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A
And
starting
off
with
approval
of
minutes
of
the
regular
meeting
from
November
7th.
If
we
have
an
emotional.
A
I
write
this
with
properly
moved
and
seconded
any
discussion,
no
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes
from
November
7th
2022
indicate
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
Do
you
guys
have
it
next
up?
We
have
public
comments,
starting
off
with
Suzanne
Ali,
all
right.
A
D
So
my
name
is
Susana
I'm,
one
of
the
owners
of
days
down
to
earth
rock
shop
over
on
711
Main
Street
we've
been
in
Evanston
for
52
years
and
I
know
that
you've
discussed
the
use
bag
fee
before
for
the
15
cents
per
bag
that
we
have
to
pass
out
to
the
customer
or
pass
along
to
the
customers.
But
I
wanted
to
talk
about
how
you
think
that's
gonna,
even
work
like
how
do
I
count.
My
bags
is
one
thing.
D
Another
thing
is
I
might
as
well
just
send
you
a
check
each
month
because
I'm
not
going
to
forward
that
fee
to
my
customers.
My
customers
are
already
complaining
about
the
fact
that
they
can't
afford
to
come
to
Evanston
to
shop,
based
on
the
fact
that
if
parking
fees
are
so
high,
they
would
rather
go
to
Wilmette
or
go
to
Skokie.
Where
there's
no
parking
fees,
we
can't
nickel
and
dime
our
customers
to
death.
You
know
that
you're
going
to
end
up
losing
even
more
businesses
in
the
City
of
Evanston.
D
If
you
go
to
downtown
Evanston
you'll
see
that
it's
you
have
a
lot
of
vacant.
Storefronts
people
are
not
coming
back:
I
have
customers
who
come
from
all
over
the
Midwest,
I
go
out
and
I
pay
for
their
parking
if
they
are
in
the
store
for
two
hours
and
they
run
out
of
parking.
I
run
out
with
my
credit
card,
because
I
don't
want
them
to
leave
before
they
pay
for
their
purchases
and
they
just
put
them
back.
So
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
charge
for
paperbacks
that's
recyclables
is
actually
kind
of
ridiculous.
D
We
don't
use
plastic
bags
because
that
goes
against
my
belief
when
we
do
packaging
and
we
send
out
packages
because
we
also
have
an
online
business.
We
use
compostable
peanuts
because
they
won't
hurt
the
environment.
So
we
do
everything
we
can
to
try
to
save
the
environment.
That's
what
we
are
about,
I
mean
we
sell,
rocks
and
fossils
for
Pete's
sake,
so
I
want
to
take
care
of
the
environment.
So
I
just
think.
That's
a
really
bad
idea.
D
I
think
you're
going
to
lose
small
businesses
and
you're,
also
not
going
to
have
retail
businesses
come
into
Evanston,
because
they're
going
to
look
at
all
of
that
and
I'll
tell
you,
we
moved
our
store
about
I.
Think
it's
like
eight
years
ago
now
to
the
other
side
of
the
street.
But
next
time
we
go
to
move
I'll
seriously.
Consider
other
suburbs
just
based
on
the
fact
of
just
this
proposal:
it's
not
the
only
thing
but
the
parking
fees.
When
we
took
over
the
business,
it
was
50
cents
an
hour.
D
You
put
two
quarters
in
a
meter.
It
was
easy.
Now
it's
almost
impossible
to
use
the
new
machines.
I
know,
that's
not
what
you
guys
are
talking
about
tonight
that
everything
accumulating
upon
you
know,
on
top
of
each
other,
just
kind
of
makes
you
reconsider
as
a
business
owner.
Is
this
the
right
place
to
be
so
that's
my
words
for
tonight.
I
hope
that
you
don't
pass
the
15
cents
tax
and
thank
you.
A
D
E
Folks,
my
name
is
Peter
O'malley
I'm
here
as
the
president
of
the
Central
Street
Business,
Association
and
I
want
to
read,
for
you
guys,
a
letter
that
we
wrote
and
was
approved
by
the
board
back
in
late
August
of
last
year,
and
we
sent
the
letter
to
the
city
at
that
time.
At
that
time
we
were
thinking
about,
or
we
heard
a
back
tax.
It
was
10
cents
a
bag.
E
Now,
what
we're
hearing
is
that
has
been
increased
by
50
percent,
so
our
opposition
to
this
ordinance
has
grown
significantly,
but
I
just
want
to
read
the
letter,
make
sure
it
puts
into
get
it
into
record
in
response
to
the
city
of
Everson
proposed
back
tax
ordinance.
The
Central
Street
Evanston
board
of
directors
is
submitting
the
following
statement
regarding
the
collective
feedback
from
our
Central
Street
businesses,
though
our
board
generally
supports
A
Greener
Community.
We
firmly
believe
that
the
proposed
back
tax
ordinance
is
punitive
to
all
small
businesses
in
the
City
of
Evanston.
E
Most
evidence.
Businesses
are
already
environmentally
conscious,
and
many
of
them
have
been
recognized
as
sustained
Everson
businesses,
including
Central
Street
business
Backlot,
coffee,
electronic
processing
in
North,
America,
LLC,
Maya,
papaya
and
Tony
macaroni
notice
and
Walsh
National
Health.
Here
are
some
reasons
why
we
think
the
bank
tax
what
we
oppose,
the
back
tax
ordinance
number
one.
There
will
be
an
extra
toll
on
businesses
in
order
to
collect
and
pay
the
bag
tax
es
to
our
point
of
sale
systems,
employee
training,
managing
payments
to
the
city,
bookkeeping
and
more
number.
E
Two
Evanston
and
Central
Street
in
particular,
is
already
in
competition
with
nearby
shopping
districts,
mainly
Wilmette
and
Old
Orchard.
Adding
a
back
tax
to
the
existing
parking
challenges
will
augment
our
already
negative
reputation
for
not
being
Shopper
friendly
in
boutiques
and
Gift
Stores.
A
bag
is
often
used
as
gift
wrapping,
not
simply
a
carrier,
so
by
taxing
a
bag.
The
city
is
also
taxing
gift,
wrapping,
which
is
an
important
service
that
small
businesses
provide
to
help
to
differentiate
them
from
big
box
stores
and
online
retailers.
E
Fourth,
we
feel
this
ordinance
is
discriminatory
to
Brick
and
Mortar
businesses,
as
online
purchasers
delivered
to
Evanston,
which
typically
require
a
lot
more
packaging
are
not
subject
to
this
tax.
Please
contemplate
the
following:
propositions
number
one
consider
this
tax
for
larger
retails
retailers.
Only
supermarkets,
big
box
stores,
ETC
number
two,
a
measure
to
incentivize
people
to
bring
in
their
own
bags
instead
of
punish
them
for
not
to
do
it.
E
Consider
excluding
bag
tax
from
the
ordinance
number
four
excluding
compostable
bags
from
the
ordinance
and
five
include
an
in-depth
examination
of
this
proposed
tax
into
the
Everson
Thrice
retail
District
action
plan.
Deferring
voting
until
this
study
is
concluded,
sincerely
Central,
Street
board
of
directors.
Thank
you.
A
E
Number
one
was
consider
this
tax
for
larger
retailers.
Only
the
big
black
stores
number
two
consider
a
measure
to
incentivize
people
to
bring
in
their
own
bags
instead
of
punishing
them
for
not
for
doing
it.
Number
three
consider
excluding
gift
bags
from
the
ordinance
number
four
consider
excluding
compostable
or
comp
posting
bags
from
the
ordinance
and
number
five
include
an
in-depth
examination
of
the
pros
tax
into
the
evidence
rise,
retail
District
action
plan
deferring
voting
until
the
study
is
completed.
Thank.
F
F
I,
don't
think
any
of
this
goes
against
the
the
connections
and
what
they're
trying
to
do.
In
fact,
Betty
and
I
had
an
hour
conversation
a
month
ago
and
I
I
was
very
clear
about
that.
This
is
something
that
we're
looking
for
is
to
have
a
very
strong,
clear
statement
as
to
what
we
expect
to
see
them
doing,
and
there
was
no
disagreement.
I
mean
she
plans
to
have
the
staff,
and
we
talked
about.
We've
talked
about
the
you
know
have
for
the
screening
processes
involved.
F
We
talked
about
the
safe
environment
for
the
internal
residents
so
that
they
don't
live
in
fear
of
the
person.
That's
down
the
hallway
or
whatnot
it
clear
eviction,
policies
that
are
laid
out
and
so
forth.
F
My
big
worry
is
that
going
from
the
draft
that
I
saw
that
you
guys
have
rescinded
and
redone,
and
then
what
comes
out
in
January
and
February
for
the
council,
I
I
just
don't
want
to
see
that
watered
down,
because
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
clear
opposition
to
it
and
I
think
that
all
we
have
to
think
about
what
happens.
If
everything
doesn't
go
great,
what
happens
if
fundings
cut
back?
What
happens
if
there
are
issues?
F
A
All
right
thanks,
sir
next
up,
we
have
Ellen.
This
is
King.
G
A
Miss
somebody
oh
I'm,
sorry
I,
I,
missed
Somebody,
Simone,
I'm,
sorry,
we're
gonna
go
with
Simone,
Unger,
ottinger,
I'm,
sure.
H
Hi,
my
name
is
Simone
ottinger
I
own
Maya,
papaya
and
Tony
macaroni.
It's
a
kids
store
on
Central
Street
and,
as
I
said,
I
bought.
Some
props
was
that
you
know
I
prepared
a
little
speech,
but
I'm
glad
I
came
and
I
had
a
chance
to
meet
Brian
and
initiate
a
dialogue.
Maybe
you
know
if
we
explain
better
what
our
issues
are,
we
can,
you
know,
meet
at
the
middle
and
come
to
a
mutually.
You
know,
solution
that
works
for
everybody
this.
H
This
are
not
shopping
bags
that
I
give
to
my
customers.
These
are
plastic
bags
that
my
merchandise
come
in,
so
I,
unpack,
merchandise,
usually
I
feel
a
big
bag
like
that
or
two
a
week
and
I
manually
I
personally
take
this
to
Jewel,
because
it's
the
only
place
that
I
know
off
that
takes
plastic
bags
to
be
recycled.
So
I
do
that.
These
are
you
know,
as
I
said,
packaging
that
I
personally
take
to
Jewel.
H
And
this
is
the
paper
bag
that
sorry
it's
a
little
mango,
but
it's
what
I
use
to
gift
wrap
it's
made
of
recycling
paper
and
I
have
another
bag
here
from
a
neighbor
of
mine
notice
on
Central
Street.
They
also
use
this
bag
as
gift
wrapping,
and
my
point
is
that
you
know
now
I'm
going
to
read
what
I
prepared
the
Big
Tex
ordinance
is
currently
draft
imposes
additional
costs
and
disadvantages
for
small
businesses.
H
First,
the
number
of
bags
handed
out
by
Everson
small
businesses
is
negligible
compared
to
that
of
supermarkets
and
big
boxes.
Second,
true
or
not,
Evenson
does
have
a
reputation
for
being
business
unfriendly.
There
are
perceived
Notions
of
expensive
parking
and
predatory
enforcement.
This
proposed
tax
will
reinforce
our
negative
reputation
and
send
both
customers
and
potential
new
businesses
to
others
easier
to
work.
Neighboring
communities,
as
well
as
sending
Shoppers
online
shopping,
leaves
a
much
bigger
footprint
on
the
environment,
with
the
sex,
excessive
packaging
material,
not
to
mention
the
transportation
issues.
H
The
City
of
Evanston
environmental
board
has
shared
extensive
research
on
the
environmental
impact
of
the
use
of
both
Plastics
and
compostable
bags,
as
well
as
shown
as
studies
of
how
the
use
of
bags
has
decreased.
Other
communities,
which
adopted
the
back
tax.
What
I
did
not
see
was
research
on
the
impact
those
ordinance
had
on
the
independence
business
in
independent
businesses
inside
communities
and,
consequently,
to
the
overall
economic
development
of
those
areas.
H
I
A
A
A
Thank
you
next
Ellen
King.
J
J
I
I'm,
pretty
much
Echo
what
everybody
else
said
about
bags
for
us.
It
really
is
an
issue
of
just
administrative
I
mean
environmentally.
If
I
thought
it
would
make
a
really
big
dent.
I
would
be
all
in
support.
I
mean
that
is
such
a
part
of
our
business.
We
pay
extra
300
a
month
to
compost
any
waste
that
we
have.
We
pay
extra
for
recycling.
Our
garbage
is
the
cheapest
thing
we
have
so
we
go
above
and
beyond.
J
We
work
with
local
farmers
for
all
of
our
produce
and
we
try
and
be
a
very
sustainable
business.
That's
why
we
don't
ever
use
plastic
and
never
have
used
plastic
and
even
regarding
drinks,
that
we
have.
We
use
aluminum.
We
use
glass
because
we're
not
in
support
of
plastic.
Now
the
plastic,
the
paper
bags
that
we
have
their
their
paper
they're
made
from
recyclable
materials,
and
then
we
can
compost
them
and
we
encourage
our
customers
as
well.
J
So
I
think
that
the
idea
that
Evanston
is
wanting
to
promote
environmental
sustainability,
100
I,
served
on
the
environment
board
back
in
2010
and
was
head
of
the
backyard
chicken
committee
so
like
helped
push
that
forward.
So
this
isn't
about
not
being
environmentally
friendly.
When
Carl
was
in
charge.
Sadly
yeah
we
worked
closely
together,
but
it
really
is
a
burden
on
a
small
business.
It's
it
would
be
me
that
has
to
stay
late.
J
Instead
of
you
know,
I
work
work
early
normally
because
I
do
the
baking,
but
I'd
have
to
stay
late
and
try
and
figure
out
how
to
administer
this
tax,
send
it
in
and
all
of
that,
so
so
in
support
of
environmental
initiatives
that
help
the
community.
But
this
is
not
one
of
them.
So,
if
you
pulled
me,
I
would
say
yes
to
plastic
bag,
tax,
100
or
ban
100,
but
paper.
Please
don't
tax
that
it
really
is
something
that
our
customers
need
and,
and
we
we
kind
of
depend
on
one
one.
J
Other
thing
I
know
that
you're
also
looking
at
the
making
it
against
ordinance
to
accept
cash.
We
are
one
of
the
businesses
that
do
have
only
credit
card
that
we
started
after
the
pandemic
and
it's
something
we
have
kept
and
it's
because
several
things
first
off
we're
short
staffed.
Like
everybody,
it's
faster
people
getting
through
the
line.
If
someone
comes
with
cash,
we
accommodate
and
try
and
help
and
then
tell
them
that
it's
not
something
that
we
take
cash
because
it
takes
longer.
Sometimes
Banks,
don't
have
the
change
for
us.
J
There's
a
worry
that
we
did
have
on
Dempster,
where
we
had
several
occasions
of
getting
counter
counterfeit
bills,
and
then
the
bank
won't
take
it
and
we're
out
and
that
you
know
happened
three
times
to
us
and
other
businesses
on
Maine
and
Dempster,
and
then
also
just
the
worry
about
being
robbed.
We
don't
ever
worry
about
getting
robbed,
and
that
is
a
huge
concern.
J
A
K
I
relayed
a
report
that
I
had
heard
that
Resident
employees
at
the
shelter
are
dealing
drugs
to
other
residents,
since
I
said
that
two
more
shelter
insiders
with
knowledge
of
what
goes
on
there
have
affirmed
to
me
confirmed
that.
Yes,
this
is
indeed
going
on
and
I'm
appalled.
First
of
all,
we
have
drug
deals
going
down
in
our
neighborhood.
Anybody
who
lives
near
us
at
the
corner
of
Oakland
Grove
has
seen
them.
We
hadn't
seen
those
before
connections
for
the
homeless
started
operating
the
shelter.
K
Now
the
my
source
also
tells
me
that
it's
an
Open
Secret
to
management
and
to
staff.
So
my
point
in
in
saying
telling
you
this
is:
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
it?
You
can't
unhear
this
allegation,
but
it
therefore
it
needs
to
be
investigated.
K
I
believe
in
asking
questions,
I
believe
that
people
should
be
asked
questions
and
that
you
should
get
answers
from
them
and
they
should
be
black
and
white,
not
completing
PR
messages,
with
truth
with
it
with
religion
and
sentiment
about
well,
if
you
speak
out
about
any
kind
of
operation
there,
your
racist
or
anti-homeless,
so
my
call
to
action
to
you
and
to
the
city
is
that
we
don't
take
it
face
value
the
materials
that
have
been
presented,
but
that
we
do
investigate
I,
know
staff
is
short
I'm
here
to
volunteer
my
time
if
I
need,
if
I
can
be
of
use
to
you,
but
we
can't
just
look
the
other
way
if
we
doubt
some
of
the
facts
that
are
coming
out
thanks
thanks
for
your
time.
K
B
A
A
No,
it's
good
I'll
call
him
the
next
person
and
then
Eric
pass
it
back.
So.
L
My
name
is
Eric
passen,
I'm
assistant
of
Fourth
Ward,
and
you
know
for
years,
I
never
really
came
to
the
City
Council
meetings
or
any
of
these
committee
meetings
and
legally
I've
been
kind
of
infuriated
by
these
endless
proposals
that
I,
you
know.
If
you
read
Evanston
now
in
the
Evanston
Roundtable
people,
as
you
know,
make
comments
afterwards.
I
can't
say
any
of
them
are
positive
about
what
people
are
doing.
L
It's
just
I'm,
a
small
businessman,
I've
been
one
for
35
years.
I've
lived
in
Evanston
for
35
years,
always
been
happy
about
living
in
Evanston,
I
can't
say
of
anything
good
to
say
lately
about
it.
I
mean
there's
another
proposal
about
small
back
tax.
What
do
you
do
about?
The
small
Empanada
store
on
Davis
I
mean
come
on,
I
mean
we're.
Trying
to
rebuild
Evanston
and
all
I
feel
like
the
council
is
doing.
B
L
Mean
not
only
forget
about
the
expense,
the
expense
is
kind
of
minor.
It's
the
it's
the.
Needless,
you
know
counting
bags
every
day
I
mean
you
know,
plastic
bags,
and
what
most
people
said
is
that
they're
just
going
to
go
somewhere
else,
I
mean
I
go
to
downtown,
we'll
met
people
commented
about
it,
they
don't
charge
for
parking,
so
you
go
there
and
you
have
a
nice
casual
relaxing
dinner.
You
don't
worry
about
getting
a
parking
ticket
you
shop
somewhere
else.
L
You
get
other
things
and
then
you
come
home
and
and
and
I
mean
we
do
everything
we
can
to
recycle
at
our
house.
I
never
knew
that
the
Levy
Center
accepted
plastic
bag
I
think
we
should
incentivize
people
like
send
out.
You
know
things
in
the
oven.
So
now,
how
do
you
recycle?
You
know
how
many
down
in
downtown
Evanston,
how
many
non-recycle
you
know
all
the
garbage
cans
are
overflowing
from
like
sweet
greens
and
there's
not
enough
recycling
bins.
L
Next
to
it,
I
mean
why
don't
we
try
to
do
something
positive
instead
of
enforcing
something
negative
that
get
people
mad
about
it?
I
mean
it's
just.
You
said
it's
not
to
tax
people,
I
get
it,
however,
people
are
getting
mad
about
it,
I
mean
I'd,
rather
go
shop
somewhere
else.
That's
what
I
mean
and
then
you
take
your
car
carbon
footprint
and
it's
just
completely
doesn't
serve
a
point.
You
know
I
hate,
to
put
it
so
boldly,
but
that's
I
know
I'm,
not
the
one
who
feels
this
way.
L
A
Thank
you
and
then
Karen
Graham
was
the
last
person
with
the
with
a
written
statement
and
Karen
does
not
support
the
tax
on
paper,
compostable
or
post-consumer
recyclable
bags.
Okay.
That
concludes
public
comment.
Thank
you
all
who
came
out
to
share
your
position
on
the
issues.
A
A
Right,
it's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
again.
This
is
hs1
items
for
communication
and
if
we
can
start
with
either
director,
oboe
or
or
Council
Cummings,
providing
an
update
on
this,
and
my
understanding
is
that
it's
been
it's
going
to
appear
in
a
different
section
of
the
code.
So
it'll
go
through
the
planning
and
development
committee
and
not
Human
Services
committee.
But
can
you
provide
a
bit
more
explanation
for
those
online
and
in
person
or
director
was
fine.
N
What
decision
has
been
made
is
that
this
will
fall
under
Title
Five
instead
of
title.
A
title.
Eight
is
a
Health
and
Human
Services
title.
It
will
now
go
under
the
room
in-house
title
because
that's
where
margarita
in
or
any
said
enough
such
should
fall
under.
So
we
brought
it
up
today
to
list
it
as
an
item
of
communication,
so
that
we
will
provide
an
update
to
our
community
members
that
it
will
not
return
to
Human
Services,
but
I
would
rather
go
to
another
committee
going
for.
O
Know
that'll
be
on
December
12th
but
for
sure
January,
9th.
O
I
think
with
the
idea
of
being
passed
at
the
second
meeting
in
January,
it's
my
understanding.
Okay,.
A
And
is
okay,
so
will
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
the
body
on
this
shall
be
good?
Okay,
do
we
need
to
vote
on?
We
don't
need
to
vote
on
his
communication.
Okay,.
C
A
All
right,
they
just
won,
has
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
councilman
Reed.
C
Yes,
I
I,
truly
appreciate
all
the
folks
who
came
out
in
good
faith.
You
know,
gave
comments
on
their
their
positions
around
this
and
how
it
folks
feel
it
may
impact
their
small
businesses,
and
you
know
I
particularly
am
sensitive
to
small
businesses
compared
to
larger
corporations.
C
C
So
the
reason
we're
here
with
this
bag
tax
and
an
eventual
ban
is
because
I
think,
as
most
folks
in
the
audience
have
said
and
and
agree,
plastic
bags
have
a
an
impact
on
our
environment
on
our
community
and
it's
not
just
an
environmental
issue
and
I
think
everyone
here
understands
the
environmental
issue.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
I
need
to
go
into
that,
but
it's
also
about
keeping
our
community
cleaner.
C
How
many
times
have
you
walked
around
neighborhoods
and
seen
plastic
bags
strewn
across
the
street
or
blowing
in
the
wind
think
about
how
that
makes
our
community
a
less
inviting
place
for
people
to
come
shop
and
enjoy
think
about
how
it
disrupts
our
waterways?
C
How
plastic
bags
get
into
our
recycling
system
and
taint
the
recycling
stream,
making
our
recycling
less
efficient,
I
hear
that
folks
are,
you
know
it
seems
like
there's
more
consensus
around
the
ban
than
there
is
around
the
tax
and
I'll
say
I
wish
a
ban
alone
worked,
but
the
research
shows
that
plastic
bag
bands
alone
typically
do
not
achieve
the
required
outcome,
and
when
paired
with
attacks
has
a
much
larger
impact.
C
We
saw
I'm,
quoting
from
hominoff
2021,
a
study
out
of
Chicago
with
their
bag
tax,
40
percent
reduction
in
Chicago,
with
their
back
tax
Uruguay,
who
did
a
bag
tax
and
ban
75
reduction,
and
it's
a
Cabrera
2020
study.
So
folks
can
actually
go
cite
these
stuff
go.
Look
at
these
studies,
so
attacks
has
a
huge
impact
on
incentivizing
people
to
move
away
and
it'll
help
prepare
folks
for
the
eventual
ban
in
2024.
C
the
tax.
You
know
in
economics
there's
the
term
externalities,
which
means
the
the
when
consumers
engage
in
behavior
and
they
don't
see
the
direct
consequences
of
their
behavior
right
when
you
buy
a
plastic
bag,
you
don't
imagine
that
it's
going
to
end
up
in
you
know
in
the
wrong
place
in
the
way
stream
blowing
across
the
street
or
just
sitting
in
in
in
in
your
you
know,
someone
has
this
huge
collection,
I.
Think
a
lot
of
folks.
C
C
C
Who
or
we're
gonna
have
to
pay
for
this
some
one
way
or
another,
and
we
have
huge
unfunded
liabilities
here
and
I
think
we
all
have
to
be
clear
about
making
sure
that
we
have
a
city
that
can
take
care
of
the
basics,
which
is
making
sure
that
the
streets
are
clean,
making
sure
that
we
have
streets
that
are
paved
because
you
know
I
hear
a
lot
of
folks.
You
know
conflating
this
with
parking
costs.
We
have
a
hundred
million
dollar
unfunded
infrastructure
liability.
We
have
to
charge
for
parking.
C
And
for
I
forgot
your
name
but
from
hewn
from
the
bakery
I
I
want
to.
Let
you
know
that
your
bags
that
you're
putting
your
bread
into
would
be
exempt
from
the
ordinance
right,
because
the
bags
that
are
directly
carrying
food
do
not
are
not
impacted
by
this
ordinance.
C
I
I,
so
you
know
I
I,
you
know
I'll
just
open
up
there
with
that.
I
certainly
want
to
hear
from
my
colleagues
this.
This
is
an
ordinance
that
makes
sense
for
our
community
I'm
open
to
summer.
Visions
I
think
we
should
keep
the
tax
at
15
that
allows
us
to
pay
for
the
education.
The
business
districts
are
asking
us
to
move
down
to
10
cents.
C
C
I'll
hold
there
and
I'll
I'd
love
to
hear
from
my
colleagues
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Any.
A
A
I
P
Sure
so
I'm
Kara
Pratt
I'm
the
sustainability
and
resilience
coordinator,
I'll
also
call
on
Brian
Zimmerman
Solid
Waste
coordinator
in
a
few
moments.
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
brief
history
of
how
we've
gotten
to
this
point.
So
back
in
November
of
2021
council
member
Reed
submitted
a
referral
specifically
to
talk
about
addressing
the
circumvention
of
our
existing
plastic
bag
ban,
that's
in
effect
and
then
simultaneously
interim
city
manager.
P
At
the
time,
Kelly
gandersky
also
prioritized
this
project,
and
so
I
did
want
to
provide
some
context
as
to
why,
for
example,
boxes
from
online
retailers
were
not
included.
It's
because
we're
responding
directly
to
a
referral
and
direction
from
our
bosses
at
the
time
and
I
certainly
would
be
eager
and
Brian
and
I
could
definitely
research,
retail
establishment
or
online
retail
establishment
boxes
as
well
in
the
future.
But
that's
just
some
information
as
to
why
that
wasn't
included
in
this
ordinance.
P
We
definitely
hear
that
feedback
and
we
would
like
to
work
on
that
issue
as
well.
In
terms
of
the
history
legislatively
of
this
issue.
Back
in
2014,
there
was
a
ban
on
thin
film,
single-use
plastic
bags
for
only
certain
big
box
retailers
which
has
been
circumvented
by
offering
thicker
film
plastic
bags
that
still
are
used
as
if
they're
single-use
bags.
P
We
also
worked
with
the
economic
development
department
and
with
the
business
districts
in
order
to
have
a
form
for
feedback
and
to
have
a
specific
meeting
where
we
talked
through
all
of
the
different
concerns
that
businesses
had
council
members,
Burns
and
Reed
were
present
at
that
meeting
and
how
I've
phrased
this
to
others,
as
we
think
through
all
the
challenges
around
this.
The
environmental
Community
has
strong
opinions
about
this,
and
the
business
Community
has
strong
opinions
about
this.
Q
Thank
you,
committee,
chair
Burns,
members
of
the
committee
I'm
Brian
Zimmerman
I'm,
the
solid
waste
coordinator
under
the
Public
Works
agency,
some
feedback
I
mentioned
council
member
Harris
mentioned.
We
do
have
one
comment
about
a
plastic
bag
collection.
There
are
numerous
Municipal
facilities
that
do
collect
and
public
works
department
actually
is
the
one
managing
the
labor
and
Equipment
costs
that
come
with
sorting
through
those
plastic
bags
and
making
sure
they're
getting
recycled
with
Jewel
Osco
as
the
the
partner
group.
Q
So
when
council
member
Reed
talks
about
externalities
and
costs
on
the
city,
that
is
one
due,
that
is
in
effect,
that
we
have
to
spend
hundreds
of
labor
hours
every
year,
every
six
months
to
sort
through
all
those
plastic
bags
to
make
sure
they're
they're
in
the
right
places.
The
other
one
is
one
that
council
member
Reed
mentioned
was
contamination
and
recycling,
carts,
plastic
bags
and
plastic.
Film
are
undoubtedly
the
highest
level
of
contaminant
contributors
in
recycling
carts.
Q
From
my
perspective,
I
do
think
we
need
to
start
shifting
away
from
disposable
single-use
items,
and
that
includes
paper
bags
that
we
need
to
be
looking
for
more
durable
goods
and
Outlets
that
reduce
our
contributions
to
landfills,
because
even
compostable
items
going
to
landfills
are
not
a
great
thing.
They
still
contribute
to
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
anaerobic
environments
which
landfills
are.
Q
We
need
to
find
better
processes
as
best
we
can,
but
definitely
keep
in
mind
with
the
the
ease
of
which
to
implement
Within
These,
smaller
business
communities
is,
is
definitely
Paramount
as
well.
So
I
don't
know.
If
there's
any
specific
waste
related
questions,
I
try
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
a
lot
of
different
things.
Q
That
plastic
bags
contribute
to
I,
definitely
Echo
the
sentiment
that
a
lot
of
the
research
that
council
member
read
echoed
is
consistent
with
a
lot
of
other
places
that
we
looked
at
a
fee
structure
and
behavioral
economics
provides
disincentivized
consumers
from
using
it
or
accepting
a
bag
in
those
environments.
There's
been
little
evidence
that
incentives
or
any
other
kind,
would
would
have
the
same
effect.
M
I
just
have
a
couple
questions,
so
I
guess
the
first
one
is:
what
would
it
look
like
to
just
have
a
straight
single-use
bag
ban
and
how
would
and
how
would
the
city
go
about
enforcement
of
that.
Q
There
would
be
a
complaint
based
enforcement
process
to
a
degree
that
we
would
have
to
be
looking
at
reports
or
as
complaints
come
in
through
3-1-1
or
potentially
spot
check
audits
to
see
if
people
are
doing
and
following
through
on
that,
we
just
don't
have
the
staff
to
be
the
police
and
standing
in
front
of
a
checkout
line,
or
something
like
that
to
make
sure
that
the
proper
bags
are
used
in
these
environments.
That's
just
kind
of
a
reality
and
I
think
that
would
be
consistent
with
almost
any
other
community.
That's
all
complaint
based.
M
Okay
and
So,
based
on
I,
guess
your
expert
opinion.
Any
municipalities
that
have
just
done
a
straight
ban.
What
what's
the
comparison
of
like
waste
reduction
with
the
straight
band
versus
there.
Q
Probably
is
no
waste
reduction
that
happens
like
I,
think
whose
name
was
Simone
mentioned
anecdotally
that
it
would
just
shift
the
bucket
into
being
paper
and
paper
has
its
own
undue
burden
on
the
environment,
from
water
to
Wood
and
Pulp
and
Paper
Products
that
we
would
just
be
increasing
our
use
of
that
material,
which
is
not
ideal.
Q
I
have
not
seen
a
single
community
that
has
banned
paper
use
either.
That's
why
I
think
they
usually
like
Fort,
Collins
or
Boulder
Colorado
or
municipalities
out
in
California.
They
implement
or
Institute
a
fee
on
the
paper
bags
to
provide
an
outlet
for
something.
If
people
absolutely
need
it,
but
try
to
reduce
the
usage
of
that
as
much
as
feasibly
possible.
M
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
also
want
to
mention
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you
folks
are
interested
in
in
pursuing
the
cardboard
box
and
Amazon
recycling
and
dilemma
when
this
item
came
up.
I
I
was
trying
to
do
my
own
research
to
see
if
there
were
any
municipalities
that
did
kind
of
similar
work
and
I'm
glad
that
you
folks
have
are
ready
to
tackle
that
going
forward.
I
think
we're.
Q
Definitely
we're
definitely
eager
and
interested
in
terms
of
utility
or
futility
in
terms
of
that
regard,
we'll
definitely
have
to
see
I,
don't
know
of
in
many
communities
that
have
had
success,
trying
to
stand
up,
especially
one.
That's
only
you
know
seven
and
a
half
square
miles
wide.
It's
better.
If
you
have
bigger
range
or
bigger,
pull
I
would
I
would
Echo,
but
definitely
worth
engaging
and
inquiring
about,
because
I
know
there's
other
communities
that
are
probably
doing
the
same.
A
Great,
thank
you
councilman
Revell.
Before
we
go
back
to
councilman
Reed,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
staff.
R
Oh
not
not
for
staff
necessarily
but
just
comments
for
the
committee.
A
We'll
go
to
councilman,
read
and
then
we'll
we'll
we'll
go
back
to
you
for
comments.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chairs.
So
again,
the
reason
just
to
make
it
clear
again
why
we
would
tax
paper
bags
is
Mr.
Zimmerman
said
we
understand
that
paper
bags
actually,
depending
on
how
thin
the
plastic
is.
The
paper
bags
are
actually
worse
for
the
environment
or
they
take
more
they're
compostable,
which
is
a
good
thing
right,
and
so
that
is
good.
But
as
far
as
the
energy
usage,
they
consume
more
energy
to
create
a
paper
bag
than
it
does
to
create.
C
You
know
if
we're
talking
about
like
a
0.5
or
a
one,
mil
plastic
bag.
A
paper
bag
takes
more
more
energy
there,
and
so
that's
why
again
we
want
to
reduce
even
paper
bags.
I
mean
it's
better
for
a
paperback
to
be
blown
around
in
the
streets
than
it
is
for
a
plastic
bag,
because
if
it's
in
a
non-anerobic
environment
it
will
compost.
So
that
is
a
positive
as
for
I
think
one
of
the
big
sticking
points
here
is
for
Amazon
and
for
the
larger
delivery
service
Services
one
they
tend
to
use
cardboard
for
delivery.
C
C
When
we've
had
the
meeting
with
the
business
community
council,
member
Burns
and
I
back
in
August
or
September
and
and
businesses
raise
the
Amazon
issue,
I
was
right
there
with
them,
but
it's
hard
for
us
as
a
municipality
to
enforce
something
against
someone
who's
just
delivering
here
and
not
the
point
of
sale
taking
place
here,
and
so
we
have
less
control
over
that
and
trust
me
I'll
I'm,
happy
to
you
know,
level.
C
C
C
But
and
then
you
know,
a
lot
of
folks
are
saying:
they're
fine,
with
just
the
the
ban
again
when,
as
Mr
Zimmerman
and
Cara
said,
and
and
as
Pratt
said
when
you
combine
the
tax
with
the
ban,
that
is
the
most
effective
regime
that
you
can
have
to
reduce
usage
of
these
materials
in
your
community.
Thank
you,
councilmember.
A
R
Well,
I
guess
I
would
like
to
have
us
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
exemptions
that
are
listed
in
the
in
the
proposed
ordinance,
because
I
guess
I
would
like
to
add
some
more
different
kind.
Other
exemptions,
for
example,
so
that
individuals
who
are
using
the
snap
program
that
those
they
would
be
exempt
from
the
tax
and
then
and
I'd
like
us,
to
talk
about
restaurants
being
exempt
from
the
tax
and
then
I
think.
R
We've
heard
a
lot
tonight,
in
particular
from
our
real,
our
very
small
retailers
and
and
their
use
of
what
they
call
gift
bags,
which
are
quite
quite
different
from
you
know.
The
big
grab
big
bags
big
paper
bags
that
we
all
see
at
Whole
Foods,
for
example.
So
those
are
some
things
that
I
would
like
us
to
add
to
the
ordinance.
Q
I,
don't
think
we
spent
too
much
in
Cara.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I,
don't
think
we
spent
too
much
time
discussing
specifically
gift
bags.
I.
Think
the
looking
at
point
of
sale,
optional
bagging
was
the
primary
focus
which
gift
bags
would
fall
under
if
there
is
the
need
to
discuss
the
utility
of
them
and
the
offering
that
they
provide
for
as
a
service
from
small,
brick
and
mortar
stores.
I
think
both
of
us
would
be
open
to
further
having
that
discussion
on
the
utility
of
it,
because
they
are
smaller
bags.
Q
They
tend
to
be
performative.
They
are
usually
made
of
paper.
I
have
yet
to
really
see
a
plastic
gift
bag.
So
I
think
that
discussion
is
warranted.
Q
Of
what
a
gift
bag
would
constitute,
as
because
it
with
all
of
this
we're
learning
that
definitions
is
very
needs
to
be
very
specific,
because
we
ran
into
this
issue
back
in
2015
2014
with
the
first
time
around,
and
we'll
probably
have
to
do
that
again
in
order
to
not
have
everyone
just
claim
that
they
have
gift
bags,
so
we'll
have
to
probably
figure
that
out
and
work
with
the
business
Community
to
come
up
with
the
definition
that
seems
to
fit
best.
If
that's
the
direction,
we
want
to
go.
A
We're
going
to
quickly
go
back
to
councilman,
Reed
I'm
sure
he
wants
to
make
some
comments
about
the
snap
recipients
as
well,
without
the
comments.
So
we
can
be
brief,
because
I
really
would
like
to
get
to
emotion.
If
emotion
is
going
to
be
on
the
floor,
get
to
a
motion
in
a
second,
so
we
can
vote
and
get
the
other
items
on
the
agenda,
but
councilman
Reed.
C
Yes,
so
with
I'll
start
with
gift
bags,
so
with
gift
bags,
I
mean
I.
C
C
Their
bags-
let's
just
be
real-
and
you
know
if
it's
a
gift
bag-
15
10
cent,
whatever
it
is
for
a
gift
bag.
If
that's
I
haven't
I,
would
love
someone
to
show
research
that
you
know
that
these
taxes
are
are
causing
people
to
leave.
I
mean
I,
hear
people
anecdotally,
saying
that,
but
these
have
been
in
place
for
many
years
across
both
our
country
and
across
the
world,
and
so
I
mean.
C
If
you
want
a
gift
bag,
then
you
know
you
pay
for
it,
and
a
small
charge
for
a
gift
bag
doesn't
seem
outrageous
to
me
and
a
lot
of
these
gift
bags
aren't
just
paper.
They've
got
like
a
coating
on
the
outside
oftentimes
and
or
some
of
them
do.
Some
of
them
are
just
paper,
but
some
of
them
I
think
one
that
I
saw
earlier
was
a
bit
fancier
than
that
and
had
kind
of
some
kind
of
almost
like
an
enamel-like
coating
on
the
outside
of
it.
C
So
I
wouldn't
be
super
enthusiastic
about
the
gift
bags,
a
gift
bag
exemption
for
SNAP,
again
we're
moving
toward
an
actual
ban
in
2024,
and
there
seems
to
be
at
least
consensus
around
the
band.
I.
Don't
want
snap
recipients
not
prepared
for
the
ban
again.
We
know
that
these
taxes,
the
research,
is
clear.
C
C
You
know
that
muscle
memory
built
up
to
remember
to
keep
you
know
disposable
or
reusable
bags
in
their
car
or
carried
around
with
them,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
disadvantage
those
folks
from
having
that
same
nudge
that
everybody
else
is
having
so
I'd
really
like
to
keep
snap
recipients
in
here
again,
so
we
can
do
what
is
Equitable
and
have
them
prepared
for
the
actual
ban
and
then
lastly,
restaurants
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
restaurants.
C
Many
of
the
letters
that
I've
received
from
restaurants
show
indicate
that
the
restaurants
are
fine
with
the
ban.
They're,
not
fine
with
the
tax
is
the
letters
that
I'm
receiving
and
you
know,
there's
nothing
stopping
a
restaurant
from
not
charging
the
tax
and
not
using
plastic
bags.
C
You
can
stop
using
plastic
bags
today
tomorrow
a
year
ago
and
you
will
not
have
to
take
on
any
of
the
extra
work
of
of
of
you
know,
calculating
the
the
bag
tax
or
emitting
it
to
the
city,
and
also
note
that,
in
this
proposal,
part
of
the
fee
goes
back
to
the
retailer
to
help
cover
those
administrative
costs.
C
So
you
know
that
that's
built
into
this
as
well
so
I'd
like
to
keep
snapping
you
know
again.
We
need
those
folks
to
have
the
same
nudge
as
everyone
else
to
be
prepared
for
the
eventual
ban
gift
bags.
You
know
maybe
more
open
to
that,
but
we
need
again
bags
or
bags.
We
need
to
get
them
out
of
our
community.
We
need
to
nudge
people
to
use
these
more
again
reusable
bags
and
if
you
want
to
give
back,
just
pay
for
it,
and
then
restaurants
as
I
said
so
that's
world
and
now
has.
Q
There
been
any
more
can
I
just
clarify
one
thing:
Council
memory,
just
in
the
proposal
just
to
lay
it
all
clear,
there's
a
tax
for
both
plastic
and
paper
at
the
very
start,
and
that
will
continue
until
the
band
and
then
the
paper
will
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear
for
anyone.
That's
listening
that
that
was
the
distinction
and
didn't
get
muddled
for
that
understanding,
so
tax
will
carry
through
there's
no
just
plastic
tax
from
the
start.
It's
all
encompassed
into
that.
Okay,.
P
A
Care
the
I
know
that
also,
what
came
up
before
is
whether
or
not
snap
recipients
will
be
over
the.
Whether
or
not
the
tax
will
be
an
eligible
expense
as
part
of
the
benefit.
Any
news
on
that
I
mean
I
would
think
it
would
be
assessed
in
the
way
any
other
tax
would
but
yeah
there
remaining
concerns
about
that.
Yes,.
P
So
I
explained
to
the
economic
development
committee,
as
our
Corporation
Council
explained
to
me
that
the
way
that
logistically,
a
snap
recipient
would
pay
for
groceries.
For
example,
they
would
use
a
link
card
and
anything
that's
not
eligible
to
be
used
with
that
link
card
would
have
to
be
out
of
pocket,
and
the
federal
government
cannot
cover
local
tax
beyond
the
sales
tax.
So
you
could
not
use
your
Link
Card
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
bags.
You
would
have
to
go
out
of
pocket
to
pay
for
the
bags.
If
you
didn't
bring
your
own.
A
Okay,
if
we
have
any
questions,
we
typically
don't
take
comments.
Public
comments,
past
the
public
comment
period.
C
I'll
just
say
it
with
the
the
snap
recipients.
C
You
know
snap
doesn't
cover
everything
out,
I
mean
if
you
need
to
go
and
get
paper
towels
or
you
need
to
buy
trash
bags
or
you
need
to
whatever
you
need
to
buy.
Do
you
have
to
come
out
of
pocket
or
for
those
items,
I
wish
snap
was
more
encompassing
and
could
allow
folks
to
get
other.
You
know
household
needs
as
well,
but
it
that's
just
not
the
program
as
it
is
set
up
today
and
again,
we
need
to
have
folks
have
the
nudge,
and
then
we
also
want
those
communities.
C
You
know,
because
we
know
our
city
and
many
other
places
are
economically
segregated.
I,
don't
want
to
see
a
bunch
of
trash
bags
in
the
eighth
Ward
or
in
the
Fifth
Ward
or
anywhere
in
the
city,
because
you
know
there's
a
higher
likelihood
that
snap
recipients
live
in
those
areas
and
we
want
to
make
our
entire
Community
cleaner.
We
want
to
nudge
everyone
in
the
same
way.
You
want
to
make
sure
everyone
has
those
same
triggers
to
change
their
behavior
again,
a
snap
recipient
wouldn't
have
to
come
out
of
pocket.
C
If
they
remembered
to
bring
a
bag
which
part
of
this,
you
know,
we've
spoken
with
cge
Citizens,
Community
Evanston
they'll
be
funding
through
the
education
to
and
and
plenty
of
other
communities
when
they've
implemented.
This
a
lot
of
particularly
bigger
stores,
give
out
branded
bags
for
free,
initially
and
so
there'll,
be
plenty
of
opportunities
for
lower
income
folks
to
have
access
to
the
reusable
bags
that
they
need
and
they
can
easily
avoid
the
tax.
Just
like
anyone
else.
R
And
I
hear
my
colleague
council
member
vote,
no
vote.
No
amend
the
ordinance
to
I
probably
ought
to
do
one
at
a
time.
I.
R
I'll
start
with
asking
that
we
amend
the
ordinance
to
exempt
snap
recipients
is.
A
C
I
I
hear
the
good
intentions
and
I
and
I
know
likely.
Some
of
my
colleagues
are
convinced
by
those
good
intentions.
We
will
be
doing
more
harm
than
good
to
snap
recipients
if
we
exempt
them
from
this
text
and
so
I
just
really
encourage
folks.
We
can
get
behind
some
of
the
other
stuff.
Maybe,
but
you
know,
exempting
them
I
think
will
do
more
harm
than
good
if
we
were
just
if
we
were
like
Chicago
or
some
of
the
other
communities
that
are
just
doing
the
tax,
potentially
as
a
revenue
generator.
C
This
tax
is
actually
meant
to
do
what
the
tax
is
meant
to
do,
which
is
change
Behavior,
it's
not
a
revenue
grab.
The
only
point
of
the
revenue
is
to
be
able
to
deal
with
the
solid
waste
to
deal
with
the
education,
to
make
sure
the
restaurants
get
some
of
that
money
back
and
have
some
funding
for
enforcement.
This
tax
is
not
a
revenue
generator
for
the
city,
and
so
we
need
to
have
this
be
an
actual
nudge
to
to
change.
Behavior
sorry
I
urge
a
no
vote
on
this
amendment.
A
All
right,
any
any
other
discussion
by
the
committee,
seeing
none
we're
gonna,
do
a
roll
call
on
this.
Please
thank
you.
C
A
All
right,
the
eyes
have
it:
I
will
entertain
additional
amendments
council,
member
Ravel,
if
you're
ready.
R
Sure
so
I
move
that
we
exempt
restaurants
from
this
ordinance.
C
Yes
again,
I
here,
I
would
how
about
gift
bags?
For
you
know,
I
I'd
be
more
okay
with
you
know,
as
opposed
to
the
gift
bag
and
I
know.
C
Council,
member
Revell
wants
to
exempt
restaurants,
and
we
want
to
help
small
businesses,
maybe
as
a
negotiation,
I'd
be
willing
to
or
I'd
be
happy
to
support
and
I
think
this
will
get
to
some
of
the
you
know:
businesses
there
that
gives
gift
bags
that
if
the
business
has
fewer
than
five
employees
or
some
number
that
they
are,
but
if
okay,
if
that's
I'm,
getting
weird
faces.
So
what's
the
number
we're
talking?
Five
I,
don't
know
about
square
feet.
O
Councilmember
Reed
just
a
suggestion,
maybe
considered
Revenue.
A
A
C
Yeah
I
will
I
so
I'm,
not
in
support
of
the
gift
bag.
I
trust
our
legal
department
to
be
able
to
find
a
definition
for
this.
Oh.
N
C
And-
and
you
know
maybe
revenue
is
that
Target,
you
know.
Maybe
the
number
of
employees.
M
Yeah
I
I
think
in
thinking
about
this.
You
know
we
we
don't
want
to
burden
small
businesses
like
I
like
personally,
like
Whole
Foods,
like
that's
really,
you
know
the
type
of
business
that
is
pretty.
You
know
giving
out
a
lot
of
bags,
I'm,
not
sure
if
there's
a
mechanism
around
like
a
small
business
exemption,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
that,
I,
don't
think
we
can
do
that
as
a
case-by-case
basis.
But
I
don't
know
if
we
this
discussions
happened
in
the
economic
development
meeting.
M
M
M
Q
A
Any
other
questions:
okay,
I,
want
to
make
a
comment
on
this.
I'm
certainly
not
prepared
to
exempt
it
today.
It's
probably
mainly
because
I
I'm,
not
I,
don't
feel
comfortable,
exempting
it
beyond
the
band
I'd
be
happy
to
understand,
exempting
it
for
the
period
before
the
band,
but
again
I
I
am
very
clear
on
this.
A
Is
that
this
city,
as
much
as
it
may
seem,
does
not
bring
enough
to
take
certainly
not
to
to
to
meet
our
climate
action
and
resiliency
goals
which
which,
admittedly,
are
relatively
new,
but
the
other
liabilities
that
that
councilman
re
mentioned
earlier.
We
don't
talk
about
it
enough,
but
it's
real
and-
and
we
have
to
find
Revenue
to
in
order
to
address
it
and
encourage
the
behavior
that
we
want
to
see
so
I
just
need
more
time.
A
I
might
be
able
to
support
of
that
Council
once
this
moves
forward,
but
not
not
at
this
point
any
other
comments
or
questions
about
this
before
we
call.
B
R
Oh
right,
well,
I
I
am
concerned
about
sort
of
the
time
the
whole
timing
of
all
of
this,
because
our
business
Community
is
just
now
really
beginning
to
recover
from
the
pandemic,
and
so
I
mean
I'd
be
happy
to
postpone
the
whole
thing
for
a
while.
R
But
but
that's
that's
why
I'm
really
looking
for
ways
to
address
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
tonight
from
our
smaller
businesses
and
and
I'm
particularly
sensitive
to
this,
because
you
know
the
Central
Street,
businesses
are
just
a
hop
skip
and
a
jump
from
Wilmette
and
truly
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
Residence
of
the
Seventh
Ward,
who,
let
me
know
that
they
they
shop
in
Wilmette,
because
parking
is
free
and
and
I
don't
want
to
give
them
another
excuse
to
to
add
to
their
trips
to
Wilmette.
R
So
I
am
and
I'd
be
I'd,
be
interested
in
seeing
what
our
thrive
report
is
going
to
say
about
what
we
can
do
to
support
our
business
community
so
I.
The
whole
timing
of
this
is
is
got
me
concerned
for
for
starters.
So,
anyway,
that's
all
of
that's
going
into
why
I'm
sensitive
to
the
whole
idea
of
trying
to
have
come
up
with
an
exemption
for
for
gift
bags.
I
Staff
mentioned
that
we
didn't
look
at
as
a
council
that
it'd
be
absorbed
by
the
businesses.
So
I
was
interested
in
that
statement
that
you
made
Cara.
P
As
originally
proposed
by
staff,
this
ordinance
was
meant
to
change
consumers,
behavior
and
so
originally,
as
proposed
by
staff.
Restaurants
were
Exempted
due
to
the
inability,
as
far
as
staff
could
tell
from
restaurants,
to
be
able
to
avoid
providing
a
bag,
and
really
the
nudge
was
so
that
consumers
would
opt
out
of
getting
a
bag,
and
so
that's
sort
of
the
behavior
change.
P
That
was
the
origin
of
all
the
research
that
we
did
and,
of
course,
over
time
after
several
committees,
this
has
changed,
but
that
that
was
why
it
was
originally
meant
to
be
a
behavior
change
for
consumers.
If
we
look
out
on
a
macro
scale.
Certainly
legislation
like
this
is
much
more
effective
at
the
state
and
federal
level,
and
also
even
larger
communities
where
you
can
get
at
the
manufacture
of
the
bag,
and
that's
just
not
the
case
for
Evanston.
That's
not
the
type
of
legislation
that
we
can
enact.
A
All
right
we're
going
to
do
one
more
comment,
a
question
from
councilman
Reed
and
then
we're
going
to
call
the
question
on
this
yeah.
C
Alderman
Revel
and
all
the
folks
who
are
saying
I
go
to
Wilmette
to
shop,
because
I
got
to
pay
50
cents
for
parking
or
I
got
to
pay
this
with
parking,
understand,
you're
paying
for
it
one
way
or
another.
This
is
something
we
should
advertise
to
make
people
proud
of
Evanston
make
people
want
to
come
shop
here,
because
Evanston
is
a
city
that
does
the
Bold
things
to
make
our
community
cleaner
to
stand
up
for
the
environment
and
if
you
go,
spend
your
doc.
C
C
So
we
have
the
resources
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
important
stuff
like
making
sure
that
we
can
take
care
of
the
the
folks
who
are
least
proximate
to
power
that
have
the
least
access
to
resources,
and
you
should
be
proud
every
time
you
walk
into
a
store
and
pay
15
cents
for
your
bag
or
you
pay
every
time
you
pay.
A
parking
fee,
know
that
you're
doing
your
job
as
a
citizen
of
this
city
and
you're
participating
in
the
full
life
of
Evanston
and
making
our
community
more
vibrant.
I
I
know
we're
trying
to
call
the
count
question,
but
I
just
want
to
be
careful
and
I.
Don't
think
my
council
member
meant
this
don't
live
and
we'll
met.
We
like
you
here.
We
want
to
keep
the
businesses
here,
but
I
do
want
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
tax
us
to
death
on
everything
on
parking
on
everything.
I
So
if
we're
going
to
hit
people,
then
we
hit
them
and
we
we're
honest
with
your
taxes
are
going
up
and
this
is
what
it
is,
but
we,
nickel
and
dime
people
I'm
one
of
those
people
we're
all
one
of
those
people.
We
have
to
be
careful,
I
don't
want
sticker
shock,
I
want
to
know
what
it
is
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
pay
it.
So
we
just
want
to
be
careful
because
then
we
end
up
disenfranchising
the
people
we're
trying
to
make
it
right
for
because
they're
part
of
that
taxing
body
too.
I
So
the
middle
class
ends
up
we're
going
to
lose
our
middle
class
because
we're
taxing
the
death
and
the
rich
can
afford
everything
and
the
poor
can't
afford
anything.
The
metal
end
up
suffering
that
crunch.
So
we
just
want
to
be
careful.
We
want
to
figure
this
out
collectively,
we
don't
want
anybody
to
leave
businesses
or
people,
but
there
will
be
adjustments
that
we
all
have
to
make.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
if
we
can
call
the
question
and
councilman
Reed
if
I
mean
Ravel.
If
you
want
to
restate
the
motion
just
because
we
have
somebody.
R
C
B
C
Q
Of
the
moment
here
it
would,
it
would
likely
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
40
post,
post-consumer
recyclable
material
just
for
helping
support,
Recycling
Industries,
making
sure
we
have
end
uses
for
our
recycled
product
if
we're
going
to
put
more
paper
into
the
recycling
stream
that
we
have
end
uses
for
that
stuff
would
be
important,
but
it
would
probably
be
ease
of
being
consistent
by
having
all
paper
bags
that
even
gift
bags
be
have
that
post-consumer
requirement
as
well
or
meeting
the
definition
of
compostable
I.
Q
A
A
A
A
Okay
carries
with
three
to
two
and
I
think
that
is
all
the
Amendments,
and
so
now
we
got.
R
Another
one
yes
I
I
just
like
to
have
us
look
closely
at
the
definition
in
the
ornament
or
carry
out
single-use
bags
because
it
makes
it
sound
like
it
can
only
be
bags
that
are
going
to
have
fruit
or
vegetables
in
them.
But
if
you're,
if
you're
getting
a
loaf
of
bread
or
some
kind
of
other
food
product,
I
I
think
we
just
need
to
make
that
definition.
Broader.
P
C
Councilman
Reed
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
you
know
for
hewn
who
now
has
left
that
their
bags
would
be
Exempted.
I
I
do
want
to
you,
know:
I
I
I
will
say
here's
one
concern
that
we
can
look
at
this
at
Council.
C
You
know
this
will
have
take
two
readings:
a
council
as
well
I'm
hoping
that
between
now-
and
you
know
when
this
appears
on
the
council
agenda-
that
you
know-
maybe
you
know
Cara
and
Brian,
or
the
economic
development
department
and
I,
and
whoever
else
is
interested.
Can
you
know
accomplishment
Burns
and
I
have
some
contacts
that
doordash
and
other
third-party
delivery
services.
If
third-party
delivery
services
cannot
and
I
think
they
can
Implement
a
you
know
a
per
bag
tax.
C
What
some
communities
have
done?
Is
they
charge
a
flat?
You
know
dollar
dollar,
fifty
whatever
it
is
for
takeout
for
this
tax,
and
so
it's
just
a
dollar
dollar.
Fifty
and,
however
many
bags
you
use
are
covered
by
that
and
then
that's
the
way
that
they
solve
for
the
takeout
issue
or
I'm.
Sorry,
not
takeout,
for
the
delivery
issue.
A
Councilmember
Ravel
I
know
you
were
seeking
some
clarification,
any
any
further
motions.
You
would
like
to
make.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
have
all
our
amendments
and
then
now
item
HS
was
that
one
other
items
for
consideration.
A
C
R
A
B
A
Yes,
you
got
to
know:
okay,
all
right,
the
eyes
have
it
moving
on
to.
C
C
Yeah
I
move
item,
hs2,
ordinance,
124.022
amending
the
city
code,
creating
title
12
title
12,
consumer
protections,
chapter
1,
cashless,
cashless
establishments
prohibited
is.
C
I
will
keep
this
brief
unless
they're
questions,
but
you
know
the
ACLU
has
has
done
research
on
this.
There
are
many
communities
across
the
country
who
also
have
cashless
bans
this.
You
know,
we
know
that
you
know
we
have
you
know
some
national
Studies
have
shown
that
there
are
about
eight
million
Americans
who
are
unbanked
and
that
represents
about
6.5
percent
of
any
Community
is
is
unbanked,
and
so
you
know
this
makes
sure
it
protects
folks
who
are
undocumented
folks
who
are
low
income.
C
C
You
know
someone
who
is
even
in
a
you
know,
domestic
and
in
an
abusive
relationship-
and
you
know,
maybe
a
partner
is
controlling
the
cards,
you
know,
and
cash
is
a
way
to
make
purchases
anonymously
and
so
there's
a
whole
host
of
you
know
reasons
for
this.
C
You
know
valid
as
and
again
Hume
has
left,
but
she
raised
some
of
the
you
know
the
oppositions
concerns
to
these
cashless
bands,
but
I
think
all
of
those
are
things
that
are
that
we
can
overcome
and-
and
you
know
again,
many
other
communities
have
implemented
this-
whether
you
have
cash
in
your
business
or
not.
C
You
know,
I
have
some
businesses
on
Howard
Street,
Palm
House
and
they
were
broken
into
you
know
a
few
weeks
ago
and
that
no
one
took
cash,
but
they
took
materials
from
the
place.
They
took
several
thousand
dollars
worth
of
alcohol,
so
you
know
just
being
cash
cashless
business
does
not.
You
know,
necessarily
deter
someone
from
breaking
in
overnight
I.
I
Thank
you,
I'm
fully
in
support
of
this
I
do
believe
this
is
discriminatory
in
practice
because
it
does
disenfranchise
those
who
do
not
have
access
ability
or
capability
of
hold
holding
bank
accounts,
Apple
pay
and
the
other
areas.
So
I
am
fully
in
support
of
this.
A
All
right,
any
other
questions
comments.
Seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
this
item
indicate
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
any
names
I
mean
the
eyes.
Have
it
the
eyes?
Have
it
all
right
next
up.
Can
we
get
a
motion
for
the
next
item.
C
A
C
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
the
police
complaint,
sorry
Chief
or
chief
Stewart's,
not
here,
but
Mr
glue,
I'll,
move
review,
Commander
glue;
okay,
Commander
glue,
I'll,
move
a
item
under
for
communication,
hs2
review
of
Evanston,
Police
complaints
and
comments
report.
Second,.
A
All
right,
it's
been
probably
moving
in.
Second,
it
we'll
start
off
with
Commander
blue
all.
S
The
first
one
is
CR
21-04
and
briefly
the
facts
for
this.
On
September
17th
to
2021,
the
accused
officers
met
with
a
tenant
and
landlord
about
a
tenant
landlord
dispute
as
a
media
that
mediated
this
and
had
contact
with
both
the
landlord
and
the
tenant.
The
complainant
was
a
landlord
left.
Their
contact
with
the
police
officers
accused
officers
feeling
that
they
were
were
rough
rude
and
that
they
improperly
made
a
threat
to
arrest
the
landlord
for
interfering
with
the
tenant
foreign.
S
S
S
Accuse
officer,
2
was
given
a
written
written
reprimand
for
the
rule,
violations,
applicable
training
and
laws
of
arrest,
search
and
seizure,
and
that
would
have
been
the
officer
who
made
the
threat
to
arrest.
So
that
is
a
summary
with
that.
Is
there
any
additional
questions?
I
can
answer
about
CR
21-04.
S
S
The
officers
responded
to
a
complaint
or
an
incident
or
an
individual
stole
money
from
a
tip
jar
in
the
800
block
of
Dodge.
That
suspect
was
stopped
and
arrested
pursuant
to
probable
cause
in
the
1200
block
of
Main
Street,
while
the
officers
were
searching
the
individual
they
took
some
of
his
investigation
in.
S
Let
me
back
up
the
Rusty
later
came
in
and
made
a
complaint
that
some
of
his
items
were
missing
the
most
significant
one
being
his
cell
phone.
An
investigation
was
initiated.
A
review
of
the
incident
revealed
that
when
the
officers
searched
the
victim
or
not
the
victim
but
the
complainant
during
the
arrest,
they
placed
several
of
his
items,
one
being
his
cell
phone
on
top
of
the
squad
car.
S
S
So
the
ultimate
disposition
was
the
chief
sustained
the
rule
violations
with
the
recommendations
that
officer
one
who
was
responsible
for
the
cell
phone,
receive
a
written
reprimand
for
losing
the
property
and
not
seeing
proper
control
of
it.
Also
Shift
level
training,
the
initial
investigation
wouldn't
say
hindered
as
a
strong
word,
but
got
going
a
day
or
two
late,
because
the
officer
forgot
to
dock
his
body
work
camera.
That
is
where
the
bodyworm
camera
is
put
on
a
charger
and
the
in
the
information
the
video
is
uploaded.
S
If
we
would
have
had
that,
if
it
would
have
been
docked,
we
would
have
seen
it
earlier
in
the
investigation.
We
would
have
figured
out
what
happened
or
a
day
or
two
earlier
officer
two
in
this
off
received
a
written
reprimand,
because
the
investigation
revealed
that
they
failed
to
activate
their
body
warrant
camera
pursuant
to
policy.
S
So
we
have
one
so
the
one
officer
who
received
the
written
reprimand
for
losing
the
prisoner's
property
he
forgot
to
dock
his
camera
at
the
end
of
the
shift
which
is
required
for
policy.
Now
we
did
not
lose
any
video,
but
the
video
is
not
available
in
a
timely
fashion,
so
they
were
given
a
shift
level
I
believe
Shift
level
counseling,
please,
you
know
emphasizing
the
importance
of
docking
that
camera,
so
the
footage
is
available
in
a
timely
fashion.
S
The
Second
Officer
received
a
written
reprimand
for
a
more
serious
policy
violation
which
was
neglecting
to
turn
on
his
body,
worn
camera
at
all.
So
there
was
no
bodyworm
camera
footage
Dr
not
from
that
cam
from
that
camera.
A
Thank
you,
council
member
Heather,
Collins
yeah.
M
In
the
report
it
mentioned
that
when
the
lights
there's
something
about
the
lights
turned
on
in
the
car,
there
was
the
assumption
that
the
body
on
camera
would
turn
on.
Was
there
like
a
this
like
a
equipment
malfunction?
Or
can
you
just
talk
about.
S
That
so
there
are
several
things
that
should
trigger
body
warrant
camera.
If
the
vehicle's
emergency
lights
go
into
a
certain
position,
I
believe
it's
position,
three
more
than
just
the
the
rear
lights
cautioning
traffic
behind
the
squad,
car
taser
is
being
turned
on.
This
should
activate
the
body,
worn
camera,
but
it
is
still
upon
the
officer,
even
if
those
emergency
lights
were
turned
on
to
the
point
where
it
should
have
activated
the
camera.
It's
still
on
the
officer
to
make
sure
that
that
camera
is
activated.
M
And-
and
just
just
so
you
know,
we
know,
how
does
how
does
an
officer
know
that
his
camera
is
turned
on?
Is
there
like
a
a
light
yeah.
S
There
are
red
lights
on
the
camera
to
let
it
know
it
blinks
and
periodically
beeps.
It
gives
an
alert
to
everybody
there
that
the
camera
is
on
the
officer
has
to
and
and
to
manually
start
it.
They
have
to
tap
the
center
button
twice
to
start
it
and
then
to
stop
it
recording
you
have
to
push
down
the
button
and
hold
it
for
several
seconds,
and
then
it
will
beep
at
you
and
let
you
know
it's
been
turned
off.
It
also
will
beep
at
you
when
it's
been
activated
so.
A
Saying
no
other
comments,
all
those
in
favor
of
placing
the
review
of
Evanston
Police
complaints
and
comments
report
on
file
indicate
by
saying
aye,
aye
opposed
all
right,
the
eyes
have
it
and
all
right,
seeing
no
more
matters
before
us.
The
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you
all
thank.