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A
B
A
B
A
C
Hi
councilmember
suffered
in
we
have
two
people
signed
up
for
public
comment:
jamie
collier
and
mary
rosita
mary
is
here.
I
do
not
see
james
yet.
A
Okay,
well,
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
marry
and
welcome.
F
E
Nice,
seeing
you
guys
all
I'm
calling
on
one
of
the
rules
committee,
things
about
the
city
manager
and
who
can
put
stuff
for
special
business
special
items
on
the
committee,
and
I
just
want
to
say
I
think,
as
elected
officials,
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
should
be
the
only
ones
putting
things
on
our
agendas
and
that
if
there
is
an
issue,
that's
very
important
that
need
that
should
be
a
special
order
of
business.
E
That
good
policy
would
have
it
coming
through
either
one
of
the
elected
officials
as
older
people
or
council
members
rather
and
or
the
mayor.
So
that's
all
I
want
to
say
as
you're
discussing
it.
I
appreciate
that
because
I
think
the
city
manager
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
I
see
coming
through
on
agendas
that
are
staff
recommendations
and
some
of
the
times.
I
have
found
that
even
my
own
alder
person
over
the
years
hasn't
been
aware
that
this
is
even
an
item
in
discussion
coming
up.
E
A
C
Sean,
I
believe
we
have
jamie
callier.
A
Yeah
excellent
welcome
jamie.
You
have
three
minutes:
okay,.
G
Mayor
and
and
council
members,
I
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
talk
to
you
and
suggest
another
alternative
for
item
r8.
The
discussion
of
the
budget
committee.
G
I'm
a
big
pro
proponent
of
the
council
having
the
opportunity
to
do
a
more
in-depth
review
of
the
city's
financial
affairs
and
budget,
and
I
recommend
that
the
rules
committee
consider
establishing
a
new
standing
committee
through
which
all
council
members
would
rotate
and
stay
staggered
two-year
terms
along
with
three
qualified
citizens
who
have
financial
expertise.
G
After.
Of
course,
public
input
set
forth
some
overall
goals
for
the
budget
so
that
we
don't
get
to
the
end
of
the
season
and
and
have
to
change
the
budget
and
drastically
in
order
to
reach
the
objectives
of
the
council.
G
B
You
I
sent
you
all.
G
A
written
proposal
with
some
suggested
changes
to
the
council's
rules
and
meeting
guidelines,
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
you
discuss
what
could
be
a
a
very
effective
committee
for
both
the
city
and
the
council.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
jamie.
I
appreciate
it
and
then,
assuming
that
there
is
no
other
citizen
for
public
comment,
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
into
our
items
for
consideration.
Our
first
item
is
item
r1.
The
rules
committee,
chair
rotation
schedule
for
2021-2025
staff
recommends
members
of
the
rules
committee
select
one
of
two
proposed
rules
committee
chair
schedules
and
provide
direction
for
the
methodology
that
will
be
used
to
create
the
standing
committee
chair
schedules.
H
Thank
you.
I
would
I
I
mean
in
favor
of
either
one
of
them.
I
would
say
that
the
benefit
to
having
using
seniority
is
that
it
allows
new
members
of
the
council
to
get
used
to
serving
on
a
committee
before
they
become
chair.
H
As
everyone
who's
become
a
chair
knows
it's
a
complicated
job
looks
a
lot
harder.
It
looks
a
lot
easier
than
it
is
actually
to
do
so.
I
do.
I
would
slightly
lean
towards
the
seniority
and
it's
not
because
I'm
first
on
the
list,
but
just
because
meetings
move
smoothly
when
you
have
an
experienced
person,
cheering
them.
That's
all.
A
J
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
actually
have
a
a
different
opinion.
I
I
I
do
think
there
certainly
is,
as
aldermen
one
said,
a
a
benefit
to
naming
chairs
by
seniority,
but
really,
I
think
the
measure
should
be
by
expertise
in
a
a
certain
realm.
J
We
shouldn't
you
know
just
arbitrarily
choose
chairs
by
seniority
and
cycle
the
chair
positions
every
couple
of
months.
I
think
you
know
henry
ford
might
have
been
able
to
tell
us
in
the
1900s
about
115
years
ago
that
specialization
is
a
good
thing.
It
produces
efficiencies.
J
K
A
Okay,
so
it
has
been
moved
by
council
member
reid
seconded
by
council
member
kelly.
So
that's
what's
on
the
floor,
do
we
discuss
it
or
do
we
take
a
vote
on
that
motion.
J
Yes,
to
amend
r1
that
chairmanship
be
selected
on
an
annual
basis.
L
So
the
there
is
debate
on
the
amendment
a
council
member
suffered,
if
you
like.
Otherwise
you
need
to.
A
Okay,
so
everyone
who's
got
their
lights.
On,
wants
to
debate
the
amendment
correct.
J
I'll
I'll
I'll
kick
off
on
the
motion.
As
the
maker
of
the
motion
and
I'll
say,
you
know
at
at
the
federal
level,
parties
exist-
and
you
know
chairmanships
for
congressional
seats,
for
example,
are
chosen
by
the
the
the
members
expertise
and
their
their
commitment
to
the
issue.
So,
for
example,
bernie
sanders
is
now
the
chair
of
the
budget
committee
and
and
senate
and.
F
J
Have
folks
who
are
experts
in
military
who
serve
as
the
chairman
of
the
you
know,
armed
services,
committees
and
very
various
other
committees
based
on
your
expertise,
and
you
know
so
one
at
the
local
level.
We
we
don't
have
you
know
parties,
we
have
nonpartisan
coalitions
and
we,
I
think
what
matters
is
not
sticking
to
an
arbitrary
measure
of
of
seniority.
I
think
elections
have
to
have
consequences
and
if
we
merely
choose
the
chairman
by
seniority
that
negates
the
consequences
of
elections
and
it's
undemocratic.
J
In
my
opinion,
as
I
said,
you
know,
folks,
specializing
in
areas
and
serving
as
chair
for
a
year
is
a
strong
policy,
because
we
allow
our
members
to
become
experts
in
areas.
They
should
be
assuming
the
chairmanship
because
they
are
experts
and
they
should
hold
on
to
that
for
a
longer
period,
so
their
expertise
can
be
properly
utilized
and
and
by
having
a
system
where
chairs
can
serve
for
a
longer
period
of
time.
J
It
makes
sure
that
you
know
we're
creating
good
democratic
checks
by
shifting
some
of
the
institutional
knowledge
and
power
back
to
the
council.
You
know,
as
I
said,
the
proposed
rotation
schedule
as
presented
is
arbitrary.
It
aids
in
the
maintenance
of
the
status
quo,
and
I
I
would
move
that
this
council
accept
this
alternative
schedule.
A
M
Yeah,
so
I
could
not.
I
would
not
support
that
proposal,
because
I
appreciate
that
we,
you
know,
have
some
people
who
are
expertise,
but
given
that
this
position
is
set
up
the
way
it
is
in
which
many
people
have
to
hold
another
job
and
they
might
not
be
an
expert
they
might
be
here
because
they
really
have
a
passion
for
serving
their
community.
M
I
don't
know
that
even
for
myself,
I
would
fall
into
the
guise
of
expert
and
then,
if
two
of
us
claim
that
we're
expert,
then
how
do
we
get
voted
on?
And
while
I
don't
like
the
schedule
in
terms
of
just,
I
think
it's
two
or
three
meetings
or
whatever
you
get
to
do
because
of
the
frequency.
You
know
my
concerns.
We
do
a
year
at
a
time.
M
I
B
D
Efficiency
like
to
add
that
my
microphone
is
on
and
I
cannot
support
councilmember
reed's
proposed
amendment
this
evening.
I
would
like
to
I
just
moved
into
this
house
I'd
like
to
live
here
a
few
months
before
I
figure
out
how
to
redecorate
the
kitchen.
D
N
Beth
I
just
wanted
to
request
a
clarification
of
the
motion
is
who
under
council
member
reed's
motion
would
be?
How
would
these
year-long
chair
positions
be
selected.
J
Yes,
okay,
so
the
the
positions
would
be
chosen
by
the
the
rules
committee
at
large,
and
so
someone
would,
you
know,
we'd
work
together
with
our
colleagues
and
nominate
someone
who
will
fill
the
position.
J
Thank
you,
and
this
is
only
for
the
standing.
This
is
for
the
standing
committee,
so
this
is
for
rules
pnd,
ap
and
w
and
in
human
services.
This
is
for
the
standing
committees
of
the
council.
J
And
committee
committees,
where
the
chair,
we
could
have
a
different
schedule
for
committees
where
they're,
not
standing
committees.
There
are
a
few
committees
that
the
rules
committee
does
choose
the
chair
and
we
can
use
a
seniority
schedule
for
those.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
councilman
reid
corporate
council
comings.
I
see
your
light
is
on
sir.
L
A
Right,
councilmember
reed:
do
you
want
to
clarify
your
proposal?
Amendment.
J
A
J
No,
we
wouldn't
vote
to
have
four
lined
up
every
year.
We'd
come
back
and
revisit
it
at
an
annual
on
an
annual
basis
and
should
choose
the
rules.
Committee,
chair,
okay,
here's
my
proposal.
A
Nick
is
that
good
enough
for
you
to
no
all
right?
Is
there
any
further
discussion
of
the
amendment?
A
A
And
that's
just
rules
and
if
I
could
also
just
say
so,
three
months
usually
ends
up
being
one
or
two
meetings
like
depending
on
where
the
schedule
goes.
So
it
is
not
a
long,
although
it's
longer
than
I
thought
it
was
gonna
be,
but
it's
not
a
long
chairmanship
the
way
we
do
rules.
I
think
I.
B
A
Or
why
don't
we
just
vote
and
then
we
can
go
from
there
so
that
could
you
please
call
the
roll.
J
Sure,
if
I
can
no
want
one
one
more
thing
based
on
what
was
just
said,
you're
correct:
it's
not
a
long
time,
and
I
would
say
it's
it's
almost
insufficient,
because
one
or
two
meetings
is
not
enough
time
to
move
anything
through
a
committee,
and
we
should
have
chairman
who
have
the
opportunity
to
really
you
know
dive
into
a
committee
longer
than
a
a
a
a
two
meeting
period
or
a
three
meeting
period,
which
also
you
know
the.
J
I
think
that's
really
really
important
so
I'll
rest
there
all
right.
Thank.
A
You,
sir
dar.
O
Okay,
because
there's
only
well,
can
I
just
say:
there's
only
24,
there's
only
24
meetings
for
rules,
okay
during
the
whole
four
years,
because
we
meet
every
other
month.
So
rules
is
the
is
the
only
committee
that
will
only
have
you
only
have
two
or
three
meetings,
the
other
ampw
and
pnd,
and
human
services
would
be
different.
K
D
B
B
A
All
right,
so,
on
a
nine
to
one
vote,
the
amendment
fails
so
now.
I
believe
we
can
have
discussion
on
the
underlying
item
alderman,
one
or
council
member
one.
Thank
you.
H
I
J
Yes,
I
would
like
to
for
sir.
J
Yeah
I
would
like
to
amend
that
motion
and
to
you
know
I
I've
put
a
lot
of
I'd
like
to
admit
that
motion
to
name
myself
is
the
first
rules.
J
Committee
chair
rules
is
an
issue
that
I
put
a
lot
of
work
and
time
into,
and
I
think
arguably
I'm
one
of
the
members
who
best
understands
the
rules
and
and
the
open
meetings
act,
and
so
I
I
would
request
that
this
body,
you
know,
amend
the
schedule
and
then
I'd
be
named
rules.
Committee
chair
first
up.
A
A
second
amendment
does
not
exist,
so
if
I
may
just
and
I'm
looking
here
how
we
have
this
figured
out,
so
we
have
24
meetings.
A
Does
it
make
more
sense?
I
know
we
have
dates
here,
but
does
it
make
more
sense
to
just
say
three
meetings?
Three
meetings,
three
meetings,
two
meetings,
rather
than
have
the
terms
run
by
date,
or
are
we
pretty
confident
that
we're
gonna
stay
on
this
schedule.
A
Right
I
mean
what
I'm
saying
is,
for
example
like
if
the
seniority
scheme
were
to
pass.
Councilman
will
win,
has
june
august
and
october
for
sure,
but
if
there
was
a
reason
for
a
a
meeting
to
be
delayed
to
november
first,
for
example,
I
mean
who
would
be
the
the
chair
there
I
mean,
should
we
just?
Should
we
it's
just
a
question
like
does
it?
Is
it
more
clear
if
we
do
it
by
meetings
rather
than
by
months
by
meeting
numbers.
O
H
Mayor
chair,
I
I
think
in
the
past,
when
we've
had
that
happen,
the
prior
chair
continues
on,
or
sometimes
it's
the
incoming
chair,
if
they
have
time
takes
it
over
okay.
So
I
see
your
point
except
I
think,
by
having
it
be
blocked
in
time
everyone
gets
a
a
similar
shot.
There
might
I
mean
sometimes
we've
added
extra
rules
meetings
and
sometimes
we've
canceled
them.
So
I
think
the
easiest
thing
to
do
rather
than
keeping
track
by
by
number
is
to
stick
with
dates.
H
A
All
right,
so
my
understanding
is,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
so
we're
good
to
take
a
vote
on
moving
forward
with
the
seniority
council.
Member
fleming
sorry.
A
Or
councilmember
reid
can
I
recognize
council,
member
fleming
and
then
you're
next,
yes,.
M
All
right,
so
I
I
I'm
indifferent
into
seniority
or
ward.
I
know,
council,
remember,
wynn,
has
already
passed
seniority.
I
am
also
indifferent
to
being
a
chair.
I
do
not
get
my
kicks
by
being
chair
of
rules
committee,
so
I'm
happy
if
people
are
okay
with
this
to
to
give
council
member
reed
my
third
session
here
or
fourth
session
whenever
I
am
I'm
happy
to
take
two
meetings.
M
If
he
wants
to
take
three
meetings,
if
he's
passionate
or
we
can
stick
just
to
the
rules-
I
I
don't
have
a
pony
in
the
fight,
but
if
he's
really
passionate
about
it,
I
appreciate
his
passion
and
his
love
for
the
rules.
I'm
happy
to
give
him
one
extra
meeting
and
swapping
out
with
him.
If
everyone
thinks
that's,
okay
has
to
not
sink
the
titan.
A
A
So
your
amendment
would
be
to
change
the
seniority
lists
from
you
having
december
20,
22
february
and
april
of
2023,
and
switching
that
with
councilman
reid
for
october
and
december
of
2024.
M
A
Okay,
so
that
there
was
a
second
on
that
right,
okay,
so
we
need
to
vote
on
that
amendment.
Is
there
any
discussion,
if
not
doc
could.
I
M
Okay,
darkness.
B
A
Yes,
all
right,
so
that
an
attention
to
zero
vote
passes
now
the
entire
package,
the
as
amended
the
seniority
schedule
for
rules
committee
chair
doc.
Could
you
please
take
the
role.
A
Yes,
all
right
so
on
a
10
to
nothing
vote
that
one
passes
and
that
moves
us
along
to
item
r2,
which
is
the
2021
to
2025
mayor
pro
tem
schedule
for
the
81st
city
council
staff
recommends
members
of
the
rules
committee
approval
of
the
2021-2025
mayor
pro
time
schedule.
This
is
for
action.
A
Second,
all
right,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
any
discussion
all
right,
seeing
none.
Why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
take
the
vote.
J
My
apologies,
I
do
have
one
note.
I
do
think
it
would
make
sense
for
the
mayor
to
choose
his
own
mayor
pro
tem.
I
I
don't
know
if
this
random
council
rotation
is
the
best
idea.
J
So
if
there's
any
appetite
for
allowing
the
mayor
to
choose
his
own
mayor
pro
tem,
I'm
supportive
of
that.
N
At
the
risk
of
answering
a
question
with
the
question,
could
someone
enumerate
the
responsibilities
of
the
mayor
pratem
for
those
of
us
who
are
new
here?
It's
it's.
I
N
N
Excuse
me,
I
would
say,
I'm
comfortable
with
either
approach.
I
would
actually
defer
this
question
to
the
members
of
the
rules
committee
who,
if
you
prefer
the
notion
of
rotating
in
I'm
comfortable
with
that,
if
you
prefer
to
switch
it,
I'm
comfortable
with
that
as
well.
But
I
do
not
have
a
strong
preference
on
this
issue
and.
L
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
to
the
committee
that
if
council
member
reed's
suggestion
or
approach
is
taken
that
rule
city
council
rule
14,
7.
L
14.7.2
would
also
need
to
be
amended,
because
that's
the
rule
that
says
that
the
rules
committee
chooses
by
seniority
and
that
the
chair
of
the
rules
committee
notifies
the
mir
pro
tem.
According
to
that
schedule,.
D
M
M
But
again
I
think
this
is
something
I
can
care
less
about
seniority,
but
I
do
think
this
is
something
that
allows
everyone
a
chance
to
be
in
that
role
and
it's
just
kind
of
the
luck
of
the
dice,
whether
or
not
not,
maybe
not
luck,
but
if
you're,
if
you're
out
and
you're
called
to
serve
or
you're,
not,
I
think
I've
never
even
done
it.
In
my
last
four
years
I
was
called
once
and
then
the
mayor
showed
up,
so
I
don't
have
a
preference.
M
L
Sorry,
there's
one
more
thing:
I'd
like
to
bring
up-
and
this
actually
happened
under
the
last
council
in
the
event
that
the
mayor
has
to
make
appointments,
but
there's
a
conflict
with
the
mayor,
making
that
appointment.
It's
up
to
the
mayor
pro
tem.
That
actually
happened
with
the
last,
I
believe
board
of
ethics,
where
the
mayor
pro
tem
had
to
select
the
rotating
mayor's
pro
tem
had
to
select
the
board
members,
because
mayor
haggerty
was
the
subject
of
the
board
of
ethics
complaint.
A
A
Is
there
a
second
on
it?
I
don't
believe
there
is
so
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
vote
on
the
schedule
as
presented
in
the
packet
because
that's
been
moved
and
seconded.
So
if
you
please
take
the
role.
A
A
All
right
so
on
a
10
to
nothing
vote.
The
mayor
pro
tem
schedule
for
the
81st
city
council
has
been
approved,
which
brings
us
to
item
r3,
which
is
council
members.
Committee
selection
for
2021
2025
staff
recommends.
Members
of
the
rules
can
be
discussed.
The
selection
of
committee
assignments
and
finalized
committee
members,
with
special
attention
to
those
that
are
short
and
over
in
members
according
to
the
table
below
this
is
for
action.
Is
there
a
second?
A
Second
all
right,
moved
and
seconded?
I
don't
know
if
it
makes
sense
to
have
an
open
discussion
or
just
go
down
the
list
as
it
appears
and
and
do
that.
Does
anybody
have
a
preference
for
how
we
would
work
this
out,
because
some
are
short
and
some
are
heavy.
A
Right
so
planning
development,
we
need
one
more
person
and
it
is
going
to
have
to
be
either
alderman
or
council.
Member
fleming
council,
councilmember,
braithwaite
or
myself
do
either
of
our
council
members.
Who
aren't
me
want
that.
A
Council,
member
funding
welcome
to
the
planning
and
development
committee
all
right
so
that
one
has
seven
as
needed.
We
need
five
for
administration
public
works,
which
we
appear
to
have
right
on
the
nose.
A
A
A
So
and
I
see
a
fire
chief
follow-up
there,
so
it's
a
quarterly
meeting
where
you
learn
about
things
that
may
be
forthcoming:
communications,
yeah,
kimberly!
Richardson.
Are
you
here
to
speak
on
this
one?
I.
F
Just
want
to
be
clear:
it's
not
required
that
an
elected
official
has
to
serve
right,
and
so,
if
it's
something
that
you
all
feel
that,
having
a
community
body
to
sit
on
that
instead
of
elected,
we
can
amend
the
city
council
ordinance
to
reflect
that
and
so
that,
along
with
along
with
the
animal
welfare
board,
I
know
too,
we've
struggled
to
get
aldermen
or
council
member
now
on
that
committee
to
serve
so
you
might
want
to
rethink
you
know
if
those
committees
need
to
have
an
elected
official
sitting
on
those
committees
because
they're
just
members
they're,
not
the
committee
chair
or
commission
chair
they're,
just
a
voting
member
like
any
other
community
member
serving
on
those
boards.
F
A
Okay,
so
in
that
case
we
need
to
get
two
people
off
of
the
city
school
liaison
committee,
and
that
is
going
to
be
a
discussion
amongst
council
member
braithwaite,
councilmember
burns,
councilmember,
kelly
and
councilmember
new
simone,
and
I
I'm
happy
to
facilitate
or
if
you
guys
want,
counselor
newsmode.
D
I
would
love
to
serve
on
that
committee.
I
have
attended
at
least
one
of
those
meetings
in
the
past
with
kids
at
district
65
heading
into
eths,
and
I've
got
a
horse
in
that
race
and
I've
worked
with
both
school
districts
on
sustainability
issues
and
would
love
to
be
a
part
of
that
discussion.
Q
Q
I
too
have
a
child
in
the
district,
and
then
you
know
the
the
65
is
having
a
conversation.
They
started
an
assignment
committee
to
talk
about
school
boundaries
and
in
that
conversation,
they're
discussing
the
potential
to
put
a
school
in
the
fifth
ward.
So
I
think,
if
I
think
it's
it's
important
for
the
fifth
world
alderman
to
stay
privy
to
that
conversation-
and
I
see
this-
this
quarterly
opportunity
is-
is
the
place
to
do
that.
I
Case
made
that
brings
us.
My
old
purpose
for
staying
on
is
obviously
the
district
65
headquarters
as
well
as
202
are
both
boundary
assets
within
the
second
ward.
So
that's
my
purpose
of
staying.
A
I
M
Not
advocating,
I
have
a
suggestion
or
can
could
we.
I
love
that
that's
so
much
interest
in
that
meeting.
Could
we
do
two
people
for
two
years
and
two
for
the
other
two
years?
Do
we?
How
often
do
we
rotate
these
chairs?
I
can't
even
remember:
do
we
rotate
annually?
I
I
was
on
this
one
for
four
years,
so
it's
there.
I
M
I
A
To
three,
and
if
I
just
may
make
ask
a
question
of
the
corporation
council,
could
we
have
three?
Could
we
make
a
referral
and
change
the
code
and
do
that
or.
L
You
can
make
a
referral
change
the
code
to
do
that.
I'm
actually
looking
up
right
now
to
see
how
many
okay
people
are
required
to
be
on
that
committee.
K
Yeah,
so
with
30
years
of
experience
in
the
school
system,
myself
as
a
teacher
and
also
raising
two
children
who
went
through
the
school
system,
I've
served
on
the
school
improvement
team
for
many
many
years
when
it
existed
and
I've
been
involved
in
many
many
committees
at
the
high
school
as
well
as
clubs
and
others.
I
think
I
have
deep
insights
and
I'm
a
natural
for
this
committee.
A
All
right
could
I
point
out.
I
have
just
been
informed
this.
There
is
no
code
on
this,
so
we
can
move
to
amend
the
amount
of
members
of
this
committee
and
we
can
make
it
four.
We
can
make
it
three
as
much
as
you
want
yeah.
Is
there
anybody
beyond
the
four
that
said
they
wanted
to
be
on
it
that
want
to
be
on
it
while
we're
making
a
mountain
so
or
councilman
I'll
read
you
I'd
relate
on
yeah.
M
I'm
sorry
again
I
say
I
don't
care,
but
I
do.
I
will
say
from
being
on
the
committee
and
ultimate
breathe
away
as
well.
You
know
it's
a
big
room
and
I
guess
my
concern
would
be,
and
maybe
this
is
not
a
real
concern.
If
we
have
so
many
council
members,
I
mean
it
just
you
know
I
would
hate
for
us
if,
like
we're,
showing
up
in
a
gang
right
and
then
the
school
board,
they
bring
like
three
people
and
then
we
have
six.
So
it's.
I
I
would
they're
better
places
to
spend
your
time
to
to
talk
about
those
things,
but
I
think,
as
time
will
tell
you'll
all
see
once
you
show
up
to
two
or
three
meetings
that
are
literally
four
months
apart.
So
if
we
want
to
add
more
that's
fine,
I
can
attend
without
being
a
member
for
the
important
issues.
Once
I
see
the
agenda
council.
Q
Yeah,
I
think,
any
time
you
have
what
is
it
three
really
important
institutions
in
edmonton
in
one
space,
there's
an
opportunity
to
have
some
really
rich
discussion
there.
So
I
understand,
there's
some
tradition
built
in,
but
I'm
looking
to
get
on
and
see
if
we
can
open
up
some
conversations
and
some
other
areas
that
we
may
not
have
in
the
past.
So
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
opportunity,
anytime.
We
can
get
three
big
institutions
in
one
space.
Q
A
All
right,
so
I
believe
my
proposed
amendment
was
five,
because
that
sounded
like
the
amount
of
people
that
wanted
to
do
it.
Is
that
correct
all
right,
so
I
propose
that
we
amend
and
add
five
people
to
si
the
city
school
is
on
committee.
Is
there
a
second.
A
All
right,
second,
okay,
why
don't
we
vote
on
that
proposed
amendment.
Q
Will
we
get
an
issue
of
quorum?
That's
the
only
quorum
in
open
meetings
and
all
that
not
not
on
this
committee,
no
matter
what
we.
B
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
as
council
member
representing
the
fourth
ward,
which
includes
a
portion
of
the
downtown
business
district
as
well
as
business
districts
on
main
street
dempster
street
and
davis
street.
I
would
very
much
like
to
participate
in
this
committee.
All
right.
H
A
I
Member
braithwaite,
thank
you,
mr
chair
again,
there's
this
second
ward.
Therefore,
business
districts,
part
of
the
downtown
that
I
represent,
the
dempster
dempster
dodge
plaza
main
street
plaza,
as
well
as
a
large
footprint
on
the
industrial
area,
and
just
as
we
have
a
matter
coming
before
our
council
at
our
next
meeting,
when
we
get
to
it,
I
think
it's
important
that
I
have
a
voice
and
also
the
fact
that
there
are
two
tips
that
are
in
the
second
ward.
K
As
council
member
as
council
member
for
the
first
ward,
representing
a
large
portion
of
downtown
for
similar
reasons,
I
think
it's
very
important
that
I'm
represented
on
this
committee.
A
A
Okay,
can
we
this
may
be
an
ordinance
we'll
check
on
that
and
council
member
wayne?
Why
don't
you
jump.
A
All
right,
so
why
don't
we
hang
tight
for
a
second
or
we
can
move
on
to
our
next
one
and
circle
back?
What's
the
pleasure
of
the
body
all
right,
so
why
don't
we
circle
back
on
that
one
housing
and
homelessness,
all
right,
and
actually
you
know
what
we
should.
I
should
read
a
little
asterisk
here:
housing
and
homelessness,
commission,
the
housing
and
community
development
act
committee.
A
J
A
Okay,
so
we'll
we'll
table
housing
and
homelessness
and
that'll
bring
us
to
mwebe
development
committee.
We
only
need
two
we've.
We
find
ourselves
with
five
council
member
kelly.
K
This
doesn't
reflect
my
interest,
but
I'll
withdraw
my
name
from
this.
Well.
J
This
is
a
committee
that
I
am
extremely
interested
in
serving
on
the
howard
street
corridor
is
a
corridor
that
really
needs
an
alderman
who's,
paying
attention
to
the
mwebe,
as
well
as
the
entirety
of
our
minority
population.
So
this
is
something
that
I'm
really
interested
in
serving
on.
M
So
he
I'm
not
gonna,
do
like
a
resume
as
to
why
I
want
to
be
on
the
committee.
I
mean
people
elected
me
to
represent
from
the
ninth
ward.
This
is
something
that
they
care
about,
I'm
also
as
a
councilmember
for
like
I
need
to
expand
from
the
committees
I
was
on
last
year,
so
that
I
have
a
full
understanding
and
weighing
in
on
all
city
matters.
M
Maybe
it's
a
better
thought
process
to
really
hone
in
on
the
things
that
you
are
passionate
about,
or
your
award
or
passionate
about,
so
you
can
really
focus
and
make
some
improvements
there,
instead
of
being
on
so
many,
so
that's
the
way
which
we
can
maybe
think
about
honing
the
numbers
down.
If
we
could
only
have
two,
then
I'm
happy
to
not
be
on
it
and
I
can
attend
the
meetings
and
you
can
just
hear
my
voice
at
public
comment.
I
self-selected
off
of
all
the
committees.
M
I
So
I
would
say,
for
every
committee
on
average
you're
looking
at
four
to
five
hours
per
meeting
schedule.
I
think
the
mweb
is
a
great
committee.
I'm
excited
of
the
things
that
we've
been
working
on.
It
is
probably
the
most
complex
in
terms
of
I
don't
I'm
going
to
regret
saying
this
word,
it's
probably
not
the
most
sexiest,
but
it
is
very.
I
What's
the
word
compliance
driven?
So
if
you
do
attend,
I'm
I'm.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
expand
it.
We
report
up
to
our
economic
development
committee.
The
only
concern
with
having
so
many
people-
and
I
can
only
give
my
advice
and
I'm
giving
you
caution
about
burning
yourself
out
in
the
first
year
and
then
you'd
still
be
responsible
for
for
for
quorum,
so
the
committees
we
expand,
you
will
have
an
impact
on
whether
or
not
we
have
quorum.
Let's
expand
away.
A
M
A
A
Yes,
all
right
10
to
nothing
vote.
Congratulations!
Everybody!
On
to
our
next
one
equity
and
empowerment,
commission!
This
is
only
one
member
needed
council
member
fleming
council
member
burns
council
member
reed.
A
I
guess
you
the
three,
because
we
don't
vote,
I
mean
you
get
sorted
out:
congress
council,
member
burns.
A
All
right
that
leaves
us
with
two:
would
you
like
a
moment
to
discuss
and
I
can
circle
back
and
see
how
we're
doing
on
our
whether
or
not
we
need
what
we
need
to
do
for
economic.
J
Development,
I'm
sorry.
I
forgot
that
there
was
only
one
I
think
I
recently
spoke
with
some
members
of
the
equity
empowerment
commission
and
I
think
they're
or
at
least
one
of
them
out
there
maybe
open
to
having
to.
I
think
they'd,
be
happy
if
there
were
two
alderman
serving
on
this
committee
because
of
its
importance,
and
so
I
think
this
is
one
where
we
can
either
expand,
or
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
expand
the
membership.
So
is.
A
B
B
A
J
If
I
may,
chime
in
the,
I
think
the
proposal
is
that
with
the
new
committee
there
would
be
five
council
members
serving
on
the
new
committee.
Am
I
or
is
it
three
it's
I
think
it's
four
council
members
on
the
new
committee
and
then
five
public
members.
So
if
my
memory
is
correct,
yes,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
choosing
three
members
we'll
be
if
we
approve
the
new
committee
it'll
be
four
members,
I
think
per
commission
miss
flex.
Do
you
want
to
maybe
check.
F
R
The
recommendation
actually
took
the
housing
and
community
went
back
to
the
number
of
people
who,
for
many
many
years
had
been
on
the
housing
and
community
development
act
committee.
For
the
longest
time
it
was
four
aldermen
and
five
residents,
because
that
was
one
of
the
goals
was
to
have
it
more
balanced
towards
input
from
residents
and
the
we
recommended
going
back
to
that.
Obviously
it
could
be
changed.
R
J
Yeah
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
it's
we're
not
it'll,
be
four
members
somewhere
down
the
road
and
we,
if
we
come
back
to
it,.
A
A
If
that's
good
for
everybody,
yes,
councilor
wayne.
B
A
Right,
moving
seconded
dar,
you
ready
yes,
okay,
okay,.
B
A
A
Yes,
all
right,
so
on
a
ten,
nothing
vote,
we
have
expanded
it
to
six
and
I
think
that
means
now.
We
just
need
to
vote
on
the
entire
package
of
committee
selections.
A
So
I
move
item
r3.
D
Right
with,
with
the
exception
of
housing,
homelessness
and
equity,
empowerment,
right.
A
A
We're
good
all
right!
So
when
you
have
a
chance.
B
A
All
right,
that's
a
ten,
nothing
vote
and
all
of
those
committee
assignments
have
been
approved
and
we
have
two
to
go
back
to
and
we
will,
as
we
continue
on
our
journey
here,
item
r4,
which
is
resolution
58r21
authorizing
the
creation
of
the
reimagining
public
safety
committee.
A
Mayor
bis,
requests
the
rules
committee
consider
the
creation
of
the
reimagining
public
safety
committee,
a
15
member
ad
hoc
committee,
with
the
task
of
developing
a
report
to
the
city
council
in
the
fall
of
2021,
with
recommendations
arising
from
a
holistic
data,
driven
analysis
of
the
amazon
police
department
budget
in
preparation
for
the
2022
annual
budget
process.
Mayor
bis
also
requests
that
the
committee
report
directly
to
the
city
council
instead
of
the
human
services
committee.
This
is
for
action.
M
I
I
guess
I
see
some
quick
questions.
We're
expanding
our
scope,
mayor
bis,
give
the
fact
that
we
have
the
alternatives
to
9-1-1.
Oliver
and
fleming
you
serve
on
that.
Are
you?
Are
these
complementary
to
each
other
or
an
expansion
as
well?
I
I
feel,
like
we
just
went
through
this
a
couple
of
years
ago,
where
we
just
reimagined
all
of
our
committees
in
in
condensed.
So
I
I
did
read
what
it
is
that
you're
doing,
I'm
just
curious
to
know
how
it's
different
than
the
other
two
committees
that
we
already
have.
N
Yeah,
well,
I
think
it's
complementary
and
and
builds
on
that
important
work.
The
fundamental
difference
is
just
that.
The
scope
here
is
is
quite
a
bit
broader
and
so
it'll
incorporate
those
conversations
about
alternatives
to
emergency
alternative
emergency
response.
It
will
incorporate
the
work
that
you
have
done
on
alternatives
to
arrest
and
also
focus
on
a
number
of
other
issues,
around
police
department
policies,
around
actual
deployment
of
officers
and
time
within
the
department
and
so
forth,
and
you
know
I
I
certainly
don't
do
this
to
suggest
that
that
work
wasn't
critical.
N
I
And
then,
as
most
of
these
committees
report
up
to
human
services,
the
reason
or
the
thought
process
behind
why
we
wouldn't
have
it
report
to
human
services,
as
the
other
committees
do.
N
Because
I
wanted
specifically
to
make
budgetary
recommendations
and
the
human
services
committee
isn't
isn't
a
finance
committee.
As
you
know,
we
have
on
our
agenda
for
discussion,
item
r8
and
if,
if
that
proposal
were
to
go
through,
you
would
imagine
in
a
future
world.
A
committee
like
this
would
report
to
that
budget
subcommittee,
but
it
just
felt
like
with
the
mandate
specifically
being
around
fiscal
and
budgetary
recommendations.
It
seemed
like
human
services,
wasn't
quite
the
right
place
to
to
go.
A
All
right
is.
A
Further
discussion
seeing
none,
I
think,
we're
good
to
vote.
O
Council
member
kelly,
aye
council
member
braithwaite,
aye
councilmember
reed,
I'm
sorry,
council,
member
nguyen
councilmember
nusma,
aye
councilmember
burns
aye.
B
N
A
All
right
so
that
passes
on
a
ten
to
nothing
vote,
and
that
brings
us
to
item
r5,
which
is
approval
of
the
proposed
realignment
of
housing
and
community
development
act.
Committee,
housing
and
homelessness,
commission
and
mental
health
board
under
two
committees
and
direction
to
prepare
an
ordinance
for
approval
by
city.
Council
staff
recommends
approval
from
rules
committee
for
the
proposed
realignment
of
the
housing
community
development
act,
committee,
housing
and
homelessness,
commission
and
mental
health
board
into
two
committees.
A
That
would
each
focus
on
funding
opportunities
for
the
built
environment
and
social
services
and
direction
to
prepare
an
ordinance
for
approval
by
city
council.
This
is
for
action
for
a
second
all
right.
Yes,
sir,
would
you
like
to
talk
about
this,
or
should
we
just
vote
to
approve
it?.
R
This
actually
comes
out
of
the
work
of
the
social
services
core
committee
from
2019,
when
we
were
reorganizing
how
we
looked
at
social
services
provided
by
the
city
and
as
part
of
that
also
how
we
gave
out
funding
to
support
the
goals
of
the
city
and
the
social
services
corps
committee
recommended
that
the
funding
of
cdbg
and
mental
health
board
be
consolidated
and
looked
at
to
really
address
our
residents
of
greatest
need
and
be
more
effectively
focused
that
way.
R
There's
a
lot
of
crossover
between
the
housing
and
community
development
act
committee
and
the
housing
and
homelessness
commission,
and
I
don't
think
we're
as
effective
as
we
are,
could
be
at
using
our
funds
nor
our
volunteers,
and
I
think
it.
It
leads
to
potential
conflicts
and
just
not
good
use
of
people's
time.
So
that's
really
why
we're
proposing
the
two
committees,
the
housing
and
community
development
act
committee,
always
was
kind
of
a
special
committee.
It
was
sort
of
like
economic
development.
R
It
was
a
special
committee
of
the
council,
it
its
recommendations,
always
went
directly
to
council
and
we
recommended
keeping
that
for
the
bricks
and
sticks
committee,
because
it
also
is
the
committee
that
has
responsibility
for
our
hud
and
consolidated
planning
process
and,
that's
always
been,
you
know,
kind
of
more
than
a
normal
ordinary
board
committee
or
commission.
R
So
it's
kind
of
a
blend
of
those
of
the
past
and
what
I
think
could
actually
make
us
much
more
effective
in
the
use
of
our
funds,
the
use
of
our
volunteers,
and
I
do
believe
that
there
are
opportunities
to
get
people
involved
who
aren't
on
boards,
committees
or
commissions
that
give
out
money
or
recommend
money.
Because
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
with
that
is
you
know
you
can't
always
get
a
working
group.
R
That
is
the
best
people
to
address
a
specific
issue,
because
there
isn't
a
challenge,
because
anybody
on
these
two
committees
is
it's
a
pretty
tightly,
because
it's
giving
out
funding
you
can't
have
conflicts
of
interest
and
which
means
that
the
leaders
of
our
large
non-profits
or
any
of
our
non-profits,
who
are
social
service
providers,
can't
be
on
that
and
on
the
built
environment
committee.
You
have
some
of
that
same
thing.
You
can't
get
developers
or
people
who
we
may
want
to
pull
in
when
we're
working
on
a
specific
subject.
R
One
of
my
examples
of
how
we
used
a
an
ad
hoc
committee
effectively
was
when
we
redid
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
and
that
was
formed
specifically
to
be
able
to
address
the
needs
and
get
the
people
who
we
needed
in
that
meeting.
So
I
think
that
we
could
do
a
better
job
of
getting
things
done
and
also.
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
to
our
public
for
transparency,
because
I
got
to
tell
you
I
get
more
calls
like
what
boards
committees
or
commissions
do.
I
have
to
watch
for
housing.
R
Well,
you've
got
housing
and
homelessness.
Commission
you've
got
hcda,
you've
got
plan.
Commission
you've
got,
I
mean,
there's
so
many
different
things,
so
I
think
that
it
would
just,
as
I
say,
make
us
more
efficient
and
effective
any
questions.
M
Yeah,
so
I
I
understand
that
I
think
as
a
little
bit
disappointed.
I
know
you-
and
I
have
had
this
conversation
a
lot
about
the
membership
composition
of
the
committees
that
we
had.
Nobody
with
lived
experience.
I
think
we,
you
know,
talk
a
lot
about
a
community
engagement.
We
talk
a
lot
about
talking
to
people
with
you
know
who
have
these
experiences,
but
I
think
this
is
a
perfect
time
to
bring
them
onto
each
committee
so
for
the
housing
we
could
we
could
easily.
M
We
have
a
lot
of
you
know
subsidized
housing
in
here.
We
don't
want
to
so
they
pull
people
out
by
that
category,
but
we
could
pull
people
in
with
lived
experience
to
talk
about
housing
and
those
kind
of
things
and
the
same
particularly
for
social
services
and
then
for
the
social
services
committee,
probably
even
more
than
the
other
one.
M
I
would
definitely
say
some
lived
experience
because
sitting
through
a
year
of
the
nonprofit
task
force,
I
think
sometimes
you
get
some
of
the
same
thought
with
our
nonprofit
leaders
and
I
don't
always
know
that
they're
speaking
for
the
residents
who
are
trying
to
access
the
service
when
I
speak
to
them-
and
they
call
me
with
an
issue,
so
I
think
definitely
lowering
that
number
from
eight
who
are
non-profit
you
know,
management,
worker
or
whatever
to
actually
some
lived
experience.
J
Reed,
thank
you.
Miss
flex.
I
couldn't
agree
with
alderman
fleming.
More
I
do
believe
lived.
Experience
is
important
and
it's
something
I'm
sure
the
community
is
calling
for
as
well.
You
know
during
our
campaigns
we
had
plenty
of
calls
for
for
for
that
to
occur.
I'd
like
to
know
how
much
money
is
on
the
is
is
is
on
the
line
here.
R
The
social
services
committee
is
approximately
a
million
to
a
million
two
depending
it
fluctuates
based
on
what
our
cepg
is,
because
cbg
15
of
our
grant
can
be
used
for
what
is
called
public
services.
What
is
pretty
much
social
services
again
for
the
second
committee
for
the
built
environment
committee.
R
R
J
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
did.
Did
I
miss
cdbg
how
much.
R
Oh
esg,
I
apologize
esg
is
our
smallest
grant.
It
is
approximately
150
000
a
year
now,
both
cdbg
cv,
esg
cv
and
now
home
money
that
is
coming
through
the
rescue
act
are
not
included
in
these.
Those
are
not
ongoing
things
and
those
funds
have
not
been
going
through
these
boards
committees
and
commissions,
as
it
is
because
the
need
is
to
be
able
to
move
more
rapidly.
So
with
those
we
take
those
recommendations
directly
to
council.
J
R
R
J
Okay
and
then
this
is
coming
to
so
the
next
time
we'll
see
this
it'll
be
on
the
agenda
for
action.
Here's
what
I'm
for
approval.
R
Like
to
be
able
to
prepare
an
ordinance
based
on
any
feedback
from
the
rules
committee
and
bring
it
back
yes,.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
councilmember
wynn,.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
want
to
speak
in
favor
of
this.
I've
served
the
last
four
years
on
cdbg
or
hcda,
and
it's
I
do
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
between
all
of
these,
these
three
committees
and
I
do
think
that
this
realignment
will
be
more
useful
to
members
of
the
new
committees
and
also
to
the
public.
So
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea
and
I
think,
particularly
to
miss
flax
point.
H
Ms
flax
point
about
finding
residents,
who
have
some
expertise
or
area
who
are
not
conflicted
out
of
serving
on
these
committees
is
really
important,
and
I
like
the
idea
of
having,
as
you
mentioned,
task
forces
or
special
topics,
and
what
we
found
over
time
is
that
when
we
have
a
special
topic
that
needs
analysis,
it's
easier
to
get
people
to
work
on
that,
because
it's
for
a
discrete
period
of
time
and
people
can
see
that
I
will
work
on
this
for
eight
or
nine
months
and
then
I'll
I'll
be
done.
H
A
All
right
is
there
any
further
discussion.
J
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
alderman
fleming's
suggestion
is
getting
worked
into
this.
So
do
we
need
to
make
a
motion
to
ensure
that
that's
an
about
as
a
part
of
the
proposal
that
comes
back
or
if.
R
I
actually
would
one
of
the
goals
in
having
people
from
the
neighborhoods
that
are
generally
low
and
moderate
income
was
that
it's
the
same
attempt
to
get
at
people
who
are
literally
those
who
are
targeted
by
the
fund.
I
have
no
problem
with
asking
for
people
who
have
lived
experience
at
a
certain
point
of
kind
and
if
we're
looking
at
the
one
I'm
most
familiar
with,
is
when,
when
hud
has
homelessness
funding,
for
example,
through
the
continuum
of
care,
they
are
required
to
have
people
with
lived
experiences
homelessness.
R
M
Yep,
so
I'm
happy
to
opine
a
little
bit
so
for
the
housing
you
know
we
could.
We
could
use
that
hud
model.
We
could
also
think
about
folks
through
connections
housing.
We
could
also
think
about
people
who
are
living
in
town
under
the
county,
affordable
housing
units.
Right,
I
mean
there's
you
know
this
is
this
money
is
going
to
touch
on
a
variety
of
things
and
I
think
again
using
people
who
are
either
experiencing
that
now
or
have
experienced.
M
You
know
living
in
low
income,
housing
so
on
and
so
forth.
It
would
be
good
to
hear
from
them,
so
I
mean,
I
would
even
say
so.
We
have
nine
people
here,
four
council
members
and
five
members
of
the
community.
I
would
love
to
have
at
least
one
member
of
the
community
who
has
lived
experience,
regardless
of
you
know
where
they
work
and
all
that
now
and
then
for
social
services.
M
I
would
even
so
you
don't
have
that
carb
out
here:
membership
for
social
services-
it's
just
it's
eight
members
of
the
community,
so
I
would
love
to
have
that
to
be
two
members.
If
not
three,
because
again
we
sit
in
these
spaces,
we
design
these
programs.
We
think
that
they're
great
and
then
people
call
us
and
they
can't
access
them
or
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
we're
and
we're
not
doing
all
of
that
design.
M
But
I
think
when
we're
thinking
about
giving
money,
we
want
to
make
sure
part
of
what
we're
giving
money
to
is
a
program
that
people
can
actually
assess.
You
know
like
get
have
access
to.
So
I
would
love
to
see
of
those
eight
community
members,
two
members
be
with
some
sort
of
live
experience,
and
I
think
you
can
figure
out
how
to
carve
that
in
well.
R
Maybe
we
could
look
at
people
who
were
what
we're
calling
our
complex
needs:
households
that
we're
targeting
or
something
yeah.
I.
M
Mean
right:
if
we're
talking
about
legal,
I
you
know
we
we
don't
do
a
whole
lot
with
re-entry
people
trying
to
get
positions
right.
We
don't
even
have
a
necessary
program
here
for
hiring
those
folks.
So
that's
you
know,
there's
different
populations.
I
think
you
can
think
through
who
you
know
we
serve
or
who
we're
not
serving?
Who
we
can
hear
from
then.
If
we
don't
get
them,
we
can
go
back
to
you
know.
Whoever
else
is
available.
R
One
of
the
things
we
could
do
is
maybe
look
for
people
who
have
been
beneficiaries
or
who
have
accessed
or
hopefully
accessed,
not
been
not
on
it,
been
unable
to
access
the
two
categories:
safety
net
services
that
we're
using
and
our
what
we're
calling
our
case
management
in
our
giving
out
of
mental
health
board
and
cdbg
right
now.
Those
are
the
two
categories,
and
maybe
we
could
start
from
that
and
I
I
would
believe
we
could
get
recommendations
from
our
agencies
that
way.
M
Yeah,
that
would
be
great
and
then
my
last
recommendation
for
this
one
is
because
I
get
it
having
been
part
of
this
process,
I
would
say
I
would
hope
there
will
be
two
council
members
who
could
be
on
this
committee,
and
I
say
that
because
we
give
out
a
lot
of
money,
not
a
lot
a
lot.
We
got
enough
money.
I've
been
on
the
mental
health
board
as
a
council
liaison
and
then
as
a
citizen,
and
it
has
evolved.
M
It's
not
perfect,
but
I
think
I
would
love
to
see
council
get
a
little
more
involved
in
this
particular
as
we
come
out
of
the
we
recover
from
covet,
and
we
know
that
our
social
service
needs
are
skyrocketing,
that
we
as
a
council,
are
just
a
little
more
in
touch
with
kind
of
what's
happening.
There
would
be,
in
my
opinion,
helpful.
A
Thank
you,
council
member
burns.
Q
Yeah
just
wanted
to
say
I
I'd
definitely
love
to
join
the
conversation
about
adding
members
to
the
committees
who
have
lived.
Experience
actually
made
a
referral
to
to
look
at
kind
of
restructuring,
our
committees
and
looking
at
membership
purpose
potential
consolidation
realignment,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
delay
this
edition.
But
that
was
the
intent
of
of
making
that
referral.
So
we
could
take
a
look
at
membership
as.
A
Well,
all
right!
Thank
you,
sir,
so
why
don't
we
vote.
J
B
R
I
would
like
to
ask
about
if
the
council
would
like
to
have
two
council
members
on
the
social
services
committee,
though
I
to
me,
that
is
something.
M
M
O
N
A
Right,
ten,
nothing
yeah!
So
that's
with
the
amendment.
J
J
L
Because
we're
in
this
hybrid
model
and
oma
requires
roll
call
votes
because
of
participation,
the
public
remotely,
I
think,
just
to
be
safe.
We
should
continue
with
the
roll
call
vote
so
that
we
don't
violate
omaha
he's
writing
that
we're
all.
Here
we
can
do
a
voice
vote,
but
the
participants
of
the
public
are
not
so
it
should
be
a
real
call.
B
A
Yes,
all
right,
10,
nothing,
okay,
all
right
so
that
passes,
and
that
brings
us
at
5
21
pm
to
items
for
discussion.
Item
r6
is
discussion
of
the
rules
and
organization
of
the
city
of
evanston,
published
december
15th.
2020.
A
J
A
A
I
Point
of
information:
it's
now
8
5
30,
just
in
terms
of
our
council
agenda
fully
aware-
and
I
feel
that
we
have
three
other
items
that
could
potentially
take
time
and
based
on
the
items
that
we
have
on
our
city
council
agenda.
I
it's
difficult
to
be
here
past
midnight,
so
I
I
feel
like
these
are
all
very
important
issues
and
so
that
we're
not
rushing
through
them
that
maybe
we
take
them
up
next
month
at
our
next
rules.
I
L
Just
wanted
to
make
a
suggestion
that,
since
these
items
are
on
the
agenda
for
discussion,
I
don't
believe
any
action
can
be
taken
and
that
would
actually
violate
the
open
meetings
act.
However,
if
the
members
of
council
just
have
rules
that
they
would
like
to
amend-
and
we
already
know
eighteen
eleven
eighteen
twelve-
we
work
with
staff
to
actually
work
on
those
amendments
to
bring
them
back
for
approval
to
the
rules
committee.
So
if
you
just
wanna
list
off
what
they
are
and
then
later
we
can
confer
with
staff
to
amend
them.
A
N
Wanted
to
echo,
say
something
along
the
lines
of
what
was
just
said.
I
it's
close
to
5
30.
The
rules
are,
let's
see,
27
page
document.
I
think
it
was
already
clear
two
weeks
ago
that
there's
some
ambiguities
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
things
that
ought
to
be
tightened
up,
and
so
I
I
would
advocate
for
a
mechanism
to
you
know,
have
a
funnel
into
which
go
any
recommendation
for
a
proposed
change
from
any
of
the
10
of
us,
so
that
we
can
have
a
discussion
with
clarity
about
all
the
all.
A
I
agree
other
sicily
all
right,
so
why
don't
we
do
this
or
why
don't
you
want
a
funnel?
You
want
a
list
to
work
on.
Should
we
say
that
everybody
should
get
the
rules
that
they
have
concerns
about
to
the
law
department
by
the
end
of
the
week.
I
Not
on
a
night
that
we
have
city
council
well,.
H
Well
then,
the
first
monday
night
is
june
7th,
that
is,
human
services.
I
don't
know
how
packed
that
agenda
is,
but
that.
H
P
A
As
a
rules
committee,
there
will
be
a
new
chair,
other
council
member
win.
We
will
all
get
our
suggested
rules,
changes
to
corporation
council
comings
by
nick.
Do
you
need?
Is
it
the
end
of
this
week?
You
can
get?
Can
you
go
a
little
farther
out
in
a
deadline?
What's
your
deadline.
J
Point
yeah
point
of
order.
I
had
a
motion
on
on
the
floor.
J
So
my
motion
was
to
to
address
rule
18.11
and
18.12..
I
would
like
maybe
clarification
from
council
cummings.
J
The
rules
committee
sets
rules
for
the
our
our
body
itself,
which
seems
like
because
we're
only
setting
a
rule
for
ourselves
and
not
for
the
public
that
wouldn't
be
a
violation
of
oma
to
change
that
rule
at
this
moment
without
notice,
because
it's
a
it's
it's
our
own
council
rule
is
that
your
understanding
of
the
meetings
act.
L
No,
my
understanding
is
that
you
have
an
agenda,
it's
been
published,
you
have
it
set
for
discussion
and
you
are
now
trying
to
take
action
on
something
that
is
outside
of
what's
been
published.
So
again,
it's
just
advice.
This
body
can
vote
on
on
the
active
motion,
but
I
I
err
on
the
side
of
risk
and
say
that
the
the
action
is
would
be
inappropriate
under
oma.
B
B
A
A
J
As
long
as
it
gets
on
the
agenda,
there
were
a
few
other
references
that
I
made
at
the
last
meeting
for
for
this
agenda
that
didn't
make
it
on
so
as
long
as
those
items
make
it
on
happy
to
happy
to
do
that.
N
L
We'll
find
out
yeah
I
mean
I.
I
assume
that
the
proposal
won't
just
be
change.
This
rule
it'll
be
change
this
rule
so
that
it
does
x,
y
and
z,
or
says
this
this
and
this,
and
that's
certainly
something
that
our
department
could
work
on
before
prior
to
june.
Seventh,
okay,
well,.
N
How
would
it
be
if
we
send
you
two
types
of
item?
One
item
is:
please
change
rule
x
from
this
to
this,
and
the
other
is
let's
talk
about
ways
to
change
rule
y
and
that
the
first
would
wind
up
on
the
agenda
for
action,
and
the
second
would
wind
up
in
the
agenda
for
discussion.
Is
that
doable?
Yes,
awesome?
Thank
you.
M
I
know
I'm
sorry,
that's
cool,
no,
but
okay.
So
just
no,
because
now
we're
taking
10
minutes
to
talk
about
this
yeah,
so
rule
r7
and
our
eight
were
my
issues
and
if
I
don't
need
to
put
them
on
the
seventh
because
that's
I
guess,
gonna
be
a
special
meeting
special
so
to
speak.
But
when
do
we
talk
about
our
seven
and
our
eight?
Because
now
we
spend.
M
M
J
A
J
A
Right:
okay,
can
we
con
all
right,
we'll
we'll
confirm
that
councilmember
newsman.
D
Mr
chair
just
point
of
clarification:
r7
does
not
relate
to
the
rules.
R7
relates
to
an
ordinance,
and
so
I
understand
wanting
to
push
r6
and
r8,
since
they
both
relate
to
rules
until
that
date
certain,
but
are
seven
does
that
need
to
be
included
in
that
it
can
be.
Does
it
need
to
be.
A
A
Think
yeah,
the
the
vision
here
would
be
that
we
would
be
starting
our
meeting
on
the
seventh
with
all
of
the
ideas
that
we
would
have
talked
about
for
the
next
several
minutes
on
the
table
and
it's
probably
more
efficient
use
of
our
time.
So
that
works
for
everybody
that
council
member
kelly.
K
So
if
for
the
finance
and
budget
committee,
if
I
wanted
to
recommend
that
that
become
a
standing
committee
and
that
we
amend
our
bylaws
refer
that
to
the
city
council,
would
that
still
have
to
wait?
Or
could
I
recommend
that
this
be
referred
to
city
council
to
amend
our
bylaws
so
that
that
becomes
a
standing
committee.
M
So
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
will
in
my
so
I
made
the
referral
before
this
new
council
was
set
about
a
budget
committee.
So
I
a
discussion.
So
if
part
of
that
discussion
is
you
wanted
to
be
a
standing
committee,
you
would
make
that
recommendation.
I
believe
at
the
rules
committee
when
we're
having
that
discussion.
If
I'm
correct.
M
A
Also
make
a
referral
call
awards
if
you
want
to
do
that.
Okay,
I
would
like
to
have
a
robust
discussion
of
these
items,
but
you're
also
three
minutes
past,
where
I
thought
we'd
be,
and
we
do
have.
We
have
to
circle
back
on
two
of
the
committees:
right,
the
equity
and
empowerment
and
housing
and
homelessness.
J
A
P
So
so
you're
suggesting
that
we're
eliminating
the
housing
and
homelessness
commission
because
it's
going
to
be
part
of
part
of
the
housing
and
community
development
committee,
because
I
mean
I'm
I'm
going
to
want
to
have
my
name
move
down
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee.
Then
because
I
was
hoping
to
be
on
the
housing
and
homelessness
commission.
M
P
M
M
Legal,
but
is
that
correct
cummings
I
mean
we
can't
appoint
people
to
a
committee
that
doesn't
really
exist.
L
Unless
so,
right
now,
under
the
ordinance
for
one
of
these
two
committees,
the
mayor
appoints
with
the
consent
of
counsel.
So
it
depends
on
what
the
ordinance
says
when
we
come
back.
But
if
it's,
if
it's
council
members,
it's
the
rules
committee,
but
unless
the
ordinance
says
it's
the
mayor
that
appoints
and
then
the
mayor
picks
the
council
members.
A
So
you're
good
you're,
good
you're
good
with
that
we
have
this
okay
councilmember
burns.
Q
B
R
We
haven't
officially
disbanded
it,
but
that
was
the
intent
and
we
had
not
added
to
it.
So
we
have
not
even
quite
a
full
quorum.
We
had
a
couple
people
hanging
on
who
would
come
in
and
actually
get
us
a
quorum,
but
we
don't
really
have
business
that
I
expect
will
be
coming
for
the
housing
and
homelessness
commission
in
the
immediate
future.
So
hopefully
we
can
get
that.
A
All
right
so
everyone's
good
with
everything,
because
then
I
would
like
to
just
make
a
referral
for
a
new
ordinance
on
the
economic
development
committee,
as
required
for
the
changes
we
made
today.
Does
anybody
else
have
new
business
all
right?
How
about
items
for
communication,
then
this
scene
on
this
meeting
is.