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A
A
Thank
you,
ottoman
breath
for
a
second.
Can
you
call
the
roll
please
nicola.
A
B
A
E
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
I'll
certainly
speak
to
ice
cream
throne,
and
then
my
update
is
at
the
end
of
the
agenda.
Okay,.
E
You
want
to
take
it
good
thanks,
so,
yes,
the
the
ice
cream
phone
you've
seen
illustration
of
it
in
your
packet.
Both
staff
and
the
arts
council
recommend
that
we
accept
this.
I
know
that
taste
in
matters
of
public
art
is
always
a
very
subjective
matter.
So,
as
chair
of
the
arts
council,
what
I
do
is
be
guided
by
our
public
art
experts
in
the
public
art
working
group.
E
If
there
were
issues
further
further
down
the
line
with
repairs,
then
they
must
either
take
it
back
or
we're
at
liberty
to
to
dispose
of
it,
so
that
the
accession
policy
was
the
really
the
point.
I
just
wanted
to
make
to
this
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Obviously,.
A
Just
for
the
public
who
are
paint
watching
or
paying
attention,
can
you
tell
us
where
this
sculpture
is
going
to
go.
E
Yes,
it's
between
bates
park
and
fullerton
park.
F
So
do
we
know
that
the
donor
has
in
fact
already
signed
that
acknowledgement
about
our
right
to
return
or
take
down
the
sculpture?
If
we
need
to.
B
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
the
location,
so
it
is,
it
is
on
off
ridge
south
of
a
parking
lot.
It's.
B
E
B
E
B
A
Well,
let's
see,
I
lost
my
agenda.
Sorry,
oh
my
gosh
where's,
my
agenda.
I
have
a
paperwork
in
front.
A
So
that
one's
for
action,
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
on
this
one
and
then
toby,
while
you're
standing
there,
we
could
just
go
ahead
after
you.
Do
your
your
update
as
well.
Thank.
E
D
A
E
E
We
are
currently
12
members
and
you'll,
find
visual
artists,
theater,
artists,
music,
artists,
a
gallerist,
a
funder
which
is
a
useful
piece
of
experience
to
have
on
there
and
I'm
kind
of
some
kind
of
consultant.
Seven
of
those
people
identify
as
bipoc.
Six
of
them
are
women
and
the
little
picture
that
you'll
see
there
was
a
retreat
in
the
last
month
at
the
libya
center,
and
we
one
of
the
principal
things
we
did.
E
I
mentioned
five
things
briefly.
I
know
you've
got
a
big
agenda.
What's
going
on
to
keep
the
arts
alive,
what
we've
done
to
reimagine
our
grants,
who
we
support?
What
we're
doing
to
work
to
increase
our
revenue
and
then
invite
you
to
a
party,
so
the
arts
really
are
roaring
back.
The
community
did
a
great
job
of
living
online
and
trying
to
cheer
the
city
up
for
the
bulk
of
the
pandemic,
but
really
things
are
coming
back
in
a
big
now
way.
Now,
of
course,
we've
got
the
new
robert
crown
sculpture.
E
We've
got
performances
happening
all
over
the
place
indoors
and
out
middle
lower
is
a
fabulous,
exhibit
that's
just
closed
at
perspective
gallery,
where
doug
hates
spent
two
years
working
with
persons
experiencing
homelessness
in
the
community
to
get
their
pictures
and
get
their
stories
and
and
putting
human
face
on.
Those,
I
think,
is
a
lovely
little
microcosm
of
why
the
arts
really
matter
another
page
of
the
same
evanston
made
going
from
strength
to
strength
but
tons
of
performances.
E
It's
a
very
exciting
time.
So
what
are
we
doing
in
all
that?
Well,
over
the
last
two
years,
we've
really
comprehensively
reimagined
our
annual
grant
program
the
cultural
fund
grant.
I
talked
a
little
about
this
last
year.
I
can
show
you
more
results
this
year.
E
We
overhauled
it
completely
because
of
really
three
things:
the
pandemic,
which
changed
everything
the
heightened
focus
on
racial
equity
in
the
country
in
the
city
and
the
lead
that
we
get
from
from
this
diocese
and
input
from
our
equity
working
group,
which
has
been
working
for
two
years
as
a
part
of
and
adjunct
to
the
arts
council.
E
E
We
streamlined
the
narrative
questions
to
just
three
trying
to
make
it
much
simpler
to
to
apply
and
we
provided
mentors
for
less
experienced
grant
writers,
and
this
year
seven
of
our
applicants
took
advantage
of
that.
E
Most
importantly,
we
made
it
very
clear
that
applications
from
bypoc
organizations
and
programs,
primarily
serving
by
pop
communities
or
other
underserved
communities
would
be
favored.
Of
course,
that
was
the
most
important
single
thing
that
we
did
and
we
made
sure
that
the
judging
panel
was
predominantly
by
poc.
I
think
all
but
two
in
this
year
and
we've
got
some
data
that
says
we
made
some
real
changes
this
year,
comparing
each
time
with
19,
because
that
was
the
year
before
we
changed
the
guidelines.
E
Our
applications
went
up
by
53,
so
we
were
reaching
more
people
and
inviting
them
in
50
of
those
had
never
applied.
Before
our
same
total
of
30
000
was
distributed
to
22
grantees
versus
12
in
2019,
so
we
were
spreading
the
wealth
more
widely
and
36
percent
of
those
grantees
had
never
applied
before
again.
Most
importantly,
86
percent
of
the
grants
went
to
bypark
organizations
of
projects
primarily
serving
by
park
or
underserved
populations,
and
that's
19
out
of
22
versus
3
out
of
12
in
2019.
E
So
there's
always
more
work
to
do
in
this
area,
but
we've
made
a
good
start.
We'll
apply
similar
principles
to
our
more
informal
neighborhood
grants
moving
forward
so
where'd
the
money
go
wide
range
of
art
forms
that
you
see
there
and
in
the
packet,
and
I'm
certainly
not
going
to
drag
you
through
this
here,
but
a
brief
description
of
what
the
actual
project
was
for
each
of
those
22
grantees
bless
you,
and
in
fact
councilmember
braithwaite
is,
is
largely
responsible
for
this
next
slide.
E
When
I
stood
up
here
last
year,
he
looked
me
squarely
in
the
eye
and
said
toby.
What
are
you
doing
about
getting
revenue
from
other
sources
not
just
coming
to
us,
and
we
made
some
efforts.
We
really
took
that
seriously.
E
We
were
lucky
enough
to
get
50
000
from
the
good
neighbor
racial
equity
fund
and
we're
in
process
of
devising
that
program
where
we
did
a
wide
listening,
listening
workshop
with
social
service
organizers
and
we're
partnering
with
501c3s,
who
are
direct
service
social
service
providers
to
build
community
resiliency
through
the
arts
it'll
take
the
form
of
five
artist
residencies.
E
E
But
we
also
wrote
a
grant
successfully
to
the
evanston
community
foundation
and
we'll
be
putting
in
money
from
our
own
public
art
fund
as
well
to
commission
a
new
piece
of
public
art
in
fountain
square
in
the
south
end
of
fountain
square,
the
little
pointy
bit
to
honour
the
black
experience
and
that
request
for
qualifications
for
artists
will
go
out
shortly
and
then
there
are
three
things
that
we've
identified
and
done
the
applications
for,
but
we're
awaiting
decisions.
E
E
So
we
quadrupled
the
ask:
we've
asked
for
40
000
and
we'll
wait
and
see
what
we
get
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
The
arts
council
had
not
applied
to
the
national
endowment
for
the
arts
for
over
10
years.
Nobody
got
around
to
it.
I
guess
so.
We
did
two
particular
things,
one
where
we've
applied
for
30
000
for
regranting,
which
would
double
our
cultural
fund
budgets
now
we're
spreading
across
so
many
more
groups.
E
We
could
really
do
with
more
money
to
hand
out
to
make
those
meaningful
and
that
could
be
ongoing
if
we're
lucky
enough
to
succeed.
One,
that's
very
definitely
just
a
one-off.
It's
actually
upper
money
that
flows
down
through
the
nea
is
that
they
offer
grants
of
150
000
for
general
operating
funds
for
arts
recovery.
So
we
put
an
application
for
one
of
those
again
we'll
hear
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
E
I
really
must
underline,
though,
that
we're
trying
to
do
our
bit,
but
we
would
not
have
access
to
any
of
these
other
funds
if
we
didn't
have
the
very
much
the
support
that
we're
very
grateful
for
the
financial
support
from
the
city,
it's
absolutely
imperative
that
we
show
that
we've
got
city
and
community
support
in
order
to
have
access
to
these
other
funds,
so
councilmember
we
we
heard,
and
we
were
working
on
it
and
finally
going
forward.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
continued
support.
E
E
We'd
ask
you
also
to
consider
the
suggestion
that
we
put
forward
that
one
percent
of
our
own
upper
funds
might
go
to
the
arts
in
the
same
spirit
that
we
put
one
percent
of
our
public
building
funds
towards
the
arts,
and
if
we
did
that,
the
arts
council
would
administer
that
to
our
smaller
arts
organizations,
who
have
had
much
less
support
from
federal
and
and
other
sources
over.
These
last
difficult
18
months
but
above
all,
come
to
the
party.
E
E
The
mayor
will
present
the
mayor's
awards
for
the
arts
and
that's
a
public
nomination
process.
That's
in
train
at
the
moment
it
closes
at
the
end
of
this
week.
There'll
be
an
arts
showcase,
not
just
for
the
visual
exhibitions
there,
but
some
performing
arts
and
live
music,
some
circus
arts
from
actor's
gym
and
probably
a
spoken
word
slam
poet,
it's
fun.
It's
free
and
we'd
love
to
see
you
there.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Thanks
for
your
support
and
delighted
to
take
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
toby.
I
would
just
say
very
quickly.
I
really
appreciate
you
come
every
year.
You
have
a
very
solid
report
and
I
know
when
I
first
came
five
years
ago
and
we
were
trying
to
get
a
mural
on
the
south
boulevard
underpass.
It
was
a
very
different
tone
from
the
outs
council
then
so
I
really
appreciate
I
don't.
I
can't
remember
if
you
were
on
there
or
not,
but
I
really
appreciate
the
work
that
else.
A
Council
has
done
to
recognize
different
forms
of
art
and
things
that
are,
you
know
not
as
traditional
as
you
mentioned,
and
also
to
move
forward
with
granting
some
of
the
monies
to
local
artists
to
do
some.
You
know
some
things
that
we
don't
always
see.
So
I
really
appreciate
every
year
you've
come
and
you've
increased
your
work
and
communities
they
don't
always
have
are
represented.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
autumn,
council,
member
ravel
and
then
braithway.
F
Yes,
toby.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
really
exciting
report
about
your
achievements
this
past
year.
So
you
gave
you
had
the
same
amount
of
I'm
talking
about
the
your
grants
program.
You
have
the
same
amount
of
money,
but
you
distributed
it
to
lots
more
groups
did.
Were
you
able
to
fund
all
their
full
proposals,
or
did
they
ask
for
more
money
than
you
were
able
to
provide.
E
We
we
had
dropped
the
threshold
for
the
two
years
to
a
maximum
of
three
thousand
that
they
could
ask
for
so
in
virtually
every
case
they're
applying
for
partial
funding,
we're
very
aware
of
the
of
the
trap
of
partial
funding.
If
people
don't
have
access
to
other
funds,
but
in
this
instance
we
ask
them
for
what
other
sources
of
funding
they
have
to
complete
the
budget.
E
Absolutely
the
bigger
ask
for
the
illinois
arts,
council
association
would
double
the
current
amount
and
then,
if
we
got
the
nea
regranting
money,
it
would
triple
it
right.
H
C
How
are
you,
sir,
I'm
just
curious
if
you
can
just
give
a
few
examples
of
the
projects
that
were
funded.
E
So
not
particularly
in
any
order
ashay
is
a
youth
performance
of
black
history
and
there's
kwanzaa
celebration.
E
That
was
done
with
fleetwood,
jordan
and
the
evanston
public
library,
and
that
would
be
an
example
where
the
where
it
was
being
intrinsically
organized
within
that
community,
where
we
sometimes
us
or
the
mitchell
museum,
hiring
indigenous
local
artists
to
give
free
online
workshops
and
demonstrations
that
are
open
to
all
art
encounter
which
we've
funded
often
over
the
years,
and
the
part
of
that
is
emap.
That
does
the
murals
around
town
most
of
them.
E
But
the
specific
project
that
we
that
we
funded
is
an
art
partnership
with
the
center
for
independent
futures
for
adults
with
intellectual
and
development
disabilities.
So
that
was
an
example
of
another
underserved
community
that
we
like
to
see
that.
E
That
that's
actually
it
was
interesting.
We
talked
to
ciff
recently
about
this
and
they
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
actually,
their
their
people
go
out
to
art
encounter
for
it
and
they
said
that
just
like
getting
them
out
is
actually
an
important
part
of
it.
Naively,
I
might
have
thought
that
you
know
art
encounter
going
to
them
would
be
better,
but
they
actually
said.
No.
It's
part
of
the
benefit
that
this
is.
This
is
a
purposeful
outing,
as
it
were
the
stop
me
whenever
you
you
wish,
but
evanston
art
center.
E
It's
for
curatorial
fellowships
for
bipoc
individuals
to
mount
exhibitions
of
work
by
people
of
color
and
all
the
other
details
are
in
the
packet
there.
Yeah.
A
G
G
Can
you
guys
hear
me
yep
you're,
ready
to
go
sure
thanks,
yeah,
so
kimberly
richardson
asked
if
we
could
do
this
presentation,
I
understand
that
she
is
in
fact
in
portland
oregon
right
now.
So
sorry
we
couldn't
be
there
in
person.
I
didn't
realize
that
that
was
the
thing
that
was
happening.
So
we
are
online.
We've
got
some
ready
committee
members
also
dialing
in
and
if
you
don't
mind,
could
I
share
my
screen.
G
A
G
So
again,
thanks
for
inviting
me
and
us
to
share
with
you
guys
what
we're
up
to
right
now,
really
we're
in
the
first
year
and
we're
in
the
third
quarter,
we're
rounding
off
the
third
quarter,
but
kimberly
thought
that
it
would
be
a
good
idea
for
us
to
kind
of
share
with
you
how
the
cake
is
being
baked
right
now
and
to
give
you
a
sense
and
kind
of
tough
following
the
arts
council,
because
it's
so
visual
and
interesting
and
like
connectable,
so
apologies
in
advance.
G
This
is
a
very
text,
heavy
presentation
with
a
lot
of
policy
stuff
in
it.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
as
visually
appealing.
So
again,
my
name
is
dr
kathleen,
john
clayton.
I
am
a
professor
of
public
administration
and
I'm
at
uic.
G
Let
me
back
up
for
one
second,
so
one
of
the
reasons
why
this
project
is
framed.
The
way
it
is
which
is
working
with
me
and
with
my
team
at
uic
is
because
it's
actually
really
deeply
rooted
in
the
field
of
public
administration.
We're
focused
a
lot
on
the
internal
environment
of
the
city
and
really
the
community
within
the
city
government.
G
All
of
the
staff
that
you
will
hear
from
and
that
are
working
on
these
projects
are
people
who
work
in
inside
the
city
who
some
of
them
live
in
the
city
and
really
bring
a
level
of
local
knowledge
and
insight
that
a
set
of
consultants
really
wouldn't
bring,
and
I
really
see
myself
as
a
public
servant
as
well,
because
uic
is
a
public
university.
So
it's
been
wonderful
getting
to
know
the
community
within.
G
So
I'm
going
to
show
you
real
quickly
what
the
purpose
and
outcomes
of
the
racial
equity
diversity,
inclusion
committee.
That's
we
call
it
ready,
there's
a
lot
of
different
versions.
This
is
the
one
that
we're
sticking
with.
So
the
purpose
of
this
committee
is
that
we're
trying
to
shift
our
organizational
culture
towards
more
accountability,
transparency
and
fairness
inside
the
city,
so
that
we
can
increase
the
accessibility
of
programs
and
improve
the
performance
of
our
programs
for
all
residents.
G
G
So
this
is
taken
from
your
website.
I
understand
that
there's
a
new
city
council
and
you
will
be
going
through
a
strategic
planning
process,
but
this
is
what
we
started
working
with
last
year
and
the
question
was
really
you
know
in
this
list
of
five
things:
we
see
ensure
equity
in
all
city
operations
and
we
asked
ourselves
well.
How
do
we
ensure
equity
in
all
city
operations?
G
We
kind
of
moved
things
around
and
thought
about
it
and
realized
that,
in
fact,
this
is
the
image
that
best
represents
how
we
approach
racial
equity,
which
is
the
process
through
which
we
implement
city
council
goals,
so
investing
in
city
infrastructure
facilities.
We
want
to
ensure
that
there
is
equity
in
how
we
invest
in
city
infrastructure,
that
there's
equity
and
how
we
enhance
community
development
and
job
creation.
G
G
The
real
crux
of
this
model
is
that
we
see
operationalizing
racial
equity
about,
as
is
about
organizational
performance
improvement.
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
30,
000
foot
image
to
kind
of
think
about.
The
real
important
thing
is
the
circle
in
the
middle
that
we
do
planning,
but
we
immediately
start
a
learning
cycle
where
we're
learning
about
what's
happening
within
the
city.
We're
co-creating
some
ideas
around
how
we
can
improve
processes,
remove
barriers,
address
long-standing
issues.
G
We
go
out
and
we
test,
and
then
we
measure
the
improvement
that
we
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
make,
and
it's
the
circle
means
that
it's
iterative.
We
do
it
a
couple
of
times
we're
actually
right
in
the
middle
of
our
pilot
project.
So
you're
gonna
see
a
lot
of
words.
There
isn't
a
fancy
there's.
This
is
about
as
many
images
as
you're
gonna
see,
but
once
we're
done
the
last
part
the
scaling
number
six
is
in
year.
G
Two
that's
when
implementation
happens,
but
we
make
sure
that
we
rapidly
test
what
we
think
are
the
issues
and
what
some
of
the
viable
solutions
can
be.
Okay,
who
are
we
so
on
zoom?
Right
now
we
have
megan
jones
sharon,
johnson
and
then
kimberly
can
be
with
us
all
from
the
city
of
evanston,
megan
and
sharon
are
co-leads,
and
then
it's
myself
and
on
my
team
is
austin
zamudio.
G
He
is
a
visiting
research
specialist
with
the
great
cities
institute,
but
who
we
are
the
whole
ready
committee
is
this
list
here
and
I
I
know
that
there's
quite
a
few
of
them
that
I've
been
able
to
join
part
of
the
reason
why
they
joined
is
that
we're
actually
starting
to
work
on
ready,
101
workshops
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
offer
to
different
departments
and
different
groups
that
actually
want
to
hear
a
version
of
what
I'm
presenting
to
you
guys
all
right.
G
So
first
question:
where
is
the
ready
model
from
all
right?
This
is
a
extensively
field
tested
model
informed
by
some
of
the
best
practices
in
public
policy
and
management.
There's
several
different
non-profits
that
do
this
across
the
country,
and
so
I've
taken
a
version
of
that
and
actually
adapted
it.
For
you
know
what
I'll
say
are
the
special
circumstances
that
we
have
in
the
midwest.
G
But,
as
you
all
know,
attracting
retaining
and
promoting
diverse
staff
from
across
the
city
is
something
that
is
always
a
challenge
for
a
lot
of
municipalities
and
elements
of
this
ready
model
have
actually
already
been
implemented
in
and
validated
in
locally
in
the
cook
county
forest
preserves
all
right.
So
how
did
we
select
these
committee
members
so
for
this
first
year
this
inaugural
cohort?
G
It
worked
with
kimberly
and
what
we
did
was
we
took
diversity
on
several
different
axes,
so
it's
race,
ethnicity,
gender
position,
age
and
experience
future
cohort
recruitment
will
actually
be
led
by
the
co-leader
sharon
and
megan
and
vetted
by
cohort
one
members.
This
is
an
open
process
and
recommendations
from
directors
are
strongly
encouraged.
G
We
actually
gave
a
version
of
this
presentation
to
all
the
directors
about
a
month
two
months
ago
and
they
were
very
interested
and
excited
about
what
the
pilot
projects
actually
contained
and
how
they
could
actually
use
the
recruitment
process
for
next
year
to
offer
these
types
of
opportunities
for
up-and-coming
members
of
their
staff.
A
Kathleen,
I
have
a
question
for
you
about
that
one
before
you
move
on,
so
I
guess
my
concern
about
this
layout
of
the
future
recruitment.
Is
this
vetting
part?
So
if
we
want
our
organization
to
make
you
know
these
organizational
structural
changes,
I
guess
I
would
want,
and
maybe
not
now
you
can
email
me,
but
information
about
what
the
vetting
means
I
mean.
I
would
think
that
we
want
every
staff
member
outside
of
having
too
many
staff
in
one
department,
maybe
to
be
able
to
access.
A
You
know
this
training
or
program,
so
the
the
vetting
piece
makes
me
a
little
bit
concerned
and
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
recommendation
from
directors,
because
I
think,
while
we're
trying
to
get
to
racial
equity,
we
have
to
be
very
honest
about.
A
You
know
all
the
biases
that
exist
in
individuals
and
in
institutions,
and
so,
if
we're
taking
people
based
on
some
kind
of
screening,
I
mean,
unless
it's
super
duper
clear.
I'm
just
concerned
we're
going
to
end
up
with
either
like-minded
folks
or
folks
who
aren't
as
well-liked
or
a
variety
of
different
things.
G
Absolutely
absolutely
I
mean
not
to
get
super
in
the
weeds
and
I'm
totally
happy
to
follow
up
with
you
on
this
work
in
progress.
We,
let
me
give
you
an
example
from
forest
preserves.
I
mean
we
did
for
the
first
two
years.
We
did.
We
only
worked
with
the
top
leadership
to
sort
of
get
the
the
cohort
process
and
selection
process
going.
G
What
we're
finding
is
that
it's,
it
should
be
a
both
end.
There
should
be
an
open
process.
We
should
have
metrics
around
what
we
want
to
see
in
terms
of
diversity
and
directors
do
need
to
be
looped
in
because
this
is
pretty
dense
policy,
heavy
work
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is,
even
though
we
only
meet
three
hours
every
month,
there's
a
lot
of
sort
of
in
between
homework
that
I
I
call
it
homework
a
professor.
G
I
have
to
give
homework
out,
so
they
have
to
go
and
interview
people,
or
they
have
to
pull
data.
They
might
have
to
do
some
analysis,
so
them
having
the
support,
or
at
least
the
understanding
of
their
directors
around.
Why
this
work
is
important,
is
something
that
we're
looping
in
earlier.
In
the
evanston
project,
so
but
definitely
like
it's
a
balancing
between
all
three
of
those
and
when
I
mean
betting,
it's
just
balancing
between
the
different
axes
of
diversity
that
we're
we're
trying
to
hit,
but
I'll
definitely
follow
up
with
you
and
so.
A
I'm
gonna
follow
that
because
I
I
understand
that
part
about
making
sure
you
have
a
balanced
cohort,
but
again,
if
this
is
something
we
want
to
do
as
an
institution
and
understanding
that
there's
lots
of
work
that
goes
into
it.
That's,
ideally,
people
are
being
able
to
do
during
the
work
day
and
not
having
to
do
in
their
own
personal
time,
but
that
directors
wouldn't
necessarily
make
a
recommendation
as
much
as
they
would
be
informed
that
you
know
this
staff
member
would
like
to
do
it
they
fit
into.
A
You
know
good
into
this
cohort,
and
this
is
part
of
their
employment
here
at
the
city
of
evanston.
So
you
know
directors
wouldn't
be
able
to
say.
Well,
I
don't
want
someone
to
do
it
because
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
their
work
day
up,
so
that,
maybe
is
a
conversation
for
me
to
have
with
the
city
manager's
office,
but
it
seems
like
that's
putting
more
limitations
on
people's
ability
to
participate.
G
Yeah,
no,
I
mean
you're
catching
on
to
the
challenges
and
the
the
you
know
look
institutionalized.
Racism
has
existed
for
a
very,
very
long
time,
totally
agree
with
you
we're
in
our
first
year
and
if
we're
given
at
least
a
three
year
cycle
to
figure
out,
where
are
those
barriers
and
where
are
we
seeing
sort
of
those
recurring
loops
of
sort
of
marginalization
or
exclusion
or
ways
that
things
get
bottlenecked?
Absolutely.
G
Okay,
so
the
chunk
of
this
is
really
I
mean,
and
I
want
to
give
a
chance
for
megan
and
sharon
also
to
pipe
up,
but
here's
here's
the
thing
that
the
core
of
this
work
is
very
again
policy
heavy.
So
I
apologize
there's
a
lot
of
words
here,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
through
this
as
coherently
as
possible,
but
one
of
the
questions
we
get
asked
is
well.
How
did
you
identify
your
pilot
projects?
G
So
they
learned
how
to
do
one-on-one
interviews
in
a
structured
way
so
that
you
know
we
reduced
bias
as
much
as
possible
and
they
identified
city
staff
from
across
different
departments
to
actually
get
feedback.
Now
the
common
themes
that
came
out
so
they
recorded
all
that
feedback,
and
we
did
some
content
analysis
to
see
well
how
many
times
this
word
show
up,
and
you
know
what
what
are
some
of
the
common
issues
that
are
being
cited
by
city
staff.
G
One
was
the
lack
of
autonomy
of
city
staff,
lack
of
empowerment
and
communication
issues.
So
what
happened
after
that
is
committee
members
self-assigned
into
policy
areas.
They
kind
of
looked
at
all
the
feedback
we
were
getting
and
there
were
four
areas
that
we
saw:
a
lot
of
sort
of
overlap
and
they're
like
okay,
here's
four
areas
that
we
can
start
exploring.
G
One
was
language
access,
the
other
one
was
employee
education
access,
one
was
managerial
training
and
it
actually
started
out
as
evaluation,
and
you
know
I
can.
I
can
tell
a
story
about
that
and
then
consistent
service
provision
was
the
fourth,
so
between
monthly
presentations
and
training
and
a
process
of
refinement.
That
is
what
we
landed
on.
G
So
this
is
the
the
front
slide,
which
has
all
four
projects
instead-
and
I
know
I
don't
want
to
keep
you
guys
like
way
longer
and
kimberly
was
reminding
me
that
this
wasn't
a
lecture,
so
I
didn't
have
75
minutes
to
keep
on
talking
about
this
stuff.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
here's
the
top
lines.
We
have
four
projects
ongoing
right
now.
The
first
one
is
around
language
access.
G
The
third
is
equity
and
new
manager,
training
and
the
fourth
is
equity
and
service
provision,
and
so
we
can
talk
about
all
four
real
quickly
or,
if
there's
one
that
really
pops
out
it
any
of
you,
please
go
ahead,
we
can
you
can
rank
order
them
in
a
way
that
you
know
addresses
your
curiosity
first.
So
that
we
don't
run
out
of
time
or
we
can
just
start
with
the
first
one
well.
G
No,
I
I
well
so
for
this
first
one
I
volunteered
to
do
it,
but
absolutely
I
don't
plan
on
doing
this
again.
All
right.
A
G
G
G
I
Here:
okay,
all
right
good
evening,
everyone
I'll
try
to
make
this
quick.
The
the
language
access
group
consists
of
me:
anjali,
bailey,
michael
vandorp,
tashik,
her
and
jessica
linder,
so
fairly
representative
group
from
different
departments.
I
For
this
particular
project.
We
started
off
with
a
desire
to
be
more
intentional
about
hiring
and
placing
bilingual
staff
throughout
different
positions
in
evanston.
I
thought
that
would
be
the
straightforward
solution
and
we
could
just
easily
put
something
together
and
present
that,
but
as
we're
having
more
discussions,
we
actually
we're
talking
about
some
things.
I
We've
heard
from
different
co-workers
that
ended
up
uncovering
the
feeling
that
there
are
some
bilingual
staff
that
were
in
the
field
that
weren't
stepping
up
to
be
the
translator
or
interpreter
because
they
weren't
feeling
like
they
were
properly
rewarded,
be
it
with
compensation
or
discrimination,
recognition
or
some
kind
of
flex
time.
So
this
led
to
us
doing
some
focus,
which
we
actually
did.
Three
focus
groups
with
the
total
of.
I
believe
it
was
18
staff
members
that
represented
different
departments
and
about
nine
different
languages
in
total.
I
We
are
piloting
a
time
bank
reward
system
that
will
compensate
staff
for
filling
those
bilingual
services,
because
in
some
cases,
staff
was
spending
a
significant
amount
of
time
being
that
interpreter
being
that
translator
and
that
was
taking
away
from
some
of
their
day-to-day
duties.
So
doing
something
like
this
is
really
part
of
a
comprehensive
approach,
because
you
do
have
a
third
party
language
access
system
that
we
still
be
using.
I
That
would
begin
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
we
were
seeing
and
things
that
we
were
hearing
about.
So
this
would
recognize
and
actually
value
that
cultural
competency
and
also
support
the
staff
and
residents
that
oftentimes
feel
marginalized,
and
this
also
would
just
really
increase
staff
morale.
So
that's
where
we
are
now
you're
still
looking
at
some
other
municipalities
to
see
what
may
already
in
place
may
be
in
place
and
what
may
work
or
may
not
work
and
see
what
you
may
be
able
to
tailor
to
fit
to
evanston.
A
I
So
we
have
a
lot
of
that
basic
information
to
inform
what
we
were
doing
to
get
us
to
this
particular
point
and
that's
why
we're
thinking
to
have
this
particular
pilot
project,
but
also
be
comprehensive,
knowing
that
the
city
does
have
this
third
party
language
access
company
to
use
in
the
case
for
translating
large
amounts
of
documents,
or
things
like
that,
so
we
we
were
informed
of
other
efforts
by
staff
to
do
that.
So
it's
it's
more
working
with
the
information
that
we
already
have.
Instead
of
trying
to
recreate
the
wheel.
G
So
I
mean,
if
you
want
to
hear
the
the
other
co-lead
I
that
the
next
team
is
actually
the
education
equity.
So
sharon
would
you
mind
doing
that
one
and
then
we
can
close
it
off
after
the
first
two.
If
you
guys
want
to
hear
about
the
other.
Two
teams
be
happy
to
send
you
the
slides
and
have
a
conversation
with
you
all.
G
J
Right
no
problem.
Thank
you
kathleen
good
evening,
madam
chair
fleming,
members
of
the
committee
sharon
johnson
workforce
development,
I'm
a
part
of
the
equity
for
employee
education,
access
team,
copper
and
we're
responsible
for
the
training,
education
opportunities
pilot,
our
pilot
addresses
equity
and
training,
access
for
union
city
workers
for
the
purpose
of
self-improvement,
as
well
as
education,
access
to
associate
degrees
as
well
as
bachelor
degrees
and
the
team
that
I
work
with
is
daryl
king
and
dear
perkins
and
kate
lake
luke,
luke
lake
luke,
louis
laken,
sorry
about
that
kate.
J
So,
after
interviews
with
employees,
college
officials
and
internal
evanston
consultants
crucial
to
the
implementation
of
the
pilot,
we
use
questions
such
as
what
was
their
knowledge
of
the
benefit
that
they
have
for
free
college
available
to
aspie
union
employees,
we're
working
with
the
small
sector
of
about
a
little
over
300
employees.
We're
asking
what
type
of
training
and
certification
that
you're
interested
in
pursuing
and
then
the
reasons
behind
the
interest
or
possibly
the
lack
of
interest.
This
is
ongoing.
J
So
some
of
the
benefits
of
the
ask
the
free
college
is
it's
extended
to
immediate
family
members
as
well
as
free
access
online.
You
do
have
classes
at
your
convenience,
so
that's
that's
a
available
to
employees
at
no
cost
to
the
city.
We
also
explored
potential
barriers
and
wraparound
services
that
may
be
needed
to
support
employees
while
they're
taking
advantage
of
the
program,
for
example,
any
additional
time
off
or
makeup
time
to
do
classes.
J
One
third
of
the
group
are
female,
and
over
50
percent
are
minorities,
so
this
would
benefit
union
employees
who
desire
to
improve
their
professional
skill,
set
administratively
or
technically
to
better
serve
evanston
and
grow
as
a
stronger
contributor
in
their
area
of
expertise,
for
example,
bookkeeping.
J
So
we
feel
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
expand
the
skill
set
among
interested
employees,
and
this
is
good
for
retention,
cuts
down
on
turnover,
there's
a
vested
interest
in
addressing
personal
growth
among
the
majority
of
employees
again
over
50
percent,
our
minority,
who
may
have
an
opportunity
or
may
not
have
had
an
opportunity,
otherwise
to
expand
their
learning
potential.
A
A
It
was
a
conversation
about
commit,
creating
a
subcommittee
task
force
to
address
gentrification
and
displacement.
This
is
by
councilmember
burns.
I'm
also
going
to
ask
if
you
want
to
speak
to
this
council
member
burns
and
add
in
your
thoughts
on
the
policy
too,
since
they're
kind
of
is
that
okay
for
you
to
do?
Okay,.
B
B
We
all
as
elected
officials
and
community
members
would
like
to
see,
would
not
like
to
see
people
displaced
and
want
to
find
ways
to
keep
people
here,
but
the
the
barriers
to
staying
in
evanston
when
considering
the
the
the
the
cost
of
living
here
is,
is
it's
hard
to
navigate
and
and
especially
at
the
individual
level?
Is,
is
difficult
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
B
We
have
some
wonderful
partnering
organizations
around
the
city
that
are
doing
what
they
can
on
a
day-to-day
basis
to
help
people,
but
I
think
we
need
to
organize
a
committee
to
try
to
find
some
some
new
ways
and
really
just
add
we
need
we
need
to
add
new
members
of
our
community
to
think
about
how
to
solve
this
problem-
and
I
see
this
committee
is-
is
a
is
a
good
place
to
start
that
work.
B
Some
of
what
I'd
like
the
committee
to
take
a
look
at
is
identifying
ways
to
preserve,
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing.
We've
heard
that
over
the
years
from
our
community
members
who
are
providing
it,
it's
important
that
we
identify
where
that
affordable
housing
is
who
is
the
current
owner
and
what
we
can
do
to
support
them
and
preserve
that
affordable
housing
before
the
property
is
sold
and
and
those
affordable
units
are
lost.
B
I
also
see
it
as
an
opportunity
to
develop
a
mechanism
to
help
people
or
to
expand
the
path
to
home
ownership,
and,
and
I
mean
that
in
its
fullest
sense,
townhomes
single
family
homes,
tiny
houses,
condos,
council,
member
braithwaite
talks
a
lot
about
the
the
opportunity
to
place
first-time
home
buyers
in
town
in
condos,
and
that
might
be
an
affordable
way
to
help
people
stay
here,
duplexes
and
and
then
also
to
two
flats
owner
occupied
multi-family
units.
There's
opportunities
for
people
to
buy.
B
So
that
might
be
a
path
for
people
to
stay
here,
and
I
think
one
way
to
to
to
create
this
mechanism
is
to
create
a
neighborhood
housing
center
that
staff
with
caseworkers
who
can
assist
in
qualifying
residents
for
mortgages
addressing
various
homeownership,
which
there
are
many
from
credit
issues
to
debt
and
student
loan
issues
and
help
with
down
payment
assistance
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
I
think
also
this
committee
can
look
at
funding
or
finding
funding
for
a
down
payment
assistance
program.
B
They
also
can
look
at
developing
a
home
repair
program
using
cdbg
funds
or
other
relevant
funds.
These
are
things
that
I
think
we
do
in
one-off
situations
we
may
have
done
in
the
past,
but
as
far
as
I
can
tell,
we
don't
have
kind
of
a
rolling
ongoing
program
for
down
payment
assistance
for
first
time
home
buyer
program
for
from
for
home
repair,
and
so
I
see
this
committee
is,
is
being
able
to
take
on
that
work
to
create
those
programs
identifying
locations
throughout
evanston
that
ideal
for
greater
housing
density.
B
We
all
know
that,
sometimes,
when
there
are
these
kind
of
large,
affordable
housing
projects
that
the
community
that
lives
around
the
area
come
out
and
strong
opposition
to
it
in
some
cases-
and
so
I
think,
being
a
bit
more
proactive
and
and
using
developing
some
criteria
to
to
come
up
with
ideal
places
to
create
that
density.
That
we
all
know
we
need
in
evanston
is
something
that
this
committee
can
take
on:
reviewing
and
identifying
city-owned
vacant
or
underutilized
property
and
analyzing
it
for
redevelopment
potential
potential.
B
What
are
the
barriers
past
proposals
for
the
site
future
opportunities?
Again,
we
have
quite
a
few
vacant
parcels
in
the
fifth
ward
and
I'm
sure
we
we
may
have
some
in
other
places
that
are
sitting
there,
and
these
are
our
lost
opportunities
we
could
be
putting
you
know.
You
know
affordable
housing
there
and
also
reviewing
privately
owned
vacant
property
and
analyzing
it
for
redevelopment
potential
again.
What
are
the
barriers?
B
I
really
firmly
believe
that,
in
order
for
us
to
either
help
people
stay
in
their
homes
or
to
find
property,
that
is,
that
is,
is
affordable
that
someone
else
could
buy
at
an
amount
that
they
can
afford.
We
need
to
find
property
before
it's
listed,
and
so
I
have
examples
in
my
ward
of
people
who
I
met
a
guy
the
other
day
who
said
man,
you
know
my
wife
moved
back
to
back,
moved
out
of
the
state
and
out
of
the
country,
and
I
was
left
with
this
property.
B
You
know
I
have
a
little.
I
have
a
more
remaining
mortgage
on
it.
I'll
owe
some
debt
to
the
city.
You
know
I'm
looking
to
sell
and
it's
a
good
deal,
and
so
this
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
where
the
city
could
step
in
either
as
a
purchaser
to
get
to
get
a
hold
of
the
property
work
with
rebuilding
warehouse
with
somebody
to
rehab
it
and
get
that
property
back
on
the
market
at
an
affordable
rate.
B
Again,
our
interest
is
not
the
same
as
a
private
company
that
is
going
to
want
to
rehab
and
renovate
and
then
sell
to
the
highest
bidder.
You
know
we
have
an
interest
in
in
in
selling
that
property
at
an
affordable
rate.
There's
another
example
where
there's
a
home,
let's
say
for
forty
to
sixty
thousand
dollars.
There
was
a
fire
or
something
that
damaged
the
home,
but
it's
still
in
in
good
structural
condition.
B
Again,
that
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
the
city
to
come
in,
buy
it
for
forty
thousand,
sixty
thousand
rehab
it
for
two
hundred
thousand
and
sell
it
for
260..
We
get
our
money
back
and
now,
we've
we've
put
a
really
nice
big,
three
bedroom,
two
and
a
half
bath
unit
home
back
on
the
market
at
an
amount
that
the
private
market
is
just
not
doing
so
I'll.
Leave
that
as
an
elastic
final
example
I'll
send
this
out
to
the
committee
members.
A
Here
but
yeah
give
some
direction.
So
if,
if
I'm
correct
to
start
a
subcommittee
of
this
committee,
yeah
you
need
to
like
write
up,
I
mean
I
know
you
just
said
like
what
it
would
do.
Would
this
be
a
committee
of
just
commit
council
members?
Are
you
looking
for
residents?
Would
those
be
appointed
residents?
May
you
know
so,
there's
I
think
those
things
which
I
can't
remember
all
of
them,
I
think
for
our
911
subcommittee.
A
We
just
asked
people,
we
didn't
go
through
the
mayoral
appointment,
because
it's
you
know
the
task
force
or
whatever.
So
that
would
be
my
suggestion
to
write
it
up
what
you're,
looking
for
all
those
kind
of
things
and
then
reach
out
to
the
parties
that
you
think
would
be
helpful
in
that
work,
and
obviously
you
have
to
work
at
the
city
manager's
office,
because
you
need
a
staff.
B
B
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
think
well
a
couple
of
things
and
I'll
just
because
in
an
interesting
time
to
pay
attention
councilman
burns
so
finding
out
the
reasons
why,
when
possible,
people
are
leaving,
I
think
is,
is
important.
We
understand,
there's
affordability,
piece
that
can't
be
denied.
We
also
understand
that
it's
really
the
market
that
drives
like
the
price
of
homes
in
evanston,
and,
I
think
that's
outside
of
our
control.
H
Another
element
that
you
may
want
to
consider
is
you
know
people
come
here
also
from
from
all
over,
so
there
are
people
who
leave
for
whatever
their
personal
reasons
are.
Affordability,
I
would
think,
is
the
top,
but
not
the
only
while
you're
looking
at
this,
and
if
it's
outside
the
purview,
we
can
take
it
off
the
map.
H
But
I
also
think
attracting
people
is
something
that
you
should
also
pay
attention
to,
because
we
get
a
lot
of
people
who
come
in
for
northwestern
employment,
family
and
if
building
a
strong
community,
I
think,
is
the
root
goal
of
what
you're
trying
to
do.
I
think
that
that
should
be
a
part
of
the
component
as
well,
but
I'm
lucky
to
I'll
definitely
talk
to
you
more,
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
up
as
an
issue.
Thank
you.
B
The
other
policy
is
is
trying
to
work
with
this
subcommittee
to
determine
how
we
can
prepare
for
the
amount
of
evictions.
I
think
we
we
may
be
looking
at
in
the
next
few
weeks,
and
so
the
referral
that
I
made
it
was
to
require
that
landlords
provide
notice
to
our
health
department
before
an
eviction,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
a
question
of
when
when
we
would
want
that
notice.
Do
we
want
it
when
the
eviction
is
filed?
Do
we
want
it
30
days
prior
to
the
eviction
paperwork
being
filed?
B
B
But
my
my
concern
is
that
I've
I've
had
a
few
cases
in
the
war
where
I
get
a
call
same
day
that
someone
is
being
evicted
right
now
at
that
very
moment
and
and-
and
you
know,
they're
looking
for
me
to
respond
and
help
and
there's
not
much
that
I
can
do
that.
Our
health
department
can
do
and
that
our
partner
organizations
like
connections
and
others,
can
do
when
it's
when
it's
you
know
a
same-day
emergency
situation,
and
so
my
thought
was:
what
can
we?
What
policy
we
can?
B
Can
we
create
to
identify
these
evictions
earlier
so
that
we
can
create?
We
can
work,
you
know,
as
a
city
with
our
partner
organizational
partners
to
create
a
plan
for
those
individuals,
so
that
was
that
was
the
intent
of
it,
and
you
know
we
can
talk
about
exactly
how
to
do
it.
Director,
ogbo
and
I
have
been
talking
over
the
weekend
about
it,
so
I'm
sure
he'll
share
his
opinion
on
it,
but
that
that's.
A
What
the
policy
was
about,
and
my
question
for
that
is
director:
oh
boy,
is
it
still
your
department
that
does
the
landlord
registries.
A
So
my
only
suggestion
for
that
that
maybe
we
want
to
loop
them
in
because
I
imagine-
and
I'm
not
sure
we
might
have
some
evictions
of
you
know-
landlords
are
supposed
to
register
their
rental
units
and
they
don't
all
do
that.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
know.
I
would
want
to
definitely
do
what
you
want
to
accomplish
here,
but
there's
also
some
responsibility
on
the
landlord,
so
we
make
sure
people
are
living
in
safe
licensed.
A
You
know
places
as
much
as
possible
right,
it's
a
attendance
being
evicted
and
they
also
have
been
living
in
not
a
habitable
place.
We
want
to
make
sure
where
the
landlord
has
responsibility
there.
So
is
this,
given
that
the
eviction
moratorium,
I
think,
has
already
ended,
I'm
pretty
sure
the
county
is
not
going
out
to
evict
people,
but
I
know
people
are
starting
to
receive
notices.
A
D
Absolutely
it's
something
that
I
can
work
on,
but
a
number
of
things
that
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
is
if
we
are
providing
alternative
housing
for
individuals,
we
definitely
need
a
specific
or
an
identified
funding
source
to
house
these
individuals
of
late.
We
have
been
housing,
a
number
of
people
who
are
in
this
predicament
in
hotels
and
that
can
get
expensive,
especially
in
situations
where
relocation
is
not
achieved
or
not
foreseeable.
D
So
this
is
another
thing
that
we
will
have
to
consider
and
whether
the
department
will
go
in
a
full-fledged
or
a
comprehensive
funding,
comprehensive
housing
program.
If
it's
something
that
we
want
to
also
do
so.
There
are
a
number
of
elements
that
have
to
be
reviewed
and
revised
before
we
conclude
as
to
how
this
policy
will
be
driven.
B
The
other
piece
of
that
is,
they
would
be.
The
landlord
will
be
provided
information
from
our
health
department
about
different
homeless
prevention
organizations
or
programs,
whether
it
be
through
connections
or
some
other
program,
and
they
will
be
then
required
to
give
that
information
to
the
tenant.
Basically,
so
that's
the
other.
The
part
that
I
forgot
to
to
mention.
B
I
made
I
made
another
referral
that
I
think
we
should
figure
out
how
to
get
into
this
committee
or
council
to
create
a
victim
services
fund,
not
just
to
pay
for
emergency.
You
know
hotel
expenses,
but
there's
other
expenses
that
come
up
in
in
in
in
emergencies,
but
that's
a
separate
referral.
I
I.
A
Have
a
lot
of
evictions
and
I
as
much
as
I
want
people
not
to
be
homeless,
I
don't
know
where
we
would
have
the
money
and
then
my
concern
is
if
we
start
putting
one
person
or
this
person
or
one
case
into
a
hotel.
It's
a
small
town
world
real
travels,
and
then
everybody
like
I
have
a
gentleman
who's
being
evicted
at
the
end
of
this
month
in
my
ward
and
I
have
not
offered
him
a
hotel
because
that's
not
something
I
can
offer
to
everybody
in
my
ward.
A
E
B
We
have
a
30-day
window
or
longer,
depending
on
when
we
require
the
notice
to
work
with
them.
You
know
to
be
able
to
find
housing
with
a
family
member
friend,
you
know,
or
a
shelter
etc.
So
that's
the
hope
is
that
we,
this
won't
lead
to
us
needing
to
provide
emergency
housing
as
much
as
even
we
are
now,
because
we
do
provide
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
We.
A
E
C
A
We
need
to
flesh
out,
because
I
know
ike
is
very
kind
and
does
try
to
offer
things
case
by
case.
But
again
I
can't
fiscally.
I
can't
support
that
policy
because
we
just
don't
have
the
money
to
do
it
for
everybody,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
in
the
situation
where
I'm
telling
one
resident
you
can
have
a
hotel
on
the
other
resident,
like
sorry,
you're
being
evicted,
all
right,
councilmember,
reed
and
then
we're
gonna
try
to
wrap
this
up.
So
you
get
the
rules.
C
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
add
that,
because
that
very
point
there
that
I
think
the
earlier
we
can
have
this
in
the
process.
I
think
if
we
can
get
it
30
days
before
they're
planning
to
file
the
eviction
notice,
if
possible,
we
already
have
a
10-day
notice.
Now,
that's
required
so
potentially
extending
that
by
20
days.
B
I
just
want
to
be
clear
again:
we
don't
have
anything
right
now
that
requires
our
health
department
to
be
notified,
because
I
hear
a
lot
of
people
saying
well,
we
have
this
and
that
which
we
have
things,
but
I
want
to
be
clear.
This
is
notifying
our
health
department
that
an
eviction
is
to
take
place
and
and
then
requiring
that
they
send
out
information
to
the
tenant.
So
I
want
to
be
clear.
We
do
not
have
anything
like
that
currently
and
then
my
only
thing
about,
I
think
we
just
need.
B
We
need
to
tie
it
to
an
action,
and
we've
talked
about
this
offline
requiring
someone
to
do
something
when
they
think
about
it,
but
they
haven't
taken
an
action.
I
don't
think
it's
a
sound
policy,
but
if
we
can
tie
it
to
some
action,
then
I
think
it
makes
sense,
which
we
could
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
A
A
Right
so
I
would
suggest
everyone
who
has
some
input
on
this,
maybe
get
it
to
director
ogbo.
I
given
the
sensitivity
of
evictions,
if
you
think
you
can
bring
something
back
to
counsel.
You
know
bypassing
this
committee.
Please
do
so,
but
we
also
understand
we
have
to
make
something.
That's
going
to
work
for
your.
You
know.
We
don't
want
a
policy,
that's
not
going
to
work,
so
I
would
just
chime
in
I
think
30
day
when
they
follow
the
adventure.