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A
Thank
you,
everyone
for
being
here
to
join
us
this
evening.
For
this
conversation,
I
have
to
read
the
official
words
here
as
a
result
of
the
executive
order
issued
by
governor
pritzker
suspending
in-person
attendance
requirements
for
public
meetings,
human
service
committee,
members
and
city
staff
will
be
participating
in
this
meeting
remotely.
A
C
A
Hi,
okay,
great
so
our
first
order
of
business
is
public
comment
and
we
have
three
speakers
for
this
evening,
mike
fasilco,
your.
F
Okay,
so
first
you
know
the
agenda
that
was
attached
to
the
website,
for
this
meeting
doesn't
have
anything
really
specific
to
a
discussion
about
what
some
people
call
defunding,
the
police
and
yet
in
a
news
report,
I
read
that
that's
what
you're
going
to
be
talking
about
tonight.
So
how
is
anybody
supposed
to
know?
That's
the
agenda
when
the
only
thing
attached
was
a
very
brief
memo
from
the
director
of
health
and
human
services,
which
has
no
backup
to
it
as
far
as
what
was
received
from
different
community
partners.
F
Second
of
all,
I
still
don't
understand
that
I've
asked
every
time
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
even
at
the
second
ward
meeting
just
last
week.
I
see
no
documentation
that
suggests
there's
a
reason
to
so-called
you
know:
defund
police.
F
You
know
everybody
wants
to
jump
on
the
same
bandwagon
on
other
communities
are
doing
this
and
places
where
it
should
be
done,
but
we
don't
need
to
do
it
in
evanston,
so
I'm
still
very
skeptical
as
to
why
we're
doing
it
at
all
the
money
that
we
should
save
from
other
other
budget
items
could
be
spent
towards
the
good
causes
that
people
want
to
see
funded,
but
we
don't
have
to
remove
the
funds
from
the
police
department
to
do
that,
and
I
guess
lastly,
because
I
don't
have
anything
else
to
react
to
from
what
I
received
on
the
website.
F
A
Okay,
thank
you
mike
and
then
next
we
have
sean.
D
Good
evening,
older
people,
and-
and
thank
you
for
your
time,
I'll,
try
to
get
all
of
this
in
and
mike.
I
hope
this
helps
thank
you
for
continuing
to
discuss
ways
in
which
we
can
reallocate
funds
to
the
community.
I
especially
want
to
thank
older
people
fleming
and
simmons
in
their
effort
to
move
this
forward
in
a
positive
and
production
productive
direction.
D
You
also
said
that
there
was
a
north
carolina
study
done
sometime
during
the
mayoral
campaign
that
put
the
city
of
evanston
in
the
national
news
which,
as
you
said
in
terms
of
number
of
stops.
When
you
look
at
our
number
of
population
and
the
number
of
black
residents,
it
was
pretty
high
and
the
numbers
were
alarming
and
that
apparently
this
was
one
of
the
first
issues
that
mayor
haggerty
tackled.
D
So
let's
compare
that
today
today.
According
to
that
study,
which
was
released
in
2017,
a
black
driver
was
seven
times
more
likely
to
be
searched
than
a
white
driver.
According
to
the
recently
released
epd
annual
report
2019,
they
are
now
four
times
more
likely
to
be
researched
than
a
white
driver
with
white
drivers
having
similar
hit
percentage
of
contraband,
but
seven
times
more
likely
to
have
a
dog
search
done
with
less
contraband
found
than
their
white
counterparts.
D
According
to
the
same
department,
epd
reported
that
the
stop
rate
of
black
pedestrians
now
only
17
of
our
population,
increased
to
on
to
over
78
of
all
stops.
These
same
black
residents
were
arrested,
49
percent
of
the
time,
while
white
residents
who
were
stopped
were
arrested,
90
percent
of
their
stops.
D
What
about
the
arrests
from
traffic
stops?
Idot
does
not
publicly
report
arrests
from
traffic
stops,
so
all
we
have
to
go
off
of
is
epd's
dashboard,
which
is
messy
the
this
includes.
They
include
more
pedestrian,
stop
data
than
they
are
required
to
share
by
law
with
idot,
but
somehow
less
traffic
stop
data,
but
according
to
their
their
dashboard
in
2019,
black
drivers
were
arrested
from
traffic
stops
at
about
the
same
rate
as
white
drivers
about
17
percent
of
the
time,
even
though
they
make
up
a
large
majority
of
the
traffic
stops.
D
D
For
the
past
century.
We
have
been
told
that
there
are
problems
with
our
policing
and
we
have
tried
to
reform
the
police
department
rather
than
focused
reinvestment
in
building
communities.
I
invite
you
to
read
everything
you
can
about
the
kerner
report
today.
The
mayor
said
he'd
never
heard
of
it,
but
it
used
to
be
required.
Reading
for
the
police
for
years,
we
do
not
need
an
overbloated
police
force.
We
need
investment
in
the
community.
We
together
have
disenfranchised.
D
Let
us
take
these
misspent
resources
and
put
it
into
a
community
that
has
been
historically
disenfranchised,
not
just
in
the
country,
but
here
in
evanston
what
happened
to
the
school
for
the
fifth
ward?
Why
are
we
not
making
more
progress
for
putting
a
stem
school
in
that
place?
Why
does
affluent
central
street
have
a
personal
library
branch?
The
fifth
ward
does
not.
D
Why
have
we
been
investing
in
programs
to
benefit
more
affluent
wards,
but
not
listen
to
the
voices
shouting
for
more
city
and
community
investment
in
the
less
affluent
ones
audrey
thompson
began
serving
as
community
service
manager
after
kevin
brown
was
fired
in
another
fiasco,
orchestrated
against
the
black
man
working
for
the
city
for
anyone
unaware
he
was
fired
for
using
a
credit
card
for
paying
or
parking
tickets
in
city
on
city
vehicles,
something
that
other
city
employees
had
long
made
a
practice
of
doing
one
of
his
complaints
when
he
contested
the
decision
was
that
he
spoke
out
against
the
unequal
treatment
of
city
staff
and
unequal
budget
for
the
youth
and
young
adult
division.
D
Audrey.
Thank
you
for
your
work.
If
you're
here-
and
I
hope
you
continue
to
fight
for
providing
resources
for
our
youth
audrey
this
morning-
was
calling
for
the
creation
of
more
opportunities
and
a
greater
diversity
of
opportunities
for
our
youth.
She
reiterated
that
when
the
opportunities
abound
for
young
people,
you
decrease
crime
and
violence.
We
need
more
of
this.
C
C
C
Sorry,
okay,
I
had
two
questions.
Let
me
read
what
I
wrote.
I
started
off
with
my
public
comment,
just
being
two
questions,
and
so
the
the
two
responses
I
wrote
answer
each
of
those.
So
I
my
first
question
or
my
first
observation-
was
increased
funding
of
health
and
human
services
for
community
health
and
well-being
beyond
bookkeeping.
C
Transfers
is
something
to
pay
attention
to,
and
then
the
second
issue
or
question
was
have
a
plan
for
sustainable
community
growth
and
resiliency,
which
is
pretty
much
a
short
shorthand
for
all
the
things
that
have
been
talked
to
prior
to
my
public
comment
here,
which
I
fully
support
in
terms
of
how
we
do
the
monies.
The
first
question
applies
to
health
and
human
services,
and
I
said
through
partnerships.
C
We
have
survived
emergencies
like
coveted
19,
with
determination
on
the
fly,
but
when
current
crises
are
too
awful
and
I'm
thinking
awful
as
a
police
shot
awful
to
barrier
again
so
much
more
as
needed.
So
how
do
we
restore
and
maintain
well-being
to
prevent
the
next
crisis?
The
best
option?
Knowing
change
takes
time?
C
What
if
it
was
in
2008
public
health
clinic,
was
still
active
and
engaged?
Could
unaccept
accepted
disparities
in
health
outcomes
and
longevity
have
been
addressed
via
enhanced
access
and
outreach?
Have
we
done
this
in
2008?
Okay,
what
if
health,
health
and
human
services
homelessness
prevention
fund
had
intervened,
to,
preserve
more
of
evidence,
wonderful
unit
houses,
sustainably,
built,
affordable
family
homes
and,
more
importantly,
vulnerable
long-time
residents
and
families
throughout
evanston,
instead
of
losing
them?
C
Could
community
well-being,
resiliency
and
affordability
via
diversity
and
wealth,
building,
effectively
counter
homelessness,
identification,
impossible
new
housing
costs,
social,
economic
and
family
devastation,
post
2008
and
now
with
code
19.?
Why
not
lead
fund
now
and
staff
with
local
jobs,
health
and
human
services,
the
outstanding
community
asset?
It
is
and
needs
to
be,
why
not
evan's
done
and
then
the
second
one
is
very
short.
Mayors
are
signing
on.
This
is
courtesy
of
bill
smith.
Mayors
are
signing
on
to
increasing
human
services
as
bill
smith
reported
in
evanston.
C
Now
regarding
today's
human
health,
human
services
meeting,
why
shouldn't
evanston
and
mayor
hagerty
is
defunding
any
agency
obligatory
regarding
increased
funding
of
evanston's
health
and
human
services.
Bookkeeping
won't
correct
the
systemic
problems.
Community
policing
can't
succeed
unless
the
enforcement
of
code
via
police
powers
complies
with
police
policy
and
standards,
including
accountability
and
oversight,
or
redirect
all
the
city
enforcement
to
either
the
health
and
human
services
or
epd
with
burdened
regional
agencies,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we
don't
have
outstanding
help.
C
A
So
now
we're
gonna
turn
to
our
main
item
of
discussion
for
this
our
meeting
this
evening,
and
I'm
I'm
feeling
remiss
that
I
didn't
read
bill
smith's
article
about
what
we're
going
to
talk
about,
because
I
don't
think
it's
quite
true,
but
so
tonight
we're
going
to
be
having
a
continuation
of
the
discussion
that
we
began
earlier
this
month,
which
is
to
look
at
the
programs
and
resources
that
the
city
currently
has
available
and
uses
to
respond
to
our
9-1-1
calls
for
service.
A
I
think
it
seemed
to
a
number
of
us
when
we
looked
at
the
compilation
of
9-1-1
calls
that
the
police
department
provided
to
us.
It
suggested
that
they're
really
a
good
number
of
the
calls
that
are
made
to
the
police
department
that
don't
necessarily
require
the
response
from
a
uniformed
police
officer,
and
so
the
question
is:
would
an
alternative
public
health
emergency
response
model
that
sends,
for
example,
a
two-person
teen
with
perhaps
a
mental
health,
professional
and
a
medic?
A
So
at
our
previous
meeting,
we
heard
primarily
from
city
resources
that
go
into
responding
to
these
emergency
calls,
and
what
we
want
to
do
tonight
is
hear
more
from
our
non-profit
community
about
ways
in
which
they
are
either
already
providing
emergency
response
services
or
could,
if
we
turn
to
them
or
just
have
a
conversation
with
them
about
what
they
think
would
be
the
best
way
for
us
to
be
providing
for
our
residents
who
find
themselves
in
these
crisis
situations.
A
So
we're
interested
in
hearing
what
what
role
your
organization
plays
in
assisting
individuals
in
crises.
Do
you
respond
actually
to
emergency
calls,
or
do
you
provide
services?
Let's
say
the
next
day
during
office
hours
as
it
were,
and
then
what
do
you
see
as
the
short-term
and
the
long-term
outcomes
for
the
ways
we're
responding
to
our
residents,
who
are
find
themselves
in
these
crisis
situations?
A
So
we
have
a
good
number
of
people
here
with
us
this
evening,
and
I
really
would
really
appreciate
your
joining
us
for
this
discussion
and
I'm
just
gonna
sort
of
start
on
the
list
here.
So
we
have
ariel
jackson.
We
have
from
our
victim
services
program.
A
Is
that
correct
or
not
yet,
or
we
could
hear
from
kristen
white
from
the
ywca
good
evening,
I'm
here,
oh
okay,
thank
you!
So
ariel.
Could
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
just
a
little
bit
about
your
role
in
responding
to
these
crisis
summer
situations
absolutely.
E
Good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
council,
I
am
one
of
two
advocates
victim
advocates
who
work
at
the
in
the
police
department
with
the
city
in
victim
services.
We
provide
24
hours
seven
day
a
week
after
hour,
24
hours,
seven
day
a
week,
crisis
response,
in-person,
crisis
response.
E
We
also
that
that
coverage
covers
after
hours,
so
we
currently
work
a
one
week
on
one
week
off
after
hour
crisis
response.
E
So
what
that
means
is
when
there
is
a
crisis
that
comes
into
the
station
that
comes
into
the
police
department
and
victims
are
impacted
depending
on
what
the
crisis
is,
they
are
given
an
option.
E
If
they
want
us
to
respond,
the
victim
will
say
I
can
talk
to
them
tomorrow
or
yes,
I
need
an
advocate
now
and
then
there
are
some
situations
where
there's
not
an
an
option
given,
for
example,
certain
calls
homicide
calls,
there's
an
automatic
call
where
victim
advocates
come
out
to
the
scene
in
person
to
provide
crisis,
intervention
and
support.
E
E
E
So
we
also
do
court
advocacy
so
once
a
case
is
charged
and
goes
to
court,
we
go
to
court
with
and
many
times
in
place
of
the
victim
court
dates.
Travel
on
many
cases
can
go
on
for
many
years.
That's
very
difficult
for
a
victim
to
have
to
take
all
of
that
time
off
or
even
if
the
victim
has
relocated
to
have
to
keep
coming
back
and
forth,
and
so
we
will
work
with
them
and
go
in
go
to
court
in
their
place.
E
E
So
the
police
reports
are
included
in
this
added
to
the
system
and
then
the
next
morning,
they're
uploaded
for
my
partner,
kelly,
nelson
and
I
to
view,
and
we
go
through
every
single
report
every
single
day
and
make
phone
calls
to
those
victims,
whether
they
want
to
follow
up
or
not
just
to
ensure
that
they're
getting
the
services
needed
that
they're
in
touch
with
the
right
officer
they're
in
touch
with
the
right
detective.
E
They
understand
the
process
or
to
be
certain
that
they
don't
want
to
move
forward
or
that
their
their
needs
have
been
met.
At
that
moment,
we
work
with
dcfs
the
state's
attorney's
office,
the
medical
examiner's
office,
the
fire
department,
obviously
the
court
system,
other
police
departments,
other
police,
social
workers
and
any
other
any
other
stakeholders
to
ensure
that
our
kpis,
our
key
performance
indicators,
are
being
met
on
a
daily
basis.
B
Thanks
ariel,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
your
training
is?
E
Absolutely
kelly-
and
I
are
both
masters
level.
Social
workers
kelly,
I
believe,
has
12
years
of
social
work
service
and
I
am
in
my
26th
year
in
social
services.
I
am
also
at
the
beginning
of
my
victim
advocacy
prediction:
certification
training,
so
there's
actual
there's
an
actual
certificate
program
for
victim
advocates,
and
I
think
I've
begun
that
program
this
summer.
Well,
this
fall.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
kelly.
So,
as
you
know,
we're
discussing
you
know,
alternative
responses
to
9-1-1
calls,
and
that
was
a
great
presentation
you
gave.
My
question,
however,
is:
when
someone
calls
9-1-1,
you
are
not
going
out
with
the
police
or
without
the
police.
Just
an
immediate
response
to
that
call
is
that
correct.
E
E
G
Okay,
so
if
there's
a
nine
hypotheticals,
we
understand
this.
So
if
there's
a
9-1-1
call,
then
9-1-1
dispatch
right,
obviously
send
out
a
police
officer
if
the
dispatcher
thinks
that
maybe
this
is
something
for
you
all,
then
they
will
call
your
direct
supervisor,
who
will
then
decide
if
you
all
should
go
out.
E
E
If
they're
not
available,
then
the
call
then
defaults
to
deputy
chief,
whoever
the
deputy
chief
on
call
is,
or
the
chief.
G
Okay
and
then
just
understanding
that
you
all
rotate
shifts-
and
you
do
you
know-
cover
24
hours.
If
you
are
not,
you
know
at
your
office
in
evanston
here
and
you're
at
home,
or
you
know
living
your
life
on
the
weekend
about
how
much
time
does
it
usually
take
you
all
or
what
is
the
window
of
time
that
you
all
try
to
be
available
to
get
to
a
call.
E
We're
we're
we
we've
always
operated
within
an
hour
response
time,
that's
an
hour
from
the
time
we're
notified.
So
if
there's
a
gap
in
services
between
the
time,
let's
say
indira
gets
the
call
or
gets
a
call
and
then
reaches
me
that
my
clock
starts
once
and
there
reaches
me.
So
it's
realistically
the
most.
It's
like
an
hour
and
15
minutes
door-to-door.
G
Okay,
so
I
asked
that
just
you
know
as
we're
having
this
very
public
discussion,
it's
important
for
me
to
keep
my
mind
and
citizens
thinking
about
alternatives
to
9-1-1
calls,
and
so
I
think
your
service,
because
of
what
we
decide
to
do
you
know
at
the
end
of
this
conversation,
your
service
is
very
vital
and
I
appreciate
the
work
you
all
put
in
just
in
conversation
with
the
peer
with
my
peers.
G
A
Yeah
face.
B
Yeah
ariel,
I'm
I'm
interested
in.
How
do
you
know
do
we
have
ike
on
the
is
is
like
here
with
us?
I'm
wondering
yeah,
okay,
I'm
wondering
what
happens
when
you're
notified
that
victim
services
or
victim
advocates
are
being
called
for.
What
do
you
and
and
indira
do
I
mean?
Is
that
a
step
that's
needed,
or
is
that
something
that
we
could
a
step
that
we
could
take
out
to
get
a
slightly
quicker
response?
Could
you
just
fill
us
in
on
that.
B
B
I
And
it
doesn't
take
much
time
so
to
speak.
When
an
officer
calls
us
and
us
making
a
contact
with
the
victim
advocate,
and
it
might
also
be
a
situation
whereby
the
officer
is
trying
to
determine
whether
an
advocate
is
needed
or
is
something
that
an
advocate
can
respond
to
the
following
day.
Then
we
can
put
our
heads
together
or
we'll
make
a
determination
and
say:
okay
well,
looking
at.
H
I
This
case
that
it
does,
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
is
severe
enough
to
have
an
advocate,
respond
right
away.
This
can
be
something
that
an
advocate
can
respond
to
the
following
day,
so
we
just
put
that
step
in
place
just
to
ensure
that
we
are
enlightened,
that
we
are
informed
of
these
particular
cases
before
that's
been
transferred
to
an
advocate
to
respond.
E
May
I
also
say
one
of
the
more
vital
things
that
has
happened
in
that
step.
Is
that
our
because
we
work
well,
we've
been
working
remotely,
but
on
a
in
a
normal
situation,
we
work
in
the
station,
so
we
physically
work
separate
from
my
immediate
supervisor
and
the
director,
and
so
sometimes
it
may
be
difficult
things
happen
really
quickly.
It
may
be
difficult
to
keep
them
in
the
loop
it
as
things
are
happening,
it's
harder
for
them
to
keep
their
pulse
on.
E
What's
going
on,
for
me,
I
can
say,
like
I
said
earlier
kelly
and
I
alternate
weeks,
so
there
was
one
week
when
we
had
three
horrific
things
happen.
That
was
my
week,
so
we
had
three
very
horrific
things
happen
and
then
lots
of
other
things
happen
throughout
that
week
as
well,
and
so
because
indira
was
getting
those
calls
back
to
back.
E
She
was
able
to
say
hey,
she
kept
would
not
kept,
but
she
kept
in
touch
with
me
to
see
if
she
needed
to
come
out
to
kind
of
help
and
assist
and
also
keep
her
pulse
on.
E
What
sort
of
self-care
was
needed
because
kelly-
and
I
have
done
this
for
so
long-
we
don't
recognize
when
we're
operating
in
autopilot,
with
just
being
two
advocates
and
so
having
the
calls
kind
of
filters
through
them
keeps
them
one
keeps
them
in
the
loop
and
then
two
keeps
them
up
to
date
on
where
we
we
are
in
our
cases,
because
it's
just
two
of
us
if
one
gets
overloaded,
that
kind
of
throws
the
entire
department
into
a
tizzy.
B
Afternoon
is
it
is
ariel,
it
is
your.
Do
you
ever
need
one
more?
Do
you
ever
think
you
need
one
more
person
I
mean.
Is
that
helpful?
Would
that
be
helpful
or
absolutely
as
we
go
through
our
discussions,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
what
how
staffing
would
change
and
what
we,
what
we
need.
E
Absolutely
I
think
a
staffing
would
help
in
the
course
of
five
years.
We've
gone
from
four
advocates
to
two,
and
so
staffing
is
an
issue
we've
made
the
best
of
it,
but
to
be
very
transparent.
It
becomes
difficult
at
times.
E
I
am
thankful
that
we
have
an
incredible
team
with
great
leadership
who
help
us
to
kind
of
compartmentalize
and
care
for
ourselves
as
well.
But,
yes,
we
would
benefit
from
additional
full-time
staffing.
Okay,.
J
Autumn
and
fisk,
if
I
may
jump
in
this,
is
indira
perkins,
the
victim
services.
So,
as
ariel
was
saying,
I
can
myself-
and
it's
usually
me-
I
guess
my
backup,
but
I
like
to
get
those
first,
because
I
also
like
to
know
what
the
advocates
are
walking
into
and
somebody
is
messaging
me.
I
also
do
feel
that
their
self-care
is
important.
J
All
of
the
recent
homicides
that
we've
had
in
the
last
couple
weeks
ariel
had
every
single
one
of
those
cases,
and
so
sometimes,
if
I
have
a
call
coming
in,
I
know
kelly
may
be
available.
I'd
rather
call
her
and
not
arielle,
because
I
think
somebody
with
a
clear
head
needs
to
go
in
instead
of
the
advocate
that
may
be
on
call.
So
that's
the
reason
why
we
I
can
myself
like
to
be
the
middle
person
before
we
send
an
advocate.
B
Okay,
well
that
that's
good,
it's
good
to
have
an
explanation,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
again
committee
that
we're
plucking
up
in
the
conversation
about
adding
an
additional
person
to
victim
services,
victims.
B
A
Right,
no,
thank
you.
Okay!
Well,
that
was
very
impressive
amount
of
work
that
our
victim
advocates
take
care
of.
For
us,
that's
really
really
impressive,
so
kristen
white
can
we
hear
from
you
from
the
ywca
and
and
what
kinds
of
emergency
services
you
provide
as
well
to
people
in
crisis.
K
Sure
thank
you
for
inviting
us
to
join
the
conversation,
I'm
the
chief
operating
officer
at
ywca,
so
I
oversee
all
of
our
programs,
including
our
comprehensive
domestic
violence
program,
which
is
the
only
one
serving
northeastern
cook
county,
and
what
that
means
by
comprehensive
is
that
we
do
everything.
That's
sort
of.
We
do
extensive
prevention
work
with
youth
as
well
as
intervention
and
emergency
and
response
work,
and
that
includes
our
24-hour
crisis
line
that
provides
crisis.
K
Counseling
case
management,
resource
referral,
as
well
as
intake
for
the
different
services
we
offer
emergency
shelter,
long-term
housing,
as
well
as
transitional
housing,
which
we
deliver
in
partnership
with
connections
for
the
homeless.
Additionally,
we
have
counseling
for
residents
as
well
as
community
members
at
no
cost.
K
Our
staff
have
specialized
training,
most
of
them
are
msws,
they
have
40
hours
of
training
in
domestic
violence
and
some
of
them
as
well
in
sexual
assault
and
most
of
our
crisis.
Work
is
done
through
our
phone
line.
That
is
both
dealing
with
people
in
immediate
danger
and
those
who
may
not
be
in
immediate
danger,
but
are
intermittently
in
danger
and
are
seeking
to
exit
from
that
situation.
K
We
don't
go
out
sort
of
doing
like
street
intervention
work.
There
are.
There
are
models
for
that
around
the
country.
K
We
did
work
briefly
with
the
city
for
six
months
at
their
request,
providing
victim
services
for
domestic
violence,
victims
in
evanston,
and
ultimately
that
was
not
a
fit
for
for
the
way
that
we
work
as
an
organization,
and
I
think,
as
you
look
at
ways
to
think
more
creatively
about
meeting
the
needs
without
relying
on
police.
I
would
encourage
you
to
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
giving
money
to
a
nonprofit
organization
and
asking
them
to
fill
that
gap.
K
There's
a
lot
of
complexity
to
the
integration
of
systems,
whether
it's
information
sharing
confidentiality,
the
building
of
trust
between
staff,
who
might
have
been
used
to
doing
work.
That
now
is
not
something
on
their
plate.
And
what
comes
up
with
that?
So,
though,
the
conversation
is
critical,
the
solutions
are
far
more
complicated
in
terms
of
operationalizing
them.
K
So
if
the
this
committee
chooses
to
move
in
that
direction,
I
encourage
you
to
have
conversations
with
organizations
who
have
worked
with
the
city
in
these
ways
to
understand
some
of
the
systemic
challenges
that
make
it
difficult,
they're,
not
insurmountable,
but
there.
If
you,
there
are
both
expected,
as
well
as
unexpected
challenges
when
you're
merging
institutions
and
different
cultures
and
ways
of
working
and
even
ways
of
coming
at
the
work,
whether
it's
from
a
police
lens
or
a
social
service
lens.
K
There
are
also
opportunities,
I
think,
for
evanston
to
think
about
preventative
work,
not
just
emergency
response,
so
there
are
fantastic
models
around
the
country
for
high-risk
response
teams,
where
the
police,
in
partnership
with
community
organizations
and
school
districts,
are
identifying
those
families
who
are
most
vulnerable
and
rallying
the
resources
in
advance
of
crisis
where
the
police
would
need
to
be
called
in.
We've
had
efforts
in
the
past
to
to
implement
that
in
evanston.
K
I
think
there's
still
an
opportunity
to
look
at
all
the
partners
who
can
play
a
preventative
role
in
meeting
families
where
they
are
before
crisis
happens.
So
those
are,
we
offer
a
lot
of
other
services,
but
in
terms
of
crisis
response
that
primarily
and
really
exclusively
occurs
through
our
domestic
violence
program.
A
Thank
you
committee
members.
Any
questions,
yep
alderman
fizz.
B
Do
we
know
who
those
potential
partners
are?
Was
that
something
you
could.
K
Well,
I
think
it's
really
looking
broadly
at
what
are
the
human
needs
of
our
families
in
our
community
and
it's
around
mental
health
access
to
physical,
medical,
health.
It's
domestic
violence,
it's
substance,
abuse,
it's
housing,
access
all
of
those
pain
points
where
families
get
stuck
and
their
lives
get
blown
up
because
they
lose
a
job
or
they
get
one
month
behind
on
rent
and
those
escalate
into
additional
crises,
and
so
it's
not
rocket
science
and
that
we
know
when
you're
poor
and
you
have
all
these
systemic
barriers.
K
Things
are
much
more
complicated
and
difficult
to
navigate,
and
so
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
organizations
in
evanston
that
can
bring
resources
to
bear
before
those
families
reach
crisis.
If
there
is
a
collective
coordinated
way
of
sharing
that
information-
and
there
are
systems
in
place
to
facilitate
that.
A
H
G
G
I
know
you
talked
about
going
out
and
working
with
the
victims,
but
do
you
all
do
any
work
with
perpetrators
of
violence
and
then
that
you
know
there's
only
two
of
you,
so
I
realized
that
and
then
kind
of
what
happens
when
you
go,
and
I
imagine
you
know
your
services
are
optional,
and
so,
if
we
have
people
who
either
don't
want
to
engage
with
the
police
department
because
of
trust
or
at
the
time
of
the
crisis,
they
are
not
ready
to
engage
with
you
all
kind
of
what
what
happens
with
them.
E
So
our
work
with
perpetrators
is
unique
in
that
there
are
two
of
us.
So
in
a
lot
of
domestic
related
issues,
you
can
be
the
victim
in
one
situation
and
the
offender
and
the
other,
and
so
our
rule
of
thumb
is
kind
of
once.
I've
worked
with
you
as
a
victim
I'll
always
work
with
you
as
a
victim.
E
So
then
I
would
take
so
if
kelly
had
someone
as
an
offender
in
her
case-
and
they
are
now
the
victim,
then
I
would
take
that
case
and
work
with
them
in
their
in
the
role
of
the
victim
in
terms
of
straight
victor,
victim
and
offender,
beyond
referrals
for
additional
services
that
they
may
call
us
to
ask,
for,
we
don't
do
a
lot
of
work
with
them
just
for
confidentiality
issues
and
for
the
safety
of
the
victim.
E
It
would
be
difficult
for
us
to
work
with
the
victim
and
knowing
the
offenders
continually
calling
us
to
give
us
their
side
of
the
story.
So
we
try
to
keep
those
lines
pretty
clear,
those
boundaries
pretty
firm,
and
so
we
may
give
referrals
for
services,
but
we
don't
necessarily
work
with
offenders
services.
I
believe
there
was.
G
G
E
As
it
relates
to
domestic
violence,
you
know
we
would
refer.
We
typically
refer
to
the
offender
program
that
the
y
has
we.
We
don't
so,
first
of
all
kelly
and
I
don't
do
long-term
counseling
services
we're
qualified
to,
but
because
of
the
nature
of
the
job
we
don't.
We
can't
supply
continuity
of
care
for
long-term
counseling
services.
So
we
don't
do
individual
sessions.
Family
sessions
groups
things
of
that
nature
simply
because,
with
crisis
work
we
never
know
when
we're
going
to
be
called
away.
E
So
if
someone,
if
an
offender
wanted
some
help,
we
wouldn't
say
no,
we
do
we
don't
work
with
offenders
and
hang
up.
What
we
would
do
is
to
give
make
sure
that
we
connect
them
with
the
services
that
do
provide
help
for
offenders.
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
do
information
and
referral.
Okay,.
E
So
many
times
we
go
to
a
scene,
it's
volatile!
If
there's
information
that
I
need
to
give
the
victim,
there
are
some
things
that
are
going
to
always
come
up
in
certain
crimes
in
certain
victimizations.
So
if
there's
information
about
the
medical
examiner's
office,
what
are
the
next
steps
beyond
this
moment?
E
The
victim
may
not
be
ready
to
receive
it.
I
will
a
ask
the
victim:
hey.
Is
there
someone
who's
speaking
for
the
family?
Is
there
someone
I
can
give
this
information
to
or
v
I
will
follow
up.
I
will
continue
to
follow
up
hey.
I
know
that
you
didn't
want
to
talk.
I
just
want
to
check
in
with
you
I'll,
be
in
touch
with
you
in
the
next
couple
of
days,
and
we
establish
a
pattern
or
record
beyond
that.
E
G
K
You
could
could
I
share
all
the
when
I'm
filming
with
our
about
our
victim.
I
mean
our
perpetrator
program
because
I
do
think
there's
an
opportunity
for
you
all
to
consider
that
as
well.
I
think
that's
an
excellent
question.
We
have
the
illinois
department
of
health
and
human
services
has
a
certified
program
called
partner
abuse,
intervention
programs,
and
I
imagine
there
are
other
programs
for
perpetrators
of
other
types
of
violence
as
well.
K
Ours
is
a
26-week
program.
That's
in
evanston
it's
at
sliding
scale.
We
don't
turn
anyone
away
and
it's
at
this
point.
Idhs
is
only
certified
for
men
male
abusers,
but
we
have
partnered
for
a
couple
of
years
with
the
department
of
health
and
human
services
in
skokie,
and
we
take
young
men
who
have
violated
municipal
codes
and
they're
referred
to
the
program
so
that
they
don't
enter
the
court
system
as
a
first
step,
and
so
I
think
there
are
other
perpetrator
programs
out
there.
C
B
A
minute
there,
you
are
okay,
so
if
I,
if
I
heard
you
correctly
and
ariel
when
you're
in
the
situation
where
someone
does
not
want
to
talk
to
you
or
the
police,
you
can
refer
them
onto
the
yw
program.
Is
that
correct?
Am
I
hearing
that
correctly.
E
No,
what
I
said
was
one
we
have
victim
and
offenders,
we
don't
have
an
offender
program
and
in
those
situations,
when
offenders
want
information
and
referral,
we
typically
refer
them
to
the
ywca's
program
in
those
situations.
E
So
only
when
offenders
seek
out
information
from
us,
we
don't
provide
offender
services,
we
don't
have
any
counseling
programs
or
groups
or
anything
of
that
nature,
but
we
do
work
with.
We
have
worked
with
the
y
in
the
past
in
making
referrals
for
offenders
who
are
seeking
help
to
to
their
program.
E
B
H
B
Is
that
taken
into
consideration
if
an
offender
is
interested
in
doing
that?
Is
that
taken
into
consideration
in
the
police
response
to
that
offender?.
E
I
I
can't
say
what
happens
on
every
patro:
every
police
patrol
stop
or
police
encounter.
I'm
not
certain.
I
do
know
that
once
the
case
has
escalated
to
court,
the
judge
will
mandate
those
things.
So
there
are
other
avenues
to
be
referred
so
yeah.
That's
how
we
that's
how
we
would
respond
to
those
sort
of
inquiries.
We
would
make
the
referral
things
of
that
nature.
Thanks.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
so
thank
you
both.
Let's
turn
now
to
we
have
several
people
here
who
are
sort
of
our
leading
advocates
on
you
know
in
terms
of
responding
to
our
homeless
people
in
in
the
community.
A
L
Coping
day-to-day,
as
I
know
you
have
to
do
sure,
I'm
happy
to
we
do
we
consider
ourselves
part
of
the
crisis
response
system
and
almost
everyone
we
work
with
is
in
some
kind
of
crisis,
because
they've
lost
their
housing
or
they're
about
to
lose
their
housing.
They're
often
impacted
by
mental
health
and
substance
use
disorders
that
make
the
crisis
even
deeper
for
them,
our
staff
utilize,
evidence-based
practices
like
trauma-informed
care
and
harm
reduction
to
de-escalate
crises
as
they're
occurring.
L
That
being
said,
it's
not
always
possible
to
to
de-escalate
every
crisis,
and-
and
we
are
not
we're-
not
necessarily-
and
we're-
certainly
currently
not
resourced-
to
do
crisis
response
for
someone
who
is
experiencing
something
out
out
kind
of
in
the
world,
not
in
our
programs
we're
responding
to
crises
in
our
programs
all
the
time,
but
we
do
have
a
two-person
outreach
team
who
does
do
street
outreach
and
we
do
our
best
to
respond
in
a
timely
manner
when
we
receive
calls.
L
But
it
is
certainly
not
a
situation
where,
like
someone's
in
a
fight
on
a
street
corner-
and
we
can-
we
can
show
up-
and
you
know
if
they
have
a
mental
health
issue-
we
do
not
have
the
capacity
for
that
kind
of
emergency
response.
We
have
worked
with
evanston
police
department
to
provide
trainings
in
de-escalation
and
in
mental
in
you
know,
understanding
what
it's
like
to
work
with
someone
who
is
experiencing
a
mental
health
crisis.
Specifically,
we
respond.
L
Aldermen
often
send
us
folks
who
you
know
refer
folks
to
us
who
are
in
crisis
but
again
the
correct.
That
is
not
an
immediate
response.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
people's
expectations
are
clear.
We
have,
I
would
say,
expanded
our
response
to
the
covid
crisis
in
ways
that
we
didn't
even
dream
possible
and-
and
so
we're
running
this
rather
large
hotel
operation,
currently
where
again,
everyone's
kind
of
in
a
crisis.
That's
why
they're
staying
in
a
hotel
as
as
part
of
sheltering
and
it's
become
much
more.
L
I
have
a
much
more
visceral
response
to
understanding
what
the
kind
of
stress
that
kristin
has
referred
to
when
people
are
poor,
when
people
have
lost
their
jobs
when
their
family
members
are
sick,
maybe
they're
living
in
a
really
unstable
housing
situation,
there's
four
or
five
families
living
in
a
small
apartment
and
the
apartment
owner
just
says.
I
can't
do
this
anymore,
and
so
then
people
end
up
in
this
horrible
situation
without
any
resources.
L
So
our
I
think
our
perspective
on
how
to
deal
with
that
is
to-
and
I
know
this
isn't
directly
what
you're
asking
me,
but
is
to
prevent
those
crises
in
the
first
place,
with
appropriate
housing
counseling
with
rental
assistance,
when
it's
necessary
with
eviction
prevention
when
it's
necessary,
so
that
people
don't
get
to
the
point
where
they're
out
on
the
street
with
absolutely
nothing.
L
I
would
also
say
that
our
partners,
family,
promise
interfaith
action
of
evanston,
the
yw.
Together
we
create
a
shelter
system
and
that
system
lacks
capacity
right
now.
So
if
we
had
resources
to
increase
the
number
of
beds
available,
then
if
someone,
if
you
know
the
police,
find
someone
in
a
parking
lot
or
sleeping
in
a
box
or
something
and
there
and
we
had
a
big
enough
shelter
system,
we
could
take
that
person
in.
Currently,
none
of
us
have
the
capacity
to
do
that.
L
Although
we're
trying
to
be
strategic
as
we
come
out
of
this
to
figure
out,
you
know
what
are
what
our
options
are
for
increasing
shelter
capacity,
so
that
so
that
at
least
that
kind
of
crisis
is
something
we
could
be.
You
know
responding
to
more
quickly,
we're
also
very
open
and
very
would
be
very
willing
to
engage
in
discussion
about
having
a
more
responsive
outreach
team
who
could
be
more
available.
L
You
know
there's
so
many
great
partners
on
this
call
who
do
great
work,
and
I
I
do
think,
there's
capacity
in
the
community
if
we're
adequately
resourced,
to
expand
those
expand.
Those
services.
B
Hi
betty,
could
you
could
you
hi?
Could
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
the
interaction
between
between
you
and
the
police?
I
know
our
pst
officer
will
arswaga
has
been
called
on
several
on
several
occasions.
Can
you
just?
B
Can
you
just
sort
of
integrate
that
with
what
sort
of
support
that
you
might
need
and
what
what
we
might
be
looking
for
in
terms
of
providing
assistance,
assisted,
for
example,
more
staff
or
what
whatever,
if,
if
you're
thinking
about
and
as
we
are
thinking
about
in
terms
of
how
we
address
some
of
these,
you
know
social
service
needs.
B
L
I
really
appreciate
you
asking
that,
and
I'm
very
aware
I,
as
you
may
see,
I'm
at
the
orington
hotel.
This
is
where
I've
been
for
three
or
four
months
now
kind
of
during
the
week
and
there
it
is
definite
there
is
a
definite
need
for
police
intervention
from
time
to
time.
Here,
it's
generally,
not
our
staff
calling
the
police,
the
participants
kind
of
will
get
into
it
and
kind
of
call
the
police
on
each
other.
L
Our
role
in
that
is
to
try
to
de-escalate
the
situation
before
it
gets
there
and
we
can't-
and
sometimes
we
just
can't
get
everybody
calm
down.
They.
They
want
to
activate
that
option
for
themselves.
I
think
chief
cook
and
I've
had
some
conversations
and
he's
been
very
responsive.
L
Sometimes
you
know
hot
spots
kind
of
move
from
place
to
place
in
the
community.
So
when
we're
just
like
there's
a
thing
on
a
corner,
sometimes
just
having
a
cruiser
park,
there
is
a
deterrent
for
unwanted
activities.
We
it's.
It
is
never
our
goal
to
bring
the
police
into
a
situation
it,
and
this
isn't
the
fault
of
the
officers.
It
can
just
escalate
it
even
further
and
it
can
become
very
dangerous
for
everyone
involved.
L
I
would
you
know,
I
think
that
the
key
to
the
experiences
we're
all
having
with
having
so
many
people
in
this
very
dense
area
is
to
deep.
You
know
we
need
to
depopulate
these
hotels
and
we
need
to
move
people
into
housing.
We
don't
we
don't
want
to
be
connections.
We
don't
want
to
operate
an
sro
where
everybody's
there
forever.
L
Our
goal
is
to
have
this
be
a
transitional
situation
where
someone
becomes
homeless,
it's
impossible
to
stop
the
event
of
homelessness
from
taking
place,
but
we
need
a
safe
place
for
them
to
go
and
they
need
a
you
know.
Then
we
need
a
place
for
them
to
move
to
once
the
once
they've
stabilized.
So
on
one
end,
it's
like
having
shelter
capacity
in
place
to
put
people.
L
Certainly
staffing
it.
You
know
we're
staffing,
24
7,
three
different
locations,
it's
quite
expensive,
but
we're
happy
to
do
that.
Work.
It's
what's
necessary.
L
Excuse
me,
but
really
affordable
housing
on
the
other
end
of
is
what
is
what
keeps
people
from
losing
their
homes
in
the
first
place,
and
then
it's
also
the
solution
for
folks
who
end
up
in
this
situation
and
we'd
be
happy
to
like
if
there's,
if
there's
a
a
way
for
us
to
piggyback,
like
if
you,
if
we,
our
staff,
can
go
out
with
polling's
officers,
you
know
when
we're
going
to
investigate
some
situation
where
there
might
be
a
homeless
person
that
we
don't
know
about.
A
M
I
am
here:
okay,
hi,
susan
and
so
at
interfaith
action.
Right
now
we
still
have
our
morning
center
every
day,
it's
open
from
7
to
11,
for
anyone
who
is
homeless
to
come
in
have
breakfast
and
we
will
be
reopening
our
computer
room
and
have
our
employment
counselor
back
again
tomorrow.
So
they've
been
off
during
this
the
last
few
months
and
we
work
closely
with
connections.
M
If
there
is
a
new
person
who
comes
in
who
is
homeless,
I
call
their
outreach
people
right
away
and
either
they
come
over
and
talk
to
them
or
we
make
arrangements
for
them
to
go
to
the
dewey
office
of
connections.
M
We
also
are
still
doing
soup
kitchens
every
day,
there's
at
least
one
every
day
in
evanston.
We
do
have
to
hand
the
meals
out
at
the
door
now,
but
we
do
have
plenty
of
meals
for
people.
The
produce
mobile
is
at
james
park
twice
a
month
and
they
are
giving
food
to
250
plus.
M
At
home,
sorry,
sorry
about
that,
it's
my
cuckoo
clock
and
we
are
working
on
getting
the
overnight
emergency.
Shelter
started,
it'll
look
different
than
last
year
because
last
year
we
were
getting
as
many
as
40
or
more
people
each
night,
and
we
probably
will
not
have
a
space
large
enough
for
them,
but
because
many
are
at
the
hotel
or
getting
housed.
We're
hoping
there'll,
be
less
people,
but
we're
working
right
now
to
get
the
commitment
from
the
faith
communities
to
continue
to
host.
A
O
Hi
there
lauren
smith,
I'm
on
the
call
for
patty,
I'm
the
clinical
program
manager
over
at
impact,
so
our
capacity
for
crisis
care
is
definitely
a
little
bit
different
because
we're
just
providing
a
crisis
line
for
those
that
are
already
in
our
program,
so
mostly
those
that
are
connected
to
our
clinical
services
and
in
our
housing
as
well.
O
They
rotate
every
it's
like
a
six
week
rotation
and
they
are
on
call
for
a
week
and
they
take
whatever
calls
come
in
there's,
not
a
huge
amount
that
come
in
a
lot
of
them
are
housing
related
like
facing's,
broken
right
or
something
like
that.
The
mental
health
crisis
calls
are
less,
but
that's
what
we
have
available
definitely
are
looking
to
partner
with
more
local
agencies
and
we're
starting
that
specifically
with
clinical
and
employment
that
we
have
as
well
so
definitely
capacity
and
interest.
A
Right,
thank
you.
Lauren.
Are
there
any
questions
for
lauren
and
then
is
somebody
here
from
north
shore
hospital.
P
P
I
think
I
believe,
there's
three
of
us
I'll
go
first,
you
know
if
you'll
allow
let
the
other
two,
also
chime
in
I'm
ernie
wong,
I'm
the
chief
of
emergency
medicine
at
north
shore,
starting
my
hey,
video
everyone
I
well.
I
got
to
tell
you.
This
has
been
an
unbelievably
educational
session.
P
For
me,
we
only
see
a
slice
of
the
spectrum
of
what
everybody
is
doing
and
I'm
just
so
impressed
with
all
the
work
that
people
do
in
our
community
to
take
care
of
people
in
all
kinds
of
crisis
and
yeah.
P
I've
been
an
emergency
physician
for
20
plus
years,
and
that
has
been
for
20
plus
years
and
betsy
white
is
the
director
of
our
social
work
program,
and
they
are
just
an
amazing
group
of
folks
and
joan
casey
is
the
lead,
ed
nurse
manager
at
evanston
and
also
coordinates
a
tremendous
amount
of
this
care
that
we
provide.
So
I
think
they
have
more
expertise,
certainly
than
I,
but
I
will
say
listening.
P
We
will
do
first
and
foremost,
a
medical
screening
exam
to
make
sure
there's
no
underlying
acute
medical
condition,
and
once
we
have
determined
that
a
an
acute
medical
condition
does
not
exist
or,
and
now
they're
able
to
be
evaluated
from
a
behavioral
psychiatric
standpoint,
then
we
contact
our
colleagues,
our
crisis,
social
workers
and
they
come
and
do
an
evaluation
and
they
discuss
in
conjunction
with
their
psychiatrists.
You
know
the
case
and
try
and
help
us
make
dispositions.
P
I
will
say
that
you
know
we
have
a
tremendous
shortage
of
beds
as
well
and
and
that's
that's
challenging,
I'm
gonna.
Let
betsy
kind
of
talk
about
you
know
those
particular
challenges,
but
from
the
emergency
medicine
standpoint,
boarding
of
behavioral
health
patients
is,
is
truly
a
a
national
crisis
and
we're
seeing
more
and
more
of
it
in
our
emergency
department
with
longer
and
longer
lengths
of
stay,
which
not
only
is
bad
for
the
patients,
but
also
bad
for
our
staff
and
for
other
patients
that
need
emergency
care.
P
If
you
have
a
patient
in
the
emergency
department,
for
you
know
two
days
in
a
room,
you
know
we
can
turn
that
bed
and
treat
you
know.
You
know
many
many
patients
over
during
that
period
of
time,
so
it's
not
the
best
use
of
the
emergency
medicine
bed,
and
so
what
what
I
think,
what
I'm
hearing
is,
there's
so
many
integrated
parts
that
what
has
worked
and
what
I
would
like
to
just
kind
of
put
out.
P
There
is
there's
an
alameda
model
based
out
of
oakland
and
I
think
it's
an
effort
worth
emulating
or
thinking
about,
and
it's
basically
they've
created
us
a
psychiatric
medical
home
in
the
bay
area
with
with
funds,
and
that,
maybe
I'm
sorry,
if
I'm,
if
people
know
about
this
already.
But
what
happened
is
the
the
local
city
government
of
multiple
counties
came
together
and
created
a
psychiatric,
a
dedicated
psychiatric
hospital
with
a
crisis
stabilization
unit?
P
Q
So
I
am
in
fact
yes,
the
manager
for
the
crisis
intervention
services
at
north
shore
for
really
out
of
the
department
of
psychiatry
but
embedded
in
the
emergency
room.
We
also
my
team
also
is
a
bit
of
a.
I
guess:
centralized
intake
for
the
department
of
psychiatry
in
terms
of
our
programming.
So
you
know
all
the
mental
health
programs
and
addiction
programs
that
exist
at
north
shore.
They
were.
Q
Yeah,
so
so,
but
but
the
you
know,
we
also
have
a
a
crisis
hotline
that
runs
24
hours.
It
doesn't
get
a
ton
of
traffic,
I
wouldn't
say
for
whatever
reason,
but
at
any
rate
we're
seeing
those
patients
in
in
the
emergency
room
with
psychiatric
crises.
So
one
of
the
things
that
has
struck
me
in
this
conversation
is
that
you
know
we're
all
defining
crisis
a
little
bit
differently
and,
of
course,
that's
because
of
our
work
and
and
our
our
expertise
and
our
special
specialties
in
our
context.
Q
So
I
do
just
want
to
define
that
my
version
of
a
crisis
in
terms
of
my
team
is
really
exactly
what
dr
once
said,
which
is
that
it's
psychiatric
issues
right.
So
those
patients
who
need
to
be
evaluated
for
level
of
care
within
their
psychiatric
concern
and
also
risk
for
harm
to
themselves.
Others
or
functioning
as
well
and
and
our
team
struggles
a
lot
as,
as
was
mentioned,
to
move
patients.
Q
So
that's
that's,
probably
the
biggest
issue
they're
very,
very
skilled
at
what
they
do
in
terms
of
evaluation,
they're,
very
confident
in
terms
of
that.
But
I
think
that
there
are
so
few
beds
and
the
covid
crisis
has
made
that
worse,
because
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
psychiatric
units
are
an
open
milieu.
So
you
know
those
environments
are
not
particularly
good,
for
you
know
a
pandemic
and
the
things
that
come
with
the
need
for
infection
control
and
that
that
would
be
standard
regardless
of
this
of
the
current
situation.
Q
So
there's
a
lot
of
delays.
There's
delays
related
to
testing,
there's
delays
related
to
you
know.
Our
unit,
for
example,
has
come
down,
their
census
has
dropped
or
their
cap.
I
guess
if
you
will,
has
dropped
because
of
needing
to
have
enough
space
to
keep
people
safe
from
that
from
that
infectious
control
perspective.
Q
So
you
know
it's
it's
it's
a
big
challenge.
I
think
it's
one
that
we
were
already
facing
and
you
know
you
could
look
at
it
from
any
point
in
the
continuum
for
of
the
crisis
for
the
patient,
I
mean
we're,
certainly
speaking
to
prevention
and
that's
a
big
part
of
this,
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
at
all
the
stages.
Q
So
whether
that's
you
know
having
de-escalation
out
in
the
community
so
that
patients
have
a
place,
your
clients
have
a
place
to
go
before
this
really
gets
so
acute
or
or
it's
having
someone
move
out
of
that
crisis.
Q
You
know
a
first
responder
that
sort
of
thing
so
that
those
patients
or
so
people
don't
become
patient,
so
they
don't
have
to
come
into
the
emergency
room
and
then,
of
course,
once
they're
there
there's
things
that
that
would
be
really
helpful
to
move
things
along,
like
you
know
the
model
that
that
was
just
mentioned,
the
stabilization
and
so
forth.
So
I
you
know
it's
multi-layered,
it's
there's
so
much
that
could
happen,
and
I
think,
being
at
the
table
is,
is
really
is
a
good
thing
for
us.
Q
A
My
colleagues
have
any
questions
while
we're
having
questions:
okay,
nope,
okay,
I
guess
I
have
one
question
and
I
don't
know
exactly
when
I
think
about
sort
of
some
of
some
types
of
emergencies
that
come
to
national
hospital.
Those
are
for
intoxication
and
I'm
thinking,
particularly
when
we
have
some
northwestern
students
who
get
a
little
carried
away,
and
so
what?
What
do
you
deal
with
substance,
abuse
and
those
kinds
of
things
as
well?.
P
P
Everybody
has
a
slice
of
that
pie
too,
and
so
it
makes
it
doubly
hard
because
then
you're
having
someone
who's,
you
know
acutely
intoxicated
who
might
be
suicidal
and
then
you
know
you
have
to
wash
them
until
they're
sober
and
then
able
to
be
evaluated.
And
you
know
in
that
time
it
could
be
anywhere
between
eight
and
ten
hours.
And
after
that
you
know,
depending
on
what
the
situation
is,
they
they
can
either
be
okay
to
go.
P
P
You
know
I
walk
in
in
the
morning
to
any
of
our
north
shore
ideas
and
look
and
see
kind
of
who's
there,
and
I
think
evanston
carries
this
burden
more
than
say
highland
park
and
skokie
and
glenbrook,
but
there
will
be
sometimes
half
of
the
ed
is
a
psychiatric
evaluation.
Q
Yeah
yeah,
that's
that's
right
and
I
I
think
that
that
is
happening
partially
because
I
can
say
from
the
from
our
perspective
volumes
at
evanston
and
that's,
I
think
happening
because
we
have
a
unit
at
evanston
and
so
a
lot
of
people
are
self
selecting
to
that
emergency
room.
Thinking
that
that
you
know
is
the
path
of
least
resistance.
Q
Perhaps
I'm
not
sure,
but
also
I
I
think
you
know
evanston
is
it's
it's
a
city
or
you
know
that
is
complex
and
and
has
there's
a
child
in
the
next,
but
I
think
I
see
a
dog
and
a
cat,
so
I
think
it's
okay,
so
I
think
you
know
it's
a
different
population
of
people
that
we're
serving,
which
is
you
know,
really
wonderful
and
with
adversity
comes.
You
know
a
lot
of
complex
mental
issues.
R
Q
Do
think
we're
busy
and
and
there's
a
you
know,
a
breadth
of
circumstances
that
people
bring
with
them
that
are
challenging,
and
but
I
also
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
resources
actually
compared
to
some
of
our
other
environments,
and
so
that's
really
lovely
too
yeah
in
terms
of
our
work
to
set
people
up
and
refer
people.
P
Right,
you
know
I
will
just
I'm
sorry
to
I'll
just
add
another
comment,
and
this
is
one
where
I've
seen
over
the
years
and
at
the
beginning
we
talked
about.
Is
there
a
better
way
to
potentially
intervene
in
the
field?
You
know
we
see.
Patients
come
in
all
the
time
with
evanston
police,
because
they're,
intoxicated
or
it's
substance
abuse
primarily
or
it's
a
behavioral
problem
not
acutely
psychiatric,
and
we
know
that
they
probably
don't
meet
the
requirements
for
admission
or
you.
H
P
Or
don't
need
that,
but
there's
no
place
for
our
police
to
take
them
in
that
moment,
and
it
is
it
is,
you
know
it,
I
feel
for
them
in
a
way
that
it's
truly,
you
know
they're
in
a
no-win
situation,
and
so
I
get
everything
that's
going
on.
I
think
we
have
to
obviously
be
sensitive
to
that,
but
you
know
I
I
see
that
as
a
part
of
the
you
know
they
can't
win
in
that
situation,
so
we
have
to
help
each
other
out.
S
S
My
name
is
joe
case,
I'm
the
clinical
nurse
manager
of
the
emergency
department
at
evanston
and
it's
so
nice
to
meet
with
all
of
you,
and
I
really
appreciate
what
betsy
and
dr
wong
have
been
saying
about
meeting
the
needs
of
the
mental
health
patients
and
it's
nice
to
see
my
advocates
kelly
and
ariel
sleep
with
them
and
people
from
connection
for
the
homeless
in
the
y.
S
The
only
other
point
I'd
want
to
make
is
that
a
fair
amount
of
patients
that
we
see
not
so
much
in
the
summer
but
throughout
the
year
in
the
colder
months,
are
the
patients
who
have
medical
needs
that
they
are
seeking
assistance
with
throughout
the
community,
not
just
the
mental
health
and
behavioral
health,
but
truly
medical
needs,
and
especially
talking
to
the
people.
Listening
to
the
program
about
the
faith
council,
we
rely
on
those
resources.
A
lot
I
mean
we
use
our
medical
partners
at
the
erie
clinic.
S
We
use
people
and
interface
so
that
we
can
give
people
resources
for
shelter
where
they
can
go
into
kitchens
and
resources
they
have.
The
one
issue
we
do
run
into
is
that
many
of
these
shelters
close
up
or
fill
up
by
six
o'clock
or
seven
o'clock
at
night
and
when
the
winter
months
get
cold
patients
that
come
to
us.
S
If
we
don't
discharge
by,
then
we
really
have
nowhere
that
we
can
send
them
to,
and
you
know
the
resource
I
think
we're
sometimes
directed
to
is
to
send
any
of
these
people
to
the
rogers
park
police
station,
and
then
I
believe
they
get
above
the
pacific
garden's
mission
and
for
many
of
the
people
that
are
local.
A
R
Sure
I'm
trying
to
start
my
video
here,
so
I
I'll
talk
about
the
video,
then
so
good
evening.
Everyone
and
thank
you
so
much
for
inviting
us
to
participate
substance,
abuse
crises
both
can
stand
out
on
their
own
as
well
as
be
immersed
in
other
kinds
of
crises.
You
know
and
be
a
contributing
factor,
and
so
I
really
appreciate
what
dr
wong
was
saying
about
the
emergency
department.
R
You
know
the
most
common
kinds
of
substance,
use
substance,
use
problems,
crises
that
appear
on
their
own
tend
to
be
a
drug
overdose,
and
we
have
seen
drug
overdoses
skyrocketing
in
the
last
four
months
during
the
pandemic,
even
here
in
in
evanston
and
then
acute
intoxication
from
alcohol,
which
also,
I
agree
with
dr
wong
happens
across
the
lifespan
and
certainly
college
students
in
evanston
contribute
to
that
for
sure.
R
But
the
we
do
a
lot
of
work
with
people,
I
would
say
both
immediately
post
crisis
and
then
as
they're
trying
to
work
their
path
forward.
R
And
so,
since
that's
the
topic
tonight,
I
wanted
to
to
say
that
you
know
we
have
been
serving
the
community
in
evanston
for
45
years
and
we
do
a
lot
of
crisis
phone
work.
People
may
get
into
a
crisis
related
to
their
substitutes
because
they
were
in
the
hospital
or
because
they've
gotten
arrested
or
because
people
in
their
family
are
saying
like
we
can't
take
it
anymore.
R
Right
and,
and
one
of
the
dynamics
of
this
of
substance
use
disorder
is
that
people's
denial
about
what's
happening
is
part
of
the
problem,
and
it's
actually
what's
happening
in
their
brain,
and
it's
not
to
say
that
you
know
people
don't
make
choices,
but
that
is
that
denial
is
really
very
loud
and
it
for
them,
and
so
you
know,
I
think,
that's
why
sometimes
getting
arrested
for
a
dui
or
some
other
intervention
at
work
or
school
you
know
can
be
helpful
to
people
to
understand
what's
needed.
R
I
think
what
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
do
is
reach
effectively
serve
people
in
crisis,
but
also
reach
out
to
people
when
the
crisis
hasn't
quite
peaked.
Yet
right
when
there's
awareness
that
there's
a
problem,
maybe
in
the
family
or
in
the
community,
but
it
hasn't
escalated
to
the
point
where
the
police
need
to
be
involved
and
betty
and
kristen
and
other
people
talked
about
the
importance
of
that,
and
that
is
a
is
something
that's
really
quite
compelling
to
us
about.
R
Half
of
our
clients
come
to
us
because
they're
required
to
by
someone
else,
and
we
are
happy
to
work
with
them,
but
it's
painful
to
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
suffering
that
we
aren't
reaching
and
one
example
I'll
give
is
this
year
with
since
march,
since
schools
shut
down
in
march
that
a
lot
of
that
early
identification,
work
that
gets
done
in
schools,
whether
it's
about
substance,
abuse
or
mental
illness
or
child
abuse
is
not
happening.
R
R
So
all
that
is
to
say
that
there
are
a
lot
of
different
sort
of.
I
guess
situations
that
people
find
themselves
in
in
crisis,
and
I
think
that
my
my
top
recommendation-
you
know,
as
you
all
are
be
thinking
like
how
to
balance
out
crisis
intervention
in
crisis
management
in
evanston
is
that
we
need
the
good
work
that's
done
in
the
immediate,
but
there
also
needs
to
be
a
really
sustained
follow-up
of
some
kind.
You
know
and
whether
that's
done
by
non-profits
or
whether
that's
done
by
the
city.
R
You
know
what
we
find
is
that
people
will
find
themselves
in
a
crisis,
and
there
is
a
real
moment,
often
for
them,
for
people
in
crisis,
where
they
are
willing
to
consider
their
situation
differently
and
maybe
take
some
steps
they
haven't
taken
before.
But
then
they
go
back
into
their
life
right.
And
so
then
all
these
forces
are
kind
of
competing
against
each
other,
and
that's
true.
R
Even
if
a
person
has
a
home
and
a
job
and
food
on
the
table
right,
let
alone
if
they
have
the
other
kinds
of
crises
of
homelessness
and
poverty.
That
some
of
our
other
colleagues
have
been
talking
about.
R
We
have
a
had
a
pilot
project
last
year
with
saint
francis
hospital,
where
we
did
in
reach
into
the
emergency
department,
and
it
was.
We
were
able
to
get
a
small
brand
from
the
ediston
community
foundation
that
allowed
us
to
do
this
project,
and
we
learned
a
lot
together
about
that
and
about
what
people
were
willing
to
accept,
and
that
is
that
we
know
that
that
moment
in
the
emergency
department
is
really
just
a
moment.
R
You
know,
and
so
the
ability
to
follow
people
over
time,
I
think,
is
what
will
create
some
of
the
outcomes
that
we're
looking
for
really
across
the
board,
and
I
want
to
echo
what
my
colleagues
have
have
said
about
the
strong
partnerships
in
evanston
between
the
city
and
the
human
service
agencies,
incredibly
valuable
to
us
as
well.
R
We
rely
on
each
other
all
the
time
and
if
there
was
a
way
for
us
to
consolidate
and
coordinate
that
work,
whether
it's
through,
like
the
alameda
model
that
dr
wong
talked
about
or
some
other
form
of
kind
of
integration
across
systems
I
feel
like,
then
you
would
all
get
you'd
have
more
of
a
receiving
net
for
for
people,
regardless
of
what
the
different
factors
are
in
their
crisis
and
less
of
this
kind
of
fragmentation
you
know,
like
kind
of
who
belongs
where.
B
Fisk
yeah,
yes,
yeah
thanks.
I
I
guess
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
the
role
that
the
evanston
police
department
plays
in
in
this
and
your
relationship
with
them
and
how
you
think
we
might
improve
that.
If,
if
improvement
is
the
right
word,
but
how
we
might
make
that
a
better
relationship.
R
So
that's
a
really
interesting
question.
First
of
all,
I'll
say
that
we
occasionally
need
to
rely
on
the
police
in
our
facility
and
we're
very
grateful
for
their
professionalism
and
willing
to
help
us
because
every
once
in
a
while,
as
betty
said
things
escalate,
you
know
beyond
what
we
can
manage
and
we're
very
appreciative
of
that.
R
You
know
it's
interesting
when
I
I
think,
most
of
the
time
when
we've
had
interaction
with
the
police
around
a
substance
use
crisis,
it's
been
a
drug
overdose
in
the
community
and
we've
appreciated
the
rapid
response.
And
then
you
know
we
don't
really
see
the
police
after
that,
because
they're
involved
in
getting
the
person
to
the
hospital
or
maybe
with
fire
and
ambulance,
getting
them
to
the
hospital.
N
A
Well,
thank
you.
So
we
have
one
more
person,
I
think
in
our
room
here
to
hear
from
kristen
canard
from
the
moran
center.
A
H
A
Nearly
yes,
okay,
okay,
good.
N
N
Pretty
much
so
I
I
want
to
start
with
kind
of
talking
through
like
many
of
the
agencies
here,
the
marian
center,
I'm
the
deputy
director
and
the
director
of
social
work
services
at
the
moran
center,
and
we
don't
respond
to
emergencies
and
crises
at
a
a
wider
level
like
throughout
all
residents
in
evanston,
but
with
our
participants
in
our
program
and
so
there's
a
couple
different
ways
that
we
that
we
do
that.
N
The
first
is
somewhat
of
a
preemptive
and
prevention
in
regards
to
a
lot
of
our
clients
are
have
mental
health
issues.
Substance
use
issues
have
experienced
severe
trauma,
and
so
those
who
have
severe
mental
health
issues
that
can
oftentimes
result
in
psychotic
episodes
or
substance
use,
induced
psychotic
episodes
and
whatnot.
We
try
to
work
with
those
individuals
and
their
families
if
it's
a
minor
with
their
guardian,
but
if
it's
an
adult
wow,
they
are
in
a
stable
position
to
fill
out
the
premise
alert
through
evanston
police
department
and
what
that
does.
N
Is
it
if
somebody
does
end
up
calling
the
police
or
calling
9-1-1
on
this
individual,
their
name
and
their
address,
and
a
slight
description
of
what
might
be
going
on,
say
that
they're
diagnosed
with
paranoid
schizophrenia,
or
so
that
the
police
have
some
type
of
background
when
they're,
showing
up
and
so
one
the
appropriate
and
more
well-trained
officers
can
respond,
but
also
ambulance
as
well
as
if
it
is
somebody
that
has
family
members
around.
That
person
will
also
be
listed
so
that
they
can
be
there
as
an
advocate.
N
But
we
are.
The
social
workers
at
the
moran
center
can
also
be
listed
on.
Those
and
evanston
police
department
and
or
fire
department
will
often
reach
out
to
our
social
workers.
N
Then,
if
they
do
get
a
call
or
the
family
member
will
reach
out
to
us-
and
we
also
try
to
if
we
are
able
to
arrive
on
scene,
to
help
with
that,
to
make
sure
that
that
person,
if
possible,
is
brought
to
an
emergency
room
rather
than
being
arrested,
because
people
don't
necessarily
know,
what's
going
on
and
they're,
not
able
to
verbalize
that.
N
So
we
try
to
get
those
in
place
where
it's
appropriate
beforehand,
that
we
can
navigate
that
system
and
hopefully
avoid
an
arrest
in
a
criminal
justice
system,
involvement
or
mental
health
issues.
The
other
way
that
we,
which
is
primarily
what
we
do
is
all
of
our
clients,
have
a
relationship
with
a
social
worker.
At
our
office.
We
have
three
social
workers
on
our
team.
N
Two
of
us
are
licensed
clinical
social
workers
and
our
other
one
is
master's
level
social
worker
working
towards
her
licensure,
and
so
we
have
relationships
with
and
all
of
our
legal
clients
have
access
to
the
social
work
team,
and
so
we
from
the
very
beginning
when
we
start
working
with
our
clients,
safety
plan,
around
crisis
and
emergencies,
and
what
to
do?
N
And
if
something
comes
up,
what
can
you
do
and
where
can
you
go
so
we,
as
social
workers,
respond
to
a
lot
of
crises
where
families
won't
call
the
police,
but
they'll
call
us,
as
so
as
their
social
worker,
and
we
have
the
advantage
of
having
a
pre-existing
relationship
with
these
people
and
their
families,
and
so
that
helps
us
to
be
able
to
assess
one
knowing
what
we
know
about
the
family
and
about
the
individual,
but
also
in
de-escalation
and
anything
else.
N
We
might
need
to
do
based
on
whatever
the
situation
might
be,
and
so
we
get
calls
our
social
work
teams.
We
each
have
our
individual
clients,
they'll
call
their
individual
social
worker
if
there's
some
type
of
mental
health
emergency.
If
things
are
escalating
in
the
home,
if
there's
a
domestic
issue-
substance
use
issue-
I
mean
you
name,
it
we've
probably
heard
it
in
those
calls,
and
so
what
we
do
when
we
get
those
calls,
we
assess
the
situation
and
figure
out.
When
is
it
something
that
we
can
a
lot
of
times?
N
We
can
navigate
it
on
the
phone
and
we're
able
to
de-escalate
talk
them
down,
say
I
can
be
there
in
an
hour.
We
can
go
for
a
walk.
You
know
whatever
that
might
might
be.
There's
obviously
some
situations
that
we
cannot,
but
at
that
point
then
we
already
have
some
information
and
if
we
need
to
call
the
police,
because
there
is
imminent
danger-
then
we're
able
to
make
those
calls
and
give
that
information.
N
I've
worked
there
for
11
years
and
have
only
had
to
call
the
police.
I
can
count
it
on
my
one
hand
and
so
that
existing
relationship,
pre-existing
relationship
really
helps
with
that,
and
we
we
also
respond
in
person.
If
we're
at
the
office
in
evanston
around
you
know,
we
will
go
to
the
family
home.
We
will
go
to
wherever
it
is
that
this
might
be
happening
once
we
assess
the
situation
and
can
respond
in
person
as
well,
and
so
that's
for
all
of
our
existing
clients
who
are
in.
N
We
have
multiple
different
programs.
We
obviously
have
our
criminal
representation,
so
the
individuals
who
have
had
contact
with
the
police,
but
we
also
have
our
education
advocacy
program.
We
have
our
school-based
civil
legal
clinic
and
so
that
that
applies
to
all
of
those
programs.
N
Another
thing
that
is
good
for
you
all
to
know
and
and
perhaps
to
epd
with
this
is
there
are
a
lot
of
officers
that
that
we
know
and
officers
that
know
certain
clients
that
work
with
us,
and
so,
if
they
encounter
somebody
on
the
street
or
they
get
a
call
and
there's
something
going
on,
and
they
know
that
we're
involved
certain
officers,
they'll
reach
out
to
us
and
say
hey,
you
know,
we
know
that
they'll
respond
to
you.
Can
you
come
what's
going
on
and
I'm
able
to
go?
N
Hopefully,
it's
still
on
the
street,
but
if
they're
at
you
know
the
police
department
go
in
and
de-escalate
things
and
try
to
calm
them
down
and
clients
usually
respond
better
to
that
too,
as
well
as
if
clients
interact
with
the
police
or
they
get
the
police
called
on
them.
Usually
the
first
phone
call.
So
it's
you
know
this
is
what's
going
on
and
trying
to
calm
them
down
on
the
phone
so
that
they
will
react
better
to
the
police,
because
we
know,
if
you
know,
people
show
up
and
everybody's
escalated.
It's
most
likely.
N
You
know
more
difficult
to
calm
things
down
and
so
even
just
being
on
the
phone
with
them.
Sometimes
when
they're
interacting
with
police
officers,
it
is
helpful
to
kind
of
keep
this
information
or
to
get
the
situation
de-escalated.
N
So
those
are
the
main
ways
that
we
we
really
work
with
crisis
and
and
emergency
response
again
within
our
clients,
but
it
also
you
know
in
in
thinking
through
all
of
this.
I
I
appreciate
all
the
time
everyone's
putting
into
all
of
this,
because
we
do
have
so
many
resources
within
evanston,
but
I've
listened
to
the
the
last
couple
meetings
and
whatnot
and
there's
a
couple
things.
I
think,
obviously
we're
not
necessarily
we're
not
the
experts
in
this
area.
There
are
a
ton
of
models
out
there.
N
There
are
a
lot
of
different
things
that
can
be
done,
but
in
my
experience
at
the
moran
center
and
working
with
the
population
that
we
work
with
and
whatnot,
I
would
just
really
encourage
people
to
think
about,
because
I
hear
this
thrown
out
there
a
lot
to
really
think
through
pairing,
just
pairing,
a
mental
health,
professional
and
or
ems
with
police
officers.
On
a
call,
because
I
think
that's
still.
N
I
think
we
have
to
think
through
that
a
little
bit
more
because
that
still
doesn't
necessarily
garner
the
trust
that
some
of
the
community
needs
and
is
looking
for,
if
you're
still
having
an
armed
individual
show
up
to
something
that
that
may
not,
it
may
not
be
necessary
for,
and
it
also
can
then
seem
like
the
mental
health.
Professional
is
just
an
extension
or
an
arm
of
law
enforcement,
which
can
also
make
it
more
difficult
for
a
mental
health
professional
than
in
that
capacity
to
do
their
job
in
trying
to
de-escalate.
N
So
I
think
we
have
to
think
through
that
and
the
other
thing
that
I've
heard
a
lot
of
that
I'd
just
like
to
push
back
on
a
little
bit
or
or
encourage
you
guys
to
think
about.
Is
there
are
a
lot.
As
many
people
have
said,
there
are
a
ton
of
mental
health
professionals
that
absolutely
it's
not
their
job.
N
It's
not
what
they've
been
trained
to
do,
to
go
out
on
the
front
line
and
respond
to
crises
or
situations
that
could
escalate
a
hundred
percent,
but
there
are
also
many
mental
health
professionals
that
have
gone
into
the
field,
to
do
just
that
and
to
respond
to
those
situations
and
those
individuals,
I
think,
have
a
unique
ability
to
de-escalate
and
to
work
through
situations
so
that
the
criminal
justice
system
and
whatnot
does
not
have
to
be
involved.
So
I
think
really
thinking
through
you
know
what
that
looks
like
and
getting
input
from.
N
You
know
mental
health
professionals
that
that
are
out
on
the
line
and
going
into
situations
like
that
on
a
daily
basis
is
really
important,
and
I
would
say
the
last
thing
that
I
would
say
is:
I
think
it's
important
to
think
about,
and
this
goes
to
a
little
bit,
alderman
and
fisk.
What
you
were
I
think,
trying
to
get
at
in
regards
to
like
how
do
you
assess
what
does
the
assessment
look
like
on
the
phone,
and
things
like
that?
N
I
think
another
thing
to
think
about
as
we
move
forward
and
try
to
come
up
with
a
plan
would
be
to
think
about
what
dispatch
looks
like
and
and
when
these
calls
are
coming
in
right
now
they
all
go
through
9-1-1.
But
if
we
were,
you
know
if
we
come
up
with
an
alternative
dissolution,
what
those
individuals
are
are
trained
in
and
what
it
could
look
like.
N
If
those
individuals
are
mental
health
professionals
or
trained
in
a
way
that
they
could
assess
those
situations
and
then
figure
out,
is
it
an
armed
officer
that
I'm
sending
out
there
or
is
it
something
else
that
we're
able
to
come
up
with
from
the
very
beginning
and
again,
I
think
whether
it's
social
workers
counselors
whatever
that
looks
like
that
mental
health
professional,
has
that
unique
ability
to
do
assessments
and,
as
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
over
the
phone
that
can
happen
so
just
another.
A
Right,
thank
you,
hey
questions
from
my
colleagues,
okay.
Well,
we
really
appreciate
all
the
wonderful
input
that
we've
heard
from
all
of
you
and
just
the
amazing
work
that
you
all
are
doing
day
by
day
out
in
our
community
for
us
and
for
our
residents
who
are
experiencing
crises.
It's
it's
really
impressive
to
know
what
kind
of
resources
we
have
and
it's
our
job
to
try
to
rethink
how
we
might
put
some
of
all
this
together.
B
Yeah,
so
I
guess
what
I'm
I'm
coming
away
with
is
that
we
need
a
quarterback
and
we
need
money.
It
sounds
like
they're
I
mean
we've
got
the
the
resources,
the
the
personnel
that's
out.
There
is
just
incredible,
I'm
incredible.
I
think
this
is
the
best
human
services
meeting
we've
ever
had
at
least
I've
learned
a
lot.
So
thank
you
all
for
for
being
there,
it's
it's
a
complicated
situation.
B
Obviously
we
have
to
deal
with
it
and
like
everything
else,
this
is
at
the
core
of
what
our
community
is
providing
these
services
to
folks
in
need,
so
any
if
anyone
wants
to
volunteer
to
be
the
quarterback,
that's
great,
but
that's
our
job,
to
figure
to
figure
that
out
again
as
a
committee,
I
I
think
this
has
just
been
incredibly
helpful.
B
Probably
this
conversation
is
overdue,
and
so
we
look
at
at
this,
as
you
know,
as
the
glass
half
full,
because
now
we're
now
we're
dealing
with
with
the
issues
that
we
probably
should
have
been
talking
about
for
a
long
time.
So
again.
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
been
really
helpful
to
me
and
I
appreciate
it
right.
A
A
You
know
direct
the
right
resources
to
the
right
person
or
to
the
right
anyway,
the
right
people,
so
I
was
going
to
have
a
segue
to
thinking
of
taking
another
look
at
the
the
compilation
of
9-1-1
calls
that
we
received
from
the
police
department
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
to
see
what
kind
of
questions
and
further
analyses
we
might
want.
But
but
alderman
fleming
I'd
be
happy
to
hear
what
your,
what
you
have
to
say.
First.
G
G
So
yes,
I
for
the
dispatch
piece.
I
do
think
that
that's
important
to
maybe
have
just
a
memo
or
something
to
talk
about
the
training
that
our
dispatch
does
have,
because
if
you
have
someone
who's,
calling
and
screaming
on
the
phone
and
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
trying
to
assess
what
the
person
needs,
particularly
like
kristin
mentioned,
if
people
aren't
able
to
maybe
vocalize
what
that
is
based
on
whatever
state
we're
in
so
I
definitely.
I
definitely
would
like
that.
G
You
know
maybe
at
the
next
meeting
I
don't
think
I
need
a
presentation,
but
maybe
just
a
memo
about
the
training.
The
dispatch
has
another
thing
that
I
again
for
the
next
meeting.
I
had
spent
some
time
kind
of
speaking
in
the
community
or
asking
around
in
the
community
about
amita
who
we
had
last
week.
You
know
me
that
talked
about
the
services
they
provide
at
the
hospital
and
the
the
library,
and
I
have
to
say
I
knew
there
was
a
social
work
in
the
library.
G
I
don't
think
I
knew
the
hospital
24-hour
thing,
however,
and
asking
some
people.
I
think
I
have
some
concerns
about
just
kind
of
what
the
service
is.
G
I
think
at
least
the
folks
I
asked
it
does
not
sound
like
it's,
maybe
well
known
or
well
used,
so
I
would
be.
I
would
like
if
he
can
give
us
again,
maybe
just
a
memo
on
the
numbers.
I
didn't
look
at
the
contract
from
media,
but
I'm
unsure
how
many
people
they're
actually
serving
what
the
extent
of
that
service
is.
That
was
about
145
000
that
we
are
providing.
G
I
think,
for
you,
know
the
24-hour
service
in
the
library
service
and
so
I'd
be
interested
in
looking
at
that,
as
we
as
ottoman
fists
talked
about,
you
know,
we
need
money
right
and
so
part
of
the
deep
funding
conversation
is
looking
at
the
police
budget
and
seeing
how
we
can
reallocate
it.
G
So
I
think
in
my
mind,
that's
kind
of
where
the
funding
is
coming
from,
but
I
would
also
be
interested
in
looking
at
the
amita
piece
as
it
is,
you
know,
kind
of
in
in
that
wheelhouse
of
some
kind
of
crisis
service
to
make
sure
we're
doing
the
best
thing.
With
that.
The
other
question
that
I
had
or
thought
I
guess
that
I
had
is
that
coordination
of
care
piece
that
maureen
spoke
about
so
definitely
judy
you're
right.
We
have
so
many
different
services
in
the
town.
G
It
would
be
great
to
have
more
coordination
of
care.
I
think
some
of
these
agencies
are
more
well-known
than
others,
some
of
the
services
and
how
you
access
them
are
well
more
well-known
than
others,
and
while
that's
not
our
job
as
a
council,
I
would
love
for
maybe
sarah
flax
to
kind
of
think
through
when
we're
funding
through
cdbg
and
mental
health
board.
G
If
we
are
funding
kind
of
thinking
through
that
coordination
of
care
and
what's
overlapping
and
where
the
gaps
are,
so
we
can
make
sure
with
the
limited
money
that
we're
giving
away
or
that
we're
putting
into
the
community
that
we're
really
meeting
the
needs
of
the
community,
and
so
we're
really
looking
at
where
we
might
have
some
gaps
that
we
can
help
feel,
particularly
as
non-profits
are
in
this
place,
where
they're
fighting
over
funding
from
you
know,
state
and
federal
sources.
G
So
you
know
that's
not
necessary
for
this
committee
to
look
at
at
this
very
moment,
but
I
do
think
it
is
really
thinking
through
how
we
use
the
limited
funds.
We
have
to
make
sure
they
are
getting
exactly
to
the
right
agencies
in
that
coordination
of
care
models.
So
many
people
we
do
know
cycle
through
time,
one
in
the
hospital
in
a
variety
of
places,
without
getting
situated
and
then
kind
of
ottoman
fish.
You
had
a
comment:
do
you
want
to
go,
or
do
you
want
to
finish?
G
Okay?
So
if
I
think
back
again
to
the
kind
of
this
defining
a
reallocation
or
whatever
word,
people
want
to
call
talk
about
it,
I
would
like
us
to
look
at
where
the
sorry
I
wrote
some
notes
here,
look
at
where
the
police
department-
I
know
I
imagine
they
won't
think
this,
but
where
they're
overstaffed.
So
where
do
we
have?
I
know
we
had
that
hillard
heinz
report
at
some
point
and
there
was
some
changing
of
staffing,
but
where
do
we
have?
You
know
maybe
more
officers
that
the
need
is
decreed.
G
So
if
we
think
about
you
know
our
pst
officers,
I
think
we
all
think
that
those
are
very
valuable
they're
out
in
the
community
they're
doing
probably
more
of
this
work
that
we're
talking
about.
In
terms
of
these,
you
know
responses
to
neighbor
disputes
and
all
these
things
that
maybe
aren't
really
911
or
police.
You
know
response
calls,
but
there
are
a
few
different
things
right.
So
we
have
our
special
courses,
so
we
have
our
our
tac
and
our
net
department.
G
So
I'm
interested
to
see
you
know
how
how
much
we're
using
those
and
utilizing
those
folks
in
the
skilled
area
of
which
we
have
them.
So
I
think
one
dug
some
things
and
want
some
other
things,
but
I
would
love
to
kind
of
get
some
more
numbers
as
to
you
know,
are
those
really
needs
of
our
community
anymore.
I
imagine
when
those
were
developed.
Maybe
we
had
a
different
need.
I
don't
know,
particularly
with
the
legalization
of
marijuana.
Do
we
need
an
entire
kind
of
unit
focused
more
on
drug
things
or
is?
G
Are
those
calls
decreasing?
I
think
that
is
a
potential
place
for
us
to
look.
If
we're
looking
at
reallocation
of
funding,
I
would
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more.
The
same
thing
for
the
I
think
it's
called
tech
department
or
you
come
unit
special
unit
again.
These
are
bigger
and
harder
choices,
but
I
think
you
know
we're
going
into
we're
in
a
deficit
we
wanted
to
a
year
we're
going
to
expect
the
deficit.
G
We
don't
know
what
the
numbers
from
hope
are
going
to
be
into
the
next
year,
how
it's
really
going
to
impact
our
budget.
But
if
we're
looking
at
getting
the
right
resources
to
people
in
the
community,
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
shifting
some
money
around,
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
places
to
do
that
and
then,
lastly,
I'll
just
I
had
some
thoughts
that
I
didn't
I'll
go
ahead
and
automate
this,
because
I
can
wrap.
I
can
okay.
G
I
had
some
thoughts
that
I
think
I
didn't
really
get
to
articulate
articulate
well
last
time,
so
I
tried
to
write
them
down
so
people
you
know
nationwide
have
been
calling
for
defunding
whether
or
not
we
we
answer
that
call
and
the
way
that
people
think
we
should.
I
think
for
me,
it's
important
to
acknowledge.
You
know
I
mean
just
the
history
of
policing
was
as
slave
catchers
and
while
that
is
illegal,
now
we
don't
operate
under
that
model.
That
is
how
we
ended
up
with
current
date
policing.
G
So
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
for
a
long
time
you
know,
probably
our
african-american
community
has
felt
the
brunt
of
our
policing,
and
we
see
that
now
with
you
know
all
the
kind
of
nationwide
uproar.
We
see
that
in
our
the
numbers,
whose
most
talk
about
car
stops
and
all
those
things
they're
very
heavy
for
african-american
communities.
G
I
think
we
just
need
to
acknowledge
that
policing
as
as
a
whole,
thankfully,
we
haven't
seen
the
such
aggressiveness
that
we've
seen
in
different
different
places,
but
it
was
really
to
get
you
know,
control
and
punish
african-americans.
So
as
we
think
about
those
racists,
I
think
that.
G
Hearing
and
acknowledging
what's
happening
in
parts
of
our
community,
so
while
we're
not
at
the
point
of
abolition,
which
would
be
a
total
revamp
and
get
rid
of
policing
and
all
those
things
we
are
talking
about
reallocation,
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
really
think
about
policing
practices
and
this
this
piece
that
we're
talking
about
now
is
not
going
to
overhaul
all
of
policing
and
and
people
have
mixed
reviews,
and
we
even
need
to
do
that.
So
we
still
will
have
some
policing.
G
We
still
wouldn't
be
very
diligent
on
our
policing
and
who's
policed
and
how
they're
policed
and
all
those
kind
of
things,
particularly
as
we
look
at
the
rise
and
electronic
surveillance
and
what
that
means
for
people.
But
this
is
one
step
we
can
take,
and
I
you
know,
I'm
thankful
that
we're
starting
these
conversations
and
starting
to
get
this
place
before
the
end
of
the
year.
G
But
this
is
one
step
we
can
take
that
to
kind
of
change
the
impact
and,
as
kristin
mentioned,
you
know,
folks
are
calling
her
and
probably
other
people
in
the
community
we
haven't
heard
from
who
just
aren't
even
comfortable
calling
the
police
for
that
interacts.
That
initial
interaction-
and
I
think,
that's
important-
that
we
hear
that
and
we
honor
that
as
we're
making
these
decisions,
so
you
know
I
I
would
like.
G
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
do
it
now,
which
our
thought
is
odd
memory
available
for
us
to
really
think
through
how
we're
going
to
formulate
something
new.
So
you
know
all
of
these
agencies
do
really
great
work.
I
think
they
all
have
said
they
don't
have
the
capacity
at
this
point
to
become
a
911
response.
Some
have
even
said
the.
Why
said
that
they?
That
is
not
what
they
do.
I
am,
as
I
said
earlier,
not
really
comfortable
kind
of
outsourcing,
our
911
response
to
other
agencies.
G
I
think
christian's
points
in
terms
of
you
know,
kind
of
merging
another
agency
or
having
an
mou
with
another
agency
to
represent
evanston
has
a
lot
of
dynamics
that
we
probably
don't
know
about
from
our
seats
and
the
911
response
is
really
vital
and
I
hate
for
that
and
all
of
our
good
intentions
to
get
lost,
because
because
our
911
dispatch
doesn't
gel
with
right,
you
know
whatever,
whatever
things
might
happen,
that
we
don't
know
about
and
all
of
our
good
intentions.
G
So
I
would
really
love-
and
I
propose
for
us
to
think
through
this
kind
of
new
911
response
to
come
out
of
our
health
department
so
similar
to
our
victim
services.
But
actually,
you
know
trained
to
do
more
than
what
victim
services
does
our
health
department.
I
looked
at
the
org
charts
from
years
past
when
it
was
big
and
thriving
and
had
lots
more
services.
I
think
it
has
capacity
with
you
know
the
right,
staffing
and
management.
G
Well,
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
think,
maybe
we'll
look
at
that,
but
I
don't
I
don't
know
in
terms
of
the
9-1-1
dispatch.
I
mean
in
terms
of
this
response,
so
I
looked
at
a
model
that
I
can
share
with
you
guys
and
they
had
kind
of
a
crisis
response
team.
They
worked
in
the
911,
so
a
little
bit
like
a
house,
but
they
didn't
work
in
a
separate
health
department
that
they
worked
in
a
kind
of
city
health
department.
G
G
So,
as
kristin
mentioned,
I
think
you
know
we
have
to
be
really
mindful
as
well
having
the
right
staff
but
then
having
them
to
be
able
to
respond
without
the
police,
because
if
we're
talking
about
people
who
are
in
a
variety
of
states
of
you
know
mental
and
emotional
health,
you
know
physical
abuse
and
we
don't
know
what
their
you
know.
History
is
per
se.
G
If
our
911
dispatch
is
able
to
say
hey,
we
need
a
crisis
intervention
person
here
that
person
can
go
on
scene
and
assess
and
if
they
decide
okay,
we
need
a
fireman.
We
need
a
paramedic,
you
know
whatever
they
might
need,
they
can
call
for
that,
but
I
think
having
the
right
staff
to
be
able
to
respond
out
of
the
health
and
human
services,
because
we
are
providing
a
service
to
our.
G
You
know
in
that,
in
that
model
to
me
makes
a
lot
of
sense
versus
kind
of
this
outsourcing
and
and
particularly
as
as
maureen
mentioned,
we
need
kind
of
continuum
of
care,
thought
that
all
these
agencies
we're
going
to
need
them
to
be
there
to
kind
of,
have
us,
be
able
to
refer
and
pass
people
off
to,
and
we
need
them
fully
functioning
for
that,
as
opposed
to
maybe
burdening
them
with
another
responsibility
and
kind
of
crafting
something
new,
and
then
that
way,
I
think
we
can
also
manage
it
at
the
city.
G
B
So,
oh
that's
fine.
I
mean
I
I
hear
that
and
that
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
I
I
want
to
make
sure
you
know
that
we
think
this
through
carefully,
because
I
think
you
know
the
911,
the
initial
responder,
the
one
who
makes
the
decision
who
is
going
to
be
called
next.
That
person
has
to
be
incredibly
well
qualified
and
and
it's
easy
to
make
a
mistake,
it's
easy
to
be
tired.
It's
easy
to
make
the
wrong
call,
and
we
don't
want
that.
B
We
want
this
to
work
well
and
if
it
works
within
the
you
know,
the
health
department.
That's,
I
think,
that's
less
of
a
concern
to
me
than
making
sure
that
we
have
the
qualified
people.
Our
police
department
is
already
short
staffed
and
that's,
I
think,
what
we've
we've
been
told
and
correct
me
if
I,
if
I
have
this
wrong
but
the
place
where
we
can
there's
possibly
some.
S
B
To
be
had
would
be
in
reducing
our
the
number
of
police
so
that
we
would
we
would
eliminate
some
more
police
positions
in
order
to
free
up
some
money
to
do
to
hire
these
these
other
folks.
B
I
so
I'm
I'm
assuming
that
we're
going
to
be
hearing
from
either
the
city
manager
or
the
police
chief
or
what,
whatever
about
how
the
department
would
function
with
your
officers
and
from
what
areas,
as
you
said,
alderman
fleming
they
might,
they
might
come
from
just
an
assessment
of
what
kind
of
policing
we
are
expecting
and
providing.
B
I've
had
a
couple
of
meetings
in
my
board
at
the
invitation
of
residents
in
some
of
my
condo
buildings
have
had
interesting
conversations
about
this
and
I'm
hoping
that
everyone
in
their
awards
is
doing
that
as
well.
B
When
I
was
speaking
about
money
before
alderman
fleming,
I
was
speaking
about
that
alameda
example
and,
and
that
and
that's
that's
not
money
that
we're
going
to
establish
by
cutting
a
few
these
police
officers
that
is
actually
going
out
and
trying
to
have
conversations
with
other
communities,
and
maybe
a
northern
illinois,
maybe
cmap.
I
I
just
don't
know
what
the
organization
the
umbrella
organization
might
be
there,
but
that
makes
in
terms
of
providing
service
and
unburdening.
You
know
some.
L
B
The
service
providers
that
we
have
now,
that
seems
to
me
to
be
a
long-term
strategy
to
you
know
address
some
of
the
the
needs
that
we
have
well,
that's
not
exactly
what
we're
doing
now.
That's
a
that's
a
goal,
and
so
the
conversations
going
forward,
I
think
we're
having
what
another
two
this
month,
alderman
ravel
another
one
and
we're
just
going
to.
A
B
Okay
yeah,
I
guess.
B
Now,
right,
okay,
so
I
I
guess
one
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
know
from
the
department
is
is
what
sort
of
staffing
what's
the
minimum
staffing
that
they
think
they
can
do
to
provide
the
service
that
basically
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
tell
them
that
the
community
wants
to
provide
so
is.
Is
the
next
thing
to
have
have
our
board
meetings
or
have
a
community
meeting
or
what?
What
is
the
next
step
that
we
can
kind
of
draw
all
of
this
together?.
A
Well,
I
guess
I'll
just
throw
in
picky,
because
I
know
ottoman
fleming
mentioned
the
hillary
clinton's
report
and
the
sixth
recommendation
in
that
report
was
to
do
a
staffing
study
because
apparently,
we've
not
done
one
for
about
20
years,
and
we
are
sort
of
carrying
along
this
staffing
pattern
that
we've
gotten
accustomed
to
over
the
years
without
kind
of
taking
a
stop
a
step
to
rethink
it
and
and
see.
Is
that
really.
A
Well,
I
guess
the
question
part
of
the
department
could
do
it
itself,
or
is
that
something
that
me?
I
don't
know
what
what's
involved
hillary
hines
indicated.
I
have
to
go
back
and
read
that,
but
it
sounded
as
though
one
option
is
that
the
department
does
its
own
staffing
survey.
Another
one
would
be
you
bring
in
somebody
from
outside,
but-
and
I
don't
know
how
long
it
would
take.
B
Well,
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
I
mean,
given
the
the
community
response
to
this.
I'm
not
sure
that
an
internal
staffing
study
on
the
part
of
the
police
department
would
be
accepted.
I
mean
widely
endorsed,
so
I
would
I
I
guess,
I'd
be
open
to
hearing
what
other
options
there
might
be,
but
I
do
think
that
study
is
needed.
I
mean
that's
clearly.
B
The
next
step
is
that
we
need
to
know
that,
for
example,
we
need
to
go
to
our
residence
and
say
this
is
the
direction
that
the
next
conversation
is
in
and
we
need
to
hear
from
you
of
what
kind
of
police
department
you
want
to
have,
which
I
think
has
been
what's
going
on,
and
I
mean
my
next
board
meeting
is
in
for
the
general
board
meeting
is
on
september
1st,
and
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
at
that.
G
B
Meeting
but
I
I
think
that's
that's
the
next
piece
to
this
right.
A
B
B
Pretty
knows
the
city
pretty
well,
and
I
was
really
impressed
with
with
the
response
that
you
know
our
officers
can
identify
the
you
know
some
of
the
moran
center
clients
on
the
street
and
are
responding
appropriately.
I
think
that's
a
very
a
very
good
and
positive.
B
I
I
I'm
trying
to
get
from
here
to
where
we,
I
think
we
want
to
be
in
at
the
end
of
september
and
october,
when
we
start
talking
about
budget,
because
I
don't
want
to
start
either
adding
positions
or
cutting
positions,
or
I
mean
all
of
that's
going
to
inform
what
decision
we
make
in
the
fall
with
the
budget,
and
I
don't
feel
that
we've
touched
on
that.
Yet
without
knowing
from
the
department
I
mean
what
we
can
do
and
and
from
from
corporation
council
on.
B
H
G
B
Have
the
answers
so
there's
a
question
somewhere
here.
T
Yes,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
council,
christopher
voss
assistant
communications
coordinator
for
the
city
of
evanston,
I
just
wanted
to
reference
the
question
regarding
the
training
for
dispatchers
and
what
level
of
training
they
received.
T
Each
of
our
16
telecommunicators,
whose
experience
ranges
between
four
years
and
30
years
on
the
job
all
attend
a
40-hour
training
accredited
by
the
state
for
dispatching
and
for
the
job
of
being
a
dispatcher
and
a
9-1-1
operator
that
training
also
envelops
crisis,
call
taking
whether
that's
by
talking
to
suicidal
subjects,
subjects
in
mental
distress
and
and
otherwise,
and
during
that
or
during
their
time
on
the
job.
T
They
continue
to
take
educational
classes
that
cover
those
call
types
each
and
every
month
we
we
contract
through
two
companies
that
that
provide
us
that
continuing
education
as
well
as
they
do
what's
known
as
emergency
medical
dispatching
where
they
follow
a
scripted
series
of
questions
from
medical
related
calls
calls
that
may
also
include
suicidal
subjects
or
subjects
in
a
mental
in
a
mental
health
crisis
situation.
T
T
They
do
all
facets
of
the
job.
It
allows
them
to
move
from
one
facet
of
the
job
to
the
other
facet
of
the
job
quickly.
It
allows
for
a
quicker
response
to
emergency
situations,
because
the
call
taker
can
dispatch
the
call
at
the
same
time,
while
the
caller
is
on
the
line
with
them,
which
provides
more
fluent
information,
dissemination
to
officers
and
firefighters.
T
G
Okay,
at
this
point
about
kind
of
our
next
steps,
I
think
I
think
you're
right
to
have
a
staffing
study
done
by
the
police
is
not
going
to
be
helpful
in
the
community.
However,
I
I
don't
know
in
terms
of
having
a
staffing
study,
that's
doing
bike
done
by
a
consultant.
I
don't
know
if
that's
helpful
for
us
in
terms
of
the
time
frame,
we
have
to
do
an
rfp
and
you
know
all
those
different
things.
G
So
there's
probably
a
way
we
can,
I
think
you're
right,
maybe
if
chief
thinks
so
a
staffing
study
that
we
can
put
on
the
agenda
for,
for
you
know
later
this
year
and
next
year
is
probably
appropriate.
I
don't
know
how
we
just
get
that
done
time
frame
for
looking
for
october.
I
think
you're
right.
We
have
to
figure
out
where,
where
we,
maybe
maybe
I'll
say,
have
too
many
staff
but
have
an
inappropriate
amount
of
staff,
but
that
that,
hopefully,
is
a
conversation.
Go
ahead,
go
ahead.
B
Well,
I
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
I
guess
I'm
I'm
a
little
bit
uncomfortable.
I
I
think
we
can
probably
take
some
steps
forward
and
but
I
I
do
think
that
I
I
don't
want
to
be
boxed
in
by
the
budget
discussion.
I
I
I
just
you
know
this
is
too
important
an
issue
to
be
limited
that
we've
got
to
accomplish
all
of
this
in
the
next
eight
weeks.
I'm
I'm
I
I
want.
B
So
I
feel
I
I
that's
not
something
that
I
I
feel
confident
that
can
we
can
do
without
without
a
study
now,
if,
if
it
means
we
can't
do
a
study,
I
mean
then
I
would
say
to
the
chief:
why
don't
you
do
an
internal
study
and
let
us
know
what
what
you
come
up
with.
I
mean,
even
if
the
community
that
wasn't
the
community's
first
choice,
I
do
think
we
need
something
we
need
to
hear
from
our
police
department
on.
You
know
what
what
level
of
service
can
they
provide
and
how
much?
B
How
much
creativity
is
there
in
rearranging
responses
and
personnel
to
continue
to
provide
the
kind
of
police
response
that
we
that
we
believe
we
need
in
evanston
and
still
reallocate?
So
I'm
I'm
I'm
a
little
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
forging
ahead
without
that
that
piece
of
information
I
I
would
much
prefer
that
we
got
that
from
someone
who
is
independent
and
not
from
evanston
who
is
looking
at
our
department
objectively,
but
if
we
don't
have
the
time
to
do
that,
I
think
that
we
definitely
need
to
hear
from
our
department.
B
I
mean
hear
from
our
chief,
so
I
wouldn't
feel
comfortable
going
ahead
without
that.
A
It
could
be
a
pilot,
that's
only
certain.
You
know
a
few
hours
a
day
as
opposed
to
24
hours
coverage
initially
this,
because
we
won't
have
the
rep
the
funds
to
do
the
full-blown
program.
So
we
we
get
that
started
because
even
just
figuring
that
out
in
the
next
couple
of
months
is
going
to
be
a
challenge
and
then
one
time
over
time
we
free
up
additional
revenue,
as
we
do.
This
re-staffing.
B
I
I
you
know
what
I
can't
even
I
need
to
know
what
the
re-staffing
is
going.
I
I
just
want
to
know
where
the
I'm,
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
enough
money
by
reducing
the
size
of
our
departments,
to
do
the
things
that
we
want
to
do.
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
think
more
broadly
about
where
funding
is
going
to
be
coming
from,
and
I
think
that
that's
we'll
find
that
out
a
little
bit
further
down
the
road
when
we
decide
exactly
what
we
want
to
do.
B
9-1-1
is
available
24-7
and
if
there
are
highly
trained
people
there
24-7,
maybe
we
maybe
9-1-1
exists
outside
of
the
police
department
on
its
own.
I
just
don't
know
I
I
don't
know
what
is
going
to
satisfy
the
defunders
and
the
people
who
support
reallocation.
B
I
don't
know
how
much
of
that
is
going
to
be
removing
from
the
police
department
into,
for
example,
health
and
human
services.
I'm
happy
to
have
that
conversation.
I'd
like
to
hear
more
about
all
of
that,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
be
cutting
the
police
department
at
the
risk
that
we're
going
to
then
have
to
turn
around
and
and
we're
not
going
to
have
the
kind
of
police
coverage
that
the
community
wants,
and
I
think
that's
the
that's.
B
The
challenge
right
now
is
that
you
know
we're
already
what
seven
members
in
the
department
I
I'm
again
short
we've
gotten
along
without
those
seven
members,
and
maybe
that's
fine
and
how
much
more
can
we
can
we
cut?
B
I
just
want
to
know
again
what
the
numbers
are,
so
that
we're
not
surprised
and
so
that
we
don't
end
up
in
a
conversation
with
council
just
sort
of
willy-nilly
cutting
police
department
members,
because
that
doesn't
seem
to
me
to
be
the
wise,
the
wise
thing
to
do
unless
we
know
exactly
what
we're
going
to
be
achieving
and
what
we're
going
to
be
gaining
and
losing.
B
So
I'm
I'm
I'm
open
to
all
of
this,
but
I
can't
do
it
without
all
of
the
information
there,
whether
it's
information
people
want
to
hear
or
not,
it's
important
information
to
have,
and
I
don't
want
to
rush
it.
You
know
if
we
can't
get
an
outside
consultant
to
come
in
and
in
a
timely
way.
At
least
I
want
to
know
from
the
police
department
I
mean
they.
B
They
know,
what's
expected
in
the
community,
how
many
people
do
they
think
and
in
what
departments
and
what
what
units
do
they
think
need
to
can
be
trimmed
and
that
then
we
can
decide
whether
we
agree
with
that
or
not
it's
not
turning
over
the
decision
to
them.
It's
just
getting
their
opinion
and
I
I
think
that's
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
not
to
do
that.
So,
yes,.
B
B
U
Okay
I'll
say
it's
now.
I
can
start
all
right.
Great
hi.
There,
police
department
is
a
full
service
police
department.
You
know
we're
not
just
driven
by
calls
for
service
what
you
may
have
been
getting
in
terms
of
data
from
the
9-1-1
center.
You
know
we
got
metra,
we
got
cta,
we
got
25
000
students
over
at
northwestern.
We
got
a
50
000
seat
stadium.
We
got
the
second
largest
water
plant
in
the
state.
U
We
got
15
elementary
schools.
We
got
the
largest
high
school
in
the
state.
It's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
have
to
cover
with
the
limited
resources
that
we
already
have
now,
in
my
opinion,
responsible
budgeting
is
should
be
defunding.
U
I
should
not
be
encumbering
funds
in
this
department
for
things
that
don't
don't
create
public
value
right,
meaning
the
the
public
gets
value
from
what
we
do.
So
that's.
I
think
you
need
to
consider
all
of
these
other
issues.
As
these
things
I
just
mentioned
in
the
schools,
the
water
plant,
we
just
moved
two
officers
into
the
water
plant
to
provide
security
there.
That
has
never
been
a
policeman
stationed
there
in
the
history
of
the
police
department.
Now
we
got
security
over
there.
The
student
campus
always
presents
a
level
of
volatility.
U
The
school
system
creates
a
level
of
volatility
and
unknown
incidents
that
may
draw
resources.
So
you
know,
when
you
look
at
our
budget,
you
know
taking
out
the
11
million
dollars
that
go
into
funding
the
police
pension.
We
left
with
very
little
money
to
operate.
The
police
department-
probably
probably
a
little
bit
less
than
two
million
dollars.
That
20
million
in
salaries
is
for
the
number
of
officers
we
have
and
we
had
an
all-time
low.
U
The
cops
here
don't
remember
when
the
evanston
police
department
was
at
149
officers,
I'm
the
only
one
here
that
does,
and
I
know
we
can
function
to
a
level
of
proficiency,
but
when
you
start
cutting
and
not
taking
into
account
where
we
are
in
america
in
terms
of
crime,
the
things
that
this
city
has
to
offer
in
terms
of
your
people
that
come
here
to
visit.
When
you
look
at
what
services
the
public
have
have
come
to
want
in
this
town,
they
want
service.
U
I
come
back.
It's
gone
that
was
historical
stuff
that
chief
logan
did
when
he
was
the
chief
of
police.
Here
we
had
a
long
history
of
advocacy
for
domestic
violence,
death
notifications
just
about
anything
mental
health,
and
so
now.
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
how
we
can
get
those
services
back
in
collaboration
with
other
people.
U
I
think,
if
you
look
at
zero
based
budgeting
line
item
review,
I
think
you
may
find
a
few
dollars,
I'm
not
sure,
but
you
know
just
saying
that
you're
gonna
defund
the
police.
We
did
what
the
helian
heights
report
asked
us
to
do.
I've
done
that
we
looked
at
spanner
control
and
what
that
is
is
how
many
officers
can
a
supervisor
effectively
supervise,
and
that
was
off
kilter
because
we
had
one
position
I'll
give
you
a
couple
of
them,
but
we
had
the
the
executive
officer.
U
Here
there
was
a
police
commander.
He
had
zero
span
of
control,
he
worked
for
nobody
but
himself,
and
he
did
the
things
that
the
chief
want.
So
here
your
height
said
that
was
inefficient,
which
I
thought
so
also
we
had
a
police
commander
in
the
office
of
professional
standards
with
one
sergeant
that
that's
inefficiency.
U
So
we
we
got
rid
of
those
positions
through
attrition
and
one
of
those
positions
is
in
freeze
right
now
in
the
police
budget
were
actually
two
of
those
commander
positions
and-
and
that
was
recommendation
to
some
extent
from
the
helium
heights
report.
U
But
in
the
covet
world
we
have
shifted
to
a
12-hour
shift
pattern,
which
is
four.
It
takes
four
pods
to
to
run
patrol
operation.
You
got
a
b
for
days
and
nights,
so
we
actually
put
more
officers
on
the
street
because
we're
in
a
12-hour.
You
can
look
this
up.
It's
called
a
pitman
shift
schedule.
U
We
we're
putting
more
officers
on
the
street
due
to
that,
but
I
don't
have
a
police
commander
over
the
drug
unit.
I
don't
have
a
police
commander
in
in
obs,
so
that
means
more
work
that
I
have
to
do,
which
is
not
a
wine,
but
it's
just
a
fact
of
life.
I
have
to
watch
what
these
people
do
from
a
upper
management
level.
So
nothing
goes
off-kilter.
U
So
I
think
when
you
look
at
things
outside
of
just
regular
calls
for
service
that
come
in
through
that
police
desk
and
look
at
the
the
services
that
are
driven
by
the
university
services
that
are
driven
by
district
65
services
that
are
driven
by
other
other
internal
governmental
agencies
in
our
own
organization,
the
unknown
when
it's
like.
We
just
had
these
drastic.
These
murderer
murdering
crimes
we
just
had.
We
had
to
put
more
resources
in
these
neighborhoods
to
make
people
feel
safe.
U
Those
are
the
type
of
things
that
people
expect
and
diminishing
our
manpower
to
a
point
where
that's
ineffective
is
going
to
do
nothing
but
you're
going
to
pay
for
it
at
time
and
a
half.
B
U
U
But
if
you
diminish
our
staffing
levels
beyond
what
they
are
now
and
what
I've
been
here
a
year
and
a
half
alderman,
and
when
I
came
here,
we
had
160
police
officers
now
we're
down
to
149
so
service
delivery
is
gonna,
become
a
question
and
when
you
look
at
overtime,
which
I
hear
over
time,
I
was
able
to
cut
overtime
last
year
by
135
000
over
the
previous
years.
U
I
could
expect
that
to
go
back
up
to
provide
what
the
public
needs.
If
we
have
a
drastic
crime
as
a
homicide
or
some
of
that
nature,
I
have
to
make
the
public
feel
safe
in
their
neighborhoods.
I
have
to
put
extra
officers
out
there
when
we
activate
these
task
force
to
investigate
these
crimes.
It
costs
money,
training,
costs
money.
I
don't
control
the
cost
of
all
of
this
stuff.
As
you
stated
earlier,
all
the
man,
you
know
the
union
contracts
and
so
forth
come
into
play
into
this.
U
So
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
of
your
time,
but
I
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
it's
a
lot
of
things
that
drive
what
we
do
and
it's
a
lot
of
things
that
the
public
expect
from
us.
B
Yeah
thanks
chief
I'm,
you
know
it's
just
really
important
that
we
hear
from
you
and
you
know,
because
we
do.
We
do
trust
that
you
know
you
guys
are
out
there.
You
pretty
much
know
the
community
standard
at
least
what
people
are
calling
for
and
what
we
as
aldermen
call.
You
call
on
you
to
do
so.
I
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
your
jumping
in
here
and
giving
us
some
information.
That's
helpful.
B
A
Think
one
one
idea
behind
or
one
reason
that
we're
contemplating
this
alternative
emergency
response
model
is
to
be
able
to
relieve
police
officers
from
having
to
respond
to
a
big
number
of
the
calls
that
don't
really
require
a
police
officer.
So
that
would
you
know
that
we
could
be
that
a
mental
health,
professional
and
a
you
know
a
medical
person
can
respond
to
so
then
those
aren't
those
calls
for
service
are,
you
know,
taken
off
of
your
your
plate
as
it
were,
so
I
I
don't
know
how
you
feel
about
that
chief
cook.
U
Available,
it's
very
important
to
have
mental
crisis
workers.
It
would
relieve
of
some
stress
off
of
the
police
department.
We
go,
we
back
and
forth
to
901,
maple
back
and
forth,
back
and
forth,
taking
people
to
the
hospital
and
they're
out
three
or
four
days
later,
because,
as
someone
stated
earlier,
you
know
it's
like
a
cycle
and
there's
nowhere
to
ship
long-term
help
or
to
get
the
help
that
people
need
tilly
park's
been
closed
for
25
years.
You
know
it's.
U
Nobody
wants
to
care
for,
for
our
homeless
people
who
are
mentally
ill.
It's
just
a
cycle
of
recidivism
that
we
have
to
keep
addressing
so
any
help
that
we
could
get.
I'm
I'm
for
that.
But
I
think
when
you
look
at
look
at
it
in
a
sense
of
defunding,
you
really
have
to
look
at
what
we
do
totally
and
unexpected
in
this
town,
where
we
could
be
efficient
in
dealing
with
that
also.
G
So,
thank
you.
So
I
remember
I
appreciate
your
point
because
part
of
this
is
you
know
getting
the
right
response
to
the
citizen
base,
and
so
chief
is
correct.
We
don't
have
where
I
talked
about
that
continuum
of
care.
The
marine
brought
up.
We
don't
necessarily
have
all
the
safety
nets
we
need
to
have
in
town
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
mostly
because
of
state
funding.
But
again
I
I
think
you
know
I
respect
what
you're
saying
on
my
first
week.
G
There
is
more
information
that
can
that
could
always
be
brought
to
a
conversation.
I
guess
my
concern
is,
and
we
don't
it
doesn't
have
to
be
eight
weeks
necessarily.
My
concern
is,
you
know
if
we're
moving
in
a
direction
to
keep
moving
there
and
if
we
kind
of
get
too
far
down
with
the
report
and
this
and
that
that
we,
you
know,
there's
a
chance,
we
can
always
bring
up
other
things
that
we
want
to
look
at
before.
G
We
start
to
make
decisions,
and
so
I
think,
chief
you're
right
with
the
the
level
of
service
expectations.
I
think
you
know
so
we're
looking
at
all
kind
of
budget
deficits.
We
have
to
be
part
of
our
job
is
to
communicate
to
citizens
what
the
level
of
service
can
be.
I
mean
we
probably
get
calls
all
the
time
for
people
who
want
the
city
to
do
a
bazillion
things
that
the
city
can't
do
or
doesn't
have
the
money
to
do,
and
we
have
to
just
be
honest
about
that.
G
So
in
my
war
meetings,
I've
been
having
conversations
about
this
part
of
what
I've
also
challenged
or
been
communicating
in.
My
ward
is
that
we
have
a
responsibility
and
we
call
the
police
right.
So,
if
you're
upset
with
your
neighbor
with
the
leaf
blower,
you
know
if
you're
calling,
9-1-1
or
non-emergency
you
are
making
union.
G
You
are
setting
up
for
potentially
a
negative
experience
between
your
neighbor
and
the
police,
not
because
the
police
is
negative,
but
because
the
person
is
just
doing
what
they
think
is
good
neighborly
work,
and
then
here
comes
a
police
officer
and
they're
usually
mad
at
the
police,
and
they
start
to
think
the
police
are
harassing
them.
When
it's
really,
you
know
their
neighbor
next
door
was
caught.
G
So
I
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
keep.
I
would
like
us
to
kind
of
keep
pushing
and
think
about
where
these
gaps
are
and
what
we
can
do.
You
know
I
you
know,
I
feel
like
there's
some
money
in
the
police
department.
You
know
chief
disagrees,
I'm
not
a
police
officer.
I
can
just
tell
you
from
you
know
what
what
I've
observed.
G
I
was
at
one
of
the
homicides,
unfortunately,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
officers
standing
around
and
and
I
again
not
an
officer,
I'm
sure
some
had
work
that
they
were
doing,
but
lots
were
standing
under
retreat.
So
I
think
that
if
we
have
another
option
for
people
to
call
9-1-1,
I
think
if
we
are
dispatching
our
officers,
you
know
in
in
more
creative
ways.
G
I
think
that
there's
a
way
for
us
to
make
this
happen,
it
probably
does
you're
right
ottoman,
plisk,
there's
gonna
be
need
to
be
money
from
from
somewhere
else,
and
you
know,
there's
gonna
be
other
things
that
we're
gonna
be
looking
at
in
our
budget.
That
potentially
we
decide,
we
don't
need
to
do
next
year.
I'm
reveal,
I
think
a
pilot
program
would
be
amazing.
My
concern
with
that
is:
are
we
going
to
get
the
best
people
to
feel
these
positions?
If
they're
concerned
that
it's
only
six
months
right?
G
If
we
have
a
great
clinician
who
would
be
excellent
for
this
job,
is
that
person
going
to
come
and
take
the
job
if
they're
concerned
it's
only
for
six
months
or
three
months
or
whatever?
Now,
in
this
climate,
where
people
are
out
of
work,
maybe
maybe
that
works
for
our
benefit?
Maybe
there
are
tons
of
people
out
there
to
do
that,
but
you
know
I
would
just
be
concerned
about
setting
it
up
that
way.
Yeah
right.
A
Well,
maybe
maybe
pilot's
the
wrong
word,
but
maybe
something
that's
you
know.
Ideally
I
think
we'd
want
somebody
24
hours
a
day,
but
maybe
initially
we
can
only
do
it
six
or
eight
hours
a
day,
and
maybe
our
the
911
record
could
tell
us
which
hours
of
the
day
right
have
the
heaviest
demand
or
something
so
start
small
and
grow
big
as
opposed
to
calling
it
a
you
know,
time-limited
pilot.
G
Right
and
that
makes
sense,
because
we
can
still
get
good
people
but
kind
of
place
them
accordingly,
so
I
think
we've
you
know:
we've
made
some
referrals
for
the
next
two
weeks.
On
my
best,
I
think
you're
right.
We
need
to
have
two
conversations
in
this
environment.
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
have
a
community
town
hall,
but
I
think
we
each
have
board
meetings
and
constituents
we
can
reach
out
to
to
have
the
conversation.
I
think,
if
we're
being
honest,
some
people
are
going
to
like
it.
G
Someone
if
we
have
to
you
know
as
elected
leaders,
make
our
decisions
based
on
what
we
think
is
best
for
the
citizen
and
for
our
city.
You
know,
and
all
of
I
think
I've
had
three
war
meetings
where
we've
discussed
this
at
some
point
or
another,
and
I've
had
some
people
who
are,
you
know
interested
supportive
and
some
who
are
not,
and
I've
explained
to
them.
G
Like
always
I'll
make
my
decision
based
on
information,
I
have
and
what
I
think
is
best
it's
not
going
to
please
everybody,
but
that
is
the
situation,
but
I
do-
and
I
don't
know
I
think
we
should
hear
from
the
city
manager.
I
think
my
thought
was
to
get
it
done
during
the
budget
season,
because
then
we're
ready
to
go
in
january.
We
know
where
the
funds
are
coming
from.
G
The
police
union
piece,
I
think,
is
definitely
one.
I
have
spoken
to
corporation
council
but
chair.
Maybe
they
need
to
come
to
the
next
meeting.
They
were
at
the
meeting
that
ottoman
suffered
and
I
had
they
provided
a
lot
of
information
about
the
contract,
probably
good
to
have
them
come
to
our
next
meeting.
Just
to
give
us
an
idea
of
what
our
contractual
obligations
are
not,
but
I
think
you
know
chief
is
right.
G
B
So
well
can
I
just
say
one
one
other
thing
about
about
the
budget,
and
this
is
not
I
mean
I,
I
don't
disagree
with
you
about
9-1-1,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
have
that
conversation.
As
you
know,
as
I
said,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
look
at
you
know
where
funding
could
come
from.
I
mean
it
was
really
helpful
to
hear
from
the
chief
and
the
chief.
B
If
I'm
hearing
him
correctly,
I
mean
there
they've
made
a
decision
on
the
community
standard
that
a
policing
to
be
provided
and
they're
pretty
much
at
that
in
order
to
provide
what
what
they've
been
what
has
been
communicated
to
them
is
the
community
standard.
That's
where
they're
at
right
now,
so
cutting
anybody
else
from
taking
funding
away
is
only
going
to
going
to
negatively
impact
that.
B
It's
even
possible
to
have
a
huge,
a
huge
city-wide
meeting
right
now,
but
it's
you
know
we
are
elected
representatives
and
and,
as
you
said,
we'll
do
what
is
is
best
for
the
the
city
and
and
our
awards
and-
and
you
know,
hopefully
make
the
right
the
right
decision.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
against.
B
I'm
absolutely
open
to
all
of
this,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
pay
for
it,
because
it
is
very
clear
in
my
war,
very
clear
in
my
work
that,
especially
with
the
the
tax
increase
that
that
a
lot
of
people
were
just
feeling
when
they
received
their
tax
bills
that
we
I
I
believe,
services
have
been
cut
farther
than
they
ever
should
have
been.
I
and
I
know
it's
I
I
can
see
the
the
effect
of
that.
I
hear
the
complaints
about
it.
B
It
is
very,
very
clear
to
me
that
we
should
be
thinking
in
terms
of
restoring
some
of
those
services
that
we
cut.
I
don't
have
any
idea
how
we're
going
to
do
that
unless
we
start
finding
new
new
revenue
streams,
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
really
complicated
budget.
Conversation,
so
that's
why
I
keep
pushing
to
find
out.
B
You
know
what
is
it
that
we
actually
really
need
and
where's
the
money
going
to
come
from,
because
if
we
want
to
maintain
a
certain
level
of
of
service-
and
this
is
where
we
need
the
chief
to
tell
us-
and
we
cut
more
police
officers
than
what
is
that
going
to
do
to
the
to
the
response
that
we
that
we
feel
that
we
need,
I
think
everyone
it
seems
has
made.
You
know
the
decision
that
we're
going
to
focus
on
the
on
the
911
and
I
think,
that's
probably
a
good
first
step.
B
B
That's
really
important
to
me
and
those
are
all
conversations
that
we'll
have
here
at
human
services.
So
I
I'm
I'm
not
I'm
not
against
anything.
I'm
here
I'm
just,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
there
is
a
level
of
policing
in
my
ward
and
I'm
assuming
in
all
of
your
words
that
people
people
expect
and
how
we
have
that
conversation
with
them
and
I
think
alderman
again
don't
call
about
the
leaf
blowers.
B
I
mean
call
ask
staff
to
out
and
and
enforce
you
know
some
of
these,
these
laws
that
we
have
on
the
books
without
calling
you
know
911
or
bothering
the
police
about
them.
So
I
think
you
know
that's.
That's!
That's
a
city
manager,
sort
of
exercise
that
I
think
is
important
to
do
here,
but
it's
all
part
of
the
conversation.
So
I
feel
I'm
not
being
terribly
helpful.
I
sound
more
confused
than
I
am
enlightening
anything,
but
I
I
I
just.
B
But
but
the
conversation
is
extremely
important
and
it's
a
real
change,
of
course,
for
us
in
the
city
we
haven't
had
to
do
this
before
and
in
some
ways
it's
it's
really
good.
It's
really
good
to
have
the
conversation,
but
it's
much
more
complicated,
I
think,
than
trying
to
shoehorn
this
into
into
a
budget
season.
So
if
we
can,
if
we
can
sort
of
keep
this
focused
on
the
911
response,
I
think
that's
something
that's
doable
by
the
time
we
get
to
budget
season.
Further
than
that,
I
think
we
need
to.
B
That's
worth
that
sports,
a
conversation,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
figure
out
whether
we
can
do
that
right.
G
A
Know
I
mean
if
we
could
kind
of
come
up
with
a
as
a
plan
for
what
this
would
look
like,
that,
on
a
modest
level
to
start
with
an
eight
hour
a
day,
maybe
even
only
six
hours
a
day
I
don't
know,
and
and
what
would
it
look
like
how
many
people
would
it
take
to
make
it
work?
What
would
that
cost?
A
So
we
we
at
least
know
what
we're
talking
about.
We
start
going
into
the
budget
season.
We
have
that
question,
so
we
could
try
to
work
on
that
at
our
next
meeting,
along
with
having
corporation
council
coming
to
talk
to
us
about
the
contractual
issues
involved
with
you
know
shrinking
the
police
department,
or
should
we
just
stay
focused
on
the
911
piece.
B
If
we're
talking
about
shrinking
the
police
department,
I
I
I
guess
I
need,
then
then
I
need
to
go
back
to
chief
and
find
out
where,
in
the
police
department,
where
we
can
shrink,
I
mean,
if
that's
our
revenue,
resources
drinking
the
police
department.
Then
that's
one
thing:
it's
making
the
police
department
for
to
be
able
to
say
that
we're
shrinking
the
police
department.
I
think
we're
already
down,
and
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
we're
down
what
7
10
13.
I
don't
know
how
many
people
that
were.
B
B
A
M
A
Because
we
haven't
had
that
conversation
I
know
honorable
fleming
has,
but
I
haven't
had
a
conversation
yet
with
my
award
about
what
they
expect
from
the
police
department
either.
But
so
I
see
that
as
sort
of
a
longer
term
discussion,
because
I
I
guess
I'd
really
like
to
see
if
we
couldn't
come
up
with
a
plan-
a
proposal
in
time
for
the
budget
that
deals
with
this
emergency
response
system
as
as
one
way
of
addressing
having
fewer
officers
right.
One
thing:
okay,
okay,.
B
Okay,
I'm
sorry
can
I
can
I
just
just
jump
real
quickly.
If
that's
the
goal
is
having
here
fewer
officers,
then
we
need
to
tell
the
chief
that
right
now
so
that
we
can
find
out
from
the
chief
how
many
fewer
officers
we
can
have.
I
mean
I
I
I
if
that's
the
goal
is
having
fewer
officers,
but
I'm
I'm
not
there.
Yet
I'm
not.
I
don't
know
what
having
fewer
officers
actually.
A
B
Okay
and
then
on
the
surface
of
it,
that
makes
perfect
sense
to
me.
I
mean
I
absolutely
agree
with
that,
but
but
it
it
may
be
that
the
department
and
I'm
not
trying
to
stick
up
for
the
police
department
here.
I
just
don't
want
to
start
making
assumptions
that
aren't
based
on
fact.
So
that's
why
I
need
to
hear
from
the
chief
I
mean:
if
we're
going
to
be
focused
on
you
know,
providing
the
service,
which
is
an
essential,
very
good,
positive,
indisputable
service.
B
Then
how
many?
How
many
officers
can
we
cut
in
order
to
pay
as
much
as
possible
to
fund
these
services,
or
is
the
answer
to
that?
It's
you're
talking,
you
know,
apples
to
oranges
here
that
that's
just
not
the
function
of
the
various
units
won't
accommodate
that.
I
just
that's.
That's
what
I
need
to
know
from
the
chief.
I
need
to
know
that-
and
maybe
we've
talked
enough
about
this
tonight-
to
give
the
chief
some
direction
on
that.
If
we,
if
we
have
these,
you
know
responders
how?
B
How
much
does
that
relieve
the
police
department
of
a
need
to
respond,
and
how
does
that
then
translate
into
numbers
of
potential
officers
that
are
no
longer
required?
I
think
that's
the
question
and
chief.
You
don't
need
to
answer
that
tonight.
I
you
know,
I
think,
that's
the
question
that
I've
got
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
work
through
this.
G
Like
we
cover
at
the
left,
I
mean
we
have
these
reports
about
the
number
of
officers
number
of
bacon
spaces.
So
you
know
I
say,
there's
ten,
I
can't
remember
some
are
hell.
You
know
some
are
frozen,
some
are
vacant.
I
mean
that's
a
question
also
during
the
budget
time.
If
we
have
11
vacant
positions,
if
we
don't
build
them,
they
were
filled
at
some
point.
So
there
was
money
to
pay
those
11
people
who
are
no
longer
here
that
money
might
also
be
a
pot
of
money.
G
Okay,
so
I'm
I'm
going
to
suggest
we
move
forward.
I
I
I
appreciate
your
concern.
Ottoman
fisk
and
I
think
you
know
there
are
some
questions
for
sure
to
be
answered,
we're
not
making
a
decision
tonight,
but
I
mean
I
I
guess
for
me
and
I
think
you're
right
about
talking
to
your
citizens,
I'm
I'm
ahead
of
the
game.
I
have
done
that,
but
we're
we're
all
going
to
talk
to
citizens
and
they're
all
going
to
have
a
different
suggestion
or
concern
or
response
with
the
police
right.
Some
people
are
going
to
feel
like.
G
Yes,
we
have
to
have
all
the
we
have
now.
I
need
to
be
able
to
pick
up
the
phone
and
call
9-1-1
and
I
don't
think
we're
not.
You
know.
I
was
very
clear
with
people
in
my
ward
that
when
you
call
9-1-1
you,
I
want
you
to
have
a
response.
If
you
are
being
held
by
gunpoint,
god
forbid.
I
want
you
to
have
someone
trained
to
come
and
do
that.
G
I
don't
want
to
send
out
a
social
worker
for
that,
but
if,
if
it
is
not
that-
and
it
is
something
else
then
I
want
you
to
have
the
appropriate
response
for
that,
and
I
think
so
you
know
you
are
going
to
have
a
different
response,
obviously
than
than
other
folks.
G
The
people
who
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
say,
are
leading
this
conversation
and
we're
not
working
in
response
to
necessarily
one
group,
but
I
think
again,
if
we
just
think
about
policing,
there
are
people
in
this
town
who
do
not,
who
feel
over
police.
They
are
not
going
to
tell
you.
There's
there
are
limited
number
of
police,
you
know
in
their
neighborhood
they're
going
to
tell
you
they
feel
like.
There
are
too
many
police.
G
There
are
people
who
are
going
to
say
that
at
the
schools
there
are
some
people
at
the
schools
who,
like
you,
know
having
the
two
of
us
who's
there.
So
we
are
going
to
get
a
mixed
response
and
probably
not
a
majority,
and
we
have
to
make
decisions
that
we
think
are
best.
So
I'm
all
for
surveying
and
talking
to
people,
but
at
some
point
we
have
to
you
know,
make
our
decision
based
on
what
we
think
is
best
information
we
have
so
I
you
know
automobile.
G
I
like
your
idea
of
the
pilot
but
kind
of
a
you
know,
beginning
program
if
we
do
eight
hours-
and
you
know,
however,
however,
that
you
know
we
work
with,
let's
at
least
see
what
that
looks
like
yeah
yeah,
to
see
to
see,
if
that-
and
I
do
think
if
we
have
someone
who's
trained
to
go
out
and
and
work
with
someone
who's
having
whatever
issue
they're
having.
G
If
we
don't
have
an
officer
who's
going
out,
that
doesn't
mean
that
officer
is
not
necessarily
employed,
but
it
means
you
know
if
we
have
13
or
14
officers
on
the
street
now,
maybe
we
need
11.,
because
we
have
one
or
two
people
who
go
out
for
these
really
specific
calls
and
we're
not
sending
an
office
out
for
that.
I
also
think
part
of
what
we
maybe
are
asking
our
police
to
tell
us
is.
I
think
we
have
14
officers
on
right
now
who
are
on
the
street
that
headache
moment.
G
I
think
that
was
the
number,
but
we
have
other
officers
who
are
employed.
Who
are
not?
You
know,
patrolling
the
streets
so
to
speak
at
that
at
that
given
time,
which
is
why
I
talked
about
the
special
operations
team
right
they're,
not
necessarily,
I
don't
think
I
could
be
wrong
out
driving
in
their
cars
all
day,
like
our
patrol
team
are
so.
Those
are
definitely
valid
questions,
but
I
think
this
you
know
this
place.
G
We're
at
with
pushing
forward
with
the
911
response
is
something
that
we
need,
whether
we
have
14
officers
or
85
officers,
because
all
those
officers
don't
need
to
respond
to
these
kind
of
calls
we're
speaking
of
and
then
the
thing
with
the
leaf
before
now.
Yes,
that's
for
us
to
help
our
educate
our
residents.
G
To
not
call
I
mean
my
ward
officer
is
great,
but
she
will
tell
you
that
a
lot
of
her
one
of
the
things
she's
doing
in
my
ward
are
these
neighbor
disputes
that
she's
great
at-
and
you
know
we're
thankful
for
her.
But
it's
not
really
the
role
of
a
police
officer,
you
know
neighbors,
who
can't
agree
on
their
fencing
or
someone's
you
know
not
picking
up
their
dog
poop.
We
don't
need
a
police
officer
for
that.
G
We
need
individuals
to
pick
up
the
phone
and
talk
to
each
other,
but
we
don't
need
an
armed
officer
who
is
trained
to
do
a
lot
of
other
things
and
not
necessarily
come
out
and
you
know
deal
with
these
disputes.
So
again,
am
I,
where
we've
talked
about
this,
I've
had
a
consultant
come
over,
who
talked
about
communication
skills
and
punitive
restorative
justice
communications
with
each
other,
but
they're,
not
you
know,
because
I'm
not
skilled
or
my
job
is
not
to
come
out
either
and
deal
with
people's.
G
G
G
A
The
yes,
the
31st
yeah
so
well.
That
sounds
good.
Somebody
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn:
whoops
we've
lost
alder
and
fisk.
A
Here:
you're
there,
okay,
okay,
so
and
there's
nicola
yeah.
We,
I
think
we
don't
need
to
do
a
roll
call
for
this,
so
consider
us
adjourned,
and
I
welcome
your
input
for
specifics
for
the
for
putting
together
the
agenda
for
the
31st,
because
we're
all
in
this
struggling
with
this
together
here.
So
thank
you
all
and
thank
you
so
much
to
so
all
the
people
who
attended
our
meeting
this
evening
to
give
us
such
great
information
that
was
really
really
really
helpful.