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A
I
will
call
to
order
the
tuesday
june
8
2021
meeting
of
the
evanston
preservation
commission,
the
and
declare
we
have
a
quorum
of
six
commissioners.
A
B
B
A
Commissioner
morris
hi,
commissioner
dreller.
B
A
Okay,
so
then
we'll
move
on
to
our
regular
matters
of
business.
We
have
one
application
for
certificate
of
appropriateness,
there's
old
business
and
three
that
are
new,
so
for
anyone
who's
new
to
this
procedure.
As
we
call
each
project
we'll
ask
someone
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
A
Please
feel
free
to
fully
present
your
materials.
You
can
direct
the
the
city
staff
who's
handling
the
zoom
presentation
to
scroll
through
to
any
page
you'd
like
so
you
can
show
your
materials.
We've
all
looked
at
your
materials,
but
you
know.
Certainly
it
often
it
does
help.
If
you
explain
them,
we'll
then
have
questions
from
commissioners.
A
Any
public
comment,
let's
say
limited
to
two
minutes
piece
and
then
any
last
discussion
and
a
roll
call
vote
as
you,
if
you're
speaking
on
behalf
of
an
applicant
or
you're
speaking
as
a
member
of
the
public.
Please
start
by
stating
for
the
record
who
you
are
so
that
it
appears
on
the
recording.
C
C
I
think
most
of
you
were
with
us
last
month
when
we
presented,
so
I
will
jump
ahead.
If
I
can
have
all
of
you
been
able
to
see
the
excuse
me,
the
new
rendering
that
we
put
together.
C
So
we
what
we
did
was
we
went
ahead
and
were
able
to
rework
the
planes
of
the
attic
roof
by
moving
the
balcony
on
the
third
floor,
and
hence
by
doing
that,
if
we
can,
we
were
able
to
have
the
north
side
elevation
that
you
can
see
on
the
on
the
front
on
the
left
of
the
front
elevation
that
gable
planes
through
to
the
back
of
the
house.
C
C
So
if
we
go
to
the
rendering
might
show
this
the
most,
because
the
question
that
came
up
was
just
how
the
actual
roof
lines
connected
and
that
rendering,
where
is
it,
the
you're.
C
It
was
it
was,
it
was
submitted.
D
C
And
I
believe
I
got
confirmation
that
it
was
shared
with
the
commissioners.
C
It
explains
it
more
if,
if
you
can't
find
it,
we
should
jump
to
the
roof
plan.
It's
a
little
straightforward,
more
straightforward.
D
C
So
yeah,
so
that
that's
what
the
the
rendering
that
we
put
together
would
show
that
the
flat
portion
of
the
roof
cannot
be
seen
from
either
the
north,
south,
east
or
west
elevation,
as
opposed
to
what
we.
What
was
looked
at
last
time,
where
the
flat
portion
of
the
roof
actually
penetrated
one
of
the
walls
of
the
elevation.
C
So
we've
got
a
clear
hipped
portion,
starting
at
the
south
east
corner
or
the
lower
right
corner,
going
up
to
just
one
square
area
that
is
flat
other
than
that
the
entire
roof
has
gables
and
hipped
roof
forms
reminiscent
of
the
architecture.
That's
there
and
modeling
shapes
that
make
good
sense,
and
I
thought
I'd
leave
it
there.
If
you
can
find
that
the
perspective,
rendering
that
was
very
helpful
and
we
went
to
extra
effort
to
do
another.
D
I
can't
do
it
at
this
time.
I
think
that
if
I
go
to
another
time
you
you,
I
don't
think
be
able
to
share
the
same
image,
and
I
apologize
for
that
because
we
normally
put
everything
that
is
sent
the
first
time.
So,
if
you
submit
it
later,
maybe
that
was
that's.
Why
it's
not
incorporated
into
the
packet,
but
if
kate
sent
it
to
the
commissioners,
can
commissioners
open
that
email
that
maybe
he
sent
it
to
you.
E
No,
it
was
not
in
the
packet
that
we
got
sent
us
either.
The.
F
C
D
I
move
to
a
new
tab.
Tell
me
if
you
still
see
the
presentation?
Okay,
I
just
don't
know
what
are
you
seeing
if
you
guys,
I
changed
a
new
tab.
Can
you
see
anything
on
the
screen
or
you
still
see
the
presentation.
D
H
Mark,
do
you
mind
if
I
ask
a
question
while
we're
waiting
for
carlos
okay,
so
I
just
have
one
question
about
the
east
elevation.
H
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
reasoning
behind
doing
the
julia
kind
of
balcony
railing
along
the
four
doors
that
is
at
the?
I
guess?
That's
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
first
first
floor
on
the
east
elevation.
C
Certainly,
the
that
would
be
the
lower.
Let's
call
it
east
southeast
area,
which
is
opens
up
to
the
kitchen
on
the
inside
and
those
because
of
the
architecture
of
the
existing
structure.
It's
up
above
grade
level,
but
the
idea
was
to
be
able
to
open
up
that
kitchen
as
much
as
possible
to
the
backyard.
C
So
what
we
tried
to
do
was
create
not
a
you
know,
not
a
full
balcony,
but
a
vision
that
you'd
have
a
railing
similar
to
the
front
of
the
house.
So
when
you
enter
the
house
from
the
front,
you
have
some
reminiscent
architecture
appearing
in
the
rear
elevation
and
it
also
broke
up
the
the
elevation
of
those
the
fenestration
of
the
glass.
C
That's
essentially
a
full
height
glass.
They
don't
open
those
aren't
doors
that
open
so
and
the
intention
is
not
to
have
a
balcony.
You
can
walk
out
there.
C
However,
I
suppose
saying
that
you
could
open
those
doors
if
they're
protected
from
a
railing
standpoint,
but
they've
always
been
when
you
know
just
fenestration
back
there,
and
that
was
the
intent
as
well
as
the
third
floor
on
that
elevation
picks
up
the
same
character
of
the
front
railing
and
we
felt
it
was
appropriate
to
sort
of
introduce
that
into
the
rear
elevation.
C
C
If,
if,
if
you'd
like,
if
they're
more
questions,
we
maybe
we
can
move
through
those
while
we're
trying
to
find
the
perspective,
the
I
mean
the
the
roof
plan
is
much
simpler,
as
I
think
you
can
probably
all
see,
and
I
believe
it
has
whether
we
see
the
perspective
or
not.
C
It's
addressed
the
concerns
of
what
I
took
as
a
clipped
gable,
look
to
a
straight
hipped
and
straight
gable:
roof
structure
that
came
up
to
an
area
that
was
flat
that
you
can't
see
from
the
street
or
from
any
of
the
side.
Elevations.
H
I
would
agree,
I
think
that
you
guys
have
done
a
really
good
job
at
improving
the
design
from
what
we
saw
last
time.
So
thank
you
for
putting
that
work
in
and
and
working
with
staff
on
that.
Thank
you.
I.
A
Carlos
did
you
find
the
rendering.
C
D
Before
you
go,
I
I
was
not
in
the
city's
website.
I
was
doing
it
from
my
own
google,
because
otherwise
I
don't
have
a
video
so
yeah.
I
need
to
go
back
to
the
meeting
through
my
regular
access,
so
I
just
hope
that
I
don't
get
interrupted
just
want
to.
Let
you
make
sure
that
you
understand
I'm
not
in
the
cds
website
to
get
to
the
meeting,
but
yeah
try
to
share
that
with
us.
D
D
C
D
I
I
G
Yes
is
share,
screen
green
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen.
I
G
D
Well
done
I'm
now,
I
don't
know
if
this.
C
A
A
A
I
C
D
D
Okay
right,
I'm
back
on
the
zoom
now
and
I
can
share
these,
but
I
cannot
share
that
3d
drawing
and
apologize
sincerely
about
that.
C
Well,
you
can,
you
can
see,
I
think,
from
the
picture
I
just
took
on
my
screen
yeah
what
we
were
able
to
do
and
I
believe
the
commit
you
know
comments.
I've
heard
so
far.
C
We
we've
essentially
reduced
the
attic
in
such
a
way
that
we
put
the
roof
form
first,
as
if
it
was
built
that
way,
as
opposed
to
the
existing
structure
built
over
time,
and
that
was,
as
I
say
in
in
conversations
and
help
from
the
last
meeting
where
we
decided
to
offer
more
shed
dormers
and
dormers
in
the
attic
space
versus
trying
to
create
a
larger
volume
in
the
attic.
D
D
J
A
Now
now,
yes,
okay,.
K
Our
large
speaking,
yeah,
just
or
who
arcade
whoever
I
logged
in
at
seven
o'clock
and
got
a
screen
that
said,
are
waiting.
The
host
will
admit
you
shortly.
D
D
Yeah
there
were
there's
a
number
of
right
now.
I
have
a
good
number
of
participants
right
now
who
are
joining
the
meeting
that
we're
coming.
H
I
actually
have
another
quick
question
for
you,
mr
armstrong.
Okay,
on
on
the
summary,
it
states
that
you're
gonna
have
alteration
of
the
front
porch
columns
and
on
your
drawings
it
just
calls
out
square
wood
columns.
I
assume
that
those
are
just
matching.
What's
existing.
C
The
oh,
the
okay,
so
commissioner
reynold
the
good
question,
because
the
lower
elevation,
which
is
the
existing
elevation,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
those,
they
are
a
little
bit
more
detailed
in
terms
of
the
design
almost
suggesting
I
don't
know
what
sort
of
a
queen
anne
look
to
what
we
are
sort
of
calling
a
farmhouse
house,
whether
it's
an
old
style
farmhouse
or
a
new
style
farmhouse,
and
so
we
are
suggesting
that
we
square
up
those
columns
as
opposed
to
live
with
the
existing
columns.
C
They've
been
there
for
they've
been
there
for
a
long
time.
They
weren't
that
porch
was
an
addition.
At
some
point.
It
wasn't
part
of
the
original
structure
and
the
columns
are
not
in
the
best
shape
and
as
part
of
our
focus
to
work
with
you
can
see
the
porch
structure
suggesting
a
metal
roof
that
wraps
around
the
columns
would
also
go
to
a
more
simple,
more.
C
H
H
D
You
and
mr
armstrong,
would
you
mind
putting
the
shirt
on
with
the
3d
so
that
commissioner
coin
can
see
it
can.
D
C
C
I
thought,
but
we
can
send
it
over
if
that's
something
that,
in
terms
of
you,
know,
documenting
this
from
an
approval
standpoint
that
you
need
that
in
the
packet
we
can
make
sure.
Obviously.
A
All
right,
if
there
are
other
aspects
of
the
work
you're
doing
that
you
want
to
go
through
up
to
you,
I
mean
you've
shown
it
to
me.
C
Sure
the
the
the
other
items
really
from
a
standpoint
of
maintaining
some
of
the
character
of
the
existing
front
elevation,
which
is
again
really
an
elevation
that
has
gone
through
changes
over
time
and
we're
trying
to
bring
it
back
to
more
of
a
simple
elevation
or
simple.
C
You
know
detailed
structure
we've
picked
up
on
each
gable
or
most
of
the
gables,
where
we
felt
appropriate
the
design
that
you
see
on
that
main
gable
over
the
front
door,
where
we've
brought
a
band
board
to
the
top
of
the
windows
and
then
delineated
the
area
of
the
gable
above
windows
to
below
a
little
differently.
C
C
Where
we've
we've
picked
that
up,
you
can
look
at
the
lower
elevation,
which
was
pretty
much
non-descript
and
we're
trying
to
bring
in
some
interest
where
it
resembles
the
streets
street
scape
of
the
house
much
better
than
the
existing
structure.
As
you
can
see,
we've
tried
to
introduce
some
windows,
as
you
can
see
in
that
cable
elevation,
where
they're
not
existing,
so
that
it
looks
more
like,
even
though
it's
a
side
yard.
It
looks
more
like
you
know,
a
front
the
front
elevation.
C
The
windows
were
essentially
matching
the
existing
windows
on
the
structure
with
the
new
windows
that
we're
putting
into
the
edition.
C
And
again
other
than
that
and
introducing
the
the
balcony
that
we've
introduced
we're
we're
pretty
much
just
taking
what
is
part
of
the
existing
structure
and
trying
to
emulate
it
on
the
different
elevations,
so
that
the
elevations
are
much
better
than
what's
currently
standing
there.
C
The
you
can
go
to
the
east
elevation,
carlos
you
can
that
would
that's
the
elevation
that
the
renting
was
or
the
perspective
rendering
was
done
from.
L
C
And
then
the
north
elevation,
you
can
see
that
the
again
the
front
cable
at
the
west
end
straight
through
and
evens
out
with
the
gable
that
faces
now
to
the
east
and
the
you
can
you
can
see
the
smaller
gable
that
goes
up.
The
two
and
a
half
stories
is
the
staircase
that
goes
to
the
from
the
basement.
All
the
way
through
to
the
third
floor.
K
I'm
I
I
think,
first
of
all,
I
think
it's
it's!
It's
vastly
improved
over
what
you
showed
us
last
time.
The
only
question
I
would
have
the
the
vertical
line
is
to
the
left
of
that
on
the
north
elevation
proposed
is
new
and
I'm
wondering
why
you
felt
the
need
to
delineate
or
articulate
the
stair,
because
it
produces
a
gable
in
a
section
that
is,
I
think,
a
kind
of
out
of
scale
with
the
both
the
fenestration
and
the
gable
and
or
the
gables
on
the
rest
of
the
house.
K
C
Certainly
that
so,
as
I
understand
the
question,
the
gable
that's
on
the
left
side
facing
north
has
sort
of
a
double
gable
to
it.
It's
got
the
on
the
right
side.
It's
got
the
stairwell
gable
right
there
and
then,
and
then
it
steps
back
about
a
foot
and
a
half
to
a
gable.
C
That's
a
receding
gable,
the
the
the
the
challenge
and
the
effort
there
was
because
of
the
fact
that
it's
a
a
switchback
stair,
if
you
will
so
that
the
level
of
the
windows
as
you
walk
up
and
down
the
stairs
in
the
platform,
are
different.
You
know
they're
at
a
mid
level
height
the
windows,
don't
line
up
exactly
and
wouldn't
line
up
with
the
windows
of
the
structure.
C
You
know
on
the
other
side,
so
we
felt
that
that
was
a
a
good
solution
to
do
that,
as
well
as
the
fact
that
there's
the
connection
as
you
can
see
from
the
older
home
on
the
right
side,
the
existing
gable,
and
we
felt
that
if
we
introduced
a
little
bit
of
a
step
up
instead
of
just
a
three-story
gable
next
to
a
call
it
a
two
and
a
half
story,
not
even
it
was
a
little
bit
better
broken
down.
C
It
is
a
big
shift
in
scale.
It
is
we
we
did
play
with.
Do
you
see
the
windows
on
the
existing
gable
to
the
right,
they're,
a
little
thinner
and
the
it
appears
that
what
I'm
looking
at?
Actually,
we
tried
to
match
those
windows
in
width
on
the
stairwell,
and
it
doesn't
look
like
what
I'm
looking
at
was
actually
conveyed
that
way,
but
when
they
do
match
the
width
of
the
windows
on
the
right
side,
it
is
a
more
of
an
elegant
look.
C
C
Any
other
questions
again
we're
open
to
other
suggestions.
I
mean
the
the
whole
intent
there.
Stuart
has
nothing
really
to
do
with
the
internal
space,
with
the
exception
of
the
fact
that
we
were
trying
to
work
with
the
way
that
this
the
platform
and
the
and
the
scissor
back
stairs
were,
you
know,
had
windows
that
were
different
heights
than
the
existing
or
then
the
the
first
second
and
third
floor
yeah.
I.
K
Mean
you're
you're,
you
know
you
certainly
should
do
what
you
think
best
from
a
design
point
of
view.
I
know
of
lots
of
elevations
where
the
windows
in
the
same
surface
actually
have
that
kind
of
shift
where
there
is
a
stare,
and
I
just
thought
when
you
look
at
that
same
condition
and
plan.
K
You
know
it's
a
lot.
It's
it's
a
lot
of
effort
and
expense
to
set
that
forward,
set
it
back,
and
I
I
think
that
it
does
create
an
element
that
seems
like
it's
operating
at
a
different
scale
from
the
rest
of
the
house.
K
Element
carlos:
can
you
get
a
set
to?
Was
it
up
or
down
one,
the
one
that
the
one
that
showed
the
stare
in
the
adjacent
space?
This.
K
Me
yeah,
if
you,
if
you
look
you've,
got
a
laundry
room
and
you've
popped
out
a
little
section.
You
know
the
stair
sticks
out
and
then
you
step
back
and
there's
a
window
which
I
think
is
very
nice
in
line
with
the
with
the
sink
and
then
there's
that
kind
of
secondary
setback.
Again,
and
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
you
push
the
whole
thing
out
and
actually
put
the
space
in
the
laundry
room,
it
would
have
been
less
expensive
to
build
and
visually
simplified
on
on
the
facade.
But
again
you
know.
K
C
That
and
and
just
touch
base
on
that
stuart
you're,
you're
100
correct
that
the
design
that
we're
showing
with
that
is
more
expensive
and
I
would
be
open
if
we
could
agree,
because
there
are
other
things.
We've
looked
at
as
you
look
at
every
project
with
clients
to
try
to
say.
Okay,
let's
do
the
right
thing,
but
also,
let's
be
cost
conscious
about
it
and
if
we
were
able
to,
you
know
obtain
the
approval
with
going
to
not
the
double
step
gable,
but
just
a
single
gable
in
there.
C
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
that.
I
think
it
would
look
just
fine
as
long
as
the
as
long
as
you
know,
we
handle
the
windows
that
sort
of
line
up
pretty
much
the
way
they
are
there,
but
line
up
appropriately.
So
they
don't
overlap
the
windows
that
are
in
the
laundry
room
as
well
as
the
bathroom
below
yeah.
C
C
K
Be
on
the
same
surface,
I
think
the
thing
is
like
I
said
you
know,
I'd
I'd
have
no
problem
approving
it.
Okay,.
K
Anybody
else
want
to
weigh
in
I,
I
know
I'm
over
sort
of
overstepping
our
bounds
by
making
design
suggestions,
but
you
know
I'd
like
to
see
this
move
ahead
quickly.
O
I
agree
that
that
would
help
simplify
that
facade.
Again,
I
think
it's
okay,
as
is
too,
but
the
simplification
would
be
nice.
C
D
So
yes,
basically
before
they
issue
the
permit,
we
review
the
plans
just
admitted
for
a
permit.
Okay
in
this
instance,
that
would
mean
that
you
will
have
one
gable
rather
than
two
on
the
north
elevation.
Where
the
stairs
is
there,
okay,
and
I
will
think
that
you
will
have
you
will
propose
to
make
those
double
windows
narrower
than
will
be
more
in
keeping
with
the
size
of
the
windows
to
the
right.
C
G
And
then,
mr
mr
armstrong,
just
a
quick
question:
if
you
were
to
have
one
gable
rather
than
two,
would
it
have
that
the
sort
of
gable
decorative
stuff
of
the
what's
in
the
north
elevation
in
the
receding
elevation.
C
G
C
I
think
that
would
make
the
most
sense,
and
but
we
would
still
leave
the
band
board
that
you
see
between
the
second
and
third
floor
sort
of
stopping,
so
it
doesn't
die
into
the
middle
of
a
stairway
window.
D
I
think
what
it
does,
if
I
may,
is
it
kind
of
works
better
with
the
scale
if
you
compartmentalize
the
the
cable
with
the
rest
of
the
facade.
C
The
bad
boy,
that's
on
the
left
side,
if
you
go
it's
it's
dependent
on
those
other
elevations
around
the
corner.
Oh
okay,
and
because
of
this
is
a
north
really
alley
elevation.
C
We
were
trying
to
pick
some
logical
point
to
stop
that
because,
as
you
can
see,
they
don't
have
it
on
the
existing
elevation
on
the
what
on
the
west
side,
although
it
does
have
some
prominence
on
the
front
elevation.
C
K
C
It
yeah
we
can
do
that
and
double
check
back
to
the
front
elevation.
C
That's
what's
driving
it
right
there,
it's
just
the
existing
location
and
that
existing
location
is
different.
Based
on
that
being
an
addition
in
the
50s,
as
I
recall
versus
you
can
see
the
higher
window
or
I'm
sorry,
a
van
board
under
the
window,
sill
on.
K
A
Okay,
let's
just
does
any
member
of
the
public
wish
to
comment.
A
Okay,
go
ahead.
Stewart.
K
Okay,
I
move
that
1027
judson
avenue
in
the
lake
shore
historic
district
be
granted
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
demolition,
of
a
rear,
elevation
and
rear
wood,
deck
and
pergola,
and
construction
of
a
new
two
and
a
half
story.
Addition
to
the
east
ali
facing
alteration
and
with
with
the
changes
discussed
and
the
alteration
of
the
front
roof
porch
for
mass
function
goes
to
standing
steam,
metal
and
the
alteration
of
the
front.
Porch
columns,
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
fifteen.
A
Okay,
we're
all
called
out
commissioners.
P
B
A
C
A
Thank
you
all
right,
then,
on
to
new
business,
the
first
matter
is
1145
sheridan
road.
Q
Hi,
I
can
speak
to
that.
I
am
one
of
the
property
owners
in
the
applicant,
so
we
are
looking
to
actually.
Q
Q
There
he
is
so
this
is
actually
what
we
view
as
a
continuation
of
a
project
that
we
started
just
about
a
year
ago,
where
we
came
to
the
same
commission
and
sought
approval
to
or
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
replace
seven
windows
at
the
time
I
think
four
or
four
were
original
from
or
what
we
think
are
original
from
1913
with
you
know,
custom
crafted
marvin
window,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
but
behind
me
are
actually
the
replacements
and
they
look
identical
to
what
we.
What
was
there
before?
Q
What
we're
now
looking
to
do
is
replace
16
bedroom
windows,
13
of
which
we
think
are
original.
The
other
three
were
poorly
put
in
in
probably
the
1960s
they're
in
terrible
condition,
probably
not
put
in
with
a
permit,
is
our
suspicion
and
we're
trying
to
just
really
update
those
windows.
Do
custom
crafted
marvin
windows
there
as
well
and
then
kind
of
the
second
part
of
the
application
is
a
family
room
which
was
an
addition
to
the
house.
Q
Put
on,
we
think
in
1989
or
1990
we're
not
entirely
sure,
and
that
would
be
10
windows
and
really
that's
a
home
improvement
project.
The
windows
that
were
put
in
in
the
1990s
were
not
custom,
marvin
windows,
and
so
we
really
want
to
upgrade
that
area
and
when
we
came
before
the
commission
before
you
know,
we
we
came
into
this
home.
We've
been
proud
owners
for
four
years
of
this
landmark
property
at
the
inspection.
Q
It
was
very
clear
that
we
were
gonna,
have
a
lot
of
window
work
to
do,
and
the
suggestion
was
like
you
know,
over
time.
You're
gonna
have
to
replace
a
lot
of
windows,
there's
currently
40
different
styles
of
windows
in
the
house,
which
is
hard
to
believe.
So
what
we're
actually
trying
to
do
is
create
a
more
cohesive
look
within
the
architectural
character
and
integrity
of
the
original
architects
which
we're
tellimg
watson.
Q
Q
You
can
actually
see
every
architectural
detail
and
we
hope
that
that's
apparent
with
the
application
that
we
put
forward
and
trying
to
think
like
actually
last
time
we
were
here
to
someone
did
ask
us,
like
you
know,
were
we
looking
to
replace
the
other
originals,
and
we
said
yes,
but
obviously
there
are
budgetary
constraints,
but
after
we
replaced
these
ones,
we
accelerated
our
time.
Our
timeline
quite
a
bit.
We
do
have
concerns
about.
Q
Unfortunately,
these
windows
have
not
been
maintained
over
the
last
108
years,
so
restoration
is
not
feasible
or
recommended
at
the
time,
and
we
will
say
with
the
windows
we
were
placed
in
the
dining
room.
Initially,
there
was
a
10
to
15
degree
differential
in
the
winter,
with
no
ambiguity
that
that
has
shifted
now.
The
temperature
on
the
first
floor
of
the
house
is
completely
consistent
with
just
the
windows
changing.
So
it
was
not.
Q
You
know
an
issue
of
insulation
or
anything
like
that,
and
I
cannot
tell
the
commission
how
wonderful
it
is
to
be
able
to
open
and
close
windows
and
let
the
beautiful
fresh
air
into
this
house.
If
you're
gonna,
ask
me
about
vertical
lines
and
elevations
I'll
have
to
kick
it
over
to
the
person
from
marvin
who
is
actually
representing
us,
but
I
do
think
the
drawings
speak
for
themselves.
The
pictures
kind
of
show
the
condition,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
have
any.
Q
You
know
questions
for
us,
but
I
just
want
to
say
we
are
ecstatic
to
continue
to
improve
this
beautiful
piece
of
history
and
that's
pretty
much
all
I
have
to
say.
I
don't
know
if
burke
has
anything
else
to
add.
A
I
think
it
would
help
if
your
window
representative
was
just
show
us.
The
actual
windows.
B
R
All
right
ian
down
that
from
marvin.
What's
your
name
again,
please
ian
dunlap
from
marvin!
I
represented
another
homeowner
just
a
few
months
ago
before
you
guys.
A
R
I
Yeah
there
is
configuration.
R
So,
basically,
I
took
cad
drawings
of
each
of
the
new
windows,
the
exact
same
size
as
the
existing
we're
using
a
trellis
grid
pattern.
So
it's
a
custom
pattern.
The
daylight
openings
between
the
grid
and
the
sash
are
exactly
the
same
as
what's
existing
and
then
I
also
have
handwritten
drawings.
R
I
can
do
my
own
cad
drawings
of
the
existing
windows
as
well
with
all
the
dimensions
of
check
rail,
the
bevels,
the
sash
at
the
bottom
sashes
on
the
sides,
the
sdls,
seven
eighth
inch,
we're
matching
exactly
so
everything
is,
is
pretty
much
matching
exactly
what
we've
got.
R
No,
not
I
mean
we're
giving
you
the
existing
windows
windows
c
as
basically,
if
you
look
at
the
pictures,
I've
actually
listed,
which
windows
are
which,
on
the
exact
actually
taken
pictures,
and
then
we've
got
the
written
drawings
of
the
existing
plus
the
the
new
windows.
H
R
H
No
understood
I
just
figured
if,
if,
when
we
read
the
whoever's
making
a
motion,
maybe
just
make
a
note
that
it's
an
sdo
gotcha.
D
Thank
you
yeah
and
the
here
it
says
the
existing
and
proposed
three
divided
lights.
I
think
that's
where
the
description
came
about,
but
there's
three
divided
lights
and
then
below
is
simulated
by
the
lights.
That's
where
you
correct.
E
R
Do
well
what
was
approved
last,
so
it's
not
a
custom
trim
on
the
outside.
What
was
approved
last
time
was
a
full
aluminum
wrap
of
the
exterior.
So
that's
what
I
was
planning
on
doing.
If
you
don't
want
to
do
that
this
time,
and
if
you
want
to
leave
the
exterior
trim,
we
could
look
into
that.
But
what
was
improved
last
time
was
a
full
aluminum
wrap
of
the
exterior
okay,
understood.
K
Yep,
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
match,
what's
already
on
the
house,
sure.
K
Q
Well,
I
hope
you
all
will
drive
by
because
honestly,
we're
really
proud
of
the
work
we've
done
with
this
home
and
the
detail
on
the
windows
we've
replaced
is
stunning
and
you
know
we're
the
homeowners
who
are
trying
to
do
this
right
with
it.
We
care
about
architecture,
it's
why
we
own
this
place
and
the
landscape
project
outside
is
going
to
be
a
little
more
prairie
style
and
really
just
bring
this
place
home.
So
I
appreciate
that.
H
Make
a
motion:
I
move
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
1145
sheridan
road
landmark
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
application,
21
prez,
zero,
zero,
seven
zero
for
the
replacing
of
29
windows
on
the
north,
south
east
and
west
elevations
with
custom
manufactured
aluminum,
clad
wood
windows
with
simulated
divided
lights,
to
match
the
existing
applicable
standards.
Alteration
one
through
ten.
A
Second
I'll,
second,
okay
through
it.
Second
all
right,
a
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
sullivan.
I
A
B
I'm
claire
enfield
and
just
in
the
event
that
a
three-year-old
gets
out
of
bed
I
might
have
to
exit
the
screen,
but
I
will
be
right
back
and
john
will
stay
just
in
case.
N
N
I
guess
our
journey
to
to
even
be
here
and
understand
what
the
commission
is
is
new
homeowners
in
this
district
and
why
we're
kind
of
putting
this
request
in
to
to
change
the
material
on
our
roof,
and
so
we
moved
in
only
in
early
may.
During
our
inspection,
it
became
very
apparent
to
us
that
our
roof
was
pretty
in
rough
shape,
probably
from
the
hail
storm
that
impacted
most
of
evanston
last
year.
N
During
closing
and
all
in
all
those
conversations,
we
really
pushed
hard
for
them
to
file
an
insurance
claim
on
behalf
of
the
roof
in
order
to
kind
of
alleviate
ever
needing
to
get
to
this
point.
Unfortunately,
we
didn't
find
a
lot
of
cooperation
in
that
it
was
an
estate
attorney
who
we
had
to
work
with.
There
wasn't
a
family
on
the
other
end,
and
so
what
we
ended
up
negotiating
with
a
small
credit
towards
the
roof
in
order
to
kind
of
feel
good
about.
N
You
know
taking
on
this
home
and
the
responsibility
for
maintaining.
You
know
this
old,
beautiful
home
that
we
kind
of
fell
in
love
with
the
moment
we
walked
into
it
and
so
and
talking
with
hanson
roofing,
we
were
able
to
kind
of
get
a
quote
pretty
quickly
in
order
to
use
in
those
conversations,
and
they
helped
us
see
like
a
time
and
materials
based
quote,
we
counted
minimally
80
cracked
or
broken
tiles
on
our
roof.
There's
water
damage
apparent
in
the
rafters
in
our
attic.
So
it's
clearly
failed
at
this
point.
N
In
those
conversations
they
were
not
recommending
to
us
that
we'd
go
a
repair
route.
We
do
have
a
quote
that's
attached
here.
N
N
This
is
the
original
roof
and
repairs
aren't
really
recommended
at
this
stage,
especially
with
the
shape
that
ours
currently
is
in
after
the
storm,
and
so
we
reached
out
to
another
roofing
company
we've
been,
you
know,
going
for
walks
with
our
children
and
our
dogs
in
the
neighborhood
doing
a
lot
of
looking
up
at
other
homes
to
kind
of
see
what
else
is
out
there.
We
found
another
roofing
contractor
precision
who
was
doing
a
project
just
two
blocks
south
of
us
and
got
in
contact
with
them
to
help
build
a
quote.
N
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
a
quote
in
hand
for
this
meeting,
so
this
is
kind
of
all.
We
have
that
we're
showing
on
screen
here,
but
they
kind
of
corroborated.
What
we
heard
from
hanson
roofing,
which
is
our
roof,
is
beyond
the
end
of
its
useful
life
that
the
homes
that
they're
working
on
have
serious
underlayment
issues
and
that
they
do
not
recommend
repairs.
They
recommend
replacement.
They
actually
were
able
to
make
it
out
last
week
and
do
like
a
drone
assessment
of
our
roof,
and
I
was
able
to
talk
with
the
technician.
N
There's
the
three-year-old
who
is
able
to
kind
of
say
you
know
I
don't
have
a
quote,
but
basically
his
recommendation
based
on
what
he
saw
is
that
this
is
not
a
root,
that
we
want
to
repair
it's
beyond
its
useful
life
and
that
we
need
something
new
up
there.
The
challenge
is
that
the
the
verbal
quote
I
kind
of
held
them
to
was
225
000
to
replace
this
roof,
and
so
obviously
a
staggering
number.
It
was
not
part
of
our
calculus
and
making
this
purchase
of
our
home
financially.
N
It
seems
hard
to
to
justify
a
roof
of
that
cost,
and
so
we
are
being
told
by
independent
roofing,
two
separate
contractors
that
this
is
not
something
that
is
worth
repairing,
that
the
money
needs
to
go
under
replacement,
and
the
quote
we
have
for
replacement
is
something
that
is.
I
mean,
I
don't
know
what
numbers
you've
heard
in
the
past,
but
it
blew
us
away
basically,
and
so
that's
the
point
in
which
we
really
wanted
to
start
exploring.
N
How
do
we
maintain
elements
of
this
roof?
To
give
it?
The
visual
appeal
that
this
tile
roof
has
because
we
we
cannot
proceed
with
a
roof
of
that
cost.
To
replace
and
again
it's
in
the
kind
of
a
letter
I
wrote
here,
but
that
would
be
with
a
like
a
modern
production
run
tile.
It
wouldn't
even
mimic
the
original
thickness
of
the
tile
that
exists
on
our
roof.
That
would
be
a
custom
project,
and
so
the
price
would
go
up
from
there.
We
don't
have
that
quote
in
hand
either
yeah.
N
You
can
see
a
little
the
damage
here,
and
so
we
started
our
exploration,
hanson
kind
of
brought.
This
landmark
pro
asphalt
shingle
to
our
attention,
one
because
walking
up
and
down
hidman
avenue
the
block
north
to
us
and
on
our
block
every
house,
except
for
one,
has
been
updated
over
the
years
into
an
asphalt
shingle.
So
it
would
bring
it
in
alignment
with
what
our
local
community
is
and
we
picked
a
green
color
that
tries
to
mimic
kind
of
the
patina
that
we
see
on
these
old,
tile,
roofing
components,
and
so
that's.
N
Our
recommendation
is
because
we
feel
very
stuck
between
this
repair
and
replace
that
we
can
go
with
something
that
kind
of
honors
the
the
color
the
the
shingle
that
was
recommended
has
an
illusion
of
depth.
It's
obviously
not
the
same
as
as
a
ceramic
tile
that
depth,
but
I
don't
know
if
many
of
you
are
able
to
kind
of
walk
the
home.
I
know
I
bumped
into
a
lekka
earlier
today.
N
I
I
have
photographs
if
it
helped
it's
helpful,
the
the
height
of
our
roof
and
the
pitch
of
our
roof
do
make
it
pretty
hard
to
see
from
street
level,
and
so
you
kind
of
have
to
get
a
decent
view
of
it,
especially
now
it's
trees
and
bloom,
it's
almost
impossible,
but
yeah.
These
pictures
kind
of
do
a
good
job.
This
is
standing
in
the
middle
of
street
from
across
the
street,
and
I
have
other
pictures
I
can
share
if
it's
helpful.
N
But
so
that's
that's
our
hope
and
that's
kind
of
our
journey
to
get
to
this
point
so
open
to
any
questions
you
all
might
have.
K
John,
did
you
get
a
breakdown
in
the
mind-boggling
225
000
quote
between
materials
and
labor.
N
Unfortunately,
I
I
don't
so
ludovici
is
this
company
that
I
think.
N
That's
what
we
were
told
yeah,
and
so
we
I
don't,
have
it
they.
I
couldn't
get
them
to
put
anything
on
paper,
which
was
my
goal
for
this
person.
We've
been
in
talks
for
two
and
a
half
weeks
at
this
point,
but
unfortunately
it's
just
the
timing
for
them
that
didn't
work
out
for
this.
For
this
meeting.
N
No,
I
don't,
I
don't
believe
I
think
we
were
trying
to.
I
don't
so
composite
as
in
like
a
composite
tile.
Is
that
what
it
is.
K
Yeah,
it's
a
it's
an
aerosols
material,
it's
it's
a
a
mineral,
fiber
composite
that
look
and
they
make
it
and
it
looks
sort
of
like
slight
and
they
make
them
and
they
look
sort
of
like
tile.
What
it
has
that
the
asphalt
shingle
roof
doesn't
have
is
an
edge
thickness.
K
Granted
your
the
picture
of
your
roof
is
kind
of
low
and
it's
hard
to
see.
But
you
know
what
you're
proposing
would
try
to
replicate
the
color,
but
it
would
not
represe
replicate
the
texture.
K
So
I'm
wondering,
since
we're
all
now
getting
used
to
saying
yes
to
simulated,
divided
light
windows
with
their
greater
energy
efficiency,
since
the
look
is
something
that's
acceptable,
whether
they're,
whether
you've
gone
through
an
exploration
of
of
other
other
products
and
the
reason
I
asked
about
a
breakdown
between
materials
and
and
labor-
is
that
the
the
alternates
to
actual
clay
tile
will
probably
be
significantly
less
money,
but
the
labor
may
not
be
significantly
less
to
put
it
in
place.
N
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
same
material,
but
I
the
technician
from
precision
who
I
was
speaking
with.
He
mentioned
another
alternative.
That
is
an
option.
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
same
one,
but
he
again
works
for
a
company
that
I
think,
is
a
partnership
with
ludovici
but
was
pushing
against
kind
of
using.
And
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
exact
same
material.
I
apologize,
but
using
kind
of
like
a
b
grade
version
of
a
ceramic
tile
as
a
replacement,
doo-doo
they're.
N
They
don't
have
the
same
longevity,
obviously
as
a
ceramic
material
and
for
the
cost.
It
doesn't
kind
of
make
sense
for
what
you
get,
because
I
think
the
labor
costs
to
kind
of
peel
back
the
whole
roof
and
get
up
there
and
reinstall
the
new
one.
So
I
I
wish
I
had
numbers
to
kind
of
have
for
the
commission
today,
but
unfortunately,
the.
K
Virtue
of
doing
a
complete
replacement
is
the
underlayment.
I'm
sure
that
hansen
has
recommended
that
you
do
the
whole
roof
because
of
the
low
pitch
with
ice
and
water
shields.
N
Right
correct,
I
believe,
that's
in
the
the
quote
that
is
attached
here.
H
H
We've
obviously
approved
using
a
shingle
on
homes
before
it's
not
a
landmark
hall,
it's
just
a
contributing
home,
but
since
it
is
such
a
low
profile
house,
when
you
walk
by
it,
it's
really
hard
to
see
that
roof.
It
doesn't
have
a
steep
slope
where
you
see
the
tiles
like
in
a
lot
of
the
tile
lines
that
you're
seeing.
H
E
I'm
not
convinced
that
going
with
that
shade
of
green
on
an
asphalt
shingle
is
really
honoring
the
roof.
That's
there!
I,
if
you,
I
think
the
question
that
I'm
thinking
about
is
really
just
the
replacement
to
any
asphalt
shingle.
If
I
thought
that
approving
the
replacement
to
an
asphalt
jingle
was
okay,
it'd
be
okay
and
a
gray
any
other
complimenting
color.
I
actually
think
that
this
one,
the
one
that
you've
selected
while
it
is
the
closest
to
the
root.
E
N
I
was
just
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understood
what
mr
jacobs
was
was
recommending
there.
I
don't
think
that
I
followed
okay.
L
E
The
I
think
that
you've
come
upon
this
particular
color
selection
on
your
asphalt
choice
to
try
and
honor
the
roof.
That's
there
and
I
think
I'm
I'm
disputing
that
that
really
doesn't
honor.
What's
there,
you
can
there's
no
asphalt
shingle
that
you
could
pick
out
of
any
series
of
hues
that
could
come
anywhere
near
close
to
the
beauty
of
what
you've
got
there
now.
I
do
agree
with
a
lot
of
the
commissioner
sentiment
that
this
is
not
a
very
visible
roof,
as
beautiful
as
it
is,
and
definitely
leaning
towards.
N
Okay,
that's
what
I
thought
you
were
saying:
we.
We
are
open
to
kind
of
recommendations
in
terms
of
selecting
an
appropriate
color.
You
know
I
I
wasn't
sure
if
the
conversation
kind
of
deviates
that
way
or
if
it's
more
about
approval
to
to
kind
of
change
the
material,
but
you
know
we're
open
to
kind
of
finding
what
what
works.
So,
okay,.
A
We
can't
require
you
to
use
any
specific
colors,
it's
not
generally
accepted,
that's
not
within
our
curves,
and
we
can
recommend
things.
We
think
would
look
good,
but
that's
ultimately
up
to
you.
D
As
far
as
the
color
just
to
reinforce
what
the
chair
is
mentioning
is
that
you
know
we
cannot
tell
the
color
about
it
in
the
ordinary.
It
says
it
has
to
be
compatible.
So
I
think
I
sent
you
some
information
earlier
about
some
shingles
that
I
thought
were
more
compatible
with
the
type
of
color
and
the
type
of
tile
and
color,
but
I
just
share
that
with
you,
but
you
still
send
back
this
one.
So
perhaps
we
can
continue
exploring
what
color
would
be
more
appropriate
rather
than.
K
I
I
kind
of
agree
with
john.
You
know
once
you've
gone
to
an
asphalt
roof
it
it.
It
is
such
a
dramatic
change
that
you
know
you
should
actually
put
any
color
up
there
that
you'd
like
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
You
know
I
mean
I
think
it.
I
think
it's
totally
unreasonable,
since
this
is
not
a
landmark
structure
for
us
to
require
you
to
spend.
You
know
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
or
in
that
ball
park
to
put
a
new
roof
on
it.
K
But
it
really
pains
me
as
a
someone
who
loves
old
buildings
and
who
is
a
big
fan
of
george
mayer's
work
to
to
not
see
to
see
an
asphalt
shingle
go
on
this
house.
Although
I
think
that
I
think
that
if
it
came
to
a
vote,
I
would
have
to
vote
to
approve
the
asphalt
shingle
roof.
A
Do
we
think
that
it's
worthwhile
asking
the
homeowner
to
explore
some
of
the
other
materials
or
is
the
likelihood
that's
going
to
be
similarly
expensive?.
I
A
I
I
would
go
along
with
that.
I
mean
I
I
think.
Ultimately,
you
know
I
wouldn't
vote
to
make
you
spend
that
kind
of
money
on
it,
but
I
don't
think
the
asphalt
roof
is
going
to
be
anywhere
near
the
equivalent
and
it
is
sad
to
see
it
go
without
at
least
investigating
alternatives.
I
also
in
terms
of
repair
it.
I
A
A
K
Oh
yeah
yeah,
I
know
they
do
and
they've
done.
They've
done
slate
roofs
for
us,
so
you
know,
unlike
the
guys
that
do
asphalt
or
even
do
cedar
shingles
that
I
think
you
you
need
someone
who
has
experience
with
slade
or
with
clay
tile
roofing.
N
Precision,
let
me
know-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
applied
to
hanson-
I
didn't
confirm
it,
but
that
they're
like
a
licensed
installer
with
ludovici,
and
if
you
don't
go
with
a
licensed
installer
with
them,
they
won't
warrant
their
product
for
the
75
years,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
hansen
is
or
doesn't
or
you
know,
hazard
does
not
have
that
relationship.
But
it
kind
of
says
that,
like
the
quote
we
are
getting
from
them
is
the
one
we
need
to
go
with
in
order
to
kind
of
get
the
guarantees
that
come
with
the
manufacturer.
G
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicants:
have
you
talked
to
hanson,
or
anybody
about
perhaps
salvaging
one
or
two
of
the
tiles
in
case
somebody
in
the
future
wants
to
reconstruct
it?
G
N
I
think
they
leverage
any
tiles
that
they
can
from
their
projects
and
reuse
them
in
later
projects.
So
I
think
they
are
how
much
longer
they
are
able
to
kind
of
apply
salvage
tile
and
roses
to
be
seen,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
they
keep
them
in,
like
a
storage
facility
to
use
for
projects
like
this,
because
it's
hard
to
find-
I
don't.
I
mean
this
material,
this
thickness
that
color,
it's
really
hard
to
kind
of
track
down
those
materials.
These
days.
G
I
just
I
mean
if
we're
gonna,
if
you
get
the
approval
to
remove
the
roof,
it
seems
like
before
it's
removed,
perhaps
some
documentation
or
something
so
that
if
someone
in
the
future
has
deep
pockets
and
wants
to
replace
it,
you
know
the
way
it
was
perhaps
there's
some
knowledge
about
what
they
look
like
their
color
and
their
thickness.
I
mean,
but
I
don't
know
I
I
don't
know
if
we
can
require
you
to
do
that.
N
A
I
don't
think
so.
I
think
it's
a
basic
choice
of
which
roof.
I
think
we
either
have
to
approve
the
asphalt
shingles
or
continue
for
one
month
and
ask
the
applicant
to
come
back
with
further
investigations,
and
then
you
know
consider
what
type
of
you
know
whether
this
is
the
only
viable
alternative
or
not.
But.
A
D
That's
correct:
we
know
that
they're
proposing
the
asphalt
shingles.
We
know
the
type
the
hunter
green
asphalt
shingle.
I
will
say
that
the
color
that
you
see
on
the
screen
is
not
necessarily
what
the
actual
color
looks
like.
It
looks
very
strong,
like
I
said,
but
if
the
commission
would
like
me
to
help
the
applicant
to
explore
more
color
to
his
choice,
I
believe
he
has
all
the
intentions
to
find
something
that
would
be
a
good
match
to
the
original.
D
F
A
I
guess
the
question
is
whether
anybody
but
jamie-
and
I
would
like
to
see
just
because
of
our
reluctance-
to
see
the
asphalt
substitute
for
the
clay,
whether
one
more
month,
investigation
of
alternatives
would
be
worthwhile
or
whether
we're
the
only
two
commissioners
who
feel
that
way,
in
which
case
we
should
just
vote
on
it
tonight.
P
Well,
I
have
to
say
I
think
some
of
the
other
commissioners
have
more
experience
than
I
do
about
the
products
that
are
out
there.
I
think
I
agree
with
what's
been
said
already
that
it's
not
a
landmark
house.
I
can't
you
know
I
don't
feel
good
about
not
you
know,
we
can't
ask
them
to
replicate
the
roof,
but
it
is
going
to
be
a
dramatic.
P
Luckily,
luckily,
it's
not
you
know
I
was
walking
around
from
many
angles:
it's
it's
not
like
some
homes,
a
highly
highly
visible
roof,
but
that
element
of
texture
and
depth
is
you
know
not
it's
not
going
to
be
there
anymore
and
if
there's
any
way
that
some
other
composite
material
will
replicate
that
within
a
reasonable
amount
of
within
a
reasonable
expense.
P
But
I
don't
know,
I
guess
I
asked
some
of
the
other
commissioners
with
more
experience.
Whether
you
know
a
little
bit
more
digging
on
the
on
the
homeowner's
part
is
is
worth
it
or
whether
their
knowledge
of
these
materials
is
such
that
you
know
it
wouldn't
make
a
difference.
G
I
just
would
like
to
add
that
I
I
feel
the
same
as
commissioner
sullivan
I'm
gonna,
let
others
with
the
knowledge
of
these
roofing
materials
guide.
K
H
I've
I've
used
some
composite
shingles
before
on
a
church
and
I
will
say,
looking
at
the
proposal
from
hanson
for
eighteen
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
30
year
old,
shingles
30-year
warranted
shingles.
The
composite
roof
is
not
going
to
be
225
000,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
close
to
20
000..
H
I
mean
it's
gonna,
probably
be
a
six-figure
number,
so
it's
it's
cheaper
than
the
clay,
but
it's
it's
still
going
to
have
a
significant
material
cost
to
it.
We
can
pay
for
that.
E
H
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
we
all
know
that
losing
this
roof
is
a
loss
for
preservation,
but
without
forcing
a
six-figure
dollar
you
know,
I
think,
we've
let
asphalt
shingles
go
on
other
buildings
too
again,
if
it.
A
G
E
E
Here,
thank
you.
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1050
inman.
E
I
List
the
case.
A
Mr
charlie
seconds,
okay
and
a
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
sullivan
aye,
commissioner
drawler
aye
commissioner
morris.
B
A
Commissioner
cohen
said
I,
commissioner
jacobs
mr
reinhold
aye
and
I'll
vote.
I
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
A
Was
with
the
recommendation
that
you,
you
know,
perhaps
retain
some
tiles
and
document
the
beautiful
roof?
That's
there
now
that
would
be
too
expensive
to
replace.
N
Thank
you
to
carlos
and
kade,
who
held
our
hands
through
the
past
couple
of
weeks,
really
really
appreciate
all
the
help.
Thanks
commission.
I
D
J
District
good
evening,
commissioners,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
for
your
consideration
for
our
application
for
certificate
of
occupancy
or
certificate
of
appropriateness,
I'm
steve
ronowitz,
studio,
r
architecture
on
behalf
of
the
homeowners,
the
zimmerman
family
and
also
the
mosaic
construction.
J
J
We
are
proposing
to
remove
a
few
windows
on
the
north
facade,
there's
a
bay
that
extends
out
from.
I
J
North
facade,
it's
on
the
rear,
half
of
the
of
the
plan,
and
so
we
we
are
requesting
some
window
changes
on
the
north
facade
and
also
on
the
east,
facade
and
south
facade.
J
If
we
can
pull
up
some
pictures
of
the
street
view,
you
can
kind
of
get
some
context
and
see
where
the
windows
are
in
relation
to
the
rest
of
the
house,
so
we're
looking
at
the
north
facade
right
now
and
the
bay.
That's
that
we're
referring
to
is
in
the
background.
J
J
You
see
there
to
the
right
sort
of
has
a
bit
more
of
a
formal
organization
to
it.
But
when
you
turn
the
corner
and
head
to
the
to
the
north
facade
that
we're
talking
about
the
window
organization
becomes
much
more
varied,
almost
almost
the
level
of
playful,
with
with
the
roof
lines
that
extend
to
various
heights,
and
we
have
quite
a
variety
of
window
sizes
proportions,
et
cetera.
J
The
let's
see
if
we
can
scroll
down
in
the
pictures.
J
I
see
okay,
would
you
put
in
carlos?
Would
you
please
pull
up
the
the
architectural
elevations?
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So,
there's
an
overview
of
the
existing
conditions
shown
on
the
bottom
of
the
sheet
and
the
proposed
alterations
which
show
above
them
so
in
the
north
elevations,
which
which
what
we
were
just
previously
discussing
and
the
windows
on
the
bay.
J
There
are
currently
no
windows
that
exist
on
the
first
floor
of
the
bay,
which
I
suspect
that
there
may
have
been.
You
know
window
there
in
the
past,
but
there
are
two
double
hungs
that
flank
the
sides
of
the
bay
and
then
an
adjacent
double
hung.
That's
just
to
the
west
of
the
bay,
and
then
there
are
there's
a
pair
of
casement
windows
that
are
to
the
east
of
the
bay
and
smaller
in
scale.
J
And
so
you
can
see
the
proposed
changes
above
it
what's
happening
in
the
kitchen.
Is
that
we're
utilizing
the
bay
as
a
work
area
of
the
kitchen,
because
it's
kind
of
a
uniquely
shaped
kitchen,
with
multiple
entrances
and
essentially
we're
using
the
western
portion
of
the
kitchen
is
a
working
area
in
the
design
and
the
eastern
portion,
which
faces
the
rear
yard
to
place
a
banquette
which
is
directly
behind
those
two
windows
but
really
faces
towards
the
backyard
yeah.
J
If
we
move
to
the
east
elevation
we're
proposing
to
take
to
alter
that
facade
so
that
there's
one
large
window
there
that
has
a
divided
window
below
it
and
replace
it
with
some
double
hung
windows
more
in
keeping
with
the
existing
language
of
the
house
and
and
then
turning
the
corner
around
that
little
one-story
addition,
you
can
see
the
partial
south
elevation
currently
there's
a
double
a
double
sliding
door.
There
that's
being
replaced
by
a
single
swinging.
French
door
with
you
know,
flanked
with
a
pair
of
thin
double
hungs.
J
J
The
windows
are
all
marvin
architectural
grade
windows
and
the
the
window
casings
and
the
silt
treatments
will
all
match
the
existing
window.
Treatments
on
the
exterior
and
the
siding
is
currently
it's
a
lab,
siding
with
a
four
inch
exposure
it.
Actually,
it
actually
has
a
very
sort
of
interesting
patterned
effect
in
some
portions
of
the
facade.
It's
actually
very
interesting.
It
doesn't
happen
to
show
up
in
where
we're
talking
about,
but
we're
going
to
continue
with
the
pattern
in
size
and
exposure.
That's
existing.
J
So
with
that,
I
will
sort
of
stop
and
and
take
questions.
A
What
is
the
cladding?
That's
there
that
you're
you're
in
filling
with.
K
The
horizontal,
the
skinny
horizontal
windows
that
you're
adding
I
assume
and
and
thank
you
by
the
way
for
including
plans
they're
not
required,
but
the
elevations
that
you
are
showing
us
would
be
inexplicable
without
the
plans.
So
I
assume
that
those
little
horizontal
windows
are
actually
above
a
stock
cabinet
size.
Is
that
correct.
K
So
they're,
basically,
rather
than
bringing
a
lot
of
light
into
the
kitchen
they're
sort
of
washing
the
ceiling
with
some
some
light.
Laterally.
K
You
know
I,
the
those
windows
bother
me
because
they
are
of
a
proportion
and
a
kind
that
really
seems
out
of
keeping
with
the
house.
You
know
you
do
get
horizontal
windows
in
older
houses
like
this,
often
on
either
flanking
a
fireplace
and
sitting
on
top
of
cabinetry.
So
the
idea
of
putting
some
windows
on
top
of
cabinetry
seems
reasonable,
but
I
think
you're
forced
into
taking
out
huge
windows
that
in
that
bay
by
the
kitchen
layout
and
by
putting
probably
can
you
go
back
to
the
plan.
K
Of
the
kitchen
yeah,
by
putting
all
the
cabinetry
along
the
perimeter,
which
is
the
obvious
thing
to
do,
you
have
no
place
to
put
windows,
especially
if
you're
going
to
use
upper
cabinets
for
storage
there.
So
one
solution
to
the
problem
would
be
to
limit
the
upper
cabinets
and
not
put
them
in
the
bay
so
that
you
could
have
a
sink
with
windows
that
came
all
the
way
down
to
a
backsplash
height.
K
For
instance,
if
you
imagine
that
kitchen
with
a
really
big
island
keeping
that
bay
free
for
new
windows,
that
would
be
a
possibility
as
well
anyway.
K
So
now
that
that's
my
reservation
there,
I
like
the
built-in,
banquettes
and
and
the
windows-
that's
around
them,
but
I
I
don't
think
that
by
dropping
the
center
windows
lower
than
the
ones
where
the
seo
is
determined
by
the
back
of
the
banquette,
it
seems
to
me
that
you're
introducing
a
t-shaped
window
motif
that
that
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
rest
of
the
house
and
seems
out
of
keeping
with
it.
And
you
know
for
for
six
inches
of
window
or
whatever
the
difference
is.
K
I
think
it
would
make
for
a
better
and
simpler
elevation
to
just
run
that
sill
straight
across
anyway.
Those
those
are
my
my
comments,
but
my
my
biggest
reservations
really
are
about
the
little
sort
of
horizontal
slot
windows
at
the
ceiling.
J
I
guess
I
I
thank
you
stuart.
There
are
obviously
on
the
north
elevation
just
to
the
west.
There
are
horizontal
windows
that
do
bring
some
precedent
into
the
conversation
as
as
seen
more
towards
the
front
and
towards
the
street
view.
M
Hi,
I'm
milton
zimmerman
the
owner
of
the
co
of
the
home,
along
with
my
wife,
michelle
and
just
so
you
know
those
windows
right
now
look
into
a
in
basically
into
a
brick
wall.
They
look
into
our
neighbor's
garage,
so
there's
no
view
for
us
and
the
eastern
portion
of
our
our
property.
If
you'll
quickly,
look
at
the
east
elevation
we're
going
to
bathe
our
kitchen
in
sunlight,
that's
where
the
sun
rises,
and
so
what
we're
putting
in.
M
Basically,
our
the
predecessor,
whoever
whoever
built
this
kitchen
before
I
doubt
pulled
a
permit
and
what
we're
doing
is
we're
bringing
in
marvin
windows
we're
going
to
bring
as
we've
done
before
this
house,
to
be
to
its
prior
beauty
and
we're
putting
a
whole
bank
of
windows
in
here
that
are
going
to
just
make
the
kitchen
beautiful.
Looking
into
the
garden
that
we
just
put
in
last
summer
for
this
portion
of
our
our
property,
the
northern
portion
of
our
property,
we've
talked
to
our
neighbors,
they're,
totally
cool.
M
You
can
barely
see
that
part
of
our
property
from
the
street.
You
really
need
to
be
on
their
driveway
to
look
at
it
and
we've
exhausted
all
possibilities
in
designing
this
kitchen
and
the
design
of
the
kitchen
that
we
have
right
now
is
exceptional
and
any
compromise
would
really
kind
of
like
mess
with
with
with
the
utility
of
the
property
in
the
kitchen.
F
And
the
current
windows
are
oh
in
the
current
windows
that
are
there,
I'm
sure
there
was
no
permit
pulled
for
them,
they're
a
cheaper
quality
window
and
none
of
them
open.
We
don't
have
a
single
window
that
opens
in
our
kitchen,
and
the
windows
are
a
newer
window
that
don't
match
the
style
of
any
other
window
in
our
home.
K
Okay,
thank
you
for
explaining
that
there
was
an
adjacent
building
blocking
any
view
to
the
side.
Although
the
side
yard
does
look,
the
double
the
side
yard
seem
ample,
but
that
would
probably
explain
why
there
was
no
window
originally
in
the
bay
when
it
was
built,
but
just
windows
in
the
sides
of
the
bay
giving
you
lateral
views.
M
Yeah
and
then
you
know
just
stuart
real
quick,
you
know
our
next-door
neighbors,
the
zivans
nicest
people
in
the
world
have
been
living
there
for
30
years
and
they
did
send
a
letter
into
this
commission,
letting
them
know
letting
you
all
know
that
they're
totally
cool
with
anything
that
we
would
do
they're
100
on
board,
and
so
we're
very
pleased
to
be
able
to
present
that
to
this
commission
as
well.
A
All
right
other
discussion
by
commissioners.
G
Call
give
it
a
shot.
If
you
could
help
me
know
what
I'm
supposed
to
do
and
carlos
would
you
mind
putting
the
page
up.
G
G
G
Motion
to
approve
motion
to
approve
the
c
of
a
to
number
one
alter
the
fenestration
on
the
rear,
one-third
of
the
north
elevation
by
replacing
three
double-hung
windows
with
awning
windows
of
similar
size
and
installing
one
awning
window
on
the
center
of
the
north
elevation
bay
and
number
two
alter
the
fenestration
on
the
east
and
south
elevation
of
the
existing
rear
edition
by
adding
four
double
hung:
windows
and
a
new
entry
door
with
side
lights
and
infill
all
infill
areas
to
be
clad
with
citing
to
match
existing
applicable
standards.
Alteration
one
through
ten.
A
Okay,
raw
paul
wrote,
commissioner
sullivan.
A
Talked
about
it,
you
can
second
and
vote
against
him.
Commissioner,
drellen
aye
mr
morris.
B
K
Am
I
abstain?
Oh
I'm.
A
K
A
A
I
J
A
All
right,
we
decided
we
best
out
of
an
abundance
of
caution
reopened.
The
hearing
for
2715
hurt
avenue.
I
A
Okay
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
sullivan
aye
richard
aye
mr
morris.
I
K
Cohen,
can
I
ask
why
we're
reopening
the
I
will
we'll.
A
A
Mr
reinhold
hi
and
I'm
in
honor,
so
the
procedurally
where
we
are
is
we've
already
had
the
presentations
by
the
applicant
and
by
the
owner
and
commission
discussion.
We've
already
approved
the
unanimously
the
motion
to
design,
to
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
this
building
be
landmarked.
A
The
report
has
been
written
and
commented
on
and
we
can
if
we
wish
tonight,
approve
the
report
and
ask
to
be
sent
to
city
council.
We
do
have
one
more
month
to
before
the
deadline.
If
we
decided
we
wanted
to
work
more
on
the
report,
the
this
isn't
a
re.
You
know
we've
already
voted.
We
don't.
The
only
vote
tonight
is
whether
to
approve
this.
A
The
specifics
of
the
report,
not
the
motion
to
landmark,
but
I
think
one
or
more
representatives
of
the
owner
had
asked
to
speak,
and
although
it's
kind
of
really
out
of
the
order
of
things,
I
don't
want
to
deny
them
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
would
just
ask
them
to
keep
it
brief.
Says
would
really
already
conclude
that
the
presentation,
but
if
the
owner
or
in
fact
any
member
the
public
does
wish
to
speak
to
this
I'd,
ask
that
you
keep.
A
You
know
any
individual,
keep
to
a
couple
minutes
and
recall
again.
Our
purpose
is
really
just
to
discuss
the
report,
but
would
anyone
like
I
think
one
or
two
people
had
signed
up
to
speak
carlos?
You
have
anybody
who's
actually
signed
up
with
your
lesson.
D
Yeah
we
have
three
people
who
have
expressed
interest
to
to
speak.
D
Again,
I'm
outside
the
city's
website,
but
gary
shoemaker
is
one
of
the
speakers
and
also
miss
and.
A
Is
I
can't
say,
is
gary
here
to
speak?
Yes,
jerry
did
you
wish
to
speak.
S
I
I
will
we
had
asked
anne
had
signed
up
first
and
was
going
to
make
a
statement.
I
I'm
a
couple
of
just
a
clarification.
The
owner
made
no
presentation.
S
A
We
we
talked
about
whether
to
review
the
report
and
discuss
it
and
to
hear
your
comments,
which
you
guys
have
signed
up
and
asked
to
speak
whether
we
need
to
reopen
the
hearing.
I
think
there
was
not
we
were,
I
mean
to
be
honest.
We
were
not
clear
whether
we
needed
to
reopen
the
hearing
or
not
to
do
that,
and
we
slowly
did
so
as
an
abundance
of
caution,
so
partly
just
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
speak
in
case
what
you
know.
A
A
So
if
you'd
like
to
have
ann
speak
first,
please
go
ahead.
T
Okay,
shall
I
start,
then
my
name
is
amber
tychick,
I'm
the
chairman
of
the
board
of
second
church
of
christ,
scientist
and
a
lifelong
resident
president
of
evanston.
In
order
to
conserve
the
commission's
time,
I
will
be
speaking
on
behalf
of
all
the
members
of
the
christian
science
church.
This
church
has
been
part
of
the
evanston
community
for
more
than
90
years
and
in
the
building
of
2715
heard
for
almost
75.
T
in
recent
years,
the
size
of
our
congregation
has
decreased
so
that
our
building,
which
seats
400,
is
too
large
for
the
40
members.
Our
goal
is
to
sell
the
building
so
that
we
can
purchase
another
building
that
is
more
appropriate
to
the
size
of
our
congregation.
The
church
has
been
on
the
market
for
the
past
four
years.
We
have
had
contracts
with
three
entities,
two
of
them
churches.
All
of
them
have
been
terminated
because
of
a
combination
of
community
opposition
and
negative
governmental
votes.
T
It
is
an
economic
hardship
for
our
membership
to
retain
this
building,
and
the
burden
is
increasing
maintenance
alone
on
this
building
averages
32
000
a
year,
because
the
building
is
almost
75
years
old,
its
infrastructure
is
deteriorating.
The
mechanical
systems
are
significantly
past
their
useful
lives.
For
example,
the
cost
of
replacing
their
the
air
conditioning
is
now
more
than
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
T
These
expenses
are
significant
burden
to
our
small
membership.
The
recommendation
of
the
draft
report
is
based
largely
on
the
assumption
that
the
building
was
designed
by
lawrence
perkins.
In
fact,
in
minutes
of
the
september,
1
1937
meeting
indicate
that
it
was
the
firm
of
perkins
wheeler
and
will
with
dwight
h
perkins
as
consulting
architect.
That
was
hired.
The
letter
of
the
letter
of
september
17
1937
references,
the
credentials
of
dwight
perkins
lawrence
perkins
name
is
not
used.
He's
only
referred
to
obliquely,
as
quote
younger
members
of
the
firm,
bring
several
years
of
experience
and
quote.
T
In
fact,
although
lawrence's
name
is
on
some
of
the
correspondence
it
is
eton
wheeler
signature
is
on
the
draft
contract
submitted
by
the
firm.
Therefore,
this
building
should
not
be
granted
landmark
status
because
it
cannot
be
clearly
proved
that
the
design
was
that
of
lawrence
perkins,
even
if
it
could
be
proved
lawrence.
Perkins
was
the
architect.
It
doesn't
mean
that
every
building
he
ever
designed
should
be
landmark.
The
draft
report
focuses
on
his
design
of
pro
island
school,
his
acclaim
as
an
architect
who
is
largely
on
the
400
school's
design.
T
The
mere
fact
that
this
may
be
his
only
church
does
not
render
it
worthy
of
landmark
status.
The
draft
report
is
well
written,
but
on
pages,
6
to
11
is
simply
tap,
takes
basic
elements
that
are
found
in
many
large
buildings
and
combines
them
with
decorative
details
into
what
is
claimed
to
be
sufficient
to
satisfy
the
standard.
But
it
is
not
a
unified
original
architectural
conception,
though
we
have
enjoyed
worshiping
in
it.
The
building
is
not
special
architecturally
in
the
main
preservation
commission
meeting.
No
experts
testified
to
the
architectural
importance
of
this
building.
T
T
The
only
expert
referred
to
in
any
of
the
documents
is
susan,
benjamin
and
she
is
only
quoted
as
saying
the
brick
used
is
chicago
commons,
but
much
of
chicago
is
built
with
chicago
commons,
brick.
There
is
no
reason
to
landmark
a
building
because
it
uses
its
brick.
In
the
final
analysis,
the
draft
report
rests
on
the
expertise
of
one
person,
city
planner,
kate,
sterling.
T
Since
august
2020,
when
kensington
school
submitted
a
redevelopment
petition
for
this
property,
the
city
planner
has
known
of
plans
to
demolish
the
building,
but
until
last
month
he
never
suggested
that
there
was
any
architectural
marriage
in
the
building.
Kate
sterling
was
present
at
the
november
18th
2020
meeting
of
dapper
design
parents
review
committee,
where
the
kensington
kensington's
proposal
was
voted
on.
He
did
not
object
to
demolition.
T
Moreover,
at
the
same
meeting
chair
joanna
knighton
was
the
only
vote
against
the
kensington
application,
and
her
opposition
was
only
on
the
basis
of
was
not
on
the
basis
of
preservation
and
said
her
only
objection
related
to
traffic
concerns.
The
staff
should
not
now
be
allowed
to
argue
in
favor
of
landmark
status,
landmark
status
would
render
our
church
merchant
and
marketing
any
congregation
who
would
save
the
building
would
need
several
hundred
members.
Yet
the
neighbors
objected
to
the
buyer,
and
the
planning
commission
rejected
the
special
use
permit,
because
the
congregation
would
fill
the
church.
T
There
are
no
other
possible
uses
for
the
building
because
of
its
split
level.
Design
enormous
windows
is
not
easily
adapted
to
other
uses
is
unlikely
that
anyone
would
convert
it
to
a
single
family
residence
because
it
would
also
be
much
too
large
in
comparison
to
the
neighboring
houses.
The
city
planner
implicitly
conceives.
This
point
in
his
may
third
memo,
where
he
states
that
cult
current
adaptive
use
potential
for
the
structure
is
significantly
limited
and
hooked
due
to
its
location
in
the
ireland
district,
then
without
explanation
or
support.
T
In
light
of
the
significant
community
opposition
to
the
two
church
fires,
which
would
have
maintained
the
current
use,
it
is
highly
unlikely
that
a
multi-camera
residential
use
would
be
approved.
Moreover,
in
the
light
of
community
opposition
is
unlikely,
any
developer
would
even
undertake
the
process
in
a
draft
report.
He
also
suggests
that
the
parking
lot
could
be
sold
for
a
single
family
residence.
That
suggestion
is
unworkable
because
it
would
make
the
church
building
even
less
marketable
no
parking.
T
The
report
states
that
the
president
quote
preservation
is
not
a
means
of
stopping
change
people,
but
it
is
exactly
what
is
happening
here.
The
day
after
the
planning
commission
voted
on
the
compensative
proposal,
the
application
for
landmark
static
was
filed.
Status
was
filed.
It
was
clearly
a
fallback
position
if
the
city
council
chose
to
reverse
the
planning
commission
on
transition
school.
T
The
draft
report
continues,
in
the
paragraph
to
say
that
landmark's
task
is
re,
gives
residents
unique
incentives
that
is
only
relevant
if
the
owner
wants
landmark
status
here,
it
would
be
imposed
on
us
creating
significant
harm
rather
than
benefits.
It
is
wrong
to
say
that
quote
a
benefit
outweighs
any
perceived
burden.
T
The
church
gets
absolutely
no
benefit
and
this
burden
is
not
perceived.
It's
very
real.
The
landmark
process
has
been
used
by
a
single
resident
to
rent
a
congregation
disposing
of
a
building
that
no
longer
meets
its
needs.
We
respectfully
request
that
the
preservation
committee
commission
reject
the
draft
report
and
reverse
its
decision
on
landmark
status,
both
because
on
the
basis
of
application,
is
flawed,
because
such
stash
would
impose
a
significant
hardship
on
the
small
membership
of
the
church.
S
Not
much
I
we've
read
carefully
the
the
draft
and
in
this
are
a
number
of
recommendations
for
potential
adaptive
reuses.
Having
had
the
benefit
of
being
in
this
building,
seeing
the
site
and
following
this
process,
many
of
those
are
going
to
be
impossible
without
demolition
of
the
building.
S
We
feel
that
architecturally
this
building,
while
interesting,
is
not
that
significant
and
that
again,
and
as
anne
reiterated,
the
facts
and
the
basis
for
this
draft
and
for
the
language
that
was
used
in
the
original
nomination
are
flawed
and
incorrect.
So
we
again
ask
this
commission
to
reconsider
this
and
to
withdraw
it
and
allow
this
church
to
continue
marketing
this
property.
Thank
you.
A
You
know
as
to
factual
matters
such
as
there
was
just
references
to
a
letter.
None
of
this
was
presented
at
the
hearing,
and
you
know
at
this
point.
You
know
you,
you
stated
things
but
not
presented
the
doc.
You
know
you
read
from
documents
that
weren't
presented,
so
I
mean
in
fairness
to
the
commission.
You
you're
asking
us
to
consider
evidence
you
never
presented.
A
If
you
have
the
correspondence
you're,
referring
to,
for
example,
we'd
be
happy
to
look
at
it,
but
I
think
to
say
that
there
are
facts
that
are
wrong
without
providing
any
specific
comments
to
say.
There's
other
documentation
you
never
presented
is
really
you
know
it's
not
an
evidence
because
you
didn't
present
it.
N
A
S
Simon,
we
did
not
request
preservation
status
for
this
building
and,
as
mr
sterling
was
very
clear
about
the
owners,
the
owner's
participation.
This
process
is
not
necessary.
S
A
It's
it's
totally
up
to
you
whether
you
wish
to
present
the
additional
documentation
to
contradict
the
report,
but
you
can't
tell
us
that
our
facts
are
wrong.
Based
on
documentation
that
you
declined
to
present
us.
So
it's
up
to
you
whether
to
present
evidence,
but
I'm
just
all
I'm
saying
is
if
you
wish
to
present
additional
documentation,
it's
up
to
you
you
don't
have
to,
but
obviously
we
can't
consider
things
that
you
don't
present
to
us
all
right.
Were
there
any
other
people
who
wish
to
speak
for
the
owner?
D
Mr,
I
believe,
is
william
johnson
who
sent
an
interest
to
speak.
I
don't
know
if
he
he
is
online
and
I
don't
know
he
was
just
to
speak
now.
I
I
would
this
is
bill
johnson,
I'm
a
assistant
treasurer
of
the
board,
and
I
support
what
amber
tychick
has
presented.
I
T
A
I
mean
you
know
again:
no
one
has
presented
anything
to
us.
That
would
question
that,
and
so,
if
you
do
wish
a
question,
we're
we're
open
to
looking
at
evidence
and
you're
free
to
present
it.
But
you
you
haven't
you've
said
such
evidence
exists,
but
gary
has
said
that
you
declined
to
present
it.
So
again,
it's
it's
up
to
you
if
you
wish
to
contribute
we're,
open-minded
in
terms
of
looking
at
all
the
facts,
but
you've
gotta.
A
A
D
Yeah,
I
will
appreciate
if
I
get
the
statements,
that
or
statement
that
you
read,
because
we
can
include
it
with
the
information
that
will
go
to
the
city
council.
A
But
if
there's
the
letter
you're
describing
I
mean
please
actually
send
what
you'd
like
to
all
right.
Was
there
anyone
else
from
the
public
who
wish
to
speak
to
this?
Who
hasn't
spoken
yet.
A
All
right,
then,
we'll
move
on
to
the
discussion
of
the
draft
report.
Are
there
commissioners
who
wish
to
comment
on
the
draft
report
or
otherwise
discuss
it?.
A
O
G
K
The
the
only
thing
that
I
would
ask
about,
which
was
mentioned
by
anne
tonight-
and
I
think
was
mentioned
in
the
original
presentation-
was
the
suggestion
that
larry's
father
dwight
perkins
had
some
involvement.
K
It
would
be
nice
to
know
what
that
was.
I
I
don't
remember
when
he
passed
away.
I
think
it
was
sometime
in
the
early
50s
and
I
think
by
46
he
was
long
retired
from
anything
that
resembled
practice,
but
in
fact
he
was
even
more
historically
significant
as
a
as
a
architect
than
than
his
son
larry
in
terms
of
the
revolutionizing
of
our
public
school
design.
K
K
Far
far
away
are
the
significance
of
the
work
of
the
firm
of
perkins
and
will,
at
least
in
in
my
opinion,
so
that
if,
in
fact,
there
was
some
involvement
by
dwight
perkins
at
the
end
of
his
life
in
either
bringing
the
commission
to
perkins
and
well-
or
I
can't
imagine
it,
but
in
somehow
in
the
design
of
the
church,
it
would
be
interesting
to
know
what
that
is.
Since
it's
not
now
been
alluded
to
a
few
times.
A
All
right:
well,
I
guess
one
choice
we
have
is
simply
to
vote
on
the
report
right
now.
Another
choice,
I
guess
would
be
you
know-
would
be
to
lay
till
next
month
to
finalize
anything
or
I
guess
the
in-between
choice
would
be
to
approve
and
just
say
that
if
any
you
know.
I
A
G
So
I
have
a
question
for
staff:
what
if
what
would
be
the
procedure,
as
we
only
have
until
the
next
meeting
right?
So
if
75.
A
G
G
Right
right,
two
months,
that
makes
sense
little
more
than
two
months.
So
in
that
time
the
idea
would
be
that
the
I
just
want
to
understand
what
we're
voting
on
that
the
owner
would
submit
the
documents
that
she
was
referring
to.
A
No,
I
mean
the
if,
if
we
decide-
and
we
can
decide
for
any
reason
that
we
don't
want
to
finalize
a
report-
that
we
want
to
work
on
the
report
and
then
approve
it,
our
next
meeting,
that's
an
alternative.
We
have.
A
We're
not
no,
we
we
have
that
time
and
just
you
know,
in
terms
of
you
know,
we
could
again
continue
to
make
sure
that
the
report
is
includes.
All
of
our
employment
is
factually
correct.
Okay,
we
simply
wish
to
wait
a
month
to
do
that.
We
can,
for
you
know
just
because
we
we
wish
to
do.
We
have
the
time.
K
Okay
mark
thank
you
schumacher
and
anne.
I
forgot
what
her
last
name
was,
but
they
both
alluded
to
the
fact
that
there
are
errors
in
inaccuracies
in
this
report,
and
I
wonder
if
there
is
a
way
in
which
we
can
officially
ask
them
to
submit
things
that
they
submit
and
document
those
errors
so
that
we
can
correct
and
incorporate
them.
K
I
would
think
that
if
a
letter
were
to
go
out
to
them
officially
requesting
proof
what
those
corrections
were
and
then
historical
proof
of
those
corrections
that
that
might
be
an
interesting
strategy
to
appreciate.
K
D
The
nomination,
it's
the
in
my
opinion,
the
principal
document
that
you
know
is
submitted
to
the
commission
for
review
and,
in
my
opinion,
the
owner,
which
is
not
in
favor
of
the
nomination,
is
their
call
to
submit
anything
that
will
correct
or
be
contrary.
We
we
cannot,
in
my
opinion,
ask
them
to
do
it,
as
a
matter
of
fact
is
their
their
call.
D
Want
to
take
it
if
they
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
submit
what
they
suggested
today
was
inaccurate
and
before
the
commission
adopts
the
or
this
you
know
comes
to
make
a
decision
on
the
report.
That
would
be
okay,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
require
the
applicant.
I'm.
K
Sorry
and
the
owner
yeah,
I
have
a
procedural
question:
do
we
need
to
adopt
this
at
a
official
meeting,
or
can
we
do
a
vote
by?
You
know,
email,
roll
call,
for
instance.
No
it
has
to
be
not
a
meeting.
You
cannot
do.
D
D
Did
you
want
to
make
sure
brian?
Would
you
concur
with
my
explanation.
D
You
just
want
to
make
sure
this
is
very
important
for
the
commission
and
the
owner
and
the
applicant
as
well
so.
L
D
Well,
you
know
submit
the
information
they
shared
with
us
today.
L
L
D
So
is
that
sufficient
information
to
the
commissioners
from
our
legal
special
person.
K
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
for
mark
as
a
real
estate
lawyer.
Obviously,
when
this
goes
to
the
city
council,
the
the
argument
is
economic
hardship
and
what's
involved
in
actually
proving
economic
hardship
on
the
part
of
the
of
the
owner
of
the
building
and
their
representatives.
A
A
So
the
the
kind
of
setting
of
this
is
our
rights
are
to
landmark
in
accordance
with
the
historic
preservation
standards
in
the
ordinance
which,
as
we
talked
about
last
time,
don't
include
hardship,
type
factors,
but
the
city
council
then,
has
a
full
discretion
for
a
much
wider
range
of
things
than
you
know.
The
city
council's
entitled
to
can
make
any
considerations,
particularly
economic
ones,
tax
rolls
things
like
that
that
are
beyond
our
purview,
and
you
know
again
they're
they
have
the
the
right
and
the
responsibility
to
consider
much
wider.
A
You
know
really
any
factor
they
want
to,
and
so
our
job
is
really
just
to
recommend
based
on
historical
preservation
standards
really
not
to
you
know
we're
not
really
able
to
make
an
economic
development
or
or
real
estate
tax,
or
any
assessment
like
that.
K
Okay,
what
should
we
I
mean?
Does
anybody
want
to
discuss
the
content
of
this
document?
I
mean
I,
I
think
somebody
already
complimented
kade
on
the
research
work
that
he's
done.
It's
in
my
opinion,
well
put
together,
you
know
given,
given
what
marx
just
told
me.
I
have
no
reservations
about
moving
forward
and
adopting
this.
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
think
the
the
owner
should
be
given.
You
know:
we've
got
one
month.
The
owner
should
be
given
every
opportunity
to
provide
evidence
to
the
country,
even
if
it's
outside
of
you
know,
even
if
they
probably
really
should
have
done
so
with
the
initial
hearing
and
didn't.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
learn,
leave
any
stone
unturned
and
I
don't
think,
there's
any
harm
in
making
sure
that
we,
you
know
include
all
correct
facts,
and
you
know.
A
Okay,
so
mostly
just
to
continue
the
hearing.
Yes
all
right!
Well,
I
don't
know
if
this
is
in
robert's
rules
of
orders,
but
I'll
move
to
continue
the
hearing
until
our
july
meeting,
which
time
we
have
to
make
a
decision
to
recommend
the
report
or
modify
it.
A
Okay,
sarah
second
and
then
roll
call
about
commissioner
sullivan.
F
I
F
A
Hey
commissioner
cohen
aye,
mr
jacobs
aye,
commissioner
reinhold.
I
A
A
Okay,
so
the
hearing
is
mark
continued.
K
Yeah
before
we
adjourn
for
the
evening,
I
wonder
if
anybody
has
any
reactions
to
the
determination
to
or
the
decision
to
go
back
to,
in-person
meetings
with
the
full
commission,
presenters
and
the
public
next
month.
P
Can
I
just
ask
a
quick
question
so,
with
the
action
we
just
took,
if
documents
or
substantiating
information
is
sent
to
carlos,
then
you'll
send
that
you'll
forward
information
to
us
correctly
owners.
D
We
have,
of
course,
obligations
to
submit
documentation
not
only
to
the
commission
but
to
you
know,
put
it
online
48
hours
before
the
meeting.
So
as
long
as
we
can
meet
with
that,
we
will
submit
everything
that
is
new
to
the
commission
and,
in
my
opinion,
it
will
be
included
in
the
in
the
information
that
goes
to
cancel
for
their
consideration.
I
A
I
guess
should
we
we
probably
should
approve
the
may
11th
minutes.
Were
there
any,
I
can't
remember
they
did.
Were
there
any
comments
on
them
or.
D
I'm
not
aware
of
any
comments
that
kate
might
have
received
from
commissioners.
If
they
were,
I
received,
he
probably
incorporated
him
into
the
minutes.
Okay,.
H
H
D
But
now
it
seems
like
kate
is
doing
something
that
is
very
helpful
not
only
to
stop
by
to
the
commission.
So
we'll
continue
doing
that.
Thank.
H
H
All
right
do
you.
A
A
A
D
Okay,
let's
see
we
have
approval
discussion.
D
Let's
talk
about.
First,
the
information
we
received
on
the
reopening
of
in-person
meetings,
that's
affecting
all
boards
and
commissions
committees
across
the
board.
G
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
helping
with
that.
So
the
question
I
got
from
that
was
not
enough:
I'm
sorry
from
star
wars
that,
if
there's
any
provisions
as
far
as
social
distancing,
you
know
what
what
would
be
done
to
maintain
people
healthy.
D
But
at
this
point
you
know
we
are
recommending
people
to
continue
wearing
the
mask
during
the
meetings.
We
will
keep
social
distancing
as
much
as
possible
and.
D
Probably
will
still
be
able
to
interact
with
us
through
a
virtual
session
as
well
so
that
they
don't
have
to
come
to
the
meeting.
So
we
don't
know
exactly
how
many
people
will
show
in
person,
but
they
will
have
that
opportunity
to
serve
and
ask
questions
visually.
D
The
information
I
receive
is
the
state
is
apparently
has
a
deadline
for
this
to
disclose
the
type
of
virtual
meetings
and
they
don't
expect
that
that
would
be
extended,
so
they're
preparing
for
that.
K
D
P
So
if
somebody
is
presenting
before
us
and
has
some
you
know
health
issues,
they
have
the
option
to
present
remotely.
Even
though
we're
all
there.
D
I
was
not,
they
were
not
that
specific,
but
the
public
has
the
option
to
access
remotely
the
meeting,
whether
it's
only
the
the
public,
not
the
applicant.
I
need
to
clarify.
K
G
G
No,
I
haven't
done
this
in
person,
so
so
I
can't
I
don't
know
like
what
the
space
is
or
anything
I
mean
how
close
do
we
sit
to
each
other.
D
It
would
be
the
council
chambers,
and
my
understanding
would
be
that
there
will
be
at
least
three
feet
from
person
to
person
distancing,
but
again
we
we
currently
have
eight
commissioners
other
than
11.,
so
that
might
change
if
we
have
more
commissioners
appointed.
D
D
D
D
I
mean
personally,
I
will
continue
wearing
the
mask
if
I
attend
a
meeting
in
the
civic
center
or
if
I
go
to
the
civic
center
or
any
public
space
where
there's
more
than
one
person
you
know.
Elevators,
for
instance,
is
difficult
because
you
might
be
by
yourself
and
then
another
person
comes
without
a
mask.
P
It
seems
like
they
haven't,
worked
out
some
of
the
details.
I
mean
I'm
just
thinking
if
you
know
how,
how
would
somebody
present
to
us
if
we're
there,
and
I
mean
I
know
technologically,
that
it
can
be
done,
but
I
don't
know
if
we're
we
are
technology
technological
prowess
is
is
to
the
level
that
we
would
be
able
to
allow
somebody
to
present
like
when
we're
in
person.
D
Well,
right
right
now,
it's
all
virtual
and
we
can
communicate
with
each
other
and
with
the
applicants,
we
have
a
big
screen,
this
council
chambers,
which
I
would
imagine
we
will
project
in
the
virtual
portion
of
the
virtual,
the
setting
and,
at
the
same
time
we
have
a
live
version
of
the
same.
D
So
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
would
be
an
obstacle
again.
This
is
all
very
early
to
say
exactly
how
it's
going
to
work,
but
that's
the
direction
we
received
this
morning
for
all
parts
and
committees,
so
we're
not
being
singled
out
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
I
K
K
D
All
I
can
suggest
is
that
you
know
as
as
individuals,
you
can
express
your
concerns
and
I
will
be
happy
to
share
that
with
the
director.
I
just
want
to.
A
Yeah
it,
it
does
seem,
like
the
I
mean.
Clearly,
they
made
the
announcement
without
having
thought
through
yet
any
of
the
ramifications,
and
I
think
you're
hearing
a
lot
of
commissioners,
wonder
if
this
is
feasible
and
safe
on
such
short
notice.
A
You
know
even
separate
apart
from
procedures,
and
and
you
know,
then
it
raises
questions
of.
If
the
people
can
make
you
know,
applicants
can
apply
virtually.
How
can
you
say
a
commissioner
can't
also
be
virtual?
I
mean
the
commission
has
to
be
in
person
or
it
doesn't
so
it
just
doesn't
seem
like
they've
and
then
the
safety
issues
the
mask
issues.
D
D
Yes,
I
mean
stuart
feels
comfortable
with
what
he
said
on
the
meaning,
so
I
can
transmit
that,
but
if
you
feel
more
comfortable
with
a
email
that
would
explain
your
concerns
questions
you
know
I'd
be
happy
to
share
that
with
our
department
head
and
she
will
probably
talk
to
the
city
manager
and
see
if
the
decision
has
been
made
can
be
accomplished,
because
if
the
city
has
an
obligation
to
reopen
in-person
meetings
because
of
the
state's
regulation,
you
know
I
don't
know
how
that
may
be.
D
B
G
D
Of
course
again
it's
something
that
I
thought
as
immediately
as
soon
as
I
received
the
email
that
I
should
share
with
you,
so
we
have
all
the
time
possible
before
we
move
forward.
So
I
didn't
wait
at
all
to
transmit
this
information
to
commissioners,
because
I
thought
it
was
important.
E
I'm
just
chimed
in
that.
I
I
agree
with
everybody's
concerns
that
I'm
hearing
here,
and
it
seems
awfully
sudden
to
call
this
for
july
when
things
aren't
worked
out
and
in
addition
to
that,
if
the
idea
is
that
it's
kind
of
okay
for
people
to
be
inside
of
their
mask,
I
think
that
is
imperfect.
As
this
zoom
situation
is.
I
think
it's
probably
a
lot
better
than
asking
people
to
be
speaking
with
masks,
even
if
they
are
in
person
you're
not
going
to
know
who's
speaking
you're
not
going
to
see
their
mouth
moving.
E
K
G
O
True,
I
have
young
ones
as
well,
and
I
also
think
that
jumping
into
this
right
away
seems
a
little
rushed
and
you
know
there
does
need
to
be
a
little
bit
of
time.
As
you
know,
more
things
are
considered
and
we
prepare
to
go
back
rather
than
seemingly
being
thrown
back.
G
You
know
it
doesn't
encourage
people
to
to
be
public
servant
to
volunteer
for
a
commission
like
this.
If
this
is
how
it
goes.
K
We
should
all
ask
for
hazardous
risk,
pay.
T
D
I
hear
you
and
I'm
sorry,
carlos.
I
think
that
you
have
expressed
a
number
of
concerns
that
be
happy
to
send
to
the
proper
authorities
in
our
city
of
evanston
government,
so
we
need
to
just
let
them
know
how
you
feel
and.
K
Then
you
can
do
that,
and
I
would
just
remind
all
of
you
that
you
know
listen.
You
know.
I've
spent
my
whole
life
giving
people
my
opinion
whether
they
wanted
it
or
asked
for
it,
and
my
opinion
of
all
of
this
is,
if
we're
unhappy
with
his
decision,
and
we
don't
show
up
in
july,
there
isn't
a
commission
meeting.
L
G
D
I
think
that
honestly,
I
would
prefer
that
we'll
share
this
information
with
the
department
head
and
maybe
get
some
direction
about
it,
and
hopefully
students
will
be
resolved
for
the
next
meeting
same
in
some
way.
So
as
a
courtesy
that
just
you
know
just
given
time
to
give
us
the
information
that
you're
asking.
D
A
And
I'll
say
that
it's
based
on
not
my
own
opinion
but
based
on
the
opinions
of
several
the
commissioners
and
you
know
I
can,
and
since
people
have
different
concerns
that
are
all
valid.
I
think
I
can.
You
know
express
that
as
well
and.
I
G
P
About
it,
I
think
the
primary
thing
is
the
safety
concern,
but
I
also
think
that
they're,
you
know,
as
we
discussed
a
lot
of
unknowns
on
how
it
would
work.
You
know
how
again,
I
think
it
would
be
a
detriment
to
the
efficiency
of
this
commission
and
to
the
efficiency
of
residents
being
able
to
be
heard,
because
if
they
can't
come
and
then
they're
projected,
but
then,
if
if
a
resident
doesn't
have
to
come,
then
why
did
the
commissioners
have
to
come?.
D
D
D
I
would
not
disagree
but
again
if
we
have
to
follow
certain
state
guidelines
and
the
city
is
subject
to
those
they're
trying
to
let
us
know
that
that's
coming,
and
I
have
asked
specifically
to
our
director
to
get
that
information
as
soon
as
possible
from
the
health
department,
the
information
that
you
are
asking
so
that
I
can
share
with
you
as
soon
as
I
get
it,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
would
satisfy
everybody's
concern,
but
at
least
we
are
expressing
our
concerns
that
are
going
to
be
public
and
hopefully
they
will
be
addressed
appropriately
because
there's
an
you
know,
there's
there's
people
who,
like
sarah
said
you
know,
can
we
attract
more
people
to
serve
as
civil
servants?
I
A
And
then
the
question
story
raised
about
the
quorum,
I
mean
to
put
it
in
a
kind
of
more
positive
way.
I
mean
we're.
A
Not
employees
of
the
city
and
for
the
city
to
you
know,
should
make
its
own
decision
as
to
employees
and
I'm
sure
I'll
have
you
know,
I'm
sure
all
employers
are
gonna,
have
extensive
rules
about
you,
know
working
remotely
and
but
we're
not
employees,
and
so
for
the
city
to
make
you
know
kind
of
try
to
make
compulsory
decisions
for
volunteers
seems
like
something
that
you
know
is
potentially
extremely
detrimental
to
the
city,
and
that
should
be
thought
about.
D
It's
good
to
know
your
opinion
in
my
in
my
mother's
thinking,
because
it
really
expresses
what
it
is
and-
and
you
got
a
good
point.
You
have
volunteers
and
I
think
that
my
the
director
of
our
department
is
aware
and
she's
trying
to
navigate
these
waters
as
much
as
you
are.
A
Yeah,
okay,
what
kind
of
summarize
it
by
email
and
summarize
everybody's
feelings
and
then
you'll
have
that
I
think
it'll
help.
A
Thank
you
for
listening,
of
course,
were
there
any
other
issues
you
wanted
to
raise
carlos.
D
I'm
kind
of
a
little
bit
a
loss
at
that
we
did
have
the
the
retreat,
the
you
guys
found
useful,
and
what
could
we
learn
from
it
and
is
there
anything
that
we
can
do
for
other
type
of
events
similar?
And
what
can
we
use
from
that
retreat
to
make
the
commission's
work
more
efficient
to
serve
the
public.
G
I
I
found
it
helpful.
I
think
there
are
other
sort
of
themes
that
would
be
nice
to
cover
you
know.
Climate
resilience
would
be
a
good
one,
for
instance,
salvaging
ceramic
clay,
tiles
for
reuse
or
so
on,
and
perhaps
some
other
types
of
speakers
to
talk
about
their
experiences
with
historic
preservation,
not
necessarily
all
positive.
G
K
Yeah
I
I
agree.
I
thought
the
speakers
were
good.
I
thought
it
was
educational
and
and
very
useful.
I
think,
given
the
questions
that
surround
the
first,
the
the
christian
science
church
that
it
might
be
interesting
to
have
somebody
talk
about
adaptive,
reuse.
K
The
church
is
an
extreme
example,
they're,
not
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
you
can
do
with
a
building
like
that.
It
would
make
a
great
legitimate
theater,
but
there
isn't,
sadly,
a
company
in
evanston
looking
for
a
home,
but
if
you
think
about
the
dilemma
and
the
problems
of
use
that
have
surrounded
the
harley
clark
mansion,
I
think
finding
finding
somebody
who's
really
knowledgeable
about
adaptive.
Reuse
solutions
would
be
interesting,
at
least
to
me
as
an
you
know,.
P
G
I
I
that's
what
I
understood
too.
I
think
I
feel
kind
of
like
that's
what
kade
was
expecting,
but
the
presentations
went.
You
know
kind
of
filled
the
time
so
maybe
having
the
presentations
a
little
shorter,
yeah
or
something,
but
we
had
a
good
chat,
though.
D
P
D
G
But
I
think
that
carlos
I
mean
kade
was
imagining
that
we
would
try
to
think
beyond
just
the
resource
management
stuff.
We
do
right
did
other.
D
G
Well,
I
me
my
understanding
was
that
he
would
he
thought
he
hoped
we
would
talk
about
doing
other
things
beyond
just
the
commission
meetings
and
the
stuff,
not
that
that
isn't
important
but
other
stuff.
You
talked
about
an
awards
program,
some
other
things,
other
things
that
the
outreach
to
the
community,
and
so
on
that
that's
what
we
were
going
to
be
talking
about
right.
We
all.
D
They
felt
that
there's
better
opportunity
to
take
pictures
not
during
the
winter,
and
we
receive
at
least
four
or
five
nominations
so
far
and
potentially
we're
gonna
get
two
more.
So
we
are
preparing
for
that.
G
You,
since
we're
on
that
topic,
do
you
have
jury,
jury
members
yet,
or
you
had
asked
us.
D
G
Can
you
just
tell
us
very
briefly
unless
I'm
the
only
person
that
doesn't
know
this.
D
Right,
so
we
try
to
find
people
who
are
preservation-minded.
They
don't
have
to
be
preservationists
per
se,
but
you
know
architects,
designers,
landscape,
architects,
urban
planners
to
serve
as
jurors,
and
what
we
ask
them
to
do
is
look
at
the
applications
is
not
a
competition.
Is
whether
or
not
it
accomplishes
what
they're
applying
to
do.
There
might
be
some
projects
for
reasons
that
are
very
modest
in
a
neighborhood,
but
do
have
a
more
impact
than
let's
say
a
a
mansion
in
the
lakefront.
G
D
D
J
D
B
D
G
D
I
think
that
my
okay,
so
I
was
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
catch
up
with
things
that
happened
in
the
last
six
months.
Basically,
but
in
my
opinion,
I
would
like
to
see
a
committee,
a
sub-committee
in
the
commission
that
will
think
about
these
issues.
We
discuss
and
formalize
them
so
have
a
sort
of
a
plan
for
the
next.
You
know
couple
years,
so
we
can
put
together
goals
that
are
achievable
and
we
don't
have
to
do
everything
at
once.
D
So
the
first
step
was
to
have
this
presentation
by
two
professionals
that
I
think
unhelpful.
So
they
discuss
certain
things
that
perhaps
we
can
piggyback
on,
or
you
know,
other
educational
opportunities,
not
only
for
the
commission
but
for
the
public.
D
You
know
anything
that
will
enhance
and
reinforce
the
commission's
role
and
enforcement
of
the
ordinance.
D
D
Even
though
they're
asked
to
do
things
that
then
they
want
to
do
and
in
many
ways
you
know
we
we
are
we
are.
We
are
reacting
to
people
rather
than
asking
people
to
do
something.
We
don't
review
anything
until
they
apply
for
something.
So
that's
something
that
I
want
to
make
sure
people
understand
that
we
don't
ask
people
to
do.
We
are
reacting
to
what
they
propose.
A
So
we
did
have
a
new
outreach
efforts
and
suggestions.
I
mean
so
last
year,
so
we
completed
really
two
projects.
A
One
was
a
a
solar
policy,
which
was
you
know,
working
with
different
city
commissions
and
the
sustainability
staff,
to
come
up
with
a
policy
for
solar
projects
and
to
publicize
it
the
other
was
we
worked
on
a
assisted
with
establishment
of
african-american
historical
sites
in
evanston,
and
that
was
also
completed.
A
The
you
know,
the
pandemic
kind
of
you
know
saw
a
lot
of
stuff
completed
and
not
much
started.
I
know
the
one
thing
that
susie
has
suggested
that
we
do
at
the
pandemic
ends
would
be
some
kind
of
workshops
for
people.
A
You
know
like
the
couple
we
saw
tonight
have
recently
bought
historic
homes
to
try
to
present.
You
know
how
you
formulate
a
project,
how
you
prepare,
how
you'll
be
able
to
effectively
come
to
the
commission
and
get
approved.
I
G
D
As
long
as
we
don't
have
a
quorum
is
five,
so
we
can
have
meetings
that
are
out
of
two
people
without
department
of
the
public
meeting,
and
this
is
not
to
hide
anything
just
to
make
it
happen.
D
D
About
well,
we
make
a
proposal
and
what's
the
goal
and
how
it's
achievable,
and
when
do
we
have
the
seminar
the
workshop
so
that
it
could
be
part
of
a
plan
for
the
commission
to
follow
and
show
that
we
are,
you
know,
updated
in
with
information
that
we
are
active
with
the
role
of
the
commission
in
terms
of
what
the
ordinance
calls
for
and
educating
the
public
is
one
of
the
items
that
we
have
and,
in
my
opinion,
education
is
constant,
doesn't
stop
so
whatever
we
did
10
years
ago
about
windows.
D
And
also
there
are
different
materials,
for
instance,
you
know
one
issue
for
us.
Is
you
know
we
hear
from
materials
that
we're
not
too
familiar
or
have
not
been
proposed?
You
know
what
does
it
mean
they're,
not
necessarily
appropriate,
just
because
they're
different
from
where
it
used
to,
I
think,
would
be
a
good
discussion
about
that
and
the
other
issue
is,
you
know
more
communities,
not
only
in
the
united
states,
but
around
the
world
are
trying
to
become
solar.
D
We
have
the
solar
contribution
from
the
two
sub
committees
and
commissions
in
the
city,
but
the
city
is
committed
to
be
solar.
So
how
can
we
balance
that,
even
though
we
have
now
good
participation
from
two
other
bodies?
Are
we
in
the
way
of
achieving
that?
If
we
not
going
to
approve
every
single
panel
that
comes
to
to
to
the
commission's
attention?
D
That's
not
the
purpose
of
you
know.
The
idea
was
that
how
can
streamline
somebody
would
have
to
go
to
the
commission
every
single
time
or
can
stop
approve
something
that
is
installed
in
the
rear
in
the
garage
or
not
in
the
front
elevation?
You
know
we're
trying
to
streamline.
So
that
we
they
know
that
we
are
also
on
board
with
environmental
issues.
I
G
D
I'll
send
out
an
memo
to
you
and
kind
of
propose
something,
and
then
we
can
discuss
at
the
next
meeting
and
see
if
those
committees
that
I'm
suggesting
could
be
doable
and
who
can
volunteer
to
each.