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A
A
So
would
someone
would
a
commissioner
like
to
make
a
motion
to
allow
the
zoom
meeting.
B
I'll
do
it.
I
move
that
we
suspend
the
normal
vote
in
person
voting
and
adopt
the
voting
through
zoom.
A
Second,
oh
second,
okay,
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
idol
aye,
commissioner
cohen.
Yes,
commissioner,
morris.
B
A
Commissioner
bardin
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
and
commissioner
simon
is,
and
I
for
the
applicants
and
members
of
the
public
who
are
on
the
zoom
call.
Our
procedure
will
be
we'll
go
through
each
item,
one
by
one.
The
applicant
will
have
an
opportunity
to
present
their
materials
and
give
you
know
reasons
why
they're
request
should
be
approved.
We'll
then
have
questions
from
the
commissioners.
A
A
We'll
then
have
any
final
commission
discussion
and
a
vote
on
each
matter,
so
the
first
matter
was
2404
ridge
avenue.
I
I
saw
mr
on
the
call,
but
I
think
the
plan
was
to
continue.
The
request
was
to
continue
the
hearing
until
february
9th.
C
I
do
have
a
quick
note
chair.
I
did
talk
to
the
community
development
director
and
the
city
does
recommend
that
commissioners
hear
the
case
at
this
evening's
meeting,
particularly
because
a
second
continuance
would
require
the
case
to
be
re-noticed.
C
I
I
also
just
personally
think
that
you
do
have
enough
information
provided
to
make
a
decision,
but
it's
it's
certainly
up
to
you.
A
Okay,
I
mean
we,
this
actual
application.
I
think
we've
continued
once.
Obviously,
the
application
that
it
arose
out
of
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
heard
before
are
the.
I
know
there
were
a
number
of
members
of
the
public
who
had
indicated
to
you
that
they
might
they
had
comments.
Are
they
in
attendance
or
were
they
given?
A
A
C
I
think
there's
there
was
some
confusion
amongst
property
owners.
I
was
copied
on
quite
a
few
emails
between
them
and
the
development
director.
I
did
receive
two
written
comments
that
if,
if
no
one
else
is
here
to
to
give
public
com-
and
I
would
read
into
the
record.
A
A
I
am
on
the
call
rick
schweitzer
yeah?
Would
you
be
prepared
to
present
the
matter?
A
E
A
A
Amongst
them,
there
have
been
there's
been
a
substantial
change
in
the
makeup
of
the
commissioners
recently
and
there's
an
election
around
the
corner
and
the
with
due
respect,
preferring
to
wait
until
there's
some
new
perspectives
to
consider
this
might
be
important
to
us.
It
might
bring
a
brighter,
fairer,
more
dispassionate,
look
to
it
we're
awaiting
freedom
of
information,
evidence
that
might
help
us.
A
We
would
be
very
interested
in
hosting
a
very
brief
walkabout,
as
I
mentioned
to
mr
sterling,
for
the
commissioners
outside
at
a
convenient
time,
to
fully
understand
what
it
is
exactly
what
we're
talking
about,
because,
given
the
actually
the
bad
information
incorrect
information
that
has
existed
over
la
recent
meetings,
a
brief
walkabout
would
tell
put
the
tell
the
lie
and
put
the
truth
on
exactly
what
it
is,
and
that
would
be
just
up
to
you
to
to
see
it
and
then
lastly,
we'd
rather
wait
until
the
new
year
to
for
a
brighter,
less
stressful.
A
Look
at
at
this
during,
what's
a
very
during.
What's
a
very
dour
and
difficult
time.
F
A
E
A
E
I
mean
I
I
had
I
had
walked
by
this
site
some
time
ago,
so
I'm
familiar
with
the
property
from
from
one
of
the
previous
applications.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
feels
the
need
to
visit
the
site
again
and
become
more
first-hand
familiar
and
if
continuing
it
for
another
month
gives
other
commissioners
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
A
Kind
of
just
one
I
mean
you
know
again,
we
have.
If
we
were
going
to
talk
about,
we
have
to
go
back,
I
mean
we'll
have
to
go
when
we
talk
about
it,
we'll
have
to
go
through
the
ordinance
and
discuss
what
the
standards
are
for
that,
but
they're
much
more
limited
than
a
review
of
the
certificate
of
the
application
itself.
A
To
that
point,
if
I
may
say
that
again,
a
brief
walk
about
would
would
address
the
standards
and
the
merits
of
the
case
and
some
of
the
disinformation
that
I
fear
has
transpired
even
in
the
written
record,
and
it
would
be
a
little
different
than
walking
around
the
property,
as
commissioner
idol
had
has
has
done,
and
perhaps
others
have
done,
and
it
really
wouldn't
take
long
to
understand
it
very
quickly
and
then
be
able
to
make
a
more
dispassionate
decision.
That
would
be
that
we
would
like
to
see
all.
E
A
With
the
whether
we
should
continue
it
or
not,
do
other
commissioners
haven't
opinion.
H
I
just
wanted
him
to
explain
how
viewing
the
property
would
clarify
the
issues
surrounding
the
application
for
hardship.
A
Because
it
would
become
very
transparent
and
evident
the
amount
of
energy
passion
monies
that
we
have
put
into
preserving
and
restoring
for
an
adaptive
reuse,
this
very
historical
property
that
was
derelict
over
20
years
and
the
view
would
help
you
understand
what
it
would
mean
to
undo
that
and
again
it
wouldn't
take
long
and
then
you'd
be
able
to
make
your
own
mind
with
full
clarity.
A
J
I
J
A
Susie
second
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
idle.
E
A
Commissioner
cohen
aye
commissioner
morris
aye,
commissioner
bowden
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
nominee.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
you
know,
I
think
we
will
want
to
hear
the
matter
at
that
meeting
and
we'll
at
that
time
go
into
what
the
ordinance
standards
are
for
this
particular
application
all
right.
The
next
matter
is
1735
asbury,
which
was
continued,
and
the
applicant
is
asking
for
a
second
continuance
I'll.
A
A
Commission
morris
welcome
about
commissioner
idol
hi
commissioner
cohen
aye
commissioner
morris
aye,
mr
bowden.
B
A
Commissioner,
reinhold
aye
I'm
an
eye
all
right.
The
next
matter
was
1509.
Forest
avenue
is
the
applicant.
G
C
I'm
not
positive
who
was
presenting
this
one.
I
don't
believe
that
it
was
the
name
in
the
in
the
agenda
sergio,
but
they
were.
Everyone
was
contacted.
A
Yeah,
why
don't
we
maybe
come
back
to
my
recollection?
Was
it
was
the
contractor
came
and
it
was
really
was
just
coming
back
for
some
more
detail
all
right.
So
let's
maybe
just
come
back
to
that
one
rather
continue
it.
The
next
matter
was
1534
wilder
street,
which
was
a.
A
Matter
we
heard
and
asked
the
the
applicant
to
come
back
with
a
different
plan,
which
I
think
has
happened,
is
the
applicant
here.
K
Yes,
good
evening,
prakash
here,
saint
mary's,
church
building
committee
member
for
1534
wilder
street,
so
we
were
able
we
were
looking
at
anderson
window,
they
have
fibrex
windows
and
I
had
a
code.
It
should
possibly
pull
it
on.
A
Yes,
I'm
sorry
could
we,
whoever
is
screen,
share,
go
to
the
this
application.
C
I
think
it's
up
a
little
bit:
melis
melissa,
parker
right
there
number
four
1534
wilder.
K
A
D
F
K
K
Maybe
you
have
some
pictures
there
yeah
so
well,
yeah,
that's
yeah,
a
little
more
up
a
little
bit
more
one
more
there.
You
go
yeah,
just
a
tiny
bit
more
up.
K
Oh
okay,
so
they're
right
there
right,
that's
good
good
good!
So
the
windows
same
windows.
These
are
fiber
racks,
they're,
not
vinyl.
So
this
is
from
anderson
windows
and
they
came
up
to
be
17.
K
So,
but
you
know
it's
still
too
much
for
us
and-
and
while
I
was
doing
that,
I
asked
for
the
warranty
of
these
windows.
The
windows
are.
Anderson.
Windows
are
warranted
for
20
years,
so
also
the
vinyl
windows
that
we
kind
of
put
they
have
the
same
warranty,
they're,
20
years,
warranty
and
and
they're
basically
high
quality,
vinyl
windows.
K
They
use
three
and
a
quarter
thickness
frame
virgin
lead-free
vinyl,
a
fusion
welded
four
point
with
the
four
point:
welder
same
pressure,
so
they
build
to
last
so
and
also
they
said
they
use
a
multi-chamber
profile
to
make
it
extra
strength
insulated.
You
know
so
these
windows
that
we're
trying
to
get
has
20
year
warranty
the
vinyl
windows.
That's
on
the
bottom
go
down
a
little
bit,
I'm
sorry
it
has
the
warranty
paper
on
them.
I
didn't
have
it
last
time.
You
know.
K
Yeah
there
you
go
a
little
more
yeah.
This
is
the
window
company
right
there
right
there
right
there,
the
that's
their
certificate
saying
it
is
warranted
for
20
years,
so
the
company
name
is
advanced
window
corporation
they've
been
in
chicago
for
20
years,
they're
called
sailors,
and
so
the
warranty
was
equal
to
anderson
windows.
I
know
and
we
are
getting
the
6300
series.
I
think
I
have
some
brochures
and
look.
Some
pictures
go
down
a
little
bit.
K
More
yeah,
these
are
the
drawings.
I
think,
I'm
sorry,
it's
actually
about
the
right
about
the
certificate.
You
know
I
had
the.
K
Yeah
those
those
windows
right
there,
you
know
they're
yeah,
super
quality,
vinyl
windows,
you
know,
go
up
a
little
bit.
More,
has
a
little
bit
more
pictures
of
the.
K
Yeah,
so
we
will
really
like
it
if
the,
if
you
guys
give
us
the
permission
to
put
this
vinyl
windows,
because
this
is
like
the
top
of
the
line
quality
20
year,
warranty
of
windows
that
we
we
can
afford
and
we're
able
to
we'll
be
able,
because
the
windows
right
now,
it's
all
stuck
and
some
of
them
are
broke.
The
glass
is
broke
yeah,
especially
with
the
hail
damage
in
april.
That
caused
most
of
the
damage
you
know.
So
we
really
need
this
done
before
the
vendor
gets
bad.
You
know.
K
Oh
sorry,
okay,
now
we
would
like
to
put
because
anderson
windows
and
this
we
want
to
put
the
advanced
window
corporation
vinyl
windows,
because
they
were
able
to
give
us
a
a
better
deal
and
it's
affordable
and
plus
it
has
the
20-year
warranty
on
it.
It's
you
know,
because
they're
built
good
and
you
know
superior
quality
they're
able
to
give
us
a
20
year.
Warranty
on
you
know
same
as
the
anderson
window,
so
we
really.
K
We
would
really
appreciate
if
you
could
put
advanced
window
corporation,
a
vinyl
window
on
the
property.
A
To
do
repair
of
some
of
the
existing
windows
until
you've
raised
enough
money
to
put
in
the
you
know,
it
will
approve
it.
The
five
bucks
windows.
K
K
H
A
K
Yeah,
it
has
a
drawing
like
it'll,
say
it's
basically
sitting
in
the
same
lot.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
good
good
depiction
right.
There
stuart
on
the
left,
the
the
church
is
landmarked
and
this
is
a
I
can't
remember.
We
figured
out
what
the
original
use
was.
It's
about.
A
Yeah,
it's
it's
like
a
1913
building.
I
mean
it's
not
you
know
it's
a
landmark
property.
I
mean
this
isn't
like
excluded
from
it,
but
in
the
landmark
write-up
it
might
have
mentioned
this
building,
but
it
wasn't
the
primary
reason.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
confusing
effect.
H
A
A
K
Yeah
on
the
third
floor,
I'm
sorry
on
the
second
for
like
four
or
five
windows
or
vinyl,
but
rest
of
them
are
all
of
them
all.
The
rest
of
them
are
original
windows
and
we
were
trying
to
put
the
with
wood
windows,
but
they
were
like
almost
you
know.
K
It
was
all
everything
was
expensive,
you
know,
but
since
it
wasn't
landmark-
and
I
mean
like
you
said,
like
you
know
it's
in
sitting
in
the
same
as
a
lot
as
a
landmark
and
plus
the
priest,
the
priests
live
there
right
now.
You
know
he
you
know,
because
it's
too
cold
and
we
want
to
know
just
to
make
it
comfortable.
You
want
to
change
all
the
windows,
that's
that's
what
we
wanted
to
do
right
away.
You
know
you
get
really
like
get
cold
in
there
because
of
all
the
windows.
H
K
H
You
a
a
question
in
the
materials
you've
provided
for
the
vinyl
windows.
There's
a
reference
to
something
called
a
full
divided
light
with
spacer.
K
K
They
said
like
the
only
way
they
could
put.
It
is
it'll,
be
in
between
the
glasses
in
between.
K
A
All
right
I
mean,
we've
generally
been
reluctant
even
to
approve
the
renewal
by
win
by
anderson
windows.
I
mean
you
did
get.
You
know,
kind
of
an
amazing
deal
there,
giving
you
one
of
those
but
appreciate
you,
don't
have
the
funds.
How
do
commissioners
feel
about
about
this.
K
There
are
a
total
of
31
and
we
need
to
change
27
of
them,
27
they're,
like
damaged,
I
mean
basically.
H
K
Yes,
we
didn't
do
that.
We
we
got
this
building
25
years
ago
from
merchandise,
to
chicago
at
that
time,
that
while
the
window
was
there,
we
never
changed
anything.
This
is
the
first
time
we.
This
is
the
first
time
we're
trying
to
change
it
because
of
the
hail
damage,
mainly
because
it
broke
the
glass.
You
know
it.
It
hit
us
hard,
that's
otherwise.
We
wouldn't
come
here,
because
you
know
you
know
the
hail
caused
most
of
the
damages
on
the
window.
K
You
know
that
that's
what
kind
of
made
an
emergency,
because
this
happened
in
april
and
that's
that's
the
only
reason-
we're
right
here
trying
to
change
it
because
of
the
hail
damage.
Basically,
you
know
I'm.
A
K
K
We're
kind
of
put
in
a
position
to
change
it
because
of
the
hail,
the
image
and
plus
because
of
the
covet
situation
before
you
know,
we
used
a
lot
of
people
coming
in
and
to
the
church.
You
know
now,
or
you
know,
usually
like
200
250
people.
Now
we
get
like
15
people,
you
know,
so
the
revenue
has
came
down
a
lot.
You
know
so
we're
kind
of
in
a
situation
where
the
windows
are
damaged
and
we
we
have
to
change
them
because
they're
damaged,
I'm
sorry,
sorry
go
ahead.
H
H
Vinyl
windows
are
a
problem
at
least
visually
and
which
is
what
we're
being
asked
to
weigh
in
on
because
of
the
material.
The
thickness
of
the
sash
is
greater
than
an
old
wood
window.
H
If
you
have
divided
light
windows,
the
question
of
snap
in
or
between
the
glass
muttons
comes
up
because
they
never
looked
right
and
the
problem
for
me
is
weighing
all
of
that
against
the
fact
that
you
have
broken
windows
and
should
be
allowed
to
replace
or
repair
them.
K
K
Yeah,
the
yes
to
to
just
to
repair
them
for
now,
but
only
thing
most
of
them
are
like
you
know,
they're
stuck
and
you
you
know
some
of
them
the
the
too
much
air
coming
in
through
there,
and
you
know,
priest
that
lived
there.
You
know
he's
he's
not
comfortable.
You
know
he's
like
I,
you
know
he's
by
himself
over
there
and
he
he
he
really
appreciated.
If
you
guys
give
us
a
chance
to
do
this
thing.
A
B
My
one
concern
is
still
just
just
to
understand,
make
sure
I'm
on
the
same
page
as
the
other
commissioners.
So
this
is
a
there's
two
buildings
on
the
site
and
there's
a
landmark
and
then
that's
the
church
and
then
there's
the
rectory,
which
is
this
building
and
the
church
is
not
its
own
district.
It's
its
own
landmark.
A
B
We're
being
asked
to
consider
actions
that
are
being
proposed
for
this
other
building,
that's
neither
landmark
nor
in
a
district
defined
as
a
district,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
just
was
there
more.
I
I
definitely
understand
how
close
it
is.
It's
architectural
merits
and
whatnot
and
its
proximity
to
the
landmark,
but
I
guess
by
definition,
I'm
having
a
challenge
making
sure
that
we
have
jurisdiction
over
this
building.
So
was:
can
you
guys
just
clarify.
C
A
I
I
think
it
might
have
referenced
it.
It's
that
the
property
as
a
whole
is
a
landmark
property.
So
this
this
is
a
landmark
and
we
do
have
jurisdiction.
I
think,
as
kate
said
this
is
this
is
very
similar.
To
I
mean
it
is
equivalent
to
a
landmark
property
with
a
say,
a
large
coach
house
or
something.
A
B
J
Okay,
I
just
from
my
point
of
view,
I
think
it's
difficult
to
allow
the
removal
of
original
wood
windows
primarily
original
wood
windows,
even
though
it
is
considered
an
accessory
structure
to
on
a
landmark
property,
it's
still
difficult
to
allow
the
wood
windows
to
be
removed,
and
then
vinyl
windows
with
not
even
simulated
divided
lights
be
installed.
It's
it's
just
it's
a
very
it's
switching
to
the
other
extreme.
Significantly,
I
think
at
the
last
meeting
we
requested
there
were
a
couple
things
we
asked
about
was
whether
phasing
would
be
possible
mark.
J
J
We
also
ask
for
other
options
for
materials,
because
I
think
if
we
were
getting
closer
to
the
wood
windows,
I
think
that
would
make
it
easier,
but
in
my
opinion,
switching
from
original
wood
windows
to
these
vinyl
windows
is
is
almost
too
far.
I
I
completely
understand
the
economic
hardship
in
the
sense
that
it's
it's
been
a
hard
year
and
and
these
windows
are
damaged,
it
just
seems
like
it's
too
far
of
a
stretch
in
in
my.
J
E
A
A
A
No
okay
is
there.
Anyone
who
disagrees.
A
No
okay,
kate,
I
don't
know
if
we
need
a.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
support
for
emotion
and
favor,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
bring
a
emotion
in
favor
and
vote
it
down
or
we
bring
out
a
motion
to
disapprove
and
urge
them
to
consider
other
alternatives.
I'm
not
sure
what
procedurally
we
should
do.
C
A
A
Okay,
that
sounds
great
all
right,
so
your
suggestion
suggests
we
make
a
motion
in
favor
and
then
just
vote
on
that.
C
E
A
Okay,
we're
all
called
vote.
Commissioner
idol.
H
I'm
going
to
abstain,
I
feel
like
it's
sort
of
you
know,
but
the
the
problem
of
cutting
the
child
in
half.
B
I
A
A
G
A
Okay.
The
next
manner
was
929
sherman
avenue.
G
Thank
you
chair
simon
and
commissioners
and
kate.
My
name
is
dick
co.
I'm
representing
the
homeowners,
doug
and
fadio
nichols
of
929
sherman,
and
our
application
is
to
construct
a
new
accessory
dwelling
unit
to
be
attached
to
the
existing
garage.
I
will
now
turn
this
over
to
ralph
hoffman
on
our
architecture
team,
to
make
the
presentation.
N
Good
evening,
everyone
thanks
for
for
this
opportunity,
so
the
plan
here
is
to
build
a
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
adjacent
to
connected
to
the
existing
garage
in
the
rear
yard
of
of
the
property
at.
O
N
29
sherman,
the
the
new
structure,
will
use
all
the
same
materials
and
have
the
same
sort
of
window
configurations
and
proportions
as
the
front
house
and
the
garage
the
garage
is
actually
new.
It
was
built,
it
came
before
the
board
or
the
commission.
I
should
say
back
in
2017
and
had
been
approved,
so
the
garage
is
a
relatively
new
structure
and
because
we're
attaching
to
it
we're
going
to
use
all
the
same
cladding
material
sizes
of
the
material,
the
trim
boards,
the
fascia
details,
the
gutters.
N
All
of
that
will
match
the
roofing
finish
will
match
the
existing
garage,
which
in
turn,
is
a
reflection
of
the
primary
structure
at
the
front
of
the
house.
N
The
you
know
the
color
will
also
match
as
well.
So
if
you
go
to
the,
I
guess,
the
the
last
page
in
our
presentation
has
is
a
run
that
photograph
wrote
down
a
little
bit.
So
the
primary
house
is
this
sort
of
light
gray
with
white
trim
and
windows
and
then
we've
sort
of
tucked
in
behind
in
the
rear
yard.
You
can
see
sort
of
peeking
through
the
bushes
there,
where
this
new
structure
would
be
in
the
in
the
rear.
D
A
Could
you
show
the
I
think
you
you
had
renderings
of
some
type
of
new
structure.
N
Yes,
these
are
sketches.
They
don't
necessarily
show
the
materials
in
detail,
but
you
can
see
the
proportions
of
the
the
new
adu
as
it's
connected.
It's
a
two-story
structure
connected
to
the
garage
and
then
to
the
left,
are
the
photographs
of
the
existing,
and
so
the
existing
primary
building
has
this
sort
of
sort
of
random
windows
and
window
sizes
and
and
placements,
and
we
sort
of
picked
up
on
that
a
little
bit
and
intentionally
included
that
on
our
and
our
structure
as
well.
N
The
smaller
you
know,
windows
gained
together
and
the
larger
windows
you'll
note
on
maybe
on
the
elevation.
Drawing
is
actually
better,
so
scroll
down
one
sheet,
there's
a
detail
where
there
there's
a
pair
of
windows
that
aren't
fully
sort
of
mulled
together,
but
there's
a
little
bit
of
siding
in
between
them.
That's
that
little
double
window
detail
photo
is
off
the
front
house
and
we're
picking
up
and
repeating
that
sort
of
relationship
in
detail
on
the
double
window
or
the
windows
that
were
sort
of
ganging,
together
as
it
were
on.
E
N
Edu
as
well
just
sort
of
bringing
that
detail
to
the
back
and
then
on
this
sheet,
you
can
also
see
these
are
shots
off
the
the
garage
with
the
cement
board,
siding
and
the
trim
and
the
size
and
proportions
of
all
of
those
elements,
and
we're
just
repeating
all
of
that
on
the
ad
adu
as
well.
A
And
this
this
is
permitted
because
of
the
change
of
the
zoning
ordinance
to
allow
adus
to
do
that.
N
A
I
I
think
there
was
a
member
of
the
public
that
has
signed
up
to
speak.
Perhaps
is
there
anyone
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak
to
this.
L
Yes,
where
the
neighbors
on
the
north
side,
and
if
you
scroll,
I
think
up
a
little
bit
or
down-
I
don't
know
what
you
cannot
see
here
and
the
photos
is
the
here.
You
can
see
it
on
the
left
in
the
left
corner
below
the
the
the
reddish
building,
that
is
our
building
to
the
north
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
new
building.
The
new
added
addition
to
the
garage
that
was
already
added
is
squeezed
in
between
the
929
lot
and
our
lot,
which
is
931..
L
We
have
a
special
situation
because
on
our
lot,
our
home
is
a
home.
It
is
not
a
coach
house
and
there's
the
building.
Our
home
is
not
a
landmark
building,
but
it
is
still
a
century-old
building,
and
our
concern
is
that
the
addition
to
the
addition
will
actually
change
the
whole
perception
and
impression
of
the
the
lot
considerably.
L
Apart
from
that,
I,
I
should
not
hide
the
fact
that,
of
course,
squeezing
in
an
additional
adu
between
the
garage
and
our
building
that
takes
up
almost
the
whole
north.
The
whole
side
length
of
our
building,
because
it
will
be
higher
than
the
garage
is
certainly
not
in
our
interest,
but
we
also
think
that
this
is
really
changing
the
whole
impression
of
the
building.
I
would
like
to
hand
it
over
to
my
husband,
martin
reinke,
to
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
the
history
of
our
building.
I'm.
A
Sorry,
could
you
first
state
your
name
for
the
record.
P
Yeah
then
I
think
I'm
taking
over.
My
name
is
martin
reinke,
also
living
in
1931
sherman
avenue.
P
The
one
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
we:
we
only
heard
from
that
plans
last
friday,
so
we
are
a
bit
overwhelmed
and
we
didn't
see
much
of
the
plans
yet.
So
we
can
only
guess
part
of
that.
What's
what
is
going
to
happen,
but
as
far
as
we
know
that
the
new
building
will
probably
be
about
three
or
four
feet
from
our
building
and
almost
covering
the
south
side,
then
a
bit
more
about
our
building.
This
was
built
1910.
P
P
L
What
we
would
like
you
to
do,
perhaps,
is
because
we
didn't
have
time
to
either
look
at
the
plans,
or
so
we
were
only
informed
by
it
by
the
postcard
that
we
got
from
the
city
of
evanston
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
windows,
for
example,
though
the
way
they
are
placed,
they
are
just
looking
into
our
bedrooms
on
the
first
floor
and
so
on.
We
would
like
you
to
actually
take
a
look
yourselves,
whether
that
is
a
good
fit
into
the
into
the
lot.
L
N
Thanks,
may
I
make
this
is
ralph
hoffman
again
we
did
do
a
study
of
the
elevation
of
your
building
and
took
into
consideration.
We
actually
measured
that
facade
and
took
into
consideration
the
location
of
the
windows
on
your
building
and
strategically
placed.
We
don't
have
that
many
windows
on
the
north
elevation
intentionally
and
we
strategically
located
them
to
take
into
account
sight
lines
and
to
avoid.
N
Yeah,
we
don't
have
that
yeah,
we
don't
have
the
other
building
there
in
effect,
would
be
about
six
feet,
we're
a
little
more
than
three
feet
off
of
the
property
line,
and
then
you
know
there's
a
three
foot
setback
on
their
side
as
well.
I.
L
Don't
I
don't
think
if
I
may
just
weigh
in
because
our
property
line-
and
that
was
probably
a
century
ago
1910
or
when
I
think.
E
L
Was
the
building
built
our
one?
I
think
our
building
is
on
the
property
line,
so
there's
no
more
three
feet
away
from
the
property
line
on
our
side
at
all
and
that
in
a
way
creates
the
problem
to
go
three
four
feet
into
the
property
line,
because
it's
really
then
only
the
three
feet
and
and
the
one
bedroom
on
our
side
only
has
the
one
window.
So
that
would
be
pitch
dark
in
a
way.
Yeah.
F
N
N
A
N
The
neighbor
yes
yeah,
we
did
not,
we
did
not
show
their
their
structure
on
this
site
plan.
G
G
H
See
the
yup:
it
is
right
on
the
line
a
little
over
there.
H
So
can
I
say
something
about
this
because
I
don't
know
where,
as
people
who
are
weighing
in
about
about
this
addition
with
respect
to
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
it
seems
to
me
that
it
meets
all
of
the
standards.
H
However,
this
structure
would
be
only
three
feet
away
from
the
existing
building
there
and,
while
the
garage
that
addition
conforms
to
the
zoning
ordinance,
I
wonder
mr
hoffman,
whether
it
meets
all
of
the
provisions
of
the
building
code,
with
respect
to
any
minimum
distance
requirements
between
adjacent
buildings
based
on
their
size,
their
height
and
their
fire.
Rated
construction
types.
N
I
understand
yeah
yeah,
so
the
building
to
the
north
is
is
an
all
brick
masonry
building
and
using
cement
board.
You
know
we
would.
We
would
maintain
the
proper
fire
rating
on
our
exterior
that
north
wall
on
per
the
code
we
haven't
completed,
we
haven't
gone
through
the
rest
of
the
permit
process,
but
yes,.
C
N
N
Would
the
ridge
of
our
structure
shouldn't
exceed?
If
you
scroll
down,
I
think
on
the
the
elevations.
Do
I
have
a
did.
I
show
yeah
yeah
you'll.
D
N
Zoom
in
I
can't
read
it
on
my
screen,
but
our
the
ridge
is
23.
N
J
Can
I
just
ask
the
question
of
mr
hoffman:
I
I
assume
that
you
guys
looked
into
the
possibility
of
obviously
putting
the
second
story
on
the
garage
I
I
would
anticipate
that
just
because
of
of
structural
reasons,
or
some
reason
you
you
pulled
away
from
that
idea,
I
mean
that's.
Obviously,
the
the
more
typical
type
of
adu
scenario
that
we
have
seen
presented.
N
Absolutely
that's
that's
correct,
so
that
was
the
first
thing
that
we
considered.
However,
it's
a
the
garage,
that's
virtually
new
since
2017
is
a
typical
garage
in
that
it's
sitting
on
a
slab
on
grade
with
a
thickened.
You
know
sort
of
perimeter
and
it
doesn't
have
a
proper
foundation
under
it.
That
would
be
required
for
doing
a
two-story
structure,
and
you
know
we
even
entertained
a
couple
of
ideas
of.
Q
J
And
have
has
your
client
had
open
conversations
with
the
neighbor,
since
it
is
going
to
be
a
direct
impact
on
their
on
their
lighting
and
their
privacy?
Has
that
come
have
have
there?
Has
there
been
any
communication
between
the
two.
N
I
I
don't
know
I
can't
speak
to
that.
However,
my
client
has
communicated
to
us
that
we,
you
know
they
want
to
be
as
sensitive
as
possible
to
their
neighbor,
given
the
proximity
so
again,
which
is
why
which
prompted
us
to
go
and
and
survey
and
fight
that
building
and
and
and
take
into
consideration
the
placement
of
our
windows.
L
I
would
like
I
would
like
to
to
say
a
word
about
that.
We
we
consider
us
very
good,
neighbors
and
friends,
and
so
on
and
over
the
summer
our
neighbors
informed
us
that
they
are
thinking
about
putting
a
second
floor
or
whatever
on
the
garage
and
we're
fine
with
that
of
course,
and
that
we
have
anything
to
do
with
it.
L
But
we
heard
for
the
first
time
on
friday,
when
we
got
the
postcard
and
and
we
then
we
contacted
our
neighbors
ahead
of
this
meeting,
whether
we
could
have
a
talk
with
them
and
we
told
them
that
we
would
raise
the
concerns
today
and
we,
we
were
really
kind
of
very
dismayed
and
very
shocked
that
that
these
plans
are
there.
We
have
never
seen
these
plans.
All
we
have
is
the
postcard
from
the
city
of
evanston.
F
H
Thank
you
all
right.
Can
I
ask
a
question
of
mr
hoffman:
did
you
actually
do
the
equivalent
of
a
cost
benefit
analysis
of
ripping
down
the
existing
garage
and
building
a
totally
new
structure?
It
seems
to
me
that
the
footprint
of
the
garage
with
no
foundation
under
it
versus
the
footprint
of
the
new
addition,
which
would
I
assume,
have
a
full
foundation
either
with
the
basement
or
crawl
space,
has
got
to
be
equivalent.
H
So
what
you
would
be
you
know
you
could
certainly
reuse
the
garage
door.
You
could
reuse
the
windows.
H
N
We
did
not
do
a
formal
study
to
to
compare
those
I
mean,
I'm
part
of
in
all
honesty
what
is
also
driving
us
or
one
of
our
one
of
the
motivators
here
is
you
know,
being
as
green
and
energy
efficient
as
possible
and
the
idea
of
tearing
down
a
brand
new
structure,
even
those
elements
of
it
could
be
salvaged
and
reused.
Q
Excuse
me,
this
is
dave
forte,
I'm
ralph's
colleague
and
another
architect
on
this
project.
I
wanted
to
address
mr
cohen's
comments
just
to
say
that
part
of
this,
while
we
didn't
do
a
full
bore
cost
analysis
we
do
have
edc,
has
a
contractor
on
staff,
and
we
had
many
discussions
with
the
contractor
in
regard
to
the
anticipated
cost
of
doing
this
or
that
as
ralph
described,
we
were
at
times
talking
about
putting
columns
through
the
garage.
Q
But
you
know,
part
of
this
is
also
driven
as
typical
with
any
any
design
project.
Any
architecture
project,
the
clients,
you
know,
want
certain
things
and
we
try
to
follow
those,
and
one
aspect
of
it
is
the
garage
is
actually
a
fairly
nice
garage.
It's
it's
pretty
enhanced.
The
client
has
a
workshop
in
there,
so
there
are
aspects
of
that
that
we're
trying
to
abide
to
and
keeping
keeping
those
aspects
separated
from
the
adu.
A
E
Well,
I
guess
my
other
question
to
the
designers.
I
mean
obviously
you're
zoning
compliant
look
looking
just
at
your
lot
alone,
but
obviously
the
zoning
sort
of
presumes
that
your
neighbor
is
also
compliant
in
this
instance.
They're,
not
their
their
setback,
is
zero.
I
wonder,
if
is
there
a
way
to
make
your
structure
work
by
shifting
over
kind
of
the
full
six
feet
from
the
prop
north
property
line,
so
that
there
would
be
the
kind
of
the
six
foot
separation
zoning
would
imagine
is
typical.
E
A
You
studied,
or
you
know
rather
than
I
mean
I
think,
that's
a
good
thought,
but
why
don't
we?
I
think
we
should
continue
this.
I
think
we
should
give
the
applicant
the
opportunity
to
at
least
consider
whether
alternatives
that
wouldn't
be
too
disruptive
their
plan,
that
might
be
less
disruptive
to
neighbors,
and
then
I
know
personally,
I
would
like
to
go
walk
by
the
property
and
get
a
better
sense
of
it.
Since
I
didn't
appreciate
the
issue
before,
would
other
commissioners
support
that
kind
of
continuance
to
see
what
can
be
done.
Q
Can
I
state
this
on
behalf
of
the
client
again
the
issue
you
know,
as
ralph
clearly
described,
we
really
paid
attention
to
the
neighbor.
Both
the
owners
made
it
clear
to
us
that
they
were
sensitive
to
that
again.
We
don't
have
personal
relationships
with
the
neighbor.
They
do.
Q
Q
We
did
our
best,
considering
the
parameters
and
from
a
historic
preservation
standpoint.
It
sounds
like
we
do
have
approval
from
a
zoning
building
standpoint.
As
far
as
we
know
we
built
according
to
those
parameters
that
evanston
works
under
it.
Just
so
happens,
as
you
were
saying,
the
neighbors
building
is
partially
on
our
clients,
property.
Q
The
neighbors
building
has
the
advantage
of
extra
square
footage
because
it's
legal
non-conforming,
it's
just
the
nature
of
the
beast
here,
but
when
we're
talking
about
building
and
zoning
code,
I
think
we
comply
so.
Q
A
Okay,
I
I
think
you
know
in
the
end,
we'll
apply
standards
in
the
code.
The
I
mean
one.
You
know
some
of
the
standards
in
the
code
deal
not
just
with
the
building
itself,
but
with
the
relationship
to
adjacent
structures.
A
A
Now
that
we've
heard
what
the
parties
are
both
trying
to
do,
and
then,
if
you
you
know,
it
may
be
that
you
know
thinking
about
it
that
you
guys
think
of
some
solution
you
hadn't
thought
about,
but
but
I
think
it
would
be
better
to
continue
to
give
everybody
a
chance
at
least
to
try
to
find
the
best
solution.
You
know
we
heard
what
you're
saying,
though
we
did
hear
it.
Q
A
We're
here
we
hear
you
if
other
commissioners
are
supportive
I'd,
you
know
like
to
continue,
and
I
think
we'd
also
maybe
try
to
under
the
the
adu,
the
the
new
ordinance
has
probably
unintended
consequences.
Just
like
this.
That
nobody's
really
thought
about
right.
I
think
we'd
just
like
to
study
that
a
little
bit
too
sure.
Q
A
I
mean
the
concerns
aren't
about
your
building
per
se,
but
again
part
of
historic
preservation
is
relationships
to
to
other
buildings.
So
it's
at
least
something
we
have
to
think
about.
R
Nichols
I'm
sorry
this
is
the
homeowner,
the
the
applicant.
I
guess
that
dick
and
ralph
are
representing.
I
just
had
a
couple
comments
to
add.
I
think,
and
one
question
that
may
or
may
not
be
appropriate,
but
I
wouldn't
ask
but
anyways
one
is
just
to
call
out
that,
like
like
ralph
said
and
david
said,
we
obviously
were
very
very
concerned,
and
I
say
very
aware
of
potential
issues
we,
as
hillar
mentioned.
We
did
bring
it
up
to
them
over
the
summer.
R
Things
got
kind
of
obviously
for
many
of
us
carried
away
over
the
past
year,
and
it
was
unfortunate
that
we
didn't
have
a
chance
to
talk
to
them
before
they
got
the
postcard,
but
we
did
talk
to
them
after
the
postcard
on
the
zoom,
a
very
good.
I
thought
you
know
just
frank
and
honest
discussion
around
how
it's
obviously
not
happy
do
it
did
not
make
them
happy
or
pleased
that
it
you
know,
has
the
potential
to
close
off
some
of
their
sunlight
and
obstruct
their
windows.
R
But
one
thing
I
did
want
to
call
out
is
that
we
did
look
at
it.
We
might
not
have
done
a
full
cost
evaluation,
but
in
talking
with
dick
and
talking
with
our
contractor,
we
did
do
some
rough
analysis
around
what
it
would
take
to
completely
dismantle
the
garage
put
on
on
the
other
side
and
just
from
a
cost
point
of
view.
We
were
looking
at
lisa's
initial
evaluations,
in
my
mind,
were,
but
you
know,
looking
at
the
50
000
range
or
so
of
just
completely
sunk
costs.
So
that's
one.
R
I
think
two
is
to
pull
us
back
as
much
as
possible.
I
don't
remember
it
was
four
feet
or
not,
but
it
was
like
three
and
a
half
or
four
feet.
We
ended
up
we're
going
to
destroy
the
north
wall
of
the
garage
and
eat
three
feet
into
the
garage
to
help
move
it
over
a
little
bit
more
than
that,
you
know
as
much
as
we
could
so
we
are
kind
of.
I
don't
know
if
it's
called
a
compromise
right,
but
we
are
eating
into
the
garage
to
try
to
give
as
much
space
as
possible.
R
R
Basically
and
then
the
one
other,
I
guess
question
I
wanted
to
raise
is
I
think
one
thing
that
we
had
toyed
around
with
with
ralph
and
the
initial
designs
is
just
if
there's
anything
we
could
do
with
the
roofing
to
help
kind
of
bring
down
that
height
while
still
keeping
you
know
this,
this
structure
is
ultimately
for
my
parents.
They
are
originally
had
a
down
payment
in.
What's
remember
the
name
of
the
place
downtown
evanston,
like
a
retirement
community,
the.
Q
Mather
house
doug
the
mather
house,
there
you
go.
R
Sorry
had
a
down
payment,
there
coveted
obviously
everything
changed.
They
said
no
way,
I'm
going
anywhere
near
like
retirement
communities,
so
this
was
kind
of
in
the
works
for
a
while,
but
this
is
for
them.
So
you
know
just
some
of
the
requirements
were
two
bedrooms.
So
therefore
it
turned
into
a
two
two-story
structure
which
wasn't
again
part
of
the
original
discussion.
R
I
think
when
we
had
that
initial
conversation
with
hilla
and
martin,
but
one
thing
that
we
did
talk
about
was
there:
is
there
any
opportunity
for
like
a
flattened
roof
structure,
or
you
know
anything
else
that
could
help
bring
that
overall
height
down,
and
I
think
ralph
and
david.
The
initial
responses
we
got
were
no
most
likely
because
of
this
process
because
of
the
preservation
society
and
having
to
kind
of
conform
to
the
the
roof,
the
gable
structure
of
the
original
house.
R
R
A
H
H
I
think
the
presentation
was
nicely
done
and
I
actually
feel
that
you
meet
all
of
the
standards
except
for
one
thing
which
is
not
under
our
purview,
and
your
presentation
indicated
that
you
assumed
there
was
six
feet
between
the
two
buildings
that
you
were
three
feet
off:
the
property
line
and
you
said
six
feet,
which
assumes
that
the
adjacent
building
was
three
feet
off
the
property
line,
and
I
find
it
insensitive
that
you
actually
didn't
check
that
out
that
you
didn't
look
that
you
didn't
include
the
existing
context
in
your
site
plan
and
if
nothing
else.
H
I
think
that
the
commission
is
also
about
the
relationship
of
landmark
buildings,
to
adjacent
properties
and
to
the
neighbors
into
the
quality
of
the
environment.
A
Okay,
we've
we've
had
a
good
discussion,
a
lot
of
ideas,
and
you
know
what
I
mean,
hopefully
with
the
month
that
things
will
will
come
into
focus
and
any
you.
A
G
A
Q
Q
A
Q
Yeah
and
just
just
to
comment,
mr
cohen,
I
mean
I,
I
think
ralph
spoke
of
the
six
feet,
but
we've
never
kept
that
hidden.
The
plat
of
survey
is
clear
and
when
we
submitted
for
the
building
permit,
it's
clearly
on
there.
It's
just
that
this
presentation.
We
didn't
think
this
was
an
element.
It's
our
fault.
I
guess
we
didn't
think
this
was
an
element
of
the
preservation
commission
in
regards
to
the
neighboring
property.
So.
A
Of
all
I
want
to
thank,
we
need
to
move,
we
need
to
move
on,
we've
got
several
more
matters
and
other
people
to
speak,
and
it
doesn't
sound
like
we're
going
to
be
voting,
I
mean.
Is
there
any
commissioner
would
like
to
make
a
different
motion.
I
just.
E
Let's,
let's
continue
this
I'll,
make
a
motion
that
we
continue
the
case
at
sorry
address
929
sherman
avenue
to
the
meeting
of
january
12th.
Okay,
is
there.
A
Second
season:
okay,
we're
all
called
out,
commissioner
idol
all
right.
Commissioner
cohen
aye,
commissioner
morris.
B
J
J
A
And
I'm
an
eye
right
and
kate,
I
guess
if
they
have
questions
in
the
interim
about
what
the
parties
can
do
to
maximize
the
opportunity
for
a
decision
at
the
next
meeting.
They
can,
I
guess,
contact
you
or
hopefully
at
some
point,
carlos.
A
A
C
A
I
don't
know
if
I
see
him
on
the
participant
list
all
right.
Well,
I
guess
we've
maybe
again
just
come
back
to
that
and
forest
avenue
by
the
end
of
here.
S
Yes,
I'm
peter
kating,
the
architect
for
1227
greenwood
street.
F
Yes
and
and
I'm
guy
elgat
one
of
the
applicants-
my
wife
is
here
with
me:
valerie
sternberg.
S
It's
an
existing
home
that,
I
believe
is
from
1959
it's
if
you
could
go
down
a
couple
more
there's
a
site
plan
with
a
little
bit
of
context
right
there
that
that
one's
great
it's
in
a
group
of
about
nine
homes
that
are
all
of
about
the
same
vintage.
S
S
The
basic
configuration
of
the
house
as
it
stands
is
the
eastern
portion
is
there's
a
garage
that
faces
green
wood
with
a
family
room
behind
it.
The
middle
section
consists
of
a
living
room,
kitchen
and
dining
room,
and
then
the
western
portion
is
currently
three
bedrooms
and
the
two
bathrooms,
along
with
the
entry
the.
S
Yeah,
so
you
can
see
the
garage
section,
that's
on
the
east
there,
where
we've
removed
the
gabled
roof
and
left
that
at
sort
of
the
lowest
height.
The
current
ceiling
height
on
the
first
floor
is
about
eight
feet.
In
the
middle
section
there
it
steps
up
a
little
bit
to
include
the
higher
ceiling
in
the
living
room,
and
then
the
western
section
includes
the
entryway,
the
stair
up
to
the
new
second
floor
and
the
bedrooms.
S
The
bedrooms
are
currently
about
a
nine
foot
ceiling,
so
we're
not
looking
for
a
lot
of
space
there,
but
we're
trying
to
keep
the
overall
height
of
the
building
low,
as
the
neighbor
to
the
north
is
fairly
close
to
to
this
building.
S
Our
our
building
is
set
about
six
and
a
half
feet
to
the
south
of
that
lot
line,
and
I
think
the
other
building's
six
and
a
half
seven
feet.
You
can.
S
And
I
should
mention
when
we're
talking
about
this
elevation,
that
the
sort
of
three
windows
on
the
towards
the
west
portion,
the
two
lower
ones,
are
an
existing
opening
size
that
we
hope
to
put
new
ultrex
gliders
in
that
will
fill
that
size
to
also
be
egress
compatible
compared
to
the
existing
windows,
which
are,
I
don't
know
if
they're
original
windows,
but
they
are
an
aluminum
window
and
they're
an
aluminum
true,
divided
light,
as
far
as
I
can
tell.
S
S
Continuing
down
through
the
elevations,
this
is
the
asberry
elevation.
Where
we've
added
the
second
story:
we've
increased
those
window
sizes
on
the
the
ground
level
there
to
match
the
front.
S
The
current
bedroom
situation
on
the
the
first
floor
to
the
north
and
the
south,
there's
one
bedroom
in
the
north
bedroom
doesn't
currently
have
any
egress
windows,
so
we're
hoping
to
make
the
windows
match
and
give
us
some.
S
The
rear
elevation
is
a
combination
of
existing
window
openings
on
the
first
floor,
one
new
window,
opening
where
there
was
previously
a
door
and
then
a
small
second
story
window
on
the
continuing
down
to
the
next
elevation.
Please,
the
east
elevation
in
the
existing
house
maintains
the
existing
openings.
S
The
window
on
the
left
of
the
is
to
the
garage,
the,
as
is
the
door.
The
next
window
is
to
an
existing
laundry
room
and
then
the
pair
of
sliders.
There
is
a
more
modern
slider,
some
sort
of
hello
wooden
slider
that
must
have
been
put
on
in
at
more
recent
time.
S
To
next
slide
down
shows
the
relationship
between
the
neighbors
to
both
the
east
on
the
top
there,
so
we're
quite
a
ways
to
the
neighbor
out
in
the
east.
The
lot
since
it's
a
corner
lot
is
set
up
as
if
asbury
street
is
the
front
yard.
Although
the
house
faces
green
wood-
and
you
know
in
practice
practice,
the
green
wood
would
look
like
the
front
yard,
but
there's
a
large
rear
yard,
as
it
might
be.
On
the
the
greenwood
street
side
there.
S
On
the
asbury
side,
the
house
to
the
north
is
quite
a
bit
closer.
The
garage
is
about
from
my
dimension
about
19
feet.
S
The
majority
of
the
new
second
story
aligns
with
the
garage
just
past
the
garage
there,
where
you
can
see
the
outline
of
the
gable
that
does
have
some
large
windows
and
past
that
the
house
does.
The
neighbor's
house
does
set
back
both
of
those
occur
primarily
against
the
lower
roofs
over
the
living
room
and
then
over
the
family
room
to
the
east
of
there.
S
So
we
did
try
and
step
it
down
a
little
bit
to
maximize
the
light
between
these
houses.
We
can
keep
going
through
down.
This
is.
S
Sorry,
I
wasn't
sure
where
that
was
coming
from.
This
is
a
sort
of
overall
rendering
from
close
to
the
corner
of
greenwood
and
asbury,
and
then
we
can
scroll
down
a
little
bit
more.
I
think
this
is
somewhere
between
a
rendering
and
an
elevation
showing
the
height
of
the
building,
pretty
closely
to
the
neighboring
neighbor's
house
and
garage.
S
This
one
shows
the
front
elevation
of
the
house
on
greenwood
and
the
distance
to
the
neighbor's
house
to
the
east,
and
then
I
think,
there's
maybe
one
or
two
more.
This
is
looking
west,
so
you
can
see
the
neighbors,
I'm
not
sure
what
room
it
is,
but
they
do
have
some
some
windows
under
the
peak
there
and
like
I
said
those
occur
primarily
next
to
the
middle
section
of
the
house,
where
the
it's
not
a
full
two
stories.
S
The
owners
would
like
to
propose
to
redo
the
exterior
in
a
white
stucco
which,
in
some
of
the
photos
there
are
number
houses
that
are
obviously
stucco
in
the
area,
including
a
couple
new
houses
just
down
on
asbury
to
the
south,
and
then
the
unitarian
church,
which
you
can
see
in
the
distance
of
the
right.
There
is
a
combination
of
stucco
and
smooth,
concrete
or
painted
concrete,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
they've
done
over
the
years
there.
But
it's.
The
appearance
is
pretty
similar.
S
So
yeah
this
is
then
just
a
series
of
pictures.
The
top
row
is
the
view
from
of
our
house
to
from
the
corner
going
to
the
east,
so
the
neighbor
immediate
east
is
a
single
story,
sort
of
red,
brick
ranch
style
and
then
on
the
corner
at
greenwood
and
ridge.
S
There's
another
single-story
ranch,
that's
probably
more
similar
to
our
house,
the
unitarian
church,
obviously,
and
then
in
the
middle
row
there
and
then
two
houses
next
door
to
that,
and
then
the
bottom
row
here
are
the
houses
on
asbury
going
to
the
south
in
the
two
houses
I
mentioned
in
both
in
stucco
in
the
house,
the
last
house,
obviously
with
a
portion
of
a
roof
with
a
parapet
on
it.
S
The
last
page,
I
think,
is
some
more
photos
that
shows
our
house
in
the
upper
right
with
the
neighbor
with
the
garage
facing
asbury
and
then
1415
asbury
is
another
house
that
faces
the
garage
faces
as
great,
but
that
one
is
a
two-story
version
of
of
these
1950s
houses.
A
Okay
is
that
it
for
the
presentation.
A
Are
there
questions
from
commissioners?
I
imagine
there
are.
A
I
know,
and
maybe
the
those
more
knowledgeable
about
technical
matters
than
I
am,
can
pick
this
up.
I
I
just
wondered
if
the
plan
was
sufficient
to
really
get
a
sufficient
idea
of
what
the
structure
was
going
to
look
like
when
it
was
done.
It
just
looked
very
non-specific
to
me.
E
I
I
guess
where
you're
going
with
that
comment,
is
kind
of
the
kind
of
what's
the
the
next
level
of
detail,
we'd
see
in
the
actual
finished
product,
it's
essentially
drawn
in
the.
E
S
The
the
owner,
you
know
as
currently
drawn
we
you
know,
wanted
to
primarily
be
a
smooth
stucco.
You
know
box
with
it
would
have
additional
metal
detailing
on
it.
They
are
proposing
black
windows
in
black
sheet
metal
trim.
They
would
like
to
do
a
glass
railing
on
that
upper
deck,
that
I
guess
I
didn't
quite
mention,
but
the
deck
that
shows
up
off
the
bedroom
on
the
second
floor
in
yes,
there
could
be
some
additional
detailing
shown.
S
It
is
somewhat
difficult
to
effectively
render
white
stucco
because
it
appears
like
white
stucco,
especially
at
this
scale,
or
you
know,
smooth
white
paint.
I
suppose
it
looks
like
so
yes
that
that's
a
question
or
if
there's
a
comment
that
there's
something
a
direction
that
you
you're
interested
in,
seeing
that
we
would
take
that
to
heart.
E
Not
necessarily
a
direction
just
wanting
to
understand,
what's
what's
being
proposed,
so
kind
of
how
do
you?
How
do
you
envision
kind
of
the
window
details
working?
Is
that
what
happens
where
the
window
meets
the
stucco?
Is
there
a
trim,
or
is
there
a
setback,
the
stucco
wraps
into
the
opening?
How
what's
some
of
the
detailing
for
those
transitions.
S
Yes,
I
I
I
I'm
imagining
that
the
stucco
would
would
return
into
the
windows
the
first
floor
is,
you
know
existing
painted
masonry,
so
we
have
existing
masonry
openings
that
we'll
be
working
with
that
they
would
hope
to.
S
You
know,
apply
stucco
to
to
give
it
this
smooth
finish
that
they're
they're
desiring.
So
the
the
detail
is
fairly
minimal,
as
currently
intended.
A
All
right,
why
don't
we
well
commissioners,
consider
why
don't
we
turn?
Are
there
members
of
the
public
who
came
to
speak
tonight?
I
know
there
were
some
written
submissions,
but
is
anybody
here
to
speak,
someone's.
T
T
I
don't
know
if
he
read
it
into
the
minutes
yet
or
not,
but
we
also
learned
about
this
dramatic
difference
in
renovation
only
by
postcard
and
we
were
shocked
to
say
the
least,
because
it
looks
like
nothing
else
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
know
there's
a
referral
to
the
two
stucco
houses
down
the
street,
but
they
are
just
discreetly
situated
and
they
have
gables
and
they
have
nice
windows,
and
you
know
they're
also.
T
The
only
thing
you
see
of
them
is
the
facade.
This
on
the
corner
of
1227
is
every
direction
and
it
is
so
glaring.
We
were
just
very
upset
and
I
think
if,
if
kade
reads
my
my
comments,
I
don't
want
to
repeat
myself
here,
but
it's
really.
It
feels
so
unacceptable,
so
unacceptable
to
this
neighborhood.
T
You
know,
because
we
are
one
of
18
houses,
actually
that
were
built
between
1949
and
1959
and
we're
bordered
by
greenwood,
asbury
lake
and
ridge,
and
we
all
face
a
different
way
and
we
all
have
weird
addresses,
even
though
we
don't
face
the
street
that
we
live
on.
But
I've
lost
my
train
of
thought,
but
anyhow
it
just
doesn't
look
like
anything
anything
at
all.
A
Okay
and
kate
did
circulate
to
all
of
us
the
your
written
statements
that
we
have.
T
I
C
H
Could
you
explain
the
the
modifications
include
the
addition
of
gables
to
the
proposed
renovation?
The
drawings
indicate
that
the
renovation
is
all
flat
roofed.
So
I
didn't
understand
that.
S
Possibly
I
mean
I
know
which
house
nadine
lives
in
she's
in
the
other
two-story
house,
two's
two
doors
to
the
north
so-
and
I
believe
mrs
hesterberg
is
the
obviously
the
house
one
horse
to
the
north.
So
I
think
she's,
the
next
house
after
that,
I'm
not
sure
what
you
know,
what
what
gables
has
to
do
with
it
other
than
maybe
it's
a
misdescription
of
the
second
floor
in
some
fashion.
U
U
T
A
U
Yeah,
this
is
the
first
that
we're
seeing
of
the
detailed
plans
outside
of
the
postcard,
and
you
know
we
also
wanted
to
say,
welcome
to
the
neighborhood.
Thank
you
so
much
for
you
know
taking
the
time
to
restore
the
house.
I
think
that
this
has
a
lot
of
potential.
U
I
guess
my
husband
and
I
are
just
a
little
bit
concerned
and
and
actually
agree
with
mrs
hesterberg,
that
I
don't
know
that
it
kind
of
fits
in,
as
is
that
it
fits
into
the
rest
of
the
block
right
now,
especially
since
it's
you
know
so
much
on
display
on
the
corner
right
there,
as
mrs
hesterberg
referenced,
the
other
two
houses
that
are
also
you
know,
kind
of
the
smooth
stucco
are
a
little
bit
more
tucked
away,
and
you
just
don't
see
them
quite
as
much.
U
That's
a
busier
block
of
asbury
just
to
the
south
of
us.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
hard
comparison
for
us
to
draw
we're
very
excited
about
the
nation's,
because
we're
very
excited
to
welcome
new
neighbors.
It
just
doesn't
quite
fit,
as
is
just
sort
of
what
I've
grown
to
to
get
used
to
sort
of
in
the
neighborhood
that
that's
all
I
don't
know
it
just
feels
a
little
bit
off
to
me
visually.
I
I
have
a
question:
there
were
two
other
stucco
houses
in
the
historic
district
that
were
mentioned.
Do
we
know
the
construction
dates
and
if
those
were
originally
stucco
or
if
those
are
additions
as
well.
H
They're,
both
new
construction
and,
I
think,
they're
within
the
last
five
or
six
years.
A
A
A
Somewhat
more
compatible
with
I
mean
across
the
street
to
the
west
from
this
house
from
the
greenwood
house
on
ridge
is
all
the
you
know.
The
big.
A
Victorians
any
discussion
by
commissioners
about
what
we
want
to
do
go
ahead.
Stewart.
H
Yeah,
I'm
new
to
the
commission.
I
elliot
dot.
Nick
and
julie
hacker
have
gone
off
the
commission
and
they
are
hard
acts
to
follow.
But
in
terms
of
the
amount
that
I
have
to
say
about
this
project,
I'm
gonna
make
an
effort.
You
know,
while
I
agree
that
the
house
is
radically
different
from
all
of
the
things
that
are
around
it,
one
of
the
things
about
the
standards
for
review
is
that
they
are
intended
to
be
style
blind.
H
Having
said
that,
I
have
some
question
whether
this
total
transformation
of
a
1950s
ranch
house
should
be
evaluated
using
the
standards
for
alteration
or
the
standards
for
new
construction
it
applied
under
alterations.
So
I
think
what
I
did
was
to
go
through
each
of
those
standards
with
respect
to
the
house,
and
I
find
that
standard
one
is
not
met
because
the
project
requires
more
than
minimal
alteration
of
the
property
standard.
H
I
find
that
3,
5,
6
and
10
are
not
met
and
that
4,
7
and
eight
do
not
apply
and
nine
which
says
it
does
not
discourage
different
and
innovation.
Innovative
approaches,
while
it's
ostensibly
met,
I'm
not
sure
that
this
architectural
vocabulary
is,
is
something
innovative
in
the
sense
that
it's
actually
a
pretty
well-known
style
of
architecture.
H
At
this
point,
if
we
look
at
the
project
for
the
standards
of
review
for
new
construction-
and
I
guess
that
would
assume
that
the
project
was
resubmitted,
I
feel
that
standard
one
which
has
to
do
with
the
height
relationship
to
adjacent
buildings
is
actually
met.
Even
though
much
of
the
street
are
low
ranch
houses
and
the
reason
I
feel
that
is
that
the
three
corner
houses
are
two
stories
high
and
having
a
two-story
mass
on
the
fourth
corner,
I
think
seems
like
a
good
decision
and
a
good
relationship.
H
The
proportion
of
the
facades
is
matte
with
respect
to
the
other
corner
houses
that
is
the
height
to
width
ratio,
but
certainly
not
with
respect
to
the
remaining
one-story
ranch
houses
that
are
to
the
east
of
the
property
along
the
street.
The
proportion
of
openings
is
clearly
not
met.
The
proposal
is
dramatically
different
in
both
size
and
compositional
arrangement.
H
Rhythm
number,
four
is
rhythm
to
solids
and
voids
in
the
facade
and
that's
clearly
not
met,
although
I
would
compliment
the
corner
roof
terrace,
which
does
recognize
the
diagonal
orientation
of
the
house.
To
that
corner.
Number
five
is
the
rhythm
and
spacing
between
structures
which
has
been,
I
think
has
been
met.
You
know
that
this,
the
spacing
seems
reasonable
and
the
whole
idea
that
there
should
be
a
continuity
of
building
fronts
along
the
street
is
met,
but
I
think
more
as
a
result
of
a
required
setback.
H
As
opposed
to
design
number,
seven,
I
feel
is
met
as
there
are
both
old
and
new
stucco
houses
in
the
block,
particularly
east
of
the
site
along
asbury.
Roof
shapes
clearly
not
met,
and
here
again
it's
been
mentioned.
H
But
I
would
urge
you
to
look
at
the
two
new
stucco
houses
on
the
east
side
of
ridge
between
dempster
and
greenwood,
that
I
think,
do
a
better
job
of
meeting
the
standards
with
respect
to
roof
shapes
and
three
proportion
of
openings,
10
and
11
are
met
and
12
and
13
do
not
apply
and
having
run
through
the
last
set
of
criteria
on
making
the
assumption
that
you
might
want
the
option
of
reapplying
is
under
under
the
evaluations
for
new
construction.
H
You
know
it,
your
the
project
might
have
a
better
chance
of
receiving
approval
under
those
standards.
But
my
feeling
is
that
as
a
application
for
for
an
alteration
that
does
not
meet
the
list
of
standards
for
a
certificate
of.
S
Appropriateness,
thank
you
stuart.
I
I
think
you
do
raise
an
interesting
question
in
that.
S
Does
this
group
of
housings,
in
their
sort
of
1950s
presentation,
show
something
that
needs
to
be
maintained
for
this
project
to
be
approved
one
way
or
another,
or
are
there
options
to
change
this
house
to
something
that
is
newer,
such
as
other
stucco
houses
that
duck
down
the
block?
And
I
I
you
know
when
you
read
these
standards,
it's
sometimes
hard
to
see
what
direction
they
they,
you
know,
intend
to.
Take
you
for
a
group
of
houses
like
this.
S
E
F
E
Mean
I
think
that
that
is
the
starting
point
is
that
we
have
to
accept
first
of
all,
that
the
existing
house
is
non-contributing
and
that
such
a
drastic
transformation
is
even
within
the
ballpark.
I
mean,
I
guess
personally,
I'm
comfortable
with
that
as
a
starting
point,
but
I
think
stewart
raises
a
good
point
that
the
transformation
is
so
total.
E
E
While
there
are
examples
of
stucco
houses
in
the
district.
They
typically
have
a
little
more
variety
and
articulation,
as
opposed
to
just
completely
covering
every
every
surface,
in
every
direction,
with
a
uniform,
unarticulated
pallet
with
a
stucco
with
no
trim
and
kind
of
trying
to
make
it
all
like
a
monolith
like
it
was
carved
from
a
single
block
of
granite.
E
I
think
that
materiality
is
a
problem.
That's
standard,
seven
and
I
think
standard
eight.
The
roof
line
is
a
is
a
problem.
There's
really,
there
are
some
commercial
or
institutional
buildings
in
that
area
that
have
flat
roofs,
but
the
residential
structures
do
typically
have
have
sloped
roofs,
and
I
I
kind
of
question
the
the
flat
roof
appearance
of
of
this
structure.
E
A
Just
to
clarify
so
the
application
was
made
under
both
alteration
and
construction
and
the
yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
with
the
issues
under
the
centers
for
construction
I
mean
there
are.
You
know
there
is
a
section
which
is
one
of
the
the
sections
which
is
under
which
permission
is
sought,
which
you
know
says.
Innovative
design
for
a
new
construction
in
addition
to
existing
properties
should
not
be
discouraged
and
then
goes
on,
but
there
are
certainly
other
standards
that
you
know
for
additions.
A
The
distinguishing
original
qualities
should
be
preserved,
and
I
think
you
know
it
the
the
question
of
whether
you
know
what
kind
of
preservation
centers
we
should
be
applying
to
these
1950s
houses-
and
you
know,
preserving
the
relationship
to
the
surrounding
similar
houses
is
a
hard
one.
I
don't
know
that
we,
I
mean
it's
a
hard
one
to
resolve,
but
I
guess,
given
the
almost
I
don't
want
to
say
conflict,
but
but
it
really
is
a
conflict
between
preserving
existing
structures
and
having
an
innovative
design.
I
guess
I'd
like
to
see.
A
A
S
Yes,
something
in
between,
and
that's
really
my
question
is,
you
know,
is
this
an
avenue
you
know?
Is
there
other
support
for
something
in
between,
or
is
it
really
something
where
once
we
head
down
that
path
that
we're
always
something
in
between
and
we
never
get
to
something
that
anybody's
happy
with
or
are
we
trying
to?
You
know
maintain
this
1950s
house,
which
you
know
has
a
bunch
of
layers
on
it.
Now
you
know
it's
vinyl,
the
the
siding
you
see
is
vinyl.
You
know
the
the
windows
are
these,
like.
S
I
said
these
sort
of
divided
light,
aluminum
windows
that
I
could
look
around
and
sort
of
guess
as
to
what
maybe
they
were
there.
It's
pretty
interesting.
If
you
walk
in
that
street
there
the
different
types
of
windows,
we
see,
there's
some
steel
windows
there.
There
are
casement
windows,
there
are,
you
know
double
hungs
and
they
have.
Some
of
them
are
divided
light
and
not
so
I
always
feel
you
know
a
little
bit
leery
when
I
go
back
and
sort
of
start
inventing
things
for
a
house
like
this.
S
I
don't
think
I
could
replicate
these
windows.
You
know
if
I
tried
there,
somebody
sold
them
these
windows
at
some
point
and
I
think
they
shortly
went
out
of
business
after
that,
but
so
yeah
that
the
the
something
in
between
is
is
is
interesting.
Or
do
I
really
need
to
try-
and
you
know
delve
into
this
1950s
vernacular
and
sort
of
you
know
get
that
I
can
go
two
houses
down
and
I
can
find
a
pretty
good
example
of
a
two-story.
S
You
know
house
like
this.
It's
a
little
bit
different
orientation
and
the
the
second
story
set
back
above
the
garage
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
you
know
I
would
have
a
pretty
strong
case
for
that.
It
would
end
up
with
a
fairly
tall
gable
on
on
asbury
there
as
opposed
to
the
much
lower
flat
roof,
and
I
totally
understand
the
the
comments
about
the
flat
roof
is
just
you
know.
S
H
I
I
think
one
way
to
think
about
it
is
if
the
ranch
house
that
you're
proposing
to
alter
were
to
come
before
the
commission
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
and
we
looked
at
it
in
relation
to
all
of
the
existing
older
homes.
We
would
probably
deny
it
on
the.
We
should
not
tell
you
how
to
design
this
house,
but
you
should
also
keep
in
mind
that
the
two
newer
stucco
houses
that
are
on
asbury
both
received
certificates
of
appropriateness
and
that
they
have
elements
that
relate
them.
F
S
A
I
mean
it
just
you
know
it's
a
little
bit
of
context.
I
mean
new
new
construction,
particularly
with
innovative
new
construction
poses
hard
difficulties
both
for
the
commission
and
obviously
you
heard
from
neighbors,
and
this
is
a
something
that
happens
over
and
over
because
it's
very
challenging.
A
I
don't
envy
the
job
you
have
to
do
to
do
it
and
again
nobody's
discouraging
you
from
doing
a
good
job
and
we're
not
saying
slavishly
follow
elements
of
other
homes
just
to
follow
them,
but
but
typically
it
is
a
process
of
trying
both
to
accomplish
what
you
want
and
being
pleased
with
the
work
and,
at
the
same
time
trying
to
have
a
little
less
harsh
relationship
to
what's
around
it,
and
you
know
I
mean
I'd,
say
90
percent
of
the
time
proposals
for
new
construction
that
are
very
innovative
do
have
to
come
back
because
that's
really
hard,
it's
a
hard
job.
I
I
also
appreciate
how
difficult
it
is
having
gone
through
you
know,
or
observing
several
of
these
exercises.
For
me,
I
just
it's
the
hard
angles
and
the
aesthetic
of
the
50s
ranch
really
pulls
in
all
of
these
diagonals.
So
if
there
was
some
way
to
sort
of
pull
that
all
together,
it
might
tie
things
together
in
a
way
that's
acceptable
for
everybody.
B
I
do
appreciate
that
I
mean
in
this
view
here
you
can
see
that
the
fenestration
is
actually
mimicked
and
and
enhanced
with
the
second
floor,
and
so
I
appreciate
those
kind
of
details
and
and
that
you
know,
preservation
of
that
part
of
the
character,
but
I
think
just
that
overall
design
yeah
the
standards
of
the
original
qualities
and
innovative
design
on
the
construction
side,
as
well
as
some
of
the
more
specific
ones.
At
the
beginning
of
both
the
alteration
and
the
construction,
then
those
are
just
kind
of
stopping
points.
For
me
as.
A
Well,
okay,
I
think
we'd
like
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
consider
and
and
if
you
need
more
than
a
month,
that's
okay,
I
mean
do
you
want
to
continue
for
a
month
and
then,
if
you
I
mean
I
you
know,
no,
I
don't
think
I
think
we
all
realize
this
is
as
a
hard
problem.
If
you
need
to
they'll,
be
okay,
okay,.
S
A
F
I
may
I
please
just
quickly
ask
a
question:
if
that's
okay.
A
F
So
I'm
just
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
what
we're
trying
to
aim
at
here.
So
would
a
slanted
roof
approximate
this
in
between
that
you
mentioned,
because
it
sounded
to
me
like
the
perhaps
the
chief
problem
was
the
flat
roof,
so
just
to
get
a
better
sense
of
what
exactly
we
would
be
trying
to
aim
at.
Is
that
something
that
would
appease
the
concerns
of
the
commission
of
the
committee
members.
A
F
Okay,
yes,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
exact,
how
what
exactly
should
we
have
before
our
mind,
so
to
speak
in
trying
to
you
know,
find
a
suitable
solution
here.
A
F
B
Sure
I
move
to
continue
the
application
for
their
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
property
at
1227
greenwood
street.
In
the
ridge,
historic
district
case,
20
prez-0315.
B
The
certificate
of
appropriateness
it
was
for
proposing
to
renovate
the
existing
first
floor,
replace
all
windows
with
new
tear
down
the
roof
and
add
a
second
floor
and
finish.
The
entire
building
in
white,
smooth,
stucco,
applicable
standards
alterations
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen
and
demolition
one
through
six
and
we're
proposing
to
continue
it
to
the
january
2021
meeting.
A
B
B
M
All
right
there
we
go
yeah
hi.
My
name
is
benjamin
tuning,
I'm
the
contractor
for
sean
casey.
What
I'm
proposing
for
his
home
is.
It
is
a
landmark
home
from
my
understanding.
It
was
built
in
1889.
M
He
currently
has
a
cedar
shake
roof
and
I'm
proposing
to
go
to
an
asphalt
shingle
made
by
certain
teed
that
shingles
landmark
pro,
which
is
a
certainty
shingle
that
most
closely
resembles
cedar
shake
most
of
their
other
designer
shingles
kind
of
mimic
slate,
and
things
like
that.
The
landmark
pro
is
an
upgraded
architectural
shingle.
I
know
architectural
is
pretty
standard
now
moving
on
from
three
tab,
so
this
shingle
is
heavier.
It's
270
pounds
per
square,
so
it's
thicker
to
give
it
more
of
a
dimensional
look.
M
Obviously
no
asphalt
shingle
is
gonna
match
the
the
thickness
of
cedar.
I
did
include
some
photos
of
just
the
front,
rear
right
and
left
slopes.
As
far
as
from
the
street
view,
there's
pretty
much
mostly
only
the
the
porch
roof
is
visible
from
the
street.
You
do
get
sections
of
the
right
and
left
slope
as
well,
but
minimal
the
homeowner's
biggest
concern
for
wanting
to
switch
is.
He
was
dropped
by
his
insurance
just
due
to
having
a
seated
roof.
That's
over
10
years
old.
M
They
didn't
actually
even
address
the
condition
of
the
roof.
They
just
said.
Since
his
roof
was
over
10
years
old
and
cedar,
they
they
would
no
longer
cover
him,
and
then
he
did
have
a
difficult
time
finding
new
homeowners
insurance.
So
I
think
that
is
his
main
concern
and
then
my
reason,
for
you
know
offering
this
switch,
is
just
the
cedar
does.
Last
a
long
time
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
a
40
or
50
year,
roof
if
maintained
properly.
M
The
problem
with
our
climate,
where
you
get
the
map
like
extreme
temperature,
differences
and
humidity
cedar,
requires
a
lot
more
maintenance
in
order
to
to
have
it
last
at
40
or
50
years.
So
that's
that's.
Essentially
what
I'm
proposing
I
did
mock
up,
not
the
exact
home,
but
a
similar
looking
home
as
far
as
siding
and
everything
else
with
asphalt,
shingle,
that's
in
weathered
wood
and
then
also
there's
a
color
that
is
specific
to
landmark
pro,
which
is
prairie
wood,
which
is
supposed
to
mimic
a
solid
stain
cedar
shingle.
M
So
I
don't
know
if
you'd
like
me
to
share
my
screen,
but
I
can
kind
of
show
you
those
mock-ups.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
any
questions,
it's
kind
of
straightforward.
I
guess.
M
Yeah
well
yeah,
so
I
can
share
my
screen
and
at
least
just
show
you
the.
M
See
you
guys
have
these
pictures
front
elevation
left
elevation
rear
right,
and
so
this
would
be
again.
This
is
not
his
home.
It's
just
kind
of
a
similar
one
that
I
mocked
up.
This
is
the
hold
on.
Let
me
look
real
quick.
M
M
So-
and
I
think
the
insurance
did
mention
as
well
the
the
class
rating
as
far
as
like
this
cedar
shingles
go.
They
were,
I
think
that
was
their
main
concern
is
like
their
their
fire
rating
for
for
dropping
mr
casey,
I
know
the
the
asphalt
shingles
have
a
class,
a
rating
you
can
achieve
a
class,
a
rating
with
with
cedar
shingles,
depending
on
what
they're
treated
with
and
then
also
certain
underlayments
used
as
well.
A
Okay,
so
the
the
write-up
in
the
historical
inventory
for
this.
A
Home
states
that
had
cedar
roofing
at
the
time
is
there
any
evidence
that
the
replacement
with
this
material
would
relate
to
some
historic
material.
M
A
E
E
That
being
said,
I
I
don't
think
the
the
cedar
shingle
roofing
is
particularly
character,
defining
as
compared
to
like
the
the
nicely
cut
shingles
for
the
siding
are
much
more
important
and
those
are
not
part
of
this.
I
think
the
roofing
as
a
cedar,
shingle
roof,
was
kind
of
just
the
default
when
the
house
was
built,
and
certainly
all
of
the
many
of
the
other
neighboring
houses
went
through
a
similar
transformation
where
people
give
up
on
a
wood,
shingle
roof
and
go
with
an
asphalt
shingle.
E
A
I
mean
I
I
would
I'll
disagree,
I
mean-
and
I
I
definitely
went
by
this
house
and
looked
I
mean
the
the
appearance
of
the
architectural
shingle
is
a
great
deal
more.
A
You
know
kind
of
looks
much
more
machine
made.
There
are
a
considerable
number
of
other
houses
around
it
that
have
a
considerable
number
of
houses
in
evanston
that
have
the
cedar.
Shingle
that
I
can
tell
you
from
firsthand.
Knowledge
are
definitely
insurable,
maybe
the
you
know,
maybe
40
or
50
year
old
cedar
that
needs
to
be
replaced.
A
Might
race
fire
issues,
but
a
very
large
number
of
us
in
evanston
have
this
cedar
shack
and
we
generally
have
required
that
people
maintain
the
historic
material
of
the
cedar
on
a
considerable
number
of
houses,
and
I
don't
know
personally,
I
think
the
difference
in
appearance
is
considerable
and
again
this
is
a
landmark
home.
B
Excuse,
mr
tuning
and
this
picture,
that's
up
on
the
screen
is
the
roof.
That's
on
the
neighboring
building.
Is
that
the
same
kind
of
material
that
you're
proposing
for
the
for
the
your
client.
M
Similar
material,
but
it
would
be
a
different
look,
so
the
shingle
that
I'm
proposing
isn't
upgraded
shingled
to
what
the
what
the
neighbor
current.
Well,
I
guess
what
both
neighbors
currently
have.
I
think
they
kind
of
have
more
of
an
entry-level
shingle.
This
one
again
is
is
thicker
and
it
comes
with
max
def
coloring
so
again
to
just
kind
of
mimic
that
cedar
shake.
Look.
M
I
think
the
other
issue
too,
as
far
as
maintaining
a
shake
roof
on
a
house
on
a
two-story
house
with
a
12
12
roof
just
becomes
one
expensive,
which
I
know
doesn't
really
matter
it
being
a
landmark
home,
but
two
just
also
the
the
liability
is,
is
much
greater
as
well,
and
I
do
think
there
are
pretty
limited
views
of
the
actual
shake
roof
itself.
From
line
of
sight
on
on
the
street,
I
mean
more
or
less
his
neighbors
are
the
ones
kind
of
staring
at
his
roof.
M
Yes,
and
I
will
say
too,
I
in
my
original
proposal-
I
didn't
include
open
valley.
So
if
you
go
to
the
right
slope
of
the
roof,
there
is
an
open
valley
which
is
just
common,
install
methods
for
for
cedar,
shake,
and
that's
something
that
I
could.
I
would
like
to
incorporate
in
actually
just
looking
at
it,
so
open
valley,
just
being
metal
versus
just
like
a
close
cut
valley
with
an
asphalt
shingle
again
just
kind
of
more
stained
with
the
aesthetic
of
of
cedar
shake
just
may.
H
S
D
F
E
I'll
I'll
make
a
motion
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1323
elmwood
avenue
to
replace
the
existing
cedar
shingle
roof
with
a
new
asphalt,
shingle
rough
standards
for
alteration
one
through
ten
apply.
A
Okay,
all
right
well
call
vote.
Commissioner
idol
aye,
commissioner
cohen.
H
G
B
J
A
And
I'm
a
no,
so
I
guess
if
it's
three
to
three,
it's
just
not
chaos
right,
correct,
okay,
all
right
and
just
to
confirm
for
the
applicant.
If
you
do
want
to
replace
the
material
with
a
current
material,
you
do
not
need
our
approval.
A
And
we,
we
can't
tell
you:
what's
your
only
option,
we
only
vote
on
what
was
presented,
but
I
mean
it.
There
are
great
number
of
houses
that
come
before
and,
to
be
honest,
I
think
if
we've
required
a
a
you
know
a
large
number
of
homeowners
to
maintain
their
currently
existing
materials
on
landmark
homes.
G
A
A
Time
good
evening,
the
next
meter
up
is
2009
dodge.
F
J
So
can
I
just
make
a
comment
on
2009
dodge
mark
just
for
the
minutes,
so
I
actually
went
to
visit
this
project
and
we
requested
some
additional
information
on
the
citing
detailing,
I'm
not
sure
if
that
was
received
by
kate
or
from
carlos.
But
that
might
be
the
reason
why
the
applicant
isn't
here
to
speak,
for
it.
C
I
have
not
received
any
anything
and
I
assume
if
carlos
hattie
would
have
sent
it
to
me
and
I've
looked
through
his
email
and
not
received
it
either
recently.
So.
H
Yeah,
it
seems
to
be
2009
dodge
is
a
double
whammy,
we're
being
asked
for
asphalt,
roof
which
seems
reasonable,
since
it's
already
replacing
an
asphalt
roof
but
they're
changing
the
siding
and
they
want
to
go
to
a
hardy
board,
which
I
think
you
know
painted
or
or
pre-finished
looks
very
much
like
and
is
indistinguishable
at
any
distance
from
wood
siding.
H
A
All
right,
well,
the
applicant-
isn't
here
tonight
to
to
here,
to
do
that.
I
mean,
as
the
application
comes
up
for
pre-screening
and
again
you
know,
hopefully,
next
month
the
pre-screeners
can
make
sure
that
the
that
may
be
questions
you
even
ask,
but
can
make
sure
that
those
details
are
clear.
But
when
we
come
back.
J
Sure
I
moved
to
continue
2009
dodge
avenue
to
the
january
12th
meeting.
A
H
A
G
A
Commissioner,
reinhold
aye,
okay
and
I'm
an
I.
The
commander
is
2027
orrington
avenue.
A
You
know
I'm
wondering
if
people
communicated
to
carlos
who
didn't
get
the
communications.
A
J
C
A
Yeah,
no,
I
I
mean
we
don't
usually
have
people
like
this,
who
just
don't
show,
and
I
I'm
wondering
if
they
send
emails
back
to
him
and
we
just
don't
know
it
doesn't
matter.
Let's
continue,
27.
A
V
The
home
had
a
whole
house
fire
in
march
of
2020,
the
owner
at
the
time
of
the
fire,
decided
not
to
bring
the
house
back.
There
was
just
some
emotional
ties.
There
was
a
family
member
home
at
the
time
of
the
fire,
so
we
purchased
it
post
fire.
V
So
our
goal
is
to
maintain
the
original
beauty,
especially
from
the
exterior,
but
also
to
bring
it
up
to
today's
standards
of
usefulness.
To
that
we
are
proposing
a
garage
on
the
property.
It's
a
two-car
garage
where
there
has
not
been
one
previously
and
changing
the
the
back
entrance
to
an
enclosed
back
end
friends
right
now:
it's
an
open,
porch
kind
of
entrance
way
that
goes
right
into
the
kitchen.
This
would
allow
us
to
have
a
little
mud
room
before
entering
the
kitchen.
V
The
windows
have
multiple
layers
of
damage,
all
of
them.
V
A
part
of
it
is
age
in
the
original
windows.
Part
of
it
is
the
fire
damage
heat
from
the
fire.
Then
the
fire
you
know,
department
comes
in
and
everything
is
wet.
There's
been
no
utilities
in
the
house
since
the
time
of
the
fire.
So
since
march,
there's
been
no
heat,
no
air
conditioning,
so
we
also
have
those
elements
so
we're
proposing
to
keep
the
same
size
windows
leave
all
those
openings
as
they
are.
There
are
eight
windows
currently
that
have
divided
lights.
V
We
are
able
to
with
the
marvin
windows,
replicate
those
windows,
visually
simulated,
divided
lights
and
all
eight
of
those
windows
would
be
replaced
with
those
the
the
monuments
that
are
inside
and
outside
the
very
front
of
the
house
has
an
artistic
leaded
glass
window
that
was
very
much
so
damaged
and
melted
in
the
fire.
That's
legible.
With
heat,
we
have
spoken
with
two
different
companies
that
assure
us
that
they
could
bring
that
back,
and
so
we'll
do
well.
That
will
remain
and
we'll
be
able
to
fix
that
window.
V
If
you
look
I'm
trying
to
see
okay
you're
on
the
site
plan,
there
are
some
some
photos
of
the
house
and
the
the
damage
we've
talked
to
a
contractor,
a
carpenter
who
says
that
real
thin
wooden
siding
that
we
have
is
about
three
inches
wide,
is
easily
accessible.
We
can
fix
the
damage
that
we
have
and
use
that
same
material
on
the
garage
so
that
the
garage
materials
would
directly
visually
replicate
the.
A
V
This
this
is
the
rendering
of
the
proposed
garage.
The
lighting
is
going
to
mimic
the
the
lighting
in
on
the
front
house.
There's
one
grass
lantern
that
we
believe
there's
no
electricity
to
the
house,
we're
not
exactly
of
the
working
condition
of
it,
but
we
believe
we
could
fix
that
and
find
coordinating
materials
for
the
garage
as
well.
V
We
know
that
we
can
computer
color
match
the
the
white
of
the
house
and
the
blue.
We
do
you'll
see
in
you'll,
see
in
front
of
the
garage
where
it's
even
a
lot
quicker.
The
original
driveway
stops
about
midway
through
the
house
that
is
concrete
and
because
there
wasn't
a
garage
it
just
stops.
A
So
the
other
aspects
of
your
project
are
the
replacement
of
different
windows,
including
the
specially
diamond,
shaped
muttons,
restore.
F
V
C
F
V
V
The
goal
with
the
restoration
is
that
if
you
walked
past
this
house,
because
you
lived
in
the
neighborhood
20
years
ago,
that
if
you
walked
past
it
now,
you
wouldn't
notice
that
we
had
done
anything
and
the
pitch
of
the
roof
for
the
new
garage
mimics,
the
pitch
for
the
house,
you
might
walk
less
and
say:
hey.
Was
there
a
garage
there
before
or
not
and
hopefully
not
even
know
for
sure.
B
For
those
new
windows
with
the
diamonds
from
marvin,
then
are
the
muntins
in
between
the
glass
or
are
they
applied
on
the
outside.
W
Oh
so
the
the
marvin
windows
we're
using
is
the
marvin
ultimate
generation
two
window.
It's
a
wood
interior,
aluminum,
clad
exterior
and
the
buttons
would
be
permanently
applied
inside
and
outside
of
the
glass
to
replicate.
The
true,
divided
light.
Look
that
I
assume
existed
there
before.
So
no,
we
don't
use
any
in
between
the
glass
grid
options.
There.
B
J
H
I
have
a
question.
First
of
all,
I
think
that
the
marvin
cloud
window
is
a
good
product.
The
sdl
that
you're,
that
you're,
showing
with
a
diamond
lights,
is
a
is
a
really
great
window.
If
you're
since
you're,
going
to
a
cloud
wood
cloud
window
for
all
the
exteriors,
which
means
no
maintenance,
are
you
changing
all
of
the
windows?
Will
everything
be
an
aluminum,
clad,
exterior.
V
Our
proposal
is
due
is
to
change
out
all
the
windows.
Okay,
we
have
no
functioning
windows,
and
this
will
be
able
to
you
know
to
bring
it
up
to
today's
standards
of
efficiency
insulation,
but
still
keeping
that
same
same
look
as
much
as
we
can.
W
V
And
that's
100
our
goal
and,
and
they
were
the
ones
who
would
who
worked
with
us
in
replicating
the
eight
specialty
windows.
B
V
The
same
wood
siding
that
you
see
on
the
front
of
the
house
that
we're
going
to
use
on
the
garage
would
be
on
there
as
well
and
there's
just
a
little
bit
of
detail
on
the
very
top
that
is
shown
on
the
sides
of
the
house
at
inside
the
peaks
that
we
will
replicate
on
that
and
then
also
on
the
garage
just
so
it
has
the
same
texture.
We
don't
want
anything
to
be
real
flat.
We
want
to
keep
the
same
dimension,
the
same
characteristics
as
much
as
possible.
D
Yes,
sir,
so
I
am
here
to
object
to
an
issuance
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
in
this
case,
and
primarily,
I
want
to
focus
on
the
proposed
two-car
garage.
D
That's
part
of
this
application,
the
construction
of
a
new
two-car
garage
in
this
location,
where
none
has
existed
before
in
keeping
with
the
goals
of
the
evanston
preservation.
Commission,
the
construction
of
a
new
two-car
garage
is
contrary
to
the
goal
of
preserving
the
northeast
historic
district.
D
In
support
of
this
position,
I
would
refer
to
you
know
the
illinois
code
of
ordinances,
title
ii,
that
the
commission
works
from,
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
requirements
of
the
portion
of
the
code
for
this
type
of
application,
specifically
with
respect
to
the
height
of
the
garage.
D
D
I
would
also
say
the
the
rhythm
and
spacing
of
the
structure
is
not
is
not
appropriate
for
this
area.
The
scale
of
the
structure,
meaning
the
size
and
the
mass
of
the
garage
is
not
visually
compatible.
D
In
addition
to
that,
I
think
you
know
if
you
look
at
the
secretary
of
the
interior's
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties,
I
think
similar
considerations
with
respect
to
the
impact
of
this
project
on
on
the
current
garden
vegetation
and
yards
in
this
area
would
be
significantly
negatively
affected.
D
You
know
those
standards
further
require
that
new
construction
should
be
appropriately
located
far
enough
away
to
preserve
the
historic
nature
of
the
setting,
and
the
proposed
garage
is
far
too
close
to
neighboring
homes.
I
should
say
specifically
my
home:
we
have
a
budding
rear
yards.
It's
not.
I
think
the
pictures
that
have
been
did
as
part
of
this
project
are
a
little
bit
misleading,
there's
not
a
forest
behind
the
garage
that's
being
proposed
here.
My
house
is
behind
the
garage.
D
There's
no
trees
there
in
between,
in
fact,
there's
a
very
nice.
Well,
I
should
say
there
are
some
very
nice
smaller
trees,
not
the
large
trees
that
are
depicted
in
the
in
the
pictures
and
clearly
you
know
that
vegetation
would
be
destroyed
removed
as
part
of
this
project.
D
D
I
would
just
note
that
the
we've
recently
become
aware-
and
of
course,
we've
only
been
aware
of
this
meeting.
You
know
for
the
last
couple
of
days,
but
we've
recently
become
aware
that
the
curb
cut
and
driveway
to
the
side
of
the
property
was
a
much
more
recent
addition
that
was
brought
to
our
attention
by
the
aldermen,
we're
in
the
process
of
investigating
all
of
the
conditions
that
were
put
in
place
surrounding
the
creation
of
that
of
that
curb
cut
and
driveway.
D
But
certainly
the
driveway
was
not
a
part
of
the
of
the
yard
that
went
along
with
this
historic
in
this
historic
district
at
this
location
and
certainly
there's
never
been
a
garage
at
this
location
and
it's
inconsistent
with
with
the
rules
of
the
commission,
and
we
would
ask
that
it
that
this
application
not
be
approved.
A
J
And
chair
simon,
I
have
a
follow-up
question:
when
they
get
there,
there
is
a
garage
that
is
similarly
located
in
the
back
of
the
property
two
homes
I
believe
to
the
north.
J
V
We
don't
have
an
alley.
The
placement
of
the
of
the
garage
was
to
use
as
little
of
the
property
as
possible,
but
again
to
set
it
back
from
the
home
we
kept
height
and
size
very
much
into
consideration,
as
well
as
the
other
homes
around
us.
I
will.
I
will
agree
with
the
neighbor
who
says
there
isn't
a
forest
behind
us.
V
That
is
an
artistic
rendering
based
on
photographs
that
we
were
asked
for
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
so
I
had
we
got
that
done
as
quickly
as
possible,
basically
to
show
the
proportion
of
where
the
house
is
which
you
can
see
from
the
pipeline
as
well
to
where
the
garage
is,
but
I
think
that
would
be
the
natural
location
for
the
garage
I
mean
you
know
not
moving
it
behind
the
property
itself
to
keep
you
know
in
the
plane
of
the
existing
driveway
again
height
and
size
is
not
overbearing
to
the
house
or
the
structure
of
the
property.
V
We
worked
really
hard
with
zoning.
You
know
with
impervious
impervious
surfaces
and
you
know
making
sure
all
of
those
things
correlated,
and
I
think
we
also
have
to
go
back
to
you
know,
which
is
in
the
application.
V
A
D
Right
and
just
if
I
could
answer
the
commissioner's
question,
the
house
two
doors
north
no
longer
has
a
garage
in
that
location.
All.
C
And
I
can
speak
really
quickly
to
the
the
driveway
was
was
permitted
under
the
previous
owner
who
had
a
medical
issue.
I
don't
I
don't
know
the
specific
conditions
related
to
installation.
That
is
he's
correct.
That's
something
that
we're
researching,
but
I
believe
that's
something
that
would
come
up
during
permitting
not
necessarily
during
your
review
of
the
coa.
F
A
A
The
applicant
sites
is
that
it,
you
know
just
it's
functional
people
need
it
for
for
utility
reasons,
and
I
I
think
we
again,
we
probably
I
I
mean
in
the
four
years
I've
been
on
the
commission,
we've
probably
approved
75
two
or
three
car
garages
and
never
disapproved
one.
I
think
it's
a
matter
of
we're
obligated
to
act
consistently.
D
I
think
just
one
last
point:
I'd
like
to
just
make
I'm
sorry
before
I
wrap
up,
which
is
that
what
you
can't
tell
from
this
site,
drawing
is
that
the
the
yard,
this
backyard
does
not
abut
another
backyard
or
an
alley,
but
it
butts
directly
onto
you
know
a
small
pathway
that
then
leads
to
to
my
house
so
because
of
the
orientation
of
the
house
corner,
there's
no
yard
or
garage
at
that
location.
D
In
fact,
my
house
does
not
have
a
garage,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it
was
clear
that,
exactly
at
on
the
other
side
of
the
property
line,
you
know
set
back
appropriately.
H
D
D
There's
no
yard
there,
it's
just
the
appropriate
three
foot
setback
path,.
H
So
you're
telling
us
that
the
back
of
this
garage
is
three
feet
will
be
six
feet
from
I'm
sorry,
I
can't
tell
how
far
it's
off
the
property
line,
but
it'll
be
approximately
six
feet
from
the
side
of
your
house.
D
E
H
Five
feet
in
what
is
it
at
the
back?
It's
five
foot,
five.
A
E
G
E
Any
more
compliant
with
the
standards,
it's
kind
of
the
natural
location,
to
put
it
kind
of
towards
the
back
of
the
lot
and
away
from
away
from
the
house.
There's
a
minimum
distance
between
the
house
and
the
garage
they
have
to.
They
have
to
follow,
and
so
I
don't
think
they
really
have
a
lot
of
any
other
any
other
options
other
than
this
location.
To
put
a
garage.
E
H
Yeah,
I
would
agree
with
ken.
I
think
you
should
be
complimented
on
the
quality
of
the
work
you're
proposing
to
do
and
the
quality
of
the
design.
Thank
you
for
showing
us
the
floor
plans
they're,
not
a
requirement,
but
they
make
the
little
vestibule
mudroom
addition
to
the
back
of
the
house
completely
understandable,
and
I
compliment
you
not
only
on
the
design
of
that
element,
but
the
fact
that
you're
using
a
very
high
quality
window
which
will,
in
terms
of
its
appearance,
duplicate
what
you're
replacing
with
respect
to
the
garage.
H
I'm
from
a
zoning
point
of
view.
I
see
no
reason
why
it
shouldn't
be
there
and,
from
a
compatibility
point
of
view
with
respect
to
our
standards.
I
have
no
objections
to
it.
I've
read
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
as
well
as
all
of
our
standards
and
the
objector,
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
objector
is
referring
to.
H
Although
I
do
sympathize
with
the
fact
that
this,
because
of
the
zoning
and
the
fact
that
his
house
faces
in
a
different
direction,
that
there
will
be
not
a
lot
of
space
between
the
back
of
the
garage
in
his
house.
A
All
right,
any
other
commissioners
wish
to.
B
I
had
a
question
just
about
the
the
work
before
the
leaded
glass
windows.
Are
you
replacing
them
with
new
glass
windows,
or
are
you
working
with
the
original
material?
There.
V
I
V
Artistic
leaded
glass
windows
that
are
made
out
of
individual
pieces
of
beveled
glass,
one
we
got
lucky,
it
only
needs,
probably
a
a
professional
cleaning.
It
was
not
damaged
in
the
fire.
That's
the
one
off
to
the
side
of
the
driveway
in
the
back.
The
one
in
the
very
front
of
the
house
is
the
one
that
is
melted
pieces
of
glass
broke.
V
I
have
been
told
by
tim
murphy
with
tmc
windows
who,
hopefully
is
a
recognizable
name
to
you.
We
we
that
he
can
reuse
the
materials
that
are
there
and
then
just
incorporate
new
materials
to
totally
restore
that
window.
So
what
we
can
salvage
the
pieces
of
glass
there
are
pictures
of.
There
is
a
picture
of
this.
If
you
go
down
to
the
notice
of
the
existing
home,
he
can.
V
He
can
fix
that
with
all
the
materials
just
bringing
in
the
pieces,
individual
pieces
of
glass
that
are
needed,
yeah
and
then
somehow,
however,
he
doesn't
maybe
uses
another
heat
source
to
straighten
it
out
again,
but
he
has
assured
me
that
he
can
restore
that
window
and
the
front
door
as
well.
So
those
those
elements
will
not
be
painted
at
all,
those
will
be
restored.
B
V
H
V
I
will
tell
you
that
we
tried
really
hard
with
the
resources
you
know
getting
online
talking
to
people
talking
to
people
who
knew
people
who
said
when
do
you
do
you
know
how
to
work
with
a
historical
home
you
know
and
and
the
care
that
is
needed
with
that
and
also
do
the
work?
You
know
what
is
your
knowledge
base,
and
so
we
we
have
tried
to
bring
in
the
best
people
that
we
could
for
this.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Why
don't
we
would
somebody
like
to
make
a
motion
to
vote
it's
getting
late,
stuart!
You
want
to
make
a
motion.
O
Yeah,
my
name
is
peter
evans.
I
live
at
2237
sherman,
so
I
am
adjacent
to
to
2235
to
the
north
and,
yes,
the
the
garage
that
one
of
the
commissioners
was
referring
to
to
the
house
immediately
to
the
north
of
me
was
torn
down
and
I
believe
that
they
did
so
because
they
believe
that
it
was
out
of
conformance
with
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
they
wanted
to
open
up
the
backyards.
O
My
biggest
concern
well
two
concerns.
I'm
I'm
very
concerned
about
you
know:
dan's
house,
being
blocked
by
you
know
by
a
garage
he's
obviously
going
to
lose
a
lot
of
light,
and
I
don't
think
that
you
know
that
a
garage
of
that
size
on
a
lot
of
that,
it's
a
very
small
backyard.
I
mean
it's
a
very,
very
small
backyard,
they're
jamming
that
thing
into
when
the
neighbor
built
the
house
on
the
the
garage
on
the
alley.
O
My
backyard
now
floods,
which
you
know
it
is
what
it
is
so
I'm
concerned
not
just
about
the
character
of
you,
know
the
the
the
backyard's
changing
but
of
water
runoff,
and
so
I
don't.
I
know
that
may
be
outside
of
the
purview
of
of
your
committee,
but
I
am
very
concerned
about
excess
water.
All
of
these
houses
flood.
You
know,
everybody's
put
in
drain
tiles,
and-
and
we
do
what
we
possibly
can,
but
you
know
having
you
know
that
much
water
being
displaced.
H
My
understanding
this
has
to
meet
the
requirements
for
impervious
surface,
but
evanston
also
requires,
I
think,
for
a
project
like
this.
The
submission
of
civil
engineering
drawings,
so
that
they
can
assure
that
running
water
off
onto
adjacent
properties,
which
is
illegal
to
do,
will
not
be
the
case
here,
and
I
would
tell
you
to
follow
up
on
that.
With
respect
to
this
project.
H
I
understand
that
the
desire
to
build
a
garage-
I
agree
with
you,
that
the
backyard
sort
of
goes
away
when
you
do
so,
but
I
don't
think
it's
within
our
within
the
within
the
commission's
purview
to
tell
anybody
that
they
can't
build
a
garage
as
long
as
it
is
compatible
with
the
existing
structure,
meets
our
standards
and
is
acceptable
under
the
zoning.
A
V
We
worked
with
michael
griffith
in
regards
to
the
the
pervious
versus
impervious
surface
of
the
entire
property,
and
there
were
numerous
changes
made
to
our
proposal
based
on
our
conversations
with
him,
and
we
actually
went
through
that
process
before
coming
to
this
committee
to
make
sure
that
we
that
everything
was
correct
there
first
and
that
everything
fast
and
was
approved
there.
V
A
C
It'll
it'll
come
up
during
the
permitting
process.
It's
it's
reviewed
by
the
city
engineer
and
they
would
ensure
that
all
the
the
water
remains
on
site.
It
has
to
stay
on
site
in
it
can't
drain
into
the
roadway
either.
So
it
can't
go
into
the
public
way.
It
can't
go
into
neighboring
properties
in
the
city,
engineering.
H
Sure
I
I
I
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
additions,
alterations
and
the
construction
of
a
new
two-car
garage
for
the
property
at
2235,
sherman
avenue,
landmark
northeast
district
case
20
press
zero.
Three
one,
nine.
A
H
Is
that,
oh
sorry,
I'm
new
to
all
of
this?
What
do
I
hit
tell
me
what
I
need
to
say.
H
Oh
yeah,
it
meets
the
applicable
standards,
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
four
seven,
eight
and
ten,
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
demolition
requirements
are,
but
demolition
one
through
six.
A
Okay,
rock
out
commissioner
idol
hi,
commissioner
cohen
hi,
commissioner
morris.
A
I'm
sorry
pleasure
reminded
me
so,
let's
it
says
you
want
to
move
to
continue
1509
for
us.
J
A
Okay
broadcast
commissioner
eidol
aye,
commissioner
cohen
hi,
commissioner
morris.
B
A
Mr
bardin
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
and
commissioner
simon
is
yes.
The
other
matter
was
the
church.
The
1208.
A
Just
before
we
move
on
from
it
the
the
application,
maybe
this
is
why
it's
not
here.
Maybe
you
gave
this
feedback,
the
application
has
like
really
doesn't
depict
you
know,
what's
there
now
or
what
it's
going
to
be
replaced
with
it's
like
one
page,
I
don't
know
if
you
already,
maybe
wouldn't,
if
maybe
you
already
did
this,
but
when
it
comes
back,
I
assume
you'll,
maybe
try
to
get
more
information.
J
So,
just
from
the
pre-review
standpoint,
julie
and
I
conveyed
to
scott
and
carlos
that
not
only
did
we,
we
needed
a
purpose
for
the
proposed
work.
We
needed
some
information
on
the
disrepair
of
the
existing
windows,
photos
of
the
condition
of
the
existing
windows
and
what
they
looked
like
from
the
inside
and
the
outside,
and
then
a
little
bit
more
information
about
what
is
actually
being
replaced
and
or,
if
they're,
just
getting
re-wetted.
We
also
asked
them
to
have
their
contractor
available
to
discuss
and
answer
any
questions.
If
that
was
possible,.
J
A
Yeah
I
mean
maybe
they
didn't
attend
tonight
because
they
knew
they
hadn't
done
any
of
these
things
all
right
so,
but
do
you
want
to
move
for
1208
to
be
continued?
I
think
you
just
have
to
you
know.
A
Second,
okay,
wrong
call
about
commissioner
idol
aye,
commissioner
cohen.
H
A
Commissioner
morris
hi,
commissioner
bowden
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
hi.
Okay
thanks,
so
it
is
great
to
only
commissioners
and
staff
on
the
meeting
for
the
participants
kay.
Do
you
want
to
take
the
rest
of
the.
C
Program
sure
yeah
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes.
I
know
I've
received
a
few
comments
already,
which
I've
incorporated.
If
someone
wants
to
make
a
motion
to
approve,
we
can
do
that
or
if
you
have
more
comments.
E
Well,
if
nobody's
going
to
jump
in
I'll,
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
november
10
2020
with
the,
including
the
various
comments
of
people
emailed
to
staff.
J
A
Okay
about
commissioner
idaho
aye
stewart,
I
don't
think
you
can
vote
you
weren't
here,
commissioner
morris.
L
A
The
the
nominees
I
think
were
beth
for
secretary
susie,
ford,
vice
chairman
and
myself
for
chair.
C
C
E
M
C
E
Passing
the
torch
she's,
getting
ready
to
rotate
off
in
a
six
months
or
so
sure
I'll
I'll
make
a
motion
to
appoint
the
officers
for
2021
as
as
previously
mentioned,.
A
All
right,
it's
about
10
o'clock,
hard
meeting
with
some
hard
mattress.
Does
anybody
else
have
anything
they
we
need
to
discuss.
A
Kade,
thanks
for
doing
a
great
job
appreciate
it.
J
And
stuart,
I'm
sorry
that
I'm
putting
you
in
this
position,
but
I
assume
julie,
will
continue
to
do
the
pre-review
this
next
month.
H
Yeah,
I
haven't
discussed
it
with
her,
but
I
think
she
it
that's
her
intention.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
I
don't
think
everybody
in
february
journeying.
Yes,
yes,
all
right!
Thank
you
see
you
next
month.
Thank.