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A
A
This
is
welcome
to
the
Human
Services
committee
meeting.
The
date
is
Monday
November
7th
2022.,
and
we
will
proceed
with
the
meeting
I
believe
we
have
a
quorum.
Do
we
have
anybody
online
or
is
everybody
here
in
person
anybody
online.
A
So
but
we
do
have
a
quorum
so
we'll
move
forward
with
our
business,
starting
off
with
approval
of
minutes
of
the
regular
meeting
from
September
6th.
If
I
can
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes,
I
moved
to
approve
minutes,
recording.
A
E
A
A
All
right
and
the
minutes
are
approved
so
we're
moving
along
to
presentations.
We
have
a
presentation
from
the
Arts
Council
and
it's
accepting
place
on
file,
so
we
have
Toby
sacks
good
to
see
you
Toby.
F
Thanks
very
much
great
to
see
everybody.
This
is
my
third
time
reporting
to
the
Human
Services
committee
on
what
the
Arts
council's
been
up
to,
but
it
will
be
my
last
reporting
I'm
handing
over
the
chair
to
Melissa
Molitor
just
now
this
month
and
the
vice
chair
to
Christoph
Fabian
de
Castro.
But
thank
you
very
much
for
the
time
and
the
opportunity
to
tell
you
what
we've
been
up
to.
First
of
all,
who
we
are,
there
are
12
of
us
we're
a
mix
of
visual
theater,
music
artists,
galleries,
fundists
Consultants.
F
Six
of
the
group
identifies
bypoc,
six
of
them
identify
as
women
and
what
I'll
briefly
take
you
through
today
and
really
I'll
take
only
five
minutes
is
some
re-articulation
of
our
vision
that
we've
been
through
as
a
process.
This
year,
the
progress
we've
made
on
building
our
budget,
how
we
use
that
money
in
our
grants
and
finally
to
invite
you
to
our
party
purpose
vision
and
values,
is
something
that
we
spent
some
considerable
time
articulating
this
year.
F
Our
purpose
is
that
we
nourish
and
build
an
inclusive
community
where
creative
expression
thrives
and
the
Arts
flourish.
We
Empower
and
amplify
artists
and
arts
organizations
as
Community
Builders
and
change
makers,
and
we
support
diverse
forms
of
expression
and
provide
Equitable
access
to
the
Arts,
and
that
builds
to
a
vision
where
we
see
the
Arts
as
Central
to
an
equitable,
sustainable
City,
where
authentic
and
diverse
creative
voices
are
accessible
to
all,
where
artists
are
supported,
Thrive
and
are
recognized
as
fundamental
to
a
healthy
and
engaged
Society.
F
F
We
value
the
voices
of
artists
to
enrich
lives
and
move
Society
forward,
and
we
believe
that
the
Arts
are
a
vital
reflection
of
our
humanity
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
a
wonderfully
thriving
and
flourishing
art
sector
in
the
city.
Just
a
very
few
of
the
wonderful
events
that
have
gone
on
this
year,
all
of
which,
of
course,
and
many
more-
that
we've
supported
with
our
grant,
making.
F
Can't
do
it
without
money,
and
our
budget
last
year
was
50.
000
and
I
was
given
some
Stern
advice
by
this
group
that
it
would
be
very
good
if
we
could
bring
in
some
more
money
to
augment
City
funds
and
I'm
pleased
to
say.
We've
had
some
success
with
that.
F
We've
built
the
budget
very
much
with
the
staff's
help,
of
course,
to
almost
three
hundred
thousand
and
the
components
there:
a
grant
from
the
Everton
Community
Foundation
from
The
Good
Neighbor
racial
Equity
Fund,
a
significant
amount
of
ARP
funds,
not
out
of
the
42
million,
but
through
the
National
Endowment
of
the
Arts
flows
down
through
that
a
new
grant
that
we've
never
had
before
from
the
Nea
two
grants,
rather
than
one
from
the
Illinois
Arts
Council
and,
very
importantly,
your
contribution
and
within
that
21
000
flows
back
to
the
city
to
fund
some
of
the
staff
supports
that
we
receive
and
appreciate
so
we've
had
some
success
there
and
we
very
much
will
aim
to
keep
up
those
efforts.
F
How
have
we
spent
it?
Well,
we've
really
reimagined
our
grant
effort
programs
throughout
the
pandemic.
We
overhauled
the
cultural
fund
grant
our
annual
Grant
to
reflect
the
issues
of
the
pandemic,
but,
very
importantly,
a
heightened
focus
on
racial
Equity,
taking
the
lead
from
the
council
and
the
dice
here
and
with
input
from
our
Equity
working
group
to
make
the
grants
more
inclusive.
We've
now
offered
those
grants
to
Community
Arts
groups
and
individual
artists,
as
well
as
501c3s
we've
streamlined.
F
The
the
process
of
applying,
and
probably
the
most
important
single
thing
is
that
we've
firmly
announced
that
applications
from
bipoc
organizations
and
programs
serving
underserved
communities
will
be
favored.
The
judging
panels
are
predominantly
bypoc
and
we've
doubled.
The
Grant
Pool
from
30
over
doubles
from
thirty
thousand
to
seventy
thousand
of
that
money.
Over
80
percent
in
the
last
two
years
went
to
organizations
of
color
or
programs
serving
underserved
communities
and,
very
importantly,
over
25
percent
of
it
went
to
first-time
applicants.
F
We
were
very
keen
to
be
broadening
the
pool
of
the
people
we
serve
as
well
as
continuing
to
support
the
people
that
we've
known
for
for
longer.
We've
added
new
Grant
programs,
because
we've
had
extra
money.
Our
community
resiliency
through
the
arts
program,
is
funded
from
that
racial
Equity,
Fund
and
fuels
Partnerships
between
Social
Service
organizations
and
the
Arts.
F
We
gave
it
this
year
to
Kurtz
Cafe,
the
Center
for
Independent
Futures
connections
for
the
homeless,
you
and
Emerson
Latinos,
and
each
of
those
has
a
ten
thousand
dollar
artist,
residency
forwarding
their
mission,
but
through
ART,
and
we're
in
conversation
with
Dave
Davis
about
hoping
to
make
that
an
ongoing
program
and
ARP
money,
as
I
say,
flowing
down
through
the
National
Endowment
from
the
Arts,
but
135
000
into
General
operating
dollars
to
help
the
Arts
organizations
recover
and
15
000
towards
our
city
staff
costs.
F
There
were
only
three
communities
in
Illinois
who
got
this
grant
Chicago,
Rockford
and
ourselves.
So
with
the
lead
that
we
get
from
the
city
and
all
the
things
that
are
going
on
here,
we
can
make
a
pretty
strong
case
for
why
we
use
our
money.
Well,
we've
got
big
plans
for
next
year.
We
have
a
public
art
commission
for
South
Fountain
Square
to
celebrate
the
black
history
of
Evanston
and
honor.
The
black
experience
we've
got
a
hundred
thousand
of
that
money
secured.
F
So
far
and
we've
applied
for
another
hundred
thousand
matching
funds
in
the
our
town
program
from
the
Nea.
If
we
get
that
money
we'll
be
able
to
fund
a
year
of
enrichment
programming
as
well
as
the
ongoing
permanent
artwork
and
the
decision
for
the
Nea
will
come
in
April,
so
I'd
ask
you
to
keep
your
fingers
crossed
with
us
for
that.
The
most
important
thing
I
have
to
say,
and
the
reason
really
I
come
back
every
year.
F
Is
this
last
one
that
it's
the
city's
financial
support
that
is
absolutely
vital
to
us
gaining
these
grants
that
we
now
actively
pursue
from
other
places.
Many
of
them
are
straightforwardly
matching
grants.
So
every
dollar
that
you
put
in
from
the
general
fund
is
matched
four
times
over
by
further
matching
grants,
but
even
money
like
the
Nea
upper
money,
I,
don't
think
we
would
have
got
had
we
not
been
able
to
demonstrate
that
we
have
strong
Civic
support
for
the
programs
that
we're
running
so.
Lastly,
I
set
up
a
brief.
F
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
continued
support.
It's
greatly
appreciated
and
please
come
to
our
party
our
annual
event,
a
bright
night
for
the
Arts.
Only
four
thousand
of
our
total,
nearly
300
000
budget
goes
to
anything
other
than
grants
and
a
little
bit
of
it
goes
to
our
our
one
party,
a
year
bright
night
for
the
Arts
at
Studio.
Five
next
to
Dance,
Center
Evanston
on
Dempster
Plaza
it'll,
be
on
Saturday.
F
The
19th
of
November
we'll
be
presenting
the
mayor's
awards
for
the
Arts,
which
were
the
winners
were
announced
today.
We'll
have
an
arch
showcase,
so
we'll
have
live
performances
from
of
both
song
and
dance
and
it's
fun.
It's
free
and
everyone
is
very
welcome,
particularly
this
group.
So
that's
as
much
as
I'll
take
you
through
in
the
packet.
F
A
Thank
You
Toby
yeah:
let's
open
it
up
for
any
questions
or
comments.
Councilmember
Harris.
C
Buttons
to
push
and
switch
so
thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation
as
a
parent
of
a
child
that
was
completely
an
athlete
and
then
a
parent
of
a
child
who
had
no
athletic
ability
and
found
her
passion
for
acting
and
the
Arts
I
appreciate
that
we
have
other
alternatives
for
our
community
and
our
youth
to
participate
in
so
I
greatly
appreciate
the
Arts.
Thank
you
for
the
invitation
to
the
party,
and
just
so
you
know,
November
19th
seems
to
be
a
very
busy
day,
because
that
is
the
NAACP
event
as
well.
F
C
G
F
We
weren't
writing
grants
until
this
year,
so
we
put
considerable
effort
into
that.
We
work
with
the
staff
we
tend
to
take
on
the
narrative
part
of
the
staff
that
do
a
great
deal
of
sort
of
the
administrative
piece
of
it
and
we've
had
a
strong
story
to
tell
had
we
not
been
living
that
purpose
that
you
see
at
the
front
there
I
don't
think
we
would
have
done
nearly
as
well
with
the
competitive
grants.
It's
just
my
view.
H
I
just
want
to
add
my
voice
to
the
excitement.
Well,
I
was
not
expecting
quite
quite
the
jump
so
really
kudos
to
you
and
the
full
Arts
Council
and
the
staff
who
staff
the
Arts
Council.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
You
next
up,
we
have
a
public
comment
and
everyone
will.
A
Everybody
will
have
two
minutes,
starting
with
Bonnie
Wilson.
I
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
tonight.
I
am
Bonnie,
Wilson
I
live
in
the
First
Ward
and
I've
been
a
real
estate
agent
in
Evanston
for
38
years,
so
I
understand
the
need
for
affordable
housing
in
Evanston.
I
also
live
the
across
the
street
from
Raymond
Park
I
have
seen
people
sleeping
in
the
park
during
the
summer
months,
I've
had
homeless
people
sleeping
on
the
foyer
of
our
building,
plus
incidents
of
using
our
parking
lot
as
a
bathroom
I
feel
very
strongly
that
the
clients
of
connections
should
have
their
place
to
live
a
place.
I
They
could
call
home
would
be
so
much
better
for
them
and
the
community,
so
they
can
have
a
bed
to
sleep
in
food
to
eat
and
their
own
bathroom
I
happen
to
see
the
rooms
at
the
margarita
Inn
many
years
ago,
when
it
was
rehabbed
as
a
hotel.
I
have
not
seen
the
rooms
again,
but
I
did
take
a
tour
recently
and
I'm
sure
that
not
much
have
changed
in
those
apartments.
I
Having
worked
with
connections
and
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing
for
many
years,
I
believe
that
they
do
a
great
job
running
their
operations,
while
I'm
not
sure
a
license
is
actually
necessary.
The
license
proposed
tonight
seems
to
be
a
strong
one,
one
that
will
hold
connections
accountable
without
imposing
restrictions
that
would
make
them
less
effective.
I
J
So
I'll
have
to
kind
of
edit
on
the
Fly.
This
has
to
do
with
an
incident
that
I
was
involved
in
with
the
Evanston
Police
Officer,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
edit
this.
There
was
a
you:
have
the
information
in
my
case,
I,
believe
in
your
packet,
and
there
were
two
issues
that
I
wanted
to
address,
because
I
think
we
have
to
evolve
into
policies
and
procedures
for
the
police.
J
The
first
one
was
this
particular
officer:
either
lied
or
made
a
mistake
to
the
court
in
seeking
an
order
of
protection
against
me
in
a
dispute
in
the
neighborhood.
He
essentially
told
the
court
that
I
lied
and
wait
in
my
home
looked
out.
The
window
saw
him
and
rushed
out
to
confront
him.
I
think
that
was
a
lie.
J
He
told
the
investigation
that
it
was
a
mistake
that
he
assumed
that
that
was
the
case,
and
my
question
is:
are
we
going
to
allow
police
officers
trained
police
officers
to
even
if
you're
charitable
and
say
that
that
was
an
assumption
to
put
that
in
a
court
record
without
any
consequences,
it
obviously
would
have
influenced
a
judge
and
again
he
eventually
admitted
that
he
made
an
assumption.
The
police
investigation,
although
essentially
defending
the
officer,
you
know
backed
up
the
the
idea
that
it
was
a
physical
impossibility
for
me
to
see.
J
All
right
and
the
set
the
second
policy
that
I'd
like
to
see
the
police
and
the
folks
that
oversee
him
was
commander
glue
during
the
police.
Review
Committee
said
that
the
reason
that
this
particular
police
officer
was
in
the
alley
as
he
was
investigating
a
crime
on
several
incidences.
Well,
the
crime
he
claims
to
be
investigating
was
one
that
he
was
a
victim
of.
J
So
I
guess
I
want
to
finish
by
saying:
do
we
truly
want
to
give
sworn
officers
of
the
law
and
out
when
they
either
lie
or
be
in
charitable,
assume
and
put
into
an
official
court
document
a
significant
bit
of
totally
wrong
information,
so
inflammatory
that
it's
bound
to
put
somebody's
record
spotless
record
with
the
blemish?
And
finally,
why
do
we
want
police
officers
to
be
allowed
to
investigate
the
cases
they're
claiming
to
be
victims
in
and
if
you
believe
this
incident
is
a
minor
thing?
I
can
certainly
accept
that.
A
J
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Next
up,
we
have
John
cleave.
A
K
And
not
Jonathan
to
you
as
well.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
letting
me
speak.
I'm
talking
about
hs2
I
was
here
in
in
July.
We
had
a
conversation,
I
think
the
last
time
that
Human
Services
met
I
I've,
looked
at
this,
the
proposed
revisions
to
the
to
the
ordinance
there's
some
some
major
flaws
in
it
and
and
the
reason
that
I'm
bringing
these
flaws
up
is
because
Jonathan
himself
said
this.
K
You
know
this
is
an
unprecedented
social
experiment
and
we
have
to
do
this
right
right
and
so
part
of
doing
this
right
is
to
set
the
stage
where
the
city
can
ensure
that
everything
is
running
in
a
way
that
that's
beneficial
to
the
city,
to
the
residences
and
to
the
to
the
businesses
in
the
Neighbors
in
the
downtown
and
there's
a
lot
of
weaknesses
in
the
way
that
the
proposed
revisions
were
spelled
out.
A
couple
of
them
that
I'll
bring
up
is
it
expressly
allows
alcohol
consumption
on
the
premises.
K
A
substantial
number
of
homeless
have
substance,
abuse
issues.
This
is
condoning
it
and
it
seems
to
me
that
it's
an
anathema
to
trying
to
get
them
in
a
position
of
stability
where
they
can,
they
can
live
permanently
in
a
place.
K
It
doesn't
spell
any
requirements
for
the
operator
to
provide
mental
health
and
substance
abuse,
services
and
I
know
that
connections
plans
to
do
it,
but
if
there's
any
retraction,
if
the
arpa
money
runs
out
and
there's
a
reduction
in
donations
that
they're
receiving
this
doesn't
require
them
to
maintain
an
appropriate
ratio
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
counseling
to
service
the
population
that
they
have
in
there.
There's
not
a
word
about
that.
K
It
asks
that
the
applicants
to
submit
guidelines
for
admission
linkage
and
Social
Services
procedures
for
handling
misconduct
and
so
on,
but
it
doesn't
say
they
have
to
follow
them.
There's
nothing!
There's
no
language
in
there
that
actually
all
they
have
to
do
is
submit
it
as
part
of
the
application,
and
then
it's
done.
There's
no
provision
in
there
to
ensure
that
they're,
following
through
the
very
guidelines
that
they
submitted
and
it
was
approved,
there's
no
limits
on
length
of
stay,
and
ultimately
we
realize
that
you
know
10
months
is
a
target.
K
It
may
go
longer
than
that.
But
if
you
have
somebody
there
for
two
or
three
years,
you're
denying
somebody
on
the
wait
list
a
chance
to
try
to
get
in
there
and
and
better
their
lives,
it
I
don't
understand
why
you
wouldn't
have
say
a
12
month
or
14
month,
ceiling
on
the
thing
just
just
to
make
it
fair
for
the
residents
who
wish
to
be
inside
of
it.
The
reporting
requirement
is
is,
is
basically
non-existent.
It's
very
vague
in
there.
K
It
doesn't
spell
out
things
like
the
percent
of
evidence
in
Residence,
even
though
it
had
said
at
the
beginning
of
it
that
you're
supposed
to
do
a
preference
for
that
it.
It
doesn't
have
things
like
the
the
pers,
the
success
ratio
of
percent
placement
and
evictions,
average
length
of
stay
and
other
data
and
Betty
and
I
met
a
few
weeks
ago.
Spoken
about
this
and
I
was
very
clear
to
her.
That
that's
something
that
the
neighbors
want
to
see.
We
want
to
send
and
Bobby
you
and
you
and
I
spoke
on
the
phone.
K
Right,
yeah,
yeah,
so
I
was
informed
by
Jonathan
tonight
that
you
guys
are
delaying
the
vote
on
that,
which
is
great.
I,
do
believe,
I'm
going
to
hand
this
out
and
I
think
that
there
should
be
some
serious
changes
to
what
was
written
in
order
to
make
sure
that
the
city
has
the
safeguards
that
they
need
in
order
to
do
what's
right.
L
L
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know,
Niles
Township
received
their
notices
of
increase
last
week
and
single-family
homes
went
up
something
like
an
average
of
40
percent
and
I
think
in
Evanston.
We
can
look
forward
to
the
same
thing:
I
I,
I've,
Been
Told.
L
That
connections
does
not
want
to
pay
real
estate
taxes,
and
that
to
me,
is
a
non-starter
I.
Did
some
quick
math
based
on
what
I
understand
that
connections
is
paying
for
the
margarita
and
based
on
the
Assessor's
level
of
assessment
of
25
percent,
the
equalization
fact
factor
of
3.2
and
assuming
a
nine
percent
tax
rate
that
quantifies
to
576
thousand
dollars
in
real
estate
taxes
that
will
not
be
paid
and
I.
Think
in
Evanston
we
have
an
inordinate
amount
of
Institutions
that
don't
pay
real
estate
taxes
and
we
can't
afford
anymore
and
and
and.
M
L
Don't
know
why
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
a
good
neighbor
agreement.
I,
don't
know
why
this
isn't
one
of
the
first
things,
I
mean
basically
they're
saying
that
they
shouldn't
have
to
pay
real
estate
taxes,
but
everybody
else
does
it's
not
fair
I,
also,
lastly,
I
don't
see
and
I've
never
seen,
and
nobody
I
know
has
seen
any
kind
of
an
economic
impact
agreement
that
should
be
right
up
there.
L
On
top
we'd
like
to
see
a
report
from
a
third
party
entity
setting
forth
that
there
are
no
negative,
no
substantial
negative
impact
economically
to
the
neighborhood
and
to
the
city.
Thank
you
again
for
your
time.
Thank.
A
You
Don
Dirks
is
up
next.
N
Thanks
very
much
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
me
as
I
lived
next
to
John
cleeve.
A
lot
of
our
concerns
are
the
same,
but
there
are
a
few
things
that
that
I'd,
like
to
point
out
one,
is
in
the
ordinance
that
we
went
through
they've
removed
any
kind
of
condition
for
a
register
of
residents
at
the
or
occupants
at
the
facility
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
established
and
re-established
in
the
in
the
ordinance.
N
That's
by
eliminating
the
requirement
it
pretty
much
lays
the
groundwork
to
become
a
safe
haven
for
anyone
wishing
to
hide
from
authorities,
for
whatever
reasons
that,
in
cooperation
in
in
addition
to
the
need
to
have
full
cooperation
with
Public
Safety
officers
ought
to
be
spelled
out,
are
articulated
in
the
ordinance
you
don't
want
to.
They,
they
hold
up,
there's
a
condition
that
the
homeless
Bill
of
Rights
says
they
can
refuse
to
identify
people
there.
N
That
can
go
a
little
bit
too
far.
The
permanent
residents,
the
ordinance
States
it's
not
to
provide
a
permanent
residence,
but
fails
to
Define
what
permanent
is.
What
does
that?
What
term
of
what
term
makes
that
permanent?
N
To
me
over
a
year
seems
to
be
pretty
permanent
if
that,
then
in,
in
fact,
if
people
stay
there
for
a
year
two
years
and
so
forth,
does
that
change
the
legal
status
of
the
shelter
we'd
like
to
see
an
absolute
ban
on
weapons,
an
articulated
ban
on
weapons
being
there
and
and
also
a
regular
inspections
to
ensure
that
no
weapons
are
being
kept
on
premises
at
an
impact
study?
N
A
Next
up,
I
think
this
is
Susan
Calder.
Is
it
Susan.
O
Suzanne
Calder
and
I
am
a
fourth
word
resident.
I
live
about
two
and
a
half
blocks
from
the
margarita
Inn
I,
frequently
walk
on
Oak
Street
and
down
Grove
Street,
probably
almost
on
a
daily
basis.
O
I
would
first
of
all
like
to
congratulate
the
city
and
its
staff
for
developing
this
license
ordinance.
It
sets
out
clear
guidance
for
the
health
and
safety
of
those
living
in
non-congregate,
shelter,
temporary
shelter.
It
gives
guidance
to
The,
Operators,
presently
present
ones
and
hopefully
future
operators
that
support
our
vulnerable
population.
O
O
O
It
was
overwhelmingly
adopted
by
the
the
council
and
two
of
the
items
that
the
council
and
the
city
were
to
address
was
an
increase
in
the
number
of
Supportive
Housing
units,
and
this
certainly
Margarita
Inn
is
certainly
one
of
those
it
also.
O
The
margarita
in
is
a
blueprint
for
the
National
Standard
of
net
of
housing,
first
model
and
the
housing
first
model
was
called
for
in
that
report
as
well,
and
it
requires
that
people
should
have
a
stable
roof
over
their
heads.
A
key
to
their
door
and
food
security.
O
A
You
thank
you,
the
next
up
Eric.
B
B
If
you
put
in
Albany
care,
is
now
I'm
sure
everybody's
heard
they're
now
able
to
lift
them
out
of
resins.
They
have
in
their
I,
think
they're
down
to
232.
They
can
go
up
to
400..
We
don't
even
know
what
the
effect
that's
going
to
have
around
our
community.
You
have
no
idea.
They're
allowed
to
have
not
everybody
has
background
checks,
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
there
that
probably
shouldn't
be
in
that
community
in
our
in
our
you
know
in
our
community.
B
So
we
have
no
idea,
plus
we
have
a
police
staff
that
is
well
understaffed
and
now
we're
going
to
put
another.
How
many
people
in
you
know-
and
we
don't
have-
we
don't-
have
inspections
on
normal
buildings
every
year,
because
we
don't
have
a
staff
to
do
it.
How
are
we
going
to
inspect
this
building?
You
know
the
margarita
and
who
are
clearly
Bad
actors
on
a
regular
basis
won't
be
able
to
and
how
we
can
have
the
teeth
if
they
are
violating
it
to
enforce
it.
B
A
You
for
your
comments,
Rich
Eddington.
P
P
All
this
evening,
and
thank
you
for
the
courtesy
of
this
opportunity,
I
made
a
commitment
to
several
individuals
that
I
would
come
by
and
speak
from
my
perspective
on
the
proposed
changes
for
the
margarita
and
my
comments
will
be
broken
into
two
sets.
First
of
all,
the
conduct
and
mindset
of
connections
for
the
homeless
first
of
all,
I
think
that
they
have
a
very
difficult
time
in
in
forcing
rules
and
maintaining
order.
That's
not
in
their
wheelhouse
they're,
very
good
at
the
charitable
work.
P
P
We
seem
to
have
more
difficulty,
I
think
two
that
their
their
conduct
today,
their
Reliance
on
the
Bill
of
Rights
for
the
homeless
act
they're
using
as
a
shield
to
prevent
them
from
enforcing
any
type
of
code
of
conduct
or
standards
of
conduct
for
their
clientele
in
the
downtown
area.
I
think
this
is
counterproductive
to
the
city
of
evanston's
goals.
P
First
of
all,
the
City
of
Evanston
is
a
financial
supporter
of
the
north
light
inn
you,
you
can't
expect
people
to
drop
two
hundred
dollars
for
theater
tickets
be
subjected
to
a
gauntlet
of
pain,
handlers
and
come
back
ever
again.
You
get
one
chance
to
make
a
good
impression.
I,
don't
think
this
is
going
to
help
I.
P
Think
too,
we
need
to
look
at
the
the
cost
of
this
deal
and
once
again,
kind
of
outside
the
city's
purview,
but
something
that
I
would
hope
you,
as
decision
makers,
would
consider
I
as
a
contributor
to
connections
for
the
homeless's
through
charity.
Events
like
Taste
of
Evanston
I
am
perplexed
that
we
would
want
to
spend
money
on
brick
and
mortar
instead
of
services.
We
can
replicate
the
same
number
of
units
for
substantially
less
cost
elsewhere
and
turn
that
money
into
Direct
Services.
P
Lastly,
I
want
to
touch
on
the
current
state
of
your
Police
Department.
First
of
all,
you
have
an
excellent
Chief
I'm
thrilled
that
she's
here,
but
she's
still
short
a
considerable
number
of
people.
You
already
have
several
locations
of
high
needs
populations,
Albany,
Care,
Greenwood
care,
the
rice,
Center
and
the
methadone
clinic
I,
don't
know
that
your
Police
Department
can
sustain
another
height
needs
location.
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
attention.
It
was
very
nice
to
see
you
again
thanks
Steve.
A
No
Aaron
Brown,
okay,
those
do
we
have
Christine
Kramer,
Christine,
Kramer
and
person
online.
Can
you
hear
me,
okay
and
I
think
that
is
all.
Q
Hi
good
evening,
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
nifred
halim
I'm,
not
an
Evanston
resident
I
work
in
Evanston
and
I
am
most
familiar
and
did
the
majority
of
my
work
as
a
younger
person
in
the
eighth
board
and,
with
time
have
gotten
to
know
the
Dynamics
and
specifics
of
the
different
wards
we
own
and
operate
the
building
next
to
connections
I
very
briefly,
I'm.
Sorry,
next
to
the
margarita,
Inn
I
did
briefly
read
the
proposed
language
and
I
would
like
to
bring
up
two
points.
Q
The
first
point
that
I
have
a
problem
with
is
the
fact
that
this
line,
This
ordinance
specifically
calls
for
people
who
have
an
existing
relationship
with
the
city.
I,
don't
think
that's
appropriate.
Q
We
started
our
business
as
immigrants,
we
had
no
relationships
and
we
managed
to
grow
a
big
business
through
meritocracy
and
hard
work
and
I.
Think
it's
unacceptable
to
have
it
be
a
requirement
in
legislation
that
you
work
with
an
entity
that
has
an
established
relationship.
I
personally
find
that
super
offensive
and
contrary
to
best
practices.
Q
The
second
thing
I
would
like
to
say
is
just
concerning
my
business.
Is,
you
may
know,
I'm
in
the
work
of
apartment
building
management,
we
manage
a
number
of
units.
There
are
certain
professions
that
are
very,
very
deeply
regulated.
One
of
them,
we
all
know,
is
the
medical
field.
The
business
field
in
real
estate
is
exceptionally
regulated.
We
are
audited
all
the
time.
I
have
to
go
to
continuing
education
for
my
license,
I'm
licensed
through
the
state
as
a
broker.
Q
Everyone
who
works
in
my
domain
is
expected
to
try
to
stay
in
compliance.
We
follow
laws,
we
have
attorneys.
We
spend
a
lot
of
money
studying
to
make
sure
that
we
do
things
correctly.
I
do
not
understand
the
relationship
with
the
people
who
are
in
the
building
and
the
owner
of
the
building.
When
we
have
a
person
living
in
our
building,
we
have
a
lease
agreement
with
them.
They
are
our
tenant.
We
are
our
landlord.
We
are
their
landlord
when
we
have
an
issue
with
them.
It
comes
through
our
contractual
relationship.
Q
I,
don't
understand
how
there
can
be
three
strikes
and
you're
out.
What
does
that
mean
where
what?
What
does
it
mean
to
be
out
if
I
as
a
landlord
want
to
evict
somebody
I
go
through
the
courts?
I
have
to
file
a
paper,
I
go
to
the
sheriff.
I
go
to
the
judge.
There
is
procedure
for
me
to
follow.
There
are
just
I,
just
don't
put
people
on
the
street
I,
don't
understand
anything
about
how
that
works.
Q
I
did
read
a
statement
from
connections
that
they
and
it
could
be
wrong
that
something
about
15
percent
of
the
population
who
enters
into
their
program
I'm
not
going
to
use
the
correct
terminology,
but
I
guess
does
not
graduate
to
the
next
level
that
they
that
they
fail
right,
that
they
somehow
don't
get
placed
in
permanent
housing
and
end
up
back
in
the
streets.
So
what
does
that
mean
to
that
15?
Are
they
back
in
the
streets
unsupervised?
Are
they
I
mean?
Q
R
A
Get
paid
for
a
few
comments.
Thank
you.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
Aaron
Brown
is
trying
to
make
a
comment
online.
He
and
did
not
receive
the
link.
So
I
sent
a
a
quick
email
to
our
city
manager
to
see
if
he
can
send
him
a
link.
So.
A
M
A
S
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
I'm
standing
here
today,
solidly
in
support
of
connections
for
the
homeless.
In
my
ward
in
the
fourth
ward,
I
am
a
fourth
ward
resident
and
homeowner
and
I
stand
in
solidarity
with
the
staff
of
connections,
which
I
think
is
incredible
and
top-notch
talent
that
we
are
very
fortunate
to
have
in
this
city.
S
I
also
stand
in
solidarity
with
some
of
the
more
unfortunate
residents
of
our
community
who
make
up
part
of
the
fabric
of
our
society,
I'm
very
chagrined,
to
hear
the
lack
of
compassion
in
this
room
tonight,
because
it's
not
what
I
think
that
our
city
is
made
of
it's
not
what
we
aspire
to.
It's,
not
what
was
in
the
resolution
that
was
passed
by
City
Council
in
2019
to
be
an
anti-racist
City
because,
of
course,
part
of
what
we're
talking
about
or
not
talking
about
today
is.
S
This
is
a
issue
that
has
to
do
with
racial
equity,
and
we
can
tell
that
by
the
numbers
and
the
percentages
of
people
who
are
being
served
by
connections
last
year
over
86
percent
I
believe
somewhere
near
the
99
Mark
were
people
of
color
who
need
to
be
taken
care
of
in
this
town
and
who
need
to
be
rescued
in
terms
of
our
social
service.
S
This
is
not
the
Evanston
I
know.
This
is
not
the
Evanston
we
can
be.
This
is
not
the
Evanston
we
aspire
to.
I
know
that
my
council
member
nusma,
has
done
incredible
amounts
of
research.
He
has
found
precedence
in
neighboring
cities
like
Oak
Park,
and
we
have
been
able
to
look
at
models
like
Rockford,
where
the
mayor
wanted
to
eliminate
homelessness
into
my
personal
opinion
that
any
homelessness
that
we
have
in
the
City
of
Evanston
is
too
much
homelessness
and
I'm.
S
Putting
my
trust
in
the
research
that
I
know
my
council,
member
who
I
elected,
has
already
done
I
support
the
research
that
he
has
done
to
know
that
this
can
be
successful
and
I
expect
that
he's
representing
me
in
this
way,
I'm
very
hopeful
and
optimistic
that
you
Commissioners
will
make
this
a
reality.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
consideration.
Thank.
A
You,
okay,
we're
going
to
move
forward.
Thank
you
for
public
comment.
We
are
going
to
move
forward
to
items
for
consideration.
Can
someone
move
hs1,
please
remove.
A
Right,
it's
been
properly
moved,
but
councilman
Reed.
Is
there
a
second
seconded
by
councilmember
Harris?
Did
everybody
review
the
dates?
G
Yeah
well,
I
just
had
one
question
about
the
July
date.
What
what
is
the
City
holiday
going
to
be
for
the
July
4th.
A
T
T
Memories
of
the
Human
Services
Committee,
just
looking
at
the
July
2023
calendar,
that
Monday,
which
is
the
the
third
I
believe,
should
be
the
the
meeting
there's
a
holiday
on
July
1st,
which
actually
falls
on
a
Saturday,
so
I
believe
it
should
be
correct.
Given
that
the
meeting
falls
on
the
third,
because
that
was
that
was
was
stated
in
the
memo,
I
believe.
A
All
those
in
favor
of
the
2023
Human
Service
committee
meeting
dates
indicate
with
saying
aye
aye
any
Nays
all
right.
If
you
guys
have
it
hs2
Can
someone
move
hs2,
please.
G
A
Right,
it's
gonna,
properly
moved
by
councilmember
bravel
seconded
by
councilmember,
headicartis
and
I.
Think
ultimately,
we've
been
asked
to
to
table
this,
but
because
we
have
everyone
here,
I
think
it
is.
It
makes
sense
to
still
discuss
it.
Who
wants
to
start
us
off
with
questions
comments.
U
Thanks
everybody,
and
thanks
to
our
legal
department
and
director
ogbo,
for
doing
the
work
on
this
ordinance.
What
we
said
all
along
is
we
want
to
take
our
time
and
make
sure
we're
doing
this
right.
Part
of
doing
that
right
is
making
sure
it
fits
in
the
right,
bureaucratic
structure
and
I.
U
Guess
that's
why
we're
holding
it
tonight
at
staff's
request,
I'm,
not
sure
if
Council
Cummings
is
going
to
weigh
in
to
explain
that,
but
that
gives
us
some
more
time
to
focus
on
the
details
and
I
would
like
to
talk
about
those
details
a
little
bit.
We
don't
have
a
template
here.
We
are
figuring
this
out
in
in
the
absence
of
of
looking
at
another
Community,
that's
doing
exactly
what
we're
doing
so
we're
doing
it
our
way,
we're
doing
it
uniquely.
U
We
know
that
the
op
kind
of
operation
that
we
need
margarita
in
to
be
is
successful
in
other
communities
and
I'm
looking
at
Oak
Park
here,
if
they
can
do
it
in
Oak
Park,
we
can
do
it
here
in
full
context.
This
license
ordinance
is
one
of
three
legs
of
kind
of
regulatory
oversight
that
we're
putting
in
place
here.
The
other
two
legs
are
the
zoning
process
and
the
special
use
process
connections
for
the
homeless
has
submitted
their
special
use.
Application.
U
That's
going
to
the
land
use
committee
on
November
30th
and
the
Third
Leg
of
the
spec
of
the
the
oversight
is
a
good
neighbor
agreement,
and
so
I'd
like
to
thank
all
of
the
neighborhood
stakeholders
who
have
taken
their
time
to
contribute
to
developing
an
agreement
that
I
hope
will
establish
Mutual
expectations
between
connections
and
the
neighbors,
and
also
establish
some
some
lines
of
communication.
U
The
regulatory
oversight
really
belongs
in
this
license
agreement,
and
so
I
would
like
to
speak
to
some
of
those
details
which
some
of
the
neighbors
have
have
have
brought
to
you
this
evening.
U
Okay
I
want
to
talk
about
the
alcohol
policy,
and
this
is
something
that
I've
struggled
with
I
completely
understand
the
argument
for
allowing
alcohol
in
the
building.
That
argument
is
if
people
are
going
to
be
drinking,
it's
better
to
have
them
drink
in
the
building
than
on
the
street.
U
However,
if
we
look
at
Oak
Park
as
our
example
of
a
community
in
which
this
is
really
working
without
much
Community
consternation,
you
know
Park,
my
understanding
is
they
have
a
no
alcohol
in
building
policy.
I
would
like
that
to
be
considered
here
in
Evanston.
If
we're
looking
for
ways
to
do
this
right
and
we're
looking
at
the
one
community
that
has
something
so
similar
that
you
know
we
we
kind
of
silly
not
to
look
very
closely
at
how
they're
doing
it.
I
would
like
to
have
a
no
alcohol
policy
considered.
U
So
that
is
maybe
something
that
this
committee
could
discuss
tonight.
The
other
details
that
Mr
cleave
and
Mr
durkee's
mentioned
I
think
we
have
time
to
maybe
follow
up
on
some
of
those
and
and
beef
up
the
ordinance
in
that
regard,
I
like
to
close
out
by
saying
that
what
we're
doing
here
at
the
margarita
Inn
and
what
connections
is
doing
in
in
the
margarita
and
is
complementary
to
other
work
that
we
need
to
be
doing
at
the
city.
It
doesn't
replace
it.
U
It's
not
the
same
thing
it's
related,
but
we
at
the
city
have
to
do
a
better
job,
addressing
quality
of
life,
issues
addressing
public
safety
issues,
downtown
addressing
issues
with
the
unhoused
homeless,
addressing
issues
with
panhandling,
both
allowable
panhandling
and
aggressive
panhandling.
We
need
to
do
more
to
make
Evanston
a
welcoming
environment
for
visitors,
a
welcoming
place
to
do
business
for
business
owners
that
are
here
and
business
owners
that
are
coming.
U
We
do
have
a
lot
more
to
do
and
we
are
working
on
that
council
member
Burns,
uni
councilmember
Kelly
have
a
meeting
on
Friday
to
talk
about
ways.
We
can
really
kind
of
ramp
up
our
response
to
some
of
these
social
issues.
Downtown
and
I
want
to
make
sure
the
community
understands
that
we're
not
shirking
that
responsibility.
We
acknowledge
that
problem.
It
is
a
serious
problem
that
we
do
need
to
fix,
and
it's
on
us
as
as
City
officials
to
fix
that
that
work
is
very
important.
U
A
Thank
you
any
other
comments,
a
question
from
committee
members,
councilmember
Ravel,.
G
Well,
I
appreciate
councilmember
news,
mentioning
of
the
alcohol
policy
because,
as
currently
drafted,
it
would
change
the
policy
for
a
Hilda's
place
which
does
not
allow
alcohol
and
and
then
and
then
there's
also
the
question
of
smoking,
because
I
think
this
allows
smoking
in
throughout
the
throughout
the
building,
and
that
would
say
do
the
same
for
Hilda's
place
and
I.
Think
at
Hilda's
Place
smoking
is
restricted
just
to
designated
areas.
G
So
I
do
think
that
the
alcohol
piece
for
sure
needs
to
be
needs
to
be
addressed
and
and
I
guess.
The
question
is,
is
calling
is
dealing
with
the
margarita
in
as
a
temporary
homeless,
shelter
the
best
title
for
that,
because
I
thought
we
were
I
thought.
The
idea
was
that
it
was
going
to
be
considered
a
rooming
House
of
some
sort.
So
I
I
don't
know.
Maybe
that's
going
to
get
clarified
for
us
when
the
when
this
comes
back
to
us.
A
U
I'm,
not
a
lawyer
and
certainly
not
a
land
use
attorney
so
take
my
oh.
These
are
I
brought
the
wrong
notes,
but
to
specifically
to
council
member
revell's
point
the
way
this
was
drafted,
fit
into
the
the
existing
ordinance
for
temporary
overnight
shelters.
U
It
makes
sense
for
the
language
to
appear
not
in
the
temporary
overnight
shelter
section,
but
in
the
rooming
house
section
of
city
code,
which
I
believe
is
title
five's
chapter
something
rather
than
title
eight,
so
that
is
I
I
think
when
this
comes
back
to
this
committee
next
month
or
at
your
next
meeting,
it
will
be
essentially
the
same
text
with
if
we
do
decide
to
make
changes
to
the
details,
but
in
a
different
section
of
code.
So
it
aligns
with
the
land
use
commission's
previous
determination.
H
Thank
you
I
appreciate
the
public
comment
on
both
sides
of
this
issue
and
I
certainly
appreciate
councilman
renusma
and
all
that
he's
done
to
to
make
this
work
here
in
Evanston
in
in
his
Ward,
and
that
certainly
takes
leadership,
and
it
takes
courage
to
to
to
to
stand
up
and
to
make
try
to
do
this
right
and
not
just
shut
it
down.
H
I
do
have
some
concern
about
the
proposal
to
to
essentially
bar
alcohol
from
the
building
and
I
think
it
comes
from
a
place
that
aligns
with
what
the
community
wants.
I'm
trying
to
hear
your
concerns
and
I
think
about
the
folks
who
are
near
Albany
care
and
I.
Remember
hearing
from
councilmember
news
from
my
complaints
about
folks
from
Neighbors
in
his
community,
about
who
who've
said
that
you
know
folks
are
going
out
in
the
park
across
the
street
and
smoking
cigarettes,
and
you
know
that's
maybe
what
a
park
is
used
for.
H
You
know
people
occupy
the
park,
but
it
is
somewhat
concerning
for
some
folks
and
now
I
think
I've
read
recently
that
Albany
care
is
adding
a
second
floor
deck
or
something
where
folks
can
go
out
on
the
deck
and
remain
in
the
building
and
or
in
the
building,
but
outside
and
smoke
cigarettes
as
not
to
spill
over
into
the
park
across
the
street
and
so
I
wonder
here.
H
Would
you
rather
folks
consume
alcohol
in
the
privacy
of
their
own
room,
or
would
we
rather
folks
feel
like
they
need
to
go
outside
and
you
know,
stand
out
on
the
street
or
wherever
they'd
go
and
consume
alcohol
there?
You
know
because
they
don't
want
to
risk
their
housing
and
so
I.
Certainly,
you
know
as
I
consider
that
I
here,
councilman,
brunusma
and
I
do
trust
the
research
of
what
a
park
has
done,
but
I'd
certainly
want
to
hear
more
from
some
connections
from
other
experts.
H
Folks
who
deal
with
addiction
directly-
and
you
know
wonder
if
that's
just
the
best
approach
to
achieve
the
ultimate
goal,
which
is
to
have
that
behavior
not
become
a
nuisance
to
other
folks
right.
If
folks
are
dealing
with
addiction,
we
want
to
help
them,
but
we
want
to
try
to
mitigate
the
nuisance
of
their
addiction
to
anyone
else,
and
so
I
I
just
want
to
move
with
caution
on
that
one
bit
of
policy,
but
otherwise
I'm
supportive
of
the
measure,
as
is.
A
And
I
guess
just
to
follow
up
on
that.
I
would
like
to
see
the
research,
because
I'm
not
sure
that
Oak
Park
even
put
that
in
place
because
of
Any
research.
They
could
have
done
it
for
a
number
of
reasons
and
so
I
think
at
the
next
meeting.
I
just
would
like
to
see
the
research
to
me.
It
makes
sense
if
you
had
that,
coupled
with
like
a
zero
substance
use
policy
that
would
make
sense.
It's
like
no
one.
A
You
know
that
no
participants,
you
know,
shall
be
under
the
influence
of
any
you
know.
Legal
substance
and
therefore
right
consuming
alcohol
on
the
premises
is
is
prohibited.
That
would
make
sense
to
me,
but
without
that
you
know,
I
think
I
lean
more
towards
I
think
what
councilman
Reed
is
saying
that
they
will
continue
to
drink.
They
just
won't
drink
on
the
premises,
and
so
then,
where
would
they
drink?
A
A
C
Again,
I
have
buttons,
and
so
I'm
good.
So,
yes,
I
do
think
we
have
to
move
cautiously,
not
expeditiously
and
make
sure
that
we
are
protecting
all
aspects
of
our
city
and
our
town
and
our
people.
As
someone
stated
in
the
back,
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
in
the
business
of.
C
Doing
the
wrong
thing,
we
want
to
do
the
right
thing,
so
I
want
us
to
move
accurately
being
new
to
the
council,
the
emails
that
I
have
now
started
to
receive
from
both
sides.
C
It's
not
overwhelming,
but
it's
interesting
to
see
all
the
perspectives
having
a
degree
in
human
services
and
substance
abuse,
counseling
I
do
find
it
troubling
for
the
drinking
on
site
and
not
having
for
sure
wrap
around
services
and
making
sure
that
we're
working
with
the
addictive
process,
not
just
saying
we
don't
want
people
to
drink
in
the
seat
in
the
streets
that
we're
working
on
the
core
issues.
So
for
me,
the
greatest
concern
is
having
wraparound
Services,
making
sure
that
we
have
the
social
services.
C
A
A
Just
to
continue
along
with
that
and
I,
don't
know
if
connection
is,
is
here
and
prepared
to
speak
to
respond
to
questions,
but
you
know
following
Along
on
that
topic
about
mental
health
and
substance.
Use.
A
You
know,
programs
within
the
connections.
Can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
that
I
think
there
was
a
question
of
staff
ratio
to
participants
and,
and
that
not
being
a
part
of
the
license.
But
can
you
speak
a
little
bit
about
because
I
think
the
what
was
suggested
is
that
some
of
that
programming
is
not
currently
happening.
I
think
what
was
said
is
that
connections
is
working
on
it,
but
it's
not
in
place.
Yet.
R
Correct
Betty
bogg
for
the
homeless
side
program
officer,
Tina,
White
Tina.
Do
you
want
to
come
up
here
with
me?
So
Tina
has
more
on
the
ground
details
but
councilmember
Harris,
I'm
I.
What
you're
saying
resonates
deeply
with
me?
We
we
can
provide
you
with
research,
about
abstinence,
only
programs
and
how
they
are
not
effective
in
curbing
addictive
behaviors.
R
We
can
provide
you
with
that
separately,
but
you're
right,
we
can't
just
go,
have
addictive
behaviors
go
unaddressed
or
on
helped,
and
so
we
have
on
our
staff
currently
and
we're
not
talking
about
the
future.
This
is
all
right.
Now
we
have
a
on-site
nursing
staff,
licensed
nursing
staff
and
a
registered
nurse
who
is
also
Deployable
into
the
facility.
They
help
have
conversations
with
people
who
are
experiencing
addiction
issues
on
a
regular
basis.
We
also
have
two
full-time
mental
licensed
mental
health
professionals
professionals,
one
of
whom
is
on-site
at
the
margarita
full
time.
R
She
offers
behavioral
therapy
mental
health
therapy
directly.
Now
we
have
multiple
staff
who
are
working
on
housing
plans
with
each
resident.
That
is
a
mandatory
function
that
the
residents
have
to
comply
with
is
working
on
a
housing
plan
so
that
there's
not
a
permanency
to
their
to
their
residency
at
the
margarita
Inn.
The
thing
that
impacts
us
most
in
our
ability
to
find
housing
for
people
is
the
lack
of
Housing,
and
so
it
can
draw
on
for
quite
a
bit
for
people
who
especially
have
a
lot
of
barriers
to
getting
housed.
R
We
do
not
allow
if
it's
illicit
on
the
street.
It's
elicit
inside
the
margarita
Inn
we
just
to
be
clear,
councilmember
Revell.
We
are
not
allowing
smoking
throughout
the
building,
we're
complying
with
all
the
indoor
smoking,
all
those
smoking
ordinances
throughout
the
city.
We
do
not
allow
alcohol
consumption
in
any
public
area,
it's
only
within
the
privacy
of
people's
rooms,
and
we
offer
all
kinds
of
substance
use
recovery,
adjunct
therapies
for
people
who
are
ready
to
take
advantage
of
them.
Tina.
V
Sure
so
I
we
do
have
wrap
around
Services
currently,
so
we
have
behavioral
health
and
medical
staff
and
case
managers
and
the
management
team
working
together
to
coordinate
care,
so
that
is
already
in
place.
I
want
to
speak
a
little
bit
about,
so
we
actually
have
very
robust
Services
for
an
emergency
shelter
program.
V
Much
more.
We
actually
have
more
services
than
housing
forward.
This
program
does
we
have
more
staff?
We
have
credentialed
staff,
we
have
licensed
clinical
social
workers
as
well
as
nurses
and
other
licensed
staff.
I
want
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
alcohol
policy
and
I
really
appreciate
council
member
Burns's
point
about
evidence-based
practices
which
we
do
utilize.
V
So
we
make
decisions
based
on
evidence.
What
are
the
best
practices
of
our
funders
and
what
are
just
the
existing
best
practices
for
working
with
this
population?
One
is
harm
reduction
and
another
is
housing.
First,
it
is
very
likely
that
an
unintended
consequence
of
banning
alcohol
will
result
in
people
using
alcohol
outside
of
the
margarita,
which
no
one
wants,
including
us
a
couple
of
other
points
about
that.
V
It
makes
it
harder
to
engage
someone
and
substance
you
if
they
have
a
dependence
or
abuse
issue.
They're
not
going
to
talk
about
it,
they're
not
going
to
bring
it
to
their
case
manager
because
they're
afraid
they're
going
to
lose
their
housing,
so
they're
just
going
to
be
quiet
and
they're,
either
going
to
self-select
to
exit
or
they'll
be
discharged.
I
also
so
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
housing
first
is.
It
focuses
on
behaviors
there's
many
people
who
use
alcohol
and
it
doesn't
result
in
an
adverse
behavioral
issue.
V
I'm
sure
there's
people
in
this
room
that
use
alcohol
and
it
doesn't
result
in
an
issue.
We
certainly
have
people
with
addiction
issues,
probably
close
to
half
the
our
residents
and
that's
because
it
correlates
very
highly
with
with
homelessness
but
there's
people
who
don't
use
alcohol.
So
many
of
our
participants
use
alcohol
and
it
doesn't
result
in
belligerent
Behavior
or
a
violent
Behavior.
We
already
have
a
policy
in
place
to
deal
with
that.
So
if
someone
behaves
in
a
way
that's
unsafe
for
the
community,
they
can't
stay
there.
V
V
V
A
There
was
a
another
piece
that
talked
about
not
being
able
to
ensure
ensure
compliance
by
connections
and
councilman
new
Smith.
Maybe
this
or
Council
Cummings
he's.
Not.
Here,
though,
can
help
with
this
I
mean
what
is
the
enforcement
mechanism
enforce
mechanism,
my
understanding
with
the
license
they
would
if
they
did
not
adhere
to
the
agreement
that
the
license
could
be
revoked
or
suspended.
So
could
you
explain
kind
of
the
enforcement
mechanism
around
this
license?
W
Good
evening,
members
of
the
Human
Services
committee
and
chair
Burns
Nicholas
Cummings,
Corporation
Council.
The
enforcement
mechanism
will
be
enforced.
The
health
and
human
services
department
through
inspections,
as
we
do
with
other
facilities
that
are
regulated
by
our
the
City's
health
code.
So
if
there
are
violations,
there's
options
for
fine
or
revocation
the
way
that
it's
written
now,
there's
lots
of
options
for
lack
of
renewal
or
revocation
of
the
license.
W
So
that's
how
the
license
would
be
enforced
in
terms
of
any
sort
of
violation
that
was
determined.
We'd
actually
have
to
be
subject
to
an
inspection
by
City
staff.
A
W
A
Hopefully,
that
captured
the
concern
for
one
of
our
public
commenters
about
enforcement
and
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
anybody
here
for
Property
Standards,
because
that's
that's
a
different
question
in
terms
of
you
know,
there's
a
fair
point
made
that
we,
the
city,
has
had
difficulty
doing
routine
inspections.
Currently,
how
do
they
plan
to
to
keep
up
with
inspecting
the
margarita?
In
so
I?
Don't
know
if
anybody
is
online
or
available
from
Property
Standards.
A
If
not
I
can
move
on
to
another
question,
but
that
that
is
a
question
that
I
have
can.
Can
you
connections
talk
a
little
bit
about
length
of
stay?
That's
something
that
has
come
up
a
lot
and
I
see.
Also
ratio
has
come
up
like
what
is
the
average
length
of
stay
or
any
other
information?
You
can
provide
us
on
to
understand
length
of
stay
and
how
you
treat
it
and
how
you
think
about
it
and.
R
Sure
length
of
stay
currently
is
dropping.
It
has
dropped
from
sorry,
I
think
it's
on
tall,
better
okay
length
of
stay
had
been
around
10
months
and
as
at
any
given
time,
there's
a
certain
like
demographic
snapshot
that
you
can
take
of
folks
at
the
margarita,
and
some
of
them
will
be
easier
to
house
and
others
will
be
harder
to
house,
so
it
has
dropped
from
10
months,
ish
down
to
eight
and
a
half
in
the
last
calendar
year.
R
I
believe
we
are,
as
I
said,
one
of
the
fundamental
mandatory
expectations
of
a
person
who
is
at
the
margarita
is
that
they
are
actively
working
on
their
housing
plan
depending
on
what
that
person's
barrier
to
housing
is.
Perhaps
they
have
a
severe
mental
illness?
Perhaps
they
have
a
criminal
background?
Perhaps
they
have
an
eviction
on
their
record
that
can
take
the
Avenue
of
housing.
Options
can
differ
based
on
their
income
based
on
their
disability,
based
on
the
length
of
time
they've
been
homeless.
R
R
And
then
this
is
not
the
place
that
they
can
stay.
So
there's
not
a
predetermined
length
of
stay
to
move
people
out.
We
have
to
have
individualized
discussions
with
folks,
I'm,
not
sure
I
don't
have
at
the
tip
of
my
fingers
the
longest
time
anyone
has
stayed
at
the
margarita.
I
can
tell
you
that
one
of
the
longest
was
a
woman
who
came
I
believe
on
the
first
day
we
opened
the
margarita
and
she
she
I
tell
the
story.
A
lot
she'd
been
on
chemotherapy.
R
She
was
sleeping
on
the
trains
and
it
took
us
two
years
to
get
her
a
correct
housing
solution.
So
she
didn't
have
behavioral
issues
we'd
put
her
on
the
street.
It
would
have
been
back
to
the
trains
and
trying
to
do
chemotherapy,
so
it
just
took
us
a
long
time
because
there's
just
a
very
a
severe
lack
of
housing
that
is
willing
to
accept
folks.
A
Are
there
any
metric
driven
Grant
stipulated
requirements
that
would
incentivize
connections
to
keep
someone
for
a
long
period
of
time,
the
same
person
for
a
long
period
of
time,
and
then
the
other
end
of
that
is
is
anything
that
would
benefit
you
actually
serving
new
participants?
That's
Grant
stipulated
our.
R
Grants
current
the
current
way
we
are
funded,
does
not
incentivize
or
de-incentivize
us
to
turn
through
a
certain
number
of
people
or
have
them
stay
longer.
What
we
want
to
report
to
our
funders
is
how
successful
we
are
at
getting
people
housed,
and
so
it's
less
based
on
the
length
of
time
than
it
is
on
that
ultimate
result.
Okay,.
M
A
I
thought
that
was
important
I
mean
obviously
people
may
think
there
are
other
motivation,
is
driving
it,
but
I
like
to
look
at
incentives
when
possible.
So
that's
why
I
asked
that
question.
Hopefully
that's
that's
helpful
to
some
going
back
to
the
real
estate
taxes
was
that
talking
about
property
taxes-
and
this
is
a
question
against
my
colleagues
or
the
the
real
estate
transfer
text.
What
was
I
think
was
property
taxes
being
referred
to.
Is
that
everyone's
understanding
that,
as
a
non-profit,
they
would
be
exempt
from
paying
property
taxes?
Okay,
that's
I'm.
T
I'll
have
to
refer
that
to
the
staff
or
Department
who
can
answer
that
question
I'm
on
the
certain
of
that.
R
Paid
Hotel
taxes
until
very
recently,
we
paid
them
to
the
Hilton
Garden
Inn.
We
paid
them
to
the
oriented
we
paid
them
to
the
margarita.
My
understanding,
it
sorry
I'm
not
in
the
mind
my
understanding
is
the
owner
has
not
pass
those
on
to
the
city,
but
we
have
receipts.
We
pay
those.
A
R
R
And
we
learned
that
and
again
not
a
lawyer
here
after
30
days,
any
hotel
tax
is
no
longer
gets
collected
by
the
operator,
but
we're
not
Hotel
operators.
A
I
was
going
to
say
the
big.
The
the
bigger
thing
is
that
it's
just
it
wouldn't
apply
it
at
that
point
right
and
then
I
think
property
taxes
in
a
correct
me
from
around
Council
Commons.
But
again
there
are
many
non-profits
that
are
afforded
property
tax
exemption.
Obviously
we
want
to
keep
that
to
a
minimal,
but
that
that
is
the
standard
as
far
as
I
understand
I'm
going
to
kick
it
to
council
member
Reed.
W
W
Respond
to
I
did
Council
Comics,
please
just
very
briefly,
you're
corrected
as
a
non-profit
the
building
being
owned
by
a
nonprofit.
They
would
likely
be
exempt
from
any
property
taxes,
but
I
am
unaware
of
any
exemption
for
our
home
rule
hotel
tax,
which
is
the
way
it's
written,
does
apply
to
rooming
houses
as
well.
H
R
H
H
Okay,
and
maybe
that's
the
exemption
when
you're
not
getting
rent
I
I
appreciate
what
I've
heard
today
I
think
we
have
really
good
direction.
Moving
forward
on
on
this,
you
know
I'm,
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
more
research
on
the
you
know,
the
efficacy
of
banning
alcohol
or
not
and
and
I
think
we
should
look
at
other
I
mean
I,
think
the
conversation
I'm
sure
councilman
will
continue.
H
The
conversation
with
the
community
to
you
know
really
get
to
the
heart
of
what
are
the
concerns,
and
how
can
we
best
address
those
concerns
which
I
think
we're
all
on
the
same
page
with
them.
A
This
this
was
the
time
afforded
to,
in
fact,
I
very
carefully
work
with
director
oboe
to
make
sure
that
everything
after
this
should
go
pretty
quickly.
Just
so
all
my
colleagues
up
here
know
so
we
can
set
aside
enough
time
for
this,
because
this
is
the
time
afforded
to
discuss
it.
Economic
impact
agreement,
councilman
new
smile,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
is
has
been
a
part
of
the
is
that
the
fourth
pillar.
A
A
So
this
is
about
the
I
think
it's
called
the
homeless
Bill
of
Rights,
but
I
know
you
had
an
opinion
that
that
may
differ
from
connections.
I
think
this
is,
you
know,
and
it
was
shared
with
me:
I
read
it
it
it's
a
short
little
section
that
I'm
unclear
on
what
it
means
and
and
I
know,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
worth
getting
an
additional
opinion
on
it,
because
because
it's
such
a
short
short
section,
that
really
doesn't
explain
itself
well.
But
if
you
want
to
share
your
thoughts
on
that.
W
Is
there
a
particular
section
of
the
rights
I
know
that
the
the
we've
had
discussions
with
connections
and
their
Council
concerning
the
ability
to
share
information
with
law
enforcement
and
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
that
happen.
Someone
one
of
the
public
commenters
did
mention
keeping
a
list
of
people
who
are
or
present
there.
W
That's
up
for
connections,
I
think
if
they
want
to
keep
that
for
their
own
own
reasons.
I
think
that's
their
will
within
their
rights
concerning
this
particular
statute
to
keep
such
a
list.
But
the
issue
comes
whether
they
need
to
share
that
list
or
what
they
can
share
with
law
enforcement.
We've
had
those
discussions
to
try
and
figure
out
a
way
to
make
that
work
where
they
can
share
information
with
our
Police
Department
and
while
we're
not
running
a
foul
of
the
Bill
of
Rights,.
A
And
that's
something
that
we
can.
We
can
address
down
the
road
again,
I
I!
Think,
because
there's
a
difference
of
legal
interpretation
and
I'll,
just
you
know,
address
you
councilman,
newsman,
I,
don't
know!
If
that's
something
where
we
want
to
get
another
opinion
on
that.
That
might
be
helpful
if
that
becomes
a
a
kind
of
a
sticking
issue.
M
W
W
It
might
not
even
be
that
serious
where
you
need
a
warrant,
sometimes
we're
just
sometimes
police
are
just
looking
for
certain
information,
because
they're
trying
to
find
a
person
of
interest
Etc,
but
there
are
some
real
concerns,
because
people
who
might
be
residents
of
the
of
of
the
margarita
Inn
might
be
trying
to
escape
domestic
violence
situations
or
some
other
sensitive
matters
that
that
would
put
them
in
real
Danger.
So,
in
addition
we
are.
W
We
are
a
public
entity
regulated
by
Sunshine
laws
of
the
state,
so
the
city
being
in
possession
with
that
information,
then
no
longer
makes
it
a
little
less
private.
So
there
are
some
some
real
concerns,
but
I
think
it's
it's
in
everyone's
best
interests
that
we
figure
out
a
way
to
allow
connections
to
work
with
Evanston
Police
yeah.
A
Because
I
think
in
one
I
want
to
I
think
there
has
been
examples
of
connections
working
with
the
Evanston
Police,
Department
I.
Think
really.
What
we're
talking
about
here
is-
and
this
is
where
I'm
still
unclear
on
is-
does
that
section
prohibit
them
from
confirming
whether
or
not
someone
has
taken
residency?
A
If
that's
the
legal
term,
when
the
you
know
of
participants
there
or
not
and
I
did
not
immediately
think
that
after
reading
it
I
think
connections
feels
that
way,
and
so
that's
why
I
would
love
to
to
to
to
get
because.
A
A
in
the
section,
it
says
like
clearly
that
you
don't
want
to
provide.
You
can't
provide
any
information
that
the
participant
has
provided
to
connections,
but
is
the
residency
itself
is
taking
residency
itself,
any
information
that
they've
provided
to
connections
or
is
that
just
they?
You
know
that
they
live
there.
So
there's
just
some
there's
some
legal
interpretation
questions
that
are
outstanding
for
me
personally
and
and
again,
I.
Don't
know
how.
If
that
becomes
a
sticking
issue,
we
just
have
to
figure
out
how
to
settle.
W
It
from
the
city's
perspective.
No,
it
is
not
like
whether
someone
is
residing
there
or
not
is
not
part
of
that
information
or
or
records
or
information,
but
we
have
a
differing
opinion
with
Council
for
connections,
so
we're
trying
to
work
with.
You
know
to
try
and
figure
out
a
resolution
to
be
able
to
Aid
our
Police
Department
in
their
investigations
in
acquiring
certain
information
that
we
can
actually
agree
on.
A
And
I
think
what
makes
it
difficult
is
in
Betty
and
I
were
talking
about.
This
too,
is
that
I
think
typically,
a
law
enforcement
officer
can
go
up
to
a
single-family
house
apartment
and
they
can
clearly
determined
for
themselves
by
just
the
what's
on
the
mailbox
or
what's
on
the
buzzer
who
lives
there,
you
know,
and
they
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
on
there,
but
they
have
a
direct
connection
to
them.
They
could
ring
the
doorbell,
they
can
knock
on
the
door.
A
Somebody
comes
to
the
door,
hey,
you
know,
I'd
like
to
we'd
like
to
talk
to
such
and
such,
and
they
even
say
hey,
get
a
warrant
or
or,
and
will
you
allow
us
in
and
they
either
they
either
say
yeah
you
can
come
in
or
you
I'm
willing
to
talk
to
you
or
they
don't
they
say,
go
get
a
warrant.
I
think
what
makes
this
different
is.
There's
like
this
middle
person.
That's
there
when
the
police
officer
comes
in
there's
no
names
on
the
doors
you
know,
so
you
can't
determine
without
knocking
on
every
door.
A
You
just
don't
know
who
what,
where
someone
lives
basically
and
you
wouldn't
find
that
out
until
you
knock
on
every
door
or
unless
you
know
connection,
is
willing
to
share
that
information.
So
I
think
it
is
it's
an
important
legal
interpretation
to
clarify
for
sure
again.
If
it
just
becomes
a
sticking
point,
customer
read:
I
saw
a
flash
I,
keep
saying
flashes.
Okay,
please
yeah
what.
R
We're
concerned
about
our
own
liability,
we're
concerned
about
the
privacy
of
the
Community,
sorry
of
the
residents
and
for
the
safety
of
the
community.
As
Tanya
said,
we
have
the
same
goal
in
mind
and
it's
kind
of
a
matter
of
how
we
do
it.
Just
so
you're
clear.
We
do
keep
a
list
of
people
that
are
in
the
facility
because,
obviously
we
have
to
know
who's
in
our
own
facility
and
we
have
agreed
to
an
inspection
of
those
records
by
the
city.
R
What
has
what
happens
normally
with
city
funding,
where
we
are
funded
with
pass-through
money
for
the
Tiba
program
for
cdbg
we
get
passed
through
money
and
the
city
is
able
to
come
out
and
inspect
those
records
on
site
as
part
of
a
monitoring
visit.
So
clearly,
if
the
city's
funding
anything,
they
can
come
on
and
inspect
our
records,
but
we
do
not.
They
are
not
taken
off-site
at
any
time.
Yeah.
H
Reed
yeah
I
think
we
all
want
to
make
sure
we're
protecting
the
Privacy
folks,
but
this
makes
me
think
of
you
know
other
business
records.
There
have
been
measures
that
I
have
supported
in
the
past
and
will
continue
to
support
that
would
require
businesses
to
turn
over
records
as
to
the
rate
of
their
employees
compensation.
So
the
you
know
some
enforcement,
so
enforcement
body
could
ensure
that
you
know
if
we
had
a
minimum
wage
ordinance
that
their
business
was
paying
the
proper
minimum
wage.
H
If
we
had
a
fair
Work,
Week
ordinance
to
make
sure
that
schedules,
and
so
there
certainly
are
laws
that
require.
You
know,
business
entities,
private
entities
to
maintain
certain
records,
and
so
I
just
wonder
if
this
was
a
condition
of
the
license
that
such
a
record
was
maintained
with
that
I
think
that
would
kind
of.
A
Council
comments:
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
share
any
thoughts
where
I
can
continue.
A
A
That's
easy
enough.
This
may
sound
silly,
but
somebody
brought
it
up
so
I
want
to
work
down
the
list
and
we're
almost
done
here
but
bunk
beds
came
up.
A
And
I
guess:
I
want
to
understand
why
that
matters
which
I'm
sure
it
does
I
just
I,
don't
know
enough.
A
First
floor:
okay
and
in
Council
comes
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
speak
to
this,
just
because
I
don't
we
typically
don't
take
comments
from
the
audience
which
is
fine
but
I.
Just
don't
want
to
set
the
precedent.
B
R
R
Sure
we
did,
we
were
informed
by
the
city
inspectors
that
we
could
not
use
that
as
a
sleeping
room,
and
so
we've
seen
excusing
it
as
a
sleeping
okay,
but
not
not
bunk
beds.
There
had
been
at
Hilda's
place
years
ago,
but
bunk
beds
are
not
safe
and.
A
Then
I
don't
know
if
Chief
Eddington
is
still
with
us.
He's
Chief
Eddington
had
a
question
for
him.
If
he's
still
with
us,
he
might
have
left.
A
He
just
talked
about
enforcing
that
connections
as
as
struggle
with
enforcing
rules
and
maintaining
order
in
in
the
downtown
facility
or
in
the
facility
and
I
just
I
wonder
if
Chief
Edinson
or
anyone
else
from
our
police
department
has
ever
shared
suggestions
on
how
you
may
improve
go
about
improving
that.
H
A
I'm
sorry
yeah,
that's
true:
yeah,
yes,
Richard
Eddington
who's,
our
former
police,
chief
and
interim
police
chief
sure.
R
A
To
set
this
up
just
in
case
we're
listening
is
because
I
think
at
this
point
we
should
just
I
would
hope
we
would
have
some
clear
recommendations
from
our
Police
Department
as
to
what
connections
could
do
to
improve
on
some
of
the
things
that
that
Richard
Eddington
outlined,
so
you
can
better
speak
to
it
and
if
any
of
our
Law
Enforcement
wants
to
share
some
of
those
recommendations,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
the
for
the
body.
R
Here,
yeah
I've
personally
walked
Chief
Eddington
through
the
building,
and
we
have
frequent
conversations
with
police
officers
and
police
police
command
regarding
how
we
are
enforcing
rules,
not
enforcing
rules.
Anything
like
that.
We're
always
open
to
suggestions.
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
specifics
that
have
been
brought
to
us
that
we've
not
acted
on.
We.
R
A
I
guess
the
request
and
I
can
also
you
know,
direct
Ogle.
If
you
can
share
it
and
I
can
also
share.
F
A
Is
that
if
there
are
recommendations
from
our
Police
Department
about
this
proposal,
if
we
can
get
that
in
writing
and
ready
for
review
at
our
next
meeting,
that
would
be
helpful
so
that
there's
no
confusion
as
to
what
our
Police
Department
is
recommending
and
and
hoping
that
connections
does
in
order
to
forward
this.
So
that's
all
I
have
thank
you
for
everyone's
patience,
I'll
open
it
back
one
more
time
for
any
last
comments
or
questions,
and
then
we
will
close.
H
Right
all
right
and
somebody
please
make
a
motion
too:
there
you
go.
I'm
recognized
I
moved
to
table
this
to
our
next.
Second.
A
It's
been
probably
moved
and
seconded
I'm,
assuming
there's
no
discussion
any
further
discussion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
tabling
this
to
what.
A
Right,
just
our
next
meeting
indicate
by
saying
aye.
H
A
Any
opposed,
say,
nay,
I
thought
I
just
have
it
all
right.
Thank
you
for
everybody
for
for
coming
to
make
public
comment
and
to
participate
in
the
support
and
issue
you.
H
Want
to
move
the
next
trip,
I'll
move,
ordinance,
87022,
adding
subsection
9142
Miranda
warnings
to
be
issued.
D
A
Been
moved
by
councilmember
Reed
seconded
by
council
member
Revell
any
discussion,
or
can
we
just
I'll
just.
H
A
H
Just
very
quickly,
the
the
purpose
of
this
is
that
the
Supreme
Court
has
recently
this
wonderful
Supreme
Court
has
recently
issued
a
decision
that
begins
to
rip
away
at
the
guarantees
of
folks
as
Miranda
rights
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
us
here
in
Evanston
to
ensure
that
locally
we
are
guaranteeing
that
right.
That
folks
know
what
their
rights
are
when
they're,
interacting
with
law
enforcement,
and
so
this
this
there's
a
small
update
that
will
just
require
that
officers.
Let
people
know
what
the
rights
are
council.
G
Oh
just
a
quick
question
so
is
it
is
on
this
requiring.
H
I
I
believe
there's
something
adjacent,
I
I
do
not
recall,
I,
don't
know
if
Council
Cummings
doesn't
answer
that.
H
X
No
no
I
understand
chairman
Burns
other
members
of
the
committee.
Sorry
I
just
would
step
up
and
just
say:
I
can't
not
100
interested
in
stone,
I
think,
but
the
the
it's
a
constitutionally
guaranteed
right
that
you
have
your
Miranda
rights.
Writes
you
before
you
are
interrogated
and
you
are
in
custody.
It
is
also
so
there's
a
court
decision
establishing
that
it's
also
required
in
policy.
X
Failure
to
read
Miranda
rights
when
applicable
is
also
a
policy
violation
of
our
lexical
policy.
I
could
speak
to
that.
Probably
anything
outside
the
scope
of
that
I
would
have
to
research,
so
I
hope.
That's
helpful.
H
And
and
I
just
Commander
glue
is
100
right,
Miranda
rights
were
recognized,
affirmed
whatever
you
want
to
say
and
I
think
it
was
66
1966
with
the
Miranda
versus
Arizona
case.
But
as
again,
we
very
clearly
have
are
seen
with
this
case
in
Roe
v
Wade.
The
Supreme
Court
is
certainly
ready
to
roll
back
50
plus
years
of
precedent,
and
so
that's
what
has
happened
has
started
happening
with
it.
A
I
think,
thank
you
Commander.
Thank
you.
Any
other
questions
comments
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor.
A
Okay,
the
eyes
have
it
unanimously
moving
on,
can
someone
move.
H
I'll
move
ordinance,
115022
amending
portions
of
title
late,
chapter
6,
food
service
and
Retail
food
store,
sanitation
of
the
Evanston
city
code;
second,.
A
I
just
been
probably
moved
by
council
member
Reed
seconded
by
councilmember
Harris
starting
off
starting
us
off
with
discussion,
councilman
Reed.
H
Yeah
I
support
this
I've
two
things,
one
first,
procedural
has
this
gone
through
referrals.
H
A
Can
you
make
a
motion
like
we
discussed
in
our
powwow
Yeah.
H
Well,
yeah
I'm,
just
I
mean
I'm
talking
about
right,
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
I'll
make
a
motion;
okay
and
then
my
second
thing
is
so
that's
one
I
think
it
needs
to
go
through
referrals
and
then
two
I'd
love
to
as
it's
making
its
way
through
the
process,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
this
I,
don't
know
when
referrals
meets
next
Thursday
I'd
even
be
comfortable
passing
this
now
and
then
you
know,
can.
H
But
here's
my
concern
actual
policy
concern,
so
I
see
that
it
updates
a
number
of
license
fees,
and
so
it
seems
like
it's
just
keeping
up
with
inflation
is
what
I
assumed
and
but
there
were
two
places
where
it
didn't
include
the
pricing,
so
that
was
for
the
Peddler's
license.
It
didn't
say
anything.
It
just
said
link
and
so
I'd
want
to
make
sure
that
those
are
right.
Currently,
it's
fifty
dollars
by
code,
I'd
be
fine.
H
You
know
I'd
really
like
to
keep
it
there,
but
if
there
is
some
compelling
reason
to
move
it
up
to
100
which
would
match
us
with
Chicago
I,
don't
think
we
have
the
same
Market
as
Chicago,
and
so
it
may
not.
It
may
be
a
bit
prohibitive,
but
certainly
would
want
to
look
at
that,
and
then
there
are
a
couple
of
other
fees
that
I'd
like
to
look
at.
You
know
to
see
if
we
can
keep
some
of
them
low
to
continue
to
create.
H
T
Good
day,
members
of
the
Human
Services
committee,
Ike
Oppo,
director
Health
and
Human
Services
Department,
to
your
point,
come
to
member
read
which
license
fees.
Would
you
be
referring
to
that
you
want
to
to
lower
you
want
to
include
in
in
this
ordinance.
F
H
H
I
was
looking
at
the
the
farmer's
market,
cost
and
I'd
like
to
keep
that
roughly
the
same
as
well
or
you
know,
keep
it
at
an
even
hundred
just
I
think
about
the
Westin
farmers
market
and
some
of
the
others.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
add
additional
cost
well,.
T
The
farmer's
market
is
actually
reduced
in,
what's
proposed
in
the
ordinance
and
that's
in
line
with
the
state
code,
so
the
state
code
determines
what
the
farmers
markets
pay.
So,
if
you
look
at
the
ordinance,
you
see
that
there
are
two
license
fees
for
those
who
are
just
primarily
selling
eggs
and
for
any
other
operation.
So
that's
to
align
with
what
the
state
code
has
provided.
H
H
Want
to
then
look
at
that
because
the
this
is
a
local
fee,
it's
collected
by
us
and
the
money
stays
here
with
the
city
correct.
T
Well,
it
is,
it
can
be
a
local
fee,
but
according
to
the
state
law,
in
order
for
us
to
make
any
increases
in
regards
to
that
the
farmers
markets
or
even
make
any
changes.
There
has
to
be
some
public
hearings
with
the
farmers
market,
individuals,
which
can
be
a
complicated
process.
So
my
recommendation
is
for
us
to
be
in
line
with
what
the
state
has
recommended
at
this
point,
which
is
I,
believe
175
dollars
for
operations
for
for
food
at
the
farmer's
market
and
75
dollars
for
those
who
are
only
selling
eggs.
A
And
before
we
continue
discussion
around
this
issue
depending
on
I,
think
what
council
member
Council
Cummings
says
we
may
be,
you
know,
holding
or
referring
this
or
actually,
maybe
not.
If
you
suspend.
W
The
rules,
but
let
me
let
me
see
what
council
coming
says.
First
I
was
just
going
to
mention
that
suspension
of
the
rules
is
not
necessarily
a
committee.
However,
this
ordinance
has
proposes
an
administrative
change
unless
the
feeling
is
that
it's
actually
a
change
in
policy
of
the
city.
Really,
it's
a
provision
of
the
city
of
existing
city
code
and
updated
the
city
code
for
us
to
administrative
administratively,
enforce
the
the
licensing
structure
so
I.
Don't
really
believe
it
would
be
proper
for
referrals,
but
obviously
that's
does.
W
A
H
Feels
like
a
policy,
yeah,
I
I,
definitely
say
it's
a
policy
if
I
was
gonna,
if
I
put
forward
a
proposal
to
you
know
change
the
cost
of
the
wheel
tax
or
change
the
cost
of
demolition
fee.
You
could
say
that
you
know
just
changing.
Prices
is
Administrative,
but
it's
a
policy
and
in
effect
and
there's
more
than
just
changing
prices,
I
mean
there
are
some
kind
of
routine
updates
to
language
here.
But
it's
not
just
changing
the
cost
of
licenses.
A
W
H
H
G
I
guess
I
I
view
this
as
our
updating
our
local
code
to
match
the
state
update
of
its
code
and
I.
Don't
so
I
I
see
this
I
agree
with
a
Corporation
Council
that
it's
a
pretty
administrative
effort
here
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
really
see
this
rising
to
the
level
of
being
considered
a
policy
change,
I'm.
A
I
think,
just
very
simply
when
we
talked
about
this,
it's
it.
The
fact
that
it
requires
us
to
approve
it
to
me
suggest
that
it
is
a
policy
change.
Administrative
to
me
is
something
that
would
not
require
us
at
all,
really
they
could
do
it
on
their
own
and
so
I
think
keeping
true
to
how
we've
interpreted
in
other
cases,
we
should
either
suspend
the
rules-
or
you
know
refer
this
to
the
referrals
committee
council,
member
Harris,
I'm.
Sorry.
C
Yes,
I
believe
that
we
move
and
I've
lost
it
Ordinance
one
one:
zero:
two:
two
to
move
to
referrals.
A
I
guess
I'll!
Second,
it
you
know
we'll
do
a
roll
call
Mom
unless
there's
if
there
is
any
discussion
hearing,
none
council,
member
helicopters.
E
I
was
just
curious
director
elbow
is,
is
this
time
sensitive
at
all?
Would
there
be
any.
T
T
One
of
the
recommendations
in
this
ordinance
is
for
us
to
remove
and
consumer
pricing
Decks
that
can
potentially
increase
fees
for
our
food
establishments.
I
took
the
liberty
to
review
other
ordinances
where
fees
are
charged
in
the
city
and
other
municipalities
and
I
didn't
find
a
consumer
price
index
in
their
ordinance.
T
So
if
we
delay
this
a
bit,
it
would
increase
the
fees
that
we'll
be
sending
in
in
an
invoice
format
to
our
restaurants
and
if
we
look
across
the
consumer
index
price
and
it
pretty
much
increases
by
1.1
or
1.5
percent
each
each
year.
So
if
we
wait
for
a
long
time
to
to
approve
this,
it
will
definitely
hinder
in
the
way
in
which
we
send
invoices
to
our
food
established
food
establishment
owners.
A
And
I
mean
if
councilman
Harris
wants
to
reconsider
it
or
whatever
that's
called
real,
quick.
We,
although
the
I,
think
you
said
the
council
comes
the
rules,
don't
apply
to
us.
That
doesn't
mean
we
can't
suspend
the
rules
here.
It
just
means
we
don't
have
to,
but
we
can
so.
We
also
can
suspend
the
rules,
but
I'm
saying
we
should
just
be
consistent.
A
W
And
I
just
for
clarity
for
staff,
any
is.
Is
it
the
direction
of
the
committee
that
anytime?
We
need
to
change
a
city
ordinance,
even
if
it
is
for
administrative
purposes,
because
the
fact
that
it's
actually
a
change
of
the
city
code
and
the
city
council
is
a
legislative
body
that
those
changes
need
to
go
through
referrals
committee,
correct.
A
Information
and
some
people
think
that
even
parking
changes
you
know
shouldn't,
but
it
is
a
code
change
and
and
we're
going
to
discuss
this
at
an
upcoming
rules
committee
meeting,
so
we
can
address
this
and
decide
to
to
put
some
clear
language
as
to
how
we're
gonna
what
what
we're
going
to
determine
is
a
policy
change
and
where,
where
there
are
exemptions
but
right
now,
there's
not
enough
guidance
to
you
know,
there's
not
enough
guidance
and
so
I
think
we
should
either
suspend
the
rules
which
I'm
totally
fine
with
supporting
councilmember
Harris.
C
A
H
Yeah
I'll
I'll
make
the
motion
to
suspend
the
rules,
which
I
do
think
is
appropriate
here.
At
this
committee,
I'll
also
say
I
mean
even
I
think
even
what
your
explanation
to
council
member
headed
card
is
even
reinforced.
That
is
a
policy
change
by
changing
the
CPI
and
that's
policies,
not
just
administrative.
Certainly,
I
move
that
we
suspend
the
rules
in
relation
to.
A
All
right,
second,
it's
been
probably
moved
and
seconded
and
then.
H
Discussion
I'm,
sorry
I
just
want
to
be
clear,
director
ogbo
so
for
the
Peddler's
license.
It's
not
included
here.
It
doesn't
say
anything
so
is
that
staying
at
fifty
dollars
is
that
that's
correct,
so
I
would
I'd
like
to
motion
that
we
amend
this
to
include
that
the
just
to
make
it
crystal
clear
that
the
Peddler's
license
will
be
fifty
dollars.
A
M
A
Aye
any
Nays
I
did
not
eyes,
have
it
and
then
I.
H
Would
like
to
just
amend
the
language
to
it
says,
link
now,
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
that
two
Peddler's
licenses
would
be
fifty
dollars.
Second,
all.
A
Right,
it's
been
probably
moved
and
seconded
any
discussion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
indicate
with
saying
aye.
E
W
A
All
right,
all
right,
you
guys
have
it
okay,
where
are
we
at
now?
It's
just
four
I.
H
A
A
H
To
quickly
set
this
up,
I
know
that
councilmember
Harris
is
new
to
this
committee.
This
is
your
first
meeting,
so
what's
in
the
packet
reflects
comment
conversations
that
we've
had
on
this
diocese.
It
reflects
what
the
equity,
empowerment,
commission,
discussed
and
I
think
thoughtfully
discussed.
Even
one
of
our
former
colleagues,
Jane
Grover
is
on
that
commission
and
was
in
support
of
this,
and
what
this
does
is.
It
makes
minor
almost
administrative
tweaks.
If
you
will
to
our
public
nudity
ordinance,
it
reduces
our
legal
liability.
H
We've
discussed
it
a
lot
here
before
their
communities
such
as
Fort
Collins
Colorado,
who
have
an
ordinance
that
reflects
our
current
ordinance
and
have
been
sued
and
their
taxpayers
have
been
on
the
hook
for
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars.
Chicago
recently
had
a
suit
that
was
similar
to
this,
that
they
lost
in
the
last
few
years
and
20
20.
H
And
so
this
just
and
this
brings
us
in
line
with
our
neighbors
to
the
north
Wilmette
Winnetka
Kennelworth
Skokie,
Lake
Forest.
It
brings
us
in
alignment
with
the
ordinances.
It
was
similar
to
the
ordinances
that
they
have
and
it
does
that
in
a
gender-neutral
fashion,
which
helps
us
affirm
our
the
existence
of
our
trans
community
and
creates
Equity
between
the
genders.
A
All
right,
any
councilmember,
Ravel.
G
Indecent
Behavior-
that's
in
this
proposed
amendment,
so
in
places
where
going
topless
is
broadly
acceptable,
accepted
the
French
Riviera,
for
example.
Those
who
Go
Topless
are
not
doing
so
with
the
intent
to
arouse
or
satisfy
their
sexual
desire.
So
basing
our
definition
of
indecent
exposure
on
the
concept
of
lewd
intent
ignores
other
types
of
behavior
that
are
likely
to
result
in
the
discomfort
of
others
and
I.
G
So
I
would
modify
our
nudity
ordinance
in
a
way
that,
basically,
it
would
modify,
are
nudity
ordinance
in
a
way
that
basically
would
say
yes
to
going
topless,
but
residents
have
not
contacted
me
clamoring
for
topless
beaches.
In
fact,
just
the
opposite.
So
I
do
understand
that
we
need
to
amend
the
ordinance
to
remove
the
reference
to
the
female
body,
but
our
ordinance
should
continue
to
reflect
the
views
of
our
community
and
have
a
broader
definition
of
indecent
exposure.
G
A
G
You
making
a
motion,
yeah
I,
move
to
amend
the
proposed
amendment
to
this
would
be
be.
G
So
Indy,
it
would
say,
Indy
Indies
and
exposure
shall
be
defined
as
a
an
act
of
sexual
penetration
or
other
sexual
conduct.
I
could
live
without
that
one
too,
but
anyway,
or
indecent
shall
be
defined
as
not
properly
or
decently.
Clothed.
A
Council
Cummins
Do,
you
have
a
okay.
Is
there
a
second.
A
All
right,
it's
been
probably
moved
and
seconded
any
discussion
around
it.
I
don't
know
council
member
head
goddess.
If
you
had
comments
on
that
or
the
because
you
had
your
light
on
before
the.
E
E
I
do
like
the
amendment
a
lot
and
I
feel
like
we
have
to
make
these
changes,
but
I
would
like
to
table
it,
make
the
changes
and
get
more
input
from
staff
and
also
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
I've
also
received
a
lot
of
you
know,
questions
from
residents
and
I.
Think
more
Outreach
would
be
good
to.
You
know
inform
people
about
what's
going
on.
H
Councilman
Reed
yeah
I,
I,
I,
I,
I
I
I
support
councilman
ravel's
changes
her
Amendment
there
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
table
this
again.
Our
ordinance,
particularly
you
know,
with
Alderman
ravel's
with
council
member
revell's
amendments.
H
It's
mirroring
our
neighbors
and
our
neighbors
do
not
have
I
think
we
can
have
those
conversations
between
now
and
this
will
have
two.
It's
an
ordinance
change,
so
it'll
have
two
readings
at
Council.
So
it'll
be
you
know
a
month
before
this
is
passed
fully,
and
so
we'll
have
time
for
discussion
time
to
get
check
in
with
Kennelworth
and
other
communities
how
this
impacts
their
staff,
but
I
think
understanding.
H
You
know
the
need
to
change
this
again,
that
this
has
been
tried
and
true
amongst
many
North
Shore
beachfront
communities
in
our
in
our
area
with
without
issue
I
think
we
can-
and
this
is
you
know-
had
several
readings
here
at
this
committee.
Several
readings
at.
A
It
went
to
the
parks
and
rec
board.
Oh
listen,
I
think
you
have
the
support,
but
I
want
to
get
to
councilmember
Harris,
just
because
she
has.
M
M
C
A
All
right,
seeing
no
other
lights
for
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of.
A
H
A
Eyes
have
it
and
then
the
underlying
or
the
ordinance,
all
those
in
favor
all
right
in
the
Nays,
okay,
the
eyes
have
it.
A
Hs5,
okay
and
so
last,
so
we
actually
so
now
we're
going
for
items
for
communication,
review
of
Evanston,
Police
complaints
and
comments
report
I,
actually
director
Oakville.
If
he
could
send
this
out
well
in
advance
to
the
meeting,
because
I
knew
we
would
be
short
for
time.
So
hopefully,
everyone
has
had
an
opportunity
to
to
read
through
it
and
if
there
aren't
any
questions
for
Commander
glue,
we
were
going
to
vote
on
it
and
move
forward.
X
Would
say
please,
committee
chairman
Burns,
there's
one
thing:
I
probably
take
this
opportunity
to
communicate.
That
was
brought
during
public
comment,
and
that
was
the
point
of
our
officers
that
live
in
town
to
be
properly
or
to
use
a
management
prerogative
to
assign
our
officers
to
Geographic
areas
that
are
not
going
to
I
would
say,
facilitate
that
complaint.
X
That
would
have
that
and
that,
like
you,
said,
we'll
create
that
environment
if
they
complain,
whether
it's
an
officer
who
lives
in
town
is
having
a
neighbor
dispute
or
even
just
something
where
somebody
is
having
some
conflict.
That
appears
to
be
difficult
to
mitigate
or
de-escalate
that
we
would
use
our
prerogative
as
managers
to
geographically
assign
that
officer
away
from
the
problem.
At
our
last
cprc
meeting
I
did
draft
a
memo.
It
was
approved
by
cprc.
X
We
moved
to
the
chief
for
approval,
and
that
is
that
in
the
future,
when
these
issues
come
up
in
an
effort
to
de-escalate
we'll
use
our
management.
What's
within
our
management
powers,
to
avoid
those
situations
in
the
future.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
we
don't
need
to
to
vote
on
this
right.
It's
just
an
accepted
place,
so
file
yeah.
H
So
do.
A
We
need
a
vote
Yes,
okay,
so
all
those
in
favor.
H
H
A
All
right,
it's
been
probably
moved
and
seconded
any
discussion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
aye,
Indian
A's
the
eyes.
Have
it
all
right.
We
will
start
seeing
no
other
matters
before
this
committee.
I
will
call
it
adjourned.