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A
A
Oh
before
that,
alderman
wilson
do
we
need
we
need
to
make
that
motion
regarding
operating
under
zoom.
B
D
E
A
So
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
the
first
item
would
be
do
we
have
any
public
comments.
A
A
Hi
okay
minutes
are
approved
next,
we'll
go
to
public
comment.
F
All
right
who's:
first,
we
have
tina
payton.
G
Hi
good
evening,
everyone
hope
everyone
as
well.
Okay,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
hunt
p1
175
thousand
000
from
ida
for
low-income
rehab,
so
I
will
assume
that
ms
flax
will
talk
about
it
further
in
the
meeting.
I
would
like
to
know
how
does
one
apply-
and
I
read
over
the
you
know-
who
was
going
to
get
some
or
the
the
money
was
going
to
be
used
for
acquisition,
rehabilitation,
demolition,
tree
shrub
and
breed
removal,
grass
cutting
and
lot
treatment.
G
So
I
have
property
that
is
in
a
low,
low-income
area,
and
I
would
be
very
interested
many
of
the
programs
that
have
come
out
already.
A
You
miss
payton
joanna,
you
said
sue
lowbach
is
next.
F
F
This
ordinance
will
give
this
city
a
way
to
contribute
some
of
its
land
for
use
as
potentially
affordable
housing,
and
will
certainly
allow
greater
flexibility
for
development
of
these
lots,
whether
they're
owned
by
the
city
or
not.
We
thank
the
city
for
considering
this
proposal
and
hope
you
will
approve
it.
We
also
hope
that
it
will
be
followed
by
some
proposals
on
how
to
ensure
that
these
smaller
homes
will
actually
be
affordable
through
building
subsidies
or
some
other
mechanism.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
miss
lolbach.
Finally,
I
believe
it's
carlos
sutton.
G
H
I
want
to
thank
you
for
giving
this
opportunity
and
we
just
want
to
reinforce
the
comments
made
by
mrs
miss
payton
and
secondly,
I
would
like
to
ask
the
people
that
are
meeting
to
have
some
kind
of
program
that's
available
to
landlords
that
does
not
require
them
to
receive
assistance,
if
only
the
tenants
apply
for
assistance.
H
This
has
been
a
very,
very
large
increase
in
our
property
taxes.
We
cannot
get
evictions,
we
have
a
lot
of
harassment
from
city
inspectors,
we
need
help
and
we
need
it
now
and
we
need
a
program
that
will
specifically
set
aside
small
landlords
to
recoup
some
of
the
losses
that
they've
suffered
over
the
last
year
and
secondly,
we
do
not
need
to
be
adding
with
neca
to
a
snow,
plow
policy.
Thank
you.
H
A
Item
p1
I'll
read
that
into
it.
It's
p1
is
resolution
24r21,
accepting
a
grant
from
the
illinois
housing
development
authority's
strong
communities
program
staff
recommends
city
council
adopt
red
this
resolution,
for
which
provides
us
with
175
000
to
address
affordable
housing
needs
and
community
revitalization
efforts.
F
B
I
don't
know
if
miss
flex
is
here
to
make
any
kind
of
presentation
or
somebody
else's
to
make
hi
seriously.
B
But
my
impression
was
this
is
going
to
be
primarily
focused
on
restoring
vacant
properties
as
opposed
to
you
know,
landlords
who
have
existing
properties
that
they're
renting
out,
but
maybe
you
can
kind
of
cover
some
of
that.
So
the
landlords
who
are
here
know
what
this
is
for,
but
maybe
we
can
collectively
reassure
them
that
we're
thinking
about
their
point
and
their
issues
and
trying
to
get
other
funding
from
other
places.
I
Okay,
thank
you,
sarah
flax,
housing
and
grants
manager.
Thank
you,
chairwind
and
members
of
the
committee,
the
band
this
grant,
even
though
it
has
a
rather
grandiose
name
of
strong
communities,
is
really
very
much
like
the
abandoned
properties
grant
which
we
have
been
receiving
in
the
past,
which
is
exactly
what
alderman
wilson
was
talking
about.
It
is
to
take
care
of
properties
that
are
vacant
and
are
really
dragging
down
the
neighborhoods
that
they're
in
they
have.
There
are
a
number
of
requirements
to
be
considered
an
eligible
property.
I
The
interesting
thing
is
the
really
the
biggest
difference
between
this
and
the
abandoned
properties
program
is
that
you
can
use
some
funds
very
small
up
to
five
thousand
dollar
per
property
to
be
used
for
acquisition,
which
is
really
limited
to
doing
things
like
paying
some
of
the
legal
fees
and
things
like
that
tracking
down.
I
Getting
title
searches,
so
you
can
actually
figure
out
whose
property
is
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
it's
not
the
paragraph
that
we
put
in
as
the
description
is
actually
ida's
description
of
their
program,
so
it
you
know
it.
It
is
something
that
enables
us
to
do
property
maintenance
so
that
we
can
do
some
of
the
care
of
these
properties
that
are
dragging
down
neighborhoods,
but
it
is.
It
really
is
not
something
that
can
help
our
landlords.
I
And
we
have
a
two-year
period
over
which
to
expend
this,
and
it
is
something
that
we
are
paid
only
on
a
reimbursement
basis.
After
we
have
done
the
work.
E
A
question
yeah,
I
was
just
wondering
so,
do
we
have
some
properties
in
mind
that
are
good
candidates
for
this
program.
I
I
don't
have
that
list
with
me,
but
they
are
properties
generally,
that
are
on
the
vacant
property
registry.
You
know
and
and
ones
that
we
are
really
working
on
trying
to
keep
from
negatively
impacting
the
neighborhood.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
comments
all
right.
This
is
a
resolution.
So,
ms
9,
would
you
call
the
role
please
alderman
said.
F
C
All
right,
aldrin,
wilson,
aye
alderman,
ray
simmons,
alderman
sufferden.
A
All
right,
okay,
well
now,
let's
move
on
to
p2
is
ordinance
12021,
granting
a
major
adjustment
to
a
planned
development
located
at
811
emerson
street
staff
in
the
planned
commission.
Recommend
city
council
adopt
this
ordinance
and
approve
a
major
adjustment
to
a
plan
development
at
811
emerson,
which
was
originally
approved
as
ordinance
number
37017.
A
A
Should
the
adjustment
be
approved,
the
following
conditions
are
recommended,
one
that
the
building
residents
not
be
eligible
for
on-street
parking
permits
and
two
that
the
applicant
provide
the
city
with
building
vehicle
ownership
data
on
an
annual
basis
to
ensure
that
the
building
resident
demand
for
parking
is
met
and
reserve
the
right
of
the
city
to
require
an
increase
in
the
number
of
parking
spaces
available
for
residents.
This
is
for
introduction.
C
No
comments
from
steph,
I
believe
vic
howell
from
focus
is
on.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant.
E
So
the
plan
commission
minutes
talked
about
that.
I
think
they
saw
some
actual
parking
lease
documents
which
I
don't
think
we
have,
because
I'm
just
wondering
the
october
parking
study
talked
about
on
that
one
thursday
morning
that
there
were
96
vehicles
in
the
parking
structure.
I'm
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
reducing
the
number
to
be
provided
too
significantly.
D
Yeah,
absolutely
I
can
speak
to
that.
Thank
you.
The
the
parking
study
was
done,
as
you
mentioned
on
october
1st,
which
was
a
thursday
through
that
weekend
through
the
sunday
of
that
weekend.
That
also
happened
to
be
the
build
the
building
fully
stabilized
in
september
of
of
that
year.
So
then
october
1st
was
actually
the
first
move-in
day
for
the
the
largest
capacity
of
residents
moving
into
the
building.
D
So
we
found
obviously
that
there
were
a
lot
more
cars
in
and
out
of
the
garage
there
was
less
policing
at
that
time.
A
lot
of
people
assisting
with
move-ins
and
typically
are
primarily
on
the
the
floor.
That
is
not
secured
parking
for
residents,
but
we
noticed
obviously,
as
you
get
through
the
weekend,
those
kind
of
trail
off
and
by
saturday
and
sunday
we're
well
below
that
sort
of
an
85
number
as
that
capacity.
D
So
we
see
that,
as
is
probably
the
the
max
that
that
we
would
get
for
for
additional
vehicles
outside
of
residents
coming
into
the
building
and
of
course,
if
this
were
made
with
public
parking,
we
would
require
any
outside
vehicles
to
to
pay
for
that
parking.
So
we
we
see
it
as
an
anomaly,
but
it
does
give
us
a
sense
of
the
scale
of
how
many
vehicles
would
use
the
space
even
on
the
probably
busiest
weekend
for
the
residents
of
the
building.
F
J
Yes
thanks,
madam
chair,
I
just
want
to
point
the
committee's
attention
to
the
fact
that
this
is
a
very
unusual
intersection
when
we
have
students
moving
into
campus.
Normally,
we've
had
a
problem
with
parents
and
other
people
parking
on
emerson,
double
parking
and
unloading,
and
actually
it
seems
now
that
they're
using
this
building
and
using
the
parking
in
the
building,
which
is
helpful
and
which
I
think
speaks
to
that
anomaly.
J
So
the
other
benefit
to
this
is
that
there
it's
a
very
heavily
parked
area
and
it's
going
to
provide
some
off-street
parking
to
residents
who
live
in
the
area
who
may
live
in
a
vintage
building.
That
has
absolutely
no
parking
at
all.
So
I
I
see
this
as
a
benefit
to
the
community.
J
I
hope
it
works
out
that
way
and
with
the
best
of
intentions
and
continued
conversation.
I
look
forward
to
supporting
this
okay.
A
Any
other
questions
or
comments
all
right.
Ms
nidin,
would
you
please
call
the
role.
H
C
A
Excellent
all
right,
let's
move
on
to
p3,
which
is
ordinance
11021,
extending
the
time
for
the
applicant
to
obtain
a
building
permit
for
910
to
938
custer
avenue.
The
staff
recommends
city
council
adoption
of
this
ordinance
to
extend
the
time
frame
for
the
commencement
of
construction
of
the
planned
development
at
910
to
938
custer
avenue,
originally
approved
on
april
8
2019
and
previously
granted
a
one-year
extension
to
april
13
2021.
A
B
I
I
did
just
a
reminder.
My
understanding
is.
This
is
largely
related
to
the
fact
that
the
principal
of
the
development
team
had
passed
away.
So
obviously
there's
some
delays
in
conjunction
with
that.
So
I'm
very
sad
that
that
had
happened,
and
hopefully
they'll
get
everything
you
know
situated
and
back
on
track.
H
A
All
right,
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
is
ordinance.
P4
excuse
me:
p4
ordinance,
13021,
a
zoning
tax
amendment
to
permit
the
establishment
and
regulation
of
efficiency,
homes,
plan,
commission
and
staff.
Recommend
the
council
adopt
this
ordinance,
a
zoning
text
amendment
to
permit
the
establishment
and
regulation
of
efficiency
homes.
This
establishes
a
definition
for
efficiency
homes,
which
we
all
know,
is
tiny
homes
and
establishes
regulations
for
their
construction
and
use
within
residential
districts.
A
Alderman
fisk,
I
believe
you
no
longer
are
requesting
the
suspension
of
the
rules.
Is
that
correct.
J
B
J
Very
much
in
support
of
this
as
well,
but
I
think
the
concerns
that
have
come
up
are,
with
the
side,
yard,
setbacks
and
how
a
three-foot
side
yard
said
that
might
impact
an
adjacent
property
owner,
for
example,
and
what
we
can
do
to
ensure
that
there
is
a
conversation,
that's
going
on
with
again
adjacent
property
owners
who
might
who
might
view
this
as
as
intrusive
into
their
next
to
their
homes.
So
I
I
want
to
try
to
figure
out
how
we
have
that
conversation.
J
I
mean
one
of
the
ways
that
we
could
do
that
would
be
by
making
these
a
special
use
or
by
I
think,
alderman
wilson.
You
had
an
idea
of
maybe
inserting
some
of
the
language
from
our.
You
know
some
of
the.
What
is
it
was
it
vacation
rentals
or
that
we
might
consider,
but
I
I
would
rather
have
the
conversation
with
neighbors
ahead
of
time.
J
I've
had
a
number
of
instances
in
my
ward
recently
on
garage
building
where
garages
were
built
very
close
and
actually
blocked
the
views
of
adjacent
properties,
and
they
were
built
as
a
bright.
So
I'm
I
just
want
to
encourage
a
little
bit
more
community
and
neighborhood
conversation
before
a
tiny
home
is
built
and
I'm
absolutely
open
to
hearing
what
suggestions
from
the
rest
of
you,
because
I
don't.
I
don't
have
the
answer
for
that.
J
It
may
be
that
special
use
is
too
stringent
to
an
approach
there
may
be,
you
know,
other
alternatives
that
I'm
just
not
thinking
of
that
you.
You
guys
have
an
idea
about.
A
Well,
I
I
thank
you
ultimate
fisk.
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
I
had
talked
to
ms
knighton
earlier
in
the
day
and
about
the
three
foot
side,
yard
setback
and
to
find
out
a
little
bit
more
about
why
staff
was
recommending
that
and
ms
knighton
sent
us
all
an
email
about
that
issue
at
4,
00
p.m.
So,
okay!
A
So,
ms
knighton,
would
you
like
to
talk
about
that
a
little
bit,
because
I
think
there's
a
a
little
bit
of
a
question
as
to
is
that
is
that
too
small,
a
side
yard
setback?
A
And
what
was
what
was
the
discussion
at
the
planned
commission
and
the
zoning
committee
meetings
about
that
issue
because
it
sounds
like
there?
There
was
some
discussion
and
it's
it,
and
I
think
it
is
something
that
at
least
one
resident
has
raised
with
me,
though,.
C
Okay,
sure
so,
yes,
it
did
come
up
during
the
discussion
at
the
zoning
committee
deployment,
commission
and
the
plant
commission
and
one
of
the
two
things
one.
We
have
quite
a
number
of
homes
in
evanston
that
already
have
a
three-foot
side,
yard
setback
and
quote-unquote
naturally
occurring
and
those
homes.
Often
some
of
those
homes
we've
seen
come
through
for
variances
because
they
want
to
add
additions
to
their
home,
so
they
remain
they're
effectively.
Maintaining
the
three
foot
side,
yard
setback
they're
going
through
a
variant.
C
So,
as
alderman
fisk
noted
there
is
some
community
information
provided
that
information
is
shared,
whether
it's
a
minor
or
a
major
variance
depending
on
that
kind
of
thing.
So
people
are
aware
of
that.
Our
the
perception
is,
these:
are
smaller
homes,
they're
smaller
buildings,
so
it's
not
a
regular
single-family
home
being
built
on
these
lots
of
smaller
homes,
so
where
you
may
have
a
closer
side,
yard
setback,
smaller
side
yard
setback,
you
have
maybe
a
shorter
building,
not
as
much
bulk,
it's
not
as
big
of
a
building.
C
So
it's
the
the
side,
yard
setback
isn't
as
intense
if
it
was
a
larger
single-family
home.
A
traditional
single-family
home
and
then
the
other
item
that
came
up
during
the
discussion
was
the
fact
that
these
are
in
some
ways
on
scale
to
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
a
coach
house,
even
a
garage
and
those
those
properties,
those
accessory
uses
accessory
uses
have
a
three
foot
side:
yard
setback.
B
And
as
as
we're,
you
know
working
our
way
towards
the
next
time,
it's
from
front
of
us,
particularly
in
view
of
the
fact
that
I
think
from
my
from
my
perspective.
One
of
the
things
I
want
to
do
is
have
an
as
of.
B
Or
you.
B
Of
parameters
I
did
feel
like
the
the
height
allowance,
seemed
a
little
on
the
high
end
of
the
spectrum
for
this
type
of
property.
28
feet
is
or
two
stories
you
know,
that's.
That
seems
like
kind
of
a
tall
two
stories,
as
is
for
a
quote
tiny,
so
that
seems
more
in
line
with
you
know
the
height
of
a
regular
house,
so
I
just
would
like
to
get
a
better
analysis
of
the
analysis
of
the
massing
and
how
that's
actually
going
to
play
out.
B
The
other
thing
might
be
to
consider
price
point
as
far
as
maybe
tying
that
into
the
as
of
right
kind
of
idea
here,
because
you
know
again,
300
000
is
you
know
not
all
that
inexpensive,
I
think
for
most
people.
So
that's
not.
B
I
guess
what
I
really
really
visualize
is
a
you
know
quote
unquote
tiny
home,
but
I
realize
we're
kind
of
really
actually
looking
at
something
in
between
you
know
what
you
see
in
those
you
know,
tv
shows
or
whatever,
but
just
to
kind
of
look
at
those
dimensions,
consider
the
massing
and
make
sure
that
we
have
a
better
visualization
of
that
as
we're.
You
know
choosing
whether
what
the
parameters
are
going
to
be
for
the
as
of
right
and
to
consider
the
possibility
of
bringing
that
price
price
point
into
the.
A
Any
any
other
questions
or
comments,
alderman
revel.
E
Well,
when
I
think
when
we
start
talking
about
the
price
point,
I
think
this
these
are
probably
more
missing
middle
as
sort
of
the
target
audience
for
these,
rather
than
you
know,
lower
income
residents.
E
And-
and
so
I
I
do-
support
this
being
a
permitted
use
and
something
that
that
we
can
see
in
all
parts
of
our
community
to
make
this
available
throughout
our
community.
E
I
like
the
fact
that
we
kept
the
permeable
surface
requirements
unchanged,
because
that
would
be
the
other
another
concern
of
having
too
much
hardscape
to,
and
you
know
that
it
might
affect
the
stormwater
management
for
the
neighboring
properties.
E
E
Important
way
to
provide
a
greater
range
of
houses
in
in
evanston,
so
I
mean
I,
I
think
the
the
height
requirement
is
is
the
same
as
what
we're
saying
for
the
adus
is,
that
is
that
correct,
johanna.
F
A
I
I
was
you
know
I
I
was
someone
who
raised
and
discussed
this
with
johanna,
this
three-point
side,
yard
setback,
and
then
we
were,
as
we
were
talking.
I
was
realizing
looking
at
the
map
that
these
are
all
some
of
these
are
very
odd,
shaped
lots
and
that
having
it
having
a
larger
setback
might
make
it
make
the
tiny
house
impossible
to
have
or
sort
of
ridiculously
narrow.
A
So
I
think
that
that
that
is
something
that
I
understand
and
I
and
I
I
am
somewhat
reluctant
to
have
them-
become
special
uses,
because
then
the
process
becomes
cumbersome
for
anyone
who
wants
to
to
move
forward
with
this,
and
considering
that
we
that
we
have
approximately
35
lots
in
evanston
that
would
meet
this
definition.
A
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
a
flood
of
them,
and
and
and
I
do
think
that
as
alderman
rebel
says,
this
is
aimed
more
for
the
missing
middle
and
it's
no
not
I
mean
tiny
houses
are
certainly
not
for
everyone,
certainly
probably
not
during
this
winter,
but
there
is
a
demand
for
them,
and
this
does
provide
that
niche,
and
so
I
think
that
I'd
like
to
see
more
information
from
the
staff,
but
otherwise
I
I
think
I
I
agree.
A
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
move
forward
on,
because
those
lots
are
unbuildable
and
we've
seen
the
difficulty
we've
had
with
some
of
our
unbuildable
lots.
So
this
is
an
opportunity
to
actually
create
a
dwelling
unit
that
uses
those
lots.
J
Yeah
johanna
is:
is
it
possible
to
to
craft
something
where
we're
looking
at
each
lot
individually
and
rather
than
having
a
three
foot
side,
yard
setback
to
say
within
a
certain
number
of
feet,
from
an
existing
neighboring
dwelling?
J
I
just
again,
I
I
don't
want
to
create
a
situation
where
neighbors
are
fighting
with
neighbors
over
what's
blocking
their
view
out
their
kitchen
window.
So
I'm
just
sort
of
searching
for
something.
C
We
could
certainly
think
about
what
that
might
look.
I
think
I
understand
what
your
concerns
are
and
we've
talked
about
them
in
regards
to
other
properties.
In
terms
of
you
know,
distance
from
another
property.
I
think
I
think
these
lots
are
just
so
irregular
that
gets
a
little
challenging
in
terms
of
having
a
having
a
buildable
lot
effectively
and
because.
J
A
three-yard
setback
might
be
fine
on
a
lot
where
the
the
tiny
house
is
going
to
be
10
feet
from
a
principal
building
on
a
neighboring
lot,
for
example,
but
if
you're,
if
you
have
a
a
building,
that's
three
feet
from
a
property
line
and
then
you're
at
you're
adding
another
house.
That's
another
three!
That's
six
feet,
that's
you
know,
that's
basically,
my
height
plus,
you
know
another
foot
or
another
half
foot
and
that's
not
very
much.
J
All
sorts
of
issues
that
that
could
be
addressed
by
looking
at
them
individually.
I
understand
what
everybody
says
about
the
the
special
uses
and-
and
I
and
I
understand
that
I
think
that's
that's
right,
but
I
think
we've
got
to
figure
this
out
on
the
map.
There
are
none
of
these
in
my
ward,
but
I've
had
a
lot
of
experience
over
the
past
year
or
two
with
situations
exactly
like
this,
and
I
know
how
how
frustrating
it
is
for
residents-
and
I
want
to
be
sensitive
to
that.
A
Well,
ultimate
fisk.
I
recognize
what
you're
saying
I
you
know.
I.
I
would
think
that
anyone
who
wants
to
build
one
of
these
efficiency
houses
on
one
of
these
lots
would
probably
want
to
have
the
most
space
have
the
biggest
side
yard
setback
on
both
sides
that
they
could
possibly
have
because
just
for
their
own
advantage.
A
But
there
might
be
some
instance
in
which
it's
possible
to
have
the
that
three
foot
set
back
and
it
doesn't
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
neighboring
property.
Sure.
J
Right
and
that's
what
that's,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
we
can
figure
out
a
way
as
we're
looking
at
these
irregularly
shaped
lots.
I
mean
how
we
can
achieve
both
goals
of
build.
You
know
allowing
the
tiny
house,
but
also
giving
some
respite
to
the
adjacent
property
owners
if
the,
if
that's
what
they
want,
maybe
they
don't
care,
but
well.
A
I
think
I
do
I
think
if
people
have
been
living
next
to
one
of
these
small
lots
and
it
hasn't
been
built
on
it
probably
is
they
probably
have
been
enjoying
the
open
space.
So
I
think
we're
going
to
end
up
the
city
will
end
up
with
people
not
always
liking
the
change,
but
you
know
if
it
does
allow
for
35
households
to
take
up
to
and
move
into
evanston
and
in
these
type
of
housing.
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
for
the
community.
A
Change
is
hard
I
and
I
will
also
say
I
live
in
a
house
a
hundred
year
old
house
that
is
built
three
feet
from
the
lot
line
and
mine.
My
neighbor
to
the
south
house
is
from
1903
and
it
is
about
three
and
a
half
feet
from
the
lot
line.
A
H
B
A
All
right
with
that,
we
have
concluded
our
agenda
and
we
shall
adjourn
and
the
council
meeting
is
set
to
start
at.
A
Can
we
have
the
council
start
at?
Let's
have
the
council
start
at
six
o'clock?
So
we
don't
surprise
anybody.