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A
A
So
we
only
have
one
case
tonight
so
and
it
is
continuing
from
last
month,
so
I
will
skip
the
formalities
for
meeting
procedures
and
we
will
go
straight
into
just
old
business.
A
First
thing,
though
I
would
like
to
I
guess:
I
have
to
call
to
order
the
july
12
2022
meeting.
It
is
704
pm.
We
have
nine
commissioners
present,
which
is
a
quorum.
C
A
A
So
there
were
a
series
of
comments
about
primarily
about
the
front
facade
and
about
the
bay
and
the
overhead,
and
so
there
were
a
couple
things
that
we
did
to
modify
that.
A
So
we
have
the
main
thing.
Is
we
have
a
continuous
overhang
now,
so
it's
cantilevered,
which
is
in
character
with
the
modern
home
and
what
we
did
with
the
bay
is
we
simplified
the
bay
and
we
made
it
project
over
the
roof
heave
so
that
it
becomes
similar
to
other
projections
in
the
neighborhood.
You
can
see
other
roofs
break
through
that
plane.
A
I'm
sorry
other
bays
right
through
that
plane.
So
we're
doing
that
as
well.
We
clad
that
bay
and
a
little
side
component
a
little
planter
wall
in
siding,
so
we
have
two
materials
on
the
building.
We
have
stucco,
which
is
on
a
number
of
the
homes,
and
we
have
siding
so
we're
relating
to
the
materials
in
the
neighborhood,
and
we
have
one
very,
very
fine,
little
piece,
which
is
this
little
projection
here.
A
5
8
inch
projection
so
that
the
proportions
so
it
didn't
look
so
tall
and
that'll
be
just
a
simple
shadow
line.
A
Really,
that's
that's
about
it.
We
also
moved
the
building
into
position
better.
I
think
we
misunderstood
where
the
front
of
the
building
could
it
should
go.
So
it's
in
line
with
the
other
buildings
now,
and
I
would
also
like
to
show
this
is
the
view
of
the
neighboring
buildings.
We
were
asked
to
kind
of
look
at
it
in
a
little
bit
more
totality.
A
I
guess
I
would
say
there
are
no.
The
buildings
are
all
different
in
the
neighborhood,
so
these
lines
line
up
with
certain
parts.
But
honestly,
none
of
these
are
going
to
be
an
exact
copy.
It's
almost
like
it's
an
average
and
even
that
it
really
varies.
A
bit-
but
let
me
just
go
through
some
of
this
there's
a
yellow
line
here,
I'm
going
to
zoom
in
and
then
I'll
zoom
right
back
out,
this
yellow
line
lines
up
more
or
less,
with
the
height
of
this
building,
which
is
two
to
the
north.
A
I
mentioned
in
the
last
meeting.
We
can't
go
really
any
higher
than
what
we've
done.
Zoning
code,
which
is
different,
these
buildings,
could
would
not
necessarily
be
able
to
be
replicated
it's
somewhat
similar
to
the
one.
On
the
end,
this
one
to
the
south
two
to
the
south
is
somewhat
of
an
outlier
in
that
it
doesn't
have
a
porch
and
it
doesn't
have
a
dormer
or
anything
like
that.
A
The
next
line
down
is
our
bottom
of
our
upper
roof
and
that
lines
up
with
my
glasses
here
that
lines
up
with
the
two
adjacent
buildings,
and
then
we
have
our
the
line
of
our
overhang.
So
now
we're
we're
lower
because
of
what
we
talked
about
last
time
with
aging
in
place.
So
we're
not
going
to
be
six
seven.
A
Eight
steps
up
this
more
or
less
lines
up
with
the
other
ones
and
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
minute
the
view
from
inside
of
there
and
then
this
pink
box
again
is
more
or
less
the
size
and
height
and
proportion
of
the
adjacent
porches,
not
exact.
Again.
A
If
you
look
at
these
five
buildings,
they
are
all
very
different.
You
know
the
one
to
the
two
to
the
north
is
quite
a
bit
narrower.
The
one
directly
to
the
north
is
the
widest
one.
So
there's
a
range
of
them,
but
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
make
sense
of
that,
and
so
here's
I'm
going
to
go
on
to
the
porch.
Now.
A
A
A
So
I
tried
to
listen
to
the
comments
that
we
had
last
time
and
I
tried
to
respond
to
them.
I
think
that
the
horizontal
element
unifies
that
in
a
very
modern
way,
it's
cantilever
like
a
lot
of
modern
buildings.
Are
it's
not
supported
with
ties
or
rods
or
anything
which
always
did
never
looks
right
to
me
and
that's
what
I've
done?
A
I
can
go
through
the
standards
and
I
think
I've
shown
a
lot
of
this,
but
if
you
need
to,
if
anyone
wants
me
to,
I
can
reference
them,
while
speaking
so.
The
first
one
about
height
shall
be
visually
compatible
with
the
adjacent
properties,
and
so
again,
that's
what
we
tried
to
do
with
the
height
limit
that
we
were
set
at
the
first
floor
ceiling
is
10
feet
tall,
and
I
think
it's
interesting
to
understand
why
the
old
buildings
were
done
like
that,
especially
when
people
were
shorter.
A
It
was
for
the
heats
to
rise
up
in
the
summer
and
we're
doing
that
again,
because
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
for
the
high
performance
building
that
we're
doing
the
proportion
of
the
facades.
The
relationship
of
the
width
height
of
the
facade
shall
be
visually
compatible
with
the
neighboring
properties,
so
the
proportion
of
facade
and
its
massing
was
carefully
designed
to
have
its
proportions
related
to
the
adjacent
structures.
A
The
proportion
of
the
openings,
the
relationship,
the
width
to
height
of
windows
and
doors,
shall
be
visually
visually,
compatible
with
the
neighbors.
A
So
again,
there's
this
range.
What
we're
trying
to
stay
away
from
you
know
in
a
modern
building.
You
could
easily
have
horizontal
windows.
We
obviously
didn't
want
to
do
that.
These
are
proportion
looking
at
how
the
other
windows
and
doors
in
the
neighborhood
are
set
up
rhythm
of
solids
and
voids
in
the
facade.
A
The
relationship
of
solace,
devoids
and
the
facade
of
the
structure
shall
be
visually
compatible
with
the
neighbors,
the
home
two
to
the
north
and
to
the
south
and
lower
window
to
wall
ratio,
while
the
homes
immediately
to
the
north
and
south
and
higher
window
to
wall
ratio,
so
we're
somewhere
in
the
in
that
range,
the
rhythm
of
spacing
and
struck
and
structures
on
the
street.
A
The
relationship
of
a
structure
object
to
the
open
space
between
it
and
adjoining
structures
shall
be
visually
compatible
with
the
neighbors.
So
by
infilling
this
lot
we
take
away,
obviously
the
problem
of
a
hole
in
the
urban
fabric
and
we've
broken
down
the
mass
of
this.
With
with
the
major
mass
and
minor
mass.
I
mentioned
that
last
time.
So
that's
somewhat
typical
of
almost
every
house
in
the
neighborhood,
the
building's
aligned
with
the
front
facade
of
the
neighboring
buildings.
A
The
unusual
one
is
that
the
building
to
the
north
turn
off
the
trees
here,
building
to
the
north
because
of
its
impermeable
surface
characteristics,
they
ended
up
when
they
sold
the
property
taking
more
than
splitting
it
in
half.
So
there's
a
bigger
gap
here,
but
that
was
a
circumstance
that
we
didn't
have
any
control
over
the
rhythm
of
entrance,
porches
and
other
projections.
A
A
They'll
typically
have
an
offset
entry,
and
then
it
has
now
the
continuous
cutter
forge
the
relationship
of
materials
and
texture
again
we're
using
the
two
materials
that
are
common
in
the
neighborhood
stucco
and
signing
the
roof
shapes
the
shape
of
the
the
rope
shape
of
the
structure,
including
any
roof
mounted
equipment
should
be
visually
compatible
with
the
structures
to
which
it
is
visually
related.
A
Form
a
cohesive
wall,
and
so
that
goes
to
the
alignments
of
the
buildings,
and
it
also
is
a
similar
facade
so
that
rhythm
again,
except
for
this
gap,
that
rhythm
is
going
throughout
the
street.
Now
the
scale
of
the
structure,
the
size
and
maps
and
structures
in
relation
to
open
spaces
windows
door
opens
porches
and
balconies
shall
be
visually
visually
compatible.
A
So
again,
we're
breaking
up
the
mass
here,
similar
to
a
lot
of
the
other
homes
and
again
the
covered
porch
aligns
plus
or
minus
with
the
neighbors
directional
expression
of
the
facades.
So
this
definitely
is
like
again
like
most
of
these
they're
asymmetrical.
So
this
has
some
symmetry
and
some
asymmetry,
just
like
some
of
the
other
buildings
on
the
block.
Most
of
the
other
buildings,
12
and
13-
do
not
apply.
A
14
is
the
innovative
design.
So
I
mentioned
this
before
the
home
is
planned
to
be
evanston's
first
certified
passive
house,
so
super
tight,
very
highly
insulated,
mechanically
controlled,
efficient
ventilation
system,
it's
designed
to
be
net
zero,
meaning
it
produces
more
energy
than
it
uses.
It
will
be
an
all-electric
home
to
decarbonize
its
operational
energy
use
and
has
on-site
electric
car
charging.
A
As
far
as
we
are
aware,
this
is
the
first
home
to
use
in
a
carbon
free
water,
vapor
fireplace.
So
what
is
that?
So?
That
is
this.
Let
me
show
you
this.
B
A
It
produces
heat
with
a
fan,
so
we've
done
this
now
in
one
house,
we've
got
about
three
others
that
we're
about
to
do,
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
fascinating
there's
a
number
of
stores
now
that
are
selling
these.
A
And
the
family
room
has
an
integrated
light
shelf
and
we
mentioned
that
before
in
the
back.
That's
this
area
back
here
so
that
shades
the
sun
in
this
high
sun,
the
high
sun
in
the
summer,
and
it
reflects
the
sun
off
of
this
shelf
deep
into
the
space
for
daylight
and
then
the
last
point
about
natural
ventilation
and
daylighting.
That's
a
pretty
common
feature
of
older
homes
before
energy
was
cheap,
so
we're
utilizing
that
as
well
and
then
the
last
one
new
construction.
A
Considering
new
construction,
such
as
a
new
freestanding
structure,
the
commission
shall
not
impose
a
requirement
for
the
use
of
a
single
architectural
style
period
that
may
impose
requiring
for
compatibility.
So
the
design
is
clearly
modern,
but
we've
tried
to
integrate
a
lot
of
design
features
that
relate
to
the
neighborhood
and
adjacent
structures.
A
So
I
think
that's
all
I
had.
I
know
there
were
a
number
of
letters.
The
last
time
that
were
against
this
I
saw
there
were
five
letters
that
were
for
it,
and
I
understand
there
were
two
that
came
in
at
the
end
at
work
in
favor
of
it.
I
don't
know
that
I
should.
You
know
but
they're,
I
imagine
you
guys
have
seen
them
so
if
you
have
any
questions
or
comments,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them.
A
Thank
you,
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
for
really
taking
the
effort
to
to
provide
a
lot
more
information
in
regards
to
the
standards
and
how
you
came
about
your
decisions,
including
that
with
the
rendering
and
the
modeling.
I
think
that
it's
been
very
helpful.
Well,
it's
been
it's
been
helpful
for
us
too.
I
think
that
we
think
we
did
a
better
job
this
time,
so.
A
A
So
I
actually
and
then
I'll
start.
I
have
one
question.
I
think
the
one
area
that
my
my
mind
goes
to
is
the
termination
of
the
top
of
the
bay
window,
which
you
said
you
were
mimicking
the
dormers
of
the
adjacent
building,
and
I
completely
understand
that
you're
battling
with
that
modern
version
of
what
a
dormer
should
be,
which
is
a
very
complicated
type
of
application.
A
A
So
that's
a
great
question,
so
we
you
know
this
is
not
science,
so
some
of
it
was
very
subjective
and
I
think
we
just
played
around
with
it
till
it
looked
right.
The
windows
were
wanting
to
be
compatible
first
floor
second
floor,
and
then
we
just
capped
it,
and
we
were
just
looking
at
like
how
high
should
we
go?
I
don't
know
again,
I
don't
think
we
had
like
you
know
the
golden
section
or
anything
like
that
in
mind.
We
just
ended
up
at
that
height.
We
didn't
want
it
way
too
high.
A
Is
it
is
the
ceiling
in
that?
I
think
it's
your
bedroom.
That's
in
the
second
floor,
when
I
look
at
plants
right
that
should
be
better
and
something
I
mean
your
eye
really
draws
up
to
the
top
of
that
termination
of
that
bay
window,
which
then
kind
of
draws
your
eye
to
how
you're
fighting
with
that
that
dormer
modern
right-
and
I
was
just
curious-
is
it
the
first
floor
windows
are
very
much
aligned
at
the
top
of
the
door.
A
The
top
of
you
know
the
rest
of
the
windows
there's
a
very
strong
horizontal
for
the
top
of
your
windows,
whereas
in
the
second
floor
it
looked
like
they
were,
they
were
naturally
offset
regardless.
So
those
other
windows
in
this
one,
these
windows
up
here
these
are
in
actually
pretty
minor
rooms.
D
A
But
no
side
window,
and
then
it
has
this
window,
so
it
was
kind
of
a
little
balancing
act.
This
is
a
closet.
It's
the
primary
bedroom,
walk-in
closet,
that's
a
bathroom
down
on
the
first
floor,
so
these
are
minor
rooms,
so
there's
definitely
a
little
difference
between
the
bay
and
the
bay
just
was
kind
of
like
these
are
the
tall
windows,
and
I-
and
I
didn't
have
any
objections
to
the
the
difference
in
the
two.
A
My
guess
my
question
would
just
be
is:
is
there
a
potential
to
maybe
increase
the
height
of
the
second
floor
bay
windows,
to
try
to
even
out
the
proportions
of
the
top
of
that
bay,
and
then
my
my
fellow
commissioners
can
obviously
jump
in
if
I'm,
if
I'm
speaking
out
of
term,
I
just
get
stuck
a
little
bit
at
the
proportions
of
the
top
of
the
bay,
and
I
was
just
curious
if
it
is
even
feasible
to
make
those
windows
taller.
C
Bay
appear
a
little
bit
lighter.
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
matter
of
moving
the
windows
out,
I
don't
know
if
the
cell
line
can
come
up
or
stretching
the
window
head
itself
or
the
third
option
would
be
some
form
of
transom.
I
wonder
if
we
could
rotate
around
to
the
to
the
rear
elevation,
where
you
have
a
light
shelf
and
see
if
there's
a
similar
vocabulary
there,
that
would
allow
those
windows
to
go
up
higher.
A
A
So
this
is
a
7
foot,
8
head
height
right
now,
and
I
want
to
say
we
have
a
ninth
ceiling
there.
I'm
not
sure
we
probably
have
some
room
to
raise
this
up,
which
would
be
fine
and
we
probably
have
the
ability
to
raise
these
up
slightly
as
well.
A
These
look
tonight
you
know
on
the
back
that
light
shelf
actually
turns
down
and
makes
them
hell
for
them.
I
wonder
yeah
yeah
and-
and
I
like
the
idea.
A
Your
house
and
then
reiterated
that,
like,
if
you
look
at
the
kind
of
proportions
of
the
piece
in
that
both
the
horizontal
and
then
where
it
turns
down,
and
then
you
look
at
the
front,
I'm
wondering
you
know
whether
or
not
that
bay.
A
You
know
whether
or
not
the
vertical
leg
and
the
horizontal
piece
could
be
closer
in
proportion
why
it
needs
to
go
up
and
intercept
the
roof
when
it's
so
clearly
distinctly
a
contemporary
element
and
so
clearly
and
distinctly
really
different.
Looking
from
all
of
the
bays
on
the
other
houses,
you
know,
I
would
say:
either
you
go
closer
today
than
the
other
houses
or
you
make
something
that
works
with
them,
but
is
more
distinctly
different
and
more
consistent
with
the
are
you
creating.
A
Again,
I
think
if
you
know,
if
you
look
up
a
modern
built,
modern
house,
you
will
likely
see
flat
roof
horizontal
windows,
there's
a
whole
series
of
things
that
we're
trying
to
avoid
in
this
area,
so
we're
trying
to
use
our
flat
roof
on
the
bay.
So
I
understand
that
you're
outside
we
do
that
right
right,
but
we're
not
wanting
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
make
this
like
some
post-modern
thing
with
an
arch
on
it
or
something.
So
you
know,
I
think
we
want
you
to.
No,
I
don't
think
anyone
does.
A
But
you
know
the
notion
is
that
this
is
an
element:
intersecting
a
roof,
just
like
that's
an
element:
intersecting
a
roof.
That
is
that
one
has
its
own
type.
If
you
walk
down
the
street
you'll
see
various
versions
again
that
one
on
the
end
is
an
outlier.
It
doesn't
have
that
there's
one
other
on
the
block
that
doesn't.
A
E
Hi
I.
A
Just
want
to
say
did
look
at
the
previous
version
and
I
did
review
the
packet
from
from
june
just
to
be
up
on
this
case.
I
went
for
a
psych
visit
today
and
I
just
want
to
echo
what
some
of
the
commissioners
were
saying.
I
did
feel
like
the
bay
looked
stood
out
to
me.
A
I
almost
preferred
it
in
version,
one
that
you
had
in
june,
but
I
do
want
to
just
say
that
I
thought
the
porch
design
that
you
did
on
this
version
was
much
more
harmonious
with
the
other
neighbors
and
the
the
porch
defense
I
want
to.
You
know
just
say
that
I
thought
that
was
that
was
great.
I
just
was
wondering
piggybacking
off
the
dormer
conversation.
A
If
you
have
considered
putting
dormers
on
the
third
floor
attic,
instead
of
trying
to
extend
that
second
floor,
one
up,
you
know
to
sort
of
bisect
or
you
know,
cut
through
the
existing
roof.
So
this
house,
as
it's
a
passive
house,
has
an
unbelievably
tight
budget
for
heating
and
cooling.
So
we
don't
have
a
basement.
We
are
trying
to
really
compact
the
conditioned
space.
There's
no
way
we're
gonna
have
a
third
floor
of
this.
We're
not
gonna
have
windows
up
there.
A
These
are
all
heat
loss
problems.
You
know
we're
trying.
This
is
a
wild
balancing
account.
Here's,
the
historic
part:
here's
the
energy
efficiency
part,
it's
making
it
look
like
a
nice
house,
there's
a
lot
of
things
a
lot
of
plates.
Spinning
on
this
and
that's
the
song.
The
effort
is
what
you're
seeing
yeah.
I
understand
that,
but,
from
our
point
of
view,
we
have
to,
you
know,
make
sure
it's
compatible
and
I
just
was
a
little.
You
know
wondering
about
standard
date
with
roof
shapes
and
every
house.
A
What
was
notable
to
me
when
I
walked
the
block
today
was
almost
every
house
had
like
a
third
floor,
dormer
or
a
gable
roof,
so
it
did
have
sort
of
a
distinct,
like
triangular
kind
of
shape
that
this
house
doesn't
have
because
of
the
way
it's
situated.
Well,
not
that
one
and
not
a
couple
others
I
mean
the
thing
is:
there's
no.
It's
not
like
we're
building
in
schaumburg
we're.
A
F
F
Left
so
when
you're
looking.
E
Your
porch
on
your
house,
but
and
when
you.
A
F
A
I
think
just
because
of
the
primary
entrance,
why
is
this
not
matched
on
the
other
side?
Yeah?
I
think
that
one
of
the
tenants,
certainly
one
could
say
about
a
modern
house-
is
it's
not
necessarily
symmetrical?
This
isn't
like
a
foursquare
or
something.
So
it's
got
an
offset
entry.
A
There's
the
planter
just
kind
of
de-marking,
the
edge
of
that
a
little
nod
to
the
neighboring
porch
and
a
little
nod
to
our
big
lower
window.
So
and
that's
about
it
I
mean
I
honestly,
I
I
can't
imagine
a
wall
on
that
left
side.
A
I
keep
hesitating
on
you
know.
I
think
we
often
walk
a
fine
line
between
making
sure
that
the
standards
are
met
and
they're
like.
I
think
this
version
does
a
much
better
job
in
the
last
version
at
taking
into
consideration
the
neighborhood
the
key
features.
A
Well,
not
you
know
we,
the
standards
don't
require
that
they're
replicated
exactly
or
things
like
that.
You
know
it
requires
that
you
take
these
features
into
consideration.
There
are
nods
to
them,
and,
and
yet
you
can
be
innovative
and
creative
with
your
design.
A
So
I
just
think
we
have
to
be
careful
of
nitpicking
and
and
think
about
the
major
strokes.
And
what
are
you
know,
which
is
very
hard?
You
know
as
design
professionals
and
things
like
that
to
you
know
nitpicking
designs
or
whatever,
but
I
think
that
this
version
is
much
better
and
takes
into
consideration
where
the
home
is
going,
and
we
should
consider
that.
E
Make
the
the
eve
line
on
the
primary.
A
That
was
definitely
picked
up
from
the
neighboring.
These
two
buildings
are
somewhat
similar.
Again
everything
is
a
little
different
building
my
building,
but
these
two
had
a
pretty
strong
line
there.
So
we
did
pick
that
one
up
very
intentionally,
as
I
mentioned
before,
some
of
the
other
ones
are
more
of
an
average,
but
that
one
was
one
strong.
A
C
E
By
commissioners,
just
just
one
quickly,
the
the
roof
edge.
A
It
is
a
10
foot
first
floor.
I
believe.
A
A
Already,
my
name
is
lj
wool.
It's
nice
to
see
you
again.
I
was
here
last
month
without
this
topic,
and
in
that
instagram
I
hope
you
had
a
nice
time
and
that
you
all
had
the
opportunity
to
take
a
walk
on
our
beautiful
historic
block
to
kind
of
see
the
homes
for
yourself
as
the
renderings
do
not
do
justice
to
the
homes
on
our
street.
A
I
come
here
to
ask
you
to
oppose
this
redesign
while
it
is
better
than
the
one
from
last
month.
It
still
does
not
in
my
view
anyway,
and
some
of
my
neighbors
as
well,
who
could
not
be
here
tonight,
does
not
blend
in
very
well
with
the
neighborhood.
A
Fundamentally,
the
design
isn't
all
that
different
from
what
was
proposed
last
month.
Some
things
remain
unchanged,
like
the
grade
of
the
front
area
is
still
about.
Two
feet
of
memory
serves
from
the
drawings
that
has
been
visually
rendered
with
the
side
wall
by
the
door
and
the
darker
coloring
on
the
front
horizontal
panel
to
create
depth
in
the
drawing.
But
fundamentally
the
porch
is
still
very
low
and
will
be
noticeable
when
you
walk
up
and
down
the
block.
A
A
That's
noticeable
when
you
walk
up
and
down
the
street,
while
the
overhang
that
has
been
added
in
this
design
does
try
to
address
the
lack
of
porch
issue
that
was
brought
up
last
month,
there's
no
vertical
element
and
I'm
not
counting
that
thing
by
the
lower
bay
window.
That's
part
of
the
dormer
there's
no
vertical
element
to
kind
of
in
contain
the
porch,
like
the
other
porches
on
the
street,
so
that
will
also
stick
out
like
a
sore
thumb.
A
And
there
are
some
other
inconsistencies
with
the
rest
of
the
homes
on
the
block,
meaning
the
metal
roof.
None
of
the
homes
have
metal,
roofs,
the
asymmetry
of
the
dark,
I'm
going
to
call
it
siding,
that's
encasing
the
second
floor
and
the
first
floor.
A
A
A
That
way,
but
we've
all
done
that,
because,
when
we
bought
into
the
block
we
knew
it
was
a
historic
home
neighborhood
and
we
want
we
liked
it
the
way
it
looked
so
we
bought
into
the
home
there,
and
I
would
ask
that
the
petitioner
for
this
proposed
home
respect
that,
because
that
does
not
appear
to
be
the
case
and
with
regard
to
mr
kimnes's
five
letters
being
in
favor
of
this
design.
A
If
you
read
closely
you'll
notice
that
one
of
the
letters
was
written
by
someone
who
doesn't
even
live
on
the
street
so
and
two
others
commented
that
they
were
pleased
to
see
some
of
the
changes
but
had
suggested
additional
alterations.
So
they
weren't
all
necessarily
in
favor.
One
letter
didn't
comment
really
on
the
design
at
all.
A
F
The
next
speaker
is
peter
seagal,.
A
I
also
host
this
design.
Well,
I
appreciate
some
of
the
moves
made
to
try
to
progress.
The
comments
from
the
last
time
think
it
still
falls
short
of
it's
actually
being
appropriate
for
this
particular
neighborhood.
A
Particularly
incumberette,
is
the
entry
sequence,
the
front
porch.
I
understand
the
concerns
about
wanting
to
be
able
to,
you
know,
be
able
to
get
in
the
house
without
a
ramp
or
an
elevator
or
a
lift
of
something
some
type,
but
it
is
a
rather
substantial
lot,
so
there
probably
is
plenty
of
opportunity
to
come
up
with
something,
but
I
think
that
that's
a
very
jarring
element
to
me-
I'm
also
a
little
concerned
about
in
reality
when
the
house
goes
for
permit
it's
shown
with
the
the
front.
A
A
If
this
rendering
is
what's
going
to
exist-
and
it's
not
going
to
be
shrunk
because
of
the
need
for
some
guardrail
because
of
the
code
you're
going
to
end
up
with
something
very
impoverished,
I
think
that
the
attempt
to
project
the
roof
of
the
of
the
canopy
out
to
sort
of
form
a
porch
is
in
the
right
direction.
A
But
it's
still
not
quite
there.
It
doesn't
sort
of
address
what
normally
those
porches
are
as
a
sort
of
semi-public,
somewhat
private
kind
of
space,
it's
a
little
more
open
than
what
is
traditionally
used
as
a
porch,
where
people
hang
out
and
observe
the
street
and
make
it
safe
it's.
It
is
more
just
as
a
plan
for
entering
mentoring,
the
house
and
it
to
me
it's
well.
There
are
many
comments
about
other
elements
of
the
design.
A
To
me,
that's
the
one
that
stands
out
the
most
is
being
alien
to
this
to
this
neighborhood.
So
I
really
encourage
you
to
ask
the
petitioner
to
to
go
at
it
one
more
time
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
something
that's
a
little
bit
more
respectful.
F
If
there's
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
speak,
you
can
step
to
the
podium
just
make
sure
to
announce
your
name
user.
Please
state
your
name
when
you
come
to
the
podium
and
also
your.
D
A
You
know
it
looks
small,
it's
eight
margaret
is
quite
margaret's,
a
basketball
player,
so
I
think
she's
always
wanted
a
taller
door.
We've
had
other
clients
like
this
that
wanted,
like
really
tall
doors,
that's
an
eight
foot
door
and
it's,
I
think
it's
three
foot
four
wide.
Actually,
I
can
shut
it
down,
but.
A
A
People
we're
in
the
home
immediately
adjacent
to.
A
A
But
we
also
think
that
the
priorities
of
building
a
home
that
allows
ranging
in
place
should
be
prioritized
as
the
adult
child
of
two
sets
of
parents
who
are
currently
aging
in
places
and
first-hand
seeing
a
lot
of
those
challenges
and
looking
for
ranch-style
homes
and
moving
out
of
bungalows
into
condos.
Because
of
these
kinds
of
considerations
that
then
sort
of
at
the
forefront
of
our
communities
minds.
So
we
support
the
crank
proposed
design
and
we
welcome
to
the
neighborhood.
A
A
A
We
obviously
as
a
commission
for
standard
16
we're
not
we're
not
allowed
to
impose
a
style
on
a
home,
so
I
don't
think
it's
it's
really
appropriate
for
us
to
force
historic
elements.
You
know
on
such
a
modern
style
home,
so
I
do
think
you
took
a
lot
of
time
and
care
to
listen
to
what
was
said
last
month
and
and
again
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
appreciate
all
of
the
the
information
brought
forth
from
this.
In
this
revised
submission.
A
There
are
items
like
areas
that
I
obviously
have
a
little
bit
of
of
concern
with,
but
I
it's
nothing
that,
in
my
mind,
would
say
that
this
was
not
an
appropriate
solution,
so
they're
just
things
maybe
to
think
about,
but
I
I
as
well
think
that
that
the
standards
that
were
brought
forth
last
month
would
be.
A
Yeah,
I
just
some
of
us
mention
being
uncomfortable
with
the
bay,
and
so
I
didn't
know
if,
if
we
think
that
doesn't
necessarily
meet
the
standards,
if
that's
something
that
can
be
sort
of
modified
or
I
mean
a
few
of
us
mentioned,
it
seemed
top
heavy,
it
doesn't
necessarily
suit
like
fit
with
the
other
dormers
on
the
street.
It's
just
wondering
like
if
we're
there's
concern
around
that,
do
we
approve
with
the
condition?
Is
there
continuance?
Do
you
just
have
to
go
up
or
down
like
how
does
that
work?
F
B
F
A
Mean
I
I
think
the
applicant
has
met
the
standards.
I
I
do
think
the
design
of
the
front
bed
as
a
design
designer
that
is
bothering
a
lot
of
us,
and
I
mean
I
would
I
think
we
should
improve
it.
But
I'd
like
to
I
mean
again:
we
you
know,
don't
it's
not
our
job
to
to
approve
what
we
think
of
the
design,
but
I
think
I
I
would
hope
that
the
applicant
would
continue
to
look
at
and
improve
that
it
is
pretty
the
mass
of
it
is
pretty
charring.
A
I
don't
think
I
mean
I
don't
think
we
need
to
condition
our
approval
on
it.
I
don't
know
whether
it's
you
know,
we
would
ask
the
applicant
look
at
it
and
come
back.
You
know
without
diminishing
the
approval,
but
that's
probably
up
to
the
commissioners.
A
B
A
B
F
A
A
So,
where
there's
notes
that
are
being
made
that
are
very
compatible,
I
think
it's
going
to
result
in
these
minor
elements
that
we
just
don't
want
to.
I
don't
feel
that
we
should
be
micromanaging
those
elements.
I
think
we
should
be
looking
at
as
a
whole
and
if
we
do
have
constructive
elements
that
do
not,
we
feel
do
not
meet
the
standards,
then
I
think
we
need
to
aim
and
try
to
really
figure
out
what
those
are
tonight.
A
Otherwise,
I
would
suggest
that
we
try
to
move
forward
to
maybe
making
a
vote
yeah
susie.
I
would
concur
with
what
mark
said:
we're
not
here
to
ultimately
pass
any
kind
of
aesthetic
judgment.
There
were
comments
made
about
the
bay.
I
think
a
lot
of
us
feel
that
it
is
heavy
and
clunky
looking,
but
the
question
was
put
to
nadine
that
that's
the
way
he
thinks
it
should
look.
That's
the
way
he's
designed
it.
A
A
Say
that
I
do
think
that
it
has
met
the
basic
requirements
for
the
standards.
A
B
A
A
A
I
realize
that
it
is
not
a
forward-facing
table,
which
is
what
the
adjacent
homes
are,
but
I
do
think
that,
in
my
opinion,
the
gable
itself
is
still
compatible
to
the
jason
holmes,
because
I
think
we
fight
a
lot
with
modern
styles
that
come
in
and
have
a
very
sharp
flat
edge
and
that
in
some
ways
creates
a
much
different,
more
less
compatible
design
element.
But
if
my.
A
A
A
A
A
E
A
I
do
think
that
that
element
does
apply
like
that
standard
does
apply
to
that,
and
I
think
it
comes
to
a
little
bit.
What
stewart
was
mentioning
is:
does
it
meet
that
standard,
even
at
least
at
the
minimum
level,
or
does
it
exceed?
You
know,
expectations
for
that
standard
and
I
think
what
we
have
as
a
commission
have
to
say:
does
it
meet
the
standard
and
that's
kind
of
what
our
purview
is?
A
E
C
Some
of
the
traditional
elements
and
and
to
use
an
example
if
there
were
a
gable
on
top
of
that,
I
think
it
starts
to
head
in
more
of
a
postmodern
direction.
And
I
applaud
the
bait
on
kind
of
threading,
the
needle
in
terms
of
some
nods
to
the
traditional
forms
of
the
gable
group.
But
then
holding.
E
A
E
That
vertical
part
of
the
base
seems
so
skinny
compared
to
the
to
the
large
portion
of
you
know.
I
mean
somehow,
the
like
proportion
of
those
two
could
be
better,
but.
A
I
mean,
I
don't
think
several
of
us
have
obviously
brought
up
the
proportions
there,
but
again,
I
think
I
think
we
have
been
leaning
towards
is.
Is
it
compatible
to
you
know
the
neighborhood
and
the
adjacent
properties?
Does
it
mean?
So
I
think
that
that
should
be
evident
in
the
way
people
vote
on
whether
they
feel
that
it
meets
the
standards
as
a
whole.
A
A
Consider
the
district
as
a
whole
and
whether
this
building
will
undermine
in
some
way
the
district
through
its
design,
and
so
I
think
the
question
is
whether
what
we
see
in
front
of
us
that's
going
to
undermine
the
fundamental
character
defining
features
of
the
district.
If
it
doesn't,
then
it's
compatible.
A
A
A
F
A
E
A
A
I've
been
in
this
position
before,
and
I
would
like
to
abstain
understanding
that
abstaining
is
the
it's
counted,
as
a
no
vote
is
that
correct,
susie.
A
F
Commissioner
client,
no
commissioner,
simon
yes,
so.
A
Do
you
need
standards
cited
for
the
sense
of
motion
carry.
I
know:
okay,
okay,
mr
kidman.
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
This
has
been
a
little
tricky.
Margaret
was
not
able
to
make
it
tonight.
I
will
let
her
know,
but
we're
very
pleased,
and
we
will
do
evanston
proud
and
I
think
it
will,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
be
a
great
addition
to
the
city
and
the
neighborhood.
Of
course.
A
A
E
A
B
F
Yeah,
these
not
really
a
ton
of
discussion,
just
kind
of
the
commission
updates.
The
first
is
the
downtown
survey
we've
had,
I
think
all
commissioners,
except
for
commissioner
ziem,
who
just
joined
us
who's,
also
expressed
interest
so
I'll
I'll
see
what
sort
of
areas
she's
interested
in
and
then
I
also
thank
commissioner
cullen
and
if
you
have
a
preference
which
area
you
survey,
just
let
me
know
and
then.
E
I'll
kind
of
form
the
teams
and
then
I'll,
send
out
like
a
poll
for
scheduling,
because
they
don't
have
to
happen
concurrently
at
the
same
time,
and
it
can
it.
F
E
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
I
need
a
deadline,
necessarily
I'll
reach
out,
maybe
later
this
week
to
commissioners
and
come
in
and
get
your
feedback
there
were.
F
I
think
only
a
handful
of
members
that
had
very
specific
routes,
whether
that
be
conflicts
with
their
job
or
or
something
similar
about
the
properties.
The
rest
were
very
flexible,
so
that'll
kind
of
form.
The
teams
based
on.
A
F
F
A
Okay,
so
we
can
all
look
for
that.
Doodle
paul
after
you
get
here,
yeah
your
class
response.
Yes,
correct:
okay,
there's
two
other
items:
one
is
just
a
commission
training
that
the
law
department.
F
Puts
on
they've
done
this
for
a
few
of
the
other
boards
and
commissions
and
they've
asked
if
the
preservation
commission
is
interested,
I
think
it's
a
nice
opportunity.
They
said
it
takes
between
30
and
45.
A
E
F
F
I'll
schedule
a
second
in-person
medium,
because
I
thought
that
was
a
very
efficient
way
to
go
through
that
and
also
explain
kind
of
each
initiative.
So
that's
just
the
update
there
it's
taking
a
little
longer
than
usual,
but
we
were
making
really
good
progress.
I
would
say
september
october,
to
bring
to
the
full
commission
for
discussions
is
very
reasonable.