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A
And
it
is
about
basically
7
pm
and
as
a
result
of
the
an
executive
order
issued
by
governor
pritzker
suspending
in-person
attendance
requirements
for
public
meetings.
Human
service
committee,
members
and
city
staff
will
be
participating
in
this
meeting
remotely
and
I
need
a
motion
from
someone
to
suspend
the
rules
to
allow
us
to
conduct
this
meeting
remotely
using
zoom
software.
C
Or
I
can
do
while
we
wait
for
nicola
to
get
online
okay!
Thank
you.
A
Our
first
item
of
business
is
approval
of
the
minutes
of
march
2nd.
Have
you
all
had
a
chance
to
look
at
those,
and
anybody
have
any
comments.
Questions
move
approval.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Could
we
have
a
roll
call
again.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
next
we're
going
to
move
into
public
comment
and
the
council
rules
for
public
comment
in
our
steering
committees
provide
that
each
speaker
shall
have
up
to
two
minutes
for
their
comments
and
in
addition,
it's
frequently
the
practice
in
our
standing
committees
that
we
have
the
public
comment
for
each
agenda
item.
As
we
get
to
that
item
on
the
agenda,
and
tonight
we
have
two
items
on
our
agenda.
A
The
first
item
being
the
discussion
of
our
responses
to
the
911
calls
for
for
service,
so
we
have
seven
people
signed
up
for
public
comment
and
I'm
I'm
gonna
just
call
each
person
and
if
your
comments
are
for
an
item
later
on
the
agenda,
we'll
skip
you
and
go
call
on
you
later
then.
D
E
That's
my
a
square
in
my
zoom
bingo
for
the
day
good
evening.
I
appreciate
your
time
and
having
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
all,
and
I
am
grateful
that
you
all
are
looking
at
911
calls
and
police
responses
to
those
calls.
E
I
think
it's
clear
from
the
past
days
that
the
police
force
that
we
have
despite
a
budget.
That's
far
out
of
proportion
with
our
neighboring
communities.
Isn't
it
isn't
stopping
crimes?
And
that's
not
to
be
that's
not
surprising.
E
We
know
that
police
forces
are
designed
to
respond
to
crimes,
so
I'm
glad
that
you're
looking
at
the
9-1-1
calls,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
we
as
a
country
have
been
working
on
reforming
police
with
from
within
since
before
ferguson,
but
especially
since
ferguson
occurred,
and
the
evidence
shows
us
that
reform
doesn't
change
outcomes.
E
In
order
to
do
that,
we
need
to
be
moving
resources
out
of
the
police
department
and
into
organizations,
departments
and
services
that
address
the
root
causes
of
crime.
So
I
appreciate
that
you're
thinking
creatively
about
how
to
respond
to
calls
to
the
police
department,
but
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that.
That's
not
enough.
E
It's
not
close
to
enough
if
we're
going
to
be
sincere
in
our
commitment
to
defunding
the
police
and
I'm
grateful
that
we've
had
such
a
community
such
a
strong
community
discussion
and
that
the
city
council
has
been
listening
and
responding.
D
F
I
was
confused
about
your
your
list.
This
is
not
about
9-1-1
calls
it's
about
hsd1
and
hsd2.
F
So
I
heard
and
I'd
like
to
hear
from
chief
cook,
I
see
he's
on
the
list
of
people
on
this
call.
I
heard
from
some
people
that
chief
cook
is
in
favor
of
defunding
his
own
police
department.
F
So
I'd
like
to
hear
that
from
him,
if
he's
on
the
call
and
if
he
could
speak
to
that
sooner
than
later.
F
I
hear
a
lot
of
people
complaining
about
the
evidence
in
the
police
department
and
I
they
don't
compare
to
some
of
the
other
departments
in
the
nation
that
have
real
problems,
whereas
I
don't
think
we
do,
and
I
don't
think
we
should
penalize
the
police
department
in
evanston.
I
think,
if
we're
looking
for
cost
efficiencies
in
the
police
department,
as
we
should,
we
should
be
looking
at
all
departments
for
that
same
cost
efficiencies.
F
Since
many
of
the
departments,
we
have
really
excluding
the
police
department
waste
a
lot
of
money
and
waste
a
lot
of
funds
that
could
be
going
to
some
of
the
good
causes
that
people
are
looking
for.
I
just
think
they're
looking
in
the
wrong
place,
so
I
just
don't
think
we
should
be
penalizing.
I
don't
think
we
should
be
demonizing
the
police
department
in
evanston.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
good
people
that
work
there.
F
None
of
the
events
that
have
taken
place
in
other
cities
across
nations
have
occurred
in
evanston
and
I
just
think
it's
we're
just
not
we're
overreacting
to
something
that
doesn't
exist
in
evanston.
The
way
it
exists
in
other
locations
to
the
bannerish
to
the
hanging
items
on
public
property.
I
did
see
a
banner
this
last
weekend
and
a
banner
the
weekend
before
related
to
this
issue.
I
think
and
just
fyi
look
at
central
street
and
green
bay
intersection
over
the
bridge.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Hey
thank
you.
Next,
we
have
daisy
children.
A
Okay,
jennifer
karla
vince.
G
Hi,
so
I
I
just.
G
I
I
guess
I
I
believe
we
do
have
the
problems,
maybe
not
to
the
drastic
degree
as
as
other
places,
but
I
did
watch
a
recent
video
in
which
a
a
police
officer
said
twice
or
two
different
police
officers
wanted
to
put
a
young
man
in
a
cage,
and
I
don't
think
I
I
don't
want
to
live
in
a
place
where
that's
what
what
we
do
to
people
for
walking
down
the
street
and
videoing.
G
A
Thank
you
next
priscilla
giles
are
you
speaking
to
the
police
issue.
A
A
Okay,
then,
karen
cartwright.
I
Hi
there
hi
karen,
how
are
you
everybody
just
have
a
couple
of
quick
comments.
Yes,
I
will
allow
us
to
see
my
video.
I
I
have
heard
some
alder
and
others
in
you
know:
city
employees
be
dismissive
of
the
eu
who
have
been
speaking
to
the
issue
of
defeating
and
if
others
would
prefer
redirecting
budgetary
dollars
from
the
police,
and
I
don't
think
that's
right.
I
We
need
to
listen.
I
mean
listen
to
that
and
be
responsive
to
what
it
is
that
they're
saying
I
have
been
mightily
impressed
by
the
tenor
and
the
content
of
their
input
to
city
officials.
I've
witnessed
much
of
it
firsthand
I've
seen
other
of
it
in
recordings
and
they
they
are
able
to
compose
themselves
and
maintain
a
calmness
that
I
am
often
not
able
to
maintain.
I
I
Teens
unnecessarily,
I
think
of
mr
crosby,
I
think
of
the
young
man
that
jennifer
just
referred
to
it's,
that's,
not
okay
and
and
if
it
is
allowed
by
policy
and
I've
heard
chief
cook
address
this,
and
I
give
him
a
lot
of
credit.
Then
we
have
to
change
her
policies
and
I
know
some
of
them
already
have
been
so
I
could
speak
at
length
as
I
think
you
are
all
aware,
but
that's
all
I
have
tonight
please
listen
to
the
youth.
I
A
You
and
our
last
speaker
is
storing.
A
A
Okay-
and
I
think
we
will
get
started
with
our
discussion
so
to
introduce
our
item.
I
I
do
have
hi
it's.
J
Durian
go
ahead.
I
had
trouble
unmuting
sure
in
terms
of
the
speaker
previous
to
me
prior
to
me.
I
can't
say
enough
in
terms
of
putting
it
into
content
the
discussions
in
the
context
of
the
importance
of
inspiration
and
looking
at
things
in
a
different
way,
that
being
young
at
heart
and
understanding
that
wisdom
at
early
ages
particularly
speaks
a
lot
to
the
central
focus
of
the
issue.
J
Participating
in
some
of
these
meetings
is
truly
impressive,
because
it's
crossing
generations,
so,
given
the
fact
that
we
can
cross
generations
with
that,
that's
powerful,
and
especially
for
evanston,
because
we
have
such
a
large
senior
group,
which
I'm
a
member,
of
course,
but
I've
always
kept
that
aspect
of
doing
something
a
little
differently,
because
sometimes
that's
all
you
need
is
a
change
in
the
way
you
look
at
something
and
the
in
the
answer
start
to
come
to
you.
J
Maybe
not
all
the
answers,
but
at
least
at
least
the
path
opens
up,
and
so
with
that
I'd
like
to
encourage
further
discussion
and
also
include
looking
at
health
and
human
services
more
than
just
the
police
issue
right
now,
let
me
read
my
my
one
sentence
statement
here
and
it's
summarized
I
summarized
it
basis
of.
J
Even
though
we've
made
mistakes
as
a
community,
myself
included
along
the
way,
we're
learning
from
those,
and
I
think
this
is
the
time
to
really
start
seriously,
considering
building
our
health
and
human
services
to
complement
what
we
want
to
achieve
as
a
community
and
that's
to
stabilize
and
to
and
to
grow
and
prosper.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
C
K
A
bell
yeah,
I
shared
I've,
been
in
touch
with
a
number
of
the
young
organizers
abs,
some
of
us
on
this
line,
and
I
shared
the
the
the
link.
So
I
believe
a
few
of
them
may
be
part
of
the
young
black
lives
matters
group.
I
I
don't
have
visibility,
so
I
would
suggest,
maybe
that
we
just
let
them
in
and
then.
G
G
A
L
A
K
A
Is
that
right?
Okay,
so
here
we
go.
M
Well,
I
think
what
I'm
sorry
eleanor,
I
think
if
there
was
something
if
somebody
didn't
realize
or
was
late
coming
in,
because
rules
committee
ran
along,
I
think
we
should
let
whoever
wants
to
speak
speak.
A
K
K
So
we
can
welcome
them
to
the
human
services
alderman
eleanor
robel
is
our
chairperson.
Human
services
is
a
subcommittee
of
our
city
council,
based
on
the
level
of
awareness
protesting
the
letters,
the
presence
and
also
the
request
for
the
conversation.
K
A
A
O
Yeah
so
hi
everyone-
I
am
a
sophomore
at
eths
and
I'm
writing.
I'm
a
writer
for
the
evanstonian
and
the
in-depth
section-
and
I
are
writing
a
piece
about
the
black
lives
matter
movement
and
we're
just
trying
to
I'm
I'm
focusing
on
writing
about
the
government
response.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
kind
of
what
you
and
other
aldermen
have
to
say
in
terms
of
like
what
are
your
opinions
on
the
movement?
What
do
you
think?
How
can
we
deal
with
evanston's
like
racial
problems?
O
How
can
we
handle
things
better
and
kind
of?
How
can
we
move
forward
to
make
this
like
a
safer
space?
So
great.
A
Okay,
well
welcome
meg,
and
tonight,
as
I
think
was
mentioned
earlier,
is
really
just
the
beginning
of
what's
going
to
be
an
ongoing
discussion
for
many
weeks,
if
not
longer
so,
hang
in
there
with
us.
A
So
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
that
personally,
I
truly
appreciate
our
police
department
and
our
officers
dedication
to
keeping
our
community
safe
day
in
and
day
out.
I
do
hope
everyone's
been
able
to
watch
mayor
haggarty's
week,
weekly
q,
a's
about
policing
in
evanston
they've
been
providing
at
least
I
found
them.
Some
very
helpful,
in-depth
look
at
our
police
department
policies
and
practices
and
operations
and
and
for
me,
really
highlight
chief
cook's
commitment
to
continuous
improvement.
A
My
interest
in
looking
at
the
programs
and
resources
that
the
city
is
currently
using
to
respond
to
911
requests
for
service
was
prompted
by
the
many
voices
in
the
community
that
are
calling
on
us
to
redirect
funds
from
the
police
budget
to
human
services,
and
so
I
was
listening
to
the
voices
from
our
community
and
doing
quite
a
bit
of
reading
about
what
some
other
cities
around
the
country
have
done
and
increasingly
are
doing
to
respond
to
similar
concerns
in
their
communities.
A
So
what
these
cities
have
found
is,
as
they
examined
their
9-1-1
calls
for
service.
They
found
that
actually,
a
majority
of
the
calls
did
not
require
the
response
from
a
sworn
officer.
Rather,
the.
H
A
Involved,
non-criminal
non-violent
situations,
perhaps
involving
a
mental
illness
issue,
homelessness,
substance,
abuse
intoxication
and
so
what
the
model
calls
for
them
is
this
alternative
response,
a
two-person
team
in
many
cases,
with
a
mental
health,
professional
and
someone
with
medical
background,
and
so
that
team
is
sent
to
handle
this
particular
situation.
A
And
so
it
seems
to
me
that
this
kind
of
model
gets
the
right
people
to
the
scene
to
provide
the
kinds
of
services
and
support
that
the
particular
individual
needs.
In
that
case,
and
and
so
I'm
really
hoping
that
we
can
consider
whether
such
a
model
would
be
the
right
model
for
evanston,
would
it
help
make
us
a
safer,
stronger
community?
A
Would
it
be
a
way
for
us
to
begin
to
redirect
funds
from
the
police
budget
to
human
services
and
other
needs
in
the
community?
So
tonight,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
begin
to
understand
better.
What
are
the
services
and
programs
that
are
currently
available
and
being
used
when
we
have
911
calls
for
service
and
then
and
then
also
take
a
you
know.
First,
look
at
what
some
of
those
911
calls
look
like
so
we're.
A
I
expect
we're
going
to
do
a
lot
of
listening
and
learning
tonight
and
we
have
people
from
chief
cook
and
others,
perhaps
from
the
police
department.
The
evanston
fire
department
victim
advocates
our
social
worker
at
the
public
library
there's
a
24-hour
crisis
hotline
at
the
amita,
st
francis
hospital
echo,
which
is
not
something
I'm
even
familiar
with
a
mobile,
integrated
healthcare
program
and
then
our
youth
and
young
adults
dividing.
A
So
we
have
a
lot
of
programs
that
we're
using
and
relying
on
currently
in
in
emergency
situations
and
we
sort
of
beginning
for
us
to
move
forward
with
our
discussion.
We
want
to
hear
from
you
know
what
what
our
resources
are
currently
so,
chief
quirk
shall
I
turn
it
over
to
you.
First
for
comments
from
the
police
department.
P
Good
afternoon
augment
reveal
what
we're
gonna
talk
about.
You
know
when
you
say:
defunding
the
police
and
what
my
perspective
is
on
defunding,
the
police.
My
opinion
is,
what
do
the
people
want
and,
and
you
all,
as
aldermen
as
representatives
of
the
people,
I'm
working
to
give
the
public?
P
P
Q
G
P
And
every
leader
and
public
service,
whether
it's
in
police
or
fire
or
any
other
part
of
government,
should
have
the
same
perspective.
Public
money
needs
to
be
utilized
in
the
most
efficient
manner
as
possible,
and
we
strive
to
do
that
here
in
the
police
department
every
year
you
know
whatever
the
budgeting
style.
P
The
city
wants,
whether
it's
incremental
zero
base,
whatever
style
of
budgeting
program,
I
work
to
give
the
public
the
best
value
that
they
can
get
for
their
money
tonight,
we're
going
to
look
at
our
9-1-1
calls
and
if
you
haven't
looked
at
the
cahoots
program
that
alderman
reveal
is
talking
about.
I
think
that
is
worth
looking
at
now.
I
had
discussion
with
this
about
the
cahoots
a
couple
of
years
ago,
because
a
good
friend
of
mine
chief
elvia
williams,
she's,
the
chief
in
richton
park
illinois.
P
P
But
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
9-1-1
calls-
and
we
have
them-
you
have
them
in
your
packet
and
we
have
them
in
an
order
where
you
can
decipher
them.
You
can
see
what
needs
to
be
done
in
terms
of
dispersion
of
activity
from
the
police
department
so
that
we
can
look
at
being
more
efficient
with
community
relations
building
getting
into
foot
patrol.
P
I
want
to
see
us
have
a
larger
foot
patrol
unit
here
at
the
police
department.
Looking
at
connection
with
our
youth.
As
someone
just
spoke
about,
we
have
six
youths
from
the
hippie
power
foundation
here
working
in
our
police
station
and
it's
amazing
the
value
that
you
can
get
from
the
conversation
with
these
students.
P
P
So
I'm
really
happy
where
we
are
in
terms
of
being
able
to
look
at
things
that
have
been
a
problem
in
law
enforcement.
Many
years
before
I
became
a
law,
an
officer,
I
think
his
time
I
think
evanston
is
being
proactive,
even
though
we're
not
necessarily
having
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
they
have
in
other
departments.
P
P
He
is
a
student
in
our
cad
system
and
when
you
all
ask
for
information
and
statistical
data
a
lot
of
times,
I
turn
to
two
people
in
the
police
department,
sarah
jones
and
also
mr
voss
they're
good
at
looking
at
these
modules
that
we
have
in
our
cash
system
and
gleaming
out
the
information
that
can
point
us
as
a
as
a
group,
and
I
look
at
government,
meaning
you
all
as
aldermen
and
the
police
department
as
partners
here
to
to
achieve
one
goal.
P
So
I'm
gonna-
let
mr
voss,
give
you
his
synopsis
of
what
he
thinks.
The
information
can
that
can
learn
from
with
the
911.
Q
I
I
was
given
the
the
agenda
outline
and
kind
of
put
a
couple
points
together
in
reference
to
some
of
the
the
questions
in
review
of
current
responses
and
resources
for
9-1-1
calls
and
whether
which
divisions
we
utilize
on
a
regular
basis
and
how
9-1-1
calls
are
parsed
out
and
to
surrounding
or
to
our
to
our
agencies.
Q
So
generally
911
phone
calls
when
they're
taken,
they
generally
fall
into
two
categories:
they're,
either
going
to
be
a
fire
related
medical
fire
calls
or
they're
gonna,
be
a
police
related
or
potentially
police
related
situation
in
the
event
that
they
they
are
not
in
either
of
those
categories.
Then
a
9-1-1
operator
will
transfer
that
call
to
the
proper
authority
generally
3-1-1,
sometimes
the
police
desk.
Q
If
the
call
is
not
an
emergency
call
in
reference
to
whether
or
not
we
dispatch
directly
to
victim
advocates
or
social
workers
or
youth
organization,
we
do
not
currently
do
that,
but
we
use
our
resources
through
the
evanston
police
department
to
determine
whether
or
not
victim
advocates
are
going
to
be
necessary
for
the
type
of
call.
We
will
dispatch
a
call
to
a
crisis
intervention
trained
officer
and
our
our
911
operators
are
also
crisis,
intervention
trained
for
for
politics,
and
they
stay
up
to
date
on
those
those
trainings.
Q
I'll
continue
along
there
and
9-1-1
calls
for
service,
and
so
what's
your
calls
to
reveal
about
the
kinds
of
emergency
services
our
residents
need,
as,
as
you
can
see
in
the
agenda,
that's
parsed
out
that
information
is
broken
down
into
ward.
That
is
a
general
outline
of
what
type
of
calls
that
we've
received.
Now
that
particular
outline
includes
all
calls
dispatched,
whether
they
or
some
of
some
of
which
come
through
9-1-1
and
some
of
which
come
through
the
desk.
You'll,
see
parking
complaints
and
the
like
included
in
that
list.
Q
Parsing
them
out
into
9-1-1
only
calls
is
a
is
a
little
harder
to
do
through
the
cad
system,
but
I
was
able
to
determine
that
of
those
numbers
that
you
see
in
that
report.
14
961
of
them
were
dispatched
calls
that
came
to
communications
through
the
9-1-1
center
through
our
phone
lines
and
we're
dispatched
to
the
police
department
and
another
10
306
dispatched
to
the
fire
department,
and
that's
a
from
a
grand
total
of
nearly
40
000
911
phone
calls
received
in
2019..
Q
Whether
additional
analysis
is
needed
or
can
be
available,
we
can
probably
break
down
a
little
further.
The
the
data
there,
but
that's
we
would
need
a
little
more
time
to
do
something
along
those
lines.
Q
Q
If
it
turns
bad,
that's
why
we
have
cit
trained
officers
as
well
as
cit
trained
dispatchers,
all
of
which
also
include
regular
training
and
mental
health
call
taking
and
the
entities
listed
here
are
not
ones
that
we
generally
work
with
in
direct
dispatching
to.
However,
that's
something
that
would
rest
upon
the
decision
of
the
the
chief
and
it's
I'm
sure
that
some
way
we
can
look
into
into
those
partners
should
the
situation
warranty.
L
Chris,
in
the
first
section
where
you
have
you
know,
calls
by
ward:
let's
see
what
is
it
type
service
or
type
percentage?
I
don't
see
the
eighth
ward
listed.
Q
Q
R
L
P
Yeah,
I
gotta
we'll
give
it
to
y'all
man
this
yo,
your
award
is
in
my
packet
here.
P
All
right,
so
let
me
let
me
reiterate
some
things
that
chris
just
spoke
about.
Somebody
asked
about
the
services.
You
know
the
services
outside
of
what
we
would
normally
utilize
in
the
city
and
for
those
who
don't
know
we
do
utilize,
the
youth
and
young
adult
services.
They
are
someone
that
I
rely
on.
I
believe
in
those
guys,
I
believe
in
that
type
of
intervention
in
communities.
P
It's
a
great
thing.
I
was
just
talking
with
commander
spencer
of
chicago
police
a
couple
of
days
ago
in
the
uniform
store
he's
the
commander
in
the
11th
district
and
they
had
a
violence
interrupters
in
in
their
neighborhood.
The
11th
district
is
about
the
size
of
everton.
They
got
about
75
000
residents
in
the
11th
district,
but
last
year
they
had.
I
think
it
was
like
around
70
murders.
P
What
they
did
was
they
have
the
outreach
workers
there
at
these
homicide
scenes,
and
not
only
are
they
looking
to
provide
counseling
services
to
deal
with
trauma
that
youth
may
have
experienced
from
being
involved
or
in
that
proximity
they
also
they're
looking
for
people
who
they
could
give
jobs
to
too.
P
That
is
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
really
like
about
those
interrupters
over
in
the
11th
district.
But
when
you
look
at
the
services
that
how
they
do
the
cahoots
program
in
eugene
oregon,
you
know
they
sent
out
two
people.
They
sent
out
a
paramedic
and
and
a
a
counselor
or
a
social
worker.
You
may
call
it,
but
they
versed
in
a
lot
of
things.
You
know
they.
They
know
how
to
deal
with
mental
illness.
They
know
how
to
deal
with
domestic
violence.
P
They
know
how
to
deal
with
homelessness
and
we
try
to
emulate
that
type
of
training
here
with
critical
incident
training.
P
Just
so
people
know
you
know
we
got
148
police
officers
here
now
and
I
think
it
was
like
89
out
of
those
140,
some
cops
they're
all
cit
trained
and
I'd
like
to
thank
cook
county
and
deputy
chief
wright
for
helping
facilitate
that
here.
These
officers
are
trained
to
deal
with
a
numeral.
A
number
of
incidents
that
take
special
training.
We've
had
police
officers
talk
people
out
of
suicide
because
of
their
training,
we've
had
them
in
the
neighborhood
of
common
in
neighborhood
after
violence
and
they're.
P
P
You
know
if
resources
can
be
utilized
somewhere
else
to
result.
I
think
that
the
thing,
but
we
do
need
here,
training
and
to
maintain
a
staffing
level,
that's
commensurate
with
a
town
of
this
size.
This
is
a
big
city
and
we.
A
Could
you
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
the
cit
training,
so
is.
Is
that
some?
How
how
extensive
is
that,
and
is
that
something
that
officers
get
refresher
courses
in
or
or
is
the
goal
to
basically
get
more
and
more
officers
trained.
S
Good
evening
alderman
reveal
members
of
the
committee,
so
our
cit
training,
like
chief
cook,
said
this-
was
something
that
was
in
partnership
with
cook
county
sheriff's
police.
We
started
cit
training,
I
believe
it
was
2016
to
2017,
I'm
sure.
Most
of
you
remember.
S
It
was
part
of
that
27
point
working
plan
back
in
2017
and
if
you
go
back
and
look
at
that
historical
reference,
we
started
off
at
some
point
at
one
point
with
just
like
12
officers
and
from
month
to
month.
It
build
over
time
where
we
were
able
to,
in
conjunction
with
cook
county
use,
a
local
training
partner
through
the
illinois
state
training
board
to
pretty
much
train
about
65
percent
of
our
department.
S
Our
goal
was
to
first
roll
that
training
out
to
our
patrolmen,
because
they
were
the
first
people
who
were
responding
to
the
scene
and
then,
after
that,
we
started
to
train
our
special,
our
specialty
units
to
supplement
you
know
patrol
at
various
levels.
S
When
staffing
was
shorter
and
our
juvenile
officers
might
be
the
first
to
respond
to
an
incident
when
it's
juvenile
related,
as
opposed
to
patrol,
so
we
tried
to
work
to
make
sure
that
this
training
was
disseminated
throughout
the
department
where
it
would
benefit
the
community
depending
on
what
unit
was
responding.
S
That
training
is
intense
and,
when
I
say
intense,
is
compared
to
what
other
departments
or
what
other
members
from
another
agency
may
receive.
This
is
what
this
was
a
40-hour
training
and
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
the
training
which
made
us
send
more
and
more
people
was
that
it
was.
It
was
intense
to
the
point
where
officers
felt
comfortable
coming
back
to
the
police
department
and
actually
utilizing
those
skills
in
the
community,
meaning
this
wasn't
a
40-hour
training
where
they
felt
like
they
were.
S
You
know
in
class
and
away
from
the
department
for
a
week
and
came
back
and
based
on
their
40
hours
of
contact.
If
you
know
some
classes,
you'll
come
back
and
you
may
feel
like
you
only
got
eight
hours
worth
of
content,
but
this
was
a
full
40
hour
of
content
that
they
thought
was
relevant
in
dealing
with
various
members
of
the
community
when
it
comes
to,
and-
and
I
shouldn't
say
this-
the
the
training
is
designed
to
deal
with
people
who
are
in
crisis,
but
the
the
training
that
you
receive.
S
You
can
use
that
just
your
your
regular
everyday
interactions
with
the
public,
it
teaches
you
how
to
step
back,
use
empathy,
assess
a
situation
and
then
deal
with
that
situation
based
on
the
training
that
you
receive.
So,
although
it's
meant
for
dealing
with
people
in
crisis,
our
officers
apply
it
in
their
everyday
dealings
with
the
public.
P
B
If
I
look
at
the
cost
for
service
and
a
lot,
our
well-being
check
that
doesn't
go
into
exactly
what
that
is,
but
even
with
your
cit
training,
would
you
say
that,
while
the
officers
feel
comfortable
doing
that,
that
is
not
their
profession
right
that
isn't
you're
trying
to
do
a
lot
of
different
things
and
you
do
them
based
on
the
call
you're
going
to,
but
even
if
you
get
to
a
place
and
you're
dealing
with
someone
in
crisis,
do
you
feel,
like
the
officers,
have
the
tools
to
then
get
that
person
to
the
next
place?
B
B
Well,
I
mean
there's
a
referral
piece,
but
there's
also
you
are
responding
to
something:
that's,
maybe
a
heightened
crisis
and
you're
able
to
do
I'll,
say
triage.
You
know
if
we're
lucky
imagine
you're
not
able
to
calm
everyone
despite
the
cit
training.
So
then,
what
is
that
other
step
that
our
officers
take
if
they're
able
to
just
do
kind
of
a
temporary
triage
and
the
person
needs
more
services
or
you're
not
able
to
I'll
just
say,
calm
a
person,
because
I
don't
know
what
the
situation
might
be.
Yeah
and.
S
Like
you
know
the
40
hours
of
cit
training
will,
you
know,
replaces
a
mental
health
expert
or
a
mental
health,
social
worker
or
a
clinical
psychologist,
a
social
worker
who's
been,
you
know,
four,
you
know
plus
eight
years
of
schooling
and
it
has
extensive,
and
it
has
an
extensive
background
in
that
subject:
it's
a
tool
that
our
officers,
you
know
use
in
a
training
that
has
helped
us,
like
you
say
you
know,
meet
someone
on
the
scene,
be
able
to
de-escalate
be
able
to
show
some
empathy
kind
of
like
meet
them
where
they're
at
and
then
get
them
all
for
the
clinical
treatment
that
they
need.
S
So
what
that
would
look
like
is
an
officer
responding
to
the
scene
being
aware
of
the
situation
that
someone
may
be
in
and
being
able
to
get
them
to
a
point
where
we
can,
you
know
safely,
you
know
hand
them
off
to
a
paramedic
or
safely
transport
them
to
our
emergency
rooms
for
services
there,
both
saint
francis
and
evanston
hospital,
have
emergency
personnel
on
scene
to
deal
with
people
in
those
crisis
situations
so
our
job,
and
that
training
is
basically
just
to
bring
them
from
a
heightened
level
down
to
a
level
where
we
can
deal
with
them
and
where
our
ems
personnel
can
deal
with
them
to
get
them
transported
to
in
hospital
and
no
in
not
every
situation.
S
Well,
these
tools
and
techniques
work
and
that's
where
we
sometimes
have
to
resort
to.
I
mean
like
physically
taking
someone
in
custody
and
transporting
them
to
a
hospital.
B
O
B
Question
then,
is
regarding
that,
so
everyone,
I
think
you
said
everyone
are
close
to
everyone.
The
majority
officers
have
this
training,
probably
just
like
any
job.
Some
people
are
better
at
something
than
others.
So
when
you
have
this
call,
do
we
have
any
ability
to
send
out
certain
officers
who
might
be
better
skilled
in
dealing
with
someone
saying
with
mental
health
crisis,
or
is
it
simply
the
matter
of
how
the
cat
system
works
and
the
officer
who's
closest
or,
however,
you
all
filter
out?
Officers
goes
to
the
scene.
B
P
That's
what
happened?
Why
ultimate
that
we're
trying
to
get
our
whole
department
certified
in
cit
and
then
we
have
our
state
mandated
mental
health
tracking,
and
then
you
know,
I'm
part
of
the
mental
health
board
that
the
mayor
has,
because
some
of
the
situations
that
we
discuss
is
how
do
we
get
away
from
the
revolving
door
of
dealing
with
these
crisis
issues,
for
instance
with
mental
health,
domestic
violence?
P
You
know
we
get,
we
get
the
the
patient
to
the
hospital
and
then
a
day
or
two
later
they
they
back
out
on
the
street
and
we're
responding
again.
So
it's
a
repetitive
cycle
that
really
doesn't
address
the
core
issue,
but
but
part
of
our
training
is
to
be
efficient
in
that
and
to
be
as
as
professional
as
we
can
with
the
education
level
that
we
received
from
this
40-hour
training.
It's
a
week-long
training,
so
it
costs
money
just
to
send
a
police
officer
to
the
training,
because
I
send
them
there.
P
You
know
if
it
creates
an
issue
of
of
higher
back
or
or
fill
fill
in
for
that
officer
being
gone,
so
you
get
that
cost.
Then
you
get
the
travel
and
lunch
money
associated
with
with
training
those
officers.
That's
why
it
takes
as
long
as
they
do,
but
I'm
really,
I
was
really
shocked
when
I
came
here
to
see
that
evanston
had
at
that
time
they
had
probably
about
65
officers
that
had
went
through
this
training
and
being
able
to
have
the
funding
to
do.
B
Right,
but
in
terms
of
the
response
and
we're
looking
at
the
911
car
response,
you
all
send
if
it's
a
mental
health
crisis
call,
you
know,
say
you
have
that
much
information,
the
way
that
we
disperse
officers
isn't
based
on
necessarily,
let's
send
officer
right,
because
he
has
cit
training
and
he's
really
good
at
it.
We
send
officers
based
on
some
other
process,
correct.
S
Well,
we
take
a
combination
of
of
both
so
our
dispatchers,
our
truck
wall
street,
are
trained
to
recognize
those
situations
and
those
types
of
calls
when
they
come
in
so
they're
recognized
to
train
people
in
crisis
situations.
S
Also,
in
our
daily,
let's
say
our
attendance
law,
every
officer
who
is
cit
trained,
is
listed
on
that
law.
So
when
a
call
for
service
comes
in
and
it's
recognized
by
the
dispatchers
that
a
cit
officer
is
trained,
they
won't
necessarily
send
just
the
beat
officer
who
may
not
be
trained
they're
trained
to
recognize
that
crisis
and
send
a
cit
trained
officer
to
that
scene.
S
So,
in
a
lot
of
cases,
you
may
have
more
than
one
cit
training
trained
officer
on
the
scene
that
requires
that
it
requires
them
to
be
there
and
then
in
those
situations
you
know,
whoever
you
know
has
or
feel
like
they
will
have.
The
best
control
of
that
situation
will
take
the
lead.
So
in
these
cases
it's
not
dependent
on
whose
beat
it
is
or
whose
call
it
should
be.
It's
you
know
who's
best
to
handle
the
situation.
Q
And
as
well
to
address
that
when
the
call
is
completed,
there
is
a
different
type
of
disposition
that
is
in
the
cad
and
rms
system.
Specific
to
mental
health
issue
calls
so
that
they
can
be
tracked
accurately
after
the
fact
to
make
sure
that
it
all
protocols
will
follow
along
those
lines.
M
Thank
you,
so
I'm
I'm
curious
as
to
when
and
first
let
me.
Let
me
say
that
I
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
are
trained
and
and
for
the
folks
that
are
and
in
order
to
respond,
but
I'm
I'm
looking
at
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
make
this
work
better
and
how
we
can
address.
M
Maybe
some
of
the
problems
that
the
police
department
may
have
with
folks
appearing
back
on
the
street
next
day
and
follow
up
with
people
who
might
have
serious
mental
health
issues
that
we
need
to
better,
evaluate
and
treat
so
I'd
like
to
know
how
you
feel
this
would
work
if
we
had
an
outside
team
of
a
mental
health
provider,
for
example,
who
would
either
respond
with
the
police
or
respond
instead
of
the
police
or
how
you
see
how
you
see
that
working?
M
Would
that
be
something
that
you
think
is
that
is
workable,
that
the
police
department
would
or
the
members
of
the
department
that
you're
aware
of
would
welcome
how?
How
how
do
you
see
this
sort
of?
How
do
you
see
this
working.
S
Well
that
that's
a
lot
to
intake-
you
know
all
at
once,
but
I
will
say
that
so
when
we
say
how,
how
do
I
see
it
working?
This
is
one
having
these
social
workers
at
the
table
to
have
this
conversation,
most
social
workers
and
I'm
not
even
talking
about
the
ones
that
we
deal
with
that
are
part
of
city
staff.
S
These
could
be
you
know:
child
welfare,
social
workers
or,
just
you
know,
mental
health,
social
workers
who
want
to
go
and
visit
a
client
most
of
those
social
workers
aren't
comfortable
going
to
that
house,
knowing
the
state
that
their
client
is
in
the
first
thing
they
do
when
they
arrive
in
town
is
call
the
police
and
you
know,
have
the
police
meet
them
at
the
scene,
so
one
I
think
you
know
having
a
social
workers
at
the
table
to
have
this
conversation
and
seeing
their
comfort
level.
S
I
think
when
we
talk
about
crisis
workers
responding
to
a
scene,
especially
as
it
may
relate
to
someone
in
a
manic
state
or
someone
like
us.
For
instance,
I've
been
here
in
domestic
situations,
a
lot.
S
Those
situations
can
turn
volatile
in
the
snap
of
a
finger,
so
most
social
workers
know
that
and
when
they're
going
to
deal
with
these
type
of
patients
and
clients,
they
want
the
police
on
scene
with
them.
So
not
having
that-
and
I'm
not
saying
this
is
every
case,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
this
model
that
we're
looking
at
wouldn't
work.
I
think
you
know
it's
it's
hit
or
miss.
S
You
know
you
don't
know
when
you
send
a
social
worker
to
a
scene
without
a
police
escort
if
it's
going
to
turn
violent
within
the
snap
of
a
finger,
and
if
you
don't
have
that
police
worker,
that's
there
or
stayed
somewhere
nearby,
then
the
response
could
be
that
much
delayed.
And
then
the
problem
has
gone
on.
You
know
for
an
extended
amount
of
time,
while
the
social
worker
is
trying
to
deal
with
it.
S
If
you
ask
police
officers,
you
know
not
just
in
evanston
or
just
across
the
u.s
when
it
comes
to
dealing
with
people
with
that
are
in
that
that
crisis
state.
You
know
it's
not
fun,
but
we
get
the
training
and
we
do
it
because
that's
what
that's?
What's
expected
of
us,
so
I
know
that
was
a
lot
of
questions
that
you
had
in
there
and
I
don't
know
if
I
actually
covered
them
all
like.
S
I
said:
there's
a
lot
to
intake,
but
if
you
ask
our
police
officers,
I
mean
we.
We
want
to
get
to
a
peaceful
resolution,
so
if
that
means
having
a
social
worker
who's
better
trained
on
the
scene
with
us,
I
think
most
of
us
would
welcome
that
and
I
feel
comfortable
speaking
for
the
members
of
the
of
our
department.
When
I
say
that
you
know
you
know
people,
you
know.
S
P
No,
you
know
we
we're
more
than
open-minded
about
where
we
are
in
law
enforcement.
We
ponder
these.
I
sent
out
a
lot
of
information
about
where
we
are
in
the
state
of
law
enforcement.
P
You
know
through
the
the
international
association
of
chiefs
of
police,
the
police
executive
research
forum,
which
is
perth
and
also
noble,
the
national
organization
of
black
law
enforcement
executives,
and
these
are
the
organizations
that
are
redefining
where
we
are
in
law
enforcement
today,
and
we
stay
up
on
on
this
literature
and
look
at
our
organization
as
a
template
on
how
we
can
be
a
model
for
the
rest
of
the
world
and
it's
an
open
door
here
in
terms
of
information.
P
I
want
to
thank
mr
voss
in
our
cad
system.
You
have
a
roblox
cad
system
with
a
lot
of
information
stored
in
it
and
we
can
break
down
the
information
time
and
things
of
that
nature
without
a
problem.
N
Thank
you.
So
I
really
appreciate
this
discussion.
I
want
to
get
more
educated
on
best
practices,
other
models.
I
have
some
more
questions.
I
want
to
do
some
research
first,
so
I'm
glad
that
this
is
for
discussion.
I'm
also
glad
to
hear
that
the
chief
is
in
support
of
the
will
of
the
majority
of
the
community
and
moving
forward
with
defunding,
and
I
would
like
to
recommend
that
we
prepare
at
least
a
statement.
It
could
be
proclamation
or
resolution
just
the
intention,
the
commitment
on
behalf
of
the
city
council.
N
It
seems
that
we
have
majority
support
and
we
could
at
least
move
forward
so
that
the
residents,
especially
the
young
activists
that
have
worked
so
hard
over
the
summer
to
educate
the
community
and
push
us
towards
you
know
serving
the
community
better.
If
we
could
move
forward
with
some
type
of
a
resolution
of
commitment
to
move
forward
in
this
direction
and
of
course
we
would
have
to
continue
on
with
the
action,
but
that
would,
I
think,
be
an
appropriate
response
to
the
amount
of
effort
and
the
concerns
the
valid
concerns.
N
And
although
we
are
fortunate
that
we
have
a
strong
policing,
community
policing
model,
we
have
a
chief
that
supports
that
we
don't
have
police
terror,
but
we
do
have
some
evidence
of
over-policing
in
certain
areas.
So
I
would
like
to
to
make
that
referral
or
recommendation
that
we
move
forward
and
some
sort
of
formal
commitment
that
we
are
working
towards
defunding.
M
So
in
in
all
of
the
all
of
the
emails
that
we
got
from
the
various
different
groups
of
people
who
who
expressed
their
ideas
about
defunding,
I
I
really
think
we
as
part
of
that
statement,
I'm
not
against
the
statement,
but
I
think
we
really
need
to
be
clear,
and
this
is
what
I
was
hoping
that
we
would
do
not
only
through
our
discussion
at
human
services
but
listening
to
the
experts
in
the
field.
M
I,
I
guess
I
really
want
to
give
an
idea
to
certainly
the
people
in
my
ward
about
what
defunding
actually
means,
and
my
my
own
feeling
is
that
I
I
would
love
to.
I
would
love
to
hear
more
about
the
program
in
eugene
oregon,
how
that
might
apply
to
us
here.
I
I
would
almost
like
to
think
of
the
police
department
as
a
community
center.
M
I
know
that
sounds
silly,
but
the
use
of
social
workers
and
outside
workers
in
my
ward,
dealing
with
panhandling
and
homelessness
and
other
especially
the
suicides
that
we've
had
in
my
ward.
I've
been
just
extremely
impressed
by
the
communities
of
knowledge
coming
together
to
de-escalate
these
situations.
They've
been
incredible
to
watch,
and
so
I
guess
my
my
from
an
idealistic
point
of
view.
M
I
would
love
to
see
a
police
department
that
has
a
social,
a
social
network
and
a
open,
a
policy
so
that
we're
not
just
a
you
know,
intake
desk
and
some
cells.
That
were
more
than
that,
because
I
think,
as
we
discuss
these
issues,
they're
so
complicated
and
so
deep-rooted
and
start
at
such
a
early
age
for
a
lot
of
people
that
it's
going
to
take
more
than
our
police
department.
M
I
mean
it's
going
to
take
our
schools,
our
police
department,
all
the
community
organizations
that
we
have
and
and
bringing
in
everyone
in
the
community
to
be
part
of
the
discussion.
M
So
if,
if
we
have
an
idea
of
what
we
mean
by
defunding
I'd,
say
fine,
let's
go,
let's
go
do
it,
but
I
think
there
is
some
confusion
out
there,
what
it
means
and-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
conversation
that
we
have
is
as
broad-based
as
possible
because
we
can
talk
as
a
as
a
council
and
as
a
committee,
but
getting
out
there
in
the
community
and
saying
here
are
the
people
that
we've
talked
to
here
here
are
some
models
that
we
think
might
work,
here's
our
goal
and
and
working
with
the
community's
vision.
M
Here's
how
we're
going
to
get
there,
I
think,
is
a
a
very
worthy
effort
and
one
that's
long
overdue.
So
I
I
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
a
statement
right
now.
I
I
will,
you
know,
certainly
work
as
hard
as
I
can
to
make
sure
that
our
conversation
here
and
certainly
in
my
ward,
is,
is
complete,
but
I
think
we
we
have
some
homework
to
do.
First,
that's
my
own.
My
own
feelings.
K
Thank
you,
alderman
ravel.
There
are
a
couple
of
comments
I
want
to
make
and
I
I
think
I'll
make
the
this
statement
first.
First,
I
want
to
thank
chief
cook
for
being
the
tremendous
leader
that
you
are
for
the
evanston
police
department.
K
Defund,
the
police
means
reallocating
redirecting
funding
away
from
the
police
department
to
other
government
agencies
funded
by
local
municipality.
That's
it
it's
that
simple.
The
fund
does
not
mean
abolish
policing
and
in
some
who
say,
abolish
do
not
necessarily
mean
to
do
away
with
law
altogether.
Now
I
took
that
quote,
his
name
is
rashawn
ray.
I
don't
take
credit
for
it.
He's
a
david
rubenstein
fellow
governmental
studies.
You
can
google
that
later,
but
the
point
is
that
they
invited
me
into
a
conversation
to
explore
it
right
and
I
had
to
get
over.
K
I
personally
had
to
get
over
that
word
and
when
I
stopped
arguing-
and
we
got
to
a
place
to
where
we're
talking
about
it,
I
think
that's
where
we
are
now
as
a
community,
so
my
promise
to
them
is
after
doing
a
lot
of
listening.
I
I
want
to.
I
really
want
to
stress
that
I
really
have
to
listen
is
is
twofold.
K
I
think
it's
important
that
we
create
a
landing
pad
for
our
youth
and
our
leaders
in
this
town.
I
I
think,
that's
very
important,
and
then
the
second
thing
that
I'm
committed
to
doing
is
having
a
broader
conversation,
because
I
think
that
this
is
not
necessarily
limited
to
race.
Maybe
some
will
disagree,
but
it's
more
like
intergenerational
and
I
I
am
committed
to
having
this
meeting
with
my
second
ward
residents
and
listening
to
my
residents
as
we
define
it
and
then,
more
importantly,
listen
to
my
residence
as
it
relates
to
to
the
budget.
K
I
want
to
quickly
move
past
this,
because
I
we're
going
to
talk
for
the
young
leaders
that
are
on
the
call
just
a
point
of
information
where
we
are
at
the
beginning-
and
I
know
some
of
you
joined
late-
is
typically
when
we
take
public
public
comments,
and
so
that
would
have
been
your
opportunity
to
speak.
I
assume
that
this
will
be.
K
This
conversation
will
carry
over
to
the
next
meeting
and
we'll
make
sure
that
you
are
aware,
where
you're
able
to
make
your
comments,
and
we
can
listen
as
a
committee
before
we
finish
up
our
agenda,
and
I
think
those
are
my
my
points.
Yes,
luke
kimberly.
If
you
can
open
up
the
chat
feature
that,
as
we
are
having
this
conversation,
if
we
can
record
their
comments,
that
would
be
very
helpful
and
if
you
can,
please
put
add
to
the
chat,
feature,
the
link
that
has
the
agenda
as
well
as
the
presentation.
C
That
they
send
it
to
staff,
because
at
this
time,
because
the
meeting
is
in
duration,
the
chat
functionality
is
not
available.
K
K
A
N
L
N
So
if
we
could
have
kimberly,
if
you
don't
mind
giving
an
email,
the
right
staff
email
address,.
C
A
Well,
alderman
bruce
simmons.
I
think
I
guess
I'm
going
to
agree
with
alderman
fisk
that
I
think
it's
I'd
like
us
to
have
some
more
conversations.
So
we
have
a
clearer
when
we
talk
about
what
our
vision
is,
that
we
have
a
clearer
idea
just
because
I
think
there
is
such
confusion
in
the
community
about
what
we
would
mean
by
defund.
So
I
I'd
like
us
to
continue
our
conversation
a
bit
longer
before
we
actually
get
to
articulating
a
resolution.
N
And
so
I
appreciate
that,
but
based
on
you
know,
aldermen
birthway
just
gave
a
really
coherent,
easily
understood
explanation
as
to
what
defunding
is
and
we've
been
having
this
conversation
for
some
time.
It
seems
that
everyone
on
council
is
supportive
of
the
goals
of
defunding.
It's
the
word
that
we're
stuck
on
and
we
even
have
support
from
the
chief
himself.
N
So
I
think
a
statement
of
you
know
support
is
appropriate
understanding
that
we're
working
towards
the
application
of
it
and
how
does
that
work?
And
I
understand
that
we
have
to
go
into
a
budget
season
and
I
imagine
it'll
all
be
wrapped
up
in
a
budget
conversation,
but
I
don't
know
where
just
think
it's
the
word
that
everyone
is
stuck
on,
but
the
commitment
is
there
on
behalf
of
everyone.
B
Yeah,
so
I
will
just
say:
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit.
We've
been
on
this
call,
maybe
an
hour.
You
know.
According
to
the
notes,
we
have
several
agencies
we're
trying
to
hear
about
to
understand
our
current
response
to
9-1-1
calls,
which
is
important
as
we
try
to
figure
out
where
we,
you
know,
need
to
reallocate
funds
to.
B
So
it's
you
know
moving
a
little
bit
slow
and
regarding
the
resolution,
I
guess
my
feeling
is
because
we
are
trying
to
get
this
done,
probably
in
the
next
month
and
a
half
before
we
hopefully
have
something
to
present
at
budget
time,
that's
going
to
lay
out
whatever
new
program
or
services
or
whatever
we're
doing
with
this
reallocated
police
funding
I'd
I'd
much
rather
get
through
this
and
make
some
actual
policy
changes
and
budget
allocations
versus
having
staff
spend
time.
B
On
a
resolution
I
mean,
if
we're
all
some
are
learning
some
are
in
different
places
in
terms
of
wording
and
speaking
to
their
constituents.
That
may
be,
I
mean
I've
been
speaking
in
my
constituents
for
a
month
now.
So
maybe
I
I'm
a
little
further
ahead,
but
what
I
thought
the
goal
of
this
meeting
and
subsequent
human
services
meeting
was
was
to
go
ahead
and
start
making
this
plan.
So
part
of
that
is
tonight
getting
information.
B
Learning
what
we
do
have
you
know
looking
at
other
programs,
I
think
we're
going
to
try
to
meet
several
times
in
august
and
then
again
you
know
sometime
in
september,
so
I
would
love
for
us
to
kind
of
get
the
ball
rolling
and
actually
just
go
ahead
and
defund
reallocate
whatever
people
are
comfortable
with.
In
terms
of
word,
I
don't
really
care
my.
B
My
concern
is
getting
the
right
services
getting
the
right
response
to
people
in
need
in
our
community,
and
we,
I
think
we
all
agree
that
that's
not
necessarily
an
armed
police
officer
with
you
know
all
the
stuff
that
they
wear
when
they
go
right.
That
is
not
the
response
that
everyone
everyone
needs.
I
think
also
adam
and
suffer,
and
I
had
a
meeting
where
we
had
a
very
long
conversation
with
a
legal
counsel
who
talked
about
right.
There
are
some
legal
obligations
we
have
with
the
police
union
contract.
B
So
I
want
to
make
sure,
as
we
look
at
the
funding,
that
there
is
time
for
our
city
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
that
done
in
this
budget
year.
We
can
get
that
done
without
violating
a
union
contract
that
potentially
would
end
us
in
court.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
time
for
all
that
to
transpire.
So
by
time
we
approve
a
new
budget
in
november.
This
is
all
kind
of
said
and
done,
and
we're
can
make
that
practical
commitment
to
our
community.
B
So
you
know
I'd
rather
not
have
my
personal
opinion
staff
working
on
a
resolution.
I'd
rather
us
just
you
know,
keep
moving
in
this
direction
of
tonight's
meeting
and
subsequent
meetings
to
actually
just
make
some
inroads
on
making
these
reallocation
decisions
and
policy
changes
so
that
our
you
know
so
that
our
citizen
base
can
see
us.
You
know
doing
the
things
they've
asked
us
to
do
and
we
have
a
very
short
window
of
time
to
get
them
done
so
admin
reveal
if
you,
if
you
you
know,
I
appreciate
your
comment.
A
So
I
we
could
talk
all
night
with
chief
cook
and
his
officers,
but
I
think
maybe
we'll
move
on
to
hearing
from
chief
scott
about
what
role
the
police,
the
fire
department
place
in.
N
So
I
I'm
I'm
going
to
continue
with
my
comments
so
and
I
I
appreciate
the
pushback
and
I
get
it
and
I'm
usually
the
last
one
that
is
for
ceremony,
but
we
do
it
so
often
we
have
resolutions
that
are
a
goal
towards
a
thing
and
then
we
work
on
the
thing
and
we
implement
it
sometime
later.
Why
is
there
pushback
on
this?
That's
really
my
only
point
so
I
agree
I
mean
we
have
hundreds
of
resolutions
that
don't
necessarily
have
an
action
plan.
N
That's
what
that
tool
is
there
for
to
make
a
statement
and
a
commitment,
so
I
would
still
be
in
support
of
moving
forward
with
the
statement
and
if
it's
not
policy,
if
it's
not
a
resolution
or
ordinance
with
a
number-
and
it
doesn't
work
through
that
process-
that's
fine,
but
I
think
that
a
statement
is
worthy
on
behalf
of
the
city
council
that
we
are
moving
forward
with
defunding,
just
in
response
to
the
extreme
advocacy.
N
Education
has
been
happening
in
the
community
community
meetings
and
even
now
response
from
our
chief
of
police.
So
I
understand
that
there's
not
support
for
that,
but
I
needed
to
say
that
we
do
it
often,
and
it
at
least
holds
us
accountable.
N
We
can
then
refer
to
our
own
statement
and
commitment
in
resolution
as
we
work
towards
the
goal
I
get
you
know,
time
is
of
the
essence,
and
staff
has
already
worked
really
hard,
and
so
are
we,
but
we've
done
it
before,
and
I
don't
see
why
we
wouldn't
make
the
same
consideration
at
this
point
for
this
very,
very
important
policy
that
the
community
has
rallied
behind.
M
Well,
I'm
just
I'm,
I'm
not
sure,
we've
ever
done
that
for
a
discussion
item,
that's
been
that's
at
committee
and
where
we've
set
out
a
fairly
aggressive
schedule
for
discussion,
and
especially
this
early
in
in
the
discussion.
M
I
I
think
it's
enough
right
now
to
let
the
community
know
that
we're
we're
moving
ahead
and
and
welcome
to
join
in
the
discussion
about
it
and
that
that
is
our
intention.
I
think
alderman
simmons
you're
correct
that
you
know
that
the
council
has
basically
agreed
that
this
is
the
direction
we
want
to
follow.
It's
just.
I
I
think
just
a
little
bit
premature
and-
and
it
takes
takes
away
from
that-
we're
going
to
need
an
incredible
amount
of
staff
time
to
help
us
with
this
stuff.
M
M
If
you
think
it's,
if
you
think
it's
important,
then
I
would
say
and
we're
going
to
go
ahead
with
it.
I
would
say
that
definitely
we
need
to
make
a
decision
tonight
to
agree
on
a
definition
of
defunding
and
whether
it's
what
ultimate
great
weight
grid
or
whatever
that
we
need
that
definition
to
be
out
there.
I
know
you've
done
an
incredible
amount
of
work
in
in
your
community,
but
I
know
from
all
of
the
feedback.
I've
gotten
and
I've
talked
to.
M
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
in
my
ward,
who
are
just
very
confused
about
about
this
and
and
are
looking
for
some
direction,
and
I've
promised
them
that
there's
going
to
be
a
a
serious,
in-depth
community
discussion
about
how
how
we
can
provide
what
alderman
fleming
said,
the
best
possible
service
to
our
our
residents
and
people
who
need
help-
and
you
know
deorient
this
from
the
police
department
and
into
the
hands
of
professionals
who
can
maybe
provide
better
service.
M
I
don't
know
what
that's
going
to
look
like
now
and
I
don't
want
to
be
in
front
of
a
group
of
people
saying.
Yes,
we
do
funding,
but
I'm
I
don't
have
anything
else
to
say.
I
have
a
ward
meeting
coming
up
on
september
1st,
I'm
hoping
that
we
will
be
meeting
every
monday
until
then,
so
that
we've
got
a
better
idea
than
going
into
budget
season
exactly
what
we're
going
to
do.
M
But
I
I
I
just
don't
want
to
go
out
from
our
first
meeting
as
a
committee
where
we're
discussing
this
and
say
we
have
a
resolution
unless
we,
unless
we
want
to
spend
the
rest
of
the
evening
tonight.
Talking
about
that
resolution-
and
I
I
don't
object
to
doing
a
resolution
when
we
have
a
little
bit
more
information.
But
I
I
just
think
it's
premature.
A
So
I'm
I
am
going
to
move
us
along
and
and
ottoman
russians.
I
guess
I
would
say
to
the
community
judge
us
by
our
actions
we're
going
to
move
as
as
definitively
and
expeditiously
as
we
can
to
come
up
with
a
a
program
that
will
be
you
know,
part
of
the
2021
budget
and
that
they
will
see
that
we're
taking
the
actions
that
they
really
are.
Counting
us
counting
on
us
to
take
we've
got
a
whole
bunch
of
people.
A
I
think
were
lined
up
to
talk
to
us
this
evening
about
the
kinds
of
programs
and
services
that
they
are
already
offering
to
the
community
and-
and
we
really
need
to
hear
from
them-
I
think
this
evening,
so
I'm
going
to
move
us
forward
and
ask
and
thank
again
chief
cook
and
and
your
officers
that
were
here
with
us
and
asked
turn
it
over
to
chief
scott
to
see
what
you
want
to
say
to
us
about
the
role
of
the
fire
department
in
terms
of
responding
to
emergency
services,
and
it's
particularly
that
respon
particularly
cases
of
mental
mental
illness,
crisis
or
homelessness,
or
one
of
those
kinds
of
ish
situations.
A
That
really
needs
a
social
worker
or
a
mental
health
professional
some.
What
what
is
the
experience
of
the
police
of
the
fire
department.
T
Let
me
start
by
saying
thank
you
alderman
ravel,
for
inviting
us
this
discussion.
T
So
that
program
really
tried
to
focus
on
preventing
emergency
department
readmissions
and
while
doing
that,
it
tried
to
focus
on
providing
health
care
system,
education,
home
safety
inspections,
as
well
as
looking
at
social
service
referrals,
and
some
of
those
things
did
relate
to
substance,
abuse
and
mental
health.
T
Los
angeles
has
adopted
it
since
then,
where
they
will
pair
up
a
fire
department
paramedic
along
with
a
nurse
practitioner
or
physician's
assistant,
and
also
at
times
even
a
mental
health
professional
where
they
can
triage
at
the
9-1-1
center
particular
calls
that
may
be
a
low
acuity.
It
may
not
necessarily
need
the
response
of
the
advanced
life
support
unit
that
he
can
send
out
these
type
of
resources
in
an
integrated
way
in
a
more
efficient
way
to
get
the
people
the
type
of
services.
T
They
really
need
the
type
of
experts
they
really
need
in
a
very
proactive
personal
way.
So
this
discussion
really
comes
at
a
very
opportune
time
for
us,
because
I
I
think
amida
st
francis
has
been
an
excellent
community
partner
in
this
dialogue.
They
have
always
been
ever
since
had
originated
with
echo,
and
I
think
they're
very
interested
in
looking
at
expanding
that
program
into
more
of
a
direct
services
model,
and
I
think
that
maybe
we
can
help
in
terms
of
that
integration
support
the
evidence.
B
So,
chief
right
now,
the
echo
I
thought
it
kind
of
served.
People
who
were
identified
by
saint
francis
is
that
correct.
T
That's
correct,
alderman
and
so
we're
not
seeing
the
amount
of
people
in
that
program
that
we'd
like
to
see.
So
I'm
I'm
kind
of
pushing
a
new
vision
for
echo
where
we
have
more
of
a
direct
services
approach,
so
I've
really
kind
of
latched
on
to
this
los
angeles
model,
but
I
certainly
see
where
we
can
blend
this
between
the
la
model
and
the
eugene
organ
model.
T
That's
correct
the
cur
the
current
iteration
of
the
program
is
where
we
get
them
once
they're
at
the
er
and
they're
ready
to
be
discharged,
and
we
enroll
them
in
the
program
at
that
point,
I'd
like
to
see
if
this
to
where
we
have
them
at
the
point
of
fun,
it
can
be
directed
to
people
at
that
point.
T
I
think
it's
always
been
a
part
of
the
program
in
a
limited
sense,
and
I
think
we
need
to
maybe
expand
that,
and
so
I
think
yes,
that's
something
that
it,
I
think,
both
on
the
fire
and
police
side.
We
see
a
high
number
of
calls
that
deal
with
mental
health
tonight.
I
think
we
on
both
agencies
would
like
to
deal
with
them
in
a
more
efficient
way.
B
And
so,
if
you
expanded
this
program,
I'm
assuming
we
would
not
expand
our
fire
support.
I
mean
our
you
know,
firemen,
and
so
this
would
be
an
expansion
just
adding
on
potentially
more
staff,
either
with
the
partnership
with
the
media
or
whoever
else
versus
bringing
all
more
firemen
to
man
echo.
So
we
can
expand
it
if.
T
We
were
to
go
if
you
were
to
expand
the
program
and
go
to
a
24-hour
model.
It
would
most
likely
necessitate
additional
staffing
at
this
point.
My
discussions
with
and
me
to
st
francis
are:
to
what
degree
are
they
willing
to
fund
the
program?
Will
it
be?
You
know
providing
some
of
the
nurse
practice
nurse
practitioners
providing
the
physician,
assistance
and
so
forth?
Would
they
be
willing,
through
their
foundation,
maybe
even
to
provide
more
funding
at
this
point?
T
For
the
current
echo
program,
yes,
we
just
have
well
we've
trained
a
number
of
them,
but
right
now
we're
primarily
using
just
one
firefighter
and
the
practitioners
at
amita
sanchez.
T
And
as
people
are
enrolled,
we
send
out
the
team
to
do
their
work.
M
Hi
chief,
so
what
what
would
it
take
to
in
terms
of
staffing
to
bring
this
to
a
24,
7
operation?.
T
Very
early
at
this
point
very
preliminary
with
the
discussions
with
anita
st
francis,
but
if,
if
you
were
looking
to
expand
just
a
ambulance
service
overall
and
make
this
a
part
of
that
program,
you'd
be
looking
at
at
least
nine
additional
firefighter
paramedics.
A
So
on
my
list
here,
we
I
have
this
24-hour
crisis
line
at
amita.
So
is
that
related
to
this
echo.
A
A
Yes,
miss
castro.
U
Hello,
so
I
am
amira,
so
I
am
the
manager
for
the
outpatient,
behavior
health
plan.
So
if
we
I
don't
want
to
segue
into
it
and
just
kind
of
go
with
the
flow,
if
you
guys
want-
and
we
can
talk
about
the
24-hour
crisis,
design
and
the
library
and
all
of
the
already
partnership
we
have
with
the
city
of
evans,
then
sure.
U
Okay,
well,
thank
you
everybody
good
evening,
so
I'm
anna
chen,
I'm
the
manager
for
the
outpatient,
behavior
health
clinic,
so
going
back,
we've
actually
had
the
a
contract
with
the
city
of
evanston
or
just
what
we
would
call
the
community
support
program,
so
this
would
be
where,
ideally,
it
was
working
with
the
victims
advocate
workers
at
the
police
department
to
get
those
direct
referrals
on
what
we
call
the
frequent
flyers.
U
So
what
chief
cook
mentioned
earlier,
people
in
and
out
of
the
hospital
you
know,
come
in
for
a
couple
of
hours,
don't
meet
criteria
and
then
get
discharged,
so
we
would
be
kind
of
that
follow-up
or
that
triage
where
we
would
get
the
police
reports
follow
up,
be
it
a
phone
call
or
a
home
visit
and
then
try
to
assess
a
little
bit
more
and
see
what
the
appropriate
services
are
for
that
resident.
A
lot
came
out
of
that.
U
I
think
we
learned
so
much
with
that
aspect
of
it
just
in
terms
of
hipaa
and
having
consent
and
and
having
the
victim's
attitude
do
a
little
bit
more.
Instead
of
us
doing,
cold
calls
or
cold
visits.
We
were
at
a
point
where
we
were
making
those
calls
and
going
to
the
home
business
and
the
residents
knew
nothing
of
of
who
we
were
and
why
we
were
there,
so
that
ended
up
being
like
more
of
a
conversation
and
even
pre-covet
what
I
was
meeting
with
icon.
U
How
can
we
clean
this
up
a
little
bit
better
and
make
that
one
hand
off
with
respecting
hipaa
and
making
sure
that
we're
green
to
this
follow-up
in
a
way,
so
I
think,
that's
still
in
the
works
right
now
we're
getting
referrals
from
the
general
assistance
office,
mostly
from
their
workers,
if
they
have
somebody
that
they
identify
as
just
needing
mental
health
services
and
are
not
set
up
with
anybody's,
then
usually
they'll
call
me
and
I'll
try
to
meet
them
right,
pre-covered,
we'll
meet
them
at
their.
U
You
know
levy
center
or
even
at
the
general
assistance
office.
But
now
it's
been
just
a
lot
of
remote
stuff
that
we're
doing
so.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
could
clean
up
like,
as
I
mentioned
before,
and
be
that
follow-up.
U
We
have
been
in
conversation
with
chief
scott
in
terms
of
the
echo
program
and
how
we
can
better
support
that
aspect
of
it.
That
is
through
the
saint
francis
er.
We
do
have
crisis
workers
there,
so
we
are
looking
to
see
how
we
can
do
that.
We
currently
do
have
police
social
workers
in
melrose
park,
so
I
actually
have
the
manager
of
the
crisis
line
on
the
on
this
video
meeting
as
well,
and
but
we
already
have
something
similar
that
we
can
probably
integrate
into
what
we're
already
doing.
U
So
I
think
it's
just
really
laying
it
out
and
seeing
how
we
can
better
serve
the
community
with
the
resources
that
are
already
here.
You
just
have
to
expand
on
them
and
and
make
it
a
little
bit
more
clear.
So
then
we
you
know
we
offer
that
so
part
of
a
regular
community
support
program.
Where
we're
doing
the
follow-up,
then
we
have
our
library,
social
worker.
We
have
a
full-time
social
worker
at
the
evanston
library,
so
we
provide
services
there.
All
these
services
are
free,
even
our
community
support
program.
U
They
are
definitely
christina,
just
jumped
on
she's,
our
library,
social
worker.
U
These
are
you
know,
we
don't
ask
for
we're
eliminating
the
barrier
of
meeting
the
residents
where
they're
at
if
they're
at
the
library,
then
this
isn't
available
she's
pretty
much
on
call
when
she's
there,
because
he
might
be
on
a
different
floor,
pre-covet
of
course
right
and
then
they
would
just
call
her
cell
phone
and
then
she'll
meet
the
patron.
On
the
second
floor,
the
third
floor,
we
do
a
lot
of
case
management.
U
She
supports
not
only
the
patrons
but
also
the
staff,
and
we
do
trainings
at
the
library
and
then
right
now,
even
with
kobe,
we
opened
her
up
to
be
available
to
the
city
of
evanston
for
the
president,
so
she
was
getting
a
lot
of
calls
on
people
trying
to
link
to
services,
helping
them
with
their
stimulus
checks
with
unemployment
and
stuff
like
that.
So
so
that's
and
then
we
have
our
24-hour
crisis
line.
U
That's
available
for
it's
open
for
any
residents
of
evanston
to
call
and
that's
a
crisis
line
where
it's
a
person
answering
the
call,
and
they
can
definitely
assist
in
any
way
that
they
can
and
then
now
we're
part
of
the
evidence
and
care
network
so
and
then
also
the
3-1-1
prompt
they
can
get
to
our
crisis
line
in
that
way,
as
well
so
kind
of.
In
a
nutshell,
I
know
it's
a
lot,
but
you
know
any
questions.
U
U
From
what
I
know
as
civil
might
be
able
simple
as
the
manager
for
the
crestline,
she
might
be
able
to
say
a
little
bit
more
about
it,
but
from
what
I
understood
is
that
we
would
be
a
prompt
when
they
call
3-1-1.
So
if
probably
a
script
that
says,
if
you
need
some
health
assistance
and
you
can
dial
three
or
what
not
simple.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
jump
in
and
and
talk
a
little
bit
more
of
the
frequent
one.
D
So
basically,
what
happens
is
there
is
a
prompt,
so
individuals
who
are
calling
in
311
and
would
like
to
connect
to
a
price
instructor
who
is
a
live?
A
lot
of
trained
clinicians
under
24-hour
crisis
line,
will
answer
the
call
and
be
able
to
provide
resources
to
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
and
very,
very
social
services,
as
well
as
the
fact
if
the,
if
the
caller
would
need
additional
services
and
provide
brief,
select
crisis
counseling
over
the
phone
to
individuals.
D
If,
if
an
individual
is
in
need
of
like
a
well-being
test,
we
will
you
know.
Hopefully
we
are
able
to
get
their
address
and
information
that
we
need
so
that
we
can
follow
up
with
the
students
to
request
through
all
meetings
in
in
the
area
that
we
do
have
police
criticism
for
our
crisis,
for
google
about
indian
assessments,
for
we
have.
Maybe
we
have
a
grant
with.
A
Okay
signing
I
have.
B
A
couple
questions,
so
I
think
mike
is
on
the
phone
and
he
can
maybe
talk
to
the
cost,
because
I
believe
we
paid
something
for
the
services
I'm
the
face,
ladies,
are
describing,
but
my
question
then
so
cindy
you
guys
don't
go
on
the
street.
B
We
have
people
who
have
mental
health
issues,
we're
having
people
who
have
a
lot
of
different
times
in
which
they're
calling
the
police
or,
let's
be
frank,
the
people
are
having
police
calls
on
them
and
they're,
not
in
the
stage
or
they
don't
know
how
to
call
you
right.
They
don't
know
how
to
get
connected
to
you,
311
or
anything
else.
B
So
I
I
guess
you
know,
in
spite
of
the
good
work
that
you're
doing
for
me,
the
need
that
I'm
trying
to
fill
right,
which
is
when
someone
is
calling
9-1-1
or
having
9-1-1
call
on
them,
that
on
the
street
they're
getting
a
response
that
is
appropriate
for
their
need.
So
it's
great
that
we
have
you
and
people
who
know
that
you're
around
or
their
mental
health
or
crisis
is
not
so
severe
that
they
can
actually
get
to
the
phone
and
they
know
they
can
call
someone.
B
You
know
you
fit
that
bill,
but
you
might
you
know,
I
think
we're
there's
still
some
room
there.
I
can
tell
you
you
know
I
have
worked.
I
unfortunately
had
to
encounter
a
young
man
who
was
having
a
psychotic
break
and
called
the
police
who
were
really
great
and
they
kind
of
talked
me
through
some
resources.
It
was
very
clear
from
this
young
man
that
he
was
delusional.
B
Calling
the
police
would
not
have
been
helpful
because
of
what
he
was
talking
about,
and
it
would
have
not.
You
know,
despite
how
great
the
police
are
he
he
was
not
in
a
good
space.
The
police
were
able
to
help
me
find
some
resource
in
the
community
and
I
think
we
sent
him
over
to
trilogy
or
turning
point
or
one
of
those
places,
but
that
that
is
what
I'm
looking
for
right
and
so
right
now
all
we
have
provided
for
our
citizens
is
9-1-1.
B
B
If
you
can
kind
of
tell
me
if
you
remember
the
cost,
that
we
are
paying
for
the
service
at
saint
francis
and
then
also
if
it's
okay
with
the
chair,
if
you
can
speak
a
little
bit
to
our
health
department-
and
I
know
we,
you
know,
have
the
victim
services
and
they
do
some
work.
B
I
looked
at
health
department,
org
charts
from
years
and
years
ago,
and
it
looked
like
we
used
to
have
a
plethora
of
services
that
we
don't
have
now
and
so
I'd
be
really
interested
to
kind
of
hear
from
you
what
our
health
department,
how
they,
how
we
utilize
these
folks
in
the
health
department
and
then
how
we
maybe
can
get
the
correct
services
using
our
health
department.
If
we
bolster
that.
A
V
V
My
name
is
mike
o'bodak
for
the
health
and
human
services
department
and
to
address
some
of
your
questions.
Alderman
fleming.
First,
let's
talk
about
you
know.
You
talked
about
the
sea,
the
fee
to
have
a
media
health
provider
services
at
the
library
and
the
24
hour.
Crisis
line
is
in
the
tune
of
143
000
a
year
for
them
to
provide
these
needed
services.
V
I
mean
I
have
been
providing
these
services
for
a
number
of
years.
I
believe
about
five
to
six
years
to
the
community,
so
that
is
how
much
the
city
is
paying
them
in
regards
to
the
orc
charts.
If
you
go
back
years
and
years,
I
would
say
13
years
or
14
years,
or
so
we
had
a
number
of
services
in
the
health
and
human
services
department,
including
our
dental
offices,
of
course,
the
clinics,
but
due
to
budget
constraints,
as
we
all
know,
those
services
have
since
been
dissolved.
V
We
also
absorbed
a
number
of
other
responsibilities
and
services
that
are
kind
of
come
back
to
the
health
department.
For
example,
our
auburn
is
now
in
this
department,
which
was
formerly
in
the
parks
and
rec
department,
and
the
youth
and
young
adults
program
was
once
with
the
health
department
and
we're
talking
about
years
ago
today,
part
of
the
health
department,
as
it's
done
so
in
regards
to
victim
advocates.
V
As
we
all
know,
victim
advocates
was
a
unit
that
was
attached
to
the
police
department
approximately
three
years
ago
and
due
to
the
reorganization
approximately
three
years
ago.
They
are
now
house
in
the
health
and
human
services
department,
but
they're
still
at
the
police
office,
and
that's
very
intentional,
the
reason
being
because
of
the
scope
and
the
nature
of
their
work.
We
felt
that
it
made
the
most
sense
for
them
to
continue
to
operate
out
of
the
police
station
our
victim
advocates.
V
They
provide
an
array
of
services
to
the
community,
ranging
from
medical
advocacy
when
it
comes
to
individuals,
who've
been
domestically
abused
or
sexually
assaulted.
They
provide
crisis
intervention
counselling.
V
These
are
services
that
we
provide
and
when
our
victim
advocates
respond
to
these,
these
calls
they're
usually
accompanied,
of
course,
with
the
police
or
someone
from
the
police
department
because
of
safety
reasons,
as
dc
jody
wright
indicated,
so
they
get
the
phone
calls
and
they
respond
at
all
times
of
the
day
after
hours,
there's
sometimes
in
which
they
respond
to
after-hour
calls
in
the
middle
of
the
night
just
to
provide
advocacy
and
support
to
those
affected
by
by
crime.
V
As
it
stands
right
now,
we
have
only
two
victim
advocates
that
respond
to
these
number
of
calls.
They
are
on
call
to
provide
these
services
and
these
services
also
to
support
and
argument
what
our
police
department
is
doing,
so
that
we
can
provide
the
needed
services
in
the
community.
Are
these
individuals
who
respond
to
these
calls?
Are
all
professionals
they've
taken
a
number
of
training
courses
in
various
disciplines
in
order
for
them
to
provide
the
appropriate
and
needed
services
to
our
community?
V
So
it
is
a
program
that
we
continue
to
take
a
look
at
and
try
to
make
some
improvements
to
it
and
to
sydney's
point
about
the
consent
when
it
comes
to
hipaa
regulations
and
what
have
you.
It
was
some
of
the
things
that
we
started
to
have
conversations
about
prior
to
covet
19,
and
it
is
something
that
we'll
pick
up
soon
now
that
we
are
kind
of
having
a
breather
when
it
comes
to
covet
19
in
our
community.
U
U
U
We
have
no
time
limit.
I've
actually
been
working
with
somebody
that
came
through
9-1-1
in
crisis
line
for
five
years
already
and
he's
my
ongoing
client
at
this
point,
and
the
grant
supports
that
because
he
won't
be
able
to
afford
otherwise
he
only
has
medicare
and
cannot
pay
the
20
of
it.
So
we
cover
all
that
through
the
grant.
B
U
You're
missing
the
get
this
missing
is
those
those
calls
right,
responding
immediately
to
a
9-1-1
call.
So
that's
where,
like
I
mentioned
before,
we
have
a
model
where
we
do
have
police
social
workers
that
go
out
with
the
police
officers
or
whatnot,
or
even,
if
you
know
the
talks
that
we're
having
right
now,
the
saint
francis
is
having
with
chief
scott,
is
how
to
expand
the
program
and
if
they
do
end
up
expanding
the
way
that
we're
thinking,
then
it
would
be.
U
D
B
A
Thank
you.
I'm
feeling
like
I'm,
going
to
need
a
giant
chart
that
shows
all
these
different
pieces
and
interrelationships
and
so
there's
a
lot.
Are
there
any
more
questions
from
the
committee?
Oh
yes,.
L
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
the
reason
saint
francis
developed
this
program
is
at
the
request
of
our
police
department.
They
came
to
us
and
they
said
we,
the
911
people,
came
to
us
and
said
this
has
got
to
stop.
We
have
these,
as
you
say,
frequent
flyers,
I
mean
just
constant
calls
from
the
same
people
over
and
over
and
over.
That
did
not
require
police
response,
and
so
we
sat
down
with
saint
francis
and
they
developed
these
two
three
services
and
that's
how
this
came
about.
L
A
M
You,
the
death
notifications,
are
they
24
7.
V
So
the
death
notifications
are
in
2024
7.
the
death
notifications.
You
will
usually
do
those
do
it
during
the
day
and
if
the
dutch
notification
has
to
be
made
in
evanston
or
not
sure,
we
have
a
victim
advocate
that
is
accompanied
by
a
police
officer.
Make
that
death
notification.
So
we
try
to
make
those
within
during
the
day.
V
So
at
night
it
is
something
that
we
of
course,
are
working
through.
We
will
talk
to
the
police
department,
the
officers
who
is
in
charge
and
if
something
that
requires
a
phone
call,
it's
something
that
we
can
actually
do,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
actual
visitation,
to
make
that
first
notification
that
victim
advocate
is
accompanied
by
a
police
officer,
but
whatever
that
we
can't
achieve
by
making
a
visitation,
it
will
be
made
via
via
phone
call.
Okay,.
S
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
what
ike
said
and
give
ultimate
fish
a
little
bit
more
information
at
night.
If
there
is
a
notification
that
needs
to
be
made,
we
do
partner
with
our
chaplains
at
the
police
department
as
well,
who
will
go
out
and
make
those
notifications,
along
with
the
police
officers,.
D
P
And
and
also
we
have
been
utilizing,
our
our
in-house
social
workers
ariel
and
kelly
who's
ever
on
call
we'll
page
them
out,
and
they
have
come
in
at
night
to
make
these
notifications.
Okay,.
N
I
have
just
some
general
questions,
not
necessarily
for
the
most
presenters
on
the
assist
other
agencies
and
assist
outside
police
agencies.
I
don't
know
what
that
number
is
chief,
but
are
those
pretty
equitable
relationships
or
reciprocal
I
mean.
Are
we
getting
the
same
amount
of
service
that
we
are
giving
to
the
other
agencies.
P
Yes,
ma'am
those
could,
because
you
know
a
person.
They
live
in
hypothetically
in
skokie
who's
concerned
about
a
loved
one
that
lives
here
in
evanston
and
asked
if
we
can
check
on
on
the
loved
one.
So
agencies
across
the
board
reciprocate
with
those
type
of
services.
N
Okay
and
then
for
like
involuntary
committal
landlord
dispute
city,
ordinance,
violation,
miscellaneous
public
service
and
maybe
let's
take
off
the
involuntary
committal
on
this
question
in
these,
have
we-
and
maybe
this
is
a
question
also
for
director
oppo?
N
P
Well,
the
landlord
tenant
disputes
a
lot
of
times.
We
have
follow-up
with
the
with
the
party
or
the
landlord
the
next
day
in
an
effort
to
try
to
resolve,
whatever
issue
may
be
going
on
between
the
two
parties.
P
We
also
use
other
services,
such
as
when
we
deal
with
homeless
people
laid
out
that
are
out
late
at
night
if
they
don't
want
the
services
of
the
connections
for
the
homeless.
Some
of
these
folks
come
from
chicago
and
they're,
familiar
with
pacific
garden
and
they'll
ask
to
be
transported
down
there
and
so
we'll
we'll
send
them
in
an
uber
or
a
cab
down
to
that
location
and
the
cab
company
notifies
us
when
they
get
to
the
scene.
V
Okay,
to
answer
what
you,
I
guess,
your
question
about
fenind
and
landlord
grieves.
We
do
have
a
service
where
tenants
can
call
an
organization
that
we
we
partner
with
called
nto.
V
If
there
are
any
grievances
or
complaints
or
issues
where
this
organization
could
provide
legal
advice
to
the
tenant
and
also
to
the
longboard,
it's
called
mto.
N
Okay
and
then
on
there,
for
example,
like
the
nuisance
complaint,
so
I
imagine
those
might
be
loud,
music
and
things
along
those
lines
is
that
would
that
be
something
included
in
a
new
9-1-1
nuisance
complaint.
P
Yeah
you
know
we.
We
would
hope
that
those
kind
of
calls
would
come
through
the
non-emergency
number
that
come
through
9-1-1
and
those
are
loud.
Music,
barking
dogs
and
things
of
that
nature.
N
So
my
point
there
is-
and
I
get
those
kind
of
calls-
often
just
from
the
neighborhood
that
you
know
have
called
9-1-1
or
maybe
didn't
they're
calling
me
to
complain-
and
I
think
some
of
this
is
just
in
really
being
neighborly
and
not
that
it's
you
know
the
community's
responsibility,
but
even
strong
black
clubs
help
manage
some
of
the
community
standards
and
neighborhood
standards.
N
So
I
know
instead
of
calling
9-1-1
I
generally,
when
the
residents
call
me
just
walk
over
to
the
neighbor
and
ask
you
know:
will
you
turn
your
music
down,
which
is
much
different
than
armed?
You
know
police
officers
showing
up
and
we
get
these
kind
of
calls
all
the
time
I
imagine
more
so
in
different
neighborhoods,
especially
you
know.
We
have
a
large
student
population
on
the
east
side
of
the
ward.
N
So
is
there
a
model
where
a
certain
type
of
nuisance
call
could
get
a
different
response
like
a
model
in
another
community
or
a
different
designated
staff
person
just
on
some
of
these
nuisance
because
it
can
escalate.
You
know
people
get
really
agitated.
They
see
the
police
just
looking
for
some
feedback
on
a
way,
because
that's
a
pretty
high
number,
it's
like
467
calls.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
list
I'm
looking
at,
speaks
to
the
cause
and
also
the
responses.
N
But
are
there
any
thoughts
there
on
the
need
for
like
an
armed
armed
police
officer
to
show
up
at
a
cause,
something
something
more
along
those
lines.
P
Yes,
other
a
lot
of
communities,
utilize
community
service
officers,
those
are
officers
that
handle
the
nuisance
counter
calls
and
the
type
of
call
that
you
just
spoke
up,
and
we've
talked
about
that
here-
getting
funding
to
have
community
service
officers.
We
could
really
you
know
in
light
of,
what's
going
on
in
american
policing,
we
could
taper
their
dress
where
they
would
not
necessarily
look
like
police
officers,
but
provide
a
service
that,
if
you
added
it
up
in
man,
hours
would
certainly
be
less
expensive
than
a
police
officer.
N
Okay
and
then
one
more
thing
on
the
well-being
check,
so
I
get
cause
often
about
that
as
well.
Generally,
the
well-being
check
concerns
have
been
senior
residents
and
folks
didn't
see
them
in
a
while
and-
and
I
think
in
every
case,
that
I've
had
this.
The
senior
has
been
home
and
just
had
not
been
out
in
a
while
didn't
answer
their
phone
and
everything
was
okay.
N
I
would
look.
I
would
look
to
consider
having
some
sort
of
community
service
person
to
respond
to
that
as
well,
unless
there
is
a
police
reason
why
you
would
want
to
have
a
like
armed
police
officer
show
up
to
well-being
check.
I
guess
those
calls
could
go
wrong,
but
in
my
experiences
generally,
it's
been
residents
that
have
just
been
kind
of
checking
out
a
little
bit
and
they've
been
okay.
Do
you
have
any
feedback
on
that.
P
P
Fact
that
in
america
the
police
officers
are
armed
today,
but
when
you
go
to
these
type
of
calls
with
citizens,
you
know
where
check
the
well-being
we
never
know
when
the
citizen
is
going
to
be
in
distress
and
having
a
full
police
and
sometimes
fire
and
police,
in
conjunction
to
mitigate
that
particular
call.
You
know.
P
Sometimes
we
have
to
force
entry
into
locations
to
ensure
that
the
the
senior
isn't
in
distress
you
know,
is
a
lot
of
indicators
that
will
go
up
into
that
some
some,
I
won't
talk
about,
but
you
know
mail
being
piled
up
the
neighbors,
giving
a
response
that
the
person
every
day
and
they
haven't
seen
him
in
three
days.
P
You
know,
then
it
becomes
our
duty
to
clear
the
house
in
good
faith
under
the
law,
we're
not
being
held
liable
for
that
infraction
of
going
in
somebody's
house,
but
we
do
ensure
that
we
don't
leave
anybody's
house
unsecured
once
we
go
in
and
make
sure
that
that
senior
is
okay
or
not
at
home.
Some
we've
had
cases
where
they've
been
on
the
floor
and
for
a
couple
of
days
and
you
couldn't
get
up
off
of
the
floor.
P
So
you
know
those
are
really
the
type
of
responses
that
a
police
officer
is
needed.
N
Okay,
then,
last
just
one
last
thing
on
the
drug
related
activity,
I
would
imagine
that
these
cause
are
generally
maybe
suspicion
of
sales,
but
in
the
event
that
you
have
what
happens,
this
is
more
of
a
question.
What
happens
if
it
is
someone
that
is
using
like?
Are
they
are
you
arrested
for?
P
No,
if
we,
if
we
can
have,
you,
know,
develop
enough
probable
cause
to
to
to
search
a
person
or
or
paraphernalia
or
things
of
that
nature,
but
normally
we're
not
arresting
a
user,
but
we
do
take
those
calls
serious
because
you
know
that's
a
bad
thing
just
yesterday
down
in
chicago
yesterday
morning
they
had
five
people
od
of
heroin
and
one
hit
one
call
for
service.
It
was.
P
It
was
five
people
that
had
od'd,
so
we
have
to
take
those
kind
of
calls
serious,
also
in
our
response
to
make
sure
that
the
safety
of
the
individual
and
public
safety
is
is
a
paramount
in
those
situations.
N
And
then
I
may
have
missed
this
in
all
the
presentations.
But
what
do
we
have
for
substance
abuse?
Do
we
have
an
agency?
Did
we
get
a
presentation
there,
or
do
we
have
a
agency
or
a
partner
in
town
that.
N
For
that,
because
we
know
some
of
our
habitual.
N
Folks
that
are
being
arrested,
have
substance,
abuse
problems
and
we
keep
arresting
them,
and
we
know
that
they
are
doing
retail
theft,
for
example,
to
feed
a
drug
habit,
and
you
know
this
is
so
complicated
chief
because
there's
so
many
different
folks
that
are
responsible
and
could
play
a
role.
But
what
what
do
we
do
in
that
case?
What
do
we
have
referral
if
they
aren't
if
they
aren't
being
incarcerated
and
getting
the
rehabilitative
services
that
they
need
they
re-enter
back
home?
They
still
have
an
addiction.
They
continue
to
do
retail
theft.
P
Well,
you
know,
drug
addiction
is
a
you
know
to
alleviate.
That
is
an
ongoing
process.
I've
worked
closely
with
the
evanston
youth
for
young
adults.
We
have
in
conjunction
meaning
the
police
department
guiding
several
individuals
enrolled
in
drug
addiction.
Programs
we've
monitored
them
throughout
their
stay.
There
we've
got
one
individual
who
I
won't
name,
but
he
came
out
early.
We
caught
up
with
him
right
away.
The
youth
and
young
adults,
and
several
other
police
officers
were
looking
for
this
individual.
P
We
caught
up
with
him
and
he
said:
well,
he
wanted
to
go
back.
We
took
him
back,
he
got
out,
he
didn't
have
any
identification.
We
worked
that
out
here
in
the
police
department.
So
you
know
is,
is
really
I
guess
you
could
call
it
like
grass
roots
within
government
that
government
agency
government
entities
have
been
working
to
solve
these
kind
of
problems
also,
even
though
we're
not
out
necessarily
hooping
hollering
for
credit
for
it.
P
But
I
do
know
the
youth
and
young
adult
workers
have
been
diligent
about
people
and
evanston,
getting
them
into
rehab
and
monitoring
them
getting
them
hooked
up
with
connections
for
the
homeless.
Things
of
that
nature.
H
Sure
so
really
our
our
youth
and
young
adult
the
big
ben
really
likes
to
tackle
issues
from
really
a
four-pronged
approach,
and
a
part
of
that
is,
you
know
education
and
workforce
development.
H
We
even
met
today
to
kind
of
discuss
how
we
need
to
really
have
our
community
partners
rally
to
to
have
a
more
comprehensive
workforce
development
program
not
just
from
the
outside,
but
from
the
city
of
evanston,
and
I
mean
these
city
in
all
caps
from
how
we
do
workforce
development
from
the
inside
of
the
city
outside.
H
So
one
part
is
you
know
I
like
to
you
know
nathan
always
says
nathan,
norman?
Who
is
our
youth
and
young
adult
program
supervisor?
You
know
he
always
says
you
know,
I'm
really
the
person
that
you
want
to
see
before
you
see
the
evanston
police
department.
H
Unfortunately,
that's
not
the
case
sometimes,
and
we
not
only
have
programs
that
prevent
but
also
intervene,
and
so,
when
we're
talking
about
education,
workforce
development,
you
know
there
was
a
recent
article
that
came
out
in
the
chicago
tribune
that
talked
about
street
outreach
in
chicago,
and
I
even
said
in
the
city
council
meeting
last
week
that
you
know
street
outreach
is
really
what
makes
the
difference.
So
when
it
comes
to,
you
know
developing
civic
responsibility
when
it
comes
to
establishing
workforce
development.
H
We
start
with
the
mayor
summer
youth
employment
program,
but
we
have
to
expand
from
that
to
you
know
older
individuals,
so
that
goes
from
our
youth
all
the
way
up
to
our
young
adult,
which
is
18
to
26..
H
So
I
will
say
that
we
are
starting
to
even
be
more
of
just
you
know
outside
of
youth
and
young
adult,
but
more
like
family
services.
So,
as
chief
chief
cook
discussed
many
times,
the
communication
with
the
police
department
is,
you
know
we
have
young
people
who
you
know
may
may
have
you
know.
H
The
community
may
have
some
concerns
and
if
we
can
can
do
more
of
a
prevention
and
get
them
at
a
particular
state
and
try
to
get
them
into
employment,
that
will
be
meaningful
and
also
provide
them
a
living
wage.
And
that
really
you
know
that
really
is
what
can
you
know
kind
of
curtail
some
of
the
violence
that
we
see
in
our
community?
In
addition
to
that
you're?
H
Talking
about
you
know,
recreational
activities,
so
we
need
even
more
activities
that
engage
young
people
in
the
community
and
also
a
part
of
that
is
mentoring.
H
And
you
know
when
we're
talking
about
the
youth,
young,
adult
division,
doing
peace
circles
to
you
know
when
it
comes
to
mentoring
and
making
sure
that
if
young
people
have
some
conflict,
that
our
outreach
team
can
go
out
and
work
with
those
young
people,
all
of
our
outreach
workers
are
trained
in
you
know
kenyan
non-violence
and
so
just
being
able
to
extend
that
and
have
several
of
those
types
of
sessions
throughout
the
year,
not
just
once
or
twice
a
year,
but
that
is
something
that
really
needs
to
be
ongoing
throughout
the
year.
H
So
you
know
I
will,
I
will
say
if
someone's
asking
you
know
what's
on
our
wish
list,
we
would
like
to
see
a
more
comprehensive
workforce
development
program,
we'd
like
to
have
additional
outreach
activities,
whether
that's
recreational,
whether
that's
kenyan
non-violence,
trainings
we'd,
like
to
increase
that,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
you
know
we
we
do
need
additional.
You
know
resources.
H
So
you
know
I
will
say
that
I
I
still
feel
that
outreach
is
what
makes
the
difference,
but
we
do
have
to
have
the
the
resources
to
put
into
outreach.
M
Hi
yeah
hi
audrey.
I
had
that
on
the
mutiny.
So
when
we
talk
about
youth
and
young
adult
services,
what
is
the
lowest
age
of
youth
that
you
actually
engage
with.
H
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
clients
that
are
as
young
as
four
years
old.
We
have
clients
that
are
as
old
as
80..
So
while
we
say
we're
a
youth
and
young
adult,
we
can't
just
affect
change
with.
You
know
the
youth
and
not
have
some
services
provided
for
each
one
of
the
family
members.
So.
M
Can
can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
what
what
cooperation,
how
you
work,
cooperatively
with
the
schools
with
district
65
and
202,
and
then
also
with
cradle
to
career.
H
Yes,
so
so
you
know,
we
have
an
outpost
at
everson,
township
high
school,
and
so
we
have
outreach
workers
that
are
at
the
high
school
daily,
and
so
of
course,
that
has
not
been
the
case
because
of
covet,
and
so
what
has
happened?
H
What
we've
had
to
do,
because
we
can't
of
course
be
in
the
school,
is
we've
had
to
engage
our
young
people,
whether
that's
through
zoom,
whether
that's
over
the
phone
and
also
we
have
been
able
to
go
to
mason
park
in
order
to
engage
face-to-face
with
our
young
people
and
just
make
sure
we're
practicing
social
differencing.
H
It's
just
not
enough
to
have
a
conversation
with
them
over
the
phone.
We
have
to
have
some
in-person
contact
with
them,
and
so
with
cradle
to
career.
You
know
we
are
active
with
advocates
they're
they're
advocates.
We
were
just
on
their
their
facebook
live
on
saturday,
that's
the
second
time
in
in
a
little
over
a
month
that
we've
worked
with
them
and
kim
holmes
ross.
Who
is
a
really
good
supporter
of
the
youth
and
out
youth
and
young
adult
division?
H
We
are
really
really
working
with
her
to
do
more
work
with
crater
to
career,
because
you
know
what
we've
said
is
you
know
a
lot
of
times
in
evanston.
We
do
really
really
well
with
the
cradle,
but
we
need
to
do
more
with
the
career,
and
so
that's
where
workforce
development
comes
into
and,
of
course,
workforce
development
is
more
long-term
rather
than
just
getting
a
training
and
moving
on
from
there.
So
if
we're
going
to
really
really
do
you
know,
workforce
development,
that's
just
not
getting
a
person
a
job.
H
That's
all
kinds
of
other
approaches
that
you
need
in
order
to
have
a
true,
effective
workforce
development
program.
M
Well,
I
have
been
convinced
by
people
who
are
much
smarter
than
I
am
that
this
is
the
area
that
we
really
need
to
pay
extraordinary
attention
to,
because
this
this
actually
prevents
the
cycle,
that
of
interaction
with
the
police
department.
That
is
most
problematic,
and
so
I
just
I
I
just
out
of
the
moran
center
other
organizations,
I'm
I
I
just
think
this
is
this
is
our
focus
I
mean,
while
we're
trying
to
provide
services
to
everybody.
M
H
Yeah,
so
ottoman
fisk,
I'm
really
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
when
you
spoke
earlier,
you
talked
about
several
different
ways
to
tackle
the
issues
that
we're
talking
about
tonight.
Just
not
through
you
know,
one
entity,
and
so
when
we
think
of
meac,
when
we
think
of
eths
we're
talking
about
career
pathways.
So
so
all
young
people
do
not
have
a
goal
of
college.
H
You
know
opportunities
to
15
youth
for
a
12-week
apprenticeship
program,
and
so
we
we've
been
wanting
to
expand
the
mayor
summer,
youth
employment
program
for
some
time
now
and
this
year
we
were
able
to
do
that,
and
so
we
just
need
to
do
more.
Of
that.
I
think
a
part
of
it
is
also
making
sure
that
when
we
are
able
to
connect
with
the
young
person
that
we
have
a
job,
a
meaningful
job
right
then,
and
so
we
can
provide
a
job
to
that
young
person.
But
that's
not
enough.
H
So
then
our
outreach
team
has
to
wrap
services
around
that
individual.
So
we
talk
about
you
know.
Chief
cook
talked
about
substance
abuse.
Sometimes
when
we're
working
with
a
young
person,
there
are
all
types
of
other
issues,
whether
that's
substance
abuse,
whether
that's
housing.
So
we
have
to
use
every
opportunity
in
all
of
our
resources
in
the
city,
which
is
why
all
of
our
community
partners
are
important.
So
we
always
talk
about
pipelines.
H
So
it's
it's
really
great,
but
if
all
of
us
just
get
the
young
person
from
one
to
three,
that's
not
sufficient.
So
what?
If
I'm
able
to
get
a
person,
a
young
person
from
one
to
three
who
takes
it
from
four
to
seven
and
eight
on
up?
So
I
think
when
we're
talking
about
pathways
and
pipelines,
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
do
what
we
do
well
and
recognize.
H
B
Yeah
not
really
a
question
I
was
going
to
say
I
think
again,
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
get
done,
and
so
you
know
understanding
what
audrey
was
talking
about
in
terms
of
youth
and
young
adult.
I
think,
when
we're
talking
about
the
budget,
we
should
make
sure
it's
a
fully
funded
program,
even
in
terms
of
how
it
was
initially
designed.
I
think
we
might
be
down
at
outreach
worker
if
I'm
correct,
but
also
that's
that's
a
piece
of
it,
but
still
we.
B
In
that
way,
I
think
for
me,
for
this
conversation
I
would
love
to
make
sure
we're
considering
how
they
also
work
with
violence,
interruption
and
then
repair
after
there
has
been
violence,
as
we've
just
had
three
deaths
in
town.
So
I
think
that's
an
important
part
also
again,
not
necessarily
the
defund
epd
conversation,
because
you
know
epd
is
doing
their
best
to
solve
the
crimes
but
they're.
Not
then
necessarily
taken
on
that.
B
We
can
do
some
healing
in
the
community
when
folks
still
live
here
and
and
they
have
been
in
a
conflict
and
someone
has
maybe
passed
away.
So
I
would
love
for
us
in
the
budget
conversation
to
keep
those
things
in
mind
for
outreach,
but
not
then,
in
my
opinion,
put
them
in
this
other
response
to
9-1-1.
I
K
H
So
we
still
have
you
know
our
four
outreach
workers
and
our
senior
outreach
worker
is
jeremy
mcrae,
and
then
we
have
nathan,
who
is
really
over
our
workforce
development
in
our
summer
youth
employment
program.
So
we
actually
are
not
down
any
outreach
workers.
I
will
tell
you
that:
do
we
have?
Is
it
sufficient?
It's
still
not
sufficient.
H
It's
not
any
more
than
we've,
it's
not
any
less
than
we've
had
before,
but
I
will
say
we
could
always
use
more
resources.
I
I
wouldn't
tell
you
that
we
don't
need
more
resources.
Each
one
of
our
outreach
workers
have
have
their
niche.
You
know
when
it
comes
to.
H
You
know
our
statistical
reports
and
getting
the
word
out
our
social
media.
You
know
you
have
deanna
and
then
you
have
working
with
the
young
ladies
deanna
and
lakeisha,
who
also
lakeisha,
is
really
really
good
at
housing.
So
you
and
then
you
you've
got
a
latinx
outreach
worker.
K
H
So
he
was,
he
was
a
a
temporary
employee,
but
now
he
he
is
a
permanent
full-time
employee,
and
so
he
is
he
is
there.
We
made
that
he
was
on
facebook
live
on
friday
and
and
people
really
got
to
see
him
and
understand
his
good
work,
he's
actually
supervising
our
community
maintenance
team
this
summer,
and
so
you
know
we
we
have
like.
I
said
four
outreach
workers
plus
jeremy,
and
that
is
you
know
they
all
have
their
niche,
but
we
do
need.
H
In
an
effort
to
say,
hey,
you
know,
that's
just
not
something
that
that
you
need
to
be
involved
in.
They
take
it
a
little
bit
more
from
their
peers
than
sometimes
me
who's,
an
old
lady.
At
this
point,
so
you
know
just
the
peer-to-peer
interaction
is
also
good.
So
is
there
just
some
some
places
that
we
have
identified
that
we
need
some
other
resources,
ottoman
fist.
M
Discussion,
I
would
like
you
to
make
up
your
wish
list
and
your
wish
budget
and
and
let
the
committee
know.
H
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
also
appreciate
you
know
the
city
council
and
our
internal
city
manager,
for
allowing
the
mayor
summer
youth
employment
program
to
continue.
We
have
had
a
lot
of
success
even
with
you
know
our.
H
You
know
that
we
had
to
pivot,
of
course,
because
of
covet
19,
but
I
will
tell
you
I
have
had
numerous
of
calls
from
parents
and
young
people
who
have
just
said
this
has
been
a
wonderful
summer
in
spite
of,
and
so
I
really
appreciate
you
all,
for
you
know
still
putting
the
resources
into
msyep.
Young
people
are
still
getting
paid.
We
have
over
a
hundred
jobs,
physical
jobs
and
over
260
young
people
who
are
now
registered
and
so
peer
pressure.
H
You
know
they
say:
hey
we're
getting
paid
for
listening
to
financial
literacy
and
then
they're
coming
on
and
every
day
we
get
two
to
three
more
people
who
register
because
they
can
register
till
the
end
and
continue
to
get
paid,
and
so
it's
it's
really
been
a
good
pivot.
And
so
I
really
have
to
thank
you
all
and,
of
course,
our
staff
for
being
able
to
pivot.
On
a
dime
and
make
this
this
program
really
successful
this
summer.
A
Obviously,
we'll
be
calling
on
a
lot
of
them
to
come
back
and
talk
with
us
further,
but
so
we've
we've
received
a
whole
bunch
of
information
about
9-1-1
calls,
and
I
I'm
going
to.
A
R
Good
evening,
council
members,
thank
you
for
having
me
this
evening.
I
was
asked
to
take
a
look
at
the
unfortunate
incident
that
occurred
last
week
at
the
beach,
the
lighthouse
beach
with
the
towel,
depicting
the
symbol
of
the
confederate
flag.
R
That
was
hanging
over
what
appeared
to
be
a
city,
snow
fence,
one
of
those
fences
that
public
works
and
parks
and
recreation
put
up
in
order
to
protect,
patrons
and
the
beach,
and,
as
I
think,
as
we
all
all
know,
it
elicited
a
lot
of
emotion
and
reaction
from
our
residents,
as
well
as
our
aldermen
and
our
staff,
and
I
was
asked
to
look
at
what
other
municipalities
have
done
in
terms
of
prohibiting
symbols
that
may
depict
prejudice
hate
racism.
R
All
these
things
that
evanston
is
just
not
about,
and
in
doing
our
research.
You
know
we
knew
right
away.
This
will
be
a
first
amendment
issue,
as
it
always
is
so.
The
u.s
constitution
protects
free
speech.
Typically,
regardless
of
the
content
of
the
speech.
Now
there
are
cases
that
have
upheld
city
ordinances
and
resolutions
that
limit
conduct.
That
can
be
dangerous
in
a
listening
speech.
So,
for
instance,
we
all
know
the
old
case
of
you
can't
yell
fire
in
a
crowded
movie
theater.
R
Other
municipalities,
for
instance,
have
passed
resolutions
that
may
say
we
we,
the
city,
will
not
hang
one
of
these
symbols
of
prejudice
or
hate
at
our
city
facilities,
but
limiting
symbols
and
speech
across
the
board
is
typically
not
upheld
unless
it
comes
with
some
sort
of
conduct,
that's
happening
with
an
imminent
threat,
so
the
best
example
again
is
yelling
fire
in
the
crowded
movie
theater.
We
we
have
the
right
to
speak.
R
We
have
the
right
to
express
ourselves
as
americans,
but
we
don't
have
the
right
to
do
so
at
the
harm
of
others
and
additionally,
what
the
courts
have
said
too,
is
that
whatever
you
do
in
terms
of
casting
a
law,
a
resolution
it
has
to,
if
it's
going
to
limit
speech,
it
has
to
pass
what's
known
as
strict
scrutiny.
Meaning
is
the
law
narrowly
tailored
to
achieve
the
element
that
the
that
the
municipality
or
the
local
government
is
trying
to
achieve
without
censoring
the
speech?
So
is
it
content
neutral?
R
So
in
this
case
you
know
we
were
able
to
easily
resolve
the
issue,
because
no
one
should
be
hanging
property
on
city
property,
so
whether
it
be
towels
to
dry
on
a
fence
or
hanging
up
something
on
the
city,
building
that
that's
just
not
allowed
generally
and
that's
not
allowed
for
health
and
safety
reasons,
there's
a
permit
process
to
go
through
when
utilizing
city
property
and
that's
all
again
to
help
regulate
the
public,
health
and
safety.
R
So
that's
a
content
neutral
reason
that
we
wouldn't
allow
that,
but
outright
banning
speech
and
symbols
across
the
board
is
something
that
municipalities
and
governments
have
to
be
very
careful
about,
because
the
supreme
court,
you
know,
has
upheld
the
right
to
free
speech,
absent
those
imminent
threat,
threatening
circumstances.
D
N
So
I
I
was
on
the
side
of
you
know,
looking
to
our
law,
to
figure
out
a
way
for
us
to
ban
that
flag
as
a
symbol
of
hate
from
all
of
our
city
facilities
and
any
event.
N
I
understand
the
free
speech
argument,
but
can
we
not
make
a
statement
as
a
municipal
government?
Obviously
that
flag
is
a
complete
contradiction
to
all
of
our
values
here
that
we
stated
in
the
city
of
evanston.
So
what
can
we
do?
I
mean
I
hear
you
saying
what
what
we,
what
we
can't
do
because
of
freedom
of
speech.
But
what
can
we
do
as
a
as
a
home
rule
municipal
government
with
values
that
are
inclusive
and
welcoming.
R
Sure
so
in
other
municipalities,
they
have
enacted
resolutions
or
ordinances
that
will
say,
for
instance,
we,
the
city
of
whatever,
will
ban
the
this
particular
symbol
from
being
hung
at
our
city
facility.
So,
for
instance,
we
will
not
hang
the
confederate
flag
at
the
city
facilities,
because
we
believe
that
this
is
a
symbol
of
racism
and
hate,
and
that
is
not
what
our
community
values
are
about.
R
I
would
expect
that
yeah
and
I
will
just
say
that
I
would
expect
that
whatever
the
council
would
choose
to
do.
We
would
you
know,
of
course,
like
to
work
with
the
council,
because
we
would
expect
that
there
would
be
you
know.
In
any
event,
always
a
court
challenge,
a
federal
court
challenge,
so
we
would
like
to
work
with
the
council
to
make
it.
R
You
know
make
a
way
that
it
would
be.
You
know
that
would
pass
up
with
amendments
or
scrutiny
constitutional
muster
if
something
were
to
be
done.
So
unfortunately,
in
looking
at
you
know,
cities
across
the
united
states
and
looking
at
the
supreme
court
case
law.
That's
about
the
limits
that
cities
or
local
governments
have
been
allowed
to
go
without
seeing
being
viewed
as
a
trampling
on
free
speech
and
so.
R
We,
the
city
right,
we,
the
city
of
evanston,
for
instance,
shall
not
hang
the
confederate
flag
at
any
city
facility.
N
And
so
that
would
include
any
of
our
guests
whether
they
have
a
paid
permit
for
a
park
or
facility
or
if
they
are
in
any
one
of
our
programs.
That
is
city
sponsored.
Would
that
include
our
guests
being
prohibited
from
hanging
it
as
well.
R
Well,
that's
where
it
gets
more
difficult,
so
you,
for
instance,
would
not
be
able
to
ban
a
patron
from
wearing
his
or
her
confederate
flag
t-shirt
coming
to
the
beach.
So
we'd
have
to
look
at
the
specific
language
of
what
the
council
would
like
to
do
and
narrowly
tailor
that
wording
to
achieve
our
the
goal.
The
cases
were
very
specific
in
the
sense
of
it.
It
was
so
specific.
R
If
we
have
a
police
horse
set
up
to
block
traffic
because
of
construction
or
a
parade
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
residents
can't
just
remove
that
horse
or
hang
clothing
up
or
other
items
on
that
horse.
At
city
property
residents
can't
just
design
a
mural
on
a
city
wall
without
obtaining
city
approval.
Things
of
that
nature,
so
we
wouldn't
already
allow
that,
which
is
why,
with
the
instance
with
the
beach
episode
it
was,
it
was,
you
know
a
content
neutral
request
to
remove
the
towel.
R
If
and
again
I
don't
know
that
it
was
with
the
city
workers
that
that
made
that
request.
I
think
it
was
actually
a
resident
that
asked
the
patrons
to
take
it
down
before
a
city
worker
could
get
there,
but
we
would
not
allow
anyone
to
hang
anything
on
the
fence
and
that
should
be
uniform
across
the
board,
because
I
mean
just
for
practical
purposes:
it's
city
property.
It
could
damage
the
fence,
it's
there
for
a
reason
and
we
don't
it
just
shouldn't
generally
be
allowed.
R
Unless
again,
there
is
a
permit
process
for
all
of
that.
So
I
think
to
answer
your
question:
it's
not
a
simple
answer.
It's
something
that
we
would
have
to
look
at
and
again
it
would
have
to
be
very
specific,
and
I
think
we'd
have
to
pull
the
examples
of
other
municipalities
that
have
done
this
and
look
at
their
specific
wording
and
see
what
challenges
if
any
they've
faced
and
if
they
were
to
overcome
those
challenges
successfully.
R
N
So
I
think,
moving
forward
with
the
obviously
we
wouldn't
hang
it
and
we
are
not
in
support
of
it.
I
think
that
language
could
go
along
with.
However,
you
advance
that
you
would
not
bring
and
then,
if
you
could
see,
if
there's
any
example
of
further
restrictions,
I
mean
I
understand
that
you
know
you
have
to
look
at
it
legally,
but
if
you
could
look
to
the
fullest
extent
of
prohibiting
that
as
hate
speech-
and
I
know
that
there
has
been
discussion-
you
know
I
I
I
don't.
N
R
So
this
is
what
they
call
a
slippery
slope
in
in
the
legal
argument.
So
when
you're
banning
so
different
symbols
mean
different
things,
different
people-
and
you
know,
generally
speaking,
that
definition
is
left
more
objectively
and
in
some
cases
subjectively,
depending
upon
the
group
and
what
it
means
to
the
group.
So
there
was
a
case
that
was
mentioned,
I
think
by
one
of
the
residents,
perhaps
or
maybe
one
of
the
aldermen
asked.
R
You
know,
look
at
it
virginia
versus
black,
where
the
supreme
court
upheld
in
part
a
state
law
prohibiting
the
burning
of
crosses
on
property.
R
It
was
held
in
part
because
the
supreme
court
said
that
universally
that
has
been
a
symbol
of
not
only
hate,
but
it's
a
symbol
meant
to
intimidate
and
they
they
looked
at
the
history
of
the
ku,
klux
klan
and
how
that
horrible
symbol
was
used,
and
it
is
often
in
conjunction
with
a
threat
of
violence
or
actual
violence
to
an
individual
where
the
court
said
virginia
went
too
far
with
the
statute
is
said
that
the
cross
itself
is
prima
facie
case.
R
The
burning
cross
is
prime
aphasia
case
in
and
of
itself
of
an
imminent
threat,
and
the
court
said
no.
It's
got
to
be
across
in
conjunction
with
an
actual
threat
to
an
individual
or
to
a
group
of
individuals,
and
so
that's
just
one
example.
I
think
when
we're
looking
at
what
different
things
mean
to
different
people.
This
is
where
we
get
into
a
slippery
slope
argument.
R
So
for
banning
speech
of
one
kind
or
allowing
speech
of
one
kind,
for
instance
on
city
property,
we
can
open
up
the
door
to
allow
any
type
of
speech
and
any
type
of
message.
So
we
really
would
have
to
look
at
again
the
specific
objective
of
what
the
council
seeks
to
do,
because
if
you
make
it
too
broad,
we
will
open
ourselves
to
federal
lawsuits
and,
first
amendment
challenges
and
temporary
restraining
orders
is
a
prohibition
of
free
speech.
So
it's
that
flag.
Generally
speaking,
we
all
know
what
that
flag
means.
R
I
think
that's
you
know
pretty
clear,
but
to
others
they
may
disagree
and
and
in
terms
of
their
first
amendment
right
to
disagree.
They
have
a
right
to
disagree,
but
no
one
has
the
right
to
do
is
use
a
symbol
in
conjunction
with
offering
an
immediate
threat
of
harm
to
another
individual
or
a
group
of
individuals,
and
that's
where
the
law
is
pretty
clear.
K
You
know,
I
think,
we've
had
a
good
conversation.
I
appreciate
alderman
simmons
bringing
this
forward.
I
guess
my
own
personal
philosophy,
and
this
is
for
the
benefit
of
the
committee
in
the
in
the
public,
and
that
is,
I
don't
want
us
to
get
distracted
right
now.
We
have
some
really
serious
initiatives
ahead
of
us
in
this
pandemic
and
I'm
aligned
with
your
thought,
alderman
simmons.
K
But
my
my
simple
perspective
is
this:
the
confederate
flag
has
no
power
over
me
or
anyone
who
looks
like
me
in
the
setting
that
we're
in
right
now-
and
I
think
you
a
moment
ago-
alderman
simmons
did
a
wonderful
job
in
praising
the
resident.
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
situations
where
our
community
has
spoken
and
I
think
it's
pretty
clear.
The
the
this
reasoning
does
not
matter,
and
I
want
to
be
clear.
However.
However,
however,
we
don't
see
any
thing
like
this
displayed
on
any
resident.
K
My
understanding
is
this
was
a
person
who
is
passing
through
our
community
and
any
more
than
I
would
want
someone
to
stand
in
a
line
and
say
black
lives.
Don't
matter
say
the
lgbt,
the
colors
for
the
lgbtq
and
I'm
going
to
miss
a
letter
may
not
matter
I.
I
don't
want
to
go
down
that
slope
either
and
there
will
be
people
who
disagree
with
me,
but
I
don't
mind
saying
this:
I
want
to
know
who
they
are
right.
K
K
I
I
think,
if
nothing
else,
the
only
thing
I
can
credit
our
president
for
is
that
he
is
revealed
to
many
of
us
who
are
sitting
on
council
as
well
as
people
listening
like
who
our
allies
are
and
those
that
they're
watching,
and
so
I
think
in
these
times
I
want
us
to
stay
focused
on
the
reparative.
The
reparations
work,
we're
making
some
really
good
progress
with
what
we're
doing
with
our
police
department.
We've
invested
a
ton
of
time
and
resources,
and
I
think
individual
one-offs,
like
this.
K
W
This,
oh
okay,
miss
gandersky.
If
someone
were
to
come
to
an
evanston
beach
wearing
a
t-shirt
that
had
the
the
n-word
emblazoned
on
it,
would
we
be
able
to
would
that
be
okay
or
that,
legally
speaking,
would
that
be
in
violation
of
any
law
here
in
evidence.
R
Well,
I
don't
think
kingston
has
on
its
books
any
law
prohibiting
speech
period.
We
don't
have
any
ordinances
that
prohibit
speech,
but
again
what
the
law
says
is
speech
that
is
designed
to
elicit
a
threat
and
to
create
imminent
harm
is
not
allowed.
That
can
be
curtailed.
So,
for
instance,
if
someone
were
to
wear
a
shirt
like
that
in
order
to
provoke
a
riot
at
the
beach
where
there
would
be
mass
violence
and
all
kinds
of
harm,
then
the
city
could
curtail
that
the
city
could
stop
that.
R
But
it's
only
in
those
instances
and
again
I
keep
going
back
because
the
case
law
goes
really.
It's
really
clear
and
it
goes
back
a
long
way
that
you,
you
know,
you
may
have
the
right
to
say,
there's
a
fire,
but
you
don't
have
the
right
to
scream
fire
in
the
crowded
theater,
where
you
know
people
will
trample
each
other
to
get
out
when
that's
just
not
the
case.
So
you
don't
have
the
right
to
threaten
others
with
your
speech
and
create
a
situation
of
imminent
harm.
W
So
using
and
my
last
question
so
using
that
framework,
is
it
possible
for
the
council
to
achieve
alderman
bruce
simmons's
goal
to
craft
legislation?
That
specifically
pinpoints
that
that
says,
if
your
intent
is
to
incite,
you
know,
violence
or
harm,
and
knowing
specifically
what
you
know,
it's
not
like.
It's
a
black
lives
matter.
We
know
the
history
of
the
confederate
flag,
it
is
undisputable.
No
one
can
say
you
know
it's
my
opinion.
What
this
flag
stand
for.
It
stands
for.
We
know
what
it
stands
for.
We
know
what
its
purpose
was.
W
So
given
that
unless
someone
says
at
the
time
that
hey
I'm
here
to
do
this
ironically,
to
make
a
protest.
If
that
is
not
their
reason,
could
the
council
draft
legislation
to
ban
the
use
of
the
confederate
flag
or
the
n-word,
or
you
know
that
kind
of
those
kinds
of
materials
out
in
public.
R
I
don't
think
we
can
look
at
each
possible
incident
in
terms
of
a
hypothetical
in
terms
of
enacting
an
ordinance.
I
think
what
you'd
have
to
look
at
is
where
the
council
could
say
we
as
a
city
are
not
welcoming
this
conduct
on
city
property
and
the
reason
for
that
so
in
in
the
virginia
versus
that
case
virginia
almost
got
it
right
where
they
said.
Well,
you
know
burning
across
on
on
property.
R
Is
it's
an
arrestable
offense,
but
they
went
further
to
say,
because
the
cross
in
and
of
itself
creates
an
imminent
threat
of
harm.
The
supreme
court
said
no,
not
quite
the
cross.
The
cross
is
a
symbol
of
hate,
but
just
the
burning
of
the
cross
itself
is
not
enough.
It
would
have
to
be
in
conjunction
with
with
the
harm.
So
I
don't
know
I
mean
we
would
have
to
look
at
it.
R
I
think
this
would
take
more
legal
analysis,
if
I'm
honest,
to
see
specifically
what
the
court
would
what
the
council
would
like
to
do,
and
the
idea
is.
I
think
it
would
require
a
brainstorm
in
in
looking
at
other
municipalities,
but
I'm
not
necessarily
sure
we
need
to
enact
something,
because
I
think
the
law
already
protects
evanston
in
a
sense
where,
if
someone
is
doing
this
to
incite
harm,
then
then
yes,
the
city,
can
step
in
and
stop
the
conduct.
A
And
then,
and
also
we
don't
we,
we
already
can
say
to
somebody
who
can't
place
your
towel
or
whatever
on
the
snow
fence,
because
it's
that
we
could
already
cracked
take
care
of.
R
Correct
and
in
building
off
with
alderman
braithwaite
said
to
you
know
it's
if
you
look
at
the
way
that
the
the
day
unfolded
as
horrible
as
it
was.
R
You
had
residents
on
the
other
side,
able
to
voice
their
speech
and
send
an
equally
powerful,
positive
message,
and
I
think
that's
really
important,
because
I
think
you
know
what
what
our
constitution
is
based
on
is
these
expression
of
ideas,
and
we
saw
that
our
community
did
not
stand
for
that,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
you
know
the
pop
that
speech
was
powerful
that
day
in
any
equal
and
opposite
matter.
N
So
I
have
to
add
a
couple
things
that
the
majority
of
the
community
did
stand
for
it.
So
it
took
a
woman
to
come
from
the
south
side
of
town
to
come
and
address
it,
and
she
did
have
some
support
and
some
back
up
once
he
did
that.
But
apparently
it's
my
understanding
that
he
was
there.
The
flag
was
there
for
some
time
at
least
long
enough
for
her
to
get
there
collect
her
kids
and
come
from
the
south
side
of
the
city
and
then
also
staff
was
there.
N
So
this
might
be
an
opportunity,
if
nothing
else,
to
let
our
staff
know,
even
if
they're,
seasonal
or
part-time
that
what
our
policy
is
for
hanging
things
on
fences.
You
know,
because
there
that
could
have
been
addressed
just
from
our
our
beach
staff,
the
lifeguard
or
whomever
was
there.
So
if
you
could
just
make
sure
that
that's
being
done
as
well
and.
N
So
I
still
would
be
in
support
of
moving
forward
with
at
least
a
statement
from
our
city
on
not
supporting
it
in
our
facilities
or
raising
the
flag,
something
on
behalf
of
the
city.
If
you
could
come
back
to
us
with
some
language
that
would
be
appropriate.
A
Absolutely
what
I'd
like
to
do
now
is
just
get
a
committee
consensus
about
our
meetings
going
forward
next
monday.
We
have
our
city
council,
but
after
that
we
have
three
more
mondays
in
august
and
then
and
then
there's
a.
We
have
a
human
services
meeting
in
early
september
as
well.
So
that
would
be
four
possible
meetings
to
pursue
the
conversation
that
we
began
this
evening
and
get
us
ready
for
the
2021
budget
that
I
think
comes
out
in
late
late
september.
A
B
A
J
M
A
A
Right,
but
I
think
our
meeting
is
scheduled
for
that
wednesday.
Oh.
M
M
A
Okay,
yes,
all
right,
so
that
will
be
our
plan,
and
I
welcome
your
thoughts
about
the
various
questions.
We
should
be
asking
ourselves
the
information
we
should
be
gathering
my.
A
Meeting
we
could
hear
from
a
variety
of
nonprofits
in
the
community
that
provide.
A
That
we
would
like
to
make
sure.
A
In
with
with
what
the
city's
already
doing
so
that
that's
about
as
far
as
I've
gotten
in
my
thinking,
how
much
it
is.
M
Yeah,
I
I
like
your
your
reference
to
a
flow
chart
or,
however
you
would
describe
that,
and
I
I
think
that
I
think
if
we
can
start
filling
that
in
I
I
I'd
like-
and
it
was
very
helpful
actually
for
chief
scott
to
you
know,
tell
us
how
many
more
folks
he
would
need
in
order
to
you
know,
do
the
work
that
we
might
be
asking
him
to
do
in
order
to
reach
24
7.
M
But
I
you
know
those
are
numbers
that
we
need
to
kind
of
plug
in
so
as
we're
talking
about
defunding
and
actually
bring
bringing
you
know,
financial
resources
over
to
whatever
program
we
design.
We
have
a
good
idea
of
what
how
much
we're
talking
about.
P
M
So
I
I
don't
know
how
we
start
this
chart,
but
I
I
don't
I
mean
audrey
thompson
I
mean
was
really
helpful
because
I
think
that's
that's
a
like
a
slightly
bigger,
a
bigger
chart
and
will
be
more
money.
But
again
it
gives
us
a
sense
of
what
we're
looking
for,
because
my
understanding
is
in
the
police
budget,
and
somebody
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
in
the
police
budget,
where
we
have
the
possible
funds
are
in
the
personnel
personnel
category
and
so
that's
what
we
can
ostensibly
draw
from.
M
So
I
I
guess,
I'd
like
a
little
bit
of
I'd
like
a
little
bit
of
structure
to
this
and
eleanor.
I
can't
think
of
anybody
who's
better
instructor
than
you
in
sicily.
So
right
we.
B
Yeah
no
chart
expert,
but
I
I
will
I
keep
saying
this,
but
I
would
love
for
us
to
really
be
focused
on
this
conversation.
I
mean
again
the
things
that
audrey
is
talking
about
with
outreach.
If
we're
talking
about
you
know
if
we're
talking
about
use
of
the
word
defined,
whether
we
like
that
or
reallocation
or
whatever
it
is,
I
think
we're
looking
at
our
police
and
9-1-1
and
again
getting
their
citizens
the
appropriate
response
for
their
call
right
and
that
it's
not
unless
we
reconfigure
outreach,
that's
not
the
goal
of
outreach.
B
So
ottoman
biscuit,
I
think
you're
right,
that's
something
we
can
think
about
through
this
committee
or
through
the
whole
council
in
the
budget
discussion,
and
maybe
that's
a
budget
memo
that
we
look
at,
but
even
in
bringing
in
the
non-profit
list.
I
think
automobile
usa
went
out
earlier
this
week.
I
think
we
should
really
be
super
targeted
on
those
agencies
as
either
providing
some
of
this
service
now
or
maybe
potential
to
provide
the
service.
So
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
talk
to
extra
non-profits
and
I'm
not.
I
don't
know.
B
B
This
was
talking
about
really
kind
of
what
is
the
gap
that
we're
trying
to
fill
here
in
our
service
delivery
and
who
can
feel
it
whether
I
would
advocate
for
a
health
department's
affiliate,
because
we
have
a
health
department
and
we
stop
those
people
and
I'm
not
really
comfortable
outsourcing,
a
9-1-1
response,
because
that's
something
that
is
super
important.
Our
citizens
should
have
a
key
response
for
that.
So
I
wouldn't
be.
B
I
wouldn't
personally
be
comfortable,
saying:
hey,
let's
have
hawaii,
for
instance,
respond
to
these
kind
of
calls
or
whatever
else,
all
that
to
say
so
going
further.
With
these
limited
amount
of
meetings
we
have,
it
would
be
great
to
get
really
focused
on
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish,
because
we've
already
now
been
almost
three
hours
or
whatever
on
this
meeting
and
we've
got
good
information.
But
I
don't
know
how
to
remove
the
needle.
M
Yeah,
but
we
also
need
to
need
to
be
aware
that
a
lot
of
these
calls
a
lot
of
his
calls
require
equipment,
and
so
we
need
to
plug
in
the
like
the
fire
department
or
someone
who
has
the
equipment
that
is
actually
necessary
to
make
well
well
visits,
for
example,
or
something
like
that,
and
I
do
really
want
to
focus
on
the
the
youth
and
young
adult
part
of
this,
because
I
think
that's
critical
to
the
messages
of
concern,
to
put
it
mildly,
that
have
been
expressed
over
the
interaction
between
our
youth
and
the
police
and
the
direction
that
means
youth
will
be
going
and
how
we
how
we
pull
them.
M
A
Okay,
then
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
well,
thank
you,
everybody
and
thank
you
so
much
to
everyone
who
came
to
give
us
all
this
good
information
this
evening.
We
really
appreciated
it
and
we'll
be
probably
calling
on
you
some
more
so
good
night.