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A
A
C
D
We
have
rob
bissenbach
on
video,
mr
bisonback,
if
you're
here
you
can
turn
on
your
screen.
F
I'm
sorry,
yes,
we
have
had
an
issue.
The
the
neighbors
in
the
community
directly
adjacent
to
the
university
have
had
a
number
of
issues
related
to
absentee
landlords
coming
in
carving
up
homes
and
renting
them
out
at
high
prices
to
university
students
becoming
basic
de
facto
unsupervised,
off-campus
housing,
and
we
think
that
this
proposal
and
other
proposals
currently
under
consideration.
The
council
will
only
accelerate
this
trend
and
what
we're
looking
for
is
a
reasonable
compromise,
because
we
do
not
think
that
this
will
result
in
more
affordable
housing,
particularly
in
this
neighborhood.
F
So
we're
hoping
to
find
some
kind
of
compromise
measure
that
will
protect
these
neighbors
from
having
to
live
next
to
extensions
of
the
fraternity
system,
and
it's
been
very
frustrating
because
there's
a
huge
burden
to
have
to
constantly
make
nuisance,
complaints
against
kids,
baseball
teams,
students
living
next
door
to
them
and
we've
had
very
little
sympathy
for
the
plan.
Commission.
In
fact,
one
of
the
planning
commissioners
said.
F
Basically,
the
responsibility
was
on
the
people
in
this
community
that,
if
we
don't
like
it,
we
shouldn't
be
willing
to
sell
to
developers,
and
he
even
said
that
the
people
in
the
neighborhood
need
to
have
serious
conversations
with
their
neighbors
about
properties
and
who
they're
willing
to
sell
to
and
how
that
will
impact
their
neighborhood,
which
is
a
remarkable
statement
and
I
believe,
just
the
exact
philosophy
that
has
got
us
into
this:
affordable
housing
crisis
in
the
first
place
of
people
deciding
who
and
whom
they
will
not
sell
to.
F
So
on
this
measure
and
other
measures
we're
looking
for
some
reasonable
compromise
to
protect
the
the
peace
and
quiet
and
and
quality
of
life
of
the
neighbors
surrounding
the
university.
Thank
you.
G
G
It
would
be
wonderful
if
internal
adus
and
attached
adus
could
provide
low
and
middle-income
people
with
affordable
housing
in
all
areas
of
evanston.
However,
near
nu,
these
types
of
adus
benefit
primarily
the
absentee
landlords
who
purchase
and
modify
homes
and
charge
exorbitant
rent
to
as
many
students
as
can
possibly
fit
in
their
buildings.
G
The
going
rent
near
nu
is
at
least
a
thousand
dollars
per
month
per
bedroom,
far
over
hud's
fair
market
rent
for
the
area.
The
end
result
of
allowing
absentee
landlords
to
have
these
types
of
adus
in
the
area
near
anu
would
be
too
little
control
on
density
in
this
area,
with
a
negative
impact
on
the
quality
of
life
without
providing
affordable
housing
for
anyone.
No
one
wins
besides
the
absentee
landlords
city
of
evanston
staff
in
today's
packet
state
that
just
one
internal
slash
attached
adu
has
been
applied
for
since
this
change
was
approved.
G
Let's
stop
now
before
more
adus
are
applied
for
in
this
area
to
weigh
the
costs
and
benefits
of
internal
adus
and
attached
adus,
distinguishing
between
adus
and
owner-occupied
properties
and
properties
with
absentee
landlords,
and
consider
the
impact
on
the
area
near,
and
you
please
thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
Good
evening,
I'd
like
to
comment
on
food
trucks-
and
the
first
thing
to
think
about
is
the
value
of
evanston's
lakefront
to
its
citizens
and
then
think
about.
In
what
way
does
that
value
lie?
Is
value
lies
in
its
natural
properties?
There's
nothing
man
can
do
to
improve
those.
What
we
can
do
is
make
them
available
to
everyone
who
wishes
to
enjoy
them
and
not
do
anything
to
diminish
what
they
give
us.
H
A
Believe
we
don't
have
food
trucks
on
our
p
d
planning
and
development
agenda
tonight.
A
I
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
yeah,
I'm
also
calling
in
to
support
the
moratorium
on
the
adus.
I
think
you
know
the
planning
committee
or
the
the
subcommittee
that
has
met
as
well.
As
you
know,
several
members
of
of
city
staff
are
are
doing,
something
that
is
is
commendable
in
terms
of
trying
to
find
creative
ways
to
augment
the
affordable
housing
and
that's
great.
I
Unfortunately,
there's
there's
obvious
an
immediate
unintended
consequences
to
that
that
I
don't
think
anybody
really
wants,
which
is
you
know,
supporting
out
of
town
landlords
and
students
to
the
detriment
of
single-family
homeowners
near
and
around
campus,
and
what
we're
asking
is
not
to
derail
the
the
continued
push
for
affordable
housing.
I
It's
just
to
protect
us
from
to
figure
out
a
way
to
protect
us
from
again
those
out
of
town
landlords
and
students
who
don't
have
a
long-term
vested
interest
in
the
community,
and
you
know
it's
beautiful
that
northwestern
is
here
and
we
love
having
students
around.
But
as
as
you,
as
you
know,
you
know,
the
single-family
neighborhoods
around
the
campus
have
been
immensely
impacted
over
the
course
of
the
last.
You
know
10
20,
30
years.
I
As
you
know,
more
and
more
students
have
moved
off
campus
and
it's
creating
a
situation
that
is
causing
quite
honestly
many
single-family
homeowners
to
either
move
or
consider
moving
to
other
areas
that
don't
aren't
impacted
by
by
again
transient
student
residents
that
are
not
a
protected
class.
So
again,
I
support
the
moratorium
on
the
adus
thanks.
J
Hi
I'm
sue
robach.
I
work
at
connections
for
the
homeless
in
evanston
and
head
of
our
group
called
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing.
I
would
say
that
joining
forces
does
not
favor
a
moratorium
on
building
internal
edus
nor
on
requiring
owner
occupancy
the
primary
driver
behind
this.
This
request
appears
to
be
a
concern
that
homeowners
near
the
university
have
that
other
homeowners
will
convert
their
buildings
into
student
housing
by
creating
internal
adus.
J
We
have
two
concerns
with
the
proposed
actions
one.
We
believe
that
any
restrictions
on
flexibility
related
to
housing
during
a
growing
housing
crisis
are
unwise
and
do
not
acknowledge
the
severity
of
that
crisis
and
two.
The
shortage
of
housing
in
evanston
includes
the
shorting
of
housing
for
students
in
areas
that
do
not
pit
them
against
non-student
households.
J
Northwestern
university
provides
housing
for
at
most
25
percent
of
its
local
students.
However,
neither
the
city
nor
the
university
seem
to
have
ever
put
in
place
a
plan
for
how
to
accommodate
that
other
75
percent.
We
do
not
believe
that
restricting
flexibility
and
housing
use
across
the
city
is
going
to
relieve
the
lack
of
housing.
That's,
I
think,
at
the
real
root
of
the
very
real
tensions
in
the
neighborhoods
around
the
university.
J
Therefore,
if
the
city
is
going
to
consider
any
such
restrictions
as
our
proposed
tonight,
we
would
ask
that
such
changes
be
considered
short-term
and
that
they
be
accompanied
by
a
commitment
and
a
plan
of
action
to
partner
with
the
university
to
address
the
enduring
shortage
of
student
housing.
Without
such
a
plan
and
its
implementation,
opposition
to
real
changes
that
will
increase,
affordability
will
continue
and
restrictive
zoning
will
at
best
stay
in
place
and
at
worst,
get
even
more
restrictive.
Thank
you.
A
L
A
E
Sure
I'd
like
to
have
a
discussion
on
this,
but
I'd
like
to
do.
I
amend
that
I'd
like
to
move
this
to
I'd
like
to
withdraw
the
the
motion
to
have
it
for
action
for
intro
and
action
and
instead
have
it
go
to
plan
commission
for
expedited,
hopefully
for
a
special
special
session
for
an
expedited
hearing.
A
A
I
believe
that
what
council
member
kelly
is
interested
in
doing
is
is
sending
this
to
the
plan
commission
because
they
are
the
the
body
that
needs
to
hold
the
hearing
with
respect
to
the
moratorium
right.
E
But
do
I
have
to
my
original
request
for
motion
for
intro
and
action.
B
She's
substituting
alderman
nussma's
motion,
ultima
news,
moved
approval.
Alderman
kelly
is
substituting
his
motion
for
approval
to
send
it
to
plan
commission.
A
Okay,
council,
member
kelly,
would
you
like
to
make
your
motion?
Yes,.
E
I
would
like
to
with.
I
would
like
to
withdraw
my
my
request
for
intro
and
action
on
this
item
and
instead
I
would
like
this
to.
I
would
like
to
move
this
to
the
plan
commission
for
an
expedited,
hopefully
a
special
session,
so
that
we
can
hear
this
as
qui
as
soon
as
possible.
A
B
Can
I
have
either
alt
alder
or
council
person,
kelly,
revell
or
burns
describe
exactly
what
the
issue
is
that
we're
attempting
to
solve
with
this.
E
Should
I'd
be
happy
to
start
go
right,
so
I
think
one
of
the
I
think
one
of
the
most
fundamental
things
that
we
need
to
acknowledge
is
there
are
plenty
of
studies
that
show
that,
when
we
in
communities
where
we
allow
this
sort
of
proliferation
of
studentification,
where
you
have
absentee
landlords,
essentially
almost
like
commercializing
neighborhoods
by.
E
Packing
houses
full
of
students
with
disregard
to
the
students
themselves
with
disregard
to
the
neighborhood
we
there
is
a
direct
correlation
to
unaffordability
prices,
the
rent
rents
spike,
the
the
price
of
houses
also
increase
in
the
again
there's
plenty
of
studies.
This
is,
I
don't
think,
there's
any
debate
on
this.
So
this
is
why
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned,
I'm
glad
I
agree
with
sue
that
we
should
work
on
a
joint
plan
with
northwestern
and
dave
davis
is
working
with
us.
E
He
agrees
that
we
really
need
to
figure
out
this
situation
where
we
have
absentee
landlords
and
again
absentee-
and
I
mean
outside
of
evanston
landlords,
who
are
buying
up
loads
of
property
and
and
really
increasing
the
rates.
E
It's
they're
distorting
the
neighborhood
estate,
the
neighborhood
real
estate
market
and
making
our
wards
less
affordable
for
middle
and
lower
income,
and-
and
this
really
needs
to
be
acknowledged
in
no
way
is
what's
happening
right
now
in
the
first
award
with
absentee
landlords,
filling
houses
with
9
10
11
12
students,
helping
affordability,
it's
doing
only
the
opposite,
and
the
adu
that
was
recently
passed
in
october
is
only
going
to
make
that
proliferate
even
more
because
now
you'll
in
essence
an
absentee
landlord
can
now
double
get.
You
know,
sort
of
double
the
bang.
E
They
don't
have
to
go
through
zoning.
They
can
now
double
the
number
of
students
in
a
home
and
and
we're
going
to
see,
I
think
we're
going
to
see
prices
go
up
even
higher,
and
this
is
not
and
and
again.
B
M
For
the
sake
of
time,
my
real
interest
is
to
figure
out
how
long
it
would
take
to
for
this
to
go
through
the
plan
commission,
because
if
it
takes,
you
know
a
month
or
two.
This
was
really
to
stop
a
problem
that
we
that
could
be
that
developers
and
and
other
people
interested
in
creating
off-campus
student
housing
could
take
advantage
of
right
now.
But
if
we
have
to
kick
it
down
the
road
a
month
or
two,
we
could
use
that
time
to
actually
address
the
issue
itself.
So
I'm
not
prepared.
A
I
don't
think
it's
a
good
piece
of
time
to
go
into
detail
yeah
council
member
burns.
I
think
our
city
staff
can
provide
a
response
as
to
why
it's
necessary
for
the
the
planned
commission
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
this
issue,
because
it's
a
zoning
ordinance,
but
there
is
value
and
mr
george
or
miss
gandursky.
A
Please
provide
me
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
there's
value
in
our
noticing
this
and
starting
the
discussion
tonight,
because
that
lets
the
world
know
that
the
city
of
evanston
is
contemplating
a
change
in
this
type
of
internal
adu
or
attached
adu.
So
that
acts
as
a
stay
to
prevent
someone
else
from
applying
for
it,
because,
while
we're
well,
our
plan
commission
is
going
through
the
government
process,
that's
necessary
to
to
to
make
the
change.
A
Could
you
explain
the
value
of
the
fact
that
we
are
discussing
this,
and
this
went
out
on
a
public
agenda
that
the
city
is
is
starting
the
discussion
on
this
sure.
K
Well,
putting
it
on
the
agenda
satisfies
the
open
meetings
act,
so
it
meets
the
legal
requirements,
but
as
far
as
referring
it
back
to
plan
commission
or
having
more
public
discussion
about
it,
I
think
first
of
all
it
just
provides
value
to
the
community.
But
in
terms
of
sending
to
the
plan
commission,
the
city
has
a
process
for
making
changes
to
the
zoning
code
or
just
any
zoning
decisions,
and
that
involves
the
plan.
Commission.
K
It
enumerates
the
plan
commission's
powers
and
one
of
those
is
involved,
its
involvement
with
zoning
decisions
so
yeah,
like
basically
the
city,
has
said
he
has
a
process,
and
you
know
we're
by
by
putting
it
before
a
plan.
Commission
is
following
that
process,
but.
A
I
think
the
the
the
question
is
with
respect
to
other
issues
that
are
don't
involve
zoning.
The
city
council
can
act
more
quickly
in
terms
of
imposing
a
moratorium,
but
because
this
involves
zoning
and
our
zoning
process
involves
the
planned
commission.
There
is
a
longer
time
period
and
I
understand
council
member
burns
concern
about
making
sure
we
act
as
expeditiously
as
possible.
D
Chairman,
if
I
may,
kelly
gandorsky
deputy
city
manager,
my
understanding
and
conferring
with
the
law
department,
is
that
this
speeding
in
and
of
itself
gives
all
residents
notice
that
the
council
is
considering
the
moratorium,
and
so
I
think
I
think,
if
I'm
understanding
the
question
correctly,
is
what
happens
now
if
residents
decide
to
try
to
flood
the
the
city
with
applications,
and
I
think
that
well,
you
know,
while
there
isn't
a
moratorium
in
place
today,
there's
still
a
really
good
argument
that
we,
the
council,
has
noticed
the
world,
essentially
that
it
is
considering
this,
and
so
one
may
not
claim
a
detrimental
reliance
upon
the
fact
that
you
know
I
that
the
council
may
impose
a
moratorium
so
there,
while
there
isn't
a
solid.
D
You
know,
I
think
legal
answer
to
that.
That's
it
is
giving
notice
now
why
it
has
to
go
back
to
the
plan.
Commission
is
because
or
why
it
should
go
back
to
the
plan
commission,
as
council
member
kelly
has
suggested
is
because
that
gives
the
opportunity
for
a
hearing
process
which
our
code
requires
and
that
satisfies
a
due
process
required.
M
M
And
that
is
the
answer.
Yes,
they
will
still
be
able
to
to
get
through
and
if
so,
what
I'm
saying
is
it
might
be
better
to
spend
that
time
that
we
would
use
doing
hearings
and
going
through
the
plan
commit
go
on
the
plan
commission
route
to
to
actually
take
a
look
at
the
adu
itself.
You
know
our
current
ordinance
around
adu
to
see
where
there
are
areas,
for
you
know,
reform
improvement,
because
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get
it.
We
want
to
moratorium.
M
So
we
have
time
to
strengthen
our
current
80
ordinance
around
adus,
and
so
do
we
want
to
spend
staff
time
in
within
hearings.
Public
hearings
try
to
get
a
moratorium,
or
do
we
want
to
spend
that
time
just
trying
to
improve
and
strengthen
the
current
adu
ordinance?
Okay-
and
I
don't
know
how
long
this
process
is
going
to
take
to
go
through
the
planning
commission,
it
would
help
if
I
knew
that.
But
that's
my
point.
K
A
K
You
mean
you
mean
just
sometime
in
the
future.
K
I
mean
they,
the
the
argument
that
they
didn't
have
any
notice
or
that
they
were
you
know,
certainly
is
weakened
by
the
fact
that
it
was
heard
here
today.
I
guess
I
don't.
I
can't
give
you
like
a
yes
no
answer
on
that.
A
D
Lights,
okay
and
and
miss
miss
flax
is
here
today
too
from
the
community
development
department.
So
she
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
there's
a
practical
answer
to
this
as
well,
which
is,
should
someone
run
out
today
and
try
to
apply
for
an
internal
adu
there's
going
to
be
a
process
that
one
would
have
to
follow
anyway
through
the
department
which
would
take
some
time,
so
it's
not
like
they
would
get
an
automatic
permit
issue
today
to
build
their
edu
internally.
D
So
I
would,
I
would
say
you
know
anything's
possible,
but
I
I
think
the
council
has
some
time
miss
lax.
Am
I
correct
in
that.
B
Try
to
answer
this.
Thank.
N
You
there
is,
they
have
to
submit
for
zoning
review,
so
there's
that
process
they
have
to
get
their
zoning
review.
Then
they
have
to
get
their
building
permit.
Then
they
have
to
say
what
they're
going
to
do
now.
I
don't
know
legally
once
somebody
has
submitted
something
that
you
can
then
deny
them,
just
as
we
you
know
like
when
we
have
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
For
example,
when
we
changed
it,
people
who
had
applied
before
the
new
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
went
into
effect,
couldn't
be
forced
to
take
on
the
new.
N
You
know,
I
mean,
there's
just
a
timing
that
that
I
think
we
have
to
consider,
but
I
also
don't
think
that
there
is
a
enormous
rush
of
people
who
have
been
applying
for
internal
adus,
based
on
what
we've
seen
frankly,
so
I'm
not
really
certain
why
the
concern
is
that
taking
a
considered
process
and
following
that
would
be
a
problem.
B
If
I
may
reclaim
the
last
yeah
the
last
bit
of
my
time,
because
I
was
asking
questions
of
folks
and
then
it
just
kind
of-
and
I
let.
B
So
it
seems
as
though
the
issue
that
I'm
hearing
that
we're
trying
to
solve,
however,
it's
solved
whenever
it's
solved,
is
that
packing
houses,
which
means
there's
a
number
timmy
students
in
one
house,
which
I
wonder
if
our
code
already
addresses
that
and
if
we
need
to
just
enforce
things
that
are
already
on
the
books
absentee
landlords.
B
Again,
I
wonder
if,
as
opposed
to
a
moratorium,
if
we
can
more
effectively
target
that
and
then
lastly,
I'm
hearing
affordability
as
an
issue
and
again,
I
wonder
if
we
can
more
effectively
target
those
issues,
the
house
packing
absentee
landlords
and
affordability.
B
As
miss
flex
noted,
I
I
believe
there
have
only
been
not
even
a
handful
of
applications,
one
or
two,
since
this
has
been
passed,
and
so
it
seems
so
one
if
we
do
hold
off
on
this,
and
this
goes
to
plan
commission.
I
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
a
rush
of
folks.
It's
been
on
the
books
for
a
couple
years,
so
I
think
it's
fine
to
go
through
the
process,
but
two.
I
just
wonder
if
even
going
through
that
process,
understanding
that
there
have
been
so
few
applications
for
this.
B
O
Well,
the
our
change
to
the
adu
adu
ordinance
that
allows
internal
and
attached
adus
was
just
approved
just
a
little
over
a
year
a
year
ago,
so
there
hasn't
really
been
much
time
for
people
to
take
advantage
of
that
new
rule.
O
But
I
think
we,
those
of
us
who
are
closely
following
the
issues
around
the
in
the
neighborhoods
close
to
northwestern,
are
feeling
that
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
pressure
and
homeowners
receiving
regular
postcards
and
phone
calls
about
encouraging
them
to
sell
their
homes,
because
you
know
now
the
price
is
right
and
they're.
There
truly.
Are
these
investors
eager
to
snap
up
more
houses
and
if
they
can
create
an
internal
adu
and
legally
then
have
six
students,
as
opposed
to
only
three,
I
think,
we're
just
justifiably
concerned.
O
I
have
a
just
sort
of
a
basic
question,
so
we
are
asking
the
plan
commission
to
discuss
simply
setting
a
moratorium,
or
are
we
asking
them
to
solve
to
create
a
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
code
that
we
would
then
consider
that
would
help
us
address
this
problem,
because
I
worry
that
if
we're
asking
them
to
do,
if
it's
simply
holding
a
public
hearing
about
yes
or
no,
a
moratorium,
that
could
be
pretty
quick.
O
K
I
believe
council
members
kelly's
referral
was
to
the
planning
commission
regarding
the
moratorium.
A
So
we
are,
we
are,
I
think,
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
we
are
asking
them
to
hold
a
public
hearing
on
the
moratorium
because
that's
required
a
public
hearing
is
required
and
the
planned
commission
is
the
correct
body
to
hold
that
public
hearing
and
then
after
they've
held
it,
then
they
would
make
a
recommendation
back
to
the
council
to
impose
the
moratorium
and
then
we
would
ask
them
or
we
would
review
our
adu
ordinance
and
come
up
with
whatever
necessary
changes.
We
we
would
like.
A
Okay,
okay,
all
right,
I
want
to
go
back
to
do.
You
have
any
further
questions.
Okay,
I
have
a
couple
others
here
who
haven't
spoken
yet
council.
Member
fleming.
C
I
guess
my
questions
were
along
councilmember
member
reads
in
terms
of
you
know
the
problem
we're
trying
to
solve,
and
so
I
I
guess
I
am
concerned,
if
you
send
it
to
the
plan
commission
they're,
holding
a
hearing
you're
going
to
have
everyone
in
evanston
who
comes
out
to
talk
on
the
issue.
I
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
decipher
if
they
should
do
a
moratorium
or
not,
which
still
leaves
the
same
issue
that
you
all
are
facing,
which
is
overcrowding
of
houses?
C
I'm,
I
guess
I'm
not
convinced
that
the
overcrowding
of
houses
is
due
to
all
these
adus
that
are
built
versus
just
bad
landlord
practices,
and
so
I
know
you
know
I'm
not
in
that
area,
and
I
know
this
has
been
an
issue
since
I've
been
on
council,
we
haven't
quite
been
able
to
remedy
it,
but
what
I
am
concerned
about
is,
if
we
do
this
blanket
moratorium
on
all
adus,
even
though
they're
not
flourishing
at
this
time
coming
out
of
the
pandemic.
C
What
does
that
do
for
people
around
the
rest
of
the
city
right?
So
I
know,
even
in
my
home,
since
we've
changed
the
adu
rules,
we've
had
an
estimate
for
an
adu
built
in
my
backyard
to
house
our
senior
parents-
we're
not
at
that
point
yet.
But
if
we
were,
I
couldn't
do
that
for
my
own
family,
because
of
I
mean
if
I
want
to
do
it
and
do
for
you
know,
I'd
say
I'm
done
for
my
family,
but
maybe
I
want
to
rent
it
to
somebody,
but
you
know.
C
Nonetheless,
it
becomes
an
issue
for
the
entire
city
and
it
took
us
a
while
just
to
get
to
this
point,
because
when
I
first
started,
people
were
still
talking
about
how
this
was
maybe
going
to
be
like
trailer
park.
So
I
I
am
a
little
concerned
with
the
blanket
moratorium.
If
the
moratorium
itself
is,
I
mean
if
the
adus
themselves
are
not
the
reason.
People
are
packing
the
houses.
C
But
even
if
we
do
the
moratorium
and
kind
of
fix
it
and
come
back,
I
don't
know
how
we
then
come
back
with
the
adus
and
say
you
can
have
adu,
except
if
you're
going
to
rent
students
right,
that's
against
the
law,
so
we
couldn't
do
that.
We
can't
say
you
can
have
adu
everywhere,
but
the
second
fifth
and
first
war.
So
I
said-
and
I'm
not
a
planner,
so
maybe
there
is
a
way
that
we
can
do
it.
C
I
just
would
hate
to
go
to
this
moratorium
and
then
we
extended
throughout
the
whole
city,
and
it's
still
not
solving
the
problem
that
you
all
are
having
with
the
with
the
landlords,
and
I
don't
you
know,
have
a
way
to
solve
them.
Sorry,
I
don't
have
an
idea
for
that,
but
I
would
just
hate
to
do
this
kind
of
blanket
process.
I'd
much
rather
think
about
what
councilmember
byrne
said,
which
is.
C
Can
there
be
some
way
that
this
we're
working
on
the
student
issue,
which
I
know
you
all
are
that
doesn't
involved
really
things
that
might
have
a
negative
impact
across
the
whole
city
right?
And
so
you
know,
I
I'm
I'm
also
kind
of
opposed
to
three
and
related.
We
talked
about
that
for
forever.
We
have
that
still,
and
it's
still
not
working
so
there's
got
to
be
something
out
there
that
that
that
we
can
do
to
make
this
work
for
the
for
you
all
and
for
the
residents.
C
I
just
don't
know
that
this
is
it
particularly
if
it's
going
to
take
a
long
time
right,
because
these
developers
are
buying
houses.
Now
I'm
going
to
be
doing
stuff
now
to
get
these
students
in
the
houses
and
even
again,
even
with
the
adu
moratorium.
I'm
not
I'm
just
not
sure
when
you're
not
going
to
still
have
that
same
issues
of
developers
buying
these
houses
impacting
the
students-
and
I
do
you
know
empathize
with
you
all
we're
dealing
with
some
stuff
in
the
ninth
world.
C
We
have
an
absentee
landlord
and
it's
been
a
real
pain
and
even
every
rule
we've
tried.
It's
still
a
pain.
I
just
I
just
don't
know
that
this
is
it
if
you
all
feel
strongly.
I
would.
I
would
support
that.
C
I
don't
know
of
anyone
in
the
ninth
world
right
now,
who's
looking
to
build
one
who
this
would
have
a
adverse
impact
on,
but
I
I
would
hope
we
can
bring
this
back,
whether
it's
affordable
or
family
or
owner
occupied,
or
whoever
that
we
could
bring
this
back
to
have
as
an
option
throughout
the
entire
city.
A
C
C
A
I
think
the
concern
is,
if
my,
if
I
understand
it
correctly,
that
if
they,
if
an
if
a
non-owner
occupied,
builds
in
an
adu,
then
that
immediately
allows
them
to
have
six
students
legally
there
and
that's
so
that's
beyond
what
the
city
might
want
them
to
have
together
and
then
that's
my
understanding
so,
but
I
also
have
lights
on
from.
I
have
all
the
council
member
newsmud,
then
councilmember
kelly.
I
see
your
light
and
then
councilmember
revell.
E
Okay,
first,
this
is
just
a
moratorium,
and
this
is
only
one
measure
that
we're
looking
at
taking.
We
actually
submitted.
I
think
four
referrals
to
try
to
get
this
in
check
and
again
it's
because
of
what's
happening
with
the
absentee
landlords
and
again
when
I
say
that
I
really
mean
landlords
that
live
outside
of
evanston,
how
it's
really
distorting
the
real
estate
market
and
making
it
much
more
expensive
and
much
more
unaffordable,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
stop
and
be
smart
about
these
measures.
That's
why
we're
saying?
E
Let's
stop
now
we
can
see
this
coming
down
the
pike.
So
let's
get
this
in
check
and
make
a
smart
adu
ordinance
that
that
intent,
that
that
can
really
fulfill
the
intention
of
providing
a
greater
array
of
of
housing
options
of
different
affordability
levels,
and
I
think,
if
we
don't
do
that,
we're
going
to
see.
I-
and
you
know-
we've
already
we're
seeing
this
now-
we've
seen
with
one
house
and
that's
what
why
our
antenna
went
up
that
this
is.
E
This
is
a
we
are
having
issues
with
it
and
I
agree
we
all
have.
We
all
know
that
you
know
a
city
shouldn't
be
establishing
what
a
family
is
with
a
three
person,
but
we're
already
seeing
this
issue.
Just
with
you
know
the
three
person
limit
so
now.
We
know
that
this
is
going
to
just
blow
up
and
be
most
likely.
This
is
going
to
become
we're
already
seeing
it,
so
we
think
that
we
need
to
take
measures
right
away
and
again.
E
You
know,
buying
up
of
homes
by
people
who
don't
live
in
evanston
who
are
making
bang
by.
You
know
charging
upwards
of
10
15
000
a
month
and
again
the
price
of
the
houses
escalates.
Also
and
again,
all
the
studies
show
there's
a
direct
correlation
to
rising
costs
of
rents
and
and
housing
when
this
is
allowed
to
happen.
So
we're
looking
just
to
get
this
in
check
along
with
other
measures.
This
is
just
the
first
one.
E
We
thought
this
would
be
one
you
know
and
and
because
it's
a
three
month
moratorium,
we're
meeting
with
people
across
the
country
and
other
in
other
cities
who
have.
There
are
plenty
of
different
ways
that
other
cities
and
states
have
made
their
own
adu
ordinances
that
help
to
preclude
this
sort
of
rampant,
commercialization
and
skyrocketing
costs
of
living
in
neighborhoods
near
universities,
and
I
want
to
say
also
this
is
also
about
the
students
we
care
deeply
about
the
students.
The
students
are
disregard.
E
I
mean
this
is
also
about
providing
you
know,
housing,
that's
that's
cared
for
and,
and
I
can
say,
I've
toured
many
of
these
homes.
I've
seen
beautiful
homes,
with
numerous
students
packed
but
beautifully.
You
know
living
well
by
people
who
live
in
evanston
are
taking
care
of
these
homes.
So
there
is
that's.
E
Why
we're
you
know,
speaking
to
the
absentee
the
aspect
of
absentee
landlords
who
you
know
who
don't
live
in
evanston,
that
there
is
and
I'd
be
happy
to
give
take
anyone
on
a
tour
to
see
the
difference
between
the
homes
of
owner-occupied
evanston
residents
versus
homes
were
by
landlords
who
do
not
live
in
evanston.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
revell,.
O
K
A
Possibly
if
they
can
come
up
with
some
type
of
narrowly
terror
tailored
requirement
that
allows
them
to
apply
it
differently,
but
it
they'll
it's
a
high
burden
to
overcome.
M
Can
I
ask
one
more
question:
yes,
go
ahead,
I
think
I
think
it's
just
it's
it.
I
wouldn't
feel
right
without
saying
this,
so
let
me
and
sarah-
maybe
you
can
help
with
this,
so
I
would
not
be
in
support
ultimately
of
of
disallowing,
not
allowing
non-owner-occupied
adus.
So
I'm
entering
into
this
this
this
more,
this
kind
of
push
for
a
moratorium
different
than
maybe
some
of
my
other
colleagues.
M
I
was
told,
though,
that
the
process
itself
of
of
of
establishing
an
adu
may
be
more
relaxed
than
some
of
our
other
zoning
processes.
And
sarah,
can
you
speak
to
whether
or
not
that's
true
and
maybe
councilmember
kelly
can
speak
more
to
it,
but
that's
really
why
I
agreed
to
take
a
look
at
a
moratorium
on
non-owner-occupied
internal
attached
adus,
because
I
was
under
the
impression
that
there
is
a
different
process
to
do
that.
That
may
be
more
relaxed.
That
may
be
more
expedited
than
some
of
our
other
requirements
around
different
developments.
N
Council
member
burns-
there's
not,
I
mean
it
still
has
to
go
through
a
zoning
review,
and
I
mean
the
everything
goes
through
a
zoning
review
and
it
still
has
to
go
through
a
building
permit
review
because,
if
they're,
unless,
of
course,
they
already
have
an
adu
built
out
that
they
haven't
told
us
about,
but
we
did
try
to
get
those
to
come
forward
when
we
did
our
original
adu
code.
N
You
know
I
mean
this
is
one
of
the
challenges
and
one
of
the
things
when
we
did
this
with
coach
houses,
I
mean
one
of
the
things
we've
always
said.
Is
we
probably
have
built
out
adus
in
a
number
of
properties
and
they
are
ways
people
have
housed
family
members,
other
people
and
probably
done
this
for
quite
a
while.
N
The
reality
is,
I
think
we
ought
to
have
what
we
did
with
the
coach
houses.
Ideally,
we
would
do
a
amnesty
for
those
who
come
and
register
them
legally
and
do
all
the
stuff,
because
you
know
really
that's
what
many
communities
have
found.
These
things
are
built
out
in
places.
People-
just
don't
talk
about
them
and
if
you
give
people
the
opportunity
to
come
forward
and
re
and
register
them
appropriately
and
then
we
have
more
control.
N
I
think
one
of
the
really
important
things
is.
We
have
to
look
at
ways
to
strengthen
our
enforcement
of
our
rules,
and
that
is,
I
think,
our
biggest
weakness.
We
have
rules
in
place,
but
we
never
have
ways
of
enforcing
them,
and
staff
has
made
recommendations
that
we
get
rid
of
the
three
unrelated,
because
it's
not
a
law
that
you
can
actually
really
enforce,
because
how
do
you
even
identify
who's
related
and
all
that
stuff
right?
N
So
if
we
have
occupancy
standards
and
we
have
enforcement
against
those
occupancy
standards,
we're
looking
at
landlord
licensing
now,
as
opposed
to
just
registration,
which
is
another
way
to
get
greater
control
over
poorly
managed
properties.
And
I
think
that's
really
the
key
thing.
It's
the
management
of
the
properties
and
in
many
cases
I
think
that
the
number
of
students,
the
the
greatest
problems,
are
actually
from
parties
and
things
like
that,
not
from
the
people
who
are
living
there
and
that's
just
the
nature
of
students.
N
But
those
things
can
be
controlled
better
through
and
a
strengthened
and
improved
nuisance
ordinance.
M
M
N
In
theory,
if
we
were
doing
that
kind
of
you
know
that
amnesty
that
would
be
what
we
would
do
now.
I'll
be
frank.
One
of
the
reasons
we
brought
didn't
bring
this
up
right
away.
When
we
had
this
approved
was
we're
in
the
mid.
We
were
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic
and
somehow
asking
people
to
come
and
acknowledge
that
they
had
built
something
out
illegally
or
that
they
might
have
more
people
living
there
than
would
be
ideal.
Just
didn't
seem
like
a
good
thing.
I'll
be
absolutely
honest.
M
So
my
question
to
council
member
kelly
and
reveal
is
that,
as
far
as
as
far
as
the
zoning
process
itself
in
relation
to
adus
is
that
do
you
still
have
a
concern
now,
after
hearing
what
we've
heard.
E
L
E
Nobody,
it's
there's
nothing
public
about
it.
It's
all
just
staff,
it's
a
staff
permitting
process
which
is
very
different
than
getting
say
getting
zoned
for
a
multi-unit
dwelling,
which
in
essence
I
mean-
let's
just
be
clear.
These
are.
This
is
just
you
know,
a
very
fine
difference
between
a
multi-unit
dwelling
and
an
internal
adu.
E
I
mean
you
know
it's
a
little
different,
but
the
difference
is
fine
and
with
a
multi-unit
dwelling,
if
you
convert
a
single
family
home
to
a
multi-unit
dwelling
which
I'm
not
speaking
against,
but
that
would
be
you
know,
you'd
have
to
go
through
zoning
hearing
with
the
addition
of
an
internal
adu.
You
don't,
and
you
know
I
am
concerned-
we
should
all
be
concerned.
We
should
all
have
an
interest
in
restricting
the
escalating
rental
rates
we
should
all
want
to,
and
there
are
many
creative
ways
to
do
this
across
this
nation.
E
E
You
know
these
super
wealthy
folks
from
other
towns
who
are
buying
up
houses
and
and
making
our
rent
rental
rates
go
up
higher,
and
why?
Wouldn't
we
do
this
and
we're
that's?
What
we're
asking
for?
It's
just
a
moratorium
so
that
we
can
continue.
We've
done
a
lot
of
research
and
I'm
happy
to
share
our
work
space
with
anybody.
M
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
so
about
mo
top.
If
we're
comparing
multi-unit
developments
to
adus.
Do
you
agree
that
there
is
a
difference
in
that
in
the
zoning
process?
I
just
really
need
that
because
that's
why
I'm
here
today
in
support
of
the
moratorium,
if
there
really
is
a
difference
in
the
zoning
process
between
establishing
an
adu,
and
I
think
that
we're
comparing
it
with
multi-unit
of
multi-unit
development.
N
Well,
actually,
some
of
those
properties
that
we're
talking
are
not
in
r1
zoning
and
technically
somebody
could
purchase
one
of
them
and
tear
it
down
and
probably
build.
If
there
are
five
they
could
build.
I
don't
know
what
so
it
really
depends
on
your
zoning
district
in
an
r1
zoning
area,
the
only
kind
of
multi-dwelling
units
right
now
that
are
allowed
is,
if
you
do
an
adu,
it's
it's
a
you
know
smaller
than
the
main
unit,
that
sort
of
thing.
If
the
property
is
in
a
higher
level,
zoning
district.
N
If
the
proposed
development
meets
the
underlying
zoning,
they
wouldn't
go
through
a
planned
commission
or
anything
else.
It's
usually
our
larger
developments
that
go
through
that,
but.
H
N
Correct
unless
somebody
were
asking
for
more
than
a
single
adu
per
lot,
then
it
would
go
through
that
chicago
actually
has
an
interesting
thing
in
their
new
adu
code,
which
is
that
if
somebody
wants
to
have
more
than
a
single
adu,
then
they
have
to
make
the
additional
ones
affordable.
And
when
we
originally
proposed
approving
adus
staff
proposed
having
because
it
was
a
zoning
change,
putting
an
affordability
restriction
on
it.
But
that
was
not
approved.
A
Right
councilmember.
A
So
I
don't
see
any
more
lights,
and
now
we're
going
to
vote
on
council
member
kelly's
motion
to
send
this
item
to
the
plan
commission
for
an
expedited
hearing
on
whether
to
impose
a
moratorium
on
non-owner-occupied,
internal
and
attached
adus
a
temporary
moratorium.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
so
the
the
motion
carries
and
this
will
be
sent
to
the
planned
commission
with
the
request
that
they
have
an
expedited
meeting
regarding
this
issue
and
with
that.
That
concludes
our
agenda
this
evening
and
I
see
seeing
no
more
items.
I
declare
that
we
are
adjourned
and
the
city
council
will
start
at
five
of
seven.