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A
B
A
You
all
right:
I'm
gonna,
move
approval
of
regular
meeting
minutes
from
October
7
2000
19
rules
committee
move
approval.
Second,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
That
motion
carries
we're.
Gonna
start
with
item
a1,
which
is
approve
of
the
2020
Committee
minutes
scheduled.
It
is
in
the
packet.
B
A
Right
so
I
moved
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
almost
all
right.
That
motion
carries
as
well
when
I
move
on
to
item
for
consideration
a
to
appointment
of
the
City
Council
liaison
to
the
Animal
Welfare
Board
staff
recommends
we
appoint
author
and
disc
as
a
city
council
liaison
to
the
animal
welfare
port
autumn
and
Braithwaite
is
stepping
off
of
that
committee
in
autumn
and
Fisk
is
going
to
replace
him.
C
D
A
All
right
item
a3
resolution,
12
R
20
and
many
City
Council
rules
to
address
table
in
an
item
a
date
certain.
So
this
one
reset
the
discretion
of
City
Council
staff
submits
for
consideration.
Adoption
of
solution,
12
r
20
amending
city
council
rules
18-6
to
modify
the
method
to
table
a
matter
to
a
date
certain
before
the
council
in
his
committee,
I.
C
A
C
A
To
a
future
date,
certain
I
assume
that
means
any
day
certain
there
no
parameters
there.
All
rights
moved
in
second
ain't,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Alright.
That
matter
carries
as
well,
and
the
next
ones
are
for
ordinance,
18,
OH,
20
amending
title
1,
chapter
8
city
manager,
so
this
ordinance
updates
the
city
code
to
match
the
City
Council
rules
pertaining
to
the
removal
of
a
city
manager.
This
update
specifies
the
removal
of
a
city
manager
requires
a
vote
of
7
or
more
so
this
is
the
match.
E
F
B
F
E
Was
yeah
that
was
going
to
be
my
question
whether
it
had
to
be
five
affirmative
out
of
the
committee,
or
can
this
committee
passed
with
the
majority
it
on
to
Council
I
mean
I
think
this
does
require
a
conversation
amongst
the
entire
council
and
we're
missing
several
people
tonight.
But
I
also
know
that
this
committee
is
not
meeting
for
another
two
months
and
I
think
we
want
to
take
care
of
this
matter,
particularly
before
we
hire
the
next
city,
the
next
city
manager.
F
Right
because
we
don't
have
legal
concentrator
night,
I
won't
be
comfortable,
making
the
determination
on
the
number
of
votes
required
to
pass
it
along.
So
my
suggestion
would
be.
We
either
hold
a
special
rules
committee
meeting
at
some
point
now
between
now
and
the
next
one
or
we
could
table
it
or
hold
it
for
the
next
meeting.
Alderman.
A
G
A
Right
well,
I,
don't
think
we
can
I
mean
we
don't
have
legal
counsel
here.
I
would
not
be
in
favor
of
holding
a
special
Rules
Committee
for
one
item,
I
mean
I,
understand,
people
are
absent,
for
whatever
reasons
are
absent,
but
we
have
to
carry
on
with
the
business
of
the
city,
so
I
think
holding
a
special
rules
meeting
for
one
item
after
we've
had
these
items
some
of
them
on
the
pending
for
a
while,
because
we've
had
to
cancel
just
as
not
good
use
of
staff
time
so.
C
C
A
C
A
D
A
C
C
A
F
Yes,
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
foresee
it
as
an
occasion
where
Fridays
would
be
necessary
and
if
it
is
for
whatever
reason
it
will
be
communicated
to
the
public
in
the
City
Council.
But
I
will
continue
to
shoe
for
Wednesday's
will
use
Thursdays
when
necessary
and
I
do
not
foresee
a
practice
where
Fridays
become
an
occurrence.
All.
C
A
E
E
Well,
then
I
want
to
change
the
amount
of
time
upfront,
but
a
lot
that
amount
of
time
just
for
items
that
are
on
the
agenda
and
then
for
people
that
want
to
speak
to
items
that
are
off
the
agenda.
They
would
do
that
at
the
end
of
the
council
meeting
again
this
would
be
a
change.
You
have
to
then
figure
out
time,
wise.
G
I
think
that
we
should
leave
it
as
it
is
that
I
think
there
have
been
times
where
we
have
someone
who
comes
to
citizen
comment
on
an
issue
that
is
not
before
us.
Who
raises
a
really
salient
issue
that
the
council
may
not
have
thought
about
or
or
have
considered
yet
and
actually,
then
we
then
move
forward
and
do
investigate
it
and
take
action
on
it.
So
and
I
do
think
that
the
citizen
comment
serves
a
role
as
the
opportunity
for
any
citizen
to
come
and
talk
to
the
entire
council
at
once
and
I.
G
Don't
think
that
they
should
be
I
would
views.
It
view
it
as
somewhat
a
bit
of
a
penalty
to
have
to
sit
through
our
entire
meeting
to
then
speak
because,
frankly,
if
it's
on
a
non-agenda
item,
they
don't
really
need
to
be
here.
For
the
entire
meeting
I
mean
they
might
want
to
be
for
their
own
personal
edification,
but
that's
not
necessarily
required.
So
I
do
think.
G
The
45
minutes
is
an
appropriate
amount
of
time
for
all
of
citizen
comment
and
if
we
do
have
a
citizen
who
raises
an
issue,
that's
not
on
the
agenda
that
just
gets
folded
into
the
amount
of
time,
so
I
I
don't
see
that
we
should
move
this
at
all.
I
think
and
anyone
should
be
willing
able
to
come
and
speak
to
us
on
any
topic.
It's
the
same
thing
as
sending
us
all
an
email
except
that
they're
telling
us
all
at
once.
Ottoman.
A
C
C
Until
people
who
have
signed
up
finished
speaking,
it's
never
45
minutes.
So
we
fool
ourselves
when
we
pretend
like
that
happens,
so
I
think
the
rule
should
be
that
people
can
stand
up
at
the
microphone
and
speak
as
long
as
they
want.
But
the
council
meeting
must
start
45
minutes
after
the
completion
of
plan
development,
and
if
people
want
to
talk
for
40
minute,
the
first
person
wants
to
talk
for
40
minutes
and
the
second
person
wants
to
talk
for
five
minutes.
C
Then
everybody
else
has
to
wait
until
the
council
meetings
over,
but
the
council
meeting
should
start
45
minutes
to
the
second
after
planning
and
development
starts,
and
there
should
be
no
time
limit,
because
I
think
it
is
foolish
to
pretend
we're
listening
to
people
when
we
give
them
one
minute
and
three
seconds
to
speak,
because
we
they
can't
say
what
they
want
to
say
so
I
think
there
should
be
no
time
limit
on
people.
We
would
ask
them
to
be
to
be.
C
You
know
thoughtful
of
their
neighbor
who
also
wants
to
speak,
but
that
they
should
they
should.
You
know
just
speak
for
until
45
minutes.
The
meetings
gonna
start
and
who's
ever
speaking
at
that
point,
we'll
have
to
stop
speaking
and
we
begin
the
council
meeting,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
the
courage
to
do
that,
and
so
our
meetings
will
continue
to
begin
at
10:30
court
at
11:00.
C
Whatever
time
they
start,
and
we
will
have
people
like
very
freedmen
who
continue
to
stand
up
there
and
say
you
never
answer
our
questions
and
we
continue
to
talk
and
we
never
hear
and
it'll
just
go
on
and
on
and
no
matter
what
rule
we
set.
Unless
we
set
a
start
time
will
ever
change.
Citizen
comment
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
A
A
So
since
this
is
my
item,
I
will
speak
first
number
two
of
this
I.
Don't
remember!
Oh,
can
someone
second
this
please
so
I
can
speak.
Sir.
Thank
you.
So
just
for
clarification,
number
two
I,
don't
remember
making
as
part
of
my
question
but
I
guess
that
would
have
come
before
my
predecessor,
who
had
a
smaller
list
of
context.
A
A
I
would
assume
that
once
I'm
out
of
office,
I
no
longer
have
access
to
the
city
database,
so
I
have
whatever
emails
I
had
on
my
own
personal
computer
beforehand,
but
in
terms
of
the
warden,
the
newsletters
I
do
have
lots
of
opinions
about
those,
so
I
have
had
a
couple
of
them
censored
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
and
my
question
had
to
do
with
what
are
the
parameters
of
that.
So
one
of
the
newsletters
I
reported
on
something
that
was
in
our
bills
list,
and
that
was
frowned
upon.
A
The
next
one
I
gave
a
opinion
about
something
that
we
had
over
a
hundred
citizens
speak
about,
and
that
was
also
frowned
upon.
My
question
about
this
to
the
city
manager
had
to
do
with
in
comparison
to
the
newsletter
that
the
mayor
sent
out.
That
talked
about
potentially
one
of
his
peers
on
the
council
break
in
the
law
and
opened
up
an
investigation
with
Tom
dart,
which
I
think
is
his
opinion,
and
he
felt
very
strongly
about
delivering
that
message
and
I
had
no
qualms
about
him,
delivering
the
message,
and
that
was
not
redacted.
A
So
I
would
like
some
rules
that
in
terms
of
what
does
go
out
in
the
public
newsletter
and
what
does
not
so
that
is
why
it's
on
the
agenda,
obviously
I
feel
like
that's
an
elected
official
people
elected
me
to
hear
my
opinion
on
things.
As
alderman
Rainey
said,
our
meetings
already
go
on
forever.
I
don't
have
time
to
lecture
my
time.
I
do
have
a
chance
to
give
in
to
pinging
this
off-topic.
A
It's
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
that
call
of
the
wars
which
frequently
we
have
empty
room
pour
and
I
also
don't
control
the
newsletter.
So
I
write
my
piece
and
I
send
it
in
to
get
sent
out
through
the
council.
I
guess
I
could
have
my
own
list
serve
as
I
did
during
the
campaign
and
send
it
out
that
way.
But
does
it
really
make
sense,
in
my
opinion,
for
people
to
get
to
different
newsletters?
H
I
also
want
to
add
to
this
discussion
that
you
know
we've
said
we
send
out
newsletters
with
links
to
purchase
a
northwestern
football
tickets
or
purchase
tickets
to
the
mayor's
state
of
the
city
address,
which
is
a
Chamber
of
Commerce
event.
I
think
it
is
very
dangerous
to
say
that
elected
officials
can't
put
their
opinions
into
award
newsletters.
If
we
had
legal
staff
here,
maybe
they
could
come
up
with
a
disclaimer
to
say
that
the
positions
in
there
aren't
official
City
positions,
but
we
are
elected
to
take
votes
which
are
opinions
in
action.
H
H
It's
not
like
it
she's,
taking
a
lot
of
time
and
I
I
think
there's
a
real
disconnect
between
the
administration
of
the
city
and
the
residents
when
we
have
a
legal
staff
who
would
say
that
there
is
no
place
for
opinions
in
city
newsletters
from
elected
officials
to
their
constituents.
So
if
we're
going
to
talk
about
opinions,
I'd
like
us,
also
to
have
a
policy
on
any
sort
of
click
through
purchases,
we
should
get
at
minimum
and
affiliate
fee
for
that,
I.
H
H
A
G
I
do
think
that
newsletters
are
certainly
very,
very
valuable
and
I
think
the
the
question
that
I
would
have
is
when
an
alderman,
when
it's
appropriate
I,
think
that
the
question
is:
when
does
what
an
alderman
put
in
their
newsletter
potentially
put
the
city
in
a
position
of
liability
and
I?
Think
that's
the
concern.
I
think
explaining
a
vote
is
a
is
an
appropriate
use
of
the
newsletter.
It
would
be
the
same
as
if
you
were
at
a
Ward
meeting,
and
someone
said
why
did
you
vote
for
this
item?
G
The
corporation
counsels
concern
over
that,
but
I
don't
think
that
explaining
that
you
voted
no
on
a
particular
item
or
YES
on
a
particular
item
is
necessarily
something
that
should
be
prohibited
and
I'd
like
to
hear
more
from
our
corporation
counsel
about
about
whether
that
was
a
problem.
I,
don't
see
why
it
would
be
I
can
see
the
problem
of
just
as
it
would
be
if
we
were
in
any
public
setting
as
an
alderman
to
say
something
that
puts
the
city
in
jeopardy
of
liability.
C
I
agree
with
everything
Tom
said
Tom
suffered
and
said
regarding
explaining
in
any
detail
required
regarding
any
issue
having
to
do
with
the
budget
and
any
vote
having
to
do
with
the
budget
or
really
any
vote
on
any
matter.
That's
before
us
any
matter,
I
am
completely
in
agreement
with
not
not
writing
in
a
newsletter,
not
writing
publicly
in
a
newsletter
about
a
position
on
a
personnel
matter
before
the
council,
which
is
in
violation
of
the
confidentiality
issue.
Here
you.
F
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
opine
on
the
second
piece
of
this
first
I'll.
Explain
why
we
don't
have
legal
counsel
here
tonight
is
that
we
have
one
person
out
on
paternity
leave.
One
person
is
on
vacation
and
the
other
person
had
a
sick
day
today.
So
that
is
three
of
our
five
attorneys.
We
had
a
new
attorney
that
started
today.
F
It's
his
first
day
he's
fantastic,
but
I
did
not
want
to
ask
him
to
cover
a
City
Council
meeting
and
a
Rules
Committee
meeting
on
his
first
day,
without
any
other
attorneys
there
to
help
him
along.
So
you
will
meet
him
next
Monday
night
when
he
will
be
introduced
to
the
full
council.
So
this
is
an
issue
that
is
a
little
bit
sticky
and
I
would
prefer
that
when
we
discuss
it,
we
had
legal
counsel
present
but
I'm
happy
that
we're
having
the
discussion-
and
you
can
tell
you
the
discussion
to
the
next
meeting.
F
If
there's
questions
that
are
unanswered,
but
one
of
the
issues
is,
you
know
that
list,
it's
been
sort
of
created
over
time,
I
think
we've
had
these
neat
newsletters
in
place
for
Alderman
for
at
least
seven
years.
So
when
the
current
council
that's
in
place
was,
was
put
in
place,
they
inherited
the
list
of
the
person
who
preceded
them
if
they
didn't
get,
they
weren't
reelected
from
person
from
before.
So
I
want
to
be
in
front
of
this
issue
before
the
next
election.
F
If
somebody
runs
and
doesn't
win,
would
they
get
to
keep
that
list
or
would
they
have
rights
to
that
list?
Would
we
give
it
to
that
person,
or
would
we
say?
No,
we
just
keep
that
internally
for
the
next
person,
I
foresee
that
potentially
becoming
an
issue
at
some
point,
so
I'd
like
some
clarity
on
if
the
list
always
stays
with
the
city,
and
it
doesn't
go
order.
If
you
would
like
the
list
when
you
leave,
you
still
get
it
something
some
some
direction
on
that
would
be
welcome.
All
I
saw.
H
This
isn't
the
same
as
economic
development
newsletter
or
summercamp
update.
So
this
is
these.
Are
the
opinions
of
an
elected
official
I,
think
that
would
be
appropriate?
You
know
when
people
sign
up
for
the
newsletter
they're
on
a
page
with
all
sorts
of
boxes
they
can
check
if
they
just
want
to
learn
when
things
are
happening,
or
you
know
kind
of
the
general
press
release
stuff
that
we
pace
to
have
to
do.
H
There's
plenty
of
sources
for
that,
but
I
think
that
the
people
that
do
sign
up
for
this
want
to
know
what
our
opinions
are.
We
are
by
them
to
vote
on
their
behalf.
So
that's
that's
where
the
objection,
the
strongest
objection
that
I
have
is
any
sort
of
curtailing
of
discourse
between
elected
officials
and
constituents.
A
G
I
was
I
wanted
to
speak
to
the
issue
of
the
list,
the
names
of
the
list
in
the
past
that
that
has
been
deemed
a
city
property
because
it
was
compiled
on
the
city's
computer
system,
and
so
it
was
not
available
to
if,
for
instance,
to
an
alderman
who
was
running
for
re-election.
That
was
not
from
that
was
not
given
to
an
alderman
running
for
re-election.
G
G
A
I
am
seeing
a
more
light,
so
I
stick
by
the
same
concerns
that
I
had
before
I
I.
Don't
care
about
the
list
of
names.
I
have
my
own
list
names
from
when
I
campaign.
If
you
run
a
campaign,
you
should
keep
your
own
list
of
names
in
case
your
campaign
again,
I
would
not
think
the
city
shop
to
provide
you
with
a
list
of
potential
voters
or
whatever
else
that
did
happen
to
me
during
my
campaign,
but
I
think
that
you
know
you
keep
your
own
lists.
A
The
issue
for
me
is
again
the
newsletter
and
getting
some
clarity
from
legal
in
terms
of
what
can
and
cannot
be
put
and
then
it's
fairly
applied
across
the
board.
I
mean
considering
I
married
to
a
lawyer.
I
understand
liability,
I
mean
I
likely
could
have
sued
the
mayor
for
saying
that
I'm.
You
know
he
potentially
thought
that
I
was
one
of
the
people
who
broke
the
rule
and
giving
the
personnel
packet
from
clerk
read
right.
That
could
be
seen
as.
A
If
I
wanted
to
you
know
slice,
Tomatoes
I
could
say
that's
a
case
for
liability
for
slander
or
whatever
else
the
legal
term
could
be
so
I'm
just
saying.
If
we're
getting
into
what
could
be
a
liability
and
that's
on
City
letterhead,
someone
could
say:
there's
a
liability
so
I'm
just
putting
out
there,
for
example,
not
to
pick
on
the
mayor,
I
did
not
say
his
newsletter
was
wrong
or
he
had
the
right
to
write
what
he
wanted
in
his
newsletter.
A
But
I
would
like
legal
when
we
have
legal
to
come
back
to
the
Rules
Committee.
So
maybe
we
just
hold
this
item
to
give
much
more
legal
clarity
and
put
some
parameters
around.
What
can
and
cannot
I
would
agree
with
Ottoman
suffering
in
terms
of
selling
tickets
and
things,
or
what
have
you
that
we
need
to
also
be
kept
mindful
about
that,
the
number
of
nonprofits
we
have
in
town
I,
don't
know
where
you
kind
of
make
the
line
in
terms
of
what
we're
selling
or
what
we're
not
selling
on
city
yeah.
F
I
think
general
direction
from
the
committee
to
admit.
I,
don't
think
this
needs
to
be
held
because
I
think
we
can
just
talk
with
the
legal
department
about
the
discussion
that's
been
had
and
then
I've
come
back
with.
You
know
a
set
of
recommendations
that
the
council
can
then
either
adapt
or
amend.
A
H
H
A
Right
so
moving
on
to
item
r8
discussion
regarding
playing
music
at
the
beginning
of
a
public
meeting
staff
recommend
that
any
music
be
played
should
be
vetted
by
the
city's
law
department
for
compliance
with
copyright
laws.
E
E
H
H
There's
a
larger
issue
of
our
meeting
start
late
anyway,
and
should
we
have
you
know
here's
a
song
I
like
be
the
way
that
we
started
I
know
you
like
to
start
the
meetings
with
a
speech
or
whatever,
but
I
think
you
know
it
wouldn't
be
appropriate
for
me
to
play
a
clip
from
a
movie
had
to
call
the
wards.
I,
don't
know
that
opening
the
me
song,
although
that
I
mean
this,
is
a
Veterans
Day
thing.
H
You
know
what
you
know,
but
I
think
we
should
just
probably
a
firm
policy
I'm,
not
playing
any
music.
You
know
we
have
it's
concerned
about
staff
time.
Do
we
need
the
law
department
going
through
copyright,
compliance
for
purposes
of
playing
songs?
I
know
we
had
the
same
issue
where
we
we
had
an
alderman
who
was
playing
music
before
the
meetings,
and
that
creates
an
issue
when
we
broadcast
it.
So
perhaps
we
should
just
avoid
copy
written
works
entirely.
H
A
Right,
second,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
like
any
objections,
all
right
that
carries
moving
on
to
a
nine,
which
is
the
discussion
of
amendments
to
the
City
Council
rule
from
6.4
to
address
requests
for
presentations
at
Planning
and
Development
Committee.
The
staff
recommends
for
consideration
the
draft
amendment
to
City
Council
rule
6.4
with
resolution
11
R
22
as
addressed
presentations
at
Planning
and
Development
Committee
on
rules
issue
came
a
second
week
insert
second
alright
ottoman
when
well.
G
I
do
think
this
is
a
very
good
idea.
I
think
the
more
information
we
can
give
to
the
public
or
developers
or
anyone
who's
coming
before
a
board
and
Commission
about
how
the
procedure,
but
the
proper
procedure
is
the
better
off.
We
are
many
times.
We've
all
had
folks
call
us
and
say
well
how
much
time
will
I
get?
You
know
how
will
I
find
out
and
so
I
think
having
it
in
the
rules
is
an
excellent
idea.
G
The
one
point
I
would
make
is
that
I
think
that
the
opposition,
or
looking
at
this
right
now
the
objectors
should
have
equal
time
to
the
presenters,
because
I
think
that
one
of
the
concerns
that
we've
had
from
a
community
is
that,
for
instance,
with
developments
that
developers
who
are
very
well
funded
obviously
have
a
very
polished
presentation
and
the
community
might
have
legitimate
concerns
that
match
theirs,
that
take
up
ten
minutes,
so
I
would
say
not
more
than
ten
minutes
for
both
sides,
and
you
know
it
at
least
with
zoning
issues.
Probably
planning
issues.
G
I
mean
these.
The
people
who
live
within
a
certain
distance
have
legal
standing,
they're
legal
objectors.
So
I
don't
think
they
should
get
shorter
shrift
than
then.
The
proponents
of
an
issue
so
I
would
I
do
agree
with
having
some
clear
rules
and
time
limits
so
that
it's
not
subject
to
whoever
the
chair
is
so
that
people
can
plan
and
make
and
understand
that
well
in
advance.
G
But
I
would
amend
this
to
say
that
the
final
sentence
in
that
paragraph
is
that
if
there
are
objectors
to
the
application
for
zoning,
they
made
collectively
address
the
committee
with
a
ten-minute
up,
not
not
more
than
a
ten
minute
presentation
but
leave
in
all
of
the
other
things
about
advance
notice
to
the
city
manager's
office.
All.
A
Right
one
thing
I
want
to
do
because
people
may
not
have
read
the
packet.
I
was
gonna
read
what
the
textual
language
is
in
the
resolution.
It
says
for
zoning
matters
before
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee.
The
petitioner
may
provide
a
brief
presentation
or
more
than
ten
minutes
to
the
committee
of
its
projects
and
application
with
advance
notice
of
the
city
manager's
office
by
12:00
noon,
the
day
of
the
meeting.
A
If
there
are
objectors
to
the
application
for
zoning,
they
may
collectively
address
the
committee
with
a
five-minute
presentation,
also
with
advance
notice
to
the
city
manager's
office,
but
12:00
noon.
The
day
of
the
meeting,
any
presentation
may
constitute
a
hearing
or
an
opportunity
for
testimony
or
cross-examination
of
witnesses
and
other
evidence.
So
that's
the
change
with
this
resolution
and
Alderman
when
just
suggested
that
the
committee
that
the
objectors
also
have
up
to
ten
minutes
odd,
remember
Vale.
D
Well,
I
second
alderman
wins
amendment
proposed
amendment
and
I.
Guess:
I
have
a
second
amendment
to
make
to
this:
can
we
squeeze
them
together?
Sure,
because
I
would
I
think
saying,
zoning
matters
could
be
a
bit
limiting
because
there
could
be
something
that
comes
to
us.
That's
not
technically
a
zoning
issue
and
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
the
quote
objectors
would
have
time
for
a
10-minute
presentation.
So
I
would
broaden
that
to
say
zoning
and
land
use
matters
so.
F
G
It
would
read
the
amended
text
would
read
for
matters
before
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee.
The
petitioner
shall
provide
may
provide,
sees
me
a
brief
present
presentation,
no
more
than
ten
minutes
to
the
committee
of
his
project,
an
application
with
advance
notice
to
the
city
manager's
office
by
12
p.m.
the
day
of
the
meeting.
If
there
are
objectors
to
the
application
for
zoning
that
they
may
collectively,
we
should
maybe
change
their
objectives.
G
May
collectively
address
the
committee
with
a
ten-minute,
no
more
than
10
minute
presentation,
also
with
advance
notice
to
the
city
manager's
office
by
12:00
p.m.
the
day
of
the
meeting.
Any
presentation
cannot
constitute
a
hearing
or
an
opportunity
for
testimony
or
cross-examination
of
witnesses,
and/or
and
other
evidence.
All.
A
A
That's
just
for
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee,
then
what
happens
at
the
City
Council
meeting
I
think
there's
no
presentation.
This
is
just
for
planning
and
development.
The
way
the
I'm
in
excuse
me
the
way
the
rule
is
written,
so
they
do
not
get
to
make
a
presentation
at
Council.
Is
that
correct
everyone's.
A
G
F
B
A
E
A
F
Yeah,
we
can
add
it
to
that
section,
but
I'm.
Also
cognizant
of
there
are
times
when
it
is
not
noticed
on
the
agenda
and
we
still
suspend
the
rules,
and
that
is
a
practice
that
I
can
surmise.
Most
people
want
to
continue
with
so
I
just
have
to
check
with
legal
and,
if
that's
codified
or
not,
and
how
that
would
continue
to
proceed.
F
I
think
the
point
of
putting
this
on
the
agenda
was
that
we
want
to
have
a
precedent
set
or
a
practice
that
everybody
follows,
and
it
seems
that,
whether
it's
committee
or
whether
it's
Council
not
everybody's,
on
the
same
page
with
how
the
process
works.
So
once
we
identify
what
the
process
is
that
the
council
wants
to
do,
then
we're
gonna
make
a
little
cheat
sheet
for
lack
of
a
better
word
and
then
have
everybody
be
able
to
follow
it.
F
D
F
D
G
G
Introducing
and
voting
on
an
item
at
the
same
meeting
it
is
permitted
you
can't
you
can't
suspend
that
rule,
that's
what
this
is
saying
and
that
rule
says
that
you
can
vote
introduced
and
vote
at
the
same
meeting
as
long
as
that.
There
is
prior
notice,
so
I
mean
I,
agree
with
alderman
revelled
that
it's
clearer
when
you
put
this
under
twenty
point
one,
but.
A
B
A
Opposed
all
right
so
that
will
carry
as
amended.
Our
11:00
is
discussion
regarding
placing
citizen
resolution
on
city
council
agenda
and
this
one
reads
for
a
referral.
Alderman
piss
staff
seek
direction
to
address
the
issue
of
whether
or
not
to
have
those
to
place.
A
citizen
resolution
on
the
City
Council
agenda
that
the
City
Council
does
not
have
jurisdiction
over.
F
A
Right
so
that
would
be
help.
Thank
you.
A
12
is
discussion
regarding
city
of
Evanston
events
and
programs,
bearing
the
name
of
elected
officials
that
one
reads
for
a
referral:
alderman
suffered
and
staff
seek
direction
from
the
Rules
Committee
to
address
the
issue
of
weather
events,
and
programs
in
the
city
of
Evanston
should
bear
the
name
of
elected
officials
new
a
second
second.
H
H
Not
sure
any
I
have
an
issue
with
it
generally
and
philosophically,
but
the
the
largest
issue
I
have
is
particularly
around
the
holiday
program,
because
the
next
high
season,
those
who
choose
to
run
for
office
again,
will
be
candidates.
In
addition
to
holding
our
elected
positions
and
I
have
an
issue
with
public
money
being
used
to
promote
one
particular
person
and
I
think
that
we
should
eliminate
it
across
the
board.
But
particularly,
we
should
make
sure
that
we
have
a
dark
period
once
petitions
are
being
circulated
which
would
be
in
November.
A
All
right
so
there's
no
light
so
Mike
I
definitely
think
I
hadn't
thought
about
the
period
when
we're
actually
candidates
and
holding
office
I
could
see
how
that's
not
you
know.
We
don't
necessarily
need
names
on
it.
My
my
thought
about
this
more
so
was
I
was
at
the
mayor's
toy
drive
this
year
and
we
had
which
I
know
the
mayor
does
not
order,
but
we
had
a
plethora
of
t-shirts
that
they
mayor
a
gerdes.
A
You
know
toy
and
whatever
drive
so
I
went
and
got
one
cuz
I
was
there
to
volunteer,
which
is
fine,
but
as
I
kind
of
look
back
I
don't
know
who's
ordering
and
moving
ordered
too
many
cuz
I
mean
it's
not
a
huge
expense
in
terms
of
funds,
but
it
is
we're
not
using
them
next
year.
I
think
they
have
the
date
on
them.
If
mayor.
D
A
Chooses
not
to
run
again
we're
not
using
them
two
years
later,
so
those
kind
of
things
I
would
imagine
start
to
add
up
just
those
we're
printing
things.
You
know
I,
don't
know
I
tried
to
think
through
if
we
have
other
things
that
are
called
somebody's
such
and
such
I.
Don't
think.
I
have
alderman
Fleming's
that
I
do
have
a
toy
drive
in
my
war
for
Christmas
party,
but
I'm
the
only
person
in
the
ward,
and
so
that's
what
it
is,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
other
things
that
have
other
people's
names
on
them.
A
You
know
I,
don't
feel
super
strongly
about,
except
for
the
campaign
time
which
Ottomans
suffered
I
mentioned
and
just
in
terms
of
you
know
the
t-shirts
and
other
garb
that
we're
ordering
that,
particularly
if
it
has
a
year
old
it.
So
we
can't
use
it
for
the
four
year
term,
this
one
with
an
office
but
I.
Imagine
this
policy
kind
of
started
before
our
term
and
no
one
else
really
cared
so
much
about
it.
Ottoman
suffered.
H
Another
one
that
I
brought
up
at
the
time
is
within
the
good
neighbor
fund.
There
was
verities
discretionary
projects
fund,
that's
another
one,
where
I
think
it's
inappropriate
to
tie
it
to
a
particular
acted
official
one's
public
money
and
I.
Think
that
should
be
the
across-the-board
rule,
the
city
but
I
leave
it
to
all
of
you.
If
you
agree
or
not,.
E
You
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
feel
strong,
I,
don't
you
know
I,
think
I
think
in
attaching
the
mayor's
name.
Whoever
the
mayor
is
I
think
is
helpful
for
those
programs
like
the
mayor
is
a
person
in
this
community
and
so
I
think
that's
valuable
for
those
programs,
but
I'd
open
it
up
for
other
conversations
that
people
on
the
council
have
I.
You
know
that's
sort
of
the
history
of
it.
A
G
I
I
do
I
mean
I.
Looked
this
up
the
original,
and-
and
this
is
my
understanding
also-
is
that
the
it
was
mayor
Morton's
idea
for
to
have
the
Summer
Youth
Employment
Program,
and
it-
and
she
was
very
much
a
proponent
of
that
and
fought
to
make
sure
it
was
properly
funded
when
it
came
under
attack
several
times
during
budget
programs
of
budget
processes
so
and
I
do
think
that
it
continued
under
Mayor,
tis,
doll
and
and
I.
G
We
don't
have
a
policy,
we
don't
have
a
program
here
in
Evanston
and
I.
Think
I
once
eliminated
my
name
from
a
park
renewal
site
that
was
being
brought
to
you
by
and
I
had
the
staff
paint
out,
my
name
because
it
was
really
the
whole
council
that
was
doing
that
so
but
I.
You
know
I
think
that
it's
helpful
to
put
someone's
name
behind
some
of
these
things
so
that
people
have
actually
there's
a
person.
G
They
can
call
up
and
say
you
know,
I,
don't
agree
with
this
or
I
do
agree
with
this,
and
also
because
traditionally,
we've
seen
mayor,
Morton,
Meritus
doll
and
mayor
Haggerty
actually
put
time
and
effort
into
this
in
terms
of
getting
applying
some
pressure
to
some
of
our
employers
to
get
to
provide
jobs
and
then
also
exhorting
people
in
the
community
to
give
to
the
holiday
food
and
toy
drive.
So.
D
I
think
alderman
suffered
and
raises
an
interesting
point,
though,
about
the
the
timing
of
the
Christmas
of
the
holiday
Drive
when
we're
all
potentially
running
for
office,
so
I
I
would
entertain
the
idea
of
making
eliminating
the
mayor's
actual
name
at
that
one
at
that
one
time
of
the
year
and
I
guess
it
I'm
surprised
to
hear
about
all
these
t-shirts
with
the
mayor's
name
on
them
too.
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
like
mayor
mayor.
D
E
E
So
I
know
it's
not,
but
I
just
want
to
make
that
point
very
clear.
Okay
in
this
column,
in
this
conversation,
I'm
not
in
charge
of
t-shirts,
I,
don't
say:
hey
where's,
the
t-shirt
we
got
to
have
my
name
on
the
t-shirt.
Oh,
we
haven't
figured
out
how
we're
gonna
allocate
the
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
that
we
have
remaining
and
the
good
neighbor
fund.
Let's
call
it
the
mayor's.
You
know
haggerty's
discretionary
fund,
that's
not
what
it
was
called.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
very
clear.
E
A
My
point
is
you
being
the
mayor
who
created
this
program,
didn't
name
it
after
yourself,
which,
which
shows
you
didn't
name
the
other
stuff
I'm
assuming
you're,
not
gonna,
name,
someone
else's
program
at
for
you,
but
not
the
program.
You
started
after
yourself
that
wouldn't
make
any
sense.
If
that
was
important
to
you
right,
so
you
didn't
name
the
mayor.
So
so
my
point
being,
do
we
just
name
everything?
A
The
mayor
is
something
so
when
the
next
mayor
comes,
if
they
take
it
on
it's
still
the
mayor
or
something
and
it's
not
mayor
Fleming's,
our
mayor,
whoever's,
the
t-shirts
thing
I
understand
you
didn't
order
him
and
I
only
made
there
I
only
recognized,
because
I
went
in
there
to
get
a
t-shirt.
There
was
a
whole
box
of
them
and
they
were
gonna
be
left
over
and
if
they
didn't
have
the
year
on
them,
then
who
cares?
A
Who
use
them
next
year
because
you're
the
mayor
next
year
it
just
dawned
on
me
as
I,
was
getting
my
t-shirt
that
we
ordered
too
many
again
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
would
have
other
things
so
I'm
happy
to
just.
Have
you
be
the
mayor's
everything
and
then
we
can
reuse
stuff
as
we
see
fit,
and
we
don't
have
a
loss
of
anything
and
people's
name
can
be
on
it
and
you
know
it's
it's
just
kind
of
everybody.
You
are
the
mayor,
but
it's
you
know
everyone
as
the
council
is
participating.
A
E
One
more
point:
we
have
real
problems
in
this
community,
we're
going
to
talk
about
one
of
them
tonight
when
it
comes
to
affordable
housing.
Ok,
this
problem,
the
problem
where
one
time
we
played
some
music
is,
you
know,
honestly,
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem,
and
we've
spent
time
up
here.
Ok
tonight,
among
the
selected
body
talking
about
things
that
again
is
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem.
In
my
opinion,.
A
A
E
I
was
just
gonna
suggest
and
I
liked
aldermen
suffered
in
suggestion
that,
because
this
is
a
pilot
program
around
the
northwestern
athletic
facilities,
we
talked
about
this
during
that
whole
vote.
My
suggestion
was
that
this
working
group,
this
ad
hoc
committee,
sort
of
be
just
that
that
we
not
make
it
this
formal
process
that
come
up
here
and
we
select
people
for
it
that
we
let
alderman
reveal.
E
A
F
A
So
814
is
discussion
regarding
maximum
number
of
referrals
from
Ottoman
per
year.
I
would
just
say,
I
disagree
and
having
a
maximum
I
mean
it's
the
only
time
that
we
get
a
chance
to
give
direction.
I
have
staff,
do
some
research
and
either
get
it
on
an
agenda
or
you
know,
have
the
research
for
another
conversation
so
I
think
limiting,
and
that
makes
our
job
more
challenging.
A
E
Would
just
say:
I
am
sensitive
to
our
city
staff,
who
have
to
run
the
day-to-day
operations
of
the
city
of
Evanston
and
I
certainly
want
to
see
our
elected
officials
be
able
to
refer
things
to
our
city
manager
and
to
her
staff,
but
I
don't
want
to
see
that
be
abused.
I
don't
want
to
see
our
city
staff
running
around
doing
all
these,
you
know
requests
that
the
City
Council
members
are
making
because
they
can
make
unlimited
requests.
So
I
think
this
is
worthy
of
some
more
analysis
and
discussion.
I
mean
I'd
be
interested.
E
A
Mike
we'll
go
back
to
that
and
just
say
you
know
this.
This
to
me
becomes
more
like
the
discussion,
where
the
point
that
mr.
Osinski
brought
up
about
the
limitations.
So
if
we
only
have
time
to
meet
as
a
council
this
you
know
now
and
then
we
speak
at
public
comment
about
something
that's
not
on
topic,
and
then
we
have
a
limited
number
of
referrals
to
make.
If
something
comes
up
at
my
ward
meeting,
that
people
think
are
important.
That
I
want
to
make
a
referral
about.
A
Well,
if
I've
used
my
5
or
6
or
whatever
the
number
is,
how
do
I
get
information
from
my
constituents,
so
I
would
much
more
be
in
favor
of
and
I
think
ottoman
I
mean.
Excuse
me
interim
city
manager,
story,
I
started
this
where
there's
a
referral
list
on
the
city,
manager's
report
and
if
you
know,
city
manager
story
wants
to
say:
hey
Alderman
Fleming,
you
put
this
referral
and
we
really
don't
have
time
to
get
to
it.
How
important
is
it?
Can
we
just
get
you
a
memo?
A
Would
you
just
sit
with
staff,
and
maybe
it's
not
an
entire
thing?
That
comes
back
to
the
council
and
agenda
I.
Think
that
that's
fair
but
I
think
to
say
that
we
can't
access.
You
know
we
don't
have
staff,
we
don't
have
an
office.
This
is
the
staff
we
have
so
to
say
we
can't
access
and
get
information
from
the
staff
that
we
have,
except
for
a
living
amount
of
time.
That
I
think
causes
real
problems
for
me
and
my
constituents
autumn.
A
rainy.
C
F
This
came
up
because,
if
you
want
numbers
the
last
60
days,
I've
received
29
referrals.
So
that's
a
lot
of
referrals
for
two
months
and
to
distribute
that
to
the
staff
and
have
them
spend
staff
time
on
that,
in
addition
to
the
regular
priorities
of
the
council
and
day
to
day
things
that
we're
working
on
on
behalf
of
the
council,
it
just
presents
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
in
terms
of
prioritizing
so
I.
F
Don't
there's
no
intent
to
you,
know,
eliminate
or
or
to
have
it
be
difficult
for
the
council
members
to
get
information
from
staff
like
we
are
working
for
you
every
day
and
want
to
provide
you
with
every
bit
of
information
that
we
can
provide
you
with,
but
it
just
if
there
was.
You
know
some
guidelines.
Maybe
you
know
one
a
month
two
per
month,
12
per
year,
24
per
year,
something
like
that,
so
that
we
could
focus
and
that
would
help
in
the
prioritization
as
well.
So.
C
What
do
you
mean?
What
do
you
suggest
we
do
when
we
are
doing
our
work?
We
have
no
assign
I,
think
I
mean
I.
Get
in
from
I
get
requests
all
the
time.
Could
we
please
meet
at
your
office?
Who
is
your
person
that
I
can
call
I,
don't
I'm
your
person
and
my
office
is
the
third
bedroom
in
my
house.
You
know
right
next
year.
B
C
C
We'll
just
continue
to
move
forward
as
this
I
wish.
We
were
sitting
in
the
old
romantic
library
around
the
table
so
that
we
could
have
a
conversation
about
this
sure
we
are
being
crunched
for
time
right
now.
I
agree,
let's
hold
this,
so
we
can
have
a
conversation
about
this
because
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
hear
some
of
the
items
that
people
are
trying
to
get
on
the
agenda.