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A
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
this
is
the
April
26
2023
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission.
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives.
Depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
a
recommendation
to
city
council.
B
A
A
For
the
city
operation,
Council,
okay,
Nick
Cummings
is
with
us
zoning
administrator,
Melissa
klotz
planning
manager,
Liz
Williams.
This
is
a
formal
hearing.
There
are
rules
that
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
A
Any
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
list
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
corresponding
staff
memo.
If
testifying
States
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you're
at
a
microphone
when
you're
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
it
may
be
accurately
recorded
all
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
A
Any
matter
not
concluded
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
We
have
just
one
case
tonight
on
the
agenda,
which
is
a
continuation
of
1566,
Oak,
Avenue
and
I'm,
going
to
ask
Corporation
Council
to
please
read
their
statement.
C
Prior
to
the
hearing
on
November
29
2022,
bch,
1555
LLC,
then
represented
by
Ice
Miller
father
request
for
continuance,
Evanston
city
code,
6-3-5-17
mandates
that
eligible
Property
Owners
those
owners
of
property
within
500
foot
radius
of
the
subject,
property
who
wish
to
object,
be
granted.
One
continuance
for
the
purpose
of
presenting
evidence
to
rebut
testimony
given
by
the
applicant
on
November
30th
2022
when
parties
that
requested
continuance
of
continuances
were
called
No.
C
One
stepped
up
on
behalf
of
bch
1555
LLC,
and
the
petition
for
continuance
was
dismissed
on
February
10,
2023
bch,
1555
LLC
filed
to
verify
complaint
and
motion
for
injunctive
relief
in
the
Circuit
Court
of
Cook
County
and
the
court
entered
a
temporary
restraining
order.
Halting
the
process
for
application,
22z
mjv-0078.
C
on
February
24
2023
bch
1555
LLC
filed
a
motion
for
accommodation
asking
the
court,
among
other
things,
to
move
the
date
of
the
continuous
hearing
on
March,
2nd
2023.
The
court
entered
an
order,
granting
bch
1555
llc's
motion
and
ordered
the
continuance
to
be
heard
today.
April
26
2023,
so
we're
here
for
the
purpose
of
the
continuance
granted
by
the
court,
certain
cortical
County
for
bch
55,
1555
LLC,
the
percent
evidence
pursuant
to
code.
A
Thank
you,
Council
with
that.
We
do
have
the
continuance
that
was
requested
by
one
of
the
neighbors,
and
we
will
be
hearing
that
this
evening.
One
of
the
things
that
our
rules
do
permit
is
for
the
chair
to
Grant
time
to
speakers.
The
chair
has
decided
to
grant
20
minutes
to
the
neighbor
to
present
their
case.
They
have
also
submitted
over
350.
pages
of
documentation.
A
I
will
ask
the
the
Commissioners
to
please
hold
all
questions
until
after
the
presentation
so
as
not
to
interrupt
at
which
time
we
will
then
entertain
questions
from
the
Commissioners
to
the
complainant,
and
then
I
will
offer
an
opportunity
of
five
minutes
of
rebuttal
time
to
the
applicant
and
again
same
thing.
Asking
Commissioners
to
please
withhold
all
questions
until
after
their
their
their
presentation
and
then
ask
the
questions
at
that
point.
At
that
point,
we
will
go
through
our
normal
deliberative
process
and
render
a
recommendation
to
City
Council
on
this
matter.
A
At
this
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
I,
don't
know
if
everybody
on
the
team
from
both
sides
was
here
at
the
last
meeting,
so
I'm
just
going
to
swear
everybody
in
Anew
and
ask
you
to
please
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
swear
our
firm
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings?
D
Good
evening,
chairman
Rogers
and
honorable
members
of
the
board
before
we
get
into
the
testimony,
I
do
want
to
protest.
The
20-minute
time
limit,
I,
think
that's
unreasonable
and
that
said,
I
will
ask
Monica
Forte
with
Forte
and
Associates
LLC
to
approach
and
testify
with
respect
to
her
response
to
the
connections
for
the
homeless.
A
special
use,
application.
E
Good
evening,
chair
Rogers
members
of
the
commission,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
consideration
this
evening.
I
do
want
to
reiterate
Mr
judas's
objection
to
the
time
limitation.
I,
don't
think
it
comports
with
the
due
process
and
I.
Don't
think
it
will
be
sufficient
to
allow
bch
to
present
its
position
with
that
being
said,
I
basically
am
speaking
with
respect
to
the
elements
of
the
ordinance
that
connections
needs
to
establish
in
its
application,
and
it
is
our
position
that
they
have
not
so
I'll
get
right
to
it.
E
Rita
in
a
rooming
house
is
defined
as
a
building
or
portion
thereof,
containing
lodging
rooms
that
accommodate
more
than
three
persons
who
are
not
members
of
the
keepers
family
and
we're
lodging
excluding
Food
Services
provided
for
compensation,
whether
direct
or
indirect,
the
lodging
is
not
provided
for
compensation
and
food
is
Food.
Service
is
expressly
provided
there.
E
On
the
other
hand,
a
more
appropriate
designation
for
the
use
is
Transitional
shelter
which
the
ordinance
defines
as
a
building
or
a
portion
thereof,
in
which
sleeping
accommodations
are
provided
on
an
emergency
basis
for
temporarily
homeless.
This
description
does
not
define
emergency
basis
and
contrary
to
arguments
made
on
behalf
of
correct
connections.
Previously,
this
description
does
not
require
occupants
to
leave
the
facility
in
12
to
24
hours.
E
Moreover,
the
definition
of
transitional
shelter
used
by
the
Illinois
Department
of
Human,
Services,
Under,
emergency
and
transitional
housing
is
providing
shelter.
Food
and
supportive
services
for
up
to
24
months
connections
proposed
use,
does
not
come
court
with
a
rooming
house,
much
closer
transitional
shelter,
as
such
connections
is
required
to
comply
with
the
standards
for
a
special
use
as
a
transitional
shelter
under
section
6-3-5-11
of
the
zoning
ordinance,
which
it
also
does
not
B
connections.
Application
fails
to
show
how
its
proposed
use
is
in
keeping
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive
General
plan.
E
The
comprehensive
General
plan
is
the
governing
land
use
plan
and
the
failure
of
the
connections
application
to
demonstrate
that
its
proposed
use
is
in
keeping
with
that
plan.
Militates
denial
of
the
application
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
goals
of
the
comprehensive
General
plan,
but
again
the
failure
to
even
address
this.
How
the
proposed
use
does
comport
with
that
plan,
I
think
is
fatal
to
the
application.
E
See
connections
proposed
use
will
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered,
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
very
special
uses
of
all
types
on
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
the
effect
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
upon
the
city
as
a
whole.
We
have
supplied
the
commission
with
the
valbridge
report,
which
I
was
hoping
to
have
addressed
by
another.
Witness
this
evening
demonstrates
the
negative
impact
on
the
neighborhood,
including
the
increased
police
and
fire
department
calls
to
the
margarita
Inn.
E
We've
also
supplied
the
commission
with
the
statement
of
former
police
chief
Richard
Eddington,
which
also
demonstrates
that
police,
EMS
and
fire
calls
steeply
increased,
creating
a
strain
on
our
critically
understaffed
Police
Department
and
both
of
these
documents
demonstrate
that
the
impact
of
the
criminal
activity
at
the
margarita
end
since
connections
has
operated.
There
is
negatively
impacting
the
entire
neighborhood.
E
These
crimes
include
battery
of
a
resident
who
is
struck
with
a
brick
but
discouraged
by
staff
from
contacting
the
police
or
seeking
medical
assistance
death
by
drug
overdose
beating
of
an
11
year
old
child,
so
severely
that
the
witness
believed
the
child
would
be
killed.
Domestic
disturbances,
rape,
throwing
someone
through
a
currency
exchange,
window,
drug
overdose,
battery
trespass
and
investigation
of
attempted
arson.
E
It
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood
again.
The
Val
Bridge
report
that
we
have
provided
provides
concrete
evidence
that
connections
operations
at
the
margarita
Inn
have
adversely
impacted
the
value
of
the
neighborhood
properties.
Property
values
have
significantly
declined
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
the
margarita
Inn,
compared
with
the
marked
increase
in
property
values
outside
the
vicinity
of
the
margarita
Inn.
E
I,
don't
think
it
can
be
validly
argued
that
there
hasn't
been
a
negative
impact
on
the
neighborhood
e.
It
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services
again
referencing
the
valbridge
report,
the
police
incident
reports
and
the
statement
of
former
Chief
Eddington.
The
margarita
Inn
is
the
source
of
the
vast
majority
of
emergency
calls
on
the
1500
Block
of
Oak
Avenue.
The
Evanston
Police
Force
is
understaffed
and
there
are
numerous
other
high
needs
facilities
for
the
straining
the
ability
of
the
city
to
support
the
needs
of
the
margarita
Inn.
E
They
have
not
demonstrated
in
their
application
that
those
needs
can
be
met
by
the
proposed
special
use.
F.
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
Again,
there
are
only
10
parking
spaces
at
the
margarita
Inn,
assuming
a
staff
of
even
only
six
people
and
70
occupants,
plus
any
guests
they
may
have,
along
with
any
maintenance
staff.
10
parking
spaces
will
be
grossly
inadequate
and
the
again
increased
calls
for
emergency
services,
which
are
documented
May
stall
or
impede
traffic
on
and
around
Oak
Avenue.
This
special
use
application
fails
to
address
this
and
then
I.
E
Given
the
numerous
instances
of
criminal
activity
at
the
margarita
Inn,
the
use
constitutes
a
nuisance
under
evanston's
own
Public,
Safety
ordinance
connection.
Zone
application
demonstrates
that
the
number
of
crimes
occurring
at
the
margarita
Inn,
which
they
state,
are
fewer
than
10
in
one
year
identified
as
class.
One
crimes
demonstrates
that
this
constitutes
a
nuisance
again
under
evanston's
own
Public,
Safety
ordinance.
E
Here
connections
application
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
set
forth
in
evanston's
zoning
ordinance
for
a
special
use.
It
should
therefore
be
disapproved
again
requests
that
we
be
granted
at
least
as
much
time
as
the
applicant
was
granted
at
the
public
hearing
on
November,
30th
and
I
do
believe
that
our
truncation
of
our
time
limit
is
in
fact
another
violation
of
our
due
process
rights.
But
thank
you.
D
F
G
Thank
you
good
evening,
commissioner,
and
and
everyone
here
on
the
board.
My
name
is
Tom
Wolf
I'm,
a
nationally
recognized
recovery,
Advocate
based
in
San
Francisco,
I'm
also
formerly
homeless,
and
in
recovery
from
addiction
from
heroin
and
Fentanyl.
Five
years
ago,
I
was
sleeping
on
the
streets
at
the
tenderloin
in
San
Francisco.
What
brings
me
to
Evanston?
Well,
we've
also
been
watching.
Margarita
in
issue
is
actually
in
the
news
and
for
those
of
us
that
are
involved
in
drug
policy
and
homeless
policy.
G
We've
been
paying
attention
in
San
Francisco,
because
we
have
become
kind
of
the
epicenter
for
everything.
That's
going
wrong
around
drugs
and
homelessness
in
the
entire
country.
You've
seen
us
a
lot
in
the
news
lately,
I'm
sure
and
you've
probably
just
heard
that
our
governor
just
called
in
the
National
Guard
into
San
Francisco.
G
Here's
the
issue,
San
Francisco
practices,
a
low
barrier,
housing
first
harm
reduction
model,
I,
get
it
most
of
the
country
does
but
guess
what's
happening
in
our
low
barrier,
harm
reduction,
transitional
housing
and
permanent
Supportive
Housing
in
our
city,
overdose
deaths
in
2020
2021
in
our
sros,
which
are
low
barrier
housing.
First
Supportive
Housing
units
we
had
162
overdose
deaths,
65
percent
of
all
of
our
overdose
deaths
that
happened
last
month
in
our
city
happened
inside
at
a
fixed
address.
G
We
had
the
flagship
store
of
Whole
Foods
in
San
Francisco
abruptly
shut
its
doors
last
month
in
San
Francisco,
which
made
national
news.
Why
did
it
do
that?
Because
across
the
street
was
a
low
barrier,
harm
reduction
based
linkage,
Center
that
created
an
open
drug
scene
that
led
to
the
actual
store
literally
being
shoplifted
until
they
had
to
shut
it
down,
including
overdose
deaths
happening
inside
the
bathroom
and
people
with
meth-induced
psychosis,
causing
damage
and
assaulting
employees
and
200
employees
lost
their
jobs
as
a
result?
G
Why
does
this
matter
to
your
community?
Because
the
margarita
Inn
is
the
first
Domino
to
go
in
that
direction.
If
this
place
continues
as
the
transitional
housing
shelter
without
the
appropriate
services
that
are
focused
on
recovery
I.E,
if
you're
going
to
keep
it
open,
you
convert
it
into
a
Therapeutic
Community
that
promotes
recovery
and
wellness,
not
low
barrier
where
they
turn
a
blind
eye
to
drug
use,
and
the
proof
is
in
the
pudding
because
you've
had
at
least
three
overdose
deaths
inside
the
margarita
Inn.
That's
unacceptable!
G
That
literally
casts
a
pull
on
your
community
and
it
hurts
business
in
your
community.
It's
going
to
affect
the
rents
in
your
community.
It's
going
to
affect
the
tax
the
tax
base
in
your
community,
if
you
don't
believe
it
start
looking
around
at
other
cities,
especially
on
the
west
coast
that
are
struggling
with
this
issue
right
now,
as
we
try
to
bring
more
low
barrier
services,
our
downtown
is
still
cratering
from
covid
and
it's
not
recovering
because
of
all
of
the
all
of
the
death.
That's
actually
happening
as
a
result
of
the
drug
crisis.
G
Fentanyl
is
in
this
community,
it's
in
Chicago,
and
it's
in
this
community
too,
and
it's
only
going
to
continue
to
get
worse
now
in
regard
to
data
and
I'll.
Just
speak
really
briefly,
on
this
around
the
housing
first
model
in
general,
there's
a
growing
course
of
people
to
stop
and
review
whether
or
not
housing.
First
and
this
load
barrier
model
is
actually
working.
Hud
released
a
study
which
is
in
the
document
that
you
guys
have,
which
is
where
is
it
here?
G
It
is
Page
four
of
this
document
right
here
that
you
guys
have
in
your
paperwork,
if
you
would
be
so
kind,
is
to
read
it
at
some
point:
why
housing,
first
and
low
barrier
shelters
should
be
reconsidered,
so
in
the
last
annual
homeless
assessment
report,
from
HUD
from
the
federal
government
under
the
current
low
barrier,
housing
first
model
actually
shows
that
homelessness
increased
since
its
Inception
Nationwide
by
15
percent,
despite
a
200
billion
dollar
increase
in
spending.
G
G
G
Just
putting
someone
in
a
room
under
in
an
80
square
foot,
room,
that's
addicted
to
fentanyl
or
meth,
is
actually
more
harmful
for
an
addict
I
know,
because
I'm
in
recovery
and
I've
been
through
it,
the
majority
of
the
people
that
are
dying
from
overdose
right
now
that
you
see
in
the
news:
they're,
not
homeless,
people
on
the
street
they're
people
living
inside
and
they're
living
inside
permanent
Supportive
Housing.
So
I
just
caution.
G
All
of
you
to
consider
this
as
you
move
forward
to
make
this
decision
to
think
about
the
impact
and
the
harms
that
are
going
to
happen
to
the
community.
It's
about
reducing
harms
to
the
community
right!
That's
what
we're
all
about!
Nobody
in
this
room
is
against
housing.
The
homeless,
we're
all
for
it.
I
used
to
be
homeless,
I
I'm
for
it
right,
but
you
have
to
be
pragmatic
and
you
really
have
to
give
it
some
serious
thought
as
to
the
potential
impacts
it
will
have
on
the
community
as
a
whole,
because
guess
what?
G
If
your
tax
base
dries
up
and
next
year,
San
Francisco
will
be
780
million
dollars
in
the
hole.
That
means
a
10
cut
to
homeless
services,
and
that
means
more
people
end
up
on
the
street.
So
I
just
I
urge
you
to
think
about
that
going
forward.
There's
also
some
other
issues
briefly
about
Connections
to
homeless
homelessness.
The
program
that's
running
it
I've
worked
for
a
couple
of
different
ngos-
non-government
or
you
know,
non-profits
and
there's
always
an
issue
around
data
transparency
and
I.
I.
G
Just
want
to
remind
you
that
you
know
the
housing
Bill
of
Rights
only
applies
to
people
experiencing
homelessness.
It
doesn't
apply
to
service
providers
providing
services
to
the
homeless.
They
still
have
an
obligation
to
provide
all
the
transparent
data
good
or
bad,
not
just
how
many
people
they've
housed,
and
they
can't
even
do
that.
One
right
because
one
area,
it
says
57
success
rate
and
on
their
website
they
say
they
have
an
80
success
rate.
So
if
it's
57,
that
means
43
percent
of
the
people
at
the
margarita
are
not
they're
ending
up
back.
G
Where
do
they
go?
They
go
back
to
the
street
and
disappear.
So
how
really
effective
is
it?
So
we
really
need
to
think
about
these
things
and
thank
you
all
very
much
for
the
time
and
I
yield
my
time
to
the
next
speaker.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
Thank
you
and
good
evening
I
provided
a
report
and
I
believe
it
was
submitted
to
you
but
in
in
conclusion,
what
I'd
like
to
say
is
given
the
nature
of
psychiatric
illness
in
the
homeless
population.
H
The
result
is
that
we're
actually
perpetuating
homelessness,
we're
not
actually
helping
them
to
recover
in
any
way
we
are
giving
them.
We
are
giving
them
no
incentive
to
seek
treatment
or
improve
their
life,
not
to
mention
due
to
their
psychiatric
illness,
the
violence,
the
vandalism,
assault
and
crime
within
the
shelter,
as
well
as
outside
the
shelter
in
the
neighborhood.
A
At
this
point,
I'm
going
to
just
make
a
statement,
I
know
Mr
de
Clark,
socially.
We
actually
have
several
friends
in
common
we've
gone
out
socially,
but
I
do
not
feel
that
that
color
is
my
my
involvement
in
this
hearing.
Okay,.
I
Foreign
good
evening,
folks,
given
our
time
restraints,
I'll
keep
my
remarks
short
and,
in
summary
fashion,
I
believe
you
have
already
I'll
just
simply
State.
My
name
is
Gary
de
Clark
I
head
up
the
valbridge
property
advisors,
Chicago
office,
Valparaiso,
National
entity
on
the
senior
managing
director
and
principal
of
that
Chicago
office.
I've,
been
in
the
evaluation
business
for
40
years,
in
addition
to
being
an
appraiser
I'm.
Also,
a
counselor
and
I
have
various
appraisal,
designations
and
professional
designations
I'm,
also
a
licensed
broker
in
the
state
of
Illinois.
I
My
CV
is
included
in
my
document.
My
report
at
the
tail
end.
I
won't
go
any
further.
You
can
take
a
look
at
it
as
you
wish,
and
so
let
me
proceed
here.
I've
been
asked
by
bhc155
LLC
to
prepare
an
impact
study
relative
to
the
margarita
Inn
area.
I
I
I
I
We
look
at
901,
Maple
Avenue,
and
we
also
look
at
1406
Chicago
Avenue,
the
901
Maple
being
Albany
care
and
the
other
one
being
Chicago
I'm.
Sorry,
Greenwood,
Cafe.
A
I'm
going
to
extend
your
minute
your
time
by
five
minutes.
Okay,
all
right,
then
I'll
move.
I
Ahead
very
quickly
on
in
my
report,
you've
got
a
an
executive
summary
of
findings.
Commentary
I
was
looked,
looked
at
three
issues:
zoning
real
estate
impact
value
and
then
crime.
All
of
those
are
interactive.
In
my
view,
the
observation
with
regard
to
zoning
is
that
the
zoning,
as
we
know
for
the
margarita
Inn,
is
R6
General
residence
District.
I
From
looking
at
this,
the
margarita
in
and
looking
at
the
zoning.
My
conclusion
is
that
the
margarita
is
not
consistent
with
the
immediate
uses.
Apartments
condos
Museum
possible
future
Hotel.
It's
too
close
to
the
D4
zoning.
It's
not
a
classification
where
neither
rooming
house
nor
a
transitional
shelter
are
applicable.
I
A
review
of
the
most
recent
comprehensive
plan
map
published
this
past
past
month.
I
understand
that
if
comprehensive
plan
is
under
construction
shows,
a
variance
in
zoning
shows
no
variance
in
zoning
from
the
official
up
to
the
data
zoning
map.
Current
use
of
the
margarita
in,
in
my
opinion,
is
inconsistent
with
the
surrounding
uses,
as
well
as
inconsistent
with
that
comprehensive
plan.
I
I
You
take
a
look
at
property
values,
and
why
do
we
use
property
values
in
particularly
residential
values,
because
you
have
to
take
a
look
at
something
that
is
reasonably
trackable.
The
information
that
we
were
able
to
get
gather
came
from
the
multiple
listing
service
and
Cook
County
assessment
records.
I
We
use
Residential
Properties
again,
because
that
is
the
buyer's
interaction
the
buyer
has
to
take
ownership.
If
you
will
excuse
me
and
effectively,
the
residential
is
the
mode
of
measuring
utility,
it's
different
than
an
investment
investment
in
with
an
apartment
building
or
a
retail
Center.
Whatever
the
case
may
be,
it's
more
oriented
toward
return
and
investment.
I
I
So
we
look
at
utility
when
I
say
utility
a
person
looking
at
a
three-bedroom
unit
will
be
looking
at
a
three-bedroom
unit
here
or
here
or
here,
as
opposed
to
an
individual
looking
for
a
three-bedroom
unit
over
here
and
a
one
bedroom
unit
over
here,
there's
a
difference.
It
can't
be
Bridge,
so
the
utility,
the
use
usability
of
the
space,
is
important.
That's
why
we
compare
threes
to
threes,
twos
to
twos
ones,
to
ones
any
event.
I
I
The
residential
real
estate
on
Converse
increased
markedly
outside
the
immediate
area
and
suggesting
that
there's
a
a
diminution
of
value
for
property
surrounding
a
margarita
last
thing,
I
know
I'm
out
of
time
here.
With
regard
to
the
last
issue,
crime
is
the
third
issue:
anyone
who's
buying
property,
the
first
two
important
things
you
look
at
when
you're
buying
property
from
residential
standpoint
is
schools
and
crime.
The
schools
are
great
crime,
not
so
great.
Well,
maybe
I'll.
Look
it
somewhere
else
in
the
end
of
the
day.
F
I
That
there
was
a
gigantic
increase
in
fire
and
police
calls
in
this
area,
specifically
with
regard
to
the
margarita
Inn,
and
a
combination
of
that
suggests
that
there's
a
diminution
of
value
in
the
overall
context,
I,
don't
have
a
lot
of
time.
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
We
still
have.
Yes,
we
have
the
rebuttal
testimony
to
the
Lindbergh
report.
A
J
My
name
is
Neil
renzi
I've
been
a
real
estate
appraiser
for
50
years
and
I've
been
the
president
of
Brunson
Associates,
since
1975.
J
I've
been
engaged
by
bch
1555
LLC
to
prepare
a
rebuttal
report
to
the
Lindbergh
report.
My
findings
are
as
follows:
in
the
limbo
limberger
report,
she
states
there's
no
evidence
that
the
special
use
will
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
the
property
in
the
neighborhood.
It's
our
opinion
that
interference
and
diminish
value
has
occurred
due
to
an
increased
number
of
police
fire
and
emergency
calls,
which
brings
an
increased
risk
to
the
surrounding
area.
Second
point:
the
special
use
is
consistent
with
the
Margaritas
operations
for
almost
a
century
as
a
provider
of
short-term
housing.
J
J
J
The
operation
has
historically
attained
residents
that
were
working
people,
usually
in
a
transitional
state,
but
they
were
all
working
and
not
people
of
limited
means,
and
fourth
and
most
important
lindberger
report
says
there
is
no
evidence
that
the
values
of
properties
surrounding
the
margarita
have
declined
as
a
result
of
the
program
that
has
been
operating
here
since
March
2020
I
say
it's
our
opinion
that
diminished
value
has
occurred
based
on
the
sufficient
and
relevant
evidence
provided
by
the
velbridge
impact
study
that
the
target
area
has
appreciated
at
a
lesser
rate
than
the
control
area.
K
So
the
question
on
the
real
estate
evaluation,
the
area
around
the
margarita-
is
primarily
multi-family.
K
I
On
that
sure
we
tried
to
keep
the
controls
and
the
target
areas
pretty
similar
to
one
another
they're,
clearly
not
100
right
on,
but
there's
a
mixture
of
uses
in
both,
and
we
tried
to
recognize
that
and
for
the
most
part,
we're
looking
at
non-single
family
homes
but
Cooperative
Co.
Excuse
me,
Condominiums
and
or
townhouses.
L
For
the
title
of
this
long
report
that
we
received
just
as
response
to
connections
for
the
homeless,
full
letter
that
one
of
the
it
goes
through
the
different
standards-
and
one
of
them
is
one
of
the
parts
of
this-
is
a
list
of
the
the
crimes
that
have
been
criminal
activity.
That's
been
committed,
but
what
I
noticed
is
that
it's
the
dates
on
these
are
20.
2020
goes
up
to
2022
and
my
question:
is
we
reviewed
this
project
back
in
November
of
of
22.?
L
Is
there
any
I,
I
guess
my
question
is:
has,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
criticism,
including
my
own,
of
the
operations
of
connections
for
the
homeless
and
I'm,
wondering
if,
if
connections
did
anything
to
help
this
this
crime
situation
and
what
is
the
data?
What
is
the
result
of
whether,
if
they
did
anything
or
or
not,
do
you
have
any?
Do
you
have
any
recent
data
on
criminal
activity?
The.
I
E
Thank
you
again.
What
I
would
say
is
that
the
information
that
I
have
seen
is
again
it's
through
foil
requests,
so
you
know
we're
kind
of
limited
in
what
it
is
we
can
see
and
what
I
see
is
the
last
piece
of
information
that
I
have
go
through
November
of
2022..
E
It's
my
understanding
that
there
is
still
a
criminal
activity.
That's
occurring
at
the
margarita
end.
I
do
not
have
that
in
front
of
me
to
present
to
the
commission,
but
again
it
would
be
a
similar
foia
request.
So
it's
out
there
I
just
don't
have
it.
N
O
Hello
good
evening,
my
name
is
nifred
halim
and
throughout
this
process,
I've
mostly
been
kind
of
the
secretary
for
all
the
paperwork
and
I
I.
O
Unfortunately,
most
unfortunately,
I
have
to
tell
you
that
the
amount
of
crime
material
that
we
have
was
so
massive.
There
are
reports,
probably
about
three
weeks
ago.
It
was
challenging
to
figure
out
what
to
present.
We
know
that
you
have
limited
time
and
we
we
just
did
the
best
that
we
could
with
what
we
have,
but
there
has
been
sustained
crime
until
very
very
recently
at
that
address
and
at
other
addresses
that
connections
manages.
M
The
the
motion
that
was
of
for
consideration
on
it
back
in
November
of
22
had
17
conditions.
M
N
Was
presented
here,
the
neighbors
do
not
agree
that
any
of
them
enforce
our
connection.
Claim
always
that
the
homeless
bill
of
right
they
cannot
apply
any
of
them
and
I
think
there
was
a
testimony
today,
which
we
didn't
do
it
from
the
previous
chief
of
police
that
he
said
that
every
issue
comes
out.
Connect
first,
Incarnation
has
rules
inside
the
building.
Do
not
call
the
police,
you
cannot
call
the
police
to
the
reasons.
N
Second
thing
that
we,
the
the
neighbors,
were
not
participating
in
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement
and
the
condition,
and
they
just
issued
a
week
ago,
a
new
criteria.
They
wanted
to
add
either.
If
you
want,
do
you
have
an
access
to
itna,
Fred
yeah?
Maybe
he
can
come
and
read
it
here
God.
This
is
what
the
neighbor
wants.
What
is
he
going
to
read
to
be
added
to
this,
but,
as
the
original
one
I
think
is
just
talk,
they
cannot
do
anything
everything
they're
going
to
say
the
the
the
home
Bill
of
Rights.
We
cannot.
N
P
Carl
Kettler
I'm,
the
owner
of
a
building
within
500
feet
to
the
property,
I've
owned
the
property
for
33
years.
It's
a
rental
property
and
I
lived
in
the
building
for
11
years
I'm
in
the
process
of
moving
back
into
the
building
I'm
very
connected
to
my
tenants.
It's
the
only
building
that
I
own,
so
I'm,
a
small
landlord
and
and
I
did
I
did
participate
in
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement
committee
somewhat
grudgingly
it
was
a
John
nusma
sent
out
an
appeal
because
he
had
a
very
small
response
for
people
to
participate
in
that
committee.
P
I
did
talk
to
a
lot
of
people
in
the
general
neighborhood
and
a
lot
of
people
felt
as
I
did
at
the
time
that
the
the
committee
may
not
really
present
an
opportunity
to
express
what
the
what
the
needs
and
concerns
of
the
community
are.
So
I
was
on
the
committee
in
the
selection
process
to
be
representing
landlords.
In
fact,
I
was
really
representing
my
own
tenants.
I
had
frequent
conversations
with
my
tenants.
They
were
all
concerned
with
the
initial
establishment
of
Margarita
M
as
a
as
a
homeless,
shelter.
P
If
this
goes
through
the
effect
on
on
property
values,
it's
very
hard
to
nail
down
in
a
short
period
of
time.
So
when
you,
when
you're,
asking
the
question
of
anybody
else
that
can
speak
to
property
values,
I
won't
know
for
three
or
four
years.
That'll
come
out
as
a
naturally
occurring
process,
as
I
have
turnover
of
tenants
as
I
find
out
what
I'm
able
to
or
not
able
to
rent
apartments.
P
For
so
that's
a
that's
a
very
long-term
process,
and
and
that's
why
I
trust
the
the
research
of
experts
that
are
coming
in
and
presenting
their
position
on
that.
As
far
as
participation
in
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement
committee
there
it
it
was
advertised
for
participation,
but
it
was
very
challenging
to
get
people
from
the
community
to
participate.
I
offered
it
up
to
my
own
tenants,
none
of
them
had
an
interest
in
taking
the
time
to
participate
in
that
process.
P
P
You
have
my
submission,
which
points
out
to
the
participation,
the
members
of
the
committee,
it
it
was
very
heavily
weighted
to
one
side
and
and
to
a
large
extent,
those
of
us
in
the
community
ultimately
felt
like
we
were
not
in
a
position
to
be
really
representing
the
community,
an
official
in
an
official
capacity.
We
really
relied
on
John
newsma
in
his
capacity
as
an
elected
official.
To
do
that.
So
all
we
could
do
is
really
just
kind
of
provide
that
level
of
feedback.
P
A
physician
in
the
in
the
area
he's
a
retired
doctor
from
the
University
of
Illinois.
He
also
was
more
recently
aware
of
some
of
the
concerns
being
expressed
and
he
he
had
a
statement.
He
learned
about
the
the
group
only
a
couple
of
days
ago
saw
a
draft
of
the
items
that
were
included
in
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement
with
the
one
that
was
submitted
by
this
group,
not
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement
that
was
signed
by
Miss
Boggs
and
the
mayor.
P
He
also
points
out
that
his
observation
and
he
he
is
a
gentleman
Alan
Factor
who
has
worked
with
connections
for
the
homeless
on
the
commission
of
Aging.
He
expressed
that
there
was
again
unwillingness
to
provide
data
on
successful
resident
outcomes
and
recidivism.
So
you
know
just
some
more
concerns
on
that.
He
was
a.
P
He
was
in
the
department
of
disability
and
human
development
at
the
University
of
Illinois
Chicago.
He
co-directed
a
federally
funded
Center
on
Aging
with
developmental
disabilities.
I.
Actually
interacted
with
him
I
previously
owned
a
business
in
senior
care,
so
I
I
know
him
well
and
I
know
his
reputation,
but
but
again
he
just
was
was
expressing
concerns
to
the
philosophy
that
is
currently
being
followed
and
again
I
think
the
committee
has
seen
some
of
the
controversy
about
the
how
the
execution
of
housing
first
can
make
a
difference
in
terms
of
the
outcome
and
again
I.
L
P
P
P
The
the
problem
is
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
a
non-enforceable
agreement
and
I
know
it
was
presented
early
on
as
of
kind
of
one
of
the
legs
of
the
stool.
That
was
supposed
to
be
in
combination
with
the
license
agreement
and
and
I
know,
there's
issues
that
have
been
expressed
and
and
that's
not
this
committee,
but
I
know
there
have
been
concerns
expressed
as
far
as
whether
or
not
the
city
really
has
the
resources
to
Monitor
and
enforce
a
license
agreement.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
I
have
a
question
for
for
staff
and
I.
Don't
know
who
can
answer
this.
This
may
go
to
council,
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
even
answer
there
is
talk
of
this
operating
agreement
as
part
of
the
licensing
and
everything
like
that.
Where
kind
of
is
that
in
the
process?
C
So
this
the
city
good
evening,
Commissioners,
Nicholas,
Corporation
Council,
the
city
engaged
the
services
of
an
outside
attorney
and
land
use
professional,
and
he
reviewed
the
agreements
that
had
been
crafted
by
staff
in
conjunction
with
multiple
departments
and
City
staff,
conjunction
with
the
council
member,
that
represents
the
award
and
in
collaboration
with
connections
for
the
homeless.
For
that
matter,
so
we
believe
we're
actually
probably
closer
to
a
final
version.
I
have
received
that
feedback
from
the
outside
practitioner
I
have
not
personally
reviewed
it.
C
I
know
that
Deputy
City
attorney
ruggie
has
I,
don't
know
when
the
next
meeting
to
go
over
it
is,
but
we
do
have
something
closer
to
a
final
agreement.
A
C
C
Have
a
license:
you
can't
operate
the
facility,
it
was
a
was
brought
up
a
moment
ago
about
what
sort
of
mechanisms
I
mean
even
there's
a
process
in
our
city
code
to
revoke
a
special
use
permit.
So
there
are
many
mechanisms
that
the
city
would
use
or
could
use
I
should
say.
Should
this
turn
out
to
be
a
failure
or
something
like
that.
A
N
N
The
the
occupancy
reduce
the
70
people
to
less
numbers,
I
just
puzzled,
the
architect.
This
isn't
a
talk
but
rooms
which
150
square
foot
the
arrangement
now
to
have
some
of
them.
They'll
have
double
occupant.
When
you
take
150
square
foot,
take
the
bathroom
from
it.
Take
the
closet.
Take
the
bed
the
two
beds
in
it.
You'll
have
a
walkway
three
feet
wide
to
go
out,
so
the
people
will
walk
in
the
morning
have
to
go
out
of
this
room.
They
cannot
stay,
they
go
on
the
street
back.
We
will
We.
N
This
homeless
lost
all
their
dignity
and
pride
that
they're
in
this
it's
like
a
prison
cell.
It
is
not
real.
They
go
out,
they
beg
they
get.
They
make
fifty
dollars
a
day.
They
have
not.
There
are
no
facility
within
the
the
facility
to
treat
them.
They
don't
they
don't
have
a
nurse
to
be
sure
that
they
take
their
medicine.
We
really
have
took
all
the
dignity
from
the
homeless
in
the
building.
The
way
it
is
designed
now
and
it's
allowed,
the
neighbor
wants
to
to
reflect.
N
I
lost
the
sheet
that
to
separate
breath,
men
and
women.
They
want
one
floor
for
men,
one
floor
for
women,
one
floor
for
families
and
it's
it's
I
think
we
had
another,
which
is
not
testify,
somebody
who
worked
for
the
homeless
and
he
can
tell
us
what
goes
inside
the
the
the
connection
facility.
It's
a
disaster,
the
way
to
put
70
people.
There
are
no,
no,
no,
they
can
be
mixed
woman
here
men
here
they
could
be
harassed,
they
could
be
assaulted.
So
the
neighbors
want
floor
for
men,
floor
for
women
and
and
children.
N
O
It's
going
to
help
them
with
the
reading.
I
don't
speak.
English
provide
provide
an
anonymous,
Channel,
independent
of
connections,
staff
for
residents
to
report
if
they
are
being
harassed
or
otherwise
feel
endangered
prohibit
use.
That's
one
point:
prohibit
use
of
drugs,
alcohol
and
firearms
in
and
around
the
margarita,
with
immediate
eviction,
for
violation
and
sharing
of
information
with
police
provide
full-time
certified
social
worker
Staffing
at
a
ratio
of
no
less
than
one
worker
for
every
10
residents.
N
N
I
just
want
to
say
one
one
thing:
I
first
thing:
I'm
very
sorry:
I
went
to
court
twice
and
I
left
my
country
50
years
ago,
because
I
wanted
my
freedom.
I
wanted
to
speak,
so
I
apologize
to
all
of
you.
This
is
the
first
time
I
went
to
court
against
the
municipality
and
I
apologize
for
that,
but
I
think
we're
in
Evanston.
Here
we
always
led
the
whole
nation
for
Progressive
thinking.
N
The
whole
Nations
is
suffering
today
from
this
no
barrier
shelters
every
place
suffer
and
if
we
approve
it,
we
are
not
lead.
I
think
we
should
lead
the
whole
country
to
find
a
new
way
how
to
take
care
of
our
homeless
Evanston.
Only
I
won't
this
committee
to
understand.
We
have
the
right
and
ever
soon
to
limit
the
homeless
to
people
in
Evanston.
I
am
a
landlord
in
Evanston.
N
I
did
very
little
eviction
in
the
last
third
year
in
Everest
we
have
a
few
homeless
people
in
Evanston,
but
we
need
to
give
them
better
treatment
than
putting
this
in
them
in
this
jail
cell
and
all
we
want
just
how
much
you
get
money
from
heart.
I
think
connection
all
their
interests
just
get
as
many
people
in
Evanston
and
get
the
biggest
Grant
from
one.
So
I
urge
you
to
lead
the
country
to
a
better
solution.
L
Chair,
yes,
is
connections
going
to
speak.
A
Yes,
I'm
going
to
ask
them
to
speak
next,
but
I
wanted
to
get
any
questions
we
had
for
the
neighbor
before
we
did
that
any
other
questions,
if
not
I,
will
ask
connections
if
they'd
like
to
speak
because
I
did
Grant
some
extra
time
to
the
neighbors
I
will
grant
you
10
minutes.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Q
William
McKenna
one
of
the
attorneys
for
connections
I'm,
going
to
ask
Ms,
lindberger
and
Mr
Kiesel
to
come
on
up,
because
we
respect
your
time
and
we're
going
to
try
and
stick
to
it
and
they're
going
to
speak
a
little
bit.
So
a
couple
things
I
wanted
to
say
to
the
commission.
First
I
want
to
remind
the
commission
of
that
wonderful
night.
We
spent
here
back
in
November,
where
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
evidence
already
put
into
this
record.
You
heard
all
about
how
the
program
works.
Q
You
heard
about
the
Treatment
available,
the
social
workers
who
are
on
staff,
the
medical
professionals
involved.
You
heard
all
of
that.
At
that
time
you
didn't
hear
from
our
appraiser.
We
were
trying
to
truncate
things,
but
her
report
had
been
submitted,
which
concluded
there
was
no
negative
effect
on
value
she's
here
tonight
and
we'll
address
it,
and
you
heard
about
all
this
special
use
factors
from
George
Kiesel,
who
also
discussed
crime
statistics
for
better
or
worse
or
Distortion
of
crime
statistics.
Q
But
I
do
want
to
particularly
reference
the
experts
here
tonight.
We've
all
called
experts,
they've
got
experts
here,
we've
had
some
experts
and
you
know
we
live
in
a
society
where
there's
all
kinds
of
people
who
either
you
know,
self-styled
or
through
other
means,
present
themselves
as
experts
and
there's
all
kinds
of
topics
and
social
issues,
and
it
can
be
really
hard
to
figure
out
who
you
should
listen
to
and
who
you
shouldn't
so
you're
going
to
hear
from
our
experts
in
a
minute.
Q
You
can
weigh
their
testimony
against
the
testimony
of
these
experts,
but
before
you
do,
what
I'm
here
to
tell
you
is.
There
is
one
reason
why
you
can
really
believe
in
connections
and
this
program
and
this
application,
and
that's
because
the
data
shows
that
it
works
70
of
the
individuals
who
stay
at
the
margarita
Inn
exit
into
a
housing
solution.
Q
The
national
average
is
40
percent.
That
evidence
was
all
presented
to
you
back
in
November
I'm.
Just
here
to
remind
you
of
that.
You
know,
regardless
of
the
various
arguments
that
are
being
made
by
these
objectors,
there's
a
professional
team
of
trained
and
educated
credentialed
clinicians
who
manage
the
margarita
in
using
programmatic
best
practices.
Q
But
there
is
actually
a
really
well-defined
scope
of
how
it
should
operate
correctly.
The
margarita
Inn
is
actually
a
model
program
and
one
that
this
commission
should
be
proud
to
recommend.
Now,
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
Ms
lindberger
to
come
up
and
respond
to
the
testimony
of
Mr
de
Clark
and
Mr
renzi.
R
You
need
to
look
a
lot
harder
at
that
data
because
in
many
ways
it's
flawed
and
in
error
and
I'm
not
going
to
get
down
in
the
weeds,
though
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
the
Weeds
on
his
report,
but
I'm
going
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things
to
you
that
you
ought
to
consider
when
you
blightly,
assume
and
I
hope
you
won't
that
the
margarita
is
diminishing
property
values
as
he
referenced
the
fact.
He
looks
at
control
areas
he
and
he
looks
at
control
areas
for
four
facilities.
R
One
of
them
is
the
margarita
and
the
other
three
are
Hilda's
Place,
Albany
care
and
Greenwood
care.
Obviously,
none
of
these
three
facilities
are
up
for
discussion
tonight
and
all
of
them
have
been
in
business
for
a
long
time
when
he
looks
at
these
other
three
facilities,
he
he
picks
a
certain
control
area
and
he
defines
the
control
area
and
he
provides
you
data
regarding
it.
R
However,
there's
a
lot
of
inconsistency
about
the
data
he
has
on
this
control
area
and
I
know
this
is
detail,
but
it
drives
his
conclusion,
so
you
need
to
be
aware
of
it.
On
page
44,
he
tells
you
that
the
control
area
experienced
a
45
increase
in
property
values
over
the
period
2018
through
2023
on
page
48
8.
He
tells
you
the
same
control
area
experienced
a
4.8
percent
decline
over
the
same
period.
Now.
R
One
of
these
pages
is
wrong,
or
maybe
both
of
them
are
wrong,
but
he
uses
this
control
area
to
make
judgments
about
value,
increases
or
decreases
in
the
areas
surrounding
the
properties
he's
studying.
Secondly,
I
would
point
out
that
he
doesn't
use
this
control
area
when
he
evaluates
the
margarita.
He
picks
a
completely
different
control
area
for
that
property,
and
the
control
area
is
an
interesting
one.
Around
the
Margaritas
you're
probably
well
aware
the
buildings
there
are
older,
the
ones
that
that
are
owner
occupied,
they're,
older
buildings,
probably
at
least
50
years
old.
R
Most
of
them
are
one
and
two
bedroom
units,
they're
small,
and
he
reports
that-
and
this
seems
quite
accurate
to
me
that
over
the
five
years
he
studied
the
average
price
in
the
area
surrounding
the
margarita
range
from
about
a
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand
dollars
per
unit
to
168
thousand
dollars
per
unit.
So
for
Evanston,
that's
a
modestly
priced
housing
unit.
R
There's
no
doubt
about
it,
however,
in
his
control
area
that
he
uses
to
determine
whether
the
margarita
diminishes
property
values,
the
average
prices
there
range
from
four
hundred
and
thirteen
thousand
dollars
to
496
thousand
dollars,
and
he
concludes
that
this.
This
price
range
is
well
above
the
the
control
area
that
he
used
for
the
other
three
facilities.
R
He
concludes
that
the
the
appreciation
rate
for
these
clearly
more
modern
and
larger,
more
expensive
units
in
the
control
area
was
greater
because
they
were
not
near
the
margarita,
rather
than
the
fact
that
they
are
simply
a
different
unit
and
attract
a
different
kind
of
buyer
and,
lastly,
I
would
point
out
he
he
concludes
that
his
data,
flawed
as
it
is
supports
the
fact
that
the
margarita
diminishes
property
values.
R
Interestingly
enough,
his
data,
if
you
look
at
it,
indicates
that
Albany
care
seems
to
increase
property
values,
because
the
rate
of
increase
in
the
area
surrounding
Albany
care
facility
is
higher
than
for
the
control
group
he's
the
control
area,
he
cites
for
Albany
care.
Neither
of
those
things
are
true.
The
margarita
does
not
depress
value
and
Albany
care
does
not
increase
value.
S
Good
evening,
everyone
for
the
record,
my
name
is
George
Kissel,
I'm,
a
licensed
architect
and
certified
planner
and,
as
you
know,
I
testified
prior
on
this
case.
Quite
a
while
ago,
I'm
going
to
basically
just
address
the
standards
that
have
been
addressed
by
the
opposition.
S
The
first
standard
has
to
do
with
whether
it's
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
We
know
they
did.
The
opposition
is
now
disputing
something
that's
been
established
in
Prior
hearings,
mainly
that
the
proposed
use
is
indeed
properly
classified
as
a
rooming
house.
They
basically
claim
three
points
in
support
of
that
assertion.
They
assert
that
the
definition
anticipates
that
there's
a
keeper
and
the
guests
are
not
a
member
of
the
Keeper's
family.
S
S
S
S
All
right,
well
we're
gonna,
just
move
on
from
that,
because
I
believe
it's
a
ridiculous
argument
with
respect
to
the
second
standard
which
has
to
do
that,
it
being
keeping
in
the
purpose
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
know
that
evanston's
plan
is
from
2000
it's
more
than
22
years
old.
It
was
not
published,
March,
27
2023.
S
In
fact,
the
RFP
for
the
new
comp
plan
was
just
let
in
April
is
indicated
in
Prior
reports
and
testimony
ever
since
2000
comprehensive
plan
is
generally
mute
on
the
issues
relevant
to
this
proposal
and
it
references
the
city's
HUD
Consolidated
plans
for
detailed
discussion
of
policies
regarding
housing
and
homelessness
quotes
from
the
comp
plan,
basically
state
that
the
Consolidated
plan
should
be
referred
to
for
more
detailed
analysis
of
the
housing
market,
vis-a-vis
housing
evidence
and
special
needs
populations
and
policies
for
addressing
homelessness
in
the
community.
S
A
S
And
we'll
go
we'll
go
through
that.
So,
first
of
all
this,
this
is
the
standard
that
has
to
do
with
whether
there'll
be
a
negative
cumulative
effect
on
the
immediate
area
or
neighborhood.
Again,
the
proposed
use
is
substantially
similar
to
the
prior
use
that
has
existed
for
more
than
a
century.
The
land
use
impact
of
the
roomy
house
is
not
significantly
altered
by
the
chains
of
its
clientele.
S
S
A
L
.,
do
you
have
any
data
on
on
the
criminal
activity
after
November
of
last
year
until
now,.
S
Right,
so
what
you're
seeing
here
is
an
analysis
police
calls
to
the
50
1550
block
of
Oak
that
provides
context
and
detail
regarding
which
calls
were
specifically
attributed
to
the
margarita
and
and
which
ones
are
internal
to
the
margarita
and
in
other
words,
which
had
no
outside
impact,
the
20
22
to
23
data,
and
this
is
from
the
same
sources
that
have
been
quoted
by
the
opposition
they're
from
foia
requests
from
the
City
of
Evanston,
as
well
as
from
the
dashboard
for
some
of
the
historic
data.
That's
available
online.
The.
F
S
2022
23
data.
We
received
the
information
from
March
to
the
end
of
December
in
2022.
We
prorated
that
by
increasing
it
by
25
percent
to
account
for
the
fourth
quarter.
That's
a
conservative
estimate
because,
as
we
all
know,
in
the
winter
months,
there's
less
activity
surrounding
the
area
and
generally
less
crime
or
less
demand
for
police
calls
in
that,
and
what
this
shows
is
certainly
an
increase
when
the
margarita
Inn
began,
operating
and
again
to
remind
this
is
tabulated
from
March
to
March,
so
that
we
have
an
Apples
to
Apples
annual.
S
Look
at
you
know
what
the
what
the
impact
is,
because
the
margarita
and
opened
in
March
of
2020.
and
what
you
see
is
the
beginning
of
a
decline
in
the
amount
of
calls
that
have
been
drawn
to
the
margarita
Inn.
That's
all
I
really
have
to
say
about
that.
Yeah.
L
When
I
look
at
this,
though
I
see
that
the
external
calls
have
increased
and
the
internal
calls
have
decreased
and
in
this
chart,
but
we
also
heard
testimony
that
said
that
you're
not
reporting
these
to
the
police,
so
I
I
mean
I,
have
to
take
that
into
consideration.
So
I'm
not
sure
that
this
shows
me
the
real
story.
Well,.
S
The
data
is
from
Floyd
from
the
City
of
Evanston
Police
Department
and
that's
what
they're.
L
S
The
internal
crimes
are
just
the
ones,
so
we
we
have
internal
data
from
connections
for
the
homeless
as
to
the
calls
that
originate
from
inside
the
margarita
Inn
that
apply
to
only
incidents
inside
the
margarita
Inn
and
that's
what
that
number
is
so.
The
46,
58
and
67
are
all
of
the
calls
from
the
police
data
attributable
to
the
1566
address
breakdown
in
between
there
is
provided
from
information
from
the
margarita,
Inn
and
connections
for
the
homeless.
Q
So
I
did
want
to
just
add
one
thing
to
commissioner
Helix.
A
recent
question
about
9-1-1
calls-
and
this
is
already
in
your
materials
of
the
policy-
was
in
our
in
our
on
9-1-1
calls.
Is
it
page
16
of
the
operating
procedures
that
are
in
the
special
use
permit
package,
so
you'll
see
the
policy
that
says
when
and
under
what
circumstances
you
should
call
the
police
can.
L
I
ask
you
another
question.
This
came
up
just
a
while
ago
about
this
new
neighborhood
agreement
right
and
I.
Read
it
and
I
thought
there
were
a
lot
of
good
things
in
it.
What
does
connections
think
about.
T
Evening,
everyone
I'm
Betty
Buck
I'm,
the
CEO
of
connections
for
the
homeless
with
me,
is
Tina
white
she's,
our
chief
program
officer,
so
we
did
See
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement
when
it
came
out
in
the
paper
like
you
did,
we
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
collaborate
on
that
agreement
in
any
way.
There
are
some
things
in
that
agreement
that
are
already
happening.
There
are
some
that
are
not
reasonable.
T
L
Yeah
but
I
think
that's
a
fundamental
issue.
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
fundamental
argument
in
a
residential
Community
like
this
one,
on
this
block
to
to
limit
the
number
of
people
easier
to
control
easier.
You
know
easier
to
monitor.
All
of
that.
That's
just
my
first.
T
Yeah
I
understand
why
that
would
be
the
case
and
we
do
limit
the
number
of
people
you
did.
You
asked
if
we
had
had
a
decrease
in
population
over
the
last
few
months.
At
the
very
peak
of
the
pandemic,
we
were
running
operations
out
of
three
different
hotels
and
I
can
I
agree
with
you
that
there
is
a
cap
to
the
number
of
people
that
should
be
in
a
facility
like
this.
We
had
about
200
people
at
the
Orrington,
and
that
was
too
much
that
was
too
much.
T
30
is
not
sufficient
and
it's
it
so
we're
not
trying
to
just
pack
as
many
people
as
we
can
in
there
we've
the
reason
that
our
population
has
decreased.
We
at
one
point
had
about
70
people
in
there
toward
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
but
we've
taken
more
rooms
off
lines,
more
sleeping
rooms,
offline
in
order
in
order
to
provide
more
kneading
space.
We
have
a
medical
clinic
there
now
so
so
the
decrease
in
populations
is
directly
related
to
the
to
the
increase
in
Services.
How.
T
T
A
Sorry
on
the
TV
problems
we
have
with
modern
tall
technology
questions
of
staff,
so
if
I
remember
correctly
and
I
could
look
it
up,
but
I
don't
know
exactly
where
to
find
it
in
all
these
Pages.
There
are
44
rooms.
If
I'm
correct
is
that
correct.
U
A
Okay,
so
for
generally,
that
number
there
so
we're
looking
if
they're,
if,
if
they're
housing,
50
people,
it's
roughly
one
person
per
room,
although
I
do
realize
there
are
families,
there
are
couples
things
like
that.
Do
all
the
rooms
meet
the
requirements
for
the
occupancy
that
would
be
required
under
the
zoning
code.
U
L
So
that
standard
allows
for
two
people
to
be
in
150
square
foot,
room.
F
A
We
we've
we've
discussed
that
before
when
it's
been
before
us
on
other
cases
of
people
wanting
to
put
stuff
in
so
I'll
I'll
get
just
a
moment.
Just
we
want
to
make
sure
everybody
gets
recorded
and
heard
Mr
Kissel.
S
If
I
could
address
the
issue
regarding
occupancy,
so
there's
a
standard
that
exists,
that's
provided
Us
by
staff
that
dictates
50
square
foot
per
person
from
multiple
occupancy
in
a
room.
So
I
did
the
analysis
based
on
the
square
footage
of
each
room,
excluding
bathrooms,
excluding
circulation
for
the
46
rooms
in
the
margarita
and
the
average
size
based
on
that
kind
of
criteria
is
about
212
square
feet.
So
the
actual
occupancy
per
code
allowed
approaches
170..
L
U
Just
to
confirm
that
that
is
correct
as
we're
going
through
emails
and
finding
some
of
that
data
that
we
knew
we
had
somewhere
and
also
just
to
remind
everyone
that
those
occupancy
limits
those
are
based
on
rooms
for
a
rooming
house.
These
are
not
each
full
dwelling
units,
so
that
may
make
a
difference.
A
All
right,
thank
you
on
this
blog
I'm,
going
to
ask
you
on
this
white
to
return.
Please
sorry
to
have
you
bounce
up
and
down
some
of
the
other
things
we
started
talking
about
some
of
the
things
that
were
concerns
of
the
neighborhood
and
whereas
we
don't
really
weigh
into
the
whole
Good
Neighbor
agreement.
That's
not
our
purview.
A
The
the
operating
license
is
not
really
our
purview
either,
but
we
do
make
recommendations
based
on
things
and
if,
if
we
feel
some
of
those
things
do
affect
the
use
of
the
special
use
that
we're
recommending,
we
would
put
those
into
to
raise
the
flag
to
City
Council
of
hey.
This
is
something
you
should
look
at
consider
so
some
of
the
other
things
that
that
have
come
up
through
that
agreement.
I
know
we
talked
back
in
in
November
about
alcohol
use,
drug
use
that
sort
of
stuff.
T
Any
I'll
start
with
the
drug
use.
A
substance
that's
elicit
outside
of
the
margarita
is
not
allowed
inside
the
margarita
so
that
that's
pretty
clear.
We
do
allow
alcohol
use
in
private
rooms.
We
do
not
allow
any
alcohol
use
inside
in
any
common
areas
and
it
can't
be
consumed
in
front
of
other
people.
The
way
we
deal
with
disruption
that
may
be
caused
by
any
number
of
things.
Sober
people
can
cause
all
kinds
of
disruption,
as
can
people
who
are
intoxicated
as
we
deal
with
the
behavior.
T
V
C
A
T
Sorry
you're
coming
what
would
like
to
speak
to
the
legality
of
it
I
can.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
at
any
given
time
about
80
percent
of
the
people
that
we're
serving
are
from
Evanston.
We
do
not
have
contracts
with
other
municipalities
to
House
people
at
the
margarita.
We
do
receive
most
of
our
operating
funds
from
Cook,
County,
and
but
the
reality
is
that
the
people
who
are
homeless
are
generally
from
this
area.
C
K
Dwell
too
much
on
this
I
know,
there
has
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
your
relationship
with
the
police,
your
working
relationship
with
the
police
and
I'm.
Assuming
you
saw
the
letter
from
the
previous
chief
of
police
in
the
packet.
K
Can
you
comment
on
what
has
changed
since
November
of
last
year
with
how
you
are
approaching
your
relationship
with
the
police
to
make
sure
that
neighbors
will
feagle
that,
if
something
happens,
you
will
be
actively
engaged
with
the
process
of
resolving
it?
How
you
will
how
you
will
do
that
with
the
police?
Sure.
T
I
can
share
that.
We
have
had
a
series
of
meetings
with
beat
cops
and
police
leadership
in
which
we
sort
of
talked
with
our
line
staff
and
their
line
staff
about
how
these
relationships
were
going,
and
we
got
a
lot
of
great
feedback
from
that.
We
have
strong
relationships
with
police
leadership.
Chief
steward
and
I
talk
regularly.
She
shared
with
me
that
she's
has
no
problem
with
us
whatsoever.
I
believe
you
did
put
a
condition
in
the
sup
for
us
to
allow
access
to
police
with
a
lock
box.
T
I
will
say
that,
in
my
opinion,
Chief
Eddington
mischaracterized
our
relationship
with
the
police.
We
do
call
the
police
when
we
should.
We
do
not
have
a
don't
call
9-1-1
policy
when
we
call
the
police
we
let
them
in.
If
a
resident
calls
the
police
we
let
the
police
in
the
only
time
when
we're
invoking
That
Homeless
Bill
of
Rights
is
when
a
police
officer
may
be
conducting
an
investigation
and
they
just
kind
of
show
up
and
go.
Hey
does
Fred
live
here?
T
A
Not
seeing
any
thank
you
I'm
going
to
to
just
do
a
quick
little
I'll,
let
you
do
a
quick
little
summation
to
anything
and
then
I'll
give
you
the
final
word,
sir.
On
anything.
O
G
It's
really
quick,
so
if
nobody
reports
crime,
then
there's
no.
It's
not
reported
as
data
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
There's
a
huge
problem
with
that,
going
on
and
across
America
right
now,
with
crimes
not
being
reported.
This
right
here,
I
just
want
to
share
really
briefly.
This
is
the
margarita
in
participant
handbook.
G
It
says:
9-1-1
calls
right
here:
number
G
calling
9-1-1
should
be
limited
strictly
to
life-threatening
emergencies
for
non-life-threatening
medical
needs.
Please
contact
connectionsaf
to
determine
appropriate
course
of
action,
so
if
you're
being
robbed
or
assaulted,
but
it's
not
life-threatening,
you
shouldn't
call
9-1-1.
That's
that's
what
it
says.
It's
in
writing.
G
O
About
that
I
have
little
children,
and
this
bothers
me
there.
There
are
multiple
instances
with
one
instance
where
there
one
instance
that
comes
to
mind,
but
there
are
others
where
there
is
a
little
boy
who
is
being
beaten
up
so
badly
by
his
mom
and
the
maid
comes
to
help
him
because
there's
no
staff
around
and
there
are
no
cameras
and
the
the
maid
gets
the
caseworker
and
the
caseworker
says
the
maid
says,
call
the
police
and
in
the
police
report
it
says,
don't
call
we're
going
to
handle
it.
O
Our
staff
is
going
to
handle
it.
I
cannot
accept
that
I
cannot
accept
that
the
happening
to
a
little
child.
There
are
situations,
another
police
report
where
a
man
is
raped
and
the
police
come
to
do
an
investigation
and
they
cannot
get
access
to
the
building.
They
cannot
get
floor
plans
they.
This
police
officer
goes
to
the
building
multiple
times
and
he
is
met
consistently
with
refusal
and
non-cooperation.
I
can't
accept
it.
O
O
I
can't
accept
that
for
children
and
for
people
who
are
vulnerable,
you
can't
put
vulnerable
people
next
to
people
who
are
going
to
be
predatory
to
them
and
have
no
staff
and
no
cameras
and
no
access
to
videos
and
the
vid
and
the
the
surveys
that
you
have
with
the
police
100
the
police
say
when
we
come
there,
they
act
like
they
don't
want
us.
We
come
because
you
call
us,
we
never
want
to
be
there
ever
because
you
make
us
know
that
you
don't
want
to
be
there.
O
I
am
the
Fred
halim
I
work
with
Mr
halim
and
I
help
in
the
company
I
work
in
the
company
I'm
at
the
Museum
very
regularly.
I
talked
to
our
staff.
I've
had
to
clean
up
fecal
matter
in
front
of
our
building.
I.
O
I
have
every
police
report
I
have
tried.
The
police
activity
in
these
buildings
is
overwhelming.
I
could
not
assemble
a
packet
for
this
body
before
me
and
it's
why
I'm
so
upset,
because
we
are
giving
people
we're
Community
people,
but
this
is
not
right.
This
is
not
right
on
any
level
when
this
homeless
shelter
is
done
correctly,
we're
going
to
be
the
first
people
to
donate.
It
will
come
and
open
your
door,
but
this
is
not
acceptable.
N
But
I
really
believe
that
the
data
that
gave
you
is
all
wrong:
I
have
the
William.
Can
you
come
please
here,
William
tell
you
that
50
of
the
building
is
150
square
feet
and
I.
If
I
has
any
conscience
I'm
putting
two
people
in
a
room,
150
square
feet
with
two
feet
and
the
William
have
studied
the
floor
plan
in
the
building.
There
are
no
facilities
in
it.
N
V
Is
William
ing,
I'm,
a
licensed
architect
for
the
past
24
years,
and
so
I
studied
the
shelter
and
the
floor
plans?
And
you
know
the
rooms
not
only
the
rooms
are
the
issue
for
the
psychological
development
and
and
of
the
residents,
but
also
just
the
density
in
the
building.
If
we
fill
all
46
rooms,
what
do
we
have
left
over?
Do
we
have
enough
support
spaces?
Do
we
have
Rehabilitation
spaces
and
I?
V
Don't
think
you
know,
there's
any
rooms
left
over
other
than
the
common
spaces
on
the
first
floor
and
the
basement
so
I
think
that's
the
key
issue.
If
we
pack
the
building
with
70
plus
beds,
do
we
have
enough
Services
left
over
to
help
the
residents.
N
I
am
here
for
Evanston
the
thick
a
lead
and
take
care
of
our
don't
go
with
you
to
take
care
of
our
homeless.
William
have
studied
about.
New
rules,
came
for
building,
shelters
or
even
rehabbing
all
the
building.
So
you
can
you
can
you
can
you
can
have
a
modern
place?
You
can
take
care
of
these
poor
people.
Not
they
don't
have
this
three
foot
walk
to
go
in
the
morning
and
they
have
nowhere
to
go.
Can
William?
Can
you
explain
what
is
a
modern
shelter
built
or
or
rehab
what?
What
is
consist
of.
V
So
and
there's
a
study,
and
so
in
2016,
New,
York
City
implemented
their
guidelines,
design
guidelines
for
Supportive
Housing
and
they
transformed
a
neighborhood
building
a
pretty
big
building
into
you
know
a
model
design,
and
not
only
is
it
housing
the
tenants
and
the
residents,
but
it
also
made
sure
that
they
had
enough
separation
for
the
different
populations.
V
I
have,
and
they
also
had
so
I'll
just
go
through
the
list:
real
quick
security
screening
areas,
medical
triage,
centers,
shelter,
Support,
Services,
resident
Workshop
areas,
resident
Educational,
Services,
resident
Employment,
Services,
initial
assessment,
dormitories
secluded,
diversion
dormitories
general
population,
dormitories,
separate
family,
dormitories,
resident
and
employee
lounges
dining
areas,
general
staff
offices,
building
infrastructure,
maintenance
rooms,
nurse
areas.
So
you
know:
do
we
have
these
areas
to
support
the
residents.
V
N
N
Right,
thank
you,
it
is,
it
is
just
I
think
we
should
I
have
no
problem
with
getting
in
the
commodity
and
I'm
the
one
who's
fighting
this
a
shelter.
But
let's
do
it
right.
Let's,
let's
talk
to
them.
Let's
maybe
I,
don't
know
you
or
the
council
go
back
to
the
drawing
table,
talk
to
the
neighbor
talk
to
us,
and
so
we
can
make
a
shelter
that
is
we
be
proud
of.
N
If
you
come
in,
every
Sun
we
build
the
best
shelter
in
the
country,
come
see
what
we
did
and
we
do
it
like
this,
but
as
of
now
this
is
this
consists
of
a
jail
cells,
no
more
than
this
and
the
worst
thing
in
jails.
They
give
treatment
to
people
this
one
jail
cell
without
any
treatment
for
the
people.
Thank
you
thank.
A
F
A
A
Thank
you
so
and
I'm
sorry
I'm
drawing
a
blank
on
your
name,
McKenna
Mr
McKenna
as
the
applicant,
since
this
is
a
continuation.
We
always
give
the
applicant
the
last
word
sure
in
order
to
make
a
final
summation
statement
anything
you
would
like
to
wrap
up.
Q
So
the
only
things
I'm
going
to
add
because
you've
heard
plenty
about
this
particular
application,
I'm
sure
more
than
you
wanted
to.
But
you
know
we
got
to
take
some
things
in
perspective.
We
do
have
a
policy,
a
nine
loan
policy
to
call
in
any
urgent
situation
that
threatens
harm.
Okay.
We
also
are
a
DCFS
mandated
reporting
agency.
If
there
is
a
possible
claim
of
child
abuse,
we
are
mandated
by
law
to
report
it.
So
we
do
report
it
dead
wrong.
On
people
saying
we
don't
do
background
checks,
we
screen.
Q
We
we
screen
for
multiple
violent
felonies.
We
screen
class
ex
felonies.
We
screen
for
sex
offenders.
I
think
you
already
heard
we
we
do
not
permit
illicit
drugs
of
any
kind
dealing
of
any
kind.
We
have
a
progressive
discipline
system
and
you're
out
for
circumstances
like
that
comments
about
our
current
relationship
with
the
police
are
wrong.
We
have
a
very
robust
relationship
right
now
getting
better
by
the
day
and
we
intend
to
continue
with
that
and
to
work
in
good
faith
with
the
city
on
the
operating
agreement.
Q
We
already
have
assigned
Good
Neighbor
agreement
and
we're
going
to
cooperate
and
participate
in
the
licensing
program
we're
committed
to
it,
because
we
believe
we
have
an
absolute
quality
organization
comments
by
the
gentleman
who
was
just
up
here,
who
is
the
architect
first
off
he's
never
been
inside
the
facility.
Second
of
all,
you
know
he's
dead
wrong
on
what
we
don't
have
we.
Actually
we
have
separate
screening
space.
Q
We
have
separate
medical
space,
we
have
shelter,
Support
Services
space,
we
have
staff
offices
and
we
have
separate
rooms
for
families
and
Resident
Workshop
space
and
he's
basing
his
argument
on
a
2016
Supportive
Housing
standards,
Supportive
Housing
as
Apartments.
Those
are
apartments
with
support
for
the
individuals
who
reside
in
the
apartments.
Those
are
not
applicable,
standards
to
a
rooming
house,
so
I
would
just
come
all
the
way
back
and
say
per
the
standards.
We've
met
every
one
of
them.
There
is
no
negative
impact.
Q
The
prices
of
housing
in
this
area,
as
shown
by
Ms
lindberger's
study.
She
went
through
it
and
she
said
she
showed
you
we're
an
individual
apartment
within
the
close
vicinity
of
the
margarita
and
sold
immediately
before
Margarita
moved
in
and
sold
again
after
Margarita
moved
out,
there's
no
adverse
impact.
That's
the
gold
standard
test,
not
this
crazy
Target
and
control
Zone
test,
so
there's
no
negative
value
on
the
property
and,
as
Mr
Diesel
said
today
and
as
he
said
in
November,
yes,
there
are
police
reports.
Q
They
are
a
tiny
fragment
of
the
police
reports
that
are
reported
throughout
this
community
so
and
we
are
working
on
it
and
will
continue
to
work
on
it.
So
I
would
just
sum
up
by
saying
I
think
we
meet
all
the
standards
for
a
special
use,
and
we
would
thank
this
commission
for
the
patience
and
attention
to
detail
and
your
ability
to
endure
all
of
this
testimony
and
all
of
these
comments,
and
we
would
ask
you
respectfully
for
recommendation
in
favor
of
the
sup.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
with
that
we're
going
to
close
public
testimony
on
this
particular
case,
Commissioners
I'm,
not
taking
any
testimony
from
the
public.
It
was
noticed
as
such.
The
public
is
not
speaking
tonight.
They've
had
ample
opportunity.
This
was
a
continuation
for
a
specific
person
to
present
specific
evidence
to
us.
So
I
will
ask
Commissioners
their
General
thoughts.
I'll.
L
Go
first:
this
is
a
really
sad
situation:
I
I
I'm
sitting
here,
listening
to
both
sides,
and
it's
like
it's
like
a
political
football
that
goes
back
and
forth
and
the
and
the
testimony
is
virtually
the
opposite.
When
each
side
gets
up
to
speak
and
you'd,
think
I
would
think
in
a
city
like
ours
which
I
I
would
hope
that
we
communicate
better
than
other
cities
that
there
would
be
there'd
be.
L
There
would
be
more
discussion
more
more
negotiation
on
on
all
these
points,
but
instead
what
we
have
is,
is
you
know,
one
side
talking
black
and
the
other
side
talking
white
and
it's
I.
It's
just
sad.
L
L
I
I
had
a
flashback
too
you
weren't
here,
but
we
had
a
meeting
last
week
and
the
situation
was
totally
different,
but
what
the
consensus
was
is
that
we
had
so
many
qualifications
to
our
our
recommendation
that
it
it
was
almost
meaningless
and
I
feel
somewhat
the
same
about
this
because,
for
example,
this
neighborhood
agreement
that
just
came
out
and
and
connections
said
well,
you
know
we're
going
to
do
some
of
it
and
we're
not
going
to
do
other
things
and
well
you
know
it's
it's
so
undefined
and
I
would
to
to
Really
vote
one
way
or
the
other
for
all
of
us.
L
I
think
we.
We
would
appreciate
a
much
more
defined
proposal
right
now.
It's
it's
just
not
as
far
as
some
of
the
specific
issues
and
the
negative
effect
on
the
neighborhood,
you
know
the
the
studies.
L
L
Add
connections
would
I
want
to
buy
a
house
next
door
and
I.
Think
all
of
us
should
ask
us
ask
ourselves
that
question
it's
because
it's
it's
not
a
question
of
you
know:
do
you
think
there
should
be
homeless
facilities
yeah?
There
should
be
absolutely
but
I
I,
don't
know
that
this
one
is
is
operating
to
the
the
best
standard
that
it
can
operate
on
and
what
I
hear
is
is
the
is
the
what
what's
going
on
in
the
community.
L
I
frankly,
would
not
want
to
buy
a
house
on
that
block
and
I.
Think
that
tells
me
that
that
that
standard
is
not
met
as
far
as
the
number
of
residents
and
and
the
facilities
and
the
more
more
Treatment
Services
I
I
think
that's.
That's
all
good
and
I
think
that
that
should
be
pursued.
That's
the
kind
of
homeless
facility,
I
think
that
we
we
want
in
Evanston,
no
matter
where
it's
located.
L
L
So
I
don't
know:
I
I
I've
been
taking
notes
and
I.
Don't
know
if
I've
covered
everything,
but
that's
enough.
K
First
of
all,
I
appreciate
all
the
work
and
research
that
went
into
the
original
proposal
as
well
as
the
public
responses.
This
I
know
has
not
been
easy
for
anyone
on
either
side
of
this
I'm
not
going
to
comment
on
what
the
program
should
be,
or
whether
connections
is
the
right
agency
or
what
the
city
should
do
at
this
point.
I
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
are
experts
on
solving
the
homeless
issues
or
looking
at
housing,
programs
and
substance
abuse
programs
I
want
to
Simply.
Look
at
it
really
the
one
condition.
K
That's
that's.
We
have
to
satisfy
in
order
to
approve
this
and
I'm
going
to
go
back.
Unfortunately,
to
this
designation
of
rooming
house,
which
I
have
had
problems
with
in
the
past
and
continue
to
do
so,
I
mean
very
simply.
We
I
still
don't
believe
that
the
connections
program
has
described,
fits
the
zoning
definition
or
the
traditional
operation
of
a
rooming
house,
unlike
in
a
traditional
rooming
house,
there's
no
direct
rental
transaction
between
residents
and
connections
and
while
a
traditional
rooming
house
might
have
some
criteria
for
residents
generally,
the
acceptance
is
fairly
open.
K
Obviously,
connections
has
to
serve
a
very
specific
demographic
and
it
has
to
evaluate
and
select
the
people.
It's
serving
and
I
totally
understand
that,
and
also
generally
rooming
houses,
don't
provide
Supportive,
Housing,
Programs
or
counseling
support
with
the
expressed
goal
of
moving
people
into
long-term
housing
and
finally,
rooming
house
landlords,
don't
usually
try
to
mediate
between
their
residents
and
the
police
or
the
community
at
Large.
K
Now
none
of
these
things
are
wrong.
I
mean
these
are
functions
that
are
important
part
of
the
connections
program
and
I'm,
not
questioning
that,
but
they
make
sense
for
a
supportive
transitional
housing
program
as
opposed
to
a
rooming
house.
So
again,
this
is
beating
a
dead
horse,
but
I
really
feel
the
rooming
house.
Designation
is
a
little
bit
off
on
this
one.
K
K
It
depends
as
as
we've
heard
about
who
you're
listening
to
on
this
same
thing,
with
property
values,
but
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
question
that
a
transitional
housing
facility
like
this
will
have
an
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
The
question
is:
how
bad
will
it
be?
How
long
will
that
last,
what
does
it
take
to
Monitor
and
evaluate
and
control
the
situation,
and
those
questions
are
still
out
there.
K
So
for
me,
the
problem
is
I'm,
not
sure
that
this
location
is
the
best
one
for
that
type
of
program.
I
know
the
city
can
work
with
connections
on
an
operating
agreement,
and
hopefully
that
would
help
but
I
question
whether
there's
a
more
suitable
property
for
doing
this
I.
Don't
think
connections
should
have
to
build
their
program
around
neighbor
requirements.
W
W
W
Okay,
also,
the
data
of
all
these
other
crimes
that
are
being
associated
with
the
margarita
Inn.
How
does
that?
Compare
to
other
areas
in
Evanston
I
live
in
the
Fifth
Ward
there's
a
lot
of
shootings
in
the
Fifth
Ward
that
are
not
associated
with
other
Wards
within
Evanston.
How
does
that
compare
to
the
margarita
in
how
many
of
the
residents
in
the
margarita
Inn
have
been
incarcerated
after
an
incident
compared
to
other
residents
in
the
same
neighborhood?
W
X
X
Of
my
colleagues,
I
was
a
little
bit
disappointed
that
this
neighborhood
agreement
was
not
actually
accepted
by
connections.
So
I
understand
that
there
is
some
kind
of
miscommunication,
maybe
or
I
was
hoping
that
this
neighborhood
argument
will
be
a
fact
today
and
I
see
that
in
what
was
sent
to
us,
there
are
things
that
could
be
applied
to
our
recommendations
and
to
our
conditions,
but
otherwise
the
most
important
thing
that
I
continue
to
support
is
the
fact
that
I
believe
was
not
disputed.
X
A
Y
A
M
I
am
as
commissioner
halleck
and
struggling
in
that
there's
a
lot
of
he
said
she
said
here:
competing
experts,
competing
property
assessments,
value
issues
very
difficult
reading
through
the
materials
from
the
various
experts
to
really
come
to
a
to
conclusion.
So
for
me,
in
some
ways
it
comes
down
to,
as
commissioner
Hallock
indicated,
Common
Sense
sort
of
you
know
what,
when
you
see
it
and
so
I
think
the
for
me,
it's
the
wrong
location.
M
As
commissioner
Westberg
indicated,
I
have
issues
with
the
roomy
house
definition,
and
this
doesn't,
in
my
view,
fit
within
that
and
I
realize.
This
is
an
issue
we've
gone
over
ad
nauseum,
but
but
I
really
have
concerns
with
the
negative
cumulative
fact
issue
in
the
property
property
value,
peace.
M
You
look
at
the
crime
statistics,
I.
Think
Council
for
the
applicant
mentioned
it's
the
crime,
statistics
from
the
margariton
or
a
tiny
fraction
of
the
overall
Evanston
crime,
and
that's
probably
true,
but
the
huge
percentage
of
the
crime
on
that
block.
20
20
21.
It
was
more
than
50
percent
and
in
the
other
two
years
it's
you
know
over
30
percent.
M
A
My
general
thoughts
on
this
I
want
to
kind
of
refocus
us
on
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that's
operating,
that
we've
heard
about
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement
kind
of
Falls.
Outside
of
what
we
are
able
to
put
into
place.
A
Z
A
Sorry,
yes,
yes,
thank
you,
I
mean
my
general
feelings
are
we've
talked
about
the
rooming
house
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
That
is
a
done
decision.
This
body
has
made
a
determination
that
the
rooming
house
is
the
closest
definition
to
what
this
operation
is.
That's
that's
been
settled
and
looking
through
some
of
the
other
things
in
terms
of
property
values,
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we're
hearing
through
property
values
relate
to
the
operations.
A
I
would
hope
that
City
Council
in
their
wisdom,
since
they
are
able
to
look
at
this
more
holistically
than
we
we
are
able
to
would
hear.
The
comments
would
address
those
in
an
operating
agreement
as
best
they
can.
We've
heard
testimony
from
both
sides
and
I
and
I
do
believe
them
honestly
that
they
aren't
opposed
to
housing.
The
homeless
I
know
Mr
haleem's
reputation
in
the
city,
I
know
that
he
is
a
leader
in
the
city
that
he
does
a
lot
for
the
community.
I.
Take
him
at
his
word
for
that.
A
I
also
know.
Connections
for
the
homeless
is
a
responsible
member
of
our
community
that
they
have
a
reputation
here
and
I
bet
you
I
can
find
somebody
who
will
disagree
with
me
on
either
one
of
those
but
again
I
have
to
believe
that
everybody
is
working
for
what
is
in
the
best
interest
of
Evanston.
Here.
A
My
general
feeling
is
that
the
special
use
does
meet
the
standards
that
need
to
be
done,
but
I
really.
We
think
city
council
needs
to
lead
heavily
into
that
operating
agreement
and
that's
something
that
falls
outside
our
purview.
So
I
can't
demand
things
to
be
put
in
the
operating
agreement.
I
can
request.
We've
done
the
the
the
various
conditions
that
we've
placed
on
it.
There's
testimony
here.
I
would
hope.
A
City
council
would
listen
to
the
testimony
that's
been
recorded
this
evening
and
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
to
make
an
operating
agreement
that
works.
We've
also
heard
from
Corporation
Council
that
if
an
operating
agreement
runs
a
foul
of
of
the
terms
that
the
city
does
have
the
authority
to
revoke
licenses
and
special
uses,
I
know
that's
not
an
easy
or
thing
easy
thing
to
do,
nor
the
thing
the
city
likes
to
do,
but
it
is
a
recourse
for
the
city
to
prevent
things
from
from
spiraling
out
of
control.
A
How
would
staff
like
us
to
handle
our
vote?
Should
I
go
through
the
standards
again?
We
basically,
commissioner
helick,
is
the
only
one
who
has
not
voiced
his
opinion
on
the
standards.
Previously,
you
did,
commissioner.
He
voted
against
it.
The
last
time
yeah
yeah,
you
you
go
to
on
conditions
three
and
four.
As
the
commissioner
Westerberg
commissioner
aravalo
Marin
Chavin
myself
voted
in
favor
of
a
commissioner.
Hugo
was
the
one
who
did
not
vote
during
the
last
one.
L
Can
I
say
something
about
this?
Obviously
the
operating
agreement
is
critical
and
the
operating
agreement
frankly
may
may
change
the
our
feeling.
My
feeling
on
on
the
the
issue
of
the
effect
on
the
value
of
the
properties
and
I
said
this
last
time.
L
It
is
all
about
the
operations
and
I
was
excuse
me
not
objecting
to
to
homeless,
being
people
being
sheltered
in
this
facility
per
se,
but
I
was
objecting
to
what
was
going
on
and
the
policies
and
the
operations
excuse
me
as
I
saw
them
so
without
an
operating
agreement.
How
can
we
know
whether
to
me
it's?
There
is
no
operating
agreement
until
there
is
one,
and
so
Bible
would
be
on
the
standards
would
be
well
there's
no
operating
agreement,
so
I.
A
Don't
I
don't
know
that
city
council
would
vote
on
an
operating
agreement
and
then
send
it
back
to
us
that
that
would
be
out
of
character
for
them
to
do
they're.
The
final
decision
makers
in
this
matter.
So
that's
why
it
gets
difficult
for
us
and
I
have
to
place
faith
in
our
elected
officials.
They
have
to
answer
to
the
public
I.
L
Know,
I
I
think
we
have
to
well
I
think
we
need
to
React
to
what
we
see
now
and
not.
Maybe
something
else
is
going
to
happen
later.
A
Yeah
fully
understand
and
I
would
just
again
reiterate
that
I
would
expect
the
operating
agreement
to
move
with
this.
All
roughly
at
the
same
time,
and
city
council,
like
I
said,
can
take
into
account
various
things
that
we
we
can't
counselor.
How
would
you
like
me
to
handle
standards.
C
A
So
as
I
as
I
mentioned
before
I'll
just
kind
of
run
down
the
Deus
here,
commissioner
halek,
you
were
a
no
vote
before.
Is
that
still
your
vote?
Yes?
Commission,
commissioner
Westerberg,
you
worry
no
vote
last
time.
Is
that
still
your
stand?
Is
that
still
your
vote?
Commissioner?
Aravalo,
you
were
a
yes
vote
last
time.
Is
that
still
your
vote?
Yes?
Commissioner?
Marinchev,
you
were
a
yes
vote
last
time.
Is
that
still
your
vote.
X
A
And
I
also
was
a
yes
vote
and
also
stand
by
my
yes
vote.
Commissioner
Hugo
I
will
run
through
standards
and
ask
you
to
respond
to
those
standards
based
on
what
we
discussed
last
time,
so
I'm
not
doing
these
fresh
so
that
we're
all
kind
of
voting
on
the
same
the
same
thing,
so
the
first
one
being
is
the
listed
use,
is
the
list
that
special
use,
one
of
in
the
zoning
district,
one
of
I'm.
A
Sorry,
let
me
start
over
is
one
of
the
listed
special
uses
in
the
zoning
District
in
which
the
property
lies,
and
it
was
the
finding
that
that
yes,
it
was
is
that
your
finding
I
agree
number
two:
it
complies
with
the
purposes
of
the
policies
of
the
comprehensive
General
plan
and
zoning
ordinance.
A
We
had
found
that
the
building
fits
the
proposed
activity
of
being
a
rooming
house,
and
the
conditions
would
address
the
management
issues
so
as
to
set
the
standard
and
make
it
met
and
that
this
is
a
repurposing
of
an
existing
building,
which
the
comprehensive
General
plan
does
encourage.
How
do
you
find
on
that.
M
A
Number
three
does
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
in
combination
with
existing
special
uses
or
as
a
category
of
land
use.
The
finding
last
time
was
the
conditions
that
are
being
placed
on
the
management
of
the
facility
will
lessen
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood
and
in
and
the
creation
of
a
good
neighbor
declaration
or
some
sort
of
policy.
A
M
A
Thank
you
number
four
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood.
Various
testimony
was
heard,
but
a
a
place
where
people
can
be
housed
and
given
services
that
they
need
may
do
more
for
property
values
than
having
people
living
homeless
on
the
streets.
A
Commissioner,
Westerberg
commented
that
it
is
not
in
the
nature
of
the
roaming
house
that
diminishes
the
property
value,
but
the
operation
that
can
cause
the
problems.
How
do
you
find
on
that?
One?
No
number
five.
It
is
adequately
served
by
public
public
facilities
and
services.
The
infrastructure
provided
I'm.
Sorry,
the
infrastructure
provided
is
adequately
served
and
further
testimony
about
police
and
fire
resources
will
not
provide
significant
additional
insight,
and
so
the
standard
is
met.
How
do
you
find
on
that?
One?
Yes,
number.
Six
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
A
This
is
not
a
site
that
would
create
traffic,
as
residents
are
not
typically
car
owners,
and
so
the
standard
is
met.
Yes
number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historical
and
Architectural
resources.
It
is
recommended
to
have
historic
preservation
staff,
conducting
non-binding
review
of
the
property
before
any
permits
are
issued
for
exterior
work
on
the
building.
A
If
the
review
doesn't
involve
taking
it
to
the
land,
use
commission
and
can
be
done
by
staff,
the
standard
is
met,
yes,
number
eight,
it
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
resources,
the
building
is
not
being
added
to
and
the
Landscaping
will
be
maintained.
So
this
condition
is
met
yes
and
number
nine.
It
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations.
A
It
assumes
that
connections
will
operate
any
under
any
connections
will
operate
under
any
licensing
or
operating
agreements
and
will
honor
a
good
neighbor
agreement.
Yes,
so
with
that,
since
you
have
found,
some
standards
are
not
met.
How
do
you
vote
in
this
in
this
issue?
I.
M
A
Your
vote.
No
so
I
have
a
three
to
three
vote,
which
means
that
we'll
move
forward
to
city
council
without
any
recommendation
from
this
body,
so
it
will
not
have
a
negative
well
I,
have
a
positive
and
it'll
be
purely
up
to
city
council
to
decide
how
they
wish
to
handle
it.
A
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
your
time.
Thank
you
for
seeing
us
through
the
many
many
meetings
we've
had
on
this.
We
unfortunately
do
still
have
some
more
business
to
transact
so
I'm
going
to
take
about
five
minutes
and
just
ask
everyone
to.
Please
leave
the
room.
A
You
can
have
discussions
out
in
the
hallway,
but
we
still
have
to
go
through
some
meetings.
Some
minutes
I'm,
sorry,
some.
We
need
to
do
the
minutes
and
we
need
to
do
rules
for
the
commission
having
that
on
okay,
it
appears
that
we
are
back
on
the
record.
A
So
the
next
item
that
we
have
on
the
agenda
for
this
evening,
I
skipped
over
I'm.
Sorry,
the
approval
of
meeting
minutes
for
April
12
2023.
A
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
for
April
12,
2023.
I.
A
So
moved
by
Westerberg
is
there
a
second
second
multiple
seconds
I'll
give
it
to
aravalo
any
further
discussion,
any
edits
hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed
right
and
I.
Believe
commissioner
Hugo
was
as
well
so
with
that
we
will
move
on
to
our
new
business,
which
is
the
adoption
of
amendments
to
the
land,
use
commission
rules
and
procedures.
A
This
is
an
extensive
document
that
was
provided
to
everyone.
I
hope
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
look
through
it
and
at
this
point,
I'll
ask
if
there
are
any
questions
on
it
and
commissioner
westerberg's
hands
went
up
first.
K
K
They
matters
Limited
in
any
way
it
just.
It
just
seems
a
little
open-ended,
so
I
was
just
curious,
so
anything
the
city
council
would
refer
to
us
would
have
to
correct.
Yes,.
A
K
A
Is
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
we're
putting
this
all
in
here
so
that
basically
we
are
giving
a
if
I
remember
correctly
and
I.
A
Don't
have
it
directly
in
front
of
me
right
now,
because
I
didn't
download
that
one
document
out
of
the
500
documents-
oh
there,
it
is
out
of
the
500
documents
I,
have
the
reason
that
we
had
approached
it
in
this
way
was
to
give
people
a
base
level
of
time
that
they
would
know
that
they
would
be
able
to
be
heard,
but
then
to
Grant
permission
for
extensions
beyond
that
time,
but
putting
it
in
writing,
therefore,
making
sure
that
everybody
understands
before
it
comes
to
us,
so
we
aren't
arbitrarily
deciding
times
once
we're
here
in
terms
of
of
public
commentary
public
comments.
A
Obviously
that
is
something
that
we
can't
really
know.
If
I
have
three
people
show
up
I'm
not
going
to
be
real
restrictive
in
time.
If
I
have
103
people
show
up,
we
will
be
more
restrictive
in
time
always
giving
priority
to
the
people
who
live
within
the
defined
notification
area,
giving
them
priority
and
time
and
lesser
time
to
people
who
live
outside.
Of
that
there's
there's
some
ambiguity
and
interpretation
to
the
rules.
A
I've
heard
people
say
that
we
don't
really
have
to
take
testimony
from
people
outside
of
the
defined
area
by
our
rules,
but
I
feel
we
should
hear
everybody
if
they've
come
just
granting
them
a
a
an
opportunity
to
say
something
minor,
not
monopolize
the
conversation.
It.
L
Shouldn't
the
the
time
allotment,
though,
be
the
same
for
both
sides
like
tonight,
do
20
minutes
and
10
minutes.
A
But
normally
we
don't
have
two
parties
in
this
manner.
Normally
we
have
an
applicant
and
we
have
the
public.
Oh
that's
true
and
that's
true.
There
are
some
members
of
the
public
who
feel
that
I
should
grant
them
the
exact
same
amount
of
time.
Obviously
that
is
impossible
to
do
because
again,
if
you
have
30
people,
I
can't
give
20
minutes
to
30
individuals.
A
You
know
that
we
had
the
case
recently
where
we
got
a
70
page
legal
document,
literally
at
11
o'clock,
the
day
of
a
hearing
and
there's
no
way
for
us
to
really
digest
that
and
give
it
the
the
time
that
is
needed.
So
that's
why
we've
put
some
of
those
those
conditions
in
as
well
I'm,
just
kind
of
trying
to
give
everybody
an
equal
opportunity
to
to
engage,
but
also
make
sure
that
we
aren't
being
Deluge
with
a
bunch
of
stuff
at
the
last
minute,
because
we
don't
have
time
to
read.
C
X
X
People
from
the
public-
let's
do
that
that
they
just
say
I'm
saying
the
same:
I
mean
you
do
not
take
the
the
words
you
simply
shorten
their
time
and
the
other
thing
I
personally
I
have
plenty
of
friends
that
are
lawyers
and
councils,
but
I,
don't
think
that
they
deserve
more
time.
Last
time
we
granted
a
time
for
a
lawyer
that
was
like
the
whole
time
for
the
public,
I
I.
Think.
A
That
and
that's
something
we
have
to
work
with
with
law
and
staff
on
doing
because
one
of
my
concerns
is
that
we
are
becoming
a
very
legal
commission
with
attorneys
appearing
before
us.
None
of
us
are
attorneys.
I,
don't
think.
Are
you
an
attorney?
John
used
to
be.
A
The
laws
changed
since
then,
and
so
for
for
asking
us
to
make
legal
determinations
and
judge
on
issues
of
due
diligence
and
presentation
of
evidence,
and
things
like
this
just
is
not
fair.
A
None
of
us
are
equipped
to
do
that.
We
are
supposed
to
be
quasi-judicial
and
I
have
the
fear
that
we're
becoming
more
judicial.
A
And
that's
something
like
I
said
that
we
have
to
I,
have
to
coordinate
with
with
staff
and
law
as
to
exactly
how
we
handle
that,
because,
obviously
any
of
those
people
can
sue
the
city
if
they
choose
to
that's
everybody's
prerogative.
And
so
how
do
we
thread
that
needle
of
making
sure
someone
feels
that
they've
been
heard,
but
not
push
them
to
the
point
where
they
feel
that
they
actually
have
to
take
that
extra
step?
I.
L
Think
the
issue
is
that
when
someone
gives
testimony
they're
giving
the
testimony
themselves
and
they're
not
calling
on
other
people
to
corroborate
or
dispute
or
whatever
you
know,
that's
just
an
individual
testimony.
I.
Y
May
speak
to
them.
The
cross-examination
portion
of
a
public
hearing
is
uncommon,
but
it
is
something
that
we
do
have
to
allow
for
it's
in
most
communities
rules
if
it's
a
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
or
Planning
Commission
DBA,
whatever
the
body's
called
it's
good,
that
we
have
it
in
our
rules,
so
that
there's
some
sort
of
framework
for
it.
But
that
was
the
first
time
in
my
almost
10
years
of
experience
where
I've
seen
it
done
live.
L
Y
A
It's
very
rare,
but
it
does
happen
on
occasion
and
and
we
just
kind
of
have
to
figure
out
how
we
handle
that
when
it
does
happen.
Like
I
said
this,
that
kind
of
caught
us
off
guard
caught
me
off
guard
because
I
hadn't
seen
that
happen
in
a
while
and.
C
I
believe
it's
limited
to
certain
objectors
right,
so
cross-examination
is
not
like
any
member
of
the
public
who
lives
in
the
City
of
Evanston.
It's
an
objector
within
so
many
feet
based
upon
the
application
right.
So
in
this
particular
situation,
cross-examination
should
have
happened.
November
30th
2022,
but
did
not.
C
A
N
L
A
Around
so
here's
here's
where
we're
going
on
that
one,
we
have
an
entire
list
of
Omnibus
referral
that
I
made
a
couple
weeks
ago.
I,
don't
remember
when
that's
going
to
be
coming
to
us.
One
of
those
changes
is
a
request
in
the
city
code,
we're
asking
city
council
to
change
city
code
so
that
it
is
consistent
throughout,
because
my
understanding,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
is
code
is
not
consistent
throughout.
A
As
opposed
to
shall
Grant
continuances
and
that
we
would
put
con,
we
would
put
conditions
on
it
about
you
know
it
would
have
to
be
you're
telling
us
exactly
why
you
are
seeking
a
continuance,
and
that
is
the
matter
that
is
being
heard
at
the
continuance.
A
M
Okay,
so
question
about
the
public
comment
time
limits
is
I.
Guess
this
amended
section:
five
is
the
operative
provision
right.
It
provides
for
10
minutes
for
Community
groups,
there's
no
time
limit
for
just
general
public
comment
and
I'm
just
I
know
as
the
chair,
you
would,
if
you
got
100
people
you're
going
to
give
people
30
seconds.
If
you've
got
two
you'll
you'll
be
more
generous,
but
should
we
would
it
not
be
helpful
to
have
the
default
be
in
the
rules?
M
Two
minutes,
three
minutes:
five
minutes
whatever
it
is,
with
the
chair
being
able
to
modify
that
based
on
the
tenor
of
the
meeting
and
the
number
of
witnesses
Etc,
because
we've
had
some
of
these
people
get
up
there
and
you
say
two
men
and
they're
gonna.
You
know
they're
rambling
for
five
ten
fifteen
and
just
wondering
is
a
matter
of
codification.
Whether
we
should
you
know,
you've
got
at.
L
But
what
Jen's
suggesting,
though,
is
that
I
think
people
need
to
know
beforehand
before
they
get
there
and
they've
prepared
this
10-minute
speech
that
they
only
really
have
two
minutes
as
a
standard
I.
Don't.
M
Know
the
default
two
or
three,
but
you
with
the
discretion,
increase
that
or
decrease
it
based
on
the
chairs
discretion
and
how
the
meeting's
unfolding
the
number
of
witnesses
Etc,
because
right
now,
it's
open-ended
and
you
really
just
unclear
to
the
people
coming.
How
much
time
will
I
have
unless
that's
in
the
notice
I
don't
know.
K
F
K
K
Agree
in
in
a
similar
vein,
you
know
under
Section
six,
where
we're
talking
about
submittal
of
evidence.
I
know
how
hard
this
must
be
for
the
staff
to
get
all
of
that
stuff
out.
First
of
all,
the
Friday
before
then,
this
stuff
keeps
dribbling
in.
We
had
one
incident
and
I
believe
it
was
the
first
meeting
with
the
affordable
housing
development
on
Church
Street,
where
we
received
I
think
it
was
a
70
page
right
and.
K
Summary
after
12
o'clock
noon,
I
think
it
was
like
at
one
o'clock.
It
came
through
and
maybe
a
little
bit
before
the
same
day
now
the
lawyer,
who
prepared
that
then
seemed
irritated
that
not
everyone
had
read
it
and
wanted
to
cross-examine
almost
every
commissioner
to
say:
did
you
read
it
you
know?
Did
you
did
you
follow
up
I
understand
they
may
be
limited
by
time,
but
that
that's,
unreasonable
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
able
to
set
some
standards
as
to
what
the
Commissioners
can
be
expected
to
digest
and.
A
A
Anything
received
outside
of
the
five
business
days
will
not
be
in
the
packet.
It
will
not
appear
on.
The
website.
Will.
L
Z
K
C
Y
Is
on
page
I'm,
just
gonna
do
that
Katie!
Thank
you.
I've
searched
business
days
in
the
document,
so
it's
middle
of
evidence
and
petitions.
Y
Any
materials
presented
in
the
commission's
packet
post
on
the
city
website
shall
be
transmitted
digitally
to
the
secretary
no
less
than
five
business
days
before
the
land
use
commission
meeting
where
such
material
is
discussed
or
considered,
and
then
materials
submitted
less
than
five
business
days
before
the
land
use
Commission
meeting
where
such
materials
discuss
or
concerned
considered
shall
be
accepted,
but
may
not
be
posted
as
a
City
website
in
advance
of
the
meeting's
start
time.
Y
So
we
have
been
the
past
two
meetings:
kind
of
operating
to
get
things
up
before
the
meeting
and
I
sent
those
to
you
right
after
I
posted
them
on
the
website
before
noon.
On
the
day
of
the
meeting,
I
think
it's
our
intent
to
try
to
continue
to
do
like
a
Monday
and
then
a
Wednesday
follow-up
as
it
comes,
but
to
your
point,
I
think
that
making
sure
that
once
these
rules
are
adopted,
we
can
then
update
the
website
appropriately.
Y
Z
Share
just
to
follow
on
on
the
following
page
that
Katie
referenced.
There
is
some
additional
kind
of
conversation
about
this,
so
this
is
page
13
of
the
track
change
version
where
it
does
say
that
any
comments
received
after
3
pm
the
day
before
the
meeting
may
be
distributed
to
the
commission
at
the
meeting.
So.
K
And
and
I
understand,
and
and
again
it's
just
that
I
think
people
should
be
aware
that
a
late
submittal
does
not
guarantee
it.
It
will
be
read.
That's
all.
F
A
Other
issues,
comments,
questions
like
I,
said:
I
think
we
kind
of
highlighted
at
the
very
beginning,
the
basics
and
the
bullet
points
in
the
staff
memo.
Removing
the
whole
comment
about
the
transitional
membership.
Since
we
are
no
longer
a
transitional
board,
we
are
an
entirely
comprised
board.
A
There
was
some
issues
with
like
having
to
stop
Hearing
in
order
to
take
a
vote
to
continue
past
11
o'clock.
As
the
chair
I
will
make
a
ruling.
Anybody
can
question
my
ruling
at
any
point,
I'm
not
going
to
demand
that
we
do
things
if
people
have
a
question,
feel
free
to
chime
in
and
say,
I
think
we
should
continue
with
this
or
I
really
think
that
this
is
going
to
take
a
lot
longer.
A
We
already
talked
about
the
the
written
comment,
distribution
and
turn
turn
in
times.
One
of
the
things
we
also
clarified
is
the
establishment
of
requirement
for
speakers.
On
behalf
of
a
group.
We
have
had
people
who
have
said
hi
I'm,
representing
the
Neighbors
in
my
block,
but
I,
don't
know
if
you're
there
representing
two
people
or
80
people
or
anything
like
that,
so
we've
kind
of
put
some
some
restriction
or
not
restrictions,
but
some
guidelines
and
guard
rails
on
that.
A
C
So
public
comment
is
a:
is
a
derivative
of
the
open
meetings
act
right
as
a
public
body.
We
have
to
allow
for
people
to
be
able
to
address
you
as
a
public
body
under
state
law.
So
that's
public
comments.
Public
testimony
is
specifically
dealing
with
the
application
or
the
issue.
That's
before
the
body
that's
going
to
be
considered,
as
quote
unquote
evidence
in
your
deliberations
to
whether
something
meets
the
standards
or
not.
L
Z
I'm
not
sure
if
I
could
also
testimony
is
limited
to
those
that
are
within
the
male
noticing
radius.
So
that
is
another
distinction
between
comment
and
testimony.
Really,
yes,.
A
Defining
a
little
more
the
beginning
and
ending
of
public
hearing
I
basically
will
have
an
extra
little
line
of
script
that
I
have
to
read
before
and
after
to
signify
more
clearly.
This
is
now
when
we
begin
taking
public
testimony.
This
is
when
public
testimony
has
ended.
A
A
We
did
leave
a
condition
in
there
if
I,
if
I
remember
correctly,
so
that
we
can
ask
clarifying
questions
of
staff
if
we
need
to,
but
it's
not
eliciting
new
testimony.
It
is
merely
a
question
of
of
clarification.
A
If
we
do
want
to
take
additional
testimony,
then
we
have
to
reopen
the
record
on
a
vote
that
will
then
reopen
the
testimony.
Then
we'll
do
we
have
to
do
that
on
a
vote?
How
do
we
decide
on
that?
A
A
A
M
A
So
there's
an
amendment
moved
by
Hugo
second
and
by
halek
all
those
in
favor
of
the
amendment.
F
A
Now,
back
to
the
main
motion
for
approval
of
the
minutes,
with
that
Amendment
I'm,
sorry
of
the
rules
with
that
Amendment
it's
been
moved
and
seconded.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye.