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A
Welcome
everyone
to
the
monday
august
3rd
2020
evanston
rules
committee
meeting.
This
is
comprised
of
all
the
aldermen
and
the
mayor
as
a
result
of
the
executive
order
issued
by
governor
jb
pritzker
suspending
in-person
attendance
requirements
for
public
meetings.
Rule
committee,
members
in
the
city.
A
It
all
got
cut
off
here,
kimberly
as
a
result
of
governor
pritzker's
order.
We
are
meeting
virtually
so
if
I
could
ask
for
a
motion
to
meet
virtually
with
a
second
we'll
take
a
roll.
B
A
Thank
you,
dar
francelno
is
the
assistant
for
this
meeting
dar.
Could
you
please
take
the
role.
D
B
E
A
Here
so
all
nine
aldermen
and
the
mayor
is
independence.
We
have
quorum,
we're
now
going
to
open
it
up
to
public
comment.
I
understand
we
have
three
public
commenters
this
evening.
Each
individual
will
be
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
public
comment.
The
first
one
is
sean
collier.
The
second
will
be
mike
basilco
and
the
third
will
be
daisy.
F
F
First
off,
I
want
to
give
mayor
haggerty
a
special
thanks
for
stating
in
his
email
to
the
attorney
general
on
march
6th
that
he
is
committed
to
providing
the
transparency
that
his
residents
expect.
Thank
you
mayor
for
including
so
many
emails
between
yourself
and
donald
wilson.
I'm
curious!
Why?
If
this
concerns
the
entire
rules
committee,
all
the
other
committee
members
were
not
included
in
your
back
and
forth.
You
and
don
wilson
seem
to
have
a
long
history
of
taking
clerk,
read
the
task
when
it
appears
that
it
was
not
warranted.
F
F
Thank
you
for
your
transparency
mayor.
I
hope
you
continue
to
be
a
paragon
of
decency
and
virtue,
and
rather
than
silencing
your
black
city
clerk,
as
he
gives
his
defense
to
your
attacks
and
accusations,
as
you
did
during
the
last
city
council
meeting,
you
listen
with
respect
and
in
silence
until
he
has
had
his
say.
I
hope
you
do
not
force
him
to
sign
up
as
a
public
commenter
in
order
to
have
any
say
about
your
public
accusations,
as
you
did
last
time.
F
Thank
you
for
your
commitment
to
transparency
mayor
and
I
hope
you
work
just
as
hard
as
you
have
on
this,
to
make
sure
that
your
constituents
have
easy
access
to
public
city
records
and
public
police
records.
I
oppose
your
handling
of
agenda
item
r4.
I
stand
with
clerk
reid.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
G
I
guess
it
doesn't
matter
so
just
to
go
through
the
items
on
the
agenda,
I'm
in
favor
of
r2,
where
staff
recommends
no
increase.
G
For
city
council
members,
because
they
are
public
servants,
I
am
greatly
in
favor
of
item
r3
returning
to
in-person
meetings,
so
we
are
not
cut
off
and
sent
back
to
the
waiting
room
during
these
virtual
meetings,
which
I
do
not
understand,
we've
been
able
to
do
it
on
every
other
meeting.
Why
this
one?
I
don't
know
what's
nice
about
being
able
to
stay
involved,
is
that
you
can
use
the
chat
feature
you
can
use.
G
You
can
raise
your
hand
if
you
want
to
make
another
comment
or
something
like
that,
but
it's
just
it
just
pushes
public
comment
and
citizens
further
away
when
you
dismiss
them
into
a
waiting
room
and,
like
the
previous
speaker
r4,
this
came
out
of
the
blue.
For
me,
I
I
just
saw
it
on
the
agenda.
I
don't
know
I
saw
all
the
documentation,
but
I
would
have
thought
this
would
have
been
raised
earlier.
G
I
hope
you're
gonna
give
the
city
clerk
an
opportunity
to
defend
himself
publicly.
It
just
seems
like
there's
some
missing
pieces
here
that
aren't
really
conveyed
the
way
they
should
have
been
in
this
document.
So
I'm
hoping
you
will
give
him
that
opportunity.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
mike
next,
we've
got
daisy
cheddar.
H
Hi,
all
last
week's
city
council
meeting
was
atrocious
to
watch
due
to
the
racist
and
unprofessional
treatment
of
clerk
reed
by
both
mayor
hagerty
and
alderman
wilson.
The
clerk's
policy
related
to
releasing
epd
use
of
force.
Complaints
is
in
line
with
the
law
and
the
public
interest
of
evanstonians
who
democratically
elected
him
mayor
tried
to
sabotage
both
the
character
of
reid
and
the
legality
of
this
policy,
which
is
outlined
in
the
responsibilities
and
duties
of
evanston's
city
clerk.
H
In
addition,
his
plan
is
legally
verified
by
matt
topic,
one
of
the
leading
attorneys
in
illinois,
who
is
also
responsible
for
the
release
of
the
laquan
mcdonald
tapes.
In
addition,
alderman
wilson's
attacks
of
the
city,
clerk's
hiring
practices
were
extremely
unprofessional
and
rude.
I
am
truly
embarrassed
to
be
from
a
city
where
a
white,
alderman
and
mayor
think
it's
okay
to
treat
a
black
democratically
elected
official
with
the
disrespect
founded
on
unbased
claims
that
you
guys
showed
last
week.
In
addition
to
the
comments,
sean
brought
up
only
further
articulate
the
racism.
A
A
C
C
A
Hi
all
right
that
was
rm1
the
minutes
past
10.
To
we're
now
going
to
move
to
items
for
discussion.
A
We've
got
r1
alderman
rainey.
Could
you
move
arlene.
J
R1,
let's
see
what
is
that
one
nominate,
an
alderman
for
the
911
emergency
telephone
systems
board.
Our
staff
is
looking
for
a
nomination
from
the
rules
committee
to
appoint
an
alderman
to
the
911
telephone
emergency
services
board.
I
move
that
we
do
this.
K
L
I
want
to
start
with
the
question
and
I
probably
skipped
over
in
the
packet.
Can
you
or
someone
who
has
served
on
that
committee
talked
about
when
the
meetings
are
and
how
meetings
frequency
and
time
I'm
interested,
because
I've
never
served
on
that
committee.
So
I
just
want
to
hear
a
little
bit
more.
L
A
D
Yes,
hi
hi,
alderman
braithwaite,
I
am
the
member
of
the
city
council,
that's
stepping
down
from
the
911
committee
as
a
time
constraints,
but
it's
it's
not
overly
burdensome
at
all.
It
meets
quarterly
if
necessary.
I
think
it's
an
interesting
committee
to
be
on,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
technology
changes
that
we're
going
through
right
in
order
to
bring
us
all.
D
You
know
all
of
our
systems
to
be
connected.
It's
it's
not
a
it's!
Not
it's!
Not
it's
a
very
light
load,
I
would
say
a
very
light
load
to
be
a
member
of
the
city
of
the
committee,
but
it
is
interesting
so
yeah.
D
Nevertheless,
given
all
of
the
other
thing
committees
that
I
serve
on,
I
have
I'm
leaving
it
because
I
do
another
evening
remarkable
to
be
free,
so.
D
J
I
served
on
the
911
committee
before
it
was
established
and
before
there
was
a
911
line
for
the
city,
and
it
was
an
amazing
experience
and
I
was
part
of
the
team
that
helped
draw
up
the
specifications
for
making
the
calls-
and
I
went
around
to
many
many
communities
that
either
had
a
911
system
or
we're
thinking
about
it,
and
I
think
now
would
be
a
fascinating
time
to
be
on
the
committee
and
I
would
encourage
alderman
greathway
because
of
all
the
changes
that
are
being
demanded
of
us
and
aldrin
ravel.
J
J
Does
anybody
know
where
my
dog
is
to
there's
a
person
getting
ready
to
kill
me
so
we're
going
to
have
to?
If,
from
what
I
read
on
the
human
services
committee
have
to
find
a
way
to
distinguish
between
the
kind
of
calls
the
911
committee,
the
911
operators
are
hearing,
and
I
I
find
that
a
fascinating
thing
to
for
them
to
distinguish
between.
Who
should
what?
What
calls
should
we
send
down
a
police
officer
on
and
what
calls
should?
J
We
not,
and
I
think
the
heroes
of
this
community
are
the
911
officers
who
are
taking
those
calls.
It
is
a
tremendous
responsibility
and,
if
you've
never
sat
regardless
of
what
committees
you're
on,
if
you've
never
sat
in
the
911
dispatch
center,
you
need
to
do
that
and
hear
what
goes
on
in
there
and
see
the
videos
and
who's
watching
what
and
what's
going
on
in
this
town.
It's
an
amazing
experience
and
I
encourage
you
peter
to
join
that
committee.
I
nominate
peter
greatly.
E
K
Thank
you
so
autumn
and
rainey's
comments
were
helpful.
I
heard
aldermen
win
mostly
talk
about
like
operations
and
technology,
so
I
would
be
interested
if
there
is
discussion
on
as
ottoman
rainey
said,
the
types
of
calls
that
are
coming
in
I've
been
in
the
9-1-1
center
and
I've
seen
how
awesome
it
is,
but
especially
right
now
as
we're
looking
at
defunding
in
ways
that
we
can
maybe
have
other
services
to
respond
to
various
9-1-1
cause.
K
D
I
am
one
of
two
aldermen
who
who
are
on
the
committee
alderman
suffered
in
is
the
other
alderman.
That's
part
of
the
committee.
No
right
now
alderman
recommends
the
two
years
I've
served
on
it
the
three
years
I've
served
on
it.
Mostly
it's
been
on
the
the
technology
side
in
terms
of
how
we
are
going
about
updating
our
technology
and
ensuring
that
we
are
complying
with
the
latest
standards
for
the
state
of
illinois.
D
So
we
have
not
discussed
the
types
of
calls
so
alderman
rainey
was
on
the
committee
with
when
it
was
the
formation
of
of
earlier
than
I
was,
and
so
it
had
a
somewhat
different
at
that
time,
but
alderman
suffered
and
can
share
too.
M
Something
so
it's
a
committee
that
meets
quarterly
generally
discussions,
technology
under
the
direction
of
perry,
polinski
and
looking
you
got
about
a
50
50
chance
that
a
meeting
will
be
canceled
with
plenty.
M
So
if
anybody's
available
four
thursdays
a
year
and
flexible,
I
encourage
you
to
participate
in
this
committee.
K
M
A
All
right
I
mean
on
our
agenda.
We
only
had
one,
but
I
think
we
could.
Probably
somebody
tells
me
or
kelly
kelly
gandersky
thinks
on
here
tells
me
we
can't
just
nominate
both
of
you
tonight.
A
Nick
cummins
is
with
us
from
the
law
department
nick.
Is
there
any
problem
with
us,
just
nominating
both
albany
russians
and
braithwaite
tonight,
and
accepting
alderman
sufferings
stepping
down
from
the
committee.
N
Yeah,
if
the
one
of
the
aldermen
would
be
filling
in
for
the
remainder
of
his
term,
if
his
term
is
a
as
a
specific
time,
so
one
of
them
will
be
filling
in
the
remainder
of
his
term,
while
the
other
will
be
fulfilling
a
full
term
that
all
of
our
women
is
vacated.
E
D
So
mayor,
I
nominate
alderman
rue
simmons,
if
that's
appropriate,
to
to
step
in
and
fulfill
the
remainder
of
alderman
supperton's
term.
A
All
right
somebody
want
to
nominate
you
all
right,
all
right,
so
peter's
been
okay,
let's
go
ahead.
We've
got
two
nominees,
then
oldham
anderson,
simmons
and
alderman
braithwaite.
This
is
for
the
911
emergency
telephone
system
board.
Dark
you
please
take
the
role.
H
J
O
A
All
right
10
to
zero
votes,
alderman,
braithwaite
and
elementary
siemens,
our
new
members.
Now
the
911.
I
A
I
Hi
mayor,
this
is
kimberly
just
to
remind
our
our
elected
officials.
We
are
still
looking
for
a
vacant
position
on
that
committee,
so
they
know
of
anyone
who
might
be
interested
in
applying
for
that
that
role.
We
would
greatly
appreciate
individuals
applying
because
we
still
have
a
resident
vacancy.
A
A
resident
vacancy
on
9-1-1
all
right
excellent.
Thank
you
for
letting
us
know
that
kimberly
and
congratulations
the
two
new
aldermen
on
there.
Let's
see
alderman
rainy,
could
you
move
for
discussion
r2.
J
R2,
I'm
off
the
agenda
right
now,
r2
is
proposed.
Compensation
for
the
11
elected
officials
of
the
city
of
evanston
staff
is
looking
for
directions
from
the
city
council.
Regarding
compensation
committee
report,
I
move
approval
and
it
should
be
pointed
out
that
this
is
for
the
council
and
mayor
and
city
clerk
that
gets
elected
in
the
april
election.
Not
for
this
current
sitting
moment-
and
this
is.
J
A
Is
that
a
second
alderman
by
the
way?
Yes?
Okay,
all
right,
so
this
is
items
opened
up
for
discussion,
so
alderman
excuse
me
kimberly
richardson,
were
you
the
lea?
You
were
the
liaison
to
this
compensation
committee.
A
You
want
to
just
do
you
want
it
just
for
the
viewers
and
folks
at
home
that
didn't
read
the
packet,
just
explain
what
the
recommendations
were.
A
I
Sure
mayor,
let
me
let
me
just
give
one
second,
yes,
oh
alderman
rainey,
you
said
something:
no,
I'm.
I
No,
I
have
it,
I
have
it
sorry,
I
just
haven't
looked
at
it
in
quite
a
couple
weeks
so
mayor.
How
are
you
members
of
the
commission
or
members
of
the
growth
committee?
So
again,
there
was
a
conversation
around
compensation
committee
met
for
several
weeks
to
go
over
what
they
would
like
to
see
moving
forward
as
a
recommendation
to
the
packet
compensation
package
for
the
city
council,
who
will
be
elected
in
2021
they're.
I
Staying
in
the
compensation
committee
which
are
made
up
of
residents
made
this
recommendation
that
in
2021
and
2022
there
should
be
no
increase,
it
should
remain
at
the
same
rate.
It
is
of
today
and
compensation
for
years
to
2023
and
2024
would
increase
at
the
same
percentage
rate
as
a
non-union
employee
of
the
city.
I
A
I
think
thank
you
kimberly,
so
the
big,
so
the
big
change
is
right
now,
any
any
of
us,
depending
upon
our
life
situation,
can
either
get
a
single
health
insurance
plan
or
could
get
a
family
plan.
Obviously,
the
family
plan
cost
the
city
more
than
a
single
plan.
There's
been
concern
expressed
to
the
committee
and
just
in
general
that
that
means
that
some
aldermen,
if
you
factor
in
the
cost
of
health
insurance,
are
compensated
greater
than
others
who
may
just
have
a
single
a
single
plan.
A
So
what
the
committee
was
trying
to
do
in
the
report
that
they
issued
in
the
recommendation
issued
was
treating
all
you
know:
alderman
mayor
clerk,
the
same
in
terms
of
health
insurance
and
saying
everybody
gets
a
single
plan
and
if
you
want
to
upgrade
because
you
have
a
family
or
you
have
a
spouse,
you
can
do
that,
but
it's
at
your
own
expense.
A
So
this
is
open
for
for
discussion
ultimate
in
flemming.
P
I
have
two
questions
kimberly
hope
you
can
answer
this
one.
So,
regarding
the
health
insurance
plan,
how
do
we
treat
all
of
our
other
staff
members?
So
if
I'm
you
know
police
fire
or
whatever-
and
I
have
you
know
only
myself-
maybe
on
the
plan
versus
my
counterparts,
who
has
you
know
three
or
four
children
do
we
do
they
pay
the
same
way
for
the
health
insurance.
I
No
so
that
it's
tiered,
based
on
being
single
one,
our
single
plus
one
or
family,
and
so
it
depends
on
what
plan
you
ask
for.
So
we
right
now
currently
have
three
plans,
so
you
have
hmo,
which
of
course
is
the
most
cheapest
plan,
and
then
you
have
ppo
one
and
ppo
advantage.
I
I
believe
I
have
to
pull,
but
it's
three
different
plans
and
for
each
plan
there's
tier
payments
so
depending
on
which
plan
you
choose
and
which,
which
family
or
single
or
single
plus
one
you
select,
then
your
rate
will
be
that
amount
that
you
will
pay,
but
we
all
pay
the
same
amount
as
to
the
percentage
of
that
premium.
P
So
we
as
council
are
in
the
same
plan,
tier
whatever
we
choose
as
the
rest
of
our
staff.
Correct.
Currently,
that's
correct,
okay,
so
my
issue
with
this
and
it's
you
know
the
pay
is
what
it
is.
I
think,
if
I
remember
correctly,
this
was
brought
up
last
time
when
I
was
thinking
of
being
a
candidate,
is
the
job
is
very
demanding,
so
I
realize
we're
all
here
part-time.
I
realize
everyone's
doing
this
for
the
love
of
the
job,
not
for
the
paycheck,
because
it
is
very
smart.
P
P
That
said,
the
job
is
already
probably
not
attractive
to
many
people
given
the
low
salary
and
that's
a
huge
issue
when
we
think
about
trying
to
be
representative
and
then,
if
you
think
of
the
benefits
being,
you
know,
according
to
this
new
plan,
more
expensive,
basically
for
someone
who
has
a
family
that
they
want
to
put
on
the
coverage,
I
think
we're
just
essentially
here
limiting
the
number
of
people
who
we're
going
to
see,
apply
for
this
or
run
for
this
position,
because
the
benefits
might
be
really
a
make
or
break
for
someone.
P
I
take
the
city
benefit,
but
I
could
just
easily
take
my
husband's
benefits
his
job.
But
if
we're
looking
at
maybe
a
single
parent
or
some
other
configuration,
it
might
actually
be
less
expensive
for
them
to.
You
know,
take
the
city
benefits,
which
is
something
they
will
consider
when
they're
looking
at
the
salary
for
this
job
as
well.
I
know
we've
had
some
people
over
the
years
come
and
say
we're
paid
too
much,
but
I
also
would
probably
guess
that
some
of
those
people
feel
like
we're
not
doing
enough.
P
So
I'm
not
really
sure
where
the
citizen
base
would
like
us
to
fall,
but
I
am
concerned
about
what
this
does
for
others,
who
really
haven't
having
the
option
to
have
pretty
affordable
benefits
and
they
and
you
are
paying
in
some.
So
I
make
that
clear.
I
have
a
husband
and
three
kids
on
the
benefit
plan.
I
am
paying
in
some
it's
not
as
if
my
benefits
are
free,
but
taking
that
away.
P
I
think
we
really
just
look
at
limiting
the
representatives
that
we
might
have
run
for
city
council
and
that
really
concerns
me
and
then
also
it
doesn't
fall
in
line
with
how
we
treat
any
other
staff.
So
I
understand
the
idea
of
having
this
be
an
equity
issue
and
us
kind
of
making
the
same
and
me
not
necessarily
making
more
because
I
have
family
benefits,
but
it's
not
the
way
we
treat
any
other
member
of
our
staff.
P
A
What
aldermen,
rainy
and
then
break
right.
J
Well,
I
was
the
person
who
brought
up
the
equity
issue
and
there
is
no
way
you
can
look
at
the
compensation
of
aldermen
when
you
include
benefits
as
a
compensation
and
see
that
some
aldermen
are
receiving
17
dollars
a
year
more
than
other
aldermen,
and
I
raised
that
issue
and
I
found
it
very
unfair
and
we
all
do.
We
all
work
our
fingers
to
the
bone,
and
I
don't
care
what
anybody
says
in
my
world.
This
is
not
a
part-time
job,
but
that
doesn't
matter.
We
are
different
from
city
employees.
J
We
are
elected
officials
and
our
the
legislator
legislature
determines
our
salary,
they
they
determine
how
we're
paid,
and
they
say
that
our
pay
is
determined
for
four
years
by
this
recommending
body
to
the
council.
That's
that's
how
the
thing
goes,
so
I
begged
the
the
compensation
committee
not
to
reduce
the
family,
the
family
benefit.
I
I
said:
that's
not
why
I'm
here?
J
Just
give
us
a
little
more
to
make
us
not
feel
like
we're
getting
seventeen
thousand
dollars
less
than
many
of
you.
That
would
be
the
way
to
make
it
equitable
or
to
give
us
all
a
little
raise,
and
you
know
say
that
you
can
do
whatever
you
want
with
the
money.
Instead,
they
pulled
everybody
down,
and
I
found
that
very
unfortunate,
and
just
so
you
all
know,
the
compensation
committee
did
not
think
we
were
all
doing
full-time
work
or
that
it
was
a
hard
job.
J
One
person
said
on
the
committee:
oh
all
they
have
to
do
is
go
to
committee
meetings,
all
the
rest
of
that
stuff.
They
do
is
just
stuff
they
want
to
do.
They
don't
have
to
do
that.
So
we,
you
know
our
job
is
not
fully
understood
by
the
people
in
our
community,
not
all
of
them.
Some
of
them
of
course
know
especially
the
people
we
live
with.
L
Our
meetings
probably
take
up,
maybe
10
of
our
time
a
week.
It's
the
phone
calls
emails
going
to
the
grocery
store
wherever
we
shop
or
walk
in
evanston,
we're
on
the
clock.
So
to
those
who
don't
think
that
this
is
more
than
a
halftime
job.
I
am
more
than
happy
to
lend
you
my
phone
for
one
day
and
access
to
my
email
and
and
have
at
it
just
to
get
an
understanding.
L
I
I
do
think-
and
I
agree
with
with
alderman
fleming-
that
to
reduce
any
one
of
our
compensation
packet
will,
I
would
assume,
would
no
yeah.
It
will
have
an
impact
on
the
diversity
of
our
council.
You're,
basically
saying
you'd
either
have
to
be
retired
or
have
some
other
streams
of
income
to
make
up
the
difference.
L
So
I
would
agree,
we
don't
do
it
for
the
money,
but
for
the
love
of
our
city,
and
I
hope
that
my
other
peers
rejected
recommendations
and,
at
the
very
least,
keep
the
compensation
package
in
place,
and
I
would
even
put
forth
a
recommendation
if
there
was
enough
support
to
increase
the
salary
for
any
future
person
that
would
come
behind
any
one
of
us
to
make
it
equal
to
whatever
our
normal
city
staff
is
being
paid
or
compensated
during
the
next
budget
season.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
just
agreeing
with
actually
all
of
the
comments
and
thank
you,
audrey
braithwaite,
for
giving
a
bit
more
background
on
you
know.
Anyone
that
thinks
the
time
that
we
spend
in
a
meeting
is
the
time
that
we
see
aldermen.
K
So
I
know
that
it
takes
hours
just
to
prepare
to
even
be
in
a
meeting
and
the
amount
of
follow-up
so
to
reduce
the
overall
compensation
package
to
alderman
fleming's
point
a
point
that
I
have
made
since
I've
been
here
that
we
will
have
a
council
that
will
not
reflect
the
community
and
that's
why
mayor
haggerty.
K
I
am
really
kind
of
anal
about
the
committee
and
commission
appointments,
because
even
on
this
committee
from
what
I
believe
you
know
you
have,
you
know
three
members
at
large
that
have
six
figure,
incomes
and
partners
at
home
and
access
to
other
ways
to
get
benefits
for
their
families.
And
so,
when
you
have
those
perspectives
weighing
in
or
making
policy
recommendations,
it's
short-sighted.
K
So
I
think
that
we
should
keep
and-
and
I
for
one
am
like
ottoman
rainey-
I'm
single
had
a
household.
I
only
took
coverage
for
myself
and
no
one
else
in
my
family,
not
my
children,
so
I
didn't
get
the
additional
17
000,
but
I
certainly
would
want
to
see
an
opportunity
for
lower
and
moderate
income,
single
parents
and
everyone
in
this
community.
That
has
something
that
they
can
share
on
this
city
council.
Allow
them
an
opportunity,
because
it's
certainly
not
not
a
living
wage.
K
If
you're
running
for
alderman,
you
definitely
are
going
to
have
to
have
a
job.
In
addition
to
this
to
be
able
to
sustain
your
family,
so
my
hope
is
that
the
insurance
package
stays
as
it
is,
is
definitely
an
asset
and
then
just
over
I
just
don't
understand.
I
mean
I
get
that
it's
comparable
to
other
cities,
but
even
the
fact
that
you
know
the
aldermen
are
the
policy
makers
and
you
know
have
committees.
K
I've
lost
count
of
how
many
committees
that
I've
served
on
and
shared
and
and
other
services
that
we
do
in
the
community.
The
mayor
makes
more
the
city
clerk
has
a
living
wage
and
more
benefits
like
all
of
it.
We
don't
have
access
to
a
personal
staff
person.
We
don't
have
access
to
a
working
space
or
office.
You
know
we
have
all
these
limitations
and
then
for
the
alderman
to
be
reduced
down
to
the
absolute
bottom
of
the
pay
scale
and
and
to
have
the
responsibility
to
manage
and
leave
the
city.
K
Just
the
whole
sort
of
government
structure
doesn't
make
that
much
sense
to
me.
So
I
just
want
to
say.
I
hope
that
we
can
support
keeping
the
insurance
and
I
would
be
in
support
of
increasing
compensation
as
well.
A
Thank
you,
alderman
alderman,
fisk
and
then
alderman
wilson.
O
E
O
I
I
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of
one
point
that
the
compensation
committee
did
bring
up,
and
that
is
to
to
restate
that
this
position
has
always
been
a
position
of
public
service,
not
a
job,
not
not
viewed
as
a
job,
but
viewed
as
the
a
way
for
people
who
are
serving
as
elected
officials
to
give
back
to
the
community,
with
the
exception,
of
course,
of
the
city
clerk
who
is
getting
up
a
living
wage.
He
might
not
agree
with
that,
but
it
is
a
living
wage.
O
As
far
as
our
structure
is
concerned,
I
I
think,
especially
in
these
times
it's
important
to
remind
people
that
we
are
public
servants
that
we're
not
doing
this
for
the
money
we're
not,
even
though
I
absolutely
agree
with
everyone.
This
is
a
full-time
job.
There's
no
question
about
it.
O
If
you
do
this
job
correctly
and
you're
looking
out
for
the
best
interests
of
your
award,
you
can
be
working
absolutely
full
time
and
on
weekends
and
evenings
and
at
all
other
times.
So
again,
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
public
service,
and
I
I
support
keeping
things
the
same.
I
am
not
interested
in
raising
the
salary
or
benefits
for
for
us.
O
I
do
think
it's
fine
to
keep
the
health
insurance
the
way
it
is.
I
think
that's
that's
fair
to
everyone.
B
Thank
you
and
I
think
probably
most
of
the
points
have
been
covered.
I
appreciate
those
comments
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
calls
I'm
sure
we
all
get,
but
I
get
all
I
have
to
call
from
people
who
you
know
want
to
speak
to
my
assistant
or
want
to
come
to
my
office
and
see
my
staff
and,
of
course
we
have
no
office.
We
have
staff,
and
you
know
the
city
phone
number
goes
to
this
thing
right
here.
So
that's
the
office.
B
I
would
like
to
see
you
know
in
it
I'll
just
be
totally
transparent.
I
have
the
family
coverage
as
well.
I'd
like
to
see
that
remain
the
same,
and
I
think
the
generally
the
compensation
should
remain
the
same.
B
I
am
open
to
the
idea,
though,
if,
if
an
alderman
is
not
choosing
the
family
coverage
for
some
additional
stipend,
because
the
city
is
otherwise
saving
a
significant
amount
of
money,
not
by
not
paying
for
that
family
coverage,
so
that's
I
guess
my
proffer
is
if
we
generally
keep
it
the
same,
but
consider
a
an
additional
stipend.
If
one
chooses
not
to
take
family
coverage.
L
A
Correct
but
I
think
everything.
A
If
there's
a
general
consensus
of
this
group
that
you'd
like
to
go
back
to
what
alderman
rainey
had
suggested,
and
then
that
needs
to
be
sort
of
felt
here
that
there's
a
general
consensus
and
then
staff
will
write
that
up
and
bring
that
to
us.
So
let's
go
to
ultimate:
let's
go
to
alderman
win
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
that.
Can
I.
L
I
guess
I
ask
up
on
the
subject:
alderman
win,
my
apologies.
Do
you
mind
if
I
ask
a
follow-up
question
to
alderman
wilson's
statement?
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
courtesy
so
alderman
wilson.
I
guess
if
we
were
to
play
this
out
if
there
was
an
alderman
for
whatever
reason
who
chose
not
to
to
accept
any
insurance
benefit,
how
would
that
play
out
in
your
mind
or
almond
rainey,
since
you're
in
agreeance,
on
the
subject
matter.
B
So
my
I
guess
my
answer.
That
is,
I
think
that
the
additional
stipend
would
only
come
into
play
for
someone
who
chose
no
family
coverage,
because
it's
two
different
things:
there's
the
individual
coverage
and
if
you're
a
human
being
who's
elected,
you
know,
then
you
can
get
that
benefit.
That's
something
that's
offered
to
you,
but
the
family
coverage
is
something
in
addition
to
that.
B
B
L
A
D
No,
no,
I
I'd
like
to
hear
what
alderman
rainey's
response
is
too
yeah.
J
It
has
never
been
my
thinking
when
I
made
the
recommendation
to
the
compensation
committee
that
those
who
take
single
coverage,
because
they
are
literally
being
discriminated
because
they
don't
have
a
family,
that
the
17
thousand
dollars
be
provided
as
a
stipend.
My
concern
is
that
something
be
considered.
J
You
know
some
figure,
but
I'm
I'm
not
looking
for
that
entire
amount,
but
some
kind
of
acknowledgement
that
we
are
not
taking
family
coverage
because
and
the
only
reason
we're
not
mind.
You
is
because
we're
either
not
married,
we
don't
have
children
or
we
we
don't
have
a
spouse.
I
mean
because
we're
single
that's,
why
we're
not
getting
that
family
coverage?
That's
why
so
that
that
is
that.
That
is
an
unfair
advantage
for
those
who
have
a
family
and
that
it
shouldn't
be
that
way.
J
A
All
right,
alderwood.
D
Well,
I
I
think
that's
an
interesting
idea
that
alderman
wilson
raised.
I
I
agree
with
a
number
of
the
comments
here.
I
I
but
I
don't.
I
remember
any
with
all
due
respect.
I
don't
see
that
this
is
uneven.
It's
a
benefit
and
benefits
are
not
always
calculated
in
dollars.
I
mean
it
means
that
actually,
everyone
who
wants
to
have
health
insurance
who's
on
the
city
council
has
access
to
health
insurance,
no
matter
what
size
family
you
come
from,
so
and
in
my
mind
it's
not
on
equal
treatment.
D
It
actually
is
equal
treatment,
because
everyone
has
access
to
the
health
insurance
that
they
might
need.
So,
but
that's
I
I
do
support
a
stipend,
because
someone
who
is
just
using
single
coverage
is
saving
the
city
some
money,
so
I
would
support
that,
but
I
I
also
wanted
to
really
emphasize
that
I
completely
agree
with
alderman
fleming
and
alvin
ruse
simmons
that
I
don't
think.
D
I
think
that
we
would
end
up
with
a
city
council
that
looks
actually
a
lot
like
oak
park,
which
is
almost
all
retirees
and
some
other
communities
like
that.
D
Where
people
have
it's
really
critically
important
that
we
continue
to
have
a
spectrum
of
ages
and
people
who
have
children
in
our
schools
as
and
experiences
on
the
city
council,
and
it
is,
it
is
not
a
part-time
job
and
I
think
an
awful
lot
of
people
who
do
know
us
know
that
that's
the
case,
because
when
they
call
you
on
a
sunday
at
you
know
one
in
the
afternoon
and
you
pick
up
the
phone
they
say.
D
Oh,
I
thought
I
was
going
to
go
to
your
voicemail
and
or
as
aldrin
wilson.
I
have
been.
I've
been
addressed
as
my
staff
more
times
than
I
can
count,
and
I've
been
asked
if
my
staff
can
forward
me
all
of
the
information
about
this
or
that
we
all
know
that,
and
so
I,
but
I
do-
I
look
at
it
this
way
in
the
sense
that
you
know
the
job
is,
is
much
bigger
than
part
time,
and
over
the
years
we've
had
many
council
members
who
are
sole
proprietors
either
they're.
D
You
know
they
are
social,
sole
proprietors
as
a
law
in
in
law
practice
or
their
own
business,
and
so
they
are
providing
frequently
their
own
health
insurance
and
in
order
for
them
to
provide
the
health
insurance
that
they
would
need
for
their
family
under.
If
they
had
to
pay
the
extra
they
can't
do
the
job
as
well
as
as
any
other
alderman.
So
who
who
doesn't
have
that
need.
So
I
do
think
this
keeps
the
playing
field
level.
D
But
I
agree
with
all
training
that
I
think
a
stipend
would
be
appropriate
because
anyone
who
opts
in
that
direction
is
saving
the
city
money.
But
we
need
to
make
sure
our
council
stays
as
as
broadly
encompassing
of
the
community
as
possible.
J
I
am
one
thousand
percent
in
favor
of
aldermen
maintaining
their
family
coverage.
I
was
shocked
when
the
compensation
committee
took
it
away,
and
I
argued
up
to
the
last
point
in
the
last
meeting
that
it
should
happen.
So
I
agree
with
you
what
I
am
saying
should
not
in
any
way
take
away
from
you.
I
am
just
saying
you
cannot
look
at
that
benefit
and
not
say
that
extra
17,
000
or
fourteen
thousand
in
some
cases
is
not
additional
compensation,
because
if
you
were
not
getting
it,
you
would
have
to
be
going
into
your
pocket.
J
K
Really
nothing
new,
but
I
mean
ottoman
to
augment
randy's
point
like
we
have
to
look
at
it.
I
get
ottoman
when
that
it
is
a
benefit,
but
it
certainly
is
compensation
because,
as
ottoman
fleming's
that
she
could
easily
take
her
husband's
package
now
that
would
you
know
not
taking
her
husband's
package,
possibly
he
would
be
paying
into
it.
So
that's
still
more
money
into
their
household,
so
it
is
compensation
and
it
seems
like
we
have
the
support
to
give
staff
direction
that
we
at
least
keep
family
coverage.
K
So
with
that
just
want
to
say.
I
hope
that
we
move
forward
with
that
for
future
candidates.
D
L
Yeah-
and
that
was
all
I
was
going
to
say,
mr
mayor-
I
wanted
to
by
not
say
that
we
have
the
consensus
to
keep
the
family
insurance
and
alden
rainey.
I
think
you
have
more
support
this
going
into
the
next
term
than
you
ever
had.
So
I
hope
that
if
we
have
to
take
it
to
vote,
then
it
will
pass.
I
think
it's
a
great
night.
J
D
And
alderman
rainey
and
I
agree
with
you-
I
think
we
should
have
staff
come
up
with
the
number
and
yeah
senator.
I
said.
J
K
D
I
So
we're
speaking
to
the
benefit,
but
as
to
the
pay
increase,
are
we
leaving
it,
as
is
as
they
have?
We
have?
They
recommend
as
the
zero
for
the
first
two
years
and
then
the
same
increase
gwi
to
the
last
two
years.
A
A
Q
Yeah,
I
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
a
few
points.
I
attended,
along
with
alderman
rainey,
a
few
of
the
compensation
committee
meetings
and
I
also
advocated
for
an
increase
in
the
pay
for
the
aldermen,
because
as
alderman
russ,
simmons
and
alderman
braithwaite
and
fleming
and
others
mentioned
that
you
know
we
want
and
aldermen
win
as
well.
Q
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
create
a
council
that
is
as
diverse
as
possible,
diverse,
economically
racially,
whatever
else
you'll
have,
and
so
I
think
by
making
sure
that
we
compensate
aldermen
with
enough
to
ensure
that
is
key
to
that.
Q
Q
On
various
committees,
that's
just
just
an
idea
based
on
some
records
that
we
have
in
the
city,
but
the
the
main
point
I
want
to
make
here
is
that
I
do
not
as
far
as
process
goes,
I
believe
that
you
know
that
staff
shouldn't
be
making
the
recommendations,
I
think,
is
as
far
as
process.
I
think
the
best
process
would
be
that
it
goes
back
to
that
committee
with
the
recommendations
from
council
that
committee
directs
and
then
brings
it
back
to
council
that
way.
It's
the
residents
that
elect
us
choosing.
Q
You
know
the
salaries
for
the
elected
officials
as
opposed
to
staff
who
are
directly
accountable
to
to
us.
The
elected
officials.
A
L
Not
much
sad,
I
do
think
the
committee's
work
is
done.
I
don't
have
a
problem
and
I'll
I'll
speak
for
the
group.
We
work
very
hard.
The
people
who
understand
what
we
do
will
be
the
first
to
say.
I
would
never
do
that
for
what
you
guys
get
paid
and
I
think
it's
the
critics
and
those
who
don't
walk
in
our
shoes
who
just
have
no
idea.
So
I
don't
have
a
problem
telling
the
city
council
the
evanstons
of
ever
presidents.
L
I
work
very
hard
in
this
position
because
I
love
this
town
and
I
would
support
staff
coming
back
with
a
recommendation
to
increase
the
current
salary
of
which
I'll
speak.
I
think
what
is
it
maybe
700
a
month
is
when
I
get
paid
for
the
hours
I'll
do
the
math,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
works
out
to
be
in
terms
of
the
hourly
rates
but
pointing
I
think,
if
we
move
into
next
budget,
my
recommendation
would
be
to
have
the
percentage
of
the
you
want
to
call
it
salary.
L
L
I
We've
not
been
zero,
so
the
number
for
the
current
year
is,
I
want
to
say
it
was
three
point
something
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
I'll
pull
it
up.
L
Right,
I
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
That's
what
I
was
looking
for
kim.
So
whatever
the
use
of
the
gwi
is
that
the
right
terminology
that
it's
consistent
with
that
is
what
I
would
propose
to
the
make
a
referral
to
our
staff.
So
if
it's
zero
for
staff,
then
it's
zero.
If
it
goes
up,
it
goes
up.
I
I
There
is
no
increases,
so
city
council
did
not
have
an
increase
since
their
last
city,
since
the
last
compensation
recommendation
45
years
ago
is
or
now
four
years
ago,
so
the
dollar
amount
typically
is
typically
you're
voting
and
getting
a
dollar
amount
and
saying
this
is
how
much
we're
gonna
you
know,
provide
city
council,
it's
not.
It's,
never
increasing.
K
So
this
isn't
compensation,
but
I
guess
it
goes
into
the
expense
of
the
automatic
budget,
and
this
is
a
referral
just
in
terms
of
our
ability
to
even
communicate
with
our
neighbors.
I
think
we
only
get
the
one
postcard
a
year.
I
would
like
to
see
if
that
budget
could
be
increased,
that
we
could
get
at
least
one
quarterly.
So
I
only
kind
of
found
out
about
that
late
in
the
game,
but
particularly
having
wards
that
have
large
senior
populations
like
I
do
that
one
mailing
could
be
really
valuable.
K
So
I
use
my
one
this
year
for
covet
and
census
combined,
but
there
are
other
messages
throughout
the
year
that
are
important.
So
if
we
could
increase
that
budget,
I
think
that
would
be
a
referral
a
separate
from
this,
but
I
just
want
to
have
staff.
L
A
Support
that
all
right,
so
let's
put
that
down
for
the
budget
season
and
all
of
that
alderman
wilson.
B
Thanks,
I
I
oh,
I
appreciate
having
the
staff
put
something
together.
I
do
think
that
we
should
actually
kind
of
just
take
on
that
that
calculation
on
our
own
and
not
put
the
staff
to
that
task,
so
in
other
words
sometime
between
now
and
when
we
come
back
to
to
entertain
it
at
the
council,
just
collectively
think
about
you
know
what
we
think.
B
That
number
should
be
between
whatever
it
was
say,
zero
and
I
think
14
or
17.,
so
some
number
and
there,
as
opposed
to
asking
the
staff
to
kind
of
come
up
with
that.
I
think
that's
not
totally
fair
to
them,
but
I
think
that
we
as
a
group
could
probably
fairly
come
up
with
a
number
in
there
and
work
that,
through
at
the
next
meeting
at
the
council
meeting.
A
Mr
mayor
I'll
give
you
one
second
nick,
I
I
would
like
staff
to
run
the
projections
of
it,
though,
like
what's
the
additional
cost
to
the
city.
I
mean
the
competition
sure
and
said:
if
you
do
this,
if
you
take
our
recommendation,
you're
going
to
say
440
000
over
the
next,
you
know
four
years
or
something,
and
if
we're
going
to
increase
or
put
that
stipend
in
place,
we
need
to
understand
what
the
financial
implication
is
to
the
city.
I
also
have
a.
A
I
also
have
a
question
about
whether
there
would
be
a
legal
implication
if
we
said
okay
benefits
have
a
value,
we're
going
to
give
a
stipend
to
aldermen
that
aren't
taking
the
family
plan.
Maybe
it's
not
that
complete
delta,
that
complete
difference,
but
something
else
do
we
open
the
door
then
for
employees
to
say
well?
Why
are
we
not
treated
similarly?
A
Similarly,
because
there's
many
employees
that
only
have
a
single
plan
and
others
that
have
you
know
the
family
plan,
the
same
basis
that
we're
all
talking
about
applies
to
them
too,
and
the
person
that
has
the
family
plan
at
the
end
of
the
day
is
getting
more
compensation,
but
we
don't
treat
them.
We
don't.
A
E
N
J
Well,
first
of
all,
some
employees
getting
the
single
plan
or
making
a
hundred
thousand
plus
a
year
plus
they're
eligible
for
pension,
plus
they
get
paid
vacations,
six
days,
etc,
etc.
So
I
doubt
I
would
hope
they
wouldn't
nitpick
on
aldermen
who
are
making
15
000..
Secondly,
those
of
us
who
are
single
may
not
be
re-elected
and
you
may
have
another
two
people
making
getting
the
thirty
thousand
dollar
benefit
package,
so
we're
talking
about
next
year,
we're
not
talking
about
this
year.
J
So
I
I
don't
think
you
should
worry
about
two
possible
benefits
of
maybe
5
000
a
year
when
you
might
have
two
more
aldermen
who
are
receiving
full
benefits
for
family
and
the
rate
of
30.
I
think
it
comes
out
to
32
000
a
year,
so.
L
What
we
do
in
in
our
other
part-time
staff-
I
don't
know
of
any
part-time
staff-
that's
salary,
so
that
would,
if
anyone
wanted
to
correct
me,
I
would
love
to
get
that
insight,
but
I
think
for
our
average
part-time
staff
in
most
part-time
paid,
they're
paid
hourly
and
whereas
with
us
I
mean
start
the
meeting
here
tonight
and
track
me
for
the
rest
of
the
week.
I'm
gonna
go
over.
L
You
know
those
parts
are
time
hours
and
I'm
not
going
to
see
any
compensation
or
any
any
other,
my
peers.
So
I
don't
know
if,
if
now
is
the
time
to
finish,
hashing
out
that
conversation
or
if
you
want
to
come
back
to
it
during
budget
season,
mr
mayor
alderman
wilson,
but
I
do
think
it's
something
that's
important
to
have,
particularly
because
just
looking
at
the
diversity
now
on
the
city
council.
This
is
the
best
that
I've
seen
in
10
years,
and
I
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like
down
the
line.
L
When
you
take
into
consideration
the
impact
that
covet
has
had
on
all
of
our
whole
households
across
town,
let
alone
the
people
of
color.
So
I
think
it's
definitely
not
enough
to
raise
a
family.
I
think
we
all
can
agree
on
that
if
you're,
the
sole
proprietor,
but
anything
that
we
can
do
and
we
do
work
long
hours
and
we're
called
to
know
a
lot
about
our
local
government.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
prioritize
that,
especially
in
this
upcoming
election
season,.
K
This
is
another
probably
budget
discussion,
but
like
other
places,
the
alderman
has
a
budget
that
they
can
do
things
to
lead
and
manage
with
a
crm.
Access
to
a
crm
would
actually
be
helpful
since
we
don't
have
a
staff
and
we
have
such
high
volumes
of
call
and
actions
and
follow-up
needed.
So
I
know
early
on
coming
into
this
role.
I
asked
if
we
had
it,
sales
force
is
a
good
one.
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
particular.
K
If
we
had
access
to
an
actual
right,
I
got
it,
but
if
we,
if
we
could
get
some
sort
of
a
group
like
automatic
account
for
those
that
want
to
opt
into
using
that,
for
you
know,
because
it's
tough
to
remember
everything
follow
up
track.
What
you're
doing
we
don't
have
staff
support
like
the
mayor,
has
staff
support,
so
that
would
be
something
I
think
would
be
helpful
for
future
aldermen
to
manage
what
they're
doing
some
augment
have
more
going
on
than
others.
You
know,
there's
seasonal,
stuff,
there's
emergencies
that
come
up.
K
P
So
this,
I
guess,
goes
with
audrey
simmons
referral
kimberly.
Do
we
we
have
that,
is
it.
P
P
It's
kind
of
a
project
management
system
online,
right
yeah
for
a
few
minutes,
but-
and
I
kind
of
stumbled
upon
it-
I
think-
and
talking
to
a
staff
who
was
using
it
and
then
I
think
wally
eventually
told
me
about
it,
but
I
don't
really
utilize
it,
but
to
the
point
of
the
postcards,
I
also
was
late
in
knowing
that
that
was
even
a
thing
and
so
part
of
I
think
what
I
would
love
to
see.
P
As
a
referral
is
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
we
have
money
for
a
staff,
because
that
isn't
an
issue
I
mean
even
an
office
space.
I
think
I
I've
asked
for
this
for
mr
bokovitz
for
years
right,
like
you,
don't
meet
someone,
you
have
to
pay
for
coffee
you're
paying
for
parking.
You
know
all
those
things
to
me
to
constituent,
so
even
having
an
office
space
at
city,
hall
or
community
center
would
be
helpful,
because
that
then
it
cuts
down
on
the
cost.
You
can
do
several
things
at
one
time.
P
I
know
when
I
used
to
come
to
city
hall
more.
I
was
kind
of
walking
around
with
my
backpack
looking
for
an
unlocked
room
to
use,
so
even
having
a
space
that
we
could
use
for
some
set
time
would
be,
would
be
nice,
and
then
you
know
the
email,
so
we
get
one
email
a
month,
but
that
still
we're
communicating
a
lot
isn't
enough.
So
even
if
we
can
look
at
doing
two
emails,
a
month
would
be
helpful.
P
Just
all
the
ways
in
which
we
could
be
supported
to
do
a
better
job,
since
people
probably
make
the
assumption
we
have
access
to
all
these
things
already
and
in
terms
of
the
stipend
I'm
fine.
With
that,
I
don't
know
what
that
would
be.
So
I'm
happy
to
have
staff
for
the
compensation
committee
come
up
with
that
and
I
think,
as
admiral
rainey
said,
we
don't
know
what
the
next
council
looks
like.
P
So
it
might
be
something
we
said
in
motion
that
we
don't
even
use,
but
I
do
think
it's
worth
honoring
the
savings
that
people
are
providing
to
the
city
by
only
taking
the
single
insurance
without
analyzing
people
who
do
need
the
health
care.
P
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
you
know,
that's
something
that
I'm
fair,
I
think,
is
a
fair
compromise
and
that,
hopefully
our
citizen
base
could
understand,
given
the
amount
of
work
that
we
do
and
I
think
the
amount
of
work
is
expected
from
us
as
well
and
as
audrey
rainey
said,
I
have
the
same
concern
that
the
mayor
has
regarding
just
legality
of
all
our
other
staff,
but
I
would
hope
that
again
they
can
respect
and
understand
that
you
know
we
are
probably
the
lowest
paid
staff,
and
so
that
would
be
something
that
we
can
do
and
then
to
augment
this
point
that
she's
shaking
her
hand.
P
It
is
public
service,
and
I
and
I
do
think
we
all
know
that
whether
people
think
we
work
enough
or
not
enough.
It
definitely
is
public
service.
I
know
that
other
elected
bodies
make
no
money
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
right
or
we're
better
than
them
or
anything
like
that,
but
this
does.
This
is
public
service.
No
one
is
doing
this.
P
O
Oh,
thank
you.
Well
I
I
guess
I
feel
uncomfortable
making
making
rules
about
compensating
us
for
the
health
insurance
in
a
a
in
a
different
plan
or
a
different
strategy
than
the
than
our
employees.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
the
kimberly
if,
if
we
can
get
just
a
spreadsheet
on
on
the
on
the
compensation
for
health
again,
I
I
it's
here
somewhere.
I
just
don't
know
where
it
is,
but
I'd
like
to
take
a
look
at
that.
O
You
know
we're
not
that
special.
That's
I
mean
that's
the
thing
I
I
guess
that
we
work
really
hard
and
we
work
all
the
time
and
we
have
a
lot
of
knowledge
and-
and
we
do
it,
I
think
an
incredible
job
of
keeping
in
touch
with
our
constituents
and
trying
to
work
through
issues
and
doing
the
right
thing
and
communicating
and
all
of
that,
but
I
I
think
it's
really
important
that
at
least
to
me
it's
important
that
I
not
set
myself
above
those
my
constituents
or
the
employees
of
the
city.
O
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
say
to
another
employee.
I
expect
you
to
understand
all
because
I'm
only
making
x
number
of
dollars
a
month
that,
therefore
I
am
going
to
be
entitled
to
this.
You
know
additional
compensation.
I
I
just
don't
feel
comfortable
with
that.
So
it's
not
something
that
I
would
support.
I
I
feel
strongly
again
about
the
public
service
aspect
of
it
that
you
don't
come
into
this
with
the
expectation
of
compensation.
O
Now
I
I
am
sympathetic
or
empathetic
to
the
concept
that
maybe
we
could
encourage
more
people
to
come
in
if
there
were
if
there
were
better
compensation
or,
but
I
would
not
choose
to
do
that-
and
I
understand
that
I
don't
I
could
opt
out
of
that
if
I
wish.
So
that's
that's
okay
with
me,
but
I
I'm
I'm
just
I'm
not
feeling
that
this
is
anything
other
than
looking
unfair
and
I
don't
I
personally.
I
don't
want
to
do
that.
K
Yeah,
so
so
the
compensation
piece
and
unfair
and
like
let's,
let's
really
call
this-
what
it
is,
because
I
know
that
we
are
paid
equivalent
to
probably
a
few
dollars
an
hour.
So
it's
not
compensation.
It's
a
stipend.
K
Much
of
it
is
passed
along
to
nonprofits
in
town
when
we
go
to
their
galas
and
we
give
donations
and
we
we
pay
for
this,
and
we
we
can't
take
coffee,
and
so
it
is
really
a
stipend
that
allows
us
to
be
able
to
serve
there's
no
wealth
building
model
here,
we're
not
earning
any
money,
it's
all
mostly
being
shared
back
into
the
community
being
conscious
and
shopping
local
eating
out
at
local
restaurants.
More
than
we
normally
would
to
encourage
our
residents.
We
don't
have
a
budget
or
a
per
diem
for
that.
K
So,
if
we
were
going
to,
you
know,
look
at
maybe
not
more
compensation,
but
that's
something
that
I
meant
to
bring
up
even
a
budget
for
these
things,
since
we
can't
accept
tickets,
but
we
want
to
support
our
nonprofits.
Maybe
there
should
be
a
budget
set
aside.
K
So
you
know
you're
talking
about
compensation
and
not
being
fair
and
and
we're
not
special.
I
mean
we
certainly
are
special:
we've
been
elected
by
the
city
to
like
govern
and
create
laws
and
policy,
and
at
a
minimum
we
should
be
able
to
do
it
comfortably
and
with
a
stipend
that
allows
us
to
be
able
to
serve
in
the
way
that
the
residents
expect
us.
K
If
you're,
not
there,
then
that's
noted
and
that's
a
statement
that
you're
not
present,
and
sometimes
you
can't
be
present,
because
you
just
can't
afford
to
go
to
all
of
these
different
events.
So
I
just
want
to
be
careful
that
we
don't.
You
know,
talk
about
this
as
if
it
were
getting
over
on
the
people
based
on
the
work
that
we
do
and
the
expectations
of
the
residents
in
evanston.
L
Thank
you
I
just
very
to
thank
alderman
simmons
and
to
my
peers,
as
well
as
the
public
who
are
listening
now
and
will
replay
this
later.
This
is
a
real
conversation,
particularly
as
we
go
into
election
season
and,
depending
on
your
family
background,
who
you're
married
to
what
you
do
during
the
day,
will
impact
and
has
an
impact,
how
we
do
this
job.
L
I
have
four
kids
in
the
last
10
years
that
have
transitioned
to
college
and
when
I'm
not
working
my
full-time
job
and
my
family,
this
is
this
is
what
I
do
and
I
would
tell
you
that
I
do
it
well,
based
on
my
years
on
on
council,
and
I
do
think
if
it's
important
to
have
people
who
look
like
me
and
I
I
work
for
an
employer.
I
don't
run
my
own
business.
I
I
don't
have
a
you
know.
Family
wealth
to
draw
on
like
this
is
a
sacrifice
as
well
as
sacrifice
to
my
family.
L
So
even
with
two
family
incomes
and
four
kids,
there
are
sacrifices
that
need
to
be
made
every
single
day
that
I
show
up
every
time.
I
respond
to
an
email
or
engage
a
resident
in
in
a
city
like
gevinston,
and
I
think
we
would
all
agree
that
our
town
is
much
different
than
our
neighboring
suburbs,
based
on
the
engagement
as
well
as
the
diversity
of
issues
that
we
deal
with
from
whether
it's
preservation
parking
issues,
legal
concerns
within
the
city
or
even
violent
crimes.
L
We
all
have
to
deal
with
that
as
a
council
at
one
time
or
the
other.
So
I
know
that
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
it,
and
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
conversation.
We
have,
and
I
hope
that
the
people
who
are
thinking
about
running
hear
the
content
of
what
we're
saying
and
not
look
for
an
opportunity
to
criticize.
So.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor.
E
J
What
we
should
do
is
we
should
take
our
benefit
and
our
stipend
in
cash
and
then
be
permitted
to
buy
the
insurance
from
the
city,
and
that
would
be
forty,
seven
thousand
five
hundred
and
ninety
nine
dollars
per
person.
And
then
you
could
feel
pretty
special.
So
we
are
really
hiding
what
some
are
really
receiving
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
a
bad
thing,
but
the
fact
is,
our
constituents
really
don't
know
that
some
are
making
so
much
more
than
others.
So
the
real,
fair
thing
to
do,
which
I'm
not
advocating
I'm
just
saying
it's.
J
The
fair
thing
to
do-
is
for
all
of
us
to
be
making
47
out
being
a
salary
of
47
500
a
year,
and
let
it
go
at
that.
You
can
buy
your
family
coverage
with
that,
exactly
as
you
have
now
and
those
of
us
who
don't
have
family
cupboards,
we
just
buy
our
single
coverage
and
those
who
don't
want
to
buy
any
could
give
the
rest
to
charity
or
whatever.
But
that's
the
way
it
would
be.
Most
fair
everybody
right
across
the
board
get
exactly
the
same
amount.
J
A
N
So,
mr
mayor,
three
things:
first
in
terms
of
process
the
ordinance
requires
and
the
city
council
rules
require
that
the
compensation
committee
provide
a
report
and
recommendation
240
days
before
the
election.
That
is
next
monday.
So
there
is
not
really
time
to
sort
of
send
this
back
and
it's
up
to
the
council
at
this
point
either
to
adopt
or
reject
the
recommendation
in
the
compensation
committee.
According
to
the
city
council's
rules
and
the
ordinance.
A
Can
I
second
thing:
can
I
stop
you
right
there
for
a
second
nick
though
my
understanding
is,
this
did
become
that
that
report
did
go
to
city
council
and
the
council
accepted
it
and
then
referred
it
to
rules
committee
for
us
to
have
this
kind
of
conversation
and
figure
out
kimberly.
Is
that
not
correct
that.
N
N
N
No,
but
the
report
had
to
be
done
by
next
monday,
but
as
far
as
next
steps,
I
don't
think
there's
any
sort
of
it's
up
to
the
council
to
reconfigure
anything
at
this
point.
It's
not
really
up
to.
As
kimberley
pointed
out,
the
compensation
committee
is
dissolved,
so
I
just
wanted
to
address
that
point.
N
The
second
thing
is
all
of
what
alma
rainey
raises
is
something
that
we
at
the
law
department
would
definitely
have
to
research
and
see
if
it
would
create
a
problem
with
respect
to
how
we
compensate
everyone
as
far
as
the
city
is
concerned.
So
that
is
something
that
the
law
department
has
to
look
at.
And
thirdly,
there
was
some
discussion
that
came
up
that
was
sort
of
off
topic,
but
I
figured
it
was
appropriate
to
sort
of
remind
the
council
of
it.
N
Some
of
the
issues
that
alderman
simmons
raises
to
change
are
actually
rules
in
the
for
the
for
the
city
council,
so
I
believe
it's
rule
27.
It
sets
out
the
number
of
postcards
it's
two
a
year.
It's
28,
I
believe,
sets
out
the
technology
allowance.
So
those
are
things
that
I
believe
this
committee
would
need
to
address
at
probably
a
different
meeting
once
it's
on
the
agenda,
but
those
are
already
in
the
rules
for
the
rules
committee.
J
Great
point
of
information
for
nick
nick
we
we
provide,
I
don't
know
what
it's
called
incentive
to
employees
who
don't
take
any
insurance.
How
much
is
that
and
why
would
that
not
be
similar
to
just
not
taking
any
family
insurance.
I
I
can
speak
today,
it's
150
that
they're
given
and
it's
once
a
month.
How
often,
how.
J
Right,
so
I'm
thinking
that
this
is
more
or
less
a
modification
of
that.
In
fact,
that's
that's
exactly
what
I'm
thinking.
So,
if
we
can
give
employees
150
a
month
for
not
taking
any
insurance,
we
can
certainly
give
a
city
council
member
who
may
or
may
not
be
elected
in
next
spring
150
a
month
or
whatever
for
not
taking
the
additional
17
000
a
year.
Insurance
seems
to
me
very
comparable.
I
And
just
to
make
a
point
of
reference,
the
city
council
does
receive
stipends
that
the
city
staff
do
not
receive
such
as
the
technology
stipend.
That
goes
to
all
city
council
members.
So
you
know
so
I
don't.
I
mean
if
there's
a
stipend,
that
we
want
to
investigate
more,
that
we
should
look
into.
I
J
P
P
Let's
start
doing
this
for
the
money,
so
I
have
to
keep
saying
that
because
I'm
sure
in
evanston
now
he's
going
to
say
we
were
trying
to
you
know
die,
but
we
get
a
75.
I
believe
correct
technology
thing
right,
so
we
don't
have
an
office,
so
the
majority
of
us
are
working
at
home,
probably
under
our
internet,
that
we
already
would
have
because
we're
living
in
2020
and
then
we're
paying
for
our
telephones
that
we
may
or
may
I
have
two
phones.
P
I
have
my
city
phone
in
my
correct,
so
my
75
allowance
granted,
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
good,
doesn't
probably
cover
my
cell
phone
and
my
technology
that
I'm
using
at
home.
So
I'm
just
I'm
just
pointing
that
out
for
a
point
of
reference,
so
we
have
city
staff
who
get
a
car
allowance
and
a
cell
phone
allowance,
and
then
I
didn't
know
about
the
150
allowance.
People
are
getting
as
an
incentive
for
not
taking
insurance,
so
I'm
assuming
on
council.
If
you
don't
take
insurance,
do
you
get
the
150
allowance
as
well?
P
No
okay,
so
just
just
to
make
sure
we're
giving
a
fair,
fair
picture
to
the
public
again
public
service.
We're
not
doing
this
for
the
money,
but
there
are
things
that
the
staff
do
get.
The
council
don't
get,
and
I
guess
you
were
saying
vice
versa
in
our
technology
allowance,
but
we
would
all
say
that
that
probably
is
not
covering
the
time
and
effort
that
we
are
putting
into
this
position,
and
so
your
car
allowance
that
someone
can
get
they're
driving
all
around
town
and
doing
city
work.
P
Meanwhile
we're
putting
our
own
gas
in
our
cars,
we're
paying
for
our
own
coffee,
we're
paying
for
our
own
parking
to
do
work
in
which
our
our
citizen
base
is
looking
for
us
to
do
so.
I
just
want
to
be
really
fair
and
that
we're
giving
an
accurate
picture
to
not
say
that
we're
trying
to
get
more
that
our
staff
get,
but
there
are
different
benefits
for
different
duties
and
positions
in
the
city
of
evans.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
in
fleming,
okay,
so
to
some
sum
all
this
up,
we
are
not
going
to
move
forward
the
council.
A
The
general
consensus
on
the
council
is
not
to
move
forward
with
the
recommendations
of
the
compensation
committee
that
was
issued
in
the
report
to
at
a
minimum,
keep
it
as
is,
but
to
explore
some
sort
of
stipend
to
create
greater
equality
between
those
that
are
taking
family
health
plans
and
those
and
those
that
aren't
my
suggestion,
because
all
of
this
factors
into
the
budget
that
we
have
this
kimberly
brought
up
during
the
budget.
Conversations
in
the
council.
I
Yeah
yeah,
I
was
going
to
recommend
it
come
back
to
rules
because,
typically
this
is
something
that
our
rules
and
ordinance
have
to
be
created.
And
so
my
question
is,
it
seems,
like
there's,
still
work
to
be
done
and
do
you
want
this
to
come
back
to
rules
before
it
goes
to
the
budget.
A
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
think
either
way
we're
going
to
have
a
a
conversation
about
it,
so
I
guess
my
thought
my
thought
was:
bring
it
to
bring
it
to
council
with
them
that
with
a
memo
that
says,
you
know,
here's
here's
the
resolution
as
is,
and
if
you
want
to
put
an
amendment
to
it,
to
put
some
sort
of
stipend
onto
it,
the
council
can
then
put
the
amendment
that
evening
onto
it
and
have
that
question
there,
but.
J
A
I
don't
think
they're,
I
think
we've
already
hit
their
legislative
deadline.
N
So
to
to
all
morainey's
point,
mr
mayor,
the
only
deadline
is
for
the
compensation
committee
to
provide
the
report
to
the
city
council
and
then
it's
up
to
the
city
council
to
either
adopt
if
they're
rejected,
and
so
there
is
no
deadline
in
terms
of
when
to
pass
that
ordinance.
According
to
the
city
council
rules
and
according
to
the
city
board,.
B
B
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
oldman
wilson.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
that
robust
conversation.
We're
now
going
to
move
to
item,
and
this
is
for
discussion,
r3,
alderman
rainey.
Could
you
introduce
that
one.
J
R3,
yes,
item
r3,
in-person
city
council
meetings.
Our
staff
is
looking
for
direction
from
the
council
in
regards
to
continuing
virtually
meetings,
move
to
an
in-person
or
hybrid
meeting
model
through
the
end
of
this
year.
This
is
for
discussion.
A
Second,
second,
all
right,
so
this
is
all
for
conversation,
and
the
question
on
the
floor
is
whether
to
continue
virtual,
only
meetings
as
we're
having
due
to
the
pandemic,
whether
to
move
these
indoors
back
to
the
council,
chambers
or
some
other
location,
and
make
sure,
though,
that
we're
complying
with
all
the
public
health
directives
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
that
can
be
admitted
and
all
of
that
or
some
sort
of
hybrid
model,
not
quite
sure
what
that
would
look
like.
D
Yes,
mr
mayor,
I
I
think
that,
given
this
recent
uptick
or
surge,
if
we
want
to
call
it
that
in
protovirus
cases
that
we
should
continue
to
meet
virtually,
I
I
think
trying
to
come
up
with
well.
First
in
person
entirely
in
person,
I
think
is
really
adding
a
burden
to
the
staff.
I
think
it
just.
D
It
really
disadvantages
anybody
to
come
in
person
who
has
health
concerns
and,
and-
and
I
don't
know
what
a
hybrid
model
would
be,
but
once
again
we're
adding
extra
work
to
the
city
staff.
I
don't
think
any
of
us
want
to
continue
meeting
like
this
indefinitely,
but
I
think
the
public
has
gotten
adjusted
to
this.
I
think
one
advantage
is.
D
We
have
more
city
staff
that
can
participate
and
provide
us
extra
information
because
they
don't
have
to
come
to
the
civic
center,
for
maybe
you
know
for
an
item
that
only
might
last
40
30
minutes.
So
I
I
think,
given
the
uncertainty
with
where
the
coronavirus
is
taking
us,
that
we
should
continue
what
we're
doing
until
we
really
get
more
than
all
clear.
B
Yeah-
and
you
know,
unless
we
could
have
some
sort
of
outdoor
meetings
which
we
can't
realistically
do.
I
agree
with
alderman
when
I
just
think
I
that
we
have
to
prioritize
the
the
collective
and
community
safety
and
and
not
put
that
at
risk.
So
that's
what
I
feel
about
it
all
right.
L
L
I
think
this
is
the
best
course
of
action
until
we
get
a
green
light
to
do
otherwise.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
P
Just
for
clarity
for
people
who
are
you
know
at
home
are
going
to
catch
the
news
of
this:
can
we
just
have
city
staff
or
an
attorney
tell
us
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
governor's
order,
because
I
think
there's
been
some
questions
around
what
other
communities
are
doing.
So
if
we
decide
to
stay
virtual,
I
think
people
might
be
confused
if
other
communities
are
not
virtual,
so
it
might
be
worth
just
stating
publicly
with
that
government
orders
required.
I
Yeah,
so
in
in
preparing
for
tonight's
meeting,
looking
at
other
municipalities,
a
number
of
municipalities
who
don't
have
the
technology
have
do
it
have
been
doing
the
hybrid
model,
which
is
those
who
can
attend
in
person,
they'll
accommodate
and
then
those
who
can
do
virtual
they'll
accommodate
as
well
to
allow
for
there
would
be
a
person
at
the
facility
for
them
to
be
able
to
attend
the
the
issue
that
my
colleagues
have
mentioned
to
that
has
been
there's
a
technology
delay
and
so
for
those
who
are
in
person
they're
getting.
I
You
know
real
time,
however,
those
who
are
listening
or
participating
virtually
are
not,
and
so
that
issue
comes
disjointed
at
times
in
the
discussion
and
so
for
people
watching
from
home.
It
becomes
very
difficult
to
follow
at
times
as
to
the
governor's.
I
This
was
an
amendment,
as
stated
in
the
memorandum.
There
was
an
amendment
to
the
open
meetings
act
that
has
allowed
for
this
to
continue
under
the
governor's
emergency
declaration
of
emergency
or
the
health
depart
for
the
health
director
of
state
of
illinois.
I
What
it
does
state
in
that
we
have
to
ensure
that
one
that
an
individual
like
myself
is
at
this
location
of
the
meeting
which
I
am
currently
at,
but
also,
if
deemed
not
habitable,
due
to
whatever
concerns
like
the
civic
center,
we
can
go
virtual
without
having
to
have
a
staff
person
here
or
individual
of
the
corporate
council
at
the
civic
center.
So
right
now
we
are
recording
our
minutes
student
meetings.
I
We
record
our
meetings
we'll
continue
to
take
roll
call
as
required,
and
we
are
also
required
if
someone
wants
a
copy
of
those
meetings
regardless,
if
they're
city,
council
or
other
boards
and
commissions,
they
are
able
to
request
a
copy
of
the
meetings.
So
we
have
decided
to
post
all
meetings
online
that
are
are
occurring
so
that
people
are
able
to
view
them
if
they
weren't
able
to
attend
the
meeting.
Virtually
okay.
P
So
I
mean
I
personally,
like
the
in-person
meeting
much
better.
I
think
ottoman
wind
said
that
as
well,
but
I
I
see
the
benefits
and
and
pros
and
cons
of
each
right,
so
online
our
staff
can
come
and-
and
I
think
more
people
probably
can
participate,
they're
not
trying
to
make
the
drive
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
However,
we
still
do
have
people
in
the
community
who
you
know
don't
have
technology
can
access
technology
that
will,
and
so
we
might
be
missing
them
in
person.
P
So
I
think
it's
it's
a
little
bit
of
both.
I
do
think
for
the
overall
safety
of
everyone.
P
Probably
the
virtual
is
better
and
I
haven't
researched
this,
but
maybe
we
can
just
think
through
how
we
might
make
sure
we're
reaching
people
who
can't
you
know,
navigate
zoom
or-
and
I
don't
I
haven't
heard
from
people,
but
I
assume
that
they're
out
there
and
you
know
I
know-
we've
always
had
kind
of
a
some
older
folks
who
were
in
the
audience
every
week,
no
matter
what
the
topic
is,
and
I
don't
know
if
they're
still
participating
online
or
if
they've
had
difficulty.
A
All
right
seeing
no
more
hands
raised
or
anything,
it
seems
like
there's
general
consensus
for
the
time
being,
to
continue
to
hold
these
meetings
and
other
committee
meetings
on
a
virtual
basis
due
to
the
pandemic,
all
right,
alderman
rainey.
Can
you
move
for
discussion
park.
A
J
Okay,
our
four,
mr
mayor,
would
like
a
discussion
on
missing
executive
session
audio
recordings
and
written
minutes.
This
is
for
discussion.
A
Second,
all
right,
all
right,
so
this
is
open
for
discussion.
It's
pretty
straightforward!
A
The
council's
already
aware
of
this,
because
we've
talked
about
this
in
executive
session
before,
but
there
seem
to
be
12
executive
session
meetings
that
we've
had
where
no
audio
recordings
or
written
minutes
have
been
brought
forward
by
the
clerk
for
those
I've
been
trying
to
track
those
down
and
have
been
unsuccessful
at
that,
and
then
we
have
clerk
greed
here.
Maybe
if
you
want
to
taco
you're
welcome
to
talk
on
this.
Q
Topic
I'll
give
an
alderman
the
chance
to
respond
first
but
yeah.
I
do
have
some
comments
to
make
here.
L
Q
Yeah
so,
okay!
Well
then,
I
will
start
here
and
and
go
through
this,
so
you
know
I
did
receive
an
email
from
you,
steve
about
this
being
on
the
agenda
on
saturday,
and
so
in
the
in
your
memo.
You
state
that
there
are
12
sets
of
recordings
and
minutes
that
are
missing
some
going
back
to
2018
and,
and
that
is
true
or
that
that
is
that
is.
That
is
not
exactly
the
case.
Here's
what
I
can
go
through!
Q
So
in
the
letter
to
the
attorney
general's
office,
you
list
with
those
you
know,
minutes
that
are
missing.
The
audio
is
missing
so
in
the
529
18
sets
of
minutes
and
the
5
17
18
sets
of
minutes
those
were
that
were
submitted
to
the
council.
Q
Those
minutes
were
submitted
and
as
well
as
a
whole
host
of
other
minutes.
The
council
rejected
those
minutes
because
they
were
nearly
verbatim
minutes.
There
were
verbatim
records
of
what
was
done
during
the
executive
session,
and
that
was
something
so
I'm
actually
really
happy
that
you
brought
this
discussion
forward
publicly
mayor
hegarty
this
discussion
and
a
similar
discussion
is
something
that
I've
been
calling
for
for.
Quite
some
time
well.
Q
Q
Yeah
so
busting
this
for
months,
yeah
yeah.
To
that
point,
I
did
respond
in
fact,
there's
an
email
chain
that
you
did
not
include.
That
was
just
from
friday
july
24th,
in
which
alderman
wilson,
when
I
released
the
police
misconduct
memo,
police
misconduct
can
use
a
force
memo
alderman
wilson's
response
to.
That
was
that
you
know.
Oh
you
remind
me
of
these
various
issues
that
have
you
know
little
to
nothing
to
do
with
the
the
memo.
Q
But
what
he
did
say
is
you
you
remind
me
that
we're
still
waiting
dozens
of
minutes
in
executive
session
minutes
will
we
ever
get
them?
If
not
just
say
so,
some
are
over
a
year
old,
I
will
read
the
full
email.
In
addition,
you
have
repeatedly
promised
me
that
there
would
be
a
list
of
records
that
you
have
scanned
by
your
office.
Where
are
those
records
stored?
There's
a
lot
of
material
in
that
office.
There's
a
lot
of
material
in
that
office.
Q
When
you
assume
the
position-
and
we-
or
at
least
I
do
not
know
where
those
records
are
because
you
have
not
told
me,
you
indicated
to
me
that
you
would
give
old
original
documents
to
the
history
center,
but
they
do
not
have
a
record
of
such
where
the
old
originals-
and
you
know
the
archived
ordinances-
are
important
for
things
like
analysis
for
the
reparations
program.
Q
You
know
first,
you
know
his
comments
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
policy,
but
I
did
respond
to
his
questions
and
I
said
there
are
not
dozens
of
minutes
missing.
Here's
a
link
to
the
public
webpage.
There
are
a
few
executive
session
minutes
outstanding
due
to
possible
corrupted
audio
files.
You
can
expect
the
minutes
from
the
few
sessions
with
corrupt
audio
at
the
exec
at
the
next
upcoming
exec
session.
You
were
cc'd
and
you
were
copied
on
that
email,
mayor
haggerty.
So
I
you.
A
Q
Where
I
respond-
and
I
take
my
job
extremely
seriously-
I
take
my
job
extremely
seriously.
As
I
was
pointing
you,
you
state,
there
are
12
minutes
in
recordings
that
are
missing.
There
are
not
12
missing.
A
You
repeatedly
in
these
emails,
if
I'm
mistaken,
if
the.
If
I
have
made
a
mistake
in
my
emails,
I
am
frustrated.
I
think
everybody
understands
that
I
am
frustrated
because
I'm
spending
so
much
time
tracking
down
minutes.
That's
your
job
and
you
don't
do
the
minutes
right
after
executive
session.
We
don't
get
them
the
next
week
and
now
you're
just
using
a
bunch
of
words,
and
I
just
want
the
recordings
and
the
minutes
for
these.
Q
Right
and
I'm
not
using
a
bunch
of
words,
I'm
using
facts.
A
Q
Well
so,
as
I
said,
I
don't
want
to
go
back
and
forth
mayor
hagrid,
but
what
I
do
want
to
state
is
that
I
acknowledge
there
are
five
executive
session
recordings
where
the
audio
file
is
corrupted.
I
acknowledge
that
to
you
and
aldrin
wilson
in
the
email
on
the
fourth
which.
Q
Those
are
the
the
executive
session
minutes
or
executive
sessions
from
september
9th
2018
to
october
14th
2019.
So
it's
about
a
month
period.
There's
we
were
meeting
for
executive
session
every
week
at
that
point,
the
audio
files
there
corrupted.
What
I
would
hope
is
that
you
know
I
met
with
luke
stowe
in
the
in
it
department.
Q
I
would
hope
that
there
would
be
an
effort
to
see
if
there's
a
way
to
recover
those
potentially
corrupted
audio
files,
but
I
do
want
to
set
the
record
straight,
that
of
the
12
minutes
that
you
have
listed
that
are
missing,
there's
only
five
that
have
a
missing
audio
file,
a
potential
corrupted
audio
file.
As
I
said,
a
number
of
those
minutes
were
presented
to
the
council.
The
council
rejected
them
because
the
council
saw
them
as
too
detailed
they're
for
nearly
verbatim
minutes.
Q
There
are
other
another
set
of
minutes
that,
were
you
know.
Those
were
meetings
that
I
was
not
present,
for
that,
in
fact,
was
not
allowed
to
be
an
executive
session
because
those
issues
dealt
directly
with
matters
relating
to
me.
Q
A
Help
me
understand
so
september:
9
2019.
We
have
an
executive
session,
you
don't
do
the
minutes
within
the
week
after
the
executive
session
we
come
back.
We
have
another
executive
session
september,
16
2019.
A
again
you
don't
do
the
minutes.
You
know
within
a
week
after
that,
then
we
have
the
september
23rd
same
thing.
Then
we
have
september
30th
same
thing,
then
we
have
october
14th
same
thing
and
then
at
some
other
point
in
the
future,
you
find
out
that
the
audio
was
corrupted
for
all
of
those
exactly.
A
Q
You
know
I
I
did
not
discover
that
if
you
recall
the
timeline
there
september
9th
2019
right
before
that,
you
issued
an
order
that
really
disrupted
the
flow
and
organization
of
the
office,
where
I
was
no
longer
able
to
have
direct
communication
with
the
deputy
clerk,
but
also
I'll
just
note
that
it's
hold
on
mayor
hagerty,
just
one
second,
I
also
want
to
note
that
it
is
standard
practice
here.
Can
we
say
that
there
are
executive
session
minutes
that
I
have
not
been
partied
to
that?
You
know.
Q
Other
staff
have
been
responsible
for
that
are
still
outstanding.
You
know
maybe
a
month
or
two
down
the
road
has
that
happened
in
the
past
I
mean
the
record
will
show,
and
so
you
know
it,
it
hasn't
been
standard
practice
that
you
know
even
before
I
came
in
that
the
week
after
that
executive
session
minister
approved
it
was
a
you
know,
fairly
busy
period.
Q
We
the
office
was
going
through
a
lot
of
changes,
and
so
it
was
about
a
month
period
was
four
meetings
in
a
row
or
I'm
sorry,
five
meetings
in
a
row
where
the
session
was
recorded.
Somehow
the
autofile
became
corrupted
and
then
the
rest
of
them,
as
I
said,
are
accounted
for
either
as
being
rejected
by
the
council
because
of
their
verbatim
nature
of
those
minutes
you
know,
or
they
have
been
drafted
by
other
staff,
members
and
they're,
just
waiting
to
be
approved.
A
I
find
dark
green,
I
just
I,
I
can't
find
the
sonics.
I
just
find
this
unacceptable
that
you've
taken
me
to
this
point
where
I
had
to
bring
all
this
public
to
now
sit
here
and
say:
here's
what
happened
to
them
and
not
having
told
me
this
before.
You
never
responded
to
those
emails
and
said
here's
the
situation
with
all
of
these
all
12
of
these.
I'm
still
not
sure
I
mean,
I
guess,
you're
saying
september,
9th
through
october
14th
are
corrupted,
but
I
am
I'm
just
exhausted
by
trying
to
track
these
down.
L
It
sounds
like
you
have
plenty
of
updates
to
share
and
just
an
interest
of
time
because
we've
gone
beyond,
and
we
have
some
lengthy
conversations
that
are
very
important
as
well
as
this
discussion
at
human
services
clerk
reid.
Can
you
just
give
us
a
summary
of
your
action
plan,
because
I've
heard
bits
and
pieces
of
it
in
your
response
of
how
we
get
up
to
speed
with
the
minutes
that
need
to
be
revised,
as
well
as
the
action
plan
to
get
the
minutes
that
are
outstanding
submitted?
Sir?
Yes,.
Q
Yes,
thank
you
for
that
question.
That
is
a
productive
question.
So
as
far
as
the
minutes
that,
with
the
corrupted
audio
file,
I
hope
that
we
can,
if
there's
the
potential
for
an
outside
audio
expert,
to
come
in
and
take
a
peek
at
this
and
see
if
there's
anything
that
they
can
do.
I
think
that
would
be
a
productive
solution.
You
know
those
minutes
can
still
be
drafted.
Q
The
way
that
we're
drafting
executive
session
minutes
now
the
direction
that
I've
received
and
agreed
to
from
council
is
to
not
do
very
detailed
verbatim
minutes
and,
to
do
very
you
know,
essentially
sparse
minutes,
and
so
those
minutes
can
be.
Q
You
know
to
hold
off
for
those
audio
files
was
in
the
hopes
that
we
could
come
to
a
solution,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
email
february,
20,
I'm
sorry
february,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
email
july
24th
when
I
released
the
police
misconduct
and
use
of
force
memo
to
everyone
in
response
to
aldon
wilson,
I
I
did
state
there
that
those
few
audio
recordings
that
were
corrupted
that
the
minutes
for
those
would
be
put
forth
at
the
next
executive
session
so
that
that's
still
the
timeline.
Q
That's
the
timeline
that
the
mayor
was
aware
of
prior
to
putting
out
this
memo.
I'm
sure
the
mayor
is
aware
that
I
had
conversations
with
luke
stowe
regarding
this
and
and
that
I
recently
responded
to
aldrin
wilson's.
So
so
I
I
thank
you
for
your
questions.
Album
braithwaite
and
I
do
think.
L
Sorry,
but
just
one
more
jim,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir,
so
clark
reed
and
then
from
your
position
in
the
event
that
the
minutes
have
not
been
accepted,
voted
on,
etc.
Before
our
term
do
we
have
any
consequences
to
us
as
a
city
council
for
not
having
minutes
properly
submitted,
voted
on
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
in
the
event
that
we
run
out
of
time.
Q
Well,
I
I
don't
suspect,
that's
not
going
to
be
an
issue
that
that
we
run
out
of
time.
We
have
you
know
eight,
eight,
nine
months
before
our
term
is
over
and
it
won't
be
eight
or
nine
months
before
this
is
settled.
P
I
just
have
more
of
a
general
statement,
so
I'm
I'm
no
I.t
expert.
So
whatever
clerk
read,
you
know
if
luke
stowe
obviously
is
our
kind
of
person
here,
but
if
he
is
unable,
then
I
would
hope
that
you
could
take
whatever
device
to
whatever
place
and
you
know
get
it
looked
at.
You
know
as
we're
doing
the
you
know,
coped
and
covered
recovery.
I
imagine
all
of
our
staff
are
kind
of
pushed
to
the
limit,
and
maybe
this
is
their
expertise.
P
So
if
you
could
take
the
initiative
to
take
it
wherever
it
needs
to
go
to
see
if
it's
able
to
be
fixed,
that
would
be
great
and
not
escalating.
Our
staff
might
not
be
able
to
do
it
or
don't
have
time
and
then
my
other
point
is
you
know,
I
think
what
this
is
displaying
and
well.
Maybe
I've
seen
this
more
nationally
as
well
as
we
have
to
just
have
some
better
communication.
So
I
you
know
you
as
london
and
visit
earlier.
You
know,
make
a
living
wage.
P
You
were
elected
to
do
this
job
and
you
know
I
don't
want
to
or
have
time
to
and
maybe
to
my
colleagues
I
think
management
right.
Some
minutes
come
they're
there.
I
think
that,
at
least
for
me,
I'm
not
trying
to
be
a
stickler.
I
understand
life
happens,
so
maybe
you
don't
get
them
to
us.
The
next
meeting.
P
My
memory
is
not
very
good,
so
I
can't
always
necessarily,
if
they're,
really
late,
saying
how
accurate
things
are.
So
I'm
really
relying
on
you
and
relying
on
you
to
keep
those
records
for
public
to
keep
us
accountable
as
well,
and
then
I
would
just
speak
in
terms
to
what
you're
speaking
to
about
the
executive
sessions
verbatim.
I
was
there
for
the
conversation.
I
will
tell
you.
P
I
don't
care
if
they're
very
vague
or
not
as
long
as
they're
correct,
but
that
is
the
direction
and
I
think
that
was
kind
of
the
overwhelming
direction.
P
Then
I
would
have
an
expectation
if
you
did
have
the
minutes
and
they
were
verbatim
and
you
need
to
just
condense
them
to
whatever
format
acceptable
that
that
should
be
done
in
a
relatively
quick
time
right.
So
we
can
just
kind
of
keep
moving
on
in
terms
of
your
point
regarding
another
staff.
Remember,
I
know
we've
had
other
staff
in
executive
session
and
again
I
I'm
not
really
remembering
those
dates
and
who
was
just
due
for
whatever
minute.
P
We
have
to
be
good
stewards
with
the
government
resources,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
do
leave
that
in
good
standing
for
everyone-
and
we
also
just
don't
know
what
the
future
holds
in
terms
of
our
meetings.
If
we're
going
to
be
back
in
the
cove,
lockdown
and
all
kind
of
things,
I
think
it's
a
good
time
to
get
all
these
things.
P
So
we
can
hand
this
hand
all
the
information
off
to
a
new
council
in
a
very
productive
manner
so
that
they
are
not
trying
to
figure
out,
and
I
know
I
think
we
had
this
discussion
in
executive
session
with
some
notes
from
when
some
of
us
run
on
council
right
trying
to
decipher
some
things
from
mr
green's
notes.
So
we
don't
want
to
leave
that
for
a
guessing
point
for
the
next
council
to
have
to
deal
with.
Q
Thank
you.
If
I
can,
just
briefly
before
we
close
this
out,
respond
to
alderman
fleming
hey,
you
know.
I
would
like
to
take
this.
The
audio
files
to
an
outside
expert.
As
we
know,
the
open
meetings
act
states
that
the
verbatim
recordings
shall
not
be
removed
from
the
official
storage
site
right
now,
the
council
has
not
designated
an
official
storage
site
for
the
executive
session
minutes
and
as
the
records
keeper,
which
is
currently,
you
know
the
city
network
as
well.
Q
As
you
know,
a
city
issued
device
which
is
connected
to
the
network.
So
if
the
council
is
you
know,
I
think
this
is
something
that
could
be
discussed
in
at
the
next
executive
session,
but
if
the
council
is
willing
to
give
direction
to,
you
know
to
allow
for
those
reportings
to
be
sent
to
an
outside
expert
that'll
that
that
would
be
appreciated,
and
I
just
want
to
note
that
you
know,
as
I
said,
we
we
have
met
with
luke
still
I
do
not.
Q
B
Thanks
and
I
I
guess,
if
you
just
start
as
far
as
the
I.t
part
goes-
maybe
just
get
them
to
our
you
get
to
file
the
it
department
if
they
haven't
been
if
they
have,
and
you
can
check
in
with
them,
but
also
with
regard
to
the
recordings
that
you
do
have
you
have
the
secure
google
drive
that
you
upload
the
other
minutes
meeting
recordings
rather
to
you
just
make
sure
all
those
other
recordings
get
uploaded
to
that,
so
that
we
can
get
to
those.
B
That's
the
only
way
we
can
check
the
minutes
that
are
produced
versus
the
recordings
since
they're
old,
as
I've
been
following
that
it's
hard
to
go
back
and
remember
all
that,
so
we
need
those
recordings
to
actually
do
our
part
of
the
job.
Okay,.
Q
For
my
knowledge,
other
than
the
recordings
that
are
that
have
the
corrupted
audio
file
there,
there
are
no
missing
recordings.
There's
a
there's.
A
file
is
a
google
drive
file,
as
aldrin
wilson
mentioned,
I
can
connect
with
the
with
ms
richardson
and
the
deputy
clerk
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
in
one
place.
There's
some
I'm.
A
Gonna
be
doing,
I'm
gonna
be
pretty
upset,
I'm
gonna
be
pretty
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna
be
pretty
upset
with
staff.
If
there's
no
there's
an
audio
recording
for
all
of
those,
because
that's
why
all
those
people
were
copied
on
that
email
exchange
because
they
kept
saying
there
is
no
audio
recording
for
all
12
of
those
and
you're
saying
right
here
that
no
all
12
of
those
there
are
five
that
are
missing.
I
understand
there's
five
that
are
missing,
but
you're
saying
the
other
seven
are
uploaded.
All
the
audio
recording
is
uploaded
in
there.
Q
Yes,
the
other
ones
I
have
are
uploaded
somewhere
they're
on
my
city
device,
as
you
mentioned
in
your
memo
that
staff
went
through
my
advice,
you
know,
and
so
yeah
all
of
this
I've
met
with
luke
stowe
and
the
I.t
department
any
of
the
records
any
of
the
recordings
that
are
not
corrupted
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
have
been,
have
been
uploaded
and
turned
over
uploaded.
B
Q
There
is
there,
I
believe
there
are
two
google
drives,
the
deputy
clerk,
as
you
can
see,
that
maintains
those
google
drives
so
that
what
I'm
saying
is
the
files
are
on
the
city
network
and,
if
there's
any
recording
that
you
want
access
to,
you
can
either
find
it
on
the
google
drive
or
request
it.
Q
The
recordings
that
there
are
some
recordings
that
are
not
on
there
there's
executive
session
recordings
from
the
last
two
meetings
which,
as
the
mayor
mentioned
in
his
memo,
have
been
kept
by
the
city
manager,
the
recording
was
taken
by
the
city
manager's
office
and
no
those
are
not
uploaded
there.
In
fact,
I
don't
know.
A
I
Mayor,
I
know
looking
at
the
time
I
don't
so.
I
will
just
say
this:
I
will
work
with
the
clerk
to
identify
where
those
items
are
stored,
because
at
this
time
deputy
clerk
gomez
is
not
eddie
does
not
have
access
to
those
files,
so
I
will
work
with
the
clerk
and
we
will
identify
where
they're
located
at.
A
A
A
O
N
So
the
open
meetings
act
sets
the
timeline
in
terms
of
when
the
council
is
supposed
to
have
an
opportunity
to
review
and
release
executive
session
minutes,
and
the
clerk
according
to
the
city,
ordinance
is
the
keeper
of
those
minutes.
N
The
consequence
is
not
necessarily
to
the
individual
council
members
or
the
mayor
or
to
the
clerk.
It's
actually
the
it's
falls
on
the
city.
So
if
the
attorney
general
decides
to
file
an
action
or
one
of
the
diligent
residents
of
the
city
of
evidence
and
demands
and
asks
for
these
minutes,
the
city
could
face
civil
consequences
for
failing
to
abide
by
the
meetings
act
and
not
having
those
minutes.
N
Q
Excuse
me,
if
I
chime
in
to
that
the
open
meetings
act,
the
requirement
is
that
the
any
executive
session
minutes
according
to
oma
will
be
approved
within
30
days
of
the
council
meeting.
I
believe
that
nick
can
confirm,
but
it's
it's
30
days
so
so
that
is
one
requirement
also
this
notion
that
any
of
this
could
be
you
know
accessed
through
foia.
I
can
tell
you
as
much
as
I
would
love
for
everything
to
be
accessible
through
foia.
Q
These
executive
session
recordings
are
not
something
that
anyone
could
ever
have
access
to
and
as
a
verbatim
recording
is
explicitly
in
oma
and
foia
exempt
from
disclosure.
So
no
resident
could
ever
request
this
and
as
far
as
the
requirements
of
the
council,
what
is
mentioned
is
the
and
what's
really
key
to
transparency
is
that
the
council
is
supposed
to
meet
two
times
a
year
to
release
executive
session
minutes.
Q
This
is
also
a
discussion
that
I've
been
calling
for
and
in
the
last
four
years,
this
council
has
not
met
two
times
a
year
to
release
past
executive
session
minutes
to
the
public,
and
so,
if
we're
creating
liability,
I
think
the
liability
is
created
by
not
releasing
these
executive
session
minutes,
some
of
them
going
back
to
2014
2013
that
have
not
been
released
by
the
council
in
accordance
with
the
bi-annual
requirements
of
oma.
E
Q
N
Mr,
I
appreciate
the
clerk's
encyclopedia
knowledge
about
the
open
meetings
act.
He
is
absolutely
correct
in
the
sense
that
the
council
is
to
meet
twice
a
year
to
review
these
executive
session
minutes,
and
that
is
the
actual
issue
that
we're
discussing
here's
the
minutes,
not
necessarily
the
auto
record
audio
recordings.
The
executive
session
minutes
do
have
to
be
reviews
at
least
twice
a
year
and
I
believe
the
fine
is.
It
can
be
a
thousand
dollars
per
day
for
the
city.
N
If
we
have
the
violation
opening
exactly,
we
also
have
to
file
with
also
to
file
the
local
records
act,
so
both
of
those
together
could
create
some
potential
civil
liability
with
the
attorney
general's
office
for
the
city.
Q
Right,
including
the
council's,
not
reviewing
these
biannually
to
release
publicly.
That
could
create
liability
with
the.
E
Q
They
go
back
to
2014
that
there's
some
not
released.
There
are
five,
as
I
said
recordings,
so
I
think
we
should
talk
about
the
full
picture
here,
especially
as
we're
using
transparency
in
foia.
O
What
what
I
really
want
to
know
is
is
what
what's,
our
liability
associated
with
those
that
are
missing
and
what
sort
of
day
day-to-day
fines
would
we
be
are
we
exposed
to?
I
think
that's
that's
something
that
I
have
never
really
realized,
and
I
would
like
to
have
those
numbers
nick.
Is
that
something
that
you
could
come
up
with.
N
D
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
I'd
like
to
set
a
deadline.
City
clerk
for
you.
You
said
there
were
those
particular
minutes
that
we
rejected
because
they
were
made
verbatim
and
we
and
we
had
sent
them
back
to
your
office.
I
believe
those
are
from
last
fall.
D
Can
we
get
a
deadline
set
for
those
to
be
converted
to
the
standard
minutes
they've
been
having,
because
I
mean
I
don't
see
that
we
turned
the
back
to
you
to
change
into
a
different
format
which
actually
was
a
reduced
format,
and
so
I'd
like
to
get
at
least
get
that
off
the
list.
So
that's
completed.
D
That
you
could
do
two
weeks
is
that
is
that
why
don't
we
set
two
weeks.
Q
Certainly
yeah,
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
I
I
have
wanted
this.
You
know
we
started
doing
verbatim
executive
session
minutes.
You
know
in
2018.
Maybe
you
know
I
do
have
a
question
for
mr
for
attorney.
Cummings,
no.
Q
D
Q
No
they're
they're,
the
two
that
are
missing
from
2000
that
are,
you,
know,
claimed
missing
from
2018.
Those
are
the
minutes
that
need
to
be
that
were
rejected
and
need
to
be
reduced
down.
Q
Q
So
those
two
that
need
to
be
reduced
down,
but
if
I
can
ask
a
question
of
mr
attorney
cummings,
is
that
fine
sure
go
ahead
from
your
knowledge
or
miss
gandursky
either
one
who
has
a
knowledge
of
this?
The
open
meetings
act
is
somewhat
unclear
as
it
says
that
the
council
is
to
approve
executive
session
minutes,
but
the
clerk
is
to
draft
them
and
when
there's
a
difference
in
opinion
when
the
clerk
puts
forward
minutes
that
are,
you
know
that
that
are
more
detailed
than
the
council
is
comfortable
with.
Q
How
do
we
make
that
determination
as
to
you
know
what
minutes
to
go
with
if
I've
submitted
minutes
that
are,
you
know
legally
sufficient,
but
they're
more
detailed
than
the
council
wants?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
reconcile
that.
Q
So
you
know,
because
I
don't
want
to
you-
know-
go
back
and
forth
more
on
this.
I
will
agree.
We
have
approved
some
minutes
that
were
the
council
has
approved
a
few
minutes
that,
were
you
know
nearly
that
were
the
verbatim
version
of
the
executive
session
minutes
to
make
sure
that
folks,
in
the
in
the
public
under
have
a
clear
understanding
of.
What's
going
on
exactly.
I
will
agree
here
to
pare
down
those
executive
session
minutes.
This
is
a
discussion.
Q
I've
been
calling
for
for
a
while,
and
so
I'm
happy
that
we
are.
N
Here
I
just
have
a
question
for
the
council.
For
mr
mayor
is
there
I
guess
we're
discussing
the
the
two
executive
session
minutes
that
are
asked
to
be
paired
down
is
I'm
assuming
then
there's
some
inconsistency
between
the
way
the
minutes
were
kept
previously
and
the
way
the
minutes
were
kept
subsequent.
L
I
could
respond
to
that
great.
I
would
agree.
This
is
a
very
healthy
conversation
to
have,
and
I
appreciate
you
putting
forth
the
deadlines
and
the
clarity
where
we've
had
bad
communication.
If
I
could
speak
for
the
council
with
the
details
in
those
minutes
I'll
I'll
use
myself
as
an
example,
I
won't
speak
for
the
council.
L
The
concern
is
we
don't
necessarily
to
the
public
vote
on
things
in
executive
session.
We
talk
about
litigation
real
estate,
sometimes
and
there's
one
other
thing
that
I
it's
not
something.
But
the
point
is
when
the
minutes
capture
a
phrase
or
a
statement.
That
is
not
reflective
of
my
comments,
for
example.
L
L
Everything
is
very
bullet
pointed
we
all
realize
at
some
point
that
the
the
the
recordings
are
released
for
anyone
who
no,
who
cares
to
go
into
that
level
of
detail.
But
the
point
that
I
would
want
to
communicate
to
you
is
I'm
just
more
concerned
with
with
capturing
the
minutes
in
the
format
that
we're
used
to
just
to
allow
us
to
move
forward
in
this
conversation,
and
also
this
matters
certainly.
A
Although
alderman
alderman
wayne,
I'm
sorry.
D
Yes,
I
I
mean
I
do
have.
I
have
one
last
thing
because
having
served
on
the
council
during
that
time
period
from
2014
to
that
that
the
clerk
reed
is
referring
to,
we
did
have
regular
six-month
reviews
of
our
executive
session
minutes
and
we
released
the
minutes
that
we
felt
were
appropriate
to
be
released.
To
imply
that
we
have
not
pleased
all
of
them
and
therefore
have
been
in
violation
of
the
law
is
really
incorrect,
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
a
debate
about
this.
I'm
sure
that
the
legal
counsel
can
determine
that.
D
We
did
because
I
remember
reviewing
those
minutes
every
six
months
as
we
are
required
to
do,
and
not
all
of
those
minutes
were
released,
because
some
of
them
were
ongoing
matters,
and
so
they
were
still
appropriate
to
keep
within
the
executive
session.
So
we
do
release
executive
session
minutes
when
the
matters
are
no
longer
relevant
when
we
are
no
longer
engaged
in
litigation
or
discussing
so
that
they.
D
That
is
really
accurate.
To
say
that
we
did
not
do
that
on
a
regular
basis.
We
did
do
it
on
a
basis
and
we
had
a
city
clerk
who
brought
them
to
us
with
our
law
department
on
a
regular
basis.
So
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's.
That
record
is
very
clear
and
I
look
forward
to
getting
these
two
sets
of
verbatim
minutes
in
standard
form
and
seeing
them
at
the
next
session,
which
next
monday
august
10th.
Q
Certainly
I
I
do
just
want
to
note
that
I
I
did
not
make
a
comment
on
what
the
previous
council
did.
My
comments
were
regarding
this
council
that
I've
been
a
part
of
in
the
last
four
years
that
I've
been
here
three
years
going
on
four
years.
We
have
not
had
that
biannual
review
and
I
can't
say
what
was
going
on
before,
because
I
wasn't
in
exactly
what
yeah
we
certainly
haven't
had
it.
D
A
Thank
you,
aldermen
all
right,
so
the
2018
audio
in
minutes
we'll
have
for
executive
session
next
monday
august
10th
for
the
clerk,
the
five
that
are
there's
a
problem
with
the
audio
and
you
can't
access
the
audio
we'll
get
with
we'll
get.
A
Have
you
ever
answer
those
and
then
the
other
five
that
the
clerk
says
do
exist
and
are
up
on
the
drive
we're
going
to
have
the
clerk
get
together
with
luke,
stowe
and
kimberly
richardson
this
week,
and
then
I
want
to
report
back
by
the
end
of
the
week
about
those
all
right
that
takes
care
of
that
discussion.
Item
next
item
up
is.
A
A
All
in
favor
aye
all
right,
any
opposed
all
right.
The
rules
committee
meeting
is
adjourned.
Next
up
will
be
the
human
services
committee.
Thank
you.
Everyone.