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A
So
welcome
to
the
tuesday
october
13
2020
virtual
meeting
of
the
evanson
preservation
commission.
The
first
thing
we
need
to
do
is
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
to
approve
holding
a
virtual
meeting
by
zoom,
so
I'll
call
each
commissioner's
name
and
if
you
could
indicate
if
you're
in
favor
there's
elliot.
Also
I'm
commissioner
bowden.
A
You
need
to
vote
yes
on,
holding
the
or
no
I'm
holding
the
meeting
by
zoom.
C
D
A
E
A
E
A
And
commissioner
simon
ziya
said
unanimously
in
favor
for
those
of
you
who
have
not
attended
our
meetings
or
need
a
reminder,
our
procedure
is
as
follows:
each
applicant
on
the
agenda
will
be
permitted
to
present
its
application
and
when
you
do
so,
please
take
us
through
the
most
important
parts
of
the
presentation,
even
if
they're
in
the
packet,
as
although
I
think,
we've
all
reviewed
them,
usually
there's
plenty
of
additional
elucidation
that
the
applicant
can
bring
to
the
application
for
us
to
understand
it
better.
A
After
that,
the
commissioners
can
ask
questions
and
then
we'll
give
the
any
members
of
the
public
an
opportunity
to
speak,
and
you
know
please
keep
the
comments
to
a
couple
minutes
a
person.
Then
any
final
discussion
and
a
vote.
F
Hello,
my
name
is
mary
griswold.
I
live
at
318
dempster.
I
believe
I
will
be
speaking
since
our
solar
contractor,
who
said
he
was
going
to
be
able
to
attend,
may
not
be
able
to
be
here.
He's
coming.
G
F
Yeah
he
was
on
a
trip
to
springfield,
so
he
may
be
joining
us
from
an
automobile
at
some
point,
but
I
could
certainly
make
an
attempt
to
go
through
the
packet.
I
haven't
prepared
it,
but
I
have
reviewed
it
and
it
seems
to
be
pretty
thorough.
F
This
is
a
you
know:
a
computer
simulation,
it's
missing
the
stable
at
318
and
a
half
dumpster,
which
blocks
a
fair
amount
of
the
view
of
the
back.
The
south
elevation
of
the
house.
We
are,
this
is
a
double
house.
It's
a
landmark
building
designed
by
daniel
burnham
and
the
owners
of
the
other
half
at
320
are
going
in
with
us
on
this
solar
project.
I
mean
it's
a
joint
project
of
both
sides
of
the
house.
So
that's
why
it's
one
application,
but
there
are
two
owners
involved,
just
to
clarify
that.
F
F
So
that's
what
that
picture
is
there's
another.
There's
a
number
of
these
aerial
views
which
show
the
roof
the
one.
H
F
Things
I
would
point
out,
is
our
roof
was
damaged
in
the
april
hail
storm.
So
in
looking
into
solar
options,
many
providers
were
very
hesitant
or
had
issues
about
wood,
shingle,
roofs,
and
so,
when
the
opportunity
you
know
came
along
because
of
the
hail
storm
to
redo
our
oops,
am
I
still
there
help.
F
Something
happened:
oh
there,
I'm
back
in
action
anyway,
the
idea
of
being
able
to
do
this.
The
mounting
hardware
when
the
shingles
were
off
the
roof,
was
very
helpful.
I
This
is
the
attachment
plan.
Sorry
everybody
I
was
having
some
connectivity
issues
but
because
I'm
working
off
a
hot
spot,
but
this
is
jeremy
from
fresh
coast
solar.
We
are
the
illinois
licensed
contractor.
That's
hopefully
going
to
be
constructing
this
project,
so
I
can
speak
to
any
questions
you
guys
have.
If
I,
if
I
miss
any
questions
at
the
beginning,
I
apologize
but
yeah,
I
can
run
through
anything.
You
guys
need
here.
F
I
I'm
not
sure
if
I
have
control
over
what
page
we're
on,
but
it
looks
like
mary
did
a
good
job
kind
of
breaking
down
the
first
page.
If
you
want
to
go
back
to
that
attachment
page
or
the
second.
I
Line,
I
can
pick
it
up
from
there
yep.
So
so,
if
you
see
here,
we've
got
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
dempster
street
to
the
east.
There
is
a
alley
and
to
the
west
of
the
house,
there's
an
alley
and
then
behind
there
there's
a
private
drive
between
the
house
and
the
and
that
detached
structure
which
is
no
longer
part
of
the
house.
It's
it's
owned
by
a
separate
person,
so
basically
on
the
main
kind
of
right-of-way
there
on
dempster
street.
I
This
array
will
be
totally
unseeable
because
it
is
on
the
rear
of
the
house.
Now
I've
provided
some
photos
and
a
little
bit
of
a
computer
mock-up
of
what
you
can
see
from
the
ground
if
you
are
in
the
alley,
but
but
from
the
public
way
there
it
is.
F
F
No
we're
doing
all
of
the
roof,
we're
doing
the
flat
roof
section
in
the
back,
which
is
a
bitumen,
and
you
know,
membrane
type
procedure
and
we're
also
replacing
shingles
that
are
on
the
gable
ends,
east
and
west,
which
were
also
damaged
in
the
hailstorm.
K
L
J
A
J
J
A
No,
would
anyone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve.
A
M
I
moved
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
318
and
320
dempster
street,
a
landmark
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
for
the
installation
of
solar
panels
on
the
rear
south
facing
roof.
Applicable
standards
include
alteration
one
through
ten.
E
M
C
G
A
The
second
project
is
612
johnson
avenue.
A
N
N
Okay,
sorry
I'm
this
zoom
gives
me
anxiety
so
hi
again,
everybody,
I'm
rada,
porzer
owner
of
612,
judson,
good,
to
see
you
all
again
so
here
we
are
again
we're
trying
to
tackle
another
project
of
this
home.
The
cedar
shingle
siding
is,
as
you
can
see,
in
in
pretty
severe
disrepair,
and
there
is
a
portion
of
the
sun
room
that
during
heavy
rain,
is
getting
soaked.
So
it
was
kind
of
a
in
a
timely
issue
as
well
to
try
to
tackle
this
on
the
sooner
side.
N
We
basically
did
our
research
again
trying
to
figure
out
something
that
would
look
as
close
to
the
appearance
of
the
home,
the
original
appearance
of
the
home
and
also
trying
to
have
this
be
as
economical
as
possible,
given
that
we
still
have
a
million
projects
for
this
home,
so
we
got
estimates
for
both
cedar
shingle
siding
as
well
as
hardy
board
hardy
shingle
siding,
and
it
became
pretty
clear
that
on
average
there
was
about
a
a
20
to
30
000
difference
between
hearty
shake
and
cedar
shake.
N
So
we
were
really
hoping
that
you
guys
would
be
comfortable
with
us
going
with
the
hearty
shake
given
that
it's
a
good
product,
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
paint
and
maintenance
as
well
and
yeah.
I
mean
I
welcome
any
questions
or
concerns.
N
We
did
discuss
with
our
with
the
contractor
that
we
were
gonna
use
that
we
were
hoping
we
could
use
if
he
could
do
the
corners
in
the
same
way,
and
I
forgot
carlos
what
you
what
you
called
that,
but
we
noticed
that
the
corners
had
a
very
specific
way
of
coming
together,
where
it
was
every
other
side
and
he's
comfortable
with
this.
So
yeah
I
mean
we're,
you
know
we
would
make
it
look
essentially
the
same
as
it
does
just
not
so
torn
up.
B
N
N
Some
of
these
were
photos,
so
this
this
page
is
we
measured
the
basically
the
the
the
base
of
the
shingles
and
the
exposure
and
we
researched
it
and
we
are
able
to
do
the
same
with
the
hardy
shingles.
You
can
adjust
it,
so
we
would
be
able
to
have
the
same
exposure
for
the
new
shingles
with
hardy
board.
A
Okay,
any
questions
for
the
applicant.
B
So
I
have
a
quick
question.
I
I
like
that
you're
able
to
adjust
the
reveal
to
match
the
existing.
How
will
you
go
about
matching
the
width?
I
know
here
on
the
this.
Is
the
perfect
slide
here?
You
know
you
pointed
out
that
there's
different
widths
that
are
shown
also.
Can
you
mimic
that
in
the
new
material
as
well?
Yes,.
N
D
So
can
I
I
just
so
so
I
I
don't
know
if
you
can
do
this.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
because
those
piers
are
tapered
so
with
the
heart
and
I've
never
used
the
hardy
board.
Shingles
do
you?
Actually
you
have
to
cut
them
like
as
they
so
basically
they're
just
you
can
do
that
and
you
don't
need
any
corner
boards
or
anything
he's.
D
N
N
I
don't
have
a
pro
I
mean
that
is,
you
would
have
to
go
with
a
different
product
if
it
was
five
have
products
that
are
seven
to
five
and
then
five-
and
I
don't
know
whatever
below
that.
But
we
can
go
with
the
standard
seven
to
five
and
keep
it
at
five
and
a
half.
C
E
E
Down
there,
the
the
one
in
the
the
bottom
two
one
is
where
the
girls
got
in
is
right.
Above
it.
N
Yes,
so
the
one
above
it
that
is
at
the
where
the
sun
room
roof
meets
our
master
bedroom
wall
and
the
interesting
thing
is
that
there
was
flashing
installed
in
that
area,
but
the
shingles
above
were
because
they
were
damaged.
The
rain
was
coming
in
above
the
flashing
and
coming
down
into
what
you
see
on
the
slide
to
the
right
into
the
sunroom.
The
white
shingles
are
in
the
sun
room.
E
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
6
judson
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
case,
20
prez0289
to
replace
the
cedar
shingles
on
the
home,
with
hardy
shingles
on
all
facades
and
the
shingle
installation
will
have
the
same
exposure
as
the
existing
cedar
applicable
standards
for
alteration
one
through
ten.
E
A
I'm
julie
seconded
all
right
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
bojan.
B
A
G
A
O
O
I
I'm
my
host
has
asked
me
to
start
my
video
there.
We
are
okay,
good
good,
I'm
ken
hazlett,
I'm
the
architect
for
this
project.
This
is
a
and
I
assume
that
carlos
or
someone
will
bring
the
the
packet
up
there.
We
are.
This
is
a
kind
of
classic
brick
colonial
home
early
20th
century
735
sheridan,
and
it
goes
all
the
way
to
lake
michigan.
O
O
It
is
an
interior
room,
it's
heated
air
conditioned,
but
the
structure
is
just
been
insufficient
and
is
is
really
failing
now,
so
we
would
like
permission
to
rebuild
it
in
the
same
location,
not
expanding
it
with
new
windows,
new
roof.
All
of
that
and
then,
in
addition,
they
have
right
now
no
exterior
space
private
space
on
the
back
of
their
house.
They
have
to
basically
go
down
the
stairs
and
and
walk
down
to
the
lakefront
and
they'd
like
to
have
a
a
small
covered
back
porch.
O
Really
it's
an
open
back
porch
with
a
sloped
roof
on
the
back
of
the
house,
it's
kind
of
an
extension
of
the
of
the
sun
room.
If
you,
if
you
looked
at
the
either
the
north
elevation
or
the
south
elevation,
which
is
on
the
the
next
sheet
of
elevations
there,
we
are
it
kind
of
cascades
down
the
you
know.
The
house
has
a
slope
roof
and
it
comes
down
to
the
flat
roof
of
the
sun
room,
which
is
just
a
reap
rebuilding
of.
O
What's
there
already
and
then
the
slope
roof
and
the
stairs
kind
of
cascade
down
to
the
to
the
ground
level,
and
I
think,
extend
that
that
same
feeling.
Everything
is
in
the
back
of
the
house.
O
Nothing
is
visible
from
sheridan
road
and
we
would
like
to
have
new
kind
of
marvin
windows
in
the
in
the
sunroom,
because
the
old
windows
that
are
there
now
are
just
old,
single
pane
things
that
are
that
are
really
falling
down.
There's
a
little
model.
I
always
build
a
little
model
that
shows
the
side
there.
Everything
is
existing,
except
for
the
covered
porch
that
extends
down.
We
were
going
to
have
an
ornamental
iron
railing
just
to
keep
it
up
open
so
you've,
both
from
inside
the
sun
room
and
on
the
porch.
O
A
I
I
did
have
one
aspect.
I
didn't
quite
understand
the
drawings
on
the
we
go
back
to
the
drawings
of
the.
I
said
north
side.
A
So,
where
the
existing
like
sun
porch
is.
O
A
O
That's
the
garage
that
is
next
to
it.
Maybe
if
you
move
to
the
bottom,
you
can
see
the
garage
actually
sticks
out
beyond
that.
The
existing
there's
an
existing
one-car
garage
attached
to
the
house.
If,
if
you
go
back
to
the
model,
I
think
you
could
see
it
a
little
bit
better
and
kind
of
rotate
around
you'll
see
it
right
it's
to
the
right
there
and
that,
and
if
you
go
one
more,
that's
it
they're
there
you'll
see
you
see,
there's
a
one-story
garage
next
to
it.
O
O
Yeah,
that's
true
that
that
the
the
brick,
if
you
have
an
existing
that
is
the
brick
of
the
existing
kind
of
adjoining
part
of
the
house-
that's
exposed
there,
but
it's
we've.
We've
raised
the
ceiling
and
raised
the
roof
of
the
new
sun
room
so
that
wouldn't
be
visible
any
longer.
E
Please,
okay!
Well,
when
we're
looking
at
this,
as
I
understand
that
you're
raising
the
ceiling
height
inside
that
sunroom
to
be
virtually
almost
to
the
sill
height
of
that
adjoining
trellis
thing
to
the
I
guess
it
would
be
which
way
the
to
the
south.
O
Yeah,
that's
it
that's
part
of
the
house
right,
that's
actually
enclosure
of
house
we're
not
raising
the
ceiling
inside,
but
we
are
raising
the
the
the
level
of
the
roof,
because
we
are.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
get
some
pitch
on
this
roof
to
take
the
water
off
of
it.
It's
a
it's
a
flat
roof
which
right
now
has
virtually
no
pitch,
and
so
it
inside
that
there,
the
water
would
come
down
and
run
kind
of
like
a
parapet.
O
E
Stand
out
with
a
porch
that
has
a
roof
that
looks
like
it's:
some
sort
of
metal
standing,
seam
roof;
it's
a
copper
work,
yeah,
okay!
So
there's
the
addition
of
the
porch
and
then
you've
raised
everything
up
and
all
the
windows
have
become
doors
and
whatever
else
on
the
original
sunroom.
O
Yeah,
there's
a
there's
sliding
doors
that,
instead
of
large
fixed
windows,
is
which
what
they
have
right
now,
that
would
let
give
you
access
to
the
rear
port.
E
O
O
The
site
plan
one
go
forward,
one,
if
you
could
there
it
is.
There
is
on
the
left-hand
side.
You
can
see
the
house
it's
quite
unusual
here,
because
the
house
is
literally
all
the
way
over
to
the
north
lot
line.
On
the
left-hand
side,
the
north
lock
line
and
the
the
porch
is
10
foot
over
12
foot
over
sorry
into
the
site.
So
you
really
can't
see
it
even
between
the
houses
looking
down
over
there.
You
can't
see
it.
E
L
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question,
I'd
say
potentially
from
kedzie.
You
know
there
are
a
couple
lots.
I
think
that
used
to
be
developed
along
kensey,
they're
now
vacant
and
that's
public
way
by
clark
square
park.
So
conceivably,
you
could
see
from
kenzie
or
clark
square
park.
K
E
Not
really
well,
you
obviously
can't
see
it
from
the
north,
because
that's
where
that
garage
is
right
and
the
the
party's
doing
is
really
to
the
left
of
this
doorway
and
back,
I'm
not
sure
you
would
see
it
from
the
south
either
yeah.
So
the
question
is:
is
there
anywhere
scott?
You
were
saying
possibly
over
on
kedzie
looking
west.
L
L
G
L
Back
so
those
are
vacant
lots
so
there
there
may
be
a
view.
You
know
from
the
northeast
looking
southwest
mckenzie.
O
I've
been
over
there
myself.
I
can
tell
you
right
now:
you
can't
see
over
there,
but
I
think
it's
maybe
because
of
the
fences.
There's
there's
there's.
G
O
E
G
O
Yeah
the
the
parapet
I
like
to
actually
have
a
cap,
that's
wrapped
in
the
copper,
because
the
copper
roof,
sloped,
copper
roof
comes
up
and
wraps
that
on
the
top,
you
might
be
able
to
see
that
or
I
don't
know
if
I
built
it-
that
precisely
on
there
on
the
model
kind
of
that
cap
at
the
top
of
that
roof
and
then
down
inside
it's
a
it's
a
rubber
roof,
a
vitamin
roof.
O
D
E
D
And
the
side
of
the
the
roof
of
the
porch
is
also
a
wood
panel.
O
E
O
O
No,
if
you
go
out
to
the
front
the
front
door,
it
has
a
kind
of
ornamented
entry,
it
is
a
metal
roof.
It's
been
painted.
O
You
can
see,
there's
a
there's,
a
sloped
metal
roof
on
the
entry
feature,
okay
and
columns
as
well.
O
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
kind
of
partying
off
that
for
the
open
porch
in
the
back
with
the
columns
and
the
and
I
I
thought,
the
copper
roof
would
look
good.
O
D
And
then
the
doors
on
the
porch
are,
I
didn't
see,
what
are
they.
O
They
are,
they
are
marvin.
Sliding
french
doors
is
what
they
are,
so
that
you
can
slide
them.
Yeah
sliding
french
doors,
rather
than
the
swinging
fringe
right
now,
the
existing
doors
are
there's
the
one
set
of
swinging
french
doors
and
then
the
rest
is
all
fixed.
It
doesn't
operate
at
all.
It
doesn't
ventilate
the
space
or
or
anything.
O
To
be
honest
with
you,
we
could
add
the
divided
lights
in
I.
I
think
it
was
just
a
preference
of
the
owner,
but
I
think
they'd
be
amenable
to
adding
the
divided
lights
because
they
do
exist
on
the
rest
of
the
house.
Sure.
E
E
I
mean
all
of
this
is
just
sort
of
this
flat
facade
and
I
think
this
addition
of
all
this
wood
paneling
doesn't
seem
to
use
that
same.
You
know
the
way
they
handled
it.
On
the
original
house,
I
mean
I'm
somewhat
bothered
by
this
metal
roof
too,
and
you
know
all
of
these
seem
to
be
very,
very
new
design
elements
that
didn't
exist
in
the
original
house.
D
E
A
I
mean
it's
also
elliot
it's
a
distinctively
separate.
You
know
addition
to
the
back
of
the
house,
which
you
know.
J
A
Preservation,
principles
can
be,
you
know,
doesn't
necessarily
mean
need
to
be
the
same
as
the
rest.
O
Please
we
do
usually
layer
it
up.
You
know,
out
of
you,
know,
exterior
grade
finished.
You
know
smooth
but
exterior
grade
boards
or
plywood,
but
we
don't
have
raw
edges
or
anything,
and
then
we
kind
of
layer
it
out
so
that
there's
an
ancient
plane
there
and
you
have
a
recessed
panel,
it's
a
flat
panel,
but
it's
a
recess
panel.
O
It's
all
painted
white,
because
all
the
prim
on
the
house
is
right.
That's
correct!
That's
correct!
If
you,
if
you
look
at
the
second
story
above
the
house
to
the
left,
it
has
some
solid
areas,
they're,
not
as
big
as
this,
but
you
would
see
those
under.
I
guess
the
elevation,
the
east
elevation.
D
A
Okay,
is
there
we'll
come
back
to
the
commissioners?
Is
there
any
member
of
the
public
that
wishes
to
speak
to
this
matter?.
A
Is
there
additional
discussion
from
any
of
the
commissioners?
No,
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
G
I'll
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
735,
sheridan
road
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
for
reconstruction
of
the
sun
room.
In
addition
of
a
new
open
porch
standards,
1
through
10
of
alteration
and
standards
for
construction
1
through
5,
7,
8
and
10
through
15
and
standards
for
demolition
1
through
6,
apply.
A
Second,
second,
mr
reinhold,
okay
roll
call
vote,
commissioner,.
B
C
E
A
I'm
sorry
yeah.
I
noticed
that
that
it
was
two
different
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
the
same
property.
So
the
first
one
is
the
installation
of
the
solar
array.
P
Yes
good
evening,
can
you
hear
me
yes,
okay,
and
can
you
see
my
video?
Oh
there
we
go
okay.
This
is
my
first
time
using
zoom
meeting.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
learn
the
learn
how
to
do
this
online.
I.
P
Sure
my
name
is
paul
scherzner.
I
am
a
president
of
eco
seller
solutions,
we're
the
contractor,
that's
the
gc
for
the
solar,
photovoltaic
installation.
P
P
So
this
this
building
is
is
a
historic
building,
but
it's
also
very
very
amazing.
It's
it's
really
been
a
pleasure
to
get
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
work
on
this,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
move
forward
with
this.
We
had
a
pretty.
A
Okay,
so
I
mean
you:
can
you
can
guide
scott
through
what
you
want
to
show,
but
you.
G
P
Sure
so,
if
we
can
move
forward
and
go
to
the
permit
plans
prior
to
looking
at
the
pictures,
so
I
would
like
to
first
explain
what
is
the
scope
of
work
that
we
will
be
that
we
will
be.
P
P
Okay,
so
that's
the
platus
that
was
the
platter
survey
that
we
saw
of
the
property,
and
this
is
the
system
that
we
would
be
that
we
would
like
to
install
so
this
array,
or
this
system
comprises
of
two
arrays.
There
is
the
larger
array
on
the
flat
on
the
flat
roof.
That's
at
the
top
of
the
third
story,
and
there
is
a
smaller
array
that
has
eight
modules.
P
P
If
you
can
move
forward
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
here
we
can
see
the
array
in
relation
to
the
street,
the
public
street
admire
court
to
the
south
of
the
building.
That's
where
I
believe
sheridan
road
takes
a
turn.
So
this
this
community
is
like
a
little
bit
gated.
Basically,
you
can't
you
can't
go
through
sheridan
onto
edgemere
with
a
vehicle.
P
It
takes
a
turn
going
west
on
the
on
the
west
side
of
the
so
on
on
the
other
side
of
edgemere
court,
so
east
of
the
building
is
another
building,
so
there
are
residential
homes.
There,
then,
on
the
west
side
of
the
property
is
the
alley,
so
the
driveway
goes
into
the
alley
and
then
right,
adjacent
to
the
le
are
other
properties.
P
P
P
Typically,
when
you
have
a
flat
roof
installation,
you
will
have
modules
that
will
be
facing
south
at
a
10
degree
tilt,
and
what
will
happen
is
the
top
edge
of
the
panels?
Will
protrude
about
10
to
12
inches
from
the
roof
here,
because
we
are
on
such
a
high
flat
roof
which
is
38
feet
tall
and
and
then
the
panels
will
be
at
a
10
degree,
tilt
they're
going
to
be
a
foot
and
a
half
from
the
edge
of
the
roof
and
they
will
be
facing
east
and
west.
P
P
So,
that's
something
that
we
wanted
to
show
you
here
that
how
far
away
you
would
have
to
be
as
a
person
in
order
to
actually
see
the
solar
modules
themselves
on
top
of
the
flat
roof,
and
so
when
you're
looking
at
it
from
the
south
elevation,
that's
when
you
will
see
modules
facing
east
and
west,
so
you'll
be
looking
at
the
side
of
the
array
at
the
east
elevation.
P
P
And
as
far
as
the
aesthetics
and
the
looks
of
the
system,
that's
the
that
is
the
that's
the
end
of
that.
P
If
you
could
go
back
to
the
not
the
pictures,
but
the
study
that
I
created
using
3d
modeling,
I
wanted
to
show
what
the
things
will
look
like
when
we
modeled
the
space
in
the
neighborhood
in.
P
P
Okay,
so
I
have
pictures
to
be
able
to
show
you
what
this
looks
like
in
real
life,
but
I
wanted
to
go
through
the
3d
rendering
first,
so
you
really
will
be
able
to.
G
P
P
P
And
so
we're
moving
around
the
property-
and
this
is
the
this-
is
the
northeast
corner.
So
from
the
other
side,
I
actually
made
a
mistake.
This
is
the
northwest
corner,
so
we're
just
moving
down
the
alley.
P
We're
walking
a
little
bit
south
and
that's
the
northwest
corner,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
trees
in
there,
but
you
can
actually
see
the
building
you
know
leaves
you
know
you
can
see
through
the
tree
next
slide,
please,
okay,
and
so
now
we
have,
you
know,
walked
around
and
we
are
currently
at
the
southeast
corner
of
the
southeast
corner
of
the
of
the
array.
So
that's
kind
of
the
front
of
the
house.
That's
the
site,
that's
facing
edgemere
court
again
because
of
the
height
of
the
system
and
how
inconspicuous
it
is.
P
And
that's
you
we're
moving
up
the
up
edgemere
court
a
little
bit
walking
further
north.
That's
the
other
side
of
that
same
side
of
the
building,
and
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
you
will
see
that
that's
what
it
will
look
like
from
so
here.
P
P
Please
yeah
if
we
can
start
with
the
first.
P
One
can
we
go
back
to
the
first
slide.
Thank
you.
P
P
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
this
is
kind
of
a
site
plan.
The
numbers
actually
correspond
to
that
particular
picture
that
was
taken
so
you'll
be
able
to
tell
for
yourself.
You
know
we
try
to
really
get
a
360
degree
perimeter
view,
of
course,
except
for
going
to
the
neighbor's
house
there
on
the
north
of
the
building
north
of
the
property.
So
we
will
be
taking
a
walk
through
the
drive
through
the
alley
onto
the
sidewalk
opposite
of
the
crossing
the
streets
of
sheridan
road
and
then
going
to
the
park.
J
P
P
Yeah,
so
in
the
end
we
would
be
really
excited
to
be
able
to
make
this
project
happen.
I
think
it's,
you
know
it's
amazing
architecture
that
would
be
meeting
the
new
technology
and
the
fact
that
you
really
won't
be
able
to
see
it
at
all
and
the
building
will
be
providing
providing
its
own
energy
that
that
is
really
exciting
for
us
and
the
homeowner.
P
B
Yeah
hi:
are
you
using
the
same
installation
where
it
the
panels,
face
both
directions
on
that
lower
roof?
Or
excuse
me,
I
guess
it's
on
the
higher.
B
Right
is
using
that
same
installation
where
they
face
both
directions,
or
is
that
different.
P
So
this
was
an
interesting
case
because
of
the
amount
of
tree
coverage
that
we
have
here.
When
I
run
the
shading
analysis.
Typically,
you
would
be
losing
about,
I
want
to
say,
10
to
12
percent
of
production,
because
you're
facing
east
and
west
versus
versus
facing
south.
However,
because
of
the
amount
of
tree
coverage
that
we
had
already,
this
system
is
being
handicapped
only
by
two
percent.
P
I'm
talking
about
the
top
erader,
it's
only
being
had
handicapped
by
two
percent,
because
it's
facing
east
and
west.
So,
furthermore,
if
we
had
modules
facing
south
because
of
the
inter-row
spacing
so
we
would
have
to
have
a
panel
that
would
protrude
up,
then
we
would
have
to
have
15
inches
of
space,
so
that
panel
doesn't
shade
the
panel
behind
it
and
it
would
go
on
like
that
and
so
forth.
So
we
were.
P
We
would
only
be
able
to
install
nine
and
a
half
kilowatts
of
solar
versus
here,
because
there
is
no
inter
inter-row
spacing.
We
are
able
to
install
12
and
a
half
kilowatts.
C
I
had
a
quick
question
about.
I
guess
I'm
looking
at
this
plant
in
terms
of
the
conduit
and
anything
that's
coming
down.
Is
there
anything
coming
down
the
exterior
side
of
the
house
to
power
the
solar,
or
is
that
interior.
P
So
let
me
actually
address
these
separately
because
we
have
two
separate
arrays
so
for
the
higher
roof
there
is
an
elevator
shaft,
where
you
will
see
those
two
two
little
lonely
panels,
that's
above
an
elevator
shaft,
so
we
are
doing
a
in
the
roof
itself,
we're
doing
one
penetration
for
the
conduit
and
then
running
that
conduit
through
the
elevator
shaft.
So
there
won't
be
any
conduit
on
the
outside
of
the
building
for
the
other
array,
which
is
basically
on
top
of
the
sunroom,
we
will
be
running
conduit
there.
P
P
P
You
know,
so
the
property
is
pretty
vast
there
and
we
would
run
along
the
gutter.
There's
an
all
the
gutters
on
this
building
are
actually
copper,
so
obviously
it
you
know
it
looks
like
statue
of
liberty
basically,
but
we
would
run
the
conduit
along
the
along
that
gutter
and
then
we
would
go
into
the
into
the
into
the
house
in
the
basement,
but
that
conduit
run.
P
You
won't
be
able
to
see
it
from
anywhere
because,
like
I
said
it's
next
to
a
garage
and
then
you
have
the
entire
property
on
that
side
on
the
west
side
is
fenced.
P
So
you
know
that's
that's
also
where
the
current
meter
is
so
you
can
see
the
meter
there
for
the
building.
The
the
disconnect
for
the
solar
system
will
be
next
to
the
meter.
That's
according
to
you,
know,
national
electric
code
and
and
that's
pretty
much
it.
E
I've
got
a
short
question
here,
and
this
is
only
based
on
previous
ones
that
we've
seen.
Isn't
there
some
requirement
of
access
for
fire
so
that
you
need
some
spacing?
I
think
we've
seen
some
that
have
allowed
some
space
for
firemen
to
get
around
the
panels.
P
Yeah,
no,
yes,
yes,
there!
Yes,
there
is,
and
so
therefore
we
have
a
little
bit
of
room
to
work
with.
We
first
wanted
to
go
through
get
through
this
committee
here
and
file
for
permits
and
figure
out
how
they
would
want
us
to
leave
access.
So
I
have
about
three
feet
of
space
left
on
the
roof,
so
we
have
about
two
feet
on
the
eastern
edge
and
a
foot
on
the
western
edge.
We
could
take
out
a
row
of
modules.
P
If
we
have
to,
we
still
would
have
the
we
would
still
have
the
the
the
column
of
panels
that
is
facing
east.
You
know
tilted
towards
that
way,
and
the
one
that's
facing
west
would
be
tilted
towards
that
way,
but
we
could
remove.
You
know
about
six
modules
if
we
have
to
in
the
middle
for
access.
P
We
haven't
gone
through
the
permitting
they
won't,
they
won't
well,
I
shouldn't
say
they
won't
review
it,
but
the
process
is
that
we
go
through
the
historical
committee
and
then
we
apply
for
permits.
A
Commissioners,
alaka:
do
you
want
to
make
a
motion.
B
A
A
second
welcome
elliot
second,
I'm
commissioner
bowden
aye,
commissioner
hacker
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye,
commissioner
sullivan
aye,
commissioner
idle
aye,
commissioner
dudnick
aye
and
commissioner
simon
is
yes.
So
thank
you
very
much,
sir.
A
Okay,
so
the
the
other
certificate
appropriateness
for
900
edgemere
court.
It
looks
like
maybe
reichardt
with
yourself.
K
K
K
A
All
right,
so
we
can
just
consider
the
application
withdrawn.
It
sounds
like.
K
I
think
that
they,
they
said
that
they're
not
going
to
present
tonight
so
because
of
the
change
of
windows,
so
it
could
be
continued
with
a
new
application,
but
I
think
that
safe
will
be
safe
thing
to
do
with
b2,
withdraw
it,
and
then
we
notice
with
a
different
set
of
windows.
If
that's
what
they
do.
A
All
right
so
then,
let's
I
think
we
just
can
move
on
to
the
next
manner.
Yes
is
1735,
asbury
avenue.
Q
A
President,
could
you
introduce
yourself
please?
Yes,.
Q
Good
evening,
everyone,
tom
roland
owner
of
1735,
asbury
avenue,
as
well
as
architect
and
representing
the
presentation
and
details
here.
Q
Okay,
I
think
up
on
the
screen,
where
I'm
still
seeing
the
solar
green
roof
systems,
but
this
is
the
house
at
1735,
asbury
avenue.
We
are
looking
at
doing
a
combination
of
work.
It's
a
single
residence
family
house,
we're
looking
at
doing
some
renovation
on
the
main
house,
there's
also
an
existing
coach
house
that
we're
looking
to
renovate
potentially
as
part
of
this
project.
Q
Here
we
go
and
so
there's
a
plethora
of
things
we'll
go
through
here
tonight
to
talk
about
image
on
the
upper
left.
You
can
see
the
site.
We
are
sort
of
bracketed
with
one
neighbor
to
the
south
parking
lot
to
the
north,
between
asbury,
lions
and
ridge,
directly
to
the
east
of
our
property.
Behind
our
property.
We
have
a
parking
lot
and
a
I
believe.
It's
a
three-story
commercial
office
building
and
then
to
the
south
of
that
is
the
ywca
and
their
current
expansion
of
their
residence
tower.
Q
So
in
essence,
it's
it's
a
residence
tower.
It's
a
commercial
office
building,
there's
one
residence,
the
south
and
then
a
parking
lot
for
the
commercial
building
and
shared
with
the
residential
building
that
is
north
at
ridge.
Just
off
the
screen,
there
bottom
images
below
start
to
represent
a
view
from
asbury
looking
east
in
the
center.
Is
the
house?
Is
our
house
1735
asbury
to
the
right?
Is
our
neighbor's
house
to
the
south
and
then
to
the
left
is
the
parking
lot
that
supports
the
office
and
the
residential
space?
Q
Q
It
was
done
about
six
or
seven
years
ago,
front
porch,
there's
a
driveway
that
takes
you
to
the
back,
and
then
you
have
an
existing
kind
of
little
small
mud
room
and
a
kind
of
goofy
little
open,
porch
deck
area.
That
was
there
when
we
bought
the
house
gravel
lot
area
connecting
that
the
main
house
to
the
coach
house
that
you
see
there
and
then
again
to
the
south
is
grass
and
landscaping
again
to
the
north.
Q
We
have
a
fence,
there's
a
privacy
fence
that
we
just
installed
last
year
through
the
permit
process.
This
is
a
little
tough
to
see
I
apologize.
But
again
you
see
the
main
house.
You
can
see
what
we're
proposing
to
do
the
demolition
on
the
back
of
the
main
house,
which
is
that
little
five
by
almost
ten
foot
wide
mudroom.
Q
Then
there
is
below
that
mud
room
where
it
says
the
word
wood.
There
are
wood,
bifold
doors
that
take
you
down
to
the
basement,
egress
stair
and
then
the
wood
deck
would
be
removed.
Some
of
the
concrete
there,
the
concrete
apron
at
the
coach
house
there's
a
pretty
unsightly
wood
deck
and
stairs
that.
Take
you
up
to
the
second
floor
of
the
coach
house.
Q
First
floor
is
garage
and
storage
and
then
again
to
the
property
lines
you
see
lot.
One
is
to
the
east
and
to
the
north.
Is
the
parking
lot
and
blacktop
and
then
to
the
south?
Is
my
neighbor's
driveway
their
house
and
then
in
the
south
east
corner?
Is
their
two-story
garage
that
you
see
just
on
lot?
Eight
there
next
slide
then
starts
to
show
a
little
bit
of
what
we're
proposing
again.
Q
I
apologize
that
the
smaller
scale
is
probably
tough
to
see,
but
what's
being
proposed,
is
in
the
back
of
the
main
house,
we're
looking
at
coming
off,
roughly
call
it
about
10
feet,
give
or
take
and
doing
a
covered
porch,
and
that
would
extend
pretty
much.
You
know:
7
8
the
length
of
the
back
of
the
house
on
the
north
side.
Q
Basically,
so
kids
can
run
in
and
drop
their
stuff
in
the
basement
and
then
from
that
10
foot
out.
That
would
be
a
covered
porch.
What
we're
proposing
is
a
just
an
open
deck
area
there
with
some
trellis
element
above
it
you'll
see
some
pavers
and
things
like
that
and
just
patio
stones
connecting
us
to
what
would
be
a
step
up
patio
for
access
into
the
coach
house
and
then
renovation
of
the
coach
house
and
garage
next
slide.
Then
all
right.
Q
Q
You
can
see
the
the
roof,
the
sloped
roof
there
in
the
gray
and
then
the
trellis
area,
with
the
light
wood
decking
below
that,
then
we'd
have
the
space
from
that
area
to
the
coach
house,
the
coach
house
we're
trying
to
maximize
reuse
of
existing
conditions
and
details.
There
are
some
things
that
we're
tweaking
adding
new
but
again
trying
to
maximize
reuse.
Q
The
bottom
two
images,
the
bottom
right
image
starts
to
be:
if
you're
standing
in
the
gravel
area
between
the
coach
house
and
the
main
house
looking
back
at
the
main
house,
and
so
you
can
really
start
to
see
the
scope
of
the
work
here.
Being
the
10
foot,
ish
wide
covered
porch,
you
can
start
to
see
the
stair
access
down
that
has
guard
railing
and
some
wood
railing
and
planters
around
it.
Q
Three
stairs
up
to
an
elevated
deck,
some
planter
elements
and
trellis
work
in
there
again
trying
to
evoke
some
of
the
the
sort
of
the
features
of
this
house.
I
think
built
in
1879
that
we
were
told
that
was
a
little
bit
of
an
old
farmhouse
so
trying
to
bring
some
of
those
a
little
bit
more
current,
but
also
stay
within
the
language
of
the
house.
Q
Image
on
the
left,
then,
is
looking
back
from
the
yard
at
the
coach
house
and
again
a
lot
of
the
the
details.
The
dormers
and
things
like
that.
We're
trying
and
eyebrows
trying
to
keep
in
place
we'd
be
talking
about
both
for
the
coach
house
as
well
as
the
area
being
touched
on
the
main
house.
Doing
new
siding
talking
about
hardy
hardy
board,
siding
in
the
light
tan
area.
Q
The
darker
gray
would
be
a
hardy
board,
shake
we're
looking
at
new
windows
in
the
areas
that
you
see
again
under
the
roof
on
the
main
house
as
well
as
on
the
coach
house.
These
would
be,
you
know
again
we're
pricing
with
our
contractor
now,
but
it
would
be
in
our
hopes,
pelham
marvin
anderson,
aluminum,
clad
windows
white
to
match
the
existing
house
with
probably
painted
wood.
Interiors
next
slide
then
starts
to
show
just
a
couple
more
details
of
the
house.
Q
The
top
image
there
on
the
right
starts
to
be,
as
you
were,
coming
out
of
one
of
the
exits
from
the
main
house.
So
you
see
the
wood
deck
above,
your
head
would
be
the
10
foot
covered
roof
with
the
trellis
area
and
then
you're
looking
to
the
east,
to
the
coach
house
and
a
little
bit
of
a
roof
and
canopy
there
for
the
entrance.
Q
Looking
back
at
the
main
house
and
starting
to
show
again
the
work
around
the
side
of
the
house,
the
back
of
the
house
and
this
new
element
being
attached
to
the
rear
of
the
house,
this
porch
and
open
deck
area
next
plan.
I
believe,
I'm
sorry
here
we're
starting
to
look
at
the
elevations.
Q
Is
our
existing
side
yard
elevation
and
again
it's
a
kind
of
a
combination
so
for
context
gave
you
a
photo
of
what's
existing
today
on
that
side
yard
existing
south,
and
so
really
there
is
a
little
bit
of
work
here
being
proposed
next
to
existing
electrical
feed
proposed
two
new
fixed
windows:
to
get
some
of
the
great
southern
light
into
the
first
floor,
which
is
going
to
be
basically
our
renovated
kitchen
and
then,
from
that
edge
going
to
the
east,
you
can
start
to
see
the
covered
porch
in
the
open
deck
area.
Q
The
picture
on
the
bottom
left
is
just
the
front
of
the
main
house
again
showing
you
the
sort
of
the
language
and
the
look.
It's
an
existing
front,
porch
that
we
like
the
look
and
feel
we're
always
out
there
we'd
love
to
do
one
in
the
back
of
the
house
to
just
kind
of
again
we
live
outside.
Q
Q
If
you
look
at
the
elevation,
is
keep
that
window
and
add
two
additional
windows,
so
we
just
get
more
natural
light
into
the
kitchen
area
and
then
all
the
other
windows
remain
on
this
facade
as
well
and
then
again,
you'd
start
to
see
for
the
drawn
elevation,
the
covered,
pores
and
the
open
deck.
And
then
you
see
diagrammatically
the
stairs
taking
you
down
to
the
basement
on
the
bottom
image
here.
Oh
sorry,
if
we
can
go
back
sorry,
thank
you.
The
bottom
right
image
starts
to
be
the
main
house,
the
rear
yard.
Q
So
again,
you
can
really
get
a
good
look
at
the
kind
of
the
the
little
mud
room
that
exists
there
today
up
off
that
raised
porch
with
the
door
and
again
that
porch
area,
wood,
porch
that
would
be
removed.
There's
two
existing
double
hung
windows
there
that
are
labeled
in
the
middle
there
b
and
then
to
the
right.
There's
one
fixed
single
pane
window,
labeled,
a
those
would
be
the
area
work
that
we're
talking
about
everything
from
the
new
roof
line.
Q
If
you
look
at
the
elevation,
then
to
the
left,
everything
from
that
roof
line
up
existing
to
remain
so
really
we're
talking
about
some
a
little
bit
of
surgical
work
on
this
lower
half
here
for
the
windows,
the
man
door
into
the
kitchen
on
the
right
and
then
to
the
left
of
the
back
of
the
house,
we're
talking
about
again,
probably
similar.
Q
If
it's
marvin
or
pella
sliding
windows
there
and
then
the
roof
debt
or
excuse
me
the
porch
deck
and
the
trellis
stairs
down
next
slide,
then
this
is
jumping
into
the
coach
house
and
again
we
have
some
drawn
elevations
as
well,
because
the
fence
is
sort
of
blocked
from
the
view
but
upper
left-hand
corner.
That's
the
east
elevation
so
again
we're
standing
in
the
parking
lot
to
the
east
of
us.
Looking
back
at
the
the
main
hat
at
the
coach
house,
so
there's
what
you'll
see
is
you
see?
Q
There's
two
windows
on
the
first
floor,
that
kind
of
just
appears
a
mechanical
room.
There's
you
see
a
little
bit
of
a
man
door,
peeking
above
the
fence
line
and
then
there's
a
little
eyebrow
and
a
little
dormer
that
is
on
this
elevation.
What
we'd
like
to
do
again
with
the
fence
line
with
the
parking
lot?
We
just
don't
necessarily
need
windows
since
we're
proposing
garage
space
on
the
first
floor.
Q
So
there's
no
windows
in
the
proposed
deceleration,
but
what
we're
doing
is
creating
more
of
an
architectural
dormer
between
where
there's
an
eyebrow
and
a
dormer
today
and
making
a
little
bit
larger
scale,
bringing
some
natural
light
into
what
would
be
the
kitchen
in
the
coach
house.
Q
The
bottom
left
image
is
again
standing
on
the
north
parking
lot,
looking
across
the
fence
line
at
what
is
existing
north
elevation
again,
similar
concept.
There's
one
window
center
line
of
that
garage.
We
could
we'd
taken
out.
It
could
be
put
back
in
if
we
wanted
to
and
then
there's
a
pair
of
sliding
windows
that
are
tough
to
see
they're
labeled
j
and
you
can
see
them
on
the
elevation
details
on
the
right.
There's
a
really
bad
single
pane
sliding
windows
for
some
reason
or
like
commercial
grade.
Q
We
were
just
kind
of
cleaning
up
this
elevation
with
new
windows,
a
lot
of
the
existing
trim,
and
things
like
that.
You
see
on
the
coach
house
and
on
the
main
house
salvage
as
much
as
possible
reuse
as
much
as
possible,
but
in
the
where
we
have
vinyl
siding
on
the
white
portion
of
the
house
or
the
coach
house
and
the
blue,
which
is
cedar,
shakes.
Q
We
were
proposing
hardy
board
to
match
as
much
the
best
as
possible
the
scale
and
size,
and
that
starts
to
be
the
citing
profile
details
that
you
see
on
the
bottom
right
of
this
page
next
slide.
Then
again,
this
is
probably
the
the
biggest
change,
I
would
say
in
the
coach
house,
and
it
really
happens
where
the
lower
half
of
the
coach
house
today,
it's
a
concrete
apron
with
two
garage
doors,
a
man
door
and
then
some
really
great
old
wooden
barn,
not
barn
doors.
But.
C
Q
Open
doors,
open
doors,
swing
doors
with
some
windows
in
them,
pretty
cool
doors,
we're
actually
going
to
salvage
those
and
we're
going
to
use
them
inside
the
coach
house
on
the
first
floor
as
a
goal
and
use
them
as
sort
of
barn
doors
to
separate
the
living
space
from
the
bedroom.
Just
a
little
side
note
on
the
top
half
there,
you
have
this
beautiful
existing
dormer
with
some
really
nice
scroll
detailing
above
the
window
head
and
this
kind
of
great
kind
of
faux
window.
Q
It
doesn't
let
any
light
into
space
because
of
the
lower
ceiling.
So
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
in
the
new
elevation,
at
least
in
this
portion,
the
dormer
actually
activate
that
window
we're
going
to
raise
the
ceiling
up,
so
you
can
get
natural
light
not
only
through
the
two
windows
we're
proposing
to
replace,
but
also
through
that
sort
of
specialty
decorative
window
and
really
sort
of
activate
it
and
make
it
beautiful.
The
existing
eyebrow
would
remain.
Q
We
just
put
in
new
lighting
or
excuse
me
new
windows,
the
deck
that
you
see
off
to
the
right,
which
is
quite
honestly,
dangerous.
We
don't
let
the
kids
on
we're
going
to
replace
that
with
a
simple
deck,
and
then
that
also
becomes
a
nice
canopy
coverage
for
people
going
in
and
out
of
the
coach
house
and
then
just
to
kind
of
clean
up
this
elevation,
because
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
mess,
the
thought
was:
can
we
come
in
and
just
do
three
nice
really
carriage
style?
Q
You
know
garage
doors
with
glass
lights
in
them
sort
of
mimicking
a
little
bit
of
what
was
there,
but
in
a
just
a
different
language,
and
then
the
last
picture
on
the
bottom
left
here
is
the
existing
cell.
So
again,
this
is
standing
against
my
neighbor's
fence.
Looking
south
again,
you
see
this
pretty
pretty
scary
deck
and
stairs
that
gets
removed.
We
do
have
one
window
on
the
lower
portion
of
the
garage
and
then
on
the
top
portion.
Q
There
there's
two
double
hung
windows:
there's
a
man
door
that
you
can't
necessarily
see
and
then
there's
another
to
the
right.
Another
double
hung
window:
there:
lots
of
security
bars
and
grills
on
the
exterior
those
windows.
So
again,
our
goal
is
to
just
really
clean
this
up.
We're
going
to
keep
the
existing
little
sort
of
roof
over
the
existing
man
door,
replace
it
with
a
glass
light
door.
Replace
these
three
windows
here
with
nice.
Double
hung.
Q
New
windows,
replace
the
cedar,
shakes,
replace
the
roofing,
replace
the
vinyl,
siding
and
then
put
in
the
two
man
doors
on
the
bottom
here
in
elevation
that
you
see
again
one
in
the
garage
and
one
is
the
entry
vestibule
into
the
coach
house,
and
I
think
we
have
a
couple
plans
to
run
through
I'm
sorry.
We
can
probably
fly
through
these
guys.
Q
Oh
sorry,
I
guess
we
don't
have
the
plans
basically
plans
just
to
to
talk
about
in
concept.
The
program
of
the
the
first
floor
of
the
existing
coach
house
today
is
garage
space
with
a
small
mechanical
room.
What
will
happen
in
the
future
is
a
again
two-car
garage
storage
for
kids,
stuff
and
then
first
floor
vestibule
with
stairs
up
to
the
second
floor.
Second
floor
would
be
a
roughly
850
900
square
foot
single
use
apartment.
Actually,
it's
gonna
be
for
my
in
one
so
built-in
babysitters
the
main
house.
Q
Besides
the
addition
of
the
covered
porch
and
the
trellis,
and
the
things
like
that
we
are
renovating
inside
the
house,
as
we
showed
you
adding
two
additional
windows
on
the
north
side,
two
additional
windows
on
the
south
side
and
then
the
work
on
the
east
elevation
and
then
we're
gonna
renovate.
The
inside
is
gonna,
be
reworking
that
basically
10
12
feet
in
for
a
new
kitchen
space.
G
Q
D
Oops,
so
how
did
the
front,
which
is
a
little
hard
to
see
the
front
of
the
house,
has
a
certain
vocabulary
of
the
columns
and
it's
you
just
sort
of
when
you
had
that
vocabulary,
you
you
didn't
use
it,
you
didn't
choose
to
use
it
on
the
rear
and
so
the
scale
of
those
you
know
very
what
I
don't
know
how
wide
they
are
those
posts,
but
it
just
feels
like
I
guess
my
question
is:
why
didn't
you
not
use
the
vocabulary
of
the
front
of
the
house
just
to
make
your
trellis
and
make
your
porch,
because
it
feels
really
foreign
to
the
existing
vocabulary.
Q
Yeah
and
maybe
we
could
go
back
to
the
front
house-
picture
right
right
there
back
one
there
you
go
so
yeah,
so
they're,
beautiful
columns,
they're
handcrafted,
wood
columns,
I
mean
they're,
absolutely
incredible
and
the
the
detail
on
the
cat
on
the
the
capitol
is
not
even
apparent
in
here,
but
I
mean
you
can
start
to
see
the
dark
blue,
that's
at
the
top
there
that
were
that,
still
has
to
be
painted
that
there
it's
all
hand
carved
it's,
absolutely
absolutely
incredible
there,
but
they're
tapered
columns.
Q
They
also
have
some
details
that
you
can
kind
of
see
shadow
line
with
some
carvings
in
them.
I
don't
even
know
if
you
can
replicate
that
work
today,
in
all
honesty
with
the
craftsman.
I
know
we,
so
we
we
in
all
honesty.
We
probably
kept
it
a
little
simpler
from
a
constructability
standpoint
and
a
cost
standpoint
we
are
using,
are
going
to
use
wood
columns,
they're
all
going
to
be
painted
and
trimmed
out
all
white
to
match,
and
then
we
we
have
some
similar
details
again.
Q
Q
These
columns,
they're
incredible
it'd,
be
tough
to
replicate
them,
but
we,
you
know
it's
something
we
could
study.
We
wanted
to
change
the
scale
of
them.
D
D
It's
such
a
kind
of
it's
just
it's
just
the
vocabulary
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
house,
and
it
just.
I
know
it's
on
the
back,
but
it's
all.
A
A
A
C
Hey
on
the
main
house
again,
I'm
sorry
I'm
trying
to
find
it
on
my
other
screen
here.
Deciding
existing
versus
proposed
is
is
what.
Q
The
goal
is
to
make
right
now:
it's
you
know
it's
vinyl
with
vinyl
on
the
bottom
white
and
then
cedar
shakes
on
the
light
blue,
the
top
portion
on
the
dormers,
so
we'd
like
to
unify
the
whole
house
and
coach
house
to
have
a
common
look
and
feel.
A
A
Q
D
Q
With
trim
around
them,
so
they
probably
when
that
net
they're,
probably
gonna,
be
what
seven
and
a
half
inches.
Q
Yeah,
no,
I
mean
I,
your
point
is
well
taken.
I
I
can
see
like
looking
at
this
now,
especially
for
example,
looking
at
the
bottom
elevation
bottom
left
and
then,
if
you
look
at
the
picture
on
the
upper
left
right,
that's
where
the
the
front
porch
is
and
there's
also
a
covered
carport
right.
You
see
the
two
columns
that
are
on
the
right.
Almost
on
like
the
fence
line
yeah.
I
I
now
that
I
mean
you
know
honestly
when
we
drew
this
and
looked
there
we're
like
oh
yeah.
This
looks
good.
Q
E
Well,
I
think
tom,
the
the
issue
is
that
you've
got
the
columns
for
that
covered
porch
and
even
if
you
replicated
or
at
least
tried
to
use
the
language
of
the
front
columns
and
the
ones
on
the
side.
E
Are
really
up
on
fairly
tall
pedestals
if
you
want
to
call
the
stone
a
pedestal,
yeah
right,
you
still
have
the
problem
of
this
extra
in
you
know
this
open
area
that
you've
built
out.
You
know
those
columns.
I
don't
think
you'd
be
using
the
same
type
of
language
there,
because
there
is
no
roof.
There
is
no.
Q
We're
just
back
a
couple,
one
more
or
yeah
or
yeah,
either
probably
back
either
with
this
bottom
right
image
or
this
bottom
left
image
right
yeah.
You
know
what
and
I
I
kind
of
think
now
I
mean
heck.
I
don't
know
we
kind
of
put
that
trellis
element
in
there
for
a
little
bit
of
decorative
and
hang
twinkly
lights,
and
you
know
the
routine
right,
but
I
don't
know,
maybe
it's
not
even
necessary
and
you
just
do
nice
columns
there
and
then
you
get
rid
of
the
trellis
thing.
D
Q
C
Q
E
J
E
And
I
think
that
would
solve
it,
but
if
you
go
back
to
your
two
renderings
wherever
they
were
well
either
that
one
this
one,
you
know
the
one
in
the
lower
right
begins
to
look
like
you've
got
this
nice
porch
that
wants
those
same
columns
and
that
really
raises
the
question
of
that
trellis.
I
think
the
trellis
could
have
been
a
separate
element.
I
wonder
whether
if
you
pulled
the
deck
out
and
literally
made
it
a
freestanding
element,
you
know
even
with
its
own
columns
and
and
a
little
better
detail
at
the
top.
E
Q
Q
E
J
C
G
A
C
C
Which
is
just
a
historic
feature,
speaking
to
the
use
of
the
the
you
know,
coach
house
originally,
but
but
I
guess
I
would
give
more
leeway
since
it's
not
a
landmark.
It's
just
contributing.
Q
Q
B
Speaking
of
those
doors
had
you
given
thought
to,
you
know
the
three
new
doors
that
you
have
kind
of
have
you're
introducing
kind
of
a
ribbon
at
the
top
of
the
the
windows
at
the
top.
Did
you
give
in
consideration
to
having
those
mimic
the
original
ones
that
were
there
a
little
bit
more
with
the
with
the
six
lights
over
the
three
panels?
Yeah.
Q
Like
or
disliked
the
sort
of
angled
piece,
the
the
the
single
row
light
felt
better
it
it.
It
felt
really
proportionately
odd
with
the
two
rows,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
ended
up
with
just
a
single,
cleaner,
simpler
roll.
B
What
about
the
three
panels?
Because
that
diagonal
element
is
definitely
a
new,
a
new
style
that
you're
kind
of
introducing
a
new
element
that
you're
introducing.
Q
E
Q
E
E
You
know
barn
doors
that
really
mimic
the
you
know
the
divided
light
and
you've
got
the
same
three
small
pieces
of
glass
that
you
could
just
come
down
with
a
vertical
element.
B
All
right
right,
it'll
tie
in
better
there
and
one
more
question
just
about
the
siding.
So
the
the
main
house
already
has
new
hardy
board
and.
Q
Q
Q
That
is
beyond
my
eyes
all
right.
The
existing
vinyl
siding
is
four
inches
of
the
white
and
then
there's
a
three
inch
trim
on
the
corners
and
then
there's
a
six
inch
sheet
metal
banding
where
it
meets
the
roof.
The
hardy
board
trim
vertical.
So
it
then
we'd
be
going
six,
six
three
and
a
half.
So
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
slightly
larger
profile.
Q
B
Q
A
D
Oh
no,
I
think
we
should
see
this
revision
to
this
because
there's
a
lot
of
changes
we've
been
talking
about,
and
I
don't
know
what
tom
will
do
so,
but
I
mean
I
would
say:
oh
yes,
you
should
try
to
relate
the
garage
and
the
house
and
the
main
house.
If
you're
going
to
change
those
columns,
you
should
relate
them
to
each
other,
so
I
think
we
should
see
it
again.
A
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
everybody
likes-
that
you're
doing
the
project
and
it's
at
its
heart.
You
know
going
to
be
approved,
but
it
the
changes
are
going
to
affect
well
the
appearance.
Quite
a
bit.
Yeah.
Q
Do
I
do
I
need
to
update
the
rendering
what
would
be
like
ideal
for
this
group?
Do
you
need
you
want
to
see
this
whole
package
updated
or
is
it
purely
just?
Do
the
elevations
and
maybe
do
the
renderings
or
what
just
so
make
sure
I
deliver
what
you
guys
would
obviously
the
rear,
elevations
the
side
elevations
so.
Q
D
Q
J
Q
J
Okay,
yeah.
Q
We
can
do
that
any
other
questions
or
comments.
While
I
mean
I
know
you
guys
got
a
long
night,
so
I
appreciate
it,
but
anyway.
Q
It's
it's
an
incredible
house,
my
wife
will
never
let
me
get
rid
of
it.
I'm
sure
we,
you
know
we
we
sold
our
house
on
sorry.
We
found
this
house
in
the
course
of
a
we
found
it
on
a
friday,
bought
it
on
a
sunday
right.
While
we,
while
we
were
selling
our
other
house,
it
was
insanity,
but
we
love
it.
It's
a
it's,
an
old
old,
beautiful
boned
house
and
it's
good
to
finally
kind
of
bring
it
back
to
life.
D
D
Okay,
I
make
a
motion
that
the
property
at
1735,
asbury
avenue
case
number
20
prez-0293
is
will
be.
Oh,
my
god.
What's
the?
What
am
I
what's
the
truth,
quick
we'll
be.
D
Thank
you
so
much.
We
continue
to
the
commission
hearing
next
month
november.
D
November
10th,
thank
you
my
last
meeting
november
10th
for
the
coach
house,
exterior
renovation
and
the
main
house
edition
and
cover
deck
edition
and
porch
edition.
A
Thanks
a
second,
please,
directly,
elliott.
Second,
we're
all
call
commissioner
bowden.
A
D
A
R
So
thank
you
for
putting
us
on
tonight's
agenda.
I
know
we
were
originally
for
next
month,
so
this
is
a
home
and
by
the
way
I
have
the
owners
on
here
as
well.
If
we
need
to
ask
them
anything,
so
this
is
a
really
great
home
right
on
the
lake
1906,
an
all
masonry
building.
A
R
So
if
you
just
want
to
kind
of
move
through
the
plan,
so
the
things
you
can
see
on
the
site
plan
that
we're
reworking
are
the
solar
panels
facing
south
and
I'll
talk
about
those
in
a
little
bit
and
then
there's
a
we're
taking
off
the
deck.
This
home
is
has
an
easement
agreement
with
illinois
landmarks,
except
on
the
west
facade,
so
all
the
facades
and
the
roof
we
are
also
adding.
If
you
go
to
the
next
image.
R
This
is
just
showing
the
floor
plan
so
they're
the
main
floor.
We're
not
really
doing
that
much
except
for
the
kitchen.
The
work
basically
is
in
the
west
half
of
the
building.
If
you
go
to
the
next
plan,
you'll
see
we're
enlarging
the
kitchen
and
modifying
a
bathroom
and
things
like
that.
The
primary
thing
is,
there
is
a
sun
room
on
the
southeast
corner
that
currently
does
not
have
a
door
out,
so
you
go
into
the
sun
room
and
you
can
see
the
lake,
but
you
can't
get
there
and
it's.
R
This
house
is
funny
because
I
don't
know
that
they
actually
took
the
lakeview
into
account
when
they
built
this.
It's
almost
as
if
it
was
a
stock
plan
or
something
similar
to
that,
because
it
really
doesn't
address
the
lake
as
much
as
it
should.
So
we
want
to
add
a
door
where
a
pair
of
windows
are
and
then
have
a
stone
step
coming
down.
R
That
is
similar
in
design
to
the
stairs
that
are
on
the
north
and
then,
if
you
go
to
the
next
image,
this
is
the
existing
second
floor
and
basically,
what
we're
doing
is
putting
the
master
bedroom
on
the
east
and
we
are
adding
a
window.
If
you
go
back
one
slide,
you
see
on
the
east
wall
just
to
the
south
of
the
common
closets,
we're
adding
a
window
there
and
you'll
see
on
the
elevation
y.
R
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
that
window
pop
in
and
then
up
in
the
attic,
just
kind
of
very
minimal
work
and
same
in
the
basement.
The
next
two
slides,
the
next
three
slides
and
then
we'll
get
to
the
elevations.
R
I
mentioned
in
the
lower
left,
there's
that
arched
window
and
we're
going
to
put
a
door
in
there
on
the
upper
in
the
attic
there's
a
slider
which
is
clearly
from
the
1970s
or
80s
and
we're
changing
that
to
what
was
there,
which
are
double
hung
windows
and
then
the
key
thing
is
we're
adding
this
one
window
in,
on
the
second
floor,
to
the
left
of
that
diamond
detail
that
matches
the
window
to
the
right.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
it
and
it's
symmetrically
set
about
that
diamond.
R
So
that
diamond
is
dead
center.
In
that
masonry
area,
you
can
see
the
doors
that
are
in
place
in
lieu
of
the
two
windows,
and
you
can
see
the
new
double
hungs
in
lieu
of
the
slider
go
to
the
next
image.
R
So
this
is
the
north
facade.
There's
two
sets
of
casement
windows
on
the
third
floor.
Those
are
not
original
either,
so
we're
replacing
those
and
there's
an
image
from
a
real
estate
ad
from
the
1950s
that
was
in
the
packet
that
shows
that
those
were
double
hungs
that
were
divided
and
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
put
those
in
as
well.
R
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
image,
you'll
see
that
and
we
are
because
we're
adding
a
solar
array
on
the
south,
we're
taking
out
one
skylight
that
was
there
so
we're
adding
a
new
skylight
on
this
north
facade.
So
you
can
see
that
in
the
roof
and
then
there's
the
deck,
which
is
a
trellis
deck
on
the
right,
and
you
can
just
barely
see
the
stairs
coming
down
on
the
far
left
go
to
the
next
image.
R
So
here
the
main,
the
main
couple
things
are:
there's
a
very
small
dormer
in
the
center
of
the
south
roof
that
is
in
a
storage
room.
That
is
really
a
nothing
room,
so
we're
removing
that
to
put
the
solar
panels
in,
and
then
you
see
on
the
second
floor,
that
very
tiny
window
that
is
being
replaced
with
another
window
of
a
similar
window
as
the
other
ones.
On
the
second
floor.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
image,
you'll
see
that
so
this
is
a
7.5
kilowatt
array.
R
The
one
that
was
presented
before
was
about
a
10.5.
I
have
a
funny
feeling:
ours
is
going
to
generate
more
power,
it's
facing
south
at
35
degrees,
which
is
almost
perfect
unobstructed,
and
that's
that's
that
facade.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
image,
this
is
the
west.
So
right
now
there's
a
deck.
That's
made
of
kind
of
a
poured
deck
made
of
trucks
and
we're
going
to
replace
that
and
also
those
casement
windows.
R
On
the
first
floor,
we're
going
to
change
these
all
to
we're
changing
the
layout
slightly.
Those
are
going
to
become
doors
that
come
off
of
the
kitchen
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
image,
you'll
see
that
and
then
there's
an
additional
door
that
becomes
a
kind
of
a
juliet
balcony.
That's
matching
that
so
there's
the
rhythm
of
those
going
around
and
then
there's
a
door
to
the
mud
room
to
the
right
and
it's
slightly
covered.
The
trellis
has
a
slight
roof
over
that.
R
So
when
they
come
in
from
the
garage
they
have
a
covered
area
to
go
in
and
we
changed.
If
you
go
back
one,
I'm
sorry
the
stair
going
down
to
the
basement,
we
changed
that
it
was
coming
in
from
the
north,
and
now
it's
coming
in
from
the
south.
You
actually
had
to
open
a
hatch
in
the
deck
to
get
to
it,
which
wasn't
very
practical,
so
go
to
the
next
image.
So
this
is
showing
the
image
of
the
solar
panels.
R
This
is
really
the
most
minimal
view
of
the
house,
because
it's
on
a
corner,
I
don't
think
it's
inappropriate
to
show
the
solar
panels.
I
kind
of
like
that.
I
think
it's
a
good
education
and
I
I
don't
see
any
issue
with
that.
So
this
is
a
photograph
with
the
3d
model
put
in
in
the
background.
So
that's
the
accurate
view
of
what
that
looks
like
go
to
the
next
image
and
that's
an
aerial
view
of
that.
So
you
can
see
the
solar.
R
You
can
see
the
door
being
put
in
leading
out
of
the
sun
room
on
the
first
floor,
the
additional
window
and
the
window
being
corrected
on
the
third
floor
and
then
that
other
square
wind,
I'm
sorry
rectangular
window
on
the
south
at
the
second
floor,
go
to
the
next
image.
And
so
this
is
the
east
view.
R
You
can
see
that
new
window
put
in
and
and
then
you
can
see.
I
think
the
I
think
the
masonry
detail
is
not
correct
in
this
image.
I
think
it's
down
a
little
bit,
but
anyway,
the
new
windows
on
the
attic
and
then
the
door
and
the
steps
leading
down
to
the
yard
go
to
the
next
image.
R
R
So
these
are
just
the
images
of
the
house.
Gotta
say
it's
got
one
of
the
coolest
garages.
I've
ever
seen.
That's
the
bottom
middle
picture.
R
This
is
that
picture
from,
I
believe
the
mid
50s
and
you
can
see
the
third
floor
windows
are
in
fact,
double
hung
with
upper
sash
divides,
so
we're
replicating
that
and
go
to
the
next
image,
and
then
these
are
just
the
pictures
of
the
existing.
So
you
can
click
through
those,
but
those
are
showing
what's
existing.
R
There
and
the
contextual
homes
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
next
slide.
These
are
some
of
the
close-up
details.
So
the
interesting
thing
about
the
door
that
image
on
the
upper
right
is
a
drain.
That
sunroom
was
obviously
open
many
years
ago
and
that's
a
drain
coming
off
of
it.
Someone
had
put
spray
insulation
and
painted
it
we're
going
to
take
care
of
that,
but
that
detail
of
the
brick
goes
around,
and
so
that's
where
the
door
would
be
sitting
so
we'll
put
limestone
in
under
the
door.
But
it's
already
projected
out
right.
R
There
go
to
the
next
image,
and
these
are
just
some
details
of
the
existing
windows.
They
have
currently
aluminum
triple
tracks,
we're
going
to
remove
those
we're
going
to
remove
the
existing
windows
and
strip
them
to
remove
the
lead
and
then
rebuild
them
with
historically
correct
materials
and
then
put
a
historically
correct
wood
storm
window
and
then
a
separate
screen
window.
R
The
storm
window
will
have
a
hard
coat
low
e
coating
on
it
for
efficiency
and
go
to
the
next
image,
and
these
are
details
of
those
various
windows
might
be
one
more
image.
I
think
so.
That's
just
more
details
of
those
windows,
oh
and
then
the
solar
panel.
So
what
we're
doing
is
we're
removing
the
tile
roof
where
those
are
going
and
then
re-flashing
re-roofing
that
area
and
then
setting
the
panels
into
that.
D
R
D
So
so
this
is
just
a
question
for
carlos
and
scott,
I
guess
and
mark
when
the
so,
because
I
don't
this
process,
we
really
haven't
dealt
with
the
easement.
You
know
issue
where
someone
has
to
also
go
through
landmarks
illinois
for
for
that,
that's
a
separate
process,
and
I
think
that-
and
I
have
no
idea
nate
if
that
I
was
there
once
and
I
found
that
that
was
more
restrictive
than
maybe
this
commission
so
carlos.
How
does
that
work
if
we
approve
it,
but
landmarks
illinois
doesn't
landmarks
illinois.
D
K
D
Right
so
I
guess
what
happens
is
so
so
if
we
approve
it,
I'm
just
saying
if
we
approve
this
tonight
and
then
nate
doesn't
get.
D
K
Will
it
will
depend,
you
know
if
the
changes
are
minimizing,
even
though
whatever
the
solar
panels
or
any
other
okay,
the
building
you
know
yeah,
but
I
don't
think
that
the
landmarks
can't
necessarily
take
what
the
city
is
proving
it's
it's
a
separate
private
and
with
the
owner.
So.
R
So
let
me
let
me
bring
up
one
point,
so
suzanne
germain
from
illinois
landmarks
mentioned
she
would
be
here
in
this
zoo
meeting.
I
don't
necessarily
see
her
on
this
list,
so
I
don't
want
to
talk
if
she's,
not
here
I
mean
if
she's
here
she
can
speak
right.
It
looks.
A
Like
she
is,
there's
somebody
from
landmarks
illinois
on
the
okay.
H
H
They
can
certainly
you
know,
get
a
permit
from
you
get
approval
from
you
and
get
a
permit
from
the
city
and
do
the
work
and
then,
if
it
was
something
that
we
didn't
approve,
then
we
would
have
to
work
with
the
owner
to
to
rectify
that
and
and
kind
of
vice
versa.
If
they
did
work
that
we
approved
and
you
didn't
approve,
then
then
the
city
would
have
to
work
with
them
on
that.
H
H
K
J
H
K
Right,
I
just
want
to
clarify
and
scott-
maybe
you
can
also
chime
in
on
this.
You
know
again
it's
a
private
agreement
with
la
mercedes
and
the
owner
and
because
we're
issuing
the
permit
and
reviewing
the
application
under
the
ordinance,
it's
a
separate
review,
and
hopefully
we
will
concur
on
what
will
be
approvable.
K
But
I
think
that
in
my
mind,
what
it
takes,
president,
is
the
the
city's
approval.
That's
because
we
use
the
permit
now
if
landmarks
illinois
approve
something
and
the
commission
may
not,
I
will.
I
would
find
that
very
hard
to
even
point
pinpoint
an
example,
because
it
it
it's
my
experience
that
they
always
have
a
very
meticulous
review
process,
perhaps
even
harder
than
evanston
in
some
ways
have
an
incentive.
G
R
D
R
D
R
Original
owner
has
saved
and
there's
quite
a
range
of
stuff
down
there,
but
there
are
definitely
a
lot
of
tiles.
I
mean
I
I
think
the
goal
is,
and
I
know
one
of
the
standards
is
to
be
able
to
reverse
this.
D
D
R
Yeah
so
obviously
the
the
decking
we're
gonna
check,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
gonna
be
a
new
membrane
on
there
and
it's
going
to.
R
You
know-
and
you
can
see
this
standoff
for
the
for
the
racking
equipment
water
will
go
underneath
it
and
then
get
kicked
out.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
getting
into
the
roof
structure.
It'll
be
all
kind
of
like
a
little
bathtub
and
the
panels
are
set
in
there.
D
Well,
I
have
one
question:
the
windows
on
the
that
are:
are
there
metal,
like
their
wood
windows,
just
describe
the
windows,
the
windows
that
you're
putting
in
are
going
to
be
restored.
Single
glazed
wood
is
that
right.
R
So
they're
going
to
be
single
glazed
wood
with
all
the
correct.
You
know,
copper,
crimping
and
all
that
right.
Then
there's
going
to
be
the
storm,
no
glass,
but
it's
got
that
low
e
hard
coat.
That's
made
for
that,
so
those
function
actually
quite
well.
Those
will
be
as
nearly
as
good
as
any
double
glazed
glass.
R
I
mean
they're
not
going
to
have
argon
in
them,
but
they're
going
to
be
very
high
performance
relative
to
certainly
single
glaze
they're,
going
to
be
very
close
to
a
very
high
performance,
double
glaze
and
this
house,
by
the
way
they're
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
of
interesting
things,
we're
going
to
try
and
do
it
as
all
electric
so
that
we
have
a
zero
carbon
here.
All
sorts
of
things
like
that
the
owners
are
very
committed
to
having
a
healthy
interior.
R
Q
R
B
Guess
just
one
comment
kind
of
similar
to
salvaging
the
clay:
roof.
Tiles
is
same
with
the
little
square
window.
I
think
that's
an
original
window
that
you'll
be
removing
from
the
little
dormer
that
that'll
be
removed.
R
Sure,
that's,
that's
the
that's
an
easy
one.
Absolutely
yeah.
A
All
right,
what
would
a
commissioner
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve.
E
Well,
nobody
else
is
because.
D
E
Long
long,
it's
really
easy
just
say
everything
on
the
list.
I
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
witness
for
1044
lakeshore
boulevard
in
the
lakes
lakeshore
historic
district
case
20
pres
0294
for
restoring
all
the
existing
windows
and
removing
the
existing
lead
and
refinishing
them,
removing
all
the
aluminum
storm
windows,
maybe
not
all
the
aluminum
storm
windows,
replacing
them
with
wood
storms.
I
won't
get
into
the
low
the
hardy
finish,
nate,
removing
the
existing
windows
from
the
sunroom
on
the
east
facade
and
providing
french.
E
Let's
call
them
french
doors,
it
says
french
style
doors.
I
don't
know
what
that
means,
provide
new
stairs
off
the
sun
room
doors
and
new
landscaping
on
the
east
lawn.
Removing
the
existing
aluminum
slider
windows
on
that
are
not
original
to
the
home
in
the
attic
of
the
east
facade
and
providing
a
set
of
double
hung
windows
that
will
match
the
existing
windows
and
I
believe
what
was
originally
there.
E
Removing
the
existing
casement
windows,
not
original
in
the
attic
of
the
north
facade,
providing
a
set
of
double
hung
windows
original
windows
were
double
hung:
removing
the
existing
casement
window.
On
the
second
floor
of
the
south
facade
and
providing
a
double
hung
window,
removing
the
existing
deck
and
providing
a
new
deck
and
revised
new
door
and
window
openings
on
the
first
floor
of
the
west
facade,
I
believe
it
would
be.
A
That
was,
if
you
never
make
another
emotional,
yet
that
was
really
impressive.
Second,.
A
Seconds
all
right,
we're
all
called
the
commissioners
commissioner
bergen
aye,
commissioner
hacker
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye,
commissioner
sullivan.
A
K
Yes,
mr
chairman,
I
provided
initially
the
edited
version
of
the
august
11th
meeting
and
then
subsequently,
I
sent
to
you
the
clean
copy
with
the
edits,
and
then
I
also
send
the
september
8
minutes,
which
I
did
not
receive.
Any
comments.
In
fact,
elliot
said
that
he
didn't
have
any
comments.
Our.
A
Okay,
so
can
we
take
a
vote
just
to
approve
both
sure
all
right?
Let's
just
do,
and
if
we
need
much,
let's
just
do
a
raw
call,
though,
to
approve
both
commissioner
bowden.
A
All
right,
we'll
do
a
separate
one
with
someone.
Please
make
a
motion
to
provoke
a
slump,
elliott.
A
Alaka
ii,
okay,
so
we
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
august
11th.
Commissioner
bowden
hi,
commissioner
hacker
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye,
mr
sullivan
aye
idol.
A
Dudnick
and
I'm
an
eye
and
the
was
it
2401
ridge
from
that
meeting,
they
404
2404.
So
they
went
to
city
council
to
appeal
and
they
could
not
get
even
a
second
on
emotion,.
A
Improvements,
we
had
turned
them
down.
D
A
E
Right
wow,
I
wanted
to
say
that
I
know
I
went
painstakingly
over
that
part
of
the
minutes
and
kept
changing
it
probably.
E
B
Know
I
mean
that
they
couldn't
get
a
second
from
the
appeal.
A
B
A
A
Well,
they
they
previously
appealed.
That's
the
requirement
that
they
do.
You
know
all
the
work
right
you
per
the
original
approval.
They
then
went
and
did
some
work
and
they
came
back
to
us
and
again
asked
for.
A
E
L
Think
could
mr
chairman
of
memphis
commissioners,
it's
not
on
the
agenda
tonight
to
me
if
we
could
just
keep
yeah.
A
C
K
Okay,
thank
you.
So
the
next
item
is
the
preservation
and
sustainability
collaboration.
We
received
the
memo
from
the
utilities.
Com
with
their
recommend
to
you
know,
adopt
the
guidelines
and
they
have
a
couple
of
comments
in
regard.
K
K
Recommendation
from
the
tildes
commission
with
the
dialogue
and
comments
and
also
the
environmental
board,
they
voted
for
the
version
that
was
earlier
version
to
that
one.
So
we
do
have
the
commission
environmental
board
and
the
utilities
commission
now
on
the
same
page
as
far
as
the
guidelines
is
concerned,
so
the
next
step
would
be
to
you
have
now
the
guidelines
that
would
be
the
first
step
towards
incorporation
into
the
rules
and
procedures
that
the
commission
can
officially
do
that
next
month.
K
L
K
Yes,
there
will
be
we,
you
know
they
will
change
the
sequence
in
terms
of
the
number
of
sections
we
have.
A
Okay,
so
they'll
be
added
to
our
rules
and
procedures.
Will
there
be
any
kind
of
we've
got
all
these
other
commissions
online,
which
was
hard
work?
Would
there
be
any
kind
of
reporting
or
in
a
relationship
to
the
city.
L
I
think
we
intend
to
provide
an
update
to
the
planning
development
committee
at
the
the
city
council.
I
believe
that's
where
the
referral
came
from
and
then
update
them
on
this
process
and
where
we
are
with
it.
A
All
right,
carlos
was
there
anything
else
for
tonight's
meeting.
K
The
only
item
that
we
had
two
members
of
or
two
applicants
for
appointment
to
the
commission
and
the
last
minute
scott
made
an
observation
that
ken
hazel,
who
applied
and
was
nominated
for
appointment,
actually
does
not
leave
or
is
not
a
president
or
evan
evanson.
He
has
a
business
in
evanston.
He
is
a
former
president
evanston.
So
at
that
last
minute
we
had
to
contact
the
city
manager's
office
and
let
them
know
that
the
ordinance
requires
residency
in
order
to
become
a
commissioner,
so
they
pull
his
name.
K
That
means
that
we
will
have
one
appointment
rather
than
two,
and
I
guess
mark,
if
you
don't
mind,
maybe
send
another
email
to
the
mayor
to
remind
that.
We
have
mr
jacobson,
who
apply
actually
was
the
first
applicant
out
of
the
batch
of
three,
so
maybe
to
be
reconsidered
for
appointment.
K
A
A
A
I
mean
I'm
just
I'm
just
asking:
we
have
several
openings
still
and
you
know.
I
think
that
the
city
on
the
whole
would
really
appreciate
it.
If
we
had
people
not
only
with
with
the
expertise,
architectural
expertise,
we
definitely
need
other
backgrounds,
and
you
know
some
of
the
commissioners
who
are
no
longer
the
commission
really
kind
of
rounded
out
the
commission
in
every
way
with
their.
You
know,
different
points
of
view
and
certainly
were
entertaining
yes.
C
K
Yes,
so
in
other
words,
anybody
can
go
directly
to
the
website
and
apply
directly.
They
don't
necessarily
need
to
go
through
me
or
scott,
but
when
people
refer
a
name
to
me
I'll
contact,
the
person
talk
a
little
bit
given
what
it
takes.
The
time
to
dedicate
you
know
to
be
a
commissioner,
give
a
little
bit
of
an
overview,
and
you
know
some
people
will
entice
to
do
it,
and
but
anybody
can
now
access
the
website
and
apply
for
any
of
the
course
and
committee's
commissions
directly.
A
A
C
I
K
Like
just
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
C
K
That
we
usually
acknowledge
their
work,
the
meeting,
but
unfortunately
we
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that,
although
directly,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
service
for
six
years.
K
K
Drink
well,
we
would
have
november
is
their
last
day
as
commissioners,
so
they
will
have
an
opportunity
to
attend
the
november
10th
meeting.
E
K
A
Okay,
all
right
speaking
of
a
drink,
would
somebody
like
to
bring
emotion
to
a
charm.