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A
A
So
I
guess
I
or
carlos
scott
I'll
call
each
of
your
names
and
have
to
record
each
of
your
votes
separately,
and
my
understanding
is
that
that
the
city
attorney's
informed
that
has
to
apply
to
even
procedural
votes.
So
to
start
with.
If
somebody
could
move
that
to
waive
meeting
rules
and
allow
members
in
the
public
to
participate
electronically
or
by
telephone.
C
A
Commissioner
hecker
a
second
in
favor,
commissioner
idle
commissioner
hacker.
D
A
And
I'll
vote
aye,
okay,
so
for
those
for
people
participating
in
this
hearing
other
than
commissioners.
Generally
speaking,
what
we'll
do
is
have
the
representative,
the
applicant
identify
themselves,
their
relationship
to
the
applicant
and
present
their
application?
A
Then
we'll
have
the
commissioners
can
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
we'll
give
any
member
of
the
public
who's
here
to
speak
about
a
particular
matter,
an
opportunity
to
speak
again
after
identifying
themselves,
and
there
will
be
any
final
discussion
and
a
vote
on
the
matter.
So
the
first
matter
is
1204
sherman
avenue.
E
E
A
A
So
you
should
describe
the
the
work
sufficiently,
so
we
can
understand
it
and
then
to
the
extent
we
need
scott
to
change
the
pages
to
move
for
the
application.
Just
you
know,
please
ask
him
to.
E
Okay,
so
we're
proposing
to
do
a
pocket
for
a
replacement
several
different
companies,
different
contractors
call
them
different
things:
window
replacement
every
everywhere
that
we
propose
to
to
replace
a
window
on
the
first
and
second
floors.
What
that
entails
is
removing.
This
is
a
good
picture.
E
If
you
you
look
closely
at
the
at
the
windows,
they're,
actually
storm
windows,
and
then
around
is
aluminum
cladding,
the
the
interior,
the
idea
by
the
pocket
is
you
remove
the
as
little
material
as
possible
and
you
get
a
nice
flat
surface
to
then
affects
the
the
new
replacement
window.
So
what
comes
off,
of
course,
is
the
swarm
window
and
that
aluminum
cladding
and
then
the
two
sashes
they
stop
in
in
the
middle
and
the
outside.
The
parting
stop
and
the
exterior
stop,
and
that's
it.
E
The
counterweights
come
out,
the
pockets
are
filled
with
insulation
and
the
whole
new
window
goes
in
now
on
the
exterior
there
are,
we
should
have.
E
The
some
of
the
windows
are
are
in
some
serious
disrepairs,
so
we
will
probably
have
this
option
to
keep
the
aluminum
cladding
off
and
that
way
it
preserves
whatever
original
or
you
know,
older
wood
is
underneath
a
couple
of
the
pictures
if
we
may
skip
around
for
a
second,
a
couple
of
the
pictures
show
a
black
trim
and
that
that
actually
might
might
be
so
right
there
yeah
the
window,
both
those
first
four
windows
show
a
black
trim
that
might
be
present
underneath
that
aluminum
cladding
elsewhere.
E
That
may
or
may
not
be
historic,
but
it's
definitely
more
historic
and
and
older
and
more
original
than
the
aluminum
cladding.
That's
there
now,
so
we
will
most
likely
have
the
option
of
inserting
the
replacement
window
and
keeping
that
exterior
aluminum
cladding
off
to
make
it
look
as
historic
as
possible,
and-
and
I
even
have
a
oh
yeah,
there's
another
side
of
the
house
where
there's
the
cladding
around
the
trim.
E
E
E
And
that's
the
kitchen
window
that
actually
so
actually
do
you
mind
going
back
one.
This
one
was
actually
a
replacement
window.
This
is
the
only
window.
That's
not
original,
and
forgive
me.
I
didn't
get
the
history
on
this
exact
window,
whether
it
was
replaced
during
the
current
owner's
tenure
there
or
not,
but
this
is
an
example
of
what
a
replacement
window
with
that
stop.
Capping
could
could
look
like
where
we
don't
have
to
wrap
the
entire
exterior
frame
with
you
know
a
historic.
E
There
that's
an
example
of
a
wood,
clad
window
corner
section,
so
it
is
indeed
I
mean
our
window.
One
of
the
things
we
pride
ourselves
on
at
the
palace,
specifically
is
our
wood
windows
are
almost
entirely
wood.
We
definitely
treat
it.
We
have
a
specific
treatment
process
that
treats
against,
of
course,
water
and
rot,
but
in
addition,
mold
mildew
and
bugs
and
there's
just
a
thin
layer
of
aluminum
cladding
on
the
outside,
to
make
it
more
maintenance,
free
and
more
weather
resistant.
E
E
E
E
That
is
most
certainly
present
inside,
and
you
know
the
attention
to
detail
with
the
bottom
rail,
the
part
where
the
handle
attaches
where
and
any
handle,
whether
it's
a
replacement
window
or
or
an
original
window.
The
bottom
rail
is
thicker
than
the
two
two
sides
of
the
top
on
the
bottom.
Sash
proportions
are
maintained
even
on
the
inside.
We
could
use
this.
We
can
use
spoon
lock
hardware
to
mimic
what
you
know.
What
could
potentially
have
been
there
originally.
G
E
May
I
attempt
to
share
my
screen
and
is
that
going
to
work
because
I
have
a
p,
I
put
together
a
picture
like
a
side
like
almost
a
side
by
side
picture
of
so
normally
we.
E
E
B
E
Now
am
I
sharing
something?
Yes,
okay,
so
here
let
me
zoom
in
so
these
were
the
original
windows
right
here
and
right
here
you
can
even
tell
you
can
see
the
grilles
on
the
original
interior
windows
there
you
can
tell
these
are
storm
windows
and
then
same
here
on
this
side
on
this
set
of
windows
here,
but
then
down
here
are
the
stop
capped
windows.
Normally,
what
we
do
on
an
install
is
all
that
green
cedar
around
the
windows
is
original.
E
What
we
normally
do
is
we
much
as
I
normally
we
can
obviously
stop
cap,
it's
a
thing.
So
what
we
do
I'd
say,
70
of
the
time
is
we
cover
all
of
that
wood
in
some
kind
of
aluminum
trim.
Usually
when
homeowners,
you
know
in
a
normal
circumstance,
not
necessarily
you
know
a
you
know,
a
historic
district,
but
not
under
normal
circumstance,
someone
who
just
want
the
entire
exterior.
E
So
that's
why
we
cover
you
know
the
trim
and
the
window
with
that
aluminum
clad,
but
in
certain
instances
like
this
one,
you
can
see
I'm
going
to
scroll
down
one
more
time.
You
can
see
that
the
green
trim
around
the
window-
we've
preserved.
Of
course,
there's
no
storm
window
there
anymore,
but
we
preserved
that
green
trim
by
just
putting
the
window.
E
Right
where
the
sashes
were
right,
where
the
storm
window
was,
and
then
there's
just
a
very,
very,
very
thin
piece
of
trim
that
covers
the
gap
from
the
new
replacement
window
to
the
existing
trim,
and
what
I'm
thinking
is
that
the
reason
why
I
even
proposed
this-
or
you
know
even
mentioned
this-
is
because
I
I
there's
a
decent
chance
that
what
is
underneath
the
aluminum
cladding
at
sherman
is
that
black
trim
that
you
saw
in
a
couple
of
the
windows
or
some
kind
of
wood
trim.
There.
I
A
Is
there
any
member
of
the
public
who's
here
to
speak
to
this
application.
A
Any
other
discussion
by
commissioners,
commissioner
hacker.
G
Yeah,
I
I'm
just
wondering
if,
if,
when
you
remove
the
so
some
of
those
windows,
that
white
is
aluminum,
it
was
a
little
hard
to
see.
Is
it
already
there
some
of
the
aluminum
with
where
you
see
the
white
trim
with
that
wood,
or
it's
a
little
hard
to
see.
G
So
so
would
the
owners
agree
that
if
you
remove
that
and
you
need
to
replace
some
of
the
wood
trim
with
that,
could
that
be
replaced?
I
mean
it
wouldn't
be
by
the
window.
Installer
would
be
by
the
homeowner
so
that
you
get
wood,
because
it's
a
pretty
wide
wood
trim
around
the
window
and
it
is
a
landmark
building.
So
would
that
be
something
that
the
owners
would
do.
D
I
G
I
mean
that's
something
that
I
would
recommend
you
won't
know
until
you
see
the
shape
of
it,
just
so
that
you
know
you
have
a
it's.
A
pretty
wide
wood
trim
where
it
looks
if
it
was
wood,
obviously,
but
it's
pretty
wide.
So
that
would
just
be
my
recommendation.
I
I
A
J
G
I
mean
as
a
recommendation.
It
means
that
if
you
take
off
the
aluminum
and
it's
in
really
bad
shape-
and
you
didn't
want
to
spend
the
money
to
repair
it,
then
it's
just
a
recommendation,
so
you
could
cover
it
back
up.
If
it
was
part
of
the
motion
not
as
a
recommendation,
then
you
would
need
to
replace
it
in
kind.
So
that's
I'm
asking
the
other
commissioners,
you
know
if
we
structure
the.
H
I
don't
know
in
the
I
didn't
understand
the
response
from
the
owners.
I
got
the
feeling
that
that
they
wanted
it
all
removed
and
have
just
the
wood
exposed.
Was
that
correct.
G
So,
are
you
okay,
if
we
make
the
recommend,
if
are
you
okay,
if
we
put
it
if
we,
if,
when
I
cite
this,
that
I'm
saying
that
you're
going
to
replace
that
it
will
either
be
that
the
wood
trim
will
remain
or
be
replaced
in
kind?
Are
you
okay
with
that.
D
G
G
I
make
a
motion
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
1204
sherman
avenue,
which
is
a
landmark
building
to
replace
all
the
wood
double
hung
windows
with
pellet,
clad,
aluminum
wood
windows,
their
replacement,
calling
them
replacement
windows,
the
trim
will
be
on
will
be
either
remain
as
wood
trim
or
be
replaced
in
kind,
and
I
guess
we,
the
replace
and
we're
replacing
the
basement
windows
with
fixed
and
sliding
windows.
We
didn't
see
that
but
applicable
standards
are
alteration
one
through
ten.
D
A
I
think
elliot
elliot
was
the
one
I
saw
all
right.
So
then
we
have
to
do
the
commission
by
commissioner
vote.
Commissioner
idol
aye,
commissioner
hacker.
I
A
H
D
L
All
right,
I
can
speak
to
that.
My
name
is
denny
burke,
I'm
from
time,
but
still
the
architects
and
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
homeowner.
L
So
at
2030
maple,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
a
landmark
home
from
late
1800's.
We
propose
to
remove
an
existing
shed
roof
from
the
rear
of
the
house
and
the
views
from
the
alley
and
replace
it
with
a
one
and
a
half
story:
wood
frame
edition,
the
in.
In
addition
to
removing
the
existing
one
story
space,
we
were
proposing
to
extend
the
back
of
the
house
four
feet
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
space
for
the
kitchen.
L
So
if
you
can
scroll
ahead,
one
more
page
here
and
again,
one
more
sorry
final
one
and
that's
the
first
floor
plan.
So
you
can
see
with
our
our
marks
there.
We
have
one
and
a
half
story
which
is
an
a
a
renovation
but
a
gut
rehab
where
we're
keeping
the
first
floor
foundation,
building
up
one
and
a
half
story
floor
and
then
on
the
west
of
the
new
full
edition
portion.
L
There
is
an
existing
sun
room.
That's
on
a
crawl
space
foundation
that
will
be
lowered
to
full
basement
depth,
and
then
we
are
extending
an
extra
four
feet
beyond
the
current
footprint
of
the
house
to
to
incorporate
that
into
the
the
kitchen
above
will
be
storage
in
closet
for
the
living
spaces
on
the
second
floor
and
then
in
addition
to
this,
we're
proposing
a
new
deck
off
to
the
south
of
the
house,
access
from
the
kitchen
to
replace
an
existing
deck.
L
So
if
you
go
to
the
to
the
south,
elevation
you'll
see
that
and
similarly
we're
proposing
solar
panels
on
the
south,
facade
south
south
sloping
roof
of
the
new
addition.
So
there
you
can
see
the
solar
panels
and
the
deck
to
the
south,
and-
and
we
have
reason
to
believe
in
the
photos
we'll
show
later-
that
the
deck
portion
would
be
visible
from
both
the
sidewalk
street
primary
street
and
alley.
L
So
you
have
the
final
3d
views
here
of
existing
and
proposed
front
rear
from
the
alley
context
photos
and
then
we
go
into
solar,
specific
photos.
L
In
a
section,
so
the
the
siding
is
planned
to
be
lp,
smart,
siding,
lap,
smooth
will
match
the
the
exposure
of
the
existing
house.
It's
it's
fluctuates
between
three
and
seven
two
and
seven
eighths
and
three
inches.
We
are
meeting
at
inside
corners,
so
we
have
reason
to
believe
that
it
will
be
able
to
match
relatively
well
and
we're
keeping
all
the
banding
the
band
trim
at
the
window
head
will
incorporate
all
our
new
windows.
L
The
shake
will
be
a
hearty
shake.
You
know.
Perfection
line
that
panel
that
will
go
in
all
trim
will
at
the
moment
be
cedar.
Although
the
contractor
has
mentioned
they
might
want
to
use
boral
siding
a
borel
trim
because
it
is
rot
resistant
for
longevity.
All
deck
materials
will
be
cedar
painted
to
match
the
existing
front
porch,
and
then
our
windows
are
going
to
be
marvin
elevate
in
a
casement
style.
Although
the
house
is
majority,
double
hung,
there
are
some
casements.
L
On
the
second
floor,
all
of
the
windows
in
the
addition
renovation
portion
are
slated
to
be
casement
with
simulated
divided
lights
and
those
would
be
you
know,
matching
white
on
the
exterior
and
then
wood
stained
interior
solar
panels
would
be
at
the
moment,
panasonic
hit
panels,
although
we
have
not
finalized
a
solar
provider
for
the
product
as
of
yet
but
of
the
providers
we
have
reached
out
to.
That
is
the
panel
that
everyone
seems
to
be
using
at
the
moment.
A
It
sounds
like
for
the
solar
panels
that
you
don't
have
detailed
drawings,
because
it's
still
more
just
a
concept
at
this
point
correct.
L
Yeah
we
we've
we've
reached
out
to
solar
providers
for
estimates
and
quotes
to
to
understand
what
panel
they
would
recommend
and
how
many
can
fit,
and
so
that's
what's
shown
on
our
drawings
at
the
moment.
So
we
we
can
fit
12
panels,
that's
what
we're
proposing
as
the
max
array
size
at
this
moment,
but
we
don't
have
final
details
or
what
the
racking
system
would
be
in
specific.
At
this
moment,.
A
H
K
K
But
again,
you
know
if
it's
not
visible,
if
it
doesn't
affect
the
house
itself,
it's
necessarily
the
same.
K
If
we
were
something
that's
this
fall,
the
last
version
of
this
would
be
a
garage
that
was
on
the
alley
and
it
was
facing
east.
All
the
planets
were
facing
east
on
top
of
the
horizon,.
H
Can
I
ask
for
a
clarification,
we're
now
saying
if,
if
the
solar
panels
are
not
seen
from
the
street,
then
it's
done
administratively,
even
though
there
may
be
a
public
way
that
we
normally
do
worry
about.
So
if
I
missed
something
here,.
G
G
I
don't
think
that's
I
never
I'm
sorry.
Since
we
wrote
the
guidelines,
I
never
knew
that.
So
I'm
now
I'm
very
confused
because
I
aleka
you
might
want
to
weigh
in
I.
I
don't
because
I'm
not
seeing
you
on
this,
but
I
I
basically
if
any,
if
anything
is
observable
from
a
public
way,
then
you
know
it's
like
it.
Then
it
would
come
before.
Unless
you
know
it
would
come
before
the
commission
or
be
reviewed
administratively,
but
it
wouldn't
just
automatically
go.
K
M
So
we're
saying
if
the
I
didn't
follow
all
of
that
so
we're
saying:
if
solar
panels
are
on
kind
of
a
secondary
part
of
the
structure
and
not
visible
from
the
street,
then
they
can
be
administratively
approved.
G
I
G
But
I
would
say
that
the
current
guidelines
as
written
and
their
draft
do
not
they
they.
Basically,
you
know
whether
or
not
this
would
be
approved,
which
it
probably
would
be
given
our
current
guidelines.
It
does
not
suggest
that
they
just
go
to
be
administratively
reviewed.
It
says
you
know,
there's
a
pot,
it
does
say
that
you
know
we
would
work.
We
might
work
in
that
way
or
that
fashion,
but
it
certainly
it
doesn't
just
it
doesn't
say
that
right,
correct
aleka.
I
just
want
to
go
back
so
I'm
so.
M
A
Right
I
mean
I
was
suggesting
that,
because
it's
on
the
rear
of
the
house
and
has
limited
visibility,
that'd
be
appropriate,
for
you
know.
A
M
I
would
like
so
in
this-
I
I
guess.
Maybe
it
should
be
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
in
this,
in
this
example,
we
have
a
it
is
on
a
secondary
structure.
That's
not
that's
not.
You
know
visible
from
the
primary
elevation.
H
The
way
it's
drawn
and
the
way
the
draft
guidelines
read
as
long
as
it's
essentially
flush
with
the
surface
of
the
roof
and
in
line
with
it,
then
it's
apparently
an
acceptable
use
without
going
through
what
we
would
probably
do
on
the
other
side
or
at
the
front
of
the
building.
So
it's
probably
consistent
even
as
drawn
with
those
draft
guidelines.
We
just
don't
know,
as
you
said,
we
just
don't
know
enough
about
what's
being
installed.
N
The
architect-
and
I
was
on
the
oak
park-
preservation
commission,
the
chair
for
the
last
few
years
that
ended
about
five
years
ago,
and
we
were
rewriting
our
guidelines
too.
So
I
understand
what
you're
going
through
and
so
and
we
were
really
focused
on
the
reversibility
and
you
know
trying
to
keep
them
out
of
the
street
view
et
cetera.
So,
but
in
this
case
I
just
wanted
to
say,
as
when,
you're
thinking
about
the
solar
aspect.
N
What
normally
happens
with
our
projects
where
we
involve
solar
is
that
we
specify
kind
of
the
output
that
we
need
and
the
the
lake
the
layout
on
the
roof.
So
in
this
case
it's
parallel
to
the
roof.
But
we
leave
a
lot
of
the
specifications
up
to
the
solar
provider.
N
It's
kind
of
like
a
design
build,
and
so
we
don't
wind
up
typically
drawing
the
standoffs
and
the
racking
system
and
everything
they're,
almost
always
exactly
the
same,
which
is
standing
about
six
inches
off
the
roof.
And
it's
parallel
to
the
roof,
because
they're
just
little
standoffs
in
a
horizontal
rail
and
clips
unless
we're
doing
a
metal
roof
in
which
we
can
clip
right
onto
the
standing
seam.
N
In
this
case
we
have
shingles.
So
it's
the
standoff
anyway,
we
could
definitely
bring
you.
The
solar
installers
bid
information,
but
we
we
would
typically
not
have
it
in
our
even
in
our
working
drawings.
So
that's
just,
I
guess
something
to
think
about
when
you're,
when
we're
thinking
about
approval
process.
G
Right
I
mean
what
we've
asked
in
the
guidelines
just
and
we've
also
looked
at
the
oak
park
guidelines.
We've
just
asked
in
terms
of
the
presentation
of
you
know,
looking
you
know
understanding
what
color
they
are
basically
like
if
the
the
where
they
are
based
on
you
know,
we
can
see
on
this
where
they
are,
but
on
a
site
plan
we've
asked
and
there's
you
know,
basically
keeping
them
off
the
front
facade.
G
So
there's
things
we've
asked
for
that,
aren't
as
specific,
but
so
I
would
agree
that
this
case
would
probably
just
move
through
and
that
if
we
wanted
some
more
details,
they
could
go
to
carlos
administratively.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that,
within
our
guidelines,
it
does
not
just
say
that
everything
that
is
on
the
rear
facade
is
just
gonna
go
toward
to
the
administration.
I'm
just
saying
you
know
it's
a
case
by
case,
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
those
that
issue.
G
So
if
we,
I
think
we
just
which
is
above
and
beyond
this
project,
but
so
I'm
just
suggesting
that
that
gets
to
be
more
carefully
looked
at.
But
I
would
agree
that
this
project,
I
would
move
this
project
along
with
the
solar
panels
in
that
location.
So.
A
Okay,
maybe
we
should
come
back
to
that
issue
and
at
the
end,
when
we're
talking
about
your
solar
guidelines,
because
I
think
I
mean
I've
observed
around
evanston
a
number
of
projects,
the
rear
facade
that
actually
are
visible
from
the
street-
that
I'm
not
sure
people
are
doing
without
permits
or
what
okay
is
there?
Any
public
comment
on
this
project?
A
Is
there
any
more
comment
from
commissioners
or
a
discussion.
B
B
B
L
So
yeah
the
the
you're
right.
If
you
want
to
flip
back
whoever's,
presenting
about
five
six
sheets.
L
Actually,
you
know
this
works,
that's
fine!
Let
me
just
move
my
my
viewer
here:
okay,
so
yeah.
We
we
have
put
simulated,
divided
lights
on
these,
this
east
or
sorry,
west,
facade
and
then
also
on
the
door
leading
out
to
the
south
from
kitchen
to
deck.
We,
the
the
thought
there
was
to
give
a
little
bit
more
texture.
Obviously
we
do
have
double
hung
with
no
divided
lights.
In
the
remainder
of
the
house,
all
other
windows
will
be
casements.
L
So
a
large
you
know
visible
glass
pane,
but
the
the
while
we
do
have
the
lights
divided
into
an
operable
and
a
fixed
sash.
Here,
for
instance,
on
the
on
the
west.
We
we
have
a
fixed
lower
and
then
an
operable
upper.
We
to
make
up
that
tall
unit.
The
the
the
thought
was
just
that
little
bit
of
extra
texture
kind
of
can
break
down
the
scale
as
it
as
it
relates
to
the
backyard,
because
we
are
encroaching
a
little
bit
more
into
the
backyard
we
we
do.
L
You
know
there
is
still,
however,
room
to
get
back
from
the
house
and
and
have
a
nice
vantage
point
of
it,
but
we
thought
it
was
a
little
bit
more
accessible
from
a
scale
standpoint
with
the
simulated
divided
light
versus
an
overly
large
sash,
so
that
that
that's
where
that
design
detail
came
from
then
kind.
N
L
Sorry
time
it
just
cut
out
there.
N
We
didn't
get
a
sunroom
windows.
Did
we
we're
thinking
like
1940s.
L
Yeah
that
I
don't
think
the
sunroom's
original,
but
it's
you
know
you
know
a
contributing
piece
at
the
moment
I
would
say
yeah.
L
N
B
Sure
I'll
try
am
I
and
we're
the
the
synopsis
from
the
solar
panel.
We
left
it
that
if
it's
gonna
change
substantially
from
these
drawings
they'll
review,
it
administratively
was
that
the
conclusion.
A
I
I
think
the
the
detailed
specifications
would
regardless
be
subject
to
administrative
approval.
Okay,.
B
Got
it
so
I
make
a
motion
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
project
at
2030,
maple
avenue,
renovating
the
the
the
west
one
one-story
wing
of
the
house
with
a
new
new
addition,
a
new
configuration
new
windows
and
doors,
new
deck
and
all
the
rest
shown
in
the
drawings.
The
the
solar
panels
are
concept
only
at
this
point
and
the
final
details
will
be
reviewed
with
staff
applicable
standards
for
construction,
one
through
five,
seven,
eight,
ten,
eleven
14
and
15
apply
and
standards
for
demolition.
H
A
I
heard
elliot
second
taking
a
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
idle
aye,
commissioner
hacker
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
commissioner
bowden
aye
commissioner
dodd-dick
aye,
commissioner
sullivan
aye,
and
I'm
in
favor
too.
So
it's
unanimous.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
L
A
O
Hey
everybody
thanks
for
your
time.
This
is
mark
maranachi
speaking,
I'm
I'm
a
little
embarrassed,
I'm
just
the
homeowner
so
certainly
far
from
an
expert.
Just
a
liberal
arts
major
but
a
lifelong
evanstonian.
O
We
took
a
a
pretty
fair
amount
of
hail
damage
in
april,
probably
like
a
lot
of
you
and
are
now
looking
to
replace
both
our
roof
and
our
siding.
The
roof
is
a
pretty
simple
swap
out.
You
know
current
product
for
similar
product.
I
think
the
siding
is
really
the
question.
O
This
is
a
beautiful
old
home
and
I
grew
up
painting
these
homes
every
summer,
but
somehow
or
another.
Well
before
there
were
standards,
it
was
wrapped
in
aluminum
and
the
aluminum
is
you
know
it's
faded.
It's
not
super
aesthetically
pleasing.
In
my
opinion,
and
the
long
and
the
short
of
it
is,
we
propose
to
remove
the
aluminum,
remove
whatever
wood
is
under
the
aluminum,
given
that
it's
probably
in
poor
condition
and
tinkering
with
it
will
further
damage
it
and
then
replace
it
with
hardy
board.
O
Greg
bednarski
from
the
windows
and
siding
group
is
also
on
the
line.
If
there's
additional
questions
around
the
details
about
the
proposal,
but
scott,
I
think
you
know
if
we
were
to
walk
through
different
elements
of
this-
would
be
happy
to
to
the
best
of
my
ability,
of
course
answer
any
questions
you
guys
have.
I
think
this
drawing
is
probably
what
you
guys
want
to
focus
on
and
again
this
is
a
project
under
duress.
O
G
G
H
O
Replace
that
with
hardy,
to
frame
out
all
the
windows,
so
the
hardy
would
go
in
both
as
the
siding
and
then
around
all
of
the
windows
that
you
see
here,
save
at
the
bottom
that
little
I'm
not
sure
what
the
technical
term
is,
but
the
little
turret
the
little
bay
window
in
that
corner
there
there
would
be.
You
know,
cedar
shake
under
those
windows.
G
Yeah,
it's
just
some
of
the
trim.
I
think
I
can't
quite
tell
but
above
the
the
half
round
windows
at
what
it
is.
Is
that
a
profile?
That's
not
you
wouldn't
replace
that
with
hardy
board
profile
set.
You
know
are
these.
I
I
can't
tell
what
the
trim
is
so
looks
like
it's
profiled,
though,
so
it's
probably
just
a
wood
profile
piece,
and
you
would
just
replace
that
in
kind.
G
G
O
G
G
O
Is
behind
it
so
as
we
pull
that
back
greg
and
the
team
at
the
windows
and
siding
group
had
thought
about
what
could
we
do
there?
That
would
look
nice.
That
would
look
pleasing,
but
I
assure
you
what's
there
now
is.
G
O
B
The
so
this
this
might
be
the
only
place,
there's
actual
one
trim,
because
I'm
assuming
like
the
yes,
the
kind
of
decorative
columns
here
and
at
the
second
floor
and
then
the
kind
of
ventilated,
curved
cornice
piece
over
there
correct
you.
O
H
No,
I
think
it
looks
a
lot
better
with
the
hardy.
I
know
this
came
up.
I
think
scott
and
carlos-
and
I
sort
of
I
don't
remember
if
ken
as
well
did
a
sort
of
review
of
this
back
what
two
months
ago,
when
it
was
being
tossed
around
as
to
what
their
options
were,
because
the
aluminum
was
already
something
they
could
have
replaced.
H
I
think
it
does
work
with
the
hardy
board
and
I
think
it'll
be
much
better
than
the
aluminum
long
run
as
well.
Yeah
greg
somebody's
gotta
unmute
greg.
I
think
he
keeps
trying
to
say
something
there.
H
But
maybe
not,
I
think,
some
of
those
details
julie
are
going
to
be
pretty
difficult
if
they're,
really
in
aluminum
and
now
going
to
hardy
board,
I'm
not
sure
how
they're
going
to
bend
some
of
those,
but
I
think
they're
going
to
you
know.
Hopefully
the
contractor
will
speak
to
us.
O
So
greg,
I
think,
you're
on
mute
and
the
question
directed
to
you
is
likely
about
the
detail
on
the
third
floor
and
the
in
the
roof
there.
How
we
would
address
that
with
potentially
wood
rather
than
hardy.
Is
that
a
fair
summary
commissioner.
A
B
I
guess
the
the
one
caveat
that
I'd
like
the
homeowner
to
have
in
mind
is
that,
obviously,
all
the
aluminum
siding
top
to
bottom
on
this
house
has
the
same
profile
and
the
same
exposure,
and
you
might
very
well
find
once
you
strip
the
aluminum
off
that
the
wood
siding
has
more
variety
to
it.
B
Originally,
okay,
that
maybe
the
gable,
is
something
different
than
the
typical
wood
siding
and
I'd
encourage
you
to
when
you're
picking
out
the
hardy
board
pieces
to
try
and
match
the
the
exposures
that
are
of
the
wood
siding
as
close
as
you
can
and
don't
worry
about,
trying
to
match
the
aluminum
appearance.
Try
to
match
the
wood
underneath
as
best
you
can.
H
I'm
not
sure
you
can
get
it
much
smaller
10
I
mean,
I
think
there
was
even
discussion.
I
thought
we
had
it
about
a
week
last
time
about
six
inch
versus
four
inch.
M
F
H
I
move
the
for
1207
judson
avenue,
a
landmark
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
removing,
well
removing
the
hail,
damaged,
aluminum,
siding
and
possibly
the
wood
siding,
that's
below
it
and
any
of
the
aluminum
trim
that
exists
and
replacing
it
with
four
inch
exposure,
james
hardy,
smooth,
siding
plus
hearty
trim
around
windows
and
door
and
corners
and
with
fascia
boards
and
crown
rake
crown,
fascia,
rake,
etc.
H
O
Yeah
I
made
a
quick
mention
of
that.
Commissioner,
I
think
it
was
just
simply
put.
It
was
something
that
I
think
carlos
had
suggested
that
he
administratively
approve,
but
the
contractor
said
you
know
it's.
I
don't
want
to
start
tinkering
with
one
thing
until
I
can
do
the
whole
job,
which
is
why
it's
all
now
before
you,
but
I
think
it's
a
simple
consideration
of
existing
roof
material
for
replacement,
roof
material,
there's
no
significant
change
to
what
we're
putting
on
the
roof.
H
Fine,
I
just
didn't
know
if
I'd
be,
including
it
in
the
motion
applicable
standards
for
alteration
one
through
ten
continuing
on
and
demolition
one
through
six
and
carlos
you've
gotta
change
hardy
to
having
an
e
on
the
end
on
the
on
the
agenda.
F
A
Like
a
second
commissioner,
I
will
do
a
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
idle.
I'm
commissioner
hacker
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
commissioner
bowden
aye
commissioner
dudnick
aye,
commissioner
sullivan
aye,
and
I'm
in
favor
so
unanimous,
very
good.
Thank
you.
Take
care
good.
H
P
My
name
is
scott
walker,
I'm
working
for
javier
and
mary
ellen
madrid
at
1404,
a
neat
old
house
that
we're
doing
a
interior
renovation
to,
and
we
have
found
some
existing
windows
and
areas
of
the
house,
such
as
the
sun,
room
and
kitchen,
as
we've
noted
that
the
in-swing
casements
will
hinder
use
of
the
interior
of
the
rooms,
such
as,
when
I
say
the
kitchen,
the
interior
casement
windows
that
in
swing
will
then
be
obviously
knocking
items
off
of
the
countertop
and
therefore
opening
into
the
upper
cabinets.
P
Are
you
able
to
spin
that
90
degrees?
That's
the
sunroom
photo
that
you're
seeing
right
there
that
we're
planning
on
putting
a
window
seat
all
the
way
around
and
then
the
south
viewing
photos
which
would
be
the
next
page.
Perhaps,
which
is
the
the
three
on
the
right
of
that
cluster?
Is
the
kitchen
windows
right
now
they
all
are
interior
swing
with
aluminum,
clad
glass
we
like
to
replace
them
in
marvin
all
wood,
true,
divided
light
with
just
that
horizontal
bar
is
the
only
detail
these
windows
have
at
this.
P
P
Pretty
simple
replacement,
definitely
restoring
them
to
better
use
and
for
better
usage
for
the
family.
In
those.
P
The
replacement
windows
is
going
to
be
a
marvin
ultimate.
This
I
received
from
my
marvin
rep.
P
P
We've
done
extensive
restoration
to
the
rest
of
the
double
hung
windows,
43
of
them
in
the
house,
that
we've
replaced
ballasts
and
brass
chains
and
weights
throughout
to
restore
all
the
existing
windows.
These
are
the
only
windows
that
the
madrids
are
focused
on
because
they
just
make
the
interior
space
unusable.
As
we've
redesigned
the
inside
of
the
house.
H
I
I
have
a
question
the,
since
the
old
windows
were
in
swing,
there
may
at
some
point,
have
been
a
storm
before
the
aluminum
storms
that
are
there
now.
Are
you
setting
the
window
in
any
way
in
the
same
location,
or
is
it
going
to
be
how
to
kind
of
replicate
that
plane.
P
You
would
like
to
put
the
new
marvin
window
out
to
the
plane
where
the
existing
casing
on
the
outside
of
the
house
will
be
untouched.
I
will
design
this
new
window
to
go.
Existing
casing
exterior
to
remain,
and
we
will
install
from
the
inside
all
right.
So
there
will
not
be
it's
not
an
insert
window.
P
P
H
C
I'll
do
it.
I
move
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1404
forest
avenue,
a
landmark
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
for
the
replacement
of
the
existing
single
glazed
wood
in
swing.
Casement
windows
on
the
rear,
southwest
corner
of
the
house
with
marvin
wood
windows
matching
all
design
details
to
be
outswing
with
insulated
glass,
applicable
standards
include
alteration
1
through
10
and
demolition,
one
through
six,
a.
A
H
A
A
The
next
manner
is
747
michigan
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district.
I
think
I
saw
gary
somewhere
on
the
screen.
Hi.
Q
Gentlemen,
can
you
hear
me
yeah
all
right,
scott?
I
assume
you're
driving
right
all
right,
so
we
presented
this
project
to
the
commission
in
the
months
prior
to
our
lockdown.
This
is
the
phase
that
we
had
predicted
was
coming
shortly
on
the
heels
of
that
which
is
the
re-cladding
of
the
existing
sleeping
porch.
Q
On
the
back
of
this
house,
you
can
see
the
one
story:
the
one-story
screen
porch,
which
is
the
project
that
was
already
approved,
permitted
and
we're
beginning
construction
in
the
next
week,
or
so
the
one-story
brick
note
there
is
actually
the
where
the
sleeping
porch
is.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
For
me,
you
probably
remember
some
of
these.
The
sleeping
porch
is
currently
clad
in
aluminum
with
aluminum
corner
boards.
The
windows
you
see
up
there
are
simply
storm
windows,
there's
nothing
behind
it.
Q
Those
are
their
single
panel
triple
track
storm
windows
on
that
upper
section
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
For
me,
here
is
a
an
elevation
of
the
proposed
and
the
existing.
Q
We
are
going
to
replace
all
the
aluminum
siding
and
corner
boards
with
a
dutch
cove
siding
we're
going
to
miter
those
around
the
corner.
We're
going
to
replace
all
of
the
existing
double
hung
button.
Patterned
windows
with
casement
windows
with
matching
button
patterns,
those
the
patterns,
those
align
with
the
windows
on
the
side
of
the
house,
we'll
see
that
in
the
next
in
the
next
slide
in
the
center
section.
Oh
I'm
sorry
go
back
to
that.
There
you
go.
We
are.
Q
We
are
replicating
that
center
window,
on
which
we
base
the
flanking
screen
panels
on
the
left
and
right
side
of
the
screen,
porch
project
below
with
two
exterior
grade
insulated
doors
leading
from
the
sleeping
porch
and
what
will
be
a
home
office
for
the
club
for
the
homeowners
out
onto
that
outdoor
terrace.
That
was
approved
in
the
last
package.
Q
The
other
change
we're
proposing
there
is
an
existing
low
slope
asphalt,
shingle
roof,
which
is
lower
slope
than
asphalt
shingles
should
be
installed.
We
are
going
to
replace
that
with
a
standing,
seam,
copper,
roof
and
rework
the
flashing
underneath
that
chicago
window
on
in
the
attic,
while
that
chicago
window
isn't
necessarily
accurate.
It's
not
part
of
our
project,
and
we
are
optimistic
that
someday
we'll
model
the
upper
floor
of
that
and
we'll
change
that
too.
But
for
the
time
being,
it's
it
exists
as
it
exists.
Q
So
next
slide,
please,
you
can
see
here
the
in
the
existing.
Those
double
hung
windows
with
the
buttons
on
them,
the
siding
and
the
corner
boards.
Q
Now,
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
for
me,
our
alteration
here
is:
raises
the
slope
of
that
copper,
standing
seam
roof
just
enough
to
get
it
to
to
shed
water
properly.
You
see
the
dutch
coast,
siding
we've
also
dropped
the
sill
of
the
existing.
The
sills
of
the
windows
in
the
sleeping
porch
to
align
with
the
bottom
of
the
stone
course
adjacent
and
continue
the
pattern
of
those
windows
so
proportionally
they're
more
in
scale
with
the
windows
below
in
the
existing
masonry
structure.
Q
That's
unchanged,
I
think
the
next
there's,
so
that's
the
existing.
That's
the
existing
condition,
as
it
has
been
approved
from
this
commission.
It
is
currently
under
construction,
so
the
existing
condition,
as
you
would
see
today,
still
has
the
old
shed
porch
the
shed
screen
porch
on
it.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide
for
me,
that's
the
alteration,
so
you
see
the
dutch
cove
siding
with
a
slightly
larger
shadow
line
in
it.
The
slightly
deeper
windows
and
the
larger
windows
leading
onto
the
porch.
C
Q
The
windows
we're
proposing
here
are
to
match
the
windows
that
have
consistently
been
used
to
replace
windows
in
this
house,
which
are
pella
architect,
series
windows
and
we'll
use
those
consistently,
along
with
the
pella
exterior
french
doors.
J
Questions:
yeah
hi.
I
have
a
question
just
about
the
double
hung
windows
that
you're
replacing
with
casements.
Can
you
just
why?
Why
change
the
function.
Q
We'd
like
to
get
more
ventilation
into
that
sleeping
porch,
we
get
a
larger
open
area.
If
we
do
that
and
keep
in
mind
when
I
say
double
hung
windows,
those
are
simply
storm
panels.
They're
not
true
double
hung
windows,
so
we're
not
removing
anything
of
historic
value
by
doing
that,
they're
just
simple
triple
track
windows
in
those
openings.
J
Okay
and
so
the
the
casino
that's
opening,
then
it's
the
like
what
looks
like
a
lower
end
of
her
sash
there's
no
unit
that
swings.
Q
D
Q
H
Gary
yeah,
okay,
was
there
ever
consideration.
I
realize
you
said
the
third
floor
is
some
later
phase
of
well,
maybe
of
changing
out
that
window,
because
it's
much
bigger
in
terms
of
it
well,
the
cell
height,
seems
to
be
lower
than
you
know,
the
ones
at
the
dormer
or
anything
else.
No.
H
Q
A
Any
further
discussion
by
commissioners
beth,
would
you
like
to
bring
a
motion
to
approve.
J
All
right,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
provide
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
property
at
747,
michigan
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
case,
20
prs0142,
it's
to
remove
from
the
rear
east,
north
and
south
elevations.
The
existing
double
hung
windows,
lap,
siding
an
asphalt,
shingle
roof
of
existing
second
floor,
enclosed
sleeping
porch
and
replace
it
with
new
casement
windows.
Ship
lab,
siding,
copper
sheet
metal
roof.
J
C
A
Okay,
commissioner
ryan
hold
second
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
idol
aye,
commissioner
hacker
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
commissioner
bowden
aye
commissioner
dodnic
aye,
commissioner
sullivan.
D
R
Hi,
I'm
julie
fisher,
and
this
is
jason
rosenthal,
my
husband,
jason
rosenthal,
I'm
the
homeowner
and
and
an
architect,
so
the
worst
of
everything
combined.
So
we're
looking
to
improve
the
rear
of
our
home
to
give
us
access
to
our
rear
yard,
which
is
why
we
moved
to
evanston
I'm
a
lifelong
evanstonian
and
we
were
fortunate
enough
to
move
back
and
move
back
close
to
where
I
grew
up
as
well.
R
So
we're
looking
to
add-
and
I
I
submit
this-
is
our
permit
set
as
well,
so
it
might
be
a
little
more
than
was
required
for
the
this
presentation.
So
my
apologies.
I've
never
done
this
before
here
either.
So
it's
a
good
learning
curve,
there's
a
lot
of
pages
in
there.
So
I
think
if
you
want.
In
summary,
this
is
our
home
and,
as
you
can
see,
we're
not
touching
the
the
front
of
the
house
which
is
on
forest
and
where
the
lake
shore
historic
district,
we
are
looking
to
improve.
R
Most
of
the
windows
in
our
house
are
in
pretty
bad
shape
or
were
we're
not
sure
when
they
were
replaced
with
vinyl
replacement
windows,
mostly
in
the
back.
So
we're
pretty
committed
to
restoring
the
ones
in
the
front
and
leaving
them
as
they
are
they're,
beautiful
and
they're
in
pretty
decent
condition,
all
the
chains
and
ballasts,
and
I
mean
they
need
a
lot
of
work
but
not
worth
replacing.
R
And
oh,
we
had
sorry
this
all
started
because
we
did
have
pretty
substantial,
hail
damage
during
that
storm.
So
we
had
a
lot
of
damage
to
the
existing
windows
on
the
home
so
we're
we
would
like
we're
just
going
to
have
those
they
can
be
done
from
interior.
They
don't
need
to
be
replaced
or
anything
so
we're
getting
those
taken
care
of,
and
unless
I,
and
so
as
we
move
forward,
the
the
main
goal
is
on
the
rear
of
the
house.
R
There
we've
had
french
doors
that
go
to
nowhere
because
there's
no
deck
on
the
rear
of
our
house
and
I
looked
at
the
historic
documents
there
was
a
permit
pulled,
I
think
in
1924
for
a
deck
back
there.
So
we
are
interested
in
replacing
the
deck
and
then
opening
up
the
rear
of
the
house
to
add,
take
a
window
out
and
add
another
a
sliding
door.
So
we
could
actually
have
access
to
this
deck
and
to
our
backyard
and
then
to
replace
our
garage
with
a
new
garage
as
well.
R
So
if
you
wanna,
I
guess
we
could
just
flip
forward
a
couple
keep
going
so
this
sort
of
gives
the
overview
of
the
plan.
It's
really
the
only
area
that
we're
touching
is
in
the
rear
of
the
house
towards
the
kitchen-
and
this
is
the
first
floor,
existing
first
floor
plan,
where
we're
looking
to
add
a
deck
and
a
new
door
where
there
was
a
window
and
a
new
garage
and
it's
much
clearer
on
the
elevations.
My
apologies.
If
we
want
to
move
forward
to
the
next
slide.
R
This
is
the
second
floor
again
showing
you
where
you
can
see
the
window
tags
and
I
know
they're
small,
so
we've.
The
elevation,
I
think,
is
much
better
to
explain
this
where
those
tags
are
are
the
existing
windows.
So
I'm
just
moving
you
through
the
elevations
of
the
home.
Nothing
changes
on
the
front
of
the
house
just
showing
you
there's
an
existing
porch
and
then
we
get
to
the
it's.
The
fun
part
it's
hard
to
from
the
scale
of
the
home.
R
To
give
a,
I
can't
really
get
a
full
picture
of
any
side
of
the
house
just
by
the
way
it's
cited.
So
I
did
my
best
to
explain
in
the
red,
showing
you
the
side
by
side
of
the
south
elevation
existing
and
proposed
and,
in
summary,
to
make
this
easiest
is
a
lot
of
these
are
on
this
elevation
in
particular.
R
To
summarize
we're
not
looking
to
change
the
style
of
anything
except
for
on
2.3,
their
existing
vinyl
sliding
windows-
I
don't
know
when
or
where
those
were
put
in,
but
and
they
actually
don't
even
function,
and
it's
the
same
just
for
future.
It's
in
this
one
room
and
it's
on
the
opposite
side.
So
they're
not
operable.
R
I
mean
sort
of
they're
janky,
my
architectural
professional
term
of
the
is
janky,
and
we
can't
get
in
any
really
good
fresh
air
in
there
and
we
want
to
replace
them
with
wood,
double
hung
windows.
All
the
windows
were
proposing
our
all
marvin
signature
and
to
match
what
we,
what
seems
to
be
pretty
almost
identical
to
all
the
other
existing
wood
windows.
In
the
home,
we
are
looking
to
do
the
clad
in
white
just
for
durability
in
future,
but
the
profiles,
as
you
can
see,
down
below
they're
they're,
really
similar.
R
R
So,
but
so
I
think
the
the
only
change
we're
making
in
terms
of
stylistically
is
on
the
next
page
on
the
rear
elevation
there
are
existing
and
it's
2.6
well
other
than
the
doors,
but
on
2.6
it's
an
existing
vinyl
casement
windows
that
we
want
to
replace
with
the
new
casement
windows,
and
we
want
to
change
the
we
want
to
change
the
swing
of
those
which
I
actually
don't
think
I
was
clear
in
there
I'm
just
trying
they
are
they
they
come
in
right
now,
so
it's
kind
of
the
same
issue
from
and
they're.
R
R
Casement
windows,
so
our
issue
with
those
are
a
couple
things:
one
is
safety
there.
The
sill
height
is
not
very
high
it,
regardless
of
whether
it's
my
son's
room
or
not.
It's
like
giant.
You
know,
there's
a
weird
safety
concern
that
I'm
having.
I
feel
like
it's
really
big
and
when
you
do
the
outswing
ones
that
are
new,
they
don't
open
all
the
way.
So
that's
just
my
a
personal
thing
and
they
also
the
ensuing
ones
they're,
just
the
old
ones
that
they're
they
don't
function
very
well.
R
We've
we've
never
really
been
able
to
open
them,
they're
hard
to
open
their
painted
shell
they're
damaged
and
they
open
in.
So
those
are
the
major
change
in
terms
of
just
anything
that
would
be
different
as
we
would
like
them
to
be
your
typical,
but
we
want
them
to
push
out.
We
don't
want
to
do
the
crank
ones.
We
want
to
keep
it
with
the
latch,
so
they
at
least
have
more
of
the
emotional
and
physical
matching
properties.
To
that,
I
think
the
biggest
change
is
on
the
rear
of
the
house.
R
As
you
can
see,
where
1.4
is,
we
have
these
existing
french,
I
I
they're
called
they're,
I'm
calling
them
french
doors,
but
they're.
They
have
no
insulative
or
any
kind
of
properties
that
have
that
function
as
a
door.
They
don't
even
have
a
proper
door
handle
it,
so
they
really
look
like
interior
french
doors.
They
match
interior
french
doors
that
we
have
at
our
house
identically
and
you
can
feel
the
wind
blowing
through
them,
so
they're
super
fun
in
winter.
So
the
initial
reasoning
for
replacing
those
was
just
from
it.
R
It
would
be
great
to
have
a
a
functioning
patio
door,
so
we
thought
if
we
had
a
slider,
we
could
actually
have
a
screen
too
it's
hard
with
the
french
doors
to
have
a
proper
screen.
So
what
I
wanted
to
do
was
replace
that
with
a
slider
and
then
where
the
window
is
right.
Next
to
it
add
another
matching
slider
so
because
one
is
sort
of
in
the
dining
room,
the
other
one
would
give
us
access
from
the
kitchen.
R
So
we
wanted
to
put
matching
sliders
that
would
have
the
simulated
divided
light
the
marvin
as
well,
and
that
would
give
us
full
access
to
our
deck
and
really
give
us
a
view
to
the
backyard
that
we
currently
actually
don't.
We
don't
really
get
it
even
from
those
current
small
doors.
R
Just
by
the
way
our
house
is
negotiated
right
now,
it's
it's
a
little
closed
off
right
now,
so
we
just
really
wanted
to
celebrate
the
the
yard
and
the
beautiful
tree
that
we
have
and
it's
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
we
chose
this
house
was
the
was
the
remarkable
yard.
R
So
for
the
house,
that's
really
it's
most
of
the
most
of
the
activities
on
the
back
and
just
really
trying
to
clean
up
and
replace
these
windows.
The
other
one
is
just.
I
will
point
out
for
you
2.5
up
on
the
it's
sort
of
in
the
middle.
On
the
second
floor,
that
is
a
double
hung
window
and
the
reason
why
we
original
wood
one
we
want
to
replace
that
it
is
a
really
low,
sill
height,
it's
in
a
bathroom
right
next
to
a
sink.
R
I
want
that
to
be
a
tempered
glass,
proper
safety
window
it
I
it
keeps
me
up
at
night
the
thought
it's
right
next
to
a
sink
in
my
daughter's
room
and
if
it's
not
even
falling
out
of
it,
if
it's
anyone
cracks
it.
These
are
the
old
single
pane
windows,
the
shards.
You
know
when
you,
if,
if
it
cracks
for
some
reason,
it's
it's
very
dangerous,
so
it's
one
of
the
only
other
wood
windows
that
I
want
to
replace
mostly
for
safety
kind
of
both
of
them
are
just
in
this
safety
range.
R
I
want
them
to
function
better
for
future.
I
I
from
a
safety.
I
want
it
to
be
tempered
and
that
pretty
much
covers
the
window
aspect
in
the
deck
part
of
the
house
and
then
the
rest
was
the
garage.
I
believe
if
we
want
to
go
unless
anyone
wants
to
stop
for
questions.
G
R
R
G
R
I
would
love
to
and
the
reason
is
because
if
you
do
a
six
foot,
you
know
if
I
kept
this
the
when
you
do
a
five
foot
slider
once
you
slide
it,
it's
actually
not
that
much
room
to
right
come
out,
so
I
was
like
well.
Maybe
I
could
get
at
least
one
of
them
to
be
a
little
bit
bigger,
so
that
was
sort
of
my
goal
with
it,
and
then
we
have
yeah.
We
have
these
weird
co.
R
R
I
was
trying
to
stick
within
the
standards,
just
obviously
from
a
cost
standpoint,
which
I
know
isn't
a
priority
from
a
aesthetic
standpoint,
but
I
I
I
would
like
to
get
them
to
be
the
same
size,
ideally
both
the
same
larger
size,
so
that
we
can
actually
just
have
them
open
and
have
the
screen
and
that
we
have.
We
can
open
up
from
the
front
to
the
back.
We
have
french
doors
on
the
front
and
our
enclosed
patio
and
the
front
deck
on
the
front.
So
that
is
our
goal.
H
R
I
did,
I
think
the
biggest
issue
with
the
outstanding
french
doors
is
our
deck.
I
I
mean
it's
all
relative,
it's
not
a
tiny
deck,
but
when
you,
when
you
have
the
depth,
you
know
we
didn't
want
it
the
deck
to
go
out
that
far,
but
when
you
start
swinging
out
these
doors
and
they
they
really
do
eat
into
the
the
only
livable
space
back
there,
oh
sorry
and
then-
and
so
that
was
really
the
that
was
really
the
main
area
we
I
did
think
of
that,
because
then
I
was
like.
R
Oh,
we
can
have
a
screen,
but
it's
it's
hard
with
the
french
doors
to
get
to
not
eat
up
all
that
space,
it's
at
least
on
the
inside
the
way,
our
hot.
Interestingly,
the
way
it
is,
if
they
fold
all
the
way
back,
we
it's
not
that
intrusive
in
our
dining
room
and
where
the
one
on
the
right
is
going,
is
sort
of
in
this
odd
dead,
dead
space
in
between
the
cabinet
and
dining
room
table,
so
it
they
do
work
it
if
they
were
french
in
swing.
You
just
have
that
really
weird
screen
issue.
R
Yeah,
I
think
it's
just
the
the
screens
become
are
difficult
on
the
french
doors,
but
there
aren't
really
that
many
good
options
for
them.
You
have
the
rolling,
you
know
they're,
the
sliders
are
just
I
mean
obvi
they're,
just
functionally
easier.
So
that's
I'm
just
being
honest.
That's
why
we
did
it
and
I
think
they
look
the
same
when
they're
they
really
do.
I,
I
did
look
into
it
a
lot.
I,
knowing
that
this,
the
aesthetic
is.
I
know
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
when
they're
close
they
in
my
opinion,
they
look
pretty
similar
they're.
R
H
Well,
the
other
question
is
these
are
divided
light
and
I
realized
that
that
strange
window
that
you
were
removing
had
divided
light
can
raise
this
issue
earlier
tonight.
But
none
of
the
other
windows
on
this
house
are
divided
light.
There's.
R
One
only
one
on
the
side,
it's
very
strange.
We
have
the
on
the
top
floor.
You
can
see
the
there's
only
there's
and
then
they,
though
they
replaced
vinyl
ones.
On
the
third
floor,
I
think
it
might
be
in
one
of
the
other
elevations
and
they're
like
the
they're,
not
the
good,
divided
light
they're
like
the
snap
in
sad,
divided
light,
so
we
could
just
count
those
all
together.
No,
I
I
agree,
but
the
the
doors
are.
Quite
I
mean
they're.
R
R
Sure
it's
really
fun.
That
was
the
other
side.
These
are
the
3d.
It
actually
might
be
beneficial
to
skip
forward
a
page
just
to
give
us
a
better
or
maybe
one
more
detail.
So
this
is
the
existing
garage.
I
think
the
most
important
thing
to
point
out
is
that
I
want
to
keep
all
of
these
windows
that
are
in
this
garage
right
now
and
reuse
them
in
the
new
garage
again.
This
is
the
other.
This
might
help
the
that
these
have
the
divided
lights
in
them
and
on
all
four
sides.
R
So
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
do
if
we
were
able
to
take
this
garage
down
was
to
reuse
windows
in
the
new
garage.
This
garage-
and
I
have
I
emailed
carlos-
and
I
also
or
I
can
share
a
screen
later.
I
have
better
images
of
the
adjacent
properties,
but
this
garage,
the
only
garage,
that's
a
similar
scale,
is
directly
behind
us
and
then
it's
like
all
over
the
map
around
us,
but
we
can
get
to
that
next.
But
I
did
love
that
these.
R
I
think
this
garage
was
1919
and
I
did
love
that
these
I
windows
might
be
the
original.
So
I
wanted
to
have
a
really
fun
summer,
project
of
refinishing
them
and
then
putting
them
back
in
one
day.
So
maybe
if
we
go
and
then
you
could
see
too
that
the
pitch
you
know,
our
house
has
a
very
high
pitch
to
it
and
so
do
most
of
the
other
houses
around
it.
So
maybe
the
next
one
is
even
better
before
we
go
to
the
yeah.
So
these
are
the
elevations.
R
It's
we're
doing
a
6
12
20
foot.
Actually
it's
a
little
bit
less
because
we
have
the
garage
it's
an
18
foot,
because
we
need
the
two
feet
for
the
chimney.
So
our
idea
was
once
we
opened
up
the
view
to
the
back
of
our
house.
You
see
this
sort
of
the
garage
is
has
a
perfect
view
from
the
back
of
our
house.
If
it's
opened
up,
so
the
idea
was
to
take
that
back
door.
R
That
was
at
the
back
of
our
house
and
put
it
also
reuse
that
and
put
it
as
one
of
the
major
features
in
the
garage,
and
we
have
another
one
in
the
basement.
That
was
from
the
inside
of
the
house.
That
was
here
so,
as
I
was
saying,
I
they're
like
interior
doors,
but
we
don't
need
them,
for
these
are
not
functional
doors,
so
it
was
just
the
aesthetic
so
to
the
point
of
the
millions
in
it,
then
we
were
taking
the
existing
one
that
we
are
going
to
take
off.
R
The
back
of
the
house,
put
it
on
the
garage
and
then
take
the
other
one
that
we
have.
That
was
left
here
in
our
basement
and
added
as
a
feature
and
then
reuse
the
existing
windows
around
this
garage.
But
with
siding,
we
were
just
going
to
do
cedar
siding
with
some
cedar
shakes
at
the
where
the
ridge
and
the
pitch
happens.
And
then
we
wanted
to
build
in
a
fireplace
because
we
do
have
a.
R
I
don't
know
if,
then,
if
you
want
to
go
back
to
the
3d,
I
think
it
was
too
back
might
be
the
best
way
to
just
sort
of
get
the
feel,
and
then
that
was
the
deck
just
sort
of
a
context
and
for
the
home
the
upper
window
in
the
back.
I
actually
we
don't
have
that
right
now
and
probably
don't
need
it,
but
it
doesn't.
I
don't
have
an
existing
one
to
match
that
so
probably
will
go.
R
Away,
I
did
send
something
just
based
on
some
comments
before
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
shared
screen
or
if
carlos
has
it
the
just
kind
of
showing
some
snapshots
of
my
neighbor,
which
has
on
the
the
neighbor
on
the
south
side,
has
a
gigantic
coach
house
giant
garage
and
the
one
on
the
other
side
has.
R
It
looks
like
a
really
beautiful
historic
garage
which
is
significantly
higher
than
ours,
and
I
showed
behind
us
as
well
significantly
higher
pitches.
So
it's
it's
a
real
mishmash.
We
have
a
couple
coach
houses,
it's
it's
there's
not
a
real,
consistent,
look
or
feel
to
the
neighbor
to
my
alley
or
adjacent
properties.
It's
really
a
wild
mix.
G
So
I
guess
my
only
comment
is:
did
you
look
at
a
dif,
the
garage
door?
That's
new
new
yeah
yeah,
so
I
would
just
say:
can
you
I
didn't
know
if
you
looked
at
you
know
if
you
did
vertical
panels,
I
mean
it
just
like
I
didn't
yeah
it
might.
I
just
might
look
at
that
garage
door
in
terms
of
the
style
of
it
with
the
rest
of
the
house.
It
just
yeah.
R
C
M
Can
I
have
one
quick
question
sure
it
I
noticed
the
tree
is
the
tree
stain
not
that
it's?
Oh
yes,
it's.
M
D
A
Okay
alekka,
since
you
had
the
floor,
would
you
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve?
Oh.
M
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1127
forest
avenue
to
demolish
existing
detached
ground,
build
a
new
detached
garage
with
fireplace
at
rear
east
end
and
new,
raised
deck
and
add
a
new
patio
door.
Opening
replace
existing
vinyl
windows
along
the
back
of
the
house
with
flat
windows
matching
the
exterior
homes,
windows
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
five,
seven,
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen
demolition,
one
through
six.
A
Second,
second,
commissioner,
right
hold
seconds.
Commission
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
idle
aye,
commissioner
hacker
aye,
commissioner
reinhold
aye.
Commissioner
bowden
aye,
commissioner
dudnick.
D
D
D
A
Yes,
carlos.
K
Yes,
good
evening,
all
I
have
sent
two
versions
of
the
first
one
was
the
original
draft,
and
then
I
send
the
second
draft.
Two
had
some
comments
from
julie
and
I
didn't
have
the
opportunity
to
send
a
third
version
which
are
traditional,
minor
edits
from
earlier,
without
changing
the
in
any
substance
there.
H
H
A
Okay,
my
guess:
we
still
need
a
raw
call
vote.
Commissioner
idol
all
right,
richard
hacker
hi,
commissioner
reinhold
hi,
commissioner
bowden,
I'm
commissioner
dudnik
aye,
commissioner
sullivan
hi,
and
I'm
in
favor.
K
With
all
the
comments
that
we
received
from
the
members
of
the
working
group
from
kumar
and
also,
I
sent
an
email
with
the
response
from
aleka
and
julie
to
kumar's
questions
I
think
where
we
are
is
that
there
were
two
means
I
attended
last
week
on
thursday
attended
the
environmental
board
meeting
where
they
had
the
opportunity
to
review
draft
ships
and
they
couldn't
make
a
motion
to
approve
because
they
have
the
rule
that
they
need
to
repeat
and
they
can
approve
it.
K
K
So,
although
the
members
that
were
in
the
working
group,
including
the
chair
for
the
uterus
committee,
discussed
different,
what
status
was,
but
they
would
like
the
other
members
of
that
commission
to
receive
the
draft.
So
since
we
have
draft
seven,
that's
what
we
should
send
to
them
to
the
next
meeting
again,
I
think
they
will
look
at
them
and
then
not
vote
in
for
them
in
august,
but
in
their
september
meeting.
M
We
tried
to
go
through
and
synthesize
that,
and
the
two
things
that
we
would
have
to
do
is
respond
to
staff
comments
from
kumar
and
sustainability,
and
you
know
there
were
some
good
good
suggestions
and
comments
and
feedback
in
there
and
that's
where
draft
seven
came
from
with
some
slight
changes.
M
So
I
think
we
thought
today
if
we
could
get
feedback
from
the
commission
on
those
two
documents.
If
anything
stuck
out
to
you
on
any
of
the
changes
or
comments
that
we
made
in
those
that's
what
we're
looking
for.
A
H
G
D
M
F
G
Minute
we
have
it
here
up
here,
so
just
just
keep
keep
scrolling
yeah,
okay,
right
there
yeah!
So
the
question
I
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
the
comments.
H
G
Understand
our
changes,
but
so
you
can
read
that
there
were
comments
about
you
know.
Well,
are
you
really?
The
solar
panels
are
predominantly
blue
and
black
dark,
blue
and
black,
so
we
just
changed
the
language
there
and
then
we
also
took
out
on
so
two.
We
changed
the
language
and
then
four
we
just
took
it
out
again
because
we
thought
two
covered
it.
G
Okay,
that
was
that
that
was
the
color
issue
and
then
in
five
there
was
a
discussion
that
you
can
read
if
you
look
at
kumar's
comments
about
composition
and
so
aleka
in
her
comments
to
him,
which
you
should
have
that
document
too,
she
wrote
why
that
was
important
to
look
at
composition
and
what
what
it
really
entailed.
G
So
we
just
changed
this
language
a
little
bit
that
I
think
it
was
clearer.
So
maybe
take
a
look
at
that
careful
attention
should
be
paid
to
the
grouping
of
solar
panels
and
into
simple
rectangular
blocks,
avoiding
sawtooth
patterns,
as
opposed
to
this,
the
compositionally
balanced
issue
which
kumar,
I
think
didn't.
Quite
I
don't
know
he
had
a
problem
with
it
and
maybe
didn't
think
it
was
clearer
and
then
and
then
we
took
the
color
thing
out
again
because
it
was
already
up
in
two.
G
So
that
was
that
change
and
then
can
we
go
down?
Can
you
scroll
back
down?
Okay,
wait,
yeah
yeah!
So
then
it
was
number
seven,
and
this
was
a
good
point.
It
was
brought
up
that
this
whole
issue
of
reversibility
and
what
happens
if
we
use
a
technology
that
is
integral
to
the
structure
of
the
roof,
such
as
solar
shingles,
and
then
it's
not
reversible
in
the
same
way.
G
So
we
just
added
that
last
sentence
because
we
just
said
in
the
event,
this
is
occurs
that
we
would
look
at
in
a
case-by-case
basis,
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
if
you
think
about
what
this
might
mean.
For
instance,
if
you
had
a
landmark
house
with
a
unusual
tiled
roof,
and
then
someone
was
going
to
put
solar
panels
on
them
and
there
was
a
question
of
whether
they
would
be
the
panels
which
might
be
more
reversible,
as
opposed
to
like
ripping
the
whole
roof
off.
G
To
do
solar
shingles,
like
those
things
in
some
instances,
you
might
want
one
versus
the
other
because
of
that
reversibility.
So
we
just
have
it
in
there
to
try
to
cover
ourselves,
and
then
I
just
stuck
in
on
number
eight,
because
it's
that
primary
elevation
that
we
are
trying
to
avoid
solar
panels,
if
at
all
possible.
But
we
just
stuck
that
in
again
to
refer
you
back
to
five
if
it
was
necessary
to
put
them
on
the
primary
elevations.
G
Since
we
are
dealing
frequently
now
with
if
it's
a
gable
roof
front
facade
facing
the
street,
that
we
get
them
on
the
side
of
the
roof,
which
is
the
primary
facade.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
came
up
again
in
someone's
comment
from
staff.
So
just
refer
you
back
to
five,
which
basically
says:
if
you
do
this,
then
this
and
that
those
are
the
that's
it
right
aleka.
G
I
think
that
was
it
for
our
changes
and
then
aleka
did
write
about
the
oak
park
guidelines
which
came
up.
The
question
was
asked
by
kumar
about
the
differences,
and
so
maybe
if
you
guys
would
read
that
and
see
her
replies
and
I
think
the
last
thing
that
came
up
out
of
all
the
comments
were.
I
G
G
I
my
interpretation
was
that
it
was
sort
of
shutting
us
down.
It
was
kind
of
saying
why
have
the
guidelines
if
something's
reversible
it's
reversible.
So
I
don't
think
that's
what
in
reading
the
oak
park
guidelines,
that's
not
what
they
say.
So
we
did
not
find
that
particular
letter
useful,
but
we
have
reached
out
to
two
other
companies
in
terms
of
seeing,
if
there's
any
information
that
we
could
use,
that
might
be
useful
in
in
a
value
in
you
know
in
examining
the
guidelines
that
we
have.
G
So
that
was
the
last
thing
that
we
don't
have
that
yet,
but
we've
reached
out
to
those
groups,
so
I
would
say
if
you
guys
feel
comfortable
with
our
changes
to
seven.
K
One
of
it
was
the
letter
from
the
solar
company,
but
the
other
one
was
actually
some
comments
to
the
text
that
made
it
a
little
bit
more
flexible
in
the
language,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
had
a
opportunity
to
review
that
it
was
different
tone
than
the
letter
from
the
solar
installation
company
where
in
the
industry
that
was
from
the
the
lady
who
obviously
looked
at
it
from
the
industry,
it
was
together
with
the
other
letter,
but
the
letter
I
I
agree
with
that.
It
had
a
different
tone.
K
It
was
more
like
the
decided
oak
park
that
was
not
able
to
deny
solar
installations
and
when
I
called
the
staff
at
both
part,
they
said
no,
that's
when
they
explained
to
me.
We
review
landmarks
with
this
standard
for
review,
but
the
rest
that
are
now
landmarks
about
3
000
properties
is
advisory.
K
K
M
Yes,
yeah,
we
did
look
at
those,
that's
why
we
yeah
we
that's
that
that
influenced
some
of
our
changes
in
draft
seven.
G
G
K
Was
the
I
can't
remember
her
name,
but
she-
and
I
were
on
the
phone
a
few
times-
is
that
lisa
aldridge?
K
G
Yes,
oh
oh
aleka,
I
spoke
to,
can
I
to
be
transparent.
I
spoke
to
her
today
because
nate
kipnis
told
me
to
reach
out
to
her
since
she's
been
doing
solar
panels
for
a
long
time
and
she's.
I
think
she's
on
the
board,
the
illinois,
solar
commission,
and
so
I
was
can
I
was
talking
to
because
I
thought
elek
and
I
was
we're
going
to
have
another
conversation
with
her,
but
I
didn't
know
that
those
those
were
her
comments.
K
G
M
G
G
A
K
A
So
as
to
the
question
of
the
substantive
differences
between
oak
park's
guidance
and
our
guidelines,
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
that
oak
park's,
I
mean
it's
almost
a
prohibition
on
having
solar
panels
on
the
primary
facade.
It
seems
much
tougher
than
ours
in
that
respect.
M
Yeah
I
felt
that
the
way
their
guidelines
are
written
is
much
tougher
and
if
they
do
eventually,
you
know,
review
and
approve
things
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
they're
they're
a
lot
less
transparent
with
applicants.
You
know
if
they
are
going
to
come
in
front
of
them
and
make
an
exception.
They
don't
give
them
any
guidance
in
those
guidelines
as
to
what
they
could
do
to
make
an
exception,
and
what
we
really
tried
to
do
was.
You
know,
make
these
guidelines
and
guidance
to
say.
Okay,
we
realize
we
don't
want
to.
M
A
G
Yeah,
I
know
it
made
no
sense
mark.
I
agree
with
you.
If
you
read
them,
we
are
being
more
flexible,
so
I
don't
actually
understand
we
alek
and
I
did
not
really
understand
the
comment
exactly
and
so
that's
why
she
just
wrote.
Aleka
wrote
that
description
of
how
we
differed,
because
I
actually
think
we
have
all
made
this.
G
So
I
I
do
think
I
I
don't
quite
understand
somehow
why
oak
park
was
utilized
in
that
way,
because
and
that's
why
aleka
wrote
that,
but
I
don't
know,
can
I
ask
carlos?
I
M
I
G
Right
and
if
and
if
you
all
agree
with
our
our
changes
and
aleka's
and
elek
and
my
our
responses,
then
we
would
like
those
to
then
go
disseminate
to
whoever
carlos
to
kumar
for
his
questions
and
whoever
and
and
the
other
groups
the
other
two
committees.
G
A
I
mean
I
was
definitely
thinking.
I
mean
the
prior
email
that
came
back.
That
was
frustrating
where
he
seemed
to
suggest
they
had
never.
You
know
approved
the
guidelines
that
we
were
jumping
the
gun.
You
know
came
back
with
this
push
back
on.
Why
aren't
you
doing
like
oak
park
did,
and
so
I
I
think
that
we
should
say
much
more
clearly
that
in
fact
you
know
oak
park,
I
mean
we
we're
more.
I
mean
I
think
we
should
say
that
we're
being
more
flexible
than
oak
park.
A
M
M
You
know
it
quotes
it,
go
into
more
detail
on
what's
important,
to
preserve
and
come
out
and
concede
that
it
is
sometimes
necessary
to
install
solar
planars
on
primary
elevations
and
give
guidance
on
what
can
be
done
in
those
cases
to
minimize
impact.
So
I
guess
we
didn't
say
in
that
sentence.
The
evanston
guidelines
are
okay.
M
G
D
K
K
It's
just
going
to
take
a
little
bit
extra
time
to
think
according
to
what
your
course
can
do
when
you
are
ready
to
recommend-
and
I
think
perhaps
what
maybe
command,
referring
to
and
getting
controlled
in
a
more
explained
way
when
maybe
it's
talking
about
how
far
it
might
be
a
thought
that
is
a
recommendation
rather
than
a
actual
system
of
brokenness
or
thousands
of
property.
K
K
Working
group
are
pretty
much
in
favor
of
this,
and
they
are
kind
of
talking
to
them
in
that
tone
that
this
is
a
game,
but
particularly
is
a
large
didn't
seem
to
kind
of
have
the
same
reaction.
I'm
not
saying
they're,
not
supportive,
it's
just
they
were
in
twos.
They
had
a
little
bit
more
time
to
use
it.
M
Breaking
up
they're
breaking
up,
but
I
get,
but
what
I
understood
is
that
basically
we
don't
we
shouldn't
like
officially
approve
anything,
but
if
we
all
agree
on
with
that
edit
on
these
responses
and
this
draft
seven,
then
we
just
give
them
to
them
not
saying
this
is
what
we've
approved,
but
we
say
okay
here:
how
does
this
look?
Look
at
them?
Let
us
know
and
we
don't
go
through
it.
M
Okay,
that's
fine,
that's
fine
and
then
in
within,
hopefully
the
next
week
or
so
it
we
did.
Well,
it's
good
to
know
that
that
one
we
can
say
that.
G
M
Lisa
albrecht's
input
to
these
responses
and
we've
also
reached
out
to
a
gentleman
from
sunrun,
but
you
know
so
we
just
for.
M
We
I
we
reached
out
to
him,
but
we
haven't
s.
We
haven't
heard
back
to
set
up
anything
yet
yeah,
but
you
know
what,
but
I
think
it's
huge
that
those
comments
were
from
lisa.
Okay,.
D
H
M
D
M
To
make
a
change,
then
we
have
to
all
consider
it
and
we'll
get
it
to
a
point
where
it's
like:
okay,
here's!
The
final
thing
is
this:
the
one
that
we're
putting
to
all
the
commissions
to
approve
you
know,
but
instead
of
saying,
I
think
carlos
is
saying
instead
of
us
saying:
okay,
here's!
The
final
thing
we're
saying
is
this:
does
this
look
good?
Is
this
okay?
If
this
is
the
final
thing,
it's
a
little
softer,
but.
K
G
I
want
to
say
this
I
feel
like
both
all
the
committees.
The
comments
were
very
minor
and
I
feel
like
this
is,
I
feel
like
carlos
has
to
he
has
to
deal
with
kumar
and
it's
not
like
aleka,
and
I
can
so
we're
gonna
take
your
lead,
carlos,
because
we
know
you
have
the
best
interest
of
the
preservation
commission
and
trying
to
move
this
along.
G
M
K
The
only
comment
I
heard
that
was
a
little
bit
different,
that's
david
carl,
the
green
roof,
and
I
think
we
have
an
explain
about
the
way
that
committee
approves
project,
that
karl
thinking
a
project
has
both
solar
and
proof,
and
one
of
them
doesn't
meet
the
guy
used,
how
to
prove
anything.
And
then
there
was
no.
We
have
approved
a
portion
of
projects
way
that
would
get
done
in
the
one
case
by
spaces.
M
A
All
right,
just
one
note,
with
respect
to
the
discussion
we
had
earlier,
so
there's
a
sentence
in
draft
seven
that
says,
installations
that
may
qualify
for
administrative
approval
include
those
that
are
not
visible
when
looking
at
the
primary
elevation
and
so
on.
A
So
I
I
think
that
I
mean
I
think
that
is
what
we
had
discussed
like
a
year
ago.
A
G
A
M
G
K
And
I
try
to
make
sure
that
make
sure
that
this
is
finding
a
decision
might
be.
That
might
be
difficult
difficult
with
putting
the
grounds
within
the
railroad.
Biome
may
be
happy
to
consult
with
the
chair
and
the
commissioner
and
admission
at
least
at
least
in
all
cases,
more
emphasis,
but
more
emphasis
with
solar
panels.
H
K
J
Sorry,
carlos
your
body,
just
a
question
about
like
how
it's
going
to
work
with
the
project
like
this
project
that
just
came
forward
tonight.
Where
are
we
going
to
see
the
package
that
is
designed
by
the
actual
solar
company
and
I'm
asking
because
it
looked
like
the
arrangement
that
was
proposed
in
the
packet
tonight?
J
J
Like
now,
when
the
solar
company
comes
up
and
actually
makes
the
real
arrangement
to
accommodate
all
those
codes,
then
are
they
going
to
have
to
rearrange
that
it's,
I
don't
think
it'll
be
so
nice
and
neat
and
so
simple,
and
so
will
we
have
the
or
are
we
saying
those
are
the
cases
that
carlos
you
will
always
see
them
at
least
and
do
your
administrative
review
and
then,
if
the
massing
is
not
as
simple
and
straightforward
as
what
we
saw
today
and
the
I'll
call
it
just
the
rendering,
then
we
then
we
would
see
it
if
it
gets
more
complicated
than
what
we
actually
saw
tonight.
K
Okay,
I
I
think
that
it
will
depend
on
case
by
case,
but
you
know
we
have
to
be
clear
about
if
it's
not
visible
from
and
doesn't
affect
the
front
facade.
Can
staff
approve
that
my
understanding
is
yes,
but
if
there
is
something
that
it,
it
doesn't
look
right,
not
from
the
technical
point
of
view,
but
from
the
preservation
point
of
view.
K
I
will
always
consult
with
the
chair
before
it's
sent
to
the
commission
or
allow
me
to
continue
with
the
administrative
review,
because
there's
a
lot
of
things
that,
in
my
mind,
are
technical
rather
than
historic,
preservation
issues
so,
like
the
three
feet
set
back
from
the
edges
of
the
roof,
it's
technical,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
it's
on
the
rear
and
they
need
to
make
or
on
the
side
that
is
not
visible
and
they
have
to
make
changes.
K
If
I
can
make
a
comment,
maybe
the
array
should
be
more
symmetrical
or
something
like
that.
I
will
but
again
it
we
have
to
make
clear
that
that's
still
allowable
by
staff,
because
the
whole
idea
that
I
mentioned
earlier
about
discussion
of
the
commission.
You
know
what
can
be
done
administratively,
that
generated
the
standards
that
we
have
in
the
rules
and
and
provision
the
rules
and
the
procedures.
It's
that
we
added
that
ability
of
staff
to
be
able
to
review
and
stop
the
solar
panel.
So
all
I'm
asking
is,
we
need
to
be
consistent.
M
I
K
So
marty,
you
want
me
to
go
to
next
item
b
mark.
A
Okay,
I'm
sorry
beth,
I
was
trying
to
say
there
were
homeowners
that
came
in
last
year.
I
think
before
you
were
on
the
commission
that
said
that
it
was
expensive
and
burdensome
for
them
to
have
to
go
through
a
commission
approval
process.
If,
for
example,
they
were
putting
something
on
the
facade
of
their
garage
facing
their
house.
That
kind
of
thing,
and
so
we
purposely
accommodated
that
kind
of
request
to
not
require
approval
where
it
you
know,
would
easily
get
approved
anyway.
K
Because
they
will
have
to
hire
someone
to
do
drawings
and
it
will
take
more
time
for
them
to
you
know,
get
the
service
because
they
have
to
wait
for
the
commission's
decision
for
things
that
are
not
affecting
the
front
of
the
nation.
That
was
the
main
reason
for
the
request.
The
commission
that
allows
certain
projects
to
be
done
administratively.
A
Okay,
I
think
the
pitch
project
is
done.
I
don't
think
there's
any
update
right.
K
No,
I'm
sorry,
yes,
you're
correct.
I
just
want
to
show
the
commission
the
final
product
of
all
the
effort
that
took
place.
I
thought
it
was
great
and
the
resolution
is
the
resolution
itself
and
it
was
I
understand,
adopted
by
the
city
council,
so
I
believe
that
the
commission
did
a
great
job
overall
to
allow
this
to
happen,
support
this
group
or
organization
in
this
case
and
the
alderman.
K
G
A
Was
there
the
retreat?
I
know
we
had
action
items
which
I'm
not
sure.
G
I
actually
we'll
talk
about
carlos
did
ask
susie
and
myself
to.
We
did
look
at
the
projects
that
you
just
saw
today
tonight
and
so
carlos
sent
them
to
us
and
we
reviewed
them.
Susie
put
together
points
anything
that
we
thought
should
be
added,
and
I
thought
the
presentations
were
good
and
it
seemed
like
we
all
went
through
them
quickly
and
so
that's
the
goal.
So
that
is
happening
thanks
to
carlos
sunday
and
we
talked
about
getting
them
a
little
earlier.
G
So
that's
really
great,
hopefully,
doesn't
add
too
much
burden
to
you,
carlos
it's
another
step,
but
and
then
I
don't
know
because
I
don't
know
what
the
I
can't
remember,
the
other
action
items.
Oh
there
was
one
that
mark
had.
I
talked
to
we
talked
about
this.
G
Is
there
so
I
want
to
bring
it
up
again.
We
talked
about
is
a
their
way,
and
I
know
it's
covered
time.
So
maybe
not
right
now,
but
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
meet?
We
can
somehow
change.
Maybe
the
way
we
or
the
way
we're
possibly
thought
of
by
the
city
council
that
somehow
there's
some
other
way
there's
another
meeting
where
actually
you
know
where
it
isn't.
We
feel
that
that
we
talked
about
getting
support
from
the
city
council.
How?
G
How
can
we
make
that
happen,
and
I
don't
really
want
that
to
go
by
the
wayside,
because
I
think
it's
important
mark
was
mentioning
to
me.
You
know:
is
there
a
possibility
if
somebody
goes
before
the
council
with
an
appeal
that
we're
actually
on
the
agenda
as
opposed
to
one
of
just
getting
the
couple
minutes
public
speaker,
you
know
position,
so
I
would
encourage
something
that
come
of
that
dialogue
some
way
somehow-
and
I
don't
know
if
now
is
the
right
time,
because
there's
other
things
on
people's
agenda.
A
I,
I
think
scott
you
had
said
we
would
meet
with
joanna,
would
be
the
person
to
talk
to,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
still
your
opinion
and
you
know,
obviously,
if
it's
the
wrong
time,
it's
the
wrong
time,
but
maybe
just
to
put
a
slightly
different
spin
on
what
julie
said
just
to
to
try
to
explore
whether
we
can
have
you
know
better
communication.
A
You
know
up
through
the
chains
so
that
we're
I
mean
you
know.
I
do
think
right
now
that
you
know
when,
when
appeals,
for
example,
go
to
city
council,
that
they
have
no
idea
what
we're
doing
and
why-
and
you
know
we're
in
a
bit
of
an
island-
and
I
again
we
don't
want
to
be
a
burden
or
take
up
people's
time
when
they're
overburdened.
A
But
again
I
think
your
thought
was
we
would
start
to
talk
to
joanna
would
be
the
person
to
talk
to
to
kind
of
gently
explore
the
subject.
F
Yeah
we
could
do
that
and
there's
also
a
liaison
from
the
city
council
to
the
planning
commission.
I
believe
that's
alderman
fisk
still,
so
it
could
be
another
individual
to
talk
to
this
on
the
council.
G
So
do
you
think
so
we're
just
putting
it
in
your
court,
scott
and
carlos
or
scott?
You
know
just
sort
of
if
we
can
it'd
be
nice
to
have
something
happen
in
the
next
three
months,
or
so
I
mean
just
a
meeting
or
something.
I
think
that
would
be
great
so
and
then
I
don't
know
what
so
what
else?
I
don't
remember
the
action
items.
I
know
I
wrote
them
so,
but
one
of
them
is
happening.
So
that's
great.
G
If
we
can
set
up
a
meeting
in
the
next
two
or
three
months
with
some
liaison
from
the
city
or
something
that
would
be
great.
Oh,
I
know
the
website
that
was
the
other
one.
G
So
I
know
I
made
one
comment
to
carlos
when
I
was
because
someone
actually
through
us
society
of
architectural
historians
wanted
some
information
on
our
guidelines
because
they're
rewriting
them
in
california-
and
I
can't
remember
where
in
california,
which
city,
but
so
I
sent
them,
and
then
I
was
looking
at
the
website
and
I
made
some
comments
to
carlos
about
some
item.
I
think
jack
was
on
that
chain
elliot.
G
You
were
on
that
chain,
but
I
think
that
was
a
piece
and
I
think
I
think
what
carlos
I'm
going
to
remind
everyone.
What
carlos
had
asked
everyone
to
do
is
maybe
to
make
comments
on
navigating
the
website,
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
done
that,
but
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
it
and
if
you
have
comments
to
write
them,
we
had
left
that
and
then
someone
it
was.
Someone
was
gonna
work
with
carlos,
but
I
don't
know
who
was
that
jamie
jamie.
D
G
K
G
Well,
that's
fine!
So
I
don't
know
I
consider
a
note,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
if
everyone
just
looked
at
the
site
and
just
and
made
a
specific
comments,
as
opposed
to
general
comments
of
like
oh
it's,
too
long
or
it's
too,
you
know
just
that
would
be
helpful
and
I
did
go
back
and
look
at
it.
Elliott
jack
is
in
here,
but
I
still
think
it
is
like
we
had
nothing.
I
think
it's
good.
I
think
carlos.
You
did
a
really
good
job
and
if
you
go
through
it,
I
think
there
was.
G
M
I
think
I
think
the
information
on
it
is
great.
I
think
it's
more
of
a
the
bigger
problem
is
tidying
up
the
information
on
it
and
making
it
more
user
friendly.
M
H
Let
me
see,
I
think
you
should
all
look
at
it
as
it's
a
way
of
understanding
what
the
process
is.
I
think
the
term
guidelines
is
not
really
what
we
should
be
using,
because
that
was
a
discussion
on
in
the
process
about,
because
there
are
some
towns
around
america,
because
I
went
and
pulled
them
up
that
really
identify
guidelines
and
do
it
as
here's
how
the
commission
thinks
when
they're
reviewing
your
case,
meaning
these
are
essentially
examples
of
what
are
the
of
embodying
the
standards
as
a
visual
as
a
visual
device.
H
Well,
they're
they're.
I
don't
know
if
they're
prescriptive
as
much
as
you
know,
when
we
use
certain
terminology
which
we
do
in
our
meetings.
What
does
it
really
mean
so
that
somebody
who
doesn't
know
much
and
is
coming
in
for
the
first
time
says
now?
I
understand
what
they
mean
by
massing
by
all
the
things
that
mark
claims
he
doesn't
understand,
but
really
does
and.
H
He
does,
but
he
claims
he
doesn't,
but
but
I
think-
and
that
was
the
difference-
a
lot
of
towns
actually
do
it
in
that
way,
with
sort
of
little
drawings
and
examples
of
that,
some
of
us
got
it
one
of
what
was
that
the
other
camp,
not
the
one
we
did
this
year,
yeah,
it's
just
yeah,
I
mean
you
know
what
difference.
That's
what
we,
but
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
bad.
G
G
How
do
you
navigate
through
this
process
and
you
have
to
go
back
to
the
standards
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
thought
was
important
when
you're
looking
at
this
again
is
to
understand
the
history
and
where
they're
coming
from
so
even
if
you
don't
want
to
read
it
it's
there
if
you
need
to
find
out,
why
am
I
even
dealing
with
these
standards
like
where
the
hell
are
they
coming
from
so,
but
I
would
suggest
that
instead
of
rewriting
this
whole
thing
which
took
like
two
years
and
and
it
was
really
hard
to
put
together
that
if
you
thought
that
there
was
an
easier
way
to
navigate
it
to
think
about,
if
there's
something
again
that
never
got
put
into
play,
something
as
the
sidebar
which
is
like
you
could.
G
If
you
didn't
want
to
read
the
thing
you
could
just
click
and
you
get
like
about
my
place.
You
get
like
a
series
of
things
that
are
already
buried
in
there,
and
maybe
that
is
that
is,
but
you
know
also
carlos
does
have
all
the
things
that
you
can
access
at
the
beginning.
G
So
I
would
just
suggest,
and
personally
instead
of
trying
to
revamp
the
whole
thing
that
you
think
about,
if
there's
some
simpler
way,
that
is
maybe
that
you
can,
if
you
don't
want
to
go
through
the
thing
you
just
click
on
the
items.
That
was
that's.
What
was
yeah
so
anyway,
but.
H
K
H
G
G
Yeah,
I
don't
know,
I
don't
actually
understand
some
other
comments,
so
maybe
I'm
just
saying
because
it's
getting
late,
I'm
just
asking
people
like
if
you
really
have
specific
comments,
not
like
the
general
thing,
because
it's
like
well
it's
confusing
and
then
it's
like
well
what's
confusing
because
you
have
to
read
it
or
because
the
information's
in
the
wrong
place
would
be
very
helpful.
If
you
could
be
specific,
I
think
just
saying
you.
H
H
But
but
in
general
you
know,
if
we're
I
mean
we're
either
too
close
to
the
woods
or
whatever
it
is,
but
we're
not
the
ones
having
the
difficulty.
So
that's
the
first
step.
The
next
step
is
to
find
out.
You
know
if
you
took
a
random
sample
of
evanstonians
and
said,
go
to
the
site
and
look
up
your
house
or
do
something
with
it.
If
you've
got
a
landmark
home,
find
out
whether
they
have
a
problem
because
we're
not
having
that
problem,
so
you
know
we
could
say
it's
perfect.
I.
K
Mean
just
to
to
kind
of
close,
I
guess
the
conversation
here.
What
I
found
email
that
jamie
vincent
says.
I
would
like
the
group
to
take
another
look
at
the
website
and
develop
their
priorities.
Comments
I'll
email,
you
and
julie
about
the
best
way
to
keep
that
moving
forward.
K
G
Hey,
I
I
just
okay,
so
I
just
want
to
say.
I
think
that
the
package
of
all
the
documents
that
we
saw
all
of
the
were
really
good
and
they
were
cohesive
and
we
were
able
to
look
at
them,
and
so
that
is
great
and
we
know
in
the
past
it
hasn't
always
been
as
tight.
So
I
think
you
know
we're
all
like
working
together
to
make
carlos
thank
you
so
much,
but
it's
true
to
sort
of
move
this
on
and
so
people.
G
If
you
know
I've,
had
comments,
I
think,
when
I
make
comments
from
the
public
there's
specific
sites
that
everyone
should
be
completely
familiar
with,
like
about
my
place,
that
you
can
tell
someone
right
away,
did
you
check
it?
Do
you
know
if
your
house
is
landmark
in
a
historic
district?
There
are
things
that
all
of
us
as
commissioners
should
be
really
familiar
with
on
the
website,
so
that
you
can
help
people
who
are
trying
to
navigate
through
this
process,
which
you
know
if
you're,
not
an
architect,
you
don't
hire
someone.
K
K
Was
scott
joined
us
a
little
bit
later
and.
K
Worked,
it
worked
very
well
and
when
I
send
the
comments
to
the
applicants,
they
were
grateful.
Grateful.