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A
Okay
is
everybody
in?
Are
we
ready.
A
A
The
first
matter
is:
we
need
to
waive
having
a
live
meeting
and
authorize
having
a
virtual
meeting
by
zoom
and
we'll
have
to
do
a
roll
call
of
commissioners
to
approve
so
commissioner
morris.
C
A
D
Yeah,
so
I'll
just
give
you
a
kind
of
recap
on
where
we're
at
on
the
project.
You
guys
had
seen
it
back
in.
I
think
what
was
october
of
last
year,
we
had
a
little
bit
more
of
a
dramatic
back
porch
and
the
roof
line,
and
things
like
that.
Unfortunately,
we
got
hit
with
a
flood
over
the
new
years
and
it
wiped
out
our
kitchen
we're
diverting
money
onto
the
interiors
more
and
reducing
the
scope
on
the
exterior.
D
So
what
you're,
seeing
here
in
front
of
you
on
the
screen
is
the
revised
scope
of
the
exterior,
and
I
think
the
the
comments
on
the
takeaway
last
time
when
we
looked
at
the
rear
of
the
house,
and
the
coach
house
here
was
to
get
rid
of
the
sort
of
we
had
the
trellis
structure
that
was
out
in
front
of
the
roof,
and
then
we
talked
about
rounding
the
columns.
D
So
we
we
basically
have
here
two
examples.
The
first
page
shows
square
columns.
The
second
page
here
shows
the
rounded
columns
put
both
in
here
as
an
option
just
because,
with
the
change
in
the
scale
and
sort
of
the
you
know
before
there
was
a
really
nice
rhythm
of
the
four
or
five
columns
in
a
row.
The
round
made
a
lot
of
sense.
I
don't
know.
D
Maybe
the
square
makes
sense
now,
because
it's
a
completely
different
scale
of
what's
going
on
it's
a
little
more
surgical
and
really
all
we're
doing
is
leaving
the
existing
porch
mud
room,
that's
to
the
right
of
the
main
house
and
extending
the
roof
out
and
then
we're
adding
a
little
drop
down
roof
over
the
sliding
door
to
the
left
of
the
back
of
the
main
house,
so
pretty
significant
reduction
in
the
scope
from
what
you
guys
saw
last
time,
yeah
2020
bit
me
on
new
year's
eve.
D
D
Everything
else
basically
stayed
the
same
yeah
you
can
start
to
see
in
the
back
of
the
house
elevation
on
the
bottom.
Here
again,
we
still
had
the
slider.
That
was
the
left.
We
still
had
the
door
coming
out
on
the
right.
It's
just
and
the
three
windows
in
the
middle
we've
just
reduced
the
amount
of
roof
line
and
again
still
looking
at
a
standing,
seam
roof
to
tie
into
the
front
of
the
house.
And
then
you
know,
looking
at
a
sort
of
a
trellis
element
connecting
the
two
groups.
D
And
then
the
coach
has
basically
stayed
the
same
other
than
we
changed
the
columns.
You
know
right
now.
Oh
I'm,
sorry.
The
other
thing
the
comment
was
the
garage
doors
we
went
back
and
edit
the
garage
doors
to
be
a
little
bit
more
with
the
language
and
the
feedback.
Based
on
the
last
meeting
we
had.
E
Mr
owen,
I
just
have
one
quick
question
about
the
application.
You
you
show
fiberglass
windows
for
the
proposed
for
the
addition
on
the
rear,
the
modifications
on
the
rear
and
then
in
the
coach
house.
You
state
that
you're
replacing
the
wood
windows
are
those
original
wood
windows
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge.
D
I
would
say
two
of
the
seven
I
think
we're
replacing
might
be
there's
some
that
are
not.
They
were
on
the.
They
were
actually
like
that
little
mud
room
addition
is
not
probably
true
to
the
original
structure
of
the
house
and
those
are
not
original,
but
the
two
on
the
direct
back
of
the
house
probably
were
original.
E
Did
you
consider
using
a
material
that
that
included
some
form
of
wood,
so
something
like
an
aluminum
clad,
as
opposed
to
the
fiberglass.
D
We
could
it
could
be
yeah
yeah,
I
think
we'd
probably-
and
I
guess
maybe
that
fiberglass
wasn't
the
right
word
to
have
on
the
drawings.
I
think
what
we'd
want
to
do
is
probably
do
something:
wood
clad.
We
want
to
maintain
the
wood
look
on
the
interior
and
the
exterior
match
the
existing
windows,
so
it
probably
would
be
more
of
a
wood,
clad,
aluminum,
clad
window.
Okay,.
D
Yeah,
I
think,
okay,
that
was
probably
with
all
the
other
stuff
we've
kind
of
value
engineered
and
had
to
reshuffle
because
of
what
happened
that
probably
just
got
missed
in
the
translation.
Okay,.
F
Okay,
I'm
I'm
a
bit
confused
when
I
looked
at
the
drawings
that
show
the
windows
and
then
schedule
them
are
some
of
the
new
windows
vinyl
and
some
of
the
new
windows
would
or
are
they
all
of
them?
Vinyl.
D
F
No
vinyl
windows,
oh
the
sheet,
says
vinyl.
I
must
be
mistaken.
I
had
one
other
question
for
you.
I
know
there's
been
some
discussion
which
I
think
predates
me
about
whether
these
the
columns
should
be
round
or
square.
F
What
I
find
awkward
about
the
columns
is
what
we
used
to
refer
to
as
l
over
r,
which
is
unbraced
length
they
just
even
though
I'm
sure
their
sound
structurally,
because
there's
so
little
load
on
them.
They
just
seem
visually
very
tall
and
when
you
look
at
the
way
the
columns
on
the
front
porch
are
handled,
the
end
column
is
actually
sits
on
a
little
rectangular,
pier,
which
is
part
of
the
railing
system.
F
In
short,
and
therefore
the
length
is
shortened,
did
you
look
at
something
like
that
as
a
as
a
possibility
for
keeping
those
columns
from
looking
like
toothpicks.
D
Yeah-
and
it
doesn't
show
very
well
on
the
sheet
we're
looking
at
on
3.0
but,
for
example,
the
bottom,
the
the
the
right
column.
We
did
have
the
first,
basically
three
foot
being,
and
it
may
not
show
very
well
in
this
rendering,
but
in
the
play
plan.
F
D
Yeah,
the
the
the
two
on
the
coach
house
that
are
freestanding.
We,
we
could
definitely
look
at
probably
changing
those
or
adding
some
more
call
it
meat
to
the
the
base
of
those
columns
for
sure.
D
F
Skillful-
and
you
know
in
sympathy
with
the
existing
structures.
A
Yeah
we'll
come
back
in
a
sec
if
anybody
has
any
last
thoughts
were
there
any
public
comment
on
this
matter.
A
No
any
final
discussion
or
questions
by
the
commission
before
we
go
to
a
vote.
E
Now
I
just
think
that
the
motion
should
maybe
recommend
to
use
the
aluminum
cloud
windows
if
mr
rowlands
sounds
like
he's.
Okay
with
that
yeah.
D
E
Yeah,
I
moved
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
1735
asbury
avenue
case
number
20.
E
Is
it
20
20
prez0293
it's
for
the
structural
enhancements
on
the
first
and
fourth,
first,
first
and
second
floors,
the
renovation
of
the
existing
condition
kitchen
with
new
windows
and
doors,
the
covered
porch
and
open
deck,
and
the
coach
house
renovation
applicable
standards
would
be
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
five,
seven,
eight
and
10
through
15
demolition,
one
through
six,
and
we
asked
the
applicant
use
the
aluminum
clad
wood
windows
for
the
window
replacements
as
as
well
as
take
into
consideration
of
the
base
details
at
the
columns.
E
A
H
A
Commissioner
reinhold
aye
commissioner
idol
aye,
commissioner
sullivan
aye
commissioner
bowden
aye,
commissioner
cohen
aye,
commissioner
dudnick
aye
I'm
an
eye,
so
it's
unanimously
in
favor.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
All
right,
the
next
manner
up,
I
don't
know:
if
is
there
anyone
here
on
2009
dodge.
A
Avenue
kate
you've
been
unable
to
get
a
hold
of
the
applicant.
B
A
I
Can
you
hear
me
looking
at
the
application
I
mean
juan
seems
to
be
the
contractor
all
of
the
phone
numbers
that
you
had
and
there
was
a
different
owner
and
that
seemed
to
have
the
same
phone
number
anyway.
I
So
have
we
been
trying
to
get
a
hold
of
the
contractor
or
the
who's?
Apparently
the
applicant
or
the
owner?
I
tried
both
because
there
wasn't
there
was
no
different
phone
number
for
an
owner.
B
I
E
I
met
with
him
on
site
and
we
discussed
it
back,
I
believe
in
november
or
early
december,
but
he
has
not
responded
since
that
meeting
and
he
was
requested
to
give
additional
information
to
carlos
and
the
city
in
regards
to
questions
that
were
asked
about
the
corner
detailing
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
the
city
hasn't
received
that
additional
information
either.
So
I
would
agree
with
chair
simon
that
at
this
point,
probably
should
just
be
dismissed.
They
can
always
reapply.
I
B
A
I
would
just
do
that
in
case.
They
want
to
come
back
yeah,
okay,
all
right
on
to
new
business.
The
next
manner
is
in
mid
avenue,
paul
lang,
applicant.
G
J
So
I
I
know
I've
presented
to
you
a
couple
times
before,
so
I
will
try
to
focus
on
on
the
changes
in
this
design,
since
we
last
saw
each
other
in
january.
So
I
would
say
the
the
biggest
changes
from
the
the
previous
design
is
a
flat
roof
structure
which
is
now
being
proposed
over
the
north
and
east
elevation,
which
is
pretty
much
the
front
and
inside
facade.
J
J
I
would
say:
roofing,
structure
and
kind
of
extend
it
especially
to
the
south,
where
we're
proposing
a
new
deck
and,
and
so
the
the
flat
roof
structure,
really
allows
us,
I
think,
to
continue
to
accent
the
the
or
bring
out
the
the
main
feature
of
the
of
the
original
home,
while
at
the
same
time
allowing
us
to
extend
the
porch
around
to
the
side,
give
us
a
a
wider
porch
and
then
you'll
see
a
new
structure
on
on
the
south
end,
which
you
know,
I'm
continuing
to
call
a
three-season
room,
and
this
basically
is
now
attached
to
the
house.
J
It's
set
back
a
bit
and
and
will
serve
our
purposes
in
terms
of
a
an
indoor
outdoor
space
that
we're
looking
to
add
the
the
rear
of
the
elevation
had
a
flat
roof
structure
before
so
that's
unchanged,
there's
a
couple
window
details
that
are
slightly
different
in
that
I
would
say:
there's
new
bi-fold
doors
that
go
around
the
three
season
room.
So
that's
one
aspect.
There's
on
on
the
north
elevation.
J
I
tried
to
carry
across
the
the
guard,
rail.
I
basically,
if
you,
if
you
can
see
in
this
picture
currently
the
the
railing
is,
is
coming
across
and
you
see
the
how
it
ties
into
the
window
in
terms
of
where
the
bottom
window
sits,
and
so
I
tried
to
propose
new
windows
which
would
keep
that,
as
is
in
his
in
the
front,
so
that
that
guardrail
line
comes
all
the
way
across.
J
So
so
that's
I
guess,
a
slight
modification.
There
were
some
pilosters
that
I
proposed
last
time.
I
would
say
generally
there's
a
some
comments
around
the
the
design
being.
J
Too
ornamental
is
maybe
the
right
word,
and
so
I've
tried
to
pair
that
back,
and
so
a
lot
of
I
think,
a
lot
of
what
you
see
is
is
is
is
pretty
simple.
J
J
A
F
I
have
a
quick
question
unrelated
to
the
changes
you've
made,
which
I
think
are
great
improvements
for
the
deck
porches
you're,
showing
a
panel
underneath
the
deck
that
closes
the
space
under
under
there,
and
I'm
just
wondering
is
that
a
solid
panel?
And
are
you
it's
hard
to
tell
from
the
drawing?
Are
you
holding
it
up
off
the
ground?
What
what
exactly
is
the
detail
you're
proposing
for
enclosing
the
underside
of
the
deck.
J
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
quite
sure
the
if
you're
speaking
to
the
front
elevation.
F
All
of
the
elevations
that
show
decks
the
ones
we're
looking
at
here,
where
the
deck
goes
all
the
way
yeah,
it's
those
panels
exactly.
J
Yeah
yeah,
those
are
just
basically
wood
wood
panels
with
with
a
mesh
interior.
F
F
F
J
F
F
Wondering
because
the
graphics
don't
really
show
what
you're
what
you
just
described.
But
thank
you
for
clarifying
sorry.
J
No,
no
problem,
if
you
go
back
up
to
the
the
very
first
picture,
I
I
believe
yeah,
you
can't
see
it
too
well
there,
but
but
that's
the
that's.
Basically,
the
wood
lattice
that
it's
just
a
crosswood
lattice.
Oh.
I
Okay,
I've
got
two
questions.
The
first
is
when
I
look
at
the
elevations.
It
appears
that
your
railing
on
the
front
of
the
house
is
a
different
height
than
the
one
at
the
rear.
That's.
J
I
All
right:
well,
I'm
not
sure
you
can
have.
I
don't
know
what
height
that
is,
I'm
not
sure
it
looks
like
you've
only
got
it
about
two
feet:
high.
That's.
J
I
On
stairs
is
that
something
that
you
or
your
architect
has
worked
out,
or
is
that
something
that
you
know
they're
going
to
allow
you
to
do.
J
Well,
it's
my
understanding
that
in
historic
districts
that
you
can
ask
for
exceptions
that
would
meet
basically
the
the
historic
design
of
the
of
the
district
or
of
the
home,
and
so
there's
such
features
such
as
a
two
foot
guard
rail
which,
to
your
point,
would
not
be
up
to
the
standards
of
today
and
and
the
back
guard.
Rail
does
have
that
as
a
matter
of
fact.
But
I
wanted
especially
on
the
front
elevation
to
try
to
keep
that
guardrail
again
at
the
bottom
of
that
of
that
window.
Sill.
J
G
J
I
I
think
we've
run
into
this
before
I
mean
we've
had
other
cases,
but
it
seemed
to
me
that
in
most
instances
that
I
can
recall,
people
have
in
fact
proposed
the
taller
railing.
Maybe
somebody
in
the
commission
can
recall
some
others.
K
I
think
that
it's,
you
know
a
long-standing
debate
between
historic
standards
and
building
code.
I
think
that
we
probably
would
all
you
know
it's
it's
historically
appropriate.
What
as
you
have
it
drawn.
I
don't
know
that
they'll
give
you
the
you
know:
they'll
approve
it
for
you
from
a
building
code
perspective.
I
believe
it
has
to
do
with
distance
from
ground
to
the
top
of
the
railing,
and
you
know,
and
as
to
whether
or
not
they'll
give
you.
F
That
you're
not
required
if
it's
under,
if
the
distance
to
the
ground
is
under
18
inches.
I
believe
the
question
I
would
have
is:
is
there
a
existing
24
inch
railing
whose
height
you're
matching
and
if
that's
not
the
case,
and
I
don't
have
the
ability
to
scroll
through
the
existing
drawings
that
are
up
on
the
screen?
But
if
that's
not
the
case,
I
would
have
no
objection
to
a
picket
railing
with
the
same
detailing
that
you're
showing
that
would
meet
the
code.
F
I
Oh,
I
mean
that
was
the
thing
that
I
just
thought
I
mean
in
this
case.
We
don't
have
he's,
not
matching
an
existing
railing
stewart
I
mean,
because
if
you
look
at
the
elevation
right
there,
the
east
elevation
at
the
top
there
was
no
railing,
so
this
is
essentially
not
matching
a
pre-existing
railing.
I
mean.
J
There
is
just
just
there
is
a:
there
is
a
railing
on
the
north
elevation.
If
you
wanted
to
see
anything
two
feet
and
it's.
J
F
Okay,
well
you're
welcome
to
design
it
at
two
feet.
I
think
I,
even
if
you
get
a
building
department
exemption,
it
still
doesn't
preclude
liability.
Should
somebody
fall
over
that
railing.
G
I
think
we
can
cut
to
the
chase,
maybe
and
just
say
that
from
our
perspective-
since
this
is
not
a
historic
porch,
it's
a
new
feature
that
we're
trying
to
make
compatible.
I
don't
think
anyone
on
the
commission
would
object
to
doing
a
36
inch
high
railing
that
meets
current
code.
If
you,
so
it's
really
up
to
the
homeowner.
If
you
want
to
try
and
get
the
variance
go
for
it,
but
I
don't
think
any
of
us
really
would
object
to
seeing
a
36
inch
high
code
compliant
railing
either.
K
Like
I
prefer
it
this
way,
if
they'll
give
you
the
if
they
give
you
the
okay,
then
that's
great,
but
I
think
it's
more
an
issue
of
whether
or
not
you
have
to
come
back
to
cade.
You
know
for
an
administrative
approval.
If
they
don't
let
you
do
this
height
railing
right.
J
Yes,
of
course,
if
I
don't
get
this,
you
know
I
I
I
would
propose
it
as
is
today
and
move
it
to
36,
and
then
you
know
I
can
you.
Let
me
know
how
best
to
deal
with
that,
but.
A
You
won't
have
to
come
back
to
the
commission,
I
mean
you
might
to
talk
to
carlos
sir.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
question.
J
I
You
think
I
am
actually
I
I'm
speaking
of
the
the
columns,
because
I
think
last
time,
as
I
recall,
there
was
discussion
about
the
column
spacing
and
the
fact
that
those
columns
on
the
front
facade
don't
align
with
either
the
the
front
elevation
of
the
main
house
and
or
the
windows,
and
that
still
seems
to
be
the
case,
and
I
I
thought
that
came
off
as
a
kind
of
recommendation
from
people
to
try
to
do
something
about
that.
J
When
we,
when
we
spoke
about
the
columns
last
time,
my
understanding
was
that
this
was
really
about
spacing
of
the
columns
and
that
the
the
spacing
looked
irregular
and
and
so
what
I've
I've.
I
have
made
an
attempt
to
basically
equalize
that
spacing,
as
is
as
much
as
you
can
see,
and
I
think
it's
it's
within
an
inch.
J
So
you
know
I
I'm
going
to
say
that
that's
pretty
close
and-
and
so,
if
you
look
at
the
spacing
across
the
front,
columns
those
basically
those
three
sections,
those
are
equal
distant
and
then,
if
you
look
at
the
spacing
from
that
last
column
on
the
south
to
basically
the
edge
of
the
porch,
that's
also
equidistant.
J
If,
if
you
look
at
the
the
portico
on
on
the,
I
guess
the
north
east
elevation,
you
know
that
there
there
was
some
spacing.
That
was
this.
You
know
that
we
went
back
and
forth
on
and
tried
to
basically
move
that
over
enough,
so
that
you
could
see
the
the
the
window
detail
or
the
window
trim,
and
so
it
wasn't
obstructing
the
the
facade.
J
F
Yeah
you
you've
got
an
equal
spacing
which
I'm
fine
with.
I
think
what
ellie
is
objecting
to
is
that
there's
no
geometric
or
visual
relationship
between
the
columns
and
what
happens
on
the
plane
behind
them
in
terms
of
what
solid
wall
and,
what's
window?
Frankly,
that's
if
you
look
at
historic
houses
with
front
porches,
all
throughout
evanston
or
anywhere.
F
The
the
the
composition
of
the
back
plane
is
independent
of
the
regular
spacing
of
the
columns
or
the
regular
spacing
of
the
columns
allowing
an
odd
bay
for
this,
the
stair
that
ascends
to
the
porch,
so
I
don't
know
elliot.
We
can
have
it
out
about
this
at
some
later
point,
but
I'm
I'm
not
disturbed
by.
I
F
A
All
right,
why
don't
we
ask?
If
are
there
any
even
is
there
any
public
comment.
H
J
Just
for
privacy,
the
it's
really
just,
I
I
the
a
lot
of
this
has
been.
How
do
we
balance
kind
of
an
outdoor
space
with
a
bit
of
privacy?
And
if
you,
if
you
recall
the
a
couple
designs
I've
put
forward
and
the
last
design
kind
of
had
this
detached
three
season
room
and
again,
the
part
of
the
rationale
for
the
detachment
was
to
provide
some
some
privacy
behind
it.
J
F
Name
now
that
you
open
that
all
up-
and
we
look
at
it-
can
we
zoom
in
on
on
that
area.
Yeah
yeah
keep
zooming
in
a
little
more
a
little
more
a
little
more
a
little
more
okay.
So
basically,
what
we're
describing
is
a
railing
you're
detailing
as
a
privacy
screen,
and
the
questions
that
I
would
have
is
why.
Why
do
you
carry
the
cap
rail
across
leave
a
space
and
then
detail
the
privacy
screen
as
if
it
was
a
totally
independent
element?
F
Why
don't
you
get
rid
of
the
intermediate
rail
so
that
the
reading
of
the
two
foot
high
railing
does
not
carry
through
and
just
do
that
as
a
picketed,
a
picket
privacy
screen
with
a
cap,
rail
and
depending
on
how
you
detail
that
bottom
rail
to
support
it
or
the
pickets
going
directly
into
the
deck,
which
is
what
you
show
for
the
hand
railing?
I
think,
could
we
zoom
in
again
a
little
more
on
all
of
that.
F
Yeah,
it
would
seem
that
I
mean
we
don't
know
what
the
profiles
of
those
are.
So
we'll
give
you
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
and
assume
they're
square,
but
the
the
railing,
the
the
deck
railing
looks
like
they're,
let
directly
into
the
into
the
decking
as
a
detail,
somebody's
going
to
want
to
know
how
to
build
that.
But
then
the
privacy
screen
is
its
own
independent
unit.
Above
and
I'm
I
don't
know
any
you're
the
designer
I
I
just.
I
J
I
was
just
yeah
I
liked
carrying
the
the
rail
across.
I
F
G
I
I
E
Like
I
think,
I
think
we
should
just
evaluate
it
based
on
the
standards,
okay
and
and
move
from
that
I
mean,
in
my
opinion.
I
think
mr
lang
has
done
a
lot
of
changes
based
on
our
last
conversation,
I
think
he's
put
forth
a
very
a
much
better,
more
appropriate
design,
so
I
think
we
should
evaluate
it
based
on
the
standards
and
and
go
from
there.
E
A
Okay,
are
there
any
different
points?
F
A
H
Right,
let's
see
for
the
property
1206
hinman
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
case
number
21
prez-0012,
I
moved
to
issue
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
demolition,
alteration
and
construction.
H
Specifically,
the
applicant
proposes
to
demolish
the
existing
enclosed
front
and
side
porch
on
the
east
and
south
volumes
of
the
residents
construct,
an
open,
roofed
front
porch
and
covered
stair
portico
on
the
east
volume
of
the
residence
construct.
In
addition,
an
open
side
porch
on
the
south
volume
of
the
residence
and
enlarge
the
open,
roofed
porch
at
the
rear
volume
of
the
residence
additional
alterations
include
window
replacements
and
re-cladding.
The
home
and
hardy
board
lab
siding
previous
application
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
denied
and
the
applicant
has
since
modified
the
proposal.
H
G
K
G
A
F
I
A
G
C
Yeah,
I'm
here
hi
jeanne
petrick,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
is
someone
else
moving
the
screens
around
or
am
I
doing
that.
C
So
this
project
is
there's
an
existing
garage,
that's
to
be
demolished
and
we
are
hoping
to
replace
it
with
a
two-car
garage
and
a
dwelling
unit
above
as
known
as
the
coach
house
for
their
in-laws
and
kind
of
the
goal
was
to
keep
the
footprint
as
small
as
possible,
but
still
maintain
to
get
all
the
needs
that
they
you
know
are
that
want
in
the
dwelling
unit,
above,
which
also
would
include
a
lift
existing
house
is
around
1900,
I
believe
and
yeah
that's.
C
So
the
front
of
the
house
has
a
very
steep
pitch
and
we
tried
to
look
at
that
for
the
coach
house
to
mimic
that,
but
realizing
with
the
zoning
requirements
and
also
if
we
had
used
that
steep
pitch,
we
would
have
lost
some
square
footage
on
the
inside,
so
to
keep
it
more
efficient.
We
changed
the
pitch
of
the
roof
and
then
maintain
the
zoning
height
on
that
the
materials
that
we
used
were
all
in
reference
to
the
existing
residents,
so
the
shingles
were
hoping
to
stain
to
match
the
roof.
C
The
roof
line
on
the
existing
residence.
The
wood
siding
on
the
first
level
is
similar
to
the
existing
garage
and
we're
using
aluminum,
clad
windows
and
solid
wood
stain.
C
Okay,
so
the
west
elevation-
that's
well,
that's,
I
guess
that's
the
elevation.
I
would
consider
that
the
front
elevation
from
the
residence
view-
and
this
is
kind
of
driven-
it
was
a
little
challenging
to
get
a
good
balance
of
windows
and
door
entryway
because
of
what
their
needs
were.
They
wanted
this
door
to
go
into
the
garage,
and
this
area
is
where
the
stair
is.
This
is
a
kitchen
above
so
it
needed
a
higher
sill
than
the
bedroom.
What
that
needed.
C
C
This
one
is
a
side
elevation
and
this
has
an
entry
door
into
the
stairwell
that
would
go
up
to
the
living
area
above
that
is
a
little
typo
that
should
have
three
three
and
two
for
the
mullions
is
just
printed
wrong.
I
guess,
and
then
the
north
elevation
is
somewhat
similar
to
the
south
elevation
in
profile.
It
has
the
you
know.
Once
again,
the
windows
are
somewhat
just
for
use
versus
we
did.
I
did
try
to
align
the
these
windows.
C
C
And
then
the
east
elevation?
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
you
consider
that
the
front
elevation
or
not,
but
that's
the
alley
side
where
we
would
have
a
garage
door
to
serve
to
a
two-car
parking
space
with
lighting
on
each
side,
and
then
this
window
is
actually
centered
on
the
roof
line
and
the
width
of
the
windows.
I'm
sorry,
the
width
of
the
building
is
centered
within
it.
E
I
just
have
a
quick
question,
so
kate
there's
a
couple
pictures
in
there
in
the
alley
of
the
existing
conditions
flip
to
there's
one
showing
the
red
brick
this
one
right
here.
I
believe
your
elevation
is
it's
it's
hard
to
tell
where
the
top
of
the
gable
is
for
the
new
structure.
It's
at
18
feet
at
some
point,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
the
height
of
the
new
structure
and
how
it
relates
to
kind
of
these
photos
that
you've
added
in
in
regard
to
the
structures
around
in
the
alley.
C
So
the
green
garage
is
existing
garage
and
it
would
be
in
a
similar
location,
but
it
is,
you
know
you
can
imagine
to
go
a
little
bit
higher
and
then
the
roofline
would
go
back
here.
The
the
roof
slope
is
really
kind
of
reflective.
More
of
all
these
secondary
structures
that
are
on
this
west
side
of
the
alley
and
also
was
keeping
in
with
the
zoning
requirements.
C
C
E
Okay
and
then
kate,
if
you
go
to
the
next
picture
down
sorry,
obviously
this
the
structure
to
the
left
there.
I
think
it's
hard
to
see
on
your
on
your
picture,
but
that
one's
much
higher
right.
That's
obviously
like
a
multi-step.
C
Yeah,
that's,
I
think
I
believe
it's
owned
by
northwestern,
but
it's
a
it's
a
residence
that
faces
noyes
street.
C
E
F
I
think
it's
a
nice
job.
Let
me
give
this
a
try
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
2243
orrington
21
press
001,
a
certificate
of
appropriatist
be
granted
to
demolish
an
existing
detached
alley,
accessible
garage
and
construct
a
two-story
detached
accessory
dwelling
unit
with
the
first
floor
garage
section,
four
living
space
in
the
northeast
historic
district
in
r1,
single-family,
residential
zoning
district
meeting,
the
applicable
standards
for
construction,
one
through
five,
seven,
eight
and
ten
through
16
and
demolition.
One
through
six.
A
I'm
sorry
it's
yeah.
I
can't
see
all
the
people
at
once
so
elliot.
Did
you
second
it?
Okay.
Thank
you.
Okay,
we'll
call
vote.
Commissioner
morris.
C
A
A
Okay,
so
I
guess
we
could
move.
Were
there
any
comments
received
on
the
minutes.
B
A
All
right
should
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
Then.
F
Go
ahead.
Go
ahead,
I
was
gonna
say
I
moved
to.
I
accept
the
minutes
with
commissioner
reinhold's
correct
minor
corrections.
Hi.
E
A
Okay,
so
kate,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
pull
off
the
the
packet
from
this
screen.
L
L
A
A
A
You
all
right,
so
I
think
the
only
other
item
I
had
was
to
discuss
having
a
retreat
in
in
two
or
three
months,
and
I
guess
kade
you
you
had.
I
mean
we
had
a
kind
of
discussion
on
windows
and
policy
issues
last
year
and
I
think
you
know
kate
had
the
idea
that
we
could
have
an
outside
speaker
or
two.
A
It
actually
would
be
easier
to
have
a
speaker
on
zoom
really,
since
they
wouldn't
have
to
travel.
We
could
have
somebody
from
anywhere.
I
don't
recall
if
you
had
specific
ideas
on.
B
I
think
it
just
depends
what
topics
you're
interested
in,
but
I
certainly
worked
with
a
lot
of
preservation,
architects
and
preservation
planners
that
I'm
sure
would
be
willing
to
to
jump
on
a
call.
E
Obviously,
architects
lean
towards
that
for
the
thermal
properties
and
and
the
energy,
and
if
evanston
is
gonna,
if
we
really
want
to
do
the
sustainable
blend
with
preservation,
how
do
we
do
that
similar
to
the
solar
panels?
How
do
we
do
that
with
windows,
while
maintaining
historic,
you
know
in
the
past,
we
all
obviously
always
go
to
aluminum
wood
clad,
but
I
assume
times
will
change
eventually
it's
just
when
that
happens,
and
where
are
we
in
that
movement
forward?.
F
Well,
do
we
want
somebody
to
talk
specifically
about
windows
because
susie,
I
think
what
you
bring
up
is
really
interesting,
because
some
of
the
major
window
manufacturers
have
worked
very
hard
to
produce
profiles,
whether
they're
in
extruded,
aluminum
or
wood,
wood
that
look
like
the
old
7
8
inch,
traditional
muttons,
that
includes
the
development
of
simulated,
divided
lights
for
thermo
pain
windows,
which
initially
the
commission,
I
think,
was
not
accepting
and
then
decided
they
would
accept.
F
You
know
my
personal
feeling
about
all
of
this
is
that
I
don't
my
biggest
objection
to
air
sets.
Materials
is
when
you
can
tell
that
their
air
sets
materials.
You
know.
If,
if
you
don't,
you
know
it,
if
you
don't
know
what
that
you're,
what
you're
looking
at
is
not
the
real
thing.
E
Yeah,
I
think,
for
the
retreat-
and
we
obviously
talked
about
this
on
the
previous
kind
of
agenda.
We
just
weren't
able
to
do
it
because
of
the
zoom,
but
I
think
if
we
can
have
some
sort
of
almost
like
a
flowchart
of
when
we
have
these
conditions,
it's
acceptable,
or
at
least
we
can
consider
these
materials.
E
So
I
would
like
to
put
together
if
we
could
put
together
almost
like
a
one
piece
of
paper
that
kind
of
gives
us
as
commissioners
a
little
bit
more
information
of
what
questions
to
ask
when
these
things
are
appropriate.
When
they're
not
it
will
just
help
us
navigate
these
waters
moving
forward.
So
we
don't
set
precedents
that
are
gonna
kind
of
come
back
to
haunt
us.
So
I
agree
with
you
stuart.
I
think
we
should
see
it
from
both
angles.
E
I
think
we
should
see
it
from
a
preservationist's
angle
and
what
their
thoughts
are
on
it,
and
I
think
we
should
see
it
from
the
contractor
in
the
manufacturer's
angle
and
what
they
have
to
provide
and
how
they're
trying
to
tackle
it
and
make
it
look
similar.
And
then
we
as
a
commission,
can
kind
of
come
together
and
find
out
when
these
things
are
appropriate.
When
they're
not.
F
F
F
So
the
whole
question
of
of
you
know
when
you
restore
and
when
you
replace-
and
I
think
that's
particularly
important
with
respect
to
windows
and
and
the
you
know-
in
the
appearance
of
windows
and
the
energy
performance
of
windows.
It
also
applies
to
other
kinds
of
materials
like
aluminum,
siding,
vinyl,
siding
and
hardy
board,
which
are
now
appearing
in
great
abundance
on
the
exteriors
of
houses,
because
they're
presented
for
the
most
part
as
maintenance-free
materials
as
compared
to
traditional
wood,
siding.
A
It'd
be
great
if
we
could
find
somebody
with
with
expertise.
I
think
we
talked
about
this
on
our
own
last
year
and
when
we
did
so,
I
know
I
I
did
some
research
on
what
was
out
there
like
the
national
park.
You
know
park
service
site
and
others
really
still
go
with
the
kind
of
traditional
approach
we've
already
applied,
and
I
found
a
bunch
of
articles,
all
of
which
you
know
pretty
much
rejected.
A
A
There
was
I
lost
if
you
noticed
in
the
national
press.
Last
week
there
was
an
article
on
the
astoria
oregon
preservation.
Commission
was
sued
for
rejecting
a
fibrex
window
product,
it's
a
nationwide
issue,
and
I
I
don't
think
the
traditional
wisdom
of
like
you
know
national
park
service
or
you
know
other
traditional
sources
has
changed
at
all.
Did
you.
E
Great,
I
mean
we're
going
to
get
more
pressure
from
the
contractors
and
the
manufacturer,
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
very
well
thought
out
map
of
how
we
do
it
and
when
we
do
it
and
because
I
think
all
of
us
have
been
in
that
position
where
we're
like
well
this,
this
one
might
be
okay,
this
one
might
not,
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
kind
of
come
to
some
sort
of
unanimous
consistency
of
how
we
handle
it.
I
think.
I
A
I
Think
that,
for
some
reason,
aluminum
got
accepted
a
long
time
ago
and
not
even
aluminum
clad.
But
I
have
no
idea
that
that
precedes
my
time
on
the
commission,
and
so
I
have
no
idea
why
I
mean
maybe
carlos
would
have
known,
but
I've
never
seen
it
documented
as
to
when
aluminum
became
acceptable,
and
then
it's
always
been
that
somehow
vinyl
was
bad
and
that
made
vinyl
clad
bad,
but
not
aluminum-clad.
F
I
think
that
one
of
the
object,
one
of
the
objections
to
vinyl,
is
because
of
its
material
properties,
is
that
you
needed
a
much
bulkier
beefier
cross
section
to
hold
a
piece
of
thermapen
in
place
than
you
did
with
the
other
window.
Other
materials
windows
were
being
manufactured
out
of
oh,
but.
F
You
can't
7
8
inch.
Mountain
won't,
won't
take
the
wind
load
well,.
F
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
but
I
mean
I
think
I
think,
they're
interesting
issues
for
for
a
lot
of
these
things,
everybody's
starting
to
look
like
they're
bored
and
going
to
sleep.
So
maybe
we
should
wrap
this
up,
but
you
know
in
in
40
years
we
did
one
project
with
aluminum
siding
where
the
owner
absolutely
insisted-
and
I
said
okay,
I
will
do
aluminum
siding,
but
I
will
not
use
any
of
the
aluminum
soffitting
or
trim
pieces
because
they
are
just
ugly
and
inappropriate.
F
So
what
we
did
for
this
woman
was
to
side
her
house
in
aluminum,
but
to
do
all
of
the
moldings
and
window
surrounds
and
corner
boards.
Well,
corner
boards
you
can
get
are
okay
and
hardy
board,
but
nobody
makes
profiled
pieces
like
you
would
have
found
on
a
historic
house
and
that's
one
of
the
dilemmas
with
vinyl
and
with
aluminum
siding
as
opposed
to
the
siding
itself.
F
A
F
I
think
one
of
the
problems
that
I
found
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
speakers,
but
they
tend
to
be
industry.
The
expertise
tends
to
be
industry
representatives,
so
you
could
certainly
get
somebody
from
the
james
hardy
company
to
come
and
talk,
but
they
would
be
telling
you
basically
about
how
wonderful
their
product
was.
Yes,.
A
I
think
we've
actually
got
those
people,
I
mean
for
the
the
renewal
by
anderson.
We've
had
their.
You
know:
local
sales,
rep
and
stuff
talk
to
us.
I
think
we're
talking
about
is
preservationists.
Who
can
speak
to
how
preservation
preservation
commissions
are
struggling
with
these
issues?
You
know
statewide
or
whatever.
H
H
H
One
of
the
cases
early
on
over
maybe
over
a
year
ago
and
the
woman
wanted
to
replace
her
windows
because
it
was
too
costly
to
remove
all
the
lead
yeah.
They
were
led
painted
windows
and
so
and
we
denied
it-
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
or
like
all
these
options,
and
it
just
wasn't
the
opportunity
to,
and
just
you
know
as
a
part
of
this,
then
with
the
discussion
about
the
windows
and
what
are
the
other
options.
I
won't
go
into
my
whole
thing
about
stained
glass.
G
Time
but
protective.
B
And
we
have,
we
have
three
educational
pieces
that
I
put
together
that
I
don't
know
if
carlos
shared
with
you
one
is
on
window
replacement
when
it's
appropriate
when
it's
not
one's
on
vinyl
and
one's
on
aluminum
siding.
B
I
think
the
best
location
that
I've
seen
that
addresses
all
these
issues
is
the
city
of
san
antonio,
and
I
know
the
hpo
there
pretty
well,
and
I
imagine
she'd
be
willing
to
to
speak
to
you.
E
Yeah
can
can
I
throw
another
thing
on
there
just
for
consideration
for
the
retreat
agenda.
I
think
we
might
want
to
get
in
front
of
these
80.
You,
like
proposals,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
those
coming
in
and
I
think
all
of
us,
the
height
standard,
is
going
to.
E
Kind
of
keep
coming
around
and
I
have
a
feeling
it
might
there
be
a
lot
of
public
comment
and
possibility
for
those.
So
I
think
if
we
can
do
a
retreat
to
also
get
in
front
of
that
and
find
out
how
we
want
to
go
about
to
evaluate
those.
Obviously
we
use
the
standards,
but
you
know
everything
is
going
to
go
a
little
bit
taller
now
that
this
has
become
an
option,
so
we
might
want
to
just
have
a
very
quick
chat
as
a
commission
on
how
that's
going
to
affect
our
applications.
Moving
forward.
H
B
It
comes
with
four,
so
they're
required
to
get
zoning
approval
before
they
can
sit
in
front
of
the
commission.
Okay,.
B
H
You
know
like,
like
the
like:
the
setback
from
the
property
line
and
that
kind
of
stuff-
that's
already
been
officially
reviewed
by
the
zoning
before
it
even
comes
to
us
correct.
F
I
I
like
the
original
suggestion,
which
is
very
different
from
what
we're
talking
about
now
and,
and
I
think
what
kate
has
suggested
in
terms
of
speakers
and
what
they
might
address.
It
sounds
good
to
me,
but
the
idea
that,
ultimately,
we
work
towards
writing
or
establishing
guidelines
for
some
of
the
situations
that
come
before
us,
frequently
like
window
window
replacement
choices
of
siding
and
other
kinds
of
exterior
claddings
and
materials,
and
that
in
that
way
the
commission
actually
has
a
position
with
respect
to
approving
or
disproving
things
that
are
proposed
to
it.
K
To
to
what
extent
can
we
because
I
know
sometimes
people
come
and
you
know
it
might
be
kind
of
a
gray
area
in
terms
of
whether
by
the
standards
we
can
approve
it,
but
by
in
terms
of
our
knowledge
and
the
choice
that
they're
making
and
the
longevity
or
the
energy
efficiency
or
whatever
it's.
You
know,
it's
not
a
great
choice,
and
I
know
we
can't
chime
in
technically
on
that.
But
we
do
when
we're
making
these
types
of
guidelines.
K
K
You
know,
as
you
know,
for
all
of
our
energy
efficiency
goals
in
the
city
and
sustainability
and
whatever
that
a
nod
to
everything
that
the
city
is
trying
to
do
it
and
showing
how
we're
making
these
suggestions
and
recommendations,
not
only
are
they
appropriate
from
a
historic
perspective,
but
they're
also
helping
the
city
maintain
their.
You
know,
reach
their
goals,
other
goals
of
the
city,
whether
it
be
adus
or
energy
efficiency
or
whatever.
K
A
Okay,
do
you
want
to
circulate?
I
think
you
just
sent
me
the
memo
on
replacement
of
restoration
of
wood
windows,
because
I
think
that
was
exactly
along
the
lines
of
what
everybody's
asking
about
about.
Why
that's
a
good
thing
and
why
it's
the
first
choice
and
why
it's
more
sustainable,
ultimately
to
do
it
I
mean,
unfortunately,
that's
generally
not
the
issue
that
comes
before
us.
A
It's
generally,
people
wanting
to
use
fibrex
is
the
big
one,
but
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
memo
and
it
will
you
know
it's
a
good
example
of
a
kind
of
policy.
Explanation
and
a
you
know,
explain
you
know
yeah.
B
I'll
share
it,
it
has
been
somewhat
successful.
So
if
someone
applies
for
window
replacement
or
show
some
interest
I'll
send
that
to
them,
and
we've
had
a
handful
of
properties
that
we're
going
to
replace
that
ended
up,
restoring
one
that
was
quite
significant
about
40
windows
that
they
restored
yeah.
Instead
of
replaced.
A
Right
so
did
anybody
have
any
other
contacts
with,
like
you
know,
illinois
or
any
other
not-for-profits
just
to
kind
of
reach
out
and
ask
what
type
of
speakers
they
might
have
available.
H
The
national
center
for
preservation
technology
down
in
down
in
louisiana
I'm
sure
they.
F
One
of
the
things
about
getting
people
from
other
regions
is,
I
think,
preservation
in
san
antonio
and
some
of
the
choices
you
would
make
in
temperate
or
other
kinds
of
climates
are
very
different,
particularly
with
the
issue
of
heat
loss
and
air
infiltration
on
on
historic
windows.
I
H
B
Don't
know
if
it
would
be
helpful,
but
at
my
previous
job
I
might
be
able
to
bring
in
my
old
boss.
We
went
around
the
country.
Basically,
writing
design
guidelines
for
preservation
commissions,
illustrated
guidelines-
are
really
kind
of
the
norm
now
that
maybe
he
could
come
in
and
speak
to
how
to
do
that
and
what
the
value
is.
E
A
But
two
years
ago
we
had
boot
camp
put
on
by
that
was
a
national
alliance
of
preservation
commissions
that
I
think
carlos
had
good
contacts
with.
E
A
A
A
All
right,
so
if
anybody
else
has
any
ideas,
let's
get
into
arcade
and
maybe
the
next
meeting
we
can
maybe
have
already
reached
out
and
gotten
some
preliminary
feels
from
speakers
and
try
to
sharpen
it
up.
But.
H
H
I'm
just
curious,
as
with
all
the
snow
around,
has
anyone
been
hearing
about
any
roof
cave-ins,
I'm
just
kind.
B
F
Oh
yeah,
well,
you
know
we're
gonna
get
pushed
into
the
corner
on
a
lot
of
issues
and
sadly
it's
just
more
expensive
to
own
and
maintain
a
landmark
structure,
and
you
know
I
mean
what
do
you?
What
do
you
do
when
you've
got
people
coming
to
you
who
want
to
pull
out
original
stained
glass
windows
and
replace
them
with
you
know
kind
of
airsoft
plastic
saints.
F
I
A
We
probably
better
not
put
the
discussion
on
the
record
publicly.
Would
anybody.