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A
B
B
Lately,
when
I
read
the
first
page
of
the
citizen
comment
for
the
minutes,
it
says
there
that
you
can
no
longer
advocate
your
minutes
to
someone
else
to
me
personally.
I
think
this
is
a
deadening
on
citizen
participation
and
the
opportunity
for
people
who
sometimes
send
me
up
here
to
speak
for
them,
because
they
are
free
to
stand
in
front
of
you
themselves
and
I,
don't
want
to
dampen
that
opportunity
or
less
than
the
effectiveness
of
citizen
participation.
B
In
these
meetings
and
I've
asked
last
week
for
someone
for
the
Rules
Committee
to
contact
me
letting
me
know
when
this
rule
was
changed
with
that,
this
law
or
practice
had
been
addressed
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
from
anyone.
Yet
so
that's
the
first
thing,
and
secondly,
the
discussion
about
changing
the
city
clerk's
position
from
one
of
elected
to
one
of
appointed
I'm,
very,
very
opposed
to
that
mr.
B
Reede
received
more
participation
and
votes
than
any
other
minority
candidate
citywide
in
city
history,
and
to
take
this
position
and
leave
it
to
a
few
people
to
decide
who
will
have
that
I
think
is
also
dampening
citizen
participation
and
not
opening
up
the
city
for
full
transparency.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
Good
evening,
everyone
Madeline
decree
here
I
would
like
to
speak
about
the
the
change
that
the
mayor
changed
when
it
comes
to
speaking
I
disagree
with
the
mayor.
We
do
not
have
enough
time
as
it
is
to
speak
democracy,
people,
okay,
people
need
to
express
themselves.
How
else
are
you
going
to
be
able
to
comment
on
the
situations?
What
is
happening
in
this
little
town?
Okay,
unless
you
just
want
to
be
dictating
everything
with
the
council,
people
want
to
do
and
I'm
looking
across
here.
C
C
D
The
people
sing
warm
friendly
came
to
my
first
council
meeting,
people
got
up
and
talked
and
everything
and
expressed
itself,
and
that's
good
people
are
being
heard,
and
so
we've
had
seen
in
years,
I've
seen
being
here
in
this
town,
more
people
have
come
out
to
speak
and
let
you
hear
what
they
have
said.
Are
we
now
going
to
start
with
saying
that
you
can't
come
back?
D
We
want
to
be
backing
that
up,
I,
don't
think
so
when
if
it's
a
group
of
people
are
even
in
organization
and
they
write
something
that
they
feel
is
crucial
that
need
to
be
get
out
in
if
three
are
for
them
signed
up,
and
then
they
saw
what
we
want
to
give
our
time
to
that
person.
So
that
statement
can
be
fully
read.
There
is
nothing
wrong
with
that
week.
A
D
Even
our
group,
the
citizen
network
of
protection,
we
have
written
things
out
in
practice
since
the
vocab
read
to
hear
then
I
give
you
this
and
you
read,
and
then
the
next
person
read
we
are
cooperating
with
each
other
to
get
a
message
out.
So
you
know
what
we
are
thinking
to
start
changing
the
act,
no,
to
open
it
up
in
making
it
much
easier
for
people
to
talk.
That
would
be
a
better
thing.
We
get
45
minutes
the
community.
The
people
should
be
able
to
speak
during
those
45
minutes.
D
D
D
That
is
a
matter
of
respect,
let's
start
respecting
each
other
on
that
that
we
need
to
work
on
and
I
think
we
should
have
classes
on
that,
as
they
say,
as
Emily
Post
would
say:
let's
do
it
the
proper
way
and
number
12
the
referendum
ballot
to
change
the
city
clerk
to
appointed
position
since
I've
been
here,
I've
always
voted
for
the
city
clerk.
That
has
not
been
discussion
that
we
have
had
in
the
community
that
do
you
want
to
change
this
ballot?
Do
you
want
get
rid
of
the
appointed
person?
D
D
Is
it
as
a
visor
II
question
that
you're
putting
out
into
the
community
that's
going
to
be
debated
that
will
be
voted
on
as
an
advisory
question
as
to
whether
you
can
do
this,
then
you
come
back
like
you
did
with
the
township
and
then
say:
okay,
we
want
to
get
rid
of
it,
but
for
you
just
to
arbitrarily
make
a
decision
that
you
want
to
get
rid
of
somebody
that
I
voted
got
up
and
went
to
the
poll
and
cast
my
vote
for
I.
Don't
think
so.
Thank.
E
We
were
at
the
affordable
housing
meeting
last
Wednesday
and
the
people
who
spoke
about
affordable
housing
from
Highland
Park
made
made
a
big
reference
to
speaking
to
the
the
amount,
the
the
residents
to
get
their
input.
So
that's
number
one,
okay,
that
speaking
about
affordable
housing.
The
citizen
comments
here.
What
what
I'd
like
to
see
is-
maybe
a
committee
that
is
formed
that
you
can
discuss
the
citizen
comments,
the
public
comments,
it
seems
everybody
has
their
opinion.
E
Everybody
makes
their
point
and
then
everybody
goes
home
and
then
what
happens
to
all
those
comments
that
the
citizens
made
and
granted?
Some
are.
You
know
some
are
good.
Some
are
not
so
good,
but
if
there's
some
kind
of
I
don't
know
a
committee
that
can
discuss
the
citizen
comments
and
then
we
can
get
some
kind
of
feedback
on
on
those
comments
that
we
know
that
our
voices
are
heard
and
that's
something
some
action
can
be
taken,
something
it
can
be
done
about
what
what
the
citizens
concerns
are.
No
matter
what
their
that's
my
comment.
E
F
F
Our
law
there
and
so
on
is
changing
the
notarization
by
changing
the
fact
that
we,
if
by
not
having
to
notarize
those
forms,
we
can
digitize
that
services,
the
state
of
Illinois
has
done
as
the
Cook
County
Clerk's
office
has
done
for
years.
Another
part
of
our
law
beyond
the
notarization
of
the
forms,
their
points
where
it
says
that
the
forms
must
be
destroyed
every
year
and
there's
another
line
item
that
says
that
you
know
certain
forms
for
certain
committee.
F
F
G
H
Okay,
so
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I'm
disappointed
to
do
that.
We
need
to
have
you
state
your
name:
okay,
I'm,
Meg,
Welch,
I,
live
in
the
4th.
Ward
I
am
disappointed
to
see
a
referendum
on
whether
or
not
the
city
clerk
should
be
appointed
proposed
with
all
the
controversial
and
pressing
issues
in
Evanston.
There
are
many
things
that
we
could
put
on
a
referendum.
We
could
put
on
a
referendum
what
to
do
with
leftover
TIF
funds.
If
there
are
any
in
the
eighth
ward,
we
could
put
on
a
referendum.
H
What
should
we
do
with
the
affordable
housing
fund
we
could
put
on
a
referendum?
Do
we
want
a
particular
City
property
to
be
sold?
I
have
not
heard
an
outcry
of
whether
or
not
the
city
clerk
should
be
elected
and,
frankly,
I'm
surprised.
Anyone
would
want
to
be
seen
proposing
something
in
this
era
where
people
are
increasingly
worried
on
a
national
level
about
concentrations
of
power.
H
You
know
cities
have
cities,
clerk's
elected
officials
because
they
see
a
need
for
them
to
be
politically
independent
and
not
you
know
you,
if
they're
appointed
by
one
person
that
makes
them
not
very
politically
independent
and
the
city
clerk
is
the
official
in
charge
of
our
elections.
The
official
in
charge
of
our
city
records
I
personally,
is
a
citizen.
Do
not
want
that
kind
of
power
concentrated
in
one
person
and
that's
what
it
comes
down
to
if
they're
appointed
so
I
I'm,
surprised,
I.
H
Think
if
anyone
votes
for
this
you're
going
to
be
seen
as
really
not
encouraging
participatory
democracy.
Please
we
don't
need
this
and
also
I'd
like
to
say
that
you
know
the
fact
that
it's
going
to
be
voted
on.
If
it
goes
to
the
full
council,
it'll
be
voted
on
the
same
night.
It's
the
Harley
clerk
vote,
whether
or
not
the
demolition,
the
the
cynical
part
of
me,
the
cynical
parts.
H
G
G
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
distrust
right
now,
a
lot
of
distrust
in
the
city
when
we've
had
major
projects
going
up
in
the
face
of
outcry
against
them,
whether
it's
perceived
or
real
conflicts
of
interest
among
council
members
or
people
coming
up
to
the
podium
being
a
citizen.
But
actually
you
know
on
the
payroll
of
a
developer.
G
It's
important
to
establish
trust
for
a
for
a
city
for
harmony
in
a
city,
so
I
think
Lobby
ordinances
is,
is
an
essential
way
of
establishing
that
trust
and
also
getting
getting
at
the
distrust
and
trying
to
ameliorate
that
situation.
So
I
hope
we'll
really
look
at
the
Chicago.
One
I
hope
we'll
pass
one,
that's
robust,
so
that
it
will
be
effective
and
I.
Also,
both
these
issues,
the
lobby
ordinance
as
well
as
electing
our
city
clerk.
Both
of
these
are
related
fundamentally
to
transparency.
G
So
it
really
should
be
somebody
that
is
elected
by
the
people,
and
you
know:
Devon
was
elected
by
an
incredible
margin
elected
by
a
greater
margin
than
anybody
here.
So
I
ask
that
you
please
don't
and
again
where's
the
other
I
haven't
heard
any
outcry
like.
Oh,
we
need
to
have
them
appoint
and
nobody's
saying
that
so
I.
G
A
I
Have
a
chair
members
of
the
committee
good
evening:
the
number
of
these
items
have
been
collected
over
a
period
of
months,
and
so
we'll
do
our
best
to
kind
of
give
you
a
context
and
recognize
the
aldermen
that
had
made
the
request.
This
number
three
was
a
request
from
alderman
Rainey
for
the
the
rules
committee
to
consider
and
I
guess.
I
would
ask
alderman
Rainey
to
make
any
additional
comments.
Yes,.
J
Alderman
Rainey
well,
I,
I,
don't
know
if
any
boards
and
commissions
other
than
the
ethics
committee
have
executive
sessions.
So
I
think
that
was
just
tacked
on
by
whoever
wrote
this
up.
I
have
been
concerned
for
a
long
long
time.
In
fact,
in
previous
terms,
about
the
ethics
committee
going
into
executive
session
and
more
lately,
the
executive
sessions
that
the
rules
that
the
ethics
committee
convenes
into
had
to
do
with
whether
or
not
they
should
take
a
complaint
and
I
questioned
Michele
Mason
cup.
Regarding
that
being
a
reason
to
go
into
executive
session.
J
So
she
read
me
the
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
state
legislation,
local
code,
whatever
about
ethics
committees
going
into
executive
session
and
while
I
didn't
quite
understand
what
she
was
reading,
it
still
didn't
make
sense
to
me
and
I
argued
with
her
and
she
said
well.
It
says
that
we
can
do
this.
I
would
like
to
pursue
this
further
and
I
know.
J
That's
not
how
this
reads
here,
but
that's
that's
my
major
concern
that
the
Ethics
Committee
when
they
receive
a
complaint
from
a
citizen,
or,
let's
say
from
from
a
staff
member
or
from
a
member
of
the
council,
that
they
that
they
would
then
go
into
executive
session
to
decide
whether
or
not
that
was
a
valid
complaint
that
the
ethics
committee
should
take.
I,
think
that
should
be
handled
in
public,
not
behind
closed
doors.
So
at
one
time
I
asked
to
please
be
allowed
to
go
into
the
executive
session.
J
J
This
is
two
prongs,
one
that
an
alderman
should
be
allowed
to
attend
an
executive
session
of
the
ethics
committee
and
two
that
the
ethics
committee
should
not
be
that
that
we
should
find
out
what
the
basis
of
that
is,
what
is
so
private
about
determining
whether
or
not
a
public
statement
that
is
presented
to
them.
We
all
know
what
the
charge
is
and
then
they
go
in
to
decide
whether
or
not
that
charge
is
a
valid
charge
that
they
should
consider.
So
it's
not
that
the
charges
secret.
J
We
don't
know
what
it
is,
for
example,
an
Rainey
violated
this
situation
and
therefore
we're
it's
being
presented
to
the
ethics
committee.
So
then
they
go
in
private
and
decide
whether
or
not
that's
something
they
should
consider
that.
That
just
makes
no
sense
to
me.
So
that's
that's
what
I
would
like
us
to
figure
out
all
right.
Does
anybody
have
any
insight?
Maybe
Mario?
Can
there
help
us
out
first,
who.
A
K
K
The
influence
of
an
elected
official
and
an
executive
session
really
can't
be
ignored,
so
the
Board
of
Ethics
really
needs
to
be
able
to
be
candid
in
their
discussions
during
the
executive
session.
So
it
is
the
law
departments
position
that
elected
officials
not
be
President
during
the
executive
sessions
of
of
any
of
these
boards
that
they
aren't
voting
members.
L
K
K
L
K
So
there
are
a
lot
of
exemptions
for
the
Open
Meetings
Act.
Some
of
them
apply
to
more
applicable
to
the
City
Council
and
some
are
more
applicable
to
a
port
of
ethics.
That's
it
almost
becomes
a
quasi
ajuga
adjudicatory
body.
So
that's
something
that
come
before
the
City
Council
very
frequently
so
I'm
I'm,
assuming
that
that
is
the
type
of
exemption
that
Michelle
would
apply
and
with
a
Board
of
Ethics.
K
A
I
think
I'm
curious
about
that
too.
I
think
we
all
are
so
I
would
like
to
request
from
the
city
manager
that
we
get
a
memo
from
the
law
department,
explaining
what
the
reasons
are
for
the
board
of
ethics
to
go
or
what
the
particular
exemptions
are.
Exceptions
are
for
the
Open
Meetings
Act
that
would
permit
them
to
go
into
executive
session
as
they
have
in
recent
in
recent
months.
So
I
would
like
to
understand
that
as
well.
I'm.
M
You
yeah,
it
seems
to
me
that
there
are
it's
a
pretty
limited
universe
of
circumstances
where
they
could
go
into
a
would
go
into
executive
session.
So
it's
not
that
I
have
a
problem
with
that.
That's
provided
by
for
by
state
law
as
far
as
the
aldermen
attending
I
wouldn't
be
comfortable
with
that
either
I
agree
with
what
our
counsels
suggested.
I
think.
M
If
the
aldermen
were
present
in
that
meeting,
if
you're
not
on
a
committee,
it
would
likely
have
the
possibility
of
having
known
to
influence,
or
you
know,
intimidation
or
whatever,
even
even
just
you
know,
possibility
of
going
back
and
reporting
to
the
colleagues.
You
don't
want
to
create
that
kind
of
environment
when
they're
supposed
to
be
having
an
opening
candid
conversation
and
that's
kind
of
the
point
of
that
the
executive
session
is,
is
to
have
that
conversation,
but.
M
Be
anything
I
mean
the.
J
The
executive
session
that
raised
this
issue
with
me
was
an
executive
session
that
took
over
one
hour
with
a
roomful
of
audience
waving
without
any
any
idea
of
what
was
going
on.
I
mean
over
an
hour,
an
executive
session
and
the
reason
they
were
doing
that
was
to
consider
whether
or
not
to
take
take
the
cases.
A
I
think
that
we've
asked
for
a
memo
and
we'll
see
that
and
I
agree
with
mr.
Trudeau
and
alderman
Wilson
I,
actually
don't
think
that
anyone
should
go
into
executive
opinion
executive
session
on
a
border
commission
that
they're,
not
a
member
of
and
Mario.
Would
you
find
out
I
mean:
do
we
have
a
rule
to
that
effect,
because
how
would
anyone
who
is
not
a
member
who
effect
go
into
executive
session
and
then
be
expected
to
adhere
to
the
rules
of
that
executive
session?.
I
J
The
past,
in
the
past,
a
ruling
was
made
in
a
pre
by
a
previous
law
department
that
an
alderman
could
attend
an
executive
session
that
was
not
part
of
the
council.
I
don't
want
to
go
to
any
more
meetings
of
anybody.
Any
executive
session
I
just
made
the
Lazy
issue.
The
issue
I'm
concerned
about
is
executive
sessions
by
the
ethics
committee
having
to
do
with
determining
whether
or
not
to
take
a
case
very
specific.
A
N
A
L
Tonight
yeah.
This
is
really
quick,
so
I'd
like
to
know
what
other
boards
or
commissions
have
a
closed
sessions,
because
I
think
there
might
be
some
others
that
do
and
if
an
alderman
is
appointed
to
be
the
all
dramatic
representative.
If
they
do
a
go
into
closed
session,
is
that
alderman
entitled
to
go
in
so
well.
A
N
A
A
Whatever
the
topic
of
the
committee
to
all
modes
of
transportation,
including
not
just
cars,
buses,
pedestrians,
bicycles,
all
everyone,
everything
that's
moving
in
the
city
at
this
point,
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
broadly
as
possible
and
we're.
We
also
removing
non-voting
ex
officio
members.
J
A
Right
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed.
Okay.
So
similarly,
we're
gonna
move
to
change.
Item
number
five
to
a
change:
membership
for
Housing
and
Community
Development
Act
committee.
Is
there
any
discussion
of
this
move
approval
all
those
in
favor
aye
all
right,
so
that
moves
forward?
Thank
you.
Item
number.
Six
is
remove
a
review
of
City
Council
standing
committee
process
and
scheduling
of
meetings.
A
I
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
this
was
a
referral
from
alder
and
suffered
in
requesting
a
discussion
of
the
process
that
we,
the
council,
currently
uses
with
the
standing
committees,
administration,
public
work
planning,
a
development
meeting
twice
a
month
prior
to
the
scheduled
council
meeting
a
Human
Services
meeting
on
the
first
Monday,
and
currently
the
rules
committee
meeting
as
needed
limit
suffered
in
general
I.
Think
that's
that's
at
least
the
general
yeah.
O
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
we
can
tighten
it
up,
I
don't
know.
If
there's,
then
we
could
just
send
the
bills
list
straight
to
Council
and
we're
all
responsible
for
it
anyway.
I
think
a
lot
of
times
the
redundancy
and
the
amount
of
discussion,
and
some
pretty
like
mundane
items
keeps
us
here
later
than
it's
probably
optimal.
So
I,
don't
know
you
know
or
if
we
can
stack
the
agenda
so
that
maybe
we
have
like
a
light
one
and
a
heavy
one
or
you
know,
what's
what?
J
Frequently
it
is
extended
presentations
that
could
be
done
on
the
third
Monday
or
that's
one
thing,
and
sometimes
we
have
very
interesting
and
controversial
issues
that
take
a
long
time
with
citizen
comment
which
is
important
but
I
don't
think
it's
I
wish.
We
had
more
debate
and
discussion
among
the
councilmembers,
so
I
I,
don't
think
that's
what
keeps
us
going
late
at
night.
Very.
N
Alderman
Suffern
Suffern
tonight
I
share
your
desire
to
find
efficiencies
where
we
can,
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
meetings
having
not
sat
on
a
pw.
My
question
would
be
with
the
bills.
Is
you
know
every
council
meeting
we're
approving?
You
know
six
million
seven
million
dollars
between
the
payroll
and
and
the
other
bills,
and
you
know
how
much
conversation
goes
on
about
those
bills
at
the
kinetic
committee
level.
N
O
The
discussion
is,
you
know,
questions
about
particular
items
that
get
raised.
You
know
we
all
go
over
the
bills
list
and
there's
something
I
mean
I.
The
the
thing
that
brought
this
up
is.
We
had
one
where
we
didn't
have
a
quorum
for
administration
and
Public
Works,
and
we
just
pushed
everything
to
Council
and
it
worked
out.
Fine
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
true
every
time
you
know
we're
not
discussing.
O
O
If
we
had
to
have
you
meeting
a
light
meeting,
you
know
I,
don't
know
it
just
it
seems
like
if
you
have
an
eye
contour
from
meeting
where
you're
here
to
11:30
like
you're,
not
doing
something
right
and
is
there
a
way
to
fix
that
or
is
there
you
know?
Maybe
we
make
the
first
meeting
of
the
month
the
one
where
we
do
all
the
proclamations
and
awards
and
we
don't
do
it
at
other
ones.
Yeah
I,
don't
know
like
I'm,
not
saying
that's
the
just.
O
If
the
goal
is
for
us
to
be
as
efficient
as
possible
in
the
public's
business,
how
can
we
improve
and
what
we
do
when
we
have
two
standing
committees
that
meet
prior
to
council
and
we
don't
have
council
meeting
at
a
defined
designated
time
and
still
provide
the
oversight
and
discussion,
that's
expected
of
us.
So,
if
there's
a
better
way,
I'm
open
to
listening
to
it,
although.
P
I
The
following
members
of
the
council:
this
is
a
subject
that
the
council
has
talked
about
several
times
in
my
ten
years.
City
manager
and
I
think
it's
the
balance
between
sharing
information
with
the
council
in
the
community
about
key
initiatives
and
not
you
know,
and
certainly
we
were
happy
to
do
less-
of
that
we
could.
We
do
do
less
of
it
than
we
did
at
some
point.
I
We
can
certainly
limit
presentations
to
just
questions
and
then
provide
them,
and
the
package
provide
them
online
and
we're
happy
to
do
that.
But
I
think
our
our
challenge
sometimes
is
wanting
to
make
sure
that
you
and
the
community
have
as
full
an
understanding
of
a
topic
as
possible
and
again
we
use
it's
my
judgment.
Ultimately,
working
with
staff
to
to
manage
through
that,
and
if
we
need
to
manage
it
more
carefully,
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
All.
M
I
think
the
city
manager
kind
of
hit
on
it,
but
it's
a
bit
of
a
balance.
You
want
to
provide
information
in
the
community
as
it
seems
to
me,
because
I
sit
here
and
live
through
the
meetings.
I
can't
imagine
you
know
going
to
the
gym
and
watching
channel
16
on
the
treadmill,
but
a
lot
of
people
do
watch
these
meetings
and
do
do
watch
the
committee's,
so
I
think
it's
a
useful
tool
for
community
members
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
some
of
the
some
of
the
things
that
come
up
in
the
agenda.
M
M
Generally
speaking,
the
committees
don't
have
the
same
time.
Limitations
on
on
public
interaction
in
public
discussion.
So
you
know
that's
when
we
end
up
starting
a
council
meeting
at
10
o'clock
or
11
o'clock
is
when
those
committees
are
running
long.
You
know
that
said.
If
there's
something
that's
controversial,
there's
a
lot
to
be
said
and
a
lot
to
be
talked
about.
M
So
it's
it's
a
challenge,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
to
kind
of
you
know
it's
just
that,
there's
some
little
things
that
can
be
done,
but
I
don't
know
that
those
are
going
to
have
any.
You
know
notable
impact
when
we
don't
have
controversial
meetings.
I
do
think
we
are
out
pretty
quickly
so
I
should
say.
Controversial
items
on
the
agenda
were
usually
out
pretty
quickly.
Yeah.
L
One
of
the
things
that
we
had
talked
about
from
time
to
time
is
considering
returning
to
the
model
that
was
in
place.
However,
many
years
ago,
we're
both
where
a
and
P
W
and
P
and
D
met
at
the
same
time
in
different
rooms.
Now
that
would
of
course
mean
that
you
know
the
breakdown
of
aldermen
would
be
five
to
four
on
the
committees,
and
so
that
was
a
reason.
L
I
think
that
that
didn't,
you
know,
stay
in
place,
but
when
both
committees
were
meeting
at
the
same
time,
the
council
meetings
generally
started
on
time
at
8:30
I'm,
a
big
believer
in
the
committee
meetings,
I'm
a
big
believer
in
giving
people
their
three
minutes
of
time
to
speak
at
the
committee.
I
would
rather
have
the
discussion
at
committee
than
at
Council
I.
Think
people
feel
much
more
comfortable
in
a
smaller
setting.
L
It
seems
to
me
that
you
build
a
better
dialogue
between
those
council
members
serving
and
the
public
when
you
do
have
a
smaller
setting
for
that.
But
I
don't
know
even
whether
that's
possible
to
do
with
television
whether
we
would
have
a
room
that
we
could
go
back
and
do
that.
But
I
would
suggest
that
we
think
about
that,
because
I
think
that's
one
one
way
of
really
moving
the
committee
committee
schedule
along
and
just
as
a
to
let
you
know
how
much
I
believe
in
that.
L
A
It
did
mean
that
one
committee
had
four
aldermen
and
the
other
had
five
and
you're
you're
right,
alderman
Fisk.
That
change
took
place
when,
when
a
new
council
came
in
and
and
members
of
that,
council
wanted
to
serve
on
both
committees
and
then
they
got
stacked
and
well
actually
what
happened
was
and
they
got
stacked
and
then
npw
moved
forward
and
started
earlier.
M
If
there
isn't
remember
the
community,
who
has
something
that
they're
interested
in
you
know,
untape
both
committees
that'd
be
a
challenge
but
I
think
more
importantly,
personally,
I'll
typically
get
here
before
my
committee
meeting
starts
and
I'll
listen
in
to
what
is
happening
at
APW
so
without
having
to
you
know,
sit
up
here
and
go
sit
up
straight,
so
I
can
just
kind
of
comfortably
watch
from
you
know
where
I'm
at,
but
that
enables
me
to
hear
the
discussion,
hear
the
questions
and
hear
the
things
that
are
answers.
So
I
agree.
M
Most
of
the
work
gets
done
at
the
committee
level,
but
if
I
weren't,
a
part
of
that
when
I
came
in
for
counsel
I
would
probably
still
have
all
of
my
concerns
and
questions
and
I
think
that
would
extend
the
council
meetings
because
then
we
would
be
reinventing
that
wheel
too.
To
kind
of
you
know
cover
the
things
that
I
didn't
get
to
hear
and
didn't
get
to,
and
then
I
know
that
you
know
for
better
for
worse.
Those
are
on
APW,
not
on
planning
development.
M
O
You
know,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
administration
Public
Works.
Is
it
possible
to
just
have
a
consent
agenda
up
front
I
mean
if
you
get
an
agenda
that
has
22
items
on
it
and
I
think
we're
gonna
talk
about
the
outdoor
cafe
thing,
but
I
mean
a
lot
of
these
are
come
out:
five,
nothing
and
there's
no
real
discussion
or
controversy.
Maybe
if
we
can
knock
those
off
right
off
the
bat
that
would
make
that
meeting
it.
O
The
issue
is
if
the
six
o'clock
meeting
runs
long
for
just
reasons,
because
it's
a
lot
like
there's
a
lot
of
ideas
on
a
general
controversy.
No
discussion,
no
problem,
then
everything
is
backed
up.
We
start
our
council
meeting
at
9:00
and
we
get
45
minutes
a
public
comment
like
we're
not
into
it
deliberating
or
discussing
anything
until
9:45,
and
then
at
that
point
people.
So
you
know
well
given
the
lateness
of
the
hour
I'll
just
and
then
that's
like
time
that
we
could
have
saved
on
the
front
end
and
I.
O
Just
wonder
if
there's
a
way
to
do
it
and
still
maintain
transparency
and
oversight
and
all
those
things
on
items
that
aren't
controversial,
but
you
know
just
reading
the
purchase
order.
It
takes
a
long
time,
you
know
I
mean,
can
we
just
put
those
on
and
one
agreed
calendar
up
front
or
you
know
what's
elated?
What's
the
is
there
a
better
way
to
do?
It
was
my
question
and.
A
A
You
know
and
the
reason
why
we
decided
to
make
it
45
minutes
was
because
people
who
came,
who
wanted
to
speak
on
their
issue
had
to
go
to
work
the
next
day
and
they
just
they
left,
and
none
of
us
were
in
very
good
shape
to
discuss
anything
at
11
o'clock
at
night,
and
you
know
I
think
that
the
earlier
we
can
get
to
the
council
meeting
the
better
the
better
off.
We
are
not
that
we
rush
certain
other
issues.
A
I
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
you
know,
the
use
of
a
consent
calendar
in
other
jurisdictions
is
approved
very
useful
and
there's
nothing
that
says
that
you
couldn't
have
a
consent
calendar
at
the
committee
level,
pull
off
those
items
that
you
felt
needed
additional
discussion,
but
also
then
have
a
regular
business
agenda
and
in
previous
postings
that
I
have
had
in
my
career
you
know,
staff
was
charged
with
making
a
judgement
as
a
non
consent.
Is
it
on
a
regular
agenda?
I
If
staff
was
wrong,
then
the
member
of
the
council
would
pull
it
off
of
consent
for
discussion.
Otherwise
it
was
handled
as
a
as
a
consent
item
so
I
mean.
That
is
something
that
could
certainly
be
tried
even
done
a
pilot
basis,
because
if
it
didn't
work
then
the
worst
of
what
happened
is
you
pull
everything
off
of
a
committee,
consent,
calendar
and
you're
back
to
where
you
were?
If
it
does
work,
then
perhaps
you
you've
saved
some
time.
I
I
So
it
was
the
council
that
was
elected
in
2009
that
made
the
change
for
all
the
reasons
that
have
been
discussed,
but
also
so
that
the
committee
meetings
could
be
televised,
and
so
now
we
stream
them
they're
well
covered
by
the
press.
I
think
that
anyone
who's
interested
in
any
item
of
the
agenda,
a
consent,
calendar
or
otherwise
has
ample
opportunity
to
receive
the
information
and
review
it.
So
perhaps
the
idea
of
a
consent
calendar
for
the
committee's
might
be
worth
a
try.
A
Q
I
J
I
I
A
A
L
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say
for
for
P
and
D
I
can't
see
that
happening
with
planned
developments.
We
certainly
could
do
that
with
sidewalk
cafes
and
yeah
right.
All
sorts
of
things
like
that
I
would
certainly
want
that
to
be
discussion
between
staff
and
the
chairman
and
but
I'm
happy
to
happy
to
try
it
with
the
exception
of
planned
developments
and.
I
P
J
J
I'm
sorry,
on
the
consent
agenda.
We
don't
we
don't
have
to
exempt
planned
developments
because
I'm
a
consent
agenda.
You
just
remove
the
items
that
you
don't
want
on
the
consent
agenda.
Nothing
is
etched
in
stone.
So
if
I
don't
want
a
fire-engine,
we're
going
to
buy
on
administration
and
Public
Works
I
just
say:
please
remove
the
fire
engine
from
the
consent
agenda.
So
you
know
I
mean
that's
how
I
can
continue?
Okay,
so
all.
A
I
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
probably
now
I,
can
say
a
couple
of
years
ago.
The
the
Rules
Committee
decided
to
change
its
meeting
schedule,
so
the
Rules
Committee
meets
at
the
call
of
the
chair
rather
than
the
previous
schedule,
which
was
every
first
Monday
the
month
prior
to
Human
Services.
So
I
think
that
the
request
was
to
revisit
that
all
the
murmuring
I
believe
made
the
request
to
revisit
that
current
schedule.
J
I
have
always
felt
that
the
Rules
Committee
was
every
bit
as
important
as
any
other
Standing
Committee
and
I
felt
that
by
making
it
just
a
whim
of
the
chair
that
it
became
less
important.
It's
a
Standing
Committee
and
it's
very
important
in
my
opinion,
and
so
I-
see
no
reason
why
it
shouldn't
be
on
the
first
Monday
of
every
month
prior
to
the
Human
Services
Committee.
M
I'd
prefer
to
leave
it
as
it
is.
You
know
it
I
think.
If
you
know
if
pressing
matters
came
up
every
month,
we
could
have
the
meeting
every
month,
but
I
realized.
We
had
a
number
of
things
that
accumulated
over
a
period
of
time,
but
you
know,
if
you
have
it
set,
then
your
scheduling,
your
life,
your
planning,
everything.
You
know,
that's
that's
a
commitment
that
you
have
to
make,
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
that
we
need
to
have
that
every
single
month.
J
M
J
P
P
The
reason
for
a
set
meeting
for
me
is
so
that
we
don't
have
a
meeting
like
this,
where
we
end
up
with
a
lot
of
things
on
one
night,
because
this
is
going
to
move
Human,
Services
back
and
I
realize
when
people
come
to
give
common
at
any
of
our
meetings,
they're
going
based
on.
What's
on
our
website,
which
is
usually
you
know
an
hour
earlier
than
we
usually
get
started
so
I
think
if
we
had
it
every
other
month
or
you
know
at
some
set
time,
the
chair
would
know
well
enough
in
advance.
J
J
N
L
The
last
thing,
I'll
just
add,
is
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
that
the
public
feels
that
the
issues
that
they
might
have
raised
and
as
an
alderman
to
refer,
come
up
relatively
quickly
where
we've
got
some
items
here.
A
couple
of
items
that
came
up
fairly
recently
and
some
that
have
been
lingering
for
a
while
and
that's
where
I
think
having
having
it
more
frequent,
is
better
than
less
frequent.
All.
A
J
Q
A
L
A
A
L
Madam
chair,
this
is
was
my
reference
and
it's
in
related
to
an
email
that
I
asked
the
city
manager
to
share
with
the
council
about
improving
community
relations
at
at
council
meetings
and
hopefully
at
at
other
meetings
where
we
have
a
dialogue
with
our
citizens.
I
honestly,
don't
know
how
to
do
this
so
I'm
reaching
out
to
the
rest
of
the
council
to
ask
you
to
think
about
this,
but
in
the
in
the
email
that
I
sent
there
were
a
couple
of
I.
Think
ICMA
has
been
dealing
with
this
issue.
I
L
I
think
this
would
be
an
excellent
project
for
our
new
fellow
to
look
at,
but
basically
it's
it's
trying
to
improve
the
community
conversation
and
whether
it's
at
council
meetings
or
at
any
sort
of
public
meeting
I
think
there's
been
an
unfortunate
conversation.
That's
been
going
on.
I
I
really
want
us
to
work
to
try
to
improve
it.
If
you
look
back
at
the
email
it
does,
it
does
identify
why
this
is
important
at
the
basis
of
this
is
that
it
discourages
people
from
becoming
involved
in
community
government.
L
It
discourages
people
from
standing
up
at
the
microphone
because
they
may
be
criticized.
Is
that
discourages
people
from
running
for
public
office,
yet
I
think
encourages
people
from
simply
not
being
involved,
and
that's
not
good
for
us.
That's
not
good,
that's
not
what
we
are
and
that's
never
been
what
we
are,
but
it's
happening,
I
see
and
so
in
the
email
it
it
talks
about.
L
Why
why
this
matters
and
I
think
it
really
also
drifts
down
to
our
staff
as
we're
going
through
budget
cuts
or
streamlining
staff,
we
want
to
be
able
to
attract
the
best
staff
also.
So
it's
not
just
elected
officials
and
staff
and
it's
the
community,
so
we
all
have
an
investment
in
having
a
better
quality
of
public
discussion.
So
there
are
in
in
the
email
and
I'm
sure
mr.
city
manager,
you
can
come
up
with
more.
L
Article
for
us
to
look
at
one
is
Maryland,
is
working
on
civility,
nurturing
it.
If
you
have
it
and
resurrecting
it
where
it
has
died,
tips
for
promoting
civility
in
public
meetings,
civility
at
council
meetings.
Seven
rules
get
your
public
meetings
back
on
track,
addressing
incivility
it
and
it
just
goes
on
and
I
think
it's
really
time
for
us
to
devote
some
time
to
this
I,
don't
know
whether
it
means
we
bring
in
the
nice
lady
from
California
or
what
I
Jean
bone
and
ER,
who
is
always
wonderful
but
I.
L
We
need
to
rebuild
some
public
trust
here.
It's
not
all
our
fault,
it's
not
all
anybody's
fault.
It's
it's
something
that
we
need
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
attention
to
I,
think
than
we've
been
doing,
because
something
is
not
definitely
not
working
and
we
need
to
get
back
on
track
with
it.
Alderman
Wilson,
Thanks.
M
And
I
think
some
of
the
some
of
the
explanations
are
self-evident.
You
know
you
turn
on
the
news
or
you
pick
up.
You
know
your
your
phone
to
look
at
social
media
and
you
just
see
a
constant
barrage
of
negativity
and
hateful
hateful
messaging,
but
I've
gotten
feedback
from
people
who
have
shown
up
here
to
give
public
comments
and
they've
been
berated
and
harassed
on
their
way
out.
You
know
followed
to
the
elevators,
followed
down
the
stairs
yelled
out
in
the
parking
lot.
M
You
know
these
kinds
of
things
are,
you
know,
and
we
don't
see
that
because
we're
here
and
we're
not
seeing
what's
going
on
backstage
stove's
speak
I've
heard
from
talk
to
people
who
have
become
intimidated
to
actually
speak
because
they're
uncomfortable
at
seeing
what's
happening
to
other
people
is
they're
leaving.
That's
not
right.
Nobody
should
ever
feel
uncomfortable
to
approach
us
and
say
what
they
want
to
say,
particularly
from
other
members
of
their
own
members
of
their
own
community.
This
is
supposed
to
be
a
safe
space.
M
Where
we
have
conversations
and
dialogue,
you
know
I,
honestly,
I
feel
we
will
disagree
a
lot.
You
know
we
have
things
that
we
don't
agree
on
and
we
will
have
spirited
discussions,
but
I
feel
like
we're
not
devolve
into
personal
insults
and
things
like
that.
It's
hard
and
far
and
away
two
vast
majority.
The
speakers
who
come
and
talk
to
us
are
respectful
and
are
appropriate,
but
there
are
those
handful
who
will
show
up
and
they
will
say
things
that
are
just
simply
not
true
and
it's
hard
to
sit
through
having
a
comment.
M
That's
just
simply
not
true,
and
it's
also
hard
to
sit
through
comments
that
I
perceive
to
be
bordering
on
personal
attacks,
about
staff
members
who
aren't
here
so
to
your
point:
elderman
Fiske.
If
you
don't
want
to
take
a
job
if
you're
gonna
have
to
you
know,
have
your
you
know
your
spouse
go
on
the
treadmill
and
watch
channel
16
and
see
you
know
negative
things
about
your
family,
particularly
if
they're
not
true
and
there's
an
awful
lot
of,
not
true
stuff,
that's
kind
of
flying
around
and
it's
hard
to
kind
of.
M
You
can't
correct
it.
If
there's
a
post
on
social
media
that
gets,
you
know
it's
reposted
150
times
and
2,000
people
see
it,
it
can't
fix
that
so
I
don't
know
what
the
answers
are,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
become
a
problem
in
our
it's
disappointing
to
me
and
honestly,
it's
surprising
to
me
because
I
thought
Evanston
was
you
know
different
around
the
time
when
the
recent
presidential
election
and
the
superintendent
made
a
beautiful
comment
about.
M
You
know
what
Evanston
is
about
and
what
Evanston's
like
I
think
it
would
benefit
all
of
us,
maybe
to
kind
of
go
back
and
revisit
some
of
those
words
and
think
about
how
we
say
things
and
what
we
say
and
whether
or
not
we're
promoting
conversations
or
whether
we're
promoting
a
a
full
narrative.
That's
dividing
people,
you
know
we
want
to
be
collaborative,
not
not
divisive
and
I.
Think
if
we're
collaborative
that's
the
only
way
we're
going
to
get
things
done.
So
thanks,
Thank.
A
You
alderman
Fisk
I,
don't
listen,
I,
think
we
just
I
think
keeping
it
as
a
topic
front
and
center
and
continually
talking
about
it,
is
really
important,
because
when
we
talk
about
it,
then
we're
II
emphasize
it
and
it
brings
all
of
us
back
to
what
our
common
goal
is,
which
is
the
good
of
Evanston
and
a
productive
dialogue.
I.
L
M
L
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
I
could
let's
find
out
how
much
money
it
would
cost
I
do
think
it's
a
starting
point,
and
maybe
we
can't
control
everything
that's
going
out
in
the
community,
but
we
certainly
can
understand
it
better
and
if
she
has
had
this
experience
and
can
help
us
I
think
that's
a
good
place
to
start.
I.
Think
I
think
we
need
to
demonstrate
that
this
is
something
that
we
take
seriously
and
and
we're
better
people
than
we're
being
portrayed
to
be.
P
I
appreciate
this
I
could
not
or
I
would
not
support
having
Jean
as
lovely
as
she
has
come
back
for
this
I
guess,
in
my
opinion,
I
feel
like
we're
all
adults,
and
we
all
know
how
to
speak
to
people
respectfully.
We
all
know
you
know
we
all
appreciate
being
spoken
to
respectfully
I
feel
like
in
my
opinion.
Some
of
the
issue
is
that
and
I've
said
this:
the
city
manager
a
lot
of
times.
People
are
just
angry
in
general,
about
national
stuff
and
also
local
I.
P
If
they
come
here
and
say
there
are
two
minutes,
you
know
it's
not
necessarily
going
to
they're
not
going
to
know
what
happens
to
it,
particularly
if
something's
on
the
agenda
for
that
night.
We're
not
necessarily
going
to
not
move
forward,
because
someone
came
to
make
a
very
passionate
statement
and
so
I
try
to
explain
to
people
how
City
Council
works
and
how
the
committees
work
beforehand,
so
that
they
can
be
informed
and
engaged
and
make
their
opinion
known
earlier.
P
P
That's
why
I
also
feel
like
having
our
meeting
start
at
the
correct
time
is
helpful
because
then,
if
people
do
want
to
come,
make
their
presentation
they're,
not
leaving
they're
frustrated
at
nine
o'clock
when
their
issue
hasn't
even
come
up
so
I,
don't
know
if
Sara
Lee,
all
right,
I
wouldn't
support
us
bringing
in
you
know
someone
to
talk
to
us
about
this.
I
think
you
know.
P
We
all
know
what
what
we
want
to
accomplish
here
and
being
civil
I
also
think
that
the
public
has
some
responsibility
to
take
in
the
way
that
they
address
us
or
address
anybody
else.
I've
had
comments
like
otterman
Wilson
spoke
about
where
people
call
me
the
next
day
and
say
they
were
harassed
at
their
car
because
they
disagreed
and
made
a
statement
that
wasn't
popular.
So
I
think
that
our
citizen
base
has
to
take
some
responsibility
in
this
as
well.
P
So
I,
don't
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
worth
making
a
rule
for
if
we
have
some
new
model,
I
don't
really
like
models,
but
maybe
it's
just
really
communicating
a
little
better
with
our
citizen
base.
How
public
comment
works?
What
to
expect
when
you
do
speak
at
the
podium?
You
know
where
to
start,
if
you
have
a
concern
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
so
people
by
the
time
they
get
here,
aren't
super
frustrated.
Okay,.
J
Don't
like
hearing
people
attacked
okay.
Well,
that's
really
so
inappropriate
and
it
keeps
happening
over
and
over
and
over
and
over,
and
we
can
be
as
civil
as
you
want,
but
when
people
keep
hearing
it
over
and
over
and
over,
they
think.
Oh,
we
have
an
incompetent
financial
person.
We
have
an
incompetent
city
manager,
and
people
are
spending
money.
Foolishly,
and
you
know
it
just
become.
N
N
We
are
very
passionate,
you
know,
citizen,
you
know
very
passionate
citizens
that
live
in
Evanston.
You've
heard
me
say
this
before
we
are
encouraging
people
to
get
engaged
and
to
come
to
come
forward
that
you
know
I,
think
people
get
you
know,
disappointed
and,
and
sometimes
again
their
passion
runs
runs
a
bit
and
it
may
even
get
angry
when
their
point
of
view
doesn't
prevent,
doesn't
prevail.
N
We
all
know-
or
you
guys
all
know,
you
know
generally
I,
don't
vote
on
issues,
but
you
know
in
the
course
of
your
four
years
on
the
council:
I
did
a
real,
quick
calculation,
I
think
you're
gonna
have
somewhere
between
700
and
1,000
votes
that
you
that
you
will
make
some
of
those
obviously
are
people
are
more
passionate
than
others
and
and
I.
Just
you
know,
I
try
to
communicate
and
I
think
we
all
do
what
representative
democracy
is
about
and
that
this
is
the
elected
body
that
represents
the
the
city
of
Evanston
I.
N
Think
on
whole.
This
body
does
a
good
job
modeling.
What
respectful
and
civil
discourse
is
I've
been
really
impressed
with
the
council
and
in
the
conversations
that
we
that
we
have
I
do
very
much
believe
sort
of
in
freedom
of
speech
and
well
we
can,
you
know,
preach
civil
discourse
and
things
like
that.
N
It
doesn't
mean
that
you
don't
get
passionate
and
in
your
voice,
doesn't
raise-
and
maybe
you
say
things
that
later
on,
you
regret
the
the
you
regret
that
you
said
it
I,
don't
certainly
like
you
know
some
of
the
comments
you
know
that
are
made
directed
towards
any
person
up
here.
That
I
think
are,
you
know
over
the
line,
but
that
is
the
public's
right.
If
the
public
wants
to
get
up
there
and
do
that
I,
don't
think
we
should
have.
N
You
know,
engage
back-and-forth
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
respectful
of
public
comment
and
public
input
to
the
council,
and
that
is
the
public's
45
minutes.
I
feel
strongly
that
we
should
not,
you
know,
engage
back-and-forth,
regardless
of
what
is
said
in
terms
of
you
know,
other
additional
steps
that
we
can
take
here
and
in
the
community.
You
know
I
think
we
have
a
great
organization
here
in
Evanston.
That
cares
a
lot
about.
You
know:
good
good
government
and
citizen
engagement.
That's
the
League
of
Women
Voters.
N
There's
some
members
of
the
League
of
Women
Voters
here
here
tonight,
and
there
and
they're
always
here
and
I
know
they
periodically
take
on
projects,
and
you
know
I
think
you
know
looking
to
an
organization
like
the
league
and
saying
hey,
could
you
guys
look
into
this
and
you
know
do
some
of
that
research
around
the
country
and
so
forth
and
come
and
come
back
and
suggest
to
the
council
into
the
city
of
Evanston?
Hey
here
are
three
or
four
or
five.
You
know
actions
that
we
think
could
be
taken.
That
would
you
know,
improve.
N
You
know
civil
discourse
here,
other
things
there
they're,
really
small
things
and
I'm
sure
I'll
be
heckled
for
it
potentially,
but
you
know
sometimes
I
wish
I
had
a
button
up
there
where
I
could
put
on
some
soft
sounding
music.
You
know
a
little
classical
music
for
the
crowd
and
things
like
that,
like
there's
a
reason
that
that
happens
when
you're,
when
you're
at
when
you're
at
stores
and
things
like
that
and
there's
also
a
reason
when
you
walk
through
high
schools
that
they
have.
N
You
know
mottos
and
inspiring
and
inspiring
words
on
the
walls
when
you
walk
through
schools
and
I.
Look
behind
us
and
we've
got
a
big
blue
wall,
and
so
sometimes
I
have
a
fleeting
thought
that
gee,
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
here,
because
when
you're
out
there
in
the
audience
and
you're
looking
up
here
at
the
City,
Council
and
perhaps
you're
upset
about
a
particular
issue,
you
know
seeing
something:
that's
that's
pretty
inspiring
behind
us
about
what
we're
all
doing
here.
N
You
know
maybe
helpful
again,
it's
a
small,
it's
a
small
thing,
but
you
know
I,
don't
think.
There's
some
big
thing
that
we're
missing
here
I
think
we're
fortunate
as
a
community
that
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
care
about
Evanston
and
want
to
have
their
voice
heard.
We
just
all
have
to
recognize
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It
is
a
representative
democracy.
The
City
Council
of
the
legislators
and
ultimately
they
need
to
make
decisions
on
lots
of
issues
over
there
for
years.
A
I
M
I,
don't
really
know
that
they
are
intended.
As
you
know,
the
the
minute
or
you
know
up
to
three
minutes
for
the
for
the
public
comment,
the
other
thing
I
find
potentially
troubling.
Is
you
know?
Where
do
you
draw
that
line?
You
know
if
you
let's
say
you
live
in
a
tall
building
and
you're,
you
know,
you're
gonna
have
to
disclose
that
your
view
would
be
obstructed.
You
might
have
a
number
of
reasons
for
not
liking
a
project,
but
you
know
they
have
to
sign
up,
and
you
know
disclose
all
of
these
things
about
yourself.
M
It
starts
to
get
a
little
bit
uncomfortable
I,
think
potentially
for
for
the
speakers
and
I
think
it
would
be
an
impediment
to
people
being
able
to
come,
come
to
this
body
and
speak
freely.
You
know
the
Chicago
ordinance
seems
to
me
to
be
a
bit.
You
know
overkill
for
a
community
our
size,
and
you
know
the
level
of
you
know.
You
know
we're
not
full-time
people.
We
don't
have
staff,
that's
meeting
with
people
on
our
behalves.
You
know
we
just
kind
of
you
know
are
doing.
M
You
know
the
amount
of
time
that
we
can
fit
in
and
I.
Don't
personally,
I
don't
get
your
lobbyists.
You
know
banging
down
my
door,
I
mean
I.
Get
emails
from.
You
know
come
to
this
meeting
about
how
to
save
your
city,
money
and
things
like
that,
but
you
know
I
ignore
them,
so
you
know
it.
You
know
it
generally.
Otherwise,
I
try
to
have
an
open
door.
If
somebody
doesn't
like
up
something
I.
M
A
Well,
I'm
just
gonna
jump
in
for
a
second
here
for
the
longest
time.
Anyone
who
spoke
at
citizen
comment,
we
would
ask
them
their
address.
You
know
that
was
part
of
the
standard.
You
know
my
name
is
I
live
at
this
address
and
then,
within
the
last
two
or
three
years
we
discovered
that
that
we
it
was.
A
G
G
You
know
I
feel,
like
you're
missing
the
main
point
of
an
ordinance,
the
ordinance.
The
main
point
of
it
is
about
all
of
you
and
city
staff.
That's
primarily
what
in
a
lobby
ordinance
targets
and
then
encompassed
in
that
it's
also
people
who
might
get
up
in
and
you
know
they
should
divulge,
whether
or
not
they're
being
paid,
but
it's
primarily
about
the
aldermen
and
city
staff.
This
is
primarily
what
an
ordinance
focuses
on
on
conflicts
of
interest
with
elected
people
as
well
as
city
staff.
G
A
Right,
thank
you.
Let's
see,
I
have
a
lot
of
lights.
Fleming
then
aldermen
suffered
in
and
then
Aldrin
fest
called
me
funny.
So.
P
If
I
look
at
the
Chicago,
so
I
don't
support
this,
but
if
I
look
at
the
Chicago
ordinance,
it
says
if
we're
using
this
as
an
example
under
the
city
law
and
not
a
lobbyist
as
anybody,
whatever
their
title,
who
attempts
to
influence
city
decisions
on
behalf
of
another,
it
says
like
a
client
or
employer
regarding
administrative
or
legislative
issues.
So
this
one
in
particular
this
definition
does
not
talk
about
someone
being
paid.
But
if
we
use
this
definition,
then
I'm
not
really
meeting
with
anybody.
P
So
when
the
Evanston,
like
house
and
Gardens
people
call
me
about
meeting
I'm
saying
no,
because
they're
lobbying
me
to
make
a
decision
right,
but
they're
not
being
paid,
but
they
have
an
interest
in
a
project
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I
am
probably
one
of
the
only
other
people
who
do
not
meet
with
any
developer,
including
lighthouse
and
Gardens,
which
is
my
own
personal
preference.
But
if
I
did
meet
with
someone
who
was
you
know
petitioning
me
or
trying
to
gain
favor
to
make
a
decision?
P
I
think
that
I
should
be
able
to
do
that
because
we
just
talked
about.
We
just
talked
about
public
comment
being
limited
and
I'm
not
going
to
have
a
discussion
with
them
mayor
and
I,
don't
care
whether
they
purchase
a
I.
Don't
care
I,
don't
think
it
matters
for
me
whether
they
are
registered
or
not,
because
the
next
step
would
then
be
if
I'm
meeting
with
mr.
Carlos
is
meeting
with
me
about
whatever
his
issue
is
and
he
registers
then
I
guess.
P
The
next
step
is
I'm
reporting
that
meeting
to
our
clerk
or
someone
else
right.
There's
a
lot
of
processes
here
that
I.
Imagine
then
there's
a
four
year
part
of
this,
then
someone
can
go
into
whoever
I
met
with
and
mr.
Sutton
might
be
meeting
with
me
about
an
issue
with
whatever
it
is
right.
Maybe
he
doesn't
feel
comfortable
going
to
someone
else
he's
talking
to
me
and
that's
not
something
that
he's
before
you.
P
P
I
know
there
was
this
came
up
during
one
of
the
developments
about
you
know,
someone
being
paid
and
working
for
the
developer
and-
and
they
were
lobbying
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
I
also
remember
where
it
came
to
my
attention
that
someone
came
to
the
podium
made
a
presentation
with
the
PowerPoint.
You
know
that
we
all
listened
to
and
it
came
to
my
attention
afterwards
that
they
were
paid
now.
P
They
didn't
proclaim
up
here
at
the
podium,
but
they
were
paid
by
any
group
and
that
their
you
know,
time
had
been
paid
for
to
sway
us
either
way
and
I.
Think
we
made
our
decision
just
based
on
the
information
we
had,
whether
or
not
they
were
paid.
Of
course,
I
did
like
I
said.
I
didn't
know
that,
so
it
didn't
impact
my
vote,
but
I
guess.
My
bottom
line
is
that
this
seems
a
little
more
cumbersome
than
I.
P
Think
that
we
need,
if
you
have
an
issue
with
trust
of
your
elected
official
or
any
of
our
elected
officials,
we
do
have
an
ethics
board
you
can
go
to.
There
are
some
procedures
already
in
place
for
that
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
start
documenting
every
meeting
we
have
with
you
know
these
quote-unquote
lobbyists
for
our
clerk
or
whoever
else
to
then
keep
record
up.
I
mean
that
would
be
like
me
documenting
every
email
I
have
about
someone
who's.
P
You
know
sending
me
a
petition
or
whatever
they're,
sending
me
trying
to
get
me
to
vote
yes
or
no
to
whatever
their
issue
is
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
start
I,
don't
want
to
start
sending
over
every
email
either
for
the
clerk
to
start
recording.
So
it
seems
like
a
lot
more
work
than
we
need.
Think
if
there's
some
trust
issues
or
you
think
that
we're
being
paid
off
or
whatever
we're
being,
we
can
take
that
up
with
the
Ethics
Board.
O
I
guess
I
don't
understand
the
problem
you're
trying
to
solve.
If
you,
if
you
help
me
understand
it,
then
we
could
go
from
there,
but
I
don't
understand
because
the
lobbyist
Registration
Act,
we
none
of
us-
would
be
registering
it
be
the
people
speaking
with
us
I
mean.
If
you
look
at
the
city,
chicago
state
of
illinois,
Cook
County,
none
of
us
would
be
required
to
report
interactions.
Wait.
O
F
Office
has
done
a
bit
of
research
into
this,
so
it's
not
it's
not
to
limit
conversations.
Carlos
wanted
to
meet
with
alderman
Flemming
or
any
of
you
about
any
topic.
Carlos
is
a
member
of
our
community
and
has
the
right
to
do
that,
wouldn't
under
my
interpretation
of
what
I
think
we
should
pass
as
a
lobbyist.
F
L
P
F
And
I
don't
think
they're
too
hurt
for
us
to
have
a
very
simple
registration,
if
someone's
being
paid
by
some
entity
to
meet
with
an
alderman,
whether
and
in
a
public
setting
such
as
a
committee
meeting
or
at
a
lunch
that
we
just
don't
know
about,
because
we
don't.
If
we
don't
have
a
lobbyist
ordinance
on.
We
don't
know
who
you
know
if
you're
meeting
with
developers,
we
wouldn't
know
if
an
economist.
F
So
degree,
if
someone
pays
an
economist
to
make
a
presentation
at
the
City
Council
that
person
should
have
had
to
register
as
a
lobbyist
to
let
us
know
that
this
person
is
being
paid
to
make
their
comment.
Iii
think
that's,
it
makes
sense,
it's
not
something
that
would
be
huge
barriers.
Some
of
the.
F
Person,
this
wouldn't
add
anything
to
your
work.
You
wouldn't
have
to
notify
me
that
you
had
a
meeting
with
anyone.
It's
up
to
the
person
who's
the
lobbyist
to
register
with
the
city.
They
pay
a
small
nominal
fee
and
Chicago
I
think
it's
actually
a
larger
fee,
but
here
could
be
a
nominal
fee,
and
that
would
if
we
have
it
on
the
books,
then
we
know
what's
going
on
the
public
knows
what's
going
on.
F
We
know
if
they're
lobbyists
in
the
city
or
if
there
aren't-
and
it
just
builds
trust
whether
there
are
two
people
that
register
as
lobbyists
or
one
person
or
no
one.
There
registers
we
at
least
have
an
understanding
and
a
metric
for
how
many
people
are
being
paid
to
influence
decisions
in
our
city.
F
L
M
M
All
day
long
I
think
you
should
do
this
I,
don't
think
you
should
do
that.
You
know
Karen
Demarest
is
out.
I
saw
his.
This
conversation
was
going
on,
so
she's
gonna
have
to
register
and
every
time
she
talks
to
any
of
us
about
anything.
She's
gonna
have
to
fill
out
a
report,
because
that's
what
this
says
I
had
coffee
with
somebody
from
YWCA
today,
so
that
person
would
have
to
register
every
single.
Like
you
know,
passing
conversation
the
day
where
any
city
business
comes
up
would
have
to
get
reported.
No.
F
M
F
M
So
you
know
that's
that's
that
doesn't
make
any
sense,
because
if
a
developer
is
gonna
come
in
with
an
envelope
of
a
thousand
dollars
and
slip
it
to
somebody
they're
not
gonna
report
that
so
it's
it's
that's
why
it's
absurd.
So
it's
it's
not
happening
and
and
I
just
think
that
part
of
that
you
know
conversation
the
community
is,
you
know,
kind
of
I,
don't
know
where
it
comes
from
I've,
never
seen
any
evidence
of
anything
like
that.
M
So,
but
on
the
other
hand,
to
suggest
that
you
know
everybody
in
this
community,
this
is
gonna
apply
to
every
single
nonprofit
to
all
their
employees.
Who
might
possibly
talk
to
us
because
the
ordinance
says
and
most
ordinances
like
this
say
things
like
this
section-
extends
to
any
person
who
undertakes
to
influence
any
legislative
or
administrative
action
as
part
of
their
duties
as
an
employee
of
another.
So
that's
all
the
employees
of
people
who
in
any
way
interact
with
us.
F
M
F
A
Everything
actually
you're,
not
getting
an
accurate
picture,
I
mean
I,
go
to
Starbucks
on
dempster
every
day
and
I
have
on
any
given
week.
I
have
15
conversations
with
people
about
City
business.
Some
of
them
are,
are
people
who
I
know
who
work
for
not-for-profits
who
happen
to
live
nearby
or
just
walked
in
I
have
conversations
with
residents
there.
All
the
time
I
have
conversations
with
the
Starbucks
manager
about
issues
relating
to
his
that
Starbucks
store.
A
F
A
Everyday
conversations
it
immediately
are
so
frequently
I
mean
a
lot
of
times,
they're,
not
about
the
not
for
profit,
but
many
many
many
times
they
are
and
they
happen
because
Oh
Melissa
I
hear
you
are
I,
wanted
to
talk
with
you
about
such-and-such.
We
were
discussing
at
our
board
meeting
last
night
having
getting
an
interaction
going
or
this
or
these
are
the
new
issues
or
I'll
ask
them
what
new
were
at
particular
not-for-profit.
Tell
me
what's
going
on,
you
know
it.
That's
that's
frequently
how
things
happen.
A
Yes,
we
all
set
up
individual
meetings
with
people
who
have
concerns
about
the
council
or
our
business,
but
an
awful
lot
of
it
because
we
are
a
relatively
small
city
happens
on
in
businesses
or
on
sidewalks
or
very
organically.
You
know,
as
we
make
our
way
through
the
day,
so
I
think
I
understand
why
Chicago
and
larger
cities
have
this,
but
I
agree
with
alderman
suffered
and
I'm,
not
sure
I
understand
what
the
problem
is
here,
but
I
do
want
to.
We
have
several
other
folks.
So
thank
you
very
much
mayor
Haggerty
I,
just.
N
I
Know
the
past
practice
of
the
committee
has
been
when
the
there
are
often
discussion
items
before
the
committee.
They
have
not
required
a
motion
or
a
second
there's,
no
recommended
action
before
the
council
or
for
the
committee
this
evening.
So
it's
really
that
can
change
over
time.
I
think
the
desire
of
the
committee,
but
past
practice
has
been
discussions
like
this
occur
right.
A
G
You,
okay,
it's
just
really
disconcerting
to
hear
this
incredible
resistance
to
a
lobby
ordinance
across
the
nation
towns.
Much
smaller
than
this
have
Lobby
ordinances,
so
I
would
like
to
propose.
I
will
find
an
expert
in
the
lobby
ordinance
whether
it
be
representative
from
another
city
I'd
like
somebody
to
come
in,
to
speak
to
you
all,
so
you
can
really
understand
it
and
hear
about
how
its
implemented
in
cities
that
are
gonna.
A
A
Slow
down
everybody
III,
the
I
invited
Claire
to
come
up
and
provide
a
little
bit
of
so
it
she
is
following
in
my
direction:
alderman
San
Fermin
suffered
in
so
Claire.
If
you
can
provide
us
with
additional
information
that
would
be
helpful.
Okay,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
I
I
think
we're
ready
to
move
on
I
just.
N
G
N
N
G
G
You're
described
well
I
think
I've
started
by
saying
that
you
know
in
this
town,
where
we've
seen
a
lot
of
large
projects
going
through
in
the
face
of
just
you
know
what
it's
just
there's
it's
created
a
lot
of,
there's
a
lot
of
distrust
out
there
and,
like
I,
said
perceived
or
real
I'm,
not
saying,
but
either
way.
The
idea
is
to
restore
trust
in
this
town,
and
this
is
one.
This
is
a
way
that's
very
effective
in
doing
so.
G
It's
also
just
you
should
do
this
for
transparency
and
it
doesn't,
as
Devon
said,
if
there's
nobody
lobbying,
if
there's
no
me,
then
there's
no
work
to
be
done.
There's
no
forms
to
fill
out,
and
the
point
is
that,
like
whoever
pointed
out,
oh,
if
you're,
given
them
a
thousand
dollars
into
the
table,
well
it
ups
the
ante,
because
if
you
do
that
and
there's
a
Lobby
law
now
you're
subject
to
higher
fines,
and
it
just
put
makes
it
makes
it
less
attract.
A
I
Chair
members
of
the
committee
there's
a
staff
report
before
you
I
think
that
if
this
is
something
that
you
have
any
interest
in
that,
perhaps
we
would
then,
if
you
could
just
refer
back
to
staff,
we
can
come
back
with
those
mortgage
payments.
The
city
clerk
I
think
made
some
additional
comments,
which
we
could
certainly
incorporate.
Also
again,
I
think
if
this
is
something
you'd
like
to
pursue,
then
please
refer
back
to
staff
I.
A
M
Like
to
do
that,
in
addition,
if
we
could
have
the
clerk
work
with
the
law
department
to
review
the
existing
form,
that's
used
just
to
make
sure
that
the
language
is
current.
I
know
that
some
of
the
languages
you
know,
for
example,
it
refers
to
your
significant
other,
as
opposed
to
you
know.
Maybe
the
way
we
refer
to
our
relationships
in
the
present
day.
So
if
the
law
department
could
just
take
a
look
at
that
form
and
present
the
proposed
form
when
that's
before
us,
we
can
make
sure
that
that's
inappropriate.
A
I
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
on
page
27
of
your
packet,
a
memorandum
for
mr.
trudeau,
we're
proposing
resolution
37
r18
to
clarify
the
votes
that
occur
committee
matters.
The
detainee
majority
vote
from
all
president
would
move
forward
with
a
positive
recommendations.
Manage
that
obtain
a
tae-bo
from
all
president
will
move
forward
to
the
full
City
Council
the
neutral
recommendation
and
clarifies
any
manner
not
just
ordinances.
A
resolution
before
City
Council,
Standing
Committee
may
move
forward
to
City
Council
with
a
neutral
recommendation.
A
I
Think
the
the
challenge
is
that
from
time
to
time,
committees
decide
that,
despite
the
fact
that
it
has
failed,
that
they've
still
moved
it
forward
and
so
and
for
the
purpose
I.
Think
of
this
referral
that
the
committee
was
to
clarify
if
something
is
defeated
at
committee
or
something
has
a
tie,
what
occurs?
Okay.
A
I
A
J
I
was
wonderful
conversation
regarding
the
pros
and
cons
of
elected
versus
appointed
clerk
and
a
review
of
various
communities
around
the
state
of
Illinois
that
had
both
gone
from
elected
clerk
to
appointed
clerk
and
some
who
always
had
an
appointed
clerk,
and
vice
versa
and
I
found
it
really
fascinating,
because
I
had
never
really
given
it
too
much
thought
and
lately,
given
the
discussion
of
budget
etc
and
the
various
obligations
of
the
clerk.
Given
the
various
issues
with
well
I
can't
do
this
anymore,
I'm
not
doing
that
anymore.
I
just
thought.
J
If
if
the
clerk
were
appointed,
then
the
people
in
the
clerk's
office
could
be
sharing
responsibilities
with
the
city
manager's
office
would
finance
office
of
the
collector's
office
etc,
and
that
would
be
very,
financially
efficient,
absolutely
positively.
This
doesn't
have
to
do
with
the
current
clerk.
It
has
to
do
with
divine
read.
It
does
have
to
do
with
that.
It
has
to
do
with
the
office
and,
however,
certain
issues
that
have
arisen
make
it
to
me
it
make.
J
It
seem
like
this
might
be
the
time
to
bring
this
to
the
people
you
want
to
talk
about
being
democratic.
This
is
an
extremely
democratic
thing.
Referendum
are
democratic,
you're,
asking
the
people
of
the
city
of
Evanston.
What
they
want.
They've
never
been
asked
this
before
and
I
think
I
think
it's
really
quite
a
bit
of
democracy
in
action.
Do
you
want
an
elected
clerk
or
do
you
want
an
appointed
clerk?
And
it's
it's
quite
that
simple.
J
You
want
to
talk
about
power
and
democracy,
there's,
probably
not
a
more
powerful,
more
concentrated
power
in
the
city
of
Evanston
than
in
the
city
clerk.
Nobody
can
tell
the
city
clerk.
What
to
do
I
mean
the
city
clerk
could
do
what
everyone
sees
not
like.
The
city
manager
he's
not
like
an
alderman
it.
It's
all
concentrated
right
there
and
it's
never
been
more
obvious
than
with
this
city
clerk,
so
I'm,
just
asking
the
Rules
Committee
to
give
this
some
thought.
I.
M
Thank
you
generally
speaking.
As
far
as
the
record-keeping
aspect
of
things,
I,
don't
think
record-keeping
should
be
a
political
issue,
so
you
might
like
your
president
clerk
and
they
might
be
doing
the
job
exactly
the
way
you
prefer.
On
the
other
hand,
you
might
have
a
city
clerk
who
shows
up,
and
this
is
not
you
just
to
be
clear,
but
let's
say
there
was
a
city
clerk
who
decided
you
know
what
I'm
gonna
destroy
all
the
records
before
you
know.
M
You
know
five
years
ago,
and
they
do
that
or
I'm
gonna
delete
a
lot
of
stuff
from
the
website
or
I'm.
Gonna.
Do
you
know
whatever
it
might
be?
There
is
really
no
ability
to
control
a
large
portion
of
that
aspect
of
the
job,
so
this
is
with
regard
to
the
record-keeping,
I,
understand
and
respect.
The
clerk
has
been
working
to
expand
the
role
into
two
different
things
with
that
job,
but
as
far
as
the
record-keeping
part
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
idea,
that
record-keeping
would
be
a
political
position.
M
Generally
speaking,
though,
I
don't
feel
like
this
that
this
issue
is
a
big
community
priority,
so
I
don't
think
we
should
be
putting
this
up
as
a
referendum.
We've
got
a
lot
of
things.
That
is
true.
We
should
be
attending
to
you
know
if
the
work
is
getting
done,
the
works
getting
done,
and
you
know
they
think
if
we
want
to
you,
know,
work
with
with
the
position
later
and
work
with
the
clerk
later,
that's
something
we
can
take
on
on
a
more
measured
basis,
but
I
don't
feel
comfortable
pursuing
this
as
a
referendum.
L
L
R
We
continually
stressed
that
it
was
about
a
clerk
and
not
mr.
Reid,
and
but
we
did,
research,
state
statutes,
evanston
ordinances,
and
we
have
made
a
small
report
to
the
league
at
our
annual
meeting.
We
will
are
planning
to
make
a
more
formal
report
and
make
it
a
public,
but
that
will
be
some
time
coming,
but
we
wanted
to
be.
If
a
referendum
came
up,
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
Ed
educate
the
community
about
the
role
of
a
city
clerk,
and
that
was
it.
L
Thank
you
so,
and
that's
certainly
what
we
would
expect
from
the
league
and
not
a
not
a
recommendation,
but
information
and
I
think
that's
actually
really
helpful.
I
I
find
it
really
interesting
to
think
about
this
as
compared
to
the
the
township
and
I'm
curious
as
to
whether
there
would
be
any
cost
savings.
Mr.
L
city
manager,
I,
don't
expect
you
to
answer
this
tonight,
but
I,
just
as
we
and
you
know
how
long
it
took
us
to
have
the
discussion
about
the
township
I'm
just
curious
about
that,
because
it
does
seem
to
me
if
we're
streamlining
and
can
cut
or
make
cost
savings
that
that
would
be.
That
would
be
a
piece
of
information
that
would
go
along
I,
think
well,
with
whatever
the
lead
comes
up
with,
but
I
think
that's
all
of
that
information
is
going
to
be
really
helpful.
I
think.
N
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
sue
because
I
know
the
league
sent
a
couple
folks
over
I
met
with
them.
They
just
talked
to
me
that
they
were
doing
this.
I
didn't
know
anything
about
it
before
then.
My
understanding
is
this
research
that
the
league
has
been
doing
started
a
while
ago,
before
the
line
before
the
last
election.
I
just
want
to
I
want
to
confirm
and
understand
the
the
start
date
of
it.
I.
K
R
N
All
right,
okay,
my
understanding
was
it
was
before
that
was
important.
That's
important
that
was
important
to
me.
I
also
think
that
you
know
if
this
is
a
debate
that
the
council
ultimately
takes
up.
I
would
I
would
hope
that
if
there
were
ever
a
referendum
placed
on
the
ballot
that
it's
clearly
understood
that
the
elected
clerk
in
that
position,
you
know
serves
out
the
term.
If
the
voters
in
a
referendum
said
no,
we
want
to
have
an
appointed
clerk
and
not
an
elected
clerk.
I
would
assume
that's
the
way
it
works.
Okay,
thank
you.
J
L
A
L
N
A
F
I
just
want
to
make
one
point:
when
compiling
data
about
the
office
I'd
love
to
you
know
as
it
is
an
independent
office,
I
think
our
office
should
compile
any
data
that
you're
looking
for,
and
we
can.
We
can
do
that,
whether
it's
budgeting
that
there's
we
can
compile
all
of
that
data
and
just
to
be
to
answer
alderman
Wilson's
point
of
all
record-keeping
shouldn't
be
a
political
they're,
very
clear
laws.
The
state
of
Illinois
has
on
record
retention,
and
so
there
isn't
room
for
political
anything
with
those
laws
for
a
retention.
Okay,
thank.
A
J
J
A
Q
J
Just
want
to
make
it
very
clear:
we
do
it
differently.
Every
administration,
public
works,
meaning
Amazon
purchases
need
to
be
taken
off
the
consent
agenda
and
just
added
to
the
committee
chairs
report
when
she
reads
the
items
off
the
consent
agenda
not
to
take
to
roll
call
votes
in
a
row,
I
mean
it's
just
such
a
waste
attack
and.
I
Again,
Alderman
suffered
and
was
elected
to
the
council.
He
declared
the
conflict,
and
this
was
the
the
device
that
the
corporation
council
devised
to
make
sure
that
that
conflict
was
a
drastic
I.
Don't
know
that
if
it's
been
causing
an
issue,
I've
certainly
haven't
noticed
that
if
other
members
of
the
council
feel
this
way,
I'm
certainly
glad
for
us
to
look
at
other
ways.
It
seems
pretty
streamlined
at
this
point.
J
Q
P
I
And
with
the
previous
action
this
evening,
adding
a
consent
calendar
now
all
aldermen
suffered
and
will
need
to
do
in
the
future
is
abstain
from
that
item
on
the
consent
calendar.
So
you
will
be
combining
that
it's
a
separate
item.
You
will
take
it
as
one
vote
as
long
as
he
abstains
on
the
consent
calendar
administration
of
Public
Works
for
that
item.
It
should
even
be
easier
now
with
use
of
the
use
of
a
consent,
calendar
right.