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A
B
B
B
So
if
those
committee
meetings
continue
on
and
on
with
this
new
change
to
have
the
debilitation
excuse
me
I'm
having
trouble
with
that
word
of
the
council
staff
later
9:15,
a
lot
of
citizens
would
be
very
upset
if
they
can't
make
their
comments
concerning
things
to
the
undie
gender
through
the
meeting
right
now,
it's
pretty
well
spelled
out.
If
there's
five
citizens
making
comments
three
minutes,
each
15
minutes
total
more
than
five
minutes
each
and
no
one
more
than
45
minutes.
B
B
This
discussion
be
tabled,
considering
proposing
changing
comments
to
end
at
a
time
that
the
committee
meeting,
the
city,
money,
transfer,
money
would
not
end,
and
sadly,
at
9:15,
and
also
where
is
this
committee
right
now?
The
first
thing
with
citizens
comments
at
a
regular
council
meeting.
First,
we
have
mail
announcements,
public
announced
for
city
manager,
announcements,
communication
by
the
clerk
and
finally
public
comments.
All
these
things
are
pushing
it
back,
so
it
will
start
later
and
later,
and
maybe
we
won't
get
everything
in
by
9:15,
so
please
table
this
until
it
can
be
refined.
C
Good
evening
today,
I
just
noticed
lines
8
on
the
rules
committee
agenda,
stating
that
you
will
discuss
the
length
and
timing
of
public
comment
in
the
packet
for
the
Rules
Committee.
There
was
no
information
on
the
official
guidelines
for
the
city
of
Evanston
or
for
any
other
City
for
public
comment.
So
Ibis
leads
me
to
believe
that
limited
research
has
been
performed.
So
I
ask
that
you
only
start
the
discussion
tonight
and
not
vote
on
this
item.
C
You
already
have,
as
the
other
gentlemen
said,
you
have
rules
for
city
council
and
you
also
have
a
public
comment
guide
for
the
what
you
now
call
the
BCC
boards
commissions
and
committee.
This
is
a
great
start.
I
think
that
you
should
also
update
it
and
you
know
anchor
and
include
some
more
information,
maybe
some
information,
because
a
lot
of
people
get
confused.
I
mean,
like
you
did
tonight,
chairman
chairwoman,
rainy.
You
said
this.
A
C
For
the
the
Rules
Committee
is
this
for
the
AP
and
W
is
this
for
Planning
and
Development?
You
know
so
you
know
maybe
a
brief
description
of
what
you
know.
How
to
do.
Public
comment
would
be
great,
also
moving
public
comment
to
the
end
of
the
of
a
meeting
kind
of
seems
backwards.
If
someone
comes
to
public
comment,
they're
usually
coming
to
advocate
for
a
topic
or
a
matter,
that's
on
the
agenda.
That's
going
to
be
voted
on
that
night.
C
A
Those
are
exactly
the
things
I
want
to
discuss,
two
things:
something
works
out
perfectly
all
righty
hearing.
No
other
citizen
comments,
all
right.
So
first
item
is
number
four.
Let's
review
the
proposed
2018
City
Council
meeting
dates.
This
was
in
your
packet
I'm
sure
you
all
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
any
issues
with
any
of
the
dates.
D
Yes,
I
would
like
us
to
just
talk
about
when
we're
going
to
have
our
quarterly
discussion
about
affordable
housing.
Are
we
going
to
have
that
as
a
special
topic
for
a
special
meeting?
Are
we
going
to
do
that
as
part
of
a
regular
council
meeting,
so
we
at
the
October
30th,
affordable,
housing,
special
meeting?
We
talked
about
trying
to
have
a
our
first
sort
of
update
towards
the
end
of
January
and
we
could
either
do
it
as
part
of
our
regular
January
22nd
council
meeting.
D
E
Madam
chair
alderman
revelled
members
of
the
committee
we
had
committed
already
I
think
to
the
29th
of
January,
which
is
that
fifth
Monday,
if
you'd
like
to
codify,
if
I,
put
a
get
out
on
this
agenda
above
this
good
alleppey
great.
Otherwise,
we
would
ask
the
council
to
dissolve
special
meeting
I.
Do.
D
A
E
E
A
All
right
we're
working
on
the
sound
system,
we're
working
on
everything
and
it's
just
a
little
irritating.
So
just
let's
grin
and
bear
it
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
of
recommending
to
the
City
Council,
the
2018
City
Council
meeting
proposed
schedule
any
opposed
I.
Thank
you
very
much.
Moving
right
along
next
item
is
the.
G
A
F
F
Oops,
sorry
about
that.
Everyone
item
item
six
is
about
the
standing
rules
or
the
quorum
rules
for
standing
committees.
Right
now
that
is
set
at
four.
We
have
five
people
that
are
on
these
standing
committees.
This
resolution
is
proposing
to
comply
with
Robert's
rule
of
order,
which
would
be
a
majority
of
the
people,
need
to
be
there
so
three
out
of
the
five
members
we
need
to
be
there
and
that
would
make
Wharram
second.
A
E
Alden
Rainey
asked
that
the
committee
considered
the
current
practice
of
rules
committee
meeting
at
the
call
of
the
chair.
For
those
of
you
previously
served
on
the
council.
The
rules
committee
was
a-standing
monthly
meeting
on
the
first
Monday
of
the
month
prior
to
the
Human
Services
Committee,
a
review
of
board
committee
and
Commission
work.
A
Point
was
when
needed
to
fit
it
in
on
a
night
like
this
makes
no
sense
to
me,
I
mean
that
the
Rules
Committee
is
a
Standing
Committee
of
the
council
and
should
be
on
an
on
a
Monday
night
and
prior
to
the
human
relation.
Services
Committee
makes
perfect
sense
to
me.
If
we
don't
need
a
Rules
Committee
meeting
we
just
won't
have
one
but
to
jam
it
in
on
a
on
a
council.
Night
makes
some
sense,
and
so
I
would
move
that
we
return
to
the
same
night.
I
I
A
A
H
H
A
E
Human
Services
meets
at
7
o'clock
and
if
there's
not
a
human
survey
rules
committee
meeting,
and
then
we
go
back
to
6
o'clock
for
Human
Services,
that's
that's
what
the
what
the
rules
used
to
read
so
that
we
would
then
we
would
then
have
to
change
the
time
of
each
human
services
meeting
based
on
if
there
was
a
Rules,
Committee
meeting
or
not
yeah.
Well,.
A
Just
I
just
think
this
is
to
show
you're
amending
your
motion:
I,
don't
care
I'm,
let's,
let's
hold
this
and
give
it
some
thought:
okay,
but
I'm,
certainly
not
in
favor
of
doing
this
it
just
it
just
makes
the
Rules
Committee
so
unimportant
when
it
really
is
done
so
I'll
hold
it.
Let's
provide
discussion
of
all
Domanick
attendance
at
executive
sessions
of
boards
commissions
and
committees,
including
Board,
of
Ethics.
This.
A
This
is
a
item
I
placed
on
this
agenda
and
really
has
to
do
more
with
the
Board
of
Ethics
having
executive
sessions
and
my
concern
about.
Why
does
the
Board
of
Ethics
have
executive
sessions
and
what
what
are
they
all
about?
How
is
it
that
the
Board
of
Ethics
and
I
guess
it's
for
you
Henry?
Why
does
the
Board
of
Ethics
have
executive
sessions
and
what
allows
them
to
do
that.
A
J
J
A
Board
of
Ethics,
here's
how
this
comes
up.
The
board
of
ethics
has
been
very
active
lately
in
investigating
all
Durbin.
That's
how
this
has
come
up.
Okay
and
the
Board
of
Ethics
has
investigated
almost
every
alderman
and
currently
is
investigating
aldermen
and
I
personally
asked
to
be
allowed
to
attend
an
an
executive
session
of
the
board
of
ethics
and
I
was
told.
Absolutely
you
cannot
do
that.
An
alderman
is
not
personnel.
A
J
Councilmembers
have
a
right
to
inspect
records
of
other
committees,
I
mean
that's
under
the
city,
I
mean
that's
under
our
city
code.
Okay.
What?
If
you're
looking
at
a
standing
committee
committee,
that's
looking
at
issues
of
fairness
and
partiality?
There
could
be
the
argument
that
having
an
alderman
there
could
potentially
influence
the
discussion
for
a
citizen
committee.
So
I
think
it's.
We
would
determine
that.
It
would
be
based
on
the
actual
committee
in
and
of
itself
to
make
the
determination
as
to
those
rules
if
that
Board
of
Ethics,
my
understanding
has
its
own
rules.
J
That's
one
of
those
committees
that
has
its
own
rules,
written
up
and
determined.
So
looking
at
their
rules
and
looking
at
their
determination,
it
would
seem
consistent
with
that
that
they
can
make
the
determination
to
bar
you
now,
if
it's
a
public
meeting.
Obviously
they
cannot.
If
you
wanted
to
review
records
of
like
the
same
thing
that
the
board
has
reviewed.
You
have
the
right
to
do
that
under
the
city
code,
but
to
be
present
at
the
meeting.
J
A
J
I
I
H
And
there's
there's
a
list
of
the
same
thing:
when
we
go
into
executive
session,
I
read
the
motion
and
I
have
to
identify
the
specific
basis
under
the
code,
so
presumably
that
body
or
any
other
board
or
Commission
would
have
to
identify
the
specific
basis
under
the
code
and
it
you
know,
say:
okay,
here's
why
we're
going
into
executive
session,
so
that
should
be
done.
I
wasn't
at
the
last
video.
A
J
Now,
I,
don't
know
what
was
told
to
you
at
the
time
or
what
was
done
at
that
Board
of
Ethics
I
mean
I
cannot
speak
as
to
what
took
place
at
that
time,
but
if
they
make
the,
if
they
make
the
motion
consistent
with
what
you
all
have
done,
with
making
motions
to
go
into
closed
section
and
the
arm
session,
and
if
it's
one
of
the
exceptions
determined
under
the
open
meaning
exact,
then
that
would
be
consistent
with
with
the
same.
But.
A
That,
but
that
the
people
we
have
placed
on
the
ethics
committee
could
not
be
fair,
given
the
presence
of
an
alderman,
that's
pretty
feeble.
We
need
to
reconsider
who
we
put
on
the
board
of
ethics.
I
mean
that
that
is
pretty
feeble,
I
I
just
I,
don't
believe
that
those
people
look
like
they're,
very
strong
and
very
committed
to
their
job,
and
that
that
seems
like
not
a
good
reason,
agree.
J
A
Well,
I
think,
given
that
this
is
on
the
agenda
and
I,
ask
that
it
be
placed
here.
I
would
like
a
really
good
opinion
on
on
those
reasons
and
and
why
an
alderman
cannot
be
present
at
at
in
executive
sessions.
The
one
time
there
was
a
ruling
that
an
alderman
could
be
present
in
any
executive
session
of
any
city
business
of
any
border
commission.
A
A
A
But
my
arguments
are
my
arguments
are
that
thirty
seconds
is
absolutely
meaningless
to
the
council.
It
means
nothing
to
hear
somebody
speak
for
thirty
seconds.
It
also
is
absolutely
meaningless
to
have
40
people
speak
at
Planning
and
Development
have
those
same
40
people
come
and
speak
at
the
City
Council
meeting
and
say
exactly
the
same
thing.
So
the
reason
you
get
30
seconds
at
the
council
meeting
is
because
you're
defeating
your
own
purpose
of
just
piling
on
the
same
thing.
A
This
council
is
never
allowed
to
talk
to
one
another
as
a
group
until
after
you
all
are
quiet
and
that's
at
11
o'clock
at
night.
Sometimes
when
there
are
development
issues,
it
it
absolutely
defeats
and
flies
in
the
face
of
reasonable
debate.
We
can't
we
can't
have
a
debate
about
things.
Sometimes
I
hear
criticism.
The
council
didn't
even
discuss
it.
They
just
voted.
Yes,
they
just
voted.
Yes,
it
was
on
the
consent
agenda.
That's
because
there
there's
time
it.
A
Yes,
you
everybody's
important,
but
we're
the
ones
that
you
I
mean
the
viciousness
and
the
hatred
that
was
spewed
after
the
last
development
was
approved,
was
beyond
the
pale
and
we
didn't
really
get
to
to
tell
why
we
voted
the
way
we
voted
and
the
reason
was.
It
was
too
late
and
the
debate
of
the
the
residents
went
on
so
long.
A
We
just
we
just
couldn't
do
it,
so
if
only
we
could
have
talked,
if
only
we
could
have
had
a
couple
of
nights
where
maybe
citizen
comment
didn't
even
happen
and
you
could
have
had
council
comment.
Imagine
what
an
interesting
concept
council
comment
and
I
know
that
the
mayor
has
struggles
with
this
and
they
tried
to
fix
it
one
night
and
it
just
didn't
work.
So
that's
I,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
the
answer
is,
maybe
just
to
continue
like
we're
doing.
A
K
A
K
It
possible
to
do
public
comment
related
to
agenda
my
agenda
items
under
the
same
rules
that
we
have
now
on
the
front
end
total
of
45
minutes
and
then
I
guess
freestyle
whatever
you
want
to
talk
about.
If
you
want
to
stick
around
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
do
it
after
call
the
wards,
we
could
do
it
that
way.
One
thing
that
mr.
K
Klein
said,
which
I
respectfully
disagree
with
a
little
bit,
is
that
people
have
the
opportunity
to
come,
make
public
comment
and
leave
we're
here
for
the
duration
either
way
so
I
feel
like.
If
we
had
the
non-agenda
item
public
comment
after
the
meeting,
people
would
still
have
an
opportunity
to
be
heard,
or
they
could
come
back
when
it
is
on
the
agenda.
G
I
would
I
would
appreciate
that
if
we
moved
the
proclamations
and
so
on
and
so
forth
to
one
set
night.
The
third
meeting
I
think
public
comment
again,
as
everyone
said
at
the
beginning,
makes
more
sense.
I
do
think
that
there
is
something
to
Ottoman
Rainey's
point
in
terms
of
if
you
come
for
P
and
D
or
whatever,
and
you
make
your
you
make
your
comment
and
then
you
come
at
City
Council
and
make
your
comment.
G
That's
you
know
within
your
right
to
do,
but
you
just
have
to
understand
that
it
could
be
shorter
because
there
might
be
people
who
want
to
speak
to
something
that's
only
at
City
Council,
and
so
they
didn't
speak
at
P
and
D,
and
so
I
do
think
that
moving
forward
I
appreciate
everyone
who
has
come
out
to
speak,
but
if
particularly
kind
of
groups
that
are
advocating
for
the
same
things,
it
might
be
beneficial
for
you
all
to
kind
of
structure.
Your
comments
a
little
bit
better.
G
So
we
can
hear
more
of
what
you
have
to
say
versus
hearing
30
seconds
from
20
people.
We
we
kind
of
can
get
the
gist
now
of
who's
together.
You
had
you
come
with
your
signs.
You
know
we
can
read
all
that,
so
it
might
even
just
benefit
you
if
you
have
some
main
points
to
make
to
work
together
to
make
those
points
instead
of
making
little
sound
bites,
but
I
would
love
to
have
those
special,
those
kind
of
stand
alone.
A
L
Fisk,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Well,
everyone
has
a
right
to
come
and
speak
I
mean
that's.
That's
you
know.
The
bedrock
of
our
democracy
is
that
folks
can
come
and
stand
here
at
the
microphone
and
tell
us
what
they
think
about
us
and
what
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
the
votes
that
we're
going
to
be
taking
that
night
and
it
does
cause
a
problem,
though,
when
there
are
a
couple
hundred
people
out
there.
L
Everyone's
saying
the
same
thing
but
I'm
going
to
defend
their
right
to
stand
up
at
the
microphone
and
say
that
so
I'm
going
to
throw
something
else
out
when
we
have
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
third
pushing
everything
to
the
third
meeting.
If
we
don't
have
anything
else
on
that
meeting,
maybe
we
just
do
proclamations
and
and
go
home
I
mean
that
seems
almost
to
be
a
waste
of
waste
of
time.
L
So
I'd
like
you
to
think
about
what,
if
we
came
on
Saturday
morning
at
nine
o'clock
and
did
public
comment
on
Saturday
morning
and
nope?
Well,
let
me
just
say
this
and
did
no
public
comments
on
Monday
night
before
council,
but
started
council
at
a
at
a
specific
time,
for
example
8
o'clock.
So
we
start
our
business
at
8
o'clock,
everybody's
laughing.
A
L
A
H
I
value,
my
sleep,
I
think
just
as
much
as
everybody
else
does,
but
a
couple
of
observations.
We
all
recognize
a
thoughtful
comment
when
it
comes
before
us
and
we
I
think
we
all
appreciate
those
and
we
all
recognize,
not
thoughtful
comments
as
well,
and
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
because
of
the
not
thoughtful
commentary
to
in
any
way
tutor.
Somebody
who
is
coming,
whether
it's
for
an
agenda
item
or
not.
You
know
we
get
from
time
to
time.
H
A
H
Even
close
to
three
minutes
but
I
think
that's
where
we've
kind
of
run
into
some
problems
lately
is
the
committee's
ended
up
taking
an
extraordinary
amount
of
time,
so
it
may
be
entertaining
the
idea
of
setting
some
parameters
on
the
committee's.
As
far
as
the
public
comment,
you
know
the
total
time
window.
That
might
be
something
they
can
kind
of
get
us
into
that
council
window
a
little
sooner.
H
You
know
if
you're
in
the
public-
and
you
want
to
hear
what
we're
talking
about
two
things.
You
know
don't
hijack
too
much
of
the
time
if
you're
not
saying
something
thoughtful
and
the
other
thing
is
stick
around
and
make
sure
you
listen
to
what
we're
what
we're
discussing
you
know.
We
all
see.
There
are
plenty
of
occasions
where
we'll
have
dozens
and
dozens
of
people
here
to
come
and
speak
and
they
leave
and
I
recognize.
H
You
know
they
might
have
places
to
go,
but
I
hope
that
they're
going
home
and
they're
following
up
in
there
they're
watching
the
videos
and
seeing
what
gets
set
because
as
much
as
our
local
press
does
cover
things
you
know,
they've
got.
You
know
a
couple
inches
of
text
and
we
might
talk
about
something
for
twenty
minutes
or
half
an
hour
and
that
just
doesn't
get
captured
so
I
think
it's
important
to
if
you
care
about
something
you
actually
have
to
inform
yourself.
Instead
of
just
you
know,
looking
at
the
Facebook
page.
F
Else,
oh
say
a
couple
of
things.
You
know:
I
think
that
as
we're
running
public
home
and
I
have
been
for
the
last
seven
months
that
people
are
pretty
respectful
of
whatever
the
divided
time
become
becomes
that
one
meeting
where
eighty
one
people
spoke
and
they
each
got
thirty
seconds.
I
think
we
probably
averaged
about
45
seconds,
but
I
personally
feel
that
even
with
the
you
know,
from
30
seconds,
45
say
on
average
that
people
took
they
were
able
to
get
their
point
of
view
across,
even
though
it
was
a
short
period
of
time.
F
I
do
get
concerned
as
sort
of
the
presider
of
this
that
you
know
it's
10
o'clock
at
night
or
it's
11
o'clock
at
night
before
we
are
getting
to
deliberations
of
this
council-
and
this
is
your
elected
body
here
in
Evanston-
to
represent
everyone
and
I
think
it
is
important
that
this
group
of
people
have
the
opportunity
to
really
have
some
time
and
articulate
their
thoughts
on
different
issues
that
are
before
this
council.
So
I
think
that
I'm
not
I
wasn't
laughing
alderman
Fisk
at
your
at
your
at
your
suggestion.
F
You
know-
maybe
it's
you
know
Saturday
morning
doesn't
work
for
people.
Maybe
it's
a
video
tape
thing.
Maybe
it's!
You
know.
We
accept
videotaped
comments
that
become
you
know,
public
public
comments,
or
maybe
it's.
You
know
me
sitting
up
here
for
three
hours
some
day
and
during
the
day
week
day
and
people
can
come
here
and
they
can
present
and
it's
on
TV
for
anyone
to
to
see,
and
you
know,
and
we
have
rules
and
people
can
come
forward.
F
I
don't
know,
you'd
have
to
go
to
the
attorneys
to
find
out
whether
if
you
did
something
like
that,
we
could
then
preclude
or
not
have
public
comment
at
the
actual
public
meeting,
because
I
think
the
way
the
rules
work
is.
Whenever
you
have
a
public
meeting,
you
have
to
have
some
time
for
public
comment.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
conversation
for
us
to
have
and
I
hope
that
folks
are
paying
attention
to
it,
and
Salomon
fits
the
reason
that
I
sort
of
shrugged
my
shoulders
of
that
idea.
For
some
of
us
who
sit
behind
the
dais
and
we
all
do
the
same
thing.
I
just
want
to
remind
the
public
that
some
of
us
hold
monthly
board
meetings
which
are
opportunities
to
speak
on
agenda
items.
Some
of
us
hold
neighborhood
and
block
club
meetings.
I
I'm
pushing
it
to
the
max,
so
I
think
that
people
should
keep
that
in
mind
and
we
all
get
folks
who
come
from
different
Ward's
to
our
board
meetings
as
well,
depending
on
what
the
end
of
the
agenda
item
is
so,
but
I,
just
I
thought
it
was
important
to
share
that,
especially
to
the
mayor
and
I'm,
a
little
bit
concerned
about
how
we
would
go
about
carving
out
time
for
our
whole
group
to
come
together
for
citizens
comments.
So
I
just
wanted
to
explain
that
to
you.
Yeah.
A
If
I
couldn't
get
any
interest
in
having
a
meeting
before
another
meeting
to
have
people
come
out
on
a
whole
different
day,
it
seems
a
little
difficult
right.
So
all
right
so
I
think
the
conversation
has
been
started.
I
think
it's
an
important
thing
to
have,
because
it
it
seems
that
what
we've
got
going
on
right
now,
a
little
it's
mostly
not
working
on
given
some
of
the
issues
that
we
have
coming
up
and
that
we've
just
been
through
so.
D
I
gathered
that
we're
going
to
be
continuing
this
conversation
and
then
perhaps
in
the
meantime,
though,
we
could
take
a
look
at
the
rules
for
public
comment
at
our
various
committee
meetings
and
see
whether
there's
a
an
opportunity
there
to.
If
we
don't
already
have
some
kind
of
a
time
limit,
there
make
sure
that
we
have
one
in
an
effort
to
get
through
those
committee
meetings
in
a
more
timely
fashion.
Well,
I
know
administration.
A
Mean
we
spend
a
lot
of
money
we
probably
should
but
doesn't
seem
that
we
have
a
lot
of
angry
people
coming
and
talking
to
us
or
even
happy
people
all
right,
so
alder
manic
referral,
which
was
mine
regarding
moratorium
on
owner-occupied
vacation
rentals.
There
was
some
interest
on
that
I
think.
Maybe
we
should
just
refer
it
to
administration.
Public
Works!
Is
that
where
it
should
go
or
should
it
go
to
Pandy
Pandy,
it
should
go
to
PMD
church'.
A
Discuss
it
yeah
discuss
it
yeah
because
I
think
there's
all
sorts
of
levels
of
this
there's
many
pros
and
many
cons
on
both
sides
I
just
liked
your
discussion.
Okay,
all
righty
any
any
other
business,
and
anybody
wants
to
talk
about
any
items.
They'd
like
to
see
on
a
next
Rules
Committee
meeting,
no
I
move
to
adjourn
yep.
Could
we
start
our
council
meeting
like
a
quarter
past,
because
you've
been
sitting
here
since
6:00
yep?