would
admit
her.
Okay,
thank.
C
F
So
then,
we're
gonna
talk
about
racial
equity,
but
really
specifically,
why
are
we
talking
about
this?
F
Then
we're
going
to
go
through
a
quick
visioning
exercise,
we're
going
to
spend
a
little
more
time
on
mission,
identification
for
the
eec,
and
then
I
came
up
with
this
planning
exercise
that
I
think
might
capture
some
of
the
concerns,
and
you
know
hopes
and
wishes
that
you
shared
in
your
feedback
and
it's
a
short
two
hours.
So
then
we're
gonna
go
into
next
steps
and
action
items
looking
into
the
second
session
that
we'll
be
having
like
in
a
couple
of
weeks:
okay,
all
right,
so
some
of
the
norms
and
introductions.
F
I
always
do
this
when
you
know
I'm
involved
in
facilitating
retreats,
but
let's
just
kind
of
level
set
right.
This
is
how
I
approach
it
if
there's
something
that
either
you're
like
what
is
that?
Stop
me
if
it's
after
I
get
done
with
the
list
and
you're
like
okay,
this
is
missing.
F
For
those
of
you
who
you
know,
I
like
hanging
back
and
thinking
first
and
analyzing
and
you're
really
quiet.
I
really
encourage
you
to
kind
of
challenge
yourself
to
step
up
a
little
and
to
not
wait
that
long,
because
your
voice
is
really
important,
and
you
know
for
those
of
you
who,
maybe
like
me,
like,
I
like
talking
out
loud
and
processing
out
loud,
try
to
take
a
step
back
and
and
create
help
co-create
that
space,
so
that
we
can
hear
more
of
our
colleagues
who
are
in
the
room
today.
F
I
know
we
all
have
this
and
it's
mine
was
sitting
right
over
to
my
right
side
and
it's
really
easy
to
open
up
a
an
email
box
or
to
do
something
else
and
all
I'm
asking
is
you
know:
we've
got
these
two
hours,
let's
let
it
go,
let's
let
it
go
and
and
drill
into
this
and
see
how
far
we
can
get
together
speak
for
yourself
and
not
for
a
group.
F
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
I
dropped
number
eight,
yes
and
so
speak
for
yourself,
not
for
a
group.
So
these
are
the
seven
that
have
survived
many
many
showings.
Is
there
something
else
that
you
would
want
to?
I
mean
either
something
else
or
something
on
this
list
that
you're
like.
Yes,
I
want
to
double
click
on
that
or
hey.
This
is
missing.
H
G
G
D
Sometimes
something
I
learned-
and
I
took
to
my
own
work
from
when
we
did
the
reparations
work
18
months
ago-
was
the
solution,
stay
solutions
focused
or.
G
F
Yes,
now
that's
a
good
one.
I
I
think
we
had
some
version
of
that,
but
I
mean
I
have
to
go
check
at
other
iterations,
but
thanks,
that's
a
yeah.
It's
true.
Let's
stay
solutions
focused
okay,
so
who
am
I
you
all
know
who
I
am
my
pronouns?
Are
she
her
hers?
My
day?
Job
is
being
professor
at
uic.
F
I
really
wanted
to
hear
this
just
as
an
icebreaker
guys.
You
know
it's
saturday.
So,
let's
just
let's
try
to
you,
know
humanize
ourselves
as
we
proceed
with
this
important
work,
but
just
real
quickly.
Your
name,
your
pronouns,
that
you
prefer
your
daytime
title,
a
privilege
you
hold
and
how
you've
benefited
from
that,
and
just
because
kathleen
is
a
foodie.
What
is
the
best
casual
restaurant
in
evanston,
according
to
you,
with
the
understanding,
they'll
be
open
postcoded.
F
So
why
don't
we
just
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing,
so
I
can
see
your
wonderful
beautiful
faces
and,
let's
just
let's
I
don't
know,
I
usually
I
like
popcorning.
So
what
that
means
is
I'll
just
start
with
one
person
and
then
after
you're
done,
if
you
could
just
ping
a
colleague
of
yours,
so
that
we
can
keep
it
going
okay.
So
let
me
how
about
we
start
with?
I
I
lost
the
screen
alejandra
since
I
looked,
you
were
right
to
the
immediate
right
in
here.
C
Awesome,
I
don't
see
anything
yet,
but
hopefully
you
could
beat
me
if
I
get
lost
where
there
I
see
it.
Okay,
wonderful
good
morning,
everyone,
buenos
dias.
As
you
all
know,
my
name
is
alejandra
ivanis.
I
use
she
her
hers,
hey.
If
you're
gonna
speak
to
me
in
spanish
pronouns
during
the
day.
Actually
I
am
no
longer
at
the
woods
fund.
C
So
actually
I
am
me
myself,
I'm
a
parent
of
three
children
and
what
else
that's
a
little
bit
of
my
title,
I'm
most
I
mostly
go
by
mom
my
privilege.
I
would
say
one
of
my
privileges
is
that
I'm
a
naturalized
citizen,
as
most
of
you
know,
if
you
don't,
I
was
born
in
chile
and
I
came
to
the
states
as
a
five-year-old
I
actually
was.
My
family
was
actually
denied
citizenship
early
on
we
didn't
get
political
refugee
status,
but
eventually
were
able
to
naturalize.
C
So
one
of
my
privileges
is
being
a
naturalized
us
citizen
and
in
the
latino
community.
I
really
have
learned
what
a
privilege
that
is.
If
we,
if
you
know
if
we
would
have
not
gotten
status,
I
don't
know
if
I'd
even
be
in
this
country
or
if
I've
had
the
college
education
and
the
access
to
everything
you
get
as
a
us
citizen
best
casual
restaurant.
C
G
D
Thank
you
alejandra,
good
morning,
buenos
dias,
my
name
is
max
weinberg.
He
him
he
has
him.
He
that's
right.
Sorry,
I'm
looking
at
the
I'm
looking
at
the
thing,
I'm
a
school
principal
in
evanston
in
a
public
school,
I'm
a
cis
white
guy,
so
everything
that
goes
with
that
when
I
walk
into
a
cvs,
it's
hi.
How
are
you?
How
can
I
help
you
and
we're
gonna?
D
Let
you
walk
out
with
armfuls
of
stuff
and
we're
gonna
be
okay
with
that
and
not
assume
that
you
can
assume
that
you
paid
for
it
and
then
it's
yours
so
also
born
in
america.
Just
you
know,
I
think,
benefit
from
always
having
the
assumption
of
that
goes,
with
being
a
white
guy
in
society,
best
casual
restaurant
in
evanston.
D
I
I'm
still
we're
still
looking
for
one.
We
did
dine
out
last
night
at
five
and
dime,
which
has
a
really
nice
roof
deck
with
heat
lamps.
Now
so
I
think
it
will
be
open,
but
on
a
day
to
day
I
would
probably
eat
a
dozika
on
dempster
and
chicago
ave.
If
I
could
eat
every
day,
they've
got
great.
Dozika
is
like
fusion
asian.
They
have
great
ram
and
spicy
ramen
yeah.
G
G
My
daytime
title
I
work
at
healthcare
service
corporation,
which
is
the
parent
company
for
blue
cross
blue
shield
of
illinois,
new
mexico,
texas,
oklahoma
and
montana.
G
So
there
I
am
in
a
leadership
role
where
we
work
on
developing
new
products
and
bringing
them
to
the
market,
so
all
sorts
of
things
around
digital
tools
to
access
your
health
programs
to
help
you
remember,
if
you
have
medication,
adherence
or
and
things
that
just
help,
you
better
navigate
your
care
and
the
access
and
benefits
you
have.
With
your
plan,
a
privilege
I
hold
and
how
I
benefit.
G
You
know
I'm
a
black
woman,
so
I
I
struggled
with
this
question
at
first,
but
I
guess
a
privilege
I
could
say
is
my
education
and
the
employment
that
it
has
afforded
me
and
being
able
to
you
know,
earn
and
and
have
a
lifestyle
that
is,
I
would
say,
quote-unquote
better
than
that.
What
I
was
born
into
best
casual
restaurant
in
evanston.
G
I'm
just
gonna
say
smiley
brothers.
I
I
had
that
barbecue
last
night
and
I
really
like
their
patio,
especially
in
these
pandemic,
dining
out
times
so
yeah.
That's
that's
one
of
my
favorites.
G
Oh,
I'm
gonna
pick
my
other
new
joiner,
carla.
H
Good
morning,
everybody,
my
name
is
carla.
She
her
hers
my
daytime
title
these
days.
My
kids
are
home,
so
there's
that
that's
a
whole
job
in
getting
them
through
school,
I'm
also
a
phd
student
at
northwestern
in
the
csv
school
of
education
and
social
policy
privileges.
I
hold
I'm
a
cisgendered
female
and
I'm
able-bodied
on
most
days
and.
H
Best
casual
dining,
restaurant,
I'm
just
gonna,
say
heckey's
who
doesn't
love
some
rice
wait
spell
that
h,
h
e
c
k,
y
posh,
wash
bs.
F
All
right
and
hecky
says:
barbecue
yeah,
okay,
all
right
carla
go
ahead
and
pick
someone.
Oh.
H
E
Hello,
everyone,
my
name,
is
kathy
lyons.
My
friends,
are
she
her
hers?
My
time
title
is
director
of
new
futures
initiative
at
center
for
independent
futures,
and
I
like
to
say
what
that
means,
because
that
could
be
anything
that
actually
means
that
I
work
at
a
center
for
independent
futures
to
help
families
create
housing
for
people
with
disabilities
in
their
own
communities.
E
In
terms
of
privilege,
carla
you,
I
was
going
to
say
mostly
able-bodied,
because
most
of
my
life
I've
been
able-bodied.
So
that
was
the
one
I
was
thinking
about,
but
I
would
say
that
I
have
the
privileged
privilege
of
generally
passing
through
the
world
as
a
white
woman.
Although
not
I
was,
and
I'm
not
I'm
actually
a
person.
I
consider
myself
a
person
of
color
because
of
my
half
chinese
and
half
irish
ancestry
and
ethnicity.
E
My
favorite
restaurant
is
a
little
diner
on
the
corner
of
prairie
central
called
prairie
joe's,
where
I
recommend
the
carrot,
burrito,
which
is
an
unusual
little
sandwich,
but
I'm
really
fond
of
our
little
local
spot
and
I'm
hoping
that
they
managed
to
make
it
through
all
this.
So
right
on,
I'm
gonna.
H
E
It
to
dolores.
B
I
Morning
well,
my
name
is
really
or
dolores
and
petway
holmes,
and
I
say
that
I
don't
hear
that
often,
but
it's
important
to
me
because
I
always
would
go
back
to
my
maiden
name.
I,
when
I
got
married,
it
wasn't
fashionable
to
keep
your
maiden
name.
I
Then
so,
and
I
I
love
my
mate
name,
I
don't
use
pronouns
my
privilege
is
that
I'm
just
a
strong
black,
proud
woman
that
have
accomplished
a
lot
of
things
in
my
lifetime
that
I'm
very
proud
of
and
my
my
favorite
favorite
restaurant
is
no
longer
in
existence
in
edison,
and
that
was
the
noy
street.
Cafe
I
loved
it
for
years
it
was
a
wonderful
restaurant,
but
I
would
go
along
with
smiley
brothers
now
and
for
carry
out.
You
can't
be
hackies.
F
I
B
B
She
her
my
day.
Job
is
as
a
principal
for
public
engagement
at
the
chicago
metropolitan
agency
for
planning,
which
means
that
I
direct
the
public
engagement
for
the
seven
counties
of
northeastern
illinois.
So
it's
a
it's
a
lot
of
real
estate.
I
am
privileged
in
every
way.
Since
the
day
I
was
born
so
in
every
way
by
by
race,
education,
gender
ability,
everything
every
single
facet
of
my
life,
my
favorite
casual
restaurants,
it's
a
toss-up.
B
H
J
Good
morning
everyone
I'm
melissa,
wynne,
she
her
hers.
I
am
my
part-time
daytime
job.
My
title
is
alderman
or
older
woman,
and
I
am
the
alderman
who
represents
the
third
ward
of
evanston,
and
otherwise
I'm
melissa
and
my
privilege,
like
jane,
is,
I
am
a
white
woman
lawyer
and
very
able-bodied
and
at
lychain
it's
from
the
moment
I
was
born
so
that
that
is
my
privilege,
my
favorite
restaurant.
J
I
think
I
should
shout
out
to
a
third
ward
restaurant,
but
it
is
one
of
my
favorites
is
blind
faith
and
anything
on
the
menu.
There
is
great
and
especially
their
desserts.
J
I
would
eat
dirt
first
anytime,
so
so
I
will
throw
it
out
to
shanika.
K
Good
morning,
everyone
can
everyone
hear
me:
okay,
yes,
perfect,
icma
management,
fellow
she
her
hers
are
my
pronouns,
I
would
say,
and
so
for
dr
yin
clayton
and
kimberly
richardson.
You've
already
heard
this,
but
for
the
rest
of
you,
my
privilege
would
be
that
I
am
from
a
culture
family,
my
family's
from
south
america,
guyana,
and
growing
up
in
brooklyn
new
york.
K
I
was
exposed
to
a
lot
of
diversity
and
having
that
diversity
within
me,
you
know
taught
me
to
learn
different
cultures,
different
background
and
being
acceptance
of
that
and
then
me
being
having
the
well.
It
wasn't
really
a
privilege.
It
was
really
a
single
mom
trying
to
make
it
work
for
her
three
kids,
but
being
able
to
move
around
as
much
as
I
did.
K
This
is
my
fifth
state
and
third
region
to
live
in,
and
so
it's
given
me
a
chance
to
connect
with
different
people
from
all
walks,
races,
culture,
backgrounds,
religions,
things
of
that
facet.
So
I
find
that,
of
course,
my
education,
but
I
find
that
to
be
a
very
great
privilege
to
be
able
to
connect
with
people
from
all
different
backgrounds.
K
What
am
I
missing?
Oh
favorite,
restaurant.
I
have
two
for
evanston,
sorry
guys,
but
one
is
claire's
corner
in
the
water.
It's
a
jamaican
restaurant
that
I
love
so
much.
I
have
maybe
about
five
of
my
colleagues
who
go
there.
You
know
and
the
other
one
would
be
pono
ono.
F
K
The
second
one
was
pono
ono,
I'm
saying
it
correctly:
it's
a
poke
place
off
of
sherman.
No,
it's
not
sherman.
Is
it
sherman,
chicago
chicago.
H
A
All
right
I'll
be
quick,
kimberly
richardson.
My
day,
job
is
interim
assistant
city
manager.
A
I
feel
like
that's
my
night
job
too,
so
it's
my
full
job
and
then
my
privilege
actually
is
being
born
in
a
two-family
home
with
parents
who
have
the
ability
to
afford
me
the
privilege
of
going
to
private
school
because
of
the
community,
which
I
grew
up
in
public
school
was
not
really
the
best
option
in
their
mind,
and
so
I
think
that
allowed
me
to
be
able
to
progress
in
my
education
and
then
into
a
career
where
there's
not
many
people
of
color
in
this
in
this
region.
A
A
Sorry
she
heard
hers-
and
I
will
say
my
favorite
restaurant
this
week
because
I
have
favorite
restaurants
every
month
in
evanston,
but
stacking
folded
has
been
my
go-to
lately
and
that's
maybe
because
it's
a
stone
throw
away
from
my
job
but
stacking
folder
for
lunch
and
over
freedom
for
breakfast.
So
I
I
pretty
much
frequent
those
two
restaurants
on
a
daily
or
a
weekly
basis
in
evanston.
So.
F
Nice,
nice,
okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
guys
that
was
helpful,
made
me
hungry.
So
that
might
keep
me
more
focused.
Given
I
clearly
can't
count
right
now.
So
just
real
quick,
my
name's
kathleen.
You
can
call
me
kathleen,
even
not
on
a
saturday.
My
name
is
kathleen.
You
can
drop
the
the
doctor
part.
I
will
use
that
when
I
have
to
scare
students
and
to
pay
attention
to
deadlines.
F
So
my
pronouns
are
she
her
hers,
privilege
I
mean
you
guys
pretty
much
got
it.
You
know
I
I've.
I've
been
toying
around
with
this
question
because
it's
sometimes
people
misunderstand
privilege
like
it
was
my
privilege
to
serve,
or
you
know
I
get
the
privilege
of
eating
vanilla
ice
cream
every
day,
like
that's,
not
the
privilege,
I'm
talking
about
so
thank
you,
like
you,
guys,
really
kind
of
hit
it
on
the
head.
I
mean
my
privilege
is
definitely
it's
very
similar
to
many
of
you
who
cited
education.
F
F
Kind
of
being
largely
harmless
and
very
studious
and
sort
of
you
know
being
reliable
because
I'm
not
dark-skinned
or
I
I
kind
of
fit
a
certain
model.
F
So
I
got
a
lot
of
privileges
in
terms
of
the
benefit
of
doubt
that
people
had
about
my
abilities
and
and
all
of
that,
so
I
don't
have
what,
although
I
have
been
to
evanston
enough,
isn't
habibi
inn
still
there
is
that
this
is
a
mediterranean.
I
like
mediterranean
food
like
a.
B
F
So
I
know
like
pita
in
is
all
over
the
place,
but
I
I
will
I
will
go
to
pita
in
as
well,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
hitting
all
these
other
restaurants,
you
guys
have
shared
with
me
and
with
us.
Thank
you
all
right.
So,
let's
I'm
to
try
to
crank
through
this
pretty
quickly.
F
So
listen,
there's
not
that
many
of
us,
if
I'm
talking
too
fast
or
there's
something
that
you
know
you
want
to
slow
down
and
have
a
conversation
about,
feel
free
to
throw
the
anchor
off
the
side
and
we'll
slow
down
for
a
while,
okay.
So
what
is
equity?
Why
are
we
talking
about
it
in
the
context
of
the
eec
just
real
quickly?
You
know
you've
already
gone
through
this.
F
In
the
context
of
why
it
matters
to
us
as
residents
of
evanston
in
particular,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
get
us
there
in
about
10
minutes,
see
how
that
works.
So
everyone's
seen
this
picture
all
right
so,
but
just
so
for
sake
of
completeness
there's
some
people
who
haven't
so
can
I
get
a
volunteer
to
kind
of
walk
us
through
what
what's
going
on
in
this.
This
picture.
G
I'll
give
it
a
shot,
okay,
so
on
equality,
everyone
has
a
let's
call
it
a.
What
is
that
a
platform
that.
H
G
G
The
barrier
is
being
addressed,
so
you
know
the
one
person
these
people
can't
see
because
they're
shorter
than
the
other
person,
so
the
barrier
is
being
addressed
and
so
they're,
given
you
know,
one
is
the
little
height
is
given
the
one
platform
the
shortest
is
given
to
two
so
that
they
all
can
be
over.
F
F
The
thing
I
really
like
to
emphasize,
though
that
is
important
for
all
of
us
who
have
been
grappling
with
and
thinking
about,
racial
equity
for
the
past
few
years,
is
to
really
go
down
one
more
level
and
to
grapple
with
the
fact
that
not
only
does
this
picture
mean
that
those
who
may
need
more
boxes
get
more,
but
that
those
who
definitely
don't
need
a
box
don't
get
a
box
and
at
the
crux
of
this
is
a
hard
conversation
we
have
to
have
with
each
other
around
what
redistribution
means
right.
F
There's
not
infinite
resources,
those
who
don't
need
the
box
upon
not
receiving
it
allows
our
society
to
actually
give
those
who
may
need
a
couple
of
more
boxes,
those
boxes,
but,
as
we
know,
and
given
the
mad
week
we've
had
there
are,
there
are
a
lot
of
misconceptions
and
disagreements
on
even
this
basic
picture
that
we're
looking
at
on
the
right.
There
are
people
who
actually
more
likely
are
metaphorically
aligned
with
the
person
who
is
the
shortest.
F
Who
would
get
inflamed
thinking
about
that
picture
on
the
right?
So,
let's
not
go
into
this
thinking.
Okay,
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
things
will
be
cool
like
it
is
a
a
fundamental
rethinking
about
how
government
and
distribution
and
the
creation
of
community
and
wealth
really
needs
to
look
like
in
the
future.
F
Of
course,
some
of
you
may
have
seen
this
picture.
This
is
what
we're
dealing
with
in
reality,
guys.
Okay,
it
is
not
only
do
those
who
don't
need
a
box,
don't
get
a
box,
but
in
our
society
right
now
they
get
all
the
boxes
right.
They
they
just
do
and
those
who
actually
need
a
few
of
those
boxes
are
not
even
standing
on
the
ground.
F
They're
they're,
coming
from
a
a
deeper
hole,
that's
been
dug
over
generations
and
generations
of
being
blocked
in
terms
of
full
citizenship
because
of
nation
of
origin
or
inability
to
buy
homes
and
transfer
wealth.
I
mean
that's
just
that's
where
we're
where
we're
at
so
with
that
understanding.
F
A
lot
of
us,
especially
in
this
space,
have
encountered
exercises
and
programs
in
organizations
that
attempt
or
that
address
individual
level
racism
and
it's
an
important
level,
and
I
by
no
means
you
know,
think
that
we
can
do
it
all.
So
I
generally
don't
tend
to
train
on
this
level.
Okay,
it's
it's
something
that
takes
a
really
long
time
can
be
done
fruitfully
and
beneficially
by
a
lot
of
different
opportunities.
That
individuals
have
like
whether
it's
through
their
formal
education
grade
school
high
school
college
whatever.
F
But
I
think
that
the
people
get
that
individual
level
racism
is
this
internet
internalized
and
interpersonal
right,
the
one
that
I
tend
to
focus
on
and
where
this
work
gets
hits
the
that
gets
the
most
bang
for
the
buck
or
hit
where
the
rubber
hits
the
road
for
us
is
around
institutional
racism,
okay
and
institutional
racism,
as
according
to
this
definition,
occurs
within
institutions
within,
and
it's
important
to
emphasize
that,
because
a
lot
of
my
work
generally
focuses
on
the
internal
environment
of
large
public
organizations,
whether
it's
government
or
non-profits.
F
I
work
with
leaders
inside
of
those
organizations
that
acknowledge
that,
in
institutional
racism
and
internalized,
racism
within
the
organization
is
continuously
blocking
or
creating
a
lot
of
drag
in
terms
of
what
they
say
they
want
to
accomplish
as
a
public
organization,
and
so
it's
always
been
a
privilege
to
work
with
leaders
who
are
ready
to
actually
move
forward
and
to
think
about
organizational
change.
That's
driven
by
racial
equity
and
that's
what
I
do.
F
This
particular
piece
with
you
guys
is
interesting,
and
you
know
kimberly
asked
me
to
consider
you
know
what
it
would
be
like
to
to
think
about
this
with
respect
to
a
board
or
a
commission
like
this.
That
is
really
not
internal
to
the
city
government
to
public
administration,
but
is
clearly
a
core
part
of
the
system
of
governance
that
evanston
has
established.
F
So
I
really
do
hope
that
we
we
get
there
like
I'll
I'll.
Show
you
a
little
more
later
on
in
terms
of
like
how
I'm
thinking
about
how
to
sort
of
think
about
your
position
and
your
power
and
what
might
be
a
really
important
sort
of
group
of
people
that
you
you
guys
might
be.
Uniquely
situated
to
actually
engage
and
addre
and-
and
you
know,
sort
of
develop,
so
what
does
structural
marginalization
and
inclusion
mean
in
evanston
that
this
was
part
of
the
the
john
powell
video?
F
So
I
just
want
to
read
a
couple
of
them
right.
Structural
marginalization
is
the
effect
of
systems
providing
preference
to
the
majority
or
privileged
and
disadvantaging
those
in
marginalized
populations.
F
You
know
we
talk
a
lot
about
structural
marginalization,
exclusion
and
you
know
how,
because
we
don't
have
meetings
in
the
fifth
ward
or
because
those
who
have
who
are
deaf
or
you
know
hard
of
hearing
or
or
whatever
it
is
like.
They
don't
get
a
chance
to
show
up
to
meetings
when
they
don't
even
know
they
exist
because
they
they
didn't
hear
about
them
or
they
they're
not
being
transmitted
in
an
inclusive
way.
You
know
he
goes
through
a
ton
of
examples,
but
towards
the
middle
of
his
video.
F
He
really
says
yeah,
but
you
know
it
sounds
really
simple
and
it
is,
and
one
sense
it
is,
is
how
how
to
combat
all
of
these
barriers
and
marginalizations
and
exclusions
is
for
us-
and
this
goes
to,
I
believe,
max
you're,
the
one
who
said
it.
Somebody
goes
if
this
is
a
solution-oriented
moment
for
him.
F
These
are
the
critical
communities
that
need
that
additional
box
that
need
a
little
more
attention
that
we
build
it
into
the
standard
operating
procedures
of
the
city
when
they're
going
to
have
a
public
meeting
so
that
none
of
us
have
to
worry
about
whether
or
not
they're
doing
it.
It's
part
of
the
ordinance,
it's
part
of
just
the
administrative
code,
whatever
it
is
so
the
eec,
while
external
to
internal
government
operations
does
have
a
strategic
role
to
play.
F
So
what
upon
just
sort
of
seeing
your
responses
and
and
reading
through
the
eec
and
like
some
of
the
work
that
you
guys
have
done
and
all
that
stuff,
as
I
want
to
emphasize
a
few
things
as
we
move
forward,
that
it's
clear
that
you
guys
you
connect
racial
equity
to
the
eec,
not
only
to
talk
about
race,
okay,
that
there's
navel
gazing.
That
much
is
is
not
in
anyone's
interest.
F
I
mean
you
yourselves,
I
believe
our
commission
and
we'll
we'll
look
at
this
down
the
road,
but
that
you
know
how
do
you
connect
racial
equity
if,
structurally,
there
are
dozens
of
boards
commissions
and
committees,
then
what
is
the
structural
solution
that
the
eec
can
think
of
to
actually
start
seeding
in
this?
The
concepts
of
racial
equity
and
racial
equity
approaches
across
a
structure
so
that
it's
not
just
a
one-off,
a
handing
off
of
a
fire
to
one
person
who
may
be
in
need.
F
So
how
can
we
build
the
case
that
the
structures
of
inclusion
are
necessary
to
move
evanston
forward
in
a
meaningful
and
effective
way,
so
I'm
going
to
stop
there
for
a
second,
I
think,
I'm
you
know
whenever
I'm
in
full
screen
sharing.
F
I
can
barely
see,
but
if,
if
we're
that
we're
going
to
develop
out
these
thoughts
and
these
ideas
through
the
vision
and
mission
as
well
as
through
the
exercise
where
you're
going
to
get
into
small
breakout
groups,
so
I
want
to
see
if,
if
anyone
has
any
cries
over
outrage,
if
I
just
move
forward
since
we're
about
10
minutes
behind
okay,
yes,
I
can't
see
your
faces.
F
F
Okay,
so
usually
this
part
of
a
retreat
can
easily
take
three
or
four
hours,
but
I
thought
that
okay
well,
look,
let's
just
talk
about
it
and
see
how
far
we
can
get
and
see
if
there's
like
more
word
smithing
or
something
or
thoughts
that
people
have
and
we
can
assign
this
through,
possibly
a
homework
piece
right.
So
I'm
trying
to
like
do
no
harm
by
blowing
through
this
way
quickly.
F
But
to
add
an
additional
element
of
thinking
about
like
where
you
guys
have
been,
where
you
want
to
go
really
it's
about
where
you
guys
want
to
go
so
here's
the
thing
here
are
common
challenges
that
happens
everywhere.
This
is
not
just
you
guys,
so
you
know
don't
don't
feel
like
you've
discovered
the
one
thing
that
every
other
group
that
tries
to
work
on
racial
equity
has
not
discovered,
which
is
you
know
you.
You
were
given
a
broad
purpose,
a
broad
mandate,
but
limited
access
and
powers
and
capacity.
F
A
lot
of
people
don't
know
what
racial
equity
means
on
a
practical
level,
so
it
gets
raised
and
everyone
acknowledges
it's
important
and
then
everyone
goes
and
drifts
off
and
keeps
on
doing
what
they're
doing
so
again,
that's
a
common
trait
once
they
actually
do
find
out
that
it
may
mean
a
shift
in
focus
and
resources
backlash
happens,
and
so
you
guys
might
have
gotten
close
to
that
or
whatever
you
know.
Like
things
happen,
you
know
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
like.
Oh
we're,
not
working
on
that
anymore.
F
F
So
one
of
the
ways
that
I
I
mean
you
know
I've
been
analyzing
and
thinking
about
what
can
your
commission
do
about
structural
marginalization
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
I
would
suggest
we
grapple
with
and
just
use,
as,
let's
just
say,
like
a
a
classroom
tool
like
it's?
It's
meaning
we're
using
this
to
learn
either
it's
going
to
stick
or
it
won't
if
something
else
sticks
great
all
right.
But
this
is
what
I
was
thinking
about.
F
So
these
are
the
the
three
bullets
that
kind
of
roast
the
topics.
I
was
thinking
about
you
guys
as
an
eec,
and
you
know
what
you
have
done
in
the
past
and
then
what
you
can
bring
forward
with
you
and
really
start
targeting
that
structural
change.
The
structural
inclusion
that
we're
trying
to
get
at
that
you
know,
professor
powell
is
really
exhorting
us.
We
got
to
think
at
the
the
level
of
institutions
and
structures,
but
first
we
have
to
start
refining
our
vision
and
mission
a
little
bit.
F
Okay,
because
it's
very
amorphous,
I
don't
think
that's
actually
totally
written
down
you.
I
shared
the
ordinance
back
with
you
guys,
the
one
that
established
the
eec,
but
I
don't
think
that
has
really
a
vision
or
mission
statement
really
in
it.
F
So
thing
is
2019-2020
city
council
goals.
It's
number
four,
with
the
picture
of
the
boxes
right,
insure,
equity
in
all
city
operations.
B
I
think
it
was
maybe
a
year
ago
when
the
city
council
was
deliberating
its
goals
and
we
had
to
maybe
the
year
before
we
had
to
suggest
that
equity
should
stay
one
of
the
city
council
goals.
B
There
was
that
conversation
about,
I
don't
know
it
felt
as
if
the
council
thought
they
had
created
a
commission
and
then
they
could
drop
equity
as
one
of
its
own
goals.
So
this
was
unless
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it
was
a
whole
discussion
about
whether
this
should
be
a
city,
council
goals
and
and
it-
and
it
makes
me
think
too,
is
to
your
previous
slide
about
the
our
focus
on
some
of
the
solutions
being
addressed
to
the
other
boards
commissions
and
committees
in
the
city
as
governance
structures.
B
But
there
are
other
important
governance
structures
too,
and
I
think
part
of
our
floundering
and
figuring
out.
What
our
mission
here
is
is:
are
we
looking
at
the
board's
commissions
and
committees,
or
are
we
looking
at
the
elected
the
local
electeds,
or
are
we
looking
at
city
staff,
or
are
we
looking
at
community
as
a
whole?
So
there
are
lots
of
different
avenues
for
us
to
tackle
equity,
and
part
of
this
has
been
trying
to
figure
out
where
but
again,
in
a
lot
of
ways.
B
B
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
that
james
because
you're
absolutely
right.
It
was
one
particular
argument
who
really
felt
it
needed
to
come
off
and
we
did
go
well
as
a
commission
before
the
council
to
get
them
to
understand
why
they
needed
to
keep
it
as
one
of
their
goals.
The
other
thing
is
that
evans.
We
have
a
history
of
starting
a
lot
of
different,
a
lot
of
different
things,
and,
and
I
mean
I
can
go
back
many
many
years,
but
just
into
2010
when
this
became
sort
of
the.
I
I
want
to
say
the
spearhead
for
all
of
this,
because
we
were
experiencing
so
many
issues
within
the
community
and
race
became
a
really
top
thing
and
at
that
time
man
tisdale,
if
you
all
remember,
called
together
several
community.
I
guess
town
halls
when
people
came
to
really
express
their
feelings
about
race,
and
so
I'm
just
saying
all
this
built
up.
I
It
didn't
just
come
out
of
the
blue
and
one
of
the
things
as
to
why
I
think
it's
so
broad
is
because
not
only
were
we
looking
at
the
city
and
its
operations,
which
would
include
then
all
of
the
not-for-profits,
and
that
the
city
funds
it
to
look
at
them
and
to
see
where
they
were
as
well
as
within
the
staff
you
have
to
start
at
home,
so
they
need
to
clean
up
house
first.
So
I
think
yes,
it
was
a
big
task
that
was
offered.
I
I
mean
you
know
for
us
to
do,
but
the
thinking
was
that
if
the
city
began
to
look
at
its
structure
in
a
lot
of
other
pieces,
I'm
I'm
sorry
I'm
moving
around.
But
it's
just
reminding
me
of
how
this
came
about,
because
at
the
same
time,
if
you
remember
credit
to
career
was
being
developed
and
one
of
the
things
that
everybody
was
really
happy
about
is
that
cradle
career
was
going
to
deal
with
systems
change.
I
And
so
we
were
all
excited
that
we're
going
to
come
in
and
change
all
these
systems.
That
we
knew
were
some
of
the
reasons
as
to
why
there
were
so
many
obstacles
there
for
parts
of
our
community
in
whatever
right
it
could
be
the
disability
community
or
whatever.
I
So
all
these
pieces
have
been
there
and
there's
been,
I
want
to
say
attempts
and
working
at
each
one
of
them
and
then
it
just
sort
of
fell
to
the
commission,
for
I
guess
the
catch-all
I
don't
want
to
make
it,
but
that's
what
it
feels
like,
and
so
yes,
the
task
felt
like
a
mountain.
You
know
even
in
terms
of
that,
but
it
had
a
good
goal
in
terms
of.
I
If
we
were
able
to
do
it,
then
you
would
be
able
to
have
a
city
who
really
was
looking
at
all
of
its
citizens
and
trying
to
remove
every
obstacle
so
that
everybody
not
only
was
getting
being
treated
fairly,
which
would
be
equity.
I
mean
equality,
but
also
based
upon
needs
which
would
be
equity.
Yes,.
F
Yes,
no
thank
you.
I
mean
both
jane
and
dolores,
so
I
know
I
know
a
lot
of
I've
worked
with
different
municipalities
and
I
know
evanston
likes
to
also
think
it's
super
special
and
unique,
and
I'm
just
gonna
say
in
this
case
no
you're
not
and
and
that's
a
good
thing.
Actually,
it's
it's
good,
because
if
you
were
that
unique,
I
don't
think
I
would
have
taken
this
project
on
because
I'll
be
like
no,
we
can't
fix
that.
F
The
mandate
was
broad
and
I
do
think
that
there
are
definitely
ways
again.
Remember
the
slide,
a
couple
of
the
backlash
and
and
the
way
that
people
once
they
start
realizing
what
the
implications
might
actually
be,
of
course,
they're
going
to
trap
it
try
to
drop
it
off.
Of
course,
they're
going
to
give
you
such
a
broad
mandate
and
give
you
very
little
actual
authority
to
get
into
city
operations.
I
mean
that
was
I
read
the
ordinance
and
I
was
like.
Oh
what?
How
are
you
guys
supposed
to?
F
F
Not
eating
the
whole
whale
of
all
city
operations,
but
actually
saying
yourselves.
Look
if
you
guys
are
a
commission
and
there's
all
these
other
commissions
out
there
and
boards,
and
no
one
really
knows
whether
or
not
they're,
even
talking
about
racial
equity
or
if
they
even
know
what
racial
equity
is
or,
if
anyone's
even
reached
out
to
them
to
have
a
conversation
about
it.
Why
not
start
with
that
part
of
the
whale
that
you're
you're
closest
to
because
again,
these
boards
and
commissions,
as
much
as
to
delores
your
point?
F
One
of
them
can
be
to
actually
train
up
new
cohorts
of
residents
who
understand
racial
equity
and
the
role
of
boards
and
commissions
and
who
would
be
willing
to
serve
just
as
a
thought
I
mean
again
like
this
is
just
given
this
situation
with
evanston
city
council
goals
and
how
broad
that
is.
My
first
thought,
I'm
just
very.
F
B
That
to
me
tells
me
that
the
city
council
should
be
focusing
inward
on
on
the
city
as
a
government,
its
operations,
its
protocols
policies,
and,
I
think
part
of
our
frustration
is
we
don't
see
it's
not
apparent
to
us
that
we
see
a
lot
of
this
happening,
and-
and
so
I
don't
know,
I'm
feeling
as
if
part
of
our
frustration
is,
we
want
to
jump
in
on
it,
whereas
the
city
council
has
taken
on
itself
this
ensuring
equity
in
all
city
operations
and
where.
F
Does
that
leave
us
yeah
so
jane,
I
I
mean
and
and
to
the
rest
of
you,
what
I'm
proposing,
given
the
structural
realities
of?
What
that's
saying
is
that
again,
the
internal
environment
of
government
is
not
the
only
place
where
governance
happens,
yeah
that
the
boards
and
commissions
that
even
that
you're
sitting
on
is
part
of
the
governance
structure,
and
that,
if
no
one's
paying
attention
to
this
part
of
evanston
right,
because
the
aldermen
may
or
may
not
be
paying
attention,
the
city
government
may
or
may
not
be
paying
attention.
F
F
The
mission
statement
is
also
the
city
of
evanston
is
committed
to
promoting
the
highest
quality
of
life
for
all
residents
by
providing
fiscally
sound,
responsive
municipal
services
and
delivering
those
services
equitably
professionally
and
with
the
highest
degree
of
integrity.
Okay,
I
we
can't
do
anything
about
this.
This
is
this
is
way
beyond
our
pay
grade.
F
This
is
what's
it,
the
city
of
evanston
is
saying,
but
what
I'm
kind
of
pushing
you
guys
to
consider
is
thinking
about
the
mission
and
vision
statements
for
you
as
the
eec
in
a
more
strategic
and
focused
way
right,
don't
get
distracted
by
that,
because,
that's
all
to
me
a
distraction
right,
it's
it's
like.
They
want
to
say
really
big,
broad
things
and
then
drop
a
group
of
people
in
there
to
try
to
fix
all
the
big
broad
things,
but
not
give
them
the
direction
or
the
tools
or
any
of
that.
F
So
what
I'm
saying
is
this
moment
now
thinking
a
little
bit
more
strategically
about
okay,
what
is
our
vision
and
what
is
the
mission
that
we
can
accomplish
in
the
next
three
years,
and
so
just
so
we're
on
the
same
page
right.
A
vision
statement
really
focuses
on
tomorrow,
like
tomorrow,
like
the
long
tomorrow
and
what
an
organization
ultimately
wants
to
become,
or
a
commission
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
a
mission
statement
is
about
today
and
what
we
can
do
today
to
start
achieving
it
right.
F
So
we
need
a
vision,
because
it's
our
north
star
and
sometimes
you
might
get
lost
in
the
weeds
when
we're
trying
to
deal
with
our
programs
or
like
with
the
next
steps
and
everything.
So
we've
got
to
be
able
to
look
up
and
be
like.
Oh
yeah,
that's
right!
You
agreed
that
the
ec
really
was
going
in
this
direction,
but
you
also
still
need
a
mission
statement.
You
still
need
to
figure
out
okay.
F
What
are
the
next
steps
that
we're
going
to
focus
on
today
so
that
we
get
closer
to
that
vision
and
both
are
vital
in
directing
all
the
goals
that,
hopefully,
we
will
map
out
by
the
end
of
the
second
session,
so
right
now
we're
just
still
in
that
process
of
figuring
this
piece
out
so
again
the
vision
statement,
it's
about
what
you
want
to
become
it's
aspirational
and
so
questions
are
things
like
this?
What
are
our
hopes
and
dreams?
F
So
this
is
ee,
so,
let's
just
I'd
like
to
just
go
around,
I'm
realizing
that's
1003
and
we
are
definitely
now
behind
by
20
minutes,
not
10..
We
started
late,
so
I'm
not
gonna
hold
myself
campbell
for
the
10..
I
think
the
question
I
have
is
I'm,
assuming
that
we
have
a
hard
stop
at
11
right,
yeah,
okay,
so
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
this.
I
want
to
get
us
and
you
know,
feel
free
to
use
the
chat
box.
F
So
let
me
just
move
forward
so
the
mission
statement
that
we
will
ultimately
get
to
is
what
you're
going
to
do
at
the
core
of
your
work.
Okay,
so
it
comes
from
the
objectives
and,
finally,
what
it
takes
to
reach
those
objectives.
So
it
also
shapes
your
commission's
culture,
so
these
are
you
know
these
questions,
that
our
mission
should
focus
on
what
the
eec
has
the
most
reasonable
control
and
influence
over
keeping
in
mind
the
capacity
and
time
constraints
of
members.
F
F
So
what
the
exercises
that
I've
set
up
for
you
guys
to
really
start
thinking
about.
This
is
understanding
the
networks
of
commissions,
task
forces,
boards
and
committees.
Okay,
so
what
does
that
mean?
This
is
about
a
40-minute
exercise.
So
that's
why
I'm
pushing
us
a
little
bit
to
get
us
centered
and
focused
on
a
potential
community
of
participants
right.
So
going
back
to
the
mission
statements
like
who
do
you
serve?
It's
like
and
a
lot
of
you
might
be.
F
I
serve
the
the
people
of
evans
if
that's
fine
for
a
vision,
I'm
talking
about
a
mission.
Who
is
your
target
group?
Who
do
you
have
potentially
the
most
inroads
to
or
the
most
sort
of
consensus
to
to
engage,
and
it
can't
be
all
of
the
people
of
evanston?
We
got
it.
We
got
to
kind
of
you
know
narrow
and
focus
it
down.
F
So
I'm
going
to
send
this
off
to
you
guys
so
that
you
have
a
copy
of
this,
but
this
comes
from.
Actually,
in
fact,
I
don't
know
kimberly
if
you're
around,
if
you
can
just
post
the
link
in
the
the
chat
room
oops.
But
it's
it's
right
here.
Sorry
guys,
I
just
messed
up
my
so
here's
what
I
would
like
you
guys
to
to
do
right.
So
there's
over
25
groups,
just
boards
and
commissions
and
there's
like
task
forces
and
all
this
stuff.
F
But
it's
really
important
if
you
to
click
on
the
link,
look
at
who
who
is
live
there,
what
they're
working
on
and
where
does
racial
equity
get
raised
or
not?
I'm
gonna.
Let
me
just
fast
track
it
for
you
guys.
I
went
through
probably
10
of
these
links
and
I
I
couldn't
find
the
word
equity
or
race
in
about
10
of
them.
F
F
So
none
of
these
boards
and
committees-
you
guys
aren't
on
the
inside,
but
clearly
there's
a
reason
why
city,
council
and
the
mayor
and
whoever
established
you
guys,
but
even
in
that
first
inner
ring
if
no
one's
talking
about
racial
equity
or
race,
that
that
might
be
a
target
rich
environment
to
start
it,
I'm
just
saying
so:
here's
the
breakout
group
so
for
the
next
20
minutes.
I
want
you
guys
to
also
go
take
a
little
bit
of
a
bio
break.
F
F
If
we
came
up
with
a
set
of
questions,
how
comfortable
would
you
feel?
What
else
would
you
need?
Are
you
ready
now,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
do
is
20
minutes
in
a
small
group
exercise,
and
then
I
want
to
keep
20
minutes
at
the
end,
for
large
group
report
backs
all
right.
So
with
that
said,
I
think
that
I
kimberly
did
we
coordinate
this
brilliantly
so
that
there's.
F
It's
1008,
I'm
gonna,
give
us
two
minutes,
so
at
10
wait
hold
on
and
then
10
30
we'll
pull
you
back
into
this
main
room.
I
am
gonna
here
hold
on
a
second
before
you
guys
leave
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
I'm
gonna.
I'm
gonna
share
the
slide
deck
right
right
in
the
chat
here,
and
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
enough
of
you,
like
in
a
group
that
one
of
you
should
be
able
to
pull
the
slide
deck
up.
F
Okay,
if
you
have
any
problems,
I
will
we'll
pop
in
and
check
and
make
sure
you
have
access
to
the
slides.
But
this
is
like
you
guys
just
spending
those
20
minutes
answering
the
questions
in
slides,
24
and
25.
A
You
you
should
pop
up
and
you
should
see,
break
out
and
click
on
that
button.
Please.
E
And
also
I
just
tried,
so
we
just
need
to
request
access
to
get
access
like
yeah,
we'll.
I
A
F
Oh
wow,
so
listen!
So
here's
the
thing
we
just
went
through
this
exercise
and
I
want
to
hear
back
from
each
group
I'm
going
to
give
you
guys
about
10
minutes.
We
might
run
a
little
later,
but
really
the
outcomes
like
I
just
want
to
flash
forward
right
next
steps
because
we're
meeting
again
in
two
weeks
right.
So
I
do
think
that
there's
I
just
want
to
forward
you
guys
like
skip
through
what
are
some
of
the
the
next
steps
like
anchoring
our
work.
F
Doing
some
more
reading
analysis
like
some
of
you
are
like
I
wanted
something
to
read.
I'm
like
okay
did
never
say
that
to
a
professor,
because
now
I
give
you
all
the
things
okay.
So
if
I
can
give
you
a
couple
of
things
to
read,
if
you
want
to
read
it,
but
around
mission
vision
stuff
like
that-
and
you
know
for
us
to
possibly
keep
on
deepening
this
exercise
that
we're
doing
into
something
that
might
really
create.
F
Maybe
a
concrete
path
forward
to
thinking
about
how
structurally
the
eec
can
model
structural
inclusion,
how
it
can
it
can
really
target
some
some,
I'm
not
asking
you
to
do
all
so,
let's
do
a
quick.
I
got
a
timer,
so
it's
10
34..
F
I
don't
care
group,
there
are
two
groups,
so
why
don't
we
go
with
group
two,
since
two
always
goes
after
one?
Can
you
guys
just
report
out?
You
know
what
were
some
of
the
the
surprises
like
you,
you
reviewed
the
boards
and
commissions
which
ones
did
you
feel
should
have
a
strong
racial
equity
focus?
F
Were
you
able
to
find
some
members?
What
would
be
some
questions
and
you
know,
and
ultimately,
how
did
you
guys
feel
check
in
with
each
other
about?
Could
you
just
literally
email
and
pick
up
a
call,
a
phone
and
talk
with
someone
and
get
some
of
these
interview,
questions
off
the
ground,
even
possibly
in
the
next
two
weeks,
so
I'm
gonna
stop
there.
So
I
don't
know
who
group
two
was.
C
Yeah,
I
think
we
there's
a
couple
of
things
and
I'll
start
with
some
of
the
you
know
we
leaned
into
the
topics
that
we
felt
that
are
you
know
that
the
the
the
residents
of
evanston
struggle
with
or
where
systemic
racism
really
shows
up,
and
so
we
talked
a
lot
about
issues
relevant
to
housing.
But
we
also
had
a
lot
of
questions,
though,
about
what
are
the
roles
or
powers
of
these
commissions?
I'll
say
that,
but
we
did
lift
up
issues
of
housing
with
the
design
and
project
review
zoning
planning.
C
Those
came
up
because
you
know-
and
I'm
speaking
now
for
myself,
because
housing
and
affordability
seem
to
be
are
a
big
issue.
So
that's
how
we
got
picking
or
wanting
to
understand
a
little
bit
more,
and
we
asked
a
lot
of
melissa
to
talk
to
us
about
design
and
project
review.
Zoning
planning
and
economic
development
right.
C
We
were
really
curious
about
the
library
board
and
maybe
they
could
be
used
as
a
resource,
because
they
know
that
they
have.
You
know
they
have
they've
come
together
because
of
the
lack
of
racial
equity
or
the
sense
from
the
community
that
there
wasn't
one
there
with
the
firing
of
staff,
member
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
So
we
thought
you
know
we
need
to
lean
into
the
backlash.
We
need
to
lean
into
the
tension
and
this
seems
to
be
a
board
that
has
had
to
deal
with
it.
C
So
we
are
curious
about
the
library
board
and
we
definitely
lifted
up
the
citizen
police
review.
Commission
that
the
issue
of
policing
obviously
is
a
huge
issue
and
we
didn't
have
the
chance
to
look
at
each
of
these
commissions
to
know
which
ones
have
speak
to
having
a
racial
equity
framework,
but
we
definitely
lifted
up
policing
and
that
commission
as
a
potential
place
to
go
what
else.
C
We
we
kind
of
ran
at
a
time
when
we
got
to
the
mental
health
board,
but
felt
that
that's
also
an
appropriate
place
to
go
and
one
of
the
issues
that
kimberly
brought
up.
C
That,
I
think
was
really
amazing
is
how
can
we
be
strategic,
it's
like
who
makes
recommendations
or
makes
decisions
and
has
access
to
to
money,
funding
and
again
it's
like
money
and
decision
making
should
be
criteria
by
so
we
can
be
strategic
with
which
commissions
to
work
with,
and
then
melissa
just
talked
about,
which
was
really
important
like
how
we
standardize
racial
equity
like
using
a
racial
equity
assessment
tool,
but
making
sure
that
this
is
standard
across
all
commissions
and
the
role
that
we
complain
helping
to
do
that.
F
Nice
anyone
else
from
the
group
what
you
guys
have
a
couple
more
minutes,
just
wanna,
make
sure
we
captured
everything.
That's
great
so.
A
Oh
dolores,
I
was
just
saying
I
was
I
was
putting
each
other
chairs
in
one
committee:
it'll
be
jane,
miss
holmes,
kathy
and
mack,
carla,
carla,
carla,
sorry,
okay,.
F
All
right,
well,
I
mean:
do
you
guys
want
to
jane?
Are
you
or
dolores?
Do
you
want
to
kick
us
off
or
whoever?
And
you
know
if
you
want
to
just
double
click
on
some
of
the
groups
and
then
you
know,
talk
a
bit
about
yeah
like
questions
or
like
what
you'd
be
curious
about
finding
out
about
them.
B
The
lead
sure,
as
kind
of
like
the
other
group,
as
alejandra
said,
we
looked
at
where
the
power
and
the
money
is
so
which
of
the
boards
and
commissions
and
committees
become
the
bcc's,
have
control
over
some
pot
of
money,
and
that
would
be
the
mental
health
board
was
one
of
them
and
the
cdpg
committee,
and
then
we
thought
about
to
who's
making
decisions,
or
at
least
has
the
ability
to
influence
city
council
decisions
and
the
plan
commission
was
one
of
those.
B
So
and
then
we
also
agreed
that
the
citizen
police
review
board
was
an
important
one
to
look
at
economic
development
committee,
the
arts,
council
and
then
the
design
and
project
review
agree
again
that
there's
an
opportunity
there
and
I
mentioned
to
parks
and
recreation
board.
B
They
seem
to
have
the
the
ability
to
direct
or
influence
the
allocation
of
or
the
amenities
programs
facilities.
And
so
we
had
some
questions
that
I
put
in
the
chat
box.
We
wondered
if
there
were
a
standing,
affordable,
housing
committee.
We
weren't
quite
sure
if
that
was
housing
and
homelessness,
commission
or
ad
hoc
committee.
That
might
be
amenable.
That
might
be
a
good
audience
for
this.
B
We
talked
about
whether
or
not
the
applications
for
appointment
to
the
bccs
include
a
question
about
background
or
training
and
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
as
a
criteria,
and
then
it'd
be
important
to
know
who
the
chairs
of
those
commissions
and
staff
liaisons
would
be,
because
I
thought
it
might
be
interesting
if
we,
as
as
a
commission,
developed
a
standard
presentation
that
we
could
ask
to
get
on
the
agenda
of
each
one
of
these
bccs
and
do
a
presentation
about
here's.
B
How
a
board
commissioner
committee
can
approach
equity
in
its
operations
and
decisions,
and
that
might
be
an
opportunity
to
to
get
on
the
agenda
and
get
their
attention
that
way
in
addition
to
the
the
person-to-person
connection,
so
we
all
seem
to
know
someone
on
the
board's
commissions
and
committees,
I'm
looking
at
the
interview
questions
and
we
would
want,
as
carlos
said,
lead
with.
So
what
are
you
doing
to
support
equity
in
your
work?
Okay,.
I
Jane,
did
you
ask,
did
you
I'm
sorry,
I
missed
it,
you
did,
did
you
put
which
staff
person
staffs
each
one
of
the
commissions,
oh
yeah,.
F
Okay,
so
I
caught
you
guys
were
raising
quite
like
you
would.
These
are
open
questions
that
you'd,
like
you
would
raise,
which
are
what
do
the
applications
actually
look
like?
Are
there
any
questions
on
there
about
racial?
Like
just
you
know,
racial
equity,
training
or
diversity
training?
Just
any
awareness
of
this.
B
Issue
just
in
the
city's
form
application
are
we
here
it
is.
Can
please
posted
it.
Thank
you
simply
well,.
F
So
there's
there's
gonna
be
potentially
a
lot
of
interesting
follow-ups
and
follow-throughs
on
something
like
this,
so
I
would
say
I
mean
I
guess.
The
question
I
generally
have
is
is:
is
this
something
I
so
I
don't
think
you
necessarily
can
get.
You
know
all
of
this
like
review
the
application
and
do
this
and
do
that
in
two
weeks.
F
What
what
if
you
guys
committed
to
identifying
one
person
on
the
boarding
commission?
Maybe
we
create
a
shared
google
doc,
so
we
don't
hit
the
same
person
up
like
three
times
to
actually
have
a
conversation
about
racial
equity
in
the
city
and
how
boards
and
commissions
starting
to
really
exemplify
or
pick
that
banner
up
on
this
first
ring
outside
of
internal
city
operations
might
actually
be.
F
You
know
a
a
really
important
component
to
to
moving
racial
equity
forward,
even
within
the
city.
I
you
know
actually
in
fact
like.
F
Oh
okay,
thanks
sorry
you're
you're
still
in
a
small,
tiny
box,
but
you
know
what
has
been
your
experience
working
with
other
boards
and
commissions
and
committees.
J
With
respect
to
equity,
yes,
well,
it
depends
on
the
board
and
commission,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
become
an
issue
that
we're
much
more
aware
of.
In
recent
years
I
sit
on
or
have
sat
on,
probably
four
or
five
of
those
committees,
economic.
J
I
I
don't
have
the
list
right
up
in
front
of
me,
but
I
I
have
sat
on
or
dudes
it
on
a
number
of
those
and
certainly
on
economic
development.
It's
it's
become
it's
a
regular
topic
with
us.
What
our
group
was
discussing
was
coming
up
with
some
kind
of
racial
equity
tool,
so
that
you,
you
can
have
uniformity
across
all
of
the
boards
and
commissions
so
that,
to
the
extent
that
we
can
have
the
everyone
when
they're
talking
about
racial
equity
generally
be
talking
about
the
same
thing.
J
I
think
important,
I'm
also
on
the
housing
community
development
block
grant
committee
and
of
course,
racial
equity
is
a
critical
issue
in
terms
of
determining
where
how
we
spend
money,
but
that's
also,
that
would
still
be
used
very
useful
to
have
a
racial
equity
tool
there.
J
I
so
I,
but
I
I
think
you
know,
for
instance,
the
plan
commission,
you
know
it's
not
necessarily
some
a
group
that
you
would
think
is
thinking
about
racial
equity,
but
I
still
think
it
would
be
useful
for
them
to
be
trained
as
they
you
know,
start
thinking
about
development
in
evanston,
making
sure
that
you're,
you
understand
what
racial
equity
is.
So
I
you
know
I
I
think
for
on
the
committees
that
certainly
allocate
money.
J
This
has
been
a
topic
that
we
are
regularly
addressing
and
talking
about,
but
it
still
isn't
uniform.
So
I
think
we
have
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
tool
so
that
you,
as
kimberly
in
our
group,
was
saying
you
know
it
removes
some
of
the
subjectivity
so
that
we,
especially
when
you're
allocating
money,
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
following
the
same
set
of
guidelines.
F
Sure
sure,
oh
no,
I
appreciate
thanks
for
sort
of
expanding
our
un
collective
understanding
of
where
different
pccs
are
at.
You
know,
really
I
mean
the
next
steps
I
mean
I.
I
know
that
this
is
a
short
two
hours
and
given
the
news
that
just
came
out
and
it's
a
beautiful
day,
I
want
to
get
us
out
of
here
by
11.
F
all
right,
but
I
think
some
of
the
outcomes
that
we
have
been
able
to
get
close
to
and
or
achieve
is
actually
I
think
we
got
there
so
to
level
set
on
what
racial
equity
means
for
the
work
of
the
eec
in
the
city
of
evanston
we're
closer.
We
definitely
have
to
skip
through
that
real
quick.
F
So
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
for
us
to
take
this
experience
of
thinking
about
the
boards
and
commissions
and
to
maybe
do
a
bit
of
an
a
homework
piece
for
you
guys
to
think
about
what
would
what
would
a
three-year
plan
look
like
and
and
to
derive
a
mission
from
that
and
then,
potentially,
with
the
planning
exercises,
you
know
what
what
could
we
get
out
from
listening
to
other
bcc
members?
F
Where
does
racial
equity
factor
into
any
kind
of
orientation,
or
I
assume
that
board
members
have
an
orientation
right,
so
some
training?
Where
does
that
show
up?
So
you
know
here's
here's
the
thing
that
I
showed
you
guys
all
like.
So
how
do
we?
How
do
we
start
thinking
about
this
stuff?
Is
there
something
that
we're
missing
and
what
I
propose
is
this:
you
guys
popcorn
out
all
of
the
things
you've
been
like
that
came
out
of
the
exercise
or
or
earlier
I.
F
I
can't
promise
that
I'll
be
able
to
incorporate
all
of
them
into
the
next
two
hours,
but
if
we
were
to
do
a
little
bit
of
homework
like
similar
to
the
video,
but
is
anyone
I
mean,
I
don't
know
how
to
frame
this.
I'd
really
like
to
encourage
you
guys
to
reach
out
to
one
other
person
on
another
commission.
Given
that
you
sit
on
the
eec,
it's
not
going
to
seem
strange,
like
you
can
just
be
like
look.
You
know,
I'm
on
the
eec
and
we're
kind
of
doing
this.
F
That's
what
I
really
I
think
will
inform,
even
our
understanding
of
where
people
are
at
or
where
they're
not
at
or
or
whatever.
So
that's
that's
something
that
I
would
like
us
to
at
least
put
one
call
in
how
unreasonable
or
reasonable
do
you
think
that
would
be.
C
That'd
be
awesome,
and
maybe
if
maybe
anybody
on
staff
or
no,
we
really
relied
on
melissa.
We
were
like.
So
what
does
this
committee
do?
What
does
that
committee
do
and
then
maybe,
next
to
the
actual
committee
somebody
could
put
in
like
what
their
purpose
or
power
is
at
least
just
to
give
us
more
context,
and
if
we
do
that
in
a
google
document
that
would
just
make
it
easy
and
again
I
don't
know,
does
this
break
any
of
the
rules
about
doing
collective
work?
I
don't
know
so
I
I
rely
on
those
of
you.
C
Who've
worked
for
the
city
to
tell
us
that
too,
because
it
sounds
really
practical
and
really
doable.
I
And
could
we
maybe
come
up
with
before
we
leave
maybe
three
basic
questions
that
we
would
want
to
ask
the
person
that
we're
going
to
talk
to
and
so
that
we
would
all
be
asking
the
same
thing.
Yeah
in
that
way
would
be
a
better
comparison.
I
agree.
Dolores.
F
E
E
Suggest,
rather
than
looking
at
all
of
them,
there
was
significant
overlap.
Maybe
this
was
already
said,
but
can
we
also
just
agree
on
the
like
eight
or
whatever
committees
that
we're
looking
at
or
abort
bbc's
or
are
we
are
we
trying
to
look
at
all
of
them
and
find
a
person
in
all
of
them?
Are
we
just
looking
at
them.
F
A
G
I
A
F
I
think
that
dolores's
point
like
especially
if
we
have
like
you
know
maybe
we're
at
10
54.
If
we
go
over
a
couple
minutes,
can
we
just
brainstorm
those
three
four
questions
and
then
you
know
I
can
work
back
and
forth
with
kimberly
to
just
finalize
some
of
the
language
around
it.
But
what
are
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
collectively
ask
each
person
that
we
would
talk
to
off
of
each
of
these.
I
Well,
the
first
question
I
think
would
be
have
you:
has
there
been
any
discussion
around
equity
in
your
commission
or
on
your.
J
I
I
think
we
gotta
back
up
even
further
and
say
you
know,
I
mean
we're
so
far
into
it
that
we
have
to
realize
that
a
lot
of
people
are
still
on
the
edge.
How.
J
A
F
Okay,
you
know
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
just
wondering
I
mean
a
couple
of
things.
Is
I
think
there
you're
right
on
you
shouldn't
assume
that
you
know
people
will
even
know
what
you're
talking
about
when
you
raise
the
term
racial
equity.
F
I
think
that
I
I
hear
a
lot
of
you
kind
of
interchangeably,
using
equity
versus
racial
equity
and
and
there's
there's,
there's
a
big
question
mark
out
there.
Some
people
insist
that
it's
social
equity,
some
people
say
that.
Well,
when
you
say
racial
equity,
then
what
about
those
with
disabilities
or
women
or
whatever?
And
there
is
kind
of
a
an
internal
discussion
that
maybe
we
should
still
have
because
there's
there's
some
who
say
yeah
we
can
drop
the
race
part
from
that
and
others
who
are
like.
I
Well,
kathleen
we
spent,
I
want
to
say
three
or
four
months
on
that
very
question
in
terms
of
why
and
why
we
finally
ended
up
with
saying
that
our
priority
was
racial
equity.
Okay,
so
I
I
I
mean
the
new
members
may
not
know
that,
but
we
did
spend
a
lot
of
time
discussing
that
and
had
to
get
comfortable
with
it,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
questions
raised.
Yes,
you
know
in
terms
of
why
we
wanted
to
do
that,
but.
B
F
F
F
So
is
this
your
job
right
so
like
it
kind
of
going
back
to
this
question
of
what
is
the
mission
and
the
role
that
the
eec
wants
to
lean
into
and
play,
and
once
we
get
that
all
hammered
down,
then
you
know
really
starting
to
to
reach
out
and
and
to
do
that
first
piece
of
work
to
really
figure
out.
Where
are
your
other
commission
members
on
this
issue?
F
Okay,
so
I'm
just
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there
like,
if
you
guys
want
to
make
a
few
phone
calls,
I'm
all
for
that
as
well,
but
I'm
just.
I
think
that
we
should
be
prepared
that
most
of
us
who
swim
in
this
work
experienced
and
we're
comfortable
with
it.
But
sometimes
you
just
you
know
you
might
encounter
that
one
person
you're
you're,
just
like!
Oh
that's,
that's
a
lot
of
stuff.
B
A
couple
of
things
one
is
kimberly:
is
it
possible
to
get
contact
information
for
members
of
our
boards
commissions
and
committees.
A
What
I
can
do
is
because
I'm
actually
putting
together
the
purpose
in
the
spreadsheet
right
now,
as
you
guys
are
speaking,
I
could
put
the
staff
liaison
and
the
chair
of
the
committees
on
here
so
that
way
that
could
be
a
start
for
you
all
and
then,
if
you
need
to,
if
you
know
individuals
outside
of
that,
then
you
can
reach
out.
Of
course,
would
that
be
helpful?.
B
Yeah,
my
second
comment
is
to
is
to
reiterate
what
alejandra
suggested
is
that
this
could
be
considered
a
communication
having
to
do
with
the
work
of
the
of
our
commission,
and
so
we
cannot
collaborate
in
a
document.
I
don't
think
without
violating
the
open
meetings
act,
especially
related
to
the
the
business
of
the
commission,
so
maybe
there's
a
way.
A
I
would
not
agree
with
that.
Actually,
because
the
document
is
not
a
communication
form
you're
just
putting
information
into
it.
It
would
be
a
violation
if
you
was
using
the
chat
and
you
were
going
back
and
forth
and
communicating
in
that
way.
But
if
you're
just
inputting
your
information,
it's
just
the
document
that
we're
working
off
of.
A
Unless
there's
some
type
of
you
know
back
and
forth
in
regards
to
a
chat
feature,
then
that
would
be
considered
a
violation,
but
if
you're
just
inputting
information,
it's
one-way
communication.
That
is
fine
and
someone
can
respond
to
one-way
communication
individually.
Then
that
would
not
be
a
violation.
So.
A
A
F
E
F
E
No
kathleen,
I
just
wanted
to
to
kind
of
reinforce
what
you're
saying
about
what
questions
we
ask
and
how
we
ask
them,
particularly
in
this
week,
when
we've
done,
you
know,
polling
around
the
nation,
to
say
that
I
think
it
behooves
us
to
be
really
thoughtful
about
consistency
of
how
what
we're
asking
and
how
we're
asking
it
right,
because
you
know
crappy
data.
E
You
know
crappy
questions,
crappy
data
in
crappy
day
out,
and
so
I
I
might
want
to
suggest
just
taking
a
step
back
to
really
have
a
consistent
question
that
doesn't
kind
of
lead
anyone
anywhere,
but
that's
very
open-ended,
to
start
to
know
what
people
are
thinking,
because
we
don't
want
to
close
responses
off
before
we
even
you
know,
get
started.
J
I
I
agree.
I
I
don't
want
people
to
feel
like
we're,
challenging
them
in
some
way
that
they
haven't
that
somehow
or
that
they
aren't
fulfilling
their
mission,
and
so
we
we,
I
I
agree
kathy
in
terms
of
this-
should
be
a
an
inquiry
that
that
that
I
think
we
we're
we're
trying
to
open
up
the
dialogue
and
offer
some
support
or
help
in
in
creating
this
discussion
about
equity
and
not
challenging
them
saying.
So.
What
have
you
done?
You
know
I
don't
want.
J
C
C
Be
like
we,
you
know,
as
we
are
reviewing
our
own
role
and
purpose.
You
know
we
are
reaching
out
to
different
commissions
to
help
understand
what
and
how
you
all
are
working
to
build
your
racial
equity
analysis
or
something
but
but
start
from
this.
This
is
why
we're
reaching
out
to
you,
because
we
are
ourselves
reviewing
our
work
and
purpose.
C
F
So
here's
what
I'm
hearing,
though,
in
the
next
two
weeks,
if
we
get
this
google
document
up
and
running
I'll
work
out
with
kim,
like
the
the
whole
open
meetings,
question
about
like
working
on
a
google
doc,
but
alejandra
like
and
and
kathy
and
melissa.
F
I
hear
you,
let's
take
the
next
two
weeks
to
really
think
about
the
script
and
what
we're
trying
to
get
across
and
how
and
also
to
maybe
use
part
of
the
time
in
the
next
two
hour,
retreat
to
do
a
little
bit
of
role
play
right,
break
you
guys
down
your
groups,
and
you
know
I'll
I'll.
Think
of
something.
J
H
F
Let's,
let's
do
that
and
then
you
know
I'll
I'll
rebuild
in
the
the
a
little
bit
of
work
around
the
mission
statement
and
a
strategic
plan,
because
again,
even
if
we
start
this
should
be
part
of
your
work
right.
We
shouldn't
jam
this
all
into
like
november
and
december.
It
should
be
part
of
what
does
this
look
like
as
a
launching
pad
for
what?
What
would
be
the
next
step
after
you
get
all
this
information
in
there's
still
work
to
be
done.
F
So,
let's,
let's
start
from
there
next
time
and
I'll,
send
maybe
just
one
more
video
like
it's
another
john
powell,
it's
a
really
great
one
about
othering
and
belonging.
But
yes,
oh
yeah,
yeah,
it's
a
really
good
one
for
us
to
kind
of
center
like
how
how
we're
gonna
have
to
work
with
people
who
might
not
be
on
the
same
page
with
us
right.
H
Kathleen
when
I
asked
that,
maybe
as
part
of
the
homework
there's
some
sort
of
gauging
of
each
person's
prioritizations
around
these
topics,
to
the
point
of
us
not
being
able
to
sort
of
eat
the
whole
watermelon,
I
think
it's
good
for
us
to
start
thinking
of
where
our
priorities
might
lie.
H
So,
if
everybody
gets
to
like
put
in
their
top
three
with
the
understanding
that
we
don't
ultimately
get
to
make
that
decision
at
some
point,
we
should
still
be
taking
this
out
to
some
sort
of
community
input,
but
we're
still
looking
at,
like
you
know
at
least
nine
areas
here
and
we're
still
trying
to
boil
the
ocean
so
like,
even
though
we're
looking
at
trying
to
build
allies
or
educated
allies
educated
from
an
equity
standpoint,
not
a
general
education,
educated
allies
in
other
committees,
I
think
still
we
need
to
have
some
sort
of
prioritization
based
on
what
areas
we
think
we
want
to
address
equity
within
first
like
if
we
can
get
back
part
of
the
homework.
J
And,
and
can
I
follow
up
on
that
and
then
I
I
agree
with
you
carla
and
I
think
actually
it
would
be
useful
to
see
how,
with
the
first
group
that
we
address
figure
out
what
the
lessons
learned
are
from
from
that
you
know
what,
where
have
we
been?
Where
are
do
we
feel
as
though
we're
connecting,
and
how
should
we
change
our
approach
if
we
need
to
be
so
that
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
continuously
improving
and
trying
to
make
sure
our
message
is
coming
across
correctly?
Yes,.
F
Yeah,
no,
that's
that's
a
really
great.
I
mean
that's
a
sort
of
a
theme
we're
actually
going
to
be
picking
up
on
with
the
internal
work.
We
it's
iterative
right,
so
we
shouldn't
just
try
to
talk
to
everybody
all
at
once.
It's
like,
let's
pick
a
group
of
people
test
out
the
the
script
and
the
questions
see
what
kind
of
feedback
we're
getting
and
then
adjust.
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
right
like
that's.
That's
part
of
this
is
an
exercise
in
engagement
as
well
and
and
really
listening.
So
I
got
it.
Okay,
anything
else.
A
No,
so
carla
do
you
want
me
to
to
work
on
the
doc
while
with
the
purpose,
and
then
you
can,
I
can
send
it
to
you,
so
you
can
do
the
rest
of
the
work.
F
All
right
now,
I
know
usually
in
traditional
in-person
retreats
like
there's,
usually
a
checkout
exercise
and
whatever,
but
given
that
joe
biden
just
has
been
declared
the
president-elect,
I
feel
like
we
really
don't
need
to
go
there,
but
I
really
do
hope.
You
guys
have
a
great
great
weekend
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
you
guys
in
a
couple
of
weeks
and
keep
an
eye
ball
out
like
I'll
try
to
get
something
out
by
early
next
week.
But
you
know
around
some
of
the
homer
pieces
kim
and
shanika.