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A
All
right,
thank
you.
All.
Our
next
item
is
public
comment.
Do
we
have
someone
signed
up
for
public
comment?
Two
people.
E
A
F
F
F
A
G
Chair
when
she's
just
joining
me
right
now,
all
right.
H
Oh
hi,
sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
make
comment
that
this
meeting
was
not
posted
properly.
It
was
hard
to
find
it
because
last
night
I
went
online
and
it
didn't
have
any
meetings
listed
for
today
for
rules
and
then
someone
else
told
me
there
is
a
rules
meeting
and
then
I
went
up
today
and
they
looked
at
it
and
it
had
been
changed
to
there,
where
you
could
actually
see
that
there
was
an
agenda,
but
then
I
couldn't
get
through.
So
it's
a
little
complicated.
H
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
we
can
get
that
the
a
council
members
owns
or
is
the
initiator
behind
a
staff
recommendation
so
that
we
don't
waste
staff
time
on
things
that
no
council
members
are
are
taking.
I
think
I'm
on
here
twice.
I
don't
know,
oh
sorry,
so,
for
example,
the
northwestern
that
came
out
as
a
staff
recommendation,
in
spite
of
so
much
against
our
municipal
code
and
yet
the
our
alderman,
I
don't
think,
was
aware
of
it.
H
She
was
out
of
town,
and
no
one
in
the
community
of
the
residents
had
were
aware
of
it.
Her
had
been
consulted,
so
I
think
in
good
practice,
when
we
are
doing
a
staff
recommendation,
it
would
be
nice
to
know
that
we're
not
going
to
waste
both
the
alderman
staff
or
resident
time
on
something
that
maybe
no
one
supports.
H
That
was
one
thing.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
was
that
on
the
committee
meetings,
I
know
we've
limited
time
to
two
minutes
years
ago.
There
used
to
be
a
little
bit
more
time
where
the
committee
meetings
were
much
more
friendly
and
a
little
give
and
take
so
the
residents
could
exchange
ideas
with
the
council
and
with
the
staff
on
those
meetings
to
answer
questions,
so
I
hope
we
can
get
back
to
that
being
a
form
of
communication
with
our
city
from
our
residents.
Thank
you
so
much,
I
believe.
That's
all.
A
A
Well,
I'll
I'll,
take
it
back
for
a
moment
so,
as
everyone
remembers,
and
to
for
the
public's
knowledge.
Two
weeks
ago,
we
met
as
a
rules
committee
and
our
agenda
was
very
full,
so
we
decided
to
come
back
tonight
to
work
on
the
next
portion
of
the
rules
that
have
been
proposed.
The
changes
that
have
been
proposed
and
then
we
will
have
a
rules
committing
on
july
7th
to
what
we
hope
is
complete.
All
of
the
changes
that
have
been
to
discuss
all
of
the
and
complete
all
of
the
changes
that
have
been
proposed.
A
So
for
tonight
we
are
discussing,
as
I
said,
the
city,
council,
rules
and
organization
revisions,
and
we
have
those
in
our
packet
in
a
redlined
draft,
and
I
am
opening
the
floor
for
anyone
to
discuss
them.
I
believe
we
got
to
someone
will
correct
me.
I
believe
section
9.
A
And
so
yes,
so
the
next
item
I'll
just
raise
it.
The
the
next
item
that
we
have
to
discuss
is
if
we
all
can
follow
to
page
14..
We
have
a
light:
okay,
page
14
of
our
packet,
which
is
discusses
9.2,
which
discusses
adding
a
standing
company
committee
called
the
references
committee.
A
So
that
is
where
we
are
now
to
discuss
that
item
council,
member
reed
and
then
council
member
rebel.
I
A
So
the
first
so
the
first
item
of
the
first
set
of
rules.
That
is
also
redlined,
that
that
incorporates
all
of
the
changes
that
we
made
at
the
june
two
weeks
ago.
Meeting
correct
june
7th
meeting
okay,
and
so
we
can
see
the
the
original
red
line
draft
that
we
were
working
on
that
night,
which
is
then
in
the
packet
as
well.
A
The
packet
that
that
I'm
using
is
has
152
pages
in
it.
J
And
also
chair
when
to
clear
up
any
confusion.
There
are
three
versions
of
the
book
in
the
packet.
The
first
30-something
pages
that
councilman
reed
has
is
the
updated
redline
version
that
I'm
bringing
to
you
tonight.
The
second
version
was
what
was
adopted
in
december.
No
red
line
changes
at
all,
and
then
the
last
version
is
what
we
brought
june
7th.
K
A
So
if
you,
if
you
click
onto
if
you're
under
r1,
if
you
click
on
the
first
item
on
r1
under
r1,
which
reads.
A
A
Yeah,
it
is
the
first
line.
There
are
three
attachments
there:
city,
council,
rules
and
organization,
revisions,
621
pdf
and
then
discussion
of
the
rules
and
organization
of
the
city
of
evanston
and
then
published
december
15
2020,
the
attachment
of
the
rules
that,
from
december
of
2020.
G
G
A
Okay,
thank
you,
okay,
so
getting
to
9.2,
which
is
the
creation
of
the
references
committee.
A
There
is
an
addition
to
9.2
several
editions
to
9.2,
which
increased
the
number
of
standing
committees
from
four
to
five,
adding
the
name
of
the
reference
committee
and
then
describing
it,
which
is
the
reference
committee.
References
committee
shall
establish
a
regular
bi-monthly
meeting
schedule
and
may
meet
and
convene
additionally,
as.
M
A
A
A
A
A
So
we
have
these
proposed
changes
for
the
references
committee.
Would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
about
those
changes
there
and
and
then
on
to
9.3.
A
K
A
Yes,
so
with
respect
to
the
changes
that
were
just
moved
and
seconded
for
9.2,
we
do
need
to
take
a
vote,
but
council
member
kelly,
would
you
like
to
you
have
the
floor?
No,
I'm
sorry,
oh
okay,
so
miss
branson
would.
O
O
Right
but
but
I
just
because
part
of
9.2
not
only
describes
what
are
the
standing
committees,
but
then
there's
also
a
description
of
one
committee
within
that.
So
I
feel
like
that
should
be
where
it
says
that
the
reference
committee
shall
establish
regular
bi-monthly
meetings.
O
A
Well
earlier
in
9.2,
you
can
see
that
I
see
what
your
point
is,
but
it
is
9.2.
A
O
So
it
seems
to
me
that
we
should
first
then
discuss
nine
point:
the
reference
committee
first,
for
example,
because
I'd
like
it
I'd
like
it
to
meet
more
often
than.
A
K
O
But
yeah
I'm
a
little
a
little
bit
confused
about
how
we
go
about
this.
So
I
I
I
would
like.
I
feel
the
reference
committee
should
meet
weekly
so
that
we
don't
slow
down
the
progress
of
making
referrals.
But
I
don't
understand
if
that
would
really
be
discussed
here.
H
M
I
was,
it
was
just
more
clarification,
so
we're
already
doing
it
bi-monthly,
which
is
twice,
but
then
you
have
the
ability
to
convene
additional
as
needed,
so
it
you
know
for
something:
that's
brand
new
twice
a
month
with
references
probably
is
a
decent
drum
beat,
and
if,
for
whatever
reason
you
need
to
meet
on
a
weekly
basis,
then
it
it
provides
that
provision
in
the
red
line.
M
I
don't,
I
don't
think
we
do
anything
weekly,
so
I'd
be
curious.
Well,.
O
We
do
do
ref.
Currently
we
do
referrals
on
a
weekly
basis.
I
would
say:
there's
some
referral
always
happening
every
week,
and
so
you
know
I
right
now.
I
can
pick
up
the
phone.
I
can
talk
to
city
manager,
storyline
and
regarding
a
reference
or
a
referral,
and
so
I
would
like
to.
I
feel
that
it's
very
important
in
order
not
to
slow
down
the
process,
that,
if
we're
going
to
move
to
form
a
committee
of
such
for
referrals,
that
this
committee
meets
deeply.
A
All
right
all
council,
member
revell.
L
Well,
since
the
city
council
itself
and
the
standing
committees,
except
for
human
services,
meet
roughly
bi-monthly,
I
would
think
that
the
ref
references
committee
meeting
by
bi-monthly
would
would
fall
into
a
sequence
with
the
city,
council
and
standing
committee
schedule.
So
I
and
then
you
know
if
something
really
urgent
comes
up,
there's
an
opportunity
opportunity
to
meet.
In
addition,.
A
Thank
you,
council
member
reid,.
I
In
response
that
my
understanding
is,
council
tends
to
meet
about
three
times
a
month.
Am
I
wrong
on
that.
L
Well,
the
third:
when
we
meet
a
third
time,
it's
usually
for
us
some
kind
of
special
presentation,
so
it
would
be
probably
not
the
kind
of
meeting
where
we
would
have
where
we'd
be
discussing.
One
of
these
refer
referred.
O
Member
kelly,
so
referrals
are,
would
be
made
not
I
mean
also
to
committees
which
we
have
committees
and
council
meetings
every
week
and
I
think,
even
though
the
other
committees
meet
once
a
month
or
once
every
two
weeks,
the
nature.
We
have
to
look
at
the
nature
of
this
committee
and
the
impact
of
this
committee,
and
so
that's
why.
I
really
think
it's
important
that
this
committee
meet
every
week.
C
So
I
I
do
get
the
meeting
weekly.
I
think
my
I
guess.
What
will
we
do
if
we
don't
have
any
referrals
to
go
over
that
week
or
do
we
want
to
bring
a
committee
together?
If
there's
only
two
referrals
I
mean,
I
think
I
I
understand
the
weekly
just
so
we
don't.
You
know,
come
every
two
weeks
and
we
have
like
10
referrals
to
deal
with,
but
I
guess
I'm
thinking
through
what
what
then
do
we
do?
C
J
C
C
I
understand
the
weekly
because
I
don't
want
to
have
a
bottleneck
of
referrals
either,
but
I
don't
want
to
over
commit
and
then
we
end
up
canceling
say
we
end
up
canceling
twice
a
month
because
we
don't
have
referrals
or
it's
not
worth
bringing
the
committee
together
for
one
referral.
Yep.
Does
that
make
sense.
A
I
think
another
point
to
make
is
the
issue
of
quorum,
because
if
you're
meeting
every
week
there's
a
potential
that
you
might
not
have
quorum-
and
you
know
there's
a
commitment
on
the
part
of
everyone-
who's
agreeing
to
be
part
of
the
committee.
But
nevertheless
it's
that's
a
possibility
and
then
you
have.
Then
you
have
a
problem.
C
C
I
guess
I
just
get
worried
if
we
set
this
up
and
then
we
end
up
canceling
a
lot
that
people
start
feeling
like
it's
not
working
or
you
know,
I
don't
want
the
residents
to
get
skeptical
of
something
new
if
it
ends
up
canceling
a
lot
just
because
we
don't
have
enough
referrals
to
manage.
But
again
I
don't.
I
don't
know
what
the
floor
of
referrals
is
going
to
be.
C
A
I
think
that's
a
very
good
point.
Let's
see
I
have
aldermen
council
member
reed
and
council
member
kelly
again.
I
I
just
want
to
note
that
this
committee
will
be
dealing
with
referrals
from
staff
as
well,
and
so,
if
you
think
about
an
average
council
agenda
or
everything,
that's
going
even
to
a
committee
is
running
through
this
referrals
committee.
So
every
thing
that's
going
to
appear
on
agenda
will
go
through
the
referrals
committee
and
I
can
imagine
that's
quite
a
load.
I
mean
just
thinking
about
the
packets
that
I
receive
going
into
a
a
monday
night,
where
you
have
two
committee
meetings
in
council.
A
Well,
I
I'm
gonna,
I
I
have
a
comment
to
make
later
on
when
we
get
to
that
language
about
staff
references,
but
I
think
we
should
just
stick
to
the
scheduling
right
now
so
council,
member
kelly
and
then
I
think
we
should
take
a
vote
unless
council
member
braithwaite,
you
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
speak.
Would
you
like
to.
O
Councilmember
kelly,
so
I
wonder
if
we
couldn't
initially,
I
am
just
very
concerned
about
the
impact
that
this
will
have
in
terms
of
slowing
down
progress,
and
I
wonder
if
we
shouldn't
you
know,
I
can
agree
to
that,
but
maybe
start
out
initially
every
week
for
one
month
just
to
get
to
make
sure
everything's.
You
know
running
smoothly
and
then
move
to
bi-monthly.
C
And
again,
I
support
that.
I
don't
do
we
if
we
start
that
way
and
then
move
back
to
bi-monthly.
We
have
to
come
back
and
change
the
rules
right.
So
if
we,
if
we
start
this
way
and
then
the
committee
decides
hey,
we
need
to
meet
weekly
to
you,
know
kind
of
get
our
footing.
That
still
would
be
noticed
as
a
public
meeting,
but
it
wouldn't
then
make
us
have
to
come
back
and
change
the
rule.
K
B
Just
a
quick,
I
mean
one
one
way
to
do
that
is
to
to
keep
the
language,
as
is
you
know,
I'm
happy
to
commit
to
meet
weekly
for
the
first
month,
which
is
certainly
allowable
under
the
draft.
As
it's
written.
A
I
I
would
agree
with
council
member
fleming
and
and
mayor
bis
on
this.
A
I
the
option
is
available
and
I
think
we,
since
this
is
a
new
committee,
we
need
to
see
what
the
flow
of
work
is
like
and
I
will
say
my
experience:
is
the
public
definitely
notices
when
meetings
are
cancelled
and
they
they
want
to
know
why
and
it
might
be,
then
we'd
have
to
provide
an
explanation,
whereas
if
you
want
to
add
a
meeting,
the
the
reason
for
adding
a
meeting
is
right
there
there
it's
right
on
the
agenda,
that's
why
we
need
a
meeting,
so
I
I
think
we
should
leave
the
language
as
it
is.
A
H
A
Motion
carries
next.
We
have
the
yes
councilmember
kelly.
A
Why
don't
we
finish
this
section
and
then
we'll
go
back?
Okay?
Okay,
so
just
we
need
to
make
sure
everything
lines
up
correctly.
9.3
is
rules,
rules,
committee,
9,
aldermen,
excuse
me
older
persons
and
the
mayor.
The
jurisdiction
of
this
committee
shall
be
as
follows,
and
subsection
f
has
been
modified
to
include
the
language
other
than
the
references
committee
and
subsection
h
has
been.
A
Amended
to
read,
I'm
not
sure,
oh
the
words,
counsel
and
individual
alder
person
or
the
mayor
have
been
stricken
and
the
words
references
committee
have
been
has
been
added.
A
M
A
D
G
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
speak
to
9.38
the
proposed
change
to
strike
individual
alder
person,
mayor
or
or
council,
as
referrers
to
the
rules
committee.
Do
such
referrals
have
to
now
come
under
this
proposal.
G
Such
referrals
to
the
rules
committee
would
have
to
come
from
the
reference
committee
and
an
individual
alderman
could
not
make
a
reform
referral
to
the
rules
committee.
That's
a
good
question.
I
think
we
would
like
to
reserve
that
power
as
individual
alderman
to
make
a
reference
to
the
rules
committee.
A
Would
counsel
mayor
bis,
I'm.
A
B
G
If
one
of
the
council
members
who
should
have
a
suggestion
to
amend
the
rules,
I'm
questioning
whether
that
would
have
to
go
through
the
reference
committee,
or
could
we
go
straight
to
the
rules
committee
with
that
I
would
tend
to
think
that
going
straight
to
the
rules
committee.
That
would
be
something
that
I
would
prefer
to
do.
B
G
Rules
committee
is
internal
focused
not
on
public
policy,
but
on
internal
policy,
and
you
know
having
a
more
direct
voice
in
that
discussion
would
seem
to
me
to
be
appropriate.
A
Okay,
councilmember
reed.
I
I
I
just
want
to
echo
what
mayor
bis
was
thinking.
That
was
my
thought.
I
I
would
like
to
see
references
ago
before
any
committee.
I
think
the
rules
committee
does
deal
with
matters
that
don't
just
affect
this
body
but
affect
the
the
public.
I
mean
we've
seen
matters
relating
to
the
clerk's
office
move
through
rules.
I
Matters
are
linked
to
foia
relating
to
oma
relating
to
elections,
moved
through
the
rules
committee,
and
so
the
rules
committee
deals
with
matters
that
are
just
as
important
to
the
public
as
any
other
committee
and
maybe
in
a
sense
because
it
kind
of
governs
the
way
we
do
everything
else.
It's
it's
it's
of
some
of
the
utmost
importance
of
of
how
we.
So
I
think
it
makes
sense
that
either
we
go
all
in
or
we
go,
not
all
in
so
yeah.
That's
it.
K
A
D
K
J
I
I
think
mayor
best
made
a
substitute
motion
that
was
sex
seconded
by
jonathan
viraldo
menusma.
Thank.
J
A
Right
on
to
references
committee,
let
me
just
read
it
in
council
member
kelly
and
then
I'll
I'll
call
on
you.
This
is
references
committee.
A
So
this
we
have
parents
mayor
who
serves
as
chair,
which
is
added
in
and
two
older
persons.
A
A
Second,
all
right,
so
now
we
have
discussion
council,
member
kelly.
O
I'm
sorry
I
had
a
a
comment
on
9.4.
I
didn't
understand
that
we
were
going
to
skip
over
those.
A
I
It's
so
just
for
clarity
for
myself
and
the
public.
How
will
this
committee
be?
How
will
the
two
members
of
this
committee
be
selected.
I
C
Got
it
yeah,
you're
right?
Okay,
then
we
need
to
add
in
I'm
sorry
you
didn't
call
on
me.
Are
you
calling
a
go
ahead
customer
for
me
now
that
he
brought
up
never
mind,
I'm
confused?
Okay?
So
I
I
would
say
that,
since
this
is
a
committee
that
we
just
talked
about
impacts
all
of
us,
we
could
you
know
either
nominate
people.
C
So
you
know
we.
If
you
want
to
be
on
the
committee,
if
you
want
to
serve
on
the
committee,
then
we
could
do
a
vote
of
the
rules.
Committee
seems
like
a
fair
enough
way.
So
then
we
could
also
potentially
do
a
rotation,
but
everyone
might
not
want
to
serve
on
it.
We
had
that
discussion
lesson
about
the
budget
and
finance
committee,
so
you
know,
does
it
make
sense
to
add
to
somebody
who
doesn't
want
to
be
on
the
committee?
I
C
A
Mayor
miss
I'll
call
on
you
to
respond,
but
I
also
have
council,
member
braithwaite
and
councilmember
kelly
councilmember
raithwaite.
Would
you
haven't
spoken
yet?
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
this.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
I'm
having
some
concerns
and
questions
about
the
language
of
this
committee,
choosing
what's
for
discussion,
introduction
and
also
action
and
introduction,
not
so
much
the
discussion
we're
familiar
with
that.
M
M
For
a
body
who's
concerned
with
transparency
and
good
government,
the
introduction
in
action,
if
we've
seen
in
the
past
in
just
two
months,
it
gets
to
be
a
bit
problematic.
Typically,
when
the
normal
progression
could
be
discussion,
community
ward
meeting,
followed
by
an
introduction
and
then
an
action
and
if,
for
whatever
reason,
we're
fast-tracking
it
outside
of
the
ones
that
I'm
normally
familiar
with,
which
are
liquor
which
are
tied
to
a
business,
that's
either
opening
or
transitioning
out.
M
I'm
not
going
to
cite
you
know
things
in
the
past,
but
that
right
there.
I.
I
would
think
that
we
should
all
be
concerned
about
if
I'm
trying
to
move
something-
and
you
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
your
constituents
or
key
stakeholders.
I
would
hope
that
someone
would
be
concerned
about
that.
If
I
was
on
this
reference
committee.
A
B
To
be
an
automatic,
no
it's
certainly
I
don't
that's
a
good
point.
It
certainly
wouldn't
the
intent
is
not
to
permit
to
to
circumvent
the
suspension
of
the
rules.
The
point
is
really
in
a
way
to
address
council
member
braithwaite's
concern.
B
Items
appear
on
agendas
in
a
variety
of
different
ways
already
that
that
occurs
and
the
goal
is
to
ensure
that
they're
appearing
on
an
agenda.
However,
they
appear
pursuant
to
something
that
was
done
in
public
and
transparently.
I'm
not
I'm
not
suggesting
that
it'll
happen
at
all
happen
more
frequently
than
it's
happened,
typically
or
less
frequently.
I'm
just
saying,
let's
have
total
clarity
about
why
something
is
appearing
on
an
agenda
so
that
if
someone
does
in
fact
feel
that
it
went
too
fast,
they
know
who
to
talk
to
about
about
about
their
concerns.
B
If
we
want
to
put
impose
additional
restrictions
on
when
things
can
appear
on
agendas
for
production
action,
that
seems
like
a
fine
idea
to
me.
I
just
think
that
if
it's
going
to
appear
on
agenda
that
way,
folks
ought
to
know
whose
decision
that
was
and
why.
A
Generally,
what
we've
done
is
if
something
appears
for
an
introduction
in
action.
It
will
say
then,
at
the
request
of
council
member
wynn,
the
suspension
of
the
rules
is
requested
in
order
to
have
introduction
and
action
and
that's
part
of
the
agenda,
and
then,
if,
if
council,
member
win,
does
not
succeed
in
getting
suspension
of
the
unanimous
suspension
of
the
rules,
it
simply
is
introduced.
M
B
A
I
I
would
believe
that
you
would
be
able
to
because
then
our
other
rules
would
take
effect
start
operating,
because
once
it's
at
the
council,
then
the
other
rules
are
operating.
The
references
committee
refers
to
getting
something
onto
the
agenda
initially
and
then
from
there
the
rest
of
our
rules.
I
would
think
then
start
to
operate.
M
E
I
make
a
sorry
good
evening,
kelly
gandersky
deputy
city
manager.
If
we're
striking
the
term
introduction
and
action,
it
seems
to
me
an
item
only
ever
comes
onto
the
agenda
for
discussion
introduction,
not
that
it
wouldn't
be
intro
and
action.
It
would
never
come
on
just
for
action
on
a
city
council
agenda.
You.
E
So
I
think
we
should
just
say
appears
on
the
relevant
agenda
period.
That
would
be
my
suggestion,
but
I
will
go
with.
Obviously
whatever
the
council
feels.
B
A
A
All
right
so
councilmember
braithwaite
has
moved
this
and
I
recognize
we
have
not
finished
the
other
discussion
about
membership
on
the
references
committee,
but
we've
moved
this
and
and
it's
I
believe
it's
been
seconded.
A
I'm
sorry
council,
member
fleming
yeah
and
then
I.
C
Also,
don't
want
to
forget
about
council
member
reed's
question
that
about
membership.
It
was
about
remember
for
something
else.
C
Yeah,
so
I
just
wanna
be
forgotten
down
here
at
the
end,
so
I
I
think-
and
and
I
don't
know
that
this
is
the
rule-
someone
can
tell
me-
and
I
can
find
it
later,
but
ottoman
breathe
ways,
description
of
introduction
in
action.
C
If
that
is
a
rule,
we
should
revisit
it
at
some
time
because
I've
seen
all
kind
of
things
going
for
introduction
and
action,
not
just
in
those.
So
maybe
when
you
started-
or
maybe
the
goal
was
kind
of
those
higher
arching
things
that
you
mentioned,
but
I've
seen
all
kinds
of
things
on
the
for
introduction
and
action.
So.
C
Right
so
I'm
saying,
if
that,
if
we
want
to
make
a
practice,
as
which
maybe
makes
sense
what
can
qualify
his
introduction
in
action,
we
should
maybe
not
tonight,
but
do
that
at
some
point,
because
I'm
fine
having
a
practice.
But
now
we
just
do
anything.
It
seems
like
whenever
an
older
person
asks,
but
my
point
about
introduction
in
action
in
this
sense
was
my
vision.
Kind
of
this
committee
is
that
things
are
very
standard
and
streamlined,
and
there
are
ways
in
which
you
make
referrals.
C
You
can
make
them
here,
but
you
need
to
also
make
them
a
writing
with
clearer.
You
know,
explanations
and
requests
of
staff
or
whatever
that
is,
and
so,
if,
if
we
got
to
that
point
and
did
it
that
way,
it
could
be
something
where,
if
I'm
making
a
referral,
I
can
say
on
that
document.
I
would
like
to
suspend
the
rules
and
have
this
for
introduction
in
action
right
versus
the
committee.
C
If
I
make
a
referral
about
whatever
it
is
and
say
it
goes
to
human
services,
I'm
not
sure
at
what
time
the
council
member
can
say.
Oh
you
know
what
can
that
be?
For
introduction
in
action
I
mean
again,
this
is
part
of
what
this
committee
will
have
to
dance
and
figure
its
way
out,
but
if
it
starts
at
a
committee
and
then
it
makes
council
that
council
I
mean,
then
it
makes
the
council
agenda
that
council
member
needs
to
be
mindful
and
say
hey.
C
C
I
guess
I
don't
think
it's
totally
worth
striking,
but
to
back
that
up,
if
we
want
to
have
clear
parameters
of
what
things
can
be
introduction
and
action,
we
should
do
that
as
well,
because
my
experience
has
been
that
it's
been
mostly
things.
A
lot
of
things
that
people
have
felt
like
are
very
important
or
time
sensitive.
That
then
need
to
be
introduced
in
action.
C
A
And
councilmember
fleming
I
I
would
agree
with
you
and
I
will
say
in
my
experience
on
the
council.
Suspending
the
rules
for
action
was
rare
when
it,
when
it
started
to
become
slightly
more
common,
was
when
we
realized
that
if
we
were
granting
a
liquor
license
that
by
not.
If
we
were
in
unanimity
about
granting
the
liquor
license,
then
we
realized
that
gave
the
restaurant
tour
two
more
weeks
to.
A
And
I
agree
with
that
and
but
I
also
see
the
value
of
requiring
a
introduction
and
then
and
then,
but
if
you,
if
you
bundle
it
together
as
introduction
and
action,
then
you're
cutting
out
the.
C
The
public
on
that,
so
then
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
people
are
clear
if,
if
they
make
the
referral
when
they
need
to
then
say,
I
would
like
this
for
introduction
in
action
and
who's
making.
That
decision
and
we'd
have
to
do
that
right
this
second,
but
that
needs
to
be
something
that's
flushed
out.
J
A
I
I
will
say
all
right:
I
know
we're
discussing
angels
dancing
on
the
heads
of
pen,
but
there
are
times
when
someone
will.
You
know
a
resident
whose
item
is
coming
to
the
council
will
then
come
to
a
member
of
the
council
and
say
I
didn't
know
that
I
could
get
introduction
in
action
and
can
you
see
if
the
rules
can
be
suspended
because
we
don't
always
know
when
we
make
the
reference
that
someone
something
has
become
particularly
time
sensitive.
So
as
long
as
that
option
is
still
available,
then
I'm
comfortable
with
that
and.
J
K
J
So
if
that
becomes
the
case
that
you
have
someone
that
says
that
comes
to
their
representative
and
says,
can
this
be
for
introduction
and
action
late?
Let's?
Maybe
it's
a
business
owner?
Maybe
it's
someone
else,
maybe
it's
the
leaf,
blower
ordinance,
who
knows,
but
someone
can
come
to
the
representative
and
say
I
would
like
for
introduction
action
at
some
step
along
the
way
the
rules
allow
for
that
to
happen
because
20.1
is
still
in
the
rules.
J
J
A
E
J
A
A
I
B
B
K
M
A
K
K
I
Of
information
and
this
point
of
information,
when
a
council
member
has
the
floor,
they
have
a
five
minute
period
and
included
in
that
five
minute
period
is
a
question
and
answer
period.
So,
just
if
you
know
in
the
future,
I
would
appreciate
if
we
can
allow
for
that
question
during
that
period,.
A
I
recognize
that
I
we
launched
off
onto
that
there's
a
lot
of
branching
going
on
in
all
of
this,
so
we
are
coming
back
to
this
now
so
now
we
are
back
to
mayor
biss,
who
is
going
to
discuss
how
bring
in
his
two
cents
on
how
we
arrive
at
those
two
members.
Well.
B
I
was
actually
just
going
to
respond
to
council
member
reed's
question
about
why
the
number
two,
which
is
what
I
understood
your
question
to
be
so
my
view-
is
that
this
committee
would
benefit
from
having
two
characteristics.
One
is
an
odd
number
of
members
for
obvious
reasons,
and
one
is
a
relatively
small
number
of
members
because,
as
everyone
is
alluded
to,
we
don't
want
this
to
slow
things
down.
I
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
see
if
we
are,
I
think
those
are
swell
reasons
to
have
the
committee
small
and
nimble.
I
think
we
could
make
the
committee
even
more
nimble
by
having
adding
a
rotation.
I
Sorry,
I've
got
that
I
I'm
interested
in
having
a
rotate
I'm
making
a
motion
to
add
language
that
this
committee
would
rotate
that
the
two
alder
people
on
the
committee,
the
mayor
of
course,
would
stay,
but
the
two
older
people
would
rotate
on
a
you
know
a
quarterly
basis,
every
two
months
or
a
quarterly.
A
Well,
seeing
no
lights
right
now,
I'll
I'll
jump
in,
I
think
that's
much
too
rapid
rotation.
A
The
way
that
the
process
that
happens
frequently
with
items
that
come
to
eventually
to
the
council
are
is
sometimes
multi-month,
and
so
by
the
time
someone
you
know,
there's
a
reference
made
and
by
the
time
it
actually
gets
to
the
point
where
it's
being
going
to
the
council,
there's
a
whole
new
set
of
members
of
this
committee.
A
You
know
I
I
think
people
need
to
get.
This
is
a
brand
new
committee.
We
need
to
allow
them
time
to
operate
this.
They
they
really
need
to
understand
the
num.
The
volume
and
flow
of
references
that
are
coming
from
this
council
they'll
need
time
to
consult
with
staff
and
also
see
how
the
the
staff
is
handling
the
workload.
So
I
think
we're
we're
going
to
defeat
the
purpose
of
this
reference
committee
to
to
properly
allocate
the
time
if
we
are
constantly
changing
the
members.
A
So
I
would
be
very
much
opposed
to
a
rotation
with
that
that
I
think
people
should
serve
for
two
years,
because
that
you
really
need
that
amount
of
time.
I
would
think
to
understand
and
become
experienced.
K
A
K
A
I
apologize
thank
you.
We
need
a
second
with
respect
to
that
motion,
I'll
second,
okay.
So
now,
okay,
okay,
so
council,
member
kelly.
J
A
Read
it
yeah
reid's
motion
was
to
have
the
the
the
members
of
the
references
committee
rotate
every.
O
No
in
9.7
there's
no
reference
to
the
time
that
would
be
served
right.
I
mean
it's
pretty
open,
so
I
mean
my
only
thought
is
that
in
the
name
of
efficiency
and
because
I
think
this
will
be
a
lot
of
work
and
currently
right
now,
staff
who's
here,
you
know
five
days
a
week-
is
handling
this
and
I'm
just
very
concerned
that
it
will
require
a
lot
of
work.
O
It's
going
to
have
to
require
a
lot
of
work
if
we're
going
to
move
things
along
and
that's
why
I
think
we
really
should
be
considering
rotation,
because
we
don't
want
people
saying
getting
so
burned
out
and
and
not
meeting
if
we
need
an
extra
meeting,
because
it's
just
because
you
know
it's
it's
too
costly
in
terms
of
time,
so
I
think
we
really
should
consider.
I
don't
know
what
that
time
should
be.
A
B
I'm
certainly
open
to
the
notion
of
rotating
and
want
to
be
flexible
here
I
do
think
actually,
in
keeping
with
council
members
reads
and
kelly's
priorities,
I
I
go
in
a
different
direction
in
terms
of
the
duration
of
the
rotation
when
you,
when
council
member
reid,
talked
about
nimbleness
and
and
councilmember
kelly
talked
about
holding
this
whole
process
to
a
high
standard,
I
think
getting
a
real
rhythm-
and
you
know
developing
a
pattern
of
doing
this
effectively
is
going
to
be
valuable
both
in
terms
of
doing
it
well
and
in
terms
of
doing
it
efficiently,
and
so
I
would.
B
I
would
strongly
encourage
if
we
want
to
write
a
rotation
period
into
the
rule,
that
it
be
a
significantly
longer
duration.
I
I
believe
chair.
When
mentioned
two
years,
that's
sort
of
the
ballpark
I
mean
I
could
imagine
going
higher.
I
could
imagine
going
lower,
but
but
three
months
strikes
me
as
not
enough
to
to
really
develop
the
patterns
and
rhythm
that
I
think
this
will
most
benefit
from.
I
I
just
do
want
to
note
that
this
committee
seems
like
it
should
be
a
fairly
kind
of
perfunctory
committee
and
just
assigning
things
without
too
much
fanfare,
and
so
I
I
I
don't
think
that
it's
happy
to
have
been
to
a
year
or
something
along
those
lines
or
six
months,
but
to
to
a
point
that
was
raised
earlier.
Regarding
you
know
if
it
were
three
months
or
if
it
were
six
months
that
sometimes
this
committee's
only
referring
things
to
commit
to
committees
and
then
their
hand,
they're
done
with
it.
C
I
Out
of
the
game
on
it,
and
so
I
think
it
makes
it
you
know
once
they
refer
it's
done,
and
I
don't
think
we
have
to.
It
has
to
be
a
super
complicated
process,
and
I
think
what
we're
the
goal
is
to
just
have
a
transparent
process
where
we
know
that
these
things
are
coming
to
an
an
agenda.
I
I
think
you
know
we
should
make
sure
that
we're
building
you
know
equity
into
this,
to
ensure
that
you
know
we're
having
equal
representation,
particularly
amongst
communities
that
are,
you
know
some
of
the
the
more
the
lower
income
communities
in
our
wards,
such
as
the
fifth
ward,
the
eighth
ward,
the
second
ward,
and
I
do
think
we
should
have
a
healthy
rotation
schedule.
So
hearing
what
mayor
bis
said
I
will
amend
my
motion
to
have
the
rotation
schedule
occur
annually.
E
C
Guess
so
are
we
speaking
on
the
yearly
I'll
just
give
my
two
cents
about
the
rotation?
You
know,
I
think
a
rotation
is
fine.
I
do
think
the
first
committee,
whoever
they
are
three
people-
five
people
whatever
it
is.
They
have
some
work
to
do
in
terms
of
setting
up
the
process,
and
so
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
go
to,
I
would
like
us
to
go
to
a
written
referral
that
goes
to
the
clerk
so
that
everybody
knows
where
the
referrals
go.
There
needs
to
be
a
sheet.
C
We
use
to
write
that
there
needs
to
be
a
process
for
the
clerk.
We
need
to
get
some
kind
of
online
system,
so
the
clerk
can
manage
it.
So
she
doesn't
have
a
thousand
pieces
of
paper.
I
think
there's
some
work
to
do
to
get
it
set
up
to
be
transparent
and
efficient,
and
if
you
have
people
who
are
doing
that
for
two
months,
three
months,
meeting
weekly
or
bi-weekly,
you
know
I
don't
know
why
we
would
rush
that
process.
I
mean,
I
think
a
rotation
is
fine.
C
If
people
want
to
serve
on
it
it
I
I
I'm
happy
to
have
people
serve
on
I'm
happy
to
serve
or
not
serve.
I
don't
want
us
to
think
that,
like
I
would.
I
don't
want
us
to
think
that
if
I
don't
get
on
the
reference
committee,
my
things
don't
get
through.
I
think
that's
definitely
another
reference
committee,
which
is,
if
everyone's
submitting
their
things
accurately
or
not
accurately,
but
you.
C
For
lack
of
a
better
term,
if
the
reference
committee
gets
something
that
doesn't
make
sense,
we
can
go
back
and
say:
hey
cicely.
We
need
more
information
here
to
give
the
staff
or
you
know
this
is
not
clear-
that's
not
clear
and
with
it
being
a
public
meeting,
everybody
can
follow
along.
I
guess
if
people
feel
like
their
things
are
not
getting
represented,
they
can
always
come
to
the
reference
committee
and
say
that
I
appreciate
the
point
of
equity,
but
I
think
in
this
committee
structure,
everybody's
ward
deserves
to
be
represented.
C
I
would
hate
for
my
thing
not
get
to
get
four,
because
I
don't
have
as
many
non-native
you
know
speakers
or
whatever
else
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
equity.
So
we
all
you
know,
serve
different
constituents
base
who
need
to
have
their
their
items
heard,
but
yes,
so
rotation.
I
think
you
know
a
year
would
be
fine,
but
just
particularly
thinking
about
the
first
group
of
people
they
are
going
to
have
to
they're
going
to
be
charged
with
making
sure
this
works,
and
I
don't
think
you
can
do
that
in.
C
C
To
give
them
time
to
make
it
work,
so
when
the
next
committee
comes
in,
it's
working
or
or
we
can
change
it,
but
I
think
this
will
be
a
learning
process
for
for
everyone,
and
the
point
about
you
made
about
you
know
once
they
refer
it,
it's
kind
of
done.
C
Maybe
it's
not
done,
maybe
they
referred
and
they
want
to
make
sure
it's
you
know
moving
along
through
through
the
city
staff,
for
you
right.
They
don't
want
to
just
refer
it
into
an
abyss,
and
then
it's
gone
so
not
that
they're
micromanaging
the
staff,
but
I
would
imagine
part
of
this
committee's
job-
is
once
they
make
the
referral
making
sure
that
it
either
has
a
date
to
go
on
agenda.
It's
already
on
an
agenda,
so
then
everyone
knows
where
their
things
are.
It's
not
just
like
a
referral
and
then
you're.
C
You
know
the
next
committee's
coming
in
trying
to
catch
up.
How
long
has
it
been
on
the
docket,
where
you
know?
Where
is
this
thing
at
so
I
do
think
a
little
bit
of
a
longer
period
of
time,
at
least
for
this
first
rotation
of
folks
is
going
to
be
necessary,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
write
that
in
or
not
write
it
in.
I
guess
it
makes
sense
to
write
it
in,
since
everything
else
is
written
in
terms
of
rotation.
C
I
could
support
a
year.
I
could
see
it
being
a
little
more.
I
think
we
also
just
have
to
think
about
being
flexible.
So
if
you
know,
if
I
were
on
it-
and
I
can't
make
the
year
commitment
because
of
life
changes,
I
would
hope
someone
else
could
jump
in
and
replace
me
that
we're
not
so
rigid
that
you
know
we
don't
have
flexibility
in
swapping
out
people
as
life
changes
as
well.
A
All
right,
let's
see,
council
member
kelly.
O
Is
could
we
possibly
call
this
a
pilot?
I
mean
I'm
not
sure
what
goes
into
when
you
pass
an
ordinance
as
a
pilot,
but
so
that
it's
revisited
in
a
year.
Could
it
be
a
pilot
ordinance?
I'm.
C
Just
wondering
I
think
you
can
revisit
it
and
you're
on
the
you're
on
the
rules
committee
you
can
just
we
can
say
you
know
you
can
say
in
six
months
or
committee.
Can
they
will
come
back
to
you
in
six
months?
I
would
imagine
in
my
little
head
once
this
committee
works
out
what
it
thinks
it's
going
to
work,
they're
going
to
bring
it
back
to
the
rules
committee,
because
you
guys
have
to
know
how
it's
going
to
work
right.
C
B
There
are
a
number
of
municipalities
that
have
more
formal
processes
like
this
there's:
a
lot
of
commonality
with
aurora
there's
some
commonality
with
morton
grove.
Much
to
my
surprise,
because
they're
a
bit
smaller,
you
know,
I
think,
the
larger
the
community,
the
more
formal
all
this
stuff
has
to
be
kind
of
what
we're.
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
is,
you
know,
address
the
issue
of
there
sometimes
are
traffic
jams
that
result
in
ideas
not
being
heard
in
a
timely
fashion,
and
I
think,
that's
likely
to
occur
in
a
bigger
community.
M
B
The
the
the
issue
we're
trying
to
address
is
that
essentially-
and
I
forgot
the
words
I
said
so
I'll-
say
something
totally
different
now
by
accident
oops-
that
sometimes
it
happens
that
there
is
enough
referrals
in
the
pipeline,
that
not
everything
can
be
heard
at
the
timeline
that
the
people
who
made
the
referral
would
hope
it
would
be
heard
and
that
there
is
confusion
about
what
the
priorities
are
and
why
and
how
much
bandwidth.
M
It
so
I
think,
the
greater
challenge
for
this
committee
and
it's
brand
new
developed
by
a
new
council.
The
things
that
I
see
and
I'm
going
to
quote
ray
who
comes
religiously
is
good.
Ideas
are
developed
in
our
community
and
then
through
participation,
it
bubbles
up
to
council,
and
I
guess
I
would
challenge
this
committee
if,
if
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
we're
looking
at
this
now,
then
there's
an
inherent
flaw
in
that
I'll
say
it
again.
Good
ideas
comes
from
our
residents
and
they're
developed
over
time.
M
I
think
this
reference
committee
is
going
to
be
challenged,
that
whoever
is
bringing
that
next
big
idea
needs
to
have
their
stuff
together
needs
to
document
meetings
that
are
in
the
community,
because
once
it
gets
to
the
council
floor,
that's
where
the
conversation
stops.
It's
just
it's
a
one,
directional
conversational
ray
right.
The
conversation
typically
takes
place
in
the
committee,
so
I
will
leave
it
at
that
because
I,
I
would
be
curious
to
see
what
this
looks
like,
but
I
just
think
that
that's
important
that
we
hold
that
to
our
chest
as
well.
M
Keep
in
mind
the
resources
of
our
staff,
to
your
point
that
we
want
to
make
sure
at
least
I
like
to
make
sure
that
when
I'm
voting
for
something
on
the
council
floor
that
it's
fully
baked,
there's
enough
information
that
if
it
I
or
anyone
else,
votes
that
we're
able
to
explain
it
to
our
to
our
residents
and
it's
in
black
and
white
and
filled
with
enough
data
that
makes
sense
to
us
all.
So
I
hope
that
makes
sense
all
right.
A
There
was
the
is
there,
a
motion
on
the
floor.
I
A
A
Okay,
council,
member
kelly.
O
B
So
that
that's
that's
just
it
so
as
it
stands
now,
9.3
a
controls
which
means
it's
just
the
rules
committee's
call
at
any
time
the
rules
committee
could
swap
people
out
it's
just
up
to
us
as
a
body
of
10..
My
question
about
the
motion
simply
purely
clarification.
Question
is:
what
exactly
does
it
say?
Does
it
say
that
every
year
the
rules
committee
shall
do
a
reappointment
process?
Does
it
say
that
every
four
years
the
rules
committee
shall
build
out
a
rotation
for
the
next
four
years?
B
I
It
would
be
that
every
year
the
council,
the
rules
committee,
would
come
together
and
determine
have
an
appointment
meeting
and.
K
K
I
Made
there
I
think,
without
this
language
it
creates,
you
know
if
we
want
to
swap
someone
out,
it
creates
a
point
of
tension
with
our
with
our
council
members.
You
know
if
I
don't
like
something
that
you.
I
G
I
I
would
I'm
just
making
the
observation
that
none
of
the
other
standing
committees
have
a
rotating
membership.
We
do
rotate
chairmanships
of
those
committees,
but
we
don't
rotate
memberships
of
those
committees
for
good
reasons,
yeah.
I
I
understand
and
respect
council
member
reed's
point.
G
My
personal
opinion
would
be
to
not
rotate
very
frequently
and
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
I
I
can
quickly
respond
to
your
point
there,
which
is
that
the
other
committees,
as
we
saw
with
the
committee
selection
process,
we
didn't
really
limit
the
number
of
council
members.
At
any
point,
any
member
who
wanted
to
serve
on
any
committee
could
serve
on
that
committee
and
it
seems
this
is
the
only
committee
where
we're
looking
to
keep
a
really
tight
small
membership
and
that's
why
I
think
rotation
is
important.
J
Council,
member
kelly
did
second
it,
but
we
didn't
hear
it,
but
I
heard
it
because
she
sat
next
to
me,
and
I
just
also
wanted
to
point
out,
though,
that
although
to
councilman
reed's
point
at
the
last
selection
of
the
committees,
there
was
no
limit.
The
rules
actually
do
outline
the
number
of
older
persons
that
can
serve
on
a
given
committee.
J
We
had
to
amend
the
rules
based
upon
those
committee
assignments,
so
I
believe
one
of
the
committees
actually
shrunk
and
another
committee
increased
its
size
because
of
the
desire
of
the
council
members
to
serve
in
the
community.
So
there
are
limits
to
the
number
of
council
members
on
these
standing
committees.
It's
just
the
rules
committee
had
to
make
those
calls
on
june
7th.
A
I
I'll
take
the
chairs,
privilege
and
say
I
I
I
understand
the
desire
to
have
rotation
I,
but
I
very
much
appreciate
council
member
fleming's
point
that
this
is
the
inaugural
committee
of
this
of
this
type
of
committee
and
our
on
our
council
and
that
they
will
be
the
ones
who
will
be
establishing
the
procedure
and
the
process,
obviously
with
input
from
all
of
us.
A
A
And
I
don't
council
member
rebel.
L
L
I
don't
even
know
quite
what
the
word
is
yet
but
guidelines
for
how
the
committee
is
going
to
make
a
decision
about
priorities
for
the
different
referrals
and-
and
so
I
do
think
it's
certainly
not
going
to
take
a
whole
year
to
do
that,
but
it
would
be.
I
think
the
first
year
would
be
spent
developing
some
of
these
guidelines
and
and
applying
these
guidelines
and
then
making
some
revisions.
I
Then
I'm
happy
to
amend
this
motion
to
two
years
and
you
know
put
that
there
as
long
as
that
initial
committee
right,
this
initial
committee
is
going
to
have,
as
we
said,
very
important
work
and
we
should
give
them
a
long
time
frame.
Then
any
member
on
the
council
wants
to
serve
on
that
committee.
I
think,
should
be
able
to
serve
at
least
for
that
first
period.
I
So
I'm
happy
to
make
the
amendment
to
two
years.
As
long
as
any
council
member
who
wants
to
serve
on
the
committee
can
serve.
A
Want
to
serve,
we,
I
think,
we've
defeated
the
purpose,
so
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
determine
the
method
of
of
who
serves
on
the
committee.
I
in
the
past,
on
other
prior
councils,
we,
the
council,
voted
on
who
could
serve
on
which
committee
I
mean.
That
was
how
we
did
it.
A
I
think
now
we
do
now
we
just
now.
We
do
it
by
acceptance
or
acclamation,
but
in
the
past,
when
we
had
the
the
very
strict
limits
are
not
even
strict,
I
mean
when
we
had
the
four
people
served
on
a
pw
five
people
served
on
p
d
and
five
people
served
on
human
services.
B
Yeah,
just
respectfully,
I
I
do
think
that
opening
up
the
membership
to
anybody
which
caps
it
at
ten
instead
of
three
really
strikes
me
as
a
recipe
for
slowing
things
down
and-
and
that
would
worry
me
a
great
deal
so
that
that
aspect
of
this
I
could
not
support.
B
Without
getting
into
the
one
year
versus
two
years,
the
specific,
the
specific
suggestion
to
say
hey
in
the
first
year
or
two
years,
anybody
who
wants
to
join
without
limitation
can
join
meaning.
Therefore,
the
committee
might
wind
up
having
as
many
as
10
members
rather
than
three.
B
That
strikes
me
as
putting
us
on
a
path
to
that
strikes
me
as
not
a
recipe
for
success.
A
We
might
as
well
not
have
the
committee
okay,
council,
member
kelly.
O
And
I
can
I
am:
can
I
amend
your
motion
to
the
what
council
member
nguyen
proposed
to
the
first
two
years
this
committee
served
for
two
years
and
after
that,
a
yearly.
J
K
J
I
It
certainly
was
contingent,
but
it
seems
as
though
you
know
I'm
I'm
but
one
member
of
the
council
and
so
there's
a
motion
and
a
second
and
so
that
that
was
that's.
What's
on
the
floor,
I.
J
A
A
So
that
mayor,
excuse
me
council,
member
kelly,
would
you
restate
the
motion?
Thank
you.
O
The
motion
is
that
this
committee,
the
this
committee,
initially,
will
serve
for
two
years
and
after
that,
every
year
it
will
rotate
every
year
after
that,
but
the
initially
it
will
meet
for
two
years.
A
So
now
miss
friend
salno.
Would
you
re
start
again
calling
the
role.
I
A
Okay,
so
that's
been
established.
Ms
gandursky
has
pointed
out
to
me
that
we
do
need
to
go
back
and
I
understand
we're
going
to
go
back.
There's
a
some,
an
issue
with
respect
to
the
reference
committee
and
I'm
not
even
going
to
bring
up
the
issue
about
whether
we
all
think
that's
a
good
name
for
this
committee.
A
A
N
I
wanted
to
add
to
9.7
the
committee
shall
send
each
referral
to
an
appropriate
body
for
consideration
and
shall
make
determinations
about
timing,
sequencing
and
venue
in
accordance
with
transparent
criteria
or
of
her
guidelines
used.
So
I
think
we're
assuming
that
guidelines
will
be
made
and
created
I'd
like
to
see
that
written
into
the
rules.
If
everybody
is
okay
with
that,
and
that
is
a
motion.
N
B
C
Yeah,
that
was
just
a
lot
of
words
for
my
my
brain
to
get
so
so
correct
died,
so
they
would
have
stepped
that's
why
I
was
thinking
the
committee,
the
the
first
group
of
committee
members
would
be
two
right.
They
have
to
establish
guidelines,
I'm
happy
to
have
that
in
there.
I
think
it's
important.
I
just
think
if
we,
I
guess
this,
the
second
rotation
of
the
committee,
I
guess
they
could
change
the
guidelines
or
they
could
just
follow
the
guidelines.
So
did
you
say
according
to
guidelines
or
creating
guidelines?
N
C
Okay
and
so
the
venue-
I
don't
know
how
much
we
can
do
about
that.
If
we're
you
know
if
and
I
keep
saying
we,
but
if
a
referral
comes
in
and
it
goes
to
human
services
because
of
the
nature
of
the
referral,
you
know
this
committee
wouldn't
necessarily
say
the
venue
it
would
just
be
wherever
human
services
is
meeting.
Is
that
what
you
mean
in
terms
of
venue.
C
Okay,
all
right
so
all
right
and
then
the
other
part
in
terms
of
timeliness
or
just
determine
that
a
timeline.
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
how
this
reference
committee
could
do
that
right.
So
if
I
make
a
referral-
and
it
goes
to
the
committee
and
then
it
goes
to
human
services-
well,
the
human
services
chair
or
the
human
services
current
agenda
may
be.
C
You
know
two
months
out
because
they
only
mean
once
a
month,
and
so
it
might
be
just
because
of
the
schedule
they
already
have
this.
This
can't
come
up
into
the
third
month
and
I
think
that's
something
that
the
reference
committee
or
and
the
clerk
you
know,
could
then
report
back
to
the
referring
council
person
to
say:
hey.
Your
thing
should
come
up
in
july,
just
based
on.
C
What's
already
on
the
agenda,
I
think
that
you
know
if
we're
looking
for
more
of
a
timeliness
that
goes
back
to
the
actual
introduction
in
action
which
the
council,
member,
in
my
opinion,
needs
to
justify.
This
item
needs
to
have
the
rules
suspended
because
it's
time
sensitive,
you
know,
budget
sensitive,
you
know
whatever.
That
matter
is,
I
think,
it's
important
for
this
committee
to
follow
the
referrals
and
make
sure
that
they
are
moving
through
the
appropriate
committee
in
that
committee,
but
you
know
getting
to
the
appropriate
committee
in
a
timely
fashion.
C
I
just
I
would
be
hesitant
to
say
that
they
are
establishing
the
timeline,
because
I
I
don't
know
if
they
could
do
that
without
packing
agendas,
and
then
we
have
to
all
make
sure
we
don't
want
if
we
want
to
commit
to
being
here,
particularly
if
we
talk
about
something
that's
going
to
ap,
w
or
pnd,
and
then
we
have
council
after
it-
and
this
is
maybe
a
different
discussion.
But
do
we
want
to
kind
of
cap
those
meetings
at
10
things,
each
or
20
things,
each
or
whatever?
It
is?
C
And
so,
if
this
committee
is
going
to
just
put
things
on
there
based
on
the
timeline
they
have
without
considering
what's
already
on
those
agendas,
I
I
would
just
be
concerned
that
our
meetings
start
running
super
late.
So
I'd
be
more
of
support
of
kind
of
them,
keeping
up
with
the
timeline
and
making
sure
things
don't
get
left
off.
Because
of
you.
N
C
And
that
one
that
was
my
goal
yeah
that
should
be
written
out
in
the
game.
Yes,
the
guidelines
should
cover
all
that.
So
again,
whoever
is
on
the
committee.
This
is
how
the
committee
works
and
they
can
change
that.
But
this
is
how
the
committee
works.
This
is
how
communication
works,
but
I
I
think
I
would
be
concerned
about
anything
that
talks
about
this
committee
and
timeliness
in
terms
of
when
things
go
on
versus
the
making
sure
things
go
on
in
a
timely
manner,
and
maybe
that's
what
you
said
and
I'm
just
confused.
N
Yeah
I'm
just
saying
this
is
I
mean
I
think
I
get
what
you're
saying
this
is
pointing
to
we'll
consider
determined
timing
based
on
the
criteria
got.
C
Yeah
so
then
I
would
support
something
in
there
about
guidelines
and
transparency.
I
think
I
would
be
more
concerned
if
we
start
putting
in
their
timelines.
I
mean
in
the
language
of
the
rules.
I
think
timeliness
should
definitely
be
in
the
guidelines,
but
I
would
be
concerned
to
put
timeliness
in
the
actual
rules
document
and
maybe
I'm
being
too
anal
on
this
one,
but
as.
C
C
C
No,
no,
I
think,
you're
right.
I
think
we
need
to
have
you
know,
guidelines
and
maybe
that's
again,
that's
a
charge
for
this
first
committee
and
they
need
to
come
back
to
this
body
with
the
guidelines
and
explanation
of
how
they
came
up
with
the
guidelines
and
how
you
make
it
refer.
You
know
what
the
new
process
is
right
they
would.
A
G
I,
like
councilmember
byrne's
suggestion
I
have
some
suggested
wording
that
might
work.
I
will
not
offer
this
as
a
motion
yet,
but
what?
If
we
pick
up
the
wording,
the
sole
duty
of
this
committee
shall
be
to
consider
references
made
by
the
mayor,
an
older
person
or
the
city
manager
and
comma,
based
on
a
transparent
and
established
set
of
criteria.
K
N
You're
trying
to
get
out
here,
I
think
that
takes
out
the
shall
send
each
referral
to
an
appropriate
body
for
consideration.
What
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
is
that
this
committee
should
not
be
able
to
block
or
delay
or
slow
anything
down.
It
shouldn't
decide
whether
or
not
right
worthy.
You
know
going
to
the
floor
at
least
for
discussion,
and
so
I
think
the
in
part
I'd
have
to
hear
it
again
sounds
fine,
but
the
first
part
I
think,
should
still
read
shell.
Send
each
referral
to
an
appropriate
body
for
consideration
the.
G
Shall
be
to
consider
references
made
by
the
mayor
and
all
the
person
or
the
city
manager
and
here's
the
new
part
based
on
transparent
and
established
set
of
criteria
and.
G
Shall
be
based
on
an
established
and
transparent
set
of
criteria,
refer
them
to
the
appropriate
board
committee
commission,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,.
I
N
J
So
right
now
the
only
formal
motion,
because
councilmember
newsman
said
he
didn't
want
to
make
it
emotion
yet
is
councilmember
burns
motion.
J
However,
I
did
want
to
point
out,
and
maybe
I'm
just
misunderstanding-
the
language
you
guys
don't
want
this
referrals
committee
to
usurp
any
of
the
authority
of
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor
that
are
built
into
the
rules
with
respect
to
agendas,
so
just
wanted
to
sort
of
make
everyone
aware
that
there
is
a
rule
in
the
rules
that
says
the
mayor
sets
the
sequence
of
the
agenda,
for
example,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
was
aware
of
that,
and
so,
if
you
I
just
didn't
get
too
far
in
the
weeds
with
what
this
referrals
committee
is
doing.
J
But
if
you
make
that
big
of
a
change
it
could
impact
other
rules.
We
haven't
discussed
or
already
have
discussed.
J
G
Unless
councilmember
burns
would
like
to
amend,
his
motion
have.
A
E
A
J
D
K
D
J
Okay
and
now
chair,
when
you
did
bring
up
5.6.1.
E
A
A
All
right,
could
you
call
the
role
on
that?
Please.
I
J
If
I
can
make
a
suggestion-
yes
there,
there
is
another
section
dealing
with
the
now
referrals
committee.
Yes,
that
needs
to
be
discussed
and
there's
also
the
finance
the
budget
and
finance
committee
that
to
be
discussed,
but
there,
and
as
long
as
before
you
get
to
the
budget
and
finance,
there
are
some
changes
that
were
given
to
me
today
in
9.4.
A
O
O
Point
four
for
ap
w,
I'm
moving
that
we
strike
finance
so
that
that
will
be
with
the
finance
and
budget
committee.
Thank
you,
and
also
liaison
with
the
police
and
fire
pension.
That
would
also
go
with
the
finance
and
budget
committee.
I
A
Okay,
seeing
no
lights
on
this,
ms
france
element,
would
you
please
call
the
role.
D
K
A
All
right
that
motion
passes
mr
cummings,
then
is
the
next
item
that
you
wanted
to
deal
with?
Should
we
go
back
to
the
references
committee.
J
A
Referrals
shall
be
forwarded
to
the
city
manager,
who
may
transmit
them
to
the
clerk
for
publication
and
consideration
by
the
referrals
committee.
Only
time,
sensitive
or
emergency
items
may
be
placed
directly
on
an
agenda
by
the
city
manager.
Items
that
have
been
referred
to
a
standing
committee
shall
only
appear
on
a
city
council
agenda.
After
passage
by
that
standing
committee
or
reassignments
by
the
referrals
committee
mayor
bis,.
B
I
move
that
we
amend
this
by
striking
the
last
six
words
or
reassignment
by
the
referrals
committee.
A
That
seeing
no
lights
would
you
haul
the
roll
with
respect
to
that,
please
you
got
two
blanks
are.
I
A
D
D
D
A
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
with
respect
to
this.
I
would
like
to
strike
on
the
sixth
line
down
the
sentence
that
starts
staff
referrals
shall
be
forwarded
to
the
city
manager,
who
may
transmit
them
to
the
clerk
for
publication
and
consideration
by
the
referrals
committee.
If
I
could
get
a
second
I'd,
explain.
A
The
staff
comes
to
members
of
committees
with
using
their
expertise
to
raise
issues
that
they
think
are
important
to
for
the
committee
to
consider,
and
I
and
the
example
I'll
give
that
I've
mentioned
to
a
couple.
People
is
when
we
had
transportation
and
and
parking
still
as
a
committee.
A
Our
transportation
coordinator
came
to
the
committee
to
explain
that
electric
scooters
were
coming
towards
us
and
that
chicago
had
already
taken
steps
to
regulate
them
and
that
that
she
felt
that
we
needed
to
take
those
steps
and
get
that
ordinance
on
our
books
as
well
before
the
electric
scooters
arrived
here
in
chicago
in
evanston,
and
the
committee
took
that
item
up
and
then
worked
on
that.
A
So
that
was
something
that
came
from
the
staff
based
on
their
expertise
in
the
area
where
they
are
watching
their
all
of
the
things
that
are
happening
in
other
cities.
Reading
the
mater,
the
all
of
the
trade
publications
and
newspapers
and
figuring
out
what
are
what's
critical,
so
staff
doesn't
really
make
referrals
staff
brings
items
to
the
attention
of
the
committees
via
the
chairs,
so
it
would
significantly
impede
the
flow
of
of
committee
work
if
the
staff
had
to
make
a
referral
to
the
referrals
committee
in
order
to
get
that
done.
O
It
seems
to
me,
though,
you
know
whether
it's
called
a
referral
or
not.
In
essence,
it's
it's.
It
amounts
to
the
same
thing
so,
for
example,
to
mary
rozinski's
point
this
evening.
I
think
it's
important
to
acknowledge
that
items
are
brought
to
committees
to
council
by
staff
and
they're
discussed,
and
they
go
to
introduction
and
action.
The
same
way
a
referral
would
so
I
don't
see
why
these
should
bypass
the
referral
committee.
O
A
A
This
is
their
expertise.
This
is
part
of
what
they
do
as
being
a
city
of
evanston
employee
not
just
to
they.
This
is
what
I
it's
hard
to
explain,
but
this
is
what
their
job
is,
that
they
should
be
constantly
educating
themselves,
and
the
committee
is
that
they
staff
on
these
issues,
but.
O
Could
they
not?
I
would
recommend
that
staff
secure
a
council
member
sponsorship
like
if
there's
something
that
seems
really
important
like
scooters,
either
put
it
through
a
memo.
Would
somebody
consider
taking
this
up,
but
I
think
it
is
important
because
we're
talking
about
legislating
ultimately,
so
I
think
it
is
important
that
each
item
go
before
the
referral
committee.
K
O
The
sponsorship,
but
why
can't
we
have
staff
solicit
sponsorship
by
a
council
member.
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
call
on
the
folks.
I
have
here
council
member
rebel.
L
Well,
I
I
do
think
that
the
the
items
that
staff
puts
on
the
agenda
that
that
it
really
is
different
from
a
referral
that's
being
made
by
an
council
member
and
and
when
they
put
something
when
something
appears
on
the
agenda.
That
packet
has
to
be
in
process
of
like
a
week
before,
and
I
just
I
just
see
this
requirement
to
get
a
sponsorship
or
something
to
be
something
that
would
just
really
add
additional
time
and
slow
down.
L
Our
ability
to
move
forward
with
considering
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
issues
and
many
of
the
agenda
items
that
appear
on
our
agenda
are
basic
to
city
operations
and
how?
How
do
we
distinguish
between
things
that
are
just
you
know,
kind
of
normal,
normal
business
and
something
that
would
need
to
be
considered
a
referral?
I'm
some.
I
looked
just
res
flipped
through
just
some
recent
planning
and
development
agendas.
L
L
A
Yeah
councilmember
reed.
I
would
also
just
like
to
say
a
lot
of
items
that
the
staff
brings
to
us
for
discussion
are
for
discussion
to
keep
a
committee
informed
of
what's
going
on
in
that
in
that
area.
So
it
isn't
necessarily
something
that
leads
to
action.
But
it's
critical
that
the
the
committee
discuss
it
and
understand
what
that
information
does
to
the
the
work
of
the
committee,
and
that
would
to
me
is
not
that
doesn't
belong
going
through
a
referrals
committee.
I
I
I
think
we
can
make
it
clear
that
staff
can
still
bring
items
for
discussion,
but
I
think
if
there
is
a
referral
for
an
ordinance,
a
resolution,
an
expenditure
of
money,
why
would
the
elected
legislative
body
have
to
go
through
an
extra
hoop
if
we're
saying
that
it's
onerous
for
staff
to
have
to
go
through
this?
I
Why
is
it
not
the
same
thing
for
for
us
and
why
should
they
have
a
fast
lane
when
the
elected
council
members
do
not
and
to
you
know
I
I
quite
I
I
think
we
we
have
to
ensure
that
staff
is
is
running
through
the
referrals
committee
as
well.
You
know,
I
don't
think
I
would
have
supported
what
we
were
doing
thus
far
if
staff
was
not
included
in
the
package
of
the
referrals
committee.
O
Just
to
respond
to
council
member
ravel,
I
think
also
we've
seen
a
lot
of
time
spent
in
public
meetings.
For
example,
you
know
staff
proposed
that
we
eliminate
public
notice
before
the
discussion
of
the
sale
of
public
property.
So
nobody
sponsored
that,
but
we
took
public
time
to
discuss
it
and
maybe
had
they
realized
that
nobody
really
wanted
to
put
their
name
on
it,
that
this
wasn't
of
interest
to
council
the
public.
O
Also
we,
you
know
that
may
have
bumped
another
item
from
the
agenda
and
we
know
that
that
happens
a
lot
where
a
representatives
you
know
council
member,
wants
to
move
an
item
forward,
but
it
gets
bumped
down
because
the
agendas
are
so
loaded
and
maybe
the
same
with
you
know
all
the
residents
that
worked
so
hard
on
the
the
issue
of
the
welsh
ryan
stadium
extended
permit
for
commercial
use.
O
I
mean
that
also
didn't
come
up
through
a
council
member
and
residents
took
so
much
time
working
on
that
out
of
their
lives
to
to
challenge
that.
Yet
it
wasn't,
it
didn't
originate
from
any
council
members,
at
least
at
this
80
among
this
81st
council.
So
I
think,
on
the
other
hand,
so
yes
to
your
point,
but
also
there's
a
lot
of
time.
That
also
has
been
lost
also
from
staff
recommendations.
G
I
I
first
have
a
question
which
is
open
to
anyone
who's
able
to
answer
it.
Who
sets
the
agenda
for.
K
A
Well,
a
number
of
things,
so
the
standing
committee
agenda
is,
is
created
by
operation.
A
lot
of
it
is
created
by
operation
of
the
city
government.
So
let's
take
planning
and
development
that
agenda
occurs
because
the
step
before
that,
for
instance,
there's
a
development
for
on
the
pnd
agenda.
Well,
what
happened
before
that
was
the
plan
commission
met
several
times
and
recommended
up
or
down
on
that
and
before
that.
A
Chairs
have
discretion
with
respect
to
discussion
items,
for
instance,
if
p
d
has
a
lot
is,
is
very
heavy
and
they're
there.
You
know
they're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
people
come
to
comment,
there's
a
significant
amount.
The
p
d
chair
can
say:
let's
not
have
that
item
for
discussion
tonight,
because
we
won't
ever
get
to
it.
A
The
p
d
chair
can,
if,
if
you
know,
for
instance,
I'm
using
p
d
because
that's
when
we
frequently
have
very
long
meetings,
the
p
d
chair
would
discuss
with
the
staff.
Let's
not
have
two
big
developments
on
the
same
night,
because
you
know
you
won't
be
able
to
give
proper
attention
to
both.
So
with
the
extensive
extent
of
managing
and
and
other
council
members
can
discuss
it
with
the
extent
of
managing
the
time
of
what
happens
and
and
still
being
aware
of
timeliness
with
respect
to
items
there
are.
A
Sometimes
you
just
have
to
have
a
long
meeting,
because
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
must
happen:
contracts
that
need
to
be
renewed,
but
generally
the
staff
brings
things
to
if
it's
a
contract,
renewal
or
a
lease
renewal
on
software
or
something
like
that,
the
the
staff
brings
it
to
that
particular
committee
with
a
big
buffer
zone,
aware
that
there
is
that
it
could
get
bumped
because
of
something
else
taking
extra
long.
So.
C
There
are
also
times
where
the
chair
does
not
put
your
item
on
the
committee.
I
have
been
the
recipient
of
that
behavior
several
times
where
you
couldn't
hear
me
so
there's
also
times
when
the
chair
does
not
put
your
item
on
the
committee
agenda
right.
I've
been
the
recipient
of
that
several
times
or
I've
made
a
referral
or
made.
It
asked
something
to
go
on
the
committee
and
I'm
not
the
chair,
and
it
does
not
ever
make.
G
Right
so
I
guess
the
question
is:
does
the
committee
chair
have
any
authority
to
set
the
agenda
and
does
this
the
city
staff
have
the
authority
to
put
stuff
on
a
standing
committee
agenda
without
approval
of
of
that
committee's
chair?
No.
C
A
So
I
I
would
say
that,
for
I
don't
want
to
have
I
items
that
the
staff
are
are
bringing
to
a
committee
for
discussion
to
have
to
go
through
a
reference.
I.
C
So
I
I
people
have
made
the
comments
that
I
have,
but
I,
if
we
are
elected
by
the
people,
to
bring
forward
the
issues
of
the
people,
I
don't
know
why
our
issues
need
to
be.
In
such
a
I
mean.
I
think
our
issues
should
be
in
a
structure
whether
they
make
sense
in
our
referral
process
and
all
that,
but
then
that
the
staff
can
circumvent
that.
Obviously
we
have
bills
to
pay.
We're
always
going
to
have
things
that
are
immediate.
C
That
are
not
going
to
come
to
a
referral
committee
because
they're
just
things
we
do
and
they're
just
the
business
of
the
city,
and
I
don't
think
the
referrals
committee
or
anyone
else
is
going
to
object
to
that
because
it
didn't
go
through
that
right.
But
there
are
times
where
you
know.
We
have
these
time
limitations
on
our
own
conversation,
but
there
are
times
where
I
sit
through
a
20-slice
staff
presentation
with
no
time
limitation.
So
I
think,
if
we
are
being
honest,
this
my
experience
here
has
not
always
been
in
fairness
right.
C
It
has
been
in
you
know,
staff
sometimes
get
to
do
things
that
I
don't
get
to
do.
Are
you
raising
your
nicholas?
So
I
just
I
just
think
you
know.
C
I
don't
think
we
have
to
have
everything
that
is
the
business
of
the
city
to
go
through
this
referrals
committee
because
you're
right,
it's
not
a
referral,
but
there
are
times
where
staff
do
have
an
idea
about
whatever
it
is,
and
I
think
that
that
should
go
through
this
committee
so
that
it
is
put
on
an
agenda,
particularly
everyone
trying
to
you,
know,
watch
for
time
and
make
sure
people
have.
C
You
know
adequate
time
for
discussion
and
all
that
that
it
should
go
on
the
committee,
or
else
you
might
have
this
referral
committee
that
sending
things
through
and
trying
to
be
very
streamlined
and
conscious
and
give
everyone
enough
space
for
conversation,
and
you
look
up
and
the
city
manager
or
the
mayor,
whoever
else
it
is
says.
Well,
I
have
these
20
staff
presentations.
I
want
to
bring
forward.
Therefore,
the
things
that
the
council
has
brought
forward
needs
to
wait
at
the
next
week.
C
That
said
in
this
committee
here,
which
I'm
not
saying
is
the
case,
but
I
have
two
items
that
have
now
been
on
this
agenda
for
three
meetings
right
and
and
that
that
happens
because
of
timeliness.
But
I
think
if
there
is
not
a
system,
how
things
work
everyone's
things
work,
we
will
always
be
in
a
space
where
we
leave
a
lot
of
room
for
I'll,
say:
favorites
isn't
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
and
so
I
think
the
city
manager
knows
the
business
items.
C
We
all
will
kind
of
get
the
flow
of
the
business
items,
but
if
there
are
other
items
that
staff
things
are
so
fabulous
and
they
need
to
have
time,
I
don't
know
why
the
city
manager
or
the
you
know,
knowing
that
the
city
managed
report
how
it
always
has
things
on
there
would
say.
Hey
here
is
my
request
for
the
next
month
of
these
things
that
need
to
go
on.
A
Thank
you,
council,
member
fleming,
given
the
clarification
that
we've
just
had
in
this
discussion,
because
I
interpreted
staff
references
as
much
much
broader
than
I
think
the
discussion
has
indicated
that
it
would
be.
I
withdraw
my
motion.
I.
C
J
These
are
things
that,
generally
speaking,
the
staff
is
looking
out
for
because
we
actually
have
to
deal
with
the
city
code
and
the
regulations
of
the
city
that
council
members
might
not
because
you're
dealing
with
your
constituents,
so
that
would
be
an
example
or
examples
of
what
staff
referrals
tend
to
be.
You
know,
and
I.
A
C
Mr
cummings,
I
think
that
is
the
business
of
the
city
that
we
would
expect
you
to
say:
hey.
You
guys
need
to
do
this
by
october
1st,
and
it
would
you
know
it
would
be
done
we're
not
looking
for
a
five-page
memo,
and
I
mean
it
would
be
right
with
you.
We,
I
think
what
I'm
speaking
of
and
I
could
be
wrong.
Are
these
things
where
there
are
not
these
code
changes
these
legal
we're
not
going
to
tell
you
hey,
you
got
to
get
in
queue.
J
I
was
going
to
bring
up
the
parking
some
of
the
parking
pilots
as
well,
where
staff
initiated
referrals
about
you
know
where
we're
gonna
have
parking
for
a
particular
period
of
time,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
So
that's
I
just
want
to
give
those
examples
to
the
committee
for
consideration.
Why
you're?
In
the
midst
of
this
discussion.
A
Yes,
okay,
all
right,
let's
see,
I
have
two
more
lights,
but
I
do
think
I'm
mindful
of
the
time
we've
been
here
two
hours,
everyone-
and
I
don't
think
everyone
wants
to
stay
till
midnight
tonight.
I
don't
so
I
I'll
just
ask
councilmember,
reed
and
councilmember
kelly,
given
the
fact
that
I've
withdrawn
my
motion.
Do
you
still
want
to
speak
to
this
issue.
E
Wait
alderman.
O
Quick
question
so,
given
that
all
the
you
know,
items
of
the
city
functioning,
the
business
items
would
not
go
through
the
referral
committee,
but
other
items
such
as
those
that
I
mentioned,
is
there
any
reason
we
that
staff
shouldn't
consider
council
member
sponsorship
out
of
respect
to
the
residents
so
that
we
know
that
there
is
a
representative
up
here
that
is
b
stands
behind
other
items.
That
would
would
go
through
a
referral
committee.
I
I'm.
O
So,
for
example,
I'll
go
back
to
the
welsh
ryan.
I
don't
know
whether
the
vote
was
9-0
or
8-1
to
extend
northwestern's
pilot.
K
I
An
example
as
nick,
if
I'm
sorry
an
example
that
council
cummings
gave
such
as
parking
rates
or
changing
in
parking,
or
can
you
throw
out
one
of
the
examples
you
gave
that
staff.
I
I
Hotel
tax
amendment,
for
example-
that
is
a
tax
that
affects
you,
know
the
public
business
of
our
city
and
so
or
even
the
bills
list
I
mean.
Maybe
the
committee
chair
of
the
finance
committee,
or
whatever
committee
is
dealing
with
overseeing
expenditures,
should
sponsor
those
things
on
a
regular
basis
to
ensure
that
every
expenditure
has
you.
C
I
Is
clearly
understood
by
a
council
member
and
has
you
know
the
legislative
bodies
stamp
on
it
before
it
even
appears
on
an
agenda.
A
M
A
Are
things
that
that
all
of
us
would
agree
on
they?
They
need
to
come
to
the
council?
They
don't
need
a
council
member
to
sponsor
them.
These
are
things
that
are
that
need
to
be
addressed
because
of
the
function
of
the
state
law,
the
federal
law
contracts
that
are
coming
up.
I
think
the
referrals
committee
understands
that
I
do
not
think
we
need
to
have
a
council
member
who.
O
Could
be
attached
to
every
single
one?
What
if
the
referral
committee
were
to
so
say,
for
example,
the
elimination
of
public
notice
for
the
selling
of
public
property?
So
that
came
up.
But
if
they
were
to
review
that
and
say,
please
get
a
sponsor.
No,
but
but.
M
Again
the
clear
I
do
the
point
of
clarification,
and
maybe
it
may
help,
because
I
think
this
is
a
really
helpful
discussion.
So-
and
this
is
just
me
speaking,
our
role
as
city
council
is
like
high
level
forward
thinking
strategy
and
it's
unfortunate
that
we
didn't
like
participate
in
here
more
at
our
city
council
like
we
are
getting
way
into
the
weeds
of
our
operations
and
we
just
that's
not
our
role
in
function
like
we're.
M
A
city
manager
led
city,
and
I
and
I
understand-
and
I
appreciate
I
feel,
like
the
the
point
of
creating
this
referral
committee-
is
strictly
to
deal
with
like
our
ideation
and
our
ideas
like
I
want
to
make
sure,
and
I'm
asking
just
as
you
know,
madam
chair,
like
we're
keeping
the
function
of
what
our
city
staff
does
on
a
daily
basis
like
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
weeds
of
that.
Nor
do
I
want
that,
like
managed
by
council
members,
that's
what
we
pay
a
city
manager
for
so,
but
you
have.
A
On
hold
on
council,
I
have
ms
gandorsky
here
who
needs
to
make
a
comment:
good.
E
The
city
manager's
office
has
to
be
able
to
conduct
the
business
of
the
city
and
run
the
city
efficiently
and
to
put
everything
through
a
sponsorship
of
a
council.
Member
for
the
bills
list,
for
instance,
is,
is
not
efficient
and
also
is
probably
usurping.
The
role
of
the
city
manager's
office
would
be
my
opinion.
A
Okay,
I
have
council
member
reed
and
then
council
member
kelly,
and
then
I
think
we
have
discussed
this.
I
Certainly
I
I
just
do
want
to
note
that
again,
the
council's
function
is
legislative.
We
have
to
approve
the
bills
and
if
we
have
to
approve
the
bills
or
we
have
to
approve
the
expenditures,
ultimately,
that's
not
the
executive
function.
The
executive
function
is
yes,
the
day-to-day
operations,
but
if
it
was
the
city
manager's
realm
completely
in
law
was
on.
You
know
that
the
city
manager
had
complete
control
over
that.
Then
we
wouldn't
be
voting
on
those
items
and
we
would.
E
Getting
the
bills
on
the
city
council
agenda
is
the
function
of
the
city
manager's
office
to
make
sure
our
bills
are
paid
according
to
the
prompt
payment
act.
So
yes,
city,
council
reviews
the
bills
to
ensure
compliance
with
good
governance
and
that
you
know
you're,
seeing
where
the
budget's
going
and
that
your
constituents
understand
how
the
money
is
being
spent,
but
it.
But
we
have
to
get
those
bills
on
the
agenda
to
be
paid.
I
A
Council,
member
kelly,
I
I
think
we
have
we've
covered
this
issue
and
I
would
really
like
us
to
move
on
because
we
do
have
a
number
of
other
things.
Just.
O
A
J
Was
just
going
to
speak
to
councilmember
kelly's
concern,
and
I
certainly
understand
it
so
her
example
that
she
gave
about
eliminating
public
notice
was
more
so
about
trying
to
clarify
the
code
as
to
when
that
notice
is
given,
and
that
again
was
staff
driven
because
when
we're
trying
to
provide
notice,
we
don't
know
when
we
were
supposed
to
put
out
the
notice,
because
the
code
is
not
clear
right.
So
I
just
wanted
to.
A
There
are
many
times
when
the
staff
has
come
to
us
to
say
they
have
found
an
inconsistency
in
our
code
and
that's
their
that
that's
the
legal
department's
role,
that's
all
of
our
staff's
role
to
to
figure
out
if
there
is
inconsistency
in
our
code
and
to
bring
it
forward
if
one
of
us
finds
that
we
bring
it
forward
as
well,
but
generally
it's
the
city
staff
that
finds
that.
So
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
where
we
are
now
on
9.10.3.
A
So
yes,
councilmember.
G
L
Council
member
rebel:
well,
if
we
look
at
the
current
rules
before
being
amended,
there
was
a
for
a
sent
two
sentences
in
there
that
talked
about
referrals
to
committee's
boards
and
commissions.
L
You
know,
because,
right
now,
what
we've
got
in
front
of
us
is
reference
referrals
to
the
city
council's
standing
committee,
so
we've
dropped
the
language
that
talks
about
references
to
other
committee's
boards
or
commissions
which
are
approved
by
the
council,
shall
be
considered
by
that
committee
board
or
commission
prior
to
approval
of
such
reference.
The
council
shall
have
the
right
to
debate
the
motion
for
such
references
because
we
do
as
a
you
know,
as
aldermen
as
council
members
make
referrals
to
the
plan
commission,
for
example.
L
So
I
don't
know
if
that
language
got
kind
of
dropped
unintentionally,.
L
Ten,
it's
not
it's
part
of
the
current.
If
you
look
at
the
it,
the
pre-amended
version
of
ten
point
nine
point
ten
point
three
or
of
the
referral
section
it
had
it
had
that
portion
in
it
as
well.
A
And
that
that
is
an
important
portion.
So
do
you
have
the
page
in
the
packet
where
the
original
is
still
there.
K
J
But
I
think-
and
I
can't
speak
to
this-
it's
on
page
137
of
the
new
packet
is
the
old
language
and
I
think
the
reason
why
that
language
was
taken
out
is
because
the
way
that
the
old
language
was
written
city
council
can
make
direct
references.
J
J
Bodies
so
the
way
the
language
in
9.7
was
written
is
that
they
have
to
be
referred
to
a
board
committee,
commission
or
the
city
council,
ref
referrals
that
come
to
the
referrals
committee.
Okay,.
L
L
Okay,
I
just
you
know
as
long
as
we're
intentionally
making
you
know,
making
that
change.
A
O
Yeah
I
apologize
for
talking
more
about
this,
but
so
I
think
a
little
more
clarity
on
a
reference
on
a
referral.
Just
in
terms
that
is
only
comes
from
the
person
making
the
referral
correct,
it
doesn't
go
to
staff
for
any
work.
It
goes.
A
referral
comes
directly
from
the
person
making
the
referral
correct.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
all
right
all
right,
so
now
we
are
we're
looking
again
at
9.10.3,
so
now
we
are
back
to
approving
the
entire
change.
That
is
that's
here.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
miss
france,
elena?
Would
you
call
the
roll
on
9.10.3?
I
A
A
This
is
adding
additional
language.
I'm
sorry
was
that
you
peter,
so
this
is
adding.
If
you
look
at
it,
it's
adding
additional
language
that
I'll
read
it
into
the
record.
That
explains
the
definition
of
financial
expertise
shall
mean
individuals
who
have
held
senior
finance
positions
for
at
least
five
years
and
large
equal
to
or
greater
in
size
than
the
city,
private
or
public
organizations,
or
have
consulted
and
or
published
in
the
field
of
public
finance.
A
Okay,
so
let's
see
oh
shoot,
council
member
kelly
and
then
council
member
newsman.
A
G
B
Yeah
I
just
want
to
flag
that,
in
my
understanding
is
that
councilmember
newsman's
point
is
actually
could
be
broadened
out
significantly
that
a
number
of
the
changes
in
this
document
are
not
rendered
as
red
lines,
including
stuff
in
section
two
stuff
in
section
five
and
so
forth,
and
so
this
is
probably
the
worst
possible
time
to
br
to
bring
this
up
because
mr
comics
is
not
in
the
room.
But
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we
want
to
be
voting
on
tonight
that
we're
not
gonna
get
to.
A
A
J
So,
on
june,
7th
this
body
determined
that
it
wanted
to
have
a
budget
and
finance
committee.
The
language
that
was
proposed
was
given
by
council
member
fleming
that
language
was
debated.
It
is
now
here
in
91131.
G
Then
I
will,
if
I
still
have
the
floor.
Yes,.
K
G
And
my
understanding,
then,
is
that
911.3.1
exists
as
it's
written
in
front
of
us.
I
do
have
a
comment
on
the
red
line
in
front
of
us.
The
financial
expertise
show
me
an
individual
section.
I
feel
that
that
is
perhaps
too
specific
and
in
light
of
our
desire
to
emphasize
equity,
I
would
like
to
give
the
mayor
some
more
latitude
in
appointing
community
members
to
that
position
without
being
so
specific
about
what
the
requirements
are.
J
So,
just
to
point
out,
council
member
news
was
0.9.11.
Point
three
point
three
identifies
three
residents
with
financial
expertise,
so
I
asked.
J
And
so
that's
what
the
suggestion
was:
we're
open
to
more
suggestions,
but
if
you
want
to
limit
the
way
that,
if
you
want
to
limit
who
should
have
the
financial
expertise,
you
need
to
amend
the
sentence
before
it
that
talks
about
the
three
residents.
So
it's
a
council
member
reed's
point
if
it's
only
one
member,
if
it's
two
members
right
now,
the
way
it's
read
or
written
is
all
three.
You
need
to
have
some
sort
of
financial
aid.
G
K
J
K
G
Yeah
yeah,
I'm
suggesting
we.
We
scrap
that
the
red
line
section
here
ultimate
braithwaite
councilmember
breith,
has
a
different
opinion.
M
Well,
it's
just
it's
just
clarification,
I
mean
for
me
it's
almost
like
we're
creating
an
efficiency
here,
because
I
see-
and
I
understand
that
apnw
does
something
very
similar,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
and
I'll
use
the
example
that
I've
heard
whoever
authored
this
can
speak
up.
Jamie
pet
collier.
M
His
name
has
been
mentioned
several
times
throughout
this
discussion,
and
so
I
I
find
her
insight.
You
know
valuable
in
terms
of
how
she
you
know,
looks
at
the
lens.
If
our
staff
looks,
is
it
horizontal,
she'll,
look
vertical
and
and
for
whomever
is
going
to
serve
on
this
midi
committee?
If
we're
going
to
take
advice
from
residents
as
it
pertains
to
the
budget,
I
would
would
hope
that
there
would
be
some
component
of
finance
a
part
of
this
committee.
M
M
What
type
of
accounting
are
there
different
accounting
standards
that
they're
specifically
trained
in
as
it
relates
to
municipal
budgets
versus
the
average
outside
person
coming
in
to
this
discussion?
Because
again,
if
I
saw
value
in
it
and
if
I
wanted
to
be
on
this
committee,
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
like
clearly
defined,
who
is
in
it.
E
Sure
I'm
not
a
cpa,
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
to
be
one,
but.
M
E
Understanding
on
a
high
level
is
that
our
cfo
is
a
cpa
who
has
a
specific
training
in
in
government
accounting.
Kate,
lewis,
lakin
is
also
a
budget
management
analyst,
and
then
we
have
tashiq
kher
who's,
a
management
analyst
as
well.
They,
their
specific
backgrounds,
are
in
government
finance
and
that
entails.
You
know,
bond
debts
that
entails
tax
levies.
That
entails
many
things
that
a
regular
or
a
business
cpa
may
not
have
to
consider
in
terms
of,
or
you
know,
an
s
corp
or
an
llc
type
of
a
structure.
E
E
M
It
it
doesn't.
Maybe
this
is
where
the
mayor
will
ask
him
to
come
back
in
to
define
it.
I
just
think,
if
you're
going
to
make
a
bid
of
a
brand
new
committee,
that,
from
from
my
perspective,
duplicates
the
role
of
administrative
and
public
works,
that
we
should
at
least
put
individuals
who
are
going
to
serve
with
five
aldermen,
similar
to
the
weight
that
economic
economic
development
carries,
that
you
want
someone
with
expertise
to
the
same
level
that
you
would
want.
A
And
I
I'll
just
bring
in
some
of
my
past
history
again
on
the
council
a
number
of
years
ago,
when
we
were
facing
a
significant
decision
about
our
pensions.
There
was
there
were
several
very,
very
different
suggestions
that
were
being
floated
in
front
of
the
council
on
how
to
address
our
serious
pension
problem.
At
that
point,
it
was
mayor
tisdale,
who
was
the
mayor.
A
She
appointed
a
blue
ribbon
task
force
to
study
the
issue
of
municipal
pensions
in
illinois
and
and
come
back
to
us
with
their
recommendations
that
blue
ribbon
panel
was.
It
was
astonishing.
I
mean
the
people
who
were
here
in
evanston
and
and
that
we
ultimately
made
a
very
smart
well-advised
decision
because
of
them
to.
G
Clarify
my
point
here:
I'm
not
suggesting
we
appoint
enough
financial
neophytes
to
this
committee.
Indeed,
we
should
appoint
financial
experts
to
this
committee.
I
just
don't
think
we
need
to
define
it
quite
so
prescriptively
and
my
perspective
here
is
informed
by
my
experience
on
the
utilities
commission,
where
there
is
you
know,
by
city
code,
language
that
suggests
that
applicants
to
serve
on
the
utilities
commissions
should
be
an
engineer
or
have
some
background
in
in
the
business.
G
But
it
also
says
it's
not
explicitly
required,
so
the
citizen
with
an
interest
in
that,
even
though
they
haven't
worked
in
that
or
they
might
not
have
a
degree
in
that
area-
is
allowed
to
participate
in
the
utilities
commission.
Ultimately,
it's
up
to
the
mayor
to
make
that
appointment,
the
city
council
to
ratify
those
appointments.
G
So
in
the
interest
of
trying
to
diversify
the
representation
of
the
city's
utilities.
Commission,
you
know
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
utilities
commission
was
not
all
white
guys,
which
was
the
funnel.
That
was
leading
to
the
utilities
commission
because
that,
unfortunately,
is
what
you
get
when
you're
asking
for
engineers
and
so
in
an
effort
to
cast
a
wider
net
and
diversify,
at
least
on
the
utilities.
Commission.
I
wanted
to
not
be
quite
so
prescriptive
in
who
we
were
asking
to
participate
here.
G
I
Yeah,
I
will
just
say
I
seconded
this
motion.
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
have
some
public
members
with
financial
expertise.
I
That
you
know
it's
a
moral
document
as
well,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
representatives
who
not
only
bring
the
you
know,
kind
of
cold
financial
aspect
of
it,
but
also
the
moral
aspect
to
the
to
the
document
to
review
everything.
We're
doing
so.
That's
why
I
seconded
this.
I
would
hope
that
we
would
amend
this
to.
I
A
All
right,
council,
member
kelly.
J
A
C
Okay,
I
just
would
because
you
know
I
feel
like
we're
getting
way
down
into
the
weeds,
but
in
our
other
boards
and
commissions
I
think,
like
a
mental
health
board,
which
is
very
different,
but
there
was
this,
like
you
know,
experience
with
xyz,
and
you
know
there
was
some
guidelines,
but
it
wasn't
so
clear
cuz.
I
appreciate
that
we
are
trying
to
be
very
clear-cut.
But
again
you
know.
If
you
have
somebody
who's
held
a
senior
finance
position.
What?
C
If
they've
held
a
junior
finance
position,
they
still
might
bring
some
value
to
the
table
if
they've
been
somewhere
three
years
versus
five
years,
you
know
so
and
then
the
idea
published
in
a
field
of
public
finance.
While
I
appreciate
that
I
read
enough
publications
to
know
everyone
who
publishes
is
not
necessarily
an
expert
and
so
yeah,
I
think
we
need
we
to
automate
ways
point
we
want
to
have
someone
who
has
some
expertise,
but
I
think
expertise
down
to
this
really
fine
detail
might
be
too
much.
It
might
discourage
people.
C
A
I
just
want
to
say
we
have
a
motion
on
the
floor.
It's
been
seconded
we've
had
our
discussion.
Is
everyone
comfortable
voting
now,
council?
Member
kelly,
you
turn
on
your
light
again.
Can
I
amend
the
amendment.
O
Sure
can
I
amend
the
amendment
to
strike
the
word
senior
change
five
years
to
two
years
period
and
leave
it
at
that
and
strike
the
rest
so
that
we
do
ensure
fine
financial
expertise.
I
don't
want
to
strike
the
entire
idea
of
having
financial
expertise,
but
to
reduce
it.
To
financial
expertise
shall
mean
individuals
who
have
held
finance
positions
for
at
least
two
years.
A
Appropriate
it
was
an
amendment-
okay,
all
right
so
miss
france,
and
would
you
call
the
role.
K
O
I
believe
council
member
bravery
wants
to
amend
the
amendment.
M
A
M
O
K
M
O
G
J
And
so
he
he's
suggesting
to
leave
it
vague,
there's
some
discussion
about
that
you're
suggesting
that
we
narrow
down.
So
the
amendment
on
the
floor
is
unless
all
the
councilmember
braithwaite
is
going
to
amend,
that
is
to
have
financial
expertise,
showing
individuals
who
have
held
finance
positions
for
at
least
two
years
period.
J
A
G
I
K
A
D
O
Okay,
point
of
clarification:
should
we
vote?
Did
we
just
put
on
nine
no
3.1
also.
O
K
B
So
we
have
to
decide
if
we're
comfortable,
taking
an
up
or
down
vote
on
all
the
things
that
are
in
this
section
of
the
packet
that
are
not
yet
in
the
rules,
but
that
are
not
redlined
either
because
mr
cummings
included
them
in
the
packet
because
we
all
agreed
on
them
without
voting.
Last
time.
Yes,.
C
A
Well
hold
on
one
second:
we
need
to
discuss
this
larger
issue,
though,
that
the
the
mayor
has
raised
so
because
we
we
discussed
and
agreed,
but
not.
We
voted
on
some
things
at
the
last.
A
Actually,
we
did
not
vote
on
anything
at
the
last
meeting
so
to
be
consistent
with
this
meeting,
then
we
would
need
to
go
back
to
that
meeting
and
look
at
the
red
line
from
that
and
approve
all
of
that
unless
we
want
to
take
a
break.
I.
C
A
And
that
was
our
discussion.
Our
discussion
was,
we
would
put
it
all
on
the
next
meeting
this,
which
now
is
this
meeting
right
and
that
we
would
approve
it
at
this
meeting,
because
we
had
a
number
of
other
things
to
do
right.
C
I'm
sorry
so
I
was
going
to
move
that
we
approved
everything
that
was
verbally
approved
last
week,
but
to
council
members
point.
Maybe
because
we're
almost
done
with
the
red
line.
Can
we
finish
the
last
red
line
and
then
just
approve
the
whole
thing
as
written
and
as
amended
tonight,
yeah
mayor
bishop.
B
A
B
A
C
J
So
point
a
point
of
order:
councilmember
kelly
did
make
a
motion
to
strike
the
word
bills
from
nine
eleven
three
one,
but
there
was
not
a
second
yet.
I
think
the.
A
Second,
that's
right.
I
I
held
her
off
because
I
wanted
to
just
finish
this
other
thing,
so
sorry
about
that,
I'm
trying
to
keep
track
of
the
threads.
So
yes,
so
now
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
strike
bills
from
nine
point.
A
Okay,
nine
point
eleven
point,
three
point:
one:
yes
all
right,
would
you
please
take
the
role
ms
franchelno.
K
A
Okay,
I
so
at
this
point
that
completes
our
red
line.
As
far
as
I
can
tell
that.
I
A
A
Yes,
yes,
go
ahead,
councilmember
reid,
thank.
I
You
I
just
want,
I
hope
we
can
do
this
quickly.
There
is
a
an
item,
a
rule
amendment
that
I've
had
on
the
rules
agenda
for
a
couple
of
meetings
as
well.
That
did
not,
for
some
reason
make
it
into
these
red
lines,
which
was
to
change
rule
18.11,
to
only
allow
council
members
and
a
vote
of
the
council
to
place
an
item
on
the
agenda
as
a
special
order
of
business.
J
So
if
I
can
respond
to
that
councilmember
reed,
that
was
a
separate
agenda
item
on
the
last
agenda,
and
so
it
was
meant.
My
understanding,
at
least
when
I
went
through
these
red
lines,
was
that
it
would
be
taken
up
with
another
amendment
that
was
also
separate
on
the
july
and
the
july
meeting.
But.
J
The
references
came
up
at
june
7th
to
be
added
to
the
rule
book.
I
asked
specifically
if
we
would
include
the
the
two
references
that
you
made
that
were
on
the
agenda
and
the
committee
the
direction
the
staff
was
given
at
that
time
was
no
and
that
1811
and
there
was
one
other
one.
I
can't
remember
what
it
is.
J
And
that
would
be
taken
up
at
the
next
at
the
next
meeting
in
july,
when
we
held
everything
over
all
the
items:
r
2,
r,
3,
r,
4
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
So
the
only
thing
that
was
carried
to
this
meeting
was
the
rule
book
and
then
all
of
those
other
items
were
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
in
july,
yeah.
I
I
understand
I
would
like
to
ask
for
clarification
from
the
chair
which
again
poor
timing,
why
those
items
were
not.
Why
was
there
a
bifurcation
of
those
items?
Why
were
my
amendments
to
the
rules
not
included
in
this
packet
and
the
other?
The
other
ones
were.
J
B
I
mean
I
I
I'm
just
I'm
just
advising
here,
but
my
understanding
of
what
happened
was
that
referrals
to
the
rules
committee
became
separate
agenda
items
and
then
separately.
An
agenda
item
was
sort
of
created
by
acclimation,
which
is
hey.
Let's
go
through
the
rules.
So
then,
when
we
got
to
june
7th,
there
was
like
the
council
member
referral
agenda
item
separate
from
the
just:
let's
go
through
the
rules,
general
discussion
and
the
all
the
agenda
items.
Besides,
let's
go
through
the
rules
wound
up
getting
tabled
so.
I
M
Made
a
suggestion,
since
I
don't
have
it
written
in
front
of
me
or
anyone
else,
it's
not
it.
It
makes
it
difficult,
councilmember
reed
to
incorporate
it.
So
if
you
would
like
to
circulate
it,
I
didn't
have
the
benefit
of
seeing
it,
send
it
all
to
our
email
addresses,
and
then
we
know
that
it's
been
calendared
for
the
july
meeting.
M
Understood
where
are
we
with
the
agenda
all
right,
we're
at
18.13,
that's
redlined
in
our
genders?
Is
there?
Are
there
any
changes,
seeing
no
lights.
Councilmember
newspaper
is
the
first
number.
G
G
I
submit
that
we
should
not
have
to
ask
make
a
special
request
for
this
information,
and
this
information
should
be
provided
as
a
matter
of
course
by
staff
in
the
memos
going
to
council
and
would
propose
that
we
not
therefore
include
section
18.13,
as
drafted
in
our
notes
in
our
in
our
rules,
but
put
the
responsibility
on
staff
to
address
these
issues
in
their
council
member
council
in
their
memos
to
council.
G
This
also
gives
us
some
flexibility.
You
know,
should
our
priorities,
change,
which
I
think
we
expect
that
they
will
throughout
the
process
of
our
strategic
plan,
so
yeah
I
will
suggest-
and
if
I
need
to
make
this
as
a
motion,
we
do
not
adopt
18.13.
I
I
I
I
I
Someone
can
request
a
financial
note
and
then
it's
held
into
that
financial
note
is
fulfilled
and
then
it
comes
back
and
then
someone
can
say:
hey
guess
what
I
want
an
equity
note
and
then
the
equity
note
appears
and
it's
held,
and
so
I
I
do
think
I
think
alderman
newsome
just
said
it.
If
he
didn't.
I
He
said
in
an
email
earlier
that
we
can
use
the
normal
process,
the
normal
hold
process
to
allow
for
more
time
on
an
on
an
issue,
and
that
requires
two
council
members,
rather
than
just
one
council,
member
unilaterally
being
able
to
hold
off
on
an
item.
K
J
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
to
council
members
point
at
the
time
we
were
discussing
this
on
june
7.
There
was
no
language
because
we
didn't
have
language
to
present
in
a
red
line.
So
that's
why
it
wasn't
included
with
the
rest
of
the
changes
and
why
it
is
redlined,
because
now
we
have
language.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
that's
why
it
wasn't
already
included
like
some
of
the
other
changes.
C
Yeah,
so
we
we
to
jonathan
mr
newsman's
point.
We
did
used
to
do
this
when
you
pointed
out
your
email
for
equity
or
whatever
it
used
to
be,
and
I
don't
know
why
that
you
know
fell
off
the
radar
for
the
items.
I
did
send
everyone
earlier
today,
a
copy
of
a
financial
note
that
the
county
uses,
and
so
that
is
a
little
bit
more
elaborate
than
your
proposal
of
just
kind
of
a
few
sentences.
I
would
like
I'm
happy
to
you
know,
support
your
motion.
C
If
we're
talking
about
you
know
something
really
major
and
it's
going
to
impact
our
budget,
we're
going
to
need
it,
and
I
would
rather
have
that
in
a
note
form
that
goes
out
to
the
public,
that
we
have
time
to
digest,
that
we
have
questions
to
ask
versus
having
staff
here.
Trying
to
off
the
cuff,
explain
something
or
to
sit
through
a
staff
presentation.
C
So
I'm
happy
to
support
your
you
know,
proposal
as,
but
I
would
like
to
leave
the
ability
to
have
people
either
have
staff
or
have
you
know
us
ask
for
a
more
detailed
note,
depending
on
the
matter.
Also,
regarding
council
member
reed's
point,
I
you
know,
I
don't
think
that
you
should
be
able
to
hold
this
if
the
note
is
not
fulfilled,
because
that
might
not
be
that
you
know
that
might
be
a
staff
issue
or
you
know
a
staff
side
of
town
or
stick
or
whatever
then
no
can't
be
fulfilled.
C
It
might
be
that
we
decide
as
a
council.
We
don't
have
enough
information
that
night
to
vote
on
something
without
you
know
more
elaborate,
note
or
presentation,
but
I
don't
like
the
idea
that,
if
the
note's
not
fulfilled,
then
we
can't
you
know,
move
on
the
business.
C
You
know,
depending
on
what
the
business
is.
Obviously
a
budget
thing
is
it's
very
different,
so
I'm
assuming
mrs
skindersky,
you
might
and
I'm
guessing
you
might
have
some
concerns
about
what
this
does
for
staff
time
in
the
memos,
but
before
they
were
really
like
three
sentences,
it
was
not
an
entire
analysis.
You
know.
If
I'm
asking
for
something
again,
that's
a
real
financial
thing.
C
E
I
just
want
the
council
to
be
mindful
of
time
framing
to
council
member
reed's
point
when
staff
bring
a
memo
for
an
agenda
item
for
council
that
has
to
be
brought
to
the
administrative
staff
at
least
seven
days
in
advance
and
that's
a
perfectly
drafted
memo,
because
it
takes
time
for
the
agenda
to
be
created
and
we
have
to
notice
that
properly.
So,
the
more
I
guess
requirements
you
put
in
you
know
we
can
fulfill
that
it
just
the
time
it
might
take
staff.
E
For
instance,
I
give
you
an
example:
there's
an
agenda
item
coming
up
on
monday,
where
I've
had
to
have
five
different
units
from
three
different
departments
put
in
their
piece
on
it,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
incorporated
and
enough
information
for
the
council
to
consider
the
first
time
so
budget
carp
goals,
equity
goals.
E
We
were
looking
at
all
of
that
and
not
to
mention
you
know
this
is
involved
in
engineering
analysis,
so
in
a
map
analysis.
So
we
were
looking
at
all
of
that
and
I
think
it
was
touched
by
three
different
departments
and
that
took
at
least
three
weeks
to
draft.
So
just
just
giving
an
example.
Of
course
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
the
council
is
well
informed,
but
to
council
member
reed's
point.
You
know
the
council
does
have
a
mechanism
to
request
more
information
or
hold
an
item
if
more
information
is
needed.
C
Can
I
reply
to
that
since
that,
just
for
clarification-
and
I
do
appreciate
you
know-
we
do
have
staff,
but
I
feel
like
sometimes
we
go
very
far
down
with
the
staff
needs
and
we
are
rep.
We
are
here
to
represent
what
the
people
need
right,
and
so
I
think
the
jonathan
suggestion
again
looking
at
you,
you
weren't
here,
mr
just
kendersky,
but
we
used
to
have
an
equity
line
and
it
was
literally
two
lines.
C
Some
are
good
and
some
are
just
not
good,
and
so
I
think
if
we
can
maybe
make
a
better
outline
and
then
staff
knows
what
we're
looking
for
to
plug
in
obviously
there'll
be
times
where
we
need
more
information
and
times
when
we
don't-
and
I
want
to
respect
staff
time.
But
I
mean
we
are
not
paid
to
do
that
job,
and
so
we
rely
on
you
all,
and
so
I
think
you
know
I
don't
want
to
discount
with
my
residence
need
because
of
staff
time.
C
I
don't
want
to
burn
stuff
out
either,
and
I
think
if
a
memo
takes
three
weeks,
because
it's
very
elaborate,
then
that's
something
that,
through
this
new
process
is
communicated
and
the
council
member
who
asks
for
it
just
needs
to
understand
it's
going
to
take
more
time,
because
three
departments
are
working
on
it
and
we
have
to
as
or
whoever
is
on.
The
referrals
committee
has
to
set
those
expectations
and
have
a
lot
of
communication
as
well,
so
that
everyone's
needs
to
be
met.
C
But
I
just
I
don't
want
our
citizens
to
think
that
we're
prioritizing
staff
time
more
than
when
they're
prioritizing
their
needs,
and
so
I
just
I
needed
to
be
clear
with
that
for
the
residences
I
support.
So,
if
you're
already
having
staff,
do
that
that's
great,
and
maybe
they
don't
have
to
even
write
as
much
anymore,
they
just
kind
of
right
fill
in
the
blank
from
kind
of
a
different
memo.
We
use
because
the
memos
used
to
even
be
formatted
in
a
kind
a
little
bit
of
a
different
way.
C
That
was
easy
for
the
public
to
digest.
So
I
think,
there's
a
there's
a
way
to
get
it
done,
because
most
of
these
things
probably
are
not
going
to
apply
for
every
referral
that's
even
made,
and
then
we
just
know
that
at
least
staff
has
thought
about
that
thing,
whether
it's
judicial
or
fiscal
or
whatever.
G
Remember
fleming
our
council,
member
fleming:
are
you
suggesting
we
keep
18.13
as
drafted,
but
also
request
the
memos
to
be
formatted,
as
I've
suggested.
C
I
don't
necessarily
care
about
formatting,
I
just
I'm
thinking
about
the
old
formatting.
It
wasn't
like
the
equity,
you
know
note,
or
the
equity
line
was
so
elaborate.
It
was
you
know
pretty
simple
right,
so
I
don't
need
to
get
into
how
staff
need
to
format
the
paper
necessarily.
C
I
do
think
that
having
a
line
or
two
on
these
things,
if
they
apply
to
the
referral,
makes
sense,
since
mr
university
said
they're
already
doing
that
and
then,
if
again,
if
the
staff
or
the
council
feel
like
they
need
more
information
for
something
that
can
be
done
in
a
more
elaborate
fashion,
but
if
she's
already
having
staff
think
through
all
of
our
goals
and
just
kind
of
writing
it
on
the
memo,
then
that
should
already
fulfill
what
we're
looking
for.
C
E
I
think
I
feel
like
we're
saying
the
same
thing.
I
don't
we're
not
I'm
not
trying
to
prioritize
staff
time
over
council's
time
or
what
the
residents
need.
I
think
we're
saying
the
same
thing.
A
Okay,
so
I
stepped
out
for
a
minute,
so
do
council,
member
newsmen,
did
you
so.
B
I
A
All
right
so
can
we
call
the
role
on
that.
K
C
J
O
A
B
And
I
mean
I
I
understand
where
the
concerns
are
coming
from
and
it's
I
think
that
questions
before
us
are
good
questions.
I
don't
have
strong
feelings
about,
so
I
don't
have
an
objection
to
just
just
supporting
council
member
new
smith's
motion.
I
am
with
council
member
fleming,
council
members
fleming
and
kelly.
I
I
think
getting
our
arms
around.
This
is
important.
I
I
I,
I
think,
having
a
mechanism
to
make
sure
that
we
have
this
information
in
front
of
us
before
it's
time
to
vote
is
really
valuable.
B
B
I
think
the
question
that
councilmember
reed
poses
of
could
this
be
used
as
a
sort
of
malicious
tool
to
hold
stuff
up
is
a
is
a
good
question
too,
but
if
we
vote
yes
and
and
then
given
the
fact,
that's
905
move
on
which
I
would
hope
we
do.
Yes,
I
think
it's
really
worth
you
know.
Thinking.
K
E
A
J
Councilmember
kelly
was
asking
if
we
can
move
to
hold
this
particular
proposal.
G
G
M
M
I
D
A
This
18
point
we're.
A
A
If
we
are
planning
to
now,
we
need
to
approve
all
of
it.
Yes,
all
right
and
mayor
mayor
biss,
then
council,
member
burns
and
council
member
revell,
then
council,
member,
reed,
okay,
so
bis
burns,
rebelle
and
reid.
Okay,.
B
I
move
that
we
accept
all
the
agreements
arrived
at
at
our
last
rules
meeting
as
memorialized
in
this
packet,
in
the
form
of
all
changes
that
are
not
redlined.
M
N
J
So
the
language
that
I
took
down
for
9.7
to
make
an
amendment
should
read.
The
sole
duty
of
this
committee
shall
be
to
consider
references
made
by
the
mayor
and
all
the
person
or
the
city
manager
and
shall
be
on
a
shell
based
on
a
transparent
and
established
set
of
criteria.
Refer
them
to
a
board
commission,
I'm
sorry
board
committee,
commission
or
the
city
council
with
instructions
as
to
whether
they
shall
appear
on
the
relevant
agenda
for
discussion,
introduction
or
action
or
with
a
request
a
particular
alder
person,
introduction
and
action.
J
I
do
have
rotation
information,
the
first
alder
person
shall
serve
for
two
years
and
the
rules
committee
shall
appoint
all
the
persons
annually
in
accordance
with
nine
point
three
a
so
that
that's
like
a
separate
sentence,
but
that
first
sentence
that
council
member
newsman
had
proposed
is
what
I
was
reading.
But,
yes,
there
is
additional
language
concerning
about
the
rotation
as
well.
Did.
N
N
N
J
But
the
way
that
it
reads
currently
is
shall
based
on
a
transparent
and
established
set
of
criteria,
refer
them
to
a
board.
So
there
is
clear
direction
that
it
has
to
be
referred
to
a
board
committee
or
commission
or
city
council,
based
on
the
the
transparent
and
established
set
of
criteria.
N
So
I
have
the
sole
duty
of
this
committee
shall
be
to
consider
references
made
by
the
mayor
or
an
order
person
or
the
city
manager
and
send
each
referral
to
a
board
committee,
commission
or
city
council
with
instructions
as
to
not
whether,
but
when
they
shall
appear
on
the
relevant
agenda
for
discussion.
And
then
everything
else
is
the
same.
A
But
the
I'm
then
I'm
I
may
have
missed
something,
but
we
didn't.
J
And
I'm
only
speaking
on
this
because,
as
attorneys
we
deal
with
like
where
stuff
is
in
a
sentence,
makes
a
difference,
so
the
weather
is
actually
ratifying.
If
it's
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
for
discussion,
introduction
or
action,
okay,
not
whether
it's
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
at
all,
it's
going
to
be
on
the
agenda,
it's
just
a
matter
of
if
it's
going
to
be
for
introduction,
action
or
discussion.
J
N
J
There
is
no
direction
to
put
it
on
the
committee
commission
or
board,
or
even
the
city
council
agenda
after
it's
referred,
and
I
think
that
goes
back
to
my
point
about
priorities
that
are
left
in
the
hands
of
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager,
but
the
referrals
committee.
The
way
this
is
currently
drafted
does
specifically
have
to
give
it
to
a
board
committee
or
commission
with
instructions
on
if
it's
going
to
be
on
there
for
introduction
action
or
discussion.
I
N
J
J
To
that
committee,
the
committee,
the
commission
or
the
city
council
and
in
those
situations
the
chair
of
each
of
those
standing
committees,
I'm
not
really
sure
about
the
boards
and
commissions
they
set
their
own
rules,
but
they
determine
their
own
agenda.
Just
like
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
determine
the
agenda
for
city
council.
J
M
N
J
J
The
chair
can
do
about
that,
because
it's
required
to
be
on
that
agenda
based
upon
the
process
of
how
things
are,
are
done
for
people
who
are
applying
for
variances
and
trying
to
do
developments,
but
other
items
may
not
appear
on
that
on
that
particular
agenda
that
meets
every
two
weeks,
because
maybe
the
chair
says
okay,
we
have
a
lot
of
developments
to
discuss
at
pmd
based
upon
what
all
came
out
of
the
plan
commission.
So
this
particular
item
might
not
make
it
to
june
14th.
It
might
have
to
wait
till
june
28th.
J
N
L
I'm
not
sure
whether
this
is
where
this
goes.
I
just
I
had
a
question
for
clarification
about
item
25,
extraordinary
votes.
O
L
Yeah,
it's
it's
c.
It
says
it's
this
one
about
passage
of
a
unique
use.
When
thirty
percent
of
property
owners
file
file
with
the
city
clerk,
a
written
protest
I
mean
so,
do
we
have
an
example
of
what
a
unique
use
is.
J
So
not
not!
This
is
not
quite
on
point,
but
the
litigation
involving
the
pumping
station
in
the
fifth
ward,
that
was
actually
a
municipal
use
exemption
and
that
code
has
since
been
amended
to
require
notice
for
residents
that
live
within
500
feet
of
a
proposed
municipal
use
exemption.
J
This
language
in
our
city
code
is
somewhat
similar
to
that,
except
it's
for
unique
use,
and
I
can't
recall,
under
the
code,
what
qualifies
as
a
unique
use,
but
their
our
code
requires
notice
of
the
potential
for
the
council
to
pass
a
unique
use,
and
if
there
are
a
certain
number
of
property
owners
that
live
within
a
thousand
feet
that
file
a
written
protest,
then
in
order
to
override.
A
C
A
Was
the
mansion
right
when
the
person,
when
district
65
sold
that
to
move
into
the
joseph
hill
building
there
was
the
the
purchaser
wanted
to
divide
it
up,
but
not
as
as
we've
had
other
large
estates
divided
up
and
then
developed
by
that
developer.
The
purchaser
wanted
to
divide
it
up
and
sell
off
the
individual
lots
and
then
on
top
of
it-
and
I
think
this
may
have
also
been
complicating
it.
The
house,
which
I
think
is
called
the
dryden
mansion,
is
a
on
the
national.
A
It's
a
landmark
from
the
standpoint
of
not
just
the
the
house
itself,
but
also
the
prospect
of
the
house.
So
the
view
you
get
from
ridge
to
the
house
is
protected.
So
we
had
our
zoning
department
drafted
a
unique
use
for
this
unique
site
that
we
didn't
have
anything
else
like
it
before
or
I
don't
think.
We've
had
anything
like
it
since.
A
Once
but
it
was
so
that
those
individual
lots
could
be
sold
and
developed
individually
with
some
common
aspect
of
it.
And
we
did
not
have
that
that
in
our
zoning
ordinance-
and
we
also
were
concerned
that
we
do
it
only
one
time,
because
we
weren't
sure
of
what
the
potential
effect
would
be.
A
Now
I
have
okay,
I've
lost
track
of
everybody,
so
I
think
council,
member
fleming
and
then
council
member.
C
Kelly,
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
where
we
are.
I
thought
we
have
voted
on
everything
we
were
voting
on
tonight
and
then
I
mean
called
some
person
reid
brought
up
that
that
he
had
two
things
for
the
agenda
that
were
not
on
the
agenda.
You
know
two
things
are
rules
that
were
not
on
the
agenda
tonight,
but
they
were
going
to
be
spoken
by
next
week.
So
now
I'm
confused
if
we're
going
to
just
open
the
floor
for
general
rules,
questions
or
we're
going
to
have
those
or
for
the
later
agenda.
A
Could
be
wrong,
let
me
clarify
so
we
needed
to
complete
the
this.
The
issues
here
in.
A
C
A
A
I
understand
your
point:
okay,
so
alderman
ravel,
I
I'm
sorry.
I
let
you
go
on
like
that.
L
J
Very
needed
change
that
was
discussed
on
june
7th.
That
was
not
redlined
today.
It's
rule
6.2,
for
example,
which
allows
for
remote
participation
by
residents.
This
was
discussed.
Everybody
said
yes,
but
it
never
was
voted
on
officially,
so
that
change
was
made
to
allow
for
remote
participation
by
residents,
and
so
the
motion
on
the
floor
is
to
accept
all
of
the
changes
such
like,
like
that
one,
as
well
as
the
ones
discussed
tonight
in
the
document.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
that's
the
motion
on
the
floor
and
it's
been
seconded
and
I
have
a
number
of
leather
lights
on
and
I
don't
know
whether
it's
to
discuss
that
or
or
whether
okay
mayor's
is
not
okay.
So
no!
No.
If
if
we
could
vote
on.
A
I
have
your
name
if
we
could
vote
on
this.
If
you
have
something
with
respect
to
this
motion,
let's
move
forward:
okay,
yes,
councilmember
reed,.
I
I
have
something
with
respect
to
this
motion
and
separately
to
the
referral.
I
So,
first
I'll
I'll,
because
I
was
waiting
after
council
member
burns
raised
issues
about
the
referral
committee.
I
just
do
want
to
note
that
you
know
if
the
chair
gets
to
choose
the
committee
agenda
schedule
and
you
know
if,
if
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
get
to
choose
the
council
agenda,
the
referral
committee
is
as
it's
drafted
now
is
only
meeting
to
set
the
disposition
of
an
item
whether
it's
for
introduction
action
or
discussion.
I
If
the
committee
can't
set
when
it
appears-
and
so
I
just
will
leave
that
there
and
then
secondly,
I
would
think
it
would
make
sense
to
we've.
We've
made
these
amendments
and
these
changes.
There
are
a
few
other
rules,
amendments
that
are
on
the
docket
for
the
next
meeting.
I
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
adopt
to
incorporate
all
of
that
into
one
unified
document
and
adopt
it
all
at
the
same
time,
instead
of
you
know
adopting
creating
a
document
putting
on
the
website
that
says
the
whatever
today's
date
is,
the
june
21st
rules
of
the
city
council
and
then
two
weeks
later,
coming
back
and
adopting
another.
You
know
july
7th
version
of
the
rules
for
the
city
council.
I
It's
not
often
that
we
change
rules
and
I
think,
we're
having
a
kind
of
a
large
dis,
robust
discussion
about
the
rules
here
at
the
beginning
of
the
term,
and
I
just
think
it
makes
sense
to
adopt
everything
at
the.
At
the
same
time.
A
All
right,
mayor
bis:
did
you
have
your
light
on
council
member
newsmen?
Did
you
okay?
Could
you
call
the
role.
I
I
guess
my
my
questions.
I'd
like
to
hold
the
actual
vote
on
this
until
the
seventh
we've
discussed
it,
and
I
think
we
can
incorporate
all
of
the
changes
you
know
because
we're
working
off
a
bunch
of
different
documents.
I
think
we
should
have
one
unified
document
that
comes
before
us
before
we
vote
on
this.
So
there's
clarity
about
what
we're
adopting,
as
well
as
the
other
rules,
changes
that
we
have
for
the
july
7th
meeting.
So.
B
I
I
just
want
to
flag
that
we've
already
changed
the
rules
tonight,
we've
already
passed,
we've
already
made
motions
and
past
motions
that
change
the
rules,
so
it
is
unavoidable
that
there
will
be
the
june
21st
version
of
the
rules
followed
by
perhaps
the
july
7th
version
of
the
rules,
and
so
I
would
especially
with
that
in
mind,
recommend
that
we
move
forward.
We
haven't.
B
I
A
I
disagree.
I
think
we've
been
changing
the
rules
all
night
and
now
what
we're
planning
to
do
is
then
go
back
and
and
officially
vote
on
all
of
the
changes
that
we
made
july
june
7th.
So
we've
been
taking
votes
all
evening
here
as
the
rules
committee
to
change
our
rules.
I
A
That's
right,
we
we
didn't,
but
tonight
we
needed
to
get
going
on
a
concrete
way
to
take
each
of
these
items
and
get
them
done
so
now.
This
was
the
second
half
of
the
document
and
I
we
had
consensus
at
the
last
meetings.
We
didn't
take
a
formal
vote,
but
tonight
we
did
take
form
the
votes.
These
are
the
rules
of
the
council
so
and
I
think
I
don't
think
we
should
delay
at
all.
A
I
think
we
should
finish
what
we
started
doing
the
first
half
of
this
of
this
red
line
on
june
7th,
and
we
should
finish
it
tonight
and
then
I
mean
our
ordinance
changes
virtually
every
single
time
the
city
council
meets
with
with
what.
A
A
J
Tonight,
it's
yes,
I'm
gonna
accept
all
these
changes
so
pragmatically
it
doesn't
matter
either
way.
If
you
vote
tonight
or
if
you
try
to
hold
it,
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
clean
document
on
july
7th,
with
only
the
only
the
chain
only
the
proposed
changes
that
are
for
before
you
on
july
7th.
So
all
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
june,
7th
all
the
things
to
talk
about
tonight.
Those
are
going
to
get
incorporated
into
the
document.
A
O
O
O
So
is
this
just
to
be
clear?
So
if
we
vote
on
this,
so
I
see
a
lot
of
issues
in
there.
It's
like
conflicting
information
about
corporate
council.
I'm
sorry
yeah
corporate
authorities
versus
I
mean
there's
just
there's
some
problems
in
the
rules,
so
we
can
voting
on
this.
We
can
bring
all
this
back
at
another
point:
okay,
yeah,
all
right.
D
Council
member
kelly,
I
council
member
birth
reading
out
here,
council
member
when
I
council,
member
nusma
aye
councilmember
burns
he's
not
here
either
council
member
suffered
council
member
reveal
aye
councilmember
reed.
I
K
J
M
A
M
A
I
Yes,
okay,
can
you
I
would
like
to
see
a
new
member
of
the
council
serve
on
this
committee
as
well
said,
propose
that
one
of
the
new
council
members
also
serves
on
this
committee,
alderman
kelly,
alderman,
new
smelter
and
burns
or
myself.
I
Yeah
yeah,
the
mayor,
already,
has
the
authority
to
set
the
council
agenda.
Yes,
he
is
a
new
member,
but
he's
not
a
council
member.
I
On
that,
no
I'm
just
suggesting
that
one
of
the
previous
council
members
be
substituted
with
a
new
member
of
the
council.
A
I
A
All
right
so
now
we
have
our
referrals
committee
populated
good
luck
to
all
of
you.
We
have
no
new
business
and
I
am
going
to
seeing
no
no
other
items.
I'm
going
to
adjourn
the
meeting.
P
All
right
hold
on
all
right.
Oh
I'm,
sorry!
Okay,
sorry,
I
haven't
talked
tonight
three
and
a
half
hours
all
right,
two
things
one,
I
think
with
alderman
fleming's
consent.
She
and
I
I
would
replace
her
on
finding
development
now
that
she's
on
this
committee.
A
Let's
make
sure
it's
okay,
because
it
is
consideration
of
committee
assignments.
Mr
cummings
is
that
okay?
Is
that
a
broad
enough
definition.
J
A
All
right,
okay,
I
moved
that
alderman
suffered
and
now
become
a
member
of
p
d
and
in
place
of
alderman
fleming.
I
I
perfectly
fine
with
that.
I
I
do
think
that
as
we're
looking
at
this,
we
are
currently
in
violation
of
one
of
our
rules
relating
to
this
consideration
of
committee
assignments.
Chairman,
our
chairman
is
chairman
of
two
standing
committees,
and
our
rules
say
that
a
member
shall
only
be
a
chair
of
one
standing
committee.
So
as
I
think
as
we
fix
this,
we
should
also
fix
that
so
either
our
current.
K
J
I
would
love
to
have
room.
I
thought
you
were
chair
of
pandy,
okay,
okay,.
A
Not
be
I'd
rather
finish
this,
but
I
either
one
is
fine
with
me.
M
C
A
C
I
C
J
Is
by
seniority
and
the
staff
member
who
did
the
calendar
is
here,
and
so
if
she
wants
to
come
back
with
us
and
redo
the
calendar,
no,
I
don't.
I.
K
A
We
made
it
council,
member
reed,
we
have
a
method
and
ms
francelle
now
is
going
to
come
back
and
tell
us
just
like
she
did
the
last
time
she
doesn't
have
to
do
it
tonight,
she's
going
to
come
back
and
tell
us
with
her
careful
calculations
who
should
be
the
chair
of
of
rules.
D
D
K
D
Understand
that,
but
it's
not
considered
it's
not
part
of
this
whole.
You
can't
serve
those
as
a
chair
for
those
two.
A
I
Excuse
me
hold
on,
I
have
the
floor
now
and,
and
we
we
did.
This
is
something
we
should
solve
now
all
right.
We
have
we're
violating
a
rule.
We
set
rules,
we're
currently
violating
it.
It's
something
simple
to
swap
out
a
council
member
and
also
to
to
to
the
same
point,
alderman
braithwaite
services,
chair
of
two.
We
didn't
appoint
officially
ultimate
breathaway
as
chair
of
reparations
and
reparations,
isn't
quite
a
standing
committee
committee.
As
I
said,
we
didn't
officially
appoint
alderman
braithwaite
as
chair
of
reparations.
A
I
think
that
as
chair,
I'm
going
to
rule
that
miss
franz
elno
will
calculate
this
and
come
back
at
the
at
the
july,
7th
rules,
committee
meeting
and
she'll
notify.
Whoever
is
the
next
appropriate
rules.
Chair
of
of
that
issue,
although
I
do
agree
with
her
rules,
has
always
been
separate
from
that
rotation.
Yes,
so,
but
if,
if
that's
not
officially
in
our
rules,
then
then
we
will
figure
it
out.
N
I
think
what
he's
saying
is
is
is
alderman
birthway
was
a
councilman
bradley
was
appointed
to
chair
the
reparation
subcommittee
by
the
mayor,
I
believe,
and
if
that
is
so,
I
believe
the
rules
state
that
the
rules
committee
appoint
chairs
to
those
committees
which
correct
we
could
either
do
that
today
or
during
the
next
meeting,
I'm
happy
to
to
vote
for
council
birth.
While
we're
talking
about
the
rules
that
may
have
been
done
incorrectly.
A
P
P
Thank
you
all
right,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
off
now.
I
I
asked
that
we
add
to
the
agenda
on
the
seventh
a
discussion
of
scheduling
the
city
manager
evaluation,
because
we're
going
to
have
to
get
that
done
at
some
point.
So
I'd
like
to
get
it
on
the
schedule
see
if
we
could,
if
we
could
put
that
on
the
agenda,
for
the
seventh
that'd
be
great.
A
Yes,
okay,
all
right!
Okay,
I
believe
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
B
The
proposed
changes
for
the
rules
beyond
section
9.,
so
so
another
thing
kind
of
hanging
over
the
rules
committee
is
kind
of
to-do
list
is
to
do
for
is
to
do
what
we
did
last
time,
in
other
words,
go
through
the
rules
and
talk
things
out
and
give
mr
cummings
direction
for
how
to
produce
a
clean
draft
for
us
for
the
second
half
that
we
didn't
get
to
last
time.
B
B
Like,
for
instance,
ironically
enough
council
member
revell's
item
is
one
of
those
items,
if
you,
if
you
scroll
down
to
page
god,
help
us
if
you
scroll
down
to
page
149
of
our
agenda,
there
is
ac,
it
actually
is
flagged.
I
rule
25
c
there
there's
a
flag
consider
clarifying.
That
was
one
of
the
items
that
was
initially
flagged
for
us
to
talk
over
in
this
process
of
going
through
the
rules.
Two
weeks
ago
we
started
that
process.
We
got
to
the
end
of
section
nine.
B
K
A
Thank
you.
Sorry,
that's
fine!
Let's,
let's
have
if
there.
If
there's
nothing
else,
could
we
have
a
vote
for
an
adjournment.