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A
B
C
A
C
D
I,
don't
remember
the
specific
instance
that
generated
that,
but
one
of
the
concerns
that
I've
had
over
time
is
all
of
the
pre
activity,
special
counsel
issues,
discussion,
items,
presentations,
reports
requiring
no
action
whatsoever,
even
though
we've
added
council
meetings
to
our
monthly
calendar
special
council
meetings,
and
it
just
it
seems
to
me
that
plus
citizen
comment
sometimes
starting
our
meetings
at
ten
o'clock.
How
and
the
public
really
feel
good
about
people
who
have
been
up
since
five
six
a.m.
D
in
the
morning
worked
a
full
day
and
then
begin
the
city
business
at
ten
o'clock
at
night.
Doesn't
does
it
make
sense
and
I
thought?
Maybe
somebody
could
come
up
with
an
idea
other
than
mine,
which
is
never
have
presentations
other
than
maybe
some
life-saving
award
that
we
want
to
or
honor
some
hero
for
have
either
all
of
those
presentations
and
I
know.
D
Staff
would
have
to
stay
late
at
the
end
of
our
meeting
or
not
have
them
at
all
on
a
regular
council
meeting
at
you
know
you
cannot
predict
when
you
look
at
one
of
our
agendas
that
that
meeting
is
going
to
be
long
or
that
meeting
is
going
to
be
short.
We
all
know
that
you
can
look,
you
can
look
at
an
agenda
and
say
up
we're
going
to
be
out
of
here
tonight
by
nine
thirty
at
eleven
o'clock.
We
are
frequently
still
sitting
here
so
I.
D
D
E
F
Agree
with
we
need
to
make
some
changes,
particularly
when
we,
the
meetings,
go
on
so
late,
I
know.
Another
item
that
we
talked
about
is
possibly
having
non-citizen
comment:
non-agenda
items
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
versus
commingled
with
theses
and
comment
for
agenda
items
and
then
a
few
years
ago
it
may
have
actually
been
with
our
first
term
doubt
the
SEC.
This
segment
we
discussed
possibly
doing
a
P&W
or
P
and
D
on
a
different
night
than
the
console
night.
F
So
we're
not
starting
so
late,
and
we
said
we
revisit
that
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
ever
did
revisit
that
I
know
with
a
P&W,
that's
more
important
to
having
the
same
console
night
for
bills.
Reasons
and
P
and
D
hasn't
been
that
long
recently,
but
it
does
take
a
usually
an
hour
on
average,
maybe
an
hour
and
a
half
of
their
a
few
controversial
things.
So
does
anybody
have
thoughts
on
changing
those
meeting
times
or
only
having
P
and
D?
A
G
Don't
haven't
answered
it
to
that
one
alderman,
verse,
but
but
I
think
it's
a
question
we
should
visit
in
terms
of
proclamations
and
those
things.
Those
would
all
be
fine
to
have
them
at
the
third
meeting
people
really
like
them.
They
are
important
in
ways
that
I
didn't
know
until
I
became
there,
so
I
would
certainly
defend
having
them,
but
I'm
not
arguing
alderman
rainy
about
when
we
have
them
simply.
H
I
and
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
we
should
entertain.
You
know
moving
these
moving
the
presentations
to
that
special
meeting.
As
far
as
change
in
the
pnd
in
the
APWU
I
think,
if
we
move
the
presentations,
it
would
solve
a
lot
of
the
problem.
The
other
thing
is:
if,
if
someone's
coming
to
the
PMD
meeting
and
they're
interested
in
that
you
basically
making
them
come
back
twice,
if
you
know
an
outside
person
or
a
resident,
so
I
don't
know
that
it's
necessary
to
kind
of
put
them
to
that
kind
of
task
and
I
again.
H
I
I
My
one
concern
is
you
know
we
have
our
frequent
flyers,
people
who
come
by
on
regular
basis,
but
quite
often
we
see
members
of
the
community
just
come
up
in
and
utilize
that
time
to
make
public
announcements-
and
you
know
every
once
in
a
while,
we'll
get
a
kid
or
two
that
come
along
with
it.
So
I'm
I
don't
know
if
we've
ever
looked
at
this,
but
maybe
we
limit
our
public
comments.
I
So
if
you
speak
to
either
have
our
residents
speak
on
agenda
or
non-agenda
item
and
I'm
a
little
bit
cringing
when
I
say
it,
but
you
know
there
are
some
people
who
are
rather
abusive
with
the
time
and
don't
adhere
to
the
mayor's
limits,
particularly
when
we
have
a
large
agenda.
So
I
would
either
look
for
stricter
time
limits
or
possibly
limiting.
You
know
non-agenda
or
agenda
item
to
our
residents,
but
those
are
my
thoughts
almond.
D
Reading
one
of
the
things
that
I
find
very
curious
and
don't
challenge,
but
people
who
speak
to
us
usually
on
an
agenda
items
and
also
one
agenda
items
frequently
they
will
speak
and
we
have
no
idea
unless
maybe
they
go
home
and
watch
it
on
TV.
But
if
they're
coming
to
give
us
advice
or
make
suggestions
about
an
agenda
item,
you
would
think
they
would
stay
and
see
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
that.
D
So
that
that's
just
a
comment,
but
on
the
matter
of
our
standing
committees
back
when
we
had
18
alderman
alderman
did
not
serve
on
two
committees.
They
served
on
one
committee
so
that
we
had
our
committee
meetings
running
at
exactly
the
same
time
before
the
council
meeting.
So
people
who
were
interested
in
human
services
went
there.
D
E
A
J
Thought
that
we
got
to
this
spot
because
people
had
more
interesting
than
just
one
committee
and
that's
why
we
move
that
I
believe
back
in
like
12
6
207
I
was
when
those
discussions
came
up,
that
people
had
different
interests,
and
so
nobody
just
wanted
to
be
regulated
to
one
committee,
and
that
was
it
because
there
was
input
on
other
committees,
so
I
see
value
in.
Actually,
you
know
I
still
think
that
we
should
serve
on
all
the
committee's,
because
we
could
get
things
done.
But
that's
my
opinion.
J
You
know
I,
don't
know
how
we
manage
the
time,
but
I
really
do
feel
that
that
would
you
you
would
save
so
much
time
in
terms
of
retrying
to
repeat
the
same
things
over
again
at
council
meeting.
If
we
all
serve
them
all
of
the
committee's
we'd
have
all
the
information.
At
the
same
time,
getting
citizens
comments,
input
staff.
All
of
that
would
be
taken
care
of,
but.
D
D
But
one
of
the
things
the
council
meeting
is
for
I
always
felt
was
so
that
alderman,
who
weren't
times
the
committee,
could
get
involved
in
the
conversation,
and
it
would
be
a
full
blown
conversation
and
I
do
not
believe
and
will
never
support.
Having
you
know,
I'm,
not
even
sure
you
call
it
where
everything
is.
Is
there's
no
committees,
it's
all
council.
What
do
you
call
that
come.
A
So
I
just
move
on
right,
I
would
say
sort
of
separating
these
out.
I
agree
with
the
concept
of
having
the
idea
of
having
the
special
presentations
on
a
single
on
particular
night.
Then
people
actually
can
plan
about
that.
I
would
agree
with
alderman
braithwaite
that
they
we
do
sometimes
have
folks
who
come
on
a
non-agenda
item
that
turns
out
they're,
presenting
something
that's
very
important
or
critical,
or
something
that
we
don't
know
about
and
that's
their
opportunity
to
do
that
and
that's
happened
many
times
over
the
years.
A
You
know
we
do
have
people
who
do
come
back.
You
know
they.
They
speak
an
agenda
item
and
then
they
come
back
for
the
general
comment.
But
many
times
we
have
people
come
and
it
isn't
an
agenda
item,
but
they
do
wait
and
they
provide
comments,
and
it
is
started
conversations
here
on
the
council
and
we
take
some
action
with
it.
So
I
wouldn't
like
to
make
those
folks
wait
till
the
end
of
the
meeting.
A
K
You
I
don't
know
that
I
agree
with
that,
but
I
do
think
that,
if
someone's
coming
with
with
something
that
important
that
we
possibly
don't
know
about,
I
would
like
to
encourage
them
to
come
to
a
committee
meeting
with
it
where
it
fits
because
then
there
can
be
some
interaction.
There
can
be
two
some
discussion
if
we
need
more
information
from
them,
I
think
that
would
be
the
appropriate
place
for
a
non-agenda
item
like
that.
Otherwise
I
think
they
could
really
be
comfortably
accommodated
at
the
end
of
or
before
or
after
called
the
ward,
but.
A
Sometimes
people
don't
necessarily
know
where
they
should
go
and
they
do
want
to
have
it
come
before
the
the
community
as
a
whole
I
mean
most
times
those.
But
it's
it's.
You
know
it's
not
common,
but
it's
not
unusual
for
have
people
to
have
people
come
and
do
that
and
it's
it's
fairly
uncommon,
so
that
I
think
making
someone
wait
for
an
entire
evenings
meeting
to
come
back
to
wait
through
the
whole
meeting
and
then
provide
some
information
there
with
that
San.
We
aren't
really
having
that
happen.
A
B
You,
madam
chair,
well
having
been
a
citizen
during
the
time
when
there
were
two
meetings
going
on
at
once.
I
always
thought
it
worked
well
I.
If
I'm
remembering
correctly,
there
were
five
alderman
on
P
and
D
for
on
a
npw
met.
At
the
same
time,
if
there
was
an
issue
pertaining
to
award
and
that
Halderman
was
not
on
the
committee,
they
would
take
a
break
from
the
other
committee
and
step
over
and
and
participate
in
the
discussion
and
that
just
seemed
to
work.
Well,
it
was
a
smaller
group.
B
B
I'd
I
know
that
it's
annoying
sometimes
and
for
his
citizens
to
stand
up
and
use
the
agenda
and
not
agenda
items,
sort
of
to
continue
their
discussion
from
an
agenda
item
and
make
it
shoehorn
it
into
a
non-agenda
item.
That
irritates
me,
but
the
fact
is
that
we
do
allow
that
and
or
the
mayor
needs
to
just
say
it's
not
it's
not
appropriate.
You
used
your
time
already.
G
A
G
D
Agree
with
what
you
just
said
and
I
was
going
to
come.
What
is
your
mic
of
it,
and
that
is
that
people,
people
I,
would
agree
with
that.
Three
minutes.
You
speak
one
time.
That's
it
one
time
get
everything
you've
got
to
say
in
unless,
of
course,
there's
only
two
people
signed
up
if
we
could
keep
to
the
rule
and
the
rule
is
that
the
meeting
if
I'm
the
meeting
must
start
45
minutes
after
no
later
than
45
minutes
after
you
Gavin
it
to
order
for
citizen
comment,
it's
got
to
start
45
minutes.
D
C
C
A
E
J
J
No,
the
second
part
to
that
in
terms
of
when
the
human
services
should
start
when
rules
ends,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
wait
so,
for
instance,
if
we
finish
at
seven
tonight,
then
we
still
gotta
wait
a
half
an
hour
before
we
start,
and
that
was
a
whole
point
in
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
had.
You
know
that
connect.
If
I
remember
correctly,
that's
what
the
conversation
was
about
so.
C
C
J
C
I
guess
my
only
concern
is:
is
that
you,
you
usually
get
a
group
of
community
members
who
come
just
for
Human
Services
and
then
you
would
be
I
think
they
would
then
have
to
come.
It's
at
six
o'clock,
not
knowing
when
human
services
would
start,
and
if
the
council's
comfortable
with
that,
then
that's
perfectly
fine
about
that
group.
C
That
is
a
regular
attendees
we
often
hear
from
when
they
feel
that
those
those
times
are
not
agreed
to
right,
and
if
that's
fine
I
mean
it's
the
council's
prerogative,
I'm
just
there's
a
group
of
eight
or
ten
people
who
regularly
attend
Human
Services,
who
will
then
have
to
come
at
six
o'clock?
Well,.
G
C
G
J
A
A
A
D
D
K
K
F
A
C
Madame,
chair
members,
the
committee,
the
first
item
of
you
discussed
regarding
presentations,
I,
guess
I,
would
not
only
it
would
ask
that
I
be
allowed
to
control
the
mayor
with.
There
are
many
instances
when
organizations
come
to
us
and
say
they
very
much
want
a
specific
evening
for
a
presentation,
because
it
is
an
anniversary.
There
are
extenuating
circumstances,
so
as
long
as
I
have
little
flexibility
to
confer
with
the
mayor,
and
so
for
those
instances
where
there's
any
number
of
occasions
I
can
think
of
where
organizations
are
very
much
what
a
particular
day.
D
E
J
All
three
homes,
no
I
was
just
going
to
say,
I,
think
that
you
know
to
declare
the
month
of
sep
tember
domestic,
violent
munch.
You
wouldn't
want
to
do
that
on
the
third
we
want
to
do
at
the
beginning
of
the
month,
I
mean
because
so
I
think
that
we
should
have
that
flexibility
in
terms
of
okay
special
occasions.
Thank
you.
A
C
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
a
few
meetings
back
we
had
talked
about
boards
and
commissions
and
where
we
were
with
with
them
and
I
think
was
the
decision
of
the
committee
at
that
time
for
staff
to
conduct
a
survey
among
the
committee
chairs,
LD
capriccio,
so
the
assistance
of
the
city
managers.
Here
she
will
give
a
short
presentation.
Others
materials
in
your
packet
as
well,
build
a
good
evening,
good.
L
Evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
merit
Azam
city
manager,
ilda
capriccioso
assistant,
to
the
city
manager
in
your
packet.
There
is
a
memo
that
just
basically
provides
a
recommendation
in
a
summary
and
the
survey
results
and
just
to
give
you
kind
of
a
very
brief
overview
of
the
survey
results
that
was
conducted.
L
We
sent
out
a
survey
to
the
boards
and
commissioned
the
chairs
of
those
asking
them
to
respond
to
a
number
of
questions
about
their
committee
and
if
they
felt
they
understood
the
purpose
of
their
committee,
if
their
committee
could
be
merged
with
other
other
committees.
Overall
I
would
say
that
most
of
the
respondents
agreed
their
board
or
committee
benef
understood
what
their
what
their
charge
was
didn't
feel
as
if
they
would
be
would
benefit
from
a
merger
of
another
committee.
L
G
L
Commissions
so
I
think
I.
Think
in
the
comments
that
we
received
there
was
a
suggestion
that
either
joint
meetings
between
the
police,
review
and
Human
Relations
Committee
would
benefit
from
merging
or
at
least
having
a
joint
committee.
So
that's
the
only
one
that
that
was
called
to
so
that
was
one
person
yeah.
C
They're,
just
all
members
of
the
committee,
there
has
been
one
a
group
of
merger
talks
going
on
and
that's
between
the
Arts
Council
and
the
public
art
committee.
Both
groups
have
agreed
to
a
merger.
We
are
working
on
the
paperwork
to
bring
to
the
council,
which
will
probably
see
toward
the
end
of
September,
so
those
groups
independently
have
had
those
discussions,
they've
agreed
and
we'll
be
bringing
that
to
the
council.
Surely.
J
L
J
L
C
Madame,
chair
alderman
homes,
what
I
have
done
in
the
context
of
all
of
us
is
I've
I'm
in
the
process
of
putting
together
a
meeting
with
all
the
board
and
committee
chairs,
so
that
will
occur
sometime
during
the
month
of
October.
We're
sure
going
to
have
two
meetings
to
try
to
accommodate
people's
schedules
will
have
a
chance
to
talk.
C
Our
various
boards
and
commissions
are
all
over
the
place
as
far
as
their
their
connection,
I
think,
with
the
with
city
staff
and
with
the
work
of
the
city,
some
of
them
land
use
committees,
are
very
active
and
meet
very
regularly.
Some
of
our
committees,
a
little
less
so
I
think
so
talking
with
them
one-on-one
and
as
part
of
a
hopefully,
a
smaller
group
as
well
I'll
be
able
to
get
some
more
information
if
it
comes
of
that,
oh
bring
it
back.
J
C
I
think
there's
additional
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
There
are
a
lot
of
boards
and
commissions
out
there.
They
they're
they're
all
not
created
completely
equal
as
far
as
their
charge
and
the
work
that
is
asked
of
them,
so
I
think
it's
a
work
in
progress
will
continue
to
work
with
them,
but
I
think
is
amiss.
Capriccioso
indicated.
C
The
additional
training,
I
think,
is
very
important
and
will
work
to
put
together
training,
that's
generic
citywide
and
then
the
individual
boarding,
Commission
staff,
alderman
rainy
and
I
actually
discussed
this
matter
earlier
today,
and
she
raised
a
very
good
point
of
better
communication
among
the
staff
members
that
work
with
our
boards
and
commissions
and
so
prior
to
meeting
with
the
chairs.
I
will
convene
a
meeting
of
the
staff
as
well
so
I'll.
Take
the
lead
with
Miss.
Capriccio
has
helped
and
will
hopefully
communicate
more
regularly
with
everybody
and.
L
F
Great
in
just
a
few
comments,
1
being
the
overview,
the
training
piece
I
think
would
be
helpful
to
have
a
couple
alderman
come
to
that
training,
piece
and
sort
of
give
perspective,
particularly
around
the
budget
issue.
I
know
that
that's
something
that
comes
often
of
you
know.
We
need
more
money
for
this
or
that
and
a
special
interest
and
giving
a
perspective
of
how
we
talk
about
the
budget
and
how
we
view
having
to
look
at
everything
at
the
city.
I
think
that
dialogue
is
helpful.
F
F
I
do
think
it's
important
to
get
a
broader
perspective,
and
maybe
we
would
get
feedback
from
those
committee
members
that
we
didn't
get
feedback
from
the
chair.
I
just
think
it
gives
us
a
broader
perspective
on
that
and
then
the
third
comment
is
the
the
boards
or
Commission's,
where
they
report,
which
standing
committees
they
report
to.
It
could
be
helpful
for
the
chair
of
that
particular
the
ultimate
chaired
that
committee
to
regularly
meet
with
the
chair
of
the
board
or
committee.
F
That's
reporting,
reporting
up,
I,
know
whew
I,
guess
as
a
month
or
so
ago,
into
the
mental
health
board
meeting
and
then
also
had
independent
meetings
with
the
chair
of
the
mental
health
board.
Just
to
have
a
conversation,
not
it's
more,
they
get
to
know
you.
This
is
how
we,
you
know
we
view.
What's
going
on
on
the
standing
committee
would
like
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
your
feeling.
F
Your
committee,
your
philosophy,
just
more
of
a
dialogue,
I
think,
would
be
helpful
and
not
feeling
so
much
that
the
committee's
are
doing
their
work
and
then
it
comes
to
the
console
and
there's
no
connection
I.
Just
think
it
would
be
less
adversarial,
I,
don't
know
what
I
mean.
Anybody
else
thinks
about
that
idea.
Those
are
thoughts
all.
D
Not
our
relationship
with
any
of
the
communities
is
adversarial
other
than
I
know.
The
plan
commission
has
had
some
problems
so
that
overturning
the
ruins
but
I
think
that's
by
me
in
prayer
as
well,
but
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
in
adversarial,
but
I
will
tell
you
reading
this.
I
was
shocked
at
how
few
people
responded
and
really
shocked
and
I
don't
see
how
any
of
this
is
helpful
to
me
because
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what
committees
strongly
agree
with.
You
know
that
they
would
benefit
from
training
or
they
somewhat
agree.
D
They
would
I,
don't
I
think
their
needs.
We
need
to
have
the
committee's
identified
I'd
also
like
to
know
what
committees
did
not
respond
and
and
of
course
I
think
you
know
it
would
have
been
good
and
I
know
we
did
decide
just
to
have
the
chairs,
but
I
would
really
like
to
see
a
response
from
the
committee
members,
I
I.
Think
training
is
very
important.
D
I
would
really
like
to
know
how
how
who
responded,
how
not
the
name
of
the
person
we
can
always
look
up,
who
the
chair
is,
but
just
to
see
what
committees
responded
and
then
I
think
we
need
to
once
we
talk
to
the
staff
person
of
those
committees
find
out
what
it
is
that
we
can
do
about
that.
You
know
they
not
engaged.
You
know
they're
representing
the
city
in
many
ways.
K
You
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
engage
with
committees
any
in
any
opportunity
we
have
to
do
so.
I
took
a
bus
tour
with
the
parson
rec
committee
board
whatever
last
couple
weeks
ago,
and
it
was.
It
was
interesting
not
to
see
what
parks
there
were
certainly
priorities
for,
but
just
get
to
know
the
folks
and
I
think
the
entire
board
was.
There
was
a
good.
It
was
a
good
right
along
and
really
interesting,
since
I
had
bumped
heads
with
preservation
so
many
times,
I've
invited
them
to
come.
K
My
next
board
meeting
it
was
actually
their
initiative,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
for
them
to
come
out
and
talk
and
for
me
to
get
to
know
them,
but
also
let
folks
in
the
sixth
ward,
understand
what
what
their
priorities
are.
What
their
you
know
why
we
do
have
issues
in
terms
of
preservation,
so
any
engaging
of
a
committee
board
or
whatever
I
think,
is
a
terrific
idea.
Thank.
G
Doll
well
I've
been
asked
by
staff
not
frequently
with
several
times
to
call
a
board
member
and
discuss
how
they,
how
they
make
the
public
feel
and
excuse
me,
alderman
rainy,
I,
think
that's
a
major
issue
and
I'd
like
to
be
part
of
deciding
what
goes
into
board
and
Commission
training,
because
people
just
aren't
as
aware
of
the
fact
that
when
they're
sitting
up
here,
they're
controlling
other
people's
lives
and
it
that's
a
scary
thing
for
the
people
of
who's
who
are
asking
the
board
for
whatever.
So.
A
I
would
very
much
agree
with
that
and
I
think
part
of
the
training
should
also
be
for
the
committee
members
to
understand
the
scope
of
what
their
role
is
on
the
committee,
because
sometimes
we
have
had
committee
members
make
comments
that
are
far
beyond
the
issue:
that's
in
front
of
them
back
to
the
public,
and
so
that
not
not
frequently,
but
enough
that
it's
it's
inappropriate.
You
know
they're
providing
their
own
commentary
on
something,
that's
not
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
committee
yeah.
C
Miss
capriccio
so
has
been
Dragoon
to
help
with
this
and
we'll
continue
to
work
on
this,
but
really
prior
to
that.
We
have
not
been
spending
a
lot
of
time.
Coordinating
these
issues,
the
individual
staff
that
work
with
the
boards
and
pretty
obviously
do
and
the
land-use
committees
I
think
first
and
foremost
have
a
lot
of
the
coordination
time
with
staff.
But
others
do
not.
So
we
will
continue
to
try
to
keep
that
balance
and
we'll
come
back
at
a
future
meeting
with
an
update.
Thank.
A
C
Chair
members
of
the
committee
of
something
I
did
not
place
on
the
agenda,
but
had
shared
an
email
with
you
last
evening
was
to
check
in.
Regarding
the
council
goals,
you
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Last
fall
crafting
goals,
my
senses.
These
are
good
goals
that
continue
to
serve
the
council
in
the
community
and
I.
Wanted
to
ask
the
question
this
evening.
Did
you
agree
with
that
and
if
so,
we'll
just
let
those
goals
continue?
C
D
A
C
A
Item
6
is
to
cancel
the
October
Rules
Committee
in
order
to
hold
joint,
I
joined
Human
Services,
Committee
Housing
and
Community
Housing
and
Community
Development
Act
see
to
be
G
committee
and
a
health
board
meeting
mental
health
board
meeting.
Sorry
not
reading
this
very
well
on
human
services
funding
all
members
I.
F
E
D
C
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
this
is
also
on
the
agenda
for
the
Human
Services
Committee
this
evening.
So
perhaps
we
can
continue
to
work.
I,
don't
know
that
there
are
other
pending
matters
before
rules.
So
if
it's
all
right
with
the
committee
I'll
confer
with
the
chair
and
if
there's
no
need
to
be
meet
in
October,
we
won't
okay.