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B
We
have
one
two
three
four
people
signed
up
for
a
public
comment,
looks
like
we
have
one
in
person.
Are
you
miss
brewster?
No,
can
you
could
you?
Can
you
step.
C
Thank
you.
Are
we
doing
the
three
minutes
or
the
two
minutes.
A
C
Please
use
a
mask
another
week
and
then
we'll
be
done.
So
is
this
we're
on
the
three-minute
clock?
Are
we
on
the
three-minute
clock?
Are
we
doing
three
minutes?
Yes,
let's
do
three
minutes.
Okay,
great!
Thank
you
well
good
afternoon.
Everyone
can
you
all
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
okay!
I
apologize.
If
I
sound,
like
I'm
yelling,
it's
hard
behind
the
mask
so
again,.
A
Can
I
just
ask
you:
are
you
here
for
human
services?
Are
you
here
for
the
rules
committee
rules,
committee,
okay,.
C
Go
right
ahead
again,
my
name
is
l.j
elul
good
afternoon,
and
I
appreciate
everyone's
time
today,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
ordinance
20-0-21
to
eliminate
the
board
of
ethics
in
its
current
form.
That
was
in
the
amended
agenda
for
today
so
pertaining
to
the
deputy
city
mayor,
manager's
memorandum.
C
The
other
comment
I
have
is
that
the
memo
states
that
the
ordinance
is
intended
to
be
temporary,
which
kind
of
took
me
by
surprise
a
bit
when
I
read
it
and
as
such,
the
city
should
indicate
a
specific
date
or
time
frame
for
consideration
within
which
a
new
board
of
ethics
that
does
include
community
members
shall
be
formed.
C
Having
citizens
on
the
board
makes
it
accessible
to
everybody
in
the
city,
regardless
of
economic
background
it
or
education,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
residents
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
how
they
feel
about
how
a
person
may
or
how
a
council
person
or
a
person
covered
under
the
ethics
policy
has
conducted
themselves
in
a
I'm
going
to
say
non
or
less
judicial
or
formal
court.
If
you
will,
I
think
some
people
might
find
that
intimidating
and
choose
not
to
file
a
complaint
because
they
either
don't
understand
the
system
or
they're
intimidated.
C
D
It's
not
an
agenda
item,
but
I've
asked
offline
through
email
to
other
council
members
and
maybe
even
to
the
council
in
general
to
the
mayor,
et
cetera,
that
the
rules
committee
take
up
the
issue
of
a
word
rules
of
some
kind
council
member
ward
rules.
I
know
you
don't
have
any
at
the
moment.
Is
I
my
understanding,
every
alderman
or
council
member,
I
should
say,
can
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
with
their
awards,
but
there
should
be
some
consistency
across
wards.
D
D
D
Another
issue,
I
think
the
chat
function
should
be
dis,
should
be
enabled
for
all
city
meetings,
not
disabled
like
it
currently
is.
D
You
know,
prior
to
the
election,
a
lot
of
people
talked
about
improving
communication
with
the
constituents
finding
a
way
where
citizen
comments.
Like
previous
speaker,
she
had
a
lot
of
comments
and
questions
where
those
questions
could
be
addressed
and
would
be
addressed
in
a
in
a
you
know,
short
time
frame
whether
there
should
be
a
clearinghouse
on
the
city
website
for
questions.
D
E
Okay,
thank
you,
darling,
cannon.
Second
ward.
I
am
speaking
tonight
in
support
of
r3,
which
is
eliminating
the
city
manager's
ability
to
be
able
to
place
special
orders
of
business
on
the
agenda.
E
I
am
also
in
support
of
our
four
of
a
budget
subcommittee
and
I'm
hoping
that
citizens
like
jamie
collier,
will
be
included
on
that
committee.
E
I
suppose
support
r5
and
r6,
and
I
also
agree
with
what
the
previous
speaker
said:
lj
in
regards
to
c2,
asking
that
we
keep
the
current
form
of
ethics
and
continue
to
have
the
board
members
be
residents
and
that
it
is
available
and
accessible
to
all
residents
when
they
have
concerns
with
elected
officials
that
they
have
this
avenue
and
which
they
can
voice
their
concerns.
A
F
Chairman
when
may
I
ask
that
this
item,
I
I
think
is
starting
with
the
rules
changes
that
mayor
besson
has
presented
might
make
sense,
because
it
seems
that
some
of
those
rules
changes
would
conflict
even
with
this.
So
I
wonder
if
we
want
to
deal
with
that.
First.
A
No,
I
would
like
council
member
reid.
I
was
unaware
that
you
were
with
us.
No,
I
I
do
want
to
proceed
with
c1.
This
is
something
that
we've
all
discussed
already
it's
for
action
or
on
our
agenda.
I
think
that
we
should
take
this
up
immediately.
So
is
there
a
motion?
G
H
H
H
I
A
I
H
F
Currently,
according
to
sorry
chairman,
when
currently
according
to
our
rules,
we
have
to
do
it
at
rules
committee.
H
A
Finish
what
we're
making
could
we
councilman
reid,
please
hold
off?
Could
you
take
a
few
minutes
now
and
and
make
the
change.
B
I
G
A
Right
that
makes
sense.
Okay,
all
right
can
so
would
someone
like
to
make
that
move
approval
without
that.
G
So
I'd
like
to
move
for
approval
item
number
c1
with
the
amendment
that
will
come
back
and
change
the
may
2020
to
the
september
2022
date.
A
Second,
all
right:
okay!
So
with
that
dark,
could
you
call
the
roll
please.
I
A
All
right,
thank
you
all
so
we'll
be
at
the
next
rules
committee
we'll
we'll
deal
with
that
all
right.
So
the
next
item
is
c2,
which
I
will
read
in
and
then
I'm
going
to
call
on
council
member
kelly
c2
is
ordinance
2021
amending
title
1,
chapter
10
of
the
evanston
city
code,
city
of
evanston,
code
of
ethics
and
board
of
ethics
and
council
member
kelly.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
this.
L
A
And,
and
also
I'd
like
to
add
that
you've
asked
to
have
a
guest
come
to
that
meeting,
and
you
and
I
have
discussed
this
and
that
will
be
on
the
next
agenda.
Okay,
second,
okay!
Is
there
a
sec?
I
don't.
A
Yes,
okay,
all
right,
so
that
has
been
moved
and
seconded.
I
would
like
to
say
that,
because
we-
we
probably
I
hope
we
can
get
through
these
items
tonight,
but
obviously
these
are
for
discussion,
so
we
will
have
to
take
them
up
at
the
next
rules
committee
for
action.
So
I
would
like
us
to
have
a
july
rules.
Committee
meeting
the
first
monday
in
july
is
july
5th,
which
is
which
is
a
national
holiday
the
net.
A
The
natural
thing
that
we
would
do
would
be
to
hold
rules
on
july
6th,
but
since
many
folks
take
that
week
as
vacation,
I
am
asking
the
city
manager
and
the
deputy
city
manager
to
poll
the
council
determine
when
we
are
when
all
of
us
or
most
all
of
us
can
be
next
available
to
participate
in
a
rules
committee
so
that
we
don't
have
to
act
on
that
now.
But
that
will
happen
in
the
next
week
so
that
we
can
get
things
on
the
next
rules.
Committee.
A
Agenda
but
yes,
so
the
the
agenda
says
that
our
next
rules
committee
is
monday
august
2nd,
except
that
I
believe
that
as
chair,
I'm
going
to
call
a
rules
committee
for
july,
because
we
have
so
many
items
that
are
going
to
be
on
it:
okay,
okay,
now
we're
moving
on
to
items
for
discussion,
I'm
for
efficiency's
sake,
I'm
just
going
to
read
them
in
and
then
we'll
have
discussion.
A
Draft
proposed
revisions
for
2021
rules
of
city
council.
These
are
revisions
that
my
understanding
is
all
the
excuse.
Me,
council,
member,
sufferdan
and
mayor
biss
have
made
suggestions
to
the
staff
about,
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
we
should
proceed
with
this,
but
we
can
move.
I
think
we
need
to
move
through
the
document
and
raise
issues
as
they
come
up.
Obviously,
for
this
you
know
the
the
biggest
change
is
changing
the
term,
the
word
alderman
to
older
persons.
A
That
change
is
going
to
be
made
throughout
throughout
the
document,
so
we
aren't
going
to
deal
with
each
one
of
those,
but
the
next
substantial
change
that
I
can
I
have
found
is
on
page
97
of
our.
J
A
N
O
What
I
was
gonna
mention
is
that
there
are
also
some
proposed
changes
that
did
not
make
it
into
the
red
line,
and
perhaps
we
could
start
there
and
then
go
through
the
rules.
Sequentially.
Does
that
make
sense?
Do
you.
O
Well,
this
is
what
they
were.
They
relate
to
notes,
fiscal
notes,
equity
notes,
judicial
notes,
housing
notes,
economic
development
notes,
balanced
budget
notes,
and
so
they
would
be
attached
to
any
proposed
legislation
and
they
would
show,
for
example,
how
a
proposed
ordinance
would
affect
our
budget.
Whether
you
know
the
law
department
would
weigh
in
on
whether
or
not
it
would
potentially
open
up
the
litigations.
A
lot
of
the
information
is
contained
in
the
memos
under
the
way
that
we
do
things
now,
but
they
would
be
more
formalized
and
they
would
be.
K
O
Modification
that
we
had
discussed
with
city
staff,
but
that
didn't
make
it
into
this,
and
so
I
wanted
to
to
bring
that
up
and
see
if
there's
a
any
appetite
to
have
a
discussion
about
that.
A
I
would
I
have
ultimate
flemish,
I
have
fleming
and
then
this
and
then
braithwaite.
I
I
may
just
forget
that.
H
I
I
understand
you
could
just
call
me,
sicily,
really
I'd
prefer
one
thing
I
was
going
to
say:
I
see
the
changes
for
older
persons,
but
I
just
to
your
point
I
think
the
and
if
it
was
an
ordinance
or
whatever
we
approved,
was
council
member,
so
I
guess
for
just
consistency
purposes.
If
that
is
what
we
are
planning
to
be
called,
which
I
know
we're
all
trying
to
get
in
our
vocabulary,
then
the
note
should
say
counsel.
I
mean.
H
Okay,
so
you're
right,
okay,
all
right
and
then
to
council
member
suffern's
point-
and
I
have
talked
to
him
about
this-
I
do
like
the
idea
of
notes,
but
we
probably
need
to
flush
it
out
more
so
people,
some
of
the
council
members
suffered
anyone,
explained
kind
of
what
those.
J
O
Sure-
and
I
I
will
defer
to
mayor
biss
on
this
as
well.
This
is
something
that's
common
in
the
illinois
general
assembly
and
one
of
the
things
that
outside
of
our
discussion
is
we
need
to
talk
about
the
type
of
staff
resources
that
would
be
required,
but
basically
it
is
a
way
of
addressing
the
potential
again
like
the
the
ones
I'm
proposing
and
I'm
open
to.
Others
would
be
fiscal
notes,
equity
notes,
judicial
notes,
housing
notes,
economic
development
notes
and
balanced
budget
notes.
O
So
before
we
make
any
decision,
we
would
know,
for
example,
does
this
advance
or
hinder
our
equity
goals?
Does
this
open
us
up
to
potential
litigation?
Does
it
close
down
the
potential
for
litigation
and
so
forth?
So
I
think
it
would
be
useful,
as
we
consider
legislation
as
residents,
consider
our
consideration
of
legislation
to
know
things
like
the
price
tag,
the
potential
effect
on
equity
goals,
the
potential
you
know
nick,
I
think
you-
and
I
had
talked
about
that.
I
don't
know
what
type
of
time
a
lot
of
information
is
already
in
memos
right.
O
So
this
would
just
formalize
that,
and
and
again
I
defer
to
mayor
bis,
he
has
first-hand
experience
with
this
based
on
his
time
in.
A
The
general
side,
so
I
have
mayor
biss,
council,
member
braithwaite
and
councilmember
newsma.
Would
you
all
like
to
hear
from
a
corporation
council
first
before.
P
I'm
here
in
case
because
my
staff
was
responsible
for
the
packet
piece.
So,
if
part
of
the
discussion,
I
can
help
try
and
facilitate
that
and
explain
like,
for
example,
why
the
notes
portion
is
not
in
the
red
line,
but
we
can
certainly
continue
the
discussion.
I'm
just
here
to
answer
questions.
Okay,.
K
K
The
way
the
way
it
works
in
springfield
is
that
a
member
may
do
what's
called
filing
a
note,
and
what
that
does.
Is
it
freezes
action
on
the
legislative
item
until
staff
is
able
able
to
fulfill
that
note
and
provide
that
information
to
council?
So,
for
instance,
supposing
that
we
hadn't
we
hadn't,
held
c2,
someone
using
the
springfield
system
could
have
said
during
the
debate
on
that
gosh.
K
We
had
a
really
great
public
comment
that
pointed
out
this
fiscal
impact
question
I'm
no
longer
comfortable
voting
on
this
until
I
know
the
fiscal
impact,
so
I'm
going
to
file
a
fiscal
note
which
freezes
action
on
the
legislative
item.
Until
staff
is
able
to
deliver
a
report
saying
the
fiscal
impact
would
be
x,
at
which
point
then
the
the
freeze
is
lifted
and
you
can
go
take
action.
A
So
my
my
first
reaction
is
that's
sort
of
an
informal
way
of
holding
something
without
having
the
ability
to
have
it
count
in
terms
of
the
procedural
be
so
how
many
times
could
someone
freeze
something?
And
I'm
just
looking
at
the
concern
that
I
would
have
that
something
freezes
freezes,
something
that
understood.
K
E
K
So,
with
continued
clarity
that
I'm
not
advocating
for
copying
and
pasting
springfield,
I'm
just
telling
you
what
I've
lived
through,
that
we
could
copy
and
paste
or
modify
or
discard
altogether
the
way
the
way
it
works.
There
is
there's
two
guards
against
it
being
used
as
a
kind
of
hostile
take
the
train
off
the
rails.
The
first
guard
is
that
result,
there's
a
fixed
number
of
notes
and
once
they've,
once
they've
been
fulfilled
by
staff,
the
tool
is
exhausted.
K
So
if
you're
worried
about
that
happening,
you
could
request
that
staff
fulfill
those
notes
on
your
own
item
from
the
jump,
so
that
that
can't
happen
later.
The
other
thing
which
I
think
is
critical
because
of
course
sometimes
there
are
emergencies-
is
that
the
way
it
works
in
springfield
and
this
I
would
certainly
support
copying
over
if
we
want
to
do
this
here
is
the
majority
can
just
say
no
we're
going
to
move
forward
anyhow,
and
so
it
doesn't.
It's
not.
K
A
kind
of
one
person
has
the
tool
to
just
stop
everything
forever,
but
it
allows
the
person
to
to
say
listen.
I
think
we
ought
to
get
information
on
this
and
unless
five
members
of
council
are
prepared
to
say
no,
I
don't
care
what
the
cost
is.
I'm
voting
I'm
voting
against
your
request
to
figure
out
the
cost.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
to
members
of
council,
I'm
looking
at
this
agenda
and
respectfully
council
suffering.
I
I'd
love
to
read
it
and
educate
myself
and
see
what
it
looks
like
versus
trying
to
figure
it
out
conceptually
with
with
all
this
information
ahead
of
us.
Is
this
something
that
you
can
please
share
with
members
of
council,
and
then
we
can
bring
it
back
at
the
next
rules.
G
O
G
P
Members
of
the
rules
committee
nicholas
cummings,
corporation
council,
so
my
staff
was
responsible
for
incorporating
the
changes
that
were
suggested
by
the
council
in
mayor
biss.
P
I
excluded
the
notes
piece
from
the
red
line
because
I
didn't
know
where
to
put
them
in
the
rules
and
so
now
with
mayor
business
explanation,
it
does
sound
like
a
revision
to
1812,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
discussion
that
the
rules
committee
would
like
to
have
to
amend.
You
know,
discuss
it:
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
a
discussion
concerning
amending
18.12
to
revise
how
items
are
held
right
because
right
now
it
requires
two
like
we
just
held
c2.
P
So
two
people
said
yes,
I
want
to
hold
it.
There
was
no
objection
to
overrule
it.
It's
held.
If
the
notes
then
supersede
that,
maybe
that's
the
discussion
that
the
rules
committee
wants
to
have
and
it'd
be
a
majority
instead
of
two-thirds
like.
If
that's
the
discussion,
then
we
can
make
that
revision
in
time
for
it
to
come
up
for
a
vote.
But
it
sounds
to
me
as
the
you
know,
because
I
didn't
know
where
to
put
it
now
now
it
seems
to
be
the
best
place.
To
put
it
is
1812.
O
O
Is
to
not
create
another
implement
for
people
to
hold
things,
but
for
people
that
have
information
when
they
make
their
votes
and
just
use
an
example.
From
our
previous
meeting.
You
know
we
shouldn't
have
the
directors
of
director
of
parks
and
recreation,
answering
fiscal
questions
at
the
podium
on
something
we
should
get
an
answer
from
the
cfo
ahead
of
time
and
and
that's
what
I
think
would
allow
us
all
to
make
better
decisions
and
that's
the
goal
of
this
and
you
know
nick.
O
If
I
didn't
give
you
enough
information,
I
apologize,
but
I
mean
I
think
the
important
thing
is
rather
than
this
being
like
a
hostile
action
by
somebody
who
wants
to
hold
a
vote.
This
be
something
that
you
could
request
well
ahead
of
time
when
something
is
on
the
city,
manager's
report,
or
at
some
point
when
we
know
it's
on
an
upcoming
agenda.
O
You
know
it
wouldn't
be
necessarily
appropriate
to
ask
for
a
you
know:
a
housing
note
on
something
relating
to
the
beaches,
but
it
is
appropriate
to
ask
for
economic
development
to
take
a
look
or
for
the
law
department
to
take
a
look
at
you
know,
etc.
J
P
Committee-
and
I
know
I've
talked
to
you
about
this
individually,
but
you
know,
would
it
be
something
that
you
guys
wanted
to
see
change
in
the
structure
of
the
transmit,
transmittal
memos
that
are
attached
and
because,
admittedly,
this
is
something
that
I've
talked
about
internally.
But
you
know
we
were
waiting
for
direction
from
you
all.
So
if
you
want
us
to
amend
the
transmittal
memo
to
include
those
sections
and
so
that
all
of
those
areas
are
addressed,
that'll
be
another
way
to
to
get
the
information
that
you're
looking
for
as
well.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
mean
that
that's
helpful.
I
have
a
whole
list
of
people
who
haven't
been
called
on,
yet
let
me
get
to
them
so
alderman,
councilmember,
newsma.
Q
Thank
you.
That's
where
my
mind
goes
is
to
something
that
would
go
at
the
front
of
every
transmittal
memo
to
council
a
list
of
whatever
categories
we
deem
appropriate,
many
of
which
may
not
be
applicable
to
any
particular
topic.
But
you
know
simple
n
a
in
that
box
would
suffice,
but
that
will
give
us
more
information
up
front
about
those
priorities
which
we
deem
significant
equity
budget.
I
would
like
to
see
our
carp
environmental
goals
being
one
of
those
categories.
Q
You
know
I
mean.
Is
this
the
the
city
council
goals
you
know:
does
this
speak
to
a
process
where
we
need
to
revisit
our
city
council
goals,
and
this
would
be
one
way
that
we
would
put
these
goals
to
practical
use?
I'd
like
to
talk
about
that.
So
I
I
like
the
idea,
if
that's
where
it's
headed
looking
to
the
illinois
general
assembly
as
the
bastion
of
efficiency
and
effectiveness,
is
probably
not
going
to
get
us
where
we
need
to
go.
A
Right
so
I
I
I
I'm
just
going
to
jump
in
a
little
bit
here.
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea,
alderman
suffering
we
we've
begun
doing
that
somewhat
because
we
talk
about
when
we
are
funding
certain
things.
You
know
what
fund
the
amount
of
money
is
coming
from,
but
frequently
a
question
that
happens
at
the
council
is
how
much
is
left
in
the
fund.
So
that
would
be.
You
know,
that's
a
that's
sort
of
an
automatic.
Now,
that's
frequently
incorporated
from
economic
development
committee.
A
We
council,
member
nusma.
We
do
have
council
goals
that
we
have
in
our
memos
gotten
the
this
meets
this
goal.
This
addresses
this
goal.
This
fits
in
with
that
goal
so
amplifying
that
with
additional
information
like
council,
member
sufferden
is
suggesting,
I
think,
is
useful
and
does
move.
J
A
L
Q
O
I
would
just
say,
like
springfield,
doesn't
really
provide
like
a
great
model
because,
for
example,
in
the
house
you're
talking
about
118
people
and
full-time
staff-
and
you
know
partisan
legislature-
I
mean,
I
think,
the
concept
of
notes.
I
mean
this
doesn't
need
to
work
the
way
it
does
in
springfield
and
I
think
kind
of
what
we
just
discussed,
where
this
would
be
at
the
top
of
everything.
O
If,
assuming
that
we
come
up
with
a
list,
that's
reasonable
and
you
know
housing
notes
would
be
non-applicable
on
most
things.
I
don't
think.
I
think
there
would
be
very
few
things
that
we
would
discuss.
That
would
require
notes
in
every
category.
Really
probably
it'd
be
an
amazing
thing,
but
so
I
I
think
the
I
mean
the
way
that
this
works
in
springfield
isn't
really
relevant
to
how
we'd
have
it
work
here.
It's
important
that
we
have
the
staff
resources
and
the
advanced
notice,
because
I
don't
think
it
would
also.
O
I
don't
anticipate
that
it
would
be
used
as
a
hostile
maneuver
to
delay
anything,
and
we
could
certainly
write
the
rule
in
a
way
that
makes
that
not
possible
by
requiring
a
note
request
to
get
in
in
advance.
I
mean
this
is
kind
of
part
of
the
whole
discussion.
We've
had
about
agendas
being
put
out
with
greater
notice
than
they
have
been,
you
know,
or
the
city
managers
report.
O
We
could
all
kind
of
see
what's
moving
through
the
process
and,
what's
you
know,
on
deck
and
what's
in
the
hole
and
it's
like
when
something's
in
the
hole?
That's
when
you
need
to
request
a
note.
You
know
so
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
you
about
how
it
works
in
springfield.
O
But
I
think,
like
the
important
thing
is
that
we
tailor
whatever
it
is
to
our
purposes
here,
and
the
real
goal
is
not
to
provide
a
hostile
tool
to
play
gotcha
games
with
people's
proposals,
but
to
get
information
so
that
we
can
make
the
best
choices
and
that
people
understand
that
we
are
either
paying
attention
to
fiscal
notes
or
disregarding
them.
And
you
know,
if
that's
the
case
like
we
all
need
to
explain
why.
L
Hold
there
is
sort
of
a
time
frame
right,
that's
that
would
be
a
distinction
right
now
I
mean
a
whole
does
proceed
so
so
just
I
agree
with
you.
So
if
we
can
tailor
it
to
yeah.
O
I
mean
again
in
this
like
as
we're
formulating
this
my
goal,
if
possible
would
be
to
have
all
the
note
requests
come
ahead
of
the
meeting
where
this
is
going
to
be
discussed
rather
than
we
get
here.
There
are
people
here
offering
public
comment
everyone's
expecting
something,
and
then,
where
somebody
says,
wait
a
minute
I'd
like
to
know
how
this
affects
our
carp
goals
and
everyone
has
to
go
home
and
come
back
in
two
weeks
like.
A
Well,
and
also
perhaps
build
them
in
to
the
point
where
it
it,
it
becomes
automatic
in
what's
generated
by
staff,
so
that
if
it's
not
there
there,
it's
actually
unusual
so
that
having
that
that
the
budget
implications,
the
carp
implications,
whatever
the
staff
sees
the
as
council
member
newsman
was
saying
it's
a
checklist,
and
so
you
provide
the
staff,
provides
the
information
unless
they
see
a
dozen
okay.
O
I
mean
I,
I
think,
that's
a
great
idea.
I
my
only
concern-
and
I
guess
kelly
this
would
be
your
role
here
is.
I
would
imagine
that
there
will
be
a
lot
more
fiscal
notes
required.
I
mean
I
think
that
would
be
the
greatest
workload
and
like
do
we
have
capacity
there.
Would
we
get?
You
know
I
also
don't
want.
I
don't
want
us
to
get
information,
that's
inaccurate,
because
people
are
getting
a
lot
thrown
at
them
and
I.
O
Is
speculative
in
nature
anyway,
right,
like
economic
development,
is
a
guessing
game,
educated
guessing
game,
so
you
know
how
do
we
tailor
it
and,
like
maybe
you
know,
if
we
go
forward
with
this,
should
we
revisit
it
in
a
year's
time
or
in
some
interval
where
we
can
see
how
it's
been
affecting
staff.
B
Kelly
gandersky
deputy
city
manager
good
evening.
I
think
that
it's
something
that
we
do
see
quite
often
I
know
chicago,
considers
fiscal
impacts.
They
have
to
run
this
through
a
checklist
of
things
before
items
make
the
agenda.
I
think
it's
something
that
the
city
could
definitely
build
into
a
transmittal
memo
and
can
do.
I
just
think
they
would
have
to
revisit
what's
a
reasonable
amount
of
time.
For
that
to
happen.
B
Certainly,
if
there
was
an
emergency,
we
would
need
to
move
a
little
faster
to
place
items
on
the
agenda,
but
we
would
have
to
take
a
look
and
see
how
many
items
the
council
would
want
in
that
memo
and
then
realistically
the
impact
to
go
through
each
department
to
get
that
information
to
be
placed
on
the
agenda
as
it
stands
now.
Staff
work
at
least
a
week
in
advance
to
get
things
on
the
agenda.
O
Too,
is
you
know
in
an
emergency
situation,
we
could
all
vote
to
wave
notes
on
something
and
like
just
as
an
example
recently,
I
think
the
repairs
to
the
fire
station
four
right
like
we.
We
had
to
do
that,
so
we
don't
need
to
have
everyone
go
through.
Then
you
know
that
we
could
decide
if
that
would
be
an
inanimate
vote
or
a
majority
vote
or
what
I.
B
H
Just
I
I
do
like
this
idea
and
I
understand
what
you
mean
council
member
breakaway,
because
we
are
you're
right.
It's
not
in
front
of
us,
I'm
a
very
visual
learner,
but
now
that
we've
kind
of
had
a
discussion
about
it.
I
think
it
just
makes
sense,
because
we
all
sit
here
and
we
there's
different
things,
we're
looking
for
and
we're
asking
questions
and
staff
might
not
be
prepared,
and
then
it
goes
back
and
you
know
it
just
causes,
in
my
opinion,
some
frustration.
H
So
if
my
suggestion
would
be
particularly
if
you
make
the
referral
and
we'll
get
to
this
point,
I
think
later.
But
if
you
make
the
referral,
then
you
need
to
be
clear
on
what
you're
looking
for
I
mean
if
you
want
some
really
specific
fiscal
information
right
or
legal.
H
Right
and
I'm
not
thinking
that
this
is
like
a
whole
separate
memo.
This
is
a
paragraph
and
you're
right
councilmember.
When
we
used
to
get
more
stuff.
I
remember
mmos,
which
kind
of
have
these
headers
of
things
and
they've
kind
of
fallen
off,
but
we
could
say:
hey
like
your
thing
with
the
beach.
I
want
x,
y
and
z
about
beach
access
to
be
included
in
this
memo,
and
then
we
could
have
all
had
a
better
conversation
I
think
coming
into
it,
and
that
seems
to
me,
like
it
shouldn't
take
so
much
time.
H
We
should
be
reasonable
with
our
request,
but
if
you're
putting
a
referral
in-
and
you
say
you
want
these
things-
I
mean-
I
think,
if
it's
going
to
be
a
huge
problem-
that's
the
city,
manager's
department,
to
call
us
and
say
we
can
get
this
part,
but
not
this
part
or
whatever.
That
might
be
right,
but
we
do
have
to,
in
my
opinion,
have
some
expectations
of
staff
when
they
deliver
memos,
so
they
can
be
thorough.
H
So
we
can
have
productive
conversations
up
here
that
we
can
then
explain
to
our
residents
why
we
did
or
did
not
do
something.
H
So
I'm
super
supportive
of
the
idea,
just
as
part
of
a
memo
not
a
separate
memo,
and
I
think
us
all
being
reasonable
about
what
we're
asking
and
what
that
turnaround
looks
like
and
also
staff,
knowing
that
we're
not
looking
for
a
dissertation
but
we're
just
looking
for
you
know
some
clarity
around
the
issue
for
us
to
make
our
decisions,
and
I
I
definitely
would
not
support
it
as
something
that
you
know.
I
could
just
arbitrarily
hold
someone's
thing,
because
I
want
information.
H
I
think
we
have
to
do
our
due
diligence
to
make
sure
what
we're
looking
for
is
provided
as
early
as
possible.
So
that
is
my
opinion
about
that.
Yes,
I
do
not
want
to
replicate
the
state-
and
I
do
think
jonathan
to
your
point.
If
we
had
council
goals-
maybe
that's
not
necessarily
so
flushed
out
as
something
like
financials,
but
if
we,
if
we
used
to
have
the
equity
goals
on
memos
at
some
point,
that
didn't
last
very
long.
O
H
H
I
do
think
we
should
try
to
move
this
through,
because
we're
going
to
be
making
some
pretty
big
decisions
heading
into
the
budget
and
it'd
be
good
to
know,
particularly
financially
what
each
implication
is,
as
we
vote
for
things
and
then,
as
we
think
about
the
rescue
fund
right,
that's
probably
definitely
a
way.
We
want
to
use
these
notes
as
we're
moving
forward
for
those
decisions.
P
So,
if
I
can
ask
here
then
from
direction
from
the
committee,
if
this
is
going
to
be
an
actual
rule
of
city
council,
if
so,
where
or
if
this
is
going
to
be
direction
to
city
staff,
as
like
a
policy
thing
that
you
guys
want
to
see
this
in
our
transmittal
memos,
I'm
just
looking
for
direction
as
to
so
I
can
make
sure
that
my
staff
actually
either
updates
the
rules
or,
if
we're
just
going
to
have
to
take
this
back
to
the
city
manager
and
say
this
is
what
the
rules
committee
wants.
H
Can
we
make
sure
that's
implemented?
I
mean
I
don't
want
it
to
go
back
as
a
I
mean,
so
I
guess
when
we
clear
it
we're
taking
it
back
as
a
policy
meaning
this
is
what
we're
looking
for.
The
memo
is
not
something
like
and
if
you
have
time,
please
add
these
things,
so
I
don't
know
again
how
we
need
to
word
it
to
make
sure
it
actually
happens.
A
I
I
think
that
we
I
I
would
say
that
this
will
be
our
policy
going
forward
as
to
what
is
the
standard
memo
that
is
received
by
the
city
council
with
respect
to
items
on
the
city
council
agenda,
this
every
item.
Every
item
memo
regarding
an
item
on
the
agenda-
will
have
the
this
this
this
this
and
this
resolutions.
J
G
Mean
I
I
voiced
concerns
and
thank
you
for
speaking
to
it,
councilman
fleming
just
because
I
couldn't
visually
understand
what
was
being
said,
and
I
was
up
clear.
G
I'm
like
I
don't
study
state
legislator
and
I
don't
want
to
bring
in
springfield
practices,
but
the
benefit
of
a
discussion
is
I
understand,
and
so
my
question
is:
if
staff
has
clear
on
the
direction
of
this
discussion,
we
can
move
forward
and
then,
if
you
need
to
touch
base
with
aldermen,
I
mean
with
councilman
suffered
in
or
abyss
or
anybody
else
before
it
comes
back
to
us,
then
we
can
just
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item
yeah.
So.
B
If
I
may,
my
only
concern
is
with
regards
to
a
possible
hold
if
one
of
these
items
doesn't
make
it.
I
think
that
would
be
a
rule
right.
G
B
P
P
The
kind
of
direction
that
I
was
looking
for
as
to
where,
where
in
the
rules
it
should
go,
I
know
when
we
were
hearing
from
mayor
biss,
I
initially
thought
it
would
go
1812
to
modify
the
the
hold
rule,
but
if
it's
going
to
be
a
requirement
that
our
transmittal
memos
now
have
these
sections,
because
I
have,
I
have
council
member
suffran's
list.
If
our
transmittal
members
now
have
these
sections
that
each
of
these
items
are
addressed,
then
I
just
need
to
know
what
what
rule
we're
going
to
change
if
it.
B
I
might
suggest
a
proposed
change
to
a
rule
with
regard
to
the
hold
of
those
items
and
then
a
resolution
with
regard
to
the
exact
items
that
are
once
wanted
for
the
transmittal
memo,
then
we
have
something
in
writing
on
both
sides.
A
All
right
who
have
I
got
here,
council,
member
reed,
then
I
have
mayor
bis
and
then
council,
member
newsma.
F
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
earlier,
that
you
know
the
hold
is
a
mechanism
that
we
have
to
to
hold
these
items.
So
I
think
using
this,
the
notes
to
hold
items
may
not
be
the
greatest,
because
we
can
just
use
the
regular
process,
but
I
do
think
the
notes
is
a
very
would
be
very
beneficial.
F
I
think
that
you
know
the
notes
should
be
tied
to
our
goals,
and
so
I
think
alderman
sufferdan
was
was
right
and
kind
of
list
providing
that
a
sample
list
of
things.
I
think
it
should
align
with
their
goals.
I
agree
with
council
member
kelly
that
it
you
know
I
would
have
a
concern
about
the
delay
of
items.
You
know
if
we
were
just
using
this
and
it
could
be
seen
as
hostile.
F
I
think
that's
mostly
been
addressed
through
discussion
here,
but
also,
I
think
we
also
we
should
address
how
soon
we
expect
city
staff
to
get
back
to
us
with
requests
for
records.
I
mean,
if
I,
for
example,
you
know
whether
it's
a
note
we
don't.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
city
staff
to
to
be
our
brains
for
us
all
the
time
and
create
a
memo,
but
sometimes
just
providing
the
data
that
we
ask
for
in
a
timely
fashion,
and
you
know
they're.
F
I
think
we
should
set
a
time
frame
that
we
expect
staff
to
get
back
to
to
request
from
aldermen.
I
mean
if
I
was
as
a
private
resident.
I
can
request
information
and
you
know,
presumably
under
foyer,
receive
it
in
five
days
as
an
alderman.
I
should
be
able
to
receive
that
information
fairly
quickly
to
assist
with
my
legislative
duties
and
currently
that
is
under
our
code.
City
staff
should
be
providing
records
to
us,
and
so
I
think.
F
K
Thanks
yeah,
I
I
would
just
say
that
I
would
be
on
and
I
think
we
sort
of
landed
here
I
believe,
but
I
want
to
say
it
clearly.
I
would
be
uneasy
leaving
this
out
of
the
rules.
I
I
think
I
think
it's
worth
having
clarity
on
this
concept.
However,
whatever
direction
we
want
to
go
with
it
in
the
rules,
I
think
it's,
my
instinct
is
that
it's
a
mistake
to
have
a
universal
expectation
on
every
item
that
appears
on
an
agenda.
I
think
that.
J
K
Make
work,
and
so
having
some
discretion
where
a
council
member
can
ask
built
into
the
way
we
handle
this,
I
think,
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
K
I
think,
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
I'd
be
happy
to
put
together
a
draft
or
to
work
with
anyone
who's
doing
that,
but
I
would
support
having
a
some
discretion,
so
we
don't
just
have
an
infinite
amount
of
sort
of
busy
work,
that's
generated
and
and
b
having
it
explicitly
in
the
rules,
so
that
everyone
has
complete
clarity
on
how
exactly
it
works.
P
From
the
staff
perspective,
my
understanding
was
that
the
notes
would
apply
to
specifically
resolutions
and
ordinances
and
if
I'm
incorrect,
then
let
me
know,
but
I
did
not
think
it
would
be
on
every
single
item
on
the
agenda
only
only
for
quote
unquote
legislation,
so
resolutions
and
ordinances
make
sense.
H
Sorry,
but
it
would
be,
I
guess
I
want
to
back
up,
because
we
have
things
that
come
for
discussion
and
then
they
go
for
introduction
and
so
they're,
not
necessarily
resolutions
to
ordinances
when
they
get
started
right,
and
so
I
guess
you're
saying
if
I
make
a
referral
to
paint
the
sky
purple,
that's
my
favorite
one.
On
that
referral.
Could
I
say
I
want
a
fiscal
note
on
what
that
cost
would
be.
H
I
mean
it's
not
yet
a
piece
of
legislation,
but
I'm
trying
to
get
that
direction,
but
this
note
might
help
me
figure
that
part
out
right
and.
P
I-
and
I
think
that
was
part
of
what
council
members
suffered
in
and
mayor
bis
were
saying
like
it's.
J
P
P
Correct
okay,
but
when
it
comes
back
it
will
when,
because
you
made
a
referral
when
it
comes
back,
it
should
have
those
that
information
attached
to
it
right,
because
you
specifically
requested
it
to
mayor
business
point
it's
okay
discretion,
but
my
understanding
in
terms
of
the
way
it
was
presented
originally,
is
that
when
we
bring
forth
an
ordinance
or
resolution
there
will
be
these
sort
of
nodes
attached,
understanding
that
there
are
items
that
come
on
the
agenda,
essentially
for
spending
money
or
signing
contracts
authority
to
do
so
that
are
not
legislation.
A
Well,
I
think
I
think,
we've
gotten
a
lot
more
information
and
since
we
are
having
a
meeting
in
july,
a
rules
committee
meeting
in
july,
can
we
continue
this
discussion
there
and
after
the
staff
has
looked
at
this
more
and
can
you
come
back
with
us,
come
back
to
us
in
july
with
what
you
would
propose?
We
change
how
we
change
the
rules.
P
Sure
I'll
I'll
talk
to
everyone,
I
need
to
talk
to
to
see
where
we
can
put
it
in
the
rules,
and
I
know
mayor
business
said
he'll
work
with
anyone
to
help
draft
some
language
to
where
it
should
go
appropriately
and
honestly,
that's
just
I
didn't
know
where
it
would
go.
So
that's
why
it's
not
here
right
now,
so.
A
All
right
well,
thank
you.
Well,
there
were
a
lot
of
things
to
to
change
so
so
I
think
with
we,
we
do
have
a
number
of
things
on
there.
A
J
K
A
J
F
We
could
vote
on
something
now
we're
not
taking
final
action
because
it
would
come
back
to
the
committee,
so
we
could
give
through
our
legis.
You
know
through
our
vote
saying
this
is
what
we
want
you
to
bring
back
to
us
for
action.
So
we
can
vote
on
something
as
long
as
we're
not
taking
final
action,
which
this
wouldn't.
J
J
A
That's
all
right:
okay,
okay,
so
it's
it's
five
of
five,
but
that
that
was
an
important
issue
to
cover.
So
we
now
we
we
have
a
number
of
other
things
in
this
red
line,
draft
to
discuss
and
I'm
going
to
proceed
through
them,
as
as
they
have
come
up,
and
so
the
first
item
that
I
am
finding
and
please
let
me
know
if
you
found
something
else
before
this
is
rule
2.7.
The
mayor
must
approve
the
agenda
item
before
it
is
published.
K
A
P
F
Point
point
or.
F
Councilman
reid,
yes,
currently
this,
I
think
we
could
clarify
it.
Currently,
the
communications
of
the
clerk
is
utilized
in
that
way.
That's
what
I
and
previous
clerks
had
used
as
kind
of
our
public
announcements.
I
think
if
we
you.
J
F
Clarified
what
communications
of
the
clerk
is,
because
it's
not
clear
that
the
clerk
can
just
make
public
announcements
at
the
time?
It's
really
as
it's
currently
written
the
clerk
should,
you
know,
just
be
reporting
out
on
communications
received
by
the
clerk
that
are
addressed
to
the
full
body.
So
I
think
that's
the
clarification
we
want
to
make
here.
P
F
A
Okay,
all
right
communication,
all
right
yeah
is
that
acceptable
to
everybody:
okay,
all
right,
okay,
and
then
you
can
bring
that
back
all
right.
Okay!
So
thank
you
for
that.
So
next
I'm
going
now
I'm
returning
again
to
2.7.
The
mayor
must
approve
the
agenda
item
before
it
is
published
at
this
point.
Mervis
did
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
speak
to
that
sure.
K
And
I
think,
there's
also
a
typo
there.
The
word
item
should
be
struck,
but
my
my
view
here
is
that
you
know
I
I
preside
over
the
meeting.
I
think
people
in
the
community
sort
of
hold
me
responsible
as
mayor
for
was
on
the
agenda
and
and
so
and
consistent
with
that
responsibility.
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
if
I
saw
and
approved
the
agenda
before
it
went
out.
K
K
K
We
voted
for
you
to
be
the
mayor
and
now
we're
mad
at
you
about.
What's
on
the
agenda
the
meeting
you're
presiding
over,
I
want
to
complain
you
about
it.
You
just
say:
don't
talk
to
me,
talk
to
the
city
manager.
That
strikes
me
as
not
a
great
accountability
system.
It
would
be
easier
for
me
to
be
able
to
hide
in
that
way
be
politically
pleasant,
but
I
don't
think
it's
the
right
way
to
have
clarity
with
the
residents
about
about
the
lines
of
accountability.
G
G
Wood,
thank
you
thank
you
chairman,
so
we
all
have
that
opportunity,
and
I
guess
you
may
hear
me
ask
this
again.
Like
are
we
a
solution
trying
to
find
a
problem
and
whether
it's
myself,
councilman
burns
councilman
suffered
and
revell?
We
see
the
agenda
in
advance,
you
get
to
see
it
in
the
city,
manager's.
G
K
Mean
I'll
just
reiterate
my
point,
I
think,
having
having
an
ambiguity
about
where
the
agenda
comes
from
and
who's
really
to
be
held
accountable,
for
it
is
it's
confusing
for
residents,
and
I
I
I
would
welcome
the
accountability
of
the
rules.
Saying
listen
if
this
is
on
the
agenda
and
you
don't
like
it
complain
to
the
mayor
because
it's
the
mayor's
fault,
I
think
that's
the
right
way
to
do.
Clarity
and
accountability
in
a
situation
like
this.
F
I
support
this
change.
I
do
think
my
understanding-
and
maybe
council
coming
so
you
can
look
into
this
at
a
later
date
or
anyone
else
who
may
just
know
this
offhand.
F
My
recollection
of
the
reading
of
the
state
statute
regarding
the
powers
and
dude
as
the
mayor
is
that
the
state
statute
says
that
the
mayor
has
the
ability
to
set
and
the
responsibility
to
set
the
agenda
as
the
head
of
the
public
body
and-
and
I
think
it
it
fully
makes
sense
that
the
the
mayor
would
set
the
agenda
with
the
you
know,
the
advice
of
the
city
manager,
but
certainly,
ultimately,
the
mayor
is
responsible
for
its
own
agenda
and
allow
the
mayor
to
manage.
F
You
know
what
gets
on
the
agenda
and
at
the
time
that
it
may
take
to
discuss
certain
items.
I
think
committee
chair
folks
should
also
have
that
same
authority
to
you
know,
set
the
agenda
for
their
for
their
various
committees,
and
so
I
supportive
of
this
it
makes
sense
for
accountability
and
it
makes
sense
to
increase.
As
I
said,
accountability.
A
Okay,
all
right!
Let's
so,
shall
we
we'll
keep
this
on
for
action
for
the
rules
committee
meeting
on
in
july.
P
Just
a
point
of
clarification,
my
expectation
was
to
bring
back
the
entire
document.
B
P
A
Expectation,
yes,
I
think
that
that
is
our
expectation:
okay,
okay,
but
that
could
change.
Okay,.
A
O
O
Just
so
that's
the
reason
for
that
change
and
if
it's
all
right
with
everybody,
it
seems
like
that
would
be
like
a
very
convenient
and
logical
place
for
a
person
looking
to
apply
for
a
vacancy
to
look.
P
P
A
Just
we
should
we
should
clarify
that.
K
A
All
right
what
so,
what
is
th?
What
discussion
on
whether
the
notice
to
council
members.
P
A
F
A
J
J
A
Okay,
okay,
then,
back
to
point
5.3.
So
this
is
essentially
posting
all
of
our
vacancies
for
boards
and
commissions
on
the
city's
website
and
eliminating
communications
of
general
circulation
within
the
community
council
member
newsmen.
Q
I
think
the
proposed
change
makes
sense.
I'd
also
like
to
talk
about
the
implicit
two
term
limit
imposed
on
on
committee
members
and
that's,
I
guess
been
standard
practice
over
the
years.
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
been
a
problem,
but
just
wanted
to
take
an
opportunity
to
discuss
that.
If
anyone
thinks
we
should
lift
that
or
or
change
that.
A
But
I
think
there's
value
in
having
people
serve
two
terms
because
they
they
get
the
experience
and
then
they've
learned
the
ropes
and
then
we
get
the
the
value
of
of
their
serving
and
then
they
are
there
as
a
continuum
to
to
bring
in
new
members
as
that
changes
over
okay,
okay,
all
right!
So
I'm
yes,
alderman
burns!
I
mean
council
member
burns.
R
Why
why
are
we
not
sharing
information
about
vacancies
in
every
possible
way?
I
just
want
to
know
what
what
the
thinking
is
behind
striking
this.
O
R
A
A
K
So
the
proposal
5.8
is
that
the
mayor
populates
standing
committees
by
appointment
with
advice
and
consent
of
the
council-
I
don't
want
to.
I
want
us
to
strike
that
from
discussion,
because
I
I
know
that
there's
a
variety
of
different
opinions
about
it
and
it's.
This
is
not
a
right
issue
until
the
next
council
sworn
in
in
may
of
2025.
We've
got
a
lot
of
time
to
worry
about
it.
I'm
I'm
not
dogmatic
about
this
particular
approach.
It
just
was
the
natural
one
that
came
to
my
mind.
K
What
I
do
think,
though,
having
thought
about
the
rules
committee
meeting
we
had
two
weeks
ago
was
that
I
don't
think
the
way
we
handled
this
question
of
committee
assignments
worked
very
well.
I
think
it
was
a
little
haphazard
and
we
sort
of
lurched
around,
and
I
would
like
us
to
over
the
course
of
the
next
four
years
think
about
a
more
systematic
way
to
handle
the
committee
assignments
process
that
we
can
have
in
place
well
in
advance
of
may
of
2025..
K
So
unless
anyone
strongly
disagrees,
I'd
like
to
to
remove
5.8
from
from
discussion,
but
that
leads
me
to
5.7
one
of
the
consequences
of
what
we
did
two
weeks
ago
was
that
many
of
the
committees
grew
the
therefore
the
quorum
requirements
increased
in
a
number
of
different
situations
and
5.7,
which
I
will
fully
grant.
I
think
when
you
first
read
it
sounds
a
little
bit.
K
Wacky
is,
is
a
narrow
and
modest
thing
which
simply
says
if
a
council
member
is
on
a
committee
and
wants
to
allow
someone
else
to
sub
in
for
them,
the
mayor
can
write
a
like
an
email
to
the
clerk
or
something
that
makes
that
happen.
So,
if
you're
out
of
town,
we
can
sub
somebody
in
for
you.
If
you
happen
to
have
an
issue
in
your
ward,
that's
really
important
to
you
coming
before
a
committee,
but
you're
not
on
that
committee.
K
P
Can
I
can,
I
then
ask
a
question
with
that
language
for
5.7,
because
I
read
it
when
it
says
standing
committee.
That's
a
term
of
art
to
me.
There
are
only
a
certain
number
of
standing
committees
of
the
city
council.
That's
a
standing
committee
to
me
so
like
rules
pnd
apw,
but
if
you're
talking
about
boards
commissions
and
committees,
so
you
only
mean
for
the
standing
committees.
Okay,.
A
So
I
I
was
with
you
mayor
bis
until
you
said
that
someone,
if
it's
an
issue
in
their
award,
that
they
request
to
swap
in
and
swap
out
when
something
like
that
happened
has
happened
in
the
past.
A
A
council
member
will
go
to
that
committee
and
request
an
opportunity
to
speak
and
have
a
discussion
with
the
the
committee
members,
but
not
ask
to
swap
seats
with
someone.
I
think
that's
not
appropriate.
I
think
it
is
appropriate
when,
for,
as
you
said,
quorum
purposes,
when
someone
for
some
reason
cannot
make
a
meeting
that
they
can
ask
to
have
someone
stand
in
for
them
for
just
that
meeting,
but
traditionally
what
we
have
done.
K
Yeah,
I
would
imagine
that
would
be
the
way
we
would
handle
it
as
well.
I
I
don't
have
a
concern
about
leaving
the
ability
to
do
this
enumerated
without
purpose
so
that
we
don't
we
don't
say
in
the
rules.
You
know
here's
the
number
of
miles
away
from
the
civic
center.
You
must
be
in
order
to
be
replaceable.
In
this
context,
I
think
the
point
is:
it
only
happens
with
everyone's
consent.
There's
there's
no
situation
when
any
any
swap
happens.
J
J
P
It's
not
a
red
line,
change,
there's
a
comment
that
says:
yeah
suffered
in
remote
participation,
and
so
what
I
think
that
refers
to
is
the
second
full
sentence
where
it
starts
with
only
individuals.
Physically
present
at
the
meeting
are
permitted
to
participate
in
public
comment
and
no.
P
Q
Q
Allow
public
comment
sold
via.
P
I
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
limitation
to
us
allowing
public
comment
through
other
technological
means.
Just
previously
the
rule
was
you
couldn't
do
it,
except
for
if
you
were
disabled
or
something
like
that,
and
so
if
the
council
wants
to
mean,
as
we
learned
from
elrod
freeman,
we
just
have
to
allow
for
it.
The
council
sets
the
rules
on
how
it
gets
done.
Q
I
think
I'd
be
in
favor
of
allowing
ongoing
remote
participation
in
the
interests
of
transparency
and
engagement.
A
P
P
So
so
we
just
have
to
allow
public
comment,
whether
it
be
in
and
the
people
have
to
be
allowed
in
in
the
place.
If
you
guys
are
meeting
in
person
under
normal,
open
meetings
act
rules,
so
they
can
participate
in
public
comment
in
person
right
right,
but
there's
no
state
law.
That
says
we
cannot
allow
remote
participation.
A
All
right,
council,
member
reid,
you
had
your
light
on.
Thank
you.
F
Yeah,
I
I
do
think
we
should
continue
this
practice
of
allowing
public
comment
to
be
remote
and
also
think
we
should
as
we're
going
through
this
look
at.
We
have
a
restriction
here
that
only
allows
council
members
to
attend
a
meeting
remotely
once
per
year.
I
think
we
should
strike
that
rule
as
well
and
allow
council
members
to
appear
promote,
as
they
see
so.
P
It
is
in
the
rules.
I
can't
remember
what
rule
number
it
is
either,
but
it
is
in
city
council
rules,
but
I
think
that
that
was
to
be
consistent
with
the
prior
open
meetings
act
and
so
once
and
I
think
it's
at
the
end
of
june,
the
last
I
saw
once
the
governor's
declaration
of
disaster
expires.
We
will
have
to
go
back
to
the
old
rules
which,
under
the
openings
act,
requires
sort
of
like
a
reason
and
there's
a
certain
number
of
meetings
in
which
you
can
participate
remotely.
P
So
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
your
suggestion,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
everyone
aware
that
the
open
meetings
act
still
has
some
of
those
similar
restrictions.
Yeah.
F
Just
from
my
recollection,
the
open
meeting
exactly
does
require
a
reason,
but
it
doesn't
set
a
limit
on
how
many
times
you
can
use.
You
know
the
valid
reason.
Ours
specifically
says
no
more
than
once
and
oma
just
says,
you
know
you
have
to
be
out
for
work
or
for
whatever
reason.
For
my
recollection,
thank
you.
A
I
I
think
that
we
should
require
council
members
to
be
present
unless
they
are
providing
particular
reason.
I
I
think
it
really
is
important
that
we
meet
in
person
when
we
can
meet
in
person.
Unless
someone
has
some
type
of
emergency
or
is
ill.
You
know
what
we've
done
in
the
past
is
we
have
allowed
members
to
participate
when
they
are
recuperating
at
home
or
have
had
an
emergency
that
takes
them
out
of
state.
A
No,
I
think
it
should
apply
to
committee
meetings.
I
I
don't
know
what
the
rest
of
the
council
feels
like,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
apply
to
committee
meetings
as
well.
I
mean
there
there.
There
is
a
difference
between
meeting
in
person
and
having
someone
participate
remotely
when
everyone
else
is
is
present.
H
So
I
support
taking
the
one
out,
but
leaving
you
know
with
calls,
but
not
having
it
just
be
one.
I
do
remember
missing
a
meeting
during
my
last
tenure
because
I
had
used
my
one
and
so
I
could
not
participate
remotely
for
the
next.
So
I
would
just
say
that
we
keep
the
cause
in
there,
but
we
remove
the
one
yeah.
A
Right
now-
and
I
I
agree
with
that-
council
member
fleming-
but
I
do
think
we
we
do
want
to
have
people
provide,
you
know
a
reason
and
have
it
be
legitimate,
because
I
do
think
there
is.
I
I
think
it's
important
that
we
still
continue
to
meet
in
person
when
we're
able
to.
But
I
didn't
you
know
we
should
have
lifted
that,
for
you.
P
Still
on
6
0.2,
okay.
A
I'm
I'm
looking
and
I
don't
see
anything
else
from
anyone
else.
So
are
we
agreed
that
you,
you
can
participate?
A
council
member
can
participate
in
committee
or
standing
committee
or
council
remotely,
but
only
after
they
have
provided
a
good,
a
a
reason
for
their.
A
A
It
will
really
open
up
the
council
meetings
to
many
more
people,
so
we
all
agreed
on
that
all
right,
good,
all
right
all
right.
Let's
keep
moving.
A
Four,
yes,
I'm
sorry
all
right.
Let's
move
to
8.4
this
is
consideration
of
confidential
information
shall
be
consistent
with
the
open
meetings
act.
An
older
person
who
has
a
question
about
the
confidentiality
of
of
an
item
should
exercise
a
good
faith
effort
in
contacting
the
law
department.
Yes,
first
to
discuss
the
confidential
confidentiality
of
the
item
before
requesting
that
the
council
consider
its
confidentiality
all
right.
Any
the
discussion
on
that
that
makes
sense
to
me.
P
So
that's
the
way
I'm
reading.
P
A
A
procedure,
it's
a
procedure
to
follow
in
order
to
determine
confidentiality
is
that
clear
to
everyone?
Okay,
all
right!
Moving
forward
now
so
now
we're
at
9.2-
and
this
is
stand
understanding
committees
there
shall
be
four
standing
committees
of
the
city,
council
rules,
ampw
human
services,
p
d
and
a
finance
committee.
H
H
All
right,
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
this.
It
it
is
in
the
packet.
Yes,
it's
already
had
all
the
info.
Oh
thank
you!
I'm
sorry,
it
is
in
the
packet
I
made
the
referral
some
time
ago.
My
thought
after
four
years
on
the
council
is
that
we
we
do
give
budget
updates
but
they're
not
necessarily
easy
to
digest
on
the
floor
and
ask
questions
and
have
a
discussion,
and
so
I
thought
about
having
a
budget
subcommittee,
a
finance
sum
committee.
H
I
H
And
so
it
just
kind
of
models,
our
other
committees
that
would
be
chaired
by
someone
out
of
the
finance
team
as
well,
whether
it's
a
cfo
or
someone
they
designate.
I
think
we
said
meeting
monthly.
You
know
just
following
the
standard
protocols.
We
understand
that
this
committee
would
work
like
the
other,
so
they
could
make
recommendations
that
then
go
up
to
city
council,
but
they
they
are
not.
You
know
making
policy
changes
within
the
committee
body.
H
Our
thought
was
that
our
proposal
was
that
we
would
split
time
on
this
and
so
half
the
council
would
serve
for
two
years.
The
second
half
was
served
for
two
years.
Obviously
understanding
based
on
everyone's
full-time
schedule.
H
We
might
have
to
be
you
know,
flexible
with
the
date
and
such
but
being
that
the
budget
is
something
that's
really
important,
and
I
know
personally
the
way
that
it's
been
done.
We
start
talking
about
the
budget
in
the
fall,
but
it's
really
presented
to
us
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
so
that
have
been
a
little
bit
hard
to
digest
and
then,
with
more
citizen
involvement.
H
A
lot
of
citizens
have
questions
about
the
budget,
and
so
my
opinion
is
personally,
and
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
just
kind
of
have
more
time
to
talk
about
the
budget
that
just
isn't
apw
or
at
the
beginning
of
a
council
meeting
when
we
might
have
another
full
night,
and
so
we
don't
have
really
the
bandwidth
or
the
time
to
digest
everything.
And
then,
given
the
amount
of
residents
we
have
in
our
community
who
have
expertise
or
experience
with
budget
matters.
I
know
we
have.
A
Okay,
mayor
bis,
thank
you,
council.
Member
fleming.
J
J
K
Degree
of
financial
complexity,
it
should
have
one
as
well.
I
just
have
two
questions,
and
I
I
shared
this
with
you
by
email
as
well.
Council
member
one
is
regarding
item
two,
I'm
looking
at
the
list
of
seven
items
and
the
purpose
which
is
on
page
126
of
the
packet.
K
So
the
last
item
is
proposed
financial
and
budgeting
policies
for
adoption
by
the
city
council,
which
is
a
kind
of
an
advisory
role
which
I
think
makes
sense
item
two
is
provide
goals
for
the
annual
and
long-range
budget
process,
which
I'm
curious
as
to
why
that
says,
provide
goals,
as
opposed
to
proposed
goals
for
adoption
by
the
city
council
and
the
other
question
I
have
is
on
item
five,
which
is
review
and
recommend
funding
of
the
city's
pension
and
retirement
plans.
K
I
would
just
love
some
guidance,
perhaps
from
the
law
department,
regarding
the
jurisdiction
of
the
pension
boards
and
the
role
that
an
external
entity
could
play
when
it
comes
to
funding
recommendations
for
pensions.
So.
H
Wait
before
you
go,
I'm
sorry
just
so
I
can
clarify
what
we
were
thinking
there
and
and
councilmember
kelly
can
jump
in.
So
I
think
two
and
we
had
some
different
languages.
So
we've
gone
back
and
forth,
but
you
know
this
group
again
advisory
would
say
we
we
think
the
city
you
know
and
looking
at
the
budget.
We
think
they
need
to
maybe
make
a
goal,
for
you
know
long-range
budget
process.
Being
you
know
now
we
have
a
budget
process
that
people
either
love
or
don't
love.
H
So
maybe
this
committee
would
make
a
goal
or
make
a
recommendation.
I
guess
maybe
better
for
how
the
community
does.
You
know,
participates
in
our
budget
and
then
how
we
do
the
budget
right.
So
they
could
just
make
that
recommendation
and
then
goals
might
be
like
we
talked
about
last
year
with
our
savings
fund.
I
can't
remember
what
we
call
it,
but
our
you
know
every
reserve,
thank
you.
They
might
say
hey
looking
at
x,
y
and
z,
we
think
the
reserve
actually
should
be
20
and
we
think
the
city
council
should
save.
H
You
know
x
y
z
dollars
a
year
to
get
to
that
point
or
with
our
capital
spending,
instead
of
it
being
all
bonds.
You
know
our
proposal
is
that
you
know
they
adjust
spending
x,
y
and
z,
ways,
and
so
the
capital
spending
is
50
bonds
and
50
cash.
So,
and
I
think
that
is
my
thought
claire
feel
free
to
chime
in.
If
that's
not,
you
know
what
you
thought
and
then
there
was
kind
of
a
conversation
already
about
the
pension
board,
and
this
and
this
board-
that's
not
something
that
I
think
is.
H
I
think
it's
good
that
they
pay
attention
to
that.
I
don't
need
to
recreate
what
the
pension
board
is
doing.
So
I'm
happy
to
you
know
kind
of
strike
that,
because
I
think
pinching
more
people
are
very
specific
thinkers
and
should
be
on
the
pension
board,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
strike
five.
If
people
don't
support
that
one.
But
I.
L
I
agree
that,
may
I
yes
go
ahead,
so
I
absolutely
agree.
We
should
not
strike
number
five
and
I
think
there
is,
as
we
know,
our
unfunded
debt
has
been
ballooning
and
that
is
in
large
part
about
how
we
decide
not
actuarial
numbers
necessarily,
but
what
portion
we're
funding,
and
so
I
do
think
it's
a
fundamental
component
of
this
committee
and
a
really
important
component
and
to
be
working
in
working
with
the
trustees
of
the
fire
of
the
police
environment,
pension
board.
Q
Q
H
M
M
You
know
providing
a
way
for
us
to
have
a
deeper
understanding
of
of
these
issues
so
that
when
it
comes
to
budget
time,
we
we're
making.
You
know
better
informed
decisions
about
the
budget.
I
guess
I
would
like
to
just
throw
out
the
possibility
as
a
an
alternative
of
sort
of
a
hybrid
proposal,
and
that
would
be
to
expand
the
scope
of
a
pw
to
have
the
regular
monthly
in-depth
look
at
the
the
financing
and
the
budget
you
know
month
to
month
and
how
we're
doing
for
the
year.
M
M
Like
the
you
know,
discussion
about
the
pending
and
the
retirement
plans
how
we
fund
our
capital
plan,
how
I
don't
think
we
as
a
council
are
very
involved
even
in
determining
what's
in
the
capital
improvements
plan,
because
I
the
idea,
I
like
the
idea
that
people
would
all
be
have
a
child,
an
opportunity
to
be
a
member
of
this
committee,
but
half
the
board.
M
Half
the
council
would
only
get
to
that
point
two
years
from
now,
and
I
I
think
we
could
all
benefit
from
having
this
in-depth
discussion
about
some
of
these
really
complex,
complex
financial
issues
right
now,
so
that
when,
when
we
come
to
the
next
budget,
discussion
we're
all
more
up
to
speed.
So
I
just
I
throw
that
out
as
sort
of
a
an
alternative
proposal.
A
Sorry,
councilmember
reed,
okay,
council,
member
braithwaite
and
then
councilmember
kelly.
G
Thank
you
chairman
when
thank
you,
alderman
ravel,
I
mean
I
was
sitting
here
kind
of
going
through
the
same
thought
processes
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
time
that
we
have
to
make
decisions
around
the
budget
and
if
we're
going
to
involve
the
community,
I
think
it's
a
much
better
opportunity
that
we're
doing
it
more
frequently.
I
I
for
one
I
I
love
the
thought
process,
it's
just
yet
one
more
meeting
and
with
our
ap
w
schedule
and
we've
now
consolidated
our
ap
and
w
schedule
to
pass
things
on
to
consent.
G
So
the
velocity
is
moving
a
lot
quicker.
That
then,
gives
us
that
time
on
a
monthly
basis
to
do
it
without
having
to
create
yet
another
committee
meeting
and
trying
to
fit
it
in
on
another
night,
with
all
the
other
work
that
we
have
to
do
plus
full-time
schedules.
So
I
for
those
that
propose
this,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
G
L
I
yeah,
I
think
it's.
I
think
we
can
look
at
how
we
stagger
it.
Maybe
it's
not
the
two
and
two
years
so
that
council
members
participate
on
this
at
an
earlier
date
and
don't
have
to
wait
two
years.
I
think
we
can
revisit
that,
but
I
think
it's
very
important.
This
committee
would
include
citizen-based
board
members
also-
and
I
think
that's
very
important
for
this
committee-
that
we
have
expertise
from
outside
in
the
community.
L
Also.
I
think
it's
really
important.
This
committee
could
also
provide
help,
help
provide
you
know
or
ensure
that
we
get
monthly
financial
reports
regarding
trends,
whether
we're
staying
within
our
projected
budget
or
not,
and
I
think
that's
really
important
that
we
have
a
tight
reign
on
that
also,
I
need
a
little
bit
of
an
understanding.
I
feel
this
should
be
a
standing
committee
and
does
does
it
being
a
standing
committee
preclude
having
citizens
citizen
board
members.
Yes,.
J
L
P
P
And
essentially
that
it
only
reports
to
city
council
right,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
go
through
one
of
the
other
standing
committees
like
apw
pnd,
like
like,
like
this
committee,
is
a
standing
committee
and
so
anything
that
comes
any
action
taken
by
this
committee
goes
directly
to
city
council
there's.
No,
there
was
no
other
stop.
L
P
No,
there
are
other
boards
commissions
and
committees
made
up
of
that
are
hybrid,
that
do
report
directly
to
city
council,
for
example.
The
newly
formed
reparations
committee
is
a
hybrid
committee
that
will
report
directly
to
city
council
and.
P
Would
be
another
one
that
we're
still
drafting
the
ordinance
for
so
both
of
those
would
report
directly
to
city
council,
but
they
are
hybrid
committees,
they're,
just
not
standing.
P
P
In
madam
chair,
if
I
can
just
give
a
brief
history
lesson
for
the
committee
to
consider
in
the
80s,
the
police
pension
board
sued
the
city,
because
the
pension
board
made
certain
recommendations
about
how
to
fund
the
pension,
the
city
council
said
ignored
it,
and
the
court
determined
that
the
council
doesn't
have
to
accept
the
recommendations
of
the
pension
board,
but
it
does
have
to
follow
the
pension
code
when
determining
how
to
fund
the
pensions.
P
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
that
information,
because,
if
you're
considering
this
committee
to
actually
make
those
sort
of
determinations,
you
still
have
to
follow
state
law.
When
doing
it,
you
may
disagree
with
the
pension
board's
recommendation,
but
as
long
as
you're
following
state
law,
you
should
be
fine.
L
So
also
we
originally
looked.
There
are
some
I'm
looking
at
ap
w
and
modifying
ap
w's
roles,
but
we
decided
like
to
leave
that
out.
So,
in
other
words,
just
to
dovetail
a
little
bit
with
the
thoughts
about
apnw.
I
think
that
probably
we
would
have
to
examine
some
of
apnw
and
modify
some
of
the
roles
of
apnw.
Give.
A
A
Okay
can
does
staff,
have
any
examples
of
how
you
would
have
to
modify
a
pw
if,
if
it,
if
you
wanted
to
fold
the
budget,
the
finance
committee
into
the
the
actions
of
the
anpw,
I
know
we
because
we've
moved
to
the
consent
agenda
and
pw
does
move
much
more
quickly.
P
C
P
P
A
All
right,
I,
oh
sorry,
I
don't
know
who
turned
them.
J
A
Okay,
councilmember
fleming.
H
H
It
always
kind
of
comes
up
fast,
more
and
more
citizens
are
asking
about,
you
know,
participating
in
them
and
while
apnw
does
move
faster
with
consent
agenda,
you
know
it
doesn't
always
move
faster
and
it
depends
on
the
consent
agenda
and
the
comments
and
all
that
regarding
having
an
apw,
I
think,
is
what
you
said
meeting
set
aside
just
for
budget.
H
I
don't
know
if
we
could
squeeze
that
into
once
a
month
or
if
that
would
be
quarterly
or
what
have
you,
but
my
concern
with
that
is
that
we
started
that
fifth
monday
for
homeless
or
affordable
housing
and
again
that
kind
of
came
and
went
was
all
over
the
place
yeah.
So
I
mean
I
again
I
would
support.
I
would,
and
I
understand
your
concern
ottoman
excuse
me,
council,
member
breakaway
about
the
night
of
the
week.
I
also
don't
want
to
add
something
else.
However,
again,
I
think
this
is
very
important.
H
I
don't
love
the
way.
We've
done
the
budgeting
in
the
past,
and
so
I
I
just
would
like
a
better
handle
on
it.
I
am
currently
not
on
apnw.
I
suppose
I
could
adjust
my
schedule
to
go
that
way
if
the
rest
of
the
council
feels
like
this
needs
to
be
an
apw
item.
But
again
having
said
at
apnw-
and
I
was
talking
about
starting
at
4
30-
we
don't
have
a
great
history
of
you
know,
starting
and
stopping
at
the
times
we
say,
and
so
my
concern
would
be.
H
The
budget
would
have
the
potential
of
not
having
the
discussion.
It
requires,
because
we're
trying
to
kind
of
beat
the
clock
and
either
get
to
the
next
meeting
or
stop
this
other
meeting
on
time.
So
having
this
committee
having
this
committee
report
to
apw
makes
sense
to
me,
because
then
you
guys
do
have
more
information
to
chew
on.
If
you
want
to
chew
on
it
more
at
some
other
time
at
apw
and
then
again
as
it
comes
to
council,
we
can
all
discuss
it.
But
those
are
my
suggestions
for
this
committee.
M
F
I
I
will
say
that
I
am
supportive
of
this
committee.
I
wonder
if,
because
this
seems
like
somewhat
of
a
there's,
not
consent,
there
isn't
consensus
here.
If
this
is
something
we
should
take
a
either
vote
or
a
straw
poll
on
to
move
forward,
so
we
don't
have
staff
prepare
something
that
either
you
know
that
that
doesn't
have
support
of
the
council.
You
know
this
is
a
pretty
big
thing,
creating
a
new
committee,
so
I
think
we
should.
I
think
it
should
have
the
the
the
you
know.
F
Full
the
budget
is,
is
large
enough
and
important
enough
that
it
should
have
a
committee
that
focuses
solely
on
the
budget
and
I
think
we
should
move
in
that
direction.
I
think
it
should
be
a
committee
that
reports
directly
to
council.
I
don't
think
it
should
be
a
subcommittee
of
ap
w
or
you
know
some
other
formulae.
Another
way.
I
think
it
should
have
council
members
and
and
residents
on
it.
So
I
am
supportive
of
moving
forward
with
this
pretty
much
as
presented.
F
I
did
want
to
note
one
thing
with
the
pension
board
earlier
that
you
know.
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
this
committee
again
within
the
law,
to
at
least
monitor
what
the
pension
boards
are
doing
and-
and
you
know
make
sure
that
they're
on
on
on
track
and
performing
well.
A
To
begin
with-
and
I
understand
that,
okay-
let
me
just
hear
from
well-
I
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
because
I
haven't
spoken
yet
I
I
really
like
the
idea
of
having
a
finance
committee.
I
think
it
is
critically
important.
I
I
also
like
the
idea
of
folding
it
into
a
pw.
I
like
the
fact
that
I
would
prefer
that
it
be
a
standing
committee
because
of
its
significance-
and
I
I
am
concerned
I'll,
speak
out
about
the
residents
serving
on
that.
A
In
terms
of,
I
think
that
we
have
many
members
of
the
community
who
are
very,
very
interested
in
the
budget,
and
I
think
by
appointing
just
a
select
few
to
this
committee
that
elevates
them
above
some
of
the
other
members
of
the
community,
who
might
have
just
as
much
of
an
interest
in
this
and
they
were
not
elected
to
to
serve
on
the
council.
So
I
think,
having
people
certainly
participate
and
be
very
active
in
the
discussion
with
the
finance
committee.
A
All
right
who
is
next
here,
alderman.
G
G
L
L
G
Can
I,
I
guess
a
point
of
clarification,
then
to
alden
flemington,
so
two
I
just
want
to
make
a
clear
distinction
between
the
function
of
the
committees
because,
as
we
all
know,
and
those
who
sit
through
like
ap
w
passes
the
bill.
So
it's
like
our
operational
expenses,
anything
that
comes
up
like
how,
in
the
concept
of
developing
this
new
committee
and
I'll
turn
that
on
it
may
seem
like
talking
about.
G
Are
you
then
advising
ap
and
w,
because
in
a
couple
of
months
we're
going
into
budget
season?
And
so
I'm
just
in
my
mind,
I
don't
have
a
flow
chart,
so
I
just
want
to
understand
like
the
basic
function
when
we
go
into
the
budget
cycle,
because
we're
going
to
start
this
whole
thing
over
and
over
again
with
a
lot
of
long
meetings
focused
on
the
budget.
So
where
does
this
meeting
this
committee
fall
into
play?
Just
so
I
understand
what
we're
we're
doing
here.
Yes,.
H
H
I
mean
we
get
the
budget,
it
has
to
the
capital
improvement
plan
and
there
they
tell
us
how
they're
going
to
pay
for
it.
We
just
say
okay,
so
I
think
this
committee
does
more
so
right
if
it
gears
up
now,
it's
kind
of
start.
Looking
at
the
budget
when
everybody
stresses
not
the
budget,
so
it's
not
going
to
necessarily
come.
I
would
imagine
this
year
with
like
huge
budget
recommendations,
because
it's
going
to
be
looking
at
the
budget
starting
the
same
day.
H
We
look
at
the
budget,
but
it's
going
to
be
following
the
budget
and
again
having
served
on
apw
for
four
years.
I
would
challenge
that
we
don't
really
dig
into
the
budget.
Yes,
we
pay
the
bills.
We
do
those
things
we're
not
really
digging
into
the
budget
in
apw,
we
are
doing
the
fiscal
management,
but
we're
not
spending
a
lot
of
time
in
ap
w.
From
my
experience
talking
about
the
budget
itself,
where
are
we
at
in
the
budget?
Where
we're
going?
Are
we
going
to
be
in
a
deficit?
H
You
know
for
the
budget
for
that
line
item,
but
not
for
the
overall
budget
right
it
wouldn't
so
how
we
started
this
year
or
ended
last
year.
I
can't
remember
which
one
where
we
did
adjustments.
We
did
budget
modifications
right.
We
we
had
a
surplus,
we
did
a
modification.
H
This
group
would
have
known
that
was
coming
now.
We,
they
don't
have
a
crystal
glass
to
necessarily
stop
things
that
are
happening,
but
as
they
get
some
kind
of
you
know
as
they
get
some
meetings
under
their
belt
and
are
really
solely
focused
on
it.
It
would
be
similar
to
what's
the
one
that
does
not
pnd.
But
what
is
it
dba
like?
We
have
all
these
zoning
boards
onto
zba
and
right.
They
spend
a
lot
of
work.
H
H
They
spent
time
on
this
one
issue
and
they
bring
forth
their
recommendations
and
then
the
memos
that
we
look
at
say
you
know
zba,
you
know
suggests
we
do
this
or
they
don't,
and
so
this
would
be
the
same
thing
and
I
think
in
terms
of
having
citizens
on
it,
while
we
only,
I
think,
put
in
the
memo
for
a
couple
citizens,
that's
because
we
wanted
to
not
have
these
meetings
that
are
hard
to
attain
for
quorum
wise.
But
it's
again
same
as
every
other
committee.
H
We
have
lots
of
people
who
want
to
be
on
all
of
our
committees.
The
mayor
chooses
you
know
who
he's
going
to
choose
and
we
tell
other
people.
You
know
hey
apply
again
right.
So
it's
not
like
we're
saying
these
two
people
are
somehow
another
more
special
than
anyone
else,
they're
just
saying
they're
serving
a
term
on
this
committee
for
this
for
this
time
period.
H
Just
like
I
have
lots
of
people
in
my
ward,
who
are
still
waiting
to
get
on
other
committees
that
they've
applied
for
a
long
time
ago.
So
that's
my
difference,
peter.
I
think
we
could
do
more
in
thinking
of
the
budget
committee,
I
mean
I'm
thinking
of
the
budget
at
apnw,
but
because
we
had
not
done
that
because
everyone
doesn't
serve
on
apnw,
because
the
budget
is
massive
and
we
just
kind
of
take
what
the
what
the
you
know,
city
manager
gives
us
when
we
look
at
the
budget.
H
I
just
think
this
gives
us
a
better
opportunity
to
look
and
hone
in
and
this
group
to
give
advice
which
the
council
could
then
say.
Yes,
no,
you
know,
I
don't
care,
but
at
least
we
know
that
people
are
looking
at
it
and
we
can
flag
some
things
that
maybe
would
save
us
some
time
once
we
get
to
the
budget
or
even
after
we
pass
the
budget.
If
trends
are
looking
up
or
down
or
whatever.
A
H
Again,
I'm
just
speaking
from
my
last
four
years
of
the
ap
w
committee.
We
don't
always
have
time,
we
can
say
we're
going
to
have
time,
but
we
don't
always
have
time.
Sometimes
we
have
a
few
things
on
the
agenda.
Sometimes
we
have
a
lot
of
things.
Sometimes
we
pull
off
one
thing.
Sometimes
we
pull
off
ten
things.
A
A
H
I
think
someone
needs
to
look
at
the
bills
and
right.
This
committee
is
not
looking
at
the
bills
they're
not
looking
at
purchasing
the
vehicles,
they're,
not
doubling
what
apw
does,
but
I
just
don't
think
again
in
my
four
years
that
we've
made
a
commitment
to
really
really
look
at
the
budget
outside
of
the
fall
time
when
the
budget
is
presented
to
us.
P
So
if
I'm,
if
I
may,
council
member
fleming
the
way
this
is
written
in
the
packet,
seems
to
take
away
some
of
the
duties
of
apw
and
place
it
into
the
finance
committee-
and
maybe
I
miss
reading
it.
But
that's
to
your
point
that
it's
not
taking
away
those
things
I
just
it
says
this
committee
considers
matters
relating
to
bills,
budgets,
financial
reporting
and
management,
investments,
rating
agencies,
police
and
fire
pension
boards.
H
Right
so,
and
so
I
think
the
only
thing
I
would
say
there
is
bills,
but
I
don't
see
this
as
like.
Looking
at
the
amazon
credit
card
bill
right,
that's
not
what
this
committee's
doing,
but
they
might
say,
hey.
We
want
to
look
quarterly
at
what
what
is
our
spending
right
or
they?
You
know
this.
This
committee
would
have,
I
think,
that's
in
there
as
something
that
they
would
be
looking
at,
but
all
right
monthly.
H
I
don't
think
see
them
looking
at
the
budget
and
the
the
spending
as
we
do
in
ap
w.
Okay,
I
mean
that's,
not
my
vision
for
it
now
this
committee
might
say:
hey
we,
the
credit
card
spending
is
high.
Let's
spend
some
time
and
let's
make
some
recommendations
around
that,
but
those
bills
might
already
be
approved
right,
they're,
not
going
to
look
at
them
and
then
say:
hey.
Yes,
we
approve
these
spending.
H
A
So,
in
the
interest
of
continuing
to
stay
relatively
prompt,
I
am
going
to
suggest
that
we
stop
where
we
are
right
now
and
we
can
that
we
need
to
wrap
up
this
discussion
and
then
move
move,
adjourn
the
rules
committee
and
hold
the
rest
of
the
discussion
until
our
july
meeting,
which
we
will
have
and
then
move
into
executive
session.
H
All
right,
so
I
I
just
have
one
objection
and
as
the
chair
of
human
services,
I
don't
want
to
go
along,
but
yeah,
four
five,
I'm
sorry
our
r5
and
r6
were
held
from
last
time
and
they
happened
to
be
my
items,
but
you
know
they
were
held
from
last
time,
and
so,
if
we
don't
get
to
them
this
time,
then
they're
now
you
know
moved
again.
H
A
K
A
F
I
also
just
want
to
raise
objections.
I
I
think
you
know
some.
Some
of
these
are
straightforward.
R3,
particularly,
I
think
is
pretty
straightforward.
R2
may
require
some
discussion,
but
I
think
you
know
I'd
appreciate
if
we,
if
we
got
through
our
two
and
our
three.
H
P
So,
yes,
I
was
going
to
ask
chair
if.
H
A
So
it
has
to
be,
it
has
to
be
either
a
special
committee
or
a
subcommittee
correct.
And
if
it's
a
subcommittee,
it's
a
subcommittee
of
what
that's.
P
So-
and
there
was
some
discussion
that
you
guys
wanted
to
report
directly
to
council,
so
it
probably
should
be
a
special
committee
and
if
that's
the
case,
then
that's
fine
and
and
there's
also
a
red
line
in
here
for
9.7,
which
actually
defines
the
finance
sub
special
committee.
We
can
move
that,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
if
you
guys
vote
to
make
that
happen.
Then
I
know
where
to
put
it
in
the
rules.
That's
all
okay,.
C
H
If
people
are
again,
I'm
not
trying
to
use
anyone's
time
if
people
don't,
if
we
want
to
have
it
as
a
regular,
a
committee
that
just
is
made
up
of
whatever
council
members
are
interested
and
citizens-
that's
fine.
We
don't
have
to
do
the
rotation
if
people
feel
like
you
know
they
don't
want
to
do
that
because
of
their
time
constraints
I
totally
get
that
I
don't
need
to
force
anyone
to
give
up
another
night
of
their
life.
I.
G
Obligations-
and
you
know
you
don't
have
to-
I
mean
I'll
either
way
this
goes.
I
again
we're
all
interested
in
the
budget.
There's
not
a
question
that
it's
just.
How
do
we
be
the
most
efficient
with
our
time,
and
I
just
hope
that
the
two
don't
come
in
conflict
where
I'm
like?
Oh
now,
I
got
to
go
back
and
watch
the
meeting
understand
what
we're
doing
here
at
apnw
and
so.
G
A
R
So
the
staggered
is
a
little
concerning,
because
I
this
is
a
committee
that
I
would
want
to
just
be
on.
It's
really
important
that
for
my
award,
I
have
a
vote
on
some
of
these
recommendations
that
start
on
this
committee
and
make
their
way
to
council.
So
I
kind
of
like
how
we
do
it
already
with
you
know.
Whoever
is
interested.
R
Maybe
we
set
a
certain
amount,
but
if
you're
interested
you
can
sit
on
the
committee
if
you're
not
you're,
not-
and
I
know
you
just
mentioned
that-
but
I
would
personally
like
that,
because
this
is
a
committee
that
I
would
want
to
be
on
year-round,
because
some
of
the
questions
that
I
had
some
months
ago
and
I
had
one-on-one
conversations
with
councilmember
braithway
about
this-
is
that
and-
and
let
me
know
if
this
committee
would
would
be-
would
do
this
work
or
if
it
would
be
ap
and
w,
but
is
like.
R
I'm
not
sure
apnw
has
the
time
to
really
go
through
every
department
line
by
line
and
do
that
work,
and
so,
if
it
does
great,
but
I
saw
this
committee
as
as
potentially
a
committee
that
could
do
that
work
in
addition,
interested
in
exploring
crediting
an
actual
reserve
fund
as
opposed
to
having
a
reserve
fund
balance,
which
is
just
a
general
fund
balance
again,
I
I
saw
this
committee
as
a
committee
that
could
potentially
explore
that
work.
R
So
if
it
is,
you
know,
I
think
that
would
be
the
place
to
have
this
happen.
I
think
we
need
to
really
go
line
by
line
through
each
department,
because
we
have
you
know
obviously,
unfunded
pension
responsibilities,
debt
service
obligations
and
we
just
can't
the
community.
R
My
ward
folks
in
my
ward,
not
everyone
but
just
can't
afford
any
more
property
tax
increases,
especially
if
we
don't
absolutely
need
them
and
so
continuing
to
balance
our
budget
by
raising
property
taxes
and
not
having
a
mechanism
to
explore
more
creative
ways
to
to
bring
in
revenue
is,
is
a
problem
for
me,
and
so
I
would
love
for
this
committee
to
kind
of
lead
on
that
work.
R
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
those,
and
I
I
think,
having
the
community
members
be
able
to
participate,
is
really
important
for
me,
because
I
I
we
see
so
many
things,
obviously
from
jamie,
but
also
others
that
the
staff
is
not
required
to
react
to,
and
I
need
that
reaction
right
like
if
we
have
somebody
that
presents.
R
You
know
a
two
three
page
response
to
a
budget
item
to
our
budget
and
there's
no
reaction,
formal
reaction
from
from
our
staff.
That's
a
concern
for
me,
like
I
want
to
find
a
space
where
community
members
who
have
an
expertise
who
are
thought
leaders
in
this
space
can
can
kind
of
work
with
us
and
our
staff
to
kind
of
get
to
the
bottom
of
this
stuff,
and
we
we
saw
that,
especially
in
the
the
situation
with
with
expanding
access
to
to
the
lakefront
to
our
beaches.
R
So,
however,
we
can
formalize
that
that
that's
really
what
I'm
it's
a
council
member
braceways
point
about.
What's
the
problem,
that's
the
problem.
I
need
staff
to
be
reacting
to
our
community
members
who
are
providing
some
really
good
insight
on
our
budget
and.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
so
I
think
those
are
all
excellent
points,
so
I
think
so
at
this
point
I
really
do
want
to
keep
us
moving
along
at
this
point,
I'm
looking
at
9.2,
where
we
have
the
finance
committee
listed
as
a
standing
committee.
So
we
need
to
strike
that
correct.
A
Agree
to
strike
that
because
this
is
if,
if
it's
a
if
it's
a
special
committee,
it's
not
a
standing
committee,
so
let's
strike
that
and
then
and
then
we
need
to
strike
the
finance
committee
shall
meet
at
xyz
time.
So
we
have
to
create
the
finance
committee.
This
comes
later,
I
believe
in
in
the
rule.
So
those
two
things
need
to
be
need
to
be
removed.
Then
moving
on
to
9.3
the
rules.
A
I
believe
that
subsection
a
here
because
it
relates
back
to
that
earlier-
is
gone.
So
subsection
small,
a
a
small,
a
is,
is
stricken.
M
A
P
A
Yeah
all
right,
thank
you
eagle,
I
rebel
there
so
then
moving
forward.
I
next
see
9.5,
which
is
changing
the
membership
of
human
services
committee.
J
J
A
P
A
Next
page
page
106,
okay
of
your
packet,
I
see
special
special
committees.
P
Yes,
so
I'll
add
finance
committee
and
assignments
under
special
committees,
defining
it
as
a
special
committee.
Yes,
I
will
utilize
the
memo
provided
by
council
member
fleming
to
define
it
in
its
assignments
and
then
that's
something
that
you
guys
can
either
vote
up
or
down
in
july.
Okay,.
K
I
believe
there's
a
understandable
confusion
about
the
the
request.
My
understanding
of
the
request
is
the
finance
committee
and
assignments
are
two
different
entities,
and
it's
what
I
think
and
I'm
I'm
sort
of
intuiting
what
must
have
been
an
email
exchange
between
you
and
council
member
suffragen.
K
But
what
I
think
is
being
referred
to,
as
assignments
is
what
I've
talked
to
some
colleagues
is
what
you,
what
you
might
call
a
referrals
committee
or
a
references
committee,
and
the
idea
here
is
to
deal
with
the
flow
of
referrals
so
that
every
council
member's
referrals
are
directed
to
the
proper
committee
in
a
timely
fashion
in
a
way,
that's
consistent
with
staff
capacity
in
a
manner
that's
totally
transparent,
and
the
idea
here
would
be,
in
fact,
to
create
a
standing
committee
whose
sole
responsibility
is
to
assign
referrals
out
to
committees
to
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
completely
transparent
way
of
overseeing
the
workflow
and
making
sure
that
everything
gets
a
fair
hearing
in
a
timely
fashion,
and
I
know
it's
late,
we
want
to
break
I'm
happy
I've.
A
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you!
So,
council
member
reed.
F
Yes,
I
I
like
the
idea
of
the
referral
committee
or
committee
on
references.
I
forget
what
the
title
is,
but
I
do
think
it
creates
a
step
that
is,
it
may
be
unnecessary.
As
the
code
currently
stands,
reference
referral
should
be
sent
to
the
city
clerk
and
then
the
city
clerk
would
maintain,
presumably
a
record
of
all
the
referrals
and
then
send
those
to
the
committee
chairs,
and
I
think
it's
really
up
to
the
committee
chair
to
set
their
agenda
and
determine
you
know.
F
Given
that
we're
gonna
have
it,
you
know,
determine
how
long
the
meeting
is
going
to
be
determine
how
many
things
are
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
and
then
move
from
there.
I
don't
know
what
a
committee
on
referrals
would
necessarily
solve
that
shouldn't
just
be
done
through
the
regular
staff
process.
K
Sure,
just
very
quickly,
I
I
think
that
what
we've
encountered
just
in
this
last
month,
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
different
council
members,
some
who
feel
that
they're
initiatives
are
being
undermined
by
staff.
Some
feel
that
their
initiatives
aren't
getting
a
quick
enough
hearing.
Others
who
feel
like
they're
not
getting
a
chance
to
get
a
word
in
android.
There's
just
been
a
lot
of
anxiety
about
what
is
the
workflow
who's
deciding?
What
is
the
staff
capacity
who's
deciding
that?
K
F
J
K
G
Just
the
point
of
privilege-
and
I'm
I'm
I
want
to
be
so
respectful
of
folks-
we
have
an
executive
session
meeting.
That's
important.
We've
had
only
a
handful
of
council
meetings
to
where
we
can
continue
to
work
this
out.
I
would
just
respectfully
ask
also
because
we
have
a
human
services
agenda
if
we
can
pause
where
we
are
and
go
into
executive
discussion,
so
we
can
get
the
updates
that
we've
all
been
waiting
to
hear
based
on
the
conversation
this
weekend.
G
H
Happy
to
not
our
five,
I
think
it's
important.
I
would
hope.
It'd
be
the
first
thing
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
meeting,
but
I'm
happy
to
not
push
for
that
to
be
done.
But
if
we
could
just
finish
this
piece-
and
maybe
we
can
hear
from
mr
burns
since
he
had
his
light
on
and
yes.
A
Item
so
I
do
think
I
I
I
and
I
recognize
mayor
best,
that
this
is
very
important,
so
I
and
and
the
value
of
this
I
I
do
think
this
needs
a
little
more
discussion
council
member
burns.
R
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
city
clerk
responsibilities,
because
I
do
think
this
is
something
that
the
clerk
could
do
and
if
not,
if
we
do
create
the
committee,
I
think
the
clerk
should
participate
in
that
committee,
but
you
know,
as
as
a
former
interim
deputy
clerk,
there
was
a
lot
of
kind
of
work
and
responsibility
that
that
we
we
tried
to
achieve
and
the
office
is
not
what
it
was
even
when
we
came
in
it
had
many
responsibilities
that
it
doesn't
have
now,
and
so
I
think
this
is
because
it's
already
in
the
code
that
the
the
clerk
kind
of
handle
referrals,
I
think
we
just
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
like
the
work
that
we
want
our
city
clerk
to
do,
and
I
think
this
is
a
responsibility
the
clerk
can
handle
without
having
maybe
to
add
another
layer
of
committees-
maybe
maybe
not
but
separate
from
this.
A
Okay,
that
will
be
another
agenda
item.
I
think
we
need
we
do
need
to
come
to.
We
need
to
end
this
meeting
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
respectful
of
everyone's
issues.
I
I
like
the
idea
of
an
assignment
committee.
I
I
think
it
maybe
needs
a
little
bit
more
explanation
to
other
members
of
of
the
rules
committee.
Can
we
put
that
on
the
july
meeting.
P
Can
we
move
forward?
I
would
ask
if
you
said
you
have
a
draft
of
what
this
would
look
like.
Yes,
if
you
could
provide
it
and
then
I
will
just
put
it
in
this
document,
for
you
guys
in
july.
A
A
So,
let's
do
a
strong
poll
I
that
it
goes
on.
Yes,
it
goes
on
the
july
agenda,
the
rules
committee.
No,
it
does
not.
Oh.
H
I
wasn't
thinking
that
I'm
sorry
I
was
I
was
thinking
of
straw
poll
like
yes,
I
support
this
committee
creation
and
then,
if,
if
if
that
passes
and
then
it
goes
to
council
comings
and
then
he
brings
it
back
in
july,
we
can
vote
right
for
approval
of
it.
That
also
gives
us
time
to
see
the
draft
the
mayor
has
and
make
our
edits
right.
A
Well,
that's
what
I
thought
I
was
saying
so
you're
supporting
no
you're.
Not
am
I
not
clear,
I'm
sorry,
okay,
ms
franchelno,
would
you
call
the
wrong
there's,
not
a
motion.
A
F
Would
like
to
see
our
r2
r3.
N
F
J
A
Interaction:
councilmember
reed.
I
think,
because
that
we
haven't,
we
haven't
decided
what
to
do
with
them.
So
I'm
I'm,
I
would
say
we
should
keep
them
on
for
discussion
at
this
point
before
we
determine
because
that's
why
we
have
things
I
mean.
H
I
know,
but
I
do
think
to
his
point
because
the
same
with
r5
right
I
mean
these
now
have
been
and
we're
not
finished
with
the
rules.
So
we
got
to
pick
up
the
rules
at
the
next
meeting,
so
we're
starting
at
whatever
and
and
then,
if
we
happen
for
discussion,
then
if
we
don't
meet
in
august
right
I
mean
I
just
think:
okay.
A
Out
so
our
two
remain
separate.
Our
fi
three
remain
separate.
A
A
A
moment
just
a
moment,
I'm
sorry
the
the
marvelous
ms
francello.
J
A
Done
the
the
recalculation,
and
so
it
turns
out
that
for
human
services
chair
for
may
2022
to
september,
2022
should
be
alderman,
councilmember
revell.
J
A
I
H
A
All
right
that
concludes
item
r1,
so
now
seeing
no
further
action.
I.
Q
I'll
move
that,
pursuant
to
five
illinois
compiled
statutes,
ilcs
120
2a,
I
moved
the
rules
committee
convene
into
executive
session
to
discuss
agenda
items
regarding
personnel.
This
agenda
item
is
a
permitted
sub,
is
permitted
subject
to
be
considered
an
executive
session
and
is
an
enumerated
exception
under
the
open
meetings
act.
These
exceptions
are
five
ilcs
120,
2a
and
c1
set
forth
as
follows.