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A
A
The
staff
will
read
your
submission
into
record
and
then
you
will
step
up
to
the
podium.
If
you
could,
please
introduce
yourself
and
if
you
haven't
already
done
so,
if
you
could
please
sign
in
on
the
sheet,
I
believe
carlos
there's
a
sheet
on
the
podium
there.
It
is,
if
you
could
please
sign
in
to
the
sheet
and
then
your
you
can
present
your
your
submission
your
case
to
the
commission.
We
will
then
take
the
opportunity
to
ask
you
questions
and
ask
for
public
comment.
A
So
with
that
said,
kate,
do
you
want
to
read
the
first
record.
B
The
first
case
is
case
number
22,
pres-0033
1322
lake
street
in
the
ridge,
historic
district
and
a
registered
landmark
david
roberts
architect
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
front
porch
addition
at
the
front
elevation
of
the
residence
applicable
standards
construction,
one
through
two
four
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen
dave.
Would
you
like
to
come
up
and
give
a
short
presentation.
C
Good
evening,
I'm
kitty
culbert-
and
this
is
my
husband,
john
culvert,.
D
And-
and
you
know,
this
is
our
architect,
david
roberts
and
just
wanted
to
say
a
couple
things-
the
we
we've
selected
to
work
with
david
on
a
few
projects
now
and
because,
when
we
were
thinking
of
some
projects,
when
we
looked
around
town
at
other
projects
that
people
were
doing,
we
were
really
attracted
to
the
you
know
clear
sensitivity
to
sort
of
a
historical
architecture
that
he
brings
to
to
all
of
his
work
and
so
that
that
met
meshed
with
our
interests
there,
and
you
know
we-
we
are
both
theater
people,
and
so
we,
like
things
that
have
stories
so
old
houses,
I've
always
been
attracted
to
old
houses.
D
I
don't
plan
on
living
anything
living
in
anything
but
an
older
house
that
has
a
lot
of
stories,
and
so
that's
really
what
led
us
to
looking
28
years
ago,
we
were
looking
for
a
house
in
evanston.
That's
what
led
us
to
look
here
and
we
were
really
looking
for
a
house
that
still
had
its
architectural
integrity,
which,
as
you
know,
some
older
houses
have
been.
You
know
improved
to
the
extent
that
you
you
know
they
don't
have
that
anymore.
D
E
D
Pleased
that
it's
a
landmark
house
in
the
historic
district
and
that
you
know
it's
part
of
a
neighborhood.
That
in
fact
has
this
process,
as
we
believe
in
this
as
a
as
a
way
of
maintaining
the
integrity
of
the
neighborhood
and
that's
the
beauty
of
it
and
the
welcoming
nature
of
it.
So
so
we're
we've
done
some
other
recent
projects
on
the
house
in
collaboration
with
david.
So
we
did
a
garage
most
recently
just
a
few
years
ago
and
then
not
long
before
that
a
rear
entry
porch.
D
Both
those
projects,
of
course,
went
through
this
project
and
also
both
received
evanston
preservation
awards
and
our
our
goal
with
all
of
those
and
many
years
ago.
Now
I
also
we
redid
a
screen
porch
on
the
house
that
has
similar
detailing
to
what
you
see
in
our
proposal
now
and
the
rear
entry
of
the
house
and
so
on.
D
So
this
has
been
a
sort
of
long-term
commitment
on
our
part
to
doing
things
that
we
believe,
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
house
and
then
contribute
to
the
sort
of
architectural
integrity,
the
neighborhood
and
and
and
that's
the
sort
of
quality
of
it.
As
we
believe
that
that
you
know
is
important
to
to
maintaining
the
attractiveness
of
the
of
the
neighborhood,
so
so
now,
katie's
gonna
say
something
about
why
we
want
a
front
porch
yeah.
C
So
I
mean
it's
hard
to
believe
we're,
finally,
here
because
this
has
been
on
our
wish
list
since
28
years
ago,
when
we
first
bought
the
house,
we
said
wow
someday.
That
would
be
so
cool
to
put
a
front
porch
back
here
where
it
used
to
be
so.
We've
been
waiting
for
this
for
a
long
time
and
you
know
partly
I
do
think
it
looks
unbalanced
without
the
porch
because
it
used
to
have
one
there.
So
it
kind
of
looks
the
front.
C
You
know
it's
just,
I
think
kind
of
a
social
media
in
this
electronic
world.
Without
any
electronics,
you
can
sit
on
your
porch
and
get
to
know
your
neighbors,
and
so
that's
also
a
nice
benefit.
I
think
so.
Yeah,
we
just
think
a
front
porch
would
be
really
beneficial
to
the
neighborhood
and
the
town.
D
You
know
we
have
over
the
years
we've
compiled
a
history
of
the
house,
some
of
which
you
see
in
the
in
the
packet
and
that's
based
on
information
at
the
evanston
history
center
and
also
from
talking
to
prior
owners
of
the
house,
one
of
whom
stopped
by
one
day
and
told
me
about
putting
up
the
wallpaper
in
our
dining
room
in
1954.,
so
which.
C
D
Fun
and
but
you
know
so,
just
briefly-
the
house
was
built
in
1865
and
it
was
on
davis
right
across
from
where
the
post
office
is
currently,
it
was
moved
in
1916,
as
were
the
houses
on
either
side
of
our
house
to
the
current
location,
and
you
know
the
fire
maps
indicate
that
it
had
a
front
porch
both
when
it
was
at
davis
and
after
it
was
moved
to
lake
street,
and
then
the
1930s
fire
map
still
shows
a
front
porch
at
lake
street.
D
Then
I
have
a
gap
in
my
records
until
1947,
when
I
have
a
photograph
of
the
house
that
doesn't
have
a
porch,
so
I
assume
somewhere
between
1930
and
47,
it
rotted
and
they
put
in
the
concrete
stoop.
That
is
a
sort
of
unfortunate,
concrete
stoop
and
a
little
hill.
That's
that's
there
in
place
of
a
porch
right
now.
D
So,
as
kitty
said,
we've
been,
you
know,
dreaming
of
the
day
where
we
could,
you
know
imagine
putting
back
what
was
original
equipment
in
terms
of
a
front
porch,
but
I
have
not
been
able
to
locate
a
photograph
of
the
original
porch.
So
I
don't
have
that
evidence,
but
the,
but
you
know
we
did
research
a
number
of
porches
in
evanston
of
similar
houses
and
also
looked
at
you
know
victorian
architecture
books
about
to
get.
D
F
John
and
kitty
gave
you
all
the
reasons
why
we're
here
tonight
and
working
with
them
on
this
lovely
house
has
has
been
a
real
pleasure
for
me
professionally
and
personally
too,
because
of
their
passion
for
the
for
the
house
and
their
passion
for
preserving
as
much
as
they
can
and
in
this
case
trying
to
reimagine
what
was
there
before
the
evidence
john
talked
about,
there
was
clearly
a
front
porch.
F
F
Where
am
I
looking
at
carlos
here,
the
star
very
good?
Thank
you.
So
this
is
the
back
porch
that
was
done
several
years
ago
and
that
back
porch
followed
the
character
of
the
screen.
Porch
that
you
see
here,
which
was
before
it
same
columns
same
brackets,
and
those
brackets
are
the
same
exactly
as
are
on
the
house
as
it
originally
was.
Those
brackets
are
all
still
up
there
and
in
beautiful
shape
the
house
has
been
maintained
well
over
the
years.
Originally,
it
was
not
stucco
at
one
point.
F
F
So
figuring
out
a
front
porch
to
go
there,
it's
it's
it's
a
challenge
for
sure
and
knowing
what
we
know
about
the
original
one.
It
went
from
that
corner
over
to
the
east
side
of
the
house
here
to
that
corner
and
filled
in
that
space.
Right
now,
there's
that
concrete
stairway
there-
and
I
presume
everybody
had
done
their
walk
over
there
to
see
it.
F
Again,
what
we
were
trying
to
do
was
to
use
the
materials
and
the
same
vocabulary.
That's
already
established
these
two
bay
windows
have
lovely
little
roof
with
a
metal
roof
on
it.
When
the
back
porch
was
added,
the
same
metal
roof
and
detail
was
included
there.
So
we
followed
all
that
through
on
the
front
porch.
What
is
in
front
of
you
today,
and
could
we
go
to
the
next
elevations?
Thank
you.
F
Can
we
zoom
in
on
any
of
this
or
please
keep
going
to
the
elevations
of
the
front?
Porch
yeah
there.
That's
better!
Thank
you
so
again,
following
the
character
that
we're
given
with
these
two
bay
windows
on
the
north
and
the
east
side,
we
present
a
roof
that
is
of
similar
slope,
can't
be
exactly
the
same,
just
given
the
dimensions
and
so
on,
but
it
would
be
the
same.
F
Material
lead,
coated,
copper
with
a
with
a
standing
seam,
an
inlaid
gutter
in
this
case,
and
then
we'll
take
that
gutter
and
attach
it
to
an
existing
downspout.
That
comes
from
the
second
floor
and
I
think
our
hope
is
to
quietly
tie
that
into
that
without
adding
more
downspouts
or
anything
like
that.
F
F
F
F
F
This
allows
us
to
have
the
railing
with
these
more
expressive,
balusters
more
expressive
than
the
back,
the
back
porch.
We
just
put
square
balusters
on
there.
It's
a
back
porch.
We
kept
that
simple
and
actually,
during
the
planning
of
the
back
porch,
we
were
already
talking
about
the
front
porch.
So
some
of
this
was
already
in
play
in
our
minds
in
john
and
kitty's
mind,
and
they
included
me
in
on
that,
and
so
we
had
thought.
F
Well,
maybe
we'll
save
this
kind
of
detail
for
the
front,
where
typically,
of
course,
the
front
porch
would
be
a
more
ornate.
This
is
italianate
design
based
on
what
the
evanston
history
center
says
about
it,
and
we
don't
argue
with
that.
F
So
again,
those
tops
are
the
same,
and
then
what
we've
done
here
is
the
beam
comes
across
this
same
as
it
is
in
the
back
and
then
what
we've
done
here
is
introduce
a
little
bit
of
an
arch
elliptical,
this
one's
slightly
elliptical.
This
one
is
elliptical
and
they'll
space
across
there
span
across
there.
F
F
F
H
Yes,
the
front
door
and
the
transom
panel
above
and
the
arch
above
that
are
your
I'm,
assuming
that
the
porch
roof
will
be
ceiling
will
be
sloped
on
the
inside
and
you're
just
going
to
dodge
the
top
of
the
arch
correct.
F
Good
point:
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out.
I
neglected
to
say
that.
But
yes,
so
as
much
as
tradition
dictates,
the
porsche
ceiling
is
flat.
That
can't
happen
here
to
your
point.
It's
would
slope
up
on
the
inside
underneath
it'll
slope
up
like
the
roof,
so
that
the
original
of
this
door
and
window
and
all
that
lovely
detail
will
still
exist
behind
it.
We
show
it
as
dashed
lines
because
it
does
continue
to
exist
and
it
will
not
be
disturbed.
D
Did
a
little
drawing
so
from
the
sidewalk
if
you're
standing
on
the
sidewalk,
you
know
the
regular
street
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
house,
you
will
see
the
top
of
that
door
that
the
sight
line
and
such
that
you'll
see
under
the
elliptical
thing.
You'll
still
see
the
top
of
the
door
so
visually
from
the
street.
You
still
see
the
whole
transom
on
that
door,
because
you're
lower.
Obviously
when
you're
on
the.
A
I
By
commissioners,
just
one
question:
please:
can
you
remind
me
about
the
materials
that
you'll
be
using
for
for
the
columns
and
the
railing,
and
certainly.
F
A
Any
other
questions,
no,
if
you'd
like
to
sit
down
and
then
we'll
we'll,
go
ahead
and
deliberate.
A
H
A
H
Okay,
I
move.
Excuse
me
regarding
1322
lake
street
ridge,
historic
district
landmark
case
22
pres
dash
0033.
A
B
The
next
case
is
22
pres-0034.
B
12
11
hinman
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district,
paul
janicki
architect
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
enclose
an
existing
roof
side.
Entry
porch
for
habitable
space.
Also,
the
principal
structures
fenestration
with
new
window
locations,
install
solar
panels
at
the
south
roof
face
behind
the
south
gable
applicable
standards;
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
three
through
four
seven
through
eight
ten,
twelve
and
thirteen
through
fourteen,
as
well
as
the
commission's
solar
design
guidelines.
D
J
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
paul
janicki,
I'm
the
architect
on
this
project,
and
I
will
sign
in
so
just
a
quick
little
explanation.
The
original
architect
was
stephen,
jennings
jennings,
did
a
few
houses
in
edmondson
they're,
all
very,
very
beautiful,
but
then
he
after
five
years
he
left
and
went
to
work
in
seattle,
where
he
also
did
some
really
beautiful
buildings.
J
This
I'm
going
to
call
loosely
call
a
queen
anne
gambrell
roofed
house,
with
the
traditional
front.
Porch.
What's
odd,
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
casement
windows
on
the
front
elevation?
So
I
I
don't
believe
this
was
compared
to
his
other
houses.
I
don't
believe
this
was
sort
of
this
facade
is
not
perfectly
original.
J
There's
been
some
changes,
I
think
in
window
types.
I
don't
think
he
used
any
casement
windows
on
his
houses,
so
that
kind
of
jumps
out
of
me,
but
be
that
as
it
may,
the
new
owners
are
trying
to
capture
some
space
for
a
mud
room
and
the
rear.
Porch
seemed
to
be
kind
of
a
pretty
good
candidate.
For
that,
in
that
it's
sort
of
not
visible
from
the
street.
J
Really,
the
houses
are
very
tightly
spaced
there
and
also
it's
sort
of
an
unused
space
because
sort
of
a
rear,
porch,
I'm
not
sure
what
it
was
originally
used
for,
but
it's
not,
they
have
a
lot
of
outdoor
living
space.
So
it's
not
really
something
they
need.
The
other
elements
are
windows
and
the
front
parlor
has
a
couple
of
a
big
casement
windows
with
with
with
transoms,
and
so
we
want
to
get
more
light
there.
They
are.
J
We
want
to
get
more
light
into
the
living
room
and
view
out
under
the
front
porch,
which
would
be
real
lovely,
so
we
were
proposing
putting
another
of
these
casement
windows.
Of
course
the
transom
doesn't
fit
underneath
the
roof
of
the
porch.
So
we
eschewed
trying
to
make
the
window
smaller
and
get
a
transom
over
it
just
use
the
same
size
window.
J
When
we
enclose
the
porch,
we
we
put
a
window
in
there,
that's
going
to
be
for
like
a
little
like
sort
of
a
pantry,
wet
bar
and
and
then
the
window
facing
sorry
okay
to
make
you
run
through
them.
That's
that's.
The
new
approach
went
on.
You
can
see,
there's
the
rear,
porch,
it's
empty,
of
course,
because
excuse.
J
Just
this
thing,
aha,
look
at
that.
There's
the
reports
there
it's
open
underneath
at
the
moment
we
would
pour
foundation
all
the
way
down
and
then
you
would
enter
from
the
rear
yard
through
the
door
and
into
this
mud
room.
This
window
here
is
a
new
window
proposed
and
that's
another
double
hung.
Wood
double
hung.
What
you
see
up
here
are
these
are
rafter
tails.
By
the
way
I
know
it's
confusing,
and
then
we
want
to
continue
the
brick
base
throughout.
Just
like
the
original
house
up
here,
the
owner
wants
to
do.
J
You
know
some
solar
collectors,
I'm
usually
not
really
a
fan
of
solar
collectors
on
historic
houses,
but
because
the
way
of
these
these
gables
are
situated
and
that
this
part
of
the
roof
is
not
visible
from
the
street,
from
if
you're
standing
or
driving
or
even
across
the
street.
So
that's
why
we're
proposing
this?
We
do
not
have
a
solar
panel
firm.
J
J
Okay,
you
want
to
move
forward.
Thank
you.
Kade
here
is
the
old
porch
open
porch.
It
has
some
sort
of
lattice
underneath
it,
but
I
don't
think
it's
a
well.
I
don't
think
it's
original,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
J
There's
an
existing
rear
door
here
and
that
would
be
the
new
mudroom
door
and
then
the
proposed
shows
this
enclosed
with
the
same
size,
collaborate
as
the
original
house
and
then
again
the
brick
base,
of
course
we're
leaving
all
this
trim
intact
with
the
rafter
tails
and
all
that
what
else
can
I
tell
you
about
that
this?
J
Of
course,
this
rear
porch
in
this
whole
thing
is
some
herzegs
thing
that
they
ended
up
some
put
on
there
like
in
the
90s
or
something
and
you
might
move
forward,
and
this
elevation
you
can
see
faces
north
and
in
this
space
here,
there's
like
a
little
breakfast
area,
but
it's
just
totally.
You
know
shut
off
from
light.
If
you
want
to
go
on
the
next
slide
kade,
thank
you.
We're
proposing
three
fixed
casements
here.
J
That
would
be,
you
know
in
the
same
vernacular
as
the
the
ones
that
face
the
south,
which
has
a
really
beautiful
leather
glass
pattern,
and
I
think
that
and
there's
some
close-ups
here
of
some
of
the
stuff,
the
here's
the
window
again
we're
using
the
same
casing
around
these
as
the
picture
windows
in
the
all.
And
then
these
all
these,
these
heads
align
the
sill
is
a
line.
J
But
of
course
this
transom
cannot
be
replicated
here
and
if
you
want
to
go
next
one
again
here
is
the
the
ones
that
were
sort
of
mimicking
on
the
north
elevation
and
here's
the
smallish
I'd
like
to
align
these
things,
but
it
just
wasn't
possible
it's
sort
of
a
forgotten
elevation
anyway,
in
my
mind,
but
anyway,
this
is
a
little
double
hung,
wood
window
that
is
into
the
little
pantry
bar
area
and
then
so
so
this
whole
mudroom
is
actually
very
tall
because
it
can
be
plus
you
have
this
landing
and
the
stair
going
up.
J
Take
take
the
cabinetry
all
the
way
up
to
the
ceiling,
not
probably
care,
but
that's
the
reason
why
the
window
is
at
this
plus
it
felt
comfortable
being
engaged
with
this
cornice
and
then
again
here
you
know
we're
matching
the
head,
the
head
height
here,
and
these
are
almost
pretty
much
identical
size.
A
J
H
Ahead,
john
hi
paul,
so
the
new
openings
there's
the
new
triple
window
at
the
breakfast
room
right.
J
H
H
William,
sorry
and
and
then
the
there's,
a
new
six
panel
door
going
into
the
mud
room
are
those.
J
That's
actually
original,
I
mean
it's
not
original
original,
it's
sort
of
not
a
wonderful,
looking
aluminum,
I
think
door,
but
it's
there
I'd
love
to
change
it,
but
I
haven't
been
asked
to
change
it.
Then,
then,
those
casements
above
pretty
much
have
a
very
similar
light
proportion
to
the
other
casements.
So
the
the
opening
of
the
lights
are
almost
identical.
H
Okay
and
whose
windows
are
gonna,
be
the
new
windows.
J
We
haven't
chosen
one
yet
there'll
be
either
probably
a
colby
or
a
marvin.
It's
really
right
now
because
of
lead
times
it's
all
over
the
map
and
then
colby
will
promise
us
that
they
can
do
it
in
you
know
20
weeks
and
then
so
we
forget
marvin
and
then
they
come
back,
go
no
it's
three
or
six
weeks
and
then
marvin
comes
back.
Oh,
we
can
do
it
in
24
weeks.
J
It's
like
so
we
we
haven't
done
any
construction
drawings,
I'm
here
tonight,
sort
of
just
to
see
conceptually
is
this
something
that
will
resonate
with
you
guys
and
if
it
does
then
we'll
come
back
with
working
drawings,
obviously,
and
and
we'll
show
all
those
details
and
if
you'd
like,
I
will
just
provide
you
guys
details
soon
before
we
finish
the
set,
if
you'd
like
to
review
the
windows.
That
might
be
one
way
around
it.
I
just
don't
know
right
now.
J
No,
no,
no,
no
clad
I'll,
be
wood.
They'll
all
be
I'm
pretty
sure.
They'll
all
be
simulated,
divided
light
with
spacer
bars,
the
ones
the
casements.
What
we
like
to
do
with
the
casements
is
we
order
a
a
fixed
casement,
and
then
we
have
our
let
it
glass
person
make
the
leather
glass
panel
and
then
the
carpenter
will
make
a
very,
very
small
frame
for
it
and
then
we'll,
depending
on
whether
we
want
the
light
glass
on
the
exterior
or
on
the
interior,
we'll
place
it
inside
the
jam
connect
it.
J
J
I
would
guess-
and
I'm
just
guessing,
because
I
can't
find
historical
photos
of
it,
I'm
guessing
that
the
the
windows
on
the
west
elevation,
the
main
principal
facade,
are
original
the
ones
the
big
picture
ones
with
the
transoms.
I
think
the
casement
windows
are
totally
like
a
thing
that
they
just
somebody
else
threw
in
there.
I
just
don't
see
it
as
being
original.
J
B
J
No,
we
don't,
I
mean
they'll,
be
their
standard
size.
I
mean
I've
just
taken
a
standard
size,
photovoltaic,
that's
on
the
market.
You
know
that
everyone
makes,
I
think
it's
like
33
by
78
or
something
like
that
and
we
and
we
put
them
up
there
and
we
put
them
up
as
many
as
I
feel
you
could
put
up
and
not.
J
Yeah
and
they're
and
they're
coming
and
they
spot
their
face
straight
south.
I
mean
it's
really
a
kind
of
nice
very
unusual
that
you
get
the
cross
cable
kind
of
cover
up
that
stuff.
Again,
I'd
prefer
not
to
do
any.
I
shouldn't
be
saying
that
I
prefer
not
to
have
them
at
all,
but
I
understand
it
totally.
Yeah.
I
Yeah,
I
have
two
questions:
hello
sure
for
the
new
window
that
you're
proposing
on
the
west
elevation
by
the
front
door.
I
was
curious.
I
can't
quite
tell
where
the
sill
is
look.
What
the
sill
height
is.
Is
it
going
to
be.
J
I
J
Yeah,
the
underside
is
a
bead
board
flat
as.
I
A
slider,
you
don't
have
it:
okay,
yeah
be
bored.
Okay.
Second
question
was
about
the
solar
panels.
Were
you
is
the
client
thinking
of
just
maintaining
them
on
that
one
roof
surface
or
it
looks
like
there's
even
one
further
back
from
the
front
of
the
house,
were
they
also
thinking
of
putting
additional
ones,
or
is
that
really
all
that
we're
being
asked.
J
That's,
that's
all.
I
think
that's
the
only
sort
of
self-facing
spot
that
you
could
really
put
them.
J
If
you
go
to
yes,
keep
going
around
there.
J
To
consider
that's
a
really
good
question
I
mean
I
showed
them.
This
is
a
really
compact
thing.
We
thought
the
10
collectors
would
probably
be.
You
know
pretty
good
okay
as
far
as
getting
some
payback
and
but
no
that's
a
very
good
question.
I
suppose
if
they
come
back
and
they
want
to
put
some
more
back
on
the
other
south
roof,
I
guess
I'll
have
to
come
back.
A
So
one
thing
I
wanted
to
put
out
there
for
my
fellow
commissioners
is
that
for
the
solar
guidelines,
typically,
we
see
sections
through
a
solar
panel
and
we
often
see
the
material
cut
sheet,
since
this
is
on
a
secondary
elevation.
I
wanted
to
get
the
commissioner's
feeling
of.
Can
we
do
this
with
maybe
some
statements
and
then
have
it
be
an
administrative
review,
since
it
is
towards
the
rear
of
the
house?
A
I
don't
know
how
people
feel
about
that,
but
first,
if
there
are
no
other
questions
from
commissioners,
we
can
obviously
have
paul
take
a
seat
good
sure.
G
Paul,
why
don't
you
take
a
seat
and
then
we
can
discuss
that?
Could
I
ask
about
so
my
recollection?
Is
the
solar
guidelines
give
discretion
to
the
staff
even
potentially,
to
approve
completely
solar
panels
that
are
not
visible
from
the
street
or
that
are
kind
of
minimally
visible?
You
know
not
on
the
primary
facade.
B
That's
correct
mark.
We
we've
done
that
in
the
past,
particularly
for
non-landmark
homes
or
homes
that
are
not
contributing,
but
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
in
this.
In
this
instance,.
A
And
I
think
if
we
made
a
statement
that
they
were
just
going
to
be
parallel
with
the
roof
plane
and
that
they're
low
profile
panels
with
the
follow-up,
administrative
review
of
the
materials,
the
section
and
the
like
exact
location,
I
don't
know,
but
I
feel
like
in
general,
we're
all
we
would
be
comfortable
with
that,
and
then
I
think
the
other
item
would
be
if
kate
or
carlos
feel
that
they
need
to
see
any
of
the
window
details
once
they
pick
a
window
manufacturer
just
to
see
comparison
between
the
existing
and
the
new.
H
I
agree
that
we
could,
but
I
would
like
to
add
that
to
the
as
a
condition
of
the
approval
on
the
windows
and
if
we
want
the
solar
panels
as
well.
A
I
And,
and
for
the
solar
panels,
if
the
staff
can
review
the
location
of
all
the
ancillary
items
that
go
along
with
it,
that.
H
Would
like
to
ask
actually
paul
one
more
question
regarding
the
solar
panel.
So
are
we
talking
about
photovoltaic
electrical,
not
the
hot
water,
passive,
okay,
and
they
tend
to
be
propped
up
at
a
steeper
angle
for
some
reason
and
okay:
okay,.
G
I
think
so.
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
I'll
make
a
motion
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1211,
hinman
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
case,
22
pres
0034
to
enclose
an
existing
roof
side.
Entry
porch
for
habitable
space,
alter
the
principal
structures
fenestration
with
new
window
locations
and
install
solar
panels
at
the
south
rift
face
behind
the
south
gable,
the
condition
being
that
the
exact
product
and
details
for
the
solar
panels,
as
well
as
the
all
of
the
you
know.
G
The
exact
aspects
of
the
windows
you
know,
including
the
the
windows
purchase,
would
be
subject
to
administrative
review
if
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
would
be
in
accordance
with
applicable
standards
for
alteration
one
through
ten
and
standards
for
construction,
three
and
four
seven
and
eight
ten,
twelve
and
thirteen
to
fourteen
and
in
accordance
with
the
seller,
design,
guidelines.
D
K
B
The
next
case
is
22
pres-0032
1018
greenwood
street
in
the
ridge,
historic
district
david
salzman
owner
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
second
story.
Addition
atop
an
existing
single-story
rear
edition
construct,
a
single-story
attached
garage
edition
with
rooftop
deck
and
alter
the
structure's
front.
Elevation,
portico,
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
five,
seven
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen,
and
the
only
correction
I'll
make
is
that
since
this
case
was
noticed,
the
applicant
has
removed
the
alterations
to
the
front
portico.
A
L
So
I'm
not
quite
sure
where
to
begin
other
than
I
do
want
to
have
you
all
review
the
and
I'm
applying
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
put
an
addition
on
this
house.
L
L
The
west
elevation,
west
and
east
elevations
would
obviously
change
as
a
result
of
this
added
bathroom
and
and
bedroom
addition
above
the
existing
flat
roof
section
now
of
this.
This
is
a
family
room
back
here
and
then
this
here
is
a
single
car
garage
with
a
proposed
parallel
garage
right
next
to
it
here,.
L
L
A
A
L
A
L
It's
a
brick,
brick
home
and
the
the
garage.
The
existing
garage
has
a
brick,
and
so
I
would
continue
the
brick
work
for
the
face
of
the
new
garage,
but
and
also
for
this
right
now.
This
back
entrance
here
is
basically
just
glass
and
aluminum,
so
we
were
considering
brick
here
for
these
two
sides
of
either
side
of
the
door
or
possibly
a
painted
wood,
and
then
a
like
a
hardy
board,
siding
up
here
or
architectural
panel,
depending
on
availability
or
depending
on
your
input
on
on
the
use
of
materials
for
the
siding.
B
The
status
of
the
property
is
a
little
unique
in
that
it's
listed
as
a
non-contributing
property,
but
I
think
that
has
more
to
do
with
when
the
national
register
district
was
was
nominated,
which
is
in
the
1980
late
1980s,
and
they
likely
listed
it
as
non-contributing,
because
it
was
at
the
time
it
was
under
50
years
old.
I
I
suspect-
and
I
would
you
know,
I
would
encourage
the
commissioners
to
review
it
as
if
it's
a
contributing
structure,
I'm
sure
that
if
the
district
were
re-surveyed
that
it
that
it
would
be
contributing.
B
L
F
B
Doesn't
contribute
to
that,
so
you
know
you
might
have
a
non-contributing
property
because
it's
been
altered
really
significantly.
It
doesn't
have
the
architectural
integrity
that
it
that
it
had
when
it
was
first
constructed,
but
it
might
also
be
listed
as
non-contributing
just
because
it's
it's
considered
contemporary
or
it's
new
and
that
threshold
in
the
national
register
is
is
50
years
of
age.
B
Any
standard
like
that
for
local
district
designations,
so
I
I
suspect
in
a
resurvey
this
would
certainly
be
a
contributing
property.
It
actually
has
pretty
significant
integrity
for
a
building
like
this.
That
rear
edition
is
actually
it
actually
isn't.
In
addition,
that's
original
to
the
property,
the
garage,
the
attached
garage,
it
has
all
its
original
windows
that
I
can
tell
it's
it's
it's
in
good
condition.
K
Go
ahead,
I
have
one
question,
so
you
were
talking
about
the
door
on
the
other
side,
I
guess
where
the
new
kitchen
is
going
to
be.
Is
that
wall
that
you're
planning
on
moving?
Is
that
also
an
aluminum
material
that,
like
the
grid
pattern,
that's
on
the
that
existing
on
the
the
existing.
B
Far
as
I
can
tell
it's,
it's
original
to
property,
there's
been
very
few
permits
pulled
for
this
property
and
the
original.
The
original
plans
from
the
1950s
show
the
rear
edition,
there's
no
elevations,
but
it
does
show
that
single-story
attached
garage,
which
wouldn't
be
uncommon
for
the
time
it
was
constructed
in
about
the
1950s.
I
think.
L
Sure
so
all
the
existing
windows
are
our
wood,
double
hung,
12
panel
glass
panels,
and
I
would
certainly
like
to
keep
the
look
of
that
for
the
edition.
L
B
Yeah,
I
think
the
second
story
has
they're
double
hungs
they're,
six
over
six
wood
windows
and
then
the
first
floor
I
think,
are
six
over
nine,
so
they're
a
little
bit
taller
on
the
first
floor.
H
John,
yes,
the
the
master
bedroom.
On
the
second
floor,
do
you
have
a
dimension
of
the
the
dimensions
of
that
room
by
any
chance,
not
including
the
closet
or
the
little
alcove?
Next
to
it,
the
main
square.
L
Well,
the
interior
details
of
this
are
are
still
being
worked
out,
but
that
it
covers,
I
think,
a
25-foot
span
from
the
from
this
exterior
wall
of
the
main
house
back
to
to
the
end
of
the
addition
is,
is
about
25.
A
So,
mr
sultan,
I
think
typically
and
I'm
sure
I
think,
you've
had
some
conversations
with
kade
and
carlos
about
it.
I
think
often
we
see
the
detailing
of
how
you're
going
to
do
the
trim
and
the
connection
from
the
addition
into
the
the
existing
building
things
such
as
like
what
your
railing
is
going
to
comprise
of
existing
window
sections
next
to
new
sections.
It's
my
understanding.
You
have
an
architect
that
you
are
working
with
on
that.
A
K
I
think
one
thing
that
I
would
add:
if,
if
those
aluminum
panels
are
original,
I
I
would
suggest
actually
maintaining
that
and
it.
The
reason
is
that
it
actually
gives
a
nice
break
to
the
addition
and
it
like
it.
When
you
look
at
the
at
the
house,
as
you
know,
as
it
would
be
constructed
like
it
visually
can,
you
can
see
like
that's
the
main
house.
This
is
the
addition,
and
then
you
get
to
keep
the
original.
The
detail
too.
It
just
is
a
nice
way
of
well.
L
My
thinking
was
to
improve
on
the
look
of
those
walls,
because
it
was
my
understanding
that
that
that
was
originally
a
breezeway
that
when
the
home
was
built
that
may
not
even
have
had
much
of
a
wall
any
any
wall
there,
I'm
not
certain
or
if
that's
correct
or
not,
but
so
I
would.
I
would
want
this
wall
to
look
as
as
close
to
the
original
architecture
of
the
home
as
possible,
and
the
condition
of
the
aluminum
and
glass
is
not
the
greatest
anymore.
L
C
I
K
L
K
A
A
L
If
we
could
go
back
to
that,
the
last,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
yeah
right
here
so
right
now,
this
wall
that
is
currently
recessed
if
it
remains
recessed,
it
would
interfere
with
the
idea
of
this
kitchen
being
enlarged,
because
then
you'd
you'd
have
a
bump
out
there.
A
G
Oh
yeah,.
A
M
I
just
have
another
thought
on
alignment
and
I
might
be
misreading
this,
but
I'm
looking
at
the
south
elevation
before
and
after
in
the
second
story,
and
it
appears
as
though
the
second
story
is
then
extending
further
to
the
east
than
the
footprint
of
the
first
floor.
I
don't
know
if
it
looks
like
that.
L
Yeah,
no,
the
let's
see
so.
G
E
Necessarily
the
windows,
but
just
to
clarify
a
little
bit.
How
visible
is
this
section
of
facade
that
we're
talking
about
from
the
public
way?
How
visible
is
it?
Is
it
at
all,
visible
or
personally
visible?
If
it's
not
all
the
comments
you
made,
I
think,
will
be
recommendations
rather
than
requirement,
because
we
don't
have
purview
over
the
cells
that
are
not
visible
from
the
public
way.
Now,
if
there's
an
alley
and
from
the
alley
you
can
see
so
then
definitely
the
commission
will
have
pervy
over
those
elevations.
B
But
I
think
it's
nearly
all
visible
from
the
alley.
E
So,
in
my
opinion,
if
it's
visible,
so
all
the
comments
about
the
aluminum
window,
you
know
that
they
suggest
to
keep
it
even
though
might
be
new
and
also
the
preference
of
having
the
cantilever
that
shows
on
the
elevation
not
be
there
sure.
L
B
D
B
I
think
I'd
I'd
like
to
bring
it
back
in
front
of
the
full
commission.
I
just.
I
think
that
it
lacks
really
the
clarity
that
that
the
commission
probably
needs
to
make
a
decision,
but
you
know
david.
Maybe
if,
if
there's
any
questions,
you
have
or
input
that
you'd
like
from
the
commissioners
it
might,
that
might
be
a
good
use
of
time.
Okay,.
L
Yeah,
if
I
could
ask
you
about
the
materials
for
the
site
for
the
main
signing,
what
your
thoughts
are
about,
or
recommendations
are
about
about
that,
I
would
certainly
want
it
to
match
the
color
of
the
brick
as
closely
as
possible.
D
L
A
H
I
don't
object
to
the
change
in
material
between
the
brick
and
the
siding,
but
it's
it's
exacerbated
by
the
messing
and
what's
going
on
with
the
existing
garage,
the
new
garage
and
the
and
the
second
story
piece
over
the
top
of
it
and.
H
But
if
you're
going
to
change
material
there,
it
would
be
great
to
see
a
reason
for
the
second
story
bedroom
to
end
where
it
does
and
not
over
that
that
door.
There's
there's
something
about
the
proportion
of
the
facades
and
the
the
solids
versus
the
the
voids
there,
that
that
does
not
look
compatible
with
with
that
home
or
or
any
colonial
revival.
Home.
H
Right
where
the
cursor
is
right
there,
where
the
end
of
the
bedroom
is
over
the
garage
door,
so.
H
Or,
or
the
the
the
curse
where
go
back
to
that
elevation?
Yes,
the
wall
right
there!
What,
if
that
pushed
back
away
from
us,
so
that
the
sun
deck
extended
all
the
way
across
the
both
garage.
L
L
B
I
think
I
think
something
too
david
is
that
something
really
inherent
to
the
colonial
revival
style
is,
is
symmetry.
C
B
I
think
that
there's
there's
something
about
the
pattern
of
fenestration
on
the
new
edition
that
it
just
doesn't
have
the
same
rhythm,
and
so
one
of
the
suggestions
that
commissioner
jacobs
gave
you,
which
was
to
shrink
that
portion.
You
know
almost
if
you
ended
that
addition
here.
What
that
would
do
inherently
is
provide
a
little
bit
more
symmetry
for
that.
For
your
your
fenestration
on
that
elevation.
I
H
Or
the
bedroom
extends
all
the
way
to
the
when
we're
looking
at
the
east
elevation.
The
bedroom
extends
all
the
way
to
the
left
side
of
the
new
garage,
eliminating
the
but
shrinks
in
the
other
direction,
so
that
the
porch
only
exists.
The
sorry,
the
the
sun
deck
only
exists
above
the
garage
doors
on
the
east
elevation
and
not
on
the
south.
L
G
G
G
A
I
think
we'd
like
to
do
is
is
make
a
motion
to
continue
the
case
for
1018
greenwood.
If
that's
okay
with
you
to
have
you
come
back
again
like
after
you've
gone
through
with
your
architect
and
you've
put
together
some
of
the
details
and
you've
worked
for
sure.
Absolutely
so
is
there
someone
that's
willing
to
make
a
motion
to
continue
this
case.
A
M
G
L
B
B
We've
made
quite
a
bit
of
progress
where
we
started
looking
at
goals,
policies
and
a
list
of
initiatives
and
I've
gotten
feedback
from
all
subcommittee
members.
Now,
so
we'll
look
at
scheduling
a
time
that
we
can
meet
in
person
and
try
to
finalize
that.
Ideally,
we
would
bring
that
before
the
full
commission
in
may.
It
aligns
well
just
with
preservation
month.
It's.
I
think
it's
really
quite
an
achievement
for
the
commission
and
it's
been
a
lot
of
hard
work
for
those
subcommittee
members
and
then
I
think
carlos.
E
You
I
received
some
of
the
information
from
the
wctu
they
have
planned
for
the
month
of
may,
which
is
preservation
month.
E
E
So
we
mean
communication
with
them
and
see
if
we
can
collaborate
more
closely
to
kind
of
spread
the
word
about
the
work
of
the
commission
and
preservation
and
also
help
them
in
their
own
interests.
So
this
would
be
our
first
attempt
to
do
so,
and
we
already
had
two
meetings
just
to
discuss.
You
know
what
are
the
things
that
we
like
to
collaborate
or
highlight
to
the.
G
E
That
will
enhance
their
presence
in
the
community
also
something
that
I
did
not
mention,
but
I,
like
too,
is
that,
if
you
recall,
dino
robinson
had
worked
with
the
commission
to
obtain
markers
for
some
sites
buildings
or
where
the
location
of
some
buildings
were
and
he's
planning
to
dedicate
two
of
the
markers
in
the
month
of
may
the
locations
yet
to
be
determined.
I'm
working
or
I'll
be
working
with
the
public
works
department
so
that
we
can
help
them
to
prepare
the
site
to
that.
E
For
the
note,
so
he
will
be
the
one
actually
placing
those
markers
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
throughout
the
year
with
new
locations.
So
that's
a
very
good
success
story
where
we
are
helping
deanna,
robinson's
organization
short
front
with
that
cultural
event.
B
So
they
don't
necessarily
have
to
start
over.
You
can
continue
it
once
if,
if
they
don't
come
back
for
the
next
meeting,
all
that
that
means
is
is
you
can
continue
that
again,
we
would
just
have
to
re-notice
the
case.
So
I
don't
and
I
I
can
explain
that
to
him
because
it
might
take
longer
than
than
he
thinks.
H
And
to
that
end,
if
I
I
think,
maybe
we
see
what
they
come
back
with,
but
I'm
I
will
volunteer
to
do
one
of
those
informal
meetings
with
our
architect
to
to
go
over
things.
If
we
think
that'll
expedite.