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A
A
2023
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission,
the
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives.
Depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
city
council.
B
A
So,
with
seven
members
present,
we
do
have
a
quorum
also
present
tonight
from
City
staff,
our
flanner
Katie
ashbaugh,
neighborhood
and
land
use,
planner,
Megan,
Jones
assistant,
City,
I'm.
Sorry,
you've
got
a
promotion
you're,
a
deputy
City
attorney
now
Deputy
City
attorney
Alex
ruge
zoning
admin,
planning
manager,
Liz
Williams
and
Community
Development,
director
Sarah
flax.
A
This
is
a
formal
hearing.
There
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time
so
that
all
testimony
can
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
on
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
be
able
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellate
after
that.
Person's
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
have
a
chance
to
do
so.
A
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
the
defined
notification
requirements
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
questioned,
Witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing
when
all
supporting
and
opposing
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard,
the
applicant
or
repellent
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
Then
the
commission
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations
to
consider
the
standards.
A
The
commission
will
make
formal
findings
a
fact,
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented
Guided
by
the
standards,
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
the
community
and
the
recommendations
of
staff.
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
did
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
corresponding
staff
memorandum.
A
When
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
on
the
public
comment
sheet,
our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you
are
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
may
be
properly
recorded.
All
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
that
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
A
We
just
have
one
item
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
which
is
a
major
variations
for
2000
Simpson
Street,
as
the
applicant
present
I,
see
them
in
the
room
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
anybody
who
feels
they
may
be
speaking
to
us
on
this
matter
to
be
sworn.
If
you'd
raise
your
right
hand,
please
do
you
swear
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings?
A
Okay,
so
we'll
get
those
at
our
next
meeting.
So
then
we'll
move
right
into
the
new
business
and
I'll.
Ask
the
applicant
for
2000
Simpson
Street
to
please
come
up
to
the
lectern.
C
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
your
time.
This
evening
my
name
is
Sergio.
Hernandez
Jr
I
am
currently
currently
serve
as
the
president
of
the
District
65
School
Board,
on
behalf
of
our
of
our
just
our
school
board
and
District
leadership
team.
We
are
pleased
to
be
here
tonight
as
part
of
our
historic
process
to
return
a
public
school
to
evanston's
Fifth
Ward
community,
the
building
of
a
new
school
in
the
Fifth
Ward
to
serve
kindergarten
through
eighth
grade
students
is
part
of
the
district's
comprehensive
vision
for
the
future
of
public
schools
in
Evanston
Skokie.
C
A
Hernandez
I'm
going
to
interrupt
you
for
just
a
second,
because
I
forgot
to
have
it
read
into
the
record:
I'm
sorry
I
got
thrown
off
by
not
having
minutes
so
I'm
going
to
just
ask
you
to
pause
for
a
second
I'm
going
to
ask
who
is
going
to
Megan
is
going
to
read
it
into
the
record.
If
you
would
please
I'm
sorry.
D
And
loading
area
Dimension
at
10
by
35
that
is
located
within
the
drive
aisle
width
of
the
parking
lot
section
61644
the
land
use
commission
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case
in
accordance
with
zoning
code,
section
63810
and
ordinance
92021,
and
this
is
pin
1013
to
a
one
zero.
Two
eight.
A
C
A
problem
so
I
would
like
to
introduce
our
team
here.
This
evening
we
have
Rafael
obafemi
District
65,
Chief,
Financial,
Officer,
Serita
Smith,
director
of
student
assignments,
Melissa
messenger,
executive,
director
of
communications,
Brian
Crowley,
our
board
counsel,
Mike
morus,
with
marus
and
Company,
who
prepared
the
market
impact
analysis
and
Brian
cronewitter
and
Alex
Lopez,
who
represent
our
architectural
and
construction
management,
firm
of
cordigan
Clark.
Who
will
lead
our
presentation?
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
E
Good
evening
Commissioners,
thank
you
so
much
for
spending
your
time
and
volunteering.
Your
time
here,
mom
also
a
zoning
commissioner
in
the
town
that
I
live
in.
So
it's
refreshing
to
be
on
the
other
side
of
things
here.
E
So
I
know
exactly
where
you're,
where
you're
at
right
now
I
prepared
a
really
short
presentation.
I
want
to
give
you
guys
an
overview
of
what
I'm
sure
you
you've
review,
reviewed
in
your
board
packets
already
so
without
further
Ado.
We
are
very
excited
to
be
able
to
have
the
opportunity
to
present
the
Fifth
Ward
in
Bessie
Road
school
here
to
you
all.
E
One
of
the
things
that
that
it
has
been
extremely
important
to
us
is
obviously
the
cooperation
and
I
can't
thank
City
staff.
Enough
they've
been
leading
the
way
here
for
the
last
several
months
with
us,
as
well
as
District
staff
and
and
the
community,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
looked
at
from
the
very
beginning
is
safety
of
the
children
and
specifically
those
are
they're
going
to
be
walking
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
E
So
one
of
the
the
main
things
that
we
want
to
look
at
here
real
quickly
is
is,
as
you
can
see,
the
Fifth
Ward,
and
here
we
have
a
it's
actually
a
school
walk
plan,
and
this
is
important
to
us
for
several
reasons.
Obviously,
safety
number
one.
What
we
really
are
looking
at,
not
just
the
Foster
Park
area,
but
all
of
the
immediate
blocks
surrounding
it.
So
we
do
have
some
walking
routes.
We
do
have
some
crossing
guards
planned
in
place
and
definitely
traffic
signals,
whether
they're,
active
and
passive.
E
As
you
know,
historically,
the
The
Fifth
Ward
heart
has
been
Foster
Park
and
we've
taken
really
an
overall
approach
that
is
community
centered
and
and
definitely
having
the
the
students,
be
the
center
of
the
entire
operation
and
design
of
the
of
the
space.
Very
cognizant
of
District,
65
property,
City
of
Evanston
property
and
including
family
focuses
property.
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
looked
at
extensively
is
how
do
we
fit
in
a
21st
century?
Educational
building
that
will
meet
essentially
The
Fifth
Ward
community's
needs
for
a
brand
new
school.
E
E
One
of
the
things
we
looked
at
is
in
central
to
everything
that
you
see
on
this
screen.
Here
is
the
Green
Space
everything
revolved
around
the
green
space,
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
we
chose
the
Playfield,
where
it's
at
five
Community
engagement
meetings,
surveys
plenty
of
of
chance
meeting
with
chance
meetings
with
community
members
and
really
listening
to
what
the
community,
what
is
important
to
the
community
so
having
the
play
field
in
the
center
of
the
campus,
is
what
we're
calling
it
provides
protection
for
the
children
as
they
are
going
out
in
recess.
E
We
have
reached
an
agreement
with
Family
Focus
and
are
going
to
introduce
age-appropriate
playground
equipment.
Some
of
it
is
going
to
be
separated
by
by
age.
Obviously
we're
going
to
introduce
a
new
basketball
area
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
are
going
to
provide
an
additional
83
parking
spaces
that
are
not
available.
E
Here's
a
rendering
an
overview
rendering
over
the
corner
of
Ashland
and
Simpson.
One
of
the
things
that
is
a
was
extremely
important
to
us
is
neighborhood
contacts
through
the
process
of
the
last
six
to
eight
months
in,
in
speaking
with
community
and
District
65
staff.
We
had
arrived
at
a
program
that
was
going
to
necessitate
four
stories
at
the
beginning
of
the
process.
Through
the
process
and
listening
to
the
community,
we
were
able
to
make
the
building
a
little
bit
smaller
and
erase
a
full
story
off
the
building.
E
E
The
next
thing
that
we're
going
to
look
like
this
is
what
we're
more
most
excited
about
as
as
Architects
and
designers
is
what
this,
what
this
area
is
going
to.
Look
like
it's
going
to
be
an
improvement
as
our
our
babies
walk
into
school
being
funneled
through
this,
not
park-like
setting
but
really
truly
a
park.
One
of
the
things
that
that
you
can
see
here
clearly
to
make
things
a
little
bit
clearer,
there's
a
beautiful
canopy
of
trees
in
between
the
Fleetwood
Jordan
Center
and
the
Family
Focus
building.
E
We
have
designed
that
area
between
them
to
keep
the
existing
green
canopy.
That
is
very
beautiful
and
it's
important
to
us
and
and
having
that
safe
space
where
the
building
is
really
the
buildings
are
surrounding
the
park
to
protect
the
the
children
was
very
important
here.
You
see
conceptual
elevation
of
what
the
building
may
look
like
right
off
of
Simpson
Street.
This
is
a
taller
portion
that
I
was
mentioning
to
you
before
the
atrium
is
the
the
55
foot
height.
E
The
materials
are
mainly
brick,
mostly
brick,
two
different
colors
a
little
bit
of
metal
panel.
At
this
point
we
really
wanted
to
introduce.
This
is
a
view
on
Ashland
Street,
where
it's
a
little
bit
closer
to
some
resonances,
and
we
want
it
to
break
down
the
building
scale
and
remove
a
little
bit
more
curtain
wall
and
add
more
punched
opening.
So
it
is
a
little
bit
more
contextual
and
it
brings
down
the
scale.
As
you
can
see,
on
the
upper
story,
we
set
it
back
a
little
bit.
E
This
particular
view
is
the
view
that
you
know
gets
me
more
excited
again
is
off
to
sneaking
on
the
left,
there's
Dewey
Avenue
and
it's
if
you're
familiar
with
a
site,
that's
the
existing
cul-de-sac,
but
this
is
the
view.
That's
going
to
be
greeted
greeting,
our
our
children
as
a
move
through
through
the
site
into
their
new
school
there's.
Essentially,
two
two
entries
this
is
probably
going
to
be
on
the
south
end,
the
one
that's
going
to
be
mostly
used
by
the
children
as
they
walk
to
school.
E
Again
this.
This
is
a
little
bit
closer
to
Dewey,
Avenue
and
and
again
pushing
the
building
back
a
bit
reducing
the
amount
of
curtain
wall.
Again.
All
of
this
to
be
able
to
all
this
is
to
break
down
the
scale
of
the
building
and
be
more
and
be
respectful
of
the
surrounding
homes
across
the
street.
E
We're
really
excited
about
this
view,
because
the
school
district
and
and
quite
frankly,
us
we
see
this
as
a
true
campus.
The
school
is
going
to
be
open
during
the
day.
Obviously
from
you
know,
live
from
7
30
to
3
30
in
the
afternoon,
but
this
is
really
going
to
be
a
beacon
for
the
community.
It's
a
community
building,
it's
going
to
be
a
community
park
and
it's
important
to
note
that
this
whole
area
is
going
to
be
alive
even
more
and
more
vibrant
than
it
already
is.
Today.
E
The
plants
are
about
35
percent
cooked.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do,
but
initially
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
overview
of
what
we're
thinking
on
the
North
side.
You
can.
You
can
see
the
classroom
Wing
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
the
exact
number
of
classrooms
there.
It's
going
to
land
between
39
and
42
somewhere
there,
okay,
there's
an
Administration
area
right
near
the
front
door.
Let
me
point
to
it
actually:
Administration
area
here,
classroom,
Wing
here
and
then
really
the
large
spaces
here.
E
So
we
have
a
stage
and
a
band
room,
that's
adjacent
to
the
cafeteria
and
the
cafeterias,
obviously
adjacent
to
the
serving
line
and
the
kitchen.
That
is
the
first
floor,
the
second
floor.
The
classroom
Wing
here
pretty
much
stays
intact.
There
are
some
open,
some
more
open
areas
as
the
grades.
Basically,
the
older
kids
start
and
start
moving
up
on
the
the
young
guys.
E
The
the
little
guys
are
going
to
be
on
the
on
the
first
floor
here
we're
introducing
what
could
be
the
library
or
a
media
center
in
this
corner,
and
then
we
have
a
gymnasium
and
locker
rooms,
just
south
of
that.
These
two
three
white
spaces
essentially
indicate
that
the
it's
open
to
below,
so
that
there
is
a
Atrium
and
a
cafeteria
on
stage
are
two-story
spaces
and
so
you'll
be
able
to
look
down
into
into
those
spaces.
Creating
a
a
nice
Bridge
with
a
breakout
area.
E
That's
going
to
be
pretty
exciting
once
it
once
it
gets
fully
designed
again
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
prior
to
cementing
these
four
plans
we're
right
in
the
middle
of
meetings
with
the
staff
we're
going
to
bring
some
some
of
the
past
students
and
New
Student
upcoming
students
here,
so
they
can
give
us
their
opinion
as
to
what
the
interior
of
their
new
building
is
going
to
look
like.
So
again
we're
still
doing
a
lot
of
work
here.
E
At
this
third
floor,
you
can
start
to
see
that
the
height
on
the
south
end
is
pulled
back.
That
is
no
longer
part
of
the
equation
here
by
lowering
the
the
height
of
the
building.
We
do
have
a
classroom
Wing
there
and
a
potential
different
student
services
there.
The
two
boxes
here
are
probably
most
likely
going
to
end
up
a
couple
of
science
labs
with
a
prep
room.
There.
E
F
Just
to
back
up
a
little
bit
I
understand
from
what
we've
read
in
our
pack,
if
there's
some
residents
that
nearby
residents
that
are
objecting
to
this
this
project
on
this
site,
so
my
question
is
and
I
also
read
that
you
looked
at
other
alternative
sites
and
the
the
the
the
result.
I
guess
was
that
there
were
too
many
variances
but
I.
Think
variances
are
one
thing
and
neighborhood
objections
are
another.
And
so
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
the
how
you
arrived
at
this
property.
E
Absolutely
so
feel
free
to
jump
in
here
if,
if
you
want,
but
essentially
this
this
is,
this
is
the
largest
land
that
is
available,
that
the
school
district
already
owns.
Okay,
so
that
was
that
was
the
main
start
here,
we're
obviously
in
a
in
an
urban
environment,
and
so,
as
you
can
see,
it's
it's
it's
dense
anywhere.
You
look
around
this
area,
it's
a
beautiful
town,
and
so
that
is
the
main
reason
why
the
school
is
cited
here.
This
does
that
answer
your
question.
Yeah.
A
Commissioner,
Westerberg
I'm
struggling.
G
Tonight,
well
soon
we
forget
just
to
clarify
so
the
district
owns
most
of
that
land
does
the
city
own
the
land
with
for
Fleetwood
Jordan,
or
does
it
just
own
the
building
on
the
land
leased
from
District
65.
E
Question
so
this
this
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
see
on
the
screen
here,
but
the
District
65
property
is
is
this
kind
of
weird
l-shape,
okay,
okay
City
of
Evanston,
which
includes
the
most
the
most
of
the
land
that
the
City
of
Evanston
owns,
is
actually
the
building
Fleetwood,
Jordan,
Center
and
then
Family
Focus
owns
obviously
they're
building
their
property,
but
they
also
own
the
current
park.
That's
between
both
of
those
both
of
those
buildings
yeah
all.
G
E
Most
definitely
did
it's
probably
been
from
from
our
and
and
District
65.
It's
probably
been
six
to
eight
months
that
that
idea
initially
came
up.
There
are
several
factors
why
we
moved
away
from
it.
The
number
one
factor
is
extremely
expensive.
The
the
site
your
site
has
a
very
high
ground
water
table,
and
so,
in
order
to
build
underground
you,
we
essentially
would
have
to
design
a
bathtub
excuse
my
term
and
that's
extremely
expensive.
E
If
you
move
forward
a
few
months,
it's
recent,
as
maybe
four
or
five
weeks
ago
we
had
actually
through
by
the
request
of
City
staff.
We
explored
the
possibility
of
moving
further
and
figuring
out
how
much
how
much
it
would
actually
cost,
and
there
was
a
consultant
that
was
hired
and
I
believe
I'm
doing
this
off
of
memory.
So
excuse
me,
if
I
get
this
wrong,
but
it
was.
E
It
was
seven
to
ten
million
dollars
to
add
an
underground
parking
structure
and
that
only
it
actually
gave
less
parking
spot
spaces
that
we're
suggesting
right
now.
So
it
is
extremely
expensive.
For
those
reasons.
G
E
That's
correct
so
so
the
building
is
going
to
house
kindergarten
through
eighth
graders,
however,
is
also
going
to
house
Bessie
Rhodes,
magnet
school
and
there's
a
one
section
of
each
grade
that
is
going
to
be
moved
over
for
or
to
this
building.
G
Okay,
so
so
understanding
that
that
the
size
of
the
building
sort
of
is
where
it
is
because
you
do
have
two
schools,
I'm
sure
there's
been
some
discussion
of
whether
you
needed
both
in
this
location
or
whether
you
just
needed
the
Fifth
Ward
school.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that?
A
little
bit.
H
Rafaella
buffemi
I'm,
the
Chief
Financial
Officer
for
the
school
district
and
to
answer
your
question,
the
the
decision
was
made
to
include
best
of
Rhodes
in
the
new
Fifth
Ward
school,
because
the
majority
of
the
kids,
who
are
actually
our
best
roles
right
now,
the
reside
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
So
we
trusted
District,
actually
transport
them
from
the
Fifth
Ward
to
best
of
Rose.
So
that
was
the
reason
why
we
made
the
decision
to
include
them
as
a
school
within
the
school
in
the
new
school
that
is
planned
in
the
fifth
one.
F
E
So
so,
as
as
I
previously
mentioned,
the
the
planning
and
the
number
of
students
is
what
what's
driving
the
size
of
the
building.
Okay,
so
with
based
on
the
school's
current
redistricting,
we
fig.
We
came
to
a
between
800
and
900,
kids,
okay
and
so
not
to
get
too
much
into
the
weeds,
but
there's
essentially
a
formula
that
we
figure
so
many
square
feet
per
student
for
a
21st
century
building,
and
so
it's
the
number
of
students
that
drive
to
some
degree
the
size
of
the
building.
E
So
as
a
as
a
quick
example,
it's
not
it's
not
Apples
to
Apples,
and
it's
not
one
to
one,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
look
at
as
school
designers
is
what
is
it?
What
is
the
school
going
to
or
what?
How
will
it
look
like
in
10
years
in
15
years
and
20
years
in
the
state
of
Illinois?
E
As
you,
as
you
know,
it's
it's
cash
strength
for
education,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
look
at
as
we
design
a
building
is
the
main
spaces
and
and
and
their
ability
to
handle
a
little
bit
of
growth.
Okay,
it's
really
easy
to
add
classrooms
to
buildings.
But
what
happens?
Is
your
cafeterias,
your
gymnasiums,
your
libraries,
these
big
spaces
get
diluted
the
more
kids
you
put
in
there,
and
so
what
happens
is
instead
of
having
three
or
four
lunch
periods,
which
is
what
the
school
would
be
designed
for.
E
You
add
more
kids,
you
add
more
lunch
periods,
and
so
what
ends
up
happening
is
some
kids
could
start
eating
lunch
at.
You
know
10
30
in
the
morning
and
then
some
kids
eat
lunch
at
1
30
in
the
afternoon.
So
we
try
to
avoid
that.
For
obvious
reasons.
E
By
the
time
you
you're
you're
at
1,
30
2
o'clock
and
you
ate
at
10
30,
you
have
some
issues,
number
of
Gym
classes
in
a
gymnasium
start
growing,
and
so
it's
the
over
utilization
of
these
large
spaces
that
also
drives
how
big
a
school
is.
I.
F
E
A
that's
a
really
good
question,
I
think
at
this
point,
due
to
all
of
the
math.
All
of
the
people
that
figured
out
there
are
much
much
smarter
than
I
am
figured
out.
E
The
trendings
there's
a
10-year
five-year
in
a
of
student
growth,
and
so
there
is
a
sweet
spot
where
we
figure
again
the
school's
sized
accordingly,
I
don't
know
if,
if
it's
going
to
be
900,
kids
right
off
the
bat
it
may
be,
but
it's
going
to
accept
a
little
growth
so
having
the
five
Community
meetings,
Community
engagement
meetings,
listening
to
the
survey
that
we
put
out
with
in
in
tandem
with
the
City
of
Evanston.
E
G
Just
to
follow
up
on
the
the
setback
or
the
architectural
setback
for
Ashland
is
is
really
nicely
done
on
the
elevation
you
showed.
Could
you
do
something
similar
on
Simpson,
because
that
appears
to
be
a
kind
of
abrupt
building
wall
there
facing
the
neighbors
across
the
street.
E
So
thank
you
for
your
questions.
So
right
now
and
I,
don't
I
apologize
if
you're
not
100
familiar
with
this
site,
but
I've
been
living
there
for
the
last
18
months.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
a
fence
really
right
here:
okay,
there's
a
there's,
a
fence
and
then
there's
a
a
back
back,
stop
for
baseball
or
softball
right
about
this
corner,
okay
and
so
essentially
believe
it
or
not.
I
realize
there's
a
building
there
now
and
there's
no
building,
but
there
will
be
a
building.
There's
no
building
there.
E
Now
the
setback
here
from
here,
here's
roughly
15
18
feet
something
like
that,
so
it's
actually
set
back
from
where
we
could
locate
it
because
of
the
zoning
ordinance
which
I
know
you're
familiar
with.
We
could
build
all
the
way
to
the
property
line
which
is
which
is
somewhere
right
here.
So
during
the
design
process,
again
the
the
students
being
the
our
number
one
concern.
G
I
appreciate
that
setback,
because
that
does
not
always
occur
I'm
glad
to
see
it
I
think.
My
question,
though,
is
about
the
building
itself,
whether
you
could
set
back
say
the
third
floor
a
little
bit
and
just
give
some
relief
to
you
know
what
almost
appears
like
a
cliff
if
you're
living
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street.
E
I
think
we
can,
we
can
certainly
look
at
I
did
I
did
mention
that
we,
let
me
go
to
that.
Actually
I'll
show
you
both
sides.
You
see
how
we
we
are
able
to
set
it
back
here
a
little
bit,
and
so
we
can
certainly
try
to
do
that
here.
Based
on
the
programming
needs,
that's
something
we
can
look
at
for
sure.
F
Yeah
I
have
two
questions
regarding
Safety
and
Security.
The
two
questions
are:
how
do
can
I
understand
8th
graders,
seventh
graders
sixth
grade,
how
do
kindergartners
get
dropped
off
and
and
and
again
thinking
about
safety?
And
then
what
is
the
sequence
and
the
procedure
for
security
during
drop-off
time
and
after
that,
for
the
two
vestibules
got.
E
E
Good
thing,
there's,
actually,
let
me
see
which
which
I
guess
is
this?
Would
this
let's
go
back
here,
because
I
think
this
one
will
be
better
so
great
question,
and
this
is
something
that
we
have
studied
in
depth.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
most
students,
not
all
of
them,
are
going
to
be
walking
to
school.
I
realize
a
kindergarten.
Baby
is
not
going
to
walk
themselves
to
school,
they're,
most
likely
going
to
be
walking
with
a
their
their
adult,
caregiver
were
dropped
off,
and
so
there
are
several.
E
There
are
several
entrances
here
in
here
in
here
in
here
and
in
here
that
are
going
to
be
secured,
vestibules
again
once
you're
on
site,
because
most
kids
are
going
because
this
is
a
neighborhood
School
meant
for
mostly
Walkers
they're,
going
to
walk
in
either.
One
of
these
entries
during
the
morning
now
just
to
help
answer
that
question
with
the
school
within
the
school
there's
going
to
be
staggered
times
as
well,
so
not
everybody's
going
to
show
up
at
the
same
time
and
same
with
so
drop
off
and
pick
up.
F
Yeah
I
guess
I
have
a
little
bit
of
experience
with
young
kids
in
this
situation
and
I
I
guess
what
I'm
wondering
is.
Is
there
going
to
be
someone
stationed
at
every
entrance
and
after
that,
it's
going
to
be
locked
and
there's
a
camera
or
something
like
that
for.
E
H
H
I
can
speak
to
the
the
programmatic
requirement
of
the
building.
The
design
of
the
building
and
the
initial
decision
to
have
a
building
with
a
bigger
footprint
was
based
on
the
instruction
in
the
of
the
students
who
will
be
attending
the
building.
If
you
recall,
we
estimate
there
will
be
between
800
to
900
kids
we'll
be
attending
the
building.
There
will
be
a
combination
of
the
regular
school,
the
501
school
and
students
will
be
coming
from
Road
school
and
the
amount
of
activities
there
are.
H
Students
nowadays
need
they
need
midiarts,
for
example,
we
need
a
Spam
lab,
we
need
all
types,
so
we
need
a
good
gymnasium
and
we
also
need
what
coveted
Stardust
says.
We
need
a
more
spacious
space.
You
know
the
good
ventilation
to
make
sure
that
something
tells
me
this
is
probably
not
going
to
be
the
only
pandemic
we
have
in
the
next
few
years.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
designed
the
building
forward
facing
so
that
we
have
a
comfortable
ambient
space
for
the
kids.
H
H
Actually,
the
the
students
who
will
be
coming
from
this
Rose,
the
200
students
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
will
make
a
significant
impact
on
the
number
of
kids
who
are
there.
We
are
basing
the
design,
as
well
as
the
the
enrollment
projection
on
the
number
of
kids,
who
are
in
the
Fifth
Ward
right
now.
That
is
actually
one
of
the
areas
of
the
city
that
is
actually
growing
in
population.
H
We
engage
the
service
of
a
demographer
over
the
last
two
years,
who
actually
did
a
detailed
analysis,
a
birth
record
and
and
the
agent
of
kids
and
what
we
see
based
on
that
projection.
We
see
an
actual
growth
in
the
area
there,
so
even
without
the
the
new
school
brings
200
kids,
but
without
those
Middle
School,
it's
estimated
that
the
fifth
war
will
continue
to
grow
because
it's
one
of
the
areas
in
the
city,
that's
actually
growing,.
I
I
H
A
guy
who,
who
work
with
the
board
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
the
funding
to
be
able
to
develop
this
school
based
on
the
budget
that
we
are
to
develop
the
school
right
now
and
the
the
the
way
the
funding
restructure
and
the
timeline
that
we're
working
on.
H
F
This
question
is
for
staff
I
don't
understand
two
of
the
variances
are.
One
of
them
is
about
the
open
parking
in
the
front
yard
and
the
other
is
loading
in
the
front
yard
and
and
according
to
what
I
read
you
determined
that
there's
two
front
yards.
F
D
So
it's
it's
not
solely
based
on
the
configuration
of
a
building
that
may
be
on
the
lot.
It's
the
lot
itself
and
it's
it's
a
unique
lot
in
that
it
has
frontages
essentially
on
four
different
streets,
but
the
first
front
yard
is
Simpson
Street,
the
street
side
yard
is
Ashland
and
then
that
second
front
yard
would
be
considered
to
be
Foster.
F
I
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
I
I
think
it's
a
little
bit.
I
understand
your
logic,
but
I.
Think
it's
a
little
bit
strange
when
you
think
about
a
site
like
this
I
do
and
the
front
yard
I
would
say
would
be
where
the
front
door
is,
which
is
on
Simpson.
F
The
reason
I'm
bringing
it
up
is
because,
if
we're
considering
that
there's
four
variances
that
we're
they're
asking
for
two
of
them
are
associated
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
two
of
them
are
associated
with
this
fact
that
you've
determined
that
there's
two
front
yards.
So
if
you
kind
of
put
that
aside,
then
there's
only
really
two
variants
that
they're
asking
for
just
making
the
point.
A
I
have
just
a
couple
questions
for
you.
You
mentioned
that
there's
an
arrangement
with
Fleetwood
Jordan
for
parking.
Can
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
on
what
kind
of
an
arrangement
that
is.
E
Absolutely
so
there's
been
ongoing
talks
with
all
of
the
stakeholders
I
quite
honestly,
including
Family,
Focus
City
of
Evanston,
District,
65
and
and
the
residents
in
the
area.
E
So
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
day,
our
story
Studies
have
shown
how
many
parking
spots
are
in
the
immediate
two
block
area,
including
on
Surface
within
the
property,
prop
parking,
parking,
lots
and
so
part
of
the
talks
with
Family
Focus
is
they
have
roughly
60
parking
spots
available
on
an
everyday
basis
and
there's
only
they're
they're
using
less
than
50
percent
during
the
day.
Obviously,
at
times
things
increase,
but
for
the
most
part
on
average,
they
use
less
than
50
percent
of
the
spots.
E
They've
been
in
talks
with
the
school
district
I
think
the
there's
an
agreement
that
that's
being
worked
on.
H
The
other
thing
to
answer
your
question
is
that
during
conversation
with
the
city
staff,
there
was
a
request
that
the
district
considered
signing
a
use
agreement
between
the
district
and
Fleetwood
Jordan,
and
we
did
that
so
we're
committed
to
providing
a
minimal
amount
of
parking
space
and
I
believe
that
amount
was
15
additional
parking
space
that
will
be
dedicated
before
Fleetwood
Jordans
use
on
the
new
building
property.
That's
actually
writing.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
One
of
the
other
questions
is.
We've
talked
about
this
being
kind
of
a
combination
of
two
schools,
but
I
know
this.
Isn't
all
of
Bessie
Rhodes
coming
over?
Can
you
kind
of
break
down
what
percentage
of
Bessie
Rhodes
is
being
absorbed
into
this
new
school
and
how
much
of
it
is
the
Fifth
Ward
school?
So.
H
To
answer
your
question
simply,
it
would
be
difficult
to
do
because
what
we
are
doing,
we're
estimating
that
the
folks
who
are
10
best
roles
right
now,
they'll
be
offered
a
possession
a
place
in
the
new
Fifth
Ward
school.
We
don't
know
for
sure
that
all
of
them
will
take
those
those
offers
So
based
on
the
data
that
we
have
right
now,
we're
anticipating
200
of
those
from
vessel
roads
will
come
to
the
federal
school.
H
If
that
number
holds
true,
then
we
have
700
other
students
who
are
going
to
different
schools
such
as
origin,
Lincolnwood
Kingsley,
who
who
live
in
the
Fifth
Ward
right
now,
who
will
now
go
to
school
at
at
the
near
Fifth,
Ward,
School
and.
J
Sarita
Smith
director
of
student
assignment
so
I'm
the
number
cruncher,
so
we
do
currently
know
of
the
about
260
students
that
attend
Betsy
Rose
at
37
of
them
currently
live
in
the
Fifth
Ward
and
a
lot
of
them
are
going
there
for
bilingual
services
that
we
know
we
have
to
offer
in
that.
In
that
space,
But
to
Dr,
obafemi's,
Point,
Raphael,
Ferry's
Point,
we
are
trying
to
figure
out
how
families
will
choose,
because
not
everybody
will
want
to
come.
A
J
So
that's
just
Betsy
Rose,
so
we
currently
at
the
fifth
The
Fifth
Ward,
is
divided
into
five
different
attendance
areas.
Right
now,
Kingsley
and
Lincoln
would
hold
the
most
of
those
students
over
140
50
of
those
students
from
those
schools
respectively.
Currently
our
bus
there,
and
so
those
are
there's
going
to
definitely
be
an
impact
on
capacity
at
those
schools,
but
as
our
Student
Assignment
project
we're
looking
at
how
we
can
reutilize
those
capacities,
because
we
are
renting
space
for
other
programs.
A
Right,
thank
you
and
then
my
final
question
is:
we
talked
about
the
height
of
the
building
being
basically
about
45
feet
about
15
foot
per
floor.
How
did
you
arrange
how
did
you
arrive
at
15
foot
per
floor?
Well,
that's
an.
E
Easy
question
so
typically
for
a
brand
new
school
school
building
in
order
to
get
enough
natural
daylight
deep
into
the
classroom,
the
windows
should
be
the
window
head
should
be
at
about
10
feet,
okay,
and
so
that
sets
my
initial
ceiling
and
for
structural
purposes,
mechanical
electrical
equipment
to
be
hidden
above
the
ceiling.
There's
a
certain
amount
of
structure
that
sandwich
that's
needed
so.
E
G
So
without
going
into
excruciating
detail,
can
we
talk
about
traffic
and
planning
on
the
floor
around
the
site?
Obviously,
that
is
going
to
be
a
huge
impact
on
the
neighbors,
no
matter
how?
Well
it's
coordinated,
no
matter
how
well
it's
done
and
I
understood
the
plans.
What
you
were
doing
but
I
have
a
couple
concerns.
G
One
is
even
with
a
staggered
arrival
of
students.
You
may
still
have
parents
arriving
at
a
certain
time,
just
because
that's
their
schedule
and
they
have
to
get
there.
The
question
is:
what
happens
if
they
can't
get
close
enough
and
how
do
they
Park,
where
they
Park
and
what
that
does
to
to
the
area
and
then
because
you
have
that
loading
dock
or
the
loading
area
kind
of
as
part
of
your
driveway,
how
you
really
can
coordinate
that
to
make
sure
you
don't
have
issues
and
then
finally,
you
do
have
businesses.
G
E
E
For
the
exact
same
reasons,
you
stated
because
there
is
going
to
be
deliveries
and
obviously
staff
parking
in
that
area,
and
so
we
made
sure
absolutely
sure
that
no
students
or
or
parents
or
buses
would
enter
the
parking
lot
for
these
drop-off
areas
and
I'm
going
to
ask
Michael
to
maybe
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
in-depth
traffic
study.
L
I
thought
I
was
going
to
get
away
without
coming
up
here,
a
worthman
with
kloa,
it's
good
to
see
everybody
again.
We
conducted
the
traffic
study,
Transportation
study
for
the
proposed
School
excellent
questions.
First
of
all,
similar
with
all
schools.
We
are
going
to
have
some
congestion
around
those
pickup
drop-off
times
it's
just
a
given
with
the
fixed
start
and
end
times
of
schools.
There's
a
number
of
things
characteristics
with
this
school
that
should
help
minimize
that
and
limit
it.
L
The
first
is
that
it's
a
neighborhood
school
this,
the
boundary
at
the
most,
is
two-thirds
to
three
quarters
of
a
mile.
So
we're
hoping
and
expecting
a
lot
of
the
residents
to
walk
to
school,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
we
looked
at
is
we
don't
want
to
make
it
too
convenient
for
them
to
pick
up
and
drop
off?
We
really
want
this
to
be
a
walking
School.
A
neighborhood
school
I
live
in
Oak
Park
in
all
of
our
elementary
schools.
L
Had
no
busing
and
I
lived,
four
or
five
blocks
I
had
across
a
major
road
and
we
walked
our
children
most
every
day.
It
was
just
more
convenient
to
do
that.
That
being
said,
there
will
be
people
who
drive,
but
the
first
one.
It
is
a
neighborhood
school
and
we
think
and
we're
hoping
that
it
most
people
it
may
be
more
convenient
to
walk
to
even
try
to
pick
up
and
drop
off
their
students.
L
Second,
is
the
fact
that
the
two
schools
will
be
a
staggered
start
an
hour
in
the
morning
and
15
minutes
in
the
afternoon,
which
is
great
because
it
helps
distribute
that
traffic.
Excuse
me,
the
other,
is
the
school
district
will
have
a
robust
before
school
and
after
school
programs,
so
that
surging
of
traffic
will
be
significantly
reduced
because
it
will
be
distributed
over
a
longer
time.
All
of
that
will
help
to
reduce
some
of
that
surging
of
traffic.
That
being
said,
given
the
urban
area,
we
really
don't
have
a
pickup
and
drop
off.
L
L
We
did
a
parking
study
in
the
neighborhood,
looking
four
or
five
blocks
out
and
there's
more
than
enough
parking
in
the
neighborhood.
Now
is
it
directly
in
front
of
the
school?
No,
and
that's
a
just
that
this
an
incentive
not
to
drive.
You
know
it
may
be
quicker
for
you
to
walk
the
same
distance
as
where
you're
going
to
park
several
things
on
the
parking.
L
Somebody
look
at
my
notes
as
it
pertains
to
the
long-term
Parkers,
which
are
the
staff.
You've
heard
a
couple
things:
there'll
be
83
parking
spaces,
we're
looking
at
about
70
staff
members
and
about
85
percent
of
them
of
them
drive.
So
the
parking
lot
is
going
to
be
sufficient
for
the
staff.
L
Also
going
to
look
to
see
if
they
can
get
some
parking
from
some
of
the
churches
in
the
area,
so
they're
going
to
look
for
some
additional
overflow
parking,
and
that
is
one
of
the
recommendations
and
conditions
that
staff
came
up
and
the
school
district
is
willing
to
do.
Also.
The
school
district
has
a
very
robust
program
to
get
their
staff
to
use
alternative
modes
of
transportation,
and
the
doctor
can
speak
to
that,
but
they're
looking
to
do
that.
So
the
parking
demand
for
that
long-term
parking
will
be
pretty
much
accommodated
within
their
lot.
L
Then
you
go
to
that
short-term
parking
during
pickup
and
drop
off
and
once
again,
that's
very
short
term.
That's
five
minutes!
Probably
in
the
morning,
maybe
in
the
afternoon
it
will
be
10
to
15
minutes,
maybe
20
minutes
if
some
people
come
early,
but
once
again
this
is
very
short-term
parking,
we're
expecting
it
to
be
low,
given
that
it's
a
walking
school
and
that
distribution
of
traffic.
More
importantly,
in
the
morning
most
of
that
parking
is
going
to
occur
between
8
and
9
o'clock.
L
Before
most
of
the
business
is
open
and
then
in
the
afternoon
the
business
is
already
parked,
so
the
students
parents
are
going
to
have
to
find
a
place
to
park.
Also,
the
amount
of
parking
in
the
afternoon
is
usually
less
than
in
the
morning,
because
so
many
parents
and
caregivers
are
working.
They
don't
pick
up
their
students
in
the
afternoon.
They
either
walk
home
or
they're
using
those
after
school.
So
we
understand
we're
going
to
have
an
impact
on
that
parking.
L
We
think
we're
taking
care
of
that
long-term
parking
as
well
as
we
can,
and
the
pickup
and
drop-off
parking
once
again.
That's
very
short
term
15-20
minutes
and
they'll
find
space.
I
was
out
there
again
today,
there's
a
lot
of
parking
on
Foster
available.
It's
a
lot
of
parking
on
Simpson
now.
Is
it
two
two
and
a
half
blocks
away?
Yes
and
some
parent
will
say
well,
it's
easier
for
me
to
walk
three
blocks
from
my
house
than
it
is
to
drive
and
then
have
to
walk
two
blocks.
L
So
you
know
we
we
understand,
we
understand,
there's
going
to
be
some
congestion,
but
we're
trying
to
do
everything
we
can
to
minimize
those
impacts
and
I
will
say:
staff
provided
a
number
of
recommendations
which
the
school
district
I
understand
has
agreed
to
conditions,
recommendations
to
really
protect
the
neighborhood
to
have
us
look
at
it
afterwards,
if
need
be,
to
work
with
the
community.
L
All
of
that
they
need
to
come
up
with
a
circulation
plan
and
a
parking
plan
six
months
after
it's
approved
that
will
be
a
collaboration
with
staff,
as
well
as
the
neighbors
they're
going
to
come
up
with
a
safety
plan
for
those
crosswalks,
and
all
of
that
there
was
like
five
conditions
in
there,
I'm
sure
you're,
aware
of
so
excellent
questions.
We
think
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
minimize
that
impact,
but
there
will
be
some
impacts,
but
once
again,
it's
really
going
to
be
that
pick
up
and
drop
off.
I
You
I
have
one
question
so
currently
on
Simpson
and
partially
on
Ashland.
During
the
day,
there
are
plenty
of
parked
cars
mainly
for
the
businesses
that
are
over
there
right
right
and
the
business
district
actually
goes.
I
would
say
a
little
bit
north,
but
unfortunately,
on
Iceland
on
the
North
part
from
Simpson.
Most
of
the
businesses
have
driveways
or
entrances
to
garages
or
entrances
for
loading,
so
parking
on
Ashland
north
of
Simpson
is
relatively
Limited.
I
L
I
It
was
written
that
the
lay-
how
do
you
call
it
play
by
lanes
that
is,
for
the
school
buses
on
Simpson
will
be
used
for
parking
out
of
school
hours
right?
How
will
this
be
controlled?.
L
I
L
It
is
30
minutes
today,
I
drove
down
Ashland
and
the
east
side
of
Ashland
north
of
Simpson.
All
of
it
is
parking
and
there
wasn't
a
sole
parking
on
it.
So
there's
there's
parking
spaces.
Are
we
gonna
push
the
parking
into
different
areas
in
the
neighborhood?
Yes,
we
are
there's
nothing
more.
We
can
say
about
that.
F
I
have
to
ask
just
because,
just
today-
and
this
evening
we
received
several
letters
from
people
in
the
community
about
this
and
I
have
to
admit
I.
Don't
I
can't
I
have
no
opinion
on
this,
but
I
I
was
wondering
this.
Isn't
a
traffic
question
on
the
Synthetic
Turf
the
letters
that
we
received
said
that
it's
bad
for
kids.
It
causes
cancer,
etc,
etc.
F
I
get
I,
don't
know
if
you
could
address
that,
but
I
I
guess.
My
question
is
for
a
school.
Why
was
synthetic
Church
Turf
chosen
over
over
grass.
E
So
as
as
We've
mentioned
before,
there
has
been
a
month
of
talk
between
the
community,
District,
65
and
quite
honestly,
City
of
Evanston
staff,
and
so
because
of
the
nature
of
the
park
and
the
amount
of
usage
we
quite
honestly
foresee
it
would
be
extremely
difficult
to
maintain
proper
natural
grass
field
because
of
the
usage
and
City
staff,
I'm,
not
going
to
say
they're
endorsing
it
natural
or
a
Synthetic
Turf,
but
they
are
definitely
not
against
it.
Because
again
we
are
willing
to
share
the
play
field
with
the
city.
E
K
F
H
We
will
be
happy
to
do
that.
We
have
not
we're
not
married
to
synthetic,
and
it
was
just
an
option
that
we
were
consider
it
and
if
we
can,
if
we
can
figure
out
a
way
to
have
natural
grass
and
still
be
able
to
to
make
sure
the
kids
enjoy
the
benefit
of
being
able
to
use
the
field
year
round,
we
will
certainly
look
at
it.
A
Oh
okay,
okay,
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
at
this
point.
N
Yeah,
going
back
to
the
artificial
turf
right
now
that
field
is
used
for
football
for
little
kids
football.
Why
would
we
be
replacing
that
now
with
the
thought
of
artificial
turf.
N
I
mean
because
the
maintenance
of
natural
grass
versus
now
you're
you're,
going
to
have
dirt
and
grime
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
basically
be
part
of
that
turf.
How
do
you,
how
would
you
clean
that?
How
would
you
maintain
a
more
I
guess,
clean
or
the
sanitary
environment
versus
natural
grass.
H
So
we
want
to
do
what
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
community
and
the
community
juices
they've,
given
us
feedback
in
the
design
process,
so
far,
I've
Incorporated,
that
into
the
design
of
the
the
building,
where
we
incorporate
the
the
the
response
that
we've
gotten
and
the
opposition
to
the
artificial,
tough
and
we'll
look
at
replacing
that
with
natural
grass.
A
I
have
a
just
a
couple
questions
in
this.
One
of
these
may
involve
staff.
Can
you
speak
a
little
to
the
storm
water
management
I
mean
obviously
we're
taking
a
green
space
and
building
a
good
sized
building
on
it.
So
what
is
the
storm
water
management
plan.
E
So
so
there
is
one
for
sure
right
now,
we're
looking
at
underground
structures,
most
likely
under
the
play
field
and
under
the
parking
area.
The
City
of
Evanston
wrd
are
are
very
strict.
We
have
to
meet
all
kinds
of
State
codes,
so
storm
water
management
will
be
managed.
A
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
on
the
record
for
us
yep.
Absolutely
the
other
thing
that
came
up
during
Dapper
and
I
think
this
is
more
of
a
staff
question.
Is
there
was
talk
of
widening
Ashland
Avenue?
Was
that
just
talk,
or
was
that
like
something
we're
exploring
or
what
is
the?
What
is
what's
going
on
with
that.
D
A
B
A
I,
don't
believe
you
were
here
for
the
swearing-in,
so
I
will
ask
you
to
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
swear
our
firm
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
the
proceedings?
Thank
you
very
much.
Miss
Biggs.
If
you
would
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
your
occupation.
A
Thank
you.
So
there
was
a
question
about
how
how
is
the
street
widening
funded?
Is
that
a
something
the
applicant
does?
Is
that
something
the
city
does?
Is
it
a
shared
expense
to
you.
O
G
Sorry
one
last
question:
this
is
really
for
staff.
Your
memo
indicated
that
there
probably
will
be
some
impact
on
the
programming
for
Fleetwood
Jordan
with
this
development.
What
are
the
concerns
there?
What
do
you
see
happening
and
you
know
how?
How
can
the
city
plan
for
that
or
or
what
do
you
need
to
respond
to
in
terms
of
the
community?
There.
O
What
we
found
in
a
nutshell,
is
the
interior
spaces
that
we
all
use
gyms
cafeteria
Auditorium.
We
tend
to
all
need
them
at
the
exact
same
times
and
so
for
interior
spaces.
That
is
not
a
really
good
shared
use.
Opportunity,
exterior
spaces
are
a
little
bit
different.
The
school
district
has
a
high
need
during
the
day.
O
What
exactly
it
looks
like
is
really
still
to
be
determined,
so
they
have
agreed
that
during
school
holidays
and
summer
camp
periods
they
would
you
know
the
fields
would
definitely
be
available
for
the
City
of
Evanston
to
use
for
our
child
care
programming,
and
that
is
a
a
huge
thing
for
us,
the
After
School
portion.
We
are
still
negotiating
between
they're
looking
at
what
Athletics
they
are
planning
to
offer
and
what
we
offer.
So
there
are
likely
going
to
be
some
impacts.
O
A
lot
depends
on
the
use
agreements,
but
so
far
we've
found
them
to
be
really
willing
to
commit
to
the
vast
majority
of
the
time
fill
time
that
we
need
we
would
have
available.
There
is
an
impact
to
the
loss
of
the
tennis
courts,
which
is
not
I,
don't
believe.
That's
programmed
a
lot
by
Fleetwood
Jordan
as
direct
programming,
but
it
is
used
by
the
community.
A
I'd
like
to
move
into
public
comment
unless
there's
any
other
questions
from
commissioners.
At
this
point
you
may
have
a
seat.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
do
have
I
do
have
nine
people
signed
up.
I
believe.
Is
this
yeah?
That's
my
entire
list
I'm
going
to
give
everyone
roughly
three
minutes:
I'm
not
going
to
be
real
strict
with
time
but
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
please
confine
your
comments
to
the
project
at
hand
and
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
come
up
and
just
state
your
name
for
the
record.
A
That's
fine,
I
I've
noticed
there's
a
couple
names
here
where
there's
I'm
guessing
you're
the
is
it
Zim
so
I
will
I
will
reorder
things
so
that
you
can.
You
can
have
the
kids
go
first,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
go
in
any
specific
order,
but
I
have
Amanda
Ash
and
Jack
zeem
signed
up
okay.
A
I'm
just
going
to
ask
you
to
sign
in
then
on
on
there
anybody
else
there
will
be
one
circulating
there,
but
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
Jackson
to
come
up
and
begin
public
comment
all
right.
P
Hello,
my
name
is
Jack,
seem
and
I'm
a
fifth
grader
in
Evanston
I'm
here
to
ask
that
the
new
Fifth
Ward
School
use
grass
instead
of
artificial
turf,
I
play
soccer
and
I
know
that
sometimes
the
field
that
Robert
Crown
get
pretty
hot
hotter
than
grass
way
hotter
than
grass
I
have
also
learned
that
most
injuries
also
occur
on
Turf
as
well.
The
U.S
national
soccer
teams
will
only
play
on
grass
to
limit
injuries.
Also
artificial
grass
increases
the
risk
of
cancer.
This
is
a
school.
P
My
younger
brother
may
attend
and
I'm
I'm
worried
about
him.
I
shaved,
my
head
this
year
and
last
year
and
right
for
Pediatric
cancer
and
raised
almost
three
thousand
dollars
I
had
and
I've.
What
thank
you
and
I
have
two
close
friends
with
brain
cancer.
Please
don't
allow
my
younger
brother
or
any
other
kids
or
anyone
to
be
exposed
to
artificial
turf
daily
at
recess.
I,
don't
want
him
to
get
cancer
or
anyone
else.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you.
Next
up,
okay,.
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
Asher
zeem
and
I'm,
an
eighth
grader
in
Evanston
I'm
concerned
about
the
increased
risk
of
cancer
in
artificial
turf.
Recent
reports
has
found
a
potential
link
between
the
cancer
in
eight
and
six
deaths
of
baseball
players
from
the
Phillies
and
artificial
turf.
They
all
died
of
a
brain
cancer
called
glioblastoma
according
to
the
Americans
Association
of
neurological
surgeons,
glioblastoma
is
one
of
the
deadliest
cancers
and
can
result
in
a
death
in
six
months
or
less.
Q
My
aunt
also
died
of
glioblastoma
I
was
worried
when
I
found
out
they
might
use
Turf.
Since
my
aunt
died
of
brain
cancer
is
something
that
is
very
serious
and
should
not
be
overlooked.
Q
The
plan
is
approved
that
elementary
school
kids
will
be
unknowingly
play
on
the
turf
that
could
give
them
cancer,
not
just
that,
but
my
brother
and
his
friends
could
go
to
this
school.
The
use
of
turf
could
impact
many
students
in
20
years
in
the
future.
Please
use
grass.
Thank
you.
Thank.
R
Hi
hi,
commissioner
City
staff
I,
would
have
dressed
up
more
I
just
had
leg
surgery
yesterday,
but
it's
that
important
that
I
wanted
to
come
today.
So
my
name
is
Amanda.
Ziem
I
live
at
1632
Wesley
Avenue
less
than
a
mile
from
the
proposed
Fifth
Ward
School
I
have
three
school-aged
children,
two
of
which
you
just
met.
R
We
are
considering
sending
our
youngest,
who
is
currently
a
student
in
District
65
to
Bessie
Rhodes,
which
is
part
of
the
new
Fifth
Ward
School
I
review
the
plans
for
the
proposed
school
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
35
800
square
feet
of
artificial
turf
for
the
kids
Playfield.
It's
not
it's
not
mentioned
there,
but
it
was.
R
These
types
of
fields
are
increasingly
becoming
banned
in
cities
and
professional
sports
across
the
country.
Recently,
Boston
Massachusetts
banned
artificial
turf
in
their
park.
City-Wide
per
the
guardian,
the
NFL
players
league
is
pressuring
the
league
to
ban
artificial
turf
due
to
increases
in
injuries
and,
as
was
mentioned,
the
U.S
soccer
teams
only
play
on
grass.
For
the
same
reason,
artificial
turf
contains
toxic
chemicals
involving
vocs
and
carcinogens.
R
These
chemicals
are
toxic.
The
exposure
gets
worse
over
time
as
the
field.
Degrades
grass
is
much
safer
option
for
our
kids
to
plan.
One
of
the
land
use
commission
standards
when
evaluating
the
development
is
standard
number
one
number
one.
The
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
R
R
R
R
Dapper
recommends
multiple
conditions
on
this
project
if
it
is
approved
per
the
packet
in.
In
summary,
if
the
land
use
commission
decides
to
approve,
I
would
recommend
that
an
added
condition
I
would
recommend
for
an
added
condition
that
the
artificial
turf
be
turned
to
Grass
it
matters.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
M
M
Adding
a
very
tall
block,
long
building
along
Simpson
and
Ashland
will
have
a
substantial
adverse
effect
on
the
use,
enjoyment
and
property
values
of
the
residences
and
businesses
facing
the
school.
Adding
20
additional
feet
of
height
to
the
building
will
severely
impact
views
and
block
the
South
finishing
units
in
our
building
sunlight,
especially
during
the
winter,
as
well
as
for
pedestrians
and
people
traveling.
M
M
Building
along
this
block,
long
expanse
or
the
health
issues
caused
by
increased
exhaust
from
cars
and
buses
that
will
be
generated
and
trapped
in
this
corridor
for
the
traffic
and
parking
issues,
The
Architects
in
District
65
are
proposing
that
they
will
quote
figure
this
out
within
six
months
after
approval
has
been
granted
and,
as
stated
in
one
place
in
their
document
quote
after
the
school
has
been
completed.
That
consideration
is
way
too
late
to
hold
them
accountable
for
the
significant
adjustments
required
to
remedy
their
currently
very
generic
and
unrealistic
suggestions.
M
The
parking
study
was
done
on
a
single
day.
Wednesday
March,
1st
and
given
the
dynamic
nature
of
the
neighborhood
one
day,
is
hardly
reflective
of
the
full
nature
of
the
challenges.
But
to
speak
to
the
study
assumptions,
they
claimed
an
overly
optimistic
average
of
60
availability
or
250
spaces
available
during
the
arrival
in
departure
school
hours.
Those
parking
space
averages
are
primarily
due
to
the
parking
availability
on
the
roads,
much
further
south
of
the
school,
not
directly
adjacent
to
the
primary
entrances
which
are
accessed
via
the
very
congested
business
district
to
the
North.
M
The
second
specific
variation
I
opposed
is
the
proposed
lay-by
Lanes
on
Simpson
in
Ashland.
Not
only
will
they
require
the
removal
of
many
mature
trees,
but
for
Simpson
Street
it
will
move
approximately
20
existing
much
needed
long-term
parking
spots
with
no
adequate
plan
to
replace
them.
This
is
in
addition
to
the
potential
issues
on
Ashland
with
the
removal
of
those
long-term
parking
spots,
which
were
addressed
obviously
much
earlier
today,
as
well.
M
In
the
interest
of
time,
I
will
not
address
all
the
remaining
issues
but
I
discovered
in
the
265-page
document,
but
simply
asks
you
to
please
reject
these
requests
for
major
variances
until
the
Architects
and
District
65
have
presented
a
more
thought
out
and
specific
plan
for
addressing
the
issues
that
would
be
caused
by
the
new
school
to
the
existing
local
residents,
as
well
as
to
the
many
businesses
that
provide
the
like
Bud
of
the
Fifth
Ward.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
Thank.
A
S
Hi,
my
name
is
Adam
Kingsley
I'm,
actually
Julie,
benaya's
attorney
I,
think
I
indicated
on
the
on
the
sign-in
sheet,
so
she
is
a
homeowner
on
Ashland
Avenue
within
250
feet
of
the
of
the
school,
so
I
I
do
intend
to
instead
of
making
I
just
want
some
clarification
instead
of
having
her
make
or
me
make
a
public
comment.
S
A
So
I
can
get
other
people
through.
So
I'll
call
you
back
up
in
a
moment
no
problem,
Jerome
Summers.
T
T
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
the
school
board
for
stopping
the
having
our
students.
All
of
every
student
in
the
Fifth
Ward
was
a
you
know,
a
immigrant
student.
You
know
a.
What
do
you
call
them
a
migrant
student
to
other
places,
and
that's
just
it
was
terrible
for
our
community
terrible
anyway
about
this
school
right
here.
T
What
I
would
like
to
see
actually
I
think
the
of
our
fourth
floor
would
be
a
very
good
thing
and
also
I
mean
it
might
be
some
something
of
an
inconvenience
for
the
people
on
those
on
those
two
blocks,
but
it
does
not
destroy
property
values
because
I
get
an
office
on
my
house
once
or
twice
a
week,
and
that's
that's
all
over
the
Fifth
Ward.
Also.
T
If
that
building
were
moved
exactly
like
it
is
now
but
moved
to
the
South
to
more
hug
up
against
Fleetwood,
you
could
keep
that
green
space
and
wouldn't
need
any
astral
turf.
Astral
surface
is
really
a
bad
thing
also
when
I
think
about
Fleetwood,
Family
Focus
and
the
school
there,
people
in
the
community.
T
Think
of
that,
as
in
one
breath
this
you
know
we
talk
about
the
school
like
it's
an
insular
thing,
but
it's
not
an
insular
thing
that
whole
campus
is
a
safe
place
for
kids
in
our
community
for
Generations
and
I
mean
first,
my
parents
were
married
58
years,
I,
think
of
them
in
one
breath.
It
didn't
build
I,
think
of
community
of
Fleetwood
jourdain
a
school
and
Family
Focus
in
one
breath,
and
that's
how
most
people
in
our
community
think
of
that.
T
So
you
might
want
to
consider
that,
in
your
in
your
evaluations
of
things
also
I
want
to
know
if
Betsy
Rhodes
over
time,
eight
years
ten
years
could
be
absorbed
into
the
Fifth
Ward
school
and
just
be
part
of
the
fifth
world
school
like
it's
instead
of
two
different
entities
who
think
of
themselves
as
different
entities
because
they
all
live
there,
we
all
live
there.
T
Also
strong
after
school
programs.
I
think
that's
a
good
thing,
Community
inclusion.
Another
reason
why
I
think
the
building
would
be
better
move
further
north
further
south
is
because
the
Green
Space
here
tells
everybody
else
in
the
community
stay
out
of
here.
That's
what
it
looks
like
to
me.
Whereas
the
way
it
is
now
people
can
just
come.
People
in
the
community
can
just
come.
I
think
this
is
a
community
school
excuse
me.
T
We
do
have
things
like
and
I,
don't
know
what
the
coordination
is
between
Family,
Focus
and
Fleetwood.
But
you
know
there
are
three
there's
two
other
gyms
there's
a
couple
other
theaters
there's
a
couple
other
places
that
can
be
used
as
cafeterias
and
and
eating
spaces.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's,
if
you
guys
work
on
that
or
if
you
just
think
of
this
as
one
school,
but
you
know
it's
to
us,
it's
bigger
than
that.
T
Let's
see
what
else.
Also,
if
you
had
four
stories
which
may
or
may
not
be
in
the
in
the
cards,
I
don't
know,
but
when
you
have
fewer
fewer
stories,
you
have
fewer
classrooms,
which
means
the
classrooms
are
larger,
larger
student
population
per
classroom.
It
seems
to
me
I,
don't
know
for
sure,
but
that's
what
how
it
seems
to
me.
So
excuse
me,
I
think
you
know
fourth
story
would
be
in
order.
A
Be
good,
I
think
we're
good
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
Summers
Robin
Brown
should
leave
early
okay,
Cecile
McHugh.
U
About
your
official
Turf
I'm
here
to
voice
opposition
to
the
proposed
large
expansive,
artificial
turf,
the
current
comprehensive
plan
emphasizes
the
importance
of
the
quality
of
the
natural
environment,
I'm,
expecting
the
updated,
comprehensive
plan
to
state
that
we
should
as
much
as
possible
be
stewards
for
the
natural
environment.
Given
recent
efforts
to
ban
glass
blowers
encourage
no
momets
use
bird
friendly
materials,
Etc
artificial
turf
is
a
huge
step
backwards.
U
Children
who
go
to
this
school
deserve
natural
Green,
Space
I've
heard
that
a
fallen,
artificial
turf
can
hurt
and
that
the
turf
can
get
very
hot.
It's
alarming
to
read
that
artificial
turf
commonly
contains
the
forever
chemicals
pfas
and
in
March
of
this
year
the
Biden
Harris
Administration
proposed
a
standard
to
protect
communities
from
pfas
and
drinking
water.
V
Hello,
Jeff
Tosh
I
live
at
2019
Daryl,
which
is
500
within
500
feet
of
the
property
and
I'm
100
for
the
Fifth
Ward
school,
but
the
money's
in
the
details
and
there's
a
lot
of
details
that
are
missing
from
this
plan
that
directly
relate
to
some
of
these
variations
that
are
being
asked
for
people
have
already
spoke
about:
the
need
for
Ashland
Avenue
to
be
widened
and
Foster
I
challenge
any
of
you.
V
People
on
the
commission
to
go
drive
down
those
streets
during
four
o'clock
when
buses
are
rolling
down
by
Fleetwood
and
see
what
it's
like
to
try
and
navigate
that
street
with
current
conditions.
And
now,
if
we
get
these
variations
and
we
have
added
traffic,
it's
going
to
make
it
that
much
worse.
Another
detail,
I'm
very
concerned
about
is
on
Dewey
Avenue
up
there.
You
see
near
the
cul-de-sac,
it
does
not
tie
into
the
family
focused
parking,
and
if
there's
this
agreement,
that's
going
on.
Currently
the
family
focused
parking
lot
is
accessed
Through.
V
The
Alley,
which
is
my
alley,
and
our
neighborhood
is
filled
with
kids,
who
are
going
to
want
to
go
to
that
playground.
They're
going
to
want
to
go
to
that
field
to
play
and
there's
already
cars
that
are
dangerously
flying
down
that
alley
and
now
you're
going
to
add
900
kids
into
the
mix
and
different
activities
and
I,
don't
know
how
that
parking
lot
is
allowed
to
exist
in
its
current
state,
with
the
only
access
to
it
being
an
alley
when
there's
an
opportunity
to
tie
it
into
Dewey
Avenue's
cul-de-sac.
V
Another
concern
I
have
is
that
pretty
much
this
entire
site
is
100
impervious
surface
I,
don't
know
how
that's
not
a
variation,
that's
being
asked
for.
How
is
the
site
allowed
to
be
100
impervious
and,
like
the
architect
said,
you
know,
the
water
table
is
extremely
high
there.
My
sump
pump
goes
off
pretty
much
every
two
minutes
when
it's
not
raining,
and
so
now
we're
going
to
have
all
of
this
water.
V
Where
is
it
going
to
go
if
we
have
a
turf
field
and
it's
going
to
go
into
my
neighbor's
yards,
because
it
already
happens
when
it
rains
a
lot
and
if
this
site
is
allowed
to
be
developed?
V
This
way,
I
don't
know
where
all
that
rain
water
is
going
to
go,
how
big
that
tank
is
going
to
need
to
be
is
going
to
be
massive,
considering
it's
100,
impervious
and
so
I
would
say
that
before
any
of
these
variations
are
approved,
that
a
lot
of
these
details
are
worked
out
with
the
infrastructure
and
the
site.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
A
You
Mr
Tosh
Tina
Vinson,.
W
I
recently
purchased
2033
Ashland.
It
is,
you
know,
within
feet,
of
the
proposed
drop-off
Zone
on
Ashland,
as
he
previously
mentioned
the
speaker
before
me.
You
know
with
one
bus
going
down
the
street
or
even
one
car
the
parking
on
the
side
of
the
street
with
houses.
It's
you
know
it's
a
one-way
Street,
basically
with
kids,
going
to
the
park
already
as
it
is
I've
seen
numerous
times
where
I
thought
I
was
going
to
look
out
of
my
office
window
and
see
a
a
kid
get
hit
in
the
street.
W
It's
it's
very
dangerous,
as
is
I,
think
the
you
know
the
study
that
was
done
about
the
parking,
absolutely
insanely
ridiculous,
like
it's.
It's
not
even
close.
Like
nothing
was
mentioned
about
the
the
again.
It
might
may
seem
a
little
crazy,
but
just
north
of
Simpson
on
Ashland
there's,
a
Doggy
Daycare
that
is
expanding.
I
mean
like
every
time.
A
tenant
basically
leaves
that
space.
They
expand
the
drop-off
in
the
morning
alone,
from
just
the
Doggy
Daycare
backs
up
onto
my
street.
W
Additionally
widening
the
street
would
be
have
to
be.
You
know
like
a
condition,
as
she
mentioned,
that
it
already
is.
I
am
the
only
home
on
that
street.
That
is
not
a
multi-family,
so
I'm,
the
only
one
you
know
with
like
actually
access
to
a
garage
other
than
if
the
tenants
or
sorry
if
the
owner
lives
on
the
property
rent
it
out.
So
every
single,
a
person
that
owns
a
a
vehicle
doesn't
Park
in
my
alley
right.
W
They
they
do
park
on
the
street,
so
I
would
definitely
propose
if
going
forward,
not
only
widening
on
the
street,
but
we
definitely
need
to
make
some
sort
of
Resident
parking.
Only
it's
only
fair
I.
Think,
for
you
know
those
of
us
that
you
know
moved
to
the
area
or
owned
property
there
that
we
get
one
single
spot.
At
least
you
know,
I
think
there
was
also
mention
and
again
maybe
just
some
more
information
that
I
could
get
at.
Some
point
is
just
you
know.
W
When
was
that
survey
that
was
mentioned,
sent
out,
I've
lived
in
the
home
since
November
of
22
and
haven't
received
a
lick
of
mail
regarding
this
I
actually
missed
the
first
meeting
that
was
actually
held
at
the
Fleetwood
Jordan
Center,
because
I
didn't
even
know
about
it
and
I
live.
You
know
again
within
like
15
feet,
of
where
the
the
proposed
school
is
going
to
be
again.
I
think
the
estimate
of
you
know,
kids
that
are
going
to
walk
versus,
getting
dropped
off,
is
grossly
miscalculated.
W
I
think
it's
I
think
we
see
even
at
Evanston.
If
you
drive
down
and
go
to
the
Evanston
Public
High
School
I
mean
15
to
20
minutes
in
the
morning
during
drop
off
for
congestion.
Are
you
kidding
me
it's
ours
hours
of
time,
just
like
extra
traffic
and
again
that's
fine
I
I
do
want
a
school
in
this
community,
but
I
think
you
know,
as
the
other
resident
one
of
the
other
residents
stated
right
now,
the
way
it's
laid
out.
W
It's
grossly
you
know
affecting
all
of
the
neighbors
and
business
owners,
whereas
if
you
were
to
just
move
the
L
shape
the
other
way
and
have
the
field
visible
from
the
street,
it
creates
such
a
I,
don't
know,
I,
think
prettier,
View
and
I
think
most
of
the
residents
would
be
happier
and
then
I
think
you
could
also
get
a
away
with
even
a
taller
school.
So
I
think
just
like
many
of
the
previous
residents
stated
I.
Think
a
lot
of
things
in
the
details
are
not
worked
out.
W
I
think
a
single
day
parking
study
is
insane
I.
Think
just
observing,
like
I,
said
the
Doggy
Daycare
alone
causes
a
traffic
jam.
So
I
would
like
to
just
propose
that
you
guys
reject
the
you
know
the
plan
as
is
and,
and
you
know,
require
a
lot
more
planning,
because
six
months
after
the
school
is
built
is
again,
as
another
Resident
said
way
too
late
to
address
anything
related
to
parking.
W
And
lastly,
one
thing
I
had
notice
throughout
is
that
70
about
like
there
was
like
70
staff,
or
something
and
I
could
be
getting
it
wrong
that
we're
going
to
need
to
park,
and
then
that
leaves
13
stalls.
You
know
for
like
the
Fleetwood
Jordan
Center,
who
I
think
now
has
like
I,
think
I
counted
the
other
day
like
15
to
20.,
so
it's
like
they're
already
gonna
lose.
W
You
know
more
parking
just
because
of
like
staff,
parking
and
I
agree
that
there
does
need
to
be
more
parking,
but
it's
definitely
not
going
to
school
over
onto
the
streets
cleanly
and
they're.
Just
like
I
think
the
main
issue
really
is
the
parking
and
the
traffic
it
is
going
to
be
very
dangerous
for
the
residents.
So,
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
There's
somebody
else
who
didn't
sign
up
I've
been
told.
Is
that
true?
Yes,
if
you'd
like
to
come
up
at
this
point
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
X
Good
evening
my
name
is
Michael.
Morose
I
did
raise
my
hand,
be
sworn
in
I'm,
president
of
marus
and
Company
we're
a
real
estate
appraisal,
consulting
firm
located
in
Park,
Ridge,
Illinois
and
I
have
extensive
experience
in
Evanston
and,
having
worked
many
years
for
you
on
various
land
use
issues,
I
submitted
a
value
impact
study.
X
Looking
at
the
proposed
plan,
that's
in
your
packet,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
whole
thing,
but
basically
what
this
does
is
look
at
the
proposed
use
and
then
looks
at
the
neighborhood
looks
at
similar
situations
to
determine
if
the
proposed
plan
has
an
impact
on
value.
So
in
my
career,
I've
probably
done
300
impact
studies,
quarries
schools,
senior
facilities,
churches,
wind
farms,
recycling
facilities,
Etc
and
actually
several
of
different
studies
in
Evanston.
X
X
We
looked
at
sales
of
properties
almost
immediately
proximate
and
those
in
the
same
neighborhood
a
couple
blocks
away
and
also
looked
at
Evanston
High
School,
which
is
a
little
different
animal
just
because
of
the
huge
intensity
of
use
you
got,
you
know
soccer
football
lacrosse
swimming
go
on
and
on
and
in
all
the
situations
and
again
this
is
a
urban
Suburban
Urban
environment
I
did
not
see
any
indication
of
negative
impact.
In
fact,
a
neighborhood
school
and
the
quality
of
the
school
district
is
probably
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
impacts
value.
X
We've
heard
about
density
and
height.
This
is
a
town,
that's
loaded
with
height
or
loaded
with
density,
with
loaded
with
apartment
buildings
next
to
expensive,
single-family
residents,
that's
part
of
the
charm
and
the
character,
and
it
clearly
has
negatively
impacted
property
values.
I'm
not
here
for
a
taste
test.
Mine
is
really
looking
at
the
impact
and
the
benefits
of
the
community
and
this
immediate
neighborhood
and
really
looking
at
it
from
a
value
standpoint.
Any
questions.
M
M
1601
Simpson
did
you
take
into
account
any
of
the
commercial
comparables
for
businesses
that
are
next
to
a
brand
new
school.
X
In
the
study,
there's
not
a
specific
comparison
to
businesses,
but
I'm,
probably
appraised
over
2
000
commercial
properties
in
and
around
the
metro
area
and
having
a
vibrant
Neighborhood
Activity
in
the
neighborhood
quality
of
new
modernization.
Development.
Virtually
in
all
instances
has
a
positive
impact
and.
M
I
read
your
study:
how
about
specifically
the
removal
of
green
space
as
it
affects
residences,
because
currently
we
obviously
have
a
very
large
Park,
Long
View
big,
open
space.
There's
been
stated
many
times.
We
would
lose
that
complete
Green
Space
to
a
wall
of
property
on
both
Ashland
and
Simpson.
That
is
55
feet.
High
45
in
some
areas
have
you
looked
at
a
comparable
that
it
impacts,
residences
and
businesses
immediately
across
the
street,
from
Green
Space
to
a
wall
55
feet
high.
X
Very
good
question,
and
as
an
appraiser
looking
at
land
use,
you
not
only
look
at
what's
there,
but
what
can
be
there
and
the
school
district
is
on
the
property
for
many
years
and
had
per
zoning
has
the
right
to
build
a
school.
This
is
not
a
park,
that's
owned
by
a
Park
District.
This
is
not
a
forest
preserve.
This
is
not
something
that
has
restricted
covenants
on
it,
where
you
can't
build
a
building,
so
you
can't
look
at
every
lot
that
it's
going
to
be
a
Perpetual
Park
paid
for
forever.
X
So
that
really
isn't
a
good
comparison
because
per
zoning
you
can
build
a
building
on
it.
Thank
you
but
the
question,
but
it's
not
a
park
per
se.
That's
going
to
be
a
park
forever!
It's
just
like
somebody
sitting
next
to
a
subdivision
or
in
a
subdivision
sitting
next
to
100
acres
that
has
a
highest
and
bus
use
for
residential
development.
Unless
you
own
the
land
you're
not
entitled
to
control
it.
A
Y
Hi
everyone
Sula
Kim,
932,
Hinman,
Evanston,
District,
65
Vice
board
press
vice
president
I
already
submitted
a
comment,
but
I
also
wanted
to
speak
publicly
tonight.
I
think
I
hope
that
you
focus
on
what
we're
here
for
which
is
building
the
Fifth
Ward
School.
A
long
delayed
and
deferred
return
of
a
neighborhood
school
and
I
want
to
speak
as
a
parent
as
well.
My
children
attend
Lincoln
Elementary.
Y
My
fifth
grader
is
about
to
graduate
from
there.
So
I've
been
there
about
nine
years
and
I
cannot
tell
you
the
value
of
a
neighborhood
school
that
we
can
walk
to
every
day.
We
live
in
a
pretty
dense
area
with
businesses
nearby.
There
is
some
congestion
during
drop
off
and
pickup,
but
there
is
no
way
I
would
give
up
my
neighborhood
school
because
of
those
minor
inconveniences.
Y
It
is
dense
with
conda
Condominiums,
as
well
as
businesses,
and
we
lived
across
the
street
from
the
school
in
a
condo
with
street
parking.
Only
we
made
it
work
because
we
loved
being
able
to
walk
our
children
to
the
school
they
play
on
the
fields
after
school.
Their
friends
are
in
the
neighborhood.
They
get
to
walk
to
and
from
school
on
their
own
I
know
that
from
fifth
grade
and
on
up
kids
are
not
going
to
be
want
to
be
picked
up
by
their
parents.
They
can
walk
to
and
from
school
by
themselves.
Y
Middle
schoolers
go
after
school
to
the
Starbucks
to
the
cafes,
that's
what
a
neighborhood
school
does.
It
becomes
a
vibrant
Center
of
life
for
the
community
and
I
think
it's,
despite
whatever
issues
we
may
want
to
deal
with.
I
think
what
we
should
focus
on
is
building
that
school
without
delay
without
further
delay.
We
need
to
have
that
school
built
on
the
timeline
that
we've
set
with
the
budget
that
we
have
set
to
the
greatest
possible
quality
and
efficiency
that
we
can
for
this
community
that
has
been
without
a
neighborhood
school
for
Generations.
Y
A
Thank
you,
I,
don't
think,
there's
anyone
else
other
than.
S
A
S
So
the
first
question
I
I
guess
I
have
is
for
Ms
Biggs
and
this
has
to
do
with
the
widening
of
Ashland
and
I.
Guess
I,
wasn't
aware
of
that?
Can
you
describe
to
me
what
the
plan
or
proposal
is
for
the
widening
of
of
Ashland
Avenue.
O
Foreign
ly,
that
is
a
conceptual
plan.
It
would
need
to
be
since
it's
done
in
a
sensitive
way
in
order
to
minimize
tree
impacts.
But
there
are
some
serious
concerns
about
irrelevant
concerns
not
irrelevant.
They
are
relevant
concerns
about,
as
parents
are
directed
to
that
side
of
the
school
to
do
drop
off.
Not
all
parents
pull
off
into
the
pull-off
Lane.
There's
concerns
that
it
will.
O
People
will
be
just
stopping
or
double
parking
in
order
to
be
able
to
get
their
children
out
quickly
and
into
the
safe
Zone
closest
to
the
door
that
there
are
not
going
to
be
willing
to
be
patient
and
because
that
the
traffic
concerns
that
may
develop
from
that
from
the
continual
blocking
of
the
street.
That
will
impede
the
ability
of
drop
off
to
occur.
Okay.
O
S
O
S
You
all
right,
so
let
me
rephrase
my
question
then,
on
the
east
side
is
where
the
residents
are
the
east
side
of
Ashland
correct?
Yes,
okay,
so
if
you
widen
it
towards
the
east
side,
what
you
would
be
taking
some
of
the
parkway
away?
Yes,
I
mean
how
much
of
the
parkway
would
you
be
taking
away
if
you
widen
it
to
the
east
side,.
O
Typically,
there's
a
certain
width
and
I
apologize
for
not
having
this
information
at
my
fingertips,
but
Ashland,
depending
on
where
you're
located
I
believe
is
between
20
is
around
24
feet
wide
and
the
goal
would
be
to
widen
it
to
a
place
where
you
would
be
able
to
essentially
have
two-way
traffic
with
people
pulling
off
and
not
blocking
things.
And
so
that
is
the.
O
A
S
S
Each
individual
speaker
for
a
a
kinch
of
the
hearing,
so
I
can
more
fully.
S
Actual
right,
I
said
in
the
letter,
I
reserve
the
right
and
now
I'm
I'm
asking
if
you
need
me
to
write
that
on
a
piece
of
paper,
I
I
will
but
I
made
it
clear
in
the
letter
that
I
was
reserving
the
right
and
to
be
clear,
the
the
codes
provide
special
and
maybe
counsel,
can
help
us
out
here.
S
The
code
provides
special
rights
for
landowners
who
are
impacted
by
the
the
project,
and
the
two
rights
that
are
provides
are
the
right
to
ask
questions
of
people
who
presented
and
also
to
present
their
own
testimony.
Now
it's
impossible
to
do
both
of
those
things
in
in
three
minutes,
I
mean
that
would.
A
A
If
you're,
if
you're
asking
for
a
continuance,
then
I
I
will
I
will
I
will
gladly
put
a
continuance
before
the
board
for
a
specific
purpose,
which
is
our,
which
is
our
rules.
S
Okay,
well
I'd
like
to
continue
with
my
with
my
questioning
of
the
witnesses
tonight
and
and
I
and
I.
Don't
think
that
I'm
limited
to
three
minutes
I
think
there
will
be
a
due
process
violation
if
you
limited
me
to
three
minutes
when
the
code
specifically
gives
me
the
right
to
to
do
these
things.
I'm.
Z
Thank
you,
chair
Rogers,
Alexander,
ruggie,
Deputy,
City,
attorney,
Council
I.
Think
the
chair
is
not
limiting
you
to
three
minutes
in
this
instance,
I
think
what
what
I
think
he's
trying
to
attempt
to
say
is
that
we
need
to
ensure
that
your
cross-examination
or
your
testimony
here
provided
goes
towards
the
conditions
that
the
land
use
is
going
to
consider.
Z
So,
if,
if
the
widening
of
the
road,
that's
not
really
a
major
variance,
that's
being
requested
at
this
time,
it's
a
conceptual
project
and
Miss
Biggs
is
the
city
engineer
for
the
City
of
Evanston,
so
she
she's
not
involved
with
the
District
65
it
is.
She
didn't
present
as
a
witness
for
the
major
variation.
So
if
we
can
just
keep
that
testimony
and
the
cross-examination
to
the
consideration
of
the
land
use,
I,
think
that
would
help
this
move
along.
S
S
All
right,
thank
you
and
I
apologize
if
I
was
asking
the
things
that
were
out
of
here
I
what
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
ask
somebody
from
planning
staff
and
I
and
I,
and
if
hopefully,
you
all
have
my
my
letter
that
was
submitted
in
the
packet
if
anybody
needs
it,
there's
an
extra
copy,
but
I
like
to
focus
now
on
the
on
the
far
variation
and
the
far
and
the
open
space
district
is
0.15.
Is
that
correct?
S
Okay
and
the
variation
is
requested
to
to
bring
that
up
to
0.65.
D
To
my
knowledge,
there
hasn't
been
changes
where
I
think
that's.
It's
always
been
the
case
where
an
applicant
can
request
a
variance
before.
S
Including
far
including
it,
okay,
all
right
in
in
that
case,
if
I
can
ask
you
in
the
last
10
years
how
many
far
variances
have
been
allowed
for
projects
in
the
open
space,
District.
D
I
would
have
to
look
that
information
up
to
go
back
10
years
worth
of
projects.
I,
don't
know
that
they
are
to
my
more
recent
knowledge.
I,
don't
know
that
there
have
been
any.
But
since
you
you
are
requesting
information,
that's
going
back
10
years.
I
would
need
to
do.
S
So
I
guess:
can
you
think
of
any
project
where
a
variation
has
been
an
far
variation
has
been
allowed
in
the
open
space
District.
S
S
S
In
terms
of
the
Michael
from
Kola,
can
I
ask
you
a
couple
of
questions
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
the
drop-off
Zone,
especially
on
Ashland?
First
of
all,
in
terms
of
the
width
of
the
streets,
I
believe
Ashland
was
listed
as
a
24
foot
wide
Street
and
what's
the
what
is
that
that's
classification
as
a
neighborhood
street
or
what's
the
what's
the
name
given
a
local
Street
and
how
wide
is
Simpson.
S
Okay,
so
Simpson
is
40
foot
wide
and
there's
there's
two-way,
two
lanes
of
traffic
or
one
lane
going
each
way
is
that
right,
correct,
okay,
but
Ashland
is
an
even
smaller
Street
24
foot
wide
correct.
L
S
S
L
We
didn't
get
down
to
that
actual
number
of
people
who
would
use
that
we
have
some
numbers
that
will
be
traveling
down
Ashland,
but
a
couple
of
things
that
I
did
not
testify
is
we're
proposing
to
make
Ashland
one-way
southbound
during
the
pickup
and
drop-off
period.
That's
in
the
traffic
study
I
didn't
bring
it
up
last
time
and
I
apologize.
You
find
this
at
many
schools
that
they
provide
a
one-way
circulation
during
the
pickup
and
drop-off
time.
S
Okay,
and
so
when
you
get
to
Foster,
then
you
you
turn
on
Foster.
That's
how
that's
how
you
would
exit
if
you
were,
if
you
dropped
off
your
your
child,
exactly
okay
and
I
believe
these.
They
just
testify
that
there
was
a
concern
that
Ashland
isn't
wide
enough
to
accommodate
everything
that
you're
trying
to
do
with
the
drop-off
Zone.
Do
you
agree
with
that?
I.
L
Disagree:
what
staff
has
requested
is
that
there's
a
concern
that
south
of
the
access
drive
to
the
parking
lot
so
just
south
of
the
school
they're
concerned
that
parents
may
stop
and
drop
off
on
that
on
the
west
side
of
the
school.
So
what
they
asked
is
that
another
lay-by
lane
or
the
widening
of
the
road
be
done
so
that
if
someone
does
drop
off
on
Ashland
south
of
that
drive,
they're
not
blocking
traffic.
So
what
they
want
is
what
I
understand
is
requested.
L
S
S
L
As
we
indicated,
the
parents
are
going
to
park
throughout
the
neighborhood
and
drop
their
kids
off
or
either
walk
them
to
we're
not
going
to
have
a
dedicated
line
of
traffic,
that's
coming
in,
like
they
do
at
most
schools.
If
you
want
to
drop
off
and
pick
up
your
child
you're,
going
to
either
Park
and
walk
them
to
school
or
you're,
going
to
find
a
parking
space
and
your
child
is
going
to
walk
to
you.
S
L
So
you
can
park
there
and
get
out
of
your
car
to
get
your
child.
So
what
we're
doing
is
we
understand
that
additional
parking
needs
to
be
provided
around
the
school,
so
we're
providing
some
along
our
Frontage
and.
T
L
We're
looking
at
about
a
hundred
parents
picking
up
and
dropping
off,
okay
they're
going
to
be
throughout
the
neighborhood
they're,
not
all
going
to
be
on
Ashland,
okay,
maybe
30
percent
of
them
may
Park
on
Ashland,
maybe
five
percent.
What
we
did
is
we
looked
at
the
overall
neighborhood
to
see
how
much
parking
is
in
the
neighborhood.
There's
sufficient
parking
in
the
neighborhood
to
accommodate
the
pickup
and
drop
off.
S
A
S
Picking
everybody,
if
I
do
this
I'll
do
a
little
bit
better.
So
when
you
were
answering
the
question
of
Mr
nalchuk,
you
were
talking
about
that.
We
shouldn't
really
consider
this
an
open
space,
because
it's
owned
by
the
district
and
the
district
could
use
it
for
something
else
right.
That's.
X
S
Right,
but
without
What
What
In,
don't
you
look
at
what
you
can
do
as
of
right
to
measure
what
what
an
alternative
use
might
be.
X
Absolutely,
but
we
also
look
at
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
transit
developments,
the
trends
of
development
for
modern
school
buildings
or
public
buildings
as
part
of
our
consideration
and
the
needs
of
a
community
in
this
situation
for
a
neighborhood
school
so
having
a
multi-story,
modern
School
building
is
Not
Unusual.
S
So
if
I
want
to
com,
if
I
want
to
figure
out
okay,
what
new
school
has
been
built
in
Evanston,
that's
comparable
to
this
school
in
terms
of
heightened
far
and
see
what
the
impact
has
had
on
neighboring
properties
which
which
school
would
you
suggest
that
I
focus
on
which
new
school
newly
built
school
should
I
focus
on
in
Evanston.
X
X
S
X
I'm
highly
fond
of
Evanston
and
think
it's
one
of
the
best
Suburban
communities.
For
many
reasons-
and
you
know
you
look
at
the
mature
communities
of
River
Forest
Oak,
Park,
Western
Springs,
no
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
these
mature
communities
just
talk
about
24
feet.
I
mean
the
Emerson
School
in
Park.
Ridge
is
a
is
a
middle
school
that
was
built
about
15
years
ago
and
no
negative
impact,
absolutely
a
positive
impact
on
residential
property
values,
and
that
just
comes
to
my
mind,
but
I
mean
it's
such
an
unusual
situation.
X
S
S
All
right,
that's
all
I,
have
in
terms
of
of
questions.
If
I
could
then
present,
Ms
Ben
I
as
a
as
a
witness,
yes
Julie,
come
on
up
and
why
don't
you
take
the
microphone
and
if
I
could
just
hand
out
one
additional
exhibit.
A
Present
them
to
me
and
then
I'll
take
them
so
I'm
receiving
a
series
of
a
couple
of
photos.
Labeled
field
is
always
busy
with
people
of
neighborhood
and
so
does
tennis
courts.
People
wait
five
become
available.
A
These
two
pictures
were
they
taken.
Who
took
these
pictures
I.
AB
Took
it
from
my
I
took
it
from
my
porch
instruments
and
when
did
you
take
these
pictures?
I
took
it
sometimes
ago,
but
it
is
always
like
that.
Okay,.
A
AB
AB
S
Looks
like
the
trees
are
able
to
me
so
I
think
it
was
fairly
close.
So
is
benign,
but
not
a
question
answer.
I
know
you
have
a
lot
to
say,
but
I
want
to
kind
of
break
it
up
a
little
bit.
Okay.
So,
first
of
all,
can
you
tell
us
where
what's
your
address.
S
Right
and
if
we,
if
we
take
a
look
at
the
site
development
plan,
that's
up
there,
can
you
try
to
identify
your
house?
Okay,.
AB
AB
S
And
when
you're
purchased
it
in
2004
was
the
Foster
field
like
it
is
today.
AB
S
Refer
to
the
the
photos
that
you
you
took
the
the
top
photo.
You
said
that
was
taken
from
your
porch.
Yes,
so
that's
looking
across
Ashland
to
Foster
field,
correct
right-
and
this
may
be
obvious,
but
can
you
describe
your
view
of
foster
field.
AB
And
the
bottom
one
is
just
again
from
my
Porsche
looking
at
the
tennis
courts
and
I
meant
by
providing
this
that
this
open
space,
this
field
served
the
community
really
good
and
they
come
and
play
and
they
enjoy
and
I
have
talked
with
them,
and
the
tennis
court
is
always
busy
people
line
up.
So
how.
S
Does
it
affect
your
quality,
open
space
very.
AB
Good,
it
is
the
nice
view,
it's
a
grass,
especially
when
the
city
cut
it.
It's
such
a
nice
breeze
coming,
and
that
is
one
I
just
want
to
say
at
this
point
it's
the
biggest
thing
that
I
am
able
to
rent,
and
so
one
of
my
tenants
who
doesn't
have
a
car
and
go
around
and
walk
when
he
saw
the
sign.
He
just
told
me,
other
people
haven't
seen
it
I'm
going
to
move
out.
He
just
told
me
like
that.
S
AB
Am
architect
I
have
practiced
it
for
40
years.
I
recently
got
that
you
know
retired
and
looking
forward
to
some
peace
and
quiet
and
the
40
years
I
practiced
I
am
66.
Now
is
minus.
My
education
I
have
a
master's
degree
in
architecture,
two
of
them
from
University
of
Illinois
in
Urbana,
Champaign
and
I'm.
Very
familiar
with
all
these
things.
I
have
been
to
many
zoning
appeal
and
meeting
in
the
city
of
Chicago,
mostly
and
the
suburb
too,
and
this
is
very
unfair
to
the
residents
on
Ashland.
I
S
AB
S
And
you
know
there
were
some
comments
about
what
we're
here
for
tonight
and
I.
Think
what
we're
here
for
tonight
is
determine
whether
or
not
the
proposed
variations
meet
the
standards,
and
there
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
the
standards
that
are
part
of
the
code.
So
I'd
like
to
ask
you
about
a
couple
of
the
standards
and
whether
you
believe
that
the
the
project
is
proposed
meets
the
standards
standard.
S
One
under
the
code
for
variations
or
major
variations
is
that
the
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
AB
On
the
UC
test,
I
am
sorry
on
the
UC
test,
because
my
second
and
third
fellow
Renton
become
useless.
They
told
me-
and
it's
still,
the
other
tenant
haven't
heard
it
I.
My
mortgage
is
high,
but
I
am
afforded
it
based
on
the
tenancy
based
on
rent,
which,
especially
with
the
retirement,
is
my
only
income.
I
lose
this
building,
because
I
won't
be
able
to
pay
it
after
20
years,
which
is
my
sweat
and
blood
and
I
know
this
and
I
am
sure.
AB
I
may
put
up
with
all
the
hardship
on
the
first
floor,
because
my
life
has
been
very
hard,
but
my
tenant
doesn't
have
to
put
up
with
this
and
enjoyment,
of
course,
and
I
know
that
what
a
appraiser
said,
but
I
have
been
appealing
for
the
tax
reduction.
I
have
an
appraiser
who
is
very
familiar
with
my
building,
and
he
told
me
what
a
stupid
question
it
is
common
sense.
You
have
to
know
that
the
value
of
your
person,
you're
building
old
and
all
these
things
the
value
come
as
a
result
of
a
view.
AB
K
S
Right,
let
me
ask
you:
there
was
a
talk
earlier
about
how
much
Community
engagement
there
was.
Did
anybody
from
District
65
ever
come
and
knock
on
your
door
and
introduce
themselves
and
and
ask
you
what
your
thoughts
or
opinions
or
no.
AB
AB
You
people
there
were
spitting
the
500
feet
for
what,
because
you
know
our
life
is
affected
in
a
people
of
a
500
feet
around
I,
measured
from
the
property
of
the
school
to
the
property
of
the
bar.
It
is
250
feet
and
I
want
to
say
about
the
personal
experience
I
passed
by
the
bar,
and
there
are
a
bunch
of
the
wrong
people
sitting,
a
and
obviously
being
architect,
I
look
at
inside
and
they
took
their
tongue
out.
How
do
you
allow
that
34
year
and
I
felt
filthy
for
a
week?
AB
How
do
you
allow
a
13
years
old
girl,
14
years
old,
girl,
emotional,
more
emotional,
even
than
me?
How
can
he?
How
can
she
put
off
with
such
a
scene,
is
just
across
from
the
soul
food?
And
that
is
going
to
be
a
big
gathering
for
the
student
and
also
the
corner
of
a
Simpson
and
Ashland
and
from
first
velor?
Not
only
they
see
it
but
better
from
the
Upper
Floor
I
provided
the
picture
at
eight
o'clock,
7
30
to
8
30.
AB
S
On
for
the
from
the
bar
issue
and
ask
you
another
question:
this
focus
is
I'm
sorry,
this
focuses
on
standard
seven,
which
requires
that
the
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulations
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
before
the
land
use.
Commission
issues,
its
decisional
recommendation
to
the
city
council
regarding
said
variation
as
an
architect.
Do
you
think
there
is
a
way
to
build
this
school
that
had
less
impact
upon
you
and
your
neighbors
on
Ashley.
AB
I
want
to
say
something
very
important
here:
all
the
tenants
who
come
and
I'll
show
them
the
place.
The
first
thing
they
ask
is
that
is
that
a
school
referring
to
Philly
would
Jordan
I
say
no,
some
of
them
insist
how
come
not.
That
means
it
my
own
opinion
and
everybody
Jordan
during
the
past
20
years,
I
heard
so
much
about
that.
It
is
a
bad
building,
some
people
say
renovated.
Some
people
say
demolish
it
and
build
it.
AB
S
Guess
my
question
is
this:
if
this
particular
school,
can
you
think
of
a
way
that
if
they
were
going
to
build
this
school
or
this
type
of
school,
how
it
could
be
built
with
with
less
impact?
For
example,
if
there
was
a
larger
setback
on
if
the
school
was
set
back
further
on
Ashland,
say
exactly
yeah
I
know
that
I
know
minimizing
minimize.
AB
The
first
suggestion
is
that
the
community
center
to
be
renovated
or
demolished
an
increase
that
become
a
school.
Everything
has
stayed
the
same
way
and
you
don't
need
to
pay
another
one
million
dollar
to
the
estate
because
of
the
removal
of
the
tennis
court,
and
then
everybody
enjoy
open
space.
Things
will
be
fair
to
everybody,
but
if
that
cannot
be
done
again
as
an
architect,
I
suggest
why
L
shape
be
fair
to
everybody.
AB
May
make
it
t-shape
tea
and
the
top
of
the
tea
to
be
by
the
Simpson
and
the
rest
of
the
tea
to
be
not
in
the
middle.
It
can
be
closer
to
the
Ashland,
but
the
field
divide
to
two
section:
a
smaller
one
for
the
smaller
children
toward
the
Ashland
and
the
bigger
one
for
the
bigger
like
a
k
to
two
fourth
for
the
smaller
the
side
side
of
Ashland
and
the
bigger
one.
AB
That
way
everybody
will
have
a
light
and
and
the
parking
is
still
the
same
way,
they
still
have
an
access
to
the
bottom
of
the
tea.
I
am
sorry,
and
then
you
know
that
that
boy
itself
solve
the
light
problem
and
I.
Don't
know
how
a
square
footage
will
be
done,
but
at
least
we
get
light
and
then
about
the
parking.
AB
What
I
heard
is
that
the
park
way
toward
the
vertices
on
the
west
side
will
be
eliminated
and
it
comes
converts
to
the
just
the
Dropout
and
then
parking
rest
of
the
time,
because
it's
a
20
years,
I
am
driving
and
I
have
a
very
hard
time.
Passing
our
side
is
a
parking,
but
I
have
very
hard
time.
Passing
two
car
passed
by
each
other,
I
I,
always
go
after
a
couple
of
times.
I
was
brushing
against
other
car
I
go
to
the
parking
Lane
on
my
side.
Let
the
opposite
side
pass
by.
AB
So
the
street
has
to
be
widened
and
please
don't
take
two
Parkway
away.
You
are
studying
this
traffic,
don't
take
because
the
tree
and
Parkway
beautify
you
know.
Otherwise
it
looks
like
the
what
is
it
a
State
Street
in
Chicago?
If
you
take
both
of
them
and
it
look
at
trees
and
Parkway
makes
cities
beautiful,
they
clean
the
air,
they
restrict
the
noise
one
side
to
be,
and,
and
one
of
the
best
thing
is
that
and
I.
Don't
know
why
nobody
care
about
that.
AB
The
whole
thing
is
School
setback,
the
property
line,
setback
and
the
student
divided,
and
we
keep
our
Parkway
and
the
other
side.
You
know
they
can
eliminate
the
Parkway
and
then
seven
feet
is
a
standard,
speaking
architecture
learning
for
the
parking,
the
rapper
whatever
and
then
the
rest
to
be
added
to
the
street
that
we
don't
have
an
accident
Julie.
S
AB
And
it
is
very
effective,
Ashland
I
ask
that
the
commission
asked
architect
to
first
of
all
a
study.
You
know
somebody
told
me:
oh,
they
have
done
so
much
work.
No,
this
is
a
schematic
design.
It
is
exactly
for
looking
to
all
these
things.
So
if
some
architectural
company
go
beyond
that
and
do
detail
and
stuff
like
that,
okay,
that
that
is
what
they
want
to
do,
but
the
procedure
and
I
have
done
it
for
the
200th
project.
I
have
done.
AB
We
go
with
the
piece
of
a
paper
to
the
zoning
officer,
although
we
study-
and
we
know
all
the
rule,
but
to
double
check.
And
then
you
know
we
ask
for
everything
for
far
for
the
land
coverage,
which
is
different
than
far
the
height
restriction,
parking,
driveway
Landscaping
things
like
that,
and
we
take
it
from
there.
So
this
is
a
larger
project,
but
it
is
at
the
schematic
designer
stage.
AB
AB
But
what
I'm
saying
I
just
want
to
work
bottom
line
is
that
this
work
is
a
schematic
design.
Nobody
have
to
look
at
it
as
oh,
my
my
God,
so
much
work
is
done.
Everybody
should
have
been
ready
for
this.
This
is
the
openness
space
and
it
is
not
fair
to
be
like
this.
It's
not
fair
things
is
very
unfair
toward
the
Ashland.
My
building
is
35
feet
from
the
floor
to
the
Ridge,
and
it
owes
completely
to
the.
S
Me
Tell,
you
can
guarantee
that
we
do
appraisal
now
and
we
build
the
school.
And
then
we
see
what
your
property
values
are.
AB
That's
the
smallest
problem:
I,
don't
want
to
sell
my
property,
so
it
is
go
down
that
is
painful,
but
I
want
to
I
am
going
to
leave
there
until
I
die.
My
problem
is
that
the
height
of
the
what
is
it
the
building?
Okay,
that
is
my
main
and
then
traffic
on
an
Ashland-
has
to
be
done
because
right
now,
I
am
suffering
and
it's
going
to
be
more
and
we
you
and
you
know.
S
A
I
I
do
have
a
question.
Miss
benay,
you
seem
to
be
an
architect.
You
seem
to
be
educated,
Mr
Kinsley,
you
seem
to
be
educated
in
land
use
issues.
We've
heard
talks
about
views
does.
Does
zoning
guarantee
of
you.
A
S
AB
Rogers
I
want
to
say
something:
I
also
looked
at
the
building
at
16
next
to
the
1608
Simpson,
and
that
is
where
all
the
bosses
Park
and
there
is
a
little
shop
to
repair.
One
of
my
kalayan
couple
of
months
ago,
regardless
of
this
school,
told
me
what
a
valuable
piece
of
a
property
to
be
used
like
that
it
is
owned
by
District
65
and
there
are
lots
of
property
west
of
Evanston
or
even
in
a
Skokie
which
are
much
less
valuable.
AB
A
Tonight,
thank
you.
Mr
Kinsley,
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
I,
think
I've
gotten
everybody
from
the
public
who
wish
to
speak
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
applicant
if
they
would
like
to
come
forward,
make
any
rebuttal
to
anything
they've
heard
from
the
neighborhood
anything
they'd
like
to
say
in
a
closing
statement:
Mr
Summers
I
see
you
raising
your
hand
but
I'd
like
to
move
along
unless
it's
something
very
important.
H
The
the
one
thing
I
would
like
to
say
on
behalf
of
District
65.
We
appreciate
the
the
opportunity
to
present
before
the
the
the
commission
and
we've
also
appreciated
the
collaboration
that
we've
that
we've
enjoyed
with
the
City
of
Evanston
staff
and
the
the
goal,
as
we've
stated
before
of
this
School,
is
to
to
provide
a
neighborhood
school
to
one
one,
ward,.
AA
H
A
E
A
You
before
I
ask
Commissioners
feelings:
this
is
everybody:
okay,
I
saw
a
couple
of
people,
get
up
and
use.
The
restroom
then
stretch
their
legs
and
everything
is
everybody.
Okay,.
A
Then
I'll
ask
Commissioners
General
feelings
on
the
The
Proposal
and
also
point
to.
We
have
quite
a
list
of
Department
recommendations.
There
are
19
listed
in
the
staff
memo
that
was
presented
to
us
on
page
10
and
11
of
the
document.
Commissioner
Hallock
you've
turned
on
your
light.
F
This
is
to
give
us
and
give
our
comments.
Yes,
yeah
starting
off
this
commission
deals
with
change
all
the
time.
That's
what
we
deal
with
and
I
I
think
I
think
what
we,
what
we
do,
and
this
addresses
the
first
standard,
what
we,
what
we
try
to
do
is
look
at
look
at
the
issue
and
look
at
the
the
whole
community
that
it's
in
and
how
much?
What
are
the
positive
effects
and
what
are
the?
What?
F
What
are
the
negative
effects
and
I
think
that
in
and
hopefully
rule
on
the
on
the
the
majority
of
the
majority
is
positive,
then
that's
how
we
that's
that's
how
we
give
our
opinion,
at
least
that's
what
I
do
in
this
case.
I
think
I
think
there
may
be
residents
that
have
issues
with
this
project,
but
I
think
the
overarching
issue
is
providing
a
neighborhood
school
and
that's
that
Point's
been
made
clearly
clear
by
several
people.
F
I
should
also
say
that
I
know
I
I'm
speakings,
please.
The
ACT
should
also
say
that
I
grew
up
right
across
the
street.
From
a
five-story
full-block
k
through
12
school.
F
There
were
no
problems.
There
were
no
issues
of
of
value
of
the
community,
so
I
I,
that's
again
where
I,
where
I
come
from,
my
my
child
went
to
a
school
and
an
urban
school
and
there
was
no.
There
was
no
drop
off.
There
was
no
parking
lot.
We
we
parked
our
cars
walked
to
the
school
picked
up.
Our
kids
walked
back
to
our
cars.
I
know
how
that
works,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
testimony
rang
rang
true
for
me.
F
I
do
think
that
you
know
this
is
schematic
design.
I,
understand
that
and
one
of
the
one
of
our
our
other
Commissioners
mentioned
the
possibility
of
flipping
flipping
the
L
so
that
the
the
open
space
is
on
Ashland.
F
Maybe
that's
an
option.
I
can
I
see
a
negative
to
that,
which
is
that,
instead
of
isolating
the
playground
where
all
the
kids
are
going
to
be
out
and
not
so
visible
to
passers-by,
it
exposes
the
kids
and
so
from
a
safety
standpoint.
I'm
not
sure,
that's
a
good
idea,
although
it
would
help
the
the
resident
who
who
just
spoke
I
think
there
are
things
that
we
should
add
to
the
recommendations.
I
think
this.
The
testimony
on
artificial
turf
was
new
to
me.
F
I
think
that,
based
on
that
side,
so
that
sounds
like
a
much
much
better
idea:
Whiting
Ashland,
although
the
plans
aren't
final
that
seems
like
that,
should
be
taken
into
consideration
too
and
just
the
issue
of
parking.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
parking
and
I
think
maybe
that
deserves
another
look
before
this
goes
to
city
council,
oh
and
one
more
thing,
the
I
thought
it
was
a
good
idea
to
tie
the
Dewey
access
road
to
the
family,
focused
parking.
A
G
I'll,
let
go
some
of
the
commissioner
Helix
issues.
I
will
say,
although
this
is
open
space
zoning
you
know,
the
the
owner
does
have
a
right
to
ask
for
variances.
The
city
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
grant
them,
but
they
have
that
right,
and
it
is
unfortunate
for
Neighbors
who
feel
they
will
lose
their
view
completely.
G
The
changes
that
have
to
happen
here
are
are
substantial.
In
order
for
the
school
to
be
built,
I
wish
that
we're
at
the
two
schools
going
together
I
do
feel
that
drives
the
size
and
the
far
a
bit,
but
you'd
probably
need
some
variation
in
any
event.
To
make
this
happen,
I
do
feel
if
you
could
get
a
setback
at
the
third
floor
that
overlooks
Simpson,
that
that
would
really
help
that
elevation
and
relieve
it
a
little
bit
from
a
visual
standpoint.
G
I
would
also
encourage
looking
at
getting
a
bit
more
of
a
setback
on
Ashland,
just
so
that
you're
not
up
quite
to
the
property
line.
I
do
think
that
would
be
an
important
gesture
to
the
community.
I'm
sure
the
school
is
needed.
I
think
this
is
a
a
great
project,
but
it's
also
the
rest
of
the
community
that
has
to
deal
with
this
and
I
think
you
know
making
some
concessions,
and
some
adjustments
are
important
at
this
stage
to
make
it
work.
G
The
biggest
issue
I
have
is
the
usual
thing.
It's
making
sure
the
details
of
storm
water
management
are
worked
out
and
the
details
on
traffic
control
and
I
realize
you're
at
a
stage
where
you
might
not
necessarily
have
all
those
details,
but
there
is
going
to
be
bad
traffic
at
times
and
it
will
drive
the
neighbors
crazy
and
it
will
have
an
impact
on
businesses
and
Residences
I.
G
Don't
know
that
there's
any
way
around
that
to
make
it
perfect,
but
I
think
looking
a
little
bit
more
at
how
you
are
going
to
coordinate
the
pickups
and
the
drop-offs
is
really
important
and
I
do
worry
about
approving
something
when
we
don't
have
those
details.
So
we
don't
exactly
know
how
it's
going
to
work
at
this
stage.
So.
G
AC
I'm
in
favor
of
the
project,
we
see
a
lot
of
cases
before
this
Commission
of
people
trying
to
you
know,
promote
projects
for
a
certain
goal
and
trying
to
push
the
bounds
of
the
zoning
rules
to
the
largest
extent
possible
for
their
own
interests.
This
is
a
case
where
we
have
a
goal
of
the
school
that's
being
fit
into
the
bounds
of
the
zoning
to
the
best
extent
possible.
There
is
no
more
logical
location
for
the
for
the
school.
There
isn't
a
better
configuration.
I
think
the
layout
is
actually
quite
good.
AC
It
creates
some
kind
of
like
a
more
communal
like
home
space,
that's
just
for
the
kids
and
just
for
that
school
I
think
that's
a
lot
better
than
exposing
it
to
the
outside
and
then
just
a
final
comment
and
I
even
feel
silly,
even
commenting
on
the
the
toxicity
of
the
turf,
because
I'm
not
even
convinced
that
that's
actually
even
in
our
scope
but
I,
think
it's
common
for
people
to
get
concerned
when
they
hear
the
words,
toxins
and
things.
AC
But
if
you
follow
the
science
on
that,
you
know,
lots
of
things
are
toxic
in
our
environment
and
if
you-
and
if
you
follow
advice
from
Institutes
of
Public
Health
the
different
state
department,
so
they
will
all
tell
you
that
you
know
that
the
turf,
the
the
toxins
and
turf
are
really
not
that
of
a
concern,
but
not
even
our
scope.
In
my
opinion,
thank.
N
I
I'll,
probably
repeat
some
of
the
awards
from
my
colleagues:
yes
for
the
school
it's
needed,
and
this
property
is
one
of
the
locations
that
are
good
for
this
school.
I.
Think
that
the
program
for
the
school
is
too
large,
and
this
made
the
architect
struggle
with
the
location.
K
I
The
things
that
I
personally,
let's
call
it
don't
like
is
the
corridors
that
are
created
along
the
two
streets,
mainly
on
Simpson.
It's
a
large
building,
it's
a
long
building,
and
it
is
on
the
south
side
of
all
the
businesses
that
are
on
the
other
side
of
the
of
the
street.
This.
This
creates
a
really
really
difficult
situation
for
me
and
my
vote
on
this
on
this
project,
the
other
things
that
are
still
unknown.
I
As
many
of
the
neighbors
noted,
there
are
many
unknowns
about
the
future
traffic
about
the
parking
and
they
are
not
decided
at
this
moment
of
design.
I
know
it's
himatic
design
it
cannot.
We
cannot
expect
that
everything
will
be
resolved
with
the
schematic
design,
but
at
least
the
main
principle.
Things
of
design
should
be
clear
with
this
presentation
and
I'm
not
sure
that
I
can
support
unknown,
not
very
well
thought
project
to
go
forward
for
the
city
council.
AD
I
appreciate
all
the
commentary
and
all
the
the
public
input
I
in
looking
at
our
our
standards
for
approval.
I
I
don't
find
this
plan
to
meet
all
the
standards
and
I
I
know
Mr
chair
you're
going
to
go
through
this
in
a
couple
minutes,
but
I
I.
It
seems
it
in
my
interpretation
that
that
standard
four
and
standard
seven
about
the
the
Practical
difficulty
and
the
least
deviation
aren't
met
because
of
variance
one
and
two
that
are
being
requested
for
if
the
school
was
was
smaller.
If
the
height
was
lower.
AD
If
this,
then
we
wouldn't
then
in
my
opinion
it
would.
It
would
pass
the
standards,
but
I
I
just
feel
like
there's
it's
excessive,
far
excessive
height,
and
this
could
be
reworked
to
meet
all
the
standards
that
we
require
for
approval.
A
Thank
you
just
my
general
thoughts
before
we
do
go
through
the
standards.
First
off
we're
not
here
to
sit
in
Judgment
of
whether
or
not
there
should
be
a
school
in
the
Fifth,
Ward
and
I
want
to
make
that
perfectly
clear.
We're
evaluating
this
particular
plan
that
is
presented
to
us
and
not
making
a
a
judgment,
call
on
whether
a
school
should
exist
or
not.
It's
it's.
This
particular
proposal
where
I
feel
a
little
uncomfortable
with
this
is
that
we
are
still
very
theoretical.
With
a
lot
of
our
our
material.
K
A
I,
don't
expect
us
to
be
able
to
have
solid
answers
on
everything.
Obviously,
whenever
you
build
something
you
impact
traffic,
you
impact
the
neighborhood
and
and
that's
to
be
expected.
A
You
know
when
we
talk
about
standard
number.
One
substantial
adverse
impact
I
mean
substantial,
isn't
there
for
a
reason,
because
everything
does
have
an
impact,
but
in
looking
through
so
many
of
the
conditions
that
that
staff
is
recommending
to
us
at
this
particular
Point.
These
are
lots
of
things
that
that
we
like
to
sort
of
have
already
in
line
and
in
place
before
something
comes
to
us,
because
we're
we're
putting
a
lot
of
conditions
in
that
once
it
leaves
here.
A
We
have
no
say
over
any
longer,
and
so
it
really
becomes.
We
sort
of
we
sort
of
kick
it
to
planning
and
development
in
city
council
and
hope
that
they've
heard
what's
been
discussed
in
this
particular
room
and
that
they
actually
look
at
the
conditions
that
we've
placed
and
put
them
on
there,
because
I
think
some
of
the
conditions
are
very
substantial.
A
I
mean
I
I've
parked
in
this
neighborhood
for
many
years,
not
regularly,
but
I
go
up
on
a
I
used
to
go
up
on
a
fairly
regular
occasion,
because
one
of
my
dog's
doctors
was
on
Simpson
and
I
do
know
how
difficult
it
could
be
to
find
parking,
sometimes
along
Simpson
10
30
11
o'clock
in
the
day,
which
is
outside
of
school
drop-off
times
I'm
aware.
A
So
that's
where
I'm
kind
of
struggling
most
with
this
is
is
really
that
there
are
things
that
we're
saying.
Oh
we'll
look
at
this
from
three
months
or
in
six
months,
but
we're
being
asked
to
make
a
decision
on
it
today
and
that's
where
I
feel
a
little
uncomfortable.
I
know,
commissioner
halek
is
going
to
say
something
to.
F
Me
because
I
always
have
a
comment
after
you
make
a
comment:
I
I
guess.
My
question
is
to
me:
it
seems
like
we've
done
this
before
we.
If,
if
generally
we're
in
favor
of
the
project,
we
we
can
recommend
it
with
conditions,
if
we
don't
recommend
the
project,
that's
a
totally
different
thing.
That's
saying
NYX
right,
so
I
think
your
your
comment
is
is
correct,
especially
regarding
traffic
and
and
what
to
do
about
Ashland
and
parking
and
those
sorts
of
things.
I.
F
Think
to
me
that
is
especially
vague,
but
I
think
that
the
process
that
Evanston
has,
which
is
that
well,
there's
Dapper,
there's
four
four
stages:
there's
Dapper,
there's
us
there's
planning
and
development,
and
then
final
city
council,
so
I
think
that
each
group,
by
recommending
conditions,
should
tell
the
applicant
that
they
should
look
at
those
conditions:
Before
The,
Next
Step,
so
that
that's
just
the
way
I
feel
about
our
you
know:
approval
or
not
I.
A
Agree
I
agree
with
that.
Like
I
said,
though,
you
know
for
something
lots
of
times
we
do
move
things
along.
This
is
a
major
project
in
comparison
to
some
of
the
other
things
that
we
have
seen
that
are
a
little
more
on
the
schematic
side.
I
mean
a
building.
Downtown.
Has
an
impact,
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
it
doesn't
impact
an
immediate
neighborhood
in
the
same
way
that
something
like
this
will
I
mean
the
streets
downtown
are
designed
for
more
traffic,
the
the
that
sort
of
stuff.
A
So
so
that's
where
I
feel
a
little
uncomfortable,
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
going
to
argue
it
with
you
that
I'm,
you
know
one
way
or
the
other
I'm
just
saying
that
I
like
to
see
some
of
this
stuff,
a
little
more
nailed
down
and
and
so
I
think
that
as
we
move
through
the
recommendation,
some
of
this
is
before
it
goes
to
pnd.
A
I
would
like
to
see
some
of
these
answered
if
possible,
I'm
looking
at
staff
who's
staring
blankly
back
at
me,
so
that
we
know
that
some
of
these
concerns
are
going
to
be
addressed
and
heard
and
I
realize.
Staff
has
only
so
much
that
they
can
do
when
it
comes
to
our
elected
officials
as
well.
A
A
Can
we
take
just
a
moment
and
look
through
the
department
recommendation
of
conditions,
because
that
will
that
will
guide
some
of
the
standards?
Excuse
me,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
19
stand
or
19
conditions
that
have
been
recommended.
I've
heard
discussion
as
to
a
couple
other
things
that
we
may
want
to
look
at
number.
One
provide
a
final
landscape
plan
prior
to
city
council,
provide
a
tree.
Removal
replacement
plan
prior
to
city
council,
provide
a
waste
removal
plan
prior
to
city
council.
A
A
construction
management
plan
is
required
for
construction.
That's
typical
on
most
of
the
projects
that
we
do,
that
are
of
a
larger
scale.
Number
five.
A
pedestrian
traffic
circulation
plan
shall
be
provided
within
six
months
of
approval
of
the
project.
This
plan
will
be
evaluated
amended
and
submitted
to
the
city
as
necessary.
I
would
actually
like
to
see
that
done
more
quickly
than
in
six
months.
I
would
like
to
see
something
done
in
three
months.
If
everyone
agrees
with
that,
I'd.
G
Also
suggest
I
don't
know
if
it
can
be
done,
but
I
think
more
more
details
would
be
helpful
before
it
goes
to
city
council
again,
I,
don't
know
what
the
timing
of
that
is
doable,
but
I
think
it
would
help
enormously
in
terms
of
just
addressing
questions
and
concerns.
A
That
also
goes
into
to
address
the
impacts
of
the
neighborhood
plan
should
include
the
following
recommendations
included
within
the
traffic
study
provided
by
kloa
confirmation
and
City
approval
of
any
proposed
street
closures
for
drop-off
pickup
times.
That
includes
I'm,
assuming
the
One
Way
South
that
we
heard
mentioned
confirmation
and
City
approval
of
any
temporary
one-way
Street
designations.
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
the
second
one:
there
use
of
crossing
guards
and
other
staff
to
direct
traffic
in
the
area
number
six,
a
robust
educational,
active
Transportation
safety
Initiative
for
students
shall
be
developed.
A
This
is
basically
designed
to
make
sure
that
we
are
keeping
children
safe,
that
they
understand
we
used
to
go
to
I,
don't
know
if
they
still
do
it
anymore,
like
a
safety,
School
sort
of
thing
where
you
sometimes
for
the
drivers.
Sometimes
you
were
The
Pedestrian
and
as
a
small
child,
you
tried
to
hit
The
Pedestrian,
not
realizing
that
that's
not
what
you
were
supposed
to
be
doing.
A
Number
seven
additional
parking
Alternatives
should
be
pursued
to
support
the
city's
carp
goals,
considering
increasing
incentives
to
further
promote
staffers
commuting
via
CTA
District
65
should
regulate
the
parking
lot
via
permit
program.
So
that
there's
some
way
to
correlate
that
to
a
Transit
program
work
with
the
city
to
utilize
additional
parking
spaces
within
the
Ecology
Center
or
Civic
Center
parking
lots,
which
are
a
little
further
out
than
the
immediate
neighborhood
parallel
parking
spaces
on
Ashland
should
be
very
short-term
parking,
allowing
residents
and
visitors
to
use
the
spaces
a
one-hour
maximum.
A
It
would
be
suggested
spaces
can
disallow
parking
During
certain
times
no
parking
7
to
9
A.M,
two
to
four
Monday
through
Friday
surrounding
Community
Implement
residential
parking
districts
is
considered,
but
if
it
is
done,
there's
a
recommendation
that
school
staff
will
not
be
granted
residential
parking
District
permits,
the
applicant
may
be
required
to
contact
at
their
own
expense
or
to
contract
with
their
own
expense,
with
a
traffic
consultant
to
study
pedestrian
or
traffic
circulation
over
time.
A
So
this
is
basically
an
extended
traffic
study
and
then
adjusting
along
the
way,
which
is
kind
of
a
repeat
of
number
five,
but
a
more
open-ended
one
shared
use
agreement
for
required
parking
for
Fleetwood
Jordan
in
the
play.
Fields
signage
must
be
required
to
designate
which
one
is
R
for
Fleetwood
Jordan
number
11
in
easement
agreement
must
be
negotiated
and
approved
by
the
city
council
for
access
to
Fleetwood
Jordan
maintenance
drive
on
the
west
side
of
the
parking
lot
number
12.
A
pedestrian
path
must
be
established
through
the
parking
lot.
13.
A
A
pickup
drop-off
area
on
the
southern
part
of
Ashland
is
added
to
mirror
the
parent
pickup
drop-off
on
the
North
dimensional
Dimension,
the
existing
right-of-way
and
widen
Ashland
to
36
foot
back
to
curb
of
back
to
curb
and
that's
something
we
heard
a
little
bit
of
testimony
about,
but
it
sounds
like
it's
very
much
out
there
without
really
any
study
being
done
to
it
or
any
plan
as
to
how
to
execute
it.
A
A
rodent
control
plan
designed
by
a
certified
operator,
especially
provided
during
and
before,
during
and
after
construction,
snow
removal
plan
required
to
be
submitted
within
six
months
of
project
approval,
snow,
being
stored
on
site
or
hauled
away.
Mechanical
equipment
is
screened
and
designed
to
minimize
noise
impacts
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood
street.
Light
replacement
required
for
all
existing
lights
affected
by
the
pickup
drop-off
areas
and
construction.
Public
refuse
containers
are
installed
per
Public
Works
standards.
A
There
has
been
some
talk
of
a
tie-in
from
Dewey
to
Family
Focus
parking,
which
I'm
just
going
to
look
at
Miss
Biggs
and
say:
is
there
any
huge
problem
with
that?
Just
shake
your
head
for
me?
Yes
or
no,
that's
a
no
shake!
A
There
also
has
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
artificial
turf
versus
natural
Turf.
The
commissioner
fotel
feels
that
that's
a
little
bit
outside
of
what
we're
able
to
address
here.
A
I,
don't
know
other
Commissioners
feelings
on
that.
If
that's
something
you
want
to
put
in,
if
you
feel
that
that
is
within
our
purview.
G
I
would
say
this
I
worked
with
a
private
school
that
was
being
built
in
the
Illinois
medical
District.
They
did
look
at
Turf,
artificial
turf
versus
grass.
They
decided
on
grass,
mostly
because
of
the
injury
issue,
with
artificial
turf,
whether
that's
in
her
purview
or
not,
not
quite
sure,
from
an
environmental
standpoint.
I
can't
make
any
comment
on
that.
I
would
suggest
that
perhaps
we're
able
to
add
a
condition
for
having
permeable
pavers
in
the
parking
area.
That
would
help
someone.
F
It
seems
to
me
that
we
can
make
a
recommendation
on
this,
not
not
from
a
technical
standpoint
but
from
a
environmental
standpoint
from
a
you
know:
Evanston
environmental
standard
standpoint
drainage,
you
know,
I,
don't
know,
I,
think
I
think
we
can.
A
Council
have
anything
you'd
like
to
add
you
don't
have
to
I'm
just
I'm
looking
at
you,
as
this
is
being
discussed,
no,
nothing.
Okay
with
that,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
seven
standards
that
we
must
feel
are
met
if
we
do
not
agree
with
one
of
the
standards,
we
cannot
vote
in
support
of
the
project.
However,
if
we
feel
that
some
of
the
conditions
that
are
included
help
meet
the
standard,
we
can
vote
in
favor
of
that
number
one.
A
The
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
This
is
probably
the
one
standard
that
we've
had
the
most
testimony
about
the
as
I
mentioned
before.
There
will
always
be
an
impact
on
any
neighborhood
property
Whenever.
There
is
development
occurring
nearby.
A
I
believe
that
if
we
put
on
the
roughly
20
two
conditions
that
are
being
sought
that
we
lessen
that
impact
and
hope
that
city,
council
and
planning
and
development
will
will
heed
those-
and
perhaps
even
have
the
applicant-
have
answers
to
some
of
those
questions
before
it
appears
before
city
council
so
that
they
so
that
they
can
be
addressed
there
as
well.
A
If
you
don't
agree
with
one
of
my
findings,
please
feel
free
to
say
so.
At
that
time
the
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
on
the
zoning
ordinance
does
intend
for
us
to
to
have
schools.
A
Obviously,
the
fact
that
we
in
Evanston
have
had
long
discussions
upon
the
subject
of
neighborhood
schools,
with
the
Fifth
Ward
being
one
particular
neighborhood
that
has
lost
its
school
over
the
years
and
the
fact
that
we
do
see
that
the
open
space
area
which
this
is
currently
zoned
is
permitted
to
be
built
upon
in
very
very
few
conditions
and
a
very
very
few
conditions,
one
of
which
is
being
an
educational
building.
A
So
I
believe
that
this
standard
is
met.
The
alleged
hardship
for
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
I
think
this
goes
a
little
bit
to
the
fact
that
we
are
talking
about
an
open
space,
District
and
obviously
where
they,
whereas
there
are
things
that
are
that
are
buildable
by
right.
A
There
also
is
a
very,
very
low,
build
by
right.
My
belief
for
that
is
so
that
everything
that
is
built
in
open
space
has
to
come
to
the
city
in
some
way
for
approval,
as
opposed
to
having
a
larger
build
by
right,
which
then
can
be
used
by
people
for
for
whatever
they
want
wish
to
build.
So
I
believe
this
is
this
is
this
is
a
practical
difficulty
and
hardship
that
is
created,
but
I
believe
the
city
created
it
for
a
purpose
number
four.
A
The
property
owner
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
as
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience.
If
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
were
to
be
carried
out
again
and
kind
of
looking
at
the
different
areas
that
we
are
looking
at
with
floor
area
ratio,
the
proposed
height
the
parking
we
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
there
being
kind
of
two
front
yards
when
you
have
a
building
that
is
a
goes,
is
a
through
lot
runs
blocked,
block
block.
A
Obviously
it
can
create
some
different
issues,
but
I
believe
that
the
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
could
not
be
carried
out
and
allow
anything
to
be
built
here
that
would
that
would
reasonably
represent
a
school
commissioner.
How
you
look
like
you're,
gonna,
okay
on
number
five,
the
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property.
There's.
Also
a
second
section
which
talks
about
the
public
benefit.
A
The
schools
are
free.
They
aren't
going
to
make
additional
income
off
of
off
of
this
building
and
the
fact
is
under
under
5B.
They
also
do
provide,
obviously
a
very
specific
public
benefit
in
educating
the
Next
Generation
and
therefore
I
believe
that
that
standard
is
met.
Number
six,
the
alleged
heart,
difficulty
or
hardship-
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property.
A
This
is
a
a
lot
that
has
been
in
District
65
ownership
for
a
number
of
years.
They
have
exercised
the
ability
to
keep
it
as
an
open
lot.
They
have
sold
off
some
portions
of
it
to
Family
Focus
and
to
the
City
of
Evanston
for
different
uses,
but
they've
been
holding
on
to
this
for
quite
a
while
and
I.
A
A
One
of
the
things
that
concerned
me
coming
in
was
the
height
of
the
building,
with
it
being
only
three
stories
and
being
45
feet.
Tall
I
asked
a
question
about
that.
I
was
told
that
that
it's
I,
don't
remember,
I
was
told
it
was
a
best
practice
or
if
it
was
a
regulation
or
something
to
have
a
10-foot
window
to
allow
light
to
enter
in
further
into
the
classroom.
A
That
satisfies
my
concern
on
that
one
and
looking
at
the
other
things
I
think
that
you
know
when
we
look
at
the
minimum
we've
already
seen
them
reduce
the
height,
reduce
the
far
by
removing
a
floor,
so
I
think
that's
that's
shown
that
there's
an
interest
they've
made
an
attempt
at
getting
it
down
to
a
more
workable
situation
and
then
and
specifically
looking
at
the
front
yard
open
parking.
I
mean
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
whether
parking
could
be
put
underground.
A
We
have
a
high
water
table
that
creates
an
issue
for
us
and
so
I
believe
that
this
standard
is
also.
F
F
They
have
to
be
linear
buildings,
you
you
have
to
get
light
and
vent
into
all
these
classrooms,
which
sets
up
the
whole
single
load
or
double
loaded,
Corridor
idea,
so
the
shape
of
the
building
is
a
given
that
it's
a
school
and
secondly,
I
asked
about
the
program
for
this
very
reason
and
that
what
they
testified
is
that
this
is
the
minimal
program
minimal
sized
building
to
satisfy
the
program
with
some
cushion
for
expansion,
which
you
always
want.
I
have
so
to
me,
they've
satisfied
that.
G
I
think
I
would
say
that
it
doesn't
really
quite
meet
this
standard
for
the
least
deviation
at
least
not
yet
and
again,
as
commissioner
Miranda
have
identified,
I
think
there
are
some
things
that
the
applicant
could
look
at
to
really
reduce
the
size
and
the
bulk
to
see
if
the
program
can
be
tweaked
a
little
bit
to
allow
more
setback
from
Ashland
a
little
bit
more
of
a
physical
setback
at
the
third
floor
along
Simpson
I.
Think
those
things
make
a
difference
in
in
looking
at
this
particular
standard.
A
I
would
I
would
just
add
that
I
I
think
not
to
belabor
with
another
condition,
but
I
I
would
like
another
condition
that
the
applicant
consider
all
of
the
testimony
that's
been
received
tonight
and
the
the
listen
to
what
we
have
said.
What
the
neighbors
have
said,
with
the
hope
that
there
will
be.
You
will
be
able
to
make
some
revision
before
this
appears
before
the
planning
and
development
committee
and
before
city
council,
hopefully
appeasing
some
of
these
concerns.
A
G
I
move
that
the
land
use
commission
approve,
recommend.
A
G
A
B
G
AC
A
Yeah,
so
with
five
votes
in
favor
did
I.
Do
that
right,
five
votes
in
favor
and
two
against
the
motion
carries
and
it
will
be
recommended
to
city
council
with
a
positive
recommendation,
and
hopefully
you've
heard
what
the
neighbors
have
said.
What
this
commission
has
said
and
we'll
work
to
hopefully
tighten
the
things
up
a
little
bit
before
it
gets
to
planning
and
development
and
to
city
council.
A
Anything
else
on
that,
no
all
right.
That
concludes
the
one
item
we
had
on
business
this
evening.
Next
is
communication.
Is
there
anything
staff
would
like
to
communicate
to
us
not.
A
You
we
do
have
a
section
for
public
comment.
This
is
for
a
section
for
anybody
who
wishes
to
speak
to
us
on
any
matter.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
on
something
on
tonight's
agenda,
but
just
general
thoughts
on
on
land
use.
C
I
just
wanted
to
again
thank
the
the
committee
members
for
the
votes
and
again,
as
you
mentioned,
we
are
going
to
follow
up
with
the
recommendations
as
well
as
what
we
heard
today
again.
We
are
not
done
engaging
Community,
that's
at
the
core
of
doing
this
particular
project,
so
we
will
continue
to
have
Community
engagement
sessions
in
the
community
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
listen
to
community
members
as
we
shape
to
help
us
shape
this
project
in
a
way
that
meets
the
needs
of
all
our
folks
in
Fifth,
Ward.
AE
As
a
member
of
the
business
Community,
the
business
community
in
the
Fifth
Ward
is
very
much
in
favor
of
this
school.
We
are
very
much
challenged,
though,
by
the
parking
I
do
not
feel
that
they
have
taken
that
seriously
and
I
would
urge
very
much
that
they
engage
with
the
business
community.
AE
No
engagement
has
been
done
formally
with
the
business
Community
up
to
this
point
and
so
I
challenge
that
you
engage
as
much
with
the
business
Community
as
you
have
with
the
parents,
because
that
has
not
happened
and
the
business
Community
is
a
vital
part
of
this
area.
We
have
children,
we
have
employees,
have
children
and
having
that
Outreach
would
do
a
great
deal
to
make
the
business
Community
feel
that
we
are
being
heard
and
not
being
sidelined.
AE
A
You
I
also
would
encourage
everyone
to
engage
with
your
council
members
share
with
them.
Any
concerns,
any
thoughts
that
you
have.
They
are
the
final
determining
body
in
this
matter
so
and
they
can
consider
things
that
this
board
is
not
eligible
to
consider.
We
have
sort
of
a
limited
scope
of
what
we
are
allowed
to
address.
A
Council
looks
at
things
much
more
holistically
for
the
entire
city,
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
your
council
member
which,
if
you
live
in
the
fifth
Wards,
is
Bobby
Burns,
which
most
of
you
probably
already
know.
If
you
come
from,
another
Ward
you'll
have
to
look
them
up
because
I
don't
I'm
not
going
to
quote
everybody's
council
member
for
them
with.
K
A
Moved
by
commissioner
Westerberg,
is
there
a
second
second
aravalo,
all
those
in
favor?
Please
say:
aye
aye
all
opposed
with
that.
We
do
stand
adjourned.
We
will
be
meeting
next
week
on
the
what
is
the
next
week,
the
26th
here
in
council
chambers.
Thank
you.