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B
Okay,
any
additions
or
Corrections;
okay,
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
already
we're
going
to
change
the
agenda
around
a
little
bit
I'm
going
to
set
aside
15
minutes
for
discussion
of
the
three
unrelated
rule,
we'll
begin
with
citizen
comment
that
won't
be
included
in
the
15
minutes,
but
will
first
take
citizen
comment
on
that
issue
and
then
have
a
discussion
for
15
minutes.
As
far
as
I
know,
there
won't
be
any
decision
made
on
that
tonight.
It's
mainly
for
committee
discussion
at
this
point,
so
I
will
call
up
the.
B
The
item
is
three
unrelated
rule:
its
definition
of
family
and
regulations
regarding
occupancy
of
dwelling
units
staff
requests
direction
on
next
steps
relating
to
the
zoning
code,
definition
of
family
and
related
regulations
on
occupancy
of
dwelling
units
commonly
known
as
the
three
unrelated
rule.
The
City
Council
referred
this
discussion
of
this
subject
to
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
at
its
meeting
on
April
30th
2018.
So
that's
for
discussion
and
to
provide
direction
to
staff,
so
I
will
call
up
those
signed
up
to
speak
again.
D
Thank
you.
Madam
chairman,
members
of
the
committee
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you.
My
name
is
Dave
Schoenfeld
I
live
at
2013,
I
Norrington
I've
lived
there
about
22
years
and
I'm
here
to
ask
you
not
to
throw
out
the
three
unrelated
rule.
Wholesale
I've
been
a
member
of
the
northwestern
neighbors
Association
for
that
entire
to
decade
period.
What
I've
lived
on
oaring
ttan
and
we
have
worked
very
very
hard
within
the
community
as
I
know.
D
A
number
of
you
know
to
preserve
and
sustain
the
residential
character
of
that
neighborhood,
the
neighborhoods
under
constant
pressure.
Anyone
who
has
lived
there
spent
any
time
nearly
an
elite.
University
knows
about
the
kind
of
pressure
that
it
faces.
Bill
gage
has
bought
a
house
in
Hyde
Park.
We
all
saw
that
we
have
people,
try
to
buy
homes
and
move
large
groups
of
students
in
I'm,
not
going
to
talk
about
specific
instances
going
over.
My
neighbors
will
tell
you
about
baseball
teams.
D
I'll
tell
you
about
wrestling
teams
that
have
been
occupying
single-family
homes
in
the
neighborhood
or
the
people,
try
to
buy
them
and
move
entire
athletic
teams
and
larger
groups
into
homes
in
that
neighborhood
and
that's
got
a
huge
impact.
I
have
a
huge
impact
on
those
neighbors,
the
just
as
an
example
of
what's
happening,
though,
just
last
month,
the
home
right
behind
me
across
the
alley,
was
advertised
by
a
Glenview
realtor,
specifically
to
investors
and
developers.
D
So
if
you
know,
there's
no
one
in
that
conversation,
who's
got
an
actual
interest
in
our
community
or
even
necessarily
in
Evanston,
accept
a
financial
profit
interest,
but
I
want
to
focus
with
a
couple
minutes.
I've
got
on
the
fact
that
it
this
appears
to
be
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem,
certainly
as
it
affects
our
neighborhood
I
read
the
staff
mmmm.
Oh
I
I,
look
at
the
problems
that
they
identify
in
the
current
statute.
D
They
list
a
number
of
types
of
residents
or
groups
of
residents
that
they
say
would
you
know
as
to
which
the
ordinance
is
confusing,
and
presumably
these
are
the
most
important
examples
of
the
problems
that
staff
sees.
So
they
ask:
how
does
this
apply
to
unmarried
couples,
to
same-sex
couples,
to
extended
families
with
elderly
parents
or
multiple
generations
residing
together
or
adults
caring
for
children
who
are
not
related
to
them?
D
Well,
if
you
look
at
the
ordinance
at
the
definitions
of
family,
every
single
one
of
those
is
clearly
within
the
definition
of
family
under
the
current
ordinance,
so
there's
no
need
to
throw
out
the
entire
definition
of
family
simply
to
protect
these
groups,
because
they're
already
protected.
If
there
are
other
specific
groups
such
as,
and
people
have
mentioned
elderly
homeowners
who
are
looking
for
income,
if
there
are
some
of
those
who
need
more
than
two
people
to
reside
with
them.
D
It's
also
unclear
to
me
at
all
why
this
would
be
a
need
in
our
neighborhood
in
particular,
I'm,
also
in
addition
being
involved
with
the
Association
on
the
city
university
committee
and
we've
talked
a
lot
with
the
university
executives
about
their
land.
Their
use
of
their
there
they're
expanding
their
dorms
to
have
more
kids
through
freshman
and
sophomore
year,
live
on
campus,
and
so
the
conversations
we've
had
it's
not
been
about.
Where
are
there
going
to
be
housing
opportunities
off
campus
for
students?
D
It's
what's
going
to
happen
to
the
off-campus
housing
as
the
university
builds
more
housing
and
has
more
students
living
on
campus.
So
again,
this
looks
like
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem
from
where
we
said.
We
would
ask
you
not
to
throw
out
the
role
the
rural
wholesale,
but
look
at
it.
If
there
are
specific
needs
for
adjustment,
make
those
at
a
thoughtful
way
and
I
just
throw
out
the
whole
rule.
All
that
will
do
will
be
to
abandon
the
niche,
the
neighborhood
to
outside
developers
outside
Realtors
for
no
useful
game.
E
Good
evening,
thank
you,
everyone,
the
previous
speaker,
talked
about
this
being
a
solution
of
searching
for
a
solution
to
this
problem
or
some
of
that
words.
But
the
case
is
not
that
many
students
have
come
to
this
council
as
well
as
this
committee,
to
talk
about
the
problems
that
do
exist
as
really
as
in
relation
to
this
ordinance.
E
Landlords
have
extorted
students
asking
them
to
pay
for
more
money,
as
they've
tried
to
go
up
and
complain
about
problems
such
as
mold
flooding
in
their
apartments,
but
they
can't
go
to
the
city
because
they're
afraid
of
being
evicted
as
as
a
cause
of
this
unrelated
ordinance,
I
I
understand
there
are
rowdy
students,
but
it's
a
very
small
portion
of
students
who
are
causing
problems.
We
already
have
ordinances
in
this
city.
The
noise
ordinance
the
nuisance,
ordinance,
property
standards
that
can
address
these
problems.
E
The
three
unrelated
ordinance
paints
a
broad
brush
that
puts
a
lot
of
students,
students
who
are
trying
to
find
affordable
housing
in
the
city
at
a
significant
disadvantage.
The
thing
is,
the
status
quo
is
existed
for
a
long
time.
A
large
portion
of
students
are
forced
to
violate
this
ordinance.
Keeping
it
in
place
is
just
going
to
continue
the
problems
that
already
exist.
Something
has
to
get
but
I'm
very
glad.
E
The
City
Council
and
this
committee
is
finally
addressing
this
problem
and
I
really
urge
you
all
to
carefully
consider
the
different
options
of
it,
whether
it
be
a
full-scale
repeal
or
something
else,
but
something
has
to
get
when
the
status
quo
cannot
continue,
where
students
are
left
vulnerable
as
early
as
a
result
of
this
ordinance
that
continues
to
plague
them.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
Thank
You
Jeanne
Lynde
wall
I
would
like
to
encourage
you
to
retain
the
definition
of
family
as
it
exists,
I
think
it's
really
critical.
That
residents
of
Evanston
have
some
certainty
when
they're
dealing
with
potential
changes
to
neighbors
I
have
my
neighbor's
house,
just
salt,
it's
sold
to
an
investor.
I
live
in
a
zoning
district
that
allows
one
or
two
family
dwellings.
F
So
it's
quite
conceivable
that
the
investor
who's
purchasing
the
property
may
choose
to
transform
what
had
been
a
single-family
house
into
a
two-family
dwelling
which
is
permitted
under
the
zoning
ordinance
and
I'm
fine
with
that.
But
what
I
do
want
to
know
is
you
know
what
the
certainty
is
is
that
the
two
dwelling
units
would
be
leased
either
to
three
unrelated
people
or
a
family,
or
you
know
various
permutations
of
families,
because
I
think
all
are
allowed
under
our
ordinance.
F
But
you
know:
I
have
been
living
in
my
house
for
40
plus
years
now,
and
there's
been
in
that
definition
of
family
has
been.
That
definition
has
been
in
place
most
of
that
time.
I
think
that
this
is
not
while
it
certainly
impacts
the
area
around
the
University.
This
is
an
issue
that
impacts
the
anyone
in
Evanston.
F
There
is
nothing
to
preclude
if
you
eliminate
the
definition
of
family,
or
at
least
the
the
limitation
on
two
three,
then
you
would
have
the
potential
of
essentially
having
informal
rooming
houses
anywhere
in
Evanston
that
are
not
inspected,
they're,
not
licensed
and
I.
Don't
think
that
that
necessarily
protects
anyone
I'm,
you
know
I
can't
say
you
know.
F
If
we're
dealing
with
students
who
choose
to
violate
the
zoning
definitions,
I
can't
say
that
I'm
particularly
sympathetic
to
that
I
believe
that
all
rental
housing
should
be
well-maintained
it
should
anybody
should
be
able
to
have
their
property
inspected,
but
I
think
that
really
having
a
certainty
of
rules
which
the
family
definition
provides,
really
protects
everyone
in
evanston,
not
just
you
know
this.
This
really
is
not
just
a
university
issue.
It
you
know,
can
happen
anywhere
and
I
think
that
it's
important
to
maintain
high
quality
housing
standards.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
Jean
Noreen
Edwards.
G
Hello,
I'm
Noreen
Edwards,
live
at
2125,
Sherman
I've
lived
there
for
38
years.
I
can
share
a
bit
of
history
about
our
Block
in
neighborhood.
There
are
17
homes
on
our
block
on
our
side
of
the
street,
between
the
townhouses
to
the
south
and
the
co-op
on
the
north.
Historically,
there
have
been
only
five
or
six
homes
on
our
block
that
had
an
apartment,
and
they
were
mostly
on
the
third
floor.
G
Moreover,
when
we
moved
here,
there
was
only
one
home
on
the
block.
Only
one
home
that
was
not
occupied
by
the
homeowner
on
our
block
as
homes
have
changed,
hands
more
single-family
homes
have
been
scooped
up
by
investors
and
packed
with
students.
They
can
rent
bedrooms
for
800
or
more
per
month,
800
per
person
for
a
bedroom,
and
then
they
just
try
to
get
as
many
students
as
they
can
there's
a
limit
of
three
unrelated
persons,
but
many
landlords
routinely
break
the
law
and
have
four
or
more
per
unit.
G
They
also
rent
second
floors
or
attic
spaces
out
as
if
they
had
always
been
separate
units
as
neighbors.
We
can
easily
see
people
coming
and
going
and
all
the
garbage
and
the
parties,
the
the
city,
inspects
only
every
two
years.
I
think
my
understanding
is
that
they
cannot
in
just
upon
entering
an
apartment
unless
the
tenant
requests
it.
G
G
So
what
is
the
financial
picture
for
landlords
assuming
$800
per
month
in
rent
and
12
months
rental,
the
annual
gross
income
for
six
tenants?
So
that
would
be
like
the
first
and
second
floor
apartment
is
57
over
$57,000
of
gross
incoming
year
810
its
76
thousand.
When
you
get
to
10
tenants
which
some
of
these
buildings
they
will,
they
do
put
10
tenants
in
that's
almost
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
income.
G
So
the
the
investor
has
a
huge
amount
at
stake
here
or
a
huge
amount
of
profit
potential,
and
but
they
have,
they
have
no
incentive
to
maintain
homes.
The
way
that
we
like
to
maintain
our
home
and
other
people
in
our
neighborhood
they're
only
incentive
is
to
put
the
most
number
of
students
in
and
do
the
minimum
amount
of
maintenance,
and
that's
frequently
done
only
after
we
complain.
G
So
this
puts
the
onus
of
responsibility
on
us
neighbors
and
who
have
to
act
like
enforcers
and
police
and
report
unruly
and
illegal
behavior
and
below
standard
housing
violations.
It's
tiresome
and
stressful
and
doesn't
build
good
relationships
with
our
neighbors,
and
we
fear
that
more
single-family
owners
will
get
tired
and
give
up
and
sell
to
investors.
Is
that
what
we
want
for
Sherman,
Avenue
north
of
downtown?
Is
that
what
we
want
for
the
Northeast
Evanston
national,
historic
district
I?
Don't
think
so?
G
G
B
H
Good
evening
my
name's
mark
Metz
I
live
at
21
25
Sherman
Avenue,
where
I've
lived
for
more
than
35
years,
so
I
have
a
deep
long-term
perspective
of
the
issues
affecting
our
neighborhood.
You
have
heard,
or
you
will
hear
plenty
of
stories
about
overcrowded
and
illegally
occupied
rental
housing
in
the
neighborhood,
adjacent
to
nu,
you've
seen
or
will
see,
photos
and
poorly
kept
up
rental
properties
and
garbage
strewn
yards
that
isn't
enough.
H
You
can
drive
the
streets
of
our
neighborhood
on
any
warm
weekend
morning
in
the
spring
or
the
fall
and
see
for
yourself
the
detrás
of
students
yard
parties
from
the
prior
night.
It
is
an
irrefutable
fact
that
the
neighborhood
has
experienced
some
decline
over
the
last
thirty
years,
as
the
number
of
owner-occupied
houses
has
declined,
and
the
number
of
absentee
landlord
owners
has
increased.
Currently,
the
only
thing
keeping
this
situation
somewhat
in
check
is
the
three
unrelated
rule:
remove
that
without
additional
remedies
and
the
degradation
of
the
area
is
sure
to
accelerate.
H
Well,
let's
talk
for
a
minute
about
who
wins.
If
you
move
the
three
three
unrelated
rule,
well,
those
in
need
of
affordable
housing
and
Evanston
win
not
in
our
neighborhood.
Certainly
not
rents
in
our
neighborhood
are
expensive.
Prices
are
driven
by
the
northwestern
university
student
market.
The
idea
that
allowing
landlords
to
pack
and
more
students
will
cause
rents
to
go
down.
It's
naive
that
our
revenue
will
fall
straight
to
the
bottom
lines
of
the
landlord's.
H
Moreover,
high
rents
have
driven
sale
prices
up
often
for
closing
opportunities
for
families
to
purchase
buildings
and
clearly
making
properties
less
affordable
in
our
neighborhood.
Well,
the
students
win,
not
in
my
view,
it
will
be
packed
in
more
tightly
and
given
that
there
is
little
or
no
oversight
by
the
city,
renters
may
be
less
safe.
Rents
will
remain
high,
well
resident
owners
win.
Of
course
not.
We
face
further
deterioration
of
our
neighborhood
and
the
prospect
of
being
overrun
by
crowded
student
housing.
H
Well,
Northwestern,
University
win
an
overcrowded
student
ghetto
near
campus,
can't
be
good
for
any
news
image.
Also,
the
concept
of
in
loco
parentis
is
as
strong
as
ever
so.
Nu
has
an
interest
in
maintaining
high
standards
for
student
housing.
What
about
the
city
of
Evanston
drive
around
any
Big,
Ten,
campus
and
you'll
know
when
you
go
through
the
student
ghetto
you'll
know.
Do
we
really
want
that
right
along
the
northern
gateway
to
downtown
the
reality
is
that
the
only
winners
will
be
landlords,
mostly
absentee
landlords
who
don't
even
live
in
Evanston?
H
Why
would
we
even
consider
eliminating
this
rule
without
implementing
other
fixes?
Even
if
there
is
data
and
I
I,
don't
know
that
there
is
data
that
suggests
that
removal
of
this
rule
will
have
a
significant
impact
on
affordable
housing
at
Evanston.
How
can
we
throw
an
entire
large
neighborhood
under
the
bus
at
the
same
time?
H
Do
not
use
such
a
blunt
instrument
to
try
to
cure
the
dearth
of
affordable
housing.
Delicate
surgery
is
called
for.
I
have
long
championed
this
city,
council
and
the
city
of
staff.
You
are
bright,
a
bright
and
capable
Bunch
I
know
you
can
figure
this
out.
There's
got
to
be
a
way
to
solve
the
problems
of
affordable
housing
for
everybody
in
Evanston,
without
destroying
our
neighborhood
or
anybody
else's
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
I
Good
evening
my
name
is
Craig.
Schneider
I've
been
here
one
time
before
I'm
the
Judy's
district
I'm,
the
neighbor
of
the
Matz's
David's
I,
think
I
have
the
unique
distinction.
I
came
here
in
1978
to
go
to
Northwestern
music
school
of
being
a
student
that
love
the
neighborhood
specifically
that
area
so
much
that
when
I
got
married
and
wanted
to
have
my
own
family
I
stayed
there
and
my
wife,
dr.
Solley
who's.
I
Three
degrees
from
Northwestern
is
also
here
to
in
support
and
our
children
have
grown
up
in
this
area
played
in
the
parks,
played
basketball
and
fan,
we're
huge
Fleetwood,
Jourdain
fans,
one
child
graduated
from
ETH
s.
Another
is
graduating,
he's
on
the
baseball
teams.
Gonna
play
baseball
at
Carthage
College,
so
Evanston
has
been
a
great
community
for
us
to
be
get
our
education
and
also
for
us
to
be
a
part
of
this
community.
I
So
again,
I
think
that
the
unique
perspective
of
having
lived
in
the
quote
student
ghetto
I
lived
on
829
Simpson
for
a
long
time
that
is
between
Sherman
and
maple
right
next
to
the
L
tracks.
So
that
area
when
I
was
in
school
was
all
students,
and
it
was
great
we
weren't
bothering
anybody
at
all
worked
I,
always
admired
the
houses
that
I
ended
up
living
in.
I
Ironically
right,
we
we
looked
at
them
and
we
always
looked
at
that
block,
even
as
students
likes
Wow
someday,
we
aspire
to
be
able
and
the
confluence
of
students,
and
there
were
some
elderly
folks
in
the
apartment
in
the
building's
just
down
the
block
from
us
and
the
families,
it
was
a
beautiful
mixture.
It
really
was
unfortunately,
what's
happened.
I
think
again,
I
have
a
unique
perspective.
To
speak.
To
this,
what's
happened
is
that
block
has
changed
drastically
with
development
and
people
stuffing
people
in
buildings
and
apartments,
not
maintaining
them
about
numbers
person.
I
I
Thanks
to
Judy,
we
found
out
I
want
to
say
year-and-a-half
ago
that
our
neighbor,
sadly
were
selling
their
home
and
decided
and
I
implored
them
to.
Please
try
and
sell
to
another
family.
If
there's
anything
I
could
do
to
be
a
part
of
that
process.
Please
we
were
very
proactive.
Whatever
you
do,
please
don't
sell
to
someone
who's
going
to
turn
it
into
a
rooming
house.
You've
heard
the
stories
of
other
situations
on
our
block.
Wrestlers
buying
houses
and
I
mean
wrestlers
moving
in
houses,
other
teams
moving
into
the
houses.
I
So,
unfortunately
the
worst
case
scenario
did
occur.
A
gal
this
was
was
told
that
this
was
a
student
investment
property
from
a
realtor
from
outside
of
our
community.
She
was
on
the
impression
that
she
could
fill
our
the
house
directly
next
to
us
with
the
Northwestern
baseball
team.
Basically,
she
was
buying
it
for
her
kit.
I
think
was
an
eight
hundred
thousand
dollar
house
that
she
was
paying
cash
for.
Besides
being
dumbfounded,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
housing
around,
but
that's
fine!
That's
it's
a
free
country!
Louie!
I
We
live
in
a
capitalist
country.
I
get
it
that's
fine.
They
were
buying
this
as
an
investment
property.
We
had
to
work
very,
very
hard
to
protect
ourselves
and
the
neighbor
and
them,
quite
frankly,
from
doing
so
with
a
lot
of
work
on
all
of
our
parts.
We
had
an
inspection
come
through,
Noreen
went
over,
we
talked
to
them,
we
educated
them.
I
We
worked
with
them
and
over
a
period
of
time,
because
we
had
the
that
three
rule
Mike
sorry
I'm
not
being
article
about
what
it's
literally
called,
but
because
we
had
that
protection
and
I
used
the
word
protection
literally.
That's
all
we
had
to
stem
the
tide
and
protect
our
family
from
what
could
have
become
an
animal
house.
So
even
with
that,
even
the
fact
that
we
were
able
to
get
them
to
realize
they
weren't
going
to
be
able
to
put
six
or
seven
people
over
there.
I
Technically,
maybe
there's
more
kids
living
over
there
from
time
to
time,
but
it
gives
me
some
leverage
I
walk
over
there
I'm
like
hey,
come
on
tonight.
They
were
having
a
blowout
drag
down
party
and
there
were
people
screaming
on
our
front
lawn
and
all
sorts
of
stuff
carrying
on,
and
it
doesn't
change
the
fact
that
that's
still
going
to
go
on
occasionally,
but
if
there
had
been
eight
or
ten
of
these
guys
over
there
and
they've
done
a
full
while
lon
it
would
have
been
a
disaster.
I
have
a
14
year
old
daughter.
I
We
live
next
door
to
them,
I.
Let
them
know
that
we
have
a
child
of
that
age
over
and
they
need
to
be
sensitive
to
it.
But
it
gives
us
a
mechanism
to
be
able
to
say
hey.
We
know
you
know,
you
know
we
know
and
we
can
live
together,
but
we
have
this
protection
in
place.
So
I
hope
that
was
a
little
helpful
to
put
it
more
in
terms
of
relative
terms.
I
There
are
plenty
of
other
stories
in
this
room
about
that
I
think
in
fairness
to
students
too,
in
closing
that
there
should
be
a
mechanism
in
there
to
protect
them
from
some
of
these
predatory
practices,
but
this
mechanism
for
families
and
homeowners
like
myself,
that
have
stayed
in
that
area
and
loved
that
area.
We
need
that
or
we
need
something
otherwise
we're
just
helping
the
developers,
rape
and
pillage
our
neighborhood,
which
has
already
been
through
a
lot
and
I'd
like
to
preserve,
what's
left.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
I
A
B
J
Built
as
a
rooming
house
in
the
last
century,
it
was
built
by
a
woman
named
mrs.
ml
Hibbard,
a
widow
who
took
her
death
benefit
and
invested
it
in
real
estate.
People
are
still
doing
that
in
Evanston
today,
I
understand
when
I
bought
it.
It
had
been
operated
for
many
years
by
the
Episcopal
Church.
As
a
house
of
deaconesses.
There
came
a
time
when
the
Episcopal
Church,
in
its
wisdom,
decided
that
women
could
become
priests
and
didn't
have
to
be
satisfied
with
being
Deaconess.
Isn't
somebody
called
Baird
more?
J
They
put
an
ad
in
the
oven
student
review
and
I,
who
was
a
divorced
woman
with
one
child
teaching
city
and
Regional
Planning
at
IIT
down
at
35th
Street
in
the
School
of
Architecture,
not
wanting
to
live
at
35th
Street
pardon
me
jumped
at
the
opportunity
and
have
been
paying
ever
since,
but
enjoying
many
generations
of
Northwestern
students.
In
the
beginning,
my
tenants
were
undergraduate
students,
male
and
female.
It's
a
12
bedroom
house
with
five
bathrooms.
J
J
Some
of
the
undergraduates
weren't
that
clever,
but
we
have
replaced
roofs,
we've
kept
a
number
of
Evanston
businesses,
the
roofers
and
the
plumbers
well
occupied
with
making
improvements
and
repairs
as
necessary.
My
tenants
at
this
time
are
all
graduate
students.
I
thought
it
might
be
a
little
more
secure,
less
turbulent
than
undergrads.
Well
I'm
sure
you
realize
that
the
life
of
a
graduate
student
in
this
economy,
from
whatever
country
you
come,
is
kind
of
turbulent,
but
they
share
the
kitchen.
They
share
the
bathrooms
I
when
my
own
daughter
who's.
J
When
my
daughter
lived
there,
she
learned
to
share
with
graduate
students,
learn
to
share
the
space
it
lets
me
live
at
a
very
good
location,
with
the
lake
breezes,
with
the
convenience
of
transportation,
with
the
nearby
shopping
and
sharing
lives
of
others.
When
I
was
teaching
during
the
day
and
then
coming
home
to
students,
it
was
even
more
demanding
now.
I
can
just
barely
handle
I
I
no
longer
am
teaching
I've
been
a
consultant
on
land
use
planning
and
the
property
has
turned
out
to
be
a
good
investment,
because
there
are
rules,
procedures,
there's
oversight.
J
There
are
annual
inspections
of
the
exit
widths
of
the
fire
alarms
the
smoke
alarms
the
water
system,
the
cleanliness
and
I
have
felt
that
this
was
a
good
investment.
A
nice
place
to
live
I,
don't
want
to
anticipate
that
as
I
become
even
older
or
disabled
and
needing
to
sell
the
property
and
my
daughter
having
to
come
and
become
Rifa
miliar
eyes.
Dwith.
The
rules
in
Evanston
I
don't
want
to
find
that
there
are
no
rules,
that
there
are
no
categories
of
activity
defined
and
protected,
as
there
have
been
in
the
historic
past.
J
Don't
unwrite
history
but
pay
attention
to
the
taxable
value
of
your
property,
of
the
capacity
of
your
the
public
employees
to
keep
an
eye
on
things
and
that's
police,
fire
inspections,
the
water
department
and
so
forth,
but
think
of
every
aspect
of
this
before
you
just
erase
it
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
attention
and
I
thank
alderman
Fisk
for
having
been
an
attentive
listener
through
many
parts
of
this
history,
but
to
all
of
you
for
spending
your
time.
A
K
L
Evening,
good
evening
my
name
is
Camille,
Howie
and
I
know.
Most
of
you
know
that
I
know
I
own
a
lot
of
properties
in
Everson,
especially
in
around
the
university
I.
Don't
know
who
owned
any
small
houses
but
apartment
buildings,
I
think
I
spent
all
my
career,
revitalizing
neighborhoods
and
I
worked
a
lot
with
other
vendor
in
South
Everson
in
Chicago,
and
went
through
Kenmore,
very
bad
areas
and
the
problem
most
people
in
neighborhood
have
drugs
and
and
and
and
violence.
L
And
if
we
look
at
Northwestern
student
they're,
the
the
the
finest
student
in
the
country
everybody's
dreamed
to
go
to
Northwestern
and
they
are
all
work
very
hard.
Iii
I,
don't
think
I'll
call
them
that
party
Kaiser
I
own,
the
building
in
780,
Inception
I,
think
I
have
this
building,
maybe
for
30
years
I,
don't
think
we
ever
had.
The
police
were
called
the
kids.
They
work
very
hard.
They
have
a
lot
of
homework
and
well
they're,
all
from
very
good
families
that
they
respect
the
I
understand.
L
There
is
some
crowded
housing
and
some
of
the
single-family
houses
have
problem,
but
I
don't
think
the
the
rule
we
have
now
it's
solved
in
the
problem
because,
as
all
of
us
know,
is
not
enforced
because
it's
hard
to
enforce
it.
Nobody
goes
in
the
apartment
and
count
toothbrushes
and
beds,
and
things
like
this
and
as
many
of
the
students
said
that
many
of
the
people
complain,
you
have
to
give
them
notice
and
they
can
get
ready,
hide
the
truth
brushes,
and
so
you
have
to
find
another
solution,
reason
about
it.
L
The
the
housing
crisis
in
northwestern
we
have
10,000
student
in
the
university
and
there
are
no
housing
and
we
can't
just
close
our
eyes.
Estelle
them
stay
in
the
street.
The
problem
has
I,
think
the
inverses
start,
building
more
housing,
I
think
this
committee
is
good
to
see
the
problem,
but
you
can't
ignore
the
student
I
think
the
northwestern
is
a
very
important
part
of
our
city,
and
the
students
are
very
important.
L
We
have
restaurants
in
town
and
and
they
live
in,
the
student
business
I
mean
and
they
contribute
to
our
culture,
our
our
our
future,
and
we
have
to
give
a
lot
of
respect
to
the
university
they
don't
away
and
and
our
greatness
of
Evanston,
because
we
have
the
University
here.
If
we
take
the
university
out
of
Evanston,
we're
not
going
to
be
ever
still
gonna
be
Skokie
or
something
like
this.
This
is
a
very
important
part
of
us
and
I.
Just
want
you
to
consider
now.
L
I
think
a
better,
surely
better,
solution
for
this
problem
is
to
limit
the
square
footage
per
person
more
than
the
family,
because
if
you
have
an
apartment
thousand
square
foot,
you
can
say
maximum
300
square
foot
per
a
force
minimum.
So
you
can
have
three,
and
this
is
you
can
just
measure
it
and
know
how
many
people
but
I
think
now,
like
now,
I
can
have
a
studio
apartment
and
you
have
three
unrelated
people
living
it's
very
dangerous
and
complying
with
the
code.
So
this
is
not
a
solution.
L
I
think
we
should
look
at
safety,
alarm
system,
sprinkler
system,
the
cloudiness
per
square
foot
more
than
this
rule
and
I
believe
that
this
rule
is
not
enforced
like
it
is,
unfortunately,
for,
like
the
gentleman
said,
blackmailing
a
person
if
you
complain
I'm
going
to
if
the
city
is
going
to
come
and
find
you
and
so
I
I
think
is
a
more
appropriate
solution,
is
to
limit
the
square
foot
per
person
and
require
more
stringent
safety.
Is
the
most
important
thing:
safety,
fire
safety
alarm
and
things
like
this
song
and
thank
you
very
much.
M
N
Gonna,
be
speaking
about
something
different,
but
after
hearing
the
last
three
or
four
comments,
I'm
super
upset
and
I
would
like
to
say
that
the
Northwestern
University
students
are
kids.
We
have
to
remember
that
they're
kids,
they
don't
have,
and
their
parents
don't
have,
especially
in
this
economy
in
endless
supply
of
money.
N
$800
$900
is
a
lot
of
money
to
pay
in
rent
I
thought.
I
had
a
lot
of
money
when
I
first
got
my
apartment
at
13,
31
Chicago,
even
in
a
studio
paying
five
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
month
or
350.
I'll
know
it
was
that
long
ago,
I'm
appalled
at
the
language
that
was
used,
because
these
students
are
welcome
here,
I'm
glad
that
they're
here
I
they
get
on
my
nerves
too
sometimes,
but
all
of
us
were
students
at
one
time.
N
Some
of
the
comments
made
me
feel
like
the
commentators
were
elitist
and
I'm
surprised
about
that,
because
I
grew
up
in
Evanston
and
Evanston
was
never
in
an
elitist
community.
We
were
the
community
that
was
all
welcoming.
We
had
students,
we
had
families,
we
had.
You
know
we
weren't
considered
a
part
of
the
North
Shore
and
I
loved
it
and
people
who
didn't
live
here.
They
loved
it
too.
N
That's
why
everybody
is
drawn
to
this
community,
so
one
I
would
like
to
say
I'm,
also
appalled
that
students
aren't
making
complaints
for
fear
of
retaliation
and
I
would
like
you
guys
to
put
your
heads
together
to
do
something
about
that,
so
that
these
students
can
complain
and
not
fear,
retaliation
and
that
they
can
have
these
things
taken
care
of.
But
the
biggest
things
I'd
like
you
guys
to
realize
is
that
affordable
housing
is
such
a
huge
problem
that
we
have
in
the
city
of
Evanston
and
I've
been
affected
by
it.
N
Everybody's
been
affected
by
it,
but
our
students,
they're
gonna,
be
our
leaders
of
tomorrow
so
be
careful
about
the
comments
that
you
make
about
what
they
do
today.
I
say
them
too,
but
I,
don't
say
I'm
in
a
public
forum,
but
be
careful.
You
know
because
I
was
a
student
too.
You
know,
but
I
had
to
work.
You
know
throughout
my
whole
time
in
college,
affordable
housing
is
important
to
senior
citizens
they're
important
to
the
middle
class
they're
important
to
you
know,
college
graduates
are
important
to
the
grad
students.
N
The
students
while
they're
here
don't
tell
me
my
time-
is
up
because
the
people
before
me
had
like
excessive
time,
but
the
students
that
are
here
need
to
feel
welcome
and
the
comments
before,
if
I
were
a
student
I
wouldn't
feel
welcome,
I'm
glad
the
students
are
coming
here
to
speak
up
for
themselves
and
represent
themselves
I'm
glad
to
see
that
there
are
blacks
like
me
who
are
showing
up
and
speaking
for
themselves.
This
is
your
city,
tell
your
city,
what
you
want.
You
are
their
constituent
and
they
need
to
be
listening
to
you.
B
O
Okay
and
I
appreciate
the
the
opportunity
for
the
committee
to
have
this
this
conversation
in
this
discussion
yesterday
I
went
to
see
RBG
the
Ruth
Bader
Ginsberg
movie
with
my
wife,
and
it
got
me
thinking
a
little
differently
about
the
issue
and
I
didn't
have
a
lot
of
time
to
go
back
and
look
at
it,
but
I
thought
well.
What
would
RBG
do
so
I?
So
I
did
take
a
little
look
back
in
time,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
that
struck
me
in
this
movie
is
here's
a
remarkable
person.
O
Who's
had
an
incredible
career
over
an
extended
period
of
time,
but
one
of
the
points
she
made
in
the
in
the
course
of
the
movie
is
talking
about
the
idea
of
change
and
how
effective
change
is
made
in
incremental
steps
and
I
went
back
and
took
a
look
at
a
Supreme
Court
decision
from
1974
where
unrelated
individual
occupancy
limits
were
being
discussed
by
the
court
at
that
time,
and
you
know
we
see
things
kind
of
ebb
and
flow.
Ginsburg
has
kind
of
gone
from
being
in
a
majority
position
to
now.
O
She's,
the
great
dissenter
but
I,
looked
at
a
dissent
by
Justice
Marshall
from
1974
and
one
of
the
things
that
he
said
in
one
of
in
one
of
those
dissents
was
I'm
quoting
harshly.
But
it's
inconceivable
to
inconceivable
to
me
that
we
would
allow
the
exercise
of
the
zoning
power
to
burden
First,
Amendment
freedoms,
and
he
also
said
zoning
officials
properly
concerned
themselves
with
the
uses
of
land
with,
for
example,
the
number
and
kinds
of
dwellings.
But
zoning
authorities
cannot
validly
consider
who
those
persons
are
so
I
thought
about
that.
O
O
But
you
know
we
talk
about
the
kind
of
community.
We
are
we
talk
about
the
kind
of
people
we
are
and
we
talk
about
what
we
believe
in
and
I
think
that
as
Evan
stone
Ian's,
we
don't
look
at
who
the
people
are
and
what
they
believe
and
have
it
choose
to
live
and
I.
Think
it's
really
incumbent
upon
us
to
so
rethink
this.
This
fairly
antiquated
principle,
that
is
in
our
modern
eras,
supported
by
a
people
that
I
don't
think
that
we
really
adopt
their
views
in
this
community.
O
So
my
strong
preference
is
again
to
repeal
the
ordinance
like
I,
said.
I
understand
the
concerns.
I
think
that
we
need
to
follow
through
with
the
things
that
we've
passed,
but
I
think
that
this
is
not
a
huge
step
about
going
back
to
what
Ruth,
Bader
Ginsburg
said.
It's
an
incremental
step
towards
achieving
you
know
which
we
talked
about
equity
all
the
time
we
talked
about
you
know,
what's
you
know
creating
a
welcoming
community?
This
is
an
important
piece
in
that
patent
law
or
an
important
step
along
that
path.
K
B
K
B
And-
and
we
do
do
that-
but
I
think
that
some
of
the
things
that
the
that
the
residents
were
referring
to
today
and
I
want
to
go
back
for
a
minute
and
and
say
that
I
think
it
was
at
the
end
of
February,
alderman,
druh,
Simmons
and
I
had
a
joint
Ward
meeting
here
in
the
Civic
Center.
That
was
very
well
attended
where
we
talked
about
this
and
I
I.
B
I
remember
once
going
the
housing
court
and
standing
up
with
a
group
for
you
and
and
when
you
challenged
the
the
folks
that
were
here
in
the
in
the
audience
to
come
and
do
that
for
you.
So
you've
been
a
huge
fighter
for
the
residents
of
your
ward
and
meant
maintaining
and
preserving
your
your
the
housing
stock
in
your
war
and
I.
Think
that's
really
really
important.
I,
don't
see
that
as
any
different
than
what
is
happening
here.
B
I
think
there
are
some
problems
that
we
need
to
talk
with
the
university
about
I
think
we
need
to
educate
students
about
how
to
sign
leases,
how
to
enter
into
leases,
how
to
protect
themselves.
I
think
we
need
to
talk
with
landlords
as
well
to
make
sure
that
their
properties
are
being
run
properly,
but
there
aren't
inspections
for
these
on
on
a
regular
basis
and
the
nuisance
part
of
it
does
not
rise
to
the
level
of
something
that
would
be
generated
under
under
the
ordinance
I.
Just
I
had
a
call
the
other
day.
B
B
Their
their
neighborhood
is
really
changing,
I
mean
when
you
have,
and
literally
a
mom
that
shows
up
and
pays
$800,000
cash
for
a
house
to
put
her
kid
and
his
friends
in
the
house.
She
knows
she's
going
to
make
money
doing
that
when
she
sells
the
house
if
she
sells
it
to
another
another
landlord
who
wants
to
put
northwestern
kids
or
any
other
kids
or
any
other
people
in
it.
So
for
right
now,
I
see
that
the
three
unrelated
is
the
protection.
The
only
protection
that's
out
there
now.
B
Does
that
mean
that
there
are
other
protections
that
there
aren't?
You
know
possibility
to
massage
the
ordinance
to
figure
out
where
we
want
to
go
from
here.
I
think
this
is
a
perfect
time
to
do
that
and
I
think
the
neighbors
in
my
ward
and
I'm,
not
gonna
I,
know
alderman
Ruth
Simmons
will
speak
to
her
award,
but
I
think
that
the
neighbors
are
searching
for
an
answer
and
are
searching
for
a
way
to
preserve
the
not
only
the
investment
they've
made
in
their
neighborhood,
but
also
just
the
the
ambience
of
the
neighborhood.
B
We
fought
for
a
long
time,
I
mean
if
you
look
at
the
history
of
this
particular
neighborhood
and
hi
I'm,
only
speaking
of
it,
because
it's
my
ward
and
I
know
it
I,
don't
mean
to
say
that
these
problems
don't
exist
in
other
Ward's,
but
from
the
end
of
the
Second
World
War,
when
most
of
the
houses
were
rooming
houses
by
the
1960s.
There
was
a
real
concern
in
this
neighborhood
about
what
was
going
to
happen
along
Warrington
Avenue,
along
Sherman
Avenue
in
the
firmaments
Park
neighborhood
about
what
was
going
to
happen
in
this
area.
B
To
maintain
it,
and
the
first
response
to
that
was
just
development,
will
just
develop
and
tear
down
the
houses
and
put
up
whatever
we
can
at
that
point
in
the
1960s
came
a
generation
of
young
people
who
were
looking
for
affordable
housing
that
they
could
fix
up
and
live
in.
They
came
to
Evanston
for
the
schools
for,
for
all
the
other,
wonderful
things
that
Evanston
is
known
for
transportation,
a
livable
community,
the
downtown
the
lakefront.
All
of
that
and
everything
turned
around
in
that
neighborhood.
B
B
But
we've
got
to
balance
that
against
the
interests
that
the
city
has
in
maintaining
a
residential
quality
in
the
community.
So
that's
I'm,
sorry
to
take
so
much
time.
There
are
other
lights
and
I
will
I
have
more
to
say,
but
don't
need
to
say
it
right
now,
at
this
point,
all
the
mineral
Simmons
and
then
alderman
Wynn,
and
that
all
their
Rainey
thank.
C
One
thing
that
this
discussion
is
really
highlighted
for
me
is
our
lack
of
enforcement.
For
already
what
seems
like
pretty
good
policy
that
we
have
in
place,
including
the
nuisance
premise
ordinance,
as
well
as
our
regular
property
standard
ordinances
that
are
seems
like
just
being
dismissed
so
I'm
unprepared
to
to
have
a
vote
on
this
I've
asked
for
some
answers
from
Northwestern
and
also
our
city
staff,
trying
to
understand
more
about
the
resources
that
are
available
from
the
University.
C
What
the
new
tuition
commitment
has
done
for
affordability,
for
the
students
at
Northwestern,
in
terms
of
on
their
housing
options
and
understanding
more
about
our
rooming
house,
and
possibly
a
discussion
about
rooming
house
with
with
no
mandate
on
owner
occupancy.
As
an
answer
to
this,
so
I
would
like
to
focus
more
on
compliance
on
no
matter
what
the
outcome
is.
C
Our
students
and
our
properties
in
these
neighborhoods
should
not
be
in
the
conditions
that
I've
been
made,
aware
of
receiving
pictures
from
homeowners
and
families
living
next
to
extreme
debris
and
alleys
and
students
living
with
improper
plumbing
and
excessive
mode.
So
that's
something
that
I
think
has
really
been
highlighted
in
this
discussion,
but
I'm
still
waiting
for
information,
so
that
I
can
have
a
decision
on
this.
P
Yes,
thank
you
and
I
agree
with
the
altmer
Simmons
I'd
like
to,
if
I
get
a
little
bit
more
information
about
rooming
houses,
I
think
Diane.
Thank
you.
Diane
querulous
for
running
such
a
nice
moving
house
for
all
these
years
and
I
think
you
cited
what
what
is
the
the
value
of
it,
which
is
that
it's
inspected
it's
safe,
it's
well-maintained
and,
and
that's
what
the
students
who
who
rent
from
you
can
count
on
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
find
out
what
what
would
be.
P
What
would
make
it
possible
to
have
more
of
these
if
possible?
What
is
it
possible
to
have
more
of
them
in
the
neighborhood,
where
they're
well
maintained
they
are
inspected?
We
aren't
running
into
the
issues
that
we're
hearing
about.
Another
key
aspect
that
we
that
hasn't
been
mentioned
yet
is
that
next
fall.
All
sophomores
at
Northwestern
are
going
to
be
required
to
live
on
campus
and
with
8,000
undergraduates.
That's
2,000
students
who
are
that
may
are
living
off
or
approximately
2,000
students
who
are
living
off
campus,
who
are
now
going
to
be
on
campus.
P
That's
the
biggest
change
in
our
rental
market.
In
this
neighborhood,
probably
since
world
war
ii-
and
I
don't
think
that
we
should
make
a
change
before
we've
seen
what
the
impact
of
that
is,
you
know
the
basic
economics
would
tell
you
that
the
demand
is
drop
going
to
drop
precipitously
when
that
2,000
sophomores
are
no
longer
renting
in
the
neighborhood
and
will
what
will
that
do?
P
Well,
the
will
the
rents
drop
as
well,
you
know,
are
the
property
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
less
valuable,
but
we
don't
know
actually
what
the
effects
will
be
and
so
I
think
that's
before
we
change
the
three
unrelated
rule.
We
should
wait
to
see
what
the
impact
of
that
biggest
change
in
areas
rental
market
demand
is
in
50
or
60
years,
and
and
what
happens
and
what
do
the
landlords
do
and
do
they
improve
their
properties?
P
I
also
think
that
we
need
to,
and
the
excuse
me
if
this
has
already
happened.
We
need
to
talk
with
Northwestern
more
about
educating
the
parents
about
being
really
wary
of
letting
their
students
sign
up
for
a
lease,
letting
the
parents
know
that
they
need
to
be.
On
top
of
this
I
mean
sophomores
are
18
and
19
year
olds.
They
need
to
find
out.
P
That's
really
critically
important
and
also
that
northwestern
parents
recognize
that
they
understand
that
there
is
this
three
unrelated
law,
and
so,
if
you're
discovering
that
your
daughter
is
living
with
nine
friends,
something's
wrong,
you
know
so
and
then
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out.
You
know
why
are
nuisance.
Premises.
Ordinance
is
not
addressing
this,
and
if
it's
not
working
effectively
on
this,
then
we
need
to
figure
out
what
would
make
it
effective.
What
do
other
communities
do
about
landlords
who
behave
like
this?
Who
scoot
you
know
scoot
everybody
out
who
is
exceeds
the
limit?
P
What
do
we
have
to
do
in
order
to
maintain
safety
in
our
community?
You
know
I,
don't
necessarily
agree
with
surprise
inspections,
but
is
it
possible
for
us
to
see
how
many
addresses
our
names
are
on
them
on
the
mailbox
and
then
to
question
them
about
who
actually
lives
here?
So
just
use
some
some
creativity.
If
we
I
can
then
generate
you
know
and
I
and
I
know,
we
talked
many
times
about
licensing
these
places
so
that
we
then
pay
for
more
inspections,
but
I
think
it's
very
much
worth
it.
P
K
We
know
what's
going
to
happen
when
the
sophomores
go
back
onto
campus.
We
were
told
by
a
landlord
in
this
very
neighborhood
very
recently
that
he
needs
to
put
his
units
on
air
B&B
because
he's
not
going
to
have
anymore.
So
he
wants
to.
This
is
a
landlord
who
lives
far
away
in
another
state
and
he
wants
to
make
certain
that
his
revenue
stream
stays
as
healthy.
As
it's
always
been.
You
remembered
he
had
several
several
properties
in
this
neighborhood,
so
I
think
that's
one
thing.
K
That's
going
to
happen,
I'm
going
to
go
along
with
majority
here
tonight,
although
I
have
a
problem
with
restricting
to
three
unrelated
I
think
there
are
other
solutions
and
one
of
the
solutions
I
think
we
could
think
about.
As
we
go
forward
and
I
know,
we've
been
talking
about
is
a
property.
We
know
which
properties
are
being
sold.
We
heard
tonight
whose
property
is
being
sold,
I
mean
at
some
point.
K
I,
don't
see
why
we
can't
do
that
and
with
that
kind
of
Licensing,
once
we
find
out
that
you
know,
there's
people
being
stuffed
in
the
basement
that
license
will
be
revoked
and
they
will
no
longer
be
able
to
rent
that
space
for
a
certain
length
of
time,
so
I
mean
I
think
there
are
other
ways
to
do
this
and
I
think
alderman
Wilson
was
right.
Think
about
it.
We've
had
this
rule
for
so
long
and
people
are
still
complaining
about
the
same
issues.
K
B
Alderman
I,
don't
know
which
one
of
you
was
first
either
alderman,
druh,
Simmons
or
alderman
Wilson
I.
Think.
Q
Confirm
that
number,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
the
the
number
is
twenty
two
thousand
five
hundred
for
Evanston
and
Chicago
campuses
combined.
The
number
of
undergraduate
and
graduate
students
living
off-campus
within
the
Evanston
City
Limits
is
one
third
of
that
number.
Approximately
seventy
two
hundred
okay
and.
P
Agree
with
that,
but
I
think
they
all
just
should
be
sending
information
to
parents,
because
you
know
it's
one
thing
to
have
students
at
the
student
fair
and
they
may
be
looking
at
something
completely
different
than
what
their
parents
would
be.
Looking
at
and
I
think
the
given
what
you
know
the
ability
of
universities
to
communicate
with
parents
now
is
is
instant.
You
know
I
get
information
from
my
daughter's
college.
You
know
all
the
time
you
know
when
they
want
to
send
something
out.
P
C
Be
really
helpful,
so
another
thing
I'm
active
on
a
national
university
committees,
university
communities
committee
and
it's
pretty
common
on
best
practices
for
some
version
of
the
unrelated,
but
in
speaking
with
students
and
even
property
owners.
I'm
hearing
that
it's
for
is
kind
of
the
threshold
where
there
are
quite
a
few
that
are
living
with
with
four
and
if
a
discussion
could
be
had
about
raising
that
to
four.
O
O
Just
honestly
think
that
that
this
ordinance,
the
way
it
works
in
our
city,
there's
no
other
way
to
look
at
it,
then
it
being
its
discriminates,
discriminatory,
so
we're
discriminating
against
a
class
of
our
residents
for
an
improper
purpose.
Now
that
said,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
perceive
that
this
is
the
this
is
their
only
resort.
This
is
the
only
tool
that
they
have
and
unfortunately
that's
a
shortcoming.
That's
on
us
because
we
passed
ordinances,
we
have
rules,
we
have
things
that
are
simply
not
getting
addressed.
O
Residents
in
the
neighborhoods
have
reasonable
and
legitimate
concerns
that
aren't
getting
addressed.
So
we
have
to
address
those,
but
I
think
it's
very,
very
important
for
us
to
do
that
in
a
way
that
doesn't
perpetuate
this.
This
lingering
discriminatory
ordinance,
that's
not
serving
its
purpose,
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
move
past
this
get
rid
of
this
ordinance
and
you
know
we
need
to
have
some.
We
haven't
need
to
have
some
significant
outreach
people,
it's
clear
to
me
that
people
don't
know
how
to
use
it.
O
Will
utilize
the
nuisance,
premesis
ordinance
if
you've
got
a
house
or
several
houses
or
the
people
in
a
particular
apartment,
building
they're
that
persistent
of
a
problem
that's
wrong.
We
spent
an
extraordinary
amount
of
time,
alderman,
Rainey
and
then
others
and
I
spent
a
great
deal
of
time,
working
that
up
to
provide
an
effective
tool,
and
it's
frustrating
to
me
to
see
that
the
tool
isn't
getting
utilized.
O
So
again,
that's
not
on
the
neighborhood.
That's
on
you
know
the
people
that
are
supposed
to
be
doing
that
job,
so
they
need
to
be
doing
that
job
and,
if
that's
a
question
of
lack
of
resources,
we're
working
on
our
priorities
for
the
budget.
If
we
need
to
think
about
some
of
those
priorities-
and
this
need
not
getting
addressed,
then
perhaps
that
that's
that's
something.
That's
part
of
the
conversation
we
have
on
how
we're
allocating
our
resources.
A
C
Rusyns,
so
thank
you,
ottoman
Wilson
for
clarifying
that
the
nuisance
premise,
lack
of
compliance
is
not
or
enforcement
is
not
on
behalf
of
the
residents
because
they're
doing
their
part
they're
calling
in
3
1,
1
they're,
letting
me
know
when
their
issues
and
they're
it's
really
just
a
handful
of
properties,
and
my
understanding
is
that
they
would
qualify
under
nuisance
premise
and
they're.
Not
so
we
have
really
just
a
handful
of
property
owners
that
are
creating
this
problem
for
our
entire
community.
C
Like
other
things,
it's
just
a
minority,
and
so
I
don't
know
if,
if
we
could
direct
staff
to
do
more
to
enforce
this
nuisance
premise
or
if
we
need
to
make
some
adjustments
to
the
policy
so
that
it
doesn't
only
include
violent
crimes
or
arrests,
but
it
also
includes
excessive
service
cause
and
property
standard
violations.
Maybe
that's
something
we
should
revisit,
because
the
residents
are
doing
their
part
to
to
manage
their
neighborhood
within
the
policy
that
we
have
presented
to
them
and
we're
not
enforcing
it
so
they're
living
next
to
properties
that
are
unacceptable.
B
O
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
have
the
staff
prepare
an
ordinance
that
would
repeal
this,
but
my
condition
for
that
would
be
that
on
the
same
agenda
we
would
have
to
have
a
plan
proposed
plan
for
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
this
enforcement
question,
because
it's
just
it's
not
been
it's
not
been
handled.
So
we
need
to
be
talking
about
these
things
at
the
same
time.
O
So
again,
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
perceive
this
as
their
only
tool,
but
I
don't
want
to
take
that
away
until
people
are
confident
and
uncomfortable
enough
that
they
do
have
an
alternative.
That's
going
to
be
more
effective
than
this,
because,
frankly,
this
isn't
effective.
You
know
I
keep
hearing
the
problem
after
problem
after
problem,
we
need
to
be
more
effective
on
this.
You
know
side
of
the
dais
I
hear.
B
You
alter
parallelism
I'm,
not
ready
to
entertain
that
motion
right
now.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
we
need
to
get
regarding
this,
this
matter,
I
think
if
we
can
ask
staff
to
come
up
with
the
answers
to
some
of
our
questions,
I
think
we
have
need
to
have
a
conversation
with
Northwestern
University.
B
We
had
touched
on
that
at
the
Nu
City
Committee.
We
need
obviously
more
information
from
them.
This
is
not
an
easy,
easy
fix
and
I
think
unless
we
do
this
thoughtfully,
we'll
be
making
the
problem
worse
than
it
is
now
part
of
it.
Is
you
know
what
are
the
resources
that
we
have
available?
How
are
the
inspections
I
mean?
How
can
we
do
spectrum
inspections?
Do
we
move
ahead
with
licensing
so
I'm
not
ready
to
leave
the
discussion
of
this
right
now,
all
during
rainy
did
you
want
to
I.
K
N
B
B
Not
sure,
let
me
just
talk
with
staff
about
what's
on
our
next
agenda.
Like
I
said,
we've
got
two
planned
developments
tonight
and
I
really
want
to
get
to
them.
So
we'll
we'll
do
it,
but
we're
not
going
to
do
it
right
now.
Alderman
Wilson,
you've
pushed
us
to
this
meeting
tonight.
We've
accommodated
you
for
this
meeting
tonight.
I,
don't
think
that
there's
any,
but.
B
B
B
Okay,
so
our
first
item
for
consideration
tonight
is
p1
its
resolution:
22
r18,
it's
approving
a
plat
of
resub
division
for
1727
Polk
Avenue,
the
Plan
Commission
and
staff
recommend
adoption
of
resolution,
22
r18,
approving
a
plat
of
rhe
subdivision
for
1727
Hoke.
The
applicant
requests
a
subdivision
to
separate
the
development
parcel
from
the
10:07
church
parcel.
The
subdivision
meets
all
requirements
of
the
d3
downtown
district,
including
lot
size
and
lot
width
and
has
been
reviewed
by
the
Public
Works
Agency
for
compliance
with
applicable
regulations.
B
P
B
P
R
R
R
B
The
planned
development
is
for
a
17-story
age,
restricted,
multifamily,
rental
development,
with
169
units
and
136
parking
spaces
in
the
d3
downtown
core
development
district
for
site
development
allowances
are
requested
for
the
number
of
dwelling
units,
building
height,
front
yard,
setback
and
number
of
loading
berths.
It's
for
introduction
move
approval.
Second,.
C
B
Just
one
second
Peter,
we
have
folks
signed
up
to
speak.
We
have
a
presentation
staff
do.
O
B
S
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members,
the
community
members
of
the
public
was
mentioned
item
2,
P,
1
and
P
2
are
closely
related.
They
involved
the
subdivision
of
the
current
parcel
at
1007
to
create
a
second
parcel
that,
where
the
developments
proposed
1727
oak
for
17
story,
age,
restricted,
multi-family,
residential
development
is
noted
for
the
site
development
allowances
are
requested,
though
those
site
developments
is,
are
above
the
maximum
that
are
allowed
by
the
zoning
code
within
the
d3
district.
S
This
project
has
been
before
the
design
of
project
review
committee,
which
recommend
approval,
as
well
as
the
plan
commission
at
two
meetings,
which
recommended
approval
so
tonight
plan.
Commission
staff
are
recommending
approval.
The
developer,
Tremmel
crow
is
here
present
and
will
be
making
a
presentation
whenever
the
committee
team
set
to
be
the
best
time.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
T
T
And
just
forgive
me
for
one
quick
second,
because
I
thought
I
was
gonna,
have
a
moment.
I
really
have
to
address
just
the
terminology
that
was
used
in
our
last
discussion
and
I
and
I
understand.
Sometimes
when
people
are
emotionally
charged
on
a
subject
that
we
use
terms
to
elicit
a
reaction
but
I
think
just
the
the
use
of
the
term
ghetto
and
I
and
I
and
I
hope
just
hearing
from
the
folks
well
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
they
meant
by
it.
But
I
do
think
it's
it's
worth
mentioning
I.
T
Think
the
term
traditionally
started
as
Europeans
characterize
the
Jews,
and
then
it
was
later
used
to
characterize
poor
black
communities
and
I.
Think
if
there's
any
complete
confusion
for
you
know
members
of
the
public
or
anyone
who
would
watch
this
video
with
a
later
date
that
were
not
referring
to
the
modern
date
term
that
is
used
to
characterize
black
communities
and
I
would
invite
any
of
the
people
who
spoke
before
on
a
field
trip
to
the
south
side.
And
maybe
we
can.
T
You
know
truly
experience
what
the
modern
day
terminology
means,
and
we
can
talk
about
the
impact
to
the
what
used
to
be
thriving
black
middle-class
families
in
this
town
and
how
racism,
unfair
housing
practices
in
redlining,
the
influx
of
drugs
and
guns
in
the
community.
They've
brought.
You
know,
violence
in
over
policing,
so
I
just
I
realize.
When
we
talk
about
these
developments
and
other
things
we
just
have
to
really
be
careful
of
the
terminology.
Okay,
thank
you.
T
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
you
all
up
to
speed
on
a
couple
of
issues,
and-
and
so
this
development
is,
is,
is
no
different
than
you
know.
Any
of
the
other
developments
where
again
it
there
are
people
that
are
emotionally
charged
I
just
want
to
share
this,
and
I
am
in
support
of
it,
and
we
have
had
a
total
of
two
neighborhood
meetings
where
we
met
directly
with
the
folks
from
across
the
street
at
the
Siena
project.
We've
also
had
this
project
disgusted
are
at
our
Ward
meeting
in
at
that
Ward
meeting.
T
Some
additional
issues
regarding
the
parking
and
I
know
that
developers
going
to
speak
to
the
issues
of
the
parking
and
also
the
traffic
study.
That
was
part
of
your
lengthy
report
and
I
thought
that
the
neighborhood
meeting,
the
third
neighborhood
meeting
that
we
had
was
a
productive
one,
because
there
were
some
people
there,
although
they
were
opposed
to
the
project.
There
were
some
other
folks
that
actually
came
prepared
to
talk
about
some
solutions.
So
should
this
move
forward,
you
have
my
commitment.
T
T
That
publicly
is
because,
at
the
plan
Commission
meeting,
we
discussed
doing
a
joint
meeting
with
both
developers
and
measuring
the
impact,
and
at
that
time,
I
found
out
after
the
meeting
that
John
McLean
had
not
worked
through
all
of
the
logistics
with
Mount
Zion
Church.
So
it
seemed
very
premature
to
have
a
joint
meeting
where
we're
discussing
timelines.
T
My
reasons
for
supporting
it
is
just
basically
and
I
know
that
developers
are
going
to
hit
it
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
create
much-needed
senior
housing
in
our
town.
I
want
to
share
that
and
again,
this
is
in
the
packet
that
we're
looking
at
a
potential
of
additional
million
dollars
that
going
towards
our
tax
base
and
I.
Don't
need
to
remind
you
that
69
percent
of
our
tax
property
taxes
help
to
fund
education.
It's
in
addition
to
that.
T
That
you'll
hear
about
later
I
think
that's
about
it.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
remind
the
folks
that
are
here
from
Siena
that
are
concerned
that
we
are
paying
very
close
attention
to
to
all
of
the
moving
pieces
and
very
similar
to
for
those
of
you
that
were
on
City
Council.
When
we
looked
at
the
Siena
project
and
I
think
it
was
Tim
Anderson
that
filled
the
hole
in
the
in
the
road
is
what
was
told
to
me.
T
U
Evening,
my
name
is
johnny
carlson
I'm,
with
Trammell
crow
company
I'm
joined
by
a
host
of
other
folks
here
that
are
on
our
development
team
that
are
here
for
questions,
innovate
if
anything
arises,
regarding
traffic
civil
infrastructure,
light
items
so
I'm
going
to
keep
this
very
brief.
We
have
a
good
presentation
here,
so
I'll
click
slides
and
it
should
be
about
five
to
ten
minutes
in
length.
So
here's
a
site
that
was
just
referenced
by
staff.
It's
at
the
northeast
corner
of
church
and
oak.
U
It
is
located
just
north
of
the
office
building
and
that's
actually
the
parking
lot
for
the
office.
Building
that
North
Shore
Medical
just
moved
their
parking
requirement
across
the
street
to
the
building
that
actually
the
office
building
will
be
bones
parking
across
the
street.
So
this
is
just
for
their
parking
requirement
of
Northwestern
medical
only
and
it
was
not
a
public
parking
field.
This
is
in
the
d3
zoning
district
that
was
mentioned
and,
furthermore,
in
the
downtown
master
plan.
U
It's
in
the
area
noted
in
yellow
and
G,
which
is
allows
up
to
almost
two
hundred
and
feet.
We
are
well
below
that
limit.
These
are
the
four
dimensions
of
the
allowances
all
within
the
allowance.
Tolerance
within
the
code
with
the
planned
development
first
is
units
height,
front
yard,
setback,
which
is
a
minor
one
on
levels
two
and
three
for
parking
circulation,
and
then
loading
birth
going
from
two
to
one
with
this,
an
age-restricted
apartment
project
and
the
number
of
move,
ins,
move,
outs,
etc.
We
do
not
view
this
as
a
requirement
of
having
two.
U
What
are
we
talking
about
here?
This
is
coining
the
name
of
active
living.
This
is
not
a
senior
apartments
solely
it's
not
independent
living.
Now.
What
does
that
mean?
It's
a
really
a
socialization
housing
option
that
is
less
expensive
than
independent
living.
It
actually
brings
items
such
as
meals,
socialization
transportation,
in
all
a
cart
basis.
U
So,
if
you
want
it,
you
pay
for
it
and
I'll
go
through
that
in
further
slides,
but
really
it's
a
way
to
have
people
in
Evanston
unlock
their
housing
equity,
convert
from
a
home
ownership
to
a
rental,
as
they
age
in
place
and
stay
within
the
community,
religious
affiliations,
etc.
Close
kids-
and
that
is
really
where
we're
seeing
the
demand
of
the
baby
boomer
renter.
U
If
you
look
at
55-plus
as
the
age
restriction,
we're
sitting
on
the
property,
but
really
the
average
renter
across
the
country
is
closer
to
72
years
old
who's
living
in
these
active
living
environments.
This
is
where
it
fits
in
within
the
housing
options
on
the
far
left
is
your
traditional
single-family
multi-family
and,
as
you
go
further
right
on
the
page,
it
graduates
up
to
assisted
living
in
nursing
care.
So,
as
you
can
see,
it's
just
below
independent
living
on
that
spectrum.
What
is
the
big
difference?
U
All
of
them
offer
housing
options,
but
really
housekeeping
transportation
meals.
You
pay
for
them
when
you
want
them
so
allows
you
to
live
in
a
small
unit
and
a
fordable
rent,
but
live
big
in
the
immediate
community
overall
and
pay
for
things
when
you
want
them.
So
it's
really
a
flexible
living
arrangement.
There's
no
nursing
care,
there's
no
health
care
on-site,
it's
not
assisted
living.
This
is
a
kind
of
a
stepping
stone
to
a
facility
that
you've
found
around
this
Evanston
area.
U
The
one
bedrooms
are
in
red:
that's
about
a
two
thousand
dollar
one-bedroom
rent
for
a
traditional
apartment
and
our
building
that
to
our
one
bedroom,
be
about
$2,500
per
month,
and
if
you
look
at
that
in
comparison
to
independent
living,
it's
about
40
42
to
4500
dollars.
So
if
you
peel
back
the
utilities,
the
cleaning
and
meals
it's
comparison
to
about
a
$3,500
rent
to
independent
living,
so
we're
still
about
a
thousand
dollars
less
for
the
same
apples-to-apples
level
of
services
on
our
building.
Why
do
we
think
we
can
get
that
rent
above
market
rate?
U
It's
really
about
our
design
with
our
partner,
The
Carlyle
Group
has
a
number
of
assets,
but
around
the
country
of
this
they're,
really
the
forefront
of
this
unique
housing
option.
It's
double
the
amenities
on
the
far
left
is
active
living.
If
you
go
through
the
unique
locations
bar
bistros,
spa
salon,
massage
dining
room
wellness
rooms-
that's
really
what's
catered
around
the
Aging
in
Place
and
tailored
to
an
empty-nester,
55
plus
community.
If
you
look
at
that
in
the
middle
chart,
it's
about
half
of
that
and
that's
a
traditional
multi-family
complex,
which
you
find
around
Evanston.
U
This
is
a
sample
monthly
calendar.
This
is
set
the
month
before
some
of
these
are
included
in
your
rent
and
some
are
you
pay
as
you
go?
If
you
get
people
downtown
having
a
chef
class
or
whatever
you
do,
you
can
pay
for
the
ala,
carte
transportation
and
entertainment.
This
is
just
a
sample
of
a
property
in
Denver.
This
is
the
site
it's
planned
north.
So
on
the
Oak.
Avenue
is
running
north-south
on
the
west
of
the
page.
U
All
the
areas
in
blue
and
green
are
really
amenities,
lobby,
leasing,
Bistro,
cooking
kitchen,
etc,
and
then
in
the
gray,
is
actually
the
covered
parking
and
then
outside.
This
is
the
the
sole
access
to
and
from
all
the
structured
parking
within
the
site
and
currently
we're
closing
this
curb
cut
in
this
plan.
So
it's
going
from
two
curb
cuts
down
to
one
curb
cut
for
loading
access.
This
is
levels
two
and
three.
This
is
hundred
percent
parking
to
satisfy
the
residents,
visitors
and
staff
on-site.
U
This
is
levels
three
through
sixteen,
which
are
a
hundred
percent
residential.
Two
bedrooms
are
noted
in
the
blue
and
one
bedrooms
and
smaller
are
noted
in
the
other
colors
the
top
level
floor.
17
is
amenities.
There's
a
pool
deck
outside
is
actually
noted
in
gray,
and
anything
inside
is
noted
in
the
blue
color
that
I
mentioned.
So
this
is
on
level
17
for
all
the
residents,
amenities
on
the
ground
level,
plus,
what's
in
denoted
on
417
at
our
Planning
Commission
meeting,
we
had
full
support.
U
One
one
comment
was
to
kind
of
minimize
the
levels
of
articulation
of
the
metal
panel.
Calm
it
down
a
bit.
So
what
we
did
is
showed
you
a
plan
here,
and
this
is
the
original
concept.
This
is
a
revised.
Not
a
material
change
will
work
with
dapper
to
strengthen
that.
But
right
now
we've
shared
this
with
the
finding
commissioner
that
had
a
comment
and
he
is
in
full
support.
U
So
we're
going
to
work
our
way
through
dapper
to
show
them
the
before
and
after
word,
overall,
not
a
not
a
material
change,
I'll
just
zoom
around
the
building.
This
is
a
bird's-eye
view.
Looking
northeast,
this
is
a
bird's-eye
view,
looking
Northwest
over
the
rail.
This
is
a
ground-level
perspective.
Looking
Northeast,
the
rail
would
be
behind
the
building,
and
this
is
a
streetscape
just
to
show
you
of
activate
in
the
street.
Getting
people
on
the
ground
for
safety,
pedestrian,
realm
experiences.
All
in
all.
U
One
hundred
and
sixty
nine
units,
which
was
outlined
average
square
footage,
is
about
818
square
feet.
Our
parking
count
is
located
on
levels
one
through
three
and
it
totals
one
hundred
and
thirty
six,
so
that
is
the
overall
metric.
So
why
do
we
feel,
like
our
allowances
are
reasonable,
given
the
planned
development
and
public
benefit
in
comparison
is?
This
is
just
a
brief
overview.
Alderman
Braithwaite
did
a
great
job
of
talking
about
the
affordability.
U
When
we
originally
met
with
the
a
per
and
staff
we
had
all
those
pay
fee
and
Lou
write
a
check
and
move
on.
So
what
we
did
is
we
work
with
staff
to
get
creative
on
how
we
structure
the
area,
meeting
income
levels
and
tailoring
to
studio
and
one-bedroom
units
given
its
older
demographic,
primarily
single
occupant
households,
so
getting
as
many
people
in
the
building
and
our
cost
was
the
goal,
so
that
is
the
Delta
of
having
it
fee
and
Lou,
or
lowering
the
rent
and
saving
the
cost.
U
We're
actually
about
a
three
point:
five
million
dollar
number
of
loss
on
the
profit.
Looking
at
number
two
is
really
the
20-year
horizon
from
tesca
submitted
of
fiscal
analysis
that
looks
at
what
is
driven
over
twenty
years
to
the
city
itself.
Are
we
think
our
real
estate
tax
is
going
to
be
about
eight
hundred
to
eight
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
year?
U
It's
at
a
net
zero
right
now
it's
a
parking
lot
for
the
office
building,
so
growing
that
tax
base
about
eight
hundred
eight
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
year
from
zero
to
date
is
big
man.
This
is
just
the
city's
portion,
but
obviously
the
school
districts,
etcetera
with
no
impact
on
the
schools,
because
it's
a
jury,
restricted
is
very
material.
U
Jumping.
There's
just
the
the
spreadsheet,
that's
in
your
packet
that
was
submitted
with
staff
and
they've
reviewed
it,
but
this
is
submitted
by
tesca
associates.
Next
is
the
dog
park.
We
had
a
north
portion
of
our
site,
which
was
kind
of
a
triangle
that
we
could
have
just
landscaped.
We
thought
let's
get
creative,
make
it
a
dog
park
open
to
the
public.
All
dogs
would
be
license
with
the
Evanston
rules
and
regulations
just
like
any
other
dog
park,
but
open
to
the
public.
U
Jumping
there
to
the
next
is
wayfinding
signage,
we're
going
to
integrate
wayfinding
signage
working
with
staff
to
make
it
more
pedestrian
friendly
public
benefit
of
bike
stalls
were
including
new
bike
stalls
in
the
right-of-way
for
all
the
neighbors
and
visitors
yeah,
and
then
also
we're
gonna
repaint,
the
bike
lanes
on
Church
Street
between
oak
and
maple,
which
is
south
of
our
site.
So
it's
actually
repainting
that
bike
lane
that's
diminished
over
time,
increasing
parking
stall
count.
One
of
the
big
items
here
was:
what
are
we
doing
to
the
parking
on
the
street?
U
The
public
parking
we're
actually
adding
a
net
gain,
so
there's
45
stalls
there
today
and
we're
gonna,
add
four
of
them
and
they're
also
going
to
be
two
of
the
four
going
to
be
88
compliant
transit
tracker.
That's
just
tying
it
into
the
transit
system
for
visitors
and
occupants
of
our
building.
We're
gonna
have
a
screen
in
the
front
lobby
facing
outside
increasing
the
tree.
Canopies
increasing
the
the
green
space,
we're
adding
six
trees
in
the
right-of-way
over
the
current
count,
covering
the
cost
for
a
countdown
ticker
at
the
intersection
of
Ridge
and
maples.
U
So
that's
not
near
our
site.
It's
an
off-site
fee
and
LU
that
we're
covering
the
cost
for
and
then
looking
at
the
on
street
pay
boxes.
One
of
the
comments
was
a
lot
of
those
meters
are
failing,
they're
expensive
to
maintain
as
part
of
our
development,
we're
going
to
take
those
down
and
pay
fee
and
LU
for
to
pay
boxes.
So
you
can
pay
via
phone
electronically
and
then
this
one
is
really
large.
It
might
not
be
the
largest
figure
on
the
page,
but
safety
is
big
concern
that
we've
heard
throughout
the
public
process.
U
So
our
goal
is
to
make
this
crossing
between
oak
and
the
western
portion
of
our
site
more
safe
and
pedestrian
friendly.
So
we're
adding
signs
increasing
the
curbs
to
shorten
the
crosswalk
for
the
neighborhood.
If
you
take
up
all
those
costs,
we
can
argue
up
or
down
a
few
dollars,
but
I
think
the
magnitude
is
about
four
and
a
half
million
dollars,
depending
on
how
you
look
at
that
affordable
component.
U
U
Our
site
is
to
the
east
of
the
parking
lot
and
that
crosswalk
goes
to
Siena
and
further
west.
We
wanted
to
note
that
it's
about
50
feet,
48
to
50
feet
to
cross
that,
and
we
heard
that
cars
go
very
fast
from
our
community
meetings
and
we
needed
to
soften
that.
So
what
we
did
is
we
shortened
the
crosswalk
we
bumped
out
just
the
corner
there,
so
we're
not
narrowing
the
road
we're
narrowing
the
road
right
there.
U
Given
our
traffic
consultants
review
with
the
city
staff,
add
signage,
make
it
visible
and
make
sure
cars
slow
down.
So
that
is
also
one
item.
This
is
actually
not
our
project.
This
is
the
project
that
was
recently
approved
and
ready
to
break
ground,
the
intersection
of
Clark
and
oak,
so
the
new
senior
housing
development
that'll
be
breaking
ground
here
shortly,
just
to
the
northwest
of
this
page.
This
is
the
existing
conditions
and
we
heard
that
that
corner
is
very
unsafe.
U
We
asked
their
architect
to
overlay
that
onto
our
plan
and
show
that
there
are
means
and
methods
to
improve
the
intersection,
and
what
do
they
look
like
with
our
project
is
basically
adding
the
dog
park
in
the
corner
right
there
and
then
we're
gonna
soften
these
stalls
and
carry
em.
So
that's
where
some
of
that
stall
gain
is
at
the
45
to
49
parking
stall
location.
We
also
heard
that
speed
limit
we've
viewed
that
cars
were
going
way
too
fast.
U
So
actually,
not
us,
but
staff
asked
the
police
team
to
put
out
speedometers
to
gauge
the
error
gauges
of
miles
per
hour
of
cars
traveling
they
didn't
notice
them.
They
didn't
sign
them,
they
put
them
up
and
they
gathered
that.
Actually,
the
speed
limits
25
in
the
average
speed
heading
northbound
is
13.8
miles
per
hour
and
heading
southbound
is
14.1
and
if
you
look
at
on
the
bottom,
these
are
the
high
end
zones.
U
So
yes,
people
speed
above
it,
but
it's
within
means
5
to
10
miles
per
hour
over
on
a
on
a
one-off
basis
during
that
duration.
So
this
was
not
our
analysis.
This
was
actually
the
city's
analysis.
What
we
did
is
we
also
looked
at
what
you
could
build
here
from
code
compliant
and
what
are
those
traffic
patterns
in
congestion?
We
heard
that
it's
an
unsafe
environment
and
what
what
is
gonna
happen
with
your
project,
our
projects,
the
senior
adult
housing
to
the
left.
U
This
is
just
trip
generation
driven
by
standards
that
are
used
across
the
country.
It's
not
trammel,
Crowe,
it's
our
traffic
engineers
using
that
means
and
methods.
If
you
look
up
without
the
age
restriction,
the
traffic
count
grows,
and
then
you
look
at
the
supermarket
hotel,
general
office,
quality,
restaurant
and
specialty
retail,
all
of
which
have
higher
traffic
counts.
This
is
just
the
morning
on
the
Left
chart
and
the
PM
peak,
so
we
look
at
peak
periods
because
during
holidays
are
obviously
different,
but
this
is
really
the
peak
demand.
U
U
Curb
cuts
of
cars
and
trucks
are
not
reversing
out
to
do
loading,
so
what
we
did
is
this
just
shows
you
that
all
of
our
loading
occurs
in
the
South
portion
of
our
site
and
basically
can
do
a
three-point
turn
within
our
building
and
exit
out,
and
it
shows
you
that
they
can
go
both
ways
and
staff
has
reviewed
these
turning
movements.
This
is
the
parking
stall
count
at
forty
five.
Currently,
this
is
showing
that
we're
adding
the
two
and
the
two
eighty
a
within
the
four
increase
from
45
to
49.
U
This
is
not
a
public
parking
lot
like
I
mentioned.
This
was
a
lease
negotiation
with
the
office
building
owner.
This
was
only
for
North
Shore
Medical
they've
since
signed
a
lease
amendment.
They
moved
all
their
parking
across
the
street.
The
office
building
owns
the
garage
below
grade
just
west
of
that
crosswalk
and
those
cars
are
no
longer
parking
in
the
parking
lot
they're
parking
in
the
basement
of
that
building.
So
right
now
it's
closed
down.
There's
no
parking
occurring,
and
this
is
some
of
the
wayfinding
signage
that
you'll
see
throughout
that
parking
garage.
U
We
are
code
compliant
for
parking,
we're
actually
code
compliant
even
for
market-rate,
with
no
age
restrictions,
so
the
older,
the
demographic,
typically,
the
less
car
demand,
but
we're
about
14
stalls
over
code.
If
you
look
at
I
te,
which
is
a
national
guide
of
what
that's
about
0.5
9
per
unit
point
six
six
per
unit
and
if
you
average
all
the
more
about
25
cars
over
that
we've
met
with
the
bird-friendly
group
of
Evanston,
we've
integrated
their
recommendations
in
the
facade
zone,
one
so
collisions
of
birds
are
very
important.
We
agree
with
that.
U
We're
in
support
of
that
we're
spending
money
to
glass
in
the
lower
levels.
The
building
some
birds
don't
see
through
the
building
and
try
to
fly
through
it.
They
actually
see
some
articulation.
We
change
our
balcony
designed
to
not
be
100%
glass,
we're
breaking
that
vertically
with
pendants
to
support
it,
but
also
break
it
for
the
birds,
then
also
the
change
in
materials
was
really
driven
by
some
of
those
meetings.
Early
on
in
the
process,
we've
also
heard
that
are
we
restricting
certain
people?
No
or
not?
U
U
Also,
we
wanted
to
show
you
that
we
take
pride
in
every
project.
We
work
with
Burnham
associates
to
integrate
accessibility
ad
a
compliant
and
go
above
and
beyond
codes.
So
everything
on
this
plan,
I
think
you'll,
hear
tonight
some
of
the
concerns,
and
we
share
that.
That's
why
we
picked
this
site
where
we
view
this
as
we're
both
striving
to
improve
the
area.
So
we
start
from
the
outside
of
the
building
working
our
way
into
the
building
and
then
in
the
units
itself.
So
all
these
strategies
that
come
at
a
cost
we
believe
in
it.
U
These
are
above
code,
not
one,
not
anything
on
that
pages,
just
a
code
compliant
level
of
a
da
and
I'll
end
with
the
height
and
sorry
I'm
running
out
of
breath
here,
but
the
height
here
is
our
site
is
176
feet
to
the
roof
of
the
17th
floor,
as
you
can
see,
as
you
work
east
to
the
rail
259
feet
and
as
you
go
south
it
moves
around.
This
is
just
a
side
section
of
the
height
to
show
you
where
we
fit
in
within
context
and
then
also
to
show
you
where
we
fit
in
with.
U
If
we
were
to
maximize
the
site
development
allowance,
which
is
allowed
under
the
code,
so
we're
actually
not
maximizing
it.
We
wanted
to
fit
within
the
realm
of
the
area,
and
we
view
that
this
is
the
right
plan
last.
This
is
the
height
dimension.
Looking
plan
north
189
feet
to
the
top
of
the
parapet,
but
really
by
code,
it's
176
feet
to
the
roof
and
then
looking
at
where
it
could
fit
in
it
pretty
similar,
given
its
in
the
area,
that's
zoned
on
the
east
side
of
oak.
U
B
V
The
majority
of
my
time
at
least
two
to
three
of
these
people
are
present
at
home
at
one
time,
without
access
to
parking
within
the
building,
we
are
required
to
find
parking
on
the
street
or
in
the
neighborhood,
with
the
construction
of
the
new
assistive
living
facility
at
18:15,
Ridge
and
the
coming
months.
The
strain
on
the
neighborhood
will
only
increase
during
construction
and
after
all,
traffic
for
eighteen,
fifteen
and
seventeen.
Twenty
seven
will
utilize
this
corner
of
oak
and
Clark
Street
Oh
Gavin
Erin.
V
V
18:15
is
adding
another
population
of
people
with
special
needs,
even
larger
than
the
community.
Already
there
Sienna
and
therefore
the
density
congestion
safety
risk
added
by
169
additional
units
in
such
a
confined
space
will
only
be
half
black
away.
Can
I
be
underestimated,
disregarded
or
ignored.
Building
a
development
of
this
magnitude
in
such
a
confined
area
will
compromise
the
safety
and
quality
of
life
of
yet
another
population
of
people.
V
In
addition
of
the
residents
with
disabilities
at
Siena,
they
too
have
a
right
to
a
safe,
supportive
neighbourhood
in
the
community
that
enables
them
to
live
their
best
life
if
Evanson
is
truly
committed
to
helping
seniors
and
disabled
residents
have
the
quality
of
life
that
we
deserve.
You
will
not
compromise
their
safety
and
well-being
by
adding
this
second
development
in
this
area.
Please
support
the
needs
of
the
disabled
community.
It's
yeah
and
the
aging
population
coming
at
1815
rich,
not
the
profit
of
this
development.
Please
do
not
vote
to
recommend
just
roaming.
Thank
you.
X
Hi,
my
name
is
Libby
Hill
I
represent
very
friendly,
Evanston
and
I'm
gonna
be
very
brief
about
it.
We
know
that
birds
fly
through
here,
migration
and
Evanston
by
the
thousands
in
April
and
May
and
and
then
in
October.
They
fly
back
to
their
breeding
grounds,
so
we're
appreciative
of
of
staff
and
also
of
the
developer
for
having
actually
made
accommodations
for
birds
so
that
birds
will
not
be
flying
into
the
window.
Not
every
organ.
Every
developer
makes
these
accommodations,
so
we're
really.
X
B
Y
Y
If
we
build
these
two
large
developments
at
the
same
intersection,
what
will
the
last
thing
that
be
on
the
neighborhood
it's
hard
to
say,
but
developers
laid
out
some
of
the
effects
for
you
in
the
packet,
the
intersection
of
Church
and
ridge
will
go
from
a
C
to
a
D
letter
grade
C
to
a
D
northbound
in
the
morning
rush
from
a
C
to
a
D
southbound
in
the
evening
rush.
Now
this
is
a
main
north-south
artery.
This
is
how
my
neighbors
get
to
work
to
school
to
their
medical
appointments.
Y
I'll,
take
a
step
back
and
pause
for
a
moment
and
think
about
what
sort
of
city
we
want
haven't
seem
to
be,
and
whether
developments
like
the
one
up
for
discussion
this
evening
with
zero
setback,
no
green
space,
a
net
loss
of
trees
on
the
site,
an
unlicensed
design
firm,
not
compliant
with
the
affordable
housing
ordinance,
whether
that
type
of
element
is
consistent
with
that
Evanston
in
our
minds
and
with
our
values.
I
know
my
answer.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
If
your
hard
welcome
to
Hanson
thank.
Z
Hi
folks,
my
name
is
TJ
Callahan
and
one
of
the
owners
of
our
mouths
Tavern
in
downtown
Evanston
as
a
business
owner
in
downtown
Devon
Stan.
We
pay
a
lot
of
taxes
to
the
community
and
we
also
employ
quite
a
lot
of
people
from
Evanston,
so
we're
truly
vested
and
what
is
going
on
downtown
Evanston
when
new
development
potentially
comes
into
downtown.
You
know
we
care
a
lot
about.
Does
it
enhance
the
character
of
the
downtown
city
district?
Z
A
development
like
this,
which
is
going
to
bring
a
lot
of
folks
in
that
are
primarily
pedestrian
oriented?
Is
it
is
attractive.
It
will
bring
more
businesses
support
the
downtown
community.
You
have
a
wonderful
downtown
as
part
of
the
reason
why
so
many
people
want
to
be
in
Evanston
so
very
carefully
thoughtful.
The
created
development
that
comes
into
downtown
there's
something
to
be
supported.
Thanks
Thank.
AA
Good
evening
my
name
is
Philippa
field.
My
wife
and
I
live
in
the
Third
Ward
we
own
a
unit
in
the
Siena
condominium,
where
our
daughter,
Mary
Jo
lives,
who
we've
already
heard
from
Mary
Jo,
is
part
of
a
disabled
community
of
of
20
young
adults
who
live
at
Siena.
Our
other
daughter,
who
was
part
of
Mary
Jo's
care
team,
owns
another
unit
in
Siena
in
lives.
There
I
have
written
to
each
one
of
you
individually,
voicing
our
opposition
to
the
1727
oak
project.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
are
now
alone
I've.
AA
That
truck
route
is
for
semi
trailers,
delivery,
trucks,
you
name
it.
The
full
full
gamut
of
of
truck
traffic,
getting
from
north
from
loop
from
the
north
to
downtown
Evanston
and
the
post
office
is
on
Clark.
You
know
just
a
few
steps.
North
of
this
main
truck
route
is
1815
Ridge,
which
you've
heard
about
and
and
I've
shown,
the
some
of
the
pictures
and
the
documentation
around
1815
Ridge.
On
pages,
two
three
and
four
of
the
PowerPoint.
AA
Yet,
and
you
and
you've
heard
from
others
that
the
effects
of
the
1815
Ridge
project
on
date
triumphs
time.
Traffic
and
parking
in
this
neighborhood
when
combined
with
1727
oak,
is
simply
unknown.
I
am,
in
light
of
all
this.
The
developer
right
now
is
effectively
asking
the
City
Council
to
approve
its
plan,
while
those
affected
and
living
in
this
neighborhood
are
left
to
hope
for
the
best
that
it's
all
gonna
work
out
in
the
face
of
these
obvious
unknowns.
AA
Mr.
Cofield,
oh
I'm,
almost
done
his
remarks
at
the
end
of
the
plan
commission
meeting
the
chairman
of
that
committee
said
he
acknowledged
these
problems
and
said
let
the
city
figure
it
out.
Well,
here
we
are.
We
two
saw
the
notorious
RBG
over
the
weekend
and
I
respectfully
urge
the
City
Council
to
take
its
time.
AA
Take
some
incremental
steps
here.
Let
18:15
Ridge
be
built,
allow
the
impact
of
1815
Ridge
to
be
known
and
understood
in
this
community
and
then
consider
what
would
be
an
appropriate
development
for
1727
oak
in
relation
to
the
real
world.
I
simply
submit
that
good
planning,
some
public
policy
and
responsiveness
to
the
to
this
community
requires
nothing
less.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
AB
Good
evening,
I'm
Ian
saikhan
I'm,
the
executive
director
at
Center
for
independent
futures,
and
we
have
a
our
organization-
has
a
condominium
in
the
sand
community,
where
we
have
support
people
who
live
there
and
provide
support
for
overnight
support
for
individuals
with
disabilities.
My
concern
with
two
major
projects
going
on
at
the
exact
same
time,
number
one
is
just
basic
planning
and
safety
doesn't
appear
to
be
addressed
here
when
you
have
a
very
narrow
area
there
and
it's
a
truck
route.
AB
To
be
able
to
do
two
major
projects
like
that
at
the
same
time
does
not
seem
to
be
a
well-planned
approach.
I
think
that,
since
you
know
the
the
project
that
we'll
be
adding
163
approved
units
already
on
Ridge
has
already
been
approved.
It
would
make
sense
to
get
that
started
and
let
that
be
developed
and
then
look
at
what
makes
sense
for
going
across
from
Siena
and
the
other
thing
that
I
want
to
be
sensitive.
AB
AB
As
you
know,
a
friend
of
mine
who
comes
to
visit
and
has
to
park
two
or
three
blocks
away,
there's
already
much
of
a
challenge
for
individuals
with
disabilities
to
be
able
to
hire
staff
who
will
be
able
to
be
there
to
support
them
and
then
to
just
tell
staff
well
you'll
have
to
park
four
or
five
blocks
away
you.
You
may
not
think
that
that's
a
big
issue,
but
it
is
an
issue.
It's
an
issue
when
people
can
get
in
and
get
out
and
be
there
when
they
need
to
be
able
to
support
individual.
AB
It's
not
always
an
8-hour
shift.
Sometimes
it's
a
nurse
who's
coming
in
or
someone
else
who's
coming
in
for
maybe
one
hour
when
you're
spending,
you
know
20-25
minutes
of
your
time,
walking
to
and
from
you've
lost
a
lot
of
time
for
individuals
and
it
becomes
less
desirable
to
be
making
that
type
of
a
commitment.
So
I
just
want
to
ask
you
to
be
mindful
of
that,
and
that
the
parking
is
really
a
very
big
issue
for
our
community.
Thank.
W
It's
been
a
long
evening,
so
first
off
I'd
like
to
thank
you
all
for
listening
to
us.
You
guys
have
a
very
hard
job,
I'm,
realizing
that
from
these
past
six
months
that
I've
been
involved
in
this
and
I'm
after
living.
Here
for
ten
years,
I
can
say:
I've
been
to
the
most
council
meetings
in
the
most
public
meetings
that
I've
ever
been
to
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
a
tough
job.
W
So
anyway,
I
have
a
note
here
from
Deborah
long
who's,
an
owner
in
1740,
Oak
Avenue.
She
wanted
me
to
read
to
you.
I
have
written
to
all
of
you
regarding
the
issue
of
Trammell
crows
employment
of
Aaron
Rosoff
and
his
architectural
firm
ESG
I
want
to
bring
you
up
to
date
and
clarify
you
clarify
a
number
of
issues
regarding
licensure
of
this
individual
and
his
firm.
It
is
unlawful
for
Aaron
Rosoff,
the
named
architect
and
ESG
his
firm
to
be
practicing
in
Illinois
without
a
license
from
this
state.
There
is
no
record
of
mr.
W
Joseph
ever
being
licensed
in
this
state.
Esg
has
an
expired,
Illinois
license
from
April
2017.
Until
last
week
it
has
been
unlawfully
operating
in
this
state
for
more
than
one
year,
a
complaint
regarding
licensure
against
mr
ratha.
'the
Rosyth
and
his
firm
has
been
filed
with
the
Illinois
Department
of
Financial
and
Professional
Regulation.
This
complaint
has
been
investigated
and
is
now
being
referred
to
prosecution.
W
There
have
been
misleading
statements
about
the
firm's
licensure
to
various
city
officials
in
the
public
at
the
April
11th
Planning
Commission
meeting
Tremmel
Crow's
represented
representative
Johnny
Carlson
stated
that
Raza
and
ESG
were
properly
licensed.
This
is
false.
The
license
that
was
shown
to
the
city
plan
commissioned
at
that
moment
was
that
of
Christopher
Willett.
Who,
though,
license
Illinois
cosmetology.
W
W
Okay,
I'm
just
gonna
skip
ahead
here.
I
doubt
that
anyone
in
this
room
tonight
would
want
to
be
treated
by
an
unlicensed
doctor.
Have
their
children
taught
by
an
unlicensed
teacher
licensing
is
a
privilege,
one
that
is
acquired
by
meeting
professional
standards
and
testing
for
competence.
It
should
not
be
taken
lightly
at
a
minimum.
This
body
should
defer
any
decision
on
this
proposal
until
the
Illinois
licensing
authority
has
completed
its
investigation
of
the
complaint
filed
against
Roth,
a--the,
Rosyth
and
ESG,
so
this
is
by
Deborah
Leung
she's
education
for
licensed
professionals.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
P
That's
an
important
corner,
as
everyone
has
discussed
it.
Anyone
who
drives
to
Evanston
knows
I.
Think
we've
tried
very
hard
in
Evanston
to
avoid
having
D
intersections
to
the
greatest
degree
we
can
having
a
C
intersection
is
not
particularly
good.
You
know,
C
is
not
really
average,
it
means
not
functioning
very
well,
and
so
that
gives
me
a
lot
of
pause
about
this.
It
is
an
enormous
change.
That's
going
to
happen
here
in
this
relatively
small
block
and
and
it's
with
the
addition
of
1815
oak,
it's
a
little
unpredictable.
P
What
will
happen
and
then
to
have
1727
added
to
it.
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
change
with
and
as
mr.
mr.
I
think,
one
of
the
speaker
said
we're
just
hoping
for
the
best
I
agree
that
the
planned
Commission
did
send
this
to
us
with
a
lot
of
hope
for
the
best
commentary,
which
I
think
is
really
unsatisfying.
I
I'd,
like
them
and
I
understand.
They
may
not
have
current
the
right
answers
to
it,
but
I
think
if
they
could
send
things
to
us
with
more
detailed
questions
and
their
concerns.
P
That
would
be
helpful.
So
I
am
very
worried
about
about
the
traffic
study
and
what
it
indicates.
I
also
am
very
concerned
about
this
being
a
truck
route
and
the
impact
that
that
will
have
on
a
community
that
is
aimed
at
people
who
are
55
and
above
and
in
fact
72
and
above
is
what
what
we're
hearing
and.
P
P
Think
most
of
the
rest
of
the
council
feels
very
strongly
that
public
benefits
are
not
things
that
you
are
quite
required
to
do
by
law,
telling
us
what
the
real
estate
taxes
will
be
on
our
property
is
has
the
same
benefit
to
me
as
telling
me
that
you're,
including
fire
doors
on
your
property,
and
we
require
you
to
have
the
fire
doors.
That's
not
a
public
benefit.
It's
something!
That's
required
by
law.
Public
benefits
are
things
that
are,
in
addition,
things
that
are
different.
P
That
really
make
this
project
particularly
attractive
to
us
and
and
are
a
fair
trade-off
for
the
zoning
and
variant
variances
that
are
being
requested.
Affordable
housing
is
now
part
of
our
law.
I.
Don't
consider
that
to
be
a
public
benefit,
that's
touted
that
should
be
touted
by
any
development.
It's
part
of
our
law.
It
should
be
done.
O
You
alderman
wouldn't
touched
on
one
of
the
points
that
the
other
project
is
a
it's
a
finite
proposal.
One
of
the
things
I'm
wondering
is
if,
if
your
traffic
consultants
could
for
lack
of
a
better
way
of
putting
it
update
this
with
you
know,
including
the
analysis
of
the
additional
project,
that's
the
that's
on
the
table.
So
is
that
something
that
we
could
get
updated
data
on
that.
U
Traffic
study
actually
included
that
and
included
a
few
other
projects
that
were
planned
and
then
also
growth
of
the
areas.
So
all
that
was
baked
into
the
analysis
so
I
think
that
was
incorrect.
I
think
staff
Scott,
if
you
wanna,
speak
to
that
all
the
growth
in
our
traffic
study
was
including
those
developments.
Okay,.
AC
Good
evening
my
name
is
Javier
Millan
I'm,
a
senior
consultant
of
Callaway
incorporated
and,
as
it
was
mentioned,
I
fell
a
little
bit
disturb
of
the
idea
that
we
didn't
include
the
developments
in
reality.
When
you
do
a
traffic
story,
you
cannot
just
analyze
it
in
a
vacuum.
Otherwise
it's
really
not
it's
very
this
ingenious.
AC
You
know,
so
you
have
to
include
developments
that
are
either
plan
or
approve
in
the
area,
so
we
included
the
traffic
by
our
development,
certainly
the
one
at
eight
and
fifteen
rich
Avenue
601
Davis
Street
1571,
Maple,
Avenue,
1454,
Sherman
Avenue.
On
top
of
that,
we
also
took
the
existing
traffic
counts
and
we
increase
them
by
a
growth
factor
of
0.5
percent
per
year
for
five
years.
You
might
ask
why
well
that's
what
we
call
background
growth,
not
attributable
to
any
specific
developments
as
growth
that
can
happen
in
the
next
five
years.
AC
That
were
not
aware
of
something
that
could
be
coming
up.
So
we
didn't
analyze
this
in
a
vacuum,
so
we
included
all
that
because
of
all
those
developments
and
that
growth
that
we
included.
That's
where
you
start
seeing
the
so-called
degradation
of
the
of
the
southland
movement
I
wanted
to
understand
if
you
log
them
in
and
how
we
looked
at
this,
the
site
traffic
at
that
intersection
of
rich
and
sorry
written
Church,
it
amounts
to
0.5%
or
less.
AC
The
reason
for
the
degradation
that
is
so-called
from
C
to
D
is
mainly
for
the
two
and
a
half
percent
growth
that
we're
applying
and
again.
This
is
an
assumption
that
it's
gonna
keep
on
growing.
It
might
go
stable,
but
again
you
you
analyze
the
worst
case.
Conditions
D
is
acceptable.
Let
me
explain
something:
I
know
it
sounds
very
similar
to
school.
Abcd
I
have
the
and
understand
F
wrote
are
designed
for
level
service
D
and
you
might
go
whoa.
AC
Why
be
the
reason
why
you
don't
design
for
level
service,
B
or
C
or
even
a
you,
would
probably
end
up
having
eight
Lane
roadways
at
almost
every
intersection
or
every
community?
So
you
don't
design
for
that,
but
you
want
to
design
for
level
service
T
you
don't
design
for
F.
Certainly
I
mean
you
don't
want
that,
but
these
are
like
several
levels
of
service
acceptable
by
the
county,
acceptable
for
municipalities,
hacks,
that's
all
by
the
state
to
so
again
reality.
O
A
couple
you
know,
one
of
it,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
spending
a
good
bit
of
time
on
is
addressing
the
traffic
concerns
on
Ridge.
You've,
probably
seen
that
we've
reduced,
reduce
the
speed
limit.
We've
made
some
signal
changes
to
kind
of
balance
things
out,
but
what
I
guess?
What
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
doing
is.
O
In
conjunction
with
that,
what
we've
also
seen
is
I
call
them
the
aggressive
drivers.
So
you
know
you
make
a
change
in
one
place
and
you
see
a
change
in
a
pattern
somewhere
else,
because
aggressive
drivers
will
adapt
to
you
know
the
signal
conditions.
I
don't
want
to
create
a
situation
where
we
are
creating
hostilities
in
in
the
adjacent
areas.
Because
of
this
because
of
the
change
we've
made
some
very,
very
expensive
changes
to
the
Green
Bay
Ridge
intersection
to
try
to
get
away
from
our
D
level
of
service
and
get
it.
O
You
know
back
to
a
more
functional
functional
level.
We
still
have
problems
with
I
think
those
problems
tend
to
be
more
related
to
a
disregard
of
you
know,
don't
block
the
intersection
people
block
the
intersection,
so
it's
it's
more
driver,
behavior,
I,
think
as
as
opposed
to
the
actual
design
of
the
intersection,
but
it
doesn't
take
away
from
that's
the
practical
reality.
O
AC
O
Fell
on
approach,
you
know
we,
you
know
if
we
don't
know
how
many
people
are
gonna,
go
north
on
Ridge,
exiting
these
two
projects
versus
South
on
Oak
on
to
church
and
then
into
the
neighborhood.
So
that's
sort
of
an
unknown
I'm,
not
sure
really.
If
we
can
figure
that
out
prospectively
at
all.
Well,
you
have
a
census
and
you
can't
go
left
on
a
ridge
correctly
correctly.
AC
We
do
when
we
count,
we
look
at
the
traffic
patterns
excusing
traffic
patterns
and,
for
the
most
part,
those
tend
to
be
commuters.
Just
you
me,
and
people
are
going
to
work
so
for
the
most
part
they
will
follow.
That
does
it
mean
that
it's
gonna
be
a?
Sadly,
you
know
to
a
tee
like
if
we
estimate
that
it's
gonna
be
15
vehicles,
it's
gonna
be
a
cycle
of
15;
no,
it
could
be
18,
it
could
be
12,
but
it's
gonna
be
within
that
magnitude.
AC
So
we
we
actually
estimate
that,
based
on
the
existing
traffic
counts,
we
also
looked
at
the
access
price
and
we
counted
them
for
other
facilities
condominiums
in
the
in
the
area.
So
you
know
what
the
travel
patterns
are
and
you
tailor
those
or
the
new
ones
based
on
those,
because
most
likely
are
going
to
follow
those
again.
Could
it
be
a
little
bit
different
yeah,
but
it
still
gonna
be
wouldn't
that
magnitude
that
I
that
I
mentioned
so
that
was
taken
into
account.
AC
Some
of
the
things
that
I
believe
that
we're
not
mention
is
the
they
are
going
to
contribute
correctly
from
wrong
money
towards
pedestrian
count
on
timers.
So
that's
something
that
wasn't
brought
up.
You
know,
but
it's
to
enhance
the
pedestrian
safety
and
accessibility.
Also,
the
other
development
1815.
The
one
further
north
is
also
going
to
contribute
towards
the
other
signal
for
pedestrian
count
on
timers,
so
it
is
definitely
enhancing
the
pedestrian
safety
and
accessibility
that
you
see
today.
AC
By
dose,
it's
been
proven
that
pedestrians
count
on
timers
helped
a
lot
vehicles
to
I
shall
be
aware
that
you
know
it's
counting
down,
but
as
well
as
pedestrians.
So
so
that's
been
done.
Sorry
if
I
digress,
but
I
know
it
was
brought
up
about
the
trucks,
the
truck
route.
Okay,
oh
no!
Sorry
walk
in
Clark.
If
you
remember
they
are
in
combination.
Tandem,
18
15
is
actually
redoing
that
intersection,
because
right
now
it's
a
little
bit
awkward
I
mean
and
everybody
has
seen
it
driven
it.
AC
So
they're
redoing
that
intersection
and
they're
providing
crosswalks
on
the
north
leg
and
crosswalks
on
the
west
leg
and
they
are
actually
softened
in
the
southwest
radius
or
curvature,
and
an
opening
the
radius
on
the
east
side
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
of
trucks,
because
right
now,
in
recent
conditions,
the
big
trucks
they
do
it
but
cannot
make
it
and
what
they
do
is
just
they
encroach.
And
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
make
it
better.
AC
Not
I
mean
if
something
is
encroaching,
you
try
to
alleviate
or
help
so
in
conjunction
by
doing
that.
We're
actually
accommodating
those
trucks
that
today
are
encroaching,
and
you
have
seen
that
we
have
seen
it.
We
have
the
video
so
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
being
done
in
here
to
actually
rectify
existing
deficiencies
and
not
make
it
worse.
Okay,.
O
O
Point
that
I
am
concerned
about
is
is
the
staging
of
the
project
and
things
like
where
the
construction
workers
gonna
park,
things
of
that
nature.
So
a
recently
approved
project
that
we
looked
at
had
it.
You
know
a
bit
of
a
I'll
call
it
a
coherent
plan
for
how
that
staging
is
going
to
work
and
how
that's
gonna
look.
O
So
if
we
could
get
something
along
those
lines
so
and
I
and
I
would
like
the
developer
to
collaborate
with
the
other
developer
in
putting
that
together
for
us,
because
I
think
it's
gonna
have
the
choir
a
collaborative
effort.
You
know
you
can't
have
people
parking
like
you
know,
six
blocks
up,
Church
Street
I
mean
I.
Guess
you
could,
but
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is,
you
know,
organized
and
it
doesn't
create
a
two
year
long
or
a
year
and
a
half
long.
U
That
that's
a
great
question,
I
think
that
was
brought
up
one
of
our
first
neighborhood
meetings
about
alley,
traffic
and
blocking
and
reversing.
So
our
plan
is
to
stage
all
within
our
site.
We
have
a
southern
area,
that's
the
main
drive
and
you
can
stage
there.
We're
gonna
have
to
you
know,
work
with
you
know,
deliveries,
etc
with
flagman
and
working
with
the
project
to
the
north,
but
as
part
of
working
with
the
church
and
a
lot
of
other
concerns
all
our
braithwaite.
We
want
to
have
a
joint
meeting
before
any
project.
U
Word
ever
break
ground.
Just
say:
here's.
What
is
gonna
go
on
we're
gonna
notice
you
when
big
activities
are
going
to
occur,
here's
one
precast
is
gonna,
deliver
it
here.
Zone
steel
is
gonna,
get
delivered
so
look
out
for
it
and
we'll
work
with
that
communication,
but
we
did
not
want
to
host
that
meeting
until
we
were
through
the
process
like
this
this
evening,
but
just
know
that
it's
on
our
list,
it's
as
important
as
anyone
to
be
safe.
Keep
our
workers
safe,
keep
the
neighborhood
safe.
A
AD
A
AD
U
AD
U
That's
a
great
comment:
we've
actually
reached
out
to
some
of
the
folks
at
Siena
to
have
a
discussion
about
that.
We
did
hear
back.
We
will
commit
to
working
with
them
to
have
caregiver
parking.
We
just
don't
know
who
is
it
going
to
go
through?
Is
that
the
program
is
that
the
owners,
okay,
but
ownership
of
the
office
building,
is
willing
and
we're
willing
to
make
sure
we
connect
and
allow
for
that
to.
AD
U
AD
U
Okay,
thank
you
and
we've
also
been
told
we've
working
with
a
general
contractor.
That's
done
work
and,
having
said
that,
some
of
the
community
or
the
city
parking
decks.
They
want
the
construction
workers
to
utilize
those
so
we're.
We
are
full
an
agreement
that
we
are
not
trying
to
go
into
neighborhoods
in
part
we're
all
four
of
the
close
proximity.
Public
ramps
pay.
U
Think
the
the
schedule
that
we're
looking
at
is
pretty
similar
to
the
other
project
may
be
plus
minus
a
month.
So
I
think
the
goal
is
we've
spoken
with
the
churches,
it's
better
to
get
it
all
done
at
once
than
18
months
deliver
another
18
months.
So
our
goal
is
to
meet
their
same
deadline
and
that's
obviously
conditioned
upon
getting
through
this
committee
and
the
next
steps,
but
we're
here
to
try
to
break
ground.
If
all
goes
well,
this
fall
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
AC
B
I
was
just
curious,
as
you
were
here
and
a
resource.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
route
that
I'm
really
familiar
with.
I
had
a
business
on
the
ten
hundred
block
of
Davis
Street.
Not
only
did
I
traverse
this
multiple
times
a
day,
but
that
large
trucks
servicing
our
business
came
down
this
route
as
well.
I
can
tell
you
that,
even
in
the
best
weather
I
mean
not
winter
conditions
or
snow
conditions.
This
was
a
very,
very
tight
road
to
to
travel
and
I'm
really
concerned
about
that.
B
D
B
AC
AC
But
I'm
not
saying
they
don't
drive,
but
I'm
talking
active
adults
for
the
most
part.
It's
a
lifestyle
like
like
they
say,
and
the
surveys
what
was
alluded
to
this
is
not
just
something
that
survey
and
hey
were
fine.
This
is
industry
standards
and
we're
talking
hundreds
of
surveys
all
over
the
United
States.
So
you
get
to
see
the
lows.
Sorry,
the
lows:
the
highs
and
you
get
to
see
what
is
the
the
normal
trip
generation?
AC
That's
that's
what
we
use
now,
as
it
was
alluded
to
some
of
these
people
are
retired,
so
my
still
be
working.
You
know
there
may
be
work
working
part
time.
I,
you
have
to
hold
Gannon
the
whole
the
whole
broad
spread
from
the
people
that
are
retired,
like
my
my
mom
and
dad
they're,
still
very
active.
They
still
live
in
their
home,
but
they
avoid
driving
at
7:00
in
the
morning
are
aid
they
rather
leave
a
little
bit
later,
because
they're,
sick
and
tired
riving
in
traffic
and
I
know
it.
AC
Alright,
they
just
leave
a
little
bit
later.
Those
are
one
of
the
characteristics
that
you
will
seen
here.
Another
one
is
people
that
are
55
or
older.
For
the
most
part,
they
tend
not
to
be
tied
up
to,
let's
say
school
activity.
You
know
you
have
to
bring
your
son
to
school,
or
you
know
things
like
that.
That's
why
the
trip
generation
goes
down,
I'm,
not
saying
that,
isn't
it
doesn't
generate
anything
I
am
NOT,
saying
that,
but
it
is
less
than
any
other
land
use.
AC
B
Well,
thank
you
for
an
answer
and
I
think
we
need
to
move
along.
So
the
last
thing,
I
will
just
say,
is
truck
service
businesses
when
they're,
open
and
so
a
lot
of
businesses
downtown
are
open
at
9:30
10
o'clock
in
the
morning.
So
you
see
a
lot
of
truck
activity
at
that
time,
so
you
don't
see
it
during
rush
hour
or
so
in
the
during
the
day.
There's
just
a
lot
of
congestion
going
on,
but
thank
you,
okay.
C
S
It's
alright.
There
are
for
site
development
allowances
that
are
being
sought
for
this
project,
they're
relatively
minor
nature,
compared
to
what
we've
seen
and
in
some
other
planned
developments
as
stated
they're
not
exceeding
to
exceed
maximum
site
development
allowance
for
height
they're,
within
the
floor
area
ratio.
So
overall
volume
for
the
project.
S
They
are
within
the
parking
requirements,
122
required
through
fighting
136
with
some
of
those
being
tandem,
but
but
exceeding
the
122
required
so
development
allowances
that
are
there
at
the
loading
berth,
one
being
provided
versus
two,
the
setback
being
compliant
at
the
first
floor,
second
and
third
floor
being
a
variance
there.
Her
site
development
allowance
for
the
amount
of
setback
in
those
levels,
but
then
again
becoming
compliant
for
the
remaining
levels
of
the
parking.
So
in
general
they
are
lesser
than
some
other
developments
and.
S
That
there
there
are
two
options
and
under
the
iho,
as
you
all
are
aware,
they
can
either
provide
fee
and
LU
or
provide
10%
of
units
on
site.
In
this
case,
the
code
would
require
the
on
site
to
be
all
at
50
and
60
percent
of
area
median
income
in
this
case
they're
providing
the
full
ten
percent
the
number
of
units
17
units
on
site.
However,
the
allocation
of
those
are
at
50,
60
and
80
percent.
AC
B
P
Wanted
to
ask
in
terms
of
looking
at
other
active
senior
development.
Do
you
have
a
sense
of?
Obviously
this
would
probably
vary
by
individual,
but
what's
the
average
time
that
someone
lives
in
this,
because
if
my
understanding
is
that
would
care
if
someone
loses
mobility,
for
whatever
reason
at
age,
71,
caregivers
are
are
allowed
to
come
in
and
provide
some
care.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
U
We
would
not
restrict
anything
we
don't
have
the
right
to
restrict.
Typically,
what
we've
seen
is
people
would
live
there
until
life
change,
and
then
they
would
move
to
cross
the
street
to
the
continuum
of
care.
For
instance,
just
north
of
this
average
length
of
stay
is
longer,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
our
earlier
meeting
with
the
loading
burse,
everything
is
going
to
be
organized
for
move
ins
and
move
outs
with
staff
level.
On-Site
you're
not
going
to
have
a
lot
of
move-ins
like
a
traditional
apartment.
U
Every
year,
people
looking
for
the
best
deal,
they're
moving
there
for
a
period
of
time,
plus
minus
five
to
six
years
as
they're
selling
their
home
and
moving
and
wanting
to
stay
within
community.
So
as
part
of
our
condition,
we
have
to
abide
by
an
administer
all
loading
and
deliveries
to
occur
within
that
one
loading
dock
we've
never
built
one
with
two:
it
I
think
it's
more
of
a
code
driven
and
then
you
add,
the
age
restriction
longer
stay
on
site
staff,
double
the
staff
because
it's
active
versus
a
traditional.
U
So
that's
why
we
were
comfortable
and
I.
Think
Y
dapper
and
the
staff
reviewed
it
in
our
traffic
insulting.
We
typically,
we
also
don't
have
an
alley
running
on
our
site,
and
that
would
be
a
lot
easier
if
we
could
just
have
a
drop-off,
you
read
usually
the
code,
you
build
it,
but
you
use
one.
That's
that's
traditionally
of
how
we
look
at
them.
So.
P
U
P
U
T
When
you
see
large
trucks-
and
you
are
standing,
there
is
a
perception
of
speed
of
the
vehicles
and
one
of
the
things
that
and
I'm
asking
Scot
I'm,
hoping
that
you
can
pull
up
the
notes
from
the
plan
Commission
meeting
that
it
was
very
important
that
we
explain
to
the
neighbors
that
I
understand
their
concerns
and
that
when
you
come
around
that
corner,
you
actually
are
forced
to
slow
down.
I
was
just
having
this
discussion
with
alderman
Holmes,
with
with
our
meeting
at
the
church
that
typically
and
I
use
that
road.
T
Quite
a
bit,
the
most
busiest
time
of
that
neighborhood
of
that
bend
is
on
Friday
and
Saturday
after
seven
o'clock.
Otherwise
there
are
times
where
you
can
almost
roll
a
bowling
ball,
but
again,
just
out
of
a
sense
of
responsibility.
I
think
it's
important
that
when
you
look
at
that
speed
study
when
you're
coming
around
that
call
that
quote
that
Corner
alderman
fist
any
season
day
or
night,
you
are
forced
to
slow
down
because
of
the
curve
of
that,
and
we
have
and
I.
T
Think
again,
it's
important
to
note
that
within
the
second
Ward
we
have
a
numerous
disability
communities,
particularly
right
there.
On
Dempster
and
I,
specifically
asked
officer
Napier,
you
know:
have
we
have
any
major
concerns
or
excuse
me
major
accidents
along
Dempster,
because
we
have
real
mend
services
and
we
also
have
have
dreams
which
is
a
much
faster
route.
I
I
don't
want
to
compare
apples
apples,
but
the
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
they're,
disabled
families
and
communities
all
over
Evanston
and
we
do
an
excellent
job,
making
sure
that
we
protect
them
and
I.
T
B
O
Just
super
fast:
it's
the
observation
and
concern.
I
have
on
the
change
to
the
intersection
says.
Human
nature
is
that
if
you,
if
you
get
stuck
at
the
light
two
cycles,
you're
gonna
be
frustrated
and
you're
gonna.
You
know
proceed
beyond
that
point:
Adam,
potentially
a
more
assertive
fashion.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
getting
at
and
I.
Think
you
understood
from
the
dialogue
that
we
had
I
want
to
try
to
mitigate
and
minimize
those
types
of
you
know:
they're,
not
good
reactions,
but
I
think
they're,
they're,
predictable
and
they're
expected.
O
O
B
B
X
AE
Thank
you
very
much,
and
thanks
again
to
all
the
staff
and
the
various
departments
we've
been
working
with
over
the
last
18
months
on
this
project.
As
you'll
see,
this
is
a
relatively
modest
scale
project,
but
one
given
its
location
and
the
history
of
the
site.
We
believe
it
will
have
a
pretty
significant
positive
impact
on
the
neighborhood
and
the
city
known
as
Evanston
gateway
because
of
its
strategic
location
coming
into
the
city
at
the
northwest
corner
of
Chicago
and
in
Howard
Street.
AE
So
we
appreciate
being
here
tonight
to
request
your
approval
for
the
ordinance
of
the
rezoning
of
one
parcel
when
with
just
three
development
allowances-
and
we
are
in
agreement
with
all
of
the
conditions
in
the
ordinance
we
would
like
for
their
discussion
on
condition.
G
I'll
try
to
keep
this
to
just
under
under
five
minutes.
I
think
as
I've
been
asked,
as
you
see
here,
is
the
rendering
of
the
project
as
has
been
described.
AE
This
is
a
site
that
I'm
sure
a
number
of
you
are
all
familiar
with.
We've
made
various
presentations
to
committees,
to
staff,
to
public
meetings
to
dapper,
as
well,
in
between
the
rail
yard,
the
CTA
rail
yards
and
the
metro
tracks
at
the
northwest
corner.
This
is
what
it
looked
like:
you'll,
remember,
the
single-story,
auto
repair
shop,
that
sat
vacant
and
blighted,
and
a
number
of
various
uses
over
the
years
that
that's
now
been
now
been
demolished,
a
little
bit
of
a
rendering
showing
the
scale
the
property.
AE
AE
One
that
is
a
very
positive
energetic
destination,
as
well
as
well
as
good
design
and
we
hope
to
incorporate
the
working
with
Metra
to
incorporate
a
beautification
lease
with
Metra
along
the
the
bank
of
the
the
tracks
that
will
allow
a
nonprofit
entity,
Peterson
garden
project
to
incorporate
demonstration
gardens
as
well.
I
won't
go
through
all
of
these
public
benefits,
but
again,
we've
discussed
these
at
length
with
the
Planning
Commission,
with
dapper
and
with
with
staff
as
well.
AE
The
site
plan
shows
that
the
building
will
be
situated
at
the
south
end
of
the
site,
with
a
very
nice
and
green
open
garden
yard
for
the
retail.
The
retail
use
will
also
include
an
integrated
coffee
shop
and
cafe
consistent
with
the
theme
known
as
City
Grange,
very
sustainable,
very
integrated
with
the
the
theme
of
teaching
people
to
eat
what
they
grow
grow,
what
they
eat,
and
a
number
of
the
items
that
will
be
sold
at
the
garden
center
will
also
be
used
on
the
menu
of
the
of
the
coffee
shop.
AE
AE
AE
So
this
is
looking
at
the
site
from
the
north,
from
where
the
the
parking
lot
is
situated
to
the
north.
Again,
a
nice
open,
garden
yard.
The
green
strip
to
the
right
is
what
we
hope
to
have
as
working
with
Metro
for
the
beautification
lease
on
the
embankment
the
plan
for
for
the
apartments
we
will
have,
you
know
also
looking
to
have
20%
of
the
affordable
housing
requirements.
Our
plan
has
all
of
these
units
on
site
in
the
property.
AE
AE
This
shows
the
retail
space
on
the
ground
floor
and
then
the
apartment
units
that
we
have
situated
again,
not
a
large-scale
development.
None
of
the
development
allowances
that
we
are
seeking
have
anything
to
do
with
height
or
number
of
units
or
density
really
focused
on
the
parking
spaces,
location
of
a
fence
and
then
minor
setbacks
for
the
parking
lot
at
the
north.
A
B
I
I
had
a
question
for
you:
I
love
this
project.
Thank.
AE
B
It's
really
nice.
The
only
question
I
had
is
I
I
think
it's.
It
would
look
a
lot
nicer
if
you
could
push
the
building
back
a
couple
of
feet
and
put
some
green
around
the
intersection.
Okay,.
AE
B
You
look
at
the
building
just
straight
on.
It
looks
like
oh
here's
a
building
right
here
on
the
corner
and
but
you're
doing
some.
You
know
so
much
a
wonderful,
green
education
and
you
know,
work
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
If
there
could
just
be
a
little
bit
of
green
on
that
sasada
in
some
way
or
another
yeah.
AE
Right
now,
but
I
think
what
would
show
in
here
is
we
do
what
it
is.
It
does
bring
a
very
active
pedestrian,
friendly
street
presence
and
the
corner
here
that
you
see
will
be
the
coffee
shop
and
also
combined
with
the
with
the
garden
center,
and
you
know
the
use
of
the
glass
on
the
first
floor.
You
know
will
provide,
hopefully
a
very
open
and
welcoming
feel
from
the
from
the
corner.
O
Comes
as
no
surprise
to
some
but
I
do
see,
there
is
a
bike
lane
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
You
go
in
the
other
direction.
I
see
that
there
is
some
street
parking
added
in
so
I
just
have
some
reservations
on
how
that
traffic
flow
is
gonna.
Work
with
the
additional
street
parking
with
the
street
parking
I
assume
is
partially
to
make
up
for
the
real
elimination
of
the
spots
on
the
lot
that.
AE
AE
It
was
important
to
the
city
to
have
additional
spots
along
the
street,
so
we
did
work
with
the
the
traffic
engineer
with
the
traffic
study,
and
this
is
something
that
has
been
modified
since
our
original
plans
for
the
width
of
those
the
parking
stalls,
not
as
many
stalls
as
we
actually
had
initially
proposed
because
of
the
some
of
the
turns
as
you
get
to
the
to
the
intersection.
Okay.
O
I
took
a
drive
by
it
today,
but
it
was
right
when
the
storms
were
unleashing,
so
I
didn't
get
to
spend
too
much
time,
but
anyway
it's
it's
just
a
reservation.
It's
not
you
know,
so
it's
just
something
on
my
mind.
So
if
I
Kyle
inquire
more,
if
I
have
things
specific
questions
between
now
and
next
time,
cauldron.
K
Raining
on
that
on
that
issue,
the
parking
on
Chicago
Avenue
as
you
go
south
directly
across
Howard
Street,
there
is
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
street
on
Clark
Street.
So
it's
it's
really
going
to
flow
better,
because
there's
a
bunch
of
cars
trying
to
get
in
when
you
get
in
the
middle
of
the
intersection,
and
this
way
they'll
just
go
straight
through
and
there
is
there
are
bike
lanes
on
both
sides
of
Howard
Street,
as
you
well
know
know
so,
I
wait
I
finish.
I
am.
AE
K
K
This
is
going
to
be
an
interesting
interesting
journey
because
it
was
the
first
time
he
ever
heard
an
audience,
clap
after
a
developer
sent
out
nobody,
nobody
complained
the
only
thing
that
anybody
complained
about
and
has
been
consistent
since
the
day
this
was
brought
forward,
is
the
parking
lot
at
the
corner
of
Howard
and
Chicago.
Avenue
and
I
want
to
talk
about
that.
Just
very
briefly,
I've
asked
for
the
it's
a
it's
a
permitted
life
I've
asked
for
the
addresses
of
all
the
people
in
that
permanent
lot
permits
a
lot,
and
that
is
pull.
K
K
As
we
saw
this
lot
to
this
developer,
all
of
that
is
going
to
be
cleaned
up,
so
I
think
that's
a
big,
plus
I
know
it's
required
by
law,
but
it's
still
a
big
plus.
You
can't
deny
it
one
of
the
things
that
I
am
going
to
ask
the
council
to
relieve
the
developer
of
they're,
going
to
be
nine
spaces
on
Chicago
Avenue.
K
I
can't
believe
it's
it's
gonna
be
totally
impossible
because
right
around
the
street
they're
hooked
up
to
that
system,
but
the
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
dead,
I
think
dapper
asked
them-
or
maybe
maybe
just
our
planning
staff
asked
him
or
told
him
that
one
of
his
requirements
is
that
he
pay
$8,500
for
the
installation
of
a
payment
box.
There
are
only
nine
spaces.
K
That
seems
that
seems
out
of
sync
with
the
number
of
spaces.
If
there
were
a
couple
of
blocks
of
spaces
that
they
needed
a
couple
of
pay
boxes
and
it
was
17,000
that
might
be
different,
but
there
are
nine
spaces
and
I
think
that
is
a
tremendous
waste
of
money
putting
in
a
pay
PAC's
and
when
he
could
be
using
that
money
8,500
to
do
a
nice
public
benefit,
someplace
else
and
I'm,
not
sure
where
that
would
be.
But
that
just
does
not
feel
good
to
me
and
so
I
would
ask.
B
K
Q
That
system-
yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
we
can,
we
have
a
number
of
options
that
could
be
implemented
at
that
location.
We
could
potentially
purchase
new
meters.
We
could
repurpose
old
meters.
As
you
know,
we
have
problems
with
their
existing
meters
and
they're,
not
always
that
reliable.
We
could
do
a
pilot
zone
and
just
do
mobile
payments
only
in
that
zone
and
not
have
other
mechanisms.
So
it's
up
to
the
discretion
of
the
council
list
of
what
we
put
in
that
location.
It.
K
Seems
economically
and
why
an
efficient
and
who
likes
pay
boxes,
I
did
I,
don't
know,
but
there
it
just
doesn't
make
sense.
It's
so
much
money
for
nine
meters
anyway,
I
I
do
like
the
idea
of
the
meters
there.
It's
I
want
to
tell
you
all
that
our
highly
attended
well
attended.
Business
Association
meetings
are
just
absolutely
thrilled.
With
this
project
we
have
looked.
All
of
us
have
looked
at
this
corner
for
so
many
years.
Thinking.
How
could
this
city-
and
these
are
my
words?
How
could
the
city
allow
this
best
to
exist?
K
And
you
know
I
I,
remember
going
there
with
you
know
so
many
different
economic
development
directors
and
and
standing
there
just
looking
at
the
places,
then
Along
Came,
this
developer
and
city
Grange
and
I
just
I'm
just
absolutely
thrilled
with
this
project
and
everybody
I
know
is
other
than
a
few
people
about
parking
and
I.
Think
with
the
fact
so
understand
that
that's
not
going
to
be
a
problem.
These
people
are
not
going
to
go
over
and
Clyde
in
calendar
park
and
Clyde
and
Calvin.
You
know
the
people
who
live
over
in
Chicago.