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B
B
All
persons
who
wish
to
address
the
commission
regarding
an
application
shall
sign
in,
and
I
believe
carlos
has
already
passed
out
the
sign-in
sheets
and
indicate
the
application
to
be
addressed.
Additional
sign-in
sheets
will
be
available
for
persons
to
record
their
attendance
at
the
commission
meeting.
B
So,
just
to
briefly
outline
the
meetings
process
for
tonight,
the
staff
liaison
will
read
the
case
into
record
and
then
once
the
case
is
read,
the
applicant
will
approach
the
podium
introduce
themselves
and
then
they
will
present
an
overview
of
their
proposal,
including
evidence
and
testimony
to
support
the
applicable
standards
being
met.
The
commissioners
will
then
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
and
then
once
the
questioning
period
is
finished,
members
of
the
public
may
speak
towards
the
application.
D
Can
you
call,
can
you
call
sorry
this
is
assistant
city
attorney
george?
Can
you
just
call
a
roll
call
of
the
members
present
today
sure.
B
So
our
first
order
of
business
today
is
under
old
business
and
it's
1514
judson
avenue,
which
is
a
landmark
property
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district.
So
will
the
applicant
for
judson.
Please
come
up,
thank
you
and
if
you
could
introduce
yourself,
please
I'm
and
then
carlos
did
you
give
them
the
pointer.
B
J
J
J
K
J
J
J
This
is
the
existing
residence
as
it
is
today,
post
renovation,
we
will
be
bought.
Excuse
me,
carlos.
We
will
be
borrowing
a
number
of
the
details
that
are
currently
on
this
house
and
there's
a
slide
coming
up.
That
illustrates
that
next
one
please,
this
is
the
west
elevation
facing
the
garage
again
post
renovation.
J
Well,
here's
our
our
garage,
the
door
side
is
the
west
elevation
facing
the
mather
and
on
the
alley
on
the
left
side
of
the
slide.
You
see
the
east
elevation
or
the
one
predominantly
facing
the
house,
and
you
can
see
in
the
back
the
matter
looming
above
the
structure,
our
structure
again,
there
are
no
immediately
adjacent
buildings
for
context.
J
J
K
J
We
are
even
going
to
use
the
the
round
downspouts
and
the
vintage
gutters
on
the
edition.
Let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
J
This
is
basically
the
existing
footprint
of
the
garage
as
it
is
currently
it.
I
don't
know
that
there's
a
lot
to
say
here.
It's
a
four
car
garage
with
some
old
clay,
tile
dividing
wall
and
some
wood
columns,
we're
going
to
clean
up
all
of
that
somewhat
sketchy
structure
and
obviously
we'll
reframe
the
roof
for
floor
framing
as
opposed
to
the
roof
framing
that
currently
exists
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
Yeah,
keep
going,
I
think
I've
taken
taken
it
off
were.
J
J
Next
slide,
please:
this
is
the
floor,
fan
floor
plan
for
just
illustration
purposes.
I
think
the
big
thing
you
should
notice
here,
which
was
somewhat
problematic
in
the
original
presentation,
is
that
the
fireplace
has
been
moved
entirely
inside
and
won't
be
expressed
on
the
exterior
of
the
building,
as
it
once
was.
J
C
J
I
think
this
is
largely
self-explanatory.
You
can
see
that
we've
repeated
the
aesthetic
of
the
mutton
windows.
The
railing
from
the
existing
house
in
front
is
duplicated
here,
just
as
a
decorative
element,
obviously
a
door.
At
that
second
floor,
the
the
I
think
it
was
pointed
out
last
time
that
we
were
right
on
the
property
line
on
the
south
elevation,
so
the
overhangs
and
everything
are
now
and
were
inside
that
property
line
we've
created
the
effect
of
an
overhang
by
simply
holding
back
the
wing
wall
slightly
here.
K
C
C
J
J
J
Nothing
really
new
to
point
out
here
other
than
that,
it's
a.
We
think
the
volumes
mirror
quite
nicely
those
of
the
existing
home
and.
A
A
B
Mr
schaefer,
why
don't
you
have
a
seat
and
then
we'll
just
quickly
discuss?
Does
anyone
have
any
discussions,
discussion
items?
No,
would
anyone
like
to
make
a
motion
for
this
case
john.
C
I
Thank
you,
carlos.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
property
at
1514
judson
avenue,
landmark
case
22,
prez,
zero,
zero,
0013.
C
B
C
I
F
B
B
N
N
I
was
hired
to
pretty
much.
The
goal
was
to
refresh
the
front
porch,
bring
it
back
to
life
and
open
up
the
porch
was
it
which
is
existingly
closed
open
to
the
street,
which
is
very
common
within
the
street
that
they
live
on.
Most
majority
of
all
the
porches
are
open.
Porches
with
you
know
like
with
a
strong,
curb
appeal
and
focus
on
the
street
and
neighbors,
so
that
was
kind
of
our
goal
with
this
project
and
a
lot
of
it
is
more
elimination
versus
addition
and
slightly
changing
some
of
the
proportions.
N
So
this
is
existing
elevation,
where
we
have
two
existing
wing.
Walls
is
what
I'm
calling
them.
I
guess
that
kind
of
go
over
the
pitch
of
the
roof.
You
can
almost
kind
of
look
at
the
part.
The
top
part
is
a
parapet
wall
and
then
those
kind
of
flank
the
porch
enclosure
and
then
there's
also
an
existing
stucco
and
well
you
can't
you
might
be
able
to
see
it
in
the
photos,
but
there's
a
wall
beyond
this
column,
and
so
it
kind
of
separates
the
two
spaces.
N
So
the
entryway
is
open
and
then
the
sitting
area
is
completely
enclosed
with
some
storm
windows
that
were
probably
you
know
installed
later
on
in
time,
probably
in
the
70s
or
80s.
N
N
We
I,
we
literally
couldn't
find
any
reference
of
this
anywhere
in
the
neighborhood,
as
well
as
on
any
part
of
rest
of
the
house,
and
so
one
of
the
things
they
wanted
to
address
was:
could
we
remove
the
wing
walls
and
have
similar
porches
to
what's
on
the
street
and
within
the
neighborhood?
N
So
a
few
of
the
things
that
we
proposed
to
do
was
there's
also
an
existing
in
this
elevation.
The
proposed
elevation,
you
can
kind
of
see
the
opening.
You
can't
see
it
in
this
elevation,
but
there's
a
door
beyond
that
goes
into
the
sitting
area
and
what
we're
proposing
is
basically
replacing
that
doorway
with
just
a
window,
because
it
just
feels
like
a
concerning
security
issue
with
two
doors
looked
awkward
as
well
as
for
safety
reasons.
N
The
nice
thing
about
this
is
because
the
wall
is
taller
than
two
feet.
You
know
we'd
have
a
window
sill
at
two
feet,
so
you
know
the
proportions
of
the
opening
would
pretty
much
remain
similar
to
what
they
are
at
least
visible
from
the
street
or
the
sidewalk,
and
then
we're
proposing
to
remove
the
wall
in
between
these
two
areas,
to
open
it
up
and
to
span.
I
I
believe
the
structure
should
be
able
to
span
it,
but
of
course
we'll
reinforce
that
as
needed.
N
N
We
were
realizing
that
the
walls
that
are
below
just
proportionally
look
very
weak
and
so
we're
kind
of
widening
those
so
that
they
they
look
more
like
a
column
in
structure,
and
then
we
also
the
the
walls
by
the
stairs.
N
They
go
all
the
way
up
to
the
the
partial
wall
on
the
porch,
and
so
we're
lowering
that
just
to
emphasize
that
the
stair
structure
is
a
secondary
area
and
then
also
just
to
provide
more.
You
know
I
envisioned
like
planters
could
be
on
it
just
to
reinforce
that.
That's
the
entry
into
the
space,
and
then
we
would
just
patch
and
repair
all
the
materials
that
are
as
needed.
Like
the
roof
line.
N
I
don't
know,
that's
the
roof
would
be
patched
and
repaired
on
both
sides.
You
know
any
of
the
stucco
that
needed
to
be
repatched
and
repaired
and
then
there's
clearly
some
of
the
decking
needs
to
be
reinforced.
Some
of
the
wood
has
rotted
and
needs
to
be
replaced,
but
other
than
that
all
the
materials
would
remain
the
same
and
that's
pretty
much
the
proposal
carlos.
We
have
like
a
few
different
renderings
that
I
kind
of
well.
So
these
are,
if
we
continue
so
this
would
be.
N
The
top
elevation
is
the
north
elevation,
where
we're
showing
like
that
the
pitch
of
the
roof
would
remain
and
then
those
walls
would
be
removed.
If
you
scroll
down
and
that
was
proposed-
and
then
here's
the
south
elevation
with
the
same
scenario
that
we
would
do
on
each
side,
you
can
continue
down
carlos.
N
Here's
the
like
almost
you,
know
slightly
off
center,
but
a
rendering
of
the
porch
as
proposed
without
the
wing
walls
above
it,
and
if
we
can
go
below
there's
a
few
more.
I
think.
N
N
H
N
Well,
it's
kind
of
per
request
from
my
clients,
but
also
it
was
just
they
seem
so
heavy,
and
it's
also
like
a
element
that
we
don't
really
see
in
the
neighborhood
at
all.
And
so
I
think
that
was
more
of
a
reflection
of
you
know.
What's
existing
in
the
neighborhood.
F
F
N
I
have
no
documentation
of
it
being
originally
open
and
then
closed.
It's
more
the
windows,
especially
there's
a
doorway,
and
then
there
is
a
stucco
wall
with
a
doorway.
It's
predominantly
open
between
the
two
spaces,
but
the
you
know
once
again
that
could
have
even
been
it's
just.
The
windows
are
clearly
not
old.
F
N
Yeah,
I
guess
I'm
just
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
always
intended
to
be
enclosed
or
if
those
were
added
later.
I
have
no
proof
of
that.
F
And
then
I
see
that
these
wing
walls
are
kind
of
are
they
kind
of
at
an
angle,
sort
of
a
battered
kind
of
yeah.
F
N
H
When,
when
you
fatten
them,
you
also
fatten
the
little
wing
walls
at
the
side
of
the
stair.
Is
that
correct,
because
your
rendering
shows
the
line
of
demarcation
going
away
basically,
and
it
also
looks
like
you've
extended
from
from
your
drawings
to
the
photograph,
it
looks
like
you've
also
extended
those
out
further.
Are
you
redoing
the
front
steps
up
to
the
porch
as
well.
N
We
won't
be
rebuilding
them
unless
there's
repair
that
needs
to
be
done.
I
I
pretty
much
was
just
proposing
to
lower
the
the
walls
so
that
they
were
less,
especially
just
because
if
we
open
up
the
other
area,
just
to
kind
of
make
like
I
said,
the
primary
space
to
be
the
porch
and
then
the
stairs
to
be
secondary.
P
O
So
that
the
windows
right
now
are
enclosing
that
opening
on
the
porch
right
so
was
that
vertical
part
of
the
column
of
sorts
on
to
the
right
of
the
opening
the
stair
opening.
Do
you
think
that
was
there
at
one
point
or
when
or
what.
O
N
There
are
a
few
different
porches
that
my
clients
and
I
would
use
as
reference
to
what
we
were
kind
of
our
intentions.
So
if
oh
here,
they
are
great.
N
N
So
this
is
another
porch.
It
was
just
more
what
we
were
looking
around
the
neighborhood,
it's
similar
porches
and
what
appealed
to
them.
But
so
you
can
see
some
similarities,
the
stucco,
the
white
one
of
the
things
I
took
away
from
this
was
the
opening
this
larger
opening,
spanning
instead
of
having
that
separate
stucco
wall
and
then
also,
like,
I
said,
bringing
down
these
wing
walls
lower,
but
you
can
see
like
they
have
a
similar
scenario
with
the
opening
on
each
side
and
it's
all
a
stucco
enclosure.
H
N
Guardrail
handrail
excuse
me,
and
then
this
was
another
one,
that
we
are
looking
at
once
again,
like
with
the
opening
in
between
the
two
no
structure
above
just
a
simple
hip
roof,
although
we
wanted
to
just
do
a
shed
roof
and
then
the
larger
columns
that
kind
of
anchor
this
you
know
anchor
the
long
span
in
space.
H
H
No
problem
with
the
design
as
an
architect,
if
I
were
a
card
carrying
preservationist,
I
might
only
question-
would
be.
H
Can
you
accomplish
what
you're
trying
to
do
here
without
making
the
extent
of
modifications
to
the
original
historic
structure
that
you're
proposing,
but,
like
I
said,
I
think
the
thing
you've
done
looks
very
nice
and
architecturally.
I
certainly
have
no
problem
with
it.
Nor
do
I
have
a
problem
with
its
compatibility
with
the
style
or
elements
of
the
existing
house.
E
F
So
I
I
I
think
that
the
design
is
nice
if
it
were
a
true
landmark.
As
I
mean,
I
would
agree
that
as
a
contributor,
it's
probably
fine.
I
think
it's
sort
of
a
shame
to
lose
that
battered
quality
that
you
know
they're
putting
the
robust
aspect
of
it
back
by
thickening
it
so.
F
O
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
say
something
about
the
battered
walls
as
well,
just
because
in
in
straight
on
in
elevation,
it's
fine,
but
I
think
from
perspective
view
you
know
down
the
street.
It's
it's
just
a
nice
element,
but
it's
nothing.
That
is
going
to
prevent
me
from
supporting
the
project,
but
I
do
appreciate
opening
up
the
porch,
especially
because
most
of
the
other
homes
on
the
block
have
open
porches.
B
H
H
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
appropriateness
to
1229
judson
avenue
to
alter
the
structure's
primary
elevation
by
opening
a
previously
enclosed
front,
porch,
removing
two
stucco
wing
walls
above
the
existing
roof
line,
altering
the
dimension
of
the
porch
stucco
pilot
and
stucco
posts,
and
installing
a
new
wood
window
in
an
existing
porch
opening
applicable
standards
alterations
one
through
ten
and
construction.
Three
four
and
seven.
B
A
B
R
Hello,
my
name
is
thomas
allman,
I'm
the
owner
of
studio
tallow
architecture-
and
I
am
the
architect
for
this.
For
this
edition
and
renovation.
S
Hello,
I'm
sean
frisch,
I'm
the
property
development
manager
for
the
owner
of
the
home.
So
if
anything
comes
up
I'll,
be
here
to
speak,.
R
Okay,
so
my
client
approached
us:
they'd
purchased
the
house
and
they
were
interested
in
making
a
sensitive
addition
renovation
to
the
home.
R
R
R
It
is
a
it's
a
stone
house.
It
really
fits
in
with
the
proximity
to
northwestern
with
the
stone.
It
is
not
going
anywhere.
It
actually
has
a
concrete
and
steel
beam.
First
floor,
well-built
house.
R
The
addition
is
actually
very
small,
so
take
a
close
look
at
where
the
bay
is
on
the
southeast,
so
the
home
is
built
in
1940
and
there
was
an
addition
in
1990,
the
1990s
that
included
a
bay
at
the
south
end
of
the
east
wall
and
enclosed.
What
was
previously,
I
guess,
an
l-shaped
house
so
that
rectangle
and
the
upper
described
by
the
upper
right
hand
corner
was.
Was
it
enclosed?
R
And
you
can
see
the
extent
of
the
addition
on
the
ground
floor
and
I
don't
remember
what
the
number
is-
and
I
can't
read
it
from
here,
but
I
want
to
say
it's
about
six
feet
or
something
like
that.
What's
that
one,
and
then
we
have
a
porch,
that's
open
on
a
with
a
roof.
Porch,
that's
open
on
three
sides
letting
down
to
a
terrace.
R
R
The
first
floor
you
can
see
the
the
space
it
has
a
very
outdoor
feel
it
has
stone
floors
and
the
exterior
of
the
stones
visible
on
the
the
west
side
of
the
room
and
a
really
massive
fireplace,
not
a
particularly
useful
space,
the
next
one.
R
So
there
you
can
see
the
addition
bumping
up
just
a
little
bit.
I
should
have
pointed
it
out
in
the
previous
plan.
The
previous
plan,
the
kitchen
had
not
been
touched.
The
kitchen
was
kind
of
locked
in
the
back,
not
really
how
folks
live
these
days
and.
R
R
Nice
thanks
so
so
you
know
the
the
addition
is
essentially
this
part
here
on
the
first
floor,
there's
a
bay
with
the
banquette,
so
the
kitchen
area
can
be
opened
to
the
family
room
and
it's
essentially
just
you
know,
cleaning
up
what
was
the
kitchen
as
a
generous
mud
room
from
the
back
no
changes
to
the
front
of
the
house
on
the
first
floor.
R
So
this
is
the
existing
second
floor
and
it's
there's
there's
an
error
in
these
drawings
and
I'm
going
to
point
it
out.
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
find
it
right
away.
R
R
So
the
goal
was
to
add
a
bedroom
and
a
proper
bedroom
and
then
suite
a
bathroom
to
each
of
those.
So
you
can
see
we've
built
over
the
it
had
a
white
membrane
roof,
so
we're
building
over
that
and
extending
out
just
a
bit.
So
each
bedroom
gets
a
bathroom
and
this
becomes
a
more
reasonable
space
for
for
a
bedroom.
That's
the
1990s
bay
edition
right.
There.
R
And
so
we
added
the
stair
that
extends
up
bedrooms
on
either
side
and
a
bathroom.
And
this
is
the
the
only
change
to
the
front,
which
is
a
gable
which
we'll
probably
see
in
the
next
drawings.
R
So
it
has
sort
of
a
dutch
wood,
siding
that
we'll
be
replacing
where
we
need
to
where
it's
in
bad
shape
and
then
matching
exactly
will
have
a
knife
made
to
match
it
on
the
back
the
so
there
you
can
see
it's
it's
it's
kind
of
a
it's
got
a
bit
of
a
forehead
in
terms
of
how
much
of
the
the
gable
is
visible
from
the
street
the
way
it
comes
and
lands
right
on
top
of
the
head
of
the
windows.
R
R
So
that's
the
size
of
a
dormer
that's
allowed
and
the
window
with
so
a
privacy
screen
or
film
and
matching
shutters,
and
we
felt
we
we
studied
this
six
ways
from
sunday
we
looked
at
it
this.
This
is
you'll
see
in
the
next
elevations.
This
is
actually
stepped
back
from
the
front
facade.
R
There
was
no
zoning
restriction,
we're
well
back
from
the
the
27th
square,
27
foot
front,
step
back
mutation.
We
set
it
back
because
when
we
had
it
out
to
the
front
it
made
for
a
much
bigger
addition
more
useful
space,
but
it
felt
like
it
was
overpowering
the
entrance
a
little
bit,
and
so
by
setting
it
back,
there
was
just
less
wall
and
it
was
big
enough,
not
the
biggest
bathroom
but
big
enough.
R
And
there
you
can
see
the
south,
so
the
materials
of
the
house
are
the
the
wood
siding
with
the
with
the
dutch
profile,
there's
a
bead
and
then
the
the
limestone
and
then
there's
a
wood
shake
roof
here
and
there's
a
metal
seam
roof
there
and
a
standing,
seam
copper
roof
there,
and
you
can
see
that
the
the
line
of
the
dormer
is
stepped
back.
So
it
doesn't
overpower
the
front
of
the
house
and
the
other
changes.
R
The
the
cable
vents
become
windows
that
provide
for
egress,
fresh
air
and
light,
and
here
you
can
see
the
the
covered
the
covered
porch,
which
has
a
standing
seam
metal
roof
to
match
that
roof
right.
There.
R
In
the
addition,
the
main
roof
of
the
addition
is
cedar
shake
roof
to
match
the
cedar,
shake
roof
on
the
on
the
existing
house.
One
thing
there
we
go:
this
is
the
side
of
the
the
existing
north
elevation,
which
the
windows
are
a
little
bit
different
than
on
the
original
house.
R
So
this
is
the
area
where
the
kitchen
is
so.
We've
got
new
openings
with
windows
that
would
be
we're
proposing
new
insulated
glass,
marvin
wood
windows
to
replace
the
windows
in
the
house.
This
was
an
interesting
one.
The
the
the
preservation
ordinance
talks
about
windows
being
particularly
valuable
components
in
the
historic
character
of
homes
before
1940.,
this
house
was
built
in
1940.,
so
the
windows
are
single
pane.
R
A
lot
of
them
are
not
in
great
shape
and
very
energy
and
efficient,
and
one
of
the
goals
for
the
new
homeowners
is
to
make
the
home
as
energy
efficient
as
possible.
So,
and
I
think
the
the
application
has
the
profiles
of
the
existing
windows
and
the
ones
that
we're
proposing.
R
R
The
detailing
on
the
columns
matches
the
plasters
on
the
front
of
the
house.
It's
pretty
pretty
subdued,
I'm
not
sure
what
you
call
it.
It
has
sort
of
a
diamond
shape
in
the
capital,
but
we've
matched
that
on
the
back
with
the
metal
railing
and
the
stone
that
matches
the
existing
house.
R
So
here
the
axona,
metrics
or
bird's
eye
views.
You
can
see
the
the
garage
the
garage
actually
has
a
little
dormer
and
that
was
sort
of
that.
Don't
that
was
so
that
was
kind
of
that
dormer.
I
think
if,
if
you
look
at
the
north,
that
comes
right
up
off
the
wall,
so
that's
what
we
studied
first
to
match
that
way
of
doing
a
dormer
on
the
house,
but,
like
I
said,
we
felt
that
stepping
it
back
kept
it
in
proportion
to
the
scale
of
the
house
a
little
better.
R
So
there
are
no
skylights
on
the
front
of
the
house.
We
do
have
skylights
to
bring
a
little
bit
of
a
little
bit
more
light
and
air
and
a
little
bit
more
sense
of
space
to
the
to
the
attic
bedrooms.
And
then
these
are
located
right
over
the
stairs.
R
R
And
this
is
the
back
from
more
from
the
from
the
north
east.
I
guess.
R
H
S
Yes,
so
I
I
work
for
the
family
that
owns
a
home,
I
handle
all
their
real
estate
across
across
the
country.
They
do
own
this
house
and
plan
on
using
it
as
a
single
family
home
for
their
daughter.
I
B
So
I
notice
with
the
renderings
and
stuff
there's
just
no
contacts,
and
you
know
I
think
all
of
us
have
have
looked
at
the
property.
But
can
you
maybe
just
walk
us
through
how
the
additions
and
how
all
that
relates
to
the
the
context
around
it
sure.
B
R
Yeah,
so
the
you
can
see,
we
didn't
have
a
survey
of
the
building
to
the
north
or
the
south,
and
I
didn't
want
to
represent
in
a
document
to
you
all
exactly
where
it
is
so,
but
it
is,
I
think
it's
about
14
feet
away.
Our
current
our
north
wall
is
five
5.1
feet
away.
So
I
think
the
zoning
requirement
is
five
feet.
I
think
the
zoning
requirement
is
here.
I've
got
it
in
the
back.
R
Yeah,
you
can
see
the
rear
set
back
there
and
in
terms
of
the
the
mass
on
the
lot
it's
in
the
zoning
application.
You've
seen
that,
but
the
the
allowable,
the
lot
is
12
972
square
feet,
providing
for
at
30
percent
3891.6
square
feet
with
this
addition
were
3204
square
feet,
so
we've
got
about
six
over
600
feet,
that's
you
know
could
be,
could
be
developed,
but
it's
not
being
developed
as
part
of
this
project.
O
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
to
the
extent
of
the
windows.
How
many
of
them
are
are
rotting
or
severe
deterioration.
R
R
They
are
wood,
yeah,
yeah
and
we're
proposing
insulated
wood
windows.
O
H
You
know
as
a
dormer,
I
think
in
my
opinion
it
would
look
better
narrower
or
at
that
width.
It
would
look
better
engaging
the
front
facade
of
the
house
and,
I
think,
emphasizing
the
the
vertical
axis
of
the
entry
door.
But
if
you
have
a
reason
why
you
did
it
yeah.
R
Sure
so
it's
just
function,
so
it
needed
to
have
six
eight.
If
you,
if
you
go
to
the
attic
plan
well,
the
first
premise
was
we're
going
to
use
the
roof
pitches
that
we've
got
so
we're
not
going
to
introduce
a
steeper
pitch,
we're
not
going
to
do
a
shed
roof
because
there
are.
D
R
H
R
Yeah,
so
I
guess
my
response
and
I'd
be
happy
to
hear
what
the
others
think,
and
the
first
thing
is
that
we
wanted
to
stick
with
the
roof
pitch
that
we
had
and
then
the
second
thing
is
like
that's
six
feet.
Eight,
so
you've
got
six
feet,
eight
for
the
shower
most
of
the
toilet
and
to
the
back.
R
But
then
it's
it's
at
six
feet,
eight,
and
if
you
to
go
so
that's
sort
of
kind
of
how
we
end
up
with
a
tiny
little
bit
of
space,
that's
doesn't
get
used
and
that's
pretty
common
in
houses
like
this.
No
no.
H
I'm
asking
the
question
the
other
way
around
if
you
from
the,
if
you
were
to
narrow
the
dormer
down
to
the
width
of
the
actual
bathroom.
R
Right,
I
guess
the
best
way,
then
would
be
to
look
at
it
from
the
outside
and
now
so
there
was
meeting
the
interior
requirements
of
the
space,
and
then
there
was
the
proportions
of
the
of
the
building.
The
building
has
a
I
kind
of
jokingly
refer
to
it
as
a
large
forehead,
there's
a
very
large
gable
that
lands
right
above
the
eave
of
the
window.
R
That
has
a
gives
it
kind
of
a
heavy
feeling,
I
think-
and
so
when
you
take
that
and
you
go
straight
up,
we
were
calling
it
the
rocket
ship
in
the
office.
It
really
felt
like
it
was
no
longer
a
dormer,
but
it
was
trying
to
really
change
the
character
of
the
facade,
and
this
is
this
kind
of
strong
horizontal
line
is
an
important
part
of
the
facade.
In
my
opinion,
this
isn't
you
know
there
are.
R
There
are
other
buildings
in
evanston
that
might
have
more
interesting
or
attractive
roof
lines,
but
this
roof
is
what
it
is
and
we
felt
that
making
a
tiny
dormer
would
feel
just
out
of
proportion.
With
the
facade
I
mean,
you
see,
houses
that
have
several
small
dormers
and
it
kind
of
makes
sense
in
a
rhythm.
I
we
weren't
going
to
do
several
dormers
to
get
a
bathroom,
so
it
when
we
start
with
kind
of
the
space
that
we
need.
T
R
So
it
becomes
a
little
hat
sitting
on
it
and
it
was
you
know
these
are
questions
of
proportions.
We
felt
this
work
pretty
well.
C
Right:
okay,
we
have
a
list
of
people
who
signed
up
to
speak,
is
mary
singh
here
to
speak
for
this
project.
Q
Ours
isn't
one
of
them,
but
we're
in
between
two
of
them
and
then
there's
another
at
the
north
end
of
the
block.
Over
the
years
I've
seen
these
neighbors
owning
these
properties
spend
thousands
of
dollars
to
maintain
these
landmark
buildings.
Even
before
there
was
a
landmark
commission
because
we
used
to
go
through
the
zoning
ordinance
mainly
to
protect
the
block.
Q
L
U
Me
eight
and
a
half
years
ago,
and
I'm
going
to
emphasize
the
word
downsized,
our
small
cape
cod
next
door
will
be
dwarfed,
but
the
sarawitz's
proposed
edition.
That's
the
family,
directly
next
door
to
the
north
of
us.
The
main
reason
we
picked
our
smaller
home
besides
its
proximity
to
the
lake
into
northwestern,
was
its
tremendous
backyard.
It's
a
little
slice
of
heaven
back
there.
We
can
let
out
our
dogs.
We
can
have
an
adult
beverage.
U
U
U
I'm
encouraging
you
to
use
your
historical
commission.
Your
applicable
standards
are
in
the
packet
under
alteration,
point
nine,
that
the
design
has
to
be
compatible
with
the
features
size,
scale,
proportion,
massing,
color,
material
and
character
of
the
property,
neighborhood
and
environment
and
under
your
construction
subheading
point
10
is
titled
scale
of
the
structure.
U
U
U
U
Also
surprising
is
the
proposed
edition
of
that
new
gable
dormer
to
the
front
of
the
home
in
all
of
our
previous
dealings
with
commission.
You've
been
adamant
about
not
changing
a
home's
facade
just
for
the
sake
of
change,
including
window
size,
or
we
even
want
to
remove
these
strange
ball
like
corbels.
We
have,
and
you
guys
said
no,
this
there's
no
ecstatic
reason
for
this
gable.
U
U
My
husband
and
I
are
the
neighbors
who
spoke
directly
with
steve
sarawitz
about
his
planned
usage
of
the
house,
and
he
plainly
said
it's
for
his
daughter.
Sarah,
who
is
a
freshman
at
northwestern
steve,
also
said
she
was
going
to
invite
three
four
or
five
of
her
friends
to
come,
live
with
her
despite
evanston's
ordinance
6-4-1-14,
which
we
all
know
requires
no
more
than
three
unrelated
persons
can
live
together.
C
Thank
you,
miss
ritz
is
mr
phil
ritz
going
to
speak.
Sorry,
that's
fine.
Just
want
to
make
sure.
Thank
you.
Okay,
claire
kelly
is
she's
going
to
speak.
V
V
Claire
kelly
council
member
for
the
first
award,
and
thank
you
all
for
your
service
for
bringing
your
expertise
to
this
incredibly
important
commission.
I
care
very
deeply
about
historic
preservation
and
especially
in
evanston.
I'm
sure
you'll
see
a
lot
more
of
me
in
the
coming
years.
As
I
seek
landmarking
status
for
buildings,
and
I
hope
we
can
expand
our
historic
districts
so
that
more
evanstonians
can
enjoy
the
profound
benefits
that
living
in
a
historic
district
brings.
V
Some
of
the
purposes
of
our
ordinance
that
have
been
so
successful
in
in
an
essential
in
making
evanston
what
it
is
include,
safeguarding
and
protecting
our
historic
districts
and
protecting
the
attractiveness
for
everyone,
including
nearby
homeowners
and
preventing
neighborhood
deterioration,
as
well
as
encouraging
orderly
development.
V
I'm
just
going
to
ask
this
evening
that
the
commission,
please
consider
the
negative
impact
of
the
proposed
significant
alterations
in
construction
and
apply
the
applicable
standards
with
regard
to
727
hinman
and
please
keep
in
mind
those
purposes
right
to
safeguard
and
protect
our
historic
districts
to
protect
the
attractiveness
for
everyone,
including
nearby
homeowners,
as
well
as
to
protect
the
integrity
of
our
neighborhoods,
as
well
as
preventing
the
deterioration
of
our
neighborhoods.
I
ask
that
you
reject
this
certificate
of
application.
D
Them
can
I
just
sorry,
sorry
assistant
city
attorney,
brian
george.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
council
member
kelly
that
it
could
be
considered
inappropriate
for
you
for
a
council
member
to
use
their
position
on
the
city
council
to
influence
the
commission's
decision
one
way
or
other
on
a
site-specific
project.
V
D
Be
allowed
to
speak,
maybe
as
a
resident
of
the
ward.
What's.
D
By
within
you
know,
x
amount
of
feet
but
clearly
using
the
position
as
a
council
member
to
speak
out
in
favor
of
or
against
any
specific.
V
D
Member
kelly,
the
city
council
rules,
while
they
don't
specifically
name
the
preservation
commission,
do
forbid
council
members
from
testifying
before
plan
commission
which
no
longer
exists,
but
is
the
land
use
commission
on
site-specific
projects,
and
I
think
the
same
reasoning
would
apply
here.
V
So
I'm
sorry
you're
gonna
have
to
elaborate
so
which
so
I
know
many
aldermen
have
often
spoken
before
many
commissions
and
then
later
voted,
and
I
can
cite
several
of
them.
So
is
this
all?
Does
this
only
apply
to
the
preservation
commission?
Because
I
mean,
can
you
explain
to
me
then
what
it
means
here
where
it
says
that
an
ex-officio
member
of
the
commission
includes
members
of
the
city
council,
which
would
then
give
me
the
right
to
speak.
V
W
W
The
scale
and
character
of
the
proposed
grandiose
edition
and
exterior
renovation
are
not
in
keeping
with
the
rest
of
the
black.
There
are
certainly
some
large
homes,
mine
included,
but
none
that
have
attempted
to
incorporate
such
a
modern,
exterior,
aesthetic
hear
what
appears
to
be
an
odd
variation
on
the
ubiquitous
modern,
farmhouse
style.
That's
so
prevalent
throughout
non-historic
parts
of
evanston
and
the
north
shore.
W
I
understand
that
the
commission
has
been
cautioned
that
they
are
only
tasked
to
consider
the
historic
preservation
related
design
aspects
of
the
proposed
exterior
renovation.
In
addition,
I
believe
that
maintaining
residential
integrity
and
conservation
of
neighborhoods
would
fit
under
a
broad
reading
of
your
mandate.
W
W
I
think
it's
also
worth
noting
that
the
real
estate
development
company
listed
on
the
application
four
s
bay
partners
has
a
pattern
of
ignoring
historic
preservation
and
neighborhood
concerns,
despite
their
stated
mission,
to
quote
partner
with
community
to
create
economic
opportunities
and
amplify
storytelling
of
for
and
about
marginalized
communities.
End
quote
most
recently.
They
were
behind
the
demolition
of
a
century-old
saint
stephenson
missionary
baptist
church
on
the
near
west
side
of
chicago.
W
I
am
also
struggling
to
understand
how
the
creation
of
a
six-bedroom
home
with
elevator
and
wine
cellar
for
habitation
by
college
students,
creates
economic
opportunity
or
tells
the
story
of
marginalized
communities
to
the
contrary.
It's
a
stark
example
of
the
excess
and
indulgence
of
the
most
wealthy
and
powerful
members
of
our
society
and
the
regularity
with
which
persons
in
this
group
act
without
regard
for
the
individuals
and
families
and
communities
who
will
be
affected
by
their
decisions
and,
to
be
sure,
all
the
residents
of
our
black
are
among
the
most
privileged.
W
X
Hello,
my
name
is
connor
shea.
I
live
on
the
block
as
well
at
1741
hinman.
Much
of
my
concerns
have
already
been
reiterated
by
the
previous
speakers.
So
I'll
keep
this
short.
I
am
a
new
resident
of
evanston.
I
moved
in
with
my
family
back
in
june
of
last
year,
and
one
of
the
reasons
we
chose
this
block
is
because
we
have
two
young
children
and
we
felt
very
strong
toward
the
residential
feel
of
the
street,
and
I
appreciate
our
neighbors.
X
As
you
can
see
today,
everyone
is
very
involved
in
making
sure
that
the
block
remains
a
safe
welcoming
place,
especially
for
families
and
residents.
I
too
share
the
concerns
that
were
brought
up
about
simply
the
immense
size
of
the
renovation
being
proposed
of
this
house.
I
don't
see
any
other
reason
for
why
a
house
of
this
size
would
need
six
ensuite
bedrooms
than
to
establish
some
kind
of
a
residence
which
concerns
me
for
the
reasons
that
were
already
brought
up.
X
So
I
know
the
dormer
has
been
discussed
over
and
over
again
at
this
meeting,
but
that
also
concerns
me
that
that's
a
significant
change
to
the
exterior
of
the
house,
in
addition
to
the
addition
going
into
the
rear
of
the
house,
which
is
brought
up
before
that,
would
extend
well
past
the
other
houses
on
the
block's
property
lines
to
the
rear.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
Your
time.
C
K
C
B
A
couple
specific
things
that
I've
heard
the
members
of
the
public
stating
are
obviously
the
standard
construction
10
relating
to
the
scale
of
the
structure,
construction
standard,
one
relating
to
the
height
of
the
edition,
and
if
you
could
speak
to
those
items
and
maybe
give
us
your
comments
and
then
we
will
obviously
allow
the
members
of
the
public
to
correct
anything.
R
Thanks
for
the
opportunity
so
to
as
far
as
the
the
height
of
the
building
is
31
feet,
11
inches
and
a
building
of
35
feet
is
allowed
and
we're
not
exceeding
the
height
of
the
existing
building.
The
addition
at
the
back
does
not
even
go
quite
up
to
the
ridge.
So,
as
and
like
I
said
before,
we've
got.
R
We
all
follow
the
rules
and
we're
using
600
less
square
feet
than
we
could
so
I
mean
I
guess
I
guess
it's
a
it's
a
big
addition
on
the
first
floor.
It's
about
six
feet,
so
we
didn't
feel
that
that
was
in
any
way
massive,
and
I
thanks
for
bringing
up
the
elevator.
R
We
were
advised
that
the
grandparents
would
want
the
opportunity
to
stay
on
the
ground
floor
and
that's
why.
If
you
go
back
to
the
ground
floor
plan,
the
powder
room
is
a
full
bath,
so
they
have
access
to
a
bathroom
and
that's
why
the
elevator
is
there
for
the
grandparents
did
you
was
there
something
else?
Besides
the
mass?
B
I
believe
it
was
just
the
scale
in
the
hotel.
Thank
you.
Did
any
of
the
commissioners
have
questions
for
mr
element.
No.
Is
there
anyone
from
the
public
that
would
like
to
make
any
comment
to
his
the
comments
that
have
come
back?
Y
Right
hi,
my
name's
phil
reitz,
I'm
725
hinman
husband,
there's
been
questions
about
what
is
the
purview
of
the
of
the
commission
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
was
I
looked
at
and
perhaps
I
don't
know
who
the
lawyer
is
around.
I
Y
Hi
george,
I
think
that
2.8.3
g15
talks
about
the
fact
that
that
the
commission
can
discuss
applications
for
conditional
use
that
relate
to
the
district
in
georgia.
Y
C
The
commission
previous
limited
to
what
they
can
reveal
on
any
exterior
alteration
requiring
a
permit.
They
are
applying
for
the
certificate
of
pro-apprentice
they're
not
applying
for
any
other
variation
from
zoning.
So
we
don't
know
until
they
apply
for
the
special
use.
Then
we
probably
not
be
able
to.
C
And
that
would
be
mostly
a
zoning
matter.
Although
the
commission
could
recommend
on
on,
according
to
the
ordinance
of
the
review
applications
of
plant
developments,
measures
on
variances
and
especially
uses
that
affect
the
exterior
or
designated
landmarks
of
structural
historic
district
that
are
visible
from
the
public
way
not
to
include
lake
michigan.
Y
Y
H
I
I
have
a
question
because
we're
we,
we
see
things
first,
where
people
are
applying,
for
instance,
for
a
zoning
variation,
which
is
usually
coverage
or
yard
setbacks.
We're
asked
to
make
recommendations,
so
is
it
within
our
purview
to.
G
H
D
H
So
so
we
hear
all
of
you
people
and
you're
at
the
wrong
meeting.
What
I
would
say
is
if
they
do
this
project
or
some
version
of
it,
and
there
are
unrelated
family
members
in
there
you
should
document
it.
They
will
be
in
violation
of
a
city
law,
they
will
be
fined
and
I
can't
imagine
if
they
did,
that
that
they
would
ever
be
granted
a
special
use
variation
for
this
building.
O
I
have
a
another
question:
when
a
property
owner
talks
to
their
neighbors
and
tells
them
the
use
the
intended
use
of
a
of
a
building,
and
then
they
I
mean
I'm
wondering
how
do
projects
normally
work?
Do
they
do
property
owners
ish?
You
know,
go
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
preservation
commission
concurrently,
at
the
same
time
as
zoning
or
does
the
preservation
commission
goes
first
contingent
on
zoning
approval
at
the
land
use
commission.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
process.
C
O
D
C
W
Where
do
the
residents
of
the
black
have
any
say
in
the
matter?
It
really
feels
like
the
finger
is
being
put
on
the
scale
from
the
get-go
and-
and
I
also
feel
it's
essential
to
mention-
and
I
had
this
conversation
with
the
zoning
people
that,
in
this
very
unique
circumstance
finding
these
owners
is
not
going
to
be
any
disincentive
to
proceeding
with
these
plans.
The
owner
of
this
property
is
a
multi-billionaire
finding
him
a
thousand
dollars
a
day,
isn't
going
to
keep
him
from
doing
what
he
wants.
W
Their
daughter
is
only
at
northwestern
for
three
years.
We
all
reached
out
to
say:
can
we
have
a
conversation
about
this?
Can
we
share
our
our
concerns,
and
not
only
did
we
not
even
get
a
nick
a
reply,
we
didn't
even
get
an
acknowledgement,
so
I
I
I'm
questioning
what
citizens
are
supposed
to
do,
if
not
come
to
our
government
and
our
state
and
our
city
commissions,
to
to
ask
for
help,
and
I
would
appreciate
some
answers,
especially
as
a
lawyer,
I'm
really
confused.
H
H
Planned
grand
single-family
house,
so
I
would
suspect
that
if,
at
the
back
of
somebody's
mind,
they're
going
to
put
their
daughter
up
for
four
years,
they're
planning
on
selling
this
house
at
some
point
in
the
future
as
a
single
family,
you
know
as
a
very
nicely
developed
single
family
house
with
every
possible
amenity
in
it,
and
I
think
that
the
crux
of
the
matter
here,
which
we
have
no
say
about,
is
how
the
house
is
to
be
used.
H
We
can
only
assume
that
it's
to
be
used
in
compliance
with
the
papers
that
have
been
filed
for
the
zoning
review
if
it
is
used.
Otherwise,
then
I
think
there
are
recourses
it's
not
a
thousand
dollars
a
day.
How
about?
If
somebody
comes
and
makes
everybody
vacate
a
property
shutters
it
and
they
can't
use
it.
H
C
C
No,
but
if
they,
if
they
do,
in
other
words,
we
don't
know
for
sure,
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
property
they
may
or
may
not
do
what
you
think
they
will
do.
We
don't
know
that
so,
but
if
they
were
to
have
more
than
three
unrelated
people
living
in
the
house,
that
would
be
a
violation
of
the
city
code
and
it
has
to
be
demonstrated
documented,
and
you
know.
O
Not
make
a
a
suggestion
could
could
we
possibly
continue
this
to
the
next
meeting
and
afford
the
residents
of
the
block
to
have
a
chance
with
the
aldermen
to
meet
with
the
property
owner
to
discuss
what
is
going
on.
B
F
C
C
C
Sometimes
they
require
like
a
window
that
becomes
an
egress
window.
The
building
officer
might
require
that
the
window
is
larger.
S
Hello,
my
name
is
sean
frisch,
as
I
stated
earlier,
I'm
the
property
development
manager,
the
owner's
representative,
so
I
handle
managing
all
their
construction
across
the
country
for
their
personal
use,
as
well
as
their
investment
uses.
This
is
probably
more
a
statement
for
the
assistant
city
attorney,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
conversation
about
the
use
of
this
home.
This
is
not
a
use
hearing.
This
is
a
hearing
about
the
preservation
of
the
historic
character
of
this
home.
S
I
believe
we've
designed
the
home
to
match
architecturally
the
scope
and
scale
of
the
neighborhood.
We
are
much
smaller
than
the
home
to
our
north.
We
are
a
little
bit
larger
than
the
home
to
our
south.
This
addition
is
not
extravagant
or
grandiose,
in
our
opinion,
we're
adding
a
second
story
addition
and
about
a
five
foot
extension
to
the
rear
of
the
home
and
a
dormer
on
the
front.
S
This
is
a
young
woman
who
has
the
means
to
own
a
home
in
evanston,
near
her
college
and
is
chosen
to
do
so.
She
would
like
to
renovate
it
to
make
it
more
livable
and
more
in
scope
and
scale
with
the
neighborhood
around
her.
She
specifically
chose
this
this
street
because
of
its
neighborhood
feel
as
quiet
as
as
it
is.
She
has
conditions
and
study
planning
so
that
she
has
a
quiet
street
and
is
not
doing
it
in
the
dorms.
S
S
K
B
R
I
just
I
just
want
to
make
just
one
quick
point
that
that
I'd
like
to
ask
george,
if
it's
possible,
I
think
a
continuance
is
not
appropriate
on
a
lot
of
levels,
and
I
just
want
I'd
like
to
know
the
assistant
city
attorney's
opinion
about
that.
K
B
H
Home
I've
been
looking
carefully
at
the
third
floor
plan
and
I
don't
know
what
the
head
room
is
at
the
perimeter
that's
shown,
but
it
certainly
looks
like
the
two
large
walk-in
closets
and
the
mechanical
room
could
be
rearranged
a
little
bit
that
you
could
put
a
two
foot
deep,
conventional
closet
at
the
entry
to
the
bedroom
and
actually
incorporate
the
bathrooms
into
the
plan
of
the
planning
of
the
space
under
the
roof,
which
would
mean
that
the
front
of
the
building
would
be
unchanged.
R
H
H
Right
so
that
we've
done
toilets
where
the
ceiling
goes
below
six
eight
as
long
as
it's
against
the
low
wall,
so
that
you
know,
when
you
sit
down
or
stand
up,
you
don't
hit
your
head.
The
the
one
end
of
a
tub
can
go
below
eight
feet.
I
don't
know
carol.
How
strongly
do
you
feel
that
the
dormer
is
out
of
keeping
with
the
front
of
the
house.
F
I
would
I
would
like
to
speak
to
alteration
standard
number,
two,
the
distinguishing
original
qualities
or
character
of
a
property
structure,
site
or
object,
and
its
environment
shall
not
be
destroyed
and
so
on.
I
would
say
that
the
front
facade
roof
form
un
impeded
is
a
and
it's
a
distinguishing
original
character,
defining
element
of
the
property,
and
I
would
suggest
that
perhaps
another
that's
some
other
solution
and
I'm
not
going
to
suggest
what
that
is.
O
I
think
I
agree
with
what
you
you
say
about
maintaining
the
the
front
facade
of
the
of
the
roof.
This
black
already
lost
a
significant
feature.
The
knighton
house
was
demolished
directly
across
the
street
from
from
the
property.
O
I
know
that
it's
not
part
of
our
discussion
tonight
about
that
house,
but
I
just
want
you
all
to
be
aware
that
this
black
has
already
lost
a
significant
feature,
so
I
think
that
maintaining
the
the
character
of
that
block,
I
think,
is
important.
H
So
susie
we
have
several
choice.
A
series
of
choices,
obviously
continuance
is
one
rejection
is
one
approval
is
the
other
is.
Is
that
a
correct
summary?
I.
B
Would
like
to
just
talk
to
george
about
the
options
for
this.
I
assume
that
we
are
obviously
in
our
purview
to
be
able
to
continue
the
case
with
reference
to
standards
applicable
standards,
possibly
referencing
the
dormer
itself,
or
if
the
applicant
would
prefer
us
to
make
a
motion
and
vote
on
it
tonight.
S
B
K
R
The
the
owner's
rep
just
mentioned
that
if,
if
the
dormer
in
this
case
is
a
legitimate
concern
of
the
preservation
commission
on
the
basis
of
those
items,
it
is
charged
with
protecting
and
is
not
being
bullied
by
a
group
based
on
a
possible
use,
then
then
we
will
just
take
the
drummer
off.
B
G
And
so
just
one
other
comment
is
just
the
rhythm
of
the
spacing
and
structures
on
the
streets.
I
know
that
this
talks
about
visual
compatibility
between
the
house
and
the
ones
next
to
it.
I'm
just
thinking
of
the
ac
units
between
it
and
the
prep,
the
neighboring
property.
Are
there
some
opportunities
to
relocate
those,
so
they
aren't
quite
so
impactful
again
the
standard
talks
about
visual
compatibility,
but
it's
also
audible
as
well.
R
So
we're
meeting
the
zording
audience
in
terms
of
how
far
they
need
to
be
back
right.
They
would
be
landscaped
if
it's
possible
to
move
them
around
back
we'd,
be
open
to
looking
at
that
open.
B
B
C
H
B
B
E
All
right
for
the
properly
property
located
at
1727,
hinman
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
case
number
22
press
0020.
E
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
west
elevation
roof
face
with
construction
of
a
gable
dormer
replace
the
exist.
The
home's
existing
single
pane
wood
windows
on
all
elevations
add
skylights
to
the
rear-facing
roof
face,
demolish
an
existing
circa
1990s
single-story
edition
at
the
rear
volume
of
the
residence
and
construct
a
new
two-story
edition
and
covered
porch
in
its
place.
F
May
I
speak
was
that
I
understood
that
that
was
not
going
to
be
a
recommendation.
Does
it
is
the
language.
B
I
B
O
C
Long
as
the
new
location,
if
that's
what
they
pursue,
does
need
the
zoning
ordinance
and
it's
less
of
a
burden
to
the
neighbor
that
will,
in
my
opinion,
be
eligible
for
staff
review.
Basically
following
the
commission's
recommendation,
if
they
add
a
new
air
conditioning
or
make
it
closer
to
to
the
property
line
or
anything
like
that,
no,
it
has
to
be
a
reduction
of
the
impact.
B
P
Our
clients
purchased
a
property
at
1624
wesley
avenue.
Unlike
the
previous
project
you
all
were
discussing,
they
are
a
young
family
planning
to
live
in
it
as
a
young
family.
They
just
had
their
first
child
excellent
and
we
are
looking
to
substantially
renovate
the
home
in
order
to
prepare
the
home
for
the
next
20
or
30
years
of
their
family
habitation
before.
C
P
P
C
C
P
Great,
thank
you.
So
is
this
a
is
there
a
laser
pointer
here.
P
The
star
okay,
so
this
is
our
site
plan
that
we
have
submitted,
and
the
site
plan
shows
wesley
avenue
here.
The
alley
back
here
and
the
primary
changes
that
affect
the
historic
character
of
the
house
are
a
second
story
screen
porch
shown
right
here.
That
is
an
addition
and
a
greenhouse
edition
here
on
the
north
west
side
of
the
house.
P
And
stuart,
to
make
you
happy,
we
submitted
plans
so
that
you
can
see
what's
going
on.
This
is
the
existing
first
floor
plan.
Well,
I'm
sorry
this
this
is
proposed.
I'm
sorry!
It
shows
the
greenhouse
here
on
the
lower,
and
this
is
the
first
floor.
Slash
basement,
there's,
there's
a
fairly
big
grade,
change
between
the
street
side
and
the
backyard
of
almost
seven
or
eight
feet,
and
so
this
is
the
current
entry
to
the
house
that
comes
in
here
we're
going
to
reconfigure
the
base.
P
What
is
now
primarily
a
basement
into
a
fully
habitable
space
and
add
a
greenhouse
off
of
an
office
here
that
also
connects
to
a
lower
level.
Kitchenette
part
of
the
reason
for
the
second
kitchen
is
that
that
one
of
the
couples
is
gluten
has
a
very,
very
severe
gluten
allergy.
So
this
is
the
kitchen
where
pizza
will
be
made
and
the
main
kitchen
will
have
no
gluten
as
part
of
the
program.
P
On
the
second
floor,
which
is
the
primary
living
floor,
there
are
really
no
changes
here
that
affect
the
overall
character
of
the
house.
There's
there
there's
a
minor
window
revision
here
where
we're
raising
the
sill
of
a
window
and
we're
and
we're
in
filling
the
window
an
existing
window.
That's
here
we're
doing
doing
a
slight
windowsill
race
here
and
we
are
in
filling
two
windows
here,
and
I
do
want
to
note
that
the
windows
in
this
section
are
new.
P
It
was
originally
a
covered
porch
and
the
windows
are
completely
different
than
every
other
window
in
the
house.
They
don't
have
the
mullions
they're,
not
original,
and
so
we
are
doing
a
fairly
substantial
reconfiguring
of
those
we
felt
that
was
appropriate,
given
that
those
windows
aren't
part
of
the
historic
character
of
the
house-
and
I
I
didn't
mention
earlier-
but
this
is
this-
is
quite
an
old
house-
it
is
a
landmark,
as
you
guys
know,
it
was
originally
constructed
in
1868,
but
significantly
altered
in
1907
by
william
otis.
P
As
I
assume
most
of
you
know,
his
work
he's
has
several
significant
structures
in
landmark
districts.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
fun
project
for
us
to
work
on.
Let's
go
down
to
the
next
slide,
please.
P
This
is
the
second
floor
here
and
you
can
see
this
is
the
screen
porch
here
and
you
can
see
the
roof
of
the
greenhouse
here.
We're
also
making
some
minor
changes
to
windows
here
on
the
north
side
to
facilitate
the
reconfiguring
of
the
primary
bedroom
and
bathroom
suite.
I
do
if
we
can
go
the
previous
slide.
Please
call
this.
I
forgot
to
mention
on
the
first
floor
that
we
are
making
some
changes
to
windows
here
in
order
to
bring
in
more
light
into
the
kitchen
all
right.
Let's
go
down
all
of
the
other
windows.
P
The
windows
that
we're
changing
will
be
replaced
with
new
windows
by
parrot
with
sight
lines
to
match
the
existing
windows.
All
of
the
existing
windows
are
going
to
be
maintained,
as
is
they're
all
in
pretty
good
shape.
The
house
has
been
reasonably
well
maintained
over
the
years
and
they
are
protected
in
most
places
by
storm
storm
windows.
P
P
While
there
is
a
ground
floor
and
front
symmetry,
the
back
part
of
the
house
is
asymmetrical.
This
is
a
part
of
the
house
that
if
we
go
back
to
the
roof
plan
is
set
back.
What
we're
doing
is
adding
and
because
of
that
asymmetry
we
don't
feel
there's
a
strong
issue
with
changing.
P
You
know
this
side.
It
actually
in
some
ways
balances
the
composition,
although
they
are
not
in
the
same
plane.
This
screen
porch,
is
significantly
forward
of
this
volume
here
and
we'll
show
you
that
in
3d
renderings,
which
is
why
we
prepared
the
3d
renderings
next
slide.
Please
this
is
the
south
elevation
of
the
house.
You
can
see
it
is
a
very
eclectic
massing,
it's
kind
of
fun
and
playful
there's
a
projection
here.
P
This
is
the
kitchen
window
that
we
talked
about
that
we're
infilling.
This
is
the
kitchen
window
that
we're
raising
to
put
a
banquette
below
it,
and
then
this
is
the
screen
porch
edition.
Those
are
the
only
changes
on
this
elevation.
We
are
replacing
the
existing
shake
roof
with
a
new
shake
roof,
but
obviously
that's
you
know
level
in
the
short
term.
Will
change
the
character
and
a
few
years
will
look
pretty
much
as
it
is
now
it
does
leak
in
several
places.
P
P
These
are
the
windows
that
we're
infilling
and
we
will
infill
that
with
stucco
to
match
the
existing
house
this.
These
are
the
windows
in
the
kitchen
that
we're
changing
to
have
an
operable
door
here
with
two
upper
operable
windows
for
ventilation
and
fixed
below,
and
those
are
the
those
are
the
only
changes
you
see
from
this
elevation
next,
please.
C
C
P
Or
yeah
just
yeah,
thank
you
yeah,
just
one
more,
so
we
prepared
some
separate
sheets
so
that
the
major
two
major
elements
which
are
the
greenhouse
and
the
screen
port
we
could
discuss,
and
I
kind
of
want
to
talk
about
the
screen
port.
Here
we
raised
the
roof
line
on
that,
so
that
it
doesn't
line
up
with
the
existing
roof.
For
two
reasons.
P
If
we
dropped
it
down
to
meet
the
existing
roof,
it
would
be
at
about
what
mark
is
about
what
6-0,
just
below
that,
so
so
very
low
and
and
very
awkward
in
terms
of
the
internal
use
of
the
space.
P
The
other
reason
we
raised
it
up
is
that
we
did
not
want
it
to
look
like
it
was
part
of
the
original
structure.
It's
very
much
a
later
addition
to
a
significant
historical
building,
so
our
strategy
in
these
situations
is
not
trying
to
completely
mimic
it.
We
want
this
to
look
like
it
belongs,
but
is
not
part
of
the
existing
structure,
and
so
you
can
see
the
a
lot
of
the
3d
views
here.
The
existing
photos
here
and
then
these
are
the
views
of
of
what
we
would
do
are
proposing
for
the
screen.
P
P
This
is
showing
some
some
other
views
is
primarily
of
the
of
the
new
areas
here
and
then
some
areas
here.
This
shows
the
relationship
of
the
new
porsche
to
the
existing
mapping
and
we
are
very
self-consciously
trying
to
make
it
not
look
like
part
of
this.
This
piece
over
here
and-
and
you
know,
sort
of
showing
you
on
this
photo
where
that
lines
up
oregon,
making
sure
that
everybody
understands
the
last
thing
next
slide.
Please.
P
Okay,
this
was
this
sheet's
here
to
basically
show
you
this
new
window
configuration
and-
and
it
is
slightly
different
than
the
rest
of
the
house-
we
are
bringing
the
windows
all
the
way
down
to
the
floor
and
that's
to
maximize
the
light
and
to
make
the
kitchen
and
this
terraced
porch
that's
adjacent
to
it
feel
as
connected
visually
as
possible.
P
It
also
shows
the
greenhouse
here.
This
is
the
window
sill
that
we're
raising
about
six
or
eight
inches
in
order
to
allow
the
slope
of
the
greenhouse.
This
is
the
minimum
slope
of
the
greenhouse
with
it
is
a
a
greenhouse
company.
P
Parrot
is
the
company,
and,
and
actually
they
speak
when
we're
choosing
them,
because
they
can
match
the
profile
exactly
of
the
existing
of
the
existing
windows.
Okay,
we
will
be,
and
it's
the
proposal
here
is:
we
will
be
proposing
simulated,
divided
lights
and
insulated
glass,
which,
from
an
energy
standpoint,
obviously
is
desirable,
but
from
a
profile
standpoint
will
match
exactly
what
what
the
existing
windows
look
like.
B
C
B
B
Did
you
evaluate
several
different
configurations
for
that,
because
I
think
it's
just
for
a
landmark
home
and
that
strong
horizontal
than
to
just
kind
of
offset
it
just?
It
really
draws
some
concerns.
In
my
mind,.
K
P
P
We
lined
it
up
on
the
bottom,
but
from
a
practical
standpoint
that
was
problematic.
Okay,
because
you
know
you
ended
up
with
you
know
you
had
to
come
in
three
or
four
feet
on
the
other
side,
before
you
really
had
usable
space
and
then
standing
up,
you
know
a
lot
of
people
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
out
right.
It
was
you
know
it
drops
down
to
about
511
right
right
to
the
to
the
to
the
bottom,
and
then
you
have
your
window,
that's
the
spot
on
the
structure
and
then
the
windows
below
it.
P
H
P
P
H
H
It's
a
chip,
it's
a
mess
and
I
understand
the
dilemma
of
having
the
screens
at
a
reasonable
height.
But
I
I
don't
know
how
you
solve
that,
but
it
does
it
kind
of
you
know.
There's
there's
this
funny
scent,
there's
a
symmetry
to
the
front
and
you're
stuck
with
this
gable,
and
I
don't
know,
what's
in
those
little
corners
where
it
comes
all
the
way
very.
H
P
Space,
well,
it's
quasi-usable
space
and
and
and
one
of
the
things
we
did
think
about
doing
was-
was
dropping
it
down
and
then
and
then
opening
the
this
gable
end
up
completely
the
screen,
so
that
then
that
would
be
the
primary.
H
P
In
large
part,
because
as
a
sleeping
porch,
the
space
underneath
the
roof
and
what
they
want
to
do
is
have
two
porch
swings
to
sleep
on
and
we
could
put
one
on.
The
other
side
hung
off
of
the
roof
rafters
and
yes,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
stand
up
underneath
there,
but
you
could
be
underneath
the
porch
swing.
You
could
be
on
a
porch
swing,
comfortably.
P
P
B
B
I
I
Chip,
the
the
greenhouse
is
that
an
aluminum
system.
O
P
P
We
did
the
program
that
they
wanted
to
have
in
there
it's
programmatically
driven.
You
know,
he'd
like
to
have
a
sitting
area
and
a
table
area.
His
office
is
off
of
it,
he
works
from
home
and
he
wanted
to
have
a
place
to
sit
and
have
people
come
and
talk
and
a
place
and
a
table
to
work
at
so
that's
driving
the
program
of
the
space
plus
have
room
for
plants.
You
know
it,
it
will
be
a
functioning
greenhouse.
They.
P
G
Yeah
one
more
question
about
the
sleeping
porch
on
the
east
elevation
and
then
the
west
are
those
doors
that
are
they
operable.
Doors
are
those
just
stationary
screens,
they're.
P
G
I
saw
on
that
one
side,
then
just
my,
I
guess
my
one
comment
then,
because
it
is
that
front
elevation,
the
the
narrow
screen
units
kind
of
add
some
vertical
elements
to
there
that
previously
hadn't
been
there
at
all,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering,
maybe
if
you
would
consider
striking
every
other
one.
P
We've
looked
at
it
several
ways:
we
can't
strike
every
other
one,
because
the
screens
would
be
too
big
to
be
functional,
they
would
sag
and
it
would
require
a
lot
more
maintenance,
but
we
did
look
at
it's
right
now,
divided
into
five
markets.
We
did
actually
have
it
drawn
at
four
at
one
point
and
we
looked
at
it
a
bunch
of
different
ways
and
we'd
be
happy
to
to
to
show
that
version
of
it.
G
Yeah,
maybe
that'd
be
helpful,
yeah
just
trying
to
eliminate
that
additional.
You
know
that
new
rhythm
that
you've
got
there.
P
F
P
F
But
the
the
more
screen
square
footage
you
have
the
more
secondary
it
seems,
and
you
were
talking
about
wanting
it
to
seem
secondary
to
the
correct
facade.
So
that
helps
you.
Okay,
if
you
were
to
push
it
a
little.
H
P
H
H
P
Our
our
feeling
was
that
that
this
was
a
in
many
ways,
the
least
important
view
of
the
house.
Basically,
no
one
can
see
this
except
for
the
immediate
neighbor,
and
they
can
only
see
it
from
the
basically
the
back
of
their
backyard.
P
B
All
right,
why
don't
you
have
a
seat
chip?
I
think
there
are
several
people
that
would
like
to
speak
tonight
janet
if
you
want
to
this
janice.
Z
Z
Z
I
I
look
forward
to
meeting
my
new
neighbors
at
1624
wesley
avenue,
I'm
glad
to
see
neighbors
investing
in
and
enjoying
their
homes,
but
important
consideration
has
to
be
given
to
the
to
changing
the
exterior
of
historic
homes,
especially
those
in
evanston's,
historic
districts
and
those
that
are
landmarked
like
this
one.
The
proposed
second
floor.
Porch
addition
would
detract
from
the
symmetry
and
attractiveness
of
the
stately
home,
and
I
was
hoping
that
someone
could
pull
up
in
the
comments
page
five
of
seven
there's
a
nice
picture
of
what
the
existing
house
looks
like
today,.
C
Z
C
Z
Let
me
just
I'll
just
finish:
while
he's
pulling
out
the
proposed
second
floor
edition
would
detract
from
the
symmetry
and
attractiveness
of
the
state.
Stately
home
architectural
renderings
do
not
fully
capture
the
visual
lopsidedness
that
the
porch
would
create
when
walking
by
the
house,
and
I
walk
by
it
almost
every
day
with
my
kids.
Z
Symmetry
was
a
deliberate
choice
by
the
original
architect
and
it
should
be
preserved.
For
these
reasons,
I
propose
I
oppose
the
second
floor,
porch
edition
of
this
proposed
plan,
and
just
as
a
side
note
too.
I
just
wanted
to
mention.
I
know
over
time
we
mentioned
this
has
gone.
This
house
has
gone
through
a
lot
of
additions
and
changes.
Z
Yeah,
so
that's
that's
the
that's
how
you
see
it
the
the
porch
on
the
left-hand
side,
I
think,
would
be
it's.
What
you
can't
tell
from
this.
Is
it's
a
much
more
forward
than
that
the
the
roof
line
on
the
right?
It's
a
lot
more
forward.
It'll,
look
it'll
change
the
dynamic
of
that
front-facing
elevation
and
I,
but
I
just
wanted
to
mention
over
time.
Z
This
house
has
had
two
porches
that
have
been
enclosed
over
time,
and
I
would
just
one
of
the
things
I
would
just
consider
is
the
fifth
bedroom
on
the
second
floor
was
a
sleeping
porch
at
one
time,
and
actually
you
stepped
down
into
that
you
can
tell
it
has
been
converted
from
a
porch.
I
mean
I,
you
know
my
suggestion
would
be
to
make
that
the
sleeping,
porch
and
convert
it
back
to
the
main
purpose.
Z
AA
Good
evening
I'm
janet
steitel.
I
live
at
1401
davis
street,
which
is
also
known
as
1602
wesley,
so
I'm
a
wesley
person
as
well.
I
hope
you've
had
time
to
look
at
1624
wesley
in
person
and
to
read
the
submitted
correspondence
from
myself
and
my
neighbors
mary
mcwilliams
1606
wesley
jones,
safford
1618,
and
you
just
heard
from
an
amanda
zine
who
is
on
the
other
end
of
the
block
1632..
N
AA
AA
The
primary
and
secondary
masses
align
across
the
east
elevation
and
establish
a
strong
symmetry
and
character
of
that
facade.
Other
second-story
masses
are
held
back
far
from
the
front
facade
in
order
to
establish
in
to
establish
and
reinforce
this
characteristic
sheet.
A301
of
the
packet
makes
it
appear
that
the
proposed
second
floor
screen
porch
to
the
south
of
the
two-story
primary
mass
and
an
existing
well
set
back
secondary
volume.
AA
It
makes
it
appear
that
they
align,
which
they
don't
that's
just
not
the
case.
The
proposed
screen
porch
sits
nearly
in
alignment
with
the
character
defining
main
facade
and
throws
the
symmetry
of
the
building
out
of
whack.
It's
visually
heavy,
weighing
down
the
southeast
corner
of
the
house
and
throwing
off
its
balance.
Although
I
commend
you
all
for
suggesting
that,
maybe
if
there
weren't
so
many
divisions
in
the
screening,
it
wouldn't
be
so
heavy.
Looking
anyway,
I
digress
on
sheet.
AA
C
AA
AA
C
AA
And
then,
if
you
look
at
sheet
a306
the
imbalance
between
the
proposed
south
massing
and
the
existing
setback
north
massing
is
clearly
represented
in
that
first
image
of
the
middle
row.
I
think
that
that
was
the
one
that
steward
had
you
bring
up
before
it's
the
middle
one,
the
first
middle
row,
the
one
on
the
left.
AA
We
urge
you
to
deny
this
second
floor,
screened
edition
and
maintain
the
historic
character
of
1624,
which
contributes
mightily
to
the
historic
character
of
the
entire
1600
block
of
wesley
avenue,
and
we
thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
It's
about
the
facade
it's
about
the
street
and
if
you've
walked
wesley,
that
1600
block
there's
a
lot
of
integrity
to
it
and
we're
all
partial
because
we
live
there.
So
thank
you.
L
Yes,
my
name
is
joan
safford.
I
live
at
1618
west.
The
avenue
with
my
husband,
we've
lived
there
since
september
of
1967.
I
think
we
are
now
the
oldest
residents
of
that
block.
That's
almost
55
years
we've
been
at
that
block
and
I've
watched
many
transformations
of
that
house.
Little
ones
lots
to
the
garden,
but
I
did
watch
the
sleeping
porch
which
existed
when
we
moved
in
be
changed
in
night.
L
I
think
it
was
1995
or
so
and
and
glassed
in
to
become
a
bedroom
but
and
then
other
small
changes,
one
which
I'm
not
sure
had
a
permit
or
came
before.
You
is
the
glassworks
which
the
architect
referred
to
on
the
north
porch,
which
was
also
a
screened
porch
and
then
became
a
playroom
for
the
prior
owners
and
they
put
new
windows,
and
I
don't
believe
it
ever.
L
There
was
ever
a
hearing.
I
certainly
received
no
notice
of
it
and
just
found
that
it
had
been
done,
and
so
I'm
pleased
that
that
particular
matter
will
be
addressed
as
I've
walked
during
the
entire
55
years
that
I've
lived
there
as
I've
walked
home
along
my
block
and
looked
over
at
the
houses
on
both
sides
of
wesley,
particularly
the
combined
effect
of
our
house
and
1624
wesley
and
1632
wesley.
L
I've
thought
how
lucky
we
are
that
we
found
our
house
in
this
historic
neighborhood
when
house,
when
the
houses
were
cheap
and
that
we
have
had
such
wonderful
neighbors
throughout
the
time
that
we've
been
here,
who
are
prepared
to
use
their
energy
and
commitment
to
evanston
and
to
making
evanston
a
better
place
in
every
aspect.
L
L
Currently,
the
south
facade
is
barely
visible
from
the
street,
because
my
dear
neighbor,
barbara
howard,
who
was
in
the
house
for
about
45
years,
I
think
at
the
toward
the
end
of
her
life,
developed
severe
dementia
and
paranoia,
and
so
she
put
up
this
extraordinary
number
of
ever-increasing
trees
and
bushes
and
unimas
to
keep
the
postman.
As
she
said
to
me
from
looking
into
her
house
and
the
profile
of
the
house
or
that
whole
south
aspect
disappeared.
L
I'm
grateful
to
the
architect
because
he
has
removed
that
all
that
screening,
so
that
one
can
again
see
how
graciously
the
house
moves
down
the
hill.
There
is
a
steep,
not
steep,
but
a
seven
foot
incline,
and
so
the
back
of
our
house
and
the
back
of
what
I
still
think
of
as
barbara's
house
is
truly
three
stories
with
her
back
very
much
finished
in
mine,
not,
but
that
is
the
character
of
the
house.
L
I'm
grateful
that
in
the
lower
drawing
on
sheet
a302,
the
architects
eliminated,
as
I
said,
the
thicket
to
reveal
once
again
how
the
original
south
facade,
which
I've
always
admired,
fits
so
handsomely
into
the
already
to
the
slowly.
Sloping
hill,
however,
is
shown
in
the
upper
drawing
on
sheet.
A302
could
is
that
something
you
can
pull
up
carlos.
X
K
L
L
L
L
In
some
from
our
bathroom
and
from
our
front
stairway,
the
new
porch
would
be
a
major
tall
protrusion,
very
oddly
cribbed,
and
I
say
that
seriously
because
that
is
the
impression-
and
I
think
you
can
see
it
in
some
of
the
pictures
that
that
this
is.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
find
the
one
particular
one
yeah.
L
There's
one
that
looks
you
look
at
directly
on
well,
the
the
one
308
that
the
front
of
that
is
inside
the
railing
and
it's
a
very
peculiar
view
to
look
at
that,
since
it
is,
as
I
would
say,
cribbed
like
a.
H
L
It
is
cribbed
inside
the
in
inside
that
railing,
it's
very
odd
and
now
with
trees
removed.
I
hope
the
view
from
the
south
sidewalk
will
also
present
this
obtrusive
sleeping
porch.
L
Crimped
within
the
railing,
which
matches
the
north
side
railing,
I
beg
of
you
to
reject
the
proposal
for
the
screen.
Porch
a
screen,
porch
may
and
a
sleeping
porch
may
sound
like
a
fine
idea.
This
house
had
two
of
them,
but
a
screen
porch
off
the
south
side
directly
by
our
bathroom
window
and
close
to
our
house
with
the
uses
that
have
been
described
this
evening
is
not
only
aesthetically
unpleasing,
but
it
is
also
a
major
intrusion
into
where
the
the
peace
that
we
have
enjoyed
for
these
many
years.
L
We
are
looking
forward
to
having
neighbors
again
the
house
has
been
unoccupied
almost
all
the
time
for
sale
or
unoccupied
for
almost
all
the
time
in
the
last
five
years.
I
think,
for
only
a
year
of
that
time
has
it
been
occupied,
but
we,
I
truly
beg
of
you,
that
the
you
ask
that
the
screen
porch
be
removed
and
if
the
screen
porch
is
to
be
there,
I'd
like
to
know
what
that
little
box
is
inside
it.
L
L
So
I
beg
you
to
not
have
that
structure.
I
did
bring
copies
of
my
comments,
and
so
I
will
give
them
to
you.
I
did
not
distribute
them
because
they
had
more
about
my
background,
that
than
any
of
you
needed
to
know
about
it.
A
B
P
We
are
open
to
exploring
the
relationship
of
the
scale
and
the
proportion
of
that
to
the
roofline
in
particular,
so
we
take
to
heart
some
of
the
comments
on
that
as
to
the
use
and
in
the
relationship
of
it
to
the
budding
property.
While
I
agree
that
it
would
be
unfortunate,
it's
not
the.
P
I
don't
think
it's
the
purview
of
this
committee
and
frankly,
we
shared
the
plans
as
help
in
terms
of
what
the
uses
are,
but
I
assume
that's
not
part
of
the
discussion
from
the
commission's
standpoint
correct
that
is
correct,
yeah.
Thank
you.
B
K
H
Susie
every
every
suburb
except
evanston,
has
a
far
floor
area
ratio
and
open,
porches
and
screen.
Porches
are
counted
anything
that
has
a
roof
on
it.
Even
if
it's
completely
open
is
counted
in
the
mag
towards
the
maximum
floor
area,
because
there's
always
a
possibility,
somebody
can
a
future
owner
will
come
and
then
close
it.
So
there's
no
way
to
restrict
that
and
yes
you're
right.
That
could
happen
here
as
it
turns
out.
Evanston
has
a
coverage
as
a
bulk
limitation,
not
a
floor
area,
but
I.
B
X
B
H
Asked
the
architect
to
look
at
the
roof
and
roof
intersections,
so
is
the
feeling
that
having
a
porch
there
at
all
is
totally
detrimental
to
the
symmetry
of
a
house
or
could
the
porch
be
re-do
people
think
the
porch
could
be
reduced
in
size
which
would
push
the
front
wall
back,
perhaps
to
where
the
doors
coming
out
from
the
closet
are
and
make
and
shrink
it
symmetrically
about
the
fireplace
I
mean
because
it
sits
on
top
of
the
library
bay
below.
I
think
the
mass
has
to
be
disposed
symmetrically
from
that
side
as
well.
H
But
the
question
is
how
far,
how
far
ba
relatively
how
far
back,
could
the
front
wall
of
that
be
pushed
and
still,
you
know,
not
interfere
with
the
feeling
that
the
front
of
the
house
has
a
symmetry.
B
I
would
like
to
see
the
architect
revisit
the
structure
as
far
as
scale
and
the
rhythm
of
the
openings,
as
well
as
the
roof
line,
to
see.
If
it
can
better
it
can
be
more
compatible.
It
is
a
landmark
home,
so
I
think
it
deserves
the
attention
that
that
of
the
landmark
home.
I
think
I
think
if
we
can
revisit
those
aspects
and
those
standards,
I
think
I
would
be
interested
to
see
what
that
then
visually
looks
and
how
it
is
if
it's
compatible
with
the.
H
I
mean
I,
I
agree,
I
think
we
I
would
like
to
see
the
architects
try
to
address
that
rather
than
just
saying.
Okay,
we
think
that
the
screen
porch
won't
work
here
at
all
in
terms
of
the
way
it
impacts
the
front
of
the
house-
and
you
know,
approve
this
with
with
the
provision
that
there
would
be
no
screen
porch.
I
think
you
know
you
deserve
the
opportunity
to
try
and
address
some
of
the
objections.
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I
ask
a
question
of
that
stuart
because
I
I
think
that
you
you're
you
mentioned
something
that
I
think
would
be
important
to
our
client,
which
would
be
that.
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wesley,
I
was
the
co-author
of
that
paper
that
we
sent
to
you.
If,
if
you
vote,
if
the
screen
porch
comes
out,
we
basically
don't
want
the
screen
porch
at
all
right,
but
it
may
be
that
there
can
be.
I
don't
know,
but
so
we
would
like
to.
We
will
be
back.
We
will
but
we'll
be
feel
free
to
make
comments
on
the
proportion,
but
I
think
the
idea
of
voting
on
the
rest
of
the
project
tonight
is
is
a
fair
one
and
a
reasonable
one.
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A
landmark
building,
it
impacts
the
realization,
it's
not
something
that
will
be
under
the
rules
that
we
could
do
it
administratively.
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Oh
I'm
sorry,
chip
von
weiss
von
weisse
von
weisse
associates
applicant
and
architect
submit
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
screen.
Porch
edition
on,
at
the
second
floor
of
the
structure,
south
east
front
elevation
construct
a
conservatory
addition
at
the
ground
floor
of
the
structure's
northwest
rear
elevation,
alter
the
home's
rear
volume
fenestration,
as
indicated
on
plans
provided
and
replace
the
cedar,
shingle
roof
in
kind
applicable
standards,
alteration,
1-10
and
construction,
1-5,
7-8
and
10-15.
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Blaze
basically,
the
I
understand
that
kate
has
transmitted
to
some
of
the
members
of
the
commission
that
work
on
the
long-term
and
short-term
plan,
which
will
be
in
front
of
you
once
he
has
the
opportunity
to
finish.
The
report
and
I've
been
continuing
a
meeting
with
the
people
who,
including
stuart
and
julie
hacker
from
the
design
guidelines,
and
we
are
kind
of
taking
a
pulse
on
that
because
it's
been
challenging
to
kind
of
agree
what
the
guidelines
will
entail.