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A
So
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
tuesday
january
11
2022
meeting
of
the
evanston
preservation
commission,
we
do
have
a
quorum
of.
I
think
it's
eight
commissioners,
out
of
nine
as
the
first
matter
of
business,
we
need
to
suspend
the
rules
to
permit
virtual
participation.
A
Would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
wave
the
rules
and
permit
remote
participation.
A
B
C
A
And
sew
it
a
second
all
right,
then
we
need
to
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
reinhold
aye,
mr
cohen
aye,
mr
bowden.
C
C
A
And
I'm
an
eye
all
right
so
for
any
applicants
who
have
not
appeared
before
the
commission
before
so
our
procedure
is
that
each
applicant,
when
it's
their
turn,
should
introduce
themselves
to
everyone
who
speaks
should
state
their
name
for
the
record
so
that
it's
on
the
videotape.
A
The
representative
of
the
applicant,
should
then
present
their
materials
you're
welcome
to
guide
cade
through
your
materials
and
ask
them
to
turn
pages
so
that
you
can
fully
explain
your
application
to
the
commission.
You
know,
while
I
think,
we've
all
prepared
and
read
the
materials
still.
It
really
helps
to
have
a
clear
verbal
explanation
and
have
the
materials
presented.
A
A
A
All
right
so
introduce
yourself
and
then
you
can
you'll
need
to
present
the
materials.
While
we've
read
them,
you
should
definitely
explain
them
fully.
You
can
direct
kade
through
the
materials
as
to
which
page
you
want
us
to
see
sure
yeah.
Please
proceed.
E
Sure
hi
I'm
kristen
fogerty
of
object
architecture.
Tonight
I
am
presenting
you
the
project
at
1615,
jetson
avenue,
it's
a
single
family
home.
The
project
is
to
renovate
the
second
floor
and
with
that
there
are
some
modifications
to
the
exterior
of
the
building.
E
So
starting
with
this
first
page,
the
modification
that
we
are
looking
to
do
is
to
add
windows,
which
is
on
the
next
page.
So
this
is
the
existing
elevation.
These
are
photographs
showing
the
the
one
on
the
left
is
the
rear
of
the
house.
So
I
want
to
modify
the
existing
windows
there,
which
are
windows
from
1997
and
then
on
the
right.
There
is
an
area
where
we'd
like
to
add
windows.
E
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
page,
so
in
the
area
where
we'd
like
to
add
window
a
this
is
because
there's
an
existing
stairwell
there
and
the
window
right
next
to
it
to
the
left.
Currently
is
the
only
window
in
the
stair
hall
and
we
are
adding
a
laundry
room
there,
so
that
will
no
longer
add
natural
light
to
the
stairwell.
E
So,
to
keep
having
natural
light
in
the
stairwell,
I
propose
to
add
a
new
window
at
the
stairwell
window
b
at
the
rear
of
the
home
is
to
be
replaced
with
a
new
window.
It's
it's
basically
in
the
same
location
of
the
existing,
but
it
has
just
slight
modifications
to
it.
So
it
will
be
two
cases
windows
next
to
each
other
and
then
also
there
is
an
existing
flat
roof.
That
addition
was
added
in
1997
and
we'd
like
to
turn
that
into
a
roof
deck.
E
E
And
this
is
the
rear
elevation,
which
is
the
east
elevation,
and
here
I
would
like
to
reconfigure
all
the
windows
at
this
back
portion.
This
was
an
addition
added
in
1997
and
the
interior
floor
plan
is
changing.
So
to
do
that,
I
am
proposing
to
rearrange
the
windows
and
add
a
patio
door
which
is
window
c
and
then
also
a
bay
window
at
window
d,
because
the
new
floor
plan
needed
a
little
extra
room
at
the
primary
bathroom.
E
So
at
the
south
elevation
there
are
existing
windows
at
the
south
east
corner
that
we
are
eliminating
because
of
the
new
floor
plan,
so
that
area
will
get
wood
paneling
to
infill
that
so
it
carries
the
same
detail.
It
just
has
the
windows
removed
and
then
adding
new
windows
for
the
new
primary
bedroom
at
the
side
there.
So
if
you
slip
flip
to
the
next
page,
so
this
is
where
the
new
window
is
being
proposed
to
add.
E
And
then
these
are
images
of
the
existing
home,
so
we
have
the
front
elevation,
so
you
can
see
what
the
existing
windows
look
like
of
the
rear
elevation.
So
you
can
see
the
windows
that
were
added
in
1997
also
shown
at
the
interior
and
then
also
at
the
second
floor.
It
shows
the
existing
original
double
hung
window,
as
well
as
the
windows
and
interior
shot
of
the
windows
at
the
rear
of
the
house
that
are
proposed
to
be
changed.
E
And
this
is
the
floor
plan
showing
the
changes
to
the
home.
So
if
you
look
at
the
second
floor,
where
the
work
is
being
proposed,
that
shows
at
the
stairwell,
you
can
see
the
laundry
room
being
added
and
taking
up
where
the
existing
window
was
that
added
a
natural
light
to
the
stairwell.
So
that's
why
I'm
proposing
the
window
there
and
then,
if
you
move
to
the
rear
of
the
home,
you
can
see
the
new
layout
for
the
primary
suite
and
the
window
configurations
there.
E
F
Hi
kristin,
who,
whose
windows
are
you
using
for
the
new
windows.
E
The
new
windows
will
be
marvin,
the
ultimate
series
windows-
okay,
so
they
are
a
wood
clad
window,
so
they
will
be
aluminum,
clad
on
the
exterior
matching.
The
existing
color
of
the
existing
windows
on
the
home
and
wood
on
the
interior.
G
C
Another
question
about
materials:
you
said
that
up
on
the
second
floor,
you're
gonna
be
adding
a
little
two
foot
railing
at
that
at
that
low
roof
by
the
parapet.
Is
there.
G
E
So
currently,
there
is
not
a
railing
because
the
the
flat
portion
of
the
roof
is
not
accessible
right
now,
but
we
want
to
make
it
accessible
and
so
to
not
make
changes
to
the
existing
parapet
which
carries
that
detail
on
it
again.
This
was
an
addition
added
in
1997
within
the
area
behind
the
parapet,
we
are
going
to
add
a
guard
rail
to
for
life
and
safety.
C
Got
it
but
then
down
like
right
underneath
that
roof,
I
think,
there's
some
railing
down
at
the
first
floor
level
right
so
I
was
just
wondering
what
materials
those
are.
E
So,
looking
at
the
rear
elevation
on
this
page,
it's
the
middle
photo
here
you
can
see
you
know,
I'm
not.
I
believe
that
is
metal
railing
there,
but
I'm
not
certain
because
actually
I
haven't
stood
in
the
backyard
because
we
were
doing
work
to
the
second
floor.
E
H
H
So
you're
really
making
open
railing
like
the
one
on
the
balcony
at
the
front
of
the
house.
What
what's
the
profile
of
the
balusters
are
these
on
the
front
and
then
the
one
you're
proposing.
E
E
Because
that
way,
we
don't
change
the
look
of
the
back
of
the
house.
How
it
currently
exists.
H
A
As
to
the
the
new
kind
of
vertical
window
in
the
stairwell,
just
from
looking
at
the
drawing,
I
was
having
a
hard
time
figuring
out
how
the
divisions
are
related,
I
mean:
are
they
how
they're
related
to
the
other
windows?
I
mean
we
can't
tell
just
by
looking.
E
Sure
so
the
mutton
style
is
to
match
the
muttons
that
are
on
many
of
the
first
floor
windows.
So
you
can
see
on
this
particular
elevation
in
the
in
the
first
floor.
There
are,
there
are
casement
windows
with
transoms,
and
then
there
are
transom
windows
at
the
back
there
that
have
a
mutton
configuration
on
them
and
then,
if
you
go
to
the
south
elevation
and
the
east,
the
east
elevation
the
rear
elevation,
those
all
have
muttons
on
them,
and
so
because
all
the
special
windows
had
buttons
on
them.
H
But
in
reality,
you're
matching
the
choices
that
were
made
for
the
1997
edition
and
putting
a
divided
light
windows
next
to
go
back
to
the
elevation
that
shows
the
stair
window.
If
you
had
that
one
yeah
you're
putting
those
next
to
kind
of
larger
scale,
double
hung
windows.
I
wonder
if
you
ever
thought
about
doing
something,
whether
they're,
casement
or
double
hunger.
That
would
look
like
a
stack
of
two
double
hung
windows
that
is
to
have
a
single
division
at
the
center.
E
E
Get
there
so
you
can
see
on
this
elevation
here,
there's
this
bay
of
triple
windows
here
and
because
they
are
special.
I
wanted
to
match
that
special
detail,
also
in
the
living
room
section
and
I'm
sorry
there's
not
that
on
the
elevation,
but
you
can
see
in
this
photo
here.
There's
these
upper
windows
more
towards
the
front,
so
that's
in
the
living
room
and
then
on
the
front
of
the
building.
I
Were
they
part
of
the
1920?
Was
it
around
1920
that
the
house
was
redone
from
italian
8
to
queen
anne.
E
D
H
My
experience
of
things
like
this
is,
you
would
have
had
a
consistency
throughout
the
older
part
of
the
house.
That
is
the
the
redo
in
when
was
it
close
to
the
turn
of
the
century,
and
then
sometime
in
the
teens
or
20s,
typically
porches
were
enclosed
with
casement
windows,
which
were
frequently
divided
light.
So
the
existing
conditions
that
we're
faced
with
are
divided
light
or
double
hung,
which
leads
me
to
the
question.
If
we
could
go
to
the
rear
elevation,
cade.
H
So
while
I
think
the
the
elevation
is
a
great
improvement
over
this,
the
three-part
division
and
the
scale
of
the
windows
that
are
there,
the
question
is:
why
are
they
casements
not
divided
like
casements,
or
why
are
they
not
double
hung
windows,
because
they're
in
the
scale
and
proportion
of
the
double
hung
windows
in
the
gable
end,
above
or
in
the
rest
of
the
house?
H
E
Sure,
well,
I
was
keeping
in
kind
with
the
fact
that
a
majority
of
the
windows
on
the
second
floor
don't
have
divided
lights.
So
I
really
was
going
with
that.
My
concern
with
making
them
double
hungs
is
obviously
the
function,
and
certainly
we
could
make
them
look
like
double
hungs
and
they
still
act
as
casements.
These
windows
are
shorter
than
the
double
hungs
in
the
rest
of
the
the
second
floor.
E
So
the
second
floor
has
very
tall
dog
wall
hung,
so
my
concern
was
that
they
just
proportionally
didn't
make
it
look
as
tall
as
perhaps
the
other
windows.
H
Well,
the
the
height
to
width
ratio,
the
proportion
seems
of
of
your
new
window
seems
very
similar
to
what's
occurring
in
other
places
in
the
house,
just
a
thought
by
by
the
way,
my
compliments
on
the
replanning
of
the
second
floor.
Thank
you.
The
master,
suite
bathroom
and
closets
are
very
skillfully
done.
I
I
You
know
so
that
it
could
be
a
tall
the
same
vertical
opening,
but
you
know
so.
It
looked
like
three
divisions.
E
Sure
yeah,
I
did
not
consider
that,
as
I
mentioned
before,
I
was
really
inspired
by
the
bay.
That's
on
the
first
floor
and
carrying
out
that
detail,
because
the
stairwell
is
such
a
beautifully
crafted
stair.
It
has
all
the
original
wood
and
railing
details.
I
just
felt
carrying
out
that
detail
of
the
muttons
would
look
really
beautiful,
matched
with
the
interiors.
H
Yeah,
it
also
seems
like
you've,
been
careful
about
the
alignment
of
the
both
the
heads
of
the
windows
and
the
and
the
mold
between
the
two
units
looks
like
it's
very
close
to
being
at
the
level
of
the
cell,
or
perhaps
he
is.
H
I've
forgotten
the
plan,
but
can
you
could
you
actually
physically
widen
those,
so
they
were
the
same
width
and
height
as
the
window
went
windows
immediately
to
the
left.
E
H
C
A
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
that
I
want
to
make
it
a
condition,
but
I
I
mean
to
relate
that
window
to
windows
that
are,
you
know
on
the
south.
Elevation
seems,
I
mean
it's
just
pretty
remote
and
it's
it's
just.
You
know
it's
so
approximate
to
the
windows
that
you
know
have
start
at
the
same
place
and
are
immediately
next
to
it
and
basically
it's
twice
as
big
as
but
I
I
mean
I
vote
to
approve
without
you
changing
it,
but
I
guess
that
would
help
you
to
at
least
consider
that.
H
A
H
Mark,
I
think
this
is
something
that
you
know
could
just
be
handled
administratively
with
any
you
know
any
changes
or
amendments
that
kirsten
wants
to
make.
G
B
B
G
A
Okay,
all
right
is
there
any
further
discussion
by
anyone.
A
F
H
Well,
if
then,
I
I'm
still
confused
about
what
the
motion
would
contain
and
I
think
other
people
must
be
as
well.
That's
why
you
may
have
a
rush
of
people
wanting
to
make
the
motion
so
our
if
we're
approving
it,
then
we've
approved
it
as
it's
submitted
and
are
just
suggesting
to
kirsten
that
she
look
at
them
and
it
would
imply
that
she
doesn't
have
to
come
back
for
any
kind
of
a
re-review.
H
Even
if
it's
just
kade
and
carlos
I
mean
maybe
we
need
caden
carlos's
help
to
clarify
how
this
would
work.
I.
A
H
Okay,
then
john,
I
guess
you
should
just
make
a
straight
motion
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
F
Okay,
so
just
one
other
question
then
before
I
do
that,
if,
if
the
any
potential
changes
that
occur
are
at
the
applicant's
discretion,
do
we
want
to
go
a
little
bit
heavier
and
approve
this
conditional
on
kade
and
carlos's
review
and
okay
of
very
specific
changes
that
we
want
to
happen
and
not
an
option.
K
We'll
clarify
that
any
changes
that
may
occur
part
of
the
discussion
in
the
meeting.
So
if
the
architect
comes
from
something
different,
then
it
would
not
be
part
of
what
you
discussed.
So
I
think
I
feel
more
comfortable
with
something
that
they
you
give
the
architect
options
to
consider
and
she
seems
to
be
in
agreement
with
that.
So
she
may
or
may
not
come
back
with
those
revisions.
H
L
H
F
That's
why
I
think
it
should
just
be
subject
to
those
changes
and
but
but
still
to
be
done.
Administratively,.
F
Well,
that's
that's!
Where
we're
at
we're
either
going
to
say
it's
at
the
applicant's
discretion
or
we're
going
to
require
it.
A
C
H
I
don't,
I
don't
feel
that
the
design
is
terrible
and
inappropriate,
and
you
know
if
we
were
going
through
the
standards.
I
think
that
I
would
only
suggest
that
it
doesn't
meet
one
that
has
to
do
with
this
the
scale
because
of
the
division
of
the
windows
and
what
we're
what
we've
suggested
or
are
making
optional
is
a
reconsideration
of
the
division
of
some
of
the
windows,
not
all
of
them,
but
some
of
them.
A
F
So
I
I'm
hearing
the
consensus
is
that
we
want
to
approve
this
with
a
recommendation,
not
a
requirement
and
I'm
going
to
read
it
now.
F
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
regarding
1615
judson
avenue,
landmark
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
case,
22
prez-0002.
F
F
The
existing
rear
volume,
single
story,
edition
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
three,
seven,
eight
and
twelve,
and
with
the
recommendation
that
the
applicant
consider
adding
a
horizontal
meeting
rail
on
the
second
floor,
bath
windows
and
review
the
proportions
of
those
windows
to
be
more
in
line
with
the
existing
two-story
double
huns
and
revisit
the
stairwell
window.
C
I
L
L
So,
if
you
turn
to
the
maybe
the
the
first
page,
the
site
plan,
the
existing
site
plan
to
get
everybody
situated,
the
there
is
a
rather
awkward
driveway
right
at
the
corner
or
the
northeast
corner
of
the
lot.
That
is
at
the
corner
of
the
alley
and
dartmouth
place.
L
L
We
believe
would
be
an
improvement
on
the
on
the
street.
Since
we
wouldn't
have
this
this
corner
driveway
there,
they
would
increase
the
living
space
that
they
have.
This
would
the
small
garage
attached
will
be
used
as
a
small
family
room
and,
of
course,
we're
trying
to
keep
everything
in
keeping
with
the
architecture
of
the
of
the
home.
L
If
we
go
to
the
second
page,
we'll
see
that
we
are
taking
out
the
curb
cut
and
bringing
back
the
curb
and
keeping
part
of
the
existing
driveway
as
a
small
patio
accessible
from
the
new
newly
built
family
room
instead
of
the
attached
garage
and
on
the
southeast
corner
of
the
lot,
we
see
a
22.42
by
13.3
38
detached
garage.
That
is,
has
a
small
apron
and
is
accessible
only
from
the
alley.
L
If
we
go
to
the
next
page
is
just
the
existing
plan
showing
they're
showing
two
windows
in
the
existing
garage
that
we're
removing
and
we're
actually
going
to
mimic
those
windows
as
a
a
series
of
pairs.
There
will
be
four
of
them
and
there's
also
a
small
section
of
the
wall
that
we're
removing
between
the
existing
living
room
and
the
garage
so
that
we
can
access
that
internally
and
the
overhead
door,
which
is
a
wood
door,
is
being
replaced
with
wood,
aluminum,
flat
wood
doors.
L
And
then
this
is
the
the
proposed
plan
of
the
family
room,
the
windows
on
the
east
side,
of
that
family
room
again,
that
would
mimic
the
existing
pair
will
be
rather
high
for
privacy
and
and
then
there's
a
pair
of
windows
and
side
lights
on
the
north
end,
leading
to
the
small
patio
where
the
existing
paver
driveway
is,
and
then
this
is
the
detached
garage
that
will
be
in
the
southeast
corner
of
the
home
of
the
lot.
L
And
then
this
is
existing
on
top
and
proposed
eliminations
on
the
bottom,
showing
some
new
light
fixtures
that
we're
going
to
put
on
either
side
of
the
existing
opening.
The
existing
opening
is
exactly
seven
foot
tall,
so
we're
going
to
use
six
foot
eight
standard
height
doors
with
a
small
built
up
floor
since
the
existing
concrete
floor
is
not
level
so
we're
gonna
have
to
build
it
up
and
that
way
we
can
step
down
one
step
into
this
space.
L
There
will
be
lots
of
light.
There
is
some
vegetation
and
some
fencing
that
that
exists
there,
that
will,
that
will
remain.
That
will
provide
some
of
the
privacy
that
my
clients
would
need
there,
and
if
we
go
to
the
next
elevations,
this
will
be
the
east
elevation
on
the
top.
You
see
the
pair
windows
that
we
are
removing
they're
they're,
also
in
that
shape
and
and
we're
replacing
with
a
series
of
similar
windows
that
march
along
the
family
room.
This
is
the
view
from
the
alley.
L
This
is
only
visible
from
the
alley
and
there
is
a
big
fence.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
the
pictures
loaded
arcade,
but
there's
a
tall
six
foot
fence
that
marches
along
this
entire
elevation,
all
the
way
up
to
the
door
that
you
see,
which
leads
to
the
kitchen.
So
most
of
all,
these
things
will
be
very
readily
visible,
especially
in
the
summer,
but
of
course
we're
trying
to
to
be
sensible
to
the
architecture
of
the
home,
and
then
this
is
the
detached
garage.
L
We
are
matching
the
roof
pitch,
we're
matching
the
materials
in
the
home,
we're
making
it
scaled
down
compared
to
the
home,
so
to
establish
a
hierarchy
that
this
is
a
accessory
structure
to
the
main
home
and
matching
again
pitch.
Like
I
mentioned
that,
instead
of
doing
vertical,
siding-
which
which
is
mostly
what
exists
in
the
home,
we
are
proposing
horizontal
siding
to
to
kind
of
accentuate
the
horizontality
of
the
whole.
The
whole
composition.
L
Do
we
have
the
3d
models?
Okay,
that
we
could
present.
D
L
Yeah,
maybe
just
to
the
window,
details
because
yeah
these
are
the
oh
sorry.
These
are
the
existing
ones.
The
very
very
simple
wood
windows
that
they're
they're.
They
are
all
wood
right
now
there
is
a
precedent
in
the
home
in
other
areas
of
the
home,
where
the
woods
are
clad.
The
windows
are
clad,
we
don't
know
if
they're
original
or
not,
they
don't
look
very
new
at
all,
so
it's
possible.
L
L
This
is
so
the
what
you
see
on
the
left
will
be
the
only
change
visible
from
the
front
of
the
house
and
then
here
on
the
right.
We
see
the
detached
garage
in
in
relation
to
the
home,
and
this
is
this
is
situated
exactly
as
we're
proposing
it.
So
we
can
tell
that
we're
matching
the
group
pitches,
some
of
the
proportions
and
and
just
the
language
of
the
of
the
home.
L
L
L
I
think
that
that
concludes
my
presentation.
If
you
guys
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer.
A
Thank
you
any
questions
or
discussion.
B
C
B
B
L
H
H
Yeah
yeah,
so
so
the
question
is
what
what
to
align
with
with?
What
correct?
Did
you
consider
replacing
the
glass
block,
or
is
that
a
unique
feature
considered
a
unique
feature
of
keck's
houses?
You
know.
L
I
I
don't
know,
but
I
know
it
is
original
going
back
in
pictures
from
the
home.
It
is
present
and
it's
something
that
is
actually
and
the
glass
block
is
in
the
kitchen
actually
yeah.
I
assumed
it.
H
Was
a
different
space,
but
I
mean
you've
gone
to
great
care
to
alter
the
one
window.
So
it's
the
same
as
your
row
of
three
smaller
windows,
which
I
think
is
a
nice
decision
to
make,
and
then
you
get
this
anomaly
where
the
kitchen
window
seal
drops
down
and
you've
got
a
sort
of
funny
condition
with
the
vertical
siding
above
it
where
it
actually
has
to
pop
up
over
the
over
the
new
window.
H
H
It
would,
you
know,
only
go
to
help
his
reputation
or
further
enhance
it
sure.
L
You
know
there's
something
we
could
do
here
too,
and
we
could
go
either
way.
We
could
take
all
these
windows
and
bring
them
down
to
match
the
sill
height
and
we'll
be
within
an
inch
of
the
top
of
those
windows
where
the
siding
currently
ends.
So
we
could
easily
match
that
they
just
wouldn't
match
the
height
of
the
front
facing
doors
which
we
felt
they
would.
It
would
be
a
nice
thing
to
do,
especially.
H
It's
always
nice
to
align
heads
and
windows
and
heads
of
doors,
but
in
this
case
I
mean,
maybe
it
would
be
more
important
to
have
all
of
those
windows
read
as
as
a
as
a
as
a
band
or
almost
a
ribbon
window.
H
L
So
the
the
glass
blocks
are
six
by
six,
so
they're
24
inches
tall
with
plus
a
small,
probably
a
brick,
mold
or
something
it'll
be
virtually
the
same
height.
So
we
could
easily
bring
it
down.
I
believe
it's
two
and
a
half
courses
of
bricks
we're
talking
less
than
eight
inches.
We
would
still
get
the
desired
effect
in
the
inside
because
it
would
be
higher
windows
and
then
we
can
then
all
the
tops
and
seals
could
align.
That's
something
we
could
easily
do.
H
Yeah
I
that
that
would
be
my
my
preference
there.
I
I
have
a
question
for
you
and
I'm
assuming
that
it's
a
budgetary
decision,
since
the
bulk
of
the
house
is
brick
and
you're
doing
the
garage
in
wood
rather
than
a
brick
veneer
is,
was
that
because
of
the
client's
budget,
as
a
decision.
L
It's
actually
because
of
the
space,
so
we
need
to
have
a
certain
distance
between
the
home
and
the
garage
10
feet
and
by
the
time
you
add,
the
veneer
you
end
up
with
a
rather
narrow.
H
D
H
Well,
the
materials
are
curious
all
by
themselves,
because
you
you
get
panels,
you
get
panels
of
vertical
siding
and
then
the
the
pieces
that
project
up
above
the
roof
are
shingles
correct.
L
There's
some
sort
of
like
like
a
wide
shingle
in
running
bond
pattern
and
then,
of
course,
the
painted
brick
everywhere.
L
We're
using
we're
using
horizontal
siding
to
match
the
exposure
of
the
existing
wood,
siding.
That's
in
the
house.
B
B
L
Garage
window,
we
we
would
like
to
do
that
because
they
face
the
west
side.
They
really
would
not
be
visible
any
elevation
only
from
the
from
the
yard.
We
could
change
that
to
to
a
clad
wood
window
to
aluminum-clad
window.
These
are
the
the
two
windows
in
question.
B
I
think
because
in
my
opinion-
and
I
don't
know
what
my
fellow
commissioners
would
say,
but
I
think
since
it's
a
landmark
building
and
you
we're
already
changing
some
of
the
materiality
of
the
horizontal
siding,
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
try
to
maintain
those
windows
to
be
similar
to
what
you're
putting
if,
if
that's
something
that
you
definitely
would
consider-
and
I
think
the
other
thing
it's
it's
probably
minor-
and
it's
not
something
I
necessarily
require.
B
But
would
it
be
possible
to
maybe
match
the
pattern
of
the
original
garage
door
with
the
new
door
just
to
kind
of
pull
that
rhythm
through?
I
know
it's
really
minimal,
but
it's
a.
L
B
H
H
Oh
keep
going
yeah
that
one
the.
What
does
it
say
proposed
front
north
elevation,
what
I'm
kind!
What
I'm
sort
of
wondering
about
is
the
the
doors
where
you
show
the
swing,
and
you
show
them
swinging
in
the
frame
of
the
door,
is
shown
at
the
same
thickness
as
the
adjacent
side
lights
and
is
much
thinner
than
the
style
and
rail
that's
shown
on
the
existing
older
door,
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
was
a
sliding
door.
H
I
would
understand
the
graphics,
but
won't
you
have
to
have
enough
style
there
to
put
hardware
in.
L
C
L
It
is,
I
think
it
is
you,
you
are
correct
the
style
there
will
be
a
little
bit
thicker
than
I'm,
showing.
H
So
so
it'll
it'll
look
very
much
like
the
door
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
that
elevation,
although
that
looks
it
looks
like
it's
drawn
at
about
three
inches
correct
and
I
think,
to
send
to
center
a
lock
set
based
on
back
set
of
modern
hardware.
You
need
at
least
four
and
a
half
inches,
so
I
I
don't
know,
but
it's
not
an
issue
with
the
design.
For
me,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
about
it.
A
All
right-
and
so
it's
I
guess
in
terms
of
a
motion
to
approve
it,
seemed
as
if
we
we
want.
I
mean
I
think
the
easy
change
was
the
changed
out,
the
fiberglass
window
in
the
garage
to
a
wood-clad
window,
and
then
the
one
that
was
maybe
a
little
more
subjective
was
the
placement
of
the
line
of
windows
on
the
west
elevation.
L
Well,
we
can't
drop
the
floor
because
we
we
need
to
build
it
up
and
if
we
wanted
to
align
that
it
would
require
a
custom
door
but,
more
importantly,
the
this
is
the
existing
opening
already
of
the
overhead
door.
So
that's
that
was
kind
of
the
determining
factor
that
is
there's
an
existing
opening
that
we're
gonna
work
within
so
it
may.
L
They
may
not
line
up
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
which,
when
do
you
line
up
the
doors
or
the
or
the
glass
block
window,
and
we
thought
the
door
is
actually
a
more
prominent
thing
that
corner
it
might
be
the
more
prominent
angle
than
just
the
side
elevation,
which
is
obscured
by
vegetation
and
a
fence,
and
it's
only
viewable
visible
from
an
alley,
whereas
this
is
visible
from
the
stream.
B
I
think
it
makes
sen.
I
mean
now
that
we've
heard
that
the
reasoning
behind
it,
I
think,
with
the
door
being
a
fixed
position
and
being
in
an
existing
opening,
I'd
be
okay
with
leaving
it
how
they
propose
it.
J
I
agree
because
then
you
have
a
more
primary
elevation
and
view
lining
up.
G
I
think
it'd
be
successful
either
way,
so
I'm
happy
with
it
aligning
with
the
door
or
dropping
down
to
align
with
the
soles.
L
F
I
did
want
to
ask
about
the
siding
decision
on
the
garage.
I
I
assume
that
that
is
in
our
jurisdiction
to
say
whether
or
not
it
could
be
horizontal
or
vertical
and
there's
so
many
materials
here
that
I
I
am,
I
am
concerned
about
adding
another
direction.
H
Well,
the
other
issue
for
me
is
that
if
it's,
if
you
did,
do
it
vertical,
you
could
basically
detail
it,
so
you
wouldn't
need
the
corner
boards.
H
H
D
Yeah
to
his
credit,
stewart
and
john,
they
originally
proposed
a
vertical
sighting
and
I
think
you
know
probably
myself
and
carlos
convinced
him
to
go
a
little
bit
of
a
different
route.
I
I
personally
felt
like
it
competed
a
little
bit
with
the
house,
but
he
did
propose
vertical
siding.
Originally.
L
H
Good
for
you,
I'm
looking
at
this
on
a
laptop
screen,
which
is
the
way
I
reviewed
it
the
other
day
and.
C
F
L
There's
some
sort
of
oversized
running
bomb
asphalt,
shingles.
It's
rather
strange.
I've
never
seen
it
before
yeah
yeah.
H
D
L
H
Correct
so
three
three
and
five
eighths
over
thereabouts.
I
don't
know
how
I
feel
about
that,
but
certainly
not
a
deal.
Breaker.
F
I
am
carlos
you
broke
up,
but
we
got
the
gist
of
what
you
were
saying
there,
that
it
was
that
it
was
so.
It
would
harmonize
more
with
the
horizontality
of
the
brick
coursing,
which
I
I
get
and
vertical
might
look
more
like
a.
I
don't
know
a
ski
chalet
or
something
like
that.
So
I
think
I
I
think
I
see
the
the
the
reasoning
behind
that
and
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
it.
H
Thank
you,
gee.
If
you
had
a
big
budget,
you
could
do
siding
like
wood
siding
like
at
mount
vernon.
You
could
take
the
horizontal
boards
and
put
vertical
v
grooves
in
them
and
and
put
them
up
as
if
they
were
in
fact
course
masonry.
That's
crazy!.
H
Okay,
yeah,
I
do
okay,
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
occupancy
for
window
changes
to
the
existing
structure
at
3312
dartmouth
place
and
the
construction
of
a
new
wood
frame
garage,
applicable
standards,
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
five,
seven,
eight
and
ten
through
fourteen,
and
that
we
and
that
we
require
that
the
vinyl
window
in
the
garage
be
replaced
with
a
wood,
clat
wood,
clad
window
to
match
the
windows
being
used
on
the
as
replacement
windows
in
the
house
or
not
replacement
windows.
K
That's
how
you
make
a
second,
I
think
stewart
meant
to
say
certificate
of
appropriate
nano
options.
H
A
G
C
D
Okay,
let's
see
we
do
have
minutes
for
approval.
D
Yeah
I
just
I
just
received
both
of
those
this
past
week.
I
think.
B
D
D
A
All
right,
so
I
guess
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
A
That,
second,
I
guess
we
need
a
role
called
commissioner
reinhold
hi,
mr
cohen
aye,
mr
beaudin.
A
Edward
esco
hi,
okay,
mr
klein,
has
to
abstain
here.
Commissioner
morris
hi,
commissioner
jacobs,
hi
and
aleca
were
you
here.
A
Okay
and
I
we'll
vote,
I.
D
Year
and
we
had
three
members
who
graciously
accepted
nominations,
so,
commissioner
reinhold
as
chair
stewart,
as
vice
chair
and
beth
as
a
secretary,
and
I
think
we
can
do
something
similar
mark
as
last
year,
where
we
just
voted
on
the
slate
of
electors
since
they're.
Not
there's
no
opposition.
A
Okay,
so
we'll
just
do
a
yes
or
no
vote.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
I'll.
Do
a
roll
call
vote
to
elect
the
three
individuals
so
nominated
commissioner
reinhold.
I
D
And
next
I'll
turn
it
I'll
turn
this
over
to
to
carlos.
D
J
A
I,
and
I
mean
I-
was
thinking
the
other
day
that
you
know
the
commission's
lucky
to
have
a
you
know,
a
great
cadre
of
people
to
step
in
and
who,
at
this
point,
have
really
a
lot
of
experience
and
are
ready
to
go.
A
K
K
So
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
draft
two
of
the
design
guidelines
and
I
had
the
opportunity
to
have
some
conversations
over
the
internet
with
stewart,
particularly
about
the
guy,
the
guidelines
and
the
tech
that
you
see.
Basically,
this
is
sort
of
the
beginning
of
the
text
that
will
be
included,
hopefully
for
the
design
guidelines,
and
I
basically
did
a
lot
of
research
to
see
other
communities
how
they
treat
the
design
guidelines
just
to
have
a
flavor
feeling
of
what
you
know.
K
And
julie
and
jamie
to
give
us
some
input
about
the
way
it's
been
developed.
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
discuss
a
little
bit
is
that
we
do
have
the
2019
design
guidelines
that
were
published
on
the
online
and
when
we
read
about
those
more
carefully
there
are
actually
procedural
guidelines.
K
K
So
I
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
include
at
least
one
of
the
comments
that
stuart
sent
to
me.
It
had
to
do
with
the
aspect
of
appeals
where
the
clarification
that
he
was
proposing
is
that
when
an
applicant
does
not
agree
to
make
any
alterations,
then
if
the
commission
has
to
make
a
decision
to
deny
that
was
that,
basically,
they
were
given
the
opportunity
to
to
to
review
their
project,
but
the
applicant
did
not
choose
to
do
that.
K
So
that's
the
way
the
way
I'm
envisioning
this
and
I
wanted
to
make
it
very
much
local,
not
necessarily
just
addressing
or
going
to
the
secretary
of
interior's
standards
for
historic
preservation,
but
that
these
guidelines
will
be
showing
examples
in
evanston
and
trying
to
make
it
local.
So
that's
what
I'd
like
to
just
give
you
an
overview
of
everything.
Unless
you
have
any
comments
about
anything,
you
read
on
this
document.
I
I
have
one
question:
I
was
wondering
if
any
consideration
was
taken
for
relaxed
design,
regulations
for
properties
that
are
listed
for
cultural
reasons
and
not
for
architectural
significance
and
and
how
the
design
guidelines
would
be
applied
to
a
structure
or
building
that
was
listed
for
cultural
reasons.
K
I
I
think
the
guidelines
would
basically
talk
about
maintaining
the
characters
of
the
buildings.
So
if
you
have
a
building
that
is
culturally
significant,
it's
not
just
to
say
architectural
significance.
We
would
not
ask
them
to
make
it
architectural
significance.
We
will
maintain
the
character
of
the
building
in
terms
of
material
design,
scale
proportions,
and
things
like
that,
so
we're
not
trying
to
make
something
that
is
not,
but
at
the
same
time
we
want
to
recognize
those
landmarks
that
are
landmarks
for
what
they
are,
but
whether
architecturally
significant
or
they
are
in
cell
well.
K
H
All
right,
thank
you,
guidelines,
yeah.
I
think
I
I
would
tend
to
agree
with
carlos.
I
think
the
guidelines
for
alteration
are
at
least
in
one
architectural
view
of
the
world
and
one
set
of
theoretical
positions,
good
guidelines
for
how
to
make
an
addition
to
anything
whether
it's
a
you
know,
a
landmark
piece
of
architecture
or
not.
K
That's
right
so
again
we
are
looking
at
this
as
a
tool
for
the
owner
architect
contractor
to
be
able
to
understand
what
the
intent
is
of
the
audience,
which
is
maintaining
the
character
of
buildings
and
the
standards
are
there
for
a
reason,
but
in
order
to
get
there,
you
need
to
follow
these
guidelines
in
order
to
get
there.
So
that's
this
is
the
means
to
get
to
meeting
the
standard
for
review.
H
I
think
your
definition
was
was
a
nice
one,
but
then
I
think,
for
instance,
the
guidelines
simply
should
say
in
in
considering
you
know
in
considering
how
how
you
alter
or
add
on
to
building,
please
refer
to
the
criteria
by
which
it
will
be
judged,
which
are
the
standards
for
alteration
rather
than
reiterating
the
standards
for
alteration
as
part
of
the
guidelines.
K
Well
again,
the
the
reason
why
they're
here
is
because
we
wanted
to
provide
the
applicant
what
the
standards
are,
but
then
we're
going
to
dedicate
a
whole
new
section
about
the
guidelines,
how
the
guidelines
actually
help
you
to
get
to
the
standards.
So
we're
not
going
to
repeat
the
standards
of
guidelines.
K
Those
are
that's
the
end
that
not
not
the
way
to
get
there,
but
I
think
that
if
people
know
clearly
that
the
standards
are
different
from
the
guidelines
in
terms
of
what
they
mean,
I
think
we
try
to
make
it
easier
for
them
that
way,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
don't
want
to
make
sure
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
confusion
or
misunderstanding
what
the
guidelines
are
all
about
what
the
standards
are
all
about.
We.
C
H
K
D
K
K
K
You
know
I'm
spending
time
going
to
the
neighborhoods
looking
at
the
homes
reading
a
lot
of
the
documentation
we
currently
have
with
the
natural
historic
district
survey
and
also
the
landmarks
that
we
have
a
document
for
each.
So
I'm
really
trying
to
make
sure
that
people
have
the
feeling
that
this
is
about
evanston,
not
the
national
registered
quality.
K
J
I
have
kind
of
an
unreal
well
related,
but
unrelated
question,
which
is-
and
I
may
have
missed
this
in
one
of
the
other
meetings,
but
can
at
what
point
will
people
be
able
to
go
online
and
get
a
copy
of
of
all
you
know
if
their
homes,
oh
my
god,
I'm
blanking
the
listing
for
their
their
home?
I
mean
in
the
lake
lakefront
historic
district.
J
D
You
can
access
the
the
landmarks
outside
of
districts.
That
report
is
available,
the
other
districts
don't
have
survey
sheets
in
the
same
way,
so
that
I
mean
that's
something
that
we
should
look
at
at
through
the
certified
local
government
program.
We
should
look
at
resurvey
in
those
districts
in
the
future
so
that
we
have
something
more
similar
to
the
lakeshore
district,
which
is
really
some
somewhat
of
a
standard
that
we
should
try
to
follow.
It's
really
well
done.
H
Kade,
do
we
have
enough
information
that
it
would
be
possible
for
anyone
who
owns
a
house
or
is
buying
a
house
in
evanston
to
go
online,
put
in
the
address
and
see
immediately
whether
it's
landmark
contributing
structure
in
a
landmark
district
or
no
designation
and
no
no
requirements?
H
D
You
can,
and
it's
very
it's
it's
also
it's.
I
think
it's
either
the
first
or
the
second
thing
on
the
historic
preservation
page.
The
only
thing
that
you
can't
find
that
you
just
talked
about
was
contributing
versus
non-contributing,
but
our,
but
our
code
doesn't
doesn't
draw
distinction
between
the
two
anyway.
F
D
Yeah,
that's
really
the
root
of
it
is
the
gis
and
then
it's
it's
kind
of
compartmentalized
into
a
public
portal
called.
I
think
it's
called
the
citizen
portal
and
it
that's
kind
of
a
a
bridged
version
of
the
full
gis
mapping
layers
that,
like
carlos
and
I
have
have
access
to.
D
But
it's
it's
relatively
easy
to
pull
that
up
or
about
my
place,
not
citizen
portal.
Sorry
about
my
place
and
yeah.
It's
relatively
easy
to
just
navigate
to
there's
a
section
on
yeah.
I
think
it's
called
like
historic
status
or
something
and
it
it
either
says
landmark:
yes,
no
local
district
and
then
it
would
say
either
no
or
or
list
which
one-
and
it
also
has
a
federal
designation.
D
Correct
it
is
yeah
and,
and
we've
actually,
we've
had
a
really
a
decent
amount
of
success
with
the
homeowner
welcome
letter
that
was
developed
in
this
last
year
and
putting
information
on
the
website
that
they
can
reach
out
to
us
for
for
information
on
on
their
home,
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
realtors
that
reach
out
both
for
historic
information
on
the
home
itself,
as
well
as
a
lot
of
questions
about
process
involved.
With
the
binding
review.
H
K
Yeah
but
again
stewart
we're
not
redoing
the
guidelines,
there's
no
guidelines
per
se
right
now
there
are
standards.
Excuse
me,
standards
for
review
and
a
procedural
guideline.
That's
what
it
is
right
there
mostly,
and
there
is
a
section
that
deals
with
guidance,
which
I
alluded
earlier
in
our
communication
that
we
can
easily
plug
in
the
guidelines
to
expand
what
it
is.
Okay,.
H
I
don't
want
to
extend
this
as
a
protracted
discussion,
but
I
mean
I
I
think
the
great
usefulness
of
anything
online
is
that
there
is
a
guideline
should
in
fact
be,
as
you
said,
procedural
guidelines,
here's
what
you
have
to
do.
K
F
I
wonder
if
that
term
guidelines
is
a
little
too
heavy
and
if
there
was
a
little
bit
softer
word
that
suggested.
You
know
more
of
the
how-to
recommendations
of
this
and
not
a
steadfast
rule
of
which
the
standards.
D
Yeah,
the
only
issue
with
that
john
is
that
the
the
terminology
design
guidelines
is
what's
referenced
in
the
ordinance
and
so
for
this
to
have
any
real
impact.
I
think
that
you
need
to
follow
that
language.
It's
also
relatively
like
a
just
standard
terminology
across
the
profession
that
we
should
probably
stick
with.
K
C
D
You
know
I
I
wonder
too,
based
on
this
conversation,
if,
if
something
that
may
be
beneficial
is
to
maybe
we
can
look
up
and
and
distribute
some
examples
that
are
a
little
more
divergent
and
and
maybe
there's
a
municipality
that
does
it
the
way
that
we're
more
comfortable
with
I'm
just
just
kind
of
thinking
out
loud,
I
used
to
have
an
old
boss
of
mine,
that
used
to
say
it
was
really
important
to
do
r
d,
and
you
know
you're
thinking
like
research
and
development,
but
it
would
stand
for
rip
off
and
duplicate.
D
So
you
don't
you
don't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel,
necessarily
there's
there's
a
lot
of
really
good
examples
that
have
that
have
been
done
that
are
out
there
and
and
there's
examples
that
are,
are
really
strict
and
there's
examples
that
that
aren't
and
provide
a
lot
more
room
for
for
creativity
and
in
finding
different
solutions
that
that
meet
the
standards.
In
the
same
way.
I
don't
know
if
that.
B
Would
be
worthwhile
carlos,
I
mean
we've
already
seen
a
couple
of
those
that
carlos
presented
to
us.
I
believe
carlos
wasn't
at
the
like
san
antonio
ones
and
and
and
those,
and
I
think
that
those
did
exactly
that.
I
think
they
gave
us
a
good
idea
of
some
good
examples
of
clear
guidelines
that
I'm
sure
that
those
municipalities
took
a
long
time
and
a
lot
of
effort
to
do
so.
B
Maybe
we
recirculate
those
so
that
people
can
just
remind
themselves
of
those
examples
and
then,
if
you
guys
do
find
any
other
examples,
but
I
think
some
of
those
I
know
that
san
antonio
one
sticks
in
my
head
very
like
significantly.
I
thought
it
was
very
clear
and
very
well
done
so
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
found
other
ones
that
you
would
like
to
distribute,
but
I
know
that
those
were
helpful
back
when
we
talked
about
it.
Many
months
ago.
D
Yeah
I'd
forgotten
that
we
shared
some
of
those
those
those
are
a
good
example
just
because
they're
they're,
relatively
broad
in
their
explanation
of
the
different
components
but
they're.
Also
relatively
brief,
which
I
think
is,
is
a
nice
example
to
try
to
follow
it's.
Not
this
really
lengthy
document.
It's
really
easy
to
to
navigate
it's
a
little
more
illustrative.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
agree,
I
don't
know
if
stewart
was
alluding
to
this,
but
I
do
think
that
short
and
sweet
would
be
helpful
in
evanston,
since
a
lot
of
our
documents
are
very
lengthy
and
in-depth.
I
think
it'd
be
good
to
give
some
homeowners
that
maybe
aren't
so
used
to
the
terminologies
a
document,
that's
a
little
bit
easier
to
navigate
and
and
something
that
helps
send
them
a
little
bit
on
their
way
and
points
them
in
the
right
directions,
as
opposed
to
the
stuff.
That
is
very.
K
I
definitely
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
don't
want
something
that
goes
too
long
or
it's
confusing
for
the
applicants,
and
we
know
that
because
we
talk
to
the
applicants,
owners
or
architects
or
contractors
every
day
during
the
week
and
they're
trying
to
figure
out
what
this
means
and
it's
important
that
we
can
provide
something
that
they
can
look
at
it
and
understand
better.
What
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
is.
B
I
think
too,
just
one
thing
that
pops
in
my
mind,
as
as
we
go
through
these
example
or
their
agenda
items,
I
think
it'd
be
good
to
like
have
like
you
mentioned
carlos
some
local
examples
of
projects
that
have
done
certain
things.
Well,
maybe
relate
to
like
a
roof
shape
or
something
I
think
if
we
can
start
keeping
that
in
the
back
of
our
minds
as
we
go
through
our
agendas.
D
C
K
D
It
is
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on.
I
don't
have
anything
to
present.
It's
been
a
little
bit
more
of
a
work
in
progress,
but
I
did
just
want
to
update
the
commission
that
I
sent
out
two
separate
prompts
to
the
three
members.
The
first
was
was
a
kind
of
a
visioning
exercise
and
it
had
some
background
on
both
kind
of
the
goals
and
objectives
as
well
as
why
it's
important-
and
that
was
completed
geez
maybe
two
months
ago,
and
we
got
some
really
good,
really
excellent
feedback.
D
And
then
from
that,
I
crafted
a
draft
vision
statement
and
some
example
kind
of
value
statements
that
are
currently
under
review
and
then
the
hope
is
that
next
month
I
can
at
least
share
that
that
vision,
statement
with
the
the
rest
of
the
body.
A
Okay,
anything
else
nope
all
right.
Could
we
wait.
B
A
Second,
second
bath,
all
in
favor,
hi,
hi,
hi,
all
right
see
you
next
month
and
you
better
be
here
and
be
ready.
H
Oh,
I've
agreed
to
do
the
job
if
it
was
honorific
they'll
be
warned.