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A
D
A
A
Was
there?
Is
there
a
list
available
who,
on
staff,
would
have
access
to
that
kelly?
Usually,
okay,
no
problem,
we'll
start
with
folks
who
are
in
the
audience
and
would
like
to
give
public
comment.
So,
if
you'd
like
to
give
public
comment,
please
approach
the
podium.
E
Good
evening,
honorable
everybody
I'm
allie
harned
from
the
second
ward,
and
I'm
going
to
be
speaking
in
a
little
bit
about
the
evanston
voter
initiative
and
I'm
just
really
excited
to
continue
the
process
of
giving
the
voters
of
evanston
some
more
voice
with
ballot
choice.
So
I'll
be
talking
a
lot
more
about
the
process
that
we
went
through
and
how
we
got
to
this
place
so
far
and
all
of
the
exciting
things
that
you
all
have
the
opportunity
to
do
for
democracy
in
evanston.
So
just
look
forward
to
speaking
with
you
later
today.
F
Good
evening,
everyone
I
want
to
save
my
public
comment
for
for
city
council,
but
I
wanted
to
put
my
full
support
with
evi,
who
we
worked
very
hard.
2019
got
lots
of
signatures
thanks
to
pat
quinn
and
ellie
harnad
and
everybody
else
who
worked
on
our
team.
So
I
hope
we
can
move
that
forward
and
I
think
it's
a
really
good
initiative
and
we've
been
talking
about
accountability,
transparency.
F
A
All
right.
That
concludes
public
comment.
I'd
like
to
change
the
agenda
a
bit
and
move
item
r5
up
first,
so
without
objection,
we'll
start
with
item
r5.
C
What
about
zoom
public
comment?
Oh.
A
My
apologies,
we
didn't
see
anyone
else
but
beth.
Please
great.
C
Thank
you
I'm
sorry
my,
but
I
still
have
my
kids
names
on
the
zoom
so
and
I
was
not
able
to
change
it
to
my
name,
hello
rules,
committee
yeah.
C
C
The
residents
of
evanston
have
expressed
their
desire
to
have
the
opportunity
to
vote
for
or
against
a
process
of
voter
initiative
about
voter
initiated
ballot
choice.
The
people
want
to
decide
whether
or
not
evanston
allows
this
process.
So
please
allow
the
people
to
vote.
Please
put
the
evanston
voter
initiative
on
the
ballot.
This
is
democracy
in
action.
I
believe
this
is
a
voter's
rights
issue
and
it
augments
the
democratic
process.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you,
and
I
will
just
ask
if
there
is
anyone
else
that
is
wanting
to
provide
public
comment
through
zoom.
A
All
right
and
I'll
note
that
councilmember
fleming
is
here
on
on
the
on
the
phone
through
zoom
all
right,
so
we
will
now
move
item.
I
have
a
motion
to
move
item
r,
five
discussion
regarding
the
evanston
voter
initiative.
D
Chair,
mr
chair,
I
recognize
that
this
is
important
to
a
number
of
people,
but
we
have
three
or
four
items
for
action
tonight
and
we
also
have
a
really
important
budget
meeting
starting
in
50
minutes.
So
I
would
suggest
we
deal
with
the
items
for
action
first
and
then
perhaps
take
r5.
If
there's
time.
A
I
would
like
to
start
with
r5
the
items
for
action.
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
get
through
quickly
and
we're
not
going
to
do
item
r4.
I
will
save
that
for
its
proper
place,
but
in
respect
that
we
have
a
guest
testimony,
I'd
like
to
move
that
first.
G
I'm
I'll
move
item
r5.
A
Second,
to
primary
best,
thank
you
item
r5,
there's
a
recommendation
that
I've
made
to
discuss
whether
to
draft
a
resolution
and
ordinance
directing
a
voter
referendum
question
regarding
the
evanston
voter
initiative,
we
have
former
governor
pat
quinn,
who
has
been
a
long
time
advocate
of
voter
initiatives
and
public
inclusion
here
to
discuss
this
so
I'll
start
by
introducing
governor
quinn.
I
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
and
I
was
invited
to
this
city
hall
in
january
of
2019,
I
was
invited
by
the
then
clerk
of
our
city
of
evanston
to
speak
about
the
arlington
heights
municipal
initiative
and
also
the
municipal
initiatives
in
wisconsin
states
of
michigan
missouri
ohio.
I
I
As
you
have
heard,
they've
collected
nearly
4
000
signatures
from
every
ward
in
the
city.
A
very
diverse
group
of
folks
participated
in
the
petition,
drive
and
went
to
all
things
all
over
the
city
and
file
their
petition.
So
the
way
it
worked
in
arlington
heights
and
where
we're
talking
about
tonight
is
the
city,
council
or
village
board
of
arlington
heights
passed
an
initiative
ordinance
and
I've
included
that
in
the
packet
I
handed
out,
this
was
passed
in
1981
with
little
dissent
and
then
under
the
law
of
illinois.
I
Included
in
the
packet
I
just
handed
out
is
a
model
of
a
ordinance
for
evanston.
It's
only
a
draft
totally
up
to
the
council
to
decide
how
you
would
want
to
proceed
with
an
initiative
ordinance.
I
also
included
a
model
resolution
similar
to
what
they
did
in
arlington
heights.
Again,
it's
up
to
you
and
deciding
how
you
would
want
to
handle
the
matter.
I
I
But
I
thought
what
might
be
interesting
is
to
make
a
list
of
the
cities
across
the
midwest
and
across
the
country
that
have
big
universities,
major
universities
in
their
community
that
have
local
initiative,
and
that
includes
ann
arbor
and
michigan,
and
austin
and
texas,
berkeley
and
california
boulder
and
colorado.
I
Cambridge
massachusetts,
columbia,
missouri,
columbus,
ohio,
east
lansing,
michigan,
eugene,
oregon,
iowa
city,
iowa,
lexington,
kentucky
lincoln
nebraska,
madison,
wisconsin,
minneapolis-st,
paul,
minnesota,
missoula,
montana,
pittsburgh,
pennsylvania
and
tucson
arizona.
This
is
only
a
sampling
of
the
cities
that
have
local
initiatives,
but
the
power
of
local
initiative,
but
they
all
have
major
universities
in
their
community.
Just
like
evanston
does
with
northwestern
and
a
friend
of
mine
and
a
very,
I
think,
astute
political
scientist.
His
name
is
dick
simpson.
I
He
was
an
alderman
in
chicago
for
eight
years
he's
been
teaching
at
the
university
of
illinois
at
chicago
for
over
50
years,
students
have
had
his
political
science
course
he's
still
going.
I
recently
spoke
before
it
anyhow.
He
wrote
a
letter
to
the
council
about
the
evanston
voter
initiative
endorsing
it
and
including
the
idea
that
increasing
participation
in
government
is
a
very
important
thing.
Indeed.
I
included
also
a
column
by
a
columnist
from
the
new
york
times,
david
leonhardt.
I
It
was
written
back
in
2018,
but
it
was
after
the
election
where
voters
all
over
the
country
use
the
initiative
process
to
pass
very
progressive
legislation
in
their
communities
and
in
their
states,
and
I
have
included
a
list
of
progressive
issues
that
have
been
addressed
by
local
initiatives.
This
is
by
no
means
comprehensive,
but
it
was
prepared
on
short
notice
by
baladpedia,
which
is
a
neutral
organization.
I
They
do
studies
of
candidate
races
and
initiatives.
Referendums
across
excuse
me
across
the
country,
but
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
addressed
by
local
initiative
recently
include
children's
issues,
especially
early
childhood
education
oversight
of
police,
there's
one
that
just
passed
in
pittsburgh.
Banning
no
knock
warrants
by
initiative,
also,
environmental
initiatives
in
a
number
of
communities-
columbus,
ohio
this
year
in
a
few
weeks,
is
going
to
be
voting
on
a
energy
related
green
energy
initiative
put
on
the
ballot
by
the
voters.
I
Other
issues
have
occurred
across
the
country
on
environmental
subjects
and
then
there's
also
matters
that
affect
ethics
and
government
and
so
on.
So
it's
a
very
fruitful
area
of
opportunity
for
the
voters
of
a
community
to
address
issues
that
they
consider
important.
Unfortunately,
in
some
states
I
would
have
to
say
red
states.
There
have
been
movements
against
the
initiative
process,
idaho.
I
Raising
the
minimum
wage
has
been
a
very
common
subject
of
initiatives
across
the
state
paid
leave.
Also
marijuana
led
legalization,
environmental
and
energy
matters
as
well.
I've
included
also
afl-cio
passed
a
resolution
in
about
four
years
ago,
endorsing
the
right
of
folks
to
use
local
and
state
initiatives
to
address
matters
that
they
consider
important
in
their
community
common
cause
got
involved
in
initiative
in
michigan.
I
Recently,
the
legal
women
voters
has
been
quite
involved
in
protecting
the
right
of
initiative,
both
in
arkansas
arizona
and
other
states
as
well,
and
so
I
also
included
in
the
packet
here
the
history
of
initiative
in
the
state
of
illinois,
believe
it
or
not,
one
of
our
great
governors.
His
name
was
john
peter
altkeld,
endorsed
the
initiative
process
in
1897
and
endorsed
them.
I'm
sorry,
1899
endorsed
it.
I
On
a
labor
day,
speech,
a
few
years
later,
another
governor,
a
great
governor,
progressive
governor,
the
only
governor
who
was
elected
mayor
of
chicago
and
then
governor
of
illinois.
His
name
was
edward
dunn,
campaigned
on
the
right
of
voters
to
have
initiative
in
their
communities
and
in
their
state.
He
won
that
election.
I
His
very
first
speech
to
the
general
assembly
was
endorsing
initiative
and
I
included
his
speech
a
little
bit
about
him
as
well,
but
it
turns
out
in
1902
there
was
a
referendum
in
illinois
as
ours
in
our
state,
whether
or
not
we
should
have
statewide
initiative
and
also
whether
we
should
have
initiative
in
our
cities
and
towns
across
illinois.
I
They
passed
with
an
83
percent
majority.
The
bottom
line
is
that
history
has
indicated
that
voters
like
the
power
of
voting
on
issues
as
well
as
candidates,
by
no
means
as
a
substitute
for
a
council
like
this
or
any
council,
but
it
does
give
a
safety
valve
for
everyday
people
to
raise
issues
that
they
consider
to
be
important
under
the
terms
of
the
illinois
or
the
evanston
voter
initiative.
It's
basically
what's
called
an
indirect
initiative.
I
Everything
that
people
would
petition
first
has
to
come
to
your
council,
and
you
would
have
a
period
of
time
60
days
to
consider
that
proposal
as
they
have
in
arlington
heights
as
well,
and
then
voters
would
watch
and
see
how
the
council
acts.
If
the
council
supports
the
petition
measure,
then
there
isn't
even
a
referendum.
I
However,
if
the
council
doesn't
pass
the
measure,
it
does
go
on
the
ballot
for
the
voters
to
express
themselves
the
terms
of
the
evi,
the
evanston
voter
initiative
of
the
voters
approved
the
referendum,
then
afterwards,
this
council
would
have
30
days
to
decide
whether
or
not
you
approve,
and
you
still
have
what's
called
a
legislative
veto.
So
it's
a
very,
I
think,
safe
process
to
ensure
that
the
voice
of
everyday
people
gets
heard
on
issues
that
count
here
in
our
state
of
illinois
and
city
of
evanston.
I
I
think
it's
important
that,
especially
with
climate
change,
the
recent
gathering
climate
action
plan
for
the
metropolitan
area
of
chicago
was
adopted
to
help
the
cities
across
our
region
deal
with
the
issues
of
clean
air
and
clean
water
and
making
sure
we
have
a
climate
that
is
not
going
to
go
out
of
control,
and
some
of
those
ideas
may
indeed
be
subjects
that
people
petition
to
your
council.
I
want
to
stress
again
that
anything
that
voters
would
gather
signatures
for
the
signature
requirements
rather
high.
I
It's
eight
percent
of
those
who
voted
in
the
last
election
for
governor.
Well.
That
would
come
out
to
be
about
27
2800
folks
in
evanston,
just
to
sign
an
initiative
petition
to
trigger
something
that
would
come
before
your
council
and
then
you
would
have
that
debate
and
decide
whether
it's
a
good
idea
or
not.
This
process
has
been
going
on
for
over
a
century
north
of
here
in
wisconsin
north
of
here
in
michigan
east
of
here
in
ohio.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
our
mayor
in
chicago
I
happen
to
live
there.
I
Mayor
lori
lightfoot
was
born
in
masalan
ohio.
They
have
local
initiative,
she
went
to
college
in
ann
arbor
michigan
and
they
have
local
initiative
there
and
she
is
now
in
chicago
which
does
not
have
local
initiative,
but
there
is
an
alderman
who
has
already
proposed
a
local
initiative
for
the
city
of
chicago,
so
we
don't
want
chicago
to
get
ahead
of
evanston
evanston,
I
think,
can
show
folks
all
over
our
state
and
for
that
matter,
our
region
that
we're
not
going
to
have
voter
suppression
in
america.
I
I
So
that's
really
what
the
evanston
voter
initiative
is
all
about,
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor
that
point,
because
I
know
ali
harned,
who
has
been
involved
from
day
one
in
gathering
signatures
and
organizing
on
behalf
of
the
initiative
here
in
evanston,
would
like
to
speak
and
once
you
take
it
from
there.
A
We
only
have
a
few
seconds
left
for
testimony
if
we'll
grant
another
two
minutes
or
so
a
minute
or
two
and
then
we'll
start
taking
questions
from
the
council.
E
That
sounds
good.
I've
talked
a
lot
about
this.
Before
to
you
all,
we
put
together
a
slideshow
I'll
talk
as
fast
as
I
usually
do,
so
it
should
work.
Like
governor
quinn
said,
we
started
with
a
presentation
by
him
about
what
the
ballot
initiative
process
is.
Oh
I'm
in
charge
awesome.
We
started
gathering
signatures
in
june
of
2019.
E
E
We
would
spend
time
notarizing
them,
and
then
we
ended
up
with
3871
evanstonians
who
want
this
to
be
on
the
ballot,
so
it's
really
just
answering
to
them
and
answering
their
call
to
have
it
on
the
ballot
we
handed
it
in
on
december
16th
and
governor
quinn
has
already
talked
about
what
the
process
is.
This
is
in
your
packet,
so
you
can
read
that
my
good
friend,
jane
adams,
founder
of
social
work,
says
the
cure
for
ill.
The
cure
for
the
ills
of
democracy
is
more
democracy,
so
this
is
a
great
book
by
her.
E
I
hope
that
you
will
follow
her
lead.
This
is
also
in
your
packet.
Like
governor
quinn,
said
voting.
Rights
are
under
attack
all
over
the
country
and
the
ballot
initiative
strategy
center
has
is
very
active
in
trying
to
fight
against
a
lot
of
ballot
initiative
attacks
the
league
of
women
voters
supports
ballot
initiative
process.
You
can
find
this
on
several
places.
I'll
send
this
presentation
to
you
and
it
has
links.
There's
attacks
with
the
the
southern
poverty
law
center
is
trying
to
counteract
the
mississippi
vote.
E
The
mississippi
they
struck
down
voter
ballot
initiative
because
they
wanted
to
eliminate
medicaid
or
the
medicaid
for
all,
so
lots
of
great
things
that
are
possible
for
ballot
initiative,
and
that's
it
is
that
was
that
fast.
That
was
fast,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
moving
this
up
on
the
agenda.
I
do
have
to
get
to
my
child
and
thank
you
to
brian
for
taking
fits
and
high
fits
because
they're
watching.
A
Us
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right,
I'll
start
taking
any
comments
or
questions
from
the
dice.
A
So
the
the
process
for
this
would
be
governor
quinn.
If
you
can.
I
know
that.
There's
an
attempt
to
get
this
on
the
ballot
and
the
courts
had
a
different
opinion
in
how
the
system
could
move
forward.
So
this
body
would
have
to
pass
an
ordinance
and
a
resolution.
The
ordinance
would
authorize
the
voter
initiative
system.
A
The
resolution
would
then
be
placed
on
the
ballot
to
let
the
voters
decide
if
they
want
a
and
a
voter
initiative
system
here
in
evanston
and
then
from
there
the
system
would
be
created
where
the
process
as
outlined
would
take
place.
A
The
deadline
to
get
this
on
the
june
ballot
is
approaching,
as
that
has
to
be
submitted
to
the
county.
I
believe
96
days
out
from
an
election,
and
I
see
our
corporation
council
has
a
comment.
J
A
I
The
arlington
heights
method
of
the
council
passing
first
the
ordinance
that
they
considered
to
be
an
initiative
ordinance
that
had
to
be
step.
One
then
step
two.
The
council
itself
would
have
to
pass
a
resolution
to
put
the
I
that
ordinance
initiative
ordinance
before
the
voters
for
their
approval.
I
This
was
done
in
arlington
heights.
It
was
not
done
with
initiative,
but
with
a
similar
kind
of
restructuring
in
the
city
of
moline.
So
the
two
cases
that
really
there's
a
case
called
flowers
versus
city
of
moline.
That
outlines
how
a
council,
by
passing
an
ordinance
like
the
initiative,
ordinance
step.
One
then
step
two
is:
you
must
have
a
referendum
to
let
the
voters
speak
and
that's
what
I
think
the
folks
in
the
evanston
voter
initiative
are
asking
this
council
to
do.
I
I
think
it's
an
opportunity
to
send
a
message,
obviously
across
not
only
illinois
but
across
the
midwest
in
our
country.
That
voting
on
issues
and
voting
period
is
something
that
is
fundamental
to
any
democracy.
Yes,.
A
And-
and
I'm
I'm
glad
that
we're
having
this
discussion
tonight,
particularly
as
was
mentioned
as
in
other
states
and
in
places
across
this
country,
folks,
are
taking
measures
to
limit
the
the
the
rights
and
the
ability
of
members
of
our
communities
to
participate
in
their
democracy,
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
take
this
opportunity
to
try
to
expand
folks's
ability
to
participate
in
our
democracy
and
not
just
vote
for
candidates,
but
actually
put
morality
on
the
ballot.
A
I
I
will
say
that
one
change
to
the
ordinance
here
that
I
you
know
I'm
interested
in
seeing
is
a
requirement
of
public
meetings
being
held
to
discuss
both
sides
of
an
issue.
I
think
that
the
city
as
a
part
of
this
should
be
obligated
to
hold
nonpartisan
non-biased
meetings
to
inform
members
of
the
public
about
initiative,
the
initiative
that
will
be
appearing
on
the
ballot.
A
I
also
believe
that
there
may
be
some
wisdom
in
limiting
the
number
of
petitions
that
can
be.
You
know.
Obviously
only
three
can
appear
on
a
ballot
at
any
point,
so
you
know
trying.
I
think
it
may
limit
itself
in
the
fact
that
folks
have
to
collect
thousands
of
signatures,
but
you
know
to
ensure
some
fairness.
That
may
be
something
we
want
to
look
at.
K
I
was
hoping
somebody
else
would
break
the
ice,
but
I
will
I'll
do
the
honors
and
initiate
some
discussion
on
this
and
start
off
by
saying
I,
who
is
against
democracy,
nobody's
against
democracy,
who
is
against
engagement,
who's
against
holding
our
government
officials
accountable
nobody's
against
that?
K
K
I
don't
think
the
voter
initiative
works
to
hold
the
city
council
more
accountable
because
it
actually
absolves
the
council
of
accountability
by
allowing
the
council
to
be
bypassed,
and
so,
as
I
said
during
the
campaign,
I
think
I,
as
a
council
member
and
and
my
colleagues
on
the
diocese
here,
should
be
focused
on
doing
the
job
of
being
responsive
to
our
constituents
being
engaged
with
our
community
and
being
responsible
and
and
accountable
to
the
entire
population
of
evanston,
not
just
the
registered
voters
of
evanston
and
not
just
the
people
who
voted
in
the
last
election.
K
K
Those
are
issues
that
I'm
passionate
about.
Those
are
issues
that
I
a
year
ago,
as
a
community
member,
was
acting
as
an
advocate
on
and
decided
to
run
for
city
council.
So
I
could
advance
the
advance
the
discussion
on
those
issues
now
that
I'm
on
city
council,
I
realize
I
knew
this
before,
but
it
has
been
driven
home
now
that
I'm
on
city
council
is
there's
not
just
one
thing
that
the
nine
people
ten,
including
the
mayor
on
this
diocese,
have
to
have
to
worry
about.
K
K
If
there
is
a
good
idea
out
there,
we
should
not
have
to
go
through
a
ballot
initiative
process
to
get
at
a
fair
hearing
at
the
civic
center,
and
I,
as
a
as
a
council
member,
will
be
committed
to
bringing
stuff
forward
when
there
is
a
group
of
folks
that
has
an
idea
worthy
of
consideration.
K
We
have
a
referrals
process
now
that
you
know
makes
it.
I
guess
we'll
talk
about
this
when
we
get
to
this
point
on
the
agenda,
but
we
do
have
a
referrals
process
that
is
in
place
to
allow
things
not
to
be.
You
know
not
to
be
held
but
allows
good
ideas
to
to
be
advanced.
K
So
I
guess
I'll
wrap
up
my
or
up
on
my
comments
there
and
say
I
I
remain
open
to
discussing
this
for
sure.
I
I
think
the
initiative
as
it's
drafted
now
is
an
improvement
on
what
it
was
a
couple
years
ago.
I'm
leaning
against
supporting
it
and
but
would
welcome
further
discussion.
I
I
You
know
bicentennial
year
and
635
158
signatures
are
gathered,
the
all-time
record
in
illinois,
because
voters
found
out
about
a
practice
and
just
reading
the
paper.
Something
kind
of
similar
happened
in
evanston.
L
Is,
mr
quinn,
I'm
sorry
this
is
council.
Member
fleming,
I
I
appreciate
the
history.
I
will
say
I'm
going
to
ask
the
chair
if
we
can
move
this
along.
This
is
not
customary
that
we
have
this
back
and
forth
and
I'm
concerned.
If
we
start
it
now,
every
time
someone
has
a
public
comment,
they're
going
to
want
back
and
forth.
We
also
have
another
meeting
and
some.
A
Items
are
keeping
track
of
time,
but
governor
clinton
is
a
witness
here
and
not
just
giving
public
comment.
I
L
I
We
need
to
get
to.
Thank
you
all
right.
Well,
the
other
thing
I
think
is
petitioning
on
an
issue
can
often
raise
attention
to
the
council
on
something
that
they
didn't
even
know
was
happening.
You
know
whether
in
chicago
we
had
to
let
go
the
head
of
the
park
district
because
he
wasn't
doing
a
very
good
job
at
protecting
lifeguards,
so
that
it
seems
to
me
that
petitioning
having
this
process
can
enliven
vote
voters,
even
if
it
never
goes
to
the
ballot.
I
M
C
I
With
the
our
local
football
team,
thinking
of
moving
to
arlington
heights,
that
could
trigger
some
sort
of.
M
Referendum
there
might
be,
there
might
be
some
resident
interest
in
that
indeed.
Well,
I
appreciate
council
member
newsma
breaking
the
ice
and
I
share
his
thoughts
about
responsive
government
and
engaged
citizens
and
our
council
members
ability
to
listen
to
our
constituents
respond
when
we
hear
from
them
that
they've
got
really
important
issues.
They
like
us
to
address
that.
I
can't
believe
we
aren't
already
addressing
with
our
mammoth
agendas,
but
I
have
to
say
so.
M
So
the
voter
sits
there
and
votes
either
yes
or
no
on
on
issues
that
are
usually
much
more
complex,
and
so
that's
why
you
know.
I
think
voters
elect
members
of
the
city
council
to
they
count
on
us
to
do
all
that.
Research
and
looking
into
the
the
issues
and
taking
the
contact,
the
broader
context
and
the
ramifications
and
and
making
you
know
as
good
an
informed
decision
as
we
can
up
here
at
the
council.
M
A
Thank
you,
council
member
bracelet,.
I
N
N
N
I
get
a
lot
of
emails
on
public
service
issues,
affordable
housing,
safety,
most
recently,
the
animal
shelter,
and
for
this
issue
I
have
a
couple
of
residents
who
are
present,
who
have
been
very
engaged
in
the
effort
very
little,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
good
gauge
of
how
our
community
feels,
but
in
an
interest
of
time
I
would
like
to
move
forward
and
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
either.
Thank
you.
A
I
will
just
say
that
this
isn't
just
about
holding
the
council
council
accountable
as
the
frame
was
started
earlier.
It
is
about
giving
voters
it's
about
enfranchising
voters,
it's
about
giving
voters
a
greater
option
in
participating
in
our
democracy.
A
It's
about
a
tool
for
providing
both
our
residents
a
tool
for
engaging
with
their
neighbors
to
talk
not
just
about
the
10
of
us
up
here
as
if
we're
special,
but
to
talk
about
issues
and
to
talk
about
things
that
members
in
our
community
care
about
and
give
them
enfranchise
them
to.
If
they
feel
that
you
know
there
is
accountability
built
into
it
if
they
feel
that
this
body
isn't
responsive
that
they
can
certainly
go
out
and
petition
and
get
an
ordinance
before
this
body
for
for
a
vote.
A
H
N
A
All
right,
so
the
proposed
amendment
is
that
a
a
a
referral
can
only
be
placed
on
the
agenda
once
it
has
been
quote.
Unquote:
green
lit
by
the
referrals
committee
correct.
H
Says
a
few
things:
one
is
that
and
another,
but
it
doesn't
say
referral.
It
says,
rather
a
proposed
public
policy
change
to
signal
the
requested
neutrality
regarding
whether
the
proposed
public
policy
change
came
from
an
elected
official
or
a
member
of
staff,
so
that
neutrality
is
then
embedded
in
this.
It
also
to
address
the
issue
we
discussed
two
weeks
ago.
H
It
puts
in
place
a
clock
to
ensure
that
an
item
that
has
been
approved
for
consideration
by
the
referral
committee
will
then
get
put
on
an
agenda
as
opposed
to
just
sort
of
going
to
to
purgatory.
K
It
does
not,
however,
put
a
clock
on
the
referrals
committee
and
give
them
any
timeline
under
which
they
have
to
consider
a
referral.
So
that's
a
limitation
on
this
particular
rule.
I
think
we've
dragged
this
one
through
the
dust
long
enough
that
I'm
willing
to
support
it
as
it's
written
now
with
some
reservations.
It's
not
a
perfect
rule,
but
process
and
and
discussion
can
only
be
regulated
to
a
certain
point.
I
think
custom
and
tradition
have
to
eventually
take
over,
and
this
is
a
new
committee
and
a
new
process.
A
All
right
any
further
discussion.
There
has
been
a
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
say
aye.
O
A
All
those
opposed,
nay,
you
guys
have
it.
J
A
L
G
A
D
I
do
believe
that
super
majorities
have
a
place
in
city
government
and
that
I
think
that
city
that
super
majorities
in
our
code
are
demonstrated
that
they
are
applied
to
significant
actions
by
the
city
council,
for
instance,
the
sale
of
real
estate,
a
text
amendment
to
our
zoning
ordinance
and-
and
I
think
the
reason
for
that
is
because
it's
these
are
significant
events
that
happen
in
the
course
of
the
city,
and
so
there
is
a
strong
sense
that
not
just
a
simple
majority,
but
that
a
super
majority
of
the
council
is
willing
to
make
that
change
and
and
recognizes
the
significance
of
it.
D
So
in
that
sense
I
am
not
in
favor
of
this,
but
I
would
say
for
a
more
important
reason.
I
do
not
believe
we
should
be
voting
on
this
now
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
city
manager,
search.
We
have
engaged
a
search
firm
and
in
fact,
members
of
that
search.
Firm,
have
advised
us
that
to
taking
this
action
now
will
be
detrimental
to
our
ability
to
recruit
the
best
candidates
for
this
search.
D
If
we
would
like
to
revisit
this
issue,
perhaps
two
years
from
now
when
we
are
not
engaged
in
a
city
manager
search,
I
would
be
happy
to
do
that,
but
I
think
that
in
the
best
entrance
of
our
finding
the
fun
the
best
candidates
in
our
city
manager
search,
I
don't
believe
we
should
move
forward
with
this
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
K
I'm
going
to
agree
with
councilmember
wynn
on
the
second
of
her
two
points:
I'm
not
opposed
to
this
in
theory
or
in
concept,
but
the
timing
is,
is
not
right
to
have
this
discussion
so
I'll,
be
voting
no
this
evening,
but
open
to
considering
this
again
at
some
point
in
the
future.
P
So
I
got,
I
received
conflicting
information
from
the
search
firm.
I
actually
heard
the
opposite,
which
is
is
is
is
concerning.
P
We
should
be
getting
the
same
information
and
the
response
that
I
got
and
not
to
say
you
didn't
receive
that
that
information
from
the
council
member
when
I,
but
I
have
the
same
question
for
them,
because
that
was
my
concern
coming
out
of
our
last
discussion
about
this
issue
and
what
I
was
told
was
that
most
places
don't
have
super
majority
for
these
decisions
and
because
of
it
it
it
would
not.
You
know,
cast
a
negative
light
on
the
process
and,
in
their
opinion,
limit
limit
the
the
quality
of
our
pool.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
going
to
stand
on
the
side
with
council
member
nguyen
and
nussma.
N
N
However,
if
you've
ever
served
for
any
committee
in
a
non-for-profit
setting
and
using
our
local
government
as
an
example,
I
think
it's
just
really
foolish
to
take
this
action
now.
I
think
our
residents,
our
staff,
our
our
community
partners,
deserve
the
best
city
manager
that
we
can
find
and
if
you,
if
somebody
just
I
we
said
this
before,
I
don't-
I
mean
embarrassed
to
talk
about
it,
because
I
don't
want
anyone
to
write
about
it.
L
Yeah,
so
I
you
know,
I
understand
people's
concerns
and
the
comments
I
will
say
again.
This
is
only
my
second
and
last
term,
my
fifth
year,
but
I
have
sat
here
repeatedly
and
comments
about
various
issues
have
been.
This
is
not
the
right
time
what
this
communicates
to
our
community
and
those
are
never
ever
things
I
hear
from
my
voters
now.
Maybe
my
voters
are
different
than
other
voters,
but
you
know
the
concern
my
voters
have
was
about
the
last
search
and
the
way
that
went
right.
L
They
weren't
they
have
never
addressed
to
me
the
timing
of
things
in
terms
of
the
way
in
which
we
speak
about
them
from
this
diet,
I
think
we'll
have
a
challenging
time
finding
people
for
this
job.
For
a
number
of
reasons.
I
don't
know
that
it's
because
of
how
many
votes
it
takes
for
them
to
be
fired.
L
You
know,
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
looking,
I'm
not
the
search
firm.
When
I
spoke
to
the
search
firm.
I
didn't
ask
this
question,
but
this
was
not
something
they
brought
up
to
me
in
terms
of
issues
we
would
have.
I
mean
they
talked
about
us.
L
So
you
know
there
probably
are
people
out
there
who
feel
like?
Oh,
they
have
five
people
versus
seven
people,
I'm
not
gonna
go
there,
but
hopefully
they
would
apply
for
this
job
thinking.
I
don't
plan
to
be
fired
right,
I
mean
any
job
you
go
to.
You
can
be
fired
for
a
number
of
reasons,
so
hopefully
they're
looking
at
this
job
wanting
to
do
a
good
job
understanding.
We
have
an
active
community
understanding
of
the
painful
process
of
our
last
city
manager,
search
and
wanting
to
do
something
different,
not
coming
here.
L
Thinking,
oh,
you
know
only
takes
five
people
to
fire
me
versus
seven
people.
So
again,
maybe
I'm
talking
to
a
different
group
of
voters,
but
never
ever
in
my
last
five
years
has
the
number
of
votes
been
an
issue
except
for
the
people
to
say
the
vote
threshold
is
too
high
and
they
feel,
like
their
elected
official,
doesn't
listen
to
them
when
it
comes
to
removing
or
hiring
a
city
manager.
So
I
will
support
this.
I
think
five
is
you
know
hard
to
get.
Five
of
us
agree
to
a
lot
of
things.
L
Hopefully
again,
the
person
sitting
in
that
chair
won't
be
intimidated
by
this.
I
think
it
makes
more
sense
to
do
this
now
before
someone
comes
in
versus
someone
who's
two
years
into
their
tenure,
and
we
make
this
change
because
then,
if
I
were
that
staff,
I
would
be
really
uneasy
about
my
time
here.
L
I
think
that's
actually
more
offensive
in
my
opinion,
and
then
my
last
point
is
just
you
know,
I
agree
with
peter
and
that
we
do
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this
council
talking
about
a
lot
of
things,
all
of
which
are
not
important
to
me
or
my
my
voters.
But
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
I
wish
we
would
have
talked
about
years
past
that
we
didn't
that
I
feel
like
could
have
helped
bring
clarity
to
this
council
and
to
our
residents
and
to
kind
of
tamper.
L
A
Thank
you
just
point
of
information.
This,
the
simple
majority
of
the
corporate
authorities
would
be
six
because
it
would
include
the
mayor's
corporation
as
one
of
the
corporate
authorities
who
could
vote
on
this.
Just
for
clarity
is
there
any
further
discussion
from
the
doctor.
O
I
think
that
a
simple
majority
is
the
best
policy,
but
I
also
am
mindful
that
our
number
one
priority
right
now
is
getting
a
city
manager
and
attracting
as
qualified
a
pool
of
applicants
as
possible.
O
I
really
think
that
the
right
candidate
would
accept
a
simple
majority
as
the
threshold
for
dismissal,
but
I
we
don't
even
have
a
pool
of
candidates,
yet
I
think
anything
that
we
do
that
diminishes
the
likelihood
of
getting
good
candidates
and
prolo
and
would
potentially
prolong
this
interim
period
is
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city.
So,
although
I
do
agree
that
simple
majority
is
the
correct
way
for
it
to
beat
the
timing
on
this,
it's
just
really
bad
and
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
for
that
reason.
G
So
I
think
that
if
we
hire
somebody
who
would
not
have
a
problem
with
it,
they
also
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
it
now
in
the
hiring
process,
and
I
think
it's
been
this
way
for
history-
it's
only
recently
that
we
changed
this
very
unusual
form.
We
have
the
super
majority
required.
I
think
it
will
have
zero
impact
on
the
hiring
and
I
think
also
to
concur
with
council.
Member
fleming.
I've
only
heard
countless
complaints,
grievances
about
the
system
that
we
currently
have
from
from
the
residents.
G
I
mean
those
ramifications
that
impact
on
our
city
of
carrying
on
with
somebody
when
you
have
a
majority
that
actually
get
to
that
point
I
mean
that's
a
that's
a
far-reaching
point
to
get
all
the
way
to
the
point
of
feeling
that
somebody
should
be
let
go
so
I
will
be
voting
in
favor.
Thank
you.
A
I
will
call
on
councilmember
burns
next,
but
I
just
do
want
to
very
quickly
chime
in
again
to
make
a
point
that
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
a
great
time
to
do
this,
and
I'm
particularly
talking
to
councilmember
sufferden,
because
I
can
count
in
the
room-
and
I
think
you
know
if
we
do
have
a
candidate
who
will
take
the
job
if
this
majority
vote
threshold
is
something
that
concerns
them.
A
I
think
it's
fair
that
the
rule
is
in
place
before
they
start,
rather
than
you
know,
fooling
them
into
thinking
that
there's
some.
If
this
is
something
that
they
really
care
about,
it's
going
to
limit
the
pool,
they
should
know
what
they're
getting
into
up
front
to
be
fair
to
whoever
the
applicant
is
and
again
this
is,
as
councilmember
burns
pointed
out.
This
is
a
standard
in
many
municipalities,
it's
not
something
out
of
the
normal.
I
think,
if
anything,
many
folks
question
the
timing
of
the
change
of
to
this
policy
happening.
A
You
know
right
after
the
appointment
of
you
know
a
controversial
appointment
of
our
last
city
manager
and
right
before
new
council
took
place.
So
I
will
and
and
we're
going
to
go
a
few
minutes
over
because
we
started
late,
so
council,
member
burns
and
councilmember
revell.
P
M
Well,
just
the
reference
to
our
having
made
that
change
recently.
What
what
happened
is
our
city
council
rules
already
said
it
would
take
a
super
majority
vote
to
terminate
the
city
manager.
What
we
did
in
2020
was
change
our
city
code
to
match
our
council
rules.
So
we
were,
we
were
updating
our
code
to
match
our
rules,
so
it
was
the
the
super
majority
vote
to
terminate
the
council
city
manager
have
been
on
our
in
our
rules
for
quite
some
time.
P
P
We
have
other
reporters
that
are
going
to
write
about
all
of
what
we've
talked
about
during
this
session
and
the
previous
one,
and
so
in
the
same
article,
where
they'll
find
out
that
the
policy
was
either
changed
now
or
not
changed
they'll
know
that
they're
it
may
be
changed
in
the
future.
So
I
think
if,
if
this
was
something
that
stayed
as
an
internal
discussion,
it
would
have
made
sense
to
say
hey.
P
This
could
really,
let's,
let's
keep
it
internal
for
now
until
we
move
beyond
the
process
and
then
discuss
it,
but
it's
out
and-
and
so
again
you
know
for
that.
I
also
don't
personally
want
to
make
anything
difficult
for.
I
me
as
a
fifth
ward
representative
now
or
the
fifth
ward
representative
in
the
future
or
the
constituents
that
that
I
serve
and
they
will
serve
to
make
it
harder
for
them
to
to
make
a
significant
change
in
government.
P
There
are
wars
in
evanston
that
that
struggle
with
different
issues
more
than
than
others,
and
I
think
because
of
that
standard
benefit
from
being
able
to
more
easily,
you
know
transform
government
in
the
way
to
ensure
that
is
serving
our
community,
and
you
know
if,
if
we
were
behind
the
ball
on
this,
you
know
I
take
a
closer
look
at
it,
but
I
think
what
we're
seeing
is
most
other
places
just
have
a
simple
majority.
P
So
I
think
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
but
but
but
but
understand
the
concerns
on
on
the
other
side
as
well.
A
Any
further
discussion,
and
then
I
will
close
and
again
just
concur
with
councilmember
burns.
I
think
the
cat
is
out
of
the
bag.
We've
had
a
number
of
members
indicate
that
they
will
support
this.
I
think
supporting
it
now
and
being
clear
and
upfront
with
both
our
community
and
the
applicants
is
important.
So
with
that
I
will
call
on
this
instance.
I
am
seeking
a
roll
call
vote
so.
K
P
A
A
On
a
oh
well,
this
is
the
problem
with
a
yes
with
a
10-member
board,
which
is
you
know.
I
have
questions
about
having
a
10
member,
an
even
numbered
committee.
The
vote
is
tied
and
we
have
no
tiebreaker.
There
is
no
mayor
in
this
case
or
some
neutral
party
to
break
the
tie.
J
A
J
If
I
can
help
because
it's
just
a
committee
vote,
it
still
go
to
city
council
with
a
neutral
recommendation
on
the
coming
from
committee
as
a
tie.
But
it
still
goes
to
city
council.
A
P
A
I
mean
the
vote
could
change
between
then
and
not,
but
I
hear
that
all
right.
Well,
we
will,
as
chair,
I
will
figure
this
out
with
staff
with
the
neutral
recommendation.
A
All
right
now,
we'll
move
one
last
item
because
of
time
and
we
started
a
bit
late
and
so
that'll
be
r3.
We
have
a
motion
to
introduce
r3.
P
L
A
Thank
you
all
right,
so
this
is
the
the
rules
of
the
council.
We've
had
some
ambiguity
about
whether
or
not
the
rules
of
the
council
apply
to
the
committees
of
the
council,
which
I
think
you
know
it's
fairly
straightforward.
A
That
is
separate
from
boards
which
are
not
subcommittees
of
the
council,
though
they
are
separate
entities
such
as
the
as
clerk.
I
used
to
serve
on
the
board
of
local
improvements,
and
you
know
that's
a
board
created
by
state
law.
A
There
are
a
few
other
boards
and
then
there
are
commissions
that
the
city
has
which
are
not
officially
sub
essentially
subcommittees
of
the
council,
and
so,
as
it
has
been
the
practice,
a
lot
of
those
committees
have
created
their
or,
I
should
say
boards
or
commissions,
have
created
their
own
rules
and
have
bylaws,
but
the
specifically
the
committees
of
council.
I
should
be
very
clearly
following
the
rules
of
council.
A
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
all
right?
Seeing
council
comings.
J
I
just
want
had
a
question
in
terms
of
direction,
so
9.10.2
says
that
each
committee
shall
adopt
guidelines
for
the
conduct
of
its
meeting
with
the
direction
then
just
to
be
to
either
strike
that
or
bend
that
I
just
sort
of
might.
When
I
take
it.
A
Or
actually
I
guess
it
would
be
in
fact,
instead
of
having
it
nine
point,
ten
point
one
just
say
in
nine
point:
ten
point
two:
the
committee,
shall
you
know,
follow
the
rules
of
the
council
and
still
allow
them
to
adopt.
You
know
any
variances
to
the
rules,
but
as
a
standard
shall
follow
the
rules
of
the
council.
So
I
guess
that
without
objection
is
the
direction
council.
Member
revel.
M
So
the
rules
do
allow
particularly
planning
and
development
to
have
a
different
role
in
terms
of
public
comment
and
oftentimes
at
p
d,
there's
engagement,
extensive
interaction
with
applicants
and
then,
if
there's
a
group
of
objectors-
and
so
I
I
would
hate
for
us
to
be
making
a
rule
that
was
going
to
put
a
crimp
in
the
style
of
planning
and
development.
But
while
we're
talking
about
that
particular
about
the
rule,
we
it
currently
says
that
a
and
pw
meets
at
six.
M
A
If
I
can,
just
as
a
point
of
information,
say
that
it
is
within
our
rules
that
it
delineates
the
amount
of
public
comment
given
for
the
standing
committees,
and
so
that
wouldn't
be
a
changing
rule
and
also
as
we
just
discussed,
this
would
still
allow
flexibility
for
committees
to
create
what
I
would
imagine
in
writing
their
own
rules.
But
by
default
they
would
follow.
The
rules
of
the
council,
which
you.
I
A
Delineate
a
number
of
items.
A
So,
for
example,
in
a
committee's
rules
around
how
you
know
a
hold-
or
you
know,
overturning
a
hold
or
those
items
would
would
then
apply
to
the
committees
and
all
of
the
rules
of
the
council
would
apply
to
the
committees.
So
there's
no
ambiguity,
apologies,
council,
member
kelly
and
then
newsma.
G
A
question
for
clarification,
so
the
idea
is
in
some
cases
the
problem
that
we're
trying
to
solve
is
that
in
some
cases,
they're
they're
lack
rules.
Is
that
what
I'm
understanding
that
sometimes
we're
lacking
in
rules
for
some
of
the
committees,
and
that
that
way?
This
would
ensure
that
we
have
rules
for
all
of
these
subcommittees
and
committees
of
council
and
standing
committees
as
well
as
sometimes
there
is
conflicting
where
a
hold
might
be
interpreted
one
way
and
different
in
other
ways.
So
the
public
could
cause
some
confusion.
G
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
First,
as
a
point
of
order,
what
is
it
exactly
we
are
being
asked
to
vote
on?
Is
there
a
red
line
in
the
the
current
rules
in
our
packet?
If
there
is
I'm
missing
it.
J
It's
not
and
that's
because
law
department
staff
was
unsure.
J
We
thought
this
item
would
be
for
discussion
when
I
prepared
the
memo
and
when
I
attached
the
rules,
I
thought
it
was
gonna,
be
a
discussion
as
to
where
to
put
this
rule.
So
that's
my
miscommunication
with
the
chair.
So
there
is
not
a
red
line
for
you
guys
to
make
that
decision.
That's
why
I
was
asking
for
direction
about
alternate
rules
so
that
I
can
take
that
direction
and
make
the
amendment
and.
A
To
as
a
point
of
order
or
not
point
of
information,
I
should
say
to
be
clear:
we're
not
talking
about
something
complicated
here,
we're
talking
about
a
sentence
that
says
the
rules
of
the
city
council
shall
apply
to
all
of
the
committees
of
the
city
council.
It's
not
some
huge
change.
It's
a
sentence,
a
council
member.
K
K
Having
said
that,
I
don't
want
to
spend
any
time
having
committees
go
through
a
painful
rule-making
process.
I
think
that
would
be
a
non-value-added
activity
and
we
have
other
things
we
need
to
spend
our
time
on.
So
I'm
going
to
oppose
this
measure.
As
I
understand
it,
I
I
will
not
object
to
the
fact
that
it's
not
clear
what
we're
voting
on.
N
A
N
G
A
Yeah
there's
been
a
number
of
instances
with
standing
committees.
You
know
even
that
you
and
I
personally
have
been
involved
with
where
it
was
unclear
about
what
the
rules
were
for.
You
know
whether
it's
holding
an
item
whether
it's
tabling
an
item,
the
rights
of
members
to
participate.
You
know
how
long
folks
have
to
speak
it.
I
think
those
rules
should
be
clear,
and
you
know
to
council
member
newsman's
point
this
wouldn't
cause
a
rule-making.
A
It
wouldn't
put
a
burden
on
our
committees
to
go
through
a
rule-making
process.
I
think
it
would
just
very
clearly
create
again
continuity
between
the
rules
of
the
council
and
the
rules
of
the
committees
of
the
council.
You'd
think
that
the
rules
of
the
council
would
apply
to
the
committees
of
the
council.
Council
number
one,
I'm
sorry
councilman
kelly,
were
you
done
speaking.
Thank.
G
D
D
I
wish
we
didn't
have
to
sit
up
here
on
the
dice
for
any
of
them.
I
wish
we
were
in
a
committee
room
for
all
of
them.
I
I
think
that
it's
important
to
have
that
ability
to
have
that
flexibility
not
be
trapped
in
rules
that
there
are
many
instances
in
which
we
have
a
resident.
Who
has
enormous
knowledge
about
something,
and
we
want
to
have
them
come
forward,
or
we
have
more
of
an
informal
discussion
on
the
council.
This
is
a
fix.
D
A
D
All
right,
I
would
just
like
to
finally
say
that
I
think
that
this
we
do
not
need
to
have
another
rule
writing
session.
We
have
spent
hours
and
hours
on
rule.
Writing
it's
unnecessary.
A
Thank
you
any
well
with
that
I'd
like
to
propose
an
amendment
that
this
would
only
apply
to
the
standing
committees
of
the
council
and
not
to
all
of
the
committees
of
the
council.
May
I
have
a
second
on
that
amendment.
The
committees
that
only
include
council
members.
P
A
Thank
you.
Can
we
is
there
any
discussion
on
that
amendment?
A
L
L
A
I
was
just
saying:
standing
okay
and
then
on
I'll.
Take
a
roll
call
on
the
actual
item.
A
O
A
K
A
All
right
the
nose
have
it,
and
then
we
will
send
item
r4
to
the
next
meeting
of
the
rules.
Committee
in
looking
at
the
time
so
may
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
N
A
Second,
we'll
take
all
all
in
favor,
aye
all
opposed
hearing
none.
The
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you.