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If
everybody
could
stay
on
mute,
who's
isn't
presenting
I'd.
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Call
to
order
the
tuesday
april
13
21
meeting
of
the
evanston
preservation
commission
declare
a
quorum
is
present
the
as
the
first
mayor
of
business.
We
need
to
vote
to
suspend
the
rules,
so
the
members
and
public
and
participate
electronically
or
by
telephone.
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And
second.
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That,
second,
all
right,
so
then
we
actually
have
to
do
a
roll
call
vote.
So,
commissioner,
reinhold
yes,
commissioner,
cohen.
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And
I
don't
think
anybody
else
joined
it,
I'm
a
yes
aleka
didn't
join
yet
right.
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Okay,
all
right!
Well,
the
motion
carries
so
on
the
agenda.
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It
looks
like
2410,
london
avenue
was
withdrawn,
so
we
do
not
need
to
take
any
action
so
before
we
start
the
new
business.
So
if
reminder
each
person
speaking
will
need
to
introduce
themselves
we'll
have
the
applicant
present
their
application.
Commissioners
can
ask
questions.
I
don't
know
it
sounds
like
we
probably
have
a
little
bit
of
public
comment
tonight,
the
last
members,
the
public,
to
keep
their
remarks
down
to
two
minutes,
we'll
give
everybody
a
turn
that
way
have
any
last
commission
discussion
and
then
a
vote
on
each
matter.
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But
again
as
a
reminder,
please
enter
for
everybody.
Please
introduce
yourself
before
you
start
speaking,
so
the
first
banner
business
is
1024
lakeshore
boulevard.
I
think
I
saw
mr
l
element
here
to
speak.
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Yeah
and
just
as
a
as
a
reminder
to
everyone's
all
the
applicants,
you
know
it's
hard
to
use,
pointer
and
so
forth
with
the
presentation,
but
please
feel
free
to
direct
the
city
staff
as
to
moving
through
the
slides.
So
you
can
illustrate
your
your
talk
as
you
wish.
A
I
Okay,
would
you
like
me
to
introduce
the
project?
Please
sure,
so
the
project
is
for
a
single
family
home
in
the
historic
district.
It's
a
replacing
an
existing
one-story
edition
at
the
rear,
with
a
new
one-story
edition.
That
is
just
about
twice
as
big
as
the
existing
one.
I
I
There
was
a
kitchen
renovation
in
the
last
10
years
that
actually
extended
a
little
bit
into
the
addition.
So
we
have
to
kind
of
keep
that
in
place,
but
from
the
exterior
will
be
completely
new
and
the
it
includes
a
mudroom
and
the
north
west
area,
the
tv
living
area
to
the
south
of
that
and
then
that
walks
out
onto
a
deck
with
the
pergola
similar
to
the
pergola,
that's
being
replaced
south
of
that.
The
existing
one
story.
I
Addition
is
stucco
and
we
are
replacing
it
with
with
an
addition
that
you
can
see
there
that
reflects,
we
think
better,
reflects
and
relates
to
the
existing
building,
which
is
a
painted
gray,
brick
with
stucco
and
vertical
trim
boards.
Above
our
addition,
is
brick
veneer
and
the
brick
will
be
stained,
hopefully,
as
that's
a
little
bit
more
durable
than
painted,
but
it
will
be
gray
like
the
existing
brick.
The
the
roof
is
a
hipped
roof
that
is
set
by
the
essentially
by
the
windows.
I
At
the
second
floor,
trying
to
just
miss
those
and
get
as
much
pitch
as
we
can,
we
do
have
a
vaulted
ceiling
on
the
inside
the
the
only
other
materials
other
than
the
brick
veneer
on
the
on
the
west.
On
the
at
the
rear.
There
is
hearty
panel
panels
below
the
double
hung
windows,
and
there
is
the
roof,
is
a
shingle
roof
and
except
for
a
canopy
at
the
back,
which
has
a
standing,
seam
metal
roof.
I
The
pergola
on
the
south
will
be
cedar
one
one
point
of
interest:
there
is
in
the
existing
edition.
There
are
some
windows
and
I
can
let
the
owner
better
describe
their
providence,
but
they're
salvaged,
art,
glass,
windows
and
part
of
the
project
is
to
remove
those
and
reinstall
them
on
the
north
elevation
sort
of
centered
on
a
millwork
piece
in
the
eating
area,
and
there
is
a
fixed
window,
a
picture
window
covering
that
up,
because
these
windows
are
single
pane.
I
They're
not
gonna,
meet
the
energy
code,
so
we're
putting
a
single
picture
window
on
the
north
and
then
those
decorative
windows
are
set
inside.
So
that
window
looks
a
little
bit
different
from
some
of
the
others.
But
it's
in
service
of
keeping
a
salvaged
two
salvaged
casement
windows.
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C
No,
oh,
I
I
have
a
question
for
you
on
the
north
elevation
since
you're
talking
about
it.
I
now
on.
I
now
understand
why
the
one
big
window
is
not
a
double
hung
like
the
rest
of
the
ones
on
the
house,
and
I
think
it
would
be
funny
to
have
the
mud
room
window,
a
double
hung
if,
if
it's
adjacent
to
something
that
is
not,
but
I'm
wondering
since,
since
that's
the
stare
down
to
that
entry
and
mud
room
area,
can
you
explain
why
these
sills
are
at
different
heights?
I
Width
of
the
window
is
the
same
right,
yeah.
No,
that's
a
good
question
and
it's
something
that
we've
it's
been
a
challenge
because
we're
accommodating
the
existing
windows
in
the
which
are
fairly
tall
with
that
eastern
fixed
window
and
the
fixed
window.
Next
to
that,
if
we
could
probably
lower
that
sill
a
little
bit,
the
still
gets
a
little
bit
too
close
to
where
we're
trying
to
do
coat
hooks
so
that
when
you
come
in
at
the
back
you're
just
a
step
up
from
grade.
C
Okay,
you
know
because
it's
in
a
brick
wall,
the
the
interior
decorative
or
the
inner
decorative
window
aside
it.
It
seems
strange
to
have
a
facade
which
is
primarily
double
hung's
of
that
proportion.
Although
there
are
some
casements
and
then
switch
to
casements,
but
you
know
I,
I
understand
the
reason
for
it.
The
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
is
actually
on
the
west
elevation,
where
you
have
hardy
board
panels
under
the
big
double
hung
windows
the
hardy.
C
I
don't
know
if
the
hardy
board
panels
are
there
to
try
and
panelize
that
section
of
windows
like
the
stucco
and
panelization
of
the
gables.
But
can
you
explain-
and
I
understand
from
the
floor
plan-
which
we
thank
you
for,
including
that
the
room
is
to
be
furnished
with
a
sectional-
that's
against
that
exterior
wall.
But
I'm
wondering
why
that
isn't
brick
and
what
why
you
decided
to
put
panels
there?
They
it's
it
seems
like
you're,
mixing
and
matching
vocabularies,
and
they
seem
a
little
bit
out
of
context.
There.
I
Sure
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
that.
You
know
you're
you're,
absolutely
right.
Stewart,
it's
driven
by
the
the
furniture
plan,
something
that
mary
mentioned
from
the
beginning
was
that
she
wanted
a
very
large
sectional
there
to
watch
for
for
tv
watching
and
so
that
puts
the
sill
of
the
window
up
quite
high,
which,
in
our
our
opinion
from
the
backyard,
would
would
leave
a
very
tall
area
of
brick
wall
and
it
would
maybe
feel
fairly
massive
from
the
back,
even
with
some
foundation
planting.
I
And
so
we
tried
to
pick
up
on
the
stucco
with
vertical
trim
boards
that
the
gables
have
and
reflect
that,
and
I
don't
know
kate.
Is
there
an
exterior
elevation?
I
thought
we
had
an
exterior,
I'm
sorry
perspective
further
down.
I
I
Yeah,
I
think
those
are
axos.
I
thought
we
had
a
perspective
after
that
yeah
there
we
go
yeah,
so
the
the
drawing
on
the
right
there
thanks
kade.
I
I
think
that
kind
of
shows
that
we're
picking
up
the
vertical
trim
with
stucco
and
and
if
the,
if
the
concern
is
about
the
material.
Obviously
the
original
home
has
stucco
we
could.
We
could
use
stucco.
It
was
simply
you
know.
I
The
carpenter
can
install
this
as
opposed
to
separate
trade,
but
we
felt
that
it's
you
know
relating
to
the
existing
house
and
keeping
the
scale
of
the
of
the
elements
of
the
one
story
edition
feeling
comfortable
in
the
backyard.
I
And
the
other
thing
I
guess
I
should
mention
is
that
there
is
a
a
juliet
balcony
and
christy
in
our
office
designed
the
the
railing.
It
reflects
this,
the
sort
of
leaded
glass,
the
pattern
and
the
lead
glass.
It's
not
the
same,
but
it's
kind
of
evokes
that
and
because
that
juliet
balcony
comes
down
to
the
floor
and
the
windows
were
only
going
to
come
down
to
about
30
inches.
We
felt
like
that.
A
I
realize
why
you
avoided
the
gable
end,
just
given
the
width
of
the
addition
and
how
high
it
would
be
and
the
problems
with
the
windows,
but
did
you
consider
doing
what
the
previous
edition
had
done,
which
means
bump
out
that
portion
with
with
that
type
of
roof
and
then
leaving
a
space
and
a
lower
roof?
I
mean
that's
pretty
much
what
you
have
in
the
existing
addition
and
you
paid
for
that
portion
of
the
kitchen
before
you
went
out
for
the
rest
of
that
large
space.
I
Well,
with
with
a
you,
I
think
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
with
the
width
of
the
addition
to
have
a
gable.
It
would
end
up
being
a
very
shallow
gable
and
I
felt
like
a
very
shallow
gable.
Just
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
house,
and
so
it
was
better
to
have
a
hipped
roof.
I
The
other
thing
is
that
it
was
one
of
the
interior
goals
was
to
have
a
cathedral
ceiling,
and
if
we
were
to
have
a
gable
roof,
that's
kind
of
separated
by
a
little
connector
piece.
It
would
have
it
wouldn't
have
related
to
the
space.
In
other
words,
we
would
have
had
a
five
or
ten
foot
band
of
low
ceiling
and
then
a
and
then
a
higher
ceiling,
which
didn't
really
reflect
what
we
were
trying
to
do
with
the
space
and-
and
we
just
really
didn't
want
to.
A
Well,
you
actually
could
have
brought
out
the
one
portion
and
then
essentially
turned
the
roof,
and
if
you
look
at
your
plan,
you've
got
the
kitchen
and
the
eating
area
on
the
north
and
the
other
space
to
the
south.
So
you
could
have
essentially
had
a
gable
coming
where
the
other
one
was
and
then
turned
with
a
gable
going
the
other
way
and
still
done
it,
I'm
not
trying
to
redesign
the
whole
thing.
C
Well,
tom
tom,
I
I'm
okay
with
the
roof.
My
redesign
would
be
to
keep
the
sides
brick
to
turn
the
corner
and
brick
because
they're
equal
width
on
both
sides,
so
they
would
read
as
peer
and
then
to
do
the
center
section
in
stucco
so
that
the
panels
below
the
windows
are
part
of
the
vocabulary
of
the
gable
ends.
But
you
know
it's
your
it's
it's
your
design.
I
think
you've
done
a
nice
job
and
I'm
you
know
certainly
going
to
be
willing
to
vote
to
approve
it.
I
Well,
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
the
piers,
because
that
was,
I
think
we
also
have
a
perspective
from
the
front
and
the
the
porch
does
have
piers
as
opposed
to
wood
posts,
or
something
like
that.
So
that
was
something
that
we
were
mindful
of
by
having
those
two
foot
piers
those
sections
of
brick.
It's
trying
to
relate
to
the
front
a
little
bit
that
way
as
well.
A
For
1024
lakeshore
boulevard
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
project,
21
pres
o33,
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
demolition
of
the
existing
non-original
edition
and
the
construction
of
a
single
flooring.
Masonry
edition,
with
deck
and
pergola
at
the
rear,
applicable
standards
for
construction,
one
through
five
and
seven
through
fifteen
and
four
demolition
standards.
One
through
five.
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J
And
mark
yeah
just
really
quick,
I'm
I'm
here
also,
although
I
know
don't
know
if
I'm
logged
in,
I
was
a
couple
minutes
late.
Okay,
thank
you.
Bye,
hi,
everyone.
How
are
you
liking.
G
K
Yes,
yes,
perfect,
so
my
dad
and
I
run
custom
built
fence
and
deck,
and
we
met
with
the
homeowner
warren
about
re-um
decking
his
front
porch,
with
a
azek
pvc
porch
board
upon
inspection
in
the
field.
We
noticed
that
the
existing
brick
columns
supporting
the
porch
were
deteriorated,
allowing
us
to
stick
our
hands
through
because
of
the
deterioration.
K
So
upon
that
inspection
we
decided
the
the
best
route
forward
was
to
reconstruct
this
porch
with
a
with
new
concrete
piers,
a
new
frame
substructure,
new
deck,
new
porch
board,
railing
fascia
and
skirting
we
plan
on
leaving
the
dimensions
exactly
the
same
as
far
as
the
size
and
layout
of
the
porch,
the
columns
and
column
capital
supporting
the
roof
will
be
left,
as
is
untouched.
We
will
temporarily
support
the
roof.
K
While
we
build
the
new
frame
as
far
as
material
choices,
the
homeowner
would
like
to
go
with
the
azex,
solid
pvc,
porch
board,
3
and
8
inches
wide
tongue
and
groove
product.
K
K
A
couple
notes
that
I
did
want
to
clear
up.
As
far
as
the
railing
proposed
is
going
to
be
to
code
36
inches
in
height.
We
can
of
course
adjust
that
to
match
the
existing
height.
If
the
commission
would
like
us
to
do
that,
baluster
spacing
is
typical
for
the
railing,
as
I've
noted,
which
is
about
three
and
three
quarter
spacing
again.
We
can
adjust
this
to
match
the
original.
K
If
the
commission
would
like
the
other
change
is
going
to
be,
we
would
have
three
intermediate
posts
on
the
entire
project,
not
including
the
two
bottom
stairs
that
would
have
caps
on
them,
which
would
be
a
slight
change
to
their
current
railing,
which
has
a
continuous
top
rail,
and
that
is
just
due
to
the
design
of
the
azek
product
or
timbertech
product
they
don't
allow.
They
haven't,
come
up
with
a
over-the-top
cap.
K
I
think
that's
covers
pretty
much.
What
we're
gonna
ask
the
commission
to
approve
I'm
in
the
alternative.
If
the
commission
doesn't
agree
with
the
timber
tech
railing
system,
even
though
it
is
very
close
in
design,
we
could
do
a
painted
wood
cedar
system
to
match
the
exact
railing.
K
As
is
again,
the
homeowner
would
prefer
the
low
maintenance
option,
which
would
also
keep
the
aesthetics
of
the
house
in
in
visual,
in
good
visual
condition
for
years
to
come,
without
needing
the
continuous
maintenance
or
rotting
issues
of
the
painted
cedar
wood,
and
I
think
that
covers
everything
that
I
needed
to
get
through
feel
free
to
ask
as
many
questions
as
you.
If
you'd
like
again,
my
dad
john,
is
also
here,
so
he
may
jump
in
as
well.
If
he
has
something
to
clear
up
with
you
as
well.
D
A
C
Again,
yeah
yeah,
the
one
thing
that
that
I
think
I
would
ask
is
that
the
spacing
between
the
balusters
be
matched
one
of
the
things
that
I
particularly
hate
about.
C
A
lot
of
neo-traditional
new
construction
is
that
they
always
get
the
baluster
spacing
wrong
and
it
looks
like
somebody
skimped
and
didn't
buy
an
extra
three
or
four
balusters
the
proportion
of
the
space
between
them
to
the
thickness
of
the
baluster,
which
I
assume
you're
going
to
match
as
well.
I
think,
is
critically
important
in
terms
of
the
way
the
railings
look.
The
only
other
thing
that
you're
really
asking
us
about
which
you
can
see
in
this
photograph
is
at
the
end.
C
On
the
left
hand,
side,
the
intermediate
newell
post
goes
to
the
underside
of
the
of
the
cap
railing
rather
than
up
through
it
with
that
railing
dying
against
the
sides
of
it.
I'm
not
sure
you
know
it
may
seem
minor,
I'm
not
sure
how
to
evaluate
the
difference.
John.
Normally,
you
should
understand
that
we
ask
all
submissions
show
us
before
and
after
in
this
case,
I
know
you've.
D
Yeah,
well
I
mean,
based
on
the
I
mean
it
did,
show
the
photographs
of
a
you
know:
different
documentary,
asic,
material
and.
D
C
The
material
and
the
spacing
are
independent
issues.
D
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think
there
are
multiple
reasons
why
the
the
proposed
you
know
visible
parts
of
the
project
are
not
you
know,
concerned
about.
You
know
parts
you
walk
on,
but
you
know,
do
look
different
and
feel
new,
rather
than
a
restoration
of
the
existing
much
older
structure.
K
Sure,
as
far
as
the
spacing
of
the
balusters
and
the
height
of
the
railing
we
can,
we
can
certainly
match
the
the
existing.
If
we
order
custom
packs,
we
can
determine
the
the
spacing
between
balusters,
that's
not
an
issue
along
with
the
height.
K
As
far
as
the
discernible
differences,
I
would
sort
of
equate
it
to
this
house
as
hardy,
siding,
which
is
a
man-made
product
discernible
from
the
sidewalk,
I
would
say
a
trained
eye
could
discern
the
difference
as
far
as
somebody
not
familiar
with
building
materials,
I'm
not
sure
the
reason
the
the
ordinary
man
would
be
able
to
discern
the
difference
between
the
the
railing
painted
the
painted
wood
or
the
composite
product.
C
K
So
it's
option
it's
optional.
If
you
want
it
to
be
so
the
depending
on
what
evanston's
building
department
says
standard
is
36
inches
required
at
this
elevation
of
a
porch.
But
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
the
ability
to
overrule
them
on
that
or
who
you
follow.
So
we
can
do
whichever.
J
K
That
is
correct.
The
existing
balusters
are
two
inches
in
width.
The
azac
timbertech
pallisters
are
an
inch
and
a
quarter
width
yeah.
G
I
also
have
a
question
about
the:
are
you
planning
to
replace
the
railing
that
goes
up?
The
stair
too.
K
K
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
I'd,
prefer
the
use
of
the
the
cedar.
The
asic
has
a
very
kind
of
smooth
appearance
and
different
shape,
and
I
guess,
as
somebody
who
has
a
lot
of
installed,
some
basic
fencing,
it's
you
don't
have
to
paint
it,
but
it's
actually
much
more
brittle
than
wood
in
terms
of
impact
damaging
it.
D
But
I
I
just
on
the
whole,
don't
I
mean
that's
neither
here
nor
there?
I
I
guess.
On
the
whole,
I
think
that
inevitably
it's
going
to
feel
newer
and
not
be
cons
and
whereas
the
cedar
would
be,
you
know,
there's
just
that.
You
know
you
can
the
grain
the
feel
of
the
wood
and
the
exact
shape
would
be
closer
to
the
existing
home.
Sure.
K
I
understand
the
field
perspective.
I
I
think
the
important
thing
to
stress
is
the
appearance
from
the
the
the
overall
appearance.
Not
so
much.
I
didn't
realize
the
feel
was
gonna
be
important
just
because
the
feel
of
of
the
siding
change,
the
feel
of
the
of
the
porch
board
change.
Really,
I
don't
think
changes
the
impact
of
it
from
a
historical
viewpoint.
K
It's
really,
I
think
the
thing
to
stress
is
the
ease
of
maintenance
of
it
for
the
homeowner
to
keep
it
looking
in
such
a
condition
without
letting
it
go
without
the
maintenance
that
that
wood
requires,
I
think,
having
wood
that
requires.
Maintenance
can
impact
the
neighborhood
negatively
if
somebody
is
not
able
to
upkeep
with
that
maintenance.
K
So
I
think
that's
something
to
consider
as
well,
where
what's
the
what's,
the
overall
feel
of
the
neighborhood
that
you
wanna,
that
you
wanna
keep
if
it's
a
if
it's
a
well-preserved,
a
well-maintained
neighborhood,
which
makes
it
easier
on
the
homeowner.
I
think
the
the
timbertech
system
is
is
a
better
option,
but
I
do
understand
your
viewpoint
of.
Of
course,
the
cedar
is
going
to
have
a
different
feel
to
it.
From
a
visual
perspective,
I
think
it'd
be
very
minimal.
You.
C
Know
from
from
my
experience,
smooth
sawn
cedar
with
a
couple
of
coats
of
paint
on
it
mark,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
tell
the
difference
from
from
azac
the
biggest
difference
in
the
using
all
of
these
multiple
synthetic
materials
combined
with
wood.
Is
they
all
expand
and
contract
at
different
rates
on
old,
victorian
homes?
My
big
thing
is
that
a
lot
of
the
synthetic
materials
now
come
with
a
faux
grain
imprinted
on
them.
I
don't
know
whether
azak
is
available
that
way,
but
I
would
it
is
it.
K
You,
okay,
it's
a
reversible
product,
so
we
can
either
do
smooth
or
or
wood
grain,
whichever
you
prefer
since.
K
Sure
sure
and
just
a
reminder,
the
timbertech
railing
is
not
a
pvc
system,
it
is
a
wood,
fiber
plastic
mixture.
So
it
is
a
painted
product.
It's
not
a
not
a
vinyl
product,
so
I
think
that's
something
to
also
mention.
A
C
A
K
Yeah,
absolutely
as
far
as
the
baluster
size
in
wood,
it's
most
likely
an
inch
and
7
8
rough
sawn.
Lumber
that
was
painted.
K
The
timbertech
system
is
a
inch
and
a
quarter
width
and,
if,
like
I
said
before,
we
can
adjust
that
spacing
to
match.
The
old
railing
basically
has
a
50
openness.
We
can
do
that
as
well.
So
if
the
azac
baluster
is
an
inch
and
a
quarter,
we
can
do
the
space
to
match
an
inch
and
a
quarter
to
keep
that
50
percent.
If
you,
if
you
prefer
that.
A
Also
going
to
be
a
taller
narrower
gap,
but
you're
right
now,
you
were
still
I
mean
what
we
have.
There
is
still
the
three
and
a
half,
so
I
think
we
have
to
resolve
that
and
it
seems
as
if
we
still
haven't
resolved
the
issue
of
the
intermediate
post,
which
you
can't
do
in
the
timber
attack,
slash
azac,
but
you
could,
in
wood
and
little
by
little.
A
A
lot
of
the
issues
seem
to
get
resolved
if
you
did
it
in
wood
versus
some
man-made
material,
but
that
that's,
I
think,
an
issue
that
we
all
have
to
resolve
here,
because
it
seems
as
if
a
lot
of
the
things
we're
asking
for
work
with
a
wood
system
and
don't
work
as
well
with
the
you
know,
with
the
artificial
system.
A
K
Sure
yeah
so
going
one
by
one
baluster
wise,
we're
an
inch
and
a
quarter
versus
inch
and
seven
eighths
spacing
wise.
We
can
match
again
that
top
rail
is
going
to
be
the
one
thing
we
can't
match.
K
Correct
yeah,
the
paint
is
hidden
a
lot
of
it
until
you
get
your
hands
on
it
in
person
where
the
the
top
caps
meet
all
those
columns,
the
the
it's
decayed,
the
wood
relatively
severely,
that
replacement
would
be
necessary
at
this
stage.
K
And
again,
if
the
sticking
point
is
the
timber
tech
system,
we
can
make
you
a
railing
to
look
exactly
like
this
aside
from
the
height
which
would
be
determined
by
the
building
department.
K
K
So
each
side
of
the
of
the
of
the
porch,
if
I'm
looking
at
the
porch
from
top
down
the
left
and
right
sides
because
of
the
span,
it's
12
feet,
the
max
span
on
asic
railing
without
an
intermediate
post
is
10
feet.
So
there
would
be
an
intermediate
post
with
a
cap
on
each
side,
along
with
the
one
on
the
front.
C
Yeah
in
in,
in
a
way
that's
as
a
detail,
almost
a
bigger
change
than
the
change
in
dimension
for
the
balusters
in
their
spacing,
because
that
intermediate
post
is
going
to
come
up
above
the
railing
and
then
have
a
cap
on
it.
K
A
B
B
I
do
think
adding
the
little
intermediate
post
that
will
stick
up
higher
than
the
railing
in
some
ways
distracts
and
detracts
a
bit
from
those
major
columns
right
now
you
kind
of
the
intermediates
kind
of
disappear,
because
it's
all
under
the
continuous
cap.
I
worry
that
they're
going
to
draw
too
much
attention
to
themselves
if
they're
standing
up
taller
than
the
railing.
C
C
Yeah
the
well,
they
just
move
a
little
bit
differently,
but.
K
Yeah,
unfortunately,
there's
no
way
to
attach
a
cedar
painted
cap
to
the
azek
system
because
of
how
it
goes
together,
it
sort
of
it.
The
azik
systems
consist
of
a
bottom
rail,
a
top
rail
and
then
a
cap
that
slides
over
that
top
rail.
Isn't
all
of
that
glued.
It's
not
it's!
It's
interlocked.
J
Again,
if,
if
it's
you
know,
even
though
there's
rot,
if
you
have
to
repair
the
rotted
elements,
if
it's
less
than
a
certain
percentage,
then
you
get
around
having
to
raise
the
entire
railing
height.
J
You
know,
I
believe,
if
you,
if
re,
if
you
repair
and
you're
able
to
repair
and
just
replace
the
rotted
elements,
and
it's
less
than
you
know,
I
don't
know
what
their
percentage
is.
But
I
would
bet
you
would
be
able
to
repair
it
and
keep
the
existing
railing
height
instead
of
having
to
raise
the
railing,
which
always
makes
a
big
visual
change
to
a
porch.
K
Sure,
as
far
as
the
height
we're
talking
about
five
inches
in
height
again,
this
would
not
be
a
railing.
We
would
recommend
for
repair
because
of
the
rot
when
you
start
trying
to
repair
and
screw
into
some
when
you
try
to
screw
into
rotted
wood
you're
left
with
you're
left
with
a
mess
and
it's
sort
of
a
never-ending
game
of
catching
the
catching
up
to
the
to
the
rock.
K
K
It
would
be
now
the
one
thing
to
note
on
the
painted
option.
This
is
painted
at
our
supply
factory,
it's
it's
kiln,
dried
for
30
days
and
then
it's
cleaned
and
bright,
and
then
it's
painted
two
coats
with
a
a
30-year
paint
guarantee
all
four
surface.
All
all
surfaces
get
covered
in
the
painting
process,
so
it
protects
the
wood
the
best
versus
after
the
fact
staining,
which
does
not
get
all
sides.
K
Yeah
everything
that's
holding
water,
everything
that
holds
water,
the
water
sits
where
the
balusters
meet
the
the
bottom
rail
and
that
all
just
accelerates
the
rod
on
on
the
wood.
D
Okay,
in
terms
of
the
commission,
is
there
a
does?
Someone
want
to
propose
a
means
of.
H
D
B
H
Thank
you.
My
name
is
warren
lupel,
I'm
the
owner
of
the
property
that
you've
been
discussing,
we're
not
new
to
this
property.
We've
lived
here
for
45
years.
The
porch
is
about
80
years
old.
It's
in
serious
deterioration.
It's
really
in
danger,
at
least
at
one
end
of
collapse.
H
My
next-door
neighbor,
from
whom
I
got
this
idea,
has
the
porch
that
I'm
asking
about
that.
I'm
asking
for
has
his
and
his
building
is
older
than
mine,
and
mine
is
only
125
years
old,
the
railings
that
you're
talking
about
it
being
31
inches,
they're,
actually
34
inches.
I
know
because
I
measured
them
and
the
contractor
at
the
time
told
me
well:
the
code
is
36
inches.
I
said
fine,
then,
when
we
do
it
we'll
make
it
36
inches.
H
If
that's
it,
if
it's
not,
if
it's
not
code,
now
the
the
the
width
of
the
of
the
railings
were
not
code,
but
when
we
finish
this
job
they
would
be
cold.
It
is
going
to
look
because
of
my
next-door
neighbor,
who
I've
got
a
perfect
view
of,
because
it's
my
next-door
neighbor.
It
looks
exactly
the
same
as
it
did
before,
except
it
knew
so.
I
mean
you
know
my
gosh.
H
It
seems
to
me
that
we're
we're
not
changing
the
appearance
of
it
of
the
historical
thing
it
might
be
different
to
folks
as
as
sophisticated
as
you
are.
If
you
came
up
on
the
porch,
but
even
from
the
sidewalk
it
would,
unlike
it
would
likely
not
look
any
different,
and
I
just
think
that
that
that
putting
us
through
this-
I
don't
know
what
we're
gonna
do.
If
you
I'm
not
going
to
rebuild
it
into
all
wood,
I'm
just
not
going
to
do
that.
H
I
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
do,
but
it's
it's
just
it's
creating
something
we
don't
want,
and
while
I
appreciate
the
fact
of
the
historical
district
and
you
have
to
comply
with
it,
it's
looks.
I
thought
that
count,
how
it
looks
and
we
talked
about
that
with
with
the
contractor,
and
it
will
look
exactly
like
my
next
door.
H
Neighbors
does
who's
made
of
the
same
material,
we're
talking
about
including
the
rails,
the
balusters
and
and
his
porch
is
bigger
than
mine,
but
other
than
that
it
has
the
same
kind
of
rails,
the
same
kind
of
balusters,
the
same
kind
of
caps,
and
it's
made
out
of
the
same
kind
of
material.
I'm
asking
the
commission
to
approve
for
us.
So
after
45
years
and
an
80
year
old
porch,
I
don't
see
why
that
should
make
the
difference.
D
F
I
can't
speak
to
what
the
neighbor's
situation
was,
because
I
don't
know
what
that
railing
looked
like
and
if
they
had
posts,
but
I
think
the
biggest
issue
is
the
top
rail
and
the
continuity
of
that
top
rail
and
the
fact
that
the
change
to
the
composite
system
will
change
that
aesthetic
and
that
style
which,
from
what
kade
was
saying,
is
still
from
the
early
1900s.
F
So
in
my
opinion,
it
still
would
be
considered
historic.
It
sounds
like
if
the
homeowner
is
not
willing
to
go
with
the
cedar
painted
system,
then
either
we
can
make
the
motion
and
vote
on
the
azac
system.
If
that
is
desirable
by
the
homeowner
or
if
they
would
be
willing.
I
I
would
prefer
to
make
a
motion
for
the
cedar
painted
option.
K
Let
me
just
jump
in
real
quick,
I'm
not
hey.
I
don't
know
if
warren
can
hear
me
warren
if,
if
we
can
keep
everything
asic
aside
from
the
railing,
would
you
be
okay
with
just
doing
the
railing
in
pre-stained
wood
and
keeping
everything
else,
asic.
H
K
C
Think
I
think
the
question
that
was
being
raised
was
not
so
much
about
the
material,
because
I
I
think
you
should
be
able
to
build
rebuild
things
in
and
materials
that
require
less
maintenance.
I
think
it
was
the
continuity
of
the
top
rail.
So
are
you
telling
us
that
you
can
manufacture
a
top
rail
like
that
out
of
some
sort
of
composite
material
or
pvc
material
and
assemble
it
so
that
it
will
look
like
the
picture
we're
all
looking
at
or.
K
No,
unfortunately,
I'm
not
able
to
replicate
this
railing
with
the
man-made
products
without
having
to
go
with
the
the
taller
newer
posts.
So
I
would
need
to
make
the
entire
railing
out
of
pre-stained
white
cedar
to
get
this
look
aside
from
the
height.
F
So
I
have
no
objection
to
the
decking
proposed
the
alternate
material
for
the
decking.
I
obviously,
like
you
said
stuart.
I
just
wanted
the
continuity
of
the
top
rail
and
I
believe
john
had
mentioned,
as
he
just
did
again,
that
he
would
need
to
switch
to
the
cedar
to
achieve
that
aesthetic
and
then
he
would
not
be
able
to
achieve
it
with
the
azac.
F
I'm
sorry
with
the
I
think
it
was
the
fiber
yeah,
the
timber
attack,
yeah
sure
yeah,
so
my
suggestion
would
be
if
the
homeowner
was
open
to
it.
My
suggestion
would
be
is
that
all
materials
stay
the
same
as
proposed
for
the
decking,
but
that
the
railing
switches
to
the
pre-stained
cedar
with
faith
spacing
of
the
balusters
that
matches
this
existing
aesthetic.
C
Can
I
add
something
in
here
one
one
of
the
things
that
azac
advertises
about
their
pvc
materials
which
which
they
make
in
dimension
lumber
sizes,
is
that
you
can
run
it
through
a
router.
You
can
mill
a
shape
into
it,
so
you
know
susie.
Would
you
be
happy
if,
if
that
was
a
custom,
milled
railing
out
of
made
out
of
azak
for
a
wide
azac
board,
I
I.
F
G
K
Yeah,
unfortunately,
again
the
way
the
railing
goes,
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
video
of
how
it
goes
together
just
so,
you
can
see
why
I
can't
attach
a
custom
route
product
to
the
top.
If
we
look
at
the
railing,
this
is
sort
of
a
cross
section.
Okay
and
the
top
cap
slides
over
okay,
like
this.
C
G
K
It
consists
of
the
bottom
rail
here,
the
balusters,
a
top
rail
and
then
the
cap,
so
the
cap
slides
over
the
top
rail
to
to
be
connected.
So
as
much
as
we
would
like
to
do
a
a
custom,
routed
piece,
it
can't
connect
to
this
without
being
pre-manufactured
by
azac.
C
What
we're
suggesting
is
that
you
modify
the
system.
Those
balusters
can
in
fact
be
attached
to
a
railing
with
a
groove
routed
in
the
bottom
by
simply
putting
blocking
between
the
balusters
in
that
groove
and
attaching
it
all
that's
the
way
railings
were
made
in
wood
for
hundreds
of
years.
So
one
of
the
things
azac
advertises
about
their
product
is
that
you
can
use
it
just
like
wood.
So.
A
A
K
In
tech,
I
have
not
heard
of
it,
but
I
can
certainly
look
it
up.
It's
not
something.
I've
come
across
of.
A
I'm
not
gonna
get
into
manufacturers
reps,
but
they're
primarily
out
of
new
jersey.
They
they
make
a
lot
more
historic
profile.
They
can
actually
build
the
profile
you
need
and
you
can
find
them
on
their
website
and
if
you
need
to,
I
think
heinz
is
their
local
distributor
sure,
but
the
I
mean
I
think.
B
We're
getting,
I
feel
like
we're
getting
the
weeds,
but
I
think
I
I
could
make
a
motion.
I
feel
like
we're
kind
of
all
on
the
same
page,
more
or
less
at
this
point,
so
I'll
I'll,
try
and
make
a
motion,
and
if
I,
if
you
feel
like
I've,
gone
off
track
jump
in
but
I'll
move,
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
project
at
sorry,
I
lost
the
address
1108
hinman
avenue
case
21prez0034.
B
With
the
understanding
that
the
project
would
be
built
as
submitted
with
the
with
one
change,
and
the
change
would
be
that
the
railing
would
be
configured
to
match
the
baluster
size
and
or
baluster
spacing
of
the
existing
railing
and
have
a
continuous
top
rail
to
match
the
existing
railing
and
it's
up
to
the
owner
and
contractor
to
figure
out
whether
that
can
be
done
in
composite
or
whether
it
needs
to
be
painted
wood.
To
achieve
that.
G
Appearance
they
also
and
about
the
baluster,
spacing
I
prefer
that
the
new
yes
good.
A
B
B
And
so
that's
the
standards
for
alteration
one
through
ten
would
apply.
Okay,
second,.
B
Start
was
was
that
it
was
a
little
muddled.
Was
that
clear
enough
for
everyone.
A
A
D
That's
what
I
thought
all
right,
commissioner,
reinhold
aye,
commissioner
cohen
aye,
mr
dudnik
aye,
commissioner
idol
all
right.
Commissioner
bowden.
G
C
D
All
right,
so,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Thank
you
all
right.
The
last
mayor
of
new
business
is
1048
forest
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district.
M
Hello,
yeah
hi,
john
eichler,
okay,
let's
scroll
through
this
is
kind
of
involved,
but
it
is,
you
know,
a
very
beautiful
home,
I'm
sure
you're,
all
aware
of
it.
1048
forest
1894
by
john
t,
wilson,
jennings
and
jules
wegman.
M
Now
what
has
happened
to
this
house
over
time
is
a
little
confusing,
so
bear
with
me.
There
has
been
additions
to
the
south
from
the
original
building.
This
actual
plat
of
survey
is
not
right.
It
shows
the
semi-circle
in
the
middle
of
the
front
and
in
fact
it's
a
little
bit
to
the
north,
because
there's
a
living
room
addition
going
to
the
south,
so
the
surveyors
screwed
up,
but
the
there's
an
addition
to
the
living
room
to
the
south
there's
a
bay
that
was
added
with
another
room
adjacent
to
it.
M
That
is
now
the
library.
So
we
have
one
two,
three,
four
five
editions
and
we
traced
this
building
through.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
them
or
not
cade,
but
it's
oh
there.
It
is.
B
M
That's
not
showing
up
there.
It
is
through
the
sanborn
fire
maps
and
the
original
house
is
on
the
upper
left
there
you
can
see
and
then
there's
the
gray
editions
now
we're
we're
saying
that
1941
only
because
that
was
the
year
of
the
sanborn
map,
so
the
living
room
edition
to
the
south
of
the
main
box,
we
think,
was
a
living
room
with
a
sleeping
porch
above
it,
which
was
then
enclosed
and
then
there's
the
half
circle
bay,
the
addition
out
the
back
and
then
in
the
1950s.
M
M
M
It
does
very
little,
I
think,
for
the
architecture
of
the
house,
the
roofs
just
kind
of
come
slamming
in
to
the
side
of
the
entablature
of
the
main
house,
and
we
can't
begin
to
imagine
why
it
was
built
unless
somebody
had
lots
of
in-laws
or
servants
we're
not
sure,
but
regardless
we
were
asked
to
come
in
and
look
at
this
project
by
the
owners
and
had
drawn
up
some
plans
for
a
kitchen
family
room
on
the
lower
level,
and
we
just
the
more
we
thought
about
the
project.
M
We
began
to
think
that
it
may
be
throwing
a
good
money
after
bad.
The
upstairs
is
would
be
three
or
four
additional
bedrooms
of
which
they
have
five
or
six
already
it's.
What
it
comes
down
to
is.
This
is
a
10
000
square
foot
house,
which
is
believe
it
or
not
too
big,
and
it's
very
difficult
to
make
good
usable
space
out
of
what
we
call
the
dorm
room
addition
to
the
west.
M
So
our
proposal
is
to
take
down
the
1941
edition.
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
and
then
to
infill
on
the
well
there's
the
addition
from
the
south
elevation,
you
can
see
there's
bay
windows
with
window
patterns
that
have
very
little
to
do
with
anything.
There's
a
shed
edition.
That's
been
pushed
up
next
to
a
story
and
a
half
somewhat
neoclassical
bay
on
the
south
and
a
bunch
of
very
inexpensive
double
on
windows.
M
M
Porch
an
extra
bathroom,
the
kitchen
would
be
on
the
lower
level
of
the
edition
so
that
it
would
kind
of
activate
the
family
room
which
is
in
the
bay
on
the
on
the
on
the
south
elevation
and
above
that
would
be
the
master
bath,
which
is
then
adjacent
to
the
master
bedroom,
which
is
in
the
curved
bay.
On
the
second
floor.
M
So
in
the
end,
you
know
you
have
this,
you
know
very
important
house
and
our
goal
really
is
to
make
it
a
little
bit
smaller
with
these
removals.
In
addition,
it's
down
about
1200
square
feet
and
it's
much
more
functional
in
the
sense
that
these
the
kitchen
and
the
and
the
master
bath
kind
of
makes
the
rest
of
the
house
work
better.
M
I
don't
know
if
you
remember,
but
this
house
was
on
the
market
for
many
years,
and
it
was
primarily
because
of
the
the
big
bump
on
the
west
side,
an
old
kitchen,
no
family,
room,
extra
rooms
with
bathrooms
that
no
one
knew
what
they
did
and
it
was
a
very
tough
sell.
And
so
you
know
the
the
owners
want
to
make
this.
You
know
maintain
this
as
being
an
important
house
and
and
basically
make
it
better
without
destroying
the
historic
character
of
the
home.
M
So
the
addition
all
the
materials
will
match
the
house
we're
not
exploring
the
use
of
any
artificial
materials.
If
they're
gonna
have
to
paint
the
house,
they
have
to
paint
the
whole
thing.
There's
not
gonna,
be
one
of
it.
One
quarter
of
it
that
that
holds
up
without
paint,
so
it'll
all
be
cedar.
Siding
wooden
trim,
everything
to
match
the
original
house,
so
yeah
the
now
and
researching
this
edition.
M
It
was
done
by
a
guy
named
h,
ring
claussen,
who
was
not
described
as
an
architect,
but
a
local
remodeler,
who
was
the
son
of
a
plumbing
contractor
and
remodeled
some
other
homes
in
evanston.
At
the
time-
and
the
important
thing
I
guess
to
remember
is
that
there's
there's
many
beautiful
rooms
in
this
house.
M
The
stair
hall
is
incredible:
the
living
room
is
fantastic,
the
master
bedroom
and,
and
in
this
proposal,
all
of
the
important
rooms,
the
dining
room,
will
retain
and
remain,
as
is
so
there'll
be
no
impact
on
on
those
rooms
which
I
think
really
give
it
the
historical
character
that
we
all
appreciate.
M
This
will
also
provide
better
access
to
the
gardens
on
the
south,
so
it
will
be
a
more
livable
house
with
outdoor
space
and
in
the
end
you
know
what
we
will
do
to
this
house
is
make
it.
You
know
more
sustainable
in
the
sense
that
it
will
consume
much
less
energy
and
it'll
work
in
a
way,
that's
more
in
keeping
with
today's
lifestyles.
Without
you
know,
12
in-laws
and
six
servants.
M
So
I
think
that's
it,
you
might
just
want
to
go
through.
Did
you
put
the
photographs
in
or
is
that
not?
Oh
there's
the
existing
addition
to
the
west
and
you
can
see
how
the
the
hip
roof
just
kind
of
slams
it
in
tablature.
It
actually
covers
over
part
of
the
dormer
on
the
top
floor,
which
is
very
unfortunate,
go
on,
and
then
this
is
the
new
proposed
west
elevation
with
the
screen
porch
and
the
mud
room
and
there's
a
little
work
room
for
the
kids
on
the
north
side.
M
Think
there
we
there
it
is,
as
it
was
first
built,
the
balusters
are
missing
off
the
third
floor,
but
the
widow's
walk
is
still
there
and
there's
a
funny
little
oops,
and
this
is
the
rendering
which
is
equally
gorgeous
by
jennings,
who
later
went
on
and
did
the
agricultural
building
at
the
university
of
wisconsin-madison.
M
With
you
can
see
that
it's
an
addition
of
very
little
architectural
note
or
character,
as
opposed
to
the
image
below,
where
you
see
the
front
of
the
house
there
we
go,
which
would
be
would
for
remain,
as
is
that
would
be
untouched,
as
would
this
view
from
the
north
showing
the
addition
over
the
original
portico
share
and
then
here's
the
addition
on
the
south,
which
would
be
removed,
the
bay
window,
would
remain.
M
We
are
asking
to
drop
the
sails
on
the
first
floor
to
allow
for
french
doors
to
get
on
to
the
new
terrace
from
that
edition,
and
here
you
see
the
other
kind
of
unfortunate
bits
that
we
propose
to
remove
as
part
of
this
cleanup
campaign
that
we're
doing
so.
M
That's
enough,
I
think,
explains
the
product
pretty
well.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
D
Yeah
I'd
also
say
I
went
and
walked
around
the
house
over
the
weekend,
and
you
know
I
think,
beyond
what
you
said,
the
the.
When
you
see
the
detail
of
the
addition
of
the
west.
It
lacks
really
a
lot
of
the
detail
of
the
new
house
of
the
original
house
as
well.
I
mean
it
there,
the
dental
molding,
on
top
it
just
suddenly
stops,
and
you
know
just
visibly
lower
quality
of
construction.
D
Visibly
is
not
part
of
the
original
house,
and
you
know.
M
C
Yeah
yeah,
the
house
is
an
extraordinary
evanston
house.
Jennings
was
an
important
evanston
architect.
I
was
in
the
house
when
john
and
sharon
watrus
first
purchased
it
and
the
stair
and
the
entry
hall
and
the
original
spaces
are
extraordinary
examples
of
of
classical
revival.
C
C
And
I
think,
if
I
may
say
so,
you've
done
an
extraordinary
job
of
of
restoring
the
sensibility
of
the
original
house.
Thank
you,
sir.
J
M
N
G
And
just
a
question:
just
clarification:
the
railing
that's
going
to
go
on
the
new
edition.
Does
it
match
the
widow's
walk
and
then
the
railing
around
on
the
front
on
the
front
of
the
house
as
well.
M
Yes,
I
was
challenged
and
I'm
sure
many
architects
are
faced
with
this
to
design
a
fence.
That's
in
keeping
with
this
kind
of
colonial
revival,
neoclassical,
home
and
part
of
the
challenge
was,
I
don't
ever
want
to
paint
it.
You
know
which
we
all
get
I
I
wish
I
could
remember
the
name
of
the
manufacturer,
because
I
was
thinking
this
in
the
previous
presentation,
but
these
are
all
parts
from
a
company.
M
I
swear
they're
up
in
minnesota
somewhere,
but
this
is
a
it's
recycled,
wood
and
recycled
plastic
that
somehow,
with
an
integral
color,
that's
bonded
and
made
into
these
shapes
and
a
few
of
the
shapes
as
stuart
was
mentioning
we
have
to
put
through
a
shaper.
You
know
to
get
the
the
proper
configuration,
but
this
I
mean
they
sell
the
little
turrets
on
the
top
and.
M
G
And
it
relates
and
does
it
relate
to
the
existing
like
the
the
widow's
walk
and
the
railing?
That's
on
the
front
porch
over
the
front
doors.
M
No,
this
fence
does
not.
This
is
we.
We
actually
looked
at
henry
wadsworth's
longfellow's
home
many
other
homes
in
new
england
and
their
fences.
Many
times
are
more
picket-like,
whereas
the
railings
on
the
house
are
more
made
up
of
these.
You
know
kind
of
abstract,
balusters,
thin.
M
I
guess
is
the
way
to
kind
of
mute,
classical
things,
so
the
addition
that
you
see
on
the
left
here
that
rail
matches
the
widow's
walk
but
around
the
house
is
based
on
other
new
england
homes
that
have
a
similar
kind
of
difference
from
from
their
house.
Okay,.
D
Other
discussions
before
taking
a
vote
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
this
project.
C
I'll
make
the
motion,
if,
if
you
can
scroll
to
the
description
of
it,
so
I
cite
the
proper
proper
parts
of
it.
C
We
go
okay,
I
move.
We
issue
a
certificate
of
of
appropriateness
to
1048
forest
avenue,
the
removal
of
editions
from
the
1940s
and
later
and
the
construction
of
a
new
sun,
sun
porch
and
raised
terrace
to
the
south
and
the
addition
of
new
windows
and
french
doors
in
the
in
the
semicircular
bays,
in
keeping
with
the
applicable
standards
for
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
five
and
seven
through
fifteen
and
demolition.
One
through
five.
D
Okay,
I
think
the
two-story
edition
of
the
southwest
sorry
thank
you
mark
she
has
to
be
at
it.
There
was
just
a
line
there.
Second.
A
A
G
C
Don
congratulations,
it's
a
lovely
piece
of
work
and
I
can
honestly
say
as
a
new
commissioner
that
if
everything
that
came
before
us
was
this
thoughtfully
done
and
of
this
quality,
this
job
would
be
a
joy.
M
A
Thank
you
for
sitting
through
this
lengthy
pre
meeting
tonight.
D
And
okay,
do
you
want
to
handle
the
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes?
I
guess
it's.
The
next
order
of
business.
L
Yeah
we'll
need
someone
to
make
a
motion.
I
didn't
receive
any
any
comments
on
them.
I
know
they
were
extremely
lengthy
this
this
round.
I
think
20,
some
pages.
So
if
any
of
you
read
all
of
them
kudos.
A
They
were
very
entertaining.
Thank
you,
we're
fun
to
read
a
second
time.
C
J
D
Gonna
abstain.
Oh
that's
right!
You
weren't!
Here!
Okay,
you
chickened
out,
commissioner
cohen
hi,
commissioner
dudnik
aye,
commissioner
idle
all
right,
commissioner:
brodan
aye!
Okay,
you
know
I
see
I
I
see
one
of
and
see
the
name
of
our
other
new
commissioner
hi.
D
John,
do
you
want
to
just
say
something
for,
for
I
you
want
to
just
tell
us
who
you
are
for.
D
E
Sort
of
lurking
there,
silently
I'm,
I'm
john
jacobs,
I'm
happy
to
join
you
folks,
hopefully,
next
month
it
was
I've
been
on
the
other
side
of
the
table
presenting
before
the
commission,
but
I
haven't
witnessed
what
it's
like
through
a
zoom
meeting,
so
that
was
that
was
interesting.
I'm
currently
working
at
robin's
architecture
with
celeste
robbins
and
I've.
I
had
a
very
informative
years
with
stuart
and
julie
at
conan
hacker
for
a
few
years
and
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
all.
N
Yeah
sorry,
I
can't
turn
my
monitor
on
right
now,
I'm
sarah
dreller,
I'm
an
architectural
historian.
I
work
right
now
for
the
society
of
architectural
historians
sah,
which
is
the
international
professional
society
for
our
profession.
N
I
have
I'm
a
former
professor,
our
historic
preservation,
professor
and
former
historic
preservation
consultant
also,
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
doing
this.
I
guess
I
should
also
say
that
I
do
own
a
landmark
house
myself
and
I
have
no
plans
to
bring
any
changes
to
it
in
front
of
the
commissions.
Don't
worry,
but
I
know
I
would
recuse
myself
it's
a
an
old
farmhouse
161
year
old
farmhouse,
I'm
sitting
in
it
right
now.
N
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I
will
have
be
able
to
use
my
camera
next
time.
D
N
Yeah
I
gathered
that
as
a
as
a
consultant.
Of
course,
I
made
lots
of
presentations
here
and
there.
D
And
if
carlos
is
to
learn
arcade,
I
don't
there's
any
other
business.
You
want
to
cover.
L
I
think
the
only
thing
I
did
want
to
discuss
really
briefly
was
the
potential
for
a
a
retreat
in
may
we're,
having
kind
of
a
big
push
to
do,
pull
design
guidelines
together,
and
I
was
able
to
get
a
few
people
who
were
willing
to
to
come
and
present
some
that
they've
created
recently
and
kind
of
the
process
and
their
value.
I
just
if
some
if
people
can
send
me
kind
of
dates
that
work
for
them
or
are
preferred.
G
L
Yeah
sometime
in
may,
we
were,
it
doesn't
have
to
be,
may
it's
just
kind
of
a
it
aligns
with
historic
preservation
month,
but
it
doesn't
really
that's
somewhat.
Doesn't
matter.
C
I
think
if
you
ask
us
just
off
the
top
of
our
hats,
you
you
may
get
you
know
more
alternates
than
we
can
all
deal
with.
L
That
works,
the
only
really
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
do
is
just
recognize
elliott.
For
for
a
moment
on
his
last
meeting,
you
know
I
I
know
that
he
was
kind
of
putting
a
stranger.
J
B
That's
a
good
question.
I
don't
know.
D
A
C
A
The
old
house
journal
our
house
journal
and
I'm
trying
to
think
of
which
others,
but
I'm
not
looking
they're
over
somewhere
stacked.
The
war
is
collapsing
and
when
my
wife
comes
over
to
the
office,
she
says,
how
can
you
let
anybody
in
here
and
I
go?
I
don't
and
that's
and
and
kovit
has
made
it
easier.
A
They
never
know,
but
I
just
didn't
know
if
any
of
you
want
or
ever
read
those
things
or
haven't,
read
them
or
don't
get
them,
and
anybody
would
care
to
I'm
not
sure
what
else
you
can
do
with
them
anymore.
A
N
A
A
That's
those
are
gone.
A
A
I
think
even
is
it
architecture
that
now
wants
you
to
go
digital,
I'm
not
sure
they're
going
to
print
it
anymore.
A
And
one
other
thing
for
preservationists,
how
many
of
you
since
last
meeting
was
all
about
the
oak
trees?
How
many
of
you
read
that
all
the
oak
trees
they've
cut
down
now
for
the
reconstruction
of
notre
dame.
A
And
cut
down
some
ancient
trees
in
order
to
reconstruct
it,
and
a
couple
of
friends
of
mine
went
through
a
debate
the
other
day,
because
somebody
pointed
out
that,
since
most
of
that
was
really
done
in
what
1840,
when
when
all
when
violet
the
duke
did
all
of
that
stuff,
the
question
is,
since
he
didn't
use
the
original
materials
and
a
lot
of
that
was
represented
the
period.
Why
didn't
somebody
say?
A
Let's
build
use,
artificial,
timbers
and
a
lot
of
contemporary
materials,
which
would
be
considerably
less
fire
hazardous
and
all
the
rest
and
be
much
more
representative
of
the
period.
I
only
raised
this
because
we're
all
sitting
here
as
preservationists,
and
would
we
be
purists
and
say
which
is
apparently
what
the
french
are
doing.