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A
A
D
Okay
well
good
evening:
everyone
I'm
a
tom
gl
I've
been
with
living
evan
since
1999
20.
Three
years
now
we
used
to
live
in
northwest
events,
and
now
we
live
in
southeast
evanston
and
we're
doing
a
project
at
our
home.
It's
a
gorgeous
1893
or
four
home
right
on
ridge
in
dempster.
D
It's
wonderful,
130
year
old
charm,
with
a
lot
of
130
year
old
problems,
so
we're
doing
a
project
at
our
place.
It's
a
sort
of
multiple
phases.
Actually,
it's
we
have
a
deck,
that's
sort
of
all
beaten
down
a
bit.
We
need
to
replace
that.
We
also
have
water
that
comes
in
through
the
top
of
we
have
a
balcony
off
of
the
bedroom
and
we
have
some
water
whenever
it
rains
really
really
hard.
D
We
get
water
that
drips
into
the
kitchen,
so
we
need
to
replace
all
the
flat
boards
we're
getting
rid
of
a
window
and
our
door
access
on
the
second
floor
to
seal
it
all
off,
so
we
won't
have
any
leaks
in
the
kitchen
again
and
while
we're
doing
that,
we
figure,
let's
just
close
in
the
back
area.
It's
where
the
one
of
the
patios
is
we're
going
to
just
close
it
in
make
it
like
a
three
season.
D
Addition
in
the
back
of
the
house,
I'm
not
an
architect,
so
I
can't
go
into
specific
plans,
but
as
far
as
the
the
project
goes,
I
don't
think
we'll
be
intrusive
to
the
neighborhood
or
we
have
a
lot
of
ground
coverage
where
you
really
can't
even
see
our
driveway
from
where
you
are
on
our
back
porch.
So
it's
pretty
much
tucked
away.
It
won't
be
really,
you
know
not
an
eyesore,
but
even
a
impediment
for
the
neighborhood
or
the
immediate
neighbors
that
we.
E
B
D
Yeah
everything
our
architect,
omar
gutierrez,
can't
be
here.
He
had
a
family
vacation
plan
for
about
18
months,
so
he's
down
in
florida
with
his
family,
but
you
know
we're
replacing
it
everything's
by
code.
As
far
as
the
material,
I
think
we're
using
the
same
type
of
flats
that
we
have
on
the
outside
that
side.
D
D
We
think
some
of
the
water
could
be
kept
seeping
through
there
into
the
kitchen,
there's
also
a
door
right
to
the
left
of
that
window,
we're
taking
out
which
we're
gonna
close
that
off
as
well.
That
leads
to
our
master
bedroom
that
one
right
there
to
the.
D
Okay,
yeah,
it
should
be
a
door
that
goes
out
to
the
balcony
and
that's
where
I
think
a
lot
of
the
rain
piles
up
and
goes
either
from
the
door
or
the
bathroom
window,
or
it
could
be.
They
said
even
the
slots
on
the
house,
because
it's
been
pretty
old,
it
just
goes
through
it
on
a
real
heavy
rain.
So
we
have
right
above
right
below
that,
where
the
back
door
is
going
up
to
the
house.
That's
our
kitchen
area
and
we
have
a
lot
of
water
dripping
down
when
it
really
bores.
D
That
should
solve
the
problem,
which
we
hope
we'll
still
have
a
lower
deck
there,
that
we're
not
going
to
change
that.
That
will
keep
that,
but
the
upper
deck
will
just
close
it
off
make
it
a
three-way
all
the
windows
would
match
the
same
windows
as
we
have
on
the
house
and
all
that
it'll
be.
You
know,
unidentical
to
what
we
have
at
the
main
house.
B
In
the
the
transom
windows
here,
that's
existing,
I
think
it's
on
you
have
an
existing
like
four
season
room.
That
also
has
those.
D
Don't
know,
I
think
we're
gonna
match
yeah.
That's
right!
That's
the!
We
replaced
those
windows
recently
when
we
did
those
windows
we
had
original.
I
don't
know
original,
but
we
over
the
course
of
time.
We've
replaced
windows
in
the
house,
replace
those
in
the
kitchen
breakfast
nook
area
with
those
transom
windows,
we're
going
to
use
the
same
transom
windows
for
the
extension
all
around
it.
D
D
D
A
One
other
question
I
actually
had
was
and
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
comments
from
my
fellow
commissioners
on
this
item.
I
realize
that
the
addition
is
in
the
back
of
the
house
and
it's
not
really
visible
from
public
way
in
a
significant
way.
I
was
curious
if
you
thought
about
continuing
the
band
from
the
front
porch
around
to
kind
of
break
up
the
massing
of
the
parapet
wall.
There's
the
molding,
that's
on
the
front,
porch.
A
Opposed
to
doing
it,
the
way
that's
proposed,
because
I
realized
that
how
the
edition
looks
right
now,
but
it
was
just
something
that
kind
of
drew.
My
eye
was
the
masking
of
the
the
height
of
the
parapet
wall
and
how
it
aligned
with
with
the
front,
and
since
there
was
already
this
this,
like
kind
of
datum
on
the
front,
I
was
curious,
and
maybe
this
is
an
item
for
discussion.
But
if
there
are
any
questions
or
if
you
would
like
to
speak
to
what
you're
architecting,
you
thought
about
it.
D
A
Just
the
so
here
you
have
like
a
crown
molding
like
an
like
a
a
molding
piece
right.
That's
so
on
the
back
proposed
edition,
you're
doing
a
flat
parrot
pit
wall
that
just
has
the
siding
and
we
were.
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
was
a
way
to
bring
that
it's
almost
like
a
line
that
goes
around
the
home
and
I'm
not
again.
D
D
I
actually
haven't
thought
about
it,
but
I
can
check
with
it.
I
think
it
may
look
nicer.
Actually,
if
we
can
do
that.
F
A
H
So
I
I
I
do
have
some
questions
pertaining
to
that,
so
the
the
small
addition
that's
on
the
the
deck
now
are
you
keeping
that
small
portion
and
butting
up
against
it,
or
are
you
rebuilding
that
little
notch
there.
H
No,
the
the
you
should
the.
H
D
D
H
Okay,
so
I
think
that
that's
how
we
got
to
the
height
of
the
parapet
and
the
window
detailing,
etc.
So,
and
I
will
echo
your
your
comments
about
the
height
of
that
and
and
wanting
to
see
a
little
bit
different
treatment
in
terms
of
trim
or
an
eve
or
a
freeze,
board
or
cornice,
or
something
and-
and
you
do
have
a
great
example
of
it
on
the
front
of
the
house.
So
I'm
assuming
that
that
is
not
original.
That
piece
that
we're
looking
at
do
we
know
that.
H
D
H
G
H
Feel,
like
those
two
sets
of
windows,
are
kind
of
fighting
each
other
a
little
bit.
I
think
they're,
both
beautiful
in
their
own
right,
but
they're
and
historical
in
their
own
right,
but
but
right
up
against
each
other
without
a
little
bit
more
of
a
break
there.
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
should
stay.
That
way.
H
A
D
D
G
When
you
look
at
the
proposed
windows
and
the
width
of
the
proposed
windows
versus
to
the
ones
that
you
would
like
to
maintain,
which
is
to
the
do,
you
think,
would
be
any
problem
with
the
proportion
of
the
narrow
window
versus
the
white
wider
window.
H
H
I
think
I'll
leave
that
up
to
the
homeowner
and
the
and
the
architect
whether
or
not
they
want
to
you
would
effectively
have
to
reduce
the
number
of
windows
on
the
edition
in
order
to
make
them
all
a
little
bit
wider.
You
would
end
up
with
the
same
glass.
This
also
will
save
you,
money
there'll
be
less
window
units,
but
it
would
get
you
more
in
the
proportion
of
the
existing
windows
that
we're
trying
to
kind
of
resemble.
That's
a
good
point.
Carlos.
H
D
H
A
D
I
E
H
I
think
that
was
a
nice
choice
and
I
assume
that's
also
gonna
help
save
your
30
something
inch,
helm.
You've
got
over
there
in
the
corner.
There,
the
30
inch
what
30
something
inch
wide
elm
tree.
That's
right,
yeah.
D
D
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
I'm
not
personally
bothered
by
the
transom
windows
in
the
back,
because
it's
in
the
front
that
pattern
as
well,
because
there's
a
an
addition
off
the
front
too
on
one
of
these
pictures,
that's
shown,
so
it
has
those,
I
don't
know
the
full
ones
with
the
transom
next
to
it.
It's
kind
of
repeated
in
the
back,
but
I
did
just
want
to.
I
guess
echo
what
chair
reinhold
said
I
it
would.
E
A
I
Of
you
said,
I
mean
I,
I
was
really
struck
by
the
kind
of
large
plain
surface
above
the
windows
and
the
addition-
and
I
didn't
understand
why
it
was
there
because
it
seems
you
know
it
doesn't
have
any
either
the
band
or
the
moldings
or
anything
else
the
rest
of
the
house
does-
and
I
guess
I
understand
now
from
the
presentation
that
there
was
an
effort
made
to
match
the.
I
You
know
this
small
existing
edition
that
this
is
somewhat
you
know
an
expansion
of,
but
I
think
when
you
expand
it
to
a
much
larger
surface,
it
really
strikes
you
more
as
kind
of
a
big
blocky,
plain
area
and
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
looking
at
it.
I'm
not
sure
you
know
if
the
band
went
around,
you
know
whether.
I
Work
exactly
where
it
would
strike
the
addition
I
mean
it
looks
like
it
would
be.
If
you
just
ex
extended
the
band,
there
might
be
wall
still
above.
I
Might
not
work
but,
but
I
do
think
some
kind
of
you
know
molding
or
I
mean
you
say
gutter
at
the
roof
line
all
around
that
creates
the
protrusion
on
the
rest
of
the
house
at
the.
A
I
But
I
mean
the
appearance
of
the
you
know
the
I
think
the
gutter
above
it
still
is
a
you
know,
much
more
breaks
off
the
very
flat
surface,
and
it
just
I
mean
I
I
think
it
it
doesn't.
The
addition
won't
really
be
anywhere
equal
to
the
rest
of
the
housing
quality.
Without
you
know
some
effort
to
break
up
the
plane
surface.
B
And
I
think
that
relates
smart
to
standard
for
construction
for
rhythm
of
solids
devoids
in
the
facade.
J
D
J
So
then,
so
why
build
the
parapet
up
high.
J
Okay,
I.
B
H
J
Okay,
so
that's
what
I
was
thinking
once
the
door
goes,
then
sure
you
can
walk
out.
You
can
get
out
your
window,
but
you
know
it's
not
as
convenient
so
then
consider
taking
down
just
the
parapet
wall
just
that
part.
So
then
you
have
a
nice
sloped
roof.
You
have
a
nice
gutter
similar
to
the
front
again
like
I.
My
concern
is
just
the
scale
of
that
upper
part
of
the
wall.
Kind
of
looks
like
you.
D
J
Parapet,
which
is
that
top
at
the
top
of
the
wall
yeah
exactly
because,
if
it
again,
I
don't
know,
I
don't
want
to
get
too
into
design,
but
it's
just
a
concern
with
the
massing
there
with
the
scale
of
that
parapet
to
the
rest
of
the
edition
and
you're
right.
I
understand
matching
that
kind
of
that
nook-
that's
already
there,
but
that's
a
lot
less
work
than
building
all
that
parapet.
That's
going
to
be
new,
so.
H
A
I
think
it
might
be
possible
too,
for
as
a
commission,
if,
if
this
is
something
we
feel
comfortable
doing
is
if
the
drawings
get
modified,
to
have
that
deck,
that
decorative
facial
and
eve
come
back
with
a
simple
roof
to
be
administratively
reviewed.
If
that's,
if
I
mean
it's
going
to
take
them
a
little
bit
of
looking
into
it,
I'm
sure
that
you'll
want
to
talk
to
your
architect
about
it
to
make
sure
it
works
out,
but
either
that
or
the
possibility
of
bringing
that
trim
back
in
to
break
up
this
massing.
I
think
right.
A
D
A
Yeah
I
mean
it's
something
that
you
can
discuss
with
your
architect
to
find
out
if
there
were
reasons
behind
it
and
how
it
works
out
with
the
project.
But
what
I'd
like
to
propose
is
that
we
give
you
an
option
for
both
tonight
and
then,
depending
on
what
you
and
your
architect
decide
to
do.
You
can
work
with
kate
and
carlos
and
and
submit
it
if
everything
thinks
that
that
would
be
suitable
so
right
now
I
have
the
comments
being.
A
A
H
I
feel
strongly,
but
I
will
accept
if
I'm
in
the
minority
here,
I
will
say
that
I
I
understand
so
many
of
these
older
homes
that
we
look
at
have
lots
of
different
kinds
of
windows
and
we
don't
have
to
be
matchy-matchy
on
everything,
I'm
really.
Okay.
With
that,
I
would
be
I'm
perfectly
fine
with
those
transom
window
treatment
on
the
existing
edition.
F
I
mean
I
kind
of
agree
with
with
john
I
mean
I'm
looking
at
both
elevations,
like
you
know
the
rear
elevation
it
the
transom
configuration.
You
know,
ties
in
with
that
that
nook,
but
then,
if
you
look
at
the
other
elevation,
like
you
said
it
it,
you
know
because
of
its
placement,
it
does
tie
in.
So
I
don't,
I
don't
I'm
kind
of
torn,
I
don't
know
which
which
one,
but
I
I
think
I
think
I
would
lean
towards
the
single
unit,
a
single
window.
J
I
I'm
fine
with
providing
that
alternate
and
then,
if
I
was
a
homeowner,
I
would
price
them
both
out
and
help.
If
I
was
a
home
and
I
would
that
that
helped
guide
my
decision,
but
so
I'm
fine
with
having
that
as
an
option.
Everybody.
E
A
A
We'll
do
a
trim
piece
that
matches
the
existing
or
they
will
just
remove
the
parapet
in
theory.
So
is
someone
willing
to
make
a
motion
with
the
recommendations
for
either
the
parapet
goes
away
and
it
matches
the
roof
shape
and
the
trim
on
the
front
or
if
it
stays,
this
trim
still
obviously
comes
and
continues
through,
and
then
we
have
the
alternate
for
the
configuration
of
the
windows
to
change
to
a
single
hung
window
with
administrative
review.
F
H
So,
regarding
1247
ridge,
avenue,
ridge,
historic
district
case
22,
prez
0165,
I
move
that
we
conditionally.
H
Issue:
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
omar
gutierrez
architect
to
demolish
an
existing
wood
frame,
deck
and
stone
retaining
wall
at
the
home's,
rear
volume
and
construct
a
single
story
frame
edition
and
concrete
retaining
wall
in
the
same
footprint
applicable
standards;
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration:
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
five,
seven
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen
those
conditions.
Being
as
follows
that
we
would
like
a
administrative
staff
review
of
the
height
of
the
parapet.
Wall.
H
A
B
It
you
can
always
reach
out
to
me
to
tom,
you
can
call
me
and
we
can.
We
can
discuss-
and
I
don't
remember
when
omar's
back
in
town,
but
we
can
set
up
a
time.
B
Yes,
absolutely
I'll,
consolidate
that
and
kind
of
distill
it
and
get
it
to
you,
and
then
we
can
set
up
a
time
where
we
can
talk
with
with
omar.
E
B
That
won't
since
you're
in
for
permit
that
won't
impact
any
of
the
previous
reviews
that
are
happening,
so
you
should
be
on
the
same
general
track
for
for
issuance
of
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Okay,
I
did
not
receive
any
comments
from
anyone,
so
unless
anyone
has
any
revisions
now
we
could
take
a
motion
for
approval.
A
Is
there
a
second
I'll,
second,
that
sarah
seconds
all
in
favor,
aye
aye
any
opposed
any
abstentions?
Okay,
bethesda?
Okay,
if
we
want
to
move
on
to
discussion.
B
Okay,
I
think
I'll
do
these
a
little
out
of
order.
I
think
I'll
save
the
longer
discussion
item
for
last,
so
I'll
just
give
some
brief
staff
updates.
The
first
is
the
downtown
heritage
resource
survey.
We've
conducted
two
of
the
three
surveys
so
far.
The
last
is
scheduled
for
I
think
september
20th.
B
Next
steps
with
that
will
be
I'm
kind
of
distilling
that
information
into
more
polished
set
of
survey
forms
and
then
we'll
also
create
a
draft
survey
report
that
then,
will
bring
the
commission
to
review,
but,
but
really
it's
just.
This
is
more
of
a
resource,
some
kind
of
a
planning
tool
and
resource
for
future
planning
efforts
in
the
downtown.
B
So
I
don't
think
we'll
have
any
like.
Sometimes
survey
reports
have
a
set
of
recommendations.
I
don't
know
if
we'll
need
that
necessarily
so
we're
well
on
our
way.
I
think
that'll
probably
be
something
that
we'll
look
at
by
the
end
of
the
year
to
get
in
front
of
the
commission
and
then
the
second
of
three
that
we'll
look
at
is
a
legacy
business
pilot
program,
which
this
is
an
initiative.
That's
actually
in
the
long
range
work
plan
that
was
identified.
B
You
know
maybe
six
to
eight
months
ago,
and
it's
it's
something
that
we
started
work
on.
What
do
you
think
that
was
probably
two
months
ago
that
we
started
work
on
that?
So
we've
we
have
by
weekly
meetings,
susie
and
carl
are
on
that
subcommittee
and
then
there's
also
two
council
members
and
then
the
economic
development
manager
and
myself
and
today,
we've
we've
looked
at
eligibility
criteria
and
we've
looked
at
kind
of
a
purpose
and
goal
statement
for
the
program
and
now
we've
identified.
B
I
think
the
list
is
at
30
kind
of
pilot
candidates
that
we
looked
at
after
taking
an
inventory
of
businesses
in
evanston.
I
I
think
we
created
a
list
of
it's
got
to
be
somewhere
close
to
200,
300
businesses
and
in
their
age
of
incorporation,
and
it's
pretty
remarkable
the
amount
that
have
had
a
really
significant
amount
of
longevity.
In
evanston
I
mean
there's
some
on
there
that
are,
you,
know,
100
year
old
businesses,
which
are
pretty
neat
in
quite
a
few.
That
are,
you
know:
30
40,
50
years
old,.
C
Okay,
I
I
have
a
question
who
are
the
council
people
who
are
on
the
committee
with
susan
carl?
It's.
C
All
right
so,
first
and
third,
the
other
question
I
had
is
how
how
are
you
identifying
these
businesses?
Are
they.
B
So
so
the
initial
intent
when
we
identified
these
these
30,
the
intent
is
not
necessarily
to
like
register
these
as
legacy
businesses.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
kind
of
like
a
steering
committee
of
sorts
where
they
would
participate
in
these
working
group
meetings
to
kind
of
guide
our
our
process
and
give
us
feedback.
C
B
So
some
of
the
data
came
from,
I
think
the
economic
development
division
and
then
also
some
research
that
that
carl
did
on
his
own
and
then
we
actually
did,
I
think,
on
maybe
four
or
five
occasions
we
put
out
requests
for
information
in
the
city
newsletter,
the
economic
development
newsletter.
We
received
a
lot
of
responses
from
from
residents
that
identified
long-standing
businesses
that
they
thought
contributed
either
culturally
or
socially.
B
So
we
received
a
lot
that
way
and
yeah.
I
think
it's
somewhere
close
to
300
in
this
kind
of
inventory
that
we've
looked
at
and
then
we
tried
to
identify
within
this
30.
It's
not
just
the
30
oldest
it's.
We
tried
to
add
diversity
in
the
type
of
use,
the
type
of
business,
the
type
of
ownership
age,
to
try
to
really
get
a
diverse
collective
to
kind
of
steer.
This
process
for
us.
C
F
So
I
can
just
say
I
can
just
say
that
it
was
a
very,
very
quick
survey.
I
mean
there
wasn't
really
a
lot
of
you
know.
Research
done
to
I
mean
a
lot
of
it
was
just
from
you
know:
business
websites,
or
you
know
just
visiting
them
and
just
like
asking
you
know
like
I
know,
you've
been
around
for
a
long
time.
You
know
how
long
have
you
been
in
operation
and
the
intent
was
just
to
like
get
a
number
like.
F
You
know
how
many
we
have
in
the
city
and
that
was
kind
of
surprising
how
many
we
had
and
and
the
diversity
of
like
location
too.
It
wasn't
just
in
the
downtown.
You
know
it
was
all
over
in
the
fifth
ward,
the
first
word,
third
ward,
ever
almost
every
ward
had
a
long
long
time,
long-standing
business,
so.
C
Yeah,
I
think
the
fifth
ward
has
a
fair
number
of
these
older
businesses,
so
you
were
getting
some
response
from
them
or
getting
information
from
them.
A
And
I
think
it
is
the
intent
of
the
the
committee
to
make
it
very
inclusive
and
not
to
just
narrow
it
down
to
what
you
would
anticipate
so,
and
I
will
say,
as
far
as
the
preservation
involvement
in
this
legacy
business
pilot
program
other
than
the
fact
that
carl
and
I
have
been
involved
in
the
meetings,
the
the
preservation
aspect
and
the
eligibility
for
that
part
of
this
program
is
has
not
really
that
will
be
many
steps
after.
A
I
think
the
initial
push
is
to
really
just
get
the
pilot
program
out
there,
get
it
known,
get
a
website
known
and
and
and
help
involve
the
the
community
members
and
then
the
hope
is
to
eventually
build
on
that
and
then
kind
of
bring
it
into
like
some
incentive
programs
and
some
ideas
that
we
have
for
our
surveying
and
all
that
stuff.
So
I
think,
as
that
kind
of
gets
wrapped
in
it,
it
will
involve
the
commission
a
little
bit
more.
A
B
Yeah,
I
think
the
initial
kind
of
scope
and-
and
maybe
the
easy
part,
is
kind
of
a
celebratory
and
promotional
tool.
I
think
the
more
difficult
task
is
creating
kind
of
a
robust
incentive
framework.
What
that
looks
like-
and
I
think
that
that
is
probably
a
long
ways
off-
and
this
is
something
that
too
would
have
to
be
adopted
by
the
city
council.
So
it's.
I
think
this
is
very
early
in
its
infancy,
but
I
think
it
has
a
lot
of
potential.
J
Just
a
follow-up
question
are
all
of
the
businesses
that
were
identified.
Are
they
bricks
and
mortar
and
there,
and
if
not,
then
there
might
be
an
opportunity
to
identify
long-term
home-based
businesses
before
the
work
from
home
trend
became
necessary
because
the
pandemic.
But
you
know
just
a
lot
of
businesses
that
have
been
run
by
a
single
person
out
of
their
home.
B
Or
the
family
out
of
the
home,
I
think
the
initial
scope
that
we
looked
at
was
like
brick
and
mortar
businesses,
because
that
was
easier
for
us
to
kind
of
identify.
B
B
I
I
think
the
project-
the
idea,
I
think,
was
somewhat
born
out
of
conversations
with
commission
members
informal
conversations
over
the
last
year,
and
I
think
it's
something
that
the
economic
development
department
sees
as
a
way
to
revitalize
some
of
these
business
districts,
as
well
as
just
celebrate
and
promote
businesses
that
have
been
around
for
this
long
and
survived
any
number
of
recessions
and
calamities
and
rent
increases
and
development
pressures.
It's
pretty
remarkable
that
a
business
can
exist
for
for
10
years.
B
You
know
not
alone
50
60
100
years,
so
I
think
that's
how
it
first
came
to
be
it's
somehow.
You
know
this
is
tied
into
there's
a
separate
economic
development
program
called
the
evanston
thrives
initiative,
which
is
looking
at
how
the
nine
different
business
districts
in
evanston,
how
they
you
know
how
they're
still
thriving
and
what
resources
still
exist
and
what
they're
known
for
and
what
those
stories
are
and
that's
something
that
I
think
is
out
in
its
draft
forum.
B
Actually,
if
you
walk
around
town
there's
a
few
window
installations
in
vacant,
storefronts
about
evanston
thrives
about
these
different
business
districts.
So
I
think
those
those
things
are
pretty
interconnected
at
this
point,
I
do
think
right
now.
It's
primarily
seen
as
like
an
economic
development
tool,
preservation-based
economic
development,
but
I
think
that
it
will
have
a
significant
focus
on
promoting
and
preserving
cultural
identity
as
well,
and
it
is
pretty
remarkable
when
you
map
some
of
these
out
that
the
majority
of
the
locations
where
these
businesses
exist
are
the
smaller
older
business
districts.
B
It's
not
necessarily
the
downtown.
It's
primarily,
you
know
central
street
main
dempster
mile
portions
of
chicago
avenue
on
dodge
avenue,
and
I
think
part
of
that
is
just
the
lower
rent
structures
that
exist.
It
allows
these
businesses
to
to
really
just
kind
of
preserve,
so
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
further
incentivize
that
in
the
future.
E
B
I
think
so
there
there
will
be
separate,
there's
at
least
right
now
we're
looking
at
eligibility
criteria
generally
for
what
does
it
mean
to
be
registered
as
a
legacy
business?
Then
there
will
be
a
separate
incentive
framework
and
then
there
will
be
a
separate
set
of
qualifications.
We
would
need
to
meet
to
apply
for
those
incentives,
so
not
everyone,
that's
a
legacy.
B
Business
would
be
able
to
access
the
same
incentives
that
might
be
based
on
a
you
know,
demonstration
of
some
kind
of
threat
that
exists
for
that
business
versus
a
business,
that's
100
years
old,
but
is
very
prosperous
and
doing
very
well.
That
should
be
celebrated,
but
there
shouldn't
necessarily
be
the
same
access
to
incentives.
I
think.
B
Okay,
if
there's
no
further
questions
with
that,
I
know
the
the
document
which
we've
called
preserve
2040
the
2040
is
a
reference
to
the
kind
of
the
the
end
point
that
we
the
projection
of
the
plan
when
we
think
it
we're
hoping
that
these
initiatives
would
be
utilized.
B
The
document
itself
is
relatively
long,
so
I
kind
of
I
tried
to
boil
it
down
into
a
presentation
here
that
really
kind
of
hits
on
some
of
the
key
points
and
some
of
the
key
initiatives
that
were
identified
by
the
subcommittee
as
either
being
pressing
or
urgent
or
or
high
in
priority,
and
this
this
is
probably
you
know
I
I
said
six
to
eight
months.
B
I
think,
but
this
is
probably
something
that
was
somewhat
at
the
genesis
when
mark
was
chair,
and
I
first
started
with
the
commission,
and
this
is
something
we
kind
of
discussed
looking
at,
and
it's
it's
slowly
kind
of
evolved
into
this
document
that
I
think
is
exciting
to
to
bring
before
everybody,
and
then
I
also
did
bring
a
copy
if
we
can
pass
it
down
of
the
of
the
original
plan,
which
was
done
in
1980,
which
is
which
is
pretty
neat
most
of
those
goals
and
initiatives
have
really
been
realized
in
that
plan.
B
There's
a
few
outliers
like
a
district
designation
in
northwest
evanston
as
a
recommendation
that
was
never
realized
and
then
the
oakton
district,
not
being
a
local
district
is,
is
something
that
isn't
identified.
But
some
of
the
really
significant
initiatives
in
that
plan,
such
as
binding
design
review,
is
something
that
that
we
achieved
in
the
in
the
early
90s
designation
of
the
northeast
historic
district.
B
You
know
all
those
things
came
out
of
this,
this
plan,
which
is
a
significant
document,
but
I
I
think
it's
you
know
clear
that
you
know
I
think
I
wrote
in
there
that
also
in
the
1980s,
like
the
very
first
macintosh
computer
came
out
or
something
so
you
put
it
into
perspective
about
how
far
things
have
progressed
culturally,
as
well
as
in
the
profession
of
of
preservation.
I
think
it's
time
for
a
forward
thinking,
clear
path
to
the
future.
B
So
really,
the
purpose
and
utilization
of
the
plan,
the
document
it
should
be
the
commission's
principal
policy
document.
So
the
the
commission
is
given
charge
by
the
city
council
to
oversee
preservation,
the
city's
cultural
heritage,
and
then
the
preservation
commission
is
given
pretty
wide
breadth
in
how
they
achieve
that,
whether
it's
through
you
know
their
rules
of
circumstance
or
administrative
reviews
or
commission
reviews,
as
well
as
a
really
kind
of
a
litany
of
powers
and
duties.
B
I
think
there's
something
like
30
in
the
in
the
ordinance,
so
that's
primarily
would
have
oversight
by
the
preservation
commission
as
the
the
primary
body
that
oversees
preservation,
the
city's
cultural
heritage
and
then
because
you
know
everyone
up
here
on
on
the
diocese
other
than
carlos
and
myself,
were
you
know
your
volunteers,
so
this
would
be
principally
facilitated
through
the
city's
plenty
and
zoning
division
through
staff
planners,
but
also-
and
I
think
more
importantly-
it
would
be
supported
and
implemented
by
partner
organizations
and
volunteers.
B
The
previous
plan,
as
I
said,
was
developed
in
1980,
and
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
accountable
benchmarks
for
the
implementation
of
of
preservation.
Initiatives
advocate
for
adjusting
policy
when
needed
and
warranted
and
integrate
preservation,
planning
policies
and
strategies
into
other
city
decisions,
plans,
goals
and
and
priorities.
B
B
There's
an
overall
mission
statement,
a
series
of
vision,
statements,
some
value
statements,
which
are
really
core
beliefs
that
the
commission
has
for
the
stewardship
of
the
city's
architectural
and
cultural
heritage
resources
and
then
there's
a
set
of
specific
goals,
policies
and
initiatives,
and
these
are
organized
around
really
the
four
kind
of
legs
of
the
stool
of
any
successful
preservation
program.
These
are
survey
and
documentation.
That's
really
the
foundation
of
any
program,
understanding
what
exists
in
your
community.
B
What
its
significance
is
program,
administration
and
resource
management;
that's
really
how
the
program
functions
and
and
how
you
do
binding
design
review,
how
you
manage
these
resources
so
that
they
remain
vibrant
for
the
future
community.
Revitalization
is
really
looking
at
like
preservation-based
economic
development
tools
and
then
education
and
advocacy
is
how
do
you
promote
instill
kind
of
a
preservation
ethic
within
the
community?
What
is
the
value
of
preservation.
B
These
were
the
key
objectives
that
we
looked
at
when
we
started
the
planning
process.
We
wanted
to
propose
a
program
of
outreach,
education
and
advocacy
that
builds
community
awareness
and
stewardship,
determine
future
survey
and
documentation
priorities.
As
I
said
in
the
plan
in
the
1980s,
they
identified
number
future
of
surveying
documentation
priorities.
Nearly
all
of
those
have
been
realized
consider
additional
historic
and
cultural
contexts
and
their
associated
resources.
B
This
is
just
really
evidence
of
how
preservation
has
moved
forward
since
1980
as
you're
looking
at
different
groups
of
people
different
stories,
different
cultural
associations
of
buildings.
It's
not
just
about
architectural
resources,
assess
the
effectiveness
of
the
current
ordinance,
as
well
as
the
commission's
operations
and
the
viability
and
capacity
of
partner
organizations
to
implement
the
plan.
B
I
think
this
one's
really
important
to
align
the
preservation
program
with
the
city's
climate
action
plan,
affordable
housing
program
and
economic
development
goals
and
strategies.
I
think
you
know,
I
really
believe
in
the
power
of
preservation,
and
I
think
it
has
a
lot
to
contribute
in
all
of
these
areas
determine
the
barriers
to
implementing
the
program.
B
I
think
this
is
also
really
important
is
look
at
creating
a
robust
incentive
framework.
We
currently
don't
have
any
incentives
in
evanston.
I
think
that's
really
a
hindrance
to
the
success
of
the
program,
create
new
organizational
approaches
that
build
local
capacity
and
diverse
community
involvement,
instead
of
really
the
weight
of
all
of
this
being
on
on
the
commission
and
on
city
staff,
I
think
looking
at
ways
that
you
can
reactivate
and
activate
partner
organizations
to
to
help
in
that
work
is
very
important
and
then
create
an
action-oriented
work
plan.
B
B
The
mission
statement
generally
as
a
broad
statement,
is
just
to
enhance
the
quality
of
life
for
all
evanston
residents
and
visitors
through
the
ongoing
work
and
benefits
of
historic
preservation.
I
like
this,
photo
it's
in
context,
too,
of
what
we're
talking
about
the
legacy
business
program.
This
is
the
north
side
of
davis
street.
B
B
Everything
else
you
see
here
is
is
largely
either
a
vacant
lot
or
it's
a
bank
drive
through
in
this
photo.
B
B
The
vision
statement
is
it's
a
little
lengthy,
so
I
broke
it
up
into
a
few
paragraphs
here,
but
this
is
really
you're.
Looking
at.
Where
do
you
want
to
be
in
2040?
So,
let's
imagine
in
the
future
where
we
want
to
be
so.
Evanston
illinois
is
one
of
midwestern
america's
most
vibrant
places,
a
city
known
for
its
rich,
historic,
cultural,
architectural
and
environmental
legacy.
B
The
value
statements-
I
think
these
these
are
very
important.
There's
13
of
these.
These
are
really
the
core
beliefs
of
the
preservation
program
in
evanston.
So,
as
we
review
all
of
this,
I
think
it's
important
too
to
note
that
all
of
this
is
up
for
debate
and
discussion
and
revision,
and
we
can
take
as
long
as
we
want,
especially
considering
that
you
know.
Hopefully,
this
document
lives
on
long
into
the
future.
B
So
these
core
beliefs,
evanston's
cultural
and
architectural
resources,
are
tangible
links
to
its
current
and
past
identities.
Future
landmark
and
district
designations
keep
pace
with
evolving
preservation,
trends
and
aspirations
for
future
identities.
B
An
effective,
well-managed
and
well-staffed
preservation
program
facilitates
positive
community
outcomes,
a
commitment
to
equity
diversity
and
inclusion
within
municipal
preservation.
Programming
facilitates
positive
community
outcomes.
Preservation
promotes
evanston
as
a
residential
city
of
choice
in
the
chicago
region.
Preservation
contributes
to
vibrant
human
scaled
environments.
B
One
of
the
other
things
we
noted
in
the
vision
statement
is
the
addition
of
some
oversight
over
environmental
resources,
and
I
think
some
of
these
photos
are
interesting
and
you
look
at
the
tree
canopy.
Obviously
these
are
all
elm
trees
that
I'm
sure
were
impacted
by
dutch
elm
disease,
but
it
it's
a
significant
change
from
what's
existing
now.
B
These
first
set
of
goals
and
policies
relate
to
survey
and
documentation,
which
I
I
said,
was
really
kind
of
the
foundation
of
an
effective
preservation
program,
really
understanding
what
resources
exist
in
your
community.
So
the
goal
is
to
identify
and
preserve
resources,
significant
to
evanston's
identity,
heritage
and
vibrancy.
B
We
can
talk
about
that,
but
really
conservation,
district
planning
is
kind
of
referred
to
as
like
preservation
light.
Basically,
it's
a
community
driven
neighborhood
driven
preservation
plan,
so
you're,
basically
reaching
out
to
the
community
asking
them
what
resources
they
think
are
significant
and
asking
them
how
they
would
manage
them.
B
So
the
first
policy
is
to
maintain
an
up-to-date
preservation
ordinance,
which
mimics
nationwide
best
practices
and
trends.
I
think
we've
done
that
to
a
large
part.
I
think
our
ordinance
is
effective.
I
think
it
has
some
changes
that
could
occur
and
some
that
were
recommended
in
this
document
adopt
new
preservation
tools
and
also
incentives.
B
Support
amending
the
zoning
code
to
include
a
section
for
adaptive,
use
of
historic
properties
that
could
probably
more
generally
just
be
having
an
adaptive
use
code.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
specific
to
historic
properties,
but
it's
certainly
a
preservation
tool,
support
creation
of
a
legacy
business
program.
B
That's
somewhat
the
work
we're
doing
now
was
born
out
of
this
reinstate
facade
improvement,
incentives
for
historic
commercial
buildings,
establish
a
neighborhood
conservation
district
program,
benchmark
commission
accomplishments
and
performance
trends
in
an
annual
public
report
that
would
be
given
to
city
council
and
then
actively
recruit
future
commissioners
with
a
focus
on
building
a
membership.
Reflective
of,
of
instance,
diverse
demographics,
that's
kind
of
proven
to
be
a
difficult
task,
but
it's
it's
something
that
we
should
continue
to
do.
B
Goal
number
three
is:
this:
is
really
community
revitalization
based
encourage
adaptive,
use
and
rehabilitation
projects
which
spur
preservation-based
economic
development
and
retain
vibrant
and
contextual
built
fabric.
The
policies
here
are
to
support
planning
and
development
that
advance
preservation
and
community
revitalization
priorities,
coordinate
and
expand
heritage,
tourism
activities
and
programming.
B
There's
very
little
of
that
that
exists.
Currently,
I
don't
we'd
have
to
kind
of
gauge
the
appetite
for
it
and
that's
something
partner
organizations
would
would
probably
take
on
a
larger
role.
Certainly
the
the
history
center
probably
does
the
most
out
of
this
integrate
and
expand
preservation
priorities
which
align
with
climate
action
and
resilience
goals.
I
think
I
think
that's
very
important.
B
B
This
is
one
that
that
susie
emailed
me
about,
because
I
think
it's
somewhat
of
a
newer
topic,
but
essentially
what
you
would
look
at
is
instead
of
demolishing
a
building
and
throwing
all
those
materials
into
the
landfill
buildings
would
actually
be
deconstructed.
So
there's
there's
a
number
of
tools
there.
One
is
it
it's
economic
development
based
it's
workforce
development.
It
takes
more
people
to
deconstruct
a
building.
You
would
then
salvage
and
sort
the
materials,
and
then
you
would
sell
those
materials.
B
Utilize
incentives
for
historic
property
owners
for
salvaging
and
reusing
existing
materials,
that's
another
one
to
kind
of,
I
think,
to
try
to
offset
the
cost
because
it
is
more
expensive
to
do
that.
Support
retention
of
significant
landscape
features.
We
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
earlier
and
then
last
but
not
least,
because
I
think
this
is
really
again
kind
of
a
this
is
a
core
of
preservation.
B
This
is
something
I
think
they
had
through
the
80s
and
then
it's
kind
of
gone
away,
prepare
preservation,
training,
publications
and
one-on-one
orientation
for
elected
officials,
compile
and
publish
a
list
of
restoration
professionals
that
that
do
work
in
evanston
establish
a
brief
guest
lecture
series
for
monthly
commission
meetings.
This
is
a
model
that
oak
park
follows
they
invite
one
or
two
individuals
to
present
at
their
commission
meetings,
and
it's
done
at
the
start
of
the
meeting.
It's
like
10
to
15
minutes.
B
With
that
I'll
close
on
this
beautiful
photo
of
fountain
square,
you
can
see
city
hall
in
the
background
which
was
demolished
as
well
as
this.
This
lovely
department
store
which
was
removed
as
well.
It's
just
a
beautiful
photo
and
then
I
think
we'll
just
open
it
up
to
kind
of
broad
discussion
and
conversation.
As
I
said,
we
can
really
revise
this
as
long
as
we
want
add
to
it,
delete
aspects
of
it.
There's
portions
that
make
people
uncomfortable
or
something
we
can.
We
can
remove
those.
So
I
don't.
C
B
No
yeah,
I
don't!
I
don't
really
anticipate
that
we
would
vote
on
this
for
the
next
couple
of
meetings.
Probably,
I
think
I
think
it's
important
to
get
it
out
of
the
subcommittee
where
we
spent
you
know
quite
a
good
time,
really
kind
of
refining
it
so
opening
it
up
to
the
full
commission
as
well
as
just
making
it
a
public
document.
I
think,
is
really
important
too.
B
H
B
They
have
a,
they
have
a
really
lovely
set
of
like
procedural
guidelines,
which
this
would
yeah.
This
would
not
replace
any
of
them.
B
Yeah,
it's
kind
of
a
totally
different
different
animal.
Basically.
I
I
mean
the
most
impressive
being
to
have
a
preservation,
ordinance
passed.
That
would
actually
give
them
the
right
to
approve
building
permits,
and
I
mean
I,
I
think
that
the
more
theoretical
aspects
of
this
are
certainly
great,
and
you
know
this,
but
you
know,
but
I'm
wondering
what
other
you
know
just
more
concrete
and
immediate
goals
there
would
be
on
a
related
subject.
The.
I
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
talk
in
this
draft
about
incentives
and
other
things
so
that
we're
not
just
approving
or
disapproving
building
permits,
and
I
guess
it
I
mean
you
know
the
most
basic
problem
with.
What
we
do
is
you
know
is
our
power
is,
to
you
know,
kind
of
more
coercive.
It's
to
disapprove
construction
alterations,
demolition
in
you
know
what
is
about
15
percent
of
the
city,
maybe
at
the
most
and
you
know
so
the
the
hardest
question
is:
what
can
we
do?
I
I
I
think
alec
and
I
had
worked
on
the
african
american
historical
designations,
that
you
know
carlos
was
part
of
the
meetings
as
well
and
they
clearly
you
know
the
starting
point
was
no
ordinances
to
tell
us
what
to
do,
and
so,
I
think
that's
the
hardest
part
is
that
we
have
a
huge
number
of
historic
structures
in
evanston.
I
I
mean
you
know
all
the
subjects
of
our
downtown
survey
that
are
not
landmark,
they're,
not
protected,
that
we
would
like
some
to
find
some
way
of
protecting
in
some
fashion,
and
it's
probably
not
going
to
work
to
expand
that
you
know
to
create
new
historic
districts.
It's
probably
not
going
to
get
passed
and
then
you
know,
incentives
are
a
you
know
great
plan,
but
they're.
I
I
think
they're
limited
in
what
you
can
do
number
one
and
secondly,
things
like
tax
credits,
tax,
property
tax
freezes
tend
to
be
accessed
primarily
by
the
people
with
the
most
money.
It
takes
a
lot
of
kind
of
resources
and
know
how
to
do
those
things,
and
so
it's
incredibly
challenging
to
figure
out.
You
know
what
concrete
things
we
can
do
to
effectively
expand
our
reach.
I
I
mean
it's,
you
know,
my
guess
is
when
they
put
the
clause
in
the
1981
plan
about
changing
the
ordinance
that
they
actually
had
power,
that
that
was
probably
pretty
close
and
that
there
were
models
for
it
from
other
municipalities
and
they're-
probably
really
close
to
doing
it.
So
so
it
may
be
easier
to
make
that
concrete
goal
than
it
would
be
to
do
something
equivalent
now.
I
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
I
see
for
our
commission
and
in
our
city
when
we
look
at
the
preservation
program,
is
that
it
does
feel
like
the
weight
of
all
of
that
is
on
a
very
small
number
of
people
and
on
the
commission,
and
I
think
one
of
the
very
big
challenges
that
would
maybe
have
the
largest
benefit
is
creating
more
organizational
capacity
outside
of
this
formal
structure
that
you're
talking
about,
because
I
agree
that
this
this
just
resource
management
method.
B
I
don't
know
that,
like
you
said
I
don't,
I
don't
know
that
another
historic
district
will
get
nominated.
It's
like
a
different
environment,
but
that's
why,
for
example,
conservation
districts
are
more
popular.
It's
an
alternative
tool
that
has
very
you
know
similar
outcomes,
but
it's
less
less
restrictive.
I
think
it's
along
with
that.
There's
a
really
significant
educational
component
about
what
that
is
how
it's
implemented.
B
So
I
think
yeah,
that's
great
feedback
and
I
think
it's
a
significant
challenge.
I
think
that
some
of
the
things
that
are,
that
kind
of
rise
to
the
top
to
me
that
can
happen
quickly
and
impact
the
whole
city
or
like
an
adaptive,
use
code,
deconstruction
ordinances,
those
type
of
things
that
don't
necessarily
rest
with
the
commission,
ultimately
they're
things
that
the
commission
and
partner
organizations
can
support,
but
they're,
not
necessarily
crafting
it
on
their
own
they're,
not
managing
those
programs
afterward
but
yeah.
I
C
C
What
we
might
need
is
the
same
information,
but
turn
presented
presented
the
way
it
is
by
the
by
the
you
know,
yeah
here
in
the
implementation,
but
turned
but
sorted
by
the
highest
like,
in
other
words,
it's
it's
the
same
information
from
but
presented
in
two
different
ways
so
that
you
can
access
it
based
on
your
interest
in
the
goal
or
based
on
your
interest
in
as
mark
was
saying
like
what
do
we
do?
First?
What
is
the
most
important
thing?
C
What's
the
thing
we
can
do
within
one
or
two
years,
because
we
do
have
some
pretty
concrete
stuff,
I
thought
relatively
concrete
stuff
that
can
be
done
right
away
or
can
be
started
right
away,
but
you
have
to
sort
through
several
pages
worth
here.
I
don't
know
mark
if
that
would
help
you
to
to
address
your.
I
I
The
challenge
of
what
are
you
going
to
do
to
have
effective
conservation
in
85
percent
of
the
city?
That's
not
covered
by
the
ordinance
is
a
really
hard
one
and
clearly
there
are
pieces
in
the
report
that
speak
to
that.
I'm
just
not
sure
I
mean
you
know.
The
hard
part
is
the
reality.
Is
that
the
coercive
power
we
have
to
force
people
to
modif,
you
know
to
comply
with
the
ordinance
and
to
modify
plans
makes
a
huge
difference,
and
I
think
you
know
again,
things
like
incentives
are
are
good.
I
I
just
they're
going
to
be
really
hard
to
make
a
difference
with,
and
so
that's
I
mean
that's
just
a
hard
problem
that
I
mean
I
I
mean
kate.
You're,
probably
I
mean
you're
generally
familiar
with
ordinances
all
over
the
country.
I
B
I
think
what
you
see
primarily-
and
I
think
some
of
what
the
intention
here
is-
is
that
preservation
evolves
to
a
point
where
you're
you're,
preserving
resources
through
alternative
methods,
basically
so
not
through
the
strict
resource
management.
So
that's
some
of
the
goals
related
to
like
economic
development.
B
You
know
there's
ways
to
preserve
a
building
if
it's
not
a
landmark,
and
some
of
that
is
significant,
inappropriate
investment
in
existing
structures,
so
those
would
maybe
never
be
on
the
register
but
you're,
preserving
that
character,
giving
built
fabric
that
exists
in
in
different
ways,
and
maybe
that's
just
our
influence
on
economic
development
goals
that
exist
in
the
city.
B
So
I
think,
as
you
look
across
the
country,
they're
broadening
how
they
influence
other
divisions,
other
goals.
Other
aspects-
I
don't
think
you
see
alternative
models
for
really
like
the
top-down
resource
management
that
that
we
currently
have-
and
it
has
been-
you
know
extremely
effective
here
as
well.
I
mean
that's.
Another
thing,
I
think,
is
just
kind
of
telling
the
story
I
mean
the
story
of
preservation
in
evanston
is
really
significant
and
the
fact
that
we
have
close
to
850
registered
landmarks
as
a
city.
This
size
is
an
amazing
feat
that
happened.
B
So
I
think
it
is
about
building
local
capacity
outside
of
the
commission.
It's
about
looking
at
ways
to
influence
other
policy
makers,
and
I
think
that
that
work
is
maybe
a
little
it's
it's
more
difficult.
I
think
probably,
and
that's
part
of
the
challenge,
certainly.
E
I
just
had
a
couple
thoughts
on
it.
I
I
thought
that
was
great
kate
thanks
for
going
through
that,
but
the
things
just
a
couple
thoughts
and
again
I
need
to
go
deep
dive
in
this
a
little
bit
more.
So
maybe
some
of
this
is
included,
but
katie
mentioned
like
telling
the
story
of
preservation.
I
thought
that
was
a
really
good
point.
I
was
thinking
there
should
be
some
like.
E
I
don't
know
some
a
little
bit
of
marketing
done
like
around
like
what
this
organization
has
done
in
terms
of
like
some
of
those
before
after
photos,
maybe
or
what
would
happen
if
we
weren't
here,
like
you
showed
that
beautiful
picture
and
it's
gone
like
you
know,
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
really
sure
you
said,
there's
data
on
how
many,
since
the
you
know
how
many
things
have
been
saved
or
preserved,
or
you
know
it's
just
some
like
bullet
points.
E
Some
talking
points
on
like
all
the
positive
things
that
have
resulted
in
having
like
a
preservation
strategy
in
evanston,
so
people
get
outside
of
this.
The
coercive
point,
I
think
you
were
mentioning
where
you
just
say
yes
or
no
on
a
design
like
just
keep
in
mind.
I
came
from
a
kellogg
background
at
northwestern,
so
marketing
is
everything
like.
E
I
just
think
that
that's
more
could
be
done
around
sort
of
marketing
and
like
telling
the
story
like
you
were
saying
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
when
it
said
I
have
three
like
school-age
children.
It
mentions
education.
My
head
immediately
goes
to
kids
like
when
we
craft
that
story
with
pictures
like.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
go
into
like
district
65
schools
or
local
schools
and
like
get
kids
when
they're
young
and
be
like
look
at
you
know
evanston?
E
Is
this
crown
jewel
like
we
have
all
these
beautiful
resources
at
homes
and
buildings
and
legacy
businesses
like
kind
of
get
them
like
excited
about
it
like
at
a
young
age?
Like
I
don't
know,
if
that's
like
commissioners
going
in
or
like
people
from
the
historical,
not
society,
I
forget
what
they
call
it
here,
but
you
know
someone
this
history
center.
Thank
you
going
in
and
talking
at
the
schools.
E
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
field
trip
like
I
don't
know,
I
mean
the
other
thought
is
at
the
library
if
there's
programming
or
they
have
some
historic
pictures.
We
could
like
put
more
stuff,
I'm
not
really
sure,
but
like
that,
just
stood
out
to
me
as
like
an
opportunity.
We
would
have
sort
of
catching
them
when
they're
young
and
like
getting
an
interest,
and
maybe
that
would
also
help
with,
like
the
other
thing
that
really
pops
out
to
me
is
like
inclusion.
E
That's
obviously
something
I
think
that
there's
opportunities
for
diversifying
like
us,
or
also
bringing
in
those
points
of
views,
even
if
they're
not
sitting
at
this
table
with
some
of
this,
like
I
know
carlos
you
sent
out
that
you
know
potential
grant
ideas.
I
don't
know
if
maybe
like,
there's
an
opportunity
to
source
some
ideas
from
the
community,
like
maybe
through
the
different
awards
like
go
to
the
older
people
and
make
it.
E
I
don't
want
to
say
a
competition
but
ask
them
to
source
from
their
awards
like
reach
out
to
their
wards
and
say:
hey.
You
know,
people
in
my
ward
like
is
there
a
property?
You
think
would
fall
into
these
guidelines.
There's
money
on
the
table
we
can
apply,
for
I
mean
maybe
some
of
the
action
items
could
be
like
grant
writing
like.
E
Maybe
we
want
to
try
to
source
a
certain
like
dollar
amount
of
grants
every
year
or
five
years,
or
I'm
not
really
sure,
but
it
just
feels
like
there's
opportunities
for
some
of
these
things,
and
I
think
I
don't
know
that
was
kind
of
my
stream
of
thought.
I
don't
know
there
were
some
other.
I
have
notes
all
over
here,
but
those
are
just
my
initial
thoughts.
I
guess.
C
C
B
Yeah
there's
so
there's
two
separate
categories
here:
one
is
a
priority
level,
so
that's
low
medium,
high
pressing
and
then
there's
what
I
call
the
implementation
timeline
and
I
think
it's
like
zero
to
one
one,
two,
three
three
to
five:
five
to
ten,
ten
plus
or-
and
I
don't
remember
the
categories
exactly
now-
the
the
priority
level
doesn't
necessarily
associate
it
with
near-term
implementation.
B
You
could
have
something:
that's
a
really
high
priority,
but
you
think
realistically
it
might
not
be
implemented
for
10
years.
That
may
also
be
because
there's
initiatives
before
it
that
have
to
be
laying
the
groundwork
for
this
to
be
possible,
and
I
think
some
of
that
goes
back
to
what
commissioner
ziem
said.
I
think
one
of
the
most
important
things
and
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
is:
how
do
you
reach
out
to
the
community?
How
do
you
build
that
preservation
ethic?
B
How
do
you
increase
your
education
and
advocacy
components,
because
it
goes
then
to
mark's
point
if
you
don't
have
that
buy-in
that
general
buy-in,
that
understanding
of
why
these
things
are
important,
it
makes
everything
more
difficult
to
implement
and
that's
something
that
I
think
the
commission
did
really
well
in
the
70s
and
80s
be
partly
because
they
didn't
have
binding
design
review,
so
they
spent
a
lot
of
their
energy
on
on
other
aspects
of
preservation,
programming
and
and
because
of
the
sheer
number
of
resources
that
we
have
in
evanston
once
they
achieved
binding
design
review,
it
became
almost
all-encompassing.
B
That's
why
that's
what
took
their
time
and
energy?
So
you
see
a
lot
of
these
education
advocacy
efforts,
kind
of
go
by
the
wayside
at
the
same
time-
and
this
is
a
nationwide
trend,
preservation,
partner
organizations
and
non-profits
are
largely
inactive
across
the
country
in
most
places,
it's
very
difficult
to
bring
youth
into
preservation.
B
C
Then
I
I
wanted
to
just
remind
us:
I
guess
that
the
4.1
reinstate
a
court,
quarterly
preservation
and
design-oriented
newsletter
and
make
it
available
on
social
media
that
was
designated
as
a
pressing
concern
which
might
be
addressing
some
of
the
stuff
that
you
were
asking
about.
C
So
one
two
three
years
on
that,
and
there
were
a
few
others
under
the
education
and
advocacy
that
were
pretty
concrete
and
considered
to
be
relatively
important.
And
then
I
wanted
to
mention
that
inclusion
is
oops.
I
just
okay
inclusion.
We
talked
at
length
about
this
and
trying
to
find
as
many
opportunities
as
possible.
I
would
say
right,
carl
and
okay,
to
bring
this
in,
and
I
am
not
going
to
touch
on
all
of
them,
because
there
are
many,
but
I
did
want
to
just
note.
C
Okay,
where
is
this
now
2.12,
which
is
on
page
66
of
our
packet,
actively
recruit,
recruit
future
commissioners
with
a
focus
on
building
a
membership,
reflective
of
evanston's,
diverse
demographics.
That
was
considered
a
high
priority.
C
We
all
know
that
that
has
been
a
challenge
in
the
past,
but
we
made
it
a
party,
a
high
priority,
ongoing
and
hopefully
that's
speaking
to
something
that
you
mentioned
in
your
comments.
C
I
just
I
want
to
if
you're
interested
in
inclusion.
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
like
look
at
each
of
these
action
items
and
and
stuff,
because
there's
quite
a
bit
in
here
and
then
just
if
you,
if
there's
something
missing,
let
us
know.
B
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we've
already
done-
that's
in
here
is
pressing,
which
has
already
proved
very
fruitful,
is
carlos,
has
done
a
wonderful
job
kind
of
organizing
all
the
the
partner
organizations,
and
we
have
monthly
meetings
now
and
that
that's
something
that
I
don't
think
that
happened
previously
right.
Carlos.
G
No,
this
is
relatively
new.
I'm
trying
to
have
a
consortium
of
local
organizations
that
in
some
way
or
another,
have
to
do
with
historical
preservation,
culture
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
broaden
the
base
so
that
it's
not
just
a
preservation
commission
worry
about
these
issues
of
historic
preservation.
G
There
are
limitations
to
what
as
a
consortium
can
be
done.
But
at
this
point
my
strategy
is
to
support
each
other
from
the
events
that
they
sponsor
from.
You
know
the
mother's
day,
walking
tour
to
the
woodlar
house,
open
house,
and
also
we
could
piggyback
with
dino
robinson
with
the
markers,
and
we
will
try
to
continue
open
the
doors
for
other
organizations
like
design.
G
We
have
to
get
the
community
involved
and
we
can
support
their
goals
as
well.
So
you
know
just
the
beginning
of
this
and
I'm
hopeful
that
eventually,
for
instance,
we're
talking
about
the
design
awards
program
apparently
has
become
somewhat
unpopular
in
the
in
some
areas
or
in
some
individuals
and
events
known
because
it's
kind
of
perceived
to
be
not
inclusive,
not
equitable,
and
you
know
only
the
people
who
can
afford
preservation
projects
are
submitting
nominations.
G
E
G
To
together
the
program,
you
know
the
manpower
that
will
have
is
it.
I
don't
think
we
can
ask
these
organizations
to
do
something
that
don't
have
the
budget
to
do
or
the
stat
to
do,
but
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
partner
with
them
in
some
way,
so
we're
still
kind
of
figuring
it
out.
How
that's
going
to
happen.
C
I
was
just
going
to
say
for
the
record:
the
organize,
a
preservation
consortium
or
preservation
advisory
subcommittee
is
item
2.10
and
it
was
indicated
it's
not
it's
page
66
of
our
packet
28.
I
guess
right,
cape
of
the
thing
that
you've
posted-
and
it
was
indicated
as
pressing
and
ongoing
this-
that
carlos
is
doing.
G
G
I
attempted
to
reach
365-
I
don't
know
now
a
few
months
ago,
but
I
never
got
a
phone
call
back,
so
I
guess
time
to
call
them
again
and
see
if
they're
interested,
I
didn't
really
elaborate.
I
just
left
my
name
and
who
I
was
and
what
I
was
trying
to
do
briefly,
but
I
think
probably
was
about
time
for
about
the
time.
It
was
not
perfect,
but
we
can
see
because
you
had
to
integrate
either
the
curriculum,
what
they
have
or
have
like
a
a
program
where
families
show
the
children
for
extra
out.
G
But
if
we
focus
on
what's
most
pressing
that
we
it
can
be
achieved
without
necessarily
taxing
too
much
to
the
commission,
or,
I
think
might
be
another
way
to
look
at
it,
because
a
lot
of
these
things
that
we
talk
about
here
are
done
by
private,
not-for-profit
organizations
that
actually
benefit
from
this
directly
with
selling
tickets
or
tours,
or
something
like
that.
I
don't
think
we
are
in
the
business
of
doing
that
necessarily
so
we
had
to
kind
of
determine
you
know.
G
G
And
obviously,
kate
who's
experiencing
this.
So
my
comments
really
related
to
my
experience
with
the
commission
over
the
years
and
working
with
the
citizens
of
anderson
and
the
elected
officials,
we
need
to
be
very
strategic
how
we
move
forward,
but
being
a
long-term
plan.
It
doesn't
mean
that
shouldn't
be
part
of
it,
it's
just
where
we
put
it
and
when
and
how.
G
And
of
all
the
achievements,
the
commission
was
able
to
with
the
1980
plan.
E
G
You
know
we
have
a
historic
district
that
is
part
of
the
plan
that
in
many
ways,
if
you
look
at
that
district,
it
doesn't
really
need
our
help.
In
some
ways.
It's
a
beautiful
area,
nice
neighborhood
people
maintain
their
properties
really
well,
and
I
would
not
be
surprised
if
there's
a
district
there,
the
way
that
we
have
the
traditional
district,
where
we
actually
have
to
review
on
the
plans.
I
don't
think
necessarily
that
the
people
in
those
areas
would
be
in
favor
of
it.
G
G
My
experience,
working
with
the
clinician
in
most
part,
is
very,
we,
you
know
very
high.
What
do
you
call
it
high
level
satisfaction,
but
there's
also
a
level
of
frustration,
many
times
where
the
commission
or
our
staff
or
audience
is
misunderstood
or
misinterpreted
or
somehow
it
doesn't
fall
in
good
hands,
and
we
are
the
victims
of
that.
You
hear
mostly
on
the
press
when
the
commission
denies
something
and
is
being
appealed
to
the
city
council,
but
we
don't
hear
the
other
200
projects
that
the
commission
approved.
G
You
know
so
that's
kind
of
the
imbalance
that
we
have.
Unfortunately,
so
I
hear
I
see
in
this
program
ways
that
we
can
improve
that.
The
other
thing
that
we
had
to
change
is
you
know
what
qualifies
someone
to
become
a
commissioner.
So
currently
we
are
asking
people
to
have
either
architectural
background
or
planning
background
or
something
of
that
nature,
and
if
we're
going
to
reach
to
the
other.
G
A
bigger
umbrella
for
everybody
to
participate,
then
maybe
we
have
to
have
a
program
that
if
you're
interested-
but
you
don't
have
the
background-
maybe
you
have
to
train
people
to
become
commissioners,
not
just
the
person
who's,
an
architect
or
realtor
that
knows
about
buildings,
then
we
we
give
them
the
orientation.
I
think
that's
important,
but
if
we
want
to
reach
a
weather
audience
the
commissioners
and
immigrants
for
that
matter,
we
had
to
give
them
the
tools
to
become
commissioners.
F
I
don't
really
know
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
find
it
right
now,
but
I
do
think
that
part
of
the
the
goal
was
to
have
a
certification
pro
like
program.
F
I
I
guess
at
northwestern
or
oakton
community
college,
just
you
know
so
that
people
could
get
a
certificate
and-
and
there
was
also
an
aspect
in
kind
of
like
training
or
having
a
workshop
with
real
estate
agents
here
in
in
evanston,
so
that
educating
people
that
want
to
move
into
the
community,
like
you
know
the
if
they,
you
know
just
a
workshop
to
help
with
that.
I
know
you
already
have
a
breakfast
annually,
but
just
something
like
that.
F
F
G
C
There
is
the
4.5
support,
the
creation
of
a
network
of
current
landmark
owners,
and
a
welcome
program
for
new
homeowners
was
one
of
them,
but
there
were
a
few
others
under
there
as
well
that
I
recall
talking
about
the
the
work
that
I
have
done
in
the
past
with
realtors
at
some
point.
In
all
of
this
one
thing
kade,
you
know
we
talked
a
lot
about
when
we
were
talking
when
we
were
putting
this
together.
C
The
I
the
to
remind
ourselves
that
that
that
this
long-range
work
plan
is
not
like
what
we're
it's,
not
our
work.
It's
the
the
work,
the
like
bigger
work
of
preservation
in
the
city,
so
you
know
I
know
you
have
responsible
party
and
potential
partners
and
all
that
stuff.
You
know
every
on
every
page,
so
it's
there,
but
maybe
in
the
midst
of
all
of
the
other
things
there
might
be
some
way
to
like
bump
it
up
its
presence
a
little
bit.
C
So
it's
clear
that
we're
not
expecting
future
commissioners
to
take
on
all
this
work
right
that
this
is
a
a
vision.
The
other
thing
that
I
was
gonna
say
was
when
carlos
was
talking
about
I've
forgotten
exactly
I'm
sorry,
carlos.
What
what
you
were
saying
exactly
that
brought
me
to
think
about
this,
but
number
2.11
on
page
66
of
our
packet
page
28.,
benchmark,
commission,
accomplishments
and
performance
trends
in
an
annual
public
report
beth.
C
C
Part
of
that
is
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
just
the
transparency,
the
commitment
to
transparency,
and
that
I
think,
but
also
then
it
serves
as
a
kind
of
educational
document.
You
can
see
what
we've
done.
Everyone
can
see
what
we've
done,
and
so
it
oh
I
remember
now,
carlos
you
were
talking
about
that.
The
press
only
sees
the
things
that
we
don't
approve
and
what
about
all
the
200
projects
that
we
have
approved
and
those
would
be
in
this
and
then
it
would
be
something
that
would
be
marketed
or
shared
in
some
way.
C
So
right
am.
I
am
I
summarizing
this
correctly
carl,
but
that
was
that
was
part
of
the
dei
transparency
commitment
to
education.
All
of
that
stuff
that
particular
line
item
correct.
F
You
know
just
like,
so
that
it's
our
you
know
it's
already
been
a
part
of
the
process
of
drafting
it,
but
I
think
they
need
to
be
now
that
it's
a
public
document
included
publicly
and
you
know
in
that
process
just
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
start
laying
the
groundwork,
for
you
know
reaching
out
and
and
including
them.
You
see,
you
know,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
building
trust
and
you
know
building
relationship
with
with
those
with
everyone
in
the
city.
Just
to
so
that
this
can
be
successful.
F
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
too
carlos,
I
I
maybe
am
the
only
one
on
this
panel,
but
I'm
not
an
architect.
Nor
am
I
a
real
estate
agent.
So
I
think
that
work
is.
I
mean
I'm
starting
right
here
in
terms
of
like
expanding,
like
the
criteria
for
like
who
is
eligible
for
being
on
the.
J
Yeah
and
that's
even
part
of
the
transparency
as
well
as
maybe
even
just
documenting
what
kind
of
commissioners
we've
been
having
and
just
going
back
to
kind
of,
like
that,
the
idea
of
like
a
dashboard
that
we
would
have
on
our
website
about
our
cases
and
whatnot.
I
think
that's
just
a
there's
many
ways
to
use
that
data
and
just
one
of
them
is
to
identify
our
trends.
You
know
what
you
know
our
performance
trends,
what
is
what's
getting
through?
J
What's
not
getting
through,
that
can
help
people
figure
out
what
kind
of
windows
always
pass.
What
kind
don't
I
mean,
there's
just
many
different
ways
that
you
can
use
that,
but
then
also
it
can
take
a
look.
I
don't
know,
but
it
could
identify
some
biases
that
we
have
too
so
there's
all
sorts
of
ways
that
once
we
get
this
going
and
really
making
it
available,
we
can
you
can
draw
from
you
can
draw
from
it.
E
G
G
From
my
perspective,
it
really
I
keep
changing
my
mind
so
many
times,
because
once
I
get
to
a
point,
I
think
of
something
else
that
it
should
be
part
of
it
and
then
that
affects
whatever
I
work
for
so
I'm
trying
to
make
it
sort
of
a
document
that
is
friendly
to
the
user
and
also
instructive,
so
that
they
don't
feel
that
they
waste
their
time
reading
and
if
that
they
don't
have
to
read
the
whole
document
necessarily
to
to
to
get
to
the
point
of
section
about
windows,
a
segment
about
roofs
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
also
I
want
to
thank
okay
because
he
kind
of
gave
me
the
blueprint
initially
how
to
get
started
and
we're
working
on
it
and
very
soon
I'll.
G
You
know
get
back
to
the
original
group
that
was
asked
to
participate
with
their
comments
and
that's
what
I
got
from
them.
Every
time
we
we
met,
they
didn't
want
to
see
the
standards
they
felt
that
we
had
enough
of
that.
So
we
will
get
the
manual
done
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
that's
another
short-term
goal
that
I
think
is
part
of
the
the
master
plan.
C
If
you
there's
a
4.4,
which
is
page
33
of
the
work
plan,
draft
and
page
71
of
our
packet
prepare
a
preservation,
training
publication,
that's
what
you're
talking
about
effectively
yeah.
C
And
one-on-one
orientation
for
elected
officials,
which
is
something
that
we
talked
about
a
little
bit
I'd,
say
right:
kate,
like
that's
intentional,
that
those
two
things
go
together,
so
it's
a
training
manual
for
people
and
who
live
in
the
city,
who
are
the
property
owners
and
then
a
training
manual
for
the
elected
officials
to
help
to
to
bring
everybody
up
to
a
to
that
level.
We
identified
that
as
pressing
one
to
three
years.
G
Whether
or
not
they
have
historic
districts
or
landmarks
because
they
had
a
vote.
So
if
a
project
is
not
affecting
them
directly,
if
they
have
information
that
the
commission
could
in
part
to
them
after
the
election,
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
strategy
and
I
know
we
have
to
be
very,
very
diplomatic
about
this.
I'm
not
trying
to
impose
anything.
I
just
want
to
give
them
information
that
they
can
use
in
their
award.
J
B
B
I
think
what
I've
seen
sometimes
is
listing
which
initiatives
are
actionable
and
which
ones
are
more
like
a
conversation
that
you're
engaging
you're
starting
a
process
which
ones
are
actually
actionable
and
pressing.
I
think
that
might
be
helpful
and
then
maybe
a
different
way
to
organize
them,
just
by
which
ones
are
which
ones
are
pressing
just
list
all
those
out.
B
But
yes,
if
you
have
a
ton
of
comments,
just
send
them
to
me,
you
can
call
me
you
can
email
them
and
and
just
based
on
the
timeline.
It
might
be
something
that
we
don't
have
significant
revisions
by
october.
You
know
I
mean
this
might
be
something
where
we're
collecting
a
ton
of
feedback
ruminating
over
it
and
then
present
a
revised
draft
in
a
you
know,
two
months
or
something,
I
think
seems
realistic.