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A
A
I
think
there
is
a
remote
sitting
at
the
podium
that
you
can
use
to
navigate
through,
or
I'm
sure
kade
will
help
assist
you
if
you,
if
you'd,
rather
that
once
you're
done
giving
your
presentation,
commissioners
will
ask
questions
about
your
application
and
then,
after
the
question
period
is
complete.
We
will
have
asked
for
public
comment.
So
if
you
would
like
to
give
public
comment
to
an
application,
if
you
can
either
sign
in
at
the
sign-in
sheet,
that's
at
the
outside
the
door
or
there
is
a
sign-in
sheet.
A
I
believe
at
the
podium,
if
you
can
just
sign
in
your
name
and
put
the
application
that
you're
speaking
to
when
you
kade,
will
ask
people,
I
think
he'll
have
the
sheet
and
he'll
introduce
people
that
want
to
give
public
comment.
If
you
do,
you
can
step
up
to
the
podium,
introduce
yourself
and
then
you
can
obviously
give
your
public
comment.
We
ask
that
you
keep
it
to
three
minutes
or
less
and
you
keep
it
to
the
the
the
purview
of
the
commission
please.
B
C
Hi,
I'm
catherine
flanagan
thanks
for
having
me,
so
it's
really
an
application
for
re
subdivision.
The
property
was
originally
divided
by
the
owner,
susan
lloyd,
back
in
2005.
I
think
I
bought
my
property
713,
which
is
the
lot
2
of
the
subdivision
in
2016.,
the
previous
neighbors
of
713
and
715
had
agreed
to
swap
equal
portions
of
land
across
the
rear
property
line,
so
a
portion
of
the
south
side
of
715
and
the
north
side
of
713
equal
land
swap
it
was
basically
straighting
straightening
out
the
property
line
it
hadn't
been
filed.
C
Before
we
closed
on
the
property,
we
agreed
that
these
were
the
new
property
lines.
You
know
we
said
we
cooperate
with
it
getting
filed.
We
recently
are
doing
we're
going
to
do
an
addition
and
we
pulled
a
plat.
A
survey
realized
it
was
never
filed.
So
we're
now
in
the
process
to
kind
of
memorialize
the
agreement
and
the
way
that
the
properties
have
been
used
for
the
last
six
years.
A
C
A
B
D
E
D
E
Good,
I
move
to
recommend
the
the
proposed
subdivision
or
the
land
swap
between
the
properties
at
713,
sheridan,
road
and
715
sheridan
road
excuse
me
713
and
715
sheridan
road,
and
I
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
we
do
issue
that
and
it
is
the
applicable
standards
and
then
do
I
just
read
these
yes,
so
I
read
them
out
loud.
F
E
A
G
Good
evening
my
name
is
scott
stavish,
I'm
an
eths
graduate
a
long
time
resident
and
a
realtor
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
my
client
devin
and
hannah
herrick
owners
of
1214
maple.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
help,
thanks
for
allowing
me
to
present-
and
I
appreciate
what
you
guys
do
for
our
community.
G
The
home
has
incredible
sentimental
value
to
them,
as
they
spent
decades
there.
They
would
have
loved
to
have
kept
the
house,
but
do
not
have
the
means.
Additionally,
as
devin
works
for
cps,
he
is
required
by
chicago
statute
to
live
in
the
city
of
chicago,
so
they
put
a
house
on
the
market
for
sale
in.
G
G
We
began
this
process
in
the
fall
of
2021.
It's
taken
us
several
months
to
work
with
the
zoning
department
to
get
guidance
on
acceptable
boundaries,
meet
all
zoning
requirements,
secure
newly
proposed
surveys
and
to
work
with
the
city
to
ensure
we
had
full
zoning
approval
and
compliance
with
the
newly
formed
lot
and
the
subdivided
parcel.
G
We
now
have
two
separate
buyers
who
are
owner
occupants
under
contract,
one
for
the
land
piece
and
one
for
their
father's
home.
Both
buyers
are
very
excited
for
the
prospects
of
moving
to
evanston
and
are
anxious
to
start
get
started
to
carry
on
their
part
of
preserving
the
history
of
the
home
and
block
the
buyers
of
the
house
have
been
patiently
waiting
to
get
through
the
city's
process
since
january
of
2022.
G
they're,
especially
anxious
awaiting
the
approval
as
they're
moving
here
from
wisconsin.
They
actually
closed
on
their
house
yesterday
there
so
we're
currently
homeless,
as
they
await
the
approval
process.
They
have
two
high
school
age,
children,
so
they're
hopeful.
We
can
get
formal
approval
from
city
council
soon
in
order
to
move
through
the
remaining
steps,
get
closed
on
the
property,
have
them
acclimated
to
the
area
and
start
the
orientation
process
for
them
to
be
at
eths.
G
We're
here
before
you
asking
for
approval.
We
feel
that
subdividing
the
property
is
not
controversial
and
should
be
approved.
Based
on
the
following
merits.
First,
we
meet
all
the
requirements
of
the
zoning
department
and
fall
into
full
compliance
for
both
lots
that
are
being
subdivided.
We
did
not
need
to
seek
any
variances,
minor
or
major
to
comply.
G
Second,
we
meet
all
the
criteria
set
forth
in
the
standards
outlined
in
section
2-8-12-b
of
the
city
ordinance
specifically,
and
most
importantly,
there
are
no
landmark
properties.
Impacted
by
the
subdivision,
as
neither
neighbor
to
the
north
or
south
is
a
landmark
property,
and
nor
are
we
third.
The
subdivision
actually
helps
preserve
the
district
by
allowing
for
newly
created
parts
to
be
siphoned
off
from
the
main
house,
which
was
having
trouble
finding
a
buyer
with
the
proposed.
Excuse
me
with
the
proposed
subdivision.
G
Our
contracted
buyer
has
come
forward
that
will
protect
the
history
and
character
of
the
home
and
the
district.
Fourth,
the
newly
formed
lot,
which
is
referred
to
as
1210
maple,
will
fit
into
the
standards
of
the
area
and
the
block.
As
a
side
note,
I
think
it's
very
relevant
to
know
that
the
post
office
has
no
1210
maple
on
record,
as
presumably
it
is
for
this
address,
as
we
have
an
undivided
lot
that
is
deemed
buildable
by
the
city
of
evanston
and
qualifies
well
for
an
infill
development.
G
Our
proposed
newly
formed
buildable
lot
is
approximately
50
feet
wide
by
171
feet.
Deep,
the
size
of
our
two
subdivided
lots
would
fall
well
within
the
normal
range
of
the
block,
with
lot
widths
of
50
feet
and
58
feet
far
larger
than
the
minimum
required
by
statute
and
preserving
the
block
norm
of
around
50
feet.
G
To
summarize,
we
believe
we
conform
to
all
the
requirements
and
requests
asked
of
this
commission.
We
know
of
no
opposition
to
the
subdivision
and
we
know
of
no
specific
issues,
nor
do
we
find
any
or
or
do
have
we
heard
of
any
reason
to
oppose.
Additionally,
we
have
included
a
couple
of
later
letters
from
neighbors
in
support.
G
Lastly,
to
clarify
we're
here
before
you
only
to
seek
the
approval
for
the
subdivision
itself.
The
contracted
buyer
of
the
land
will
separately
be
presenting
their
plans,
but
that
piece
is
separate.
We
ask
that
you
approve
the
subdivision,
especially
with
time
being
of
the
essence
for
our
contracted
buyer.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
So
if
there
are
no
questions,
go
ahead.
E
Hi,
I
noticed
that
on
your
side
of
the
block,
then
all
of
the
lots
are
54
feet
wide
and
your
current
lot.
The
double
lot
is
108.
E
And
your
current
double
dot
is
108,
which
could
be
divisible
into
54
254
foot
lots.
Why
are
you
not
dividing
them
evenly?
So
they
are
the
same
dimension
as
all
as
every
single
other
lot
on
that
side
of
the
block.
E
G
G
G
No
to
meet
the
to
conform
to
the
requirements
of
the
city
that.
H
Proposal
for
subdivision
of
1214
maple
be
approved,
applicable
standards,
for
this
is
code,
section
2-8-12,
b,
1
a
through
e
and
2.
A
A
Okay,
so
the
next
case
would
be
1210,
maple
avenue,
nathan
kipnis.
If
you
would
like
to
step
to
the
podium,
I
assume
you
will
be
giving
the
presentation,
so
this
is
for
the
construction
of
a
new
two-story,
single
family
resident
and
detached
single
story.
Two
guard
garage
on
the
proposed
subdivision
for
12
maple
avenue.
I
I
J
Go
through
that
and
then
I'll
connect,
my
computer,
okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
us
tonight.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
have
my
client
introduce
herself
and
then
I'd
like
to
introduce
myself
and
then
go
through
what's
on
the
screen
and
then
I'll
show
you
some
additional
3d
work
on
on
the
project.
K
K
For
the
last
16
years,
my
parents
are
gone,
my
children
are
grown
up
and,
as
my
retirement
approached,
I
started
thinking
about
how
I
wanted
to
spend
my
time
and
with
whom
two
of
my
dearest
friends
live
in
the
north
shore
area,
one
here
in
evanston
and
one
in
winnetka
in
2018,
I
joined
the
evanston
bike
club
and
there
I
discovered
many
energetic
kind,
progressive
and
engaged
people.
K
In
the
past
four
years,
I
have
traveled
to
evanston
almost
weekly
and
I
have
come
to
love
and
respect
its
diversity,
its
progressiveness,
its
concern
for
social
justice.
I
have
met
many
caring
and
kind
people
in
your
community,
so
while
many
retired
a
warmer
southern
climates,
all
the
arrows
for
me
are
pointing
to
evanston.
K
Like
many
of
you,
I
care
deeply
about
the
environment
and
the
future
of
our
planning
planet
and
building
a
right-sized,
environmentally
sustainable
home
is
my
small
contribution.
Hence
the
passive
house
certification
that
nathan
will
share
with
you.
I
went
in
search
of
an
expert
in
this
field
and
discovered
nathan
kipnis
right
here
in
evanston.
K
J
Gonna
make
me
cry
margaret
I've
been
a
member
of
the
evanston
community
for
over
30
years,
stretching
back
to
the
late
70s,
when
I
was
a
semi-professional
skateboarder
on
the
tom
thumb,
skateboard
team.
J
I
have
also
worked
on
quite
a
number
of
homes
in
the
historic
district,
I'm
thinking
at
least
30.
At
this
point
of
those,
I've
won
eight
evanston
preservation
awards
for
design.
I've
engaged
with
the
preservation
commission
on
all
these
projects
and
always
have
respected
the
commission's
design
review
process.
J
Additionally,
we
designed
evanston's,
first
leed
platinum
home,
which
is
still
the
only
one
in
evanston,
I'm
a
fellow
of
the
american
institute
of
architects,
their
highest
membership.
Honor.
I've
been
on
the
aia's
2030
commitment
working
group
which
helps
guide
the
nation's
90
000
architects,
to
design
to
net
zero
carbon
levels
since
the
working
group's
inception
in
2009
and
was
the
national
coach
here
from
2018-19.
J
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
now
is
go
through
this
slide
set
and
then
connect
my
computer.
Frankly,
I
think
this
is
the
more
technical
stuff
and
I
think,
it'll
be
more
informative
when
we
see
the
other,
but
so
this
is
the
site
plan
we're
not
asking
for
any
zoning
variances.
This
is
all
by
right.
It
has
the
five
foot
setbacks,
it's
you
know
centered
in
the
space
and
it's
also
the
average
of
the
two
adjacent
properties.
So
it's
fitting
into
the
neighborhood.
J
In
that
respect,
you
can
see
there's
a
detached
garage
that
has
a
solar
panel
array.
The
home
has
a
solar
panel
array.
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
That
would
be
great.
So
this
is
just
a
floor
plan.
I'm
not
going
to
dwell
on
this,
but
there
is
first
floor
living
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute.
J
So
there's
one
bedroom
on
the
first
floor,
a
workout
room
that
faces
the
backyard
typical
of
many
evanston
homes,
there's
a
dining
room
with
a
view
out
the
front
and
I'll
get
into
how
the
entry
sequence
is.
When
we
see
the
three-dimensional
model,
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
upstairs,
there's
three
bedrooms:
two
bathrooms
the
primary
bedroom
has
its
bed
facing
into
the
backyard.
Looking
at
the
nice
yard,
the
area
on
the
left,
you
see
the
roof,
that's
the
one
story,
family
room!
So
really
the
two-story
part
is
just
across
the
front.
J
J
Here
you
can
see
the
elevation.
The
three-dimensional
model
is
much
more
informative,
but.
I
J
I
don't
want
to
repeat
myself
too
much,
but
there
is
a
offset
entry,
just
like
every
house,
pretty
much
in
the
neighborhood
there's
a
bay,
that's
part
of
the
components,
there's
a
major
axis,
I'm
sorry,
a
major
mass
and
a
minor
mass
and
then
a
overhang
for
a
outdoor
sitting
in
the
front.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Oh
I'm
sorry
go
back
one
if
you
could
and
then
we
do
have
that
gable
roof
there
cross
gable.
J
That's
the
south
side
I'll,
explain
that
in
the
3d
model
on
the
lower
left,
you
see
a
light
shelf
which
reflects
light
in
and
helps
block
direct
southern
sun
and
then
the
rear
elevation
is
the
next
one
it
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
It
has
a
fireplace
you
you
can
it's
that
square
in
the
middle
on
the
bottom
we
have
an
electric
fireplace
and
it's
not
like
what
you've
seen
before
it's
a
steam
fireplace
that's
illuminated
with
leds.
It's
a
zero
carbon
fireplace.
J
It
looks
unbelievably
real
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
one.
That's
just
the
garage
similar
roof
shape
that
the
main
house
has
go
to
the
next
one.
So
these
are
some
of
the
perspective
views.
You
can
see
the
composition
which
I'm
going
to
explain
more
with
when
I
have
the
3d
model
running,
but
you
can
see
the
way
the
mass
is:
there's
the
big
and
the
smaller
one
off
to
the
left
and
the
entry
with
its
overhang
and
then
the
bay
go
to
the
next
slide.
J
I
J
Ridge
lines
the
line
go
to
the
next
slide
and
then
so
these
are
the
two
homes.
The
one
on
the
right
is
the
one
that
was
just
previous
to
us.
Coming
up
here,
that's
1214,
maple
and
then
you
can
see
the
one
to
the
left
is
1208
maple
that
one
is
stucco
the
homes
and
you'll
see
when,
when
I
go
through
this
again,
but
you
know
the
homes
all
have
porches
and
bays
and
there's
a
certain
proportion
to
the
windows
and
the
way
the
roofs
are
set
up.
J
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
this
is
directly
across
the
street
there's
a
five
unit
townhouse,
which
is
really
quite
nice.
I
know
there's
a
couple
of
those.
I
don't
know
if
they're
from
the
same
architect,
maybe
stuart
cohen,
knows
that,
but
throughout
the
district
there's
a
couple
of
these
that
really
look
neat
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
this
is
the
proportioning
slide.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do?
You
know
when
we
do
a
modern
home
there's
a
lot
of
ways.
J
J
We
wanted
to
have
the
massing
have
similar
proportions
to
other
massing.
There's
no
question
this
looks
different,
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
it
relate
in
a
number
of
different
ways
from
a
design
standpoint
and
not
just
kind
of
flinging
this
into
the
neighborhood,
but
really
trying
to
pay
attention
to
the
different
components
go
to
the
next
slide.
J
J
J
I
J
D
J
F
D
J
D
L
J
Yep,
well,
I
am
not
going
to
start
this
program.
I'll
just
show
the
slides
individually,
so
I
was
asked
today
to
go
over
and
show
some
of
the
homes
in
the
neighborhood,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
walking
down
the
block.
I
hope
everyone
can
see
that
so
these
are.
These
are
excellent
examples
of
historic
homes,
no.
J
It
these
are
great
homes
and
there's
a
wide
range
of
styles,
and
I'm
going
to
point
out
just
a
few
things.
There
are
a
few
of
them
that
are
stucco
this
one
at
1202.
J
If
I
look
at
the
other
ones,
1236
is
an
italian
eight
building
that
has
a
hip
roof
around
it
and
the
other
one
that
I
would
point
out
in
this
group
is
there's
one
more
stucco.
I
think
it's
this
one
at
1203
maple
this
last
one.
I
just
want
to
point
out.
I
I
saw
it
this
morning.
J
This
is
not
in
the
on
the
block
it's
at
1202
wesley,
but
this
shows
what
happens
when
you
have
a
handicap
ramp
that
needs
to
go
to
a
building
with
six
or
seven
or
eight
steps,
and
you
know
with
margaret
her
one
of
her
concerns
is
aging
in
place.
So
that's
one
of
the
rationales
for
the
way
the
building
is
set.
J
J
I
J
J
Yep,
good,
okay,
so
while
this
is
coming
up,
I
I
would
like
to
just
talk
about
about
this
project
in
in
specific,
I
completely
respect
the
concepts
of
the
evanston
historic
district.
The
district
to
me
and
margaret
is
an
authentic
collection
of
homes
that
represent
all
17
decades
of
evanston's
development.
I
J
Makes
the
district
so
great
are
their
wide
variety
of
home
styles
that
represent
the
times
in
which
they
were
designed.
I
can
imagine
them
when,
when
a
new
style
came
along,
such
as
the
prairie
homes
and
maybe
in
1910s,
the
owners
of
previously
established
styles
very
likely
raised
concerns
about
how
the
new
designs
would
fit
into
the
area,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
you
walk
through
the
historic
district,
it
is
a
it
is
the
wide
variety
of
great
examples
of
home
styles
that
make
it
so
interesting.
J
This
is
why,
when
additions
and
renovations
are
proposed
in
the
historic
district
per
section
15
of
the
standards
for
review,
there
is
in
fact
a
very
high
standard
for
them
to
tightly
integrate
with
the
original
design
of
the
house.
However,
what
happens
when
a
new
home
is
proposed,
as
is
in
this
case?
Let's
be
clear.
J
This
only
happens
very
rarely
such
as
when
there's
a
vacant
lot,
which
is,
I
don't
even
know
if
there
are
any
others,
a
home
is
destroyed,
maybe
by
fire
or
a
home,
is
clearly
beyond
repair
or
renovation,
which
is
a
very
tough
standard.
J
J
That's
what
they
do
at
disney
world
and
is
completely
at
odds
with
the
notion
that
the
district
is
a
collection
of
authentic
home
styles.
If
this
home
is
not
to
be
of
a
current
style,
what
style
of
home
should
it
be
a
queen,
anne,
a
colonial,
a
richardsonian
home?
None
of
these
make
sense.
When
people
walk
through
the
district,
they
should
not
be
misled
by
a
design
pretending
to
be
from
another
time
period.
J
Instead,
what
we
wanted
to
do
in
this
site
in
this
time
and
for
this
client
to
design
a
home
that
represents
in
response
to
the
needs
of
the
clients
and
society
a
home
designed
to
the
highest
level
of
sustainability
and,
at
the
same
time,
one
that
relates
to
its
context.
If
this
were
simply
a
modern
home,
it
could
easily
have
had
a
flat
roof
with
horizontal
ribbon
windows.
J
We
had
to
balance
this
with
the
fact
that
if
we
relate
related,
every
architectural
element
to
the
existing
homes
we'd
be
copying
them.
It
is
much
more
appropriate
to
have
distinctly
expressed
architectural
styles.
There
are
several
common
denominators
that
we
took
into
account
between
the
home
and
its
neighbors.
J
The
front
setback
of
the
house
is
aligned
with
the
adjacent
homes.
This
provides
continuity
with
the
urban
fabric,
which
the
current
vacant
lot
is
obviously
missing.
The
home
also
fits
into
its
context,
even
though
it
is
a
smaller
home
at
about
three
thousand
square
feet.
This
was
achieved
by
making
the
house
an
l
with
its
broad
two-story
side
facing
the
front.
J
The
other
leg
of
the
house
is
only
one
story
and
runs
along
runs
along
the
north
side
of
the
site
to
allow
for
more
direct
solar
gain
into
the
house,
as
well
as
to
take
advantage
of
making
a
better
location
for
the
pv
array.
There
is
a
light
shelf,
which
is
this
piece
here
along
the
south
wall
of
the
one
story
section
that
not
only
shades
the
building
from
the
direct
summer
sun
but
reflects
sunlight
deep
into
the
space
for
natural
daylighting.
J
In
lieu
of
flat
roof
to
not
only
relate
to
the
neighbors,
sloped,
roofs
and
heights
of
the
buildings,
but
also
to
allow
for
those
two
integrated
solar
panels,
there's
one
on
the
main
house
and
one
on
the
garage,
the
roof
helped
the
home
have
a
similar
height,
as
others
in
the
area
have
also
the
roof
height
is
within
a
foot
of
the
maximum
allowed
by
the
current
zoning
ordinance.
Interestingly,
most
of
the
existing
homes
in
the
district
are
over
the
maximum
roof
height
currently
allowed
by
zoning.
So
we
cannot
exactly
match
them
anyway.
J
The
reason
that
the
house
is
not
raised
up
with
as
many
stairs
as
is
common
in
the
area
is
this
home
doesn't
have
a
basement
number
one.
This
was
done
for
a
number
of
reasons.
One
is
that
margaret
didn't
want
or
need
a
basement,
and
also
we
didn't
want
to
have
the
additional
condition
space
in
the
basement.
For
no
reason
digging
down
for
a
basement
when
you
would
use
more
concrete
than
would
be
necessary.
J
Concrete
is
one
of
the
materials
with
the
highest
co2
impact.
Additionally,
it
helps
with
the
concept
of
aging
in
place,
which
makes
the
first
floor
more
accessible
as
the
entire
first
floor
has
wider
hallways
and
doors
along
with
the
first
floor
bedroom.
If
a
ramp
were
ever
needed,
it
could
easily
be
integrated
into
the
landscape.
J
In
the
front,
we
provided
a
cover,
porch
area,
to
allow
for
outdoor
seating
area
at
the
front
of
the
house
to
be
able
to,
or
let
margaret
watch
the
neighbors
walk
by
and
have
interactions
with
them
by
having
the
porch
set
closer
to
the
ground,
it'll,
hopefully
be
even
more
inviting
the
house
also
has
a
projecting
front
front
overhang
as
a
design
element,
which
is
this
piece
right
here
that
demarks
the
two
masses,
the
major
mass
compared
to
the
minor
and
also
provides
some
shading
from
the
south
into
this
large
window
area
and
a
smaller
amount
of
shading
for
the
east
sun.
J
We
carefully
looked
at
the
proportions
of
the
windows,
as
I
noted
before.
In
this
case,
the
windows
are
casement
windows,
which
are
by
far
more
efficient
than
double
hung
windows
due
to
their
full
perimeter,
seal
kind
of
like
a
refrigerator
door
and
are
also
triple
glazed.
It
is
on
target
to
the
evanston's
first
certified
passive
house.
J
This
standard
requires
that
the
home
be
incredibly
tightly
constructed
essentially
10
times
tighter
than
existing
homes.
Most
existing
homes
have
7
to
10
air
changes
per
hour.
This
one
will
have
0.6,
so
it's
about
12
times
more
efficient
from
that
standpoint.
So
we
need
every
way
to
do
that.
To
make
that
happen,
this
home
will
be
all
electric
meaning
there
isn't
a
gas
line
coming
in
so
therefore,
no
on-site,
co2
emissions,
all
the
appliances
will
be
high
performance
heat
pump
systems
along
with
an
induction
cooktop.
J
The
hvc
hvac
system
will
be
an
electric
heat
pump
and
there
will
be
electric
car
charging
and
a
battery
backup
system
connected
to
the
pv
system.
We
are
homing
in
on
it
being
fully
net
zero,
we're
having
meetings
right
now,
trying
to
whittle
that
down.
I
think
we
have
that
meaning
it
will
generate
as
much
or
more
electricity
than
it
uses
on
an
annual
basis.
J
J
In
considering
new
construction
such
as
the
new
free,
such
as
a
new
freestanding
structure,
the
commission
shall
not
impose
a
requirement
for
the
use
of
a
single
architectural
style
or
peri
period,
though
it
may
impose
a
requirement
for
compatibility
margaret,
and
I
want
to
carefully
listen
to
the
comments
that
will
be
raised.
My
hope
is
that
my
presentation
is
demonstrated
that
the
home's
design
positively
addresses
the
relevant
aspects.
J
Relevant
aspects
of
the
standards
for
review
of
applications
for
certification
of
appropriateness
I'd
be
happy
to
go
over
any
of
these
relevant
sections
in
more
detail
with
the
commission,
we
want
to
help
enhance
the
integrity
of
the
historic
neighborhood
with
this
project.
Our
goal
is
to
make
a
great
home
for
margaret
for
the
neighborhood
for
evanston
and
beyond.
M
Okay,
so
I
mean
I,
I
love
the
design
and
you
know
clearly
your
your
clients
entitled
to
build
a
house
here
and
a
modern
house.
I
mean,
I
think
you
kind
of
ended
up
really
where
we
start,
which
is
you
know.
Clearly
the
ordinance
allows
new
construction,
it
allows
innovative
modern
designs,
and
we
do
you
know.
Every
year
we
have
a
you
know
having
been
in
the
commission
for
almost
six
years,
we've
you
know
approved
probably
30
or
so
new
homes.
M
So
it's
clearly
something
we
do
and
when
we
revised
the
ordinance
a
few
years
ago,
we
kind
of
brought
emphasis
these
sections
to
say
you
can't
do
this.
So
that's
not
something
I
mean.
I
know
some
of
the
public
comment
was
you
shouldn't
do
new
construction,
but
clearly
the
ordinance
permits
that
our?
M
What
we're
required
to
do,
though,
is
not
to
abstractly,
say
you
know,
we
love
the
design,
which
you
know
personally,
I
do,
but
what
our
we're
obligated
to
do
and
we're
obligate
really
to
stick
to
is
to
assess
the
standards
of
the
ordinance,
and
I
don't
know
if
you're
prepared
to
do
this
today,
but
generally
speaking,
the
the
argument
that
is
made
before
the
commission-
and
I
do
think
some
of
the
public
comment
has
done.
M
This
is
to
stick
to
the
ordinance
and
I
think
the
first
let's
say
11
standards,
clearly
all
go
to
an
assessment
of
the
visual
relationship.
You
know
architectural
relationship
between
this
and
the
neighboring
houses
and
you've
slightly
touched
on
it,
but
generally
what
we're
used
to
seeing
is
people
go
through?
You
know,
there's
clearly
some
repetition
that
you're
not
going
to
repeat
everything
very
standard,
but
clearly
what
we're
used
to
is
people
taking
us
through
at
least
say
those
11
standards,
and
you
know
making
the
case
of
why
you
know.
M
Despite
the
fact
it's
it's
modern,
it's
not
you
know
going
to
be
ever
be
the
same
house
by
any
means
as
those
houses.
Why
there's
you
know
a
compatibility
and
some
degree
of
relationship
which
may
be
a
very
innovative
kind
of
degree,
and
I
just
I
mean
well
yeah.
Clearly
you
touched
on
it.
I
don't
know
if
you're
prepared
to
really
I.
J
J
J
Sure
so
section
one
is
on
height,
and
I
touched
on
that.
This
is
essentially
as
tall
as
we
can
build
and
we're
trying
architecturally
to
make
it
seem
even
taller
than
it
is.
So
I
feel
that
that
is
is
you
know,
meets
that
standard.
J
The
proportion
of
the
facade
of
facades
which
is
compatible
with
this
property
structures
adjacent
to
it.
So
I
went
over
the
propor.
N
Is
that
on?
Oh
sorry,
nate,
your
presentation,
sort
of
just
suggests
what
the
adjacent
houses
look
like
and
we
have
photographs
of
them,
but
to
really
make
that
judgment,
and
I
emailed
kade
to
this
effect.
What
what
I
want
to
see
is
a
either
a
drawing
or
collage
that
shows
the
facade
of
your
house
with
the
two
immediately
adjacent
houses
or
even
with
more
of
the
street,
because
for
you
to
say
that
it
meets
the
proportions
of
the
other
facades,
isn't
demonstrated
in
any
of
your
materials.
N
So
you
know
I
can't
make
that
judgment
based
on
the
materials
that
you've
submitted.
J
Should
I
continue
or
where's
that
please
yeah?
Okay,
I
actually
I
mean
I
do
think
this
line
this
lines
up
as
good
as
we
could
get
it
when
again
the
houses
that
are
there,
don't
aren't
rebuildable
like
we
couldn't
make
it
as
tall
as
these
other
ones.
We
are
trying
to
line
up
certain
things
as
best
we
can.
J
We're
not
trying
to
copy
these,
but
we
are
trying
to
set
different
datum
points
for
that
the
proportion
of
openings
I
went
over
that
in
that
proportioning
study,
so
the
relationship
of
the
width
to
height
of
the
windows
and
doors
that
was
in
that
proportion
study
the
rhythm
of
solids
and
voids
in
the
facade.
I
think,
if
you
look
at
every
one
of
those
homes
that
we
referenced.
N
J
N
I
want
to
say
something
first
here
because,
first
of
all,
I
think
it's
a
very
good
presentation.
N
I
think
mark's
comments
to
you,
which
is
all
of
the
things
that
you've
done,
which
are
innovative,
which
you
are
literally
well
known
and,
if
not
famous
for
in
the
city
of
chicago,
have
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
the
question
of
what
it
means
to
make
a
house
which
is
in
sympathy
with
the
street
or
the
adjacent
houses.
And
I
I
applaud
you.
N
I
don't
think
you've
taken
on
the
challenge
of
how
you
make
a
house
in
a
modern
idiom
and
look
for
elements
that
could
potentially
have
a
sympathetic
relationship
to
adjacent
houses.
I
think
the
suggestion
of
a
canopy
with
a
porch
is
one
the
little
canopy
calling
out
the
front
door.
You
know
I
mean,
maybe
you
have
a
small
cross
gable
on
the
upper
roof
that
centers
on
that
door
and
makes
it
prominent.
So
where
is
the
l
and
I'm
not
sure,
that's
also
acting
as
sunscreening?
Isn't
that
correct?
N
Yes,
but
sunscreening
for
the
bays
right,
I
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
certainly
other
ways
to
accomplish
that.
But
what
the
the
question
or
the
really
very
difficult
design
challenge
that
I
don't
see
addressed
here.
Nate
is
how
do
you
do
a
contemporary
or
a
modern
style
or
modern
idiom
house
in
relation
that
actually
has
a
understandable
visually
perceivable
relationship
to
the
things
around
it?
N
You
know
I
mean
I
understand
and
applaud
the
degree
to
which
the
houses
you
do
and
this
house
is
technologically
advanced.
I
think
that
you
know
like
mark
said.
None
of
us
would
you
know
we're
not
being
asked
to
judge
that
you
know,
and
we
applaud
that
that
you
have
dedicated
your
career
to
making
houses
of
that
type.
But
again
the
question
is,
and
the
the
profound
challenge
here
is:
how
do
you
make
a
house
that
has
some
visual
relationship
to
the
other
houses
while
still
being
modern
or
contemporary?
N
Whatever
word,
you
want
to
use
to
describe
it,
and
I
think
that
that's
an
important
question,
because,
right
now,
all
of
our
streets
have
this
variety
of
houses
in
terms
of
styles,
as
you
pointed
out,
and
certainly
the
ordinance
and
all
of
us,
I
think,
are
more
than
happy
to
look
at
yet
another
stylistic
or
language
or
idiom
variation
on
what
kind
of
a
house
you
could
build
here.
Nobody's
arguing
with
that
we're
just
arguing!
N
I
what
I
and
I
don't
know
if
my
other
board
members
or
commission
members
agree
with
me,
but
I
am
not
convinced
by
any
of
your
presentation
about
a
visual
relationship
between
the
the
formal
character,
not
the
stylistic
character,
but
the
the
dominant
elements
of
all
the.
How
of
almost
all
the
houses
on
that
street.
H
Yeah,
I
would
agree,
I
see
it,
you
know
it's
a
phenomenal
design
and
you
know
I
love
the
house,
but
in
our
role
and
I
have
no
problems
with
putting
something
really
innovative
and
modern.
You
know
in
the
context
of
that
neighborhood.
I
think
that's
great,
I
think
that's
you
know
what
should
be
done.
You
know
and,
as
you
said,
we're
not
supposed
to
be
recreating
something.
That's
already
there,
so
I
don't
want
you
know
like
stewart's
comments
or
or
my
comments
to
be
misinterpreted.
As
you
know,
you
can't
do
anything
like
this.
H
I
just
I
think
that
you,
you
know
you
haven't
taken
on
some
of
the
very
difficult
challenges
of
you
know
the
character,
some
calling
out
in
a
modern
way,
some
little
tips
of
the
hat
to
to
the
block
a
little
a
little
more.
J
No,
I
appreciate
the
comments
and
I
you
know
I
didn't
come
here
tonight,
expecting
everyone
to
nod
their
head
and
go
sure.
I
mean
I
kind
of
got
a
little
heads
up
on
the
internet.
J
I'm
gonna
just
continue
through
the
standards,
if
I
can,
and
so
the
rhythm
of
spacing
and
structures
on
the
street,
and
so
that's
goes
to
the
positioning
of
the
building
and
it's
an
average
of
the
setback,
and
it
is
wider.
You
see
this
gap
here
that
was,
as
mentioned
before.
The
width
of
that
lot
is
larger
than
others,
but
typically
there's
the
each
one
has
a
five
foot
setback
and
that's
true.
J
On
the
south
side,
the
rhythm
of
entrance,
porches
and
other
projections,
I
felt
that
we,
by
incorporating
a
bay,
an
offset
entry
and
breaking
up
the
front
mass
of
the
house,
that
we
were
looking
to
do
that
and
again.
This
is
a
small
home
and
we're
trying
really
hard
to
make
it
fit
in.
Obviously,
we
wouldn't
put
the
one
story
part
in
the
front,
but
the
the
notion
that
this
house
seems
to
have
the
same
mass
as
others
on
the
block
and
then
is
broken
down
with
the
bay
and
the
offset
front.
J
Entry
and
overhangs
comments
from
stuart
dooley
noted
the
relationship
of
materials
and
textures.
So
this
is
real
stucco.
I
really
like
using
that
lime
based
stucco.
It
would
not
be
a
stark
white
it
would.
This
is
a
slightly
off
color,
slightly
off-white,
so
there's
many
homes
in
the
historic
district
that
have
stucco
and
and
then
the
roof
is
a
standing,
seam
metal
roof,
which
is
very,
very
durable,
made
from
recycled
materials
and
is
recyclable.
Later
the
roof
shape
and
roof
mounted
equipment,
there's
no
roof
mounted
equipment,
but
the
roof
shape.
J
D
J
J
N
Your
renderings
seem
to
show
the
main
facade
of
the
house
set
a
number
of
feet
behind
the
two
adjacent
structures
and
because
your
site
plan
doesn't
actually
show
the
adjacent
structures,
I
wonder,
did
you
try
to
produce
an
an
alignment,
which
is
what
I
think
number
nine
refers
to?
We.
J
So,
like
the
primary
walls,
so
it
this
one.
The
one
to
the
south
is
just
very
slightly
in
front,
and
the
one
to
the
north
is
just
slightly
behind
or.
J
Yeah
yeah,
so
this
this
porch,
I
mean
yes,
we
could
certainly
move
that
porch
out
and
we
could
look
at
some
other
aspects
to
get
that
more
compatible.
J
The
scale
of
the
structure-
and
I've
mentioned
this
a
number
of
times
that
we've
got
this
two-story
mass
in
the
front,
even
though
it's
a
very
small
building
relative
to
the
others,
the
directional
expression
of
the
facade.
This
is
not
a
dead,
symmetrical
facade.
It
has
some
movement
because
of
the
way
these
pieces
intersect
and
overlap.
J
J
J
I
think
even
frank,
lloyd
wright
didn't
invent
houses,
so
you
know,
I
don't
know
that
we
that
this.
J
P
J
I
didn't
I
am
not
claiming
that.
No,
I
think
that
I
think
the
interesting
thing
is
there's
a
lot
of
architects
that
do
beautiful
homes
that
don't
perform
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
do
high
performance
homes
that
are
terrible
looking,
and
so
what
this
is
is
what
we
call
high
design
low
carbon,
that
this
is
a
really
good
combination
of
those
trying
really
hard
to
take
into
account
all
sorts
of
things,
including
the
context,
including
what
needs
to
be
done
for
the
21st
century.
J
J
Okay,
I'm
done
with
the
standards.
A
Q
Nate
the
roof
pitches
on
the
garage
in
the
back
of
the
house
is
that
in
the
asymmetrical
size
of
it
is
that
to
maximize
the
solar
energy
on
the
on
the
panels.
Q
J
There's
a
couple
things
at
play,
so
one
is
what's
the
optimal
angle
for
this:
what's
the
module
of
the
panels
and
things
like
that,
so
this
just
when
we
were
working
on
it,
this
made
the
most
sense.
It
made
the
most
sense
to
push
these
masses
to
the
north,
so
we
got
better
access,
less
blocking
from
adjacent
trees,
down
the
line
and
things
like
that.
J
A
I
John
toujon
12
22
houses,
north
of
the
roth,
and
I
objected
his
design
because
it
doesn't
harmonize
with
the
neighboring
houses.
I
I
I
R
Good
evening
I
live
across
the
street
from
the
the
site
and
I'm
not
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
because
I
think
you've
all
said
many
of
the
things
that
that
I
would
say,
but
I
would
just
suggest
that
the
design
falls
short
of
the
standard
of
appropriateness
in
this
case,
for
this
particular
site
on
this
particular
block.
R
As
has
been
pointed
out
it.
Yes,
it
is
a
modern
house
and
that's
fine
there's
nothing,
nothing
at
all
wrong
with
that,
but
it
is
a
protected
historic
district
and
there's
a
there's,
a
reason
that
this
design
is
before
this
commission
to
evaluate
whether
or
not
it
it
is
appropriate,
and
I
suggest
that
it
isn't
I'll
offer
a
couple
of
points.
You
know
clearly
the
with,
with
one
exception,
on
the
block
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
R
Every
house,
the
ground
floor
main
floor
is
about
four
to
six
feet
above
grade,
and
you
know
that
I
understand
in
this
case
why
that
is
a
challenge,
but
nonetheless,
that
datum
is
part
of
that.
You
know
appropriateness
and
the
lacking
of
a
porch
again
with
almost
every
house
on
the
street
having
a
gracious
stair
going
up
to
that
level
with
a
large
covered
porch
in
the
front
again,
you
don't
have
to
replicate
that,
but
they're.
R
It
it's
just
missing,
it's
going
to
stand
out
rather
dramatically,
and
I
think
that
that
that's
what
we're
hoping
to
avoid.
I
think
the
other
thing
I'll
mention
is
that
the
you
know
I
understand
some
of
the
issues
with
the
roof,
but
the
fact
is
is
that
it
does
stand
out
as
a
as
a
contemporary
design.
R
You
know
where
roofs
are
sort
of
simplified
and
idealized,
and
this
roof
sort
of
does
that
and
it
doesn't
have
the
character
and
both
the
pitch
and
the
form
of
the
lines
of
the
roof
are
really
not
sympathetic
at
all
to
any
of
the
homes.
On
the
on
the
block
and
then
the
final
note
I'll
make
is,
I
understand
how
there
was
a
study
done
that
looked
at
the
proportions
of
window
openings
and
and
solids
devoids,
which
is,
I
understand,
but
there's
a
significant
element
or
a
flaw
in
that
study.
R
That
was
part
of
the
packet
where
there
was
a
line
suggesting
that
the
main
body
of
the
house,
the
proportions
of
that
were
consistent
with
the
other
homes
in
the
block
and
if
you
notice,
where
the
lower
right
hand
corner
of
that
diagonal
line,
indicating
that
proportion
on
the
adjacent
house
houses.
That
line
terminates
about
five
or
six
feet
in
the
air.
Where,
on
this
house,
it
terminates
pretty
much
at
the
ground,
and
I
think
that
to
suggest
that
that
proportion
is
somehow
you
know,
aligned
or
sympathetic
to
the
neighborhood
is
erroneous.
R
B
S
I
would
ask
the
commission
to
oppose
this
design
as
it
is.
It
does
not
finish
in
the
neighborhood,
as
many
other
people
have
stated
and
as
you
can
see
from
the
picture,
if
you
stand
on
the
street
and
look
at
the
lot
and
try
to
imagine
the
rendering
and
see
the
two
houses
that
are
on
either
side
of
it,
you'll
know
that
it'll
definitely
stick
out
like
a
sore
thumb
on
the
street.
S
S
So
I
hope
that
you'll
read
those
letters
and
understand
that
not
many
people
like
the
design
at
all,
and
we
would
appreciate
a
redesign,
including
porches
and
other
elements,
that
some
of
the
people
have
mentioned
window
size
for
myself.
I
don't
see
any
drainage
where's.
Where
are
the
gutters
on
this
on
this
house?
Are
there
any
downspouts
where's
the
water
going
to
go
when
it
rains
the
roofs?
The
asymmetry
of
the
roof
is
definitely
out
of
place.
S
The
comparison,
I
think
it
was
slide
number
73
to
the
row
houses
across
the
street.
That
made
me
laugh
out
loud
actually
because
didn't
really
make
much
sense,
but
anyway,
I
hope
that
you'll
take
that
into
consideration.
Please
oppose
this
design
and
please
ask
them
to
resubmit
something
that
actually
does
blend
in
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
I'm
sure
that
you
can
do
it
if
you're
that
talented,
I'm
sure
you
can
come
up
with
something.
Thank
you.
I
C
T
But
that's
who
I
am
I
mean
that's
my
age
group
and
that's
what
a
lot
of
people
are
in
evanston
and
they're
they're
almost
trapped
in
these
beautiful
old
homes
that
do
not
serve
them
very
well
at
all,
and
you
know
margaret's
one
house
that
is
on
one
level
is
not
going
to
solve
that
problem,
but
from
a
real
estate
point
of
view,
I
would
love
to
see
more
design
and
more
creative
thinking
about
how
we
are
going
to
provide
for
a
very
diverse
population
in
evans,
and
I
don't
mean
only
racially
diverse
or
economically
diverse.
T
I
mean
the
diversity
of
age,
and
you
know
I
I
support
margaret's
home.
I
support
this
design.
I
think
that's
probably
fairly
irrelevant
to
you,
because
I'm
the
real
estate
agent,
but
I
do
think
that
I
appreciate
the
difficulty
of
this
commission
because
to
say
something
if
something
is
compatible
is
a
pretty
nebulous
standard
and
it
does
not
mean
that
it
has
to
be.
It
doesn't
necessarily
mean
like
the
other
homes.
This
will
be
very
different,
so
I
think
that
the
architect
has
taken
the
idea
of
compatibility
very
very
seriously.
T
I
don't
think
it's
been
disrespectful
or
discounted.
I
know
that
they
both
have
worked
very
hard
on
this.
But
again
the
idea
of
compatibility
is
pretty
different
and
I
I
mean
that's
your
task
to
define
that
and
to
know
it
when
you
see
it,
but
it
compatible
doesn't
mean
it
looks
like
the
other
homes.
You
know
we've
heard
from
a
number
of
people,
I
don't
mind
a
new
home,
I
don't
mind
a
contemporary
home,
but
what?
T
What
really
does
that
mean
are
any
elements
that
strike
people
at
the
neighbors,
for
example,
that
strike
neighbors
as
contemporary?
Are
they
really
going
to
accept
those?
I
don't
know,
but
again
that's
for
the
commission
to
discuss
and
decide,
but
I
will.
I
just
would
like
to
emphasize
that
this
idea
of
trying
to
be
compatible
with
a
very
beautiful
block
that
I
loved
and
I
lived
on
for
many
years-
was
taken
very
seriously.
So
thank
you.
B
If
anyone
else
would
like
to
speak,
I
would
ask
that
you
come
up
one
by
one
and
then
sign
in
on
the
sign-in
sheet
in
front.
I
don't
have
anyone
else
signed
up.
A
So
nate,
why
do
you
have
any
other
comments
related
to
that
that
you've
heard
or
would
you
prefer
that
we
just
go
into
deliberation.
J
Just
real
briefly,
just
probably
just
two
points,
so
I
know
that
there's
been
some
comments
about
the
precedent
that
this
would
set
for
additions
and
renovations,
and
I
know
that
has
nothing
zero
to
do
with
this.
This
is
a
totally
separate
thing.
This
a
condition
like
this
comes
up
very
rarely
in
any
of
the
historic
districts.
J
The
other
thing
is,
I
believe,
in
the
process
here.
I've
I've
been
part
of
this
for
30
years.
I
you
know,
I
hear
this
stuff,
I
see
stuff
in
the
paper.
It
you
know,
lose
a
few
hours
of
sleep
over
it,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
whatever
you
guys
would
like
will
be
delivered,
and
there.
O
A
I
know
that
standard
six,
which
is
the
rhythm
of
entry
entrance
porsches,
has
been
noted
several
times
and
I
know
stuart.
You
mentioned
it
specifically.
I
know
you
also
mentioned
the
walls
of
continuity,
which
is
standard,
nine
and
I
believe
you're
you're,
saying
standard
four
for
rhythm
of
solids
to
voids
just
so
that
we
discuss
as
a
whole.
Are
there
any
other
standards
that
that
commissioners
would
like
to
discuss.
O
I
think,
as
I
read
it,
standard
16
has
kind
of
two
sections
to
it.
You
know
it
it.
A
E
Go
ahead
and
if
and
if
it
may
follow
on
that,
and
I
think
that's
what
refers
then
to
standard
14,
where
it
actually
kind
of
fleshes
out
what
compatibility
they're
looking
for,
which
is
the
last
part
of
the
sentence.
Such
design
is
compatible
with
the
size,
scale,
color,
material
and
character
of
the
property,
neighborhood
or
environment.
E
So
there's
not
only
that
that
requirement
to
to
show
at
least
the
to
demonstrate
the
thought
that
went
into
into
the
new
design
and
how
that
it
reflects
the
compatibility,
but
it
as
well
as
the
the
standards
above
that
that
you've
already
mentioned.
A
N
B
I
think
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
I
think
one
thing
I'd
like
to
say
is
that
there's
obviously
a
lot
of
things
about
this
design
that
are
highly
commendable,
and
I
think
that
could
be
considered
highly
innovative
and
important
and
necessary
for
for
the
world
that
we
live
in
and
that
this
location
in
such
a
significant
block
might
be
very
deserving
of
such
a
home.
I
think
what
the
commission
is
here
to
do
is
to
react
to
what
you
proposed:
it's
not
to
offer
design
solutions,
it's
not
to
design
this
for
you.
B
So
I
think,
as
we
offer
standards
that
are
of
concern,
that's
very
important.
I
think
also.
What
maybe
stuart
is
talking
about,
is,
if
there's
further
documentation
that
you
could
provide
that
could
aid
in
the
commission's
assessment
of
this
project.
I
would
encourage
the
commissioners
to
discuss
that
as
well.
M
Had
a
few
related
points
that
do
relate
to
that.
So,
first
of
all,
you
know
just
as
background
I
mean
often
for
for
new.
You
know.
New
homes
like
this
can
be
very
challenging
and
it's
more
often
than
not.
It
takes
multiple.
You
know,
revisions
are
made
and
the
applicant
comes
back
and
then
the
home
is
approved,
and
certainly
you
know,
I
think
I
didn't
hear
anybody
who
was
against
you
building
a
house
here
or
a
modern
house
or
new
construction,
and
certainly
those
of
us
in
the
commission.
M
You
know
want
to
see
you
succeed
in
terms
of
the
you
know
this
kind
of
engagement
with
the
standards.
M
M
You
know
much
more
analytical
data
about
the
exact
relationship
with
the
neighboring
homes
than
you
did
and
that's
going
to
be
a
necessity,
but
but
I
I'm
afraid
that
that
the
because
perhaps
you
weren't
thinking
that
way
in
the
process,
I'm
not
sure
the
design
is
going
to
get
approval
without
some
modifications,
and
I
think
that
those
two
just
totally
go
together
is
that
process
of
looking
at
the
standards.
M
Looking
at
what
meets
the
standards
and
what's
different
than
the
standards
assessing
that,
and
then
you
know
what
that
means
for
the
design,
and
you
know
once
you
you
once
in
a
while
touch
the
neighbor
houses,
but
just
as
often
you
were
touching
on,
for
example,
the
using
as
a
principal
argument
similar
very
modern
homes
like
on
wesleyan
ridge,
and
I
know
I
I
went
and
walked
the
block
today,
because
you
know
you
need
to
see
the
real
estate
to
understand
it,
and
this
is
a
really
one
of
the
most.
M
You
know
I
mean
I
I'm
not
an
architect,
and
I
can't
even
imagine
how
you
know
one
could
surmount
these
challenges,
but
I
do
think
this
block
is
particularly
I'm
challenging
to
design
a
house
that
fits
on,
and
I
think
it's,
this
block,
it's
the
neighboring
houses
that
are
really
one
of
the
most
fabulous
blocks
in
evanston,
and
you
have
to
accept
that
that's
the
case
and
and
work
with
it.
M
I
think,
finally,
in
doing
that,
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
you
hear
lots
of
opinions
from
commissioners
from
people
in
the
audience
and
the
standards
you
know
I
mean
we
rewrote
that
innovation
standard.
You
know,
I
think
carlos
and
I
are
probably
the
only
people
here
who
worked
on.
I
don't
know,
susie
was
in
the
commission
yet,
but
we
definitely
wanted
applicants
to
be
able
to
build
modern,
innovative
houses
that
in
some
ways
were
very
different
to
the
surrounding
houses.
M
We
wanted
that,
that's
what
it
is
about,
and
I
think
you
know
I
think
I
probably
wrote
those
words
innovative
design
with
you
know
with
julie
hecker
and
we
we
definitely
meant
houses
like
this,
a
hundred
percent
but
and
the
compatibility
you
know
people
are
saying.
Well,
you
know
it
needs
a
porch.
It
needs
this
elevation.
M
I
think
it
needs
some
compatibility.
It
needs
to
pay
some
homage
to
the
houses,
but
I
think,
as
as
commissioner
reinhold
just
said,
it's
totally
up
to
you
how
to
do
that.
You're
not
going
to
you,
don't
need
to
satisfy
every
objection.
You
don't
need
to
say
this
person
wanted
this.
Therefore,
I'm
going
to
do
it,
but
I
think
that
you
know
again.
M
The
challenge
is
yours
to
come
up
with
a
way
of
paying
homage
to
the
houses
while
doing
your
very
innovative
design,
and
that
probably
inherently
means
in
some
ways
you're
going
to
find
relationships
that
these
features
of
these
houses
in
some
ways
you're
not-
and
I
think
again,
it's
up
to
you
to
present
a
design
not
to
us
to
design
it,
and
I
think
it's
gonna.
You
know
with
this
block
and
and
the
challenges
it's
gonna,
take
all
your
skills
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
do.
M
You
know
that
beautiful
home,
in
a
way
that
you
know
has
that
compatibility
with
the
block
and
that
you
know,
hopefully,
we
can
approve.
N
So
that
we're
clear
to
nate,
I
think,
we've
gone
through
the
standards
that
people
have
problems
with.
Although
john
pointed
out
the
asymmetrical
roofs
on
the
back.
I
I'm
fine
with
those
knowing
that,
in
fact,
they're
canted
to
maximize
the
exposure
on
the
solar
panels.
So
for
me-
and
I
would
love
to
know
if
my
fellow
commissioners
agree
with
me-
I
think
we
should
ask
nate
to
really
just
address
the
front
of
this
house
unless
everybody
feels
differently.
H
Yeah,
I
was
actually
going
to
say
when
I
was
walking
the
neighborhood
and
looking
at
the
site.
I
thought
one
of
one
of
the
challenges
you
also
had
was
that
larimer
park
is
behind
you,
and
so
you
know,
as
a
district
you're
dealing
with
you
know
primary
visual
view
sheds,
and
you
have
a
big
one
behind
you
too,
and
when
I
looked
at
the
design
I
thought.
Oh,
you
know
it's
one
characteristic
of
the
neighborhood
like
I
was.
H
I
was
almost
going
to
add
standard
number,
six,
the
roof
shapes,
but
it's
not
necessarily
matching
the
exact
roof
shape.
It's
more
that
there's
so
much
dimension,
dimension,
dimensionality
to
all
these
houses.
On
your
block-
and
you
keep
saying
you
know
we
want
to
be
a
big
house,
you
know,
even
though
we
don't
want
a
lot
of
space,
we
have
a
little
house
right
across
the
street
from
you
right
next
to
the
row
houses.
H
You
know
that
that
it
fits
in
and
has
a
porch
also
and
but
but
the
back
I
thought
you
know,
had
some
kind
of
cool
creative
things
going
on
that
did
match
some
of
the
dimensionality
that
you
see
when
you
look
around
the
other
houses
in
the
back
too
from
larimer.
H
I
know
this
and
I
also
want
to
say
I
know
this
process
is
like
you've
worked
so
hard
to
get
this
far,
and
it's
and
nate's
very
familiar
with
it.
I
know
as
an
owner.
It's
like
it's
such
a
difficult
process
to
sit
here
and,
like
you
know,
you
know,
hear
all
these
things
that
aren't
intended
to
be
criticisms.
It's
a
really
cool
design
and
I
know
we're
gonna
get
there,
but
and
I'm
really
appreciative
of
what
you're
doing
in
bringing
something
like
this
to
the
neighborhood.
Q
Q
So
for
me,
its
standard
six
is
probably
my
main
objection
rhythm
of
entrance
porches
and
when-
and
I
want
to
get
even
more
specific,
when
I
look
at
the
facade,
I
see
what
feels
like
three
separate
porch
elements
and
it
that's
where
the
rhythm
seems
to
be
incompatible
with
the
remainder
of
the
homes
on
the
streetscape,
whereas
some
porches
might
have
one
or
two
different
architectural
elements
to
them.
That
still
feels
like
one
porch.
This
feels
like
three
separate
porches
and
I'm
not
sure
one
porch
is
the
answer
here
on
this
house.
A
J
You
know
absolutely
I
mentioned
you
know
I've
been
through
this
a
lot,
maybe
not
to
this
kind
of
microscope,
but
I
certainly
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
we're
all
gonna
be
happy
with
it.
So
I've
listened
very
carefully
and
you
know.
R
J
Been
some
stuff
not
necessarily
from
the
board
but
from
the
commission,
but
that
I
understand
you
know
something
is
parachuting
in
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation
that
you
know
the
district
has
17
decades
of
stuff
now
granted.
J
This
is
compressed
into
maybe
six
or
seven
decades,
but
still
when
that
newer
one
popped
in
those
crazy
craftsmen
or
whatever
you
know,
I'm
sure
there
was
an
uproar
so
but
we'll
we'll
get
through
it,
and
I
I
want
to
make
something
that
you
guys
are
proud
of
and
most
importantly
margaret
is
and
and
and
the
neighbors
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day,
margaret's
going
to
be
there
amongst
the
neighbors.
I
want
them.
I
want
everyone
to
be
happy
about
it.
J
So
again,
I've
been
listening
very
carefully
and
I'll
work
very
hard
to
do
that.
A
Thank
you
and
I
think
the
commission
wants
to
see
you
succeed,
and
this
would
be
a
great
asset
to
evanston
on
on
many
levels
to
summarize
just
for
you
nate,
so
that
you
have
it.
I
think,
there's
a
strong
comments
towards
the
standard
six,
which
is
the
rhythm
of
the
entrance
porches
and
the
other
projections.
A
Other
standards
are
the
proportion
of
facades
which
is
standard,
two
standard
four,
which
is
the
rhythm
of
solids
to
voids.
There
was
comment
on
standard
eight,
which
is
the
roof
shapes
and
possibly
the
depth
of
the
roof,
and
then
the
standard
nine,
which
is
walls
of
continuity.
A
I
think
too,
if
there
can
be
any
documentation
put
into
the
presentation
to
help
us
understand
how
these
standards
are
met
in
relation
to
the
adjacent
homes
primarily
and
then
possibly
the
rest
of
the
block.
I
think
that
would
help
us
all
understand
much
better
about
your
intentions
on
that.
A
L
F
D
A
U
I
move
that
we
move
case
22
press
0081
for
1210
maple
avenue
in
the
ridge,
historic
district
to
our
next
meeting
july.
12Th.
A
A
So
our
next
case
is
650
forest
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district,
very
if
you'd
like
to
stop
to
the
podium.
This
is
for
the
demolition
of
an
existing
two-story,
rear
edition
construction
of
a
new
two-story
addition,
an
open
wood
deck
at
the
rear
volume
and
replacement
of
the
existing
front.
Porch
windows.
A
P
Present
information
on
with
regard
to
the
project
at
650
forest
avenue
batteries
tonight.
D
P
Gary
is
the
there
there's
one
all
right.
Okay,
this
is
a
this
is
a
craftsman
house.
Our
proposal
here
is
to
remove
these
existing
non-non-original
screen
windows.
These
were
these
were
done
thoughtfully
by
a
previous
owner,
but
it's
a
handyman
kind
of
project.
There
are
some
single
pane
glass
windows
behind
there
we
want
to.
P
We
propose
taking
these
all
out,
reconstructing
them
with
the
same
proportion
and
fenestration,
but
using
and
engineered
in
a
more
permanent
solution
that
would
allow
us
to
interchange
those
windows,
making
that
a
proper
three
seasons
porch
for
the
owner
to
to
enjoy.
P
You
see
some
existing
conditions,
images
at
the
back
of
the
house.
This
was
an
edition
that
was
probably
late,
80s
early
90s,
maybe
which
was
a
small,
a
small
bay
window
in
a
kitchen
and
a
small
extension
to
a
bedroom,
we'll
be
removing
all
of
this
from
the
back
of
the
house
and
constructing
it.
Constructing
a
new
two-story
addition
with
a
mud
room
off
to
the
side
and
a
larger
porch
off
the
rear
of
the
house.
If
you
give
me
the
next
slide
there,
we
go
from
the
site
plan
you
can
see.
P
This
is
that
existing
porch
and
bay,
that
we'll
be
removing
the
bedroom
edition,
is
squared
just
above
that
bay.
So
you
can
see
the
extent
of
that
here.
P
P
If
you
give
me
the
next
slide,
please
the
roof
plan,
to
give
you
an
example
of
an
idea
of
how
we've
structured
this
we've
used
the
truncated
hip
on
the
back
of
the
house,
which
is
similar
to
the
existing
portion
of
the
house
that
we're
extending
in
order
to
make
this
it's
rather
flat
from
the
rear
of
the
house
and
from
the
alley.
You
really
can't
see
the
peak
of
that
roof,
but
we
are
maintaining
those
lines
in
that
roof
shape
below.
P
On
the
one
story,
mudroom
addition
on
the
corner,
we
have
a
small,
a
small
hip,
standing
seam
roof
that
leads
out
onto
this
large
porch,
for
that
will
include
a
dining
terrace
and
a
small
set
of
steps
again
an
example
of
the
existing
conditions,
we're
moving
this
section
of
roof
in
order
to
extend
that
the
windows
these
are
not
original.
These
were
part
of
remodeling
in
the
late
80s
early
90s
and
the
porch
in
the
back.
P
You
have
the
next
line.
Please,
the
new
windows
obviously
will
look
like
the
old
ones,
our
rear
edition.
We
are
taking
a
number
of
cues
from
the
existing
house.
This
is
a
craftsman
style
house.
It's
predominantly
stucco
has
a
number
of
half-timbering
elements
to
it,
which
you
can
see
on
the
front
of
the
house.
Here.
We've
taken
the
cues
for
this
edition
from
that
we've
created
a
deep,
almost
board
and
batten
profile
for
that,
in
order
to
pick
up
on
the
shadow
lines
is
a
heavily
wooded
rear
yard.
P
We're
interested
in
what
the
dappling
of
the
sunlight
will
do
on
the
side
of
this
house.
So
we've
introduced
a
horizontal,
a
horizontal
shift,
lap
siding.
I
think
nickel
gap
siding
horizontally
with
these
large
vertical
panels
and
then
a
section
of
stucco
across
the
base
of
the
edition
will
be
stucco.
That
will
continue
the
color
of
the
house
around.
So
this
edition
will
appear
new,
innovative
and
of
its
own
time,
but
will
take
all
of
the
elements
of
the
existing
house.
P
The
trim
conditions
extrapolated
from
the
from
the
the
half
timbering
on
the
house,
the
stucco
and
the
proportions
of
the
existing
structure.
If
I
could,
okay
in
from
the
side
there
again
is,
there's
the
section
of
that
hip
roof
that
we're
moving
the
porch
in
the
back.
The
next
slide,
please,
we
are
introducing
a
new
window
and
portion
of
the
mudroom
and
in
the
master,
suite
new
windows
on
the
side,
the
proportions
these
windows
align
with
the
head
conditions.
P
We
have
made
these
taller
to
gain
more
light
and
more
view
out
of
the
back
of
the
house
as
you'll
recall
from
the
site
plan
and
the
roof
plan.
This
is
set
back
from
the
side.
It's
not
visible
from
the
side
yard
of
the
house
and
therefore
takes
advantage
of
the
the
new
language
and
the
new
forms
in
the
rear
of
the
house
from
the
other
side,
we're
removing
a
series
of
these
high
bay
window.
These
high
windows
that
were
part
of
a
part
of
the
previous
renovation.
P
Our
next
slide,
please
in
introducing
stucco
as
an
extension
of
the
sidewall
of
the
house
to
create
that
panel
and
then
the
addition
in
the
back
and
again
keeping
that
roof
form
as
it
slides
out
the
fenestration
on
the
porch
and
the
deck
system
is
very
similar
to
what
we're
doing
with
the
rest
of
the
house
tall
vertical
lines,
trying
to
accentuate
the
height
of
this
house
and
take
advantage
of
the
craftsman
details
that
are
also
exhibited
on
the
inside
of
the
house.
P
The
woodwork
and
railings
and
things
on
the
inside
of
this
house
are
quite
nice
and
relatively
original.
The
previous
owner
had
done
quite
a
bit
of
remodeling
over
the
time
and
did
a
nice
job
with
it.
So
we're
continuing
a
little
bit
of
that
from
the
inside
out.
Okay,
the
next
slide,
please
a
couple
of
renderings
of
how
we're
of
how
we're
achieving
this.
You
can
see
that
hipped
roof
on
the
back,
the
hip
proof
extending
as
a
as
a
continuation
of
that
gable.
P
The
stucco
line
coming
around
the
corner
of
our
two-story
addition
and
then
a
small
step
on
the
inside,
where
we
begin
the
shiplap
siding
and
the
surface
of
this
entry
porch
using
again
the
tall
vertical
lines
that
are
reminiscent
of
the
craftsman
style.
These
tall
windows
with
this
with
similar
glazing
features
as
the
rest
of
the
house
and
then
the
panelization.
I
talked
about
earlier
picking
up
on
the
depth
to
to
to
take
advantage
of
the
light
and
the
way
the
light
falls
across
this
this
particular
structure.
P
From
the
other
side,
we
have
set
this
wall
continuous
with
the
existing
stucco.
We
do
have
a
small
return
on
the
side
in
order
to
differentiate
this
addition,
the
cornice
line
and
the
trim
board
around
picks
up
on
the
rest
of
the
house,
so
this
is
architecturally
a
way
for
us
to
make
a
transition
between
the
new
edition
and
the
stucco
on
the
side
of
the
house.
Again,
this
is
relatively
in
it's
relatively
obscured
from
the
public
way.
It
would
be
very
difficult
to
see
it.
P
The
predominant
view
from
the
alley
is
this
in
the
back
and
the
views
from
the
side,
because
the
addition
is
set
in
from
the
two
sides
is
relatively
invisible,
as
it
were
from
the
from
the
main
street
on
forest.
So
I
think,
then
I
think
there's
one
more
slide
yeah
and
then
of
you.
Looking
at
the
back
of
the
house
again,
you
know
these
views
are
a
bit
deceptive.
This
is
as
if
you're
a
bird
about
to
crash
into
the
second
floor
from
lower
again,
you
really
understand
this
cornice
and
the
soffit.
P
You
really
don't
get
a
feeling
for
that,
even
if
you're
standing
in
the
alley
with
your
back
against
the
the
opposite
property,
so
see
the
next
slide.
If
we
have
it,
the
existing
house
has
a
number
of
marvin
windows
in
it.
If
they're,
not
all
original,
there
are
several
original
windows
in
the
house.
P
It's
our
intention,
as
as
we
work
with
this
client
to
continue
replacing
degraded
windows
or
or
unsalvageable
windows
throughout
the
house
with
the
marvin
windows,
which
is
the
ultimate
landmark
series
window
that
was
previously
approved.
We're
asking
for
you
to
prove
it
for
this
edition.
It's
not
our
intention
right
now
to
replace
any
other
windows,
but
as
we
go
through,
we
may
come
back
to
the
commission.
P
The
idea
would
be
that
this.
This
is
our
roadmap
for
how
we
would
address
the
rest
of
these
windows
to
limit
mismatched
grouping
of
windows
on
this
particular
house.
P
I
think,
that's,
I
think,
just
those
cut
sheets
for
that
yeah
and
kate
had
asked
me
for
some
indication
of
what
this
was.
You
can
see
that
these
are
storm
panels
that
probably
came
from
evanston
glass
and
they're
they're
attached
to
the
wood
framing
with
machine
screws,
so
they'll
be
easy
to
remove.
Q
P
N
Yeah
and
comparing
the
rendering
to
the
elevations,
you
know
I
I
looked
at
them
and
said:
oh
okay,
that
piece
on
the
back
is
got
horizontal,
siding
on
it
and
I
suspected
that
it
was
to
differentiate
that
piece
as
a
porch
which
is
added
on,
although
it's
very
large,
to
read
simply
as
a
porch
and
what
I'm
wondering
about.
I
started
wondering
about
that
when
I
saw
the
renderings,
which
actually
show
that
as
stucco
and
I'm
wondering
about
why
you
made
the
choice
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
then.
P
I
mean
within
these
panels,
are
horizontal,
horizontal
nickel
gap
panels.
You
know
you
know.
N
So
there
is
siding
as
well,
absolutely
doesn't
show
in.
Oh,
I
just
enlarged
this
on
my
screen
and
in
addition
to
what
john
pointed
out,
which
is
that
you've
got
basically
a
horizontal
mutton
and
then
four
divisions
above
it
which
is
different
from
the
rendering.
Can
you
can
you
blow
that
up.
D
N
P
The
renderings
are,
the
renderings
are
not
always
as
accurate
as
we'd
like
them
to
be.
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
highly
stylizing
a
lot
of
these
in
order
to
not
have
that
happen,
but
I
assure
you
that
within
these
panels
the
intention
is
horizontal
nickel
gap,
paneling,
okay,.
N
I
have
another
question:
well,
the
rendering
shows
the
gable
and
window
a
little
bit
differently
from
what's
actually
there
what
you're
you
know.
Generally,
while
we
don't
require
floor
plans,
many
of
the
people
submitting
give
us
floor
plans
which
I
find
incredibly
useful
to
understand
decisions.
People
are
making
about
new
windows,
heads
and
sills
of
windows
and
understanding
what
is
actually
behind
that.
So
my
question
is
I'm
assuming
that
you've
gone
to
this
low
hip
roof
to
not
interfere
with
that
window,
because
there's
finished
space
behind
that?
N
P
N
Now,
gary,
I
think
it's
a
nice
addition.
Thank
you.
Okay,
I'm
just
asking
questions
to
try
and
understand
the
sequence
of
decisions,
the
the
other
thing,
because
you
cite
craftsman
stuff.
If
you
look
at
the
front
of
the
house
because
it
wasn't
real
structural
timbering,
the
very
nearly
the
boards
are
actually
device
to
organize
windows.
So
I'm
wondering
because
it's
not
happening
on
the
front
of
house
and
certainly
not
happening
on
the
side
of
the
house.
Why?
N
You
do
you
know
if
you
think
of
the
front
of
wright's
ward
willett's
house
where
the
tall
casement
windows
are
grouped
vertically,
but
it's
just
a
vertical
panel.
I
wonder
why
you
decided
to
wrap
all
of
that
trim
system
around
the
house
where
it
doesn't
go
anywhere.
It
just
sort
of
stops
against
the
existing
house.
N
P
Appreciate
that
that
interior
floor
plans
and
design
decisions
for
the
interiors
of
these
projects
are
not
germane
to
the
preservation's
decision.
Making
our
client
wanted
a
very
modern
and
open
project,
and
it
was.
It
was
important
to
us
to
create
an
addition
that
spoke
to
the
interior,
the
openness
and
the
brightness
of
the
space.
P
She
came
to
us
with
a
history
of
having
grown
up,
taking
advantage
of
japanese
tea
houses,
and
we
took
that
as
a
as
a
jumping-off
point
and
part
of
the
inspiration
for
how
we
interpreted
this
craftsman.
Paneling
came
from
some
of
the
some
of
the
very
modern
and
very
articulated
japanese
tea
houses,
which
are
highly
detailed
and
highly
crafted,
not
unlike
craftsman
houses,
so
that
that
I
think,
speaks
to
your
point
as
to
why
we
chose
to
differentiate
those
spaces
as
we
turn
the
corner.
But
again
as
it
relates
to
these
standards.
P
N
I
move
that
we
grant
650
forest
avenue,
22
press
0,
0
80,
a
request
to
demolish
an
existing
rear
story,
edition
and
construct
a
new
story
edition
with
an
open
wood
deck
at
the
back
of
the
house
and
replace
the
existing
front.
Porch
windows
applicable
standards,
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration,
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
five,
seven
through
eight
and
ten
and
fifteen.
D
A
I'll
do
it
while
you're
okay
next
case
is
701
forest
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
landmark
building
that
is
proposing
to
construct
a
second-story
edition
and
rear
two-story
addition
to
an
existing
detached
garage.
P
Again,
my
name
is
gary
shoemaker,
I'm
with
shoemaker
design
associates,
I'm
here
representing
the
clients
at
701
forest
avenue.
Some
of
you
may
remember
this
project.
We've
we've
been
fortunate
enough
to
be
able
to
have
done
a
number
of
renovations
with
this
family
they've
been
a
fabulous
fabulous
family
to
work
with,
and
we've
enjoyed
every
moment
of
this
process.
P
They
came
to
us
most
recently
and
asked
for
us
to
help
them
rebuild
the
garage
in
the
back
of
the
house
when
they
purchased
the
house.
The
existing
garage
that
you
see
was
covered
in
ivy
and
being
cubs
fans
that
was
pretty
important
to
them.
So
they've
come
to
us
now
and
said
they'd
like
to
remodel
this
garage
and
expand
it
so
that
it
can
can
become
a
place,
a
safe
place
to
park
cars.
It
is
a
very
old
garage
with
very
low
openings
and
it's
difficult
to
get
modern
cars
into
this
one.
P
So
our
proposal
here
is
to
salvage
the
volume
the
first
floor
volume
of
this
garage
and
to
construct
an
addition
on
top
of
it
and
a
small
one-story
addition
to
the
side.
This
would
be
partially,
mostly
two-car.
Storage,
some
bikes
and
some
paddle
boards
and
whatnot,
and
then
it
would
also
be
an
exercise
space.
On
the
second
floor,
it
is
not
a
coach
house,
it
is,
there
is
storage,
but
there
is
usable
space
on
the
second
floor,
we're
not
plumbing
it.
P
So
if,
if
that
were
to
come
up
as
a
question
the
effectively
there
we
go
so
again,
this
is
the
existing
garage.
P
This
is
the
proposed
edition
on
the
first
level
that
we're
asking
for
there's
the
there's
the
footprint
of
the
existing
there's.
There
are
four
bays
here:
it's
not
big
enough
for
four
cars,
as
it
were
effective.
The
next
slide,
please,
we've
provided
here.
This
is
an
existing
footprint
of
the
garage
that
we're
planning
to
disassemble
and
reconfigure.
P
Our
intention
is
to
retain
the
two
openings
on
the
garage
now
and
to
re
and
to
rework
the
last
one,
and
you
saw
the
those
steel
windows
in
the
back
of
the
garage,
the
steel
windows.
We
don't
believe
to
be
original.
A
lot
of
this
garage
was
was
cobbled
together
and
remodeled
over
the
course
of
its
long
life,
including
some
floor,
slab,
work
and
things
like
that.
P
So
a
roof
plan
showing
that
what
we
have
done
and
we'll
we'll
look
at
in
a
moment
we'll
look
at
a
picture
of
the
of
the
main
house.
This
is
one
of
the
few
intact
italian
eights
that
retained
its
its
tower.
P
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
to
stabilize
and
renovate
that
tower
over
the
years,
so
we've
taken
a
cue
from
that
tower
and
creating
this
hipped
roof
structure
on
top
with
two
flat
seam
metal
roof
dormers,
one
facing
the
main
house
and
one
facing
to
the
north
in
order
to
capture
some
light
for
some
workout
space
and
inhabitable
space.
On
the
second
floor,
this
is
a
small
one-story
addition
that
allows
us
to
get
a
stair
up
to
the
upper
section
and
also
to
minimize
minimize
the
bulk
in
the
backyard.
P
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
For
me,
this
is
the
existing
garage.
The
dark
section
is
the
section
of
brick
that
we'll
be
taking
down
to
repurpose
on
the
rest
of
the
addition
and
that's
on
both
ends.
This
is
this
section
of
the
garage
and
the
rear
that
we'll
be
retaining
those
the
existing
steel
windows
will
modify
those
openings.
The
windows
are
not
salvageable,
they're
rusted
completely
through
and
most
most
have
broken
glass
in
them.
P
This
this
fence
structure
is
part
of
a
landscaping
project
that
was,
that
was
part
of
a
project
that
we
did
in
the
most
recent
we'll
be
retaining
that.
So
the
only
thing
we're
asking
to
do
in
terms
of
fence
work
is
to
recreate
that
gate.
On
the
other
side,
which
is
an
existing
gate,
so
we'll
replicate
it
if
we
can't
salvage
it
and
reinstall
it.
If
you
can
have
the
next
slide,
please
this
is
the
proposed.
These
are
the
proposed
elevations
of
the
garage.
P
P
You
can
see
those
sections
on
the
main
body
of
the
house
if
you
were,
if
I
don't
know,
if
anyone,
I
don't
think
anyone
here
was
on
the
commission
at
the
time
when
we,
when
we
did
the
original
two
projects,
we
we
replicated
a
great
number
of
these
that
were
deteriorated
and
broken.
A
lot
of
the
finials
had
snapped
off
so
we'll
be
using
the
same,
the
same
millworkers
to
recreate
those
details
around
this
garage.
P
P
This
is
that
north
facing
that
north
facing
dormer
that
I
mentioned,
that
has
the
metal
the
flat
seam
metal
roof
on
it.
This
is
a
bay
reminiscent
of
the
front
facade
of
the
of
the
tower
that
has
a
pair
has
a
french
door
in
it
and
a
juliet
balcony
that
allows
some
fresh
air
and
some
light
into
that
upper
section,
and
these
are
the
windows
that
we're
salvaging
in
the
bottom.
P
Also
picking
up
on
some
of
the
landscaping
items,
the
the
rear
land,
the
rear
yard
is
surrounded
by
trellises
that
have
growing
ivs
and
forsythia
and
things
on
them.
So
we're
going
to
recreate
some
of
that
on
the
back
of
the
house
as
well.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
there
we've
provided
a
contextual
section
to
show
you
the
relationship
of
the
main,
the
rear
of
the
main
house
to
the
front.
P
Unfortunately,
we
hadn't,
we
don't
have
a
drawing
all
the
way
to
the
front,
but
the
rear
portion
of
this
house
is
about
half
a
story
lower
than
the
front
story.
So
when
you
see
this
house
from
the
street,
I
assume
you've
all
walked
past
it.
It's
much
taller
in
the
front
that
it
is
in
the
back.
P
The
detail,
work,
dental
work
brackets
and
fascia
of
this
edition
will
mimic
what
we're
doing
on
this,
which
is
a
slightly
smaller
version
of
what
the
main
house
has
all
the
way
around
the
upper
sections,
and
there
obviously
was
the
existing
garage.
This
is
looking
at
it.
From
the
other
end,
you
can
see
the
deck
structure
and
the
mud
room
addition
that
was
part
of
the
previous
that
was
part
of
our
previous
project
with
them
and
then
the
end
elevation
of
the
of
the
garage
structure.
So
again,
there's
the
masonry.
P
The
upper
section
is
siding
details
and
collaborate
to
match
the
existing
house.
Next
slide,
please
siri
stuart.
We've.
We've
rendered
this
one
a
little
bit
more
clearly
for
you.
So
again,
the
the
color
scheme
on
this
house
was
was
not
a
not
an
exact
replica
of
the
original
house,
but
we
did
do.
We
did
do
some
exploration
and
some
testing
of
paints
to
get
back
to
the
original
paints.
P
This
will
be
a
continuation
of
that
same
paint
scheme
and
what
you
can
see
is
we've,
because
we
want
this
house
this,
this
garage
structure
from
the
from
the
public
way,
which
is
the
alley
to
appear
a
little
bit
more
cohesive.
We
are
not
using
masonry
on
the
back
side
of
the
house
as
it
comes
down
and
meets
the
alley
so
from
the
back.
This
is
a
fully
clabbered
and
and
painted
wood
structure.
P
You
can
see
that
behind
that
gate,
we've
retained
the
masonry
and
behind
this
gate,
as
it
returns
down
the
side.
This
is
the
corner
that
begins
the
addition
that
we're
proposing
on
the
first
level
so
unless
you're
invited
into
the
backyard,
you
won't
know,
there's
brick
back
there,
so
checking
out
the
next
slide.
There's
the
flat
elevation
as
you
as
you
pass
the
garage
in
the
alley,
and
then
this
is
the
view
of
the
garage
from
the
rear
yard.
P
We've
used
this
long
slope
to
create
a
backdrop
which
is
not
dissimilar
from
the
original
garage.
That's
there,
although
that's
that
roof,
is
not
quite
as
steep
the
details
of
this
of
this
bay,
reminiscent
of
the
front
bay
on
the
on
the
main
house,
and
then
the
gutters
and
downspouts
are
half
round
galvanized
aluminum,
which
also
replicate
what's
on
the
house
on
the
main
house,
and
you
can
see
some
of
the
the
trellis
work.
That's
existing.
P
Not
all
this
is
existing,
we're
not
proposing
anything
other
than
to
continue
some
of
that
language
onto
the
facade
of
the
back
of
the
house.
At
the
back
of
the
coach
house
and
a
couple
of
extra
renderings
to
show
you
the
this
is
what
the
neighbors
and
what
you'll
see
from
behind
again,
we
love
the
brick
on
the
house.
We
think
it's
appropriate,
but
in
the
entrance
of
consistency
with
the
historic
fabric,
you
wouldn't
see
it
from
outside
of
the
fence.
N
So
gary,
I
think
that
you've
done
a
nice
job
of
presenting
the
project
and
I
would
like
to
compliment
you.
I
think
it's
a
lovely
addition,
which
is
a
beautifully
beautifully
done
and
I
particularly
admire
the
way
in
which
you've
adapted
the
primary
features
of
the
existing
house
and
modified
them
to
use
in
the
garage.
I
compliment
you
on
that.
N
Having
said
that,
in
your
previous
presentation,
you
suggested
that
the
addition
on
the
back
was
different
because
the
secretary
of
the
standards
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
called
for
that.
But
you
are
aware
that
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
suggests
that
you
shouldn't
ever
do
what
you're
showing
here,
which
is
to
replicate
historic
details.
So
you
are
picking
and
choosing,
but
that's
okay,
because
our
standards
have
pretty
much
thrown
out
the
original
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
as
something
that
architects
no
longer
feel
should
be
applied.
P
P
P
Addressed
in
any
way,
there
is,
if
you
notice
that
it
is
actually
crushing
the
fence,
it
has
one
dying
limb
that
we
are
going
to
remove
it's
the
one
that
crosses
the
it
goes
over
the
one
that
crosses
the
fence.
We've
we
built
the
fence
around
it
many
years
ago,
but
it
isn't,
it
hasn't
improved.
So
we're
going
to
remove
that
limb,
but
the
tree
will
be
just
fine.
N
I
move
that
we
approve
701
forest
avenue,
22
press
0066,
a
two-story
addition
and
to
an
existing
detached
garage,
applicable
standards;
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
L
L
V
And
speak
to
you
about
this
project,
so
my
name
is
david
emerick.
I
am
co-owner
of
the
property
with
my
wife,
catherine.
V
We
live
there
with
our
two
children
there
at
123
oak
avenue,
so
I
had
a
prior
career
in
architecture
when
I
worked
with
nationally
prominent
firms
in
colorado
and
michigan
addressing
historic
preservation
and
adaptive
reuse.
V
My
primary
work
now
is
in
other
fields,
and
so
we've
worked
closely
with
longtime
friend,
evident
evanston
resident
and
architect
diane
zabich,
to
bring
this
proposal
to
you,
I'm
speaking
this
evening,
given
familiarity
familiarity
with
both
the
project
and
the
site's
history.
V
We
relocated
to
1223
oak
a
year
ago
and
have
taken
some
time
to
understand
the
history
of
the
house
and
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
both
within
the
historic
district
and
extending
to
the
broader
central
evanston
area.
In
fact,
our
neighborhood's
featuring
prominently
here-
I
I
don't
know
if
every
session
is
as
exciting,
but
I'm
pleased
to
be
here.
In
fact
in
you
know
that
search
to
understand
character,
my
children
will
tell
you
that
they
cringe
that.
V
I
ask
that
our
walks
include
trips
down
alleys
to
photograph
the
different
garage
types,
the
history
of
the
house.
This
house
was
constructed
in
the
earth
early
1890s
by
a
builder
of
many
homes,
of
maple
avenue
and
three
adjacent
to
this
site.
This
history
has
been
helpful
in
understanding
our
home
and
the
neighboring
structures.
There's
an
interesting
history
in
that
for
our
home,
the
lot
immediately
south
and
to
north
were
owned
by
the
owner
of
this
property.
V
So
we
we
understand,
the
original
owner
ran
his
business
out
of
the
house
and
retained
two
accessory
structures
at
the
rear
of
the
adjoining
lots.
Review
at
the
history
center
suggests
that
these
were
carpentry
and
barn,
as
I
mentioned,
this
is,
does
play
into
our
approach
so
hold
on
to
that
thought.
It
was
only
in
the
mid
20th
century
that
a
portion
was
sold
back
to
120
or
1223
oak
to
construct
the
single-story
garage
with
a
low
hip-shaped
roof
explaining
the
mid-century
proportions
and
materials.
V
This
evening
I
am
seeking
approval
for
one
story:
side,
entry
edition,
the
demolition
of
a
one-story
garage
and
the
construction
of
a
two-story
garage
to
replace
I'll
highlight
for
you.
The
top
drawing
is
existing
conditions.
You
can
see
to
the
right
the
the
square
that
represents
the
single
story,
hip
garage,
I
think,
built
circa
1969.
V
Oak
avenues
to
the
left,
and
so
we
are
proposing
an
addition
which
is
north
of
the
main
house
use
as
a
right
or
and
with
no
application
for
zoning
minor,
otherwise
same
for
the
the
new
two-story
garage
to
the
east
end
of
the
of
the
lot
so
kate.
If
you
could
move
us
to
slide
a3,
those
are
floor
plans
of
the
entry,
but
this
one
might
be
helpful
to
articulate
the
addition.
V
Let
me
say
that
we
are
fortunate
to
have
the
responsibility
of
stewards
as
stewards
of
this
home,
to
which
to
our
knowledge,
has
only
had
five
previous
owners.
The
home
retains
many
of
the
original
fixtures
and
features
including
wood
double
hung
windows
in
good
working
order,
though
with
aluminum
triple
track,
storms
and
and
the
interior
hardware
is
very
much
intact.
V
Door,
hinges,
etc,
including
the
skeleton
keyed
lock
set
at
the
formal
front
entry.
For
that
reason
and
the
location
of
the
garage,
the
rear
side,
entry
is
really
our
day-to-day
point
of
entry.
Unfortunately,
the
door
opens
to
a
very
modest
three
by
six
stair
landing
with
flights
down
to
basement
and
up
the
kitchen.
V
V
V
their
their
sun
porches
very
low,
if
not
flat,
roof
on
that
one,
and
to
the
right,
I
think
done:
circa
90s
1990s,
which
has
a
skylight
and
and
modestly
hipped
roof.
It
is
done
in
a
very
contextually,
appropriate
manner,
stucco
at
the
bottom
and
shingle
siding
for
the
top
half
to
match.
V
So
the
approach
here
for
the
the
new
entry
is
to
hue
closely
to
historic
context,
with
architectural
cues,
taken
directly
from
the
existing
residents
and
dealing
of
trim,
e's
material
transitions
finishes
and
color
selection
to
follow
the
patterns
found
on
the
historic
home.
V
I
would
start
by
sharing
the
the
motivation
for
the
garage
based
on
the
low
sloped,
hip,
roof
and
large
format,
horizontal
hardboard
siding,
as
I
noted
before,
I
believe,
the
current
garage
to
be
mid-century
construction,
which
is,
and
this
structure
is
outlived
it's
an
original
purpose.
It
has
a
cracked
slab,
it's
constructed
slab
on
grade.
There
is
a
seven
foot
overhead
garage
door.
It
is
insufficient
space
to
hold
our
cars,
bikes
and
gardening
tools.
V
More
importantly,
the
slab
is
cracked
moisture
seeps
in
top
of
the
concrete
is
not
set
appropriate
relative
to
the
adjacent
grade.
The
gems
are
warped
to
the
roofing
being
beyond
useful
life,
so
our
approach
in
thinking
about
a
replacement
has
been
to
honor
the
historic
characteristics
and
precedents
that
formed
the
historic
character
of
this
particular
space.
V
With
that
I'd
like
to
highlight
the
history
of
the
accessory
structures
on
this
alley,
and
if
I
can
approach,
I
realized
in
looking
at
what
we
put
together
and
submitting
to
uk
that
there
was
some
additional
context
that
might
be
helpful.
V
My
understanding
is
that
that
was
a
barn,
and
so
let
me
note
that
the
homes
on
maple
are
to
the
east
of
us
lengthy
discussion
this
evening
about
those
our
grander
inflected,
the
class
of
their
owners,
and
that
garages
were
often
ancillary
expressions
of
the
main
house.
Mr
tickson's
home
is
a
great
example.
We
bet
up
to
each
other.
He
has
a
grand
victorian.
His
garage
is
dressed
as
grand
I'm
sure
it
housed
delivery.
At
one
point.
V
V
N
So
I
I
kind
of
like
the
garage
as
a
barn
but-
and
I
saw
the
package
and
there's
actually
something
with
board
and
matin,
siding
down
down
the
block
that
looks
like
it
had
been
a
barn,
and
I'm
wondering
why,
given
the
material
palette
of
the
existing
house,
which
is
a
combination
of
shingles
and
stucco,
you
decided
to
do
this
as
board
and
batten
rather
than
utilizing
the
material
vocabulary
of
the
house.
V
Sure
great
question
and
happy
to
address,
so
I
think
to
that
type
of
approach.
That's
what
we
have
taken
for
the
entry
and
that
that
should
look
as
if
it
is
consistent
with
the
home
for
the
garage.
I
think
that
we're
looking
for
it
to
be
an
expression
of
it
is
an
ancillary,
very
functional
to
be
clear.
This
is
not
a
an
accessory
drilling
unit.
This
is
for
storage
of
vehicles
and
you
know
other
elements.
So
I
think
that
speaks
to
the.
V
O
V
So
you
may
be
more
familiar
with
that
as
it's
off
it's
like
a
double
walled,
so
it's
it
offers
two
benefits.
Three
major
benefits,
it's
translucent,
so
light
can
pass
through
it's
lightweight
and
has
some
good
insulating
properties,
but
it's
also
resistant
to
impact,
so
it
offers
some
security.
V
Now
we've
decided
to
put
the
windows
in
the
gable
at
the
top
there,
those
mimic
what
occurs
in
the
gable
end,
both
east
and
west,
of
the
main
house
and
down
here
lower,
which
actually
would
probably
not
be
readily
viewable
from
either
behind
privacy
fence
or
vegetation
is
where
we're
using
this.
Sometimes
a
trade
name
polygal
is
used.
I
have
a
sample
if
it
would
be
helpful
to
see
it.
N
It
would
be
nice
to
know
more
about
the
material
you
know
I
I'm
john
is
the
other
architect
of
the
family.
Do
you
know
what
that
stuff
actually
looks
like?
I
do
not.
L
V
Still
has
its
you
know,
shipping
stuff
on
it,
you'll
be
familiar
like
greenhouses,
are
often
built
out
of
this.
So
is
this
a
historically
precedented
material?
No,
but
I
think
the
issues
we're
looking
to
shape
and
trimming
of
this
material
to
be
what
we
get
our
consistency.
N
V
So,
on
the
the
ends
that
are
more
proximate
to
the
public
way,
which
is
you
know
out
of
view
in
some
ways
it
is,
it
offers
light
transparency,
it
has
insulating
properties,
but
it
is
impact
resistant.
So
as
opposed
to
having
some
glass
windows
that
someone
could
smash
and
gain
access,
it
is
more
impact
resistant.
N
V
We
did
weigh
that.
We
have.
You
know
openings
on
of
four
sides
to
that
very
small
footprint.
We
have
openings,
one
of
which
we
intend
to
reuse
the
existing
panel
door
and,
frankly,
our
our
neighbor's
view,
angle
from
their
dining
room,
will
be
looking
at
the
eastward
door.
Opening
yeah.
F
M
I'm
moved
that
we
approve
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1223
oak
avenue
in
the
rich
historic
district,
22
prez082
to
construct
a
single-story
entry
edition
of
the
north
elevation
of
the
residence
to
demolish
the
existing
garage
and
construct
a
new
two-car
frame
garage
with
ground
floor
workshop
and
storage
area.
The
applicable
standards
are
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration:
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
eight
and
ten
through
sixteen.
D
A
Last
case
2241
sherman
avenue
in
the
northeast
historic
district,
an
application
to
demolish
an
existing
rear,
sunroom
and
wood
deck
and
construct
a
new
two-story
addition
with
screen
porch
and
wood
deck.
W
Hi
everyone,
my
name
is
thomas
allman,
I'm
the
owner
of
studio,
towel
architecture
and
I'm
representing
jackie
and
jim
mcguire
in
in
this
addition
to
their
project
in
the
historic
district.
W
I
guess
the
as
you
can
see,
there's
a
sort
of
a
front
entry
porch
at
the
north
end
and
at
the
at
the
rear.
There's
an
existing
porch
of
about
the
same
size
go
to
the
next.
W
W
On
the
second
floor,
where
there's
sort
of
three
three
bedrooms
and,
like
I
said,
expand
the
the
first
floor,
which
doesn't
lend
itself
well
to
having
having
people
over
and
and
also
include
a
mudroom
and
a
screen
porch,
which
you
see
there.
W
So
the
the
the
biggest
challenge
so
so
jim's
my
landlord
and
I
had
to
get
this
right
and
the
challenge
was
that
there's
already
a
dormer
on
the
back.
If
you
look
at
the
propose
the
the
existing
and
proposed
east
elevation,
that's
the
front
the
side.
W
You
can
see
the
the
brick
there
was
a
dormer
and
that
is
finished
space
up
there
and
we
the
charge,
was
to
incorporate
that
the
addition
of
the
first
floor,
the
the
ensuite
on
the
second
floor,
while
keeping
that
bathroom,
which
lies
behind
the
dormer
as
intact
as
possible.
So
that
really
drove
the
studies
of
the
the
roof
shape
and
we
felt
like
the
the
gable.
W
W
W
So
that's
the
existing
north
elevation,
and
so
you
can
see
the
the
fenestration
is
a
bit
all
over
the
map
on
the
original
north
elevation
and
we've
tried
to
bring
some
order
with
with
the
window
locations
on
the
edition
the
size
and
types
of
the
windows
fit
with
with
what
the
house
already
has,
and
so
we've
continued
that
base
of
brick
around
to
the
rear,
so
you're,
looking
at
the
rear
on
the
right
and
then
if
we
can
save
the
brick
we'd
love
to.
W
Jim
and
jackie
builds
a
garage
with
a
coach
house
and
the
coach
house.
If,
if
you
look
at
the
site
plan,
has
it's
there's
access
from
the
alley,
but
there's
also
a
curb
cut
and
there's
access
from
the
front,
and
so
the
the
garage
doors
facing
the
street
allow
them
to
keep
the
the
drive
and
it's
a
really
convenient.
What
we
were
striving
for
was
a
really
convenient
mud,
room,
kind
of
side,
rear
access
and
that's
what
the
what
the
mudroom
provides
there.
W
So
there
you
can
see
the
the
view
kind
of
past
the
the
relatively
new
coach
house
in
the
middle
at
the
bottom,
and
that
will
face
the
the
addition
at
the
back
and
you
can
see
the
the
original
the
front
of
the
house
there.
So
the
brick.
So
the
addition
is
stucco.
W
The
windows
are
marvin,
signature,
aluminum,
clad,
wood
windows
and
the
roof
will
be
shingle
asphalt,
shingle
to
match
the
color
of
the
existing
roof
and
the
band
of
brick
kind
of
ties,
the
the
new
and
all
together
at
least.
We
hope
so.
B
W
So
the
south
sure
so
going
from
left
right,
there's
the
that's
the
front
door
that
you're
looking
at
that
faces,
the
the
drive
down
the
the
length
of
the
lot
and
the
addition
you
can
see
the
stucco
is
slightly
different,
so
that
has
the
the
kind
of
the
program
going
on
behind.
There
is
different
than
the
program
going
on
to
the
left
so
to
the
left.
There
are
bedrooms
and
then
the
the
windows
next
to
the
fireplace
to
the
right.
W
In
the
addition,
these
are
the
windows
in
the
kitchen
and
then
in
the
in
the
bathroom
above,
where
privacy
wouldn't
need
a
large
double
hung
window
and
then
the
at
the
entry,
the
clear
story
or
excuse
me.
The
transom
echoes
the
transom
at
the
front
door
and
the
double-hung
windows
there
we're
getting
light
into
the
mudroom.
Is
you
know?
Privacy
is
not
as
much
of
a
concern
there.
That
fits
with
the
with
the
rest
of
the
double
home
windows
in
the
home,
yeah.
N
The
the
arming
windows
that
kade
mentioned
do
seem
out
of
keeping
with
the
kind
of
both
the
composition
and
the
type
of
fenestration
and
the
rest
of
the
house,
and
I
have
a
question
that
the
two
lower
horizontal
ones
in
and
thank
you
for,
including
the
plan
they're
on
either
side
of
the
kitchen
hood.
And
I
am
not
sure.
Given
the
level
change
in
the
stairs
going
up,
are
those
two
horizontal
awning
windows
underneath
the
upper
cabinets
or
are
they
above
the
upper
cabinets.
W
N
Into
that
and
and
the
other
awning
window
is
actually
in
the
shower,
and
I'm
wondering
what
the
it
could
you
use
a
square
window
like
the
ones
that
are
shown
in
the
old
part
of
the
facade
or
would
that
lower
the
level
of
the
sill
below
chin
level?
For
somebody
showering.
W
I
think
we
there's
no
reason
other
than
this
was
their
preference,
that
it
couldn't
be
a
square
window.
I
think,
because
we
knew
we
had
wider
flatter
shorter
windows
below
adding
another
window
would
just
maybe
seem
a
bit
out
of
place
and
the
higher
sill
kind
of
works
for
privacy.
The
wider
with.
N
A
little
bit
more
light,
it's
in
the
shower
and
windows
in
the
shower.
You
need
a
splash
panel
and
they're
problematical
in
terms
of
condensation.
Did
you
in
terms
of
lighting
the
space
did?
Did
you
look
at
the
possibility
of
putting
a
vertical
double
hung
between
the
two
spreading
sinks
and
putting
it
sitting
on
the
counter
and
going
up
to
the
ceiling
as
a
way
to
light
that
space,
because
I
am
assuming
you
have
glass
doors
into
the
shower.
W
Yeah
glass
towards
the
shower
and
as
you
can
see,
the
the
skylight
that
you're
looking
at
above
the
above
the
bathroom,
there
is
centered
on
the
on.
W
Right,
yeah,
and
just
with
with
mirror
and
and
lighting
at
the
above,
the
vanity
just
windows
just
didn't
seem
to
you
know
a
bit
forced.
I.
N
Mean
I
think
it's
a
very
nice
addition
and
it's
nicely
done
like
kade.
I
guess
the
only
question
I
have
is
that
that
you
know
the
the
horizontal
awning
windows
really
seem
like
you
know
in
terms
in
terms
of
this
style
and
proportion
and
organization
of
all
the
openings
in
the
rest
of
the
house.
They
seem
a
little
bit
from
left
field,
but.
W
They
they
are
different.
It's
true,
I
think
two
things
one
the
the
kind
of
the
the
irregularity
of
fenestration
on
the
house.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
good
to
look
at
the
north
elevation
before
you
look
at
this.
W
I
think
that
kind
of
sets
the
bar
for
side
elevation,
fenestration
and
basically,
what
the
house
is
saying
we're
going
to
put
windows
where
it
makes
sense
for
the
interior
on
the
sides
and
we're
going
to
make
them
symmetrical
and
kind
of
you
know,
put
on
their
sunday
best
when
we're
facing
the
street
and
so
the
21st
century
version
of
that
is
we're
face.
W
We've
got
a
kitchen
cabinetry
on
the
south
wall,
but
we'd
love
to
get
some
light
in,
so
it's
very
functional
to
have
wide
windows
that
are
up
a
little
bit
higher.
So
it
doesn't
look
like
anything
other
than
the
sense
that
the
north
wall
doesn't
really
look
like
anything
else
in
the
house
either.
N
W
Existing
windows
yeah,
so
so
there
there
is
that
and
so
we're
it
made,
makes
sense
with
the
with
the
design
to
make
that
a
double
hung.
Now.
D
F
F
F
I
don't
know,
I
think
that
it's
unusual
to
see
such
a
almost
the
same
area,
doubling
the
size
of
the
house
and
I'm
not
suggesting
this
battle
wrong.
I'm
just
because
you
know
we
acting
on
reacting
to
your
proposal
and
it
might
be
that
it's
appropriate
in
the
context
of
things,
but
in
other
circumstances,
may
not
be.
W
So
I
guess
there
are
two
architects
up
there
for
those
of
you
that
aren't
architects.
W
We
don't
necessarily
write,
write
the
design
brief
that
usually
comes
fairly
fully
baked
to
us
in
the
form
of
we'd
like
a
kitchen
and
a
dining
room
and
a
living
room
where
we
can
entertain
when
our
kids
and
their
kids
come
and
we'd
like
a
an
ensuite.
That's
a
little
bit
nicer,
so
those
that
that's
what
we
were
handed
and
I
felt
like
the
simplicity
of
the
the
gable
roof.
That's
with
the
ridge
parallel
to
the
street.
W
Solving
the
problem
of
the
dormers
at
the
back
that
a
simple
gable
would
would
be
the
most
compatible
roof
form
and
the
you
know
the
spaced
out
double
hung
windows.
I
you're
right.
The
original
house
is
extremely
small
for
the
street
that
it
sounds
there's
some
very
large
houses
on
sherman.
So
I
don't.
I
personally
I
mean
I'll
I'll
defer
to
my
clients
on
how
big
they
need
their
house
to
be.
W
F
I
think
some
of
this
is
the
reaction
that
you
may
get
from
the
neighbors.
I
don't
think,
there's
comments
on
this
no,
and
I
can
assure
you
that
some
other
circumstances
and
location-
probably
you
have
more
comments
that
you
will
imagine.
So
I
just
want
to
address
that
sure.
The
commission
is
actually
reviewing
a
project
for
its
own
merits
and
the
contextual
power
of
it
is
addressed
properly.
Sure,
okay,.
O
Yeah,
I
would
just
add,
you
know
that
block
has
several
historic,
rooming
houses
that
are
large.
Like
you
said
so
I
mean
I
guess
that
addition
I
mean.
While
it
is
a
large
edition,
it
is
with
the
s
that
size
is
already
present
on
the
block.
So
I
think
it's
you
know
it's
compatible.
That
way.
You
know,
I
mean
in
the
sense
yeah.
W
N
N
You
know
my
only
reservations
are
the
awning
windows
on
the
south
side.
Otherwise
I
personally
think
that
it's
very
handsomely
and
skillfully
done.
E
One
more
question
for
the
height
of
the
edition
and
that
gable
that
comes
out.
Can
you
explain?
I
was
just
looking
at
the
attic
plan
and
I
was
just
trying
to
see
why
you
needed
to
match
the
height
of
the
new
gable
to
the
existing
height
of
the
roof.
You
know,
maybe
it
could
have
been
slightly
lower
or
whatever
just
to
help
that
scale
a
little
bit.
E
W
So
sure
I'll
address
the
first
part
of
your
question,
which
is
why
the
gable
roof
is
so
high.
So
if
you
go
to
the
existing
rear
elevation,
the
existing
east
elevation
right
by
it
there
you
go
so
there's
a
dormer
on
the
left.
You
see
the
dormer
okay,
that
dormer
is
finished
space.
W
There's
the
attic
was
finished,
there's
a
bathroom
behind
there
and
some
people
that
live
in
the
house
didn't
want
to
lose
that
because
it
was
done
not
that
long
ago.
So
part
part
of
the
like
the
first.
If
you
had
to
solve
the
roof
and
the
only
way
to
leave
we,
you
know
we
did
several
crosstalk
section
studies
to
show
that
we
could
still
use
the
shower,
still
use
the
bathroom
that
they
created
by
getting
as
high
as
we
could
and
still
respecting
the
existing
roofline.
N
So
it
looks
like
you're
matching
the
the
pitch
on
that
back
gable
and
additionally,
you're
making
a
rather
spectacular
double
height
master
bedroom,
utilizing
that
space
so.
W
W
N
J
O
N
U
For
case
or
for
yeah
case
22,
press
0079,
the
property
at
2241,
sherman
avenue
in
the
northeast
historic
district,
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
an
existing
rear,
sunroom
and
wood
deck
and
construct
a
new
two-story
frame
edition
with
screen
porch
and
wood
deck
applicable
standards,
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration,
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
five,
seven,
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
A
A
B
A
Seconds
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
any
abstentions:
okay,
jamie
704,
jamie,
okay.
Okay,
do
you
want
to
give
an
update
on
the
downtown
heritage
research
survey.
B
Yeah
the
only
update
I'll
give
is
that
we
were
asked
to
take
more
of
kind
of
a
manageable
bite
out
of
our
previous
discussion,
and
the
way
that
that
was
suggested
was
to
have
a
four-phased
approach.
The
first
phase
being
evaluation
of
the
built
resources
in
the
downtown,
particularly
evaluation
of
that
supplemental
list
of
potentially
eligible
or
significant
or
contributing
buildings
that
was
put
together,
is
about
30
on
that
list.
B
I
think,
then,
if
we're
agreeable
to
that,
it's
more
determining
the
process.
If
it's
something
that
we'd
like
to
do
as
a
full
group
that
just
means
we'd
have
to
provide
public
notice
and
give
a
location
that
you
know
the
tour
would
start
and
then
provide
a
map
of
kind
of
our
general
direction.
That's
one
option:
we
could
split
up
into
groups
of
three
commissioners
that
could
be.
B
A
I
mean
I'd
be
for
splitting
into
groups
and
then
parsing
down
the
list.
If
everybody
is
okay
with
that,
that
way,
it's
more
manageable
for
people's
schedules
and
if
people
are
partial
to
a
certain
group
of
buildings,
and
so
why
don't
we
work
on
getting
some
dates
set
up
and
then
people
can
maybe
I'm
sure,
with
everybody
traveling
over
the
summer?
Why
don't
we
work
on
who's
working
together
on
dates
on
the
same
types
of
times,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
what
parts
of
the
list
that
they
would
like
to
as
a
team.
A
B
The
only
thing
worth
mentioning
is
that
I
did
get
the
final
draft
of
the
long
range
work
plan
to
that
subcommittee.
I'm
asking
them
to
prioritize
some
of
those
initiatives
and
add
a
timeline
that
they
may
be
implemented.
B
I
think
the
approach
for
that,
instead
of
I'd,
ask
them
to
do
that
independently,
but
I
think
it
may
make
more
sense
to
just
convene
as
a
group
and
kind
of
work
on
that
just
together
in
in
a
single
setting.
I
think
that
might
be
more
efficient.