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A
Welcome
to
the
november
10
2020
meeting
of
the
evanston
preservation
commission,
we
have
a
quorum
of
seven
members
and
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
before
starting.
We
have
to
move
to
suspend
the
rules
to
be
able
to
hold
the
meeting
electronically.
B
I
move
that
we
suspend
the
rules
and
and
continue
the
meeting
electronically.
A
And
a
second
second,
okay,
we'll
give
elliot
that
all
the
ties
in
light
of
the
it's
this
last
meeting.
So
we
need
an.
A
D
A
A
Not
fully
on
the
meeting
yet
and
then
jamie
wasn't
on
right,
okay,
so
the
motion
passed
seven,
two
zero.
So
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
attended
our
meetings
before.
A
As
to
each
matter
of
business,
the
applicant
will
be
given
an
opportunity
to
present
their
application.
Please
do
a
you
know.
You
don't
have
to
go
through
necessarily
everything
in
your
packet,
but
we
do
count
on
you
to
do
a
full
explanation
of
your
project
and
why
you
should
think
it
should
be
approved.
A
We'll
then,
have
questions
and
discussion
by
commissioners
and
any
word
from
members
of
the
public
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
we'd
ask
for
each
person
who
comes
to
speak,
that
they
identify
themselves
and
what
their
role
is.
You
know
the
sessions
are
recorded
into
the
recording.
A
And
if
you
could,
everybody
could
mute
their
microphones
when
they're,
not
speaking.
Thank
you.
A
A
F
I'm
gus
grantalek,
I
am
the
owner
of
1314
judson,
I'm
here
with
kristen,
my
wife,
the
other
owner
of
1314
judson
and
our
children,
who
will
be
coming
in
and
out
of
the
session
throughout
the
throughout
the
session.
F
We've
got
three
of
them,
so
this
is
actually,
if
you
recall,
a
repeat
of,
I
think
where
we
were
memory
serves
me
in
october,
you,
I
think
the
group
had
asked
for
a
revision,
a
pretty
substantial
revision
to
the
initial
dormer
project,
so
we
went
back
to
the
the
drawing
board
so
to
speak,
to
redesign
or
reimagine
based
on.
I
think
the
feedback
we
got
from
you
and
conversations
with
carlos
et
cetera.
F
The
footprint
of
the
garage
does
not
change.
It
still
remains
as
it
was,
but
what
we
did
was
we
aimed
to
reduce
the
size
of
those
dormers.
I
think,
in
line
with
the
feedback
we
got
pretty
clearly
and
then
keeping
that
roof
pitch
similar
to
what
it
had
been
or
what
it
is
today.
F
So
right
here
on
page
11,
you
see
the
existing
east
elevation
on
the
bottom,
so
that
that
larger
dormer
structure,
which
was
a
little
bit
more
similar
to
what
we
had
initially
envisioned.
This
is
a
sort
of
I
think
we
call
them
like
dog
dog
house
dormers,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
we
envision
raising
the
the
wall
to
make
it
work
internally
to
make
the
structure
inhabitable
so
to
speak,
or
you
can
walk
around
back
there.
F
That's
the
east
elevation
west
elevation,
obviously,
on
the
top
pretty
similar
a
couple.
Other
significant
changes,
the
door.
Obviously
the
door
right
now
actually
is
is
is
not
a
door.
It's
wood,
the
two,
the
two
pan,
the
two
garage
door
is
just
wood
paneling
right
now,
because
it
broke
off
the
barn
door.
F
On
the
left
side,
is
we
envisioned
replacing
with
a
functional
garage
door
right
now,
it's
sort
of
an
old
wood
door,
and
then
we
wanted
to
replace
the
door
on
the
on
the
back,
which
is
actually
it's
technically
a.
I
think
I
don't
know
if
it's
steel
clad
door,
it's
not
it's
not
a
wood
door.
It's
like
wood
and
steel
sort
of
veneered,
or
something
like
this,
replacing
that
door
and
moving
it
around
the
corner
to
make
it
a
more
functional
space.
F
So
that's
the
west
elevation
this
north
elevation,
that's
where
that
door
is
so
we're
moving
the
door
over
a
little
bit
and
you
can
see
how
the
dorman
structure
looks.
Pre
and
post
the
the
windows
actually
are
vinyl.
I
think
the
description
said
they
were.
They
were
wood,
but
they're
vinyl
on
the
front
and
the
sides
and
the
rear.
Actually
so
there's
kind
of
a
hodgepodge
of
what's
going
on
here.
I
think
it's
obviously
been
renovated
or
put
together
a
couple
different
times.
F
That's
the
north
elevation
and
then
the
south
elevation
similar
situation
going
on
if
you
go
to
slide
15.
F
So
this
is
how
we
envision
it.
Looking
relative
to
our
our
neighbor
actually
similar,
they
don't
have
the
dormer
structure
in
the
same
way,
but
similar
in
sort
of
heightened
scale
to
what
our
my
next
door
neighbor
has.
F
This
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
that
would
look
like
and
then,
if
you
go
to
16
it's
just
this
is
an
interior
view.
I
technically
I
don't
think
you
can
see
this
from
the
you
can't
see
this
from
the
I
guess
the
right
of
way
or
the
the
alleys
or
the
street,
but
this
is
that
view,
and
I'm
not
sure
these
are
you.
F
I
think
there
was
a
quest
to
add
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
the
house,
so
I
added
a
third
picture
in
here
there's
from
the
from
the
back,
so
there's
not
a
lot
to
see
sort
of
at
that
grade
level.
In
the
front
I
took
a
couple
different
aspects,
so
people
can
see
what's
what's
happening
or
how
the
house
is
put.
F
Together,
this
is
just
a
little
bit
of
understanding
of
the
doors
we
would
envision
putting
in
a
aluminum
clad
window
to
into
the
space
and
then
the
door.
Obviously
a
lot
of
different
options.
I'm
sure
you're
you're
very
versed
in
all
this,
but
what
we
tried
to
do
is
actually
match
our
neighbors
on
both
sides
and
they
had
the
this
long
panel
design.
So
we
felt
pretty
comfortable
that
that
kind
of
fit
within
what
was
being
built
around.
A
Okay,
questions
from
commissioners.
C
First,
one
is:
is
that
slope
that
you're
using
for
the
garage
and
the
dormers?
Is
that
the
same
as
the
one
that
we
see
on
the
house?
C
F
As
I
recall,
we're
trying
to
keep
there's
a
slope
right
now,
I
think
it's
a
2
and
12..
It
might
be
a
little
less
than
that,
but
I
but
it
it
mirrors.
What
is
there
today
and
I
think
it
mirrors
what's
on
on
the
house.
C
F
It's
pretty
peaked,
I
mean
yeah,
I
I
think
yeah.
I
don't
know.
C
And
the
other
question
I
have
is
you
have
that
little
overhang
sort
of
a
little
roof
over
the
larger
of
the
two
garage
doors?
C
F
Yeah,
it's
raised,
it
was
it's
it's
br,
it
comes
out,
I
don't
call
it
six
or
eight
eight
inches
or
something
like
this.
It's
built
out
and
you
can
see,
I
think,
in
the
picture.
B
C
C
F
F
A
G
I
I'd
just
say
thank
you
to
the
applicant.
I
think
he
took
our
comments
on
the
original
version
to
heart
and
the
new
design
is
greatly
improved.
A
Yeah,
okay,
all
right,
you
know
I
I'll
I'll
apologize.
I
can't
see
I
mean
with
the
presentations
taking
up
most
of
the
screen.
I
can
only
see
a
few
of
the
commissioners
at
a
time,
and
so
I
I
won't
be
able
to
see
if
you're
raising
your
hand
you'll
have
to
speak
out.
Would
somebody
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
this
matter.
H
A
Second,
second,
second:
okay,
we'll
take
a
commissioner
by
commissioner
about
commissioner
sullivan
aye,
richard
bowden
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye,
commissioner
hacker
aye,
commissioner
aye,
commissioner
idol
hi,
I'm
an
I
and
is
commissioner
schmidt.
Now
on.
A
No
okay,
all
right,
so
the
matter
passes.
That's
seven
votes
to
none
all
right
so
that
the
next
matter
of.
Thank
you,
sir
thanks
for
good
thank.
I
A
Presentation,
1735
asbury
avenue
so
that's
to
be
continued-
is
that
the
status
just
yes
correct.
Okay
to
our
next
meeting,
then
pardon.
A
Okay,
thanks
all.
K
Right,
yes,
mr
chairman,
35
hasn't
continued
to
the
december
8th
meeting.
J
I
move
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
continue
1735
asbury
avenue
to
the
december
8th
meeting.
A
H
A
Second,
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
sullivan
aye.
Commissioner
bowden
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye.
Mr
hacker
aye,
mr
dudnik.
C
A
Commissioner
hi
commissioner
schmidt
hi,
and
I'm
right
so
all
in
favor
all
right.
Thank
you.
2404
ridge
is
also
to
be
continued
just
to
confirm
carlos
that's
correct.
K
C
I
will
make
the
motion.
May
I
ask
a
question
before
I
make
a
promotion
sure
in
reading
a
summary
of
yesterday's
city
council
meeting
this
not
quite
this
site,
but
the
adjoining
property
came
up
as
part
of
a
subdivision,
and
there
was
a
comment
made
about
the
preservation
commission,
having
approved
that
subdivision
at
least
prior
to
it,
going
to
wherever
it
went
on,
and
I
did
not
recall
that
we
had
ever
dealt
with
that
subdivision
in
a
positive
manner.
A
C
C
All
right,
I
I
make
the
motion
that
the
public
hearing
for
case
20,
pres
0308
economic
hardship,
be
continued
to
the
meeting
of
december
8th
2020..
A
Second,
commissioner
sullivan
second
we're
all
called
commissioner
sullivan
aye.
Commissioner
bowden
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
mr
hacker
aye,
commissioner
dutnick
aye,
commissioner
idal
aye,
commissioner
schmidt
aye
and
commissioner
simons,
and
I.
L
L
L
This
is
the
existing
garage.
These
are
the
two
shots
looking
from
the
west
are
looking
to
the
west.
I'm
sorry!
Yes,
this
is
a
sears
kit
garage.
L
I
think
you'll
recognize
it
if
you're
familiar
with
sears
kid
garages
in
the
interest
of
preservation,
I
have
to
point
out
that
there
are
two
nearly
identical,
sears
kit
garages
just
across
the
alley
from
this
one.
However,
they
are
in
much
better
shape
than
this
one.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
set
of
photos,
you'll
see
one
of
the
issues
with
this
garage
again
built
in
1927
was
it's.
It's
been
severely
impacted
by
animals
burrowing
under
the
concrete
foundation,
which
has
caused
at
least
a
couple
of
spots
of
collapse.
L
It's
currently
being
held
up
by
jacks
and
posts
inside,
and
I
guess
the
pictures
speak
for
themselves.
L
So
our
desire
is
to
build
a
slightly
larger
garage
23
feet
square.
L
You
saw
in
the
previous
photo
the
fact
that
there
was
a
large
tree,
a
large
maple
tree,
impinging
on
the
edge
of
the
front
gable
of
the
existing
garage.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen
again,
so
we're
planning
to
site
the
new
garage
more
in
the
center
of
the
property
in
between
that
tree
and
another
equally
large
tree,
which
is
towards
the
south
side
of
the
back
there.
So
there's
just
there's
just
enough
space
given
that
garage
size
to
accomplish
that.
L
The
one
thing
to
point
out
is
I
didn't
want,
or
we
didn't
want
that
excessively
high,
a
garage
to
make
it
more
coach
house
like
so
I
asked
paul
ginnicky
to
to
build
something
comparable
to
what
we
had
a
little
bit
lower
in
elevation
and
the
two
garages
that
you
approved.
Just
to
the
two
properties
to
the
north,
the
resulting
height
to
the
peak
is
15
feet,
11
inches,
which,
where
the
roof
pitch
matches
the
roof
pitch
of
the
rear.
L
Second
story
of
the
house.
The
other
salient
feature
is
on
the
south
side,
a
clara
storied
windowed
dormer
wanted
to
keep
the
south
wall
elevation.
L
Sort
of
more
more
free
without
windows-
and
I
didn't
have-
we
didn't-
have
the
need
for
an
excessive
amount
of
storage
space
up
up
on
the
upper
part
of
the
garage.
So
I
asked
whether
we
could
install
a
clear
storage
window
dormer
up
there,
so
that
light
from
it
light
from
those
windows
would
fall
to
the
interior
of
the
garage
on
the
south
side
to
give
a
good
good
natural
lighting
from
the
outside.
L
So
that
part
will
remain
open
in
terms
of
just
the
just
the
rafters
and
supporting
joists,
so
that
the
light
can
fall
into
the
interior.
I
will
have
some
storage
space
on
the
north
side,
where
we
can
use
the
second
upper
part
for
minimal
amount
of
storage.
L
L
Okay,
I
guess
that's
it
for
the
elevations.
The
next
couple
of
next
couple
of
figures
show
the
3d
portrait.
This
is
the
this
is
the
3d
realization
from
the
from
the
west.
That
shows
the
relative
proportion
of
the
claristory
windows
and
yeah
the
roof
pitches
and
so
forth.
L
I
asked
paul
janicki
to
develop
these
drawings
with
a
we're
going
to
use
wood
wood
to
enable
the
three-inch
siding
reveal.
The
reason
for
that
is,
I
wanted
to
match
the
house
in
in
that.
If
you
may
remember
the
previous
photo
of
the
house,
the
house
is
currently
since
the
1960s
covered
up
with
six
inch
reveal
aluminum
siding,
but
the
porch,
the
aluminum
siding,
was
removed
by
the
previous
owner
on
the
porch,
showing
the
fact
that
there's
at
least
on
the
porch
there's,
a
pretty
good
condition.
Clapboard
with
near
three
inch
reveal.
L
So
this
may
involve
coming
back
to
you,
because
I
do
have
an
insurance
claim
which
allows
me
to
redo
the
aluminum
siding
similar
to
my
neighbor
up
the
street,
who
came
before
you
with
the
same
request
a
couple
of
months
ago.
L
I
realized
the
circumstance
is
such
that
first,
we
have
to
take
a
look
underneath
the
existing
aluminum
siding
the
house
to
see
what's
underneath
there
and
what
condition
it's
in
I'd
like
to
see.
If
we
could
do
what
he
was
possibly
proposing,
which
is
to
restore
the
existing
clapboards,
so
I
didn't
want
to
have
anything.
L
L
Plus
I
tend
to
favor
narrower
reveals
myself
rather
than
many.
I
typically
see.
The
only
other
thing
here
is
up
in
the
upper
right
hand
corner
you
of
this.
You
see
the
proposed
garage
door,
that's
the
exact
one
we're
trying
to
get
so.
I
think
that's
in
pretty
much
in
concert
with
what
paul
janicki's
drawing
showed.
L
B
I
just
want
to
hey.
This
is
just
thinking
this
isn't
really
a
comment
on
the
garage
which
is
real,
I
think,
is
really
nice.
It's
just.
If
you
end
up
replacing
the
siding
on
the
house,
and
this
commission
has
approved
hardy
board
just
you
know,
you
don't
have
to
paint
it
if
that
comes
up.
B
I
think
we've
discussed
here
that
it
doesn't
come
in
three
and
she
comes
in
four
inch,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
was
on
the
table
for
you
to
think
about,
or
if
you
think
that
you
would
just
replace
your
house
with.
You
know,
wood
cladberg,
and
that
was
not
in
it
didn't
come
up.
L
Yes,
I
yes,
I'm
very
much
aware
of
all
of
that,
because
I
very
carefully
listened
to
your
discussion
with
my
neighbor
of
the
block
alan
who
was
in
a
similar
situation
with
his
aluminum
sighting,
and
I
recall
the
conversation
about
the
the
planking
and
the
hardy
board
and
so
forth,
and
I
know
that
I
couldn't
get
down
to
okay,
two
and
three
quarter
or
three
inch
reveal.
L
C
L
Separations,
I
I
want
to
keep
three
as
is
shown
there,
but
I
would
probably
use
the
marvin
feature
of
having
the
interior
glass
subdivided.
What
would
you
call
that
in
the
application,
simulated
dividers
simulated,
divided
lights?
That's
what
I
think,
what
we
were
shooting
for.
C
It's
just
that
when
you
look
at
the
size
of
the
of
the
glass
and
you
look
at
that
window,
I
mean
it's,
you
know
and
then
there's
all
these
muttons
in
there.
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
all
going
to
be
quite
as
delicate
as
it
looks
in
that
drawing
I'm
not
sure.
By
the
time
you
actually
put
a
real
window
in
there
and
get
it
up
off
the
roof.
I
have
a
feeling
it's
going
to
be
a
very
narrow
slit.
L
L
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
remember
what
the
exact
window
pane
height
is,
but
I
know
we
looked
at
what
was
available
and
we'd
be
able
to
come
up.
D
C
C
L
L
Oh
well
again,
oh
I
see
even
if
it's
simulated,
divided
lights
with
the
with
the
divisions
inside
yeah,
okay
I'll,
have
to
revisit
that
in
my
mind
and
see
what
the
actual
products
present
to
me.
When
I
look
at
them
head-on.
This
is
sort
of
looking
at
it
from
the
side,
but
I
I
really
didn't
study
that
in
great
detail
what
the
relative,
what
the
relative
size
of
the
simulated
muttons
was
that
it
came
in
it
might
be.
That
would
just
divide
it
into
three
verticals
like
he
shows
here.
A
All
right
any
other
discussion.
B
Will,
oh
okay,
I
make
a
motion
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
a
1033
hinman
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
case
number
20
prez-0307
for
the
demolition
of
an
existing
garage
and
the
construction
of
a
23
by
23
two-car
detached
garage
with
the
gable
roof,
clear
story
window
dormer
with
asphalt,
shingle
matching
the
house
and
wood
siding,
which
I
think
is
three
inches.
Is
that
what
we
just
said?
That's
right
and
the
applicable
standards
are
for
construction,
one
through
five,
seven,
eight
and
10
15
and
demolition.
B
C
A
Commissioner
rock
call
vote,
commissioner
sullivan.
D
C
M
My
name
is
victor
smallick,
yes,
I'm
a
contractor.
Since
2003
I
was
actually
a
very
good
friend
with
mr
hecky
powell
and
we
lost
him
this
year.
M
M
We
have
aluminum
that
which
actually
did
get
damaged
due
to
the
weather
event
and
insurance
companies
paying
us
to
replace
the
siding,
aluminum
siding
with
something
similar,
they're,
actually
paying
us
with
aluminum
to
replace
with
the
aluminum.
But
the
problem
is
that
the
siding
aluminum
is
not
available
on
the
market
anymore.
It's
just
that
this
is
discontinued,
so
we
came
back
with
the
idea
of
putting
something
better.
M
You
let
you
know
what
let
me
just
start
over.
As
you
see
on
the
pictures,
the
sign
in
the
original
sighting.
It's
a
really
bad
shape,
it's
not
rotten,
but
it's.
It
was
painted,
probably
multiple
times
and
an
existing
wood
siding
was
covered
up
with
aluminum
siding,
so
there's
a
nail
holes
all
over.
M
So
our
idea
is
just
to
put
the
insulation,
remove
the
aluminum
siding
as
well
put
insulation
fan
fold
insulation
over
the
wood,
existing
wood,
siding
and
nail
down
the
hardy
board,
which
is
which
is
a
concrete
siding,
so
we
actually
as
you're
looking
at
the
pictures.
There's
a
there's,
a
beautiful
frame
for
the
windows,
beautiful
accents,
we're
not
going
to
change
any
of
that.
We
actually
we're
going
to
save
all
of
it,
so
we're
replacing
the
gutters
the
existing
aluminum
signing
for
hardy
board.
M
There
was
a
couple
proposals
because
we
can
do
four
inch
exposure.
We
can
do
five
engine
exposure
and
we
can
do
six
inch
exposure.
M
Existing
roof
is
actually
third
architectural
shingles,
which
we
do,
which
we
are
going
to
replace
with
exactly
the
same,
but
again
we're
deciding
the
signing
aluminum
signing
it's,
not
it's
no
longer
available
on
the
market
and
we
are
planning
to
it's
gonna,
look
exactly
the
same
as
that
one,
but
I
would
like
to
ask
you
for
advice:
what
kind
of
exposure
should
we
use
to
keep
that
house
the
beautiful
way
that
it
is
right
now,
so
it
could
be
from
four
inch
to
five
to
six
to
six
inches.
M
So
one
more
time
the
the
dwelling,
which
is
the
main
house,
got
approved
for
siding
replacement
and
the
garages
as
well
the
garages.
You
see
right
now
on
the
picture
that
someone's
sliding
that
has
regular
corners,
which
we
do
prefer
better
even
for
a
hardy
board,
because
it's
it's
just
more
weather
tight
instead
having
a
clothing
corners
like
the.
How
is
it
showing
and
we
can
keep
the
same
color
we
can
keep,
keep
it
white
one
more
time.
M
We're
gonna
we're
gonna,
try
to
save
the
shutters,
because
they're
kind
of
like
really
custom
made
and
beautiful.
If
you
can
go
up
on
the
pictures
on
the
very
first
pictures,
you
can
see
the
shadows
on
the
house,
I'm
not
sure
what
condition
they
are,
but
I
do
have
a
really
good
carpenters,
so
we
can
be.
We
will
be
able
to
save
them.
So
anything
you
see
as
a
sappet
or
fascia.
Everything
is
wood.
It's
not
going
to
be
touched.
M
M
M
What's
outside,
because
when
you
see
we
bent,
we
actually
removed
one
of
the
panels
from
from
aluminum
siding,
and
I
we
did
measure
the
setting
behind
so
the
exposure
behind
it's
one,
two
three,
it's
four
inches
the
original,
the
original
original,
the
wood
siding
which
was
previously
which
was
originally
installed.
Then
someone
will
actually
got
back
with
the
eight
inch
exposure,
aluminum.
M
The
wood
siding
right
because
someone
just
again
someone
just
nailed
the
aluminum
siding
over
the
original
wood
siding,
so
the
144
is
actually
showing
yeah.
You
are
completely
right,
so
it's
one
two
three
four
inches
and
we
can.
We
can
do
five
inches
exposure
with
the
hardy
boy,
which
is
gonna,
be
pretty
similar,
and
this
is
a
larger
house.
So
the
difference
of
between
four
and
five
inches
exposure.
It's
not
it's
not
gonna,
be
that
you
know
visible,
but.
B
C
M
Yeah,
but
also
as
I
would
like
to
ask
you
for
the
permission
just
to
because
those
window
frames
are
kind
of
wide
and
really
good
looking
so,
instead
heading
on
the
page
number,
oh
can
you
I
cannot
slide
it
on
yours,
showing
corners
on
the
house,
which
has
their
little
miters
right
here.
This
is
an
old
school,
and
the
problem
with
the
hardy
board
is
the
fact
that
they
don't
sell
miters
like
for
this
aluminum,
which
is
a
little
piece.
This
is
a
separate
piece
that
the
siding
panel
itself.
M
They
don't
sell
anything
like
that
for
the
hardy
boards.
So
literally
it's
the
siding
board.
The
hardy
board
is
installed
in
that
way.
One
corner
goes
like
this.
One
corner
goes
like
that
and
every
single
corner,
it's
we're,
putting
a
silicone,
which
I
do
not
like
the
effect
and
an
idea
of
it,
because
it's
too
much
expansion
and
contraction
that
the
corners
will
get
open
up
in
time
and
will
damage
the
house.
So
my
idea
is
to
match
the
siding
size
which,
which
we
agree.
Let's
say
we're
going
to
agree
on
four
inch.
M
B
B
He
said
that
he
was
gonna,
do
a
corner
board
that
was
four
inches
to
match
the
siding.
So
wherever
you
see
mitered
he's
got
these
giant
corner
boards
everywhere,
not
giant,
but
it's
only
four
inch
too
much
yeah.
But
that's
a
is
this
a
land?
This
is
a
landmark
house
right
and
I
think,
what's
going
to
happen,
I
understand
about
mitered
corners,
but
if
you
look
at
this
house
and
all
of
that,
you
can
go
to
the
front
elevation
again,
let's
go
to
the
front
elevation
and
you
think
about
all
the
corner.
B
M
No,
I
agree
with
you
hundred
percent.
We
can
do
miters,
then
the
garage
has
the
actual.
I
know
so
we
can
match
the
garage
with
the
house.
Like
two
of
the
you
know,
tool
of
the
garage
and
the
dwelling
itself
matching
with
the
mighty
corners.
C
M
All
good,
yes,
it's
all
painted
wood
and
I
do
believe
that
paint
it's
it's
leaded
paint,
so
it
stays
outside
for
a
little
bit
longer.
C
M
G
My
question
is
in
pulling
up
the
aluminum
siding
you
probably
haven't
pulled
up
a
corner
to
know
how
the
wood
siding
underneath
turns
the
corner.
Is
that
I
think
that's
more
interesting,
maybe
than
I
mean
the
aluminum's
mitered,
but
I
don't
care
necessarily
I'm
more
interested.
What
the
wood
siding
looks
like
underneath.
Does
it
miter
the
corner
or
does
it
have
a
wood
corner
board.
C
M
M
I
mean
just
because
there
is
a
picture
there
actually
included,
but
it's
I
think
it
was
minor
as
well,
but
you
can
tell
truly
for
the
historical
look.
I
think
the
miters
just
like
it's
existing
on
the
house.
They
look
much
much
better
because
it's
like
an
old
school
and
I
do
like
it
a
lot
and
I
do
believe
the
wood
siding
did
not
have
a
corners
as
well.
It
was
miter
as
well,
it
was,
I
think
it
was
not.
Actually,
I
think
it
was
cedar,
but
it
was
painted
multiple
times.
B
What
can
I
ask
a
question,
since
this
is
a
landmark?
Is
that
something
that
we
could
ask
you
to
confirm
because
I
cuz
since
you're
replacing
it
and
we
don't
quite
know
what
is
underneath
it
or
what
was
there?
If
that's
what
we're
asking
can
we
find
can
just
I
mean
this
does
not
have
to
be
coming
back
to
the
commission,
but
could
could
be
administratively.
It
would
just
be
important
to
know
if,
if
it
was
different.
M
I
can
go
back
there
to,
but
tomorrow
I
will
go
back
there
by
friday
and
I'll
take
some
pictures.
If
you
can
provide
me
with
the
email
that
I
should
send
a
picture
or
explanation
what
kind
of
corner
was
original
I'll
do
it
with
no
problem.
B
M
That's
not
a
problem,
I
you
know
these
pictures
that
you
guys
have.
It
was
taken
by
one
of
them
employees
and
I
did
but
I
went
back
there
to
the
side
and
I
think
two
better
pictures,
but
I
will
find
a
picture
and
I'll
send
it
to
carlos
question.
Right
now
the
house
is
white,
everything
is
white,
so
if
the,
if
the
customer,
the
homeowner
will
choose
a
different
color,
would
you
mind
or
it's
going
to
be
approved
as
well
or
just
I
will
just.
I
can
simply
tell
that.
M
So
one
more
time
this
is
a
historical
district.
This
is,
you
know,
landmark
house,
and
we
would
like
to
make
it
nice
and
watertight
to
actually
live
longer.
M
Would
you
suggest
that,
if
we're
going
to
go
back
with
the
fanfare
insulation,
because
we
have
to
create,
we
have
to
provide
some
kind
of
a
flat
surface
to
nail
the
new
siding
and
I
would
like
to
have
a
permission
to
put
additional,
not
just
the
fen
fold
fan
for
discovery
on
both
sides
with
the
breathable
membrane,
but
I
think
we
also
should
nail
down
a
tyvek,
not
just
the
house
wrap
but
the
tire
itself
just
to
make
sure
and
tape
it
as
well
on
the
windows
and
all
around
the
seams
to
make
sure
that
this
house
is
actually
watertight.
B
I
think
the
bigger
issue
is
when
you
take
off
this
aluminum
siding.
If
you
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
rod
on
the
siding
below
you
have
to
take
everything
off,
you've
got
to
see
where
the
new
layer
of
hardy
board,
or
whatever
that
is,
is
going
to
be
in
relation
to
the
existing
trim.
C
What
what
what
was
was
victor
victor?
Is
it
yeah.
M
Victor
victor
yeah,
I'm
sorry
in
polish
alpha,
but
we
don't
have
a
v.
I
don't.
C
B
No,
I
just
I
I
mean:
how
do
we
look?
How
do
we
know
when
he
takes
all
his
stuff
off
he's
not
going
to
be,
if
you're
not
going
to
be
finding
rod,
and
then
you
have
to
go
down
to
the
sheathing.
I
just
assume
that
we're
going
to
I,
as
as
as
the
commissioners,
I
think,
we're
just
looking
at
keeping
the
same
if
you're
keeping
the
trim,
you
cannot
come
forward
of
it
with
your
new
with
your
new
hardy
board,
so
I
don't
so.
However,
you
achieve
that.
B
M
Truly,
thank
you
so
much
for
that,
because
I
did
not
think
about
this.
The
trim
on
the
windows
is
pretty
thick.
When
you
see
the,
I
think
it's
almost
a
3
8
the
exposure
from
the
aluminum
siding,
so
the
hardy
plane
gets
much
thinner,
but
it's
harder.
M
A
M
I
think
we
should
what
I
think
we
should
move
it
for
the
next.
You
know
appointment
the
december
80
set,
so
I
can
actually
have
enough
time
to
provide
you
with
that.
I
do
agree
with
that.
A
M
B
D
B
I
move
that
we
I'm
going
to
try
this.
I
move
that
we
approve
force
or
to
make
a
motion
that
we
give
a
c
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
1509
forest
avenue.
B
B
B
The
actual
dimension
of
the
existing
siding
and
description-
oh
my
gosh,
I
don't
know
you
tried
that
yeah.
O
B
What
victor
or
what
you're
you're
going
to
provide
you're
going
to
take
off
the
existing
aluminum
siding
in
an
area
you're
going
to
miss
you're,
going
to
find
out
what
the
existing
siding
is,
the
width
of
it
and
if
they're
in
fact
corner
boards
and
and
then,
if,
when
you
take,
you
know,
I
guess,
and
then,
if
you
apply
this
insulation,
where
the
plane
of
the
new
sighting
would
be
in
relation
to
all
of
the
trim.
And
that's
what
you're
going
to
come
to
the
commission.
A
C
C
Going
through
gymnastics,
I
make
the
motion
that
case
number:
20,
pres
0310,
landmark
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
1509
forest
be
continued
to
the
meeting
of
december
8th
2020.
I'll.
Try
this
for
purposes
of
indicating
or
revealing
to
the
commission.
C
What
the
actual
spacing
of
the
boards
are,
what
the
details
are
at
the
corner
at
the
corners
of
the
siding
and
possibly
what
the
overall
depth
might
be
of
the
construction
once
it
may
have
to
be
furred
out.
Anything
else
sounds.
A
C
O
A
A
second
okay
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
sullivan
aye.
Commissioner
bowden
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
richard
hacker
aye,
mr
dick
aye,.
A
P
P
So
while
we
benefit
from
that,
it
does
kick
in
a
zoning
variation
which
we're
going
for
because
now
it
was
the
garage
which
was
allowed
to
be
on.
The
lot
line
is
now
part
of
the
primary
residence
and
is
obviously
not
30
feet
back.
So
we
we
are
going
to
go
before
the
planning
tomorrow
and
then
on
to
the
zoning
commissions.
So
maybe
we
can.
Can
you
just
scroll
through
the
shaded
area?
P
P
But
I
there's
no
evidence
that
it
was
originally
there
and
taken
down
so
basically
we're
proposing
kind
of
swapping
out
an
existing
door
that
currently
feeds
the
stair
to
the
coach
house,
the
interior
stair,
with
a
window
caddy
corner
to
that,
thereby
making
a
direct
connection
from
the
interior
of
the
garage
through
the
landing
to
the
coach
house
into
a
breezeway,
and
then
mud,
room
and
kitchen,
and
this
would
be
accessible
both
from
the
interior
of
the
garage
and
from
the
parking
court
with
the
main
door
there.
P
This
is
the
roof
plan,
we're
proposing
a
2
and
12
copper
roof.
There
are
a
lot
of
copper,
gutters
and
details
downspouts
on
the
house
that
we're
trying
to
refer
to
in
this
material
and
then
in
the
design
and
specking
of
the
doors
and
windows
we're
matching
as
closely
as
we
can
french
doors
and
the
muntin
patterns
and
widths
elsewhere
in
the
house.
P
So
we're
filling
in
an
area
that
currently
has
a
little
wooden
gate
again
moving
the
door,
which
is
a
new
door
that
fed
the
parking
court
around
the
corner,
putting
the
window.
That
was
where
the
door
is
so
just
swapping
the
two
of
them
and
creating
a
nice
protected
entry
for
the
owners
to
come
into
the
house.
P
So
again,
on
the
left:
that's
the
north
elevation,
the
only
really
very
difficult
to
see,
but
the
only
elevation,
viewable
from
a
public
way
is
from
the
alley
and
that's
the
elevation.
I
just
showed
you.
This
is
the
north
elevation,
but
that
just
is
viewed
by
the
neighbors
to
the
north,
who
have
written
a
letter
to
carlos
supporting
the
project.
The
neighborhood
of
the
north
is
neil
sheehan
of
sheila
she
and
nagle
heartray,
and
he
thinks
this
will
be
fine,
so
we're
very
happy
to
have
his
support
on
this
project.
P
Here's
a
little
section
cut
through
you
can
see
it's
quite
tight
so
that
the
2
and
12
slope
was
determined
by
clearing
an
existing
window
in
the
coach
house
and
a
window
on
the
kitchen
side
kind
of
opposite
the
side
that
you
can't
see.
But
it
would
create
a
protected
breezeway
and
a
nice
way
to
get
from
the
garage
to
the
house,
which
is
important
since
the
family
is
expecting
to
have
some
elderly
relatives
there
quite
often,
and
currently,
there's
really
no
way
to
come
into
the
house
that
is
protected
from
the
weather.
P
These
are
just
details
showing
the
precedent
of
the
french
doors
that
are
typical
throughout
the
house,
with
the
colby
heritage
series,
wood
windows
and
doors
that
we're
proposing
in
this
little
edition.
P
Here's
rendering
showing
the
view
again
barely
visible
because
there's
a
gate,
a
large
gate,
that's
closed
most
of
the
time.
This
is
the
view
from
the
alley.
If
the
gate
were
open
or
not
there,
you
would
see
just
a
little
bit
of
it
peeking
out
between
the
house
and
the
coach
house,
so
close-up
view
of
the
rendering
and
materials
palette.
This
is
the
colby
heritage
series
door,
we're
proposing
paint
to
match
sherwin-williams
paint
that
matches
pretty
closely.
P
You
know
there's
a
variety
of
grays
on
the
house
over
the
years,
but
this
is
one
that
we
felt
matched
very
closely
and
then
a
copper
roof,
reflecting
some
of
the
copper
detailing
on
the
historic
house-
and
here
are
some
of
the
precedents
that
we
measured
on
the
house.
Wood
french
doors
in
various
patterns.
B
Hi
amy,
I
have
a
question:
can
you
just
review
because
I
know
we're
gonna
be
making
a
recommendation
regarding
the
zoning?
Can
you
just
review
on
that.
P
For
us
sure
sure,
so
you
know
until
this
recent
decision
by
the
city
council
at
the
end
of
september,
you
really
weren't
allowed
to
connect
an
accessory
dwelling
with
a
primary
residence,
but
I
guess
it,
you
know
the
sort
of
mud
room
connection
to
the
garage
issue
has
arisen
in
enough
cases
that
they
now
are
allowing
that
which
therefore
makes
it
one
building,
and
since
it's
now
considered
one
building,
it
is
therefore
the
existing
condition
is
not
allowable
without
a
variance
because
the
garage
which
was
allowed
to
be
right
on
the
lot
line
is
now
part
of
the
house,
which
has
to
be
30
feet
back.
P
So
basically
you
know
through
legal
language.
What
we're
you
know
the
garage
is
now
illegal
if
we
attach
it,
even
though
the
attachment
is
allowed.
So
it's
you
know
we're
seeking
a
major
variation,
but
we're
not
changing
anything
about
the
footprint.
That's
our
is.
That
makes
sense.
B
P
A
C
All
right,
let's
try
it
for
case
20,
pres,
0309,
900,
edgemere
court,
landmark
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district.
C
This
is
to
approve
or
to
recommend
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
to
construct
a
connection
that
will
serve
as
a
mudroom
and
breezeway
between
the
existing
main
home
kitchen
and
the
adjoining
garage.
C
And
I
won't
go
into
all
the
materials,
copper
standing,
seam
roof,
reusing
a
number
of
the
existing
windows
and
doors
and
relocating
them,
and
this
connects
the
two
buildings
and
that
will
be
the
portion
that
we're
going
to
deal
with
as
far
as
construction
standards,
one
through
five,
seven,
eight
and
10
through
15
and
demolition.
One
through
six.
P
Really
just
one
so
the
current,
I
think,
if
you
go
to
the
previous
page
on
the
screen
yeah,
so
the
maroon
door
that
you
see
here
is
moving
around
the
corner.
Where,
on
the
lower
right,
you
see
a
window,
that's
actually
the
same
width.
So
those
two
are
switching
so
that
where
you
see
this
maroon
door,
they'll
be
the
window
and
then
the
actual
doors
that
we're
putting
in
with
the
side
lights.
That's
a
new.
Those
are
new,
so
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
swapping,
but
primarily
new
construction.
The
breezeway
part.
D
A
Okay,
could
we
hear
a
second.
A
Okay,
commissioner
sullivan
seconded
vote,
commissioner
sullivan
aye,
commissioner
bowden
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
mr
hacker
aye,
mr
dudnik
aye,
commissioner
idol
aye,
mr
schmidt
aye,
commissioner
simon
okay.
So
ellie
will
let
you
do
one
last
one
that
will
let
other
people
take
turns
you
want
to
do
the
zoning.
So
it's
a
recommendation
other
than
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
C
D
C
Standards,
a
and
c
of
section,
615
11-5-
I
don't
have
a
copy
of
that
thing
in
front
of
me.
A
And
it's
requested
zero
yard
structure
where
30
feet
is
required.
H
O
E
Yes,
this
is
rosetta
guernin,
the
owner
of
the
home,
I'm
her
son
michael
place,
the
power
of
attorney.
I
Our
window
is
constructed
with
mortise
and
tenon
joinery,
so,
instead
of
a
miter
joint,
so
again
we're
trying
to
keep
the
traditional
look
of
that,
but
also
giving
back
to
the
homeowner
the
safety
and
durability,
because
we're
looking
for
a
thicker
glass,
also
the
insulating
factors
as
well,
we're
also
looking
for
the
durability
of
the
window.
We
do
have
a
wood
fiber
window
that
is
encapsulated
in
a
proprietary
polymer,
so
it
does
give
the
strength,
durability
and
insulating
factors
of
the
wood,
but
no
rot
so
cost
savings
overall
and
no
future
issues.
I
I
Now
the
blue
trim
around
all
of
the
windows.
The
homeowners
made
it
very
clear
that
they
love
this
trim.
It's
gorgeous
to
the
home,
it's
aesthetically
pleasing,
so
we
are
proposing
to
not
encapsulate
that
trim.
So
we
are
going
to
use
our
fibrexl
trim
to
seal
off
and
we
will
be
leaving
the
surrounding
wood
in
place
to
keep
the
traditional
look
of
the
home.
I
So
the
windows
will
be
white
and
I
have
talked
with
mike,
who
is
son.
He
can
paint
those
if,
if
need
be,
if
he
would
like
to
paint
those
they
are
paintable
because
they
do
like
the
blue.
The
existing
blue.
Q
It
does
detail
that
there
are
existing
aluminum
windows
on
the
frames
those
aluminum
windows
will
be
coming
off
and
again
we
will
not
be
encapsulating
the
wood,
the
gap
between
the
window,
where
the
foam
insulation
will
be
and
the
wood
trim
will
have
the
l
trim
put
in
there,
and
that
will
just
be
sealed,
but
the
original
wood
will
remain
intact
and
the
shutters
will
also
not
be
disturbed
during
the.
K
A
D
A
Is
there
anything
more
you'd
like
to
present?
I
know
commissioners
will
have
questions
about
this,
but
is
there
anything
else
you'd
like
to
say
first.
I
The
only
other
thing
was
the
door.
If
you
wanted
me
to
address
the
door
that
will
be
installed
behind
the
existing
storm
door,
we
have
there.
I
We
wanted
to
give
a
very
strong
secure
door,
so
we
have
a
steel
plate
inside
the
door
for
security,
also
for
the
installation.
It's
going
to
be
one
solid
unit
on
one
frame
and
we
kind
of
went
with
the
same
look
if
you
will
as
the
storm
door.
So
again
it
will
be
behind
it,
so
it
will
almost
mirror
what
we're
currently
seeing
there
the
surround
as
well.
That
will
stay
in
place.
A
Okay,
why
don't
we
start
on
questions
from
commissioners.
O
Yeah,
why
are
you
replacing
them?
Why
is
the
owner
replacing
the
windows.
I
Several
other
reasons
we
went
over
one
they're,
leaky
and
drafty,
so
the
energy
efficiency
we
have
rot
existing,
also
the
safety.
The
glass
currently
is
a
thinner
glass
very
easily
broken
again.
I
I
believe
that
was
pretty
much
it
the
functionality
of
them.
It
was
a
little
bit
off
as
well.
You
know
with
the
rot
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
just
meant
more
energy,
efficient,
cost
savings
safer
overall
and
not
having
to
have
any
more
rotten
maintenance.
E
If
you
don't
mind
me
saying
mom's
freezing
here
in
the
winter
time,
the
draft
is
so
bad
that
we're
thinking
of
having
to
install
plastic
on
the
inside
right
now
until
we
deal
with
this,
the
security
was
another
issue,
especially
with
the
door.
E
I
I'll
just
say
to
the
locking
mechanisms
on
the
windows,
but
also
on
the
doors
all
of
those
features
we
addressed
as
well
the
safety
aspects
of
all
those
features.
So
all
those
features
have
greatly
enhanced
the
safety
of
the
home,
so
they're
all
chosen
for
specific
purposes.
A
All
right,
other
commissioners,
issues
on
the
windows.
H
H
I
just
want
to
make
a
clarification
that
this
project
specific
is
not
a
landmark
building
and
the
windows
that
the
way
that
they're
getting
replaced
where
the
wood
trim
is
remaining
around
the
windows.
I
do
not
think
that
it's
a
contributing,
you
know
distinctive
element
to
the
house.
A
So
is
the
it
I
mean.
Obviously
the
wood
around
the
windows
isn't
being
touched,
but
the
the
current
exterior
that's
of
each
window,
this
wood
would
remain
and
the
fireworks
would
be
the
hot
window
would
be
behind
that.
B
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
the
the
obviously
the
shutters
and
then
the
blue
rim
around
the
window
is,
is
wood
now.
Q
B
So
that
whole
thing's
coming
out,
but
the
trip
is,
are
all
the
I'm
sorry,
but
are
all
the
windows
that's
stucco,
so
it
is
a
stucco
return
like
that
for
all
the
windows.
Q
In
in
this
application
here,
where
you
see
the
storm
window,
the
storm
window's
actually
mounted
on
the
woodwork
mold.
So
once
we
take
this
window
off,
we
are
going
to
leave
the
wood
brick
mold
intact
and
we're
just
going
to
put
a
l
trim
that'll
just
terminate
right
at
the
brick
mold.
It
won't
cover
the
brick
mold
it'll
just
terminate
where
the
brick
mold
starts
at.
O
B
Q
I
did
provide
the
sizes
for
the
windows
and
the.
Q
Jump
forward,
one
one
more
because
I
do
have
a
side-by-side
comparison.
Yes,
there
you
go,
there's
your
existing
and
there's
the
current
window.
So,
as
you
can
see
the
the
check
rails.
Q
D
C
Q
Q
C
Q
Q
Q
Going
okay:
we
can
stop
on
that
that
last
one
so
right
in
here
that
the
sash
will
be
removed,
the
storm
window
will
be
removed,
the
interior
stop
will
remain
and
the
window
is
going
to
sit
inside
of
that
pocket.
So
where
you
see
that
exterior
stop
right
there,
that
exterior
stop
will
be
cut
out
to
allow
the
window
to
go
in,
and
that's
where
we're
going
to
put
the
l
trim
to
bump
up
against
the
brick
molding.
I
See
if
you
look
from
the
inside
of
number
204,
you
can
see
where
the
current
storm
window
overlaps
the
existing
window.
So
we're
jack
was
saying
once
you
remove
the
storm,
even
though
our
glass
place
is
going
to
reduce
you're
going
to
see
more
glass,
and
you
can
see
that
from
that
inside
picture,
pretty
well
how
much
room
that
storm
actually
takes
up
there.
P
B
B
C
B
A
Q
A
Okay
yeah,
my
only
concern
was
on
this
is
the
facade
that
you
can
actually
really
see,
and
you
know,
is
the
closest
to
a
you.
D
A
Like
a
front
facade
of
the
house-
and
it
does
seem
like
that-
you
know
to
me
the
quality
of
this
and
the
existing
windows-
I
mean
it,
it
does
look
more,
you
know
it
at
least
has
the
appearance
of
looking
older
in
more
traditional
ways,
the
other
ones
all
look
like
new
kind
of
picture
windows.
A
B
B
You
know
you
can
talk
about
the
material,
that's
something
but
otherwise,
and
also
it
looks
like
if
you
looked
up
close,
that
the
shutters
are
mounted
on
the
stucco
and
there's
not
the
same
trim
detail
that's
around
the
house,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
you'd
really
sort
of
see
any
visual
like
you
might
see
the
narrowing
of
the
windows,
but
that
it
would
make
some
huge
difference.
N
Right
now,
they're
the
storms
are
painted,
the
fabric
windows
are
going
to
be
white,
but
they
can
choose
to
paint
them
to
match
the
shutters.
If,
if
they'd
like,
is
that
correct.
D
D
G
Do
we
know
if
this
particular
property
is
even
considered
contributing
to
the
to
the
district,
or
is
it
a
non-contributing
property
I'm
having
real
hard
time
deciding
whether
this
is
just
a
historic
house?
That's
been
remodeled
over
the
years
or
whether
it's
something
that's
fairly
new,
like
1960s
1970s
in
phil,.
K
D
A
You
know
this
was
the
house
in
the
real
burnham
estate.
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
if
it
was
this
house
that
this
house
of
the
house
next
door
had
part
of
the
actual
tea
house
from
daniel
burnham's
house
incorporated
in
it,
and
it
was
this
at
the
house
next
door.
I
really
don't
recall
it's
one
of
the
two.
P
K
K
K
I'm
looking
at
this
others,
the
lakeshore
historic
survey.
C
B
I
make
a
motion
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
111
burn
in
place
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
case
number
20,
president
305.
B
For
the
replacement
of
the
existing
wood,
double
hung
and
picture
windows
and
the
wood
door
with
fibrex
windows,
which
are
double
hung
and
picture
windows,
and
a
new
panel
steel
or
applicable
standards
alterations
one
through
ten.
C
D
D
A
R
Hi,
I'm
here
behalf
of
1534
wilder
street,
a
church
committee
member,
a
building
committee
member.
This
is
not.
R
Yes,
yes,
this
is
prakash
from
1534
wilder
street,
I'm
one
of
the
church
committee
members.
R
So
we
wanted
to
change
the
windows
for
the
rectory,
which
is
located
at
1530
for
wilder
street,
and
it
is
not
a
landmark
property,
but
the
church
is
a
landmark
property.
So
it's
in
the
same
lot.
R
So
right
now
we
have
wood
windows.
Some
of
them
are
vinyl
but,
like
you
know,
since
the
hail
damage
that
happened
in
april,
seven,
some
of
the
glass
is
broken.
Some
windows
we
cannot
open.
So
we
wanted
to
change
to
vinyl
window.
So
we
need
your
permission
to
change
them
in
the
vinyl
windows.
R
We
would
like
to
change
it
in
do
wood
windows,
but
you
know,
put
put
the
wood
windows
back
but
we're
trying
to
we're
kind
of
having
financial
difficulty.
You
know
because
of
kobe
19
pandemic
we
used
to
have
around
250
people
used
to
come
to
the
church.
You
know
now
it's
like
25
people
coming,
so
we
don't.
When
we
took
the
the
estimate
it
was
like.
I
think
it
was
like
45
000
to
change
the
into
wood
windows,
but
versus
vinyl
came
out
to
like
twelve
thousand.
R
So
we
I'm
here
to
ask
your
permission
to
change
the
windows.
It'll,
look
the
same,
it'll
be
double
hung
and
it'll
have
simulated
divider
lines,
it'll,
look
exactly
same,
we're
not
gonna
change.
Any
trims
like
you
know
the
the
frame
we
need
a
frame
is
going
to
stay,
the
same,
we're
just
going
to
change
this.
Is
you
know
the
sash
part
of
it
where
the
moving
part
of
the
window?
R
So
we
have
some
drawings
here,
west
elevations,
west
elevations.
We
have
about
seven,
no
actually
ten
windows
on
the
west
elevation
and
we
have
seven
on
the
east
elevation.
Five
on
the
north
elevation
and
five
on
the
south
elevations.
R
D
R
R
B
B
Yeah
and
then
what
are
you
doing
with
all
that
glass
block
you're,
just
leaving
that.
B
Okay,
so
can
I
just
so
this
is
not.
This
is
just
on
the
reason
it's
coming
before
us,
and
I
know
I
think
we
discussed
this
before
this
is
coming
before
us,
because
it's
sitting
on
the
same
property
with
a
landmark
structure,
but
it's
not
in
a
historic
district
right.
It's
just
occupying
the
same
piece
of
property
with
this
landmark
is
that
correct.
N
Statement
of
significance,
you
know
it's
it's
about
the
church
and
they
said
rev
feldman
immediately
said
about
raising
money,
to
build
land
on
the
block
bounded
by
florence
and
ashland
avenues
and
wilder
street
to
construct
a
church
and
a
school.
C
C
If
you,
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
ever
seen
the
church
is
it
still
called
saint
mary's?
C
K
K
I
just
want
to
just
make
sure
that
clear,
even
though
a
statement
of
significance
may
create
another
building
with
the
church
we're
looking
at
what
the
list
of
landmarks
is,
and
obviously
it
does
apply
in
terms
of
the
review,
because
it's
on
the
same
line
of
record
same
as
any
building
in
a
historic
district
in
ones
that
are
not
landmarks
or
not
contributing
or
significant,
are
subject
to
review.
K
It
appears
that
currently
already
vinyl
windows
and
miami
is
that
the
church
will
come
to
the
commission
in
the
near
to
replace
those
vinyl
windows,
I'm
not
sure
with
what.
But
that's
what
I
was
told
that
they
also
have
plans
to
replace
the
vinyl
windows
on
the
landmark
on
the
true,
oh
wow,
but
we're
not
reviewing
that
yet.
I.
B
But
here's
the
thing
you
can't.
I
would
like
to
say
this:
I
don't
think
if,
if
this
is
approved
tonight,
I
don't
think
that
you
can.
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
you
can't
just
make
the
same
argument
that,
because
it
was
approved
for
this
structure,
that
it
goes
without
saying
that
it
would
be
approved
for
the
landmark.
So
I
think
it's
just
important
to
make
that
clear.
If
this
is
approved
tonight.
O
A
Yeah,
could
I
ask,
I
mean
I've
got
other
questions,
but
so
for
the
twelve
thousand
dollars
for
replacement
vinyl
windows.
What
windows
are
being
replaced
with
that.
R
R
We
had
we
applied
for
the
permit,
for
the
church
roof
to
be
replaced,
so
we
did
get
it
approved
and
the
roof
is
finished
and
the
final
inspection
is
passed
so
the
same
personal
is
doing
the
windows
so
because
this
is
a
church
and
you
just
giving
it
giving
us
the
best
price,
it's
not
really
20.
You
know
it's
just
giving
us
a
deep
discount.
You
know
yeah
almost
like
75
discount,
because
he
said
he
can
only
do
this
for
the
church.
You
know
nothing
else,
don't
ask
for
that.
R
A
There
do
you
have
any
anything
from
the
manufacturer
about
you
know
depicting
it
a
little
more.
R
They
said
minimum
10
years.
R
He
said
it's
only
for
the
church.
You
know
he
is
he's
only
doing
it
for
the
church.
You
know
so
because
people
at
the
church
were
surprised.
They're,
like
oh
wow.
This
is
so
cheap
and
he's
like
it's
not
cheap,
I'm
just
giving
a
deep
discount
for
the
church
to
respect
your
mother,
mary.
You
know
so.
A
I'd
like
to
come
back
to
the
issue
alekka
raised,
I
did
you
know
I
looked
at
the
ordinance
to
see
it.
I
mean
there's
just
nothing
at
all
about
how
to
treat
other
structures
on
a
landmark
property.
I
mean
this.
Isn't
you
know
in
some
ways
as
if
there
was
a
you
know,
landmark
home
with
a
coach,
a
large
coach
house
on
it
I
mean
it's
not
you
know
the
ordinance.
Doesn't
I
mean
clearly
the
ordinance
gives
us
approval.
A
As
carlos
mentioned,
the
ordinance
says
that
the
entire
lot
is
part
of
the
landmark
I'd
say
a
you
know,
an
auxiliary
structure
like
this
is
it's
a
gray
area.
It's
really
not
specified
exactly
what
we're
supposed
to
review
in
the
ordinance.
I
do
think
it's
a
very
much
an
interpretive
issue.
A
I
guess
I
was
a
little
concerned
because
this
structure
does
appear
to
be.
You
know
a
considerably
aged
structure
that
is
not
insignificant
and
while
I
wouldn't
give
it
as
much
scrutiny
as
modifications
to
the
the
noted
landmark,
I
I
do
think
it
bears
some
scrutiny.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it's
I
would
agree.
I
mean
I
do
know
that
the
vinyl
windows
like
they
don't
you
know
they
don't
hold
up
as
well,
and
they
just
don't
it's
just
how
you
know
they're
much
less
expensive
for
a
reason
and
and
because
this
isn't
just
like
an
outbuilding
which
likes
you
know
if
it
was
on
a
landmark.
I
was
a
a
lot
and
it
was
a
garage.
B
A
Can
you,
I
think
one
of
the
pictures
of
damage?
Could
you
show
us
what
the
damages
that
would
require?
You
know.
R
R
Yeah
that
the
broken
glass
right
there
then
also
like
some
windows,
like
you,
cannot
even
open
them.
It
doesn't
open
up
and
they're,
like
cracked
up
and
like
priest
has
been
complained
that
it's
too
cold
during
the
winter
time.
So
you
know
it's
it's
just
so
much
air
coming
through
them.
You
know.
A
R
They
gave
us
like
little
money
to
replace
the
windows
because
it's
been
like
it's
aged
and
our,
so
the
insurance
really
gave
us
like
more
like
five
thousand,
but
we
had
to
come
up
with
the
rest
of
the
money.
To
you
know,
do
the
work
you
know
so
so.
R
D
S
J
B
So
did
you
look
at
like
okay
in
terms
of
if
you
were
doing
a
wood
or
a
wood
window,
and
you
could
only
do?
Did
you
look
at
like
if
you
were
gonna?
Do
those
and
you
could
only
do
like
a
portion
of
the
windows
and
then
you
wait
another
season,
maybe
when
after
covid,
because
this
is
a
big
deal
to
do
this,
like
you're,
not
going
to
replace
the
windows
again
so
to
do
them
all
is
vinyl,
I'm
just
you
know
suggesting
that.
R
B
R
A
N
You
know
in
terms
of
cost
this
is,
it
is
very
difficult.
It's
a
secondary
structure,
but
you
know
when
you
look
at
landmarks.
You
know
I
always
defer
to.
Why
was
this
landmarked
in
the
first
place
and
it
it
seems
very
clear
that
you
know
the
church
and
the
school,
and
you
know
the
entire.
N
You
know
the
significance
of
both
the
church
and
the
rectory
on
that
land
to
evanston,
you
know,
is
all
very
important,
and
so
it's
it's
it's
a
difficult
thing
for
me
to
make
a
material
change
like
this.
You
know
we
typically
don't
allow
vinyl
yeah
on
landmark
structures.
C
R
So
basically,
like
you
know,
we
went
with
this
vinyl
because
even
this
vinyl
was
like
almost
24
000,
because
you
know
because
it
gave
us
a
discount.
That's
the
only
reason
we
came
to
like
you
know.
We
were
able
to
afford
it
and
be
able
to.
You
know,
change
the
windows
and
you
know
make
risk
yeah.
C
I
think
the
problem
is
not
only
that
it's
a
vinyl
window,
but
looking
at
the
detail,
looking
as
if
you
know
it's,
I
I
hate
to
say
that
not
a
name
company,
but
it's
not
very
clear
that
this
is
even
the
best
of
all
vinyl
windows.
If
we
can
call
it
that,
and
it
seems
I
think
what
aleka
was
saying.
I
think
it
was
aleka.
C
That
said,
you
know
the
issue
of
the
range
that
we
have
in
between
seems
as
if
you
know,
I'm
not
sure,
you've
looked
into
what
else
is
available,
but
you're.
Also,
looking
at
the
you
know,
you
seemingly
had
a
range
of
25
to
40
and
then
this
guy
says
I'll
make
a
deal.
C
B
R
B
I
think
we're
gonna,
you
know
what
I
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
evaluate
this,
as
I
understand
the
costs
associated
with
it,
but
I
I
started
out
actually
thinking
one
thing,
but
in
looking
at
this
building
and
then
understanding
what
vinyl
windows
are
like
and
and
their
upkeep
as
well-
and
you
know
I
just
I
have
thought
about
this
differently-
maybe
we
just
should
take
a
you
know,
see
what
we
think.
A
Other
possibility
is
maybe
something
where
you
know.
I
mean
a
longer
term
project
where
some
repair
work
is
done
now
and
then
in
the
future.
When
you
you
know,
when
cove
is
over
doing
more
or
you
know
some,
I
mean
there
are
probably
a
variety
of
different
plans
that
might
mitigate
the
cost.
I
mean
truthfully.
The
the
price
you
were
given
for
wood
windows
seems
like
a
great
hugely
discounted
price.
Yeah.
R
Another
thing
the
school
that
was
mentioned
in
the
historical
building,
I
believe
it
was
on
the
third
floor
of
the
church
yeah.
You
know
like
class
they're
like
divided
as
classrooms
and
stuff,
so
I
think
the
school
that
was
mentioned
it's
in
the
historical
church,
building
on
the
third
floor
and
also
the
other
cause
we
we
had
was
the
roof
replacement
because
of
the
bk
we're
you
know,
because
of
the
big
hail
damage
that
I
think
it
was
april.
R
7Th
like
really
huge,
hail
came
down
and
the
damage
rule
really
bad
and
it
was
leaking.
So
we
had
to
replace
that.
You
know
too
many
things
came
at
one
time
and
plus
the
cover
19
and
everything
came
at
one
time
hit
us
hard
at
one
time.
You
know
it's
a
reason.
B
No,
I
understand,
can
you
do
I?
I
just
think
it.
You
know
at
some
point
when
you
replace
the
other
windows,
and
I
know
I'm
sort
of
thinking
about
this
differently
than
I
started
then
you
know
it
would
be
great
if
they
were
the
same
window
and
I
don't
think
on
the
landmark
you'll
get
through
with
vinyl
windows
and
so
maybe
rethink
yeah
you're,
not
yeah.
That's
not.
I.
D
B
E
B
Then
you
did
it
so
that
if
if
we,
if
we
said
you
know
no
to
vinyl,
you
had
a
different
strategy
for
spending
the
money
where
you
could
right
now
on
a
different.
Would
I
also
encourage
you
to
look
at
different
manufacturers
from
pella
with
the
wood
window?
If
you
look
at,
if
you
haven't
looked
at
that
to
just
price
them,.
R
B
B
R
The
warranties
was
about
the
same,
they
warranted
about
the
same,
but
the
price
was
big
difference.
You
know,
yeah.
A
A
Think
I
I'd
like
to
see
us
continue
this.
A
It
just
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
difficult
issues
and
questions
what
can
be
reasonably
afforded
at
this
point
in
time
what
might
be
deferred
until
it's
you
know
less
financially
stressful
time
and
then
coordinating
with
what
the
work
that
I
speak
out
of
the
landmark
all
right.
Would
somebody
like
to
make
a
motion
to
continue
until
the
next
meeting.
B
A
Yeah,
and
also
to
consider
whether
you
know
doing
some
of
the
work
over
time
to
make
it
might
have.
A
Might
allow
you
know.
J
I
move
that
we
can
issue
a
continuance
for
the
project
at
1534
wildler
street
case
number:
two:
zero,
p,
r
e
s,
zero;
three
zero,
four
for
the
replacement
of
the
double
hong
windows
with
double
vinyl
double
hung,
vinyl,
giving
the
applicant
more
time
to
research
other
options
and
and
to
to
look
into
potentially
changing
how
they
might
approach
this
project
to
the
december
8th
meeting.
A
A
A
second
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
sullivan.
E
A
A
At
least
you
know
one
or
two
commissioners
to
seek
advice
so
that
if
you
have
ideas
and
one
you
know
carlos
is
there
to
help
and
trying
to
shepherd
this
through
see.
You
know
whether
you'd
really
be
ready
at
the
next
meeting.
If
it
takes
longer,
you
know
it's
certainly,
okay
with
us,
rather
do
it
better,
but
it
you
know.
We
appreciate
the
difficulty
of
the
issue
and
the
different
considerations.
A
S
So
if
we
so
I've
attached
the
the
historical
survey,
just
as
a
reference,
I
think
the
the
history
of
this
home
is
is
a
bit
unique
and
something
that
I
was
thinking
a
lot
specifically
thinking
about
standard
number.
Four,
as
I
thought
about
how
to
improve
the
exterior
space.
So
that's
the
if
we
take
a
step
back
and
think
about
what
is
the
goal
of
this?
S
It's
for
us
really
to
improve
the
exterior
living
space,
mostly
through
rebuilding
of
some
decks
and
some
porches,
and
I
can
walk
through
that
if
we
could
move
actually
just
quickly
to
page
263..
I
can.
I
can
highlight
this.
Oh
sorry,
just
real
quickly
on
this
one,
so
on
standard
four,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
about
some
of
the
things
I
was
thinking
about.
No
doubt
you
guys
are
all
very
familiar
with
these
issues.
The.
A
S
I
was
saying
with
the
history
of
the
home:
it
was
originally
built
in
1853,
it
was
later
moved
and
then
in
in
the
early
20th
century
was
there
was
an
addition
put
on
the
rear
of
the
home,
and
then
it
was
that
that
edition
was
wrapped
in
stucco
and
then
with
that
the
entire
house
was
wrapped
in
stucco
there
was
a
hipped
porch
that
was
added
at
that
time
and
then
later
that
that
front
porch
was
enclosed
and-
and
so
you
know
the-
I
thought
a
lot
about
these
different
aspects
as
I
thought
about
what
is
unique
or
significant
of
this
property,
as
it
sits
within
the
historical
district.
S
You
know,
hopefully
I'll
I'll
kind
of
walk
through
what
the
proposal
is,
and
hopefully
it
kind
of
keeps
those
elements
that
that
I
found
to
be
significant,
but
just
reading
the
the
bottom
paragraph
that
you
know
the
proposal
starts
to
bring
forward
the
home's
original
frame
and
finished
materials
through
changes
in
siding
material
and
patio
door
placements
you'll
see
specifically
we're
adding
a
patio
door
where
the
original
1850
home
had
the
front
entrance.
S
You
know
we're
we're
keeping
the
existing
roof
line
and
speaking
here
to
the
to
the
porch
roof
line,
the
lower
east
elevation
will
be
recited
in
fiber
cement
board.
The
the
intent
here
is
to
mimic
the
the
old
wood
siding
that
was
present
on
the
original
home,
while
keeping
a
lot
of
the
the
stucco
sighting
on
on
the
remainder,
the
the
second
story
of
the
house
and
then
the
the
entire
west
or
rear
of
the
home.
S
The
the
only
other
thing
I'd
like
to
say
in
terms
of
when
I
think
about
this
property
as
it
sits
within
you,
know
the
the
neighboring
properties
it
is
on
one
and
a
half
lots,
and
so
it's
a
rather
wide
lot
and
and
so
wanted
to
take
advantage
of
that
and
you
can,
you
can
see
that,
obviously
through
through
the
new,
the
the
new
roof
structures
on
the
north
and
the
south
end.
S
So
if
we
can
move
to
270
first
and
I'm
let's
jump
around
a
little
bit,
but
I
just
wanted
to
go
through
the
the
the
current
powder
survey
and
then
the
site
plans.
S
So
what
you'll
see
in
this
drawing
are
overlaid
on
on
top
of
the
the
survey
are
some
some
different
highlights,
so
in
pink
is
basically
where
there
will
be
a
new
roof
structure
in
blue
is
where
there
will
be
new
deck
and
by
here
by
new
decking.
I
also
mean
new
foundation.
S
Lastly,
what
you
see
in
brown
is
intended
to
be
either
a
walkway
or
or
stair,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
provide
you
this
view
first,
so
so
that
you
could
understand,
I
guess
the
the
layout
in
in
terms
of
needing
to
all,
as
you
can
see
by
the
dimensions.
All
of
these
all
this
new
construction
would
would
sit
back
further
than
five
feet,
so
so
no
issues
with
with
even
a
minor
variance
there,
and
then
I
wanted
to
quickly
go
through
the
elevations.
S
S
I'd
point
out,
the
on
on
the
north
side
or
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
picture,
you'll
see
the
front
entrance
and
and
the
in
the
walkway
you'll
see
the
enclosed
porch
and
then
the
wide
window
set
that
that
goes
across
there
and
then
over
to
the
to
the
south
or
to
the
left.
S
You
would
see
that
the
the
concrete
ports
that
I
was
referencing
that
exists
today,
this
porch
is,
is
in
decay
and
falling
apart
and
in
either
case
would
would
get
replaced
with
with
new
footings
and
a
deck
if
we,
if
we
then
move
down
to
the
proposed.
S
Oh
sorry,
just
in
the
picture
on
the
same
page
to
the
proposed
so
keeping
the
stucco
up
on
top
the
again
the
the
the
first
floor
of
this
elevation
would
would
become
hardy
board,
siding
cement,
fiber,
cement,
siding
you'll,
see
new
columns
and
then
I'd
call
out
that
that
patio
door
that
I'd
referenced
earlier.
S
So
if
you
went
back
and
looked
at
that
that
original
home,
you
know,
you
would
see
the
the
patio
door
on
on
the
left
side
of
the
house,
and
so
the
intent
here
is
to
to
kind
of
bring
back
that
that
original
look
of
the
home.
S
In
addition,
you'll
see,
the
stair
has
been
moved
to
the
to
the
north
side
of
the
elevation
and
the
intent
here
is
again
to
overall
to
to
bring
back
that
original
frame
and
and
so
having
the
stare
over
to
the
side.
I
feel
allows
you
to
to
kind
of
see
that
that
original
that
original
home
in
1853,
the
in
terms
of
the
roof
lines,
something
I
didn't
point
out
here.
S
The
the
new
structures
would
have
about
a
7
12
pitch,
whereas
the
the
the
current
port
structure
that
you
see
is
more
about
a
412
pitch.
So
it's
a
little
steeper
and
I
you
know,
I
think,
that's
evident
from
the
pictures,
but
but
that's
something
that
that
I
just
wanted
to
call
out.
S
The
the
last
thing
I'll
mention
is.
The
gutter
system
is
currently
there's
aluminum
gutters,
and
these
were
pretty
much
just
fashioned
on
fastened
onto
the
edge
of
of
the
old
wood,
gutters
and
and
then
basically
done
a
roof
over
of
of
those
of
those
old
wood
gutters.
So
the
intent
here
would
be
to
basically
take
away
those
lumen
gutters
pair
back
that
roof
and
and
try
to
restore,
and
if
not,
you
know,
replace
that
that
old
wood
gutter
system
with
you
know
on-site
built
aluminum
gutters.
S
So
thank
you
so
looking
at
the
the
south
elevation,
so
so
call
out
here
is
is
to
some
windows
that
are
going
to
replace
some
new
french
doors.
Again.
You'll
see
that
that
structure,
which
I'm
calling
a
three
season
room
that
would
sit
on
top
of
the
decking
the
and
then,
and
then
you
see
that
that
large,
that
that
large
deck
that
sits
out
instead
of
the
porch
today
I'll
also
point
out
that,
again
speaking
to
the
the
stucco
and
the
fiber
cement,
you
can
see.
S
The
stucco
is
actually
on
not
only
on
the
second
floor.
In
this
view,
but
on
the
on
the
west,
the
southwest
elevation,
you
can
see
it
as
it
protrudes
out
that
the
house
actually
indents
underneath
those
piers
and
that
would
all
be
fiber
cement
and
then
on
the
on
the
southeast
side.
That
would
be
fiber
cement
as
well.
S
Moving
to
the
so
this
is
the
the
rear
of
the
home
or
the
west
side
from
a
from
a
stucco
perspective.
This
this
would.
This
is
currently
stucco
and
would
remain
the
biggest
change
here
is
really
just
that
that
rear
deck
is
enlarged
relative
to
it
to
where
it
is
today
and
again,
this
is,
it
would
be
a
screened-in
porch
and
the
intent
is
again
just
to
overall
improve
the
the
exterior
living
space
of
the
property.
S
You
know
you
can
see
the
other
views
for
the
the
north
and
the
south
roof
structures,
and
then
just
on
the
this
last
view.
Oh
sorry,
could
you
go
back
one.
Thank
you.
S
On
the
on
the
last
view,
you
can
see
that
that
new
entrance
that
would
go
up
into
the
the
current
existing
doorway
and
then
again
calling
out
the
fiber
cement,
siding
on
that
on
that
first
floor
section
only
as
it
turns
the
corner
and
butts
into
the
house,
that's
where
the
fiber
cement
board
would
end
and
and
the
current
stucco
would
remain.
S
And
then
so
I
can
leave
it
there
and
and
answer
any
questions.
There's
some
additional
details
on
the
following
pages,
some
of
just
3d
views
or
views
of
of
trim
details.
You
know,
for
example,
one.
D
S
Views,
for
example,
calls
out
the
the
the
wood
gutter
system
and
then
and
then
some
some
pictures
of
the
exterior
of
the
house.
S
So
yeah,
I
look
forward
to
your
feedback.
I
wanted
to
to
thank
carlos
for
all
of
his
feedback.
I
am
not
an
architect,
and
so
you
know
I've
tried
to
understand.
You
know
what
what
it
is
that
you
all
would
be
looking
for
and
put
forward
a
proposal
that
hopefully
meets
those
qualifications.
B
Okay,
I
have
a
lot
of
trouble
with
these
drawings
because
there's
they're
sort
of
still
diagrammatic,
there's
no
like
floor
plans
to
actually
see
where
all
these
things
are
going
and
the
detailing
of
some
of
these
poor
truths
seems
really
diagrammatic,
and
I
and
so
yeah
I
so
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
it's
like
we're
the
floor
plans
of
the
porches
and
the
elevations
and
we're
just
sort
of
seeing
these
renderings
so
that
I'm
having
a
problem
with
that.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
is,
but.
A
K
D
B
I'm
talking
about
the
exterior,
not
the
interior,
so
when
you're
looking
at
the
exterior
with
the
existing
house
and
where
the
porches
are
in
the
stairs
and
all
of
that
there's
just
information
for
me
as
an
architect,
that's
missing
to
completely
understand
that.
I'm
not
talking
about
the
interior
of
the
house.
I
understand
that
we
we're
not
privy
to
that,
but
I
think
some
of
these
renderings
is
just
they're
the
root,
the
roofs,
and
I
mean
it's
yeah,
it's
so
it's
so
anyway.
That's
my
two
cents.
B
You
well
you're
gonna,
don't
you
need
an
arc
okay?
So
this
is
a
question.
Don't
you
need
an
architect?
Actually,
if
you're
gonna
do
something
like
this,
how
would
you
build
it
like?
What's
the
working
drawing
like,
how
would
you
you're
just
gonna,
how
how
do
you
think
you'd
progress
through
this
to
make
this
real.
S
Yep,
so
so
I
have
from
this,
so
this
is
built
up
in
in
sketchup
and
then
using
a
program
called
layout.
I
have
more
dimensions
that
I
could.
I
could
definitely
provide
you
all
in
in
terms
of
progressing
through
a
permit.
You
know
I've
spoken
to
the
permit
office
and
you
know
it's
my
understanding
for
for
decks,
that
they
are
willing
to
take
homeowner
drawings
and-
and
so
I'm
that
you
know
in
short,
that
that's
how
I'm
looking
to
progress
through
through
getting
a
permit.
B
C
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
trying
to
understand
all
of
what
you're
doing
I
mean
julie.
You
didn't
quite
get
there
in
the
question
that
I
might
have
asked
or
started
with,
because
I
thought
you
know
when
I
first
saw
the
the
original
description
that
we
were
going
to
be
looking
at
changing
some
openings
and
opening
up
seemingly
that
front
area
which
was
closed
in
and
making
it
an
open
porch.
C
But
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
more
going
on.
You've
got
this
deck.
You've
got
these
columns.
You've
got.
I
mean
when
we're
looking
at
sheet.
268
here,
you've
got
this
projection
coming
out
beyond
the
stairs.
There's
all
these
funny
little
structures
that
are
bumping
out
on
the
sides
of
the
building.
I
don't
know
whether
they're
entries
I
mean
that's
part
of
your
problem,
julie,
I
think
of
knowing.
Where
do
they
go?
C
And
if
we
go
back
a
couple
of
I
don't
know
who's
controlling
this
carlos
or
scott.
I
mean
if
we
look
at
anything,
let's
go
to
the
first
of
these.
I
guess
that's
the
east
one.
You
know
I
I
look
at
the
top.
I
look
at
the
bottom
and
it's
one
thing
to
say:
I've
opened
up
the
front
porch,
but
then
there's
this
closed
structure
over
on
the
left
and
I'm
not
quite
clear
what
that
is
or
where
that
came
from.
That's
no
longer
you're,
just
opening
up
your
front
porch.
C
If
we
keep
and
then
on
the
right
side
of
this
drawing
again,
we've
got
something
extending
out
into
who
knows
where
I'm
not
quite
sure
where
the
original
house
is
anymore,
and
I
I
went
back
and
kept
looking
at
the
picture
of
the
old
house,
and
this
doesn't
seem
to
be
that
you're,
bringing
it
back
to
what
it
was
before
the
1970
editions.
If
we
keep
going
through
the
next
one,
you
know
I
I
still
don't
understand
that
boxed
in
closed
structure
over
on
the
right
hand,
side
and
a
lot
of
these
other
changes.
C
I
mean
you're
changing
window
openings
you're
extending
decks
around
it,
there's
a
dormer
that
suddenly
appears
on
the
roof
on
the
south
elevation.
If
we
keep
going
the
rear
again,
we
see
what
I
guess
is
that
same.
C
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
Is
it
a
little
gazebo?
That's
closed
in
over
on
the
side
of,
I
think
you
made
a
comment
about
a
three
season
room.
Was
that
the
one
and
and
there's
all
these
other
things
I
mean?
There's
major
changes.
Let's
go
to
the
last
one.
I
guess
that's
the
last
elevation
again
all
sorts
of
changes.
C
It
seems
as
if
you
just
wanted
all
of
these
things
that
you
then
collect
on
the
next
sheet.
I
think
it's
the
next
one.
You
know
where
you
show
us
all
these
details
and
it's
as
if
here's
my
chance,
I'm
sorry
to
put
it
this
way,
but
here's
my
chance
to
put
these
all
on
this
house,
I'm
just
not
clear.
What's
going
on
here,
okay,
I
don't
understand
what
any
of
this
is
in
relation
to
the
original
historic
home.
S
So
yeah,
so
so
you're
right
there
are,
there
are
more
changes
than
than
just
opening
up
of
the
porch
and
and
that's
why
I've
tried
to
call
those
changes
out
within
the
document.
S
Secondly,
in
terms
of
how
does
this
relate
to
the
original
home
you're,
you
know
on
one
hand,
I
think,
taking
it
back,
that
the
home
is
not
you
know,
half
of
it
has
been
added
to
since
the
1800s
right.
It's
it.
It's
been
morphed
over
the
years
and
and
one
of
the
things
again
that
I
struggled
with
is
understanding,
especially
as
it
relates
to
to
standard
four.
You
know
what
is
considered
significant
for
this
home.
What
what
is
it
that
you
know
is
is
if
you
will.
S
I
shouldn't
change
so
when
I,
when
I
thought
about
that,
you
know
again,
the
the
things
that
stood
out
to
me
were
the
hipped
porch
and,
and
frankly,
if
you
look
at
the
roof
design,
the
main
roof
is
a
very
boring.
If
you
will,
you
know,
rectangular
shaped
roof
that
extends
to
the
back.
You
know
those
were
items
that
that
I
thought
were
significant.
S
You
know
something
else
that
was
significant
again
was
the
size
of
of
the
property
in
relation
to
its
neighbors,
and
so
I
wanted
to
take
advantage
of
that,
because
I
think
that
is
something
significant,
and
so
that's
one
reason
why
you
see
the
the
extension
on
the
north
side
of
of
that
covered
of
that
covered
entrance.
S
The
other
intent
was,
if
you
looked
again
at
that
that
original
frame
by
taking
away
that
that
front
porch,
you
know
the
the
idea
is
to
bring
in
that
that
frame
of
the
home
and
then
put
move
the
patio
door
over
to
where
that
original
door
entrance
was.
S
If
you
looked
at
the
molding,
the
the
window,
molding,
it's
it's
more
in
line,
I
think
with
what
the
house
originally
looked
like,
and
so
that's
something
that
that
I
was
motivated
by
the
three
season
room
is:
is
absolutely
new,
you're
you're
right,
it's
it's
again.
S
The
the
intent
as
I
I've
tried
outlining
in
the
beginning,
was
to
improve
the
exterior
living
space
and
when,
when
we
discussed
what
we
wanted
on
on
the
south
end
of
the
of
the
deck
you
know,
we
we
thought
an
enclosed
gaze,
you
could
call
it
a
gazebo,
you
could
call
it
a
three
season
room
but
but
something
you
know
we
don't
live
in
arizona
and,
and
so
something
that
was
a
bit
enclosed.
We
thought
would
be
convenient
to
the
to
that
living
space.
N
Now
this
this
first
of
all,
this
house
is
just
a
contribute
contributing
house
to
the
historic
district.
It's
not
a
landmark,
correct,
correct
and
I
think
the
fact
that
we
have
the
you
know
historic
pictures.
N
You
know
when
I
look
at
this
kind
of
the
center
of
the
plan,
like
I'm
looking
at
264
now
I
guess-
and
you
know
I
can
see
particularly
bringing
back
the
hardy
plank
or
whatever
it's
like.
You
know.
I
definitely
get
a
sense
of
the
original
house
as
it
was
built,
and
then
you
know
it
was
changed.
N
You
know
if
we
take
off
the
okay,
you
guys
can't
see
me
the
so
on
on.
The
left
of
this
proposed
is
the
three
season
room
on
the
right
or
the
left.
First
of
all,.
S
So
which
on
the
east
elevation,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
on
the
left.
So
it's
on
the
south,
it's
on
the
south
east
side
of
the
property.
S
That's
just
a
covered
that
that's
just
a
basically
another
roof
structure
that
mimics
what
you
see
on
the
south
side
and
and
it's
just
the
the
new
entrance
is
going
to
be
on
the
north
side
of
the
of
the
property,
and
so
that's
just
a
covered.
A
covered
stairway.
D
N
Because
I
think
that
I
mean
there's
a
there
are
a
lot
of
good
things
going
on
here.
Also
and
some
you
know
the
nod
to
you
know
some
of
the
original
picture
pictures
you
have,
but
I
was
also
looking
at
standard
three,
which
is
all
properties
structure.
Sites
should
be
recognized
as
products
of
their
own
time
alterations
to
sites,
building
structures
or
objects
that
have
no
historic
basis
should
be
discouraged.
So
some
some
of
what
you're
doing
definitely
has
historic
braces.
N
You
know,
and
you
can
make
that
argument
and
that's
great,
I
think
maybe
some
of
the
what
people
are
having
problems
adjusting
to
are
some
of
the
additional
editions.
N
You
know
you
have
alterations
going
on
and
then
you
have
additions
going
on
and
I
I
don't
know,
I'm
just
kind
of
speaking
some
of
the
thoughts
that
are
going
going
through
my
head.
I
mean
because
I
think
some
of
the
stuff
we've
said
already
is,
you
know,
is
all
negative
and
I
definitely
don't
think
it's
all
negative.
So
there's
some
where
you
have
some
base
some
historic
basis
for
some
of
the
things
that
are
going
on.
I
mean
I'd.
B
Think
it
needs
to
be.
I
I'm
not
saying
that
the
design
with
the
porch
is
not.
I
think
it's
a
good
thing.
I
think
that
we
need
a
site
plan
showing
carefully
all
the
additions
you
are
making.
We
need
to
see
the
elevations
with
all
the
new
windows
you're
putting
in
so
what
I'm.
What
I
would
be
looking
for
is
what
we
usual.
B
You
know
it's
sort
of
what
we
typically
get,
which
is
we
get
these
3d
renderings
sometimes,
but
we
also
are
getting
a
package,
so
we
can
clearly
identify
on
the
site
plan.
You
know
this
site
plan
is
so
small,
it's
hard
to
know
where
your
porches
are,
where
all
the
new
elements
are,
so
that
like
we
can
actually
evaluate
the
different
pieces,
because
there
is
a
lot
going
on
that
you're
adding.
B
So,
for
me,
it's
in
the
actual
documentation
of
this
for
coa
and
how
I
can
understand
and
read
it
and
then
talk
about
the
individual
pieces,
because
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
you're
adding
and
it's
really
hard
like
you-
can
describe
it,
but
it's
hard
for
us
to
like
visually
go
back
and
well
for
me
to
go
back
and
forth
between
the
existing
and
what's
coming
off
and
what's
staying
and
then
this
other
building,
that's
a
little
building.
That's
a
porch!
That's
actually
not
you
know!
That's
an
enclosed
porch,
the
gazebo.
B
All
of
that
stuff.
You
know,
I
think
you
need
more
drawing
quite
frankly
to
convince
this.
You
know
at
least
me
as
a
commissioner
or
elliot
as
a
commissioner,
what
you
are
actually
doing
so
we
can,
like
you,
know,
look
at
it
and
that's
where
I'm
coming
from.
It's
really
the
presentation
for
me
right
now
before
I
can
even
begin
to
evaluate
it
all.
S
Okay,
no,
that
that's
great
feedback.
I
mean
I,
I
definitely
can
add
more
detail
in
terms
of
the
elevations,
the
the
roof
pitch,
the
the
site
plans.
You
know
I
can.
I
can
get
more
granular
there
and
and
bring
it
back.
You
know
it
would
be
good
to
know
before
I
did
that
that
the
the
overall
design
was
not.
S
You
know
too
offensive
to
the
committee
before
before
I
put
in
that
effort,
but
but
I
absolutely
can
come
back
with
those.
G
I
mean,
I
guess
I
look
at
it
as
it
definitely
has
a
very
unusual
history
with
the
kind
of
the
greek
revival
original
19th
century
house
kind
of
transformed
in
the
early
20th
century.
With
this
almost
prairie
school
kind
of
hip
roof
wrap
around
porch
and
addition,
so
it's
already
kind
of
an
assemblage
of
different
parts
and
pieces.
I
think
to
me
when
I
look
at
the
east
elevation
and
I
see
the
little
side
gazebo
piece
and
the
other
little
porch
roof
extension.
G
On
the
other
side,
I
feel,
like
those
are
just
another
layer
of
pieces
added
onto
this,
that
don't
relate
to
anything.
I
really
struggle
with
those
other
extensions.
It's
already
sort
of
the
greek
revival
house
is
lost
inside
of
this
hip
roof
wraparound
that
they
did
in
the
20th
century
and
then
you're,
just
adding
even
more
parts
and
pieces
onto
that
wraparound
porch
that
that
really
don't
relate
to
anything.
G
I
I
have
a
tough
time
with
those
other
extensions,
the
porch
itself-
I'm
not
I'm
not
certain
about
at
this
point,
certainly
when
they
did
it
at
stucco,
with
the
kind
of
cantilever
roof
originally
in
1910
or
whenever
that
dates
to
that
had
a
certain
look,
you're
rebuilding
it
with
columns
and
a
railing
and
a
more
open
porch,
which
is
maybe
more
in
keeping
with
the
19th
century
look
but
at
the
same
time
that's
not
a
porch
that
ever
existed
here.
So
I'm
kind
of
I
have
mixed
feelings
about
that.
G
I
guess
the
other
thing
I
have
kind
of
mixed
feelings
about
is
using
hardy
board,
siding
on
part
of
the
house
and
stucco
on
the
rest.
Again,
it's
kind
of
mixing
the
two
different
periods
it
never
really
had
both
of
those.
At
the
same
time,
it
was
all
wood
siding
and
they
changed
it
to
all
stucco
and
while
I'm
not
saying
you
can't
have
a
blend
of
two
materials,
I
don't
know
quite
how
I
feel
about
that.
Yet
again,
it's
kind
of
transforming
it
into
something
that
never
existed
historically.
S
Okay,
could
I
ask
so
the
porch
is
existing
just
just.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is
known,
that
you're
actually
right,
that
the
look
of
the
porches
would
change,
but
the
front
porch
is
existing.
The
the
comment
on
the
stucco
and
and
the
sighting
absolutely
understood.
You
said
something
in
the
beginning,
which
is,
I
think,
very
much
in
my
mind
what
you
know
that
this
house
has
you
know.
S
Originally
greek
revival
been
moved,
stucco
cut,
you
know
it.
It
has
this
this
mixture
and
in
a
way
the
stucco
plus
hardy
board
was
was
kind
of
was
the
intent
was
to
kind
of
honor
that
to
say
look.
This
has
been
one
house
that
you
know
the
the
the
original
front.
Half
of
the
house
was
actually
wood,
siding
and
then
the
back
half
was
stucco.
C
I
I
think
that
of
the
two
photos
that
you
have
of
the
old
house,
I
I
would
tend
to
want
to
ignore
the
first
one,
the
one
on
the
left,
because
I
think
that
that
house
is
long
gone.
I
mean
that's
the
best
way.
To
put
it
the
thing
about
the
second
one,
and
I
don't
know
when
I
think
ken
you
think
it's
1910.
Maybe
we
don't
really
know
the
pictures
from
the
1970s
yeah,
but
I
don't
think
that
was
done
in
1917..
I
think.
C
Yeah,
I
think
so,
and
it
was
one
of
the
questions
I
was
going
to
ask
because
I
zoomed
in
on
it,
and
it
strikes
me
that
it's
almost
as
if
that
south,
that
porch,
that
wraps
around
that
looks
like
there's
a
main
stair
coming
up
over
there
on
the
south
side
and
at
the
main
entry
that
you
now
have
on
the
east
is
not
really
where
they
used
to
enter
the
house,
or
at
least
they
may
not
have
when
they
wrapped
it
around.
C
I
mean
you've
got
a
little
bit
of
that,
but
I
think
a
part
of
it
is
that,
regardless
of
the
change-
and
I
don't
know
that
I'd
honor
the
old
house-
because
I'm
not
sure
much
of
it's
left,
especially
you
look
at
the
window,
details
and
the
arches
and
whatever
was
going
on,
but
there's
a
language,
and
you
know
we
talk
about
a
language
and
we
can
talk
about
a
grammar
and
we
can
talk
about
a
style
and
there
was
a
consistency,
and
I
think
something
you
know.
As
ken
as
you
were
talking
about
it.
C
C
I
mean
whether
you
you
know
you're,
saying
you're,
honoring
number
one
or
number
two,
or
both
I'm
not
sure,
you're
honoring
either
one,
and
I
think
you
know
you're
trying
to
introduce
something
new,
because
that's
what
you'd
like
to
have
the
the
language
that
drove
your
design
of
the
porch
has
nothing
to
do
with.
What's
ever
been
there
before,
you
seem
to
be
seeing
a
porch
that
you'd
like
to
have.
C
I
want
to
have
a
nice
wooden,
open,
porch,
with
columns
coming
down
to
the
ground
and
whether
it's
trellised
at
the
bottom
or
not,
and
a
lot
of
these
are
features
that
you
seem
to
want
to
have,
but
don't
necessarily
derive
from
what's
already
there
and
I
think
what
it
really
needs
is
sort
of
looking
at
the
whole
thing
as
a
consistent
whole,
and
I
think
ken
you
made
the
comment
about
a
whole
bunch
of
little
pieces,
I'm
not
sure.
If
that's
exact,
you
can
correct
me
on
your
wording
of
that.
C
You
know
the
stairs
out
further
and
extend
the
roof
out
a
little
further
than
that.
That's
why
it
ends
up
looking
like
a
collection
and
why,
I
think
julie
is
trying
to
say
I
need
to
see
some
drawings
to
figure
out
what
the
hell.
This
is
because
I'm
not
quite
clear
where
all
these
pieces
are
coming
from.
N
The
core
structure
of
the
house
is
still
there.
They
just
took
that
and
added
on
to
it.
So
you
know
by
taking
off
some
of
the
features
you
see
you
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
the
greek
revival
peeking
out,
but
but
the
problem
is
maybe
the
kind
of
trying
to
combine
the
two
it's
kind
of
like
you
have
to
go
one
way
or
the
other.
You
know
and
and
not
get
too
too
complex,
because.
N
S
S
That's
also,
though,
why
I'm
moving
that
stairway
over
to
the
side
so
that
you
have
more
of
a
if
you
will
a
solid
front
on
that
east
elevation
and
then
that
patio
door
instead
of
you,
could
do
a
window
there,
for
example,
but
we
intentionally
chose
to
do
a
patio
door
to
mimic
what
you
see
on
the
original
home,
the
the
the
entrance
isn't
changing
from
where
it
is
today,
but
you're,
absolutely
right
that
the
entrance
today
is
different
than
where
it
was
in
the
original.
C
I'm
looking
at
260
look
at
264.
yeah.
S
S
That's
correct
and
well
yeah,
it's
likely
to
have
exist
existed,
but.
A
S
Correct
there
there's
there's
a
porch
area,
a
front
porch
area.
You
can
see
that
if
we
went
back
to
the
to
the
plat,
maybe
you
could
see
it
there,
but
there's
a
front
porch
area
that
you'd
walk
in,
so
you
can
see
basically
where
the
stair
ends
and
then,
where
I've
highlighted
in
blue
on
that
northeast
side.
A
Okay,
well,
this
goes
to
the
question
of
not
being
able
to
see
what's
going
on
inside.
I
guess
I
mean
one
question
is
whether
the
the
new
porch
you're
proposing?
How
does
that
relate
to?
What's
there
now
inside
I
mean,
are
you
simply
removing
a
porch
and
the
facade
you're
depicting
under
the
new
porch
is
exactly
what's
already
there.
C
C
N
B
B
I
don't
care
about
the
interior,
you
know
like
and
then
an
elevation
showing
like,
where
are
the
new
windows
and
where
the
so
I
mean
just
to
go
through
this.
So
we
are
not
asking
these
questions
and
you
can
tell
how
it's
really
hard
like
you.
Can
it's
just
hard?
You
can
hear
it
it's
hard
for
us
to
understand
everything.
That's
going
on.
A
And
I
think
the
concern
isn't
just
I
mean
part
of
it
is
we
need
to
understand,
but
I
think
the
concern
is
what's
really
going
to
be
built.
I
mean
you
know
the
plans,
look
like
a
beautiful
idea
and
you
know
the
decision
about
whether
to
approve
you
know
very
different
non-historic
front.
Porch
is
a
hard
one,
but
I
do
personally
think
that
plans.
You
know
in
broad
concept,
look
beautiful,
but
I
just
don't
have
any
faith
that
as
to
what's
actually
gonna
be
built.
S
So
again,
there
are
construction
documents
that
have
been
built
off
of
this,
drawing
in
sketchup
using
layout.
I
can
I
had
those
construction
documents
ready
and
it
was
my
understanding
that
that
those
details,
weren't
necessarily
what
the
commission
would
be
looking
for.
I
can
absolutely
provide
those
details.
B
Could
I
just
say
something
I
you
know
we
reviewed.
We
did
review
these
the
documents
you
know
before
we
were
viewing
them
to
make
sure
that
the
commission
can
understand
them
and
there
were
sort
of
these
drawings.
Maybe
you
know
that
were
very
difficult
for
susie.
If
you
want
to
speak
up
about
this,
they
were
difficult
to
read
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
could
that
the
commission
could
see
the
book
see
the
existing
and
the
new
and
the
changes
side
by
side,
but
they
were
not.
B
H
H
P
H
I
think
what
is
being
asked
for
would
be
more
of
line
drawings
that
I
that
you
probably
have
seen
tonight
from
other
applicants
is
what
I
believe
several
commissioners
are
asking
for:
a
dimensioned,
accurate,
precise
site
plan,
drawing
with
the
footprint
of
your
building
and
the
porches
as
well
as
elevation
drawings
that
are
potentially
accurate
line,
drawings.
S
B
Paul,
maybe
if
you
I
do
think
this
is
helpful
like
that,
if
you
I
don't
know
if
you
were
on
for
the
whole
time,
but
you
know
there
are
some
drawings.
I
can
you
know
that
that
that
were
clear
that
we
could
read
pretty
quickly
like.
I
think
I
don't
know
if
you
were
here
to
see
them
in
terms
of
what
we're
sort
of
used
to
seeing
in
terms
of
plans
and
elevations,
and
I
mean
this
is
complicated.
You
know
if
this
was
just
a
front
porch.
B
I
think
we
might
be
able
to
evaluate
it
in
a
3d
kind
of
way,
but
it
isn't,
and
so
that's
why
that's
why
I'm
asking
for
for
more
drawings
so,
but
to
give
you
that
you
know
if
you've,
if
you
have
seen
them
tonight,
I
don't
know
if
you
were
on
or
carlos
maybe
share
a
package
with.
B
Well,
like
reichardt's
or
amy
reichardt's
too
many
of
them
yeah.
That
was,
but
I
mean
amy
reichardt's
like
you
could
see,
there
was
a
3d
and
then
you
could
see
the
elevations
and
you
saw
the
footprint
and
you
know
so.
So
it's
not
that
it's
not
like.
We
wouldn't
be
evaluating
other
details,
but
it
would
be
more.
It
would
be
clear.
We
wouldn't
have
to
ask
all
these
questions.
Yeah.
A
I
think
a
set
of
drawings,
which
I
don't
think
we
saw
tonight,
which
shows
each
facade,
identifies
exactly
what's
changing
that
facade,
which
is
you
know,
taking
further
what
you've
already
started,
but
I
think
that's
what
we're
used
to
seeing
I
mean
like
on
the
front
porch
facade,
you
know:
what's
there
now
on
the
inside
versus?
What's
you
know
in
your
drawings?
It's
just
something
we
don't
know
at
all.
S
That
so
that,
just
something
I
wanted
to
say
real,
quick.
The
reason
I
had
also
called
out
the
sketchup
document
was
just.
There
was
a
comment
earlier
that
what
you
see
here
is
not
going
to
be
part
of
the
construction
documents,
and
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
knit
that
in
the
butt
that
what
you
see
here
is
is
integrated
into
the
construction
documents.
You
know,
there's
no
intent
to
deceive.
S
If
you
will
the
commission
and
presenting
you
something
here
that
would
be
different
from
the
construction
docs
the,
but
you
have
raised
something
which
is
interesting
in
terms
of
the
front
porch,
because
the
front
porch
is
enclosed.
Today
I
didn't
know
how
that
detail
should
be
brought
to
your
attention,
because
from
I
you
know,
I
didn't
know
from
your
perspective.
You
were
basically
blind
to
what
it
is
today
and
it's
only
what
it
is
it
going
to
look
like
in
the
future
and
so
that
that's
why
I
hadn't,
provided
that.
B
B
So
it's
you
can
look
at
it
side
by
side,
yeah
and
I,
but
I
would
say
to
you
in
terms
of
like,
where
you're
getting
some
of
your
vocabulary
and
then
I'm
just
looking
at
if
the
sketchup,
like
your
columns
like
where
is
that
coming
from
that's
kind
of
a
victorian
detail,
I
don't
really
know,
and
so
I
think
when
as
you're
thinking
about
this
like,
where
is
this
vocabulary
coming
from
and
if
it's
in,
if
you're
inventing
it
you
know,
it
seems
like
you
are,
but
that's
that's
a
question
that
you'll
have
that
you
have
to.
B
S
Yeah,
that's
okay!
So
I'm.
D
D
C
C
It
strikes
me
that
there's
this
is
much
too
complex
and
many
more
things
going
on
that
you
could
get
a
permit
by
just
using
these
kind
of
sketchup
drawings
or
something
like
it.
I
mean
there
there's
a
lot
of
structural
changes
and
all
the
rest
and
and
structural
construction
that
you
can't
just
say
I'm
building
a
deck
and
that
may
have
been
what
you
presented
to
whoever
you
spoke
to
in
the
permit
area.
But
this
is
not
I'm
building
a
deck.
C
S
I'm
saying
the
city
allows
me
from
my
understanding
of
talking
with
the
preservation
committee.
Sorry,
the
permit
office.
The
city
allows
me
as
the
homeowner
to
to
put
forward
these
types
of
changes
and,
as
you
can
see
it's
it's
something
that
I
was
interested
in
doing.
B
S
Have
the
footing
yeah
yeah,
so
I
mean
I,
I
can
get
a
structural
consultant
to
come
in
and
look
at
the
drawings
I've.
I
have
a
few
contacts
there.
You
know
the
the
in
terms
of
the
footings
this
this
is
something
that
has
has
been
discussed
again.
I
can
provide
those
details.
I
wasn't
aware
that
that
was
something
that
was.
B
No,
it
isn't
it
was
it's
not
for
us.
No,
no,
I
think
ellie's
just
asking
you
like,
I
think,
just
moving
forward
that
there's
so
much
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
here
so
but
that's
sort
of
so
maybe
that's
out
of
our
purview,
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
it's
getting
built,
but
anyway,.
N
And
I
think
I
I'd
like
to
heard
from
from
commissioner
reinhold
and
idol
and
whatever
just
so,
so
that
we're
giving
clear
guidance
going
forward
since
commissioner
hacker
and
that
you
know
elliott
and
julie
you
know,
might
be
reviewing.
It
want
to
be
your
guidance
on
on
what
we
want
him
to
come
back
with
tim's.
G
So
number
one
is
the
the
massing
and
what
kind
of
volumes
are
appropriate
to
add
to
this
house
is:
does
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
do
an
open
porch
on
the
footprint
of
the
existing
porch?
And
then,
if
you
start
expanding
beyond
that
footprint
with
these
other
parts
and
pieces,
what
do
those
relate
to,
and
what's
the
logic
to
go
beyond
the
existing
footprint?
G
I
think
there
it
needs
to
really.
You
need
to
really
look
at
kind
of
the
rhythm
and
the
spacing
of
some
of
these
things.
I
look
at
the
sketch
of
the
proposed
front.
Porch
and
it
doesn't
look
like
any
of
the
columns
are
the
same
distance
apart,
there's
kind
of
a
irregularity
there.
Why
is
that?
What
does
that
relate
to?
G
What's
the
what's
the
source
for
this
porch
design?
Again,
it's
taking
the
footprint
of
a
kind
of
prairie
school
wrap
around
porch
that
had
a
much
different
appearance
with
the
stucco
and
kind
of
the
cantilevered
broad,
hip,
roof
overhang
and
then
you're
turning
it
into
a
porch,
supported
by
columns
that
go
all
the
way
out
to
the
corners.
So
it
has
a
much
different
feel
and
shape
to
it
and
just
the
massing
and
the
rhythm
and
the
materials
and
the
detailing
of
all
of
that
is
needs.
G
Some
work
needs
some
work
and
then
having
a
convincing
understanding
of
how
the
house
has
evolved
and
what
that
means
for
it
to
go
forward
is
really
the
goal
to
emphasize
the
greek
revival
kind
of
19th
century
character
and
that's
why
you're
going
to
open
wood
trim
and
hardy
board
siding
and
so
on
or
is
it?
Is
it
thought
of
in
those
terms
and
the
sucker
was
kind
of
on
its
way
out
or
is
it
a
hybrid
in
some
way,
and
what
does
it
mean
if
it's
a
hybrid?
G
O
Okay
and
just
administer
yeah,
just
a
couple
notes
administratively
just
for
the
application
for
the
certificate.
I
would
go
ahead
then
and
add
in
the
additional
things
that
aren't
present
here
right
now,
because
you
are
asking
us
to
go
ahead
and
review
and
approve
the
roof
dormer
that
is
added
the
new
window
openings
and
that
new
three
season
room.
So
you
know,
go
on
and
include
like
all
of
those
aspects
that
are
there,
because
I
do
feel
like
it's
more
than
just
a
new
porch.
O
I
want
to
go
back
also
just
on
a
note
where
commissioner
hacker
was
talking
about
the
vocabulary
for
those
columns
and
some
of
the
other
details.
I
believe
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
for
you,
when
we're
talking
about
vocabulary
in
terms
of
these
conversations
is
typically
talking
about
the
architectural
style
that's
being
presented
and
not
not
words.
Necessarily
in
this
case
the
words
are
the
architectural
features
that
are
being
presented,
and
so,
where
did
the
style
of
those
columns
come
from?
O
How
do
those
relate
to
the
existing
style
or
vocabulary
of
the
existing
building?
And
where
did
those
come
from
and
our
one
of
our
hopes,
I
think,
is
just
to
understand
where
you
know
what
that
existing
vocabulary
or
that
existing
style?
How
that
fed
into
the
new
words
or
the
new
elements,
architectural
elements
that
you're
presenting
in
the
new
the
new
design?
O
And
so
that's
that's
what
we
were
talking
about
when
when
we,
when
we
mentioned
vocabulary
just
to
clarify
for
you.
O
A
Okay,
it's
getting
late!
Why
don't
we
continue?
Would
somebody
like
to
bring
a
motion
to
continue
this
to
our
next.
A
Meeting
so.
G
I
guess
it's
my
turn
I'll
move
that
we
continue
the
the
project
at
1206,
hyman
avenue
to
the
december
december
8th
meeting.
Is
it
yes.
H
D
A
Mr
schmidt
hi
and
I'm
an
eye
also
thank
you.
E
A
So
I
wanna
scott,
could
you
take
down
the?
I
don't
know
that
we
well,
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
see
the
minutes
and
see
if
we
could
just
be
able
to
see
everybody.
Thank
you.
A
K
They
were
so.
A
K
Oh,
thank
you.
I
received
from
and
julie
their
comments
or
edits,
and
there
are
very
few
so
they
were
minimal.
A
A
A
Maybe
at
this
point
I'll
just
give
a
tribute,
we
have
three
commissioners
ellia
tim
and
julie,
whose
last
meeting
is
tonight
and
they've
done
an
amazing
job
and
made
amazing
contributions
to
the
commission.
I
do
not
know
how
we'll
survive
without
them.
A
A
We
do
we
don't
have
the
same,
we'll
no
longer
the
same
level
of
expertise
and
we'll
miss
them
dearly
as
people
and
as
experts
in
their
field.
I
don't
know
if
I
know
at
least
julie
wanted
to
say
a
word.
B
I
just
want
it
yeah,
it's
been
six
years
anyway.
I
just
wanted
you
guys
are
all
great
and
I
know
you'll
carry
on
and
I
wanted
to
just
remind
everybody
about
our
retreat
that
we
had
and
the
things
that
that
we
have
accomplished,
but
the
things
that
are
still
out
there
that
maybe
think
about
so,
like
the
guidelines,
the
solar
guidelines
which
are
coming
up.
You
know
yay
yay,
you
know
those
those
are
kind
of
done
right
now.
B
The
susie
and
I
have
been
doing
this
pre-review,
which
I
think
is
helpful.
The
last
one
was
complicated.
It
was
complicated
for
us
when
we
looked
at
it
so
anyway,
but
I
think
that's
been
helpful.
That's
been
going
on.
That's
a
really
good
thing.
The
other
things
that
were
outstanding
from
that
retreat
were
the
whole
website,
and
I
think
jamie
was
gonna
like
work
on
that,
but
she
hasn't.
B
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
still
make
that
that
still
should
be
a
priority
and
not
go
away,
and
then
the
other
thing
that
we
talked
about
was-
and
I
know
coveted
in
everything-
has
made
things
so
difficult,
but
we
talked
about
working
with
the
city
in
terms
of
how
how
we
might
get
more
support-
and
I
those
so
those
two
things
I
would
encourage
you
to
like
continue
to
think
about
and
not
just
let
that
all
go
and
you
know
but
anyway.
B
C
B
I
but
really
so
carry
on
and
carlos
yes.
K
Thank
you
apparently.
C
C
Some
of
you
may
be
off,
it's
been
going
on
since
2014,
so
I
don't
know
what's
gonna
happen,
it's
been
a
lot
of
fun.
Some
of
you
haven't
been
around
as
long
as
the
two
of
us
now
well
tim.
Has
that
remember
the
the
first
year
or
two
were
really
pretty
startling.
For
us,
it
seemed
as
if
we
walked
into
northwestern
and
and
edgemere
court
about
edmure
court
never
went
away,
and
every
time
I
see
something
on
edgemere
court
and
the
agenda.
I
go.
Oh,
my
god
not
again,
no.
C
Oh
god
I
mean
all
of
us
went
through
that.
It's
it's
been
an
enlightening
experience
and
it's
been
interesting
to
watch
the
changes
on
the
commission.
A
lot
of
it
is
who
you
know
the
different
attitudes.
I
think
that's
what
all
of
you
really
bring,
and
I
don't
think
the
citizenry
appreciates
that
people
are
coming
in
with
very,
very
different
attitudes.
I'm
saying
this
in
terms
of
the
commissioners:
none
of
you
look
at
it
the
same
way.
C
C
I
mean
even
this
last
one,
even
this
last
one,
but
but
I
think,
and
some
of
you
have
gone
through
some
pretty
grim
ones
already
in
your
year
or
two
there
susie
smiling.
She
must
remember
him.
Ken
knows
them
all,
but
it's
been,
it's
been
a
great
education
and
it
was,
I
mean
somewhere
by
the
way
in
about
year.
Four
all
of
you
will
say:
can
I.
C
C
J
C
They
just
don't
tell
the
public
that
that's
what
mark
has
to
live
with.
Anyway,
it's
been
nice
and
I
don't
have
any.
We
don't
have
any
cookies
and
goodies
to
share
so.
J
Oh,
I
just
yeah.
I
echo
those
those
same
sentiments
thanks.
Everyone
at
six
years
is
a
long
time.
I
I
can't
even
I
I
forgot
that
it
even
been
that
long.
I
remember
that
I
still
remember
the
first
meeting
with
julie
where
we
showed
up
at
you
know
our
same
first
meeting
together.
I.
B
J
I've
learned
a
lot
I
I've
enjoyed.
I
mean
my
first
term,
I
was
very
active
and
you
know
I
know
this
last
year.
Many
of
you
probably
don't
even
recognize
me
some
of
the
new
people-
and
I
I
it's
so
thank
you
mark
for
the
kind
words
and
including
me
and
this
great
company
with
with
julie
and
elliot,
who
are
amazing
contributors
and
do
a
ton
at
not
only
these
meetings,
but
also
behind
the
scenes
and
everything
so
but
but
it's
it
has
been
great.
J
It's
been
great
learning
experience
for
me
and
I
do
enjoy
contributing
to
you
know
to
the
city
and
to
to
help
in
this
area
so,
but
on
to
the
next
thing.
C
K
Mark,
if
I
have
a
second
to
express
my
gratitude
to
all
the
three
commissioners,
it's
a
learning
experience
for
me
to
deal
with
each
one
of
you
because,
like
eliot
said
you
know,
everybody
has
a
different
perspective
and
how
things
should
be
looked
at,
which
allows
me
to
bring
that
information
to
the
applicants
and
in
many
respects.
K
What
you
see
in
your
min
in
your
in
your
packets
is
not
what
I
originally
received
and
then
some
of
them
really
take
to
hardwood.
You
know
we
recommend,
and
particularly
since
we
are
now
doing
the
pre-meeting,
I
have
a
better
sense.
You
know
how
the
applicants
should
approach
the
project
and
again
it's
difficult
when
we're
not
dealing
necessarily
always
with
the
architects.
You
know
we
have
people
who
can
and
have
done
drawings.
K
They
have
their
own
limitations
as
far
as
resources,
and
so
I
think
your
experience
as
architects
and,
I
would
say
a
team
as
a
person
who
is
not
an
architect
but
is
a
landmark
owner,
appreciates
a
different
level,
how
applicants
feel
or
expect
from
the
commission.
So
I
think
all
that
together
is
a
very
valuable
asset
that
we
have.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
again
for
your
six
years
of
giving
us
all
that
directly.
Thank
you.
S
Okay,
I'll
be
succinct
and
just
echo
those
comments
that,
thank
you
all
for
your
service.
You
know
personally,
I've
learned
a
lot
from
from
you
guys
and
your
time
on
the
commission.
I
said
when
I
got
here.
I
was
not
a
preservationist,
but
I
grew
up
in
a
landmark
house
in
evanston,
so
I
know
some
of
the
inside
of
it
maybe
more
than
the
outside,
but
certainly.
K
Anyhow
is
the
rules
and
procedures.
You
got
the
version
where
we
added
article
with
the
solar
lines,
that
is
version
8.1
with
all
the
revisions
that
lekken
and
julie
put
together,
and
we
presented
those
to
the
environmental
board
and
the
utilities
commission
and
at
the
end
we
were
able
to
get
their
endorsement.
K
A
Okay,
great
a
lot
of
sense,
you
did
a
great
amount
of
work.
You
want
to
move
to,
adopt
them
to
the
change
or.
B
K
K
So
congratulations.
So
the
next
item
will
be
the
nomination
of
frustration
committee
officers
for
2021..
K
So
traditionally
we
give
you
a
month
to
think
about
whether
to
continue
in
your
current
position
or
if
you'd
like
to
nominate
someone
or
if
you'd
like
to
nominate
yourself
elliot
was
our
well
still
is
our
secretary.
D
K
K
So,
anyway,
next
month
I
will-
and
I
will
remind
you
via
email,
to
put
the
names
forward
and
so
that
in
january
no
we're
gonna
have
the
elections
in
december
so
started
on
january.
We
have
a
the
new.
G
K
G
K
Submitted
his
documentation
for
the
the
appointment
to
the
committee.
A
Replace
elliot
carlos
and
scott,
maybe
we
could
talk
this
week
about
renewing
the
efforts
to
seek
more
commissioners.
You
know,
as
I
told
you
in
the
email,
the
you
know,
I
inquired
again
about
the
application
that
was
made
by
a
you
know
prospective
commissioner.
A
That
seemed
great
that
I
never
heard
back
on
and
I
don't
you
know,
I'm
sure
the
mayor
has
tons
to
do,
but
maybe
we
could
noodle
about
the
best
way
to
approach
without
being
obnoxious,
because
it's
been
a
little
frustrating
that
we're
not
getting
answers,
although
in
the
middle
of
pandemic
I
can.
I
can
understand.
N
A
We
had
three
applications
and
I
had
asked
emailed
with
the
mayor
about
approving
all
three
and
then
you
know
my
argument
was
that
would
leave
two
spaces
for
people
of
diverse
backgrounds
or
whatever
he
wanted,
and
I
you
know
he
emailed
back
very
enthusiastically
and
then
for
whatever
reason
two
of
the
people
went
to
were
nominated
to
city
council
and
not
the
third.
But
one
of
the
two
nominated
turned
out
to
have
the
evidence
and
address
he
submitted
was
not
a
was
a
business
address,
not
a
home
address.
A
So
I'm
thinking
you
know,
so
I
sent
an
email
to
the
mayor's
assistant
last
week
asking
about
the
third
applicant,
if
necessary,
I'll
start
emailing.
The
mayor
again,
I
just
was
reluctant
to
overuse
that
avenue
in
the
middle
pandemic
and
the
election
and
everything
else
so.
A
Anybody
else
has
leads,
you
know,
that'd
be
great,
you
know,
I'd
hope
that
I
mean
the
city
may,
for
you
know,
good
city
policy
reasons
want
to
have
people
who
are
not.
You
know
like
any
of
us
on
the
commission,
and
I
don't
know
how
realistic
that
is.
The
mayor
does
have
an
assistant
of
some
type,
not
his
assistant,
but
someone
else
who
was
assisting
him
and
making
recommendations
for
city
commissioners,
and
I
think
I
could
try
to
contact
her
as
well.
I
I
mean
before
jason,
maybe
scott
in
college.
S
A
Discuss
that
okay,
but
it's
been,
you
know
too
slow
moving
and
if
there's
somebody
who
still
wants
to
be
on
and
has
applied
four
or
five
months
ago,
they
certainly
want
to
preserve
that.
D
A
Can
we
amended
the
ordinance
when
we
rewrote
it
what
two
three
years
ago,
to
reduce
the
quorum
to
at
least
the
majority
of
the
current
commissioners?
So
we
do,
you
know,
get
some
break
by
having
commissioners
drop
off,
although
it's
it's
still
not
desirable,.
A
S
You
repeat,
this
will
be
seven
and
just
to
give
a
little
bit
of
perspective.
There
are
certainly
other
boards
community
commissions
that
that
you
know
seven
is
their
their
full
body.
The
zoning
board
is
consistent.
Seven,
the
plane,
commission,
is
nine,
although
has
two
vacancies
currently,
so
I
think.
A
I
mean
I
I'd
like
to.
I
know.
Other
people
would
be
really
good
too,
but
I
certainly
enjoy
doing.
I
mean
I
wouldn't
do
it
for
more
than
one
more
year.
That's
for
sure,
but
you
know
I
know,
I'm
not
the
only
one
who's
qualified.
B
I
want
to
say
that
I
have
seen
like,
because
I've
been
working
with
susie
that
she
would
make
a
great
vice
president,
unless
either
of
you,
aleka
or
beth,
wanted
to
do
it.
So
I'm
I'm
nominate,
I'm
leaving.
So
no
one
could
get
mad
at
me,
but
I
would
nominate
susie
to
do
that
and
then
the
and
then
you
guys
could
yeah
just
because
I've
been
working
with
it.
C
K
K
Have
a
which
project
fine?
So
we
definitely
need
someone
who
would
be
willing
to
rhythm
for
the
meaning
and
let
us
know,
what's
necessary,
to
amen.
B
B
B
K
When
I
need
some
feedback
from
the
chair
or
or
or
the
vice
chair,
I
have
consulted
to
both
and
it's
very
have
someone
to
be
able
to
give
us
their
opinion
on
certain
cases
that
might
be
proper.
G
B
D
A
Carlos
often
sends
things
to
to
me
just
to
be
nice
because
I'm
the
chair,
when
I
don't
even
understand
the
technical
aspects
of
it,
but
then
he'll
send
it
to
you
know
to
counter
elliott,
and
I
think
just
you
know,
they've
had
tremendous
expertise
and
technical
issues
and-
and
I
think
you
know
ken
will
be
around
for
a
while
longer
but
we'll
we'll
be
counting
on
you
more
just
for
you
know.
Being
the
you
know,
the
person
with
the
technical
background.
H
H
A
D
A
Going
to
be
why
why
don't
we
it's
really
late?
Why
aren't
we
yeah,
then
we
turn.
S
The
election
it
will
be
in
december
and
we
can
take
additional
nominations
from
the
floor
in
december
for
the
rules.
Okay,.