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A
All
right
welcome
to
the
september
6th
human
services
committee
meeting.
We
do
have
a
quorum
with
one
for
the
moment,
virtual,
so
we'll
do
a
quick
roll
call
for
for
corn.
C
A
And
councilman
reed
is
here
virtual
at
this
point.
Next
up,
so
we
do
have
a
quorum
next
up
approval
of
minutes
to
the
regular
meeting.
Can
I
get
a
motion.
A
All
right
that
was
a
move
by
councilmember,
ravel
and
seconded
by
councilman
reed.
Are
there
any
changes
any
edits?
They
look
good.
Okay,
all
those
well
we
need
to.
I
guess
we
gotta
do
a
roll
call,
because
councilman
reed
is
no.
A
Mean
you
can
do
a
all
those
in
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes,
indicate
by
saying
aye
aye,
and
he
knows
the
eyes.
Have
it
moving
along
to.
E
You
can
do
that
in
open
session.
If
anybody,
though,
has
corrections
or
amendments,
then
we
should
save
it
and
go
to
executive
session
to
discuss
them.
But
if
you,
if
there's
no
amendments
or
corrections
or
questions,
you
can
approve
it
in
open
session
and
end
the
endless
loop
of
executive
sessions.
E
G
A
Second,
all
right,
all
those
any
other
discussion,
any
changes,
nothing
councilman,
reid
everything
looks
good
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
executive
session
minutes
from
what
is
this
again
august
is
the
17th
17th
indicated
by
saying
aye.
D
A
Perfect,
rob,
bush
anybody.
H
H
H
H
How
that's
going
to
impact
on
that
area
and
how
that's
going
to
impact
on
the
entire
town
is
something
that
this
committee,
as
the
vanguard
for
human
services,
should
should
address,
as
opposed
to
bare
breasts,
lock,
picking,
throwing
rocks
and
items
such
as
that.
So
I'm
hoping
you
will
vote
down
and
end
the
nudity
ban,
ordinance
discussion.
H
But
if
you
don't,
I
hope
you,
as
a
committee
will
take
it
upon
yourselves
to
call
for
community
meetings.
Community
input,
the
park
and
recreation
board
offered
chairman
council
member
reed
its
assistance
in
providing
for
those
kinds
of
community
meetings.
We've
done
it
before
in
dealing
with
dog
parks
and
and
gardens
garden
plots.
We
can
help
you
do
it
with
the
nudity
ordinance.
H
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
have
a
good
evening.
C
This
is
a
really
important
implementation
tool
to
give
the
city
you
know.
As
a
homeless
service
provider.
In
evanston,
we
encounter
many
people
requesting
our
services
because
they
don't
have
access
to
housing
because
of
a
prior
criminal
record
or
a
prior
negative
interaction
with
our
justice
system.
C
So
you
know,
implementing
this
will
go
a
long
way
to
preventing
homelessness
in
evanston.
It
would
directly
reduce
homelessness
in
evanston,
which
is
a
goal
we
should
all
be
working
towards,
and
we
should
be
looking
towards
additional
amendments
to
the
city
code
that
we
can
work
through
together
to
address
homelessness
in
our
city.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
all
right.
I
think
that
concludes
public
comment.
B
Correct
okay,
great
so
then
we
will
move
on
to
our
agenda,
and
that
brings
us
to
items
for
consideration.
B
First
up
is
hs1
ordinance,
79022
amending
city
code,
title
5,
chapter
5,
fair
housing,
ordinance
to
include
protections
for
persons
with
covered
criminal
history,
I'm
sorry
and
actually
first,
let
me
get
to
chief
eddington.
So
if
someone
can
move.
F
In
the
miranda
server,
okay,.
A
I
will
remove
under
items
for
consideration.
I
will
move
hs2
ordinance,
880
22,
adding
subsection
9-1-4-1
prohibiting
the
use
of
no
knock
warrants.
B
Is
there
a
second
okay,
so
that
brings
us
to
hs2,
so
this
is
ordinance
as
as
was
read
88022.
This
is
a
referral
I
made.
B
We
know
that
across
the
country
no
knock
warrants
have
been
utilized
and
have
led
to
horrific
incidents
such
as
the
murder
of
brianna
taylor,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
and
and
and
a
number
of
other,
both
tragic
and
humiliating
instances,
both
locally
in
chicago
and
the
surrounding
area
and
across
the
nation,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
and
as
many
cities
across
the
nation
are
adopting
these
standards,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
as
well
and
following
these
new
what
I
would
consider
best
practices.
F
Good
evening,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
the
police
department,
is
in
support
of
this.
This
qualification
change.
It
is
something
we
had
to
commit
to
when
we
got
our
federal
use
of
force
certification
under
chief
cook.
I
have
talked
with
our
special
operations
commanders
going
back
over
a
decade.
We
didn't
use
them.
F
Then,
when
I
was
here,
we
haven't
used
them
since,
and
so
we
frankly
they're
extremely
dangerous
for
us,
because
when
we're
serving
a
warrant,
there's
usually
people
with
guns
and
dope,
we
don't
want
them
to
be
able
to
say
we
thought
it
was
other
dope
dealers
coming
to
take
our
stuff.
So
we
want
them
to
be.
We
want
to
make
it
crystal
clear
or
the
police,
so
no
objections.
Thank
you
for
asking.
B
Thank
you.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
this
item.
B
I
will
say
that
I
do
recall
you
know,
under
chief
cook's
time
chief
cook
mentioning
that
that
the
city
had
utilized
no
knock
warrants.
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
under
your
tenure
we
haven't-
and
maybe
we
have
an
under
chief
cook-
maybe
it's
mistaken.
B
Okay,
okay
back
in
the
day,
okay!
Well
with
that,
seeing
no
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions.
The
item
passes
that
brings
us
to
hs1
ordinance,
87022,
adding
subsection
9142
miranda.
Warnings
to
be
issued
may
have
a
motion.
A
Yeah
yeah
move.
What
is.
B
Is
there
a
second
okay,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded,
so
this
is
currently
in
our.
We
know
that
a
supreme
court
decision
came
down
recently
that
removed
the
requirement
of
miranda
warnings
and
so
similar
to
cities
and
states
that
are
codifying
the
rights
of
roe.
I
think
here
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
codify
miranda
rights,
and
so
is
there
any
discussion
from
the
committee
on
this
item.
B
F
Part
of
this
I'd
like
to
defer
to
mr
price
to
have
his
comments
on
the
recent
supreme
court
decisions,
but
by
practice
in
the
county
of
cook,
I'm
assuming
most
members
of
the
dice
have
had
the
pleasure
of
interacting
with
state's
attorney
kim
fox.
Do
you
really
think
she's
gonna?
Let
us
prosecute
somebody
who
has
been
properly
mirandized,
and
so
I
I
but
we
do
this.
I
got
a
basic
in
1974.
F
E
Sure
so
the
the
I
think
the
decision
we're
talking
about
that
was
controversial.
Was
the
supreme
court
didn't
abolish
miranda
so
much
as
to
say
that
this
wasn't
custodial?
I
think
most
people
thought
that
the
arrest
and
then
having
to
give
the
miranda
rights
was
custodial
and
they
broadened
the
category
of
not
being
custodial.
Therefore,
miranda
is
not
required,
but
miranda
still
exists
as
a
set
of
principles
to
be
observed
in
a
custodial
setting.
E
So
but,
as
we've
seen
with
roe
versus
wade,
you
know
history
may
march
on
and
there
may
be
other
things
so
codifying
this
in
a
way,
that's
consistent
with
the
practice
of
the
illinois
law
and
the
evidence
and
police
force.
That's
I
work
with
chief
to
to
try
and
do
that
to
meet
the
concern
here
and
in
case
the
supreme
court
then
goes
further
and
says
they
actually
were
reversing
the
law
of
the
land,
which
is
miranda.
E
So
that's
how
we
got
here
on
the
wording
of
this
particular
ordinance,
which
is
only
here
for
discussion
not
for
action
and
and
now
that
nick
is
back.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
get
his
wisdom
on
this
too,
which
it
hasn't
come
through
referrals
either.
So
I
think
it's
still
a
discussion
item
only
today,
but
that's
where
we're
at.
G
E
It
just
it
didn't
come
out,
we
I
did
it
because
you
asked
me
to
do
it
talking
to
dave
and
to
the
chief,
so
it
didn't
come
through
referrals.
That's
why
they
didn't
place
it
on
the
action
items
they
put
it
on
the
discussion,
so
we
we
did
it
because
you
asked
for
it,
but
it
hasn't
gone
through
the
referrals
process
to
actually
be
placeable.
B
D
G
B
I
thought
I
would
have
thought
I
thought
so
too
and
it's
you
know
it's
a
human
services
committee
item,
so
I'm
thank
you,
okay.
Well,
it's
been
discussed
well
next
time
referrals
committee
meets,
it
will
be
actually
referred
and
it
seems
that
there's
no
opposition
to
it.
So
when
it
comes
back,
we'll
we're
good
to
go
on
that.
B
Okay,
that
can
take
us
back
to
our
regular
order
of
business,
which
would
be
starting
with
hs1,
which
is
ordinance,
79022
amending
city
code,
title
5,
chapter
5,
fair
housing,
ordinance
to
include
protections
for
persons
with
covered
criminal
history
and
actual
or
perceived
status
as
a
victim
of
domestic
violence.
B
This
is
this
was
referred
by
council
member
kelly.
You
know
we'll
I'll,
allow
councilmember
kelly
to
say
anything
if
she
wants
to,
but
I'll
just
open
it
up
here.
This
is,
you
know
the
county.
We
need
to
move
approval.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
people
can
have
a
motion
moved
by
council
member
byrne
seconded
by.
B
Council
member
hetty
cottis.
B
So
this
ordinance,
as
was
stated
in
public
comment,
the
county
adopted
this
ordinance
a
few
years
ago.
This
is
extremely
important.
Folks,
with
criminal
histories
in
the
just
recent
past
could
be
denied
housing
unfairly.
I've
had
residents
of
my
ward
mention
this
to
me.
I've
had
folks
that
I
know
personally
raise
these
issues,
and
so
this
is
certainly
a
true
issue
out
in
the
community
councilmember
kelly.
Would
you.
I
Yeah-
I
don't
have
much
to
add
to
that,
but
I
am
really
I'm
happy
that
it
is
here
and
that
we're
going
to
bring
our
own
fair
housing
ordinance
into
alignment
which
has
been
the
tradition
of
evanston
with
cook
county.
That
gives
us
the
ability
to
enforce
when
there
is
discrimination
such
as
those
items
that
have
been
amended.
We
can
enforce
that
as
opposed
to
having
to
rely
on
county
to
enforce
those
aspects
that
aren't
mentioned
in
our
own
ordinance
and
cook
county
hasn't
been
super
wonderful
in
terms
of
enforcing.
I
It
also
means
that
cook
county
can
refer
back
to
our
own
municipality,
to
enforce
all
of
these
areas
of
mentioned
here
in
in
the
fair
housing
in
our
in
this
hopefully
newly
revised
fair
housing
ordinance.
So
this
is
very
important,
while
I'm
here
I
do
want
to
thank
jacqueline
zarek
koreath
she's,
the
director
of
the
network
for
housing
advocacy.
She
worked
long
and
hard
on
this
with
me,
as
well
as
gail
schechter
and
open
communities
also
took
part
in
helping
to
get
this
revised
and
staffed.
So
thank
you,
everybody
for
collaborating
on
this.
A
B
I
said
between
this
committee
and
council:
there's
no
council
today.
Okay,
any
further
comment,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
aye,
all
those
opposed,
any
abstentions.
Okay,.
B
We
will
move
on
then,
and
that
brings
us
to.
I
guess
we're
almost
done
with
the
meeting
hs2.
E
J
I'm
quite
certain
that
councilman
member
kelly
recommends
and
staff
definitely
recommends
with
the
implementing
regulations.
Cook
county
did
its
ordinance
in
two
I
mean
they
did
the
amendment
in
two
pieces.
They
did
the
ordinance
and
they
referred
to
the
implementing
regulations,
and
that
was
a
way
of
just
doing
it:
kind
of
getting
the
the
just
housing
ordinance,
amended
and
approved,
and
then
working
out
the
details.
J
We
worked
with
kapha
the
chicago
alliance,
fair
housing
organizations
to
incorporate
those
implementing
regulations.
So
it's
all
in
one.
They
actually
said.
If
we
did
not
incorporate
the
regulating,
you
know
the
the
implementation
regulations,
then
it
would
actually
weaken
counties.
I
mean
it
wouldn't
support
it
the
same
way.
So
it's
very
important
that
that's
in
there
but
council
member
kelly
asked
that
we
include
the
the
first
version
that
had
been
done
just
as
a
backup,
so.
B
Okay,
then,
to
clarify
that
motion,
we're
we're
talking
about
79
022,
amending
title
five
chapter:
five:
fair
housing,
ordinance
with
implementing
regulations.
B
Is
there
any
objection
to
making
sure
I
think
everyone
we
knew
that
from
the
beginning?
That's
what
we
were
voting
on
all
right,
good,
good,
to
go.
Okay!
It
brings
us
to
our
last
item
on
the
agenda
tonight,
which
is
the
discussion
on
and
you
know,
considering
a
vote
but
on
the
public.
Nudity
ordinance
may
have
emotion.
E
B
It
just
so
moved
okay
seconded
by.
B
All
right
all
right,
so
this
is
continued
discussion
regarding
the
our
public
nudity
ordinance,
and
so
we
have
a
memo
from
our
from
council
and.
B
I
have
a
question,
so
council
price,
it's
it's.
It's
been
said
that
our
ordinance
is
defensible.
Is
that
and
that's
the
stance
of.
E
Correct
so
you
asked
us
to
do
a
deeper
dive.
Julie
was
here
last
time,
julie,
tavendorf
my
partner,
and
so
we
took
away
from
that
asking
us
to
do
a
deeper
dive
on
the
defensibility
of
evanston's
ordinance
as
it's
currently
written
under
both
federal
law
and
the
united
states
constitution
and
the
constitution
of
the
state
of
illinois.
E
We
concluded
that
in
doing
that
that
the
original
conclusion
drawn
by
the
law
department
that
it
is
defensible
remains
in
particular,
under
both
the
federal
cases
that
have
even
some
more
recent
ones,
there's
one
outlier
on
the
federal
side
on
the
10th
circuit,
but
otherwise
these
ordinances
have
been
found
defensible
on
the
equal
rights
amendment
side,
that
that
being
the
state
of
illinois
side,
we
don't
have
any
cases
on
point
in
illinois.
E
So
we
look
to
other
states
and
one
of
the
questions
you
raised
chairman
reid
was
the
standard
of
review
and
the
standard
review.
There
are
three
there's
strict
scrutiny:
intermediate
scrutiny
in
a
reasonable
basis.
The
cases
for
other
states
that
have
equal
rights.
Amendments
similar
to
illinois
have
been
either
intermediate
scrutiny
or
in
one
case
the
lilly
case.
Out
of
new
hampshire
was
reasonable
basis,
so,
in
that
world
of
case
law
we
believe
evanston's
ordinance
if
challenged
would
survive
under
those
historic
cases.
B
E
Well,
obviously,
these
cases
get
challenged
and
the
the
the
cases
aren't
all
that
old
so
and
there
was
lots
of
attention,
particularly
in
the
lily
case.
A
lot
of
people
said
that
that
was
wrongly
decided
in
a
number
of
ways.
I
think
that
the
attorney
general
here
in
the
state
of
illinois
has
been
active
under
the
equal
rights
amendment
so
yeah.
I
think
that
there'd
be
some
lawyers
who
say
they
would
have
a
chance
maybe
to
to
of
prevailing,
but
and
under
the
case,
laws
that
exist.
We
think
evanston
has
a
defense.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
one
of
the
questions
in
in
that
was
asked
was
our
ordinance
only
recognizes
a
a
binary
as
far
as
sex,
and
so
it
only
recognizes
that
it's
either
male
breast
or
female
breast,
and
so
in
a
can.
Can
you
talk
about
a
bit
about
the
definition
there
and
how
this
might
apply
to
someone
who
is
a
part
of
the
trans
community.
E
Well,
that's
that's
the
challenge
that
that's
the
cutting
edge
of
the
challenge.
In
the
lilly
case
in
new
hampshire,
there
were
a
number
of
briefs
filed
on
this
very
particular
point.
What
what
does
what
does
it?
What
is
a
female
breast
is
that
dna
is
that
self-identity?
Is
it
morphology
physiology?
E
There
were
in
some
of
the
briefing
eight
different
variants
of
what
it
could
mean
to
be
a
female
breast
and
how
it's
identified
for
enforcement
purposes,
and,
in
light
of
the
hobby
lobby
case
in
illinois,
I
would
say
that
that
the
hobby
lobby
versus
somerville,
which
was
the
the
case
about
protection
for
the
transgender
community
in
illinois
under
the
equal
rights
amendment
that
this
and
this
isn't
part
of
the
historic
review
of
cases.
That's
in
our
memo.
E
E
E
I
just
would
tell
you
that
it.
It
assumes
a
binary
sort
of
foundation
in
what
is
now
a
non-binary
world.
B
E
E
B
B
So
is
that
is
that
I
mean
you
just
said
on
the
flip
side
that
someone
who
identifies
as
a
woman
would
have
as
a
female
would
have
female
breast,
and
so
likewise,
on
the
opposite
side.
Are
we
saying
that
someone
who
identifies
as
a
male
would
have
male
breast
and
thereby
be
able
to
go
topless
in
public.
B
Yeah,
I'm
kind
of
backing
away
from
whether
or
not
it's
constitutional
that
will
be
decided
we'll
see
in
in
the
future
when
if
this
is
challenged
or
not
in
court,
but
just
as
a
matter
of
law
to
make
sure
that
folks
out
in
our
community
have
a
clear
understanding
of
what
their
rights
are
and
are
not
in
this
current
moment,
the
way
our
ordinance
is
written.
B
B
B
And
how
do
we?
I
would
like
to
tighten
this
ordinance
up
and
to
make
it
crystal
clear
what
we're
talking
about.
So
there
is
an
ambiguity
for
folks
who
are
trained,
and
so
do
you
have
any
suggestions
on
how
we
might
maybe
better
define
this
ordinance
to
achieve
that.
E
Well,
if
so,
you're
looking
nobody's
looking
to
do
away
with
a
ban
on
nudity
or
lewd
acts
actually
is
really
what
we're
after
and
so
the
way
other
communities
along
the
shoreline
here
of
lake
michigan
have
done.
It
is
focused
on
the
lewd
activity
that
advances
the
ball
only
slightly,
I
think
in
terms
of
of
of
helping
in
with
an
enforcement
case,
and
the
issue
is
a
family.
E
So
that's
the
experience
you're
looking
to
gain
at
the
same
time,
you're
looking
to
recognize
the
rights
of
the
trans
community
that
in
terms
of
how
they
identify
and
then
the
rights
that
come
with
that
some
communities
have
defaulted
to
the
lewd
standard.
That's
one
way
you
could
do
it
places
north
of
here
have
done
that,
for
example,
up
the
up
the
coastline.
E
There
are
a
number
of
recipes
for
prohibiting
nudity
on
the
beach
and,
at
the
same
time,
navigating
the
myriad
of
rights
for
people
in
terms
of
a
gender
fluid
society.
There
are
ways
to
do
it.
I
don't
have
a
particular
favorite.
That's
not
my
job.
My
job
nick's
job
is
to
find
a
way
to
do
what
you,
the
policy
makers,
want
us
to
do.
B
Thank
you.
So
what
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
see
if
we
can
come
back
with
a
addre.
B
You
mentioned
beach
there,
and
I
want
to
note
because
this
has
been
covered
incorrectly,
a
lot
about
you
know
being
regarding
topless
beaches
and
it
our
ordinance
makes
no
mention
of
beaches,
and
I
just
also
want
to
highlight
the
fact
where
you
said
that
our
our
neighbors
to
the
north
skokie
kenilworth
glencoe
lake
forest,
we'll
met
wineca.
B
None
of
those
cities
have
an
ordinance
like
ours
that
that
that
specifies
gender
as
a
as
a
binary,
and
still
in
my
you
know
humble
opinion-
is
a
violation
of
of
focuses
of
human
rights
to
you
to
to
equal
protection
under
the
law,
and
so
I'd
like
us
to
re
visit
this
or
or
come
back
with
a
draft
that
that
maybe
better
addresses
that
standard
council
cummings
good.
K
Evening,
members
of
the
human
services
committee
nicholas
cummings
corporation
council.
What
would
be
helpful
is
what
was
suggested
by
the
chair
of
the
parks
and
rec
board
in
2010,
when
the
current
version
was
passed
on
the
books,
there
were
recitals
included
in
the
ordinance
where
the
city
council
had
findings
that
determined
that
it
was
against
the
safety,
morals
and
welfare
of
the
city,
and
that
was
in
2010.
B
So
you
know
eliminating
the
gender
binary
and
including
the
lewdness
is
that
so
you're
saying
both
your
office
and
council
prices
office
is
recommended.
That
is
a
as
an
alternative.
K
So
the
suggestion
is
that
you
can,
you
can
state
the
purpose
of
the
statute.
The
ordinance
is
to
curtail
lewdness
and
we
could
draft
the
ordinance
to
closer
more
closely
mirror
state
law.
The
problem
is
that
with
enforcement,
as
council
price
just
mentioned,
because
you
requires
police
in
whomever
to
evaluate
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
to
determine
if
it
is
for
lewd
or
sexual
gratification,
it's
very
subjective
at
that
point,
it's
very
difficult
to
enforce.
If
you
want
to
do
it
that
way,
but
that
is
a
suggestion.
Yes,
yes,.
B
And
that
is
given
that
our
neighbors
and
I've,
given
the
list
a
bunch
of
times,
glenn
coke
kennel
worth
skokie
wilmette
waneka
lake
forest-
do
not
have
this
ordinance.
They
use
that
standard
that
pretty
much
the
state
standard.
Is
that
correct.
K
I
I
couldn't
tell
you
I,
when
I
originally
did
the
research
on
this.
I
did
not
look
into
our
communities
in
the
neighboring
north
believe
that
maybe
anselblink
did.
I
can
only,
but
we
do
agree
in
that.
The
council
needs
to
drive.
K
If
the
purpose
of
the
ordinance
is
to
curtail
lewdness
and
sexual
activity,
then
yes,
we
can
revise
the
ordinance
to
to
reflect
that.
But
2010
has
recitals
that
say
it's
taught.
It
talks
about
specifically
about
the
safety,
morals
and
general
welfare
of
the
city.
So
that
would
be
the
other
alternative
is
to
for
the
city
council
to
talk
to
its
constituents
and
come
up
with
the
rationale
for
the
ordinance
that
we
could
have
in
recitals
and
and
maybe
draft
a
different
ordinance
to
your
liking.
B
E
E
D
Well,
I
did
look
at
what
our
neighboring
communities
do
about
this
issue
and
they
all
couch
it
in
terms
of
decency,
so
they
all
have
codes
that
talk
about
barring
people
from
public
places
not
properly
or
decently,
clothed
or
greatly
offending
the
public,
morals
or
decency.
So
they're,
it's
you
know
very
going
to
be
very,
very
subjective.
B
More,
I
think
what
happened
before
2010
for
my
memory
of
the
legislative
history
is
that
in
2010
or
2011
whenever
was
amended,
it
added
to
allow
women
to
breastfeed
in
public.
D
D
It
was
more
than
the
breastfeeding
comment,
so
I
well
I
I
guess
I
would
just
like
to
say
that,
based
on
the
input
I've
been
getting
from
emails
and
comments
and
conversations
with
all
kinds
of
people
and
I've
been
hearing
from
residents
that
are
people
I've
never
heard
from
before,
and
I
would
say
overwhelmingly
the
public
sentiment
that
I've
been
hearing
is
they
don't
want
to
have
any?
They
don't
want
to
see
this
changed.
D
The
cur
our
current
code
reflects.
Our
current
standard
in
the
community
is
what
I'm
hearing.
B
Great,
our
current
code
reflects
that
we
don't
recognize
gender,
that
we
only
recognize
the
gender
binary.
Some
and-
and
I
do
want
to
note
that
you
know
in
in
polling
and
statistics
when,
when
you
the
way
this
has
been
framed
to
the
public
has
mostly
been
through
evanston
now,
which
is
do
folks
want
nude
beaches
or
topless
beaches,
and
it's
a
very
different
framing
than
I
think
if
there
was
a
deeper
discussion
and
my
experience
is
as
the
person
who
put
this
forward.
B
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
emails
and
folks
reaching
out
to
me,
and
quite
often
some
of
those
folks
are
initially
very
much
against
it.
But
when
I
respond
to
them
and
give
them
the
full
framing
eighty
percent
of
folks
or
so
maybe
twenty
percent,
just
don't
respond
back,
but
other
folks
respond
back
in
the
sale.
I
I
didn't
know
that
this
that's
what
this
was
about.
B
You
know
just
like
it
was
mentioned,
burglars
tools
and
as
if
this
body
is
promoting
folks
to
have
lock
picking
tools,
there's
confusion
out
there
and
we
all
know
as
folks
who
voted
on
this
stuff,
that
what
the
lock
picking
tool
item
was
about
was
our
ordinance
was
unconstitutional
and
found
so
in
1970,
and
we
had
to
revise
it.
B
B
This
I'm,
as
I've
stated
from
the
beginning,
I'm
fine
with
making
everyone
put
their
shirts
on,
but
not
having
a
double
standard
for
folks
who
identify
as
male
or
female
and
and
making
sure
that
we're
living
up
to
the
modern
standards
I
mean.
B
If
we
went
back,
you
know
60
70
years,
people
might
say
it's
against
the
community,
our
community
standards
for
two
men
to
walk
down
the
lake
front
and
embrace
each
other
and
kiss
each
other,
because
that
could
the
kids
think
about
the
kids,
they
could
offend
the
kids
if
they
see
two
men
kissing
in
public,
and
I
think
we
can.
You
know
we
say
all
the
time
that
we
trust
women
to
make
decisions
about
their
bodies.
I
think
we
can
trust
women.
B
All
right
we
are
ready
to,
I
think,
we're
ready.
I
think,
if
we're
recording
again.
B
All
right
we're
ready
to
resume.
B
With
all
committees,
members
back,
we
are
resuming
the
committee
meeting
okay,
so
with
with
that
discussion-
and
I
just
wanted
to
hear
from
councilmember
revell
and
then
move
this
where
it
ever
needs
to
go
or
not
go.
My
apologies.
B
Were
you
supportive
of
mirroring
what
our
north
shore
neighbors
have
as
their
ordinance.
D
Guess
my
cons,
I
mean
that
would
be
fine
with
me.
I
guess
I
just
I
worry
that
that's
going
to
be,
you
know,
subject
to
interpretation
and
difficult
to
enforce.
So
I
I
don't
know
what
you
know
how
people
feel
about
that.
B
Well,
I
think
in
the
in
the
interim
one.
I
think
this
should
be
at
the
suggestion
of
my
colleague
here,
referred
to
equity
and
empowerment
commission,
to
to
take
a
look
at
this
for
with
an
equity
lens,
as
well
as
for
us
to
have
an
opportunity
to
gather
information
from
our
neighboring
communities.
Who
seemingly
don't
have
an
issue.
B
You
know
we
haven't
heard
at
least
I've
never
read,
and
I've
done
some
research
about
some
toplessness
issue
and
and
when
eckhart
will
met
or
or
glencoe
or
lake
forest,
and
so
I
think,
reaching
out
to
those
departments
and
understanding
how
they
enforce
the
public
nudity
laws.
Given
that
they
do
not,
you
know,
dictate
a
a
gender
binary.
B
I
think
it's
helpful
and
I
just
want
to
note
why
I
think
this
is
important
because
you
know,
as
as
we
move
forward
in
time,
just
as
the
supreme
court
recently
with
with
row,
the
returning
of
rowan
casey
looked
back
and
said:
hey,
there
are
all
of
these
laws
in
the
you
know
in
the
1800s
and
1700s
that
did
not
recognize
the
rights
of
women
to
control
their
own
bodies.
B
You
know
50
60
70
100
years
from
now,
some
court
could
look
back
and
say:
hey.
There
have
been
laws
for
hundreds
of
years.
That
did
not
recognize
that
you
know
there
could
be
non-binary
folks,
and
I
would
I
think
many
evanston
residents
would
would
be
appalled
if
there's
you
know
some
future
justice
alito.
B
You
know
100
years
from
now
that
you
know
pointed
to
evanston's
ordinance
and
said
hey,
even
in
progressive
evanston,
they
did
not
recognize
that
folks
could
identify
as
other
than
male
or
female
or
that
you
know
that
they
created
some
ambiguity
around
gender
identity,
and
so
I'd
like
us
to
look
at
this
through
an
equity
lens.
I'd
like
us
to
look
at
this.
B
As
you
know,
in
the
way
that
fort
collins
unfortunately
had
to
look
at
it,
which
is
their
taxpayers,
were
put
on
the
hook
for
over
300
some
odd,
I
think
maybe
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
expenses
to
defend
this
ordinance-
and
I
think
we
can
we
can.
We
can
do
a
bit
better
and
write
this
in
a
way
that
is
is
is
more
in
alignment
with
our
true
values
and
and
step
away
from
this
whole
idea
that
it's
about
topless
beaches
or
any
of
that.
J
B
Because
that's
not
what
it's
about,
and
I
think
that's
why,
in
my
experience
when
I,
as
I
said
when
I've
communicated
with
residents,
that's
why
folks
have
been
confused
about
it
and
that's
why
folks
are
against
it
because
they're
like
what
the
heck
are
you
doing.
You
know
my
ultimate
of
the
eighth
ward.
You
know
trying
to
promote
topless
beaches
and
that's
not
what
this
is
about.
This
is
about
gender
equality.
This
is
about
avoiding
litigation,
whether
it's
defensible
or
not,.
G
B
It's
about
making
sure
that
we're
we're
not
having
to
spend
money
on
it
in
any
regard
and
bring
us
an
alignment
with
our
north
shore
neighbors
and
our
what
I
believe
are
our
actual
community
values
of
you
know
recognizing
the
full
gender
spectrum
and
letting
folks
identify
as
they
as
they
are.
So
with
that
made,
I
have
a
motion
to
send
this
to
equity,
empowerment,
council
member
burns.
A
E
Right,
it's
an
it's
called
an
opinion
for
a
reason.
It's
I
mean
it's
not
we're
not
dealing
in
science
here
in
terms
of
a
mathematical
precision
that
I
can
tell
you
what
guarantee,
what
the
outcome's
going
to
be.
It's
a
function
of
the
current
state
of
the
law.
The
current
value
is
being
recognized.
I
you
know
changed.
G
A
E
Don't
think
I've
ever
been
in
the
opinion
that
something
was
a
slam
dunk
ever
35
years
of
doing
this?
Okay,
so
I
I
but
I
will
say
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
mean
chairman
reed-
does
have
his
finger
on
the
fact
that
the
state
of
illinois,
the
law,
is
evolving
around
the
non-binary
transgender
community
and
protections.
Our
attorney
general
has
been
aggressive
and
joined
almost
every
amicus
curie
brief.
E
He
can
join
in
support
of
an
of
the
trans
community
across
across
all
sorts
of
briefing,
and
we
have
hobby
lobby
to
deal
with
and
and
historically
the
cases
that
we've
read
and
that
show
what
evanston's
got
on
the
books
is
defensible.
E
A
And
then
councilman
reed,
although
this
is,
has
been
coined
the
topless
beach
ordinance.
This
is
considered
stoplessness
in
all
public
places,
correct
or
just
the
beach
in
all
public
places.
Yeah.
I
will
make
the
referral
what
I
will
ask
both
from
our
media,
specifically
media
and
evanston,
but
but
really
all
media
and
certainly
committee
members
who
who
volunteer
their
time
to
one
of
our
boards,
committees
and
commissions,
is
just
to
please
moving
forward
on
issues.
A
Take
your
time
to
understand
what
is
being
proposed
because
and
I've
said
this
a
few
times,
people
ask
me:
oh
what's
the
hardest
part
about
the
job
most
of
it,
I
knew
was
coming
the
hardest
part
about
this.
Job,
though,
is
struggling
with
misinformation
in
the
community,
and
I
would
I
can't
expect
you
know,
a
resident
to
not
spread
rumors
in
the
way
rumors
spread.
But
what
I
will
ask
is
our
media
and
our
committee
members
to
p.
Please
take
the
time
to
understand
what
the
proposals
are
about
meet
with
the
council.
A
Members
meet
with
staff,
because
what
I
heard
from
our
corporation
council
today
had
nothing
was
not
just
was
not
about
centered
around
toplessness
at
beaches,
and
yet
that's
what
we
heard
that
public
comment.
That's
what
we've
seen
in
the
newspapers
and
I
think
it's
irresponsible,
and
I'm
saying
that,
as
as
as
a
colleague
and
as
someone
that
I
want
you
to
hold
me
accountable
and
and
push
me
to
do
better
and
be
more
thoughtful
about
issues.
A
I
think
it
is
incredibly
irresponsible
for
our
media
and
any
member
of
a
board
committee
and
commission
to
be
advancing
misinformation
in
the
community.
We
already
have
too
much
of
it,
and-
and
this
is
a
body
as
as
far
as
my
experience,
what
I've
experienced
that
is
always
willing
to
meet
and
explain
where
they're
coming
from.
So
I
will
recommend
that
this
be
referred
to
our
equity
and
empowerment.
Commission.
B
Moved
by
council
member
byrne
seconded
by
councilmember
revell
for
this
to
be
forwarded
to
the
equity
and
empowerment
commission
for
equity
review,
all
those
in
favor
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions,
more
time
for
public
comment,
no,
no!
No!
No!
No!
No!
What
I'm
saying
is
more
time
for
public
comment
on
this
issue.
Another
opportunity
for
public
health.
Now,
right
now,
I'm
saying
equity,
empowerment,
commission
is
what
I'm
saying.