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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
this
is
a
public
hearing
of
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
of
the
city
of
Evanston.
The
zoning
ordinance
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
major
variations,
special
uses
and
appeals
from
the
decisions
of
the
Zoning
Administrator,
depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
board
will
make
either
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
City
Council
Scott.
Will
you
call
the
roll
please.
A
With
four
members
we
do
have
a
quorum
also
to
present
tonight
is
a
Planning
and
Zoning
Administrator
Scott
Mangum.
This
is
a
formal
meeting
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time
so
that
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
board
regarding
any
matter
on
the
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellant
next.
A
Persons
who
wish
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
may
do
so
at
that
time,
any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
500
feet
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
question
witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
at
the
hearing.
When
all
supporting
and
opposing
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard,
the
applicant
or
appellant
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
a
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
Then
the
board
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations.
All
testimony
will
be
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
A
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
or
statements
your
personal
knowledge
when
you
address
the
board,
please
state
your
name
and
address
and
sign
in
on
the
provided
sheet.
Our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you
are
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
can
be
properly
recorded.
All
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
A
There
are
four
items
on
the
agenda
tonight:
514
Custer
are
you
here,
yes,
hiding
behind
a
poster
for
13
Grove.
Are
you
here,
26
26
Reese
has
been
rescheduled
in
re
notice
to
22
September
25th.
So
anybody
who
is
here
for
that
leave
now
24
15
wait.
Are
you
here?
Okay,
so
everybody
is
here.
The
first
thing
we're
gonna
do.
Is
anybody
who
has
a
plan
on
speaking
tonight
can
I
get
you
to
raise
your
right
hand?
Do
you
swear
for
him
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings
fabulous?
A
D
A
B
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
board
members
at
public
comment
is
applying
for
a
special
use
permit
for
our
public
utility
within
the
r32
family
residential
district.
The
applicant
also
requests
belief
in
order
to
construct
a
concrete
wall
that
is
20
feet
in
the
height
where
concrete
material
is
not
permitted
for
fences
and
a
maximum
height
of
8
feet
is
allowed
on
this
item.
The
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
is
a
determining
body
for
the
case.
B
City
staff
and
dapper
have
reviewed
the
item
and
are
recommending
approval
of
the
requests.
This
item
also
has
been
to
a
community
meeting
of
the
Ninth
Ward
addition
to
the
staff
report.
The
attachments
are
included
in
the
packet,
especially
use
and
variation
applications,
the
standard
forms,
zoning
analysis,
platter
survey,
site
plan,
renderings
image,
aerial
and
zoning
map
of
the
property,
in
addition
to
the
dapper
meeting
minutes
excerpt.
That
includes
a
summary
of
the
staff
report
and
available
for
questions.
Thank
you.
I.
F
Contain
that,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Carlo
Caballero
I'm,
an
external
affairs
manager
for
Commonwealth
Edison
office,
address
5190
Church,
Street,
Skokie,
Illinois
607.
Seven,
this
project
is
much
sure
this
is
our
the
third
I've
done
and
that's
in
in
Evanston.
This
is
turning
into
an
annual
affair
with
these
DC
and
abox
conversions,
which
is
actually
from
a
ComEd
perspective,
electrical
grid
resiliency
very
positive.
The
one
shooter
that
I
passed
out
kind
of
gives
you
a
high
level.
We
call
it
hardening
project
the
key
thing
for
why
these
DC's
convert
is
the
current
device.
F
That's
on
site
is
a
4
kv
system,
4,000
kilovolts,
so
we're
up
the
general
standard
in
the
utility
industry,
the
lowest
level
standard
is
12
kV.
So
what
that
has
for
you?
It's
it's
standardizing
the
equipment
up
to
12
kV
4
kv
v
non-standard.
The
lead
time
for
equipment
orders
they
have
widely
availability
of
the
equipment
is
much
less.
So
therefore,
and
obviously
the
biggest
improvement
is
increased
capacity,
so
as
more
Economic,
Development,
commercial,
retail,
residential.
Otherwise,
as
you
know,
tear
downs
other,
you
know
other
scenarios.
F
It
provides
that
that
level
of
capacity
the
reliability
comes
into.
We
can
provide
more
more.
We
have
more
redundant
feeders
available
because
of
the
same
standard
without
having
to
convert
them,
so
it
just
gives
us
a
lot
more
options
for
looping
the
grid.
So
that's
that's
the
true
nature
of
these
DC
and
a
box
conversions.
The
other
thing
is,
is
that,
instead
of
a
single,
they
continue
to
make
12
kV
W
no
station
devices,
distribution
centers
that
are
all
in
one.
F
The
DC
and
a
box
conversion
breaks
that
equipment
up
into
basically
regulators,
transformers
and
switch.
It
gives
you
a
softer
footprint,
meaning
you
spread
out
the
equipment
you
can
isolate
the
size.
The
transformer
itself
is
your
largest
piece
of
equipment.
We
go
down
from
being
almost
over
15
feet
in
height
for
the
single
piece
of
equipment
for
the
tallest,
one
he's
nine
and
then
the
other.
The
switches
and
the
Transformers
are
obviously
below
event.
So
we've
done
for
site
reference,
I
think
the
best
one,
the
most
more
two
most
recent
examples.
F
One
that's
actually
seen
is
just
what
we
call
DC
c-54
it's
at
brown
in
church.
It's
literally
just
north
of
the
high
school
right
next
to
just
west
of
y-o-u,
then
brain,
and
why
are
you
building
that
one's
more
visible
83
is
the
one
we
did
last
year,
but
it's
really
tucked
in
an
alley
across
from
Haven
middle
school
off
of
Lincoln.
So
that's
that's!
When
I'm
trying
to
starting
to
be
a
real-life
example
of
what
they
look
like
and.
C
F
F
F
Believe
it's
15
to
18
feet,
I!
Just
it's
two
years
over
yeah.
C
A
A
F
We
needed
to
basically
the
wall
provides
a
two-hour
fire
break
from
the
adjacent
structure.
The
apartment
building
has
windows
exposed,
so
you
donate
to
our
you,
don't
have
a
two-hour
fire
break
from
those,
so
what
the
wall
does
is
in
the
event,
you
have
a
fire
right
that
the
devices
that
are
at
the
south
end
of
the
property
yeah.
You
need
that
to
our
fire
break
and
the
heat
bloom.
If
it,
if
it
occurs,
that's
what
the
wall
provides.
So
the
heat
goes
up
instead
about
my.
E
A
F
F
Driven
by
the
it's
driven
by
the
thermographic
study,
so
then
the
engineers
I
mean
that's:
that's
how
that's?
What
drives
the
design
of
the
walls
and
the
thermographic
study.
So
the
combination
of
the
thermographic
study,
which
makes
the
recommendation,
then
we
take
our
engineering
studies.
So
this
is
one
where
we
could.
We
could
have
conceivably
planned
three
to
four
walls,
but
in
working
with
staff,
and
otherwise
we
got
it
down
to
the
two
that
we
absolutely
have
to
have
right.
C
C
F
Had
a
I
mean
now
just
about
we,
it
was
a
general
discussion
as
to
what
and
why
I
don't
think
there
was
the
the
questions
focused
on.
What
could
we
do
to
beautify?
We
talked
about
the
landscaping
options
we
explained
as
I
would
hear
so.
The
census
site
is
so
small
and
the
grounding
facilities
that
are
unbuilt
into
this
site.
We
have
to
use
our
entire
footprint
to
basically
fill
with
gravel
and
for
all
the
other
on
the
underground
structures
that
support
those
these
devices
containment
and
you
name
it
and
the
grounding
that's
in
there.
F
Is
one
foot
10
inches?
It's
actually
City
right-of-way.
So
what
we
we
had
a
site
meeting
with
the
alder
and
both
of
alderman
Rainey
and
all
they're
in
Fleming,
some
of
the
residents
actually
added
attendant
Scott
was
there
we
were
there.
We
went
through
and
considered
other
options.
What
occurred
then
afterwards
is
finding
out
that
that
is
actually
all
right
of
way.
There's
an
18
t
buried
line
underneath
it
so
any
of
the
other
options
we
had.
F
We
were
looking
at
the
modular
landscape
walls
or
something-
and
this
said
putting
something
fixed
like
that
over
it
just-
would
not
work
from
a
utility
perspective,
so
the
grass
options
work
with
in
other
design
aspects
that
are
used
in
evanston.
We
know
it's
Hardy,
it's
now
for
our,
but
it's
low
maintenance.
It's
pretty
easy.
It
should
give
us
as
much
shield
as
we
can
get.
It's
also
what
the
landscaper
recommended
will
do
well
in
that
spacing,
there's
no
evergreen
and
we
can
plant
in
that
short
amount
of
dirt.
F
That's
gonna,
do
any
good,
so
it's
gonna
be
it'll
turn
more
of
an
eyesore
than
a
benefit.
We
also
discussed,
and
going
back
to
the
community
meeting,
we
discussed
the
design
of
the
wall
options.
The
rendering
you
show
is
we
had
brick
and
design
what
this
one
and
we're
submitting
is
and
we're
still
working
with
alderman
Fleming
to
pick
out
stone,
brick
or
block
design.
So
there's
a
form
liner
that
we
can
use
it's
a
solid,
pour
concrete
wall
as
the
other
ones
they
put
the
form
liner
in
and
it
gives
you
that
same
design.
F
So,
if
you
think
of
probably
more
familiar
with
stamped
concrete,
it's
the
same
effect,
you
can
pick
any
of
these
patterns
and
that's
what
turns
out
the
same
thing
with
the
two
different
sites,
whether
it's
brown
in
church
or
a
Green
Bay.
There's
a
import
in
place
dye
that
we
match
the
general
color,
they
think
for
church
and
brown
next
to
wow
you,
we
blended
it
in
with
the
building
and
at
Green
Bay.
We
picked
I,
think
it's
red
brick,
because
that's
what
matched
the
adjacent
apartment
building
so
for
each
case.
D
F
D
A
F
The
divide,
the
divider
between
the
apartments,
so
the
space
between
the
apartment
building
in
our
site
is,
is
isn't
it
there's
a
parking
lot
there
yeah
and
there's
some
landscaping,
that's
in
distress
that
will
be
removed.
We
need
we
need
to
acquire
and
work
with
them
for
construction
easement.
So
what
would
be
on
the
other
side
is
yet
to
be
determined
because
that's
gonna
be
worked
out
of
them,
but.
E
F
Actually,
what
happens
is
so
the
distribution
work
around
the
area
is
being
done,
so
there
is
oranges
when
we're
doing
the
work,
but
it's
not
like
everyone
goes
dark
for
a
long
period
of
time.
What
we'll
do
is
we'll
take
the
station
off
line.
We've
done
this
with
all
the
other
ones,
so
it's
dead
its
then
demoed
completely
and
rebuilt
and
we're
beings
with.
So
the
surrounding
area
is
being
served
by
alternative
feeds
and.
D
F
F
Because
even
all
the
distribution
work
with
the
polls
and
stuff
that's
gone
over,
we
covered
it
with
the
community
in
the
community
meeting
as
to
the
process
that
so
they
receive
the
notices
for
the
outages.
As
all
the
poll
replacements
go
in
because
we
upgrade
you
know
the
insulators
have
to
change
and
the
cross
arms
and
any
of
the
polls
that
are
suspect
are
swapped
up.
All
that
works
been
going
on
all
summer
long,
oh
okay,
so
you
got
me
started.
E
F
That
this
is
that
this
is
actually
the
last
piece
some
of
them
we
done
concurrent
most
of
them
we've
do
this
way.
We
get
everything
set,
take
the
station
out
after
what
we
call
summer
load
once
all
the
air
conditioners
stop
running,
there's,
obviously
less
load
and
demand
on
the
system.
So
we
can
take
the
station
out
just
just
disperse
the
load
to
other
feeders
in
the
surrounding
area,
because
we
have
the
12
kV
system
built
and
then
when
this
goes
in,
it
goes
back,
live
well.
C
F
Had
I
don't
have
any
knowledge
of
one,
so
the
54
went
in.
There
was
a
this.
Is
a
new
standard
or
went
into
effect
in
15
church
in
branch,
sorry,
church
and
brown.
So
when
we
did
when
we
did
the
design
work
for
Church
and
brown
that
the
standard
was
also
put
in
place,
but
the
design
work
was
already
more
moving
along,
so
we
came
back
and
approved
the
walls
separately
after
the
station
was
already
built.
So
that's
the
first
one
that
I
had
knowledge
of
the
rest
of
them
have
not.
F
The
argument
you
generally
face
is
main
and
I
do
I
describe
this.
These
are
when
I
was
here
last
year.
I
mean
it's
Murphy's,
Law
I
play
here
right,
that's
what
we're
planning
against
so
it's
I'll
use
the
car
analogy.
We
wear
seatbelts
and
we
have
airbags
right,
so
we're
safe
with
seatbelts
were
safer
with
airbags,
so
we're
safe
without
with
the
equipment
that
DC
in
a
box
we're
safer
with
the
wall.
I,
don't
know
how
I
mean
I,
know
your
role,
but
it's
it's
it's
hard
to
explain
how
we'd
argue
that
you
to
Allah.
F
We
that's
why
we
try
to
lower
them
as
much
as
we
can.
You
know
under
the
we
fight
back
on
the
standards
as
once,
you
can
that's
why
we
ended
up
with
one
and
a
half
walls
instead
of
three,
so
where
they're
really
practical,
where
they're
really
needed,
we
push
them
in
as
we
rein
them
in
as
much
as
we
can
on
our
own.
It's
a
new
standard
when
in
a
place,
so
every
DC
in
a
box,
it
doesn't
have
25
feet
of
footage.
D
F
A
F
Are
some
of
that
I
mean
there's
absolutely
some
of
that
I
mean
as
a
rate
regulated
utility.
That's
our
mandate
from
everyone,
whether
it's
a
General,
Assembly
or
ICC,
and
our
ratepayers
so
it,
but
it
truly
is
there's
nothing
more
effective.
I
mean
thinking
even
from
a
fire
study
standpoint.
You
know
you
can
you
can
have
drywall,
but
condos
are
generally
block
wall.
You
know
firewalls
as
well,
there's
a
reason
they
use
it
because
brute
force
and
ignorance
it
just
basically
works-
can.
F
Because
the
way
the
heat,
it's
heat
rises,
so
that's
the
way.
That's
what
drives
that
from
the
thermographic
study.
So
the
thickness
of
it
is
not
necessarily
so
even
you
know
even
eight
inches
a
brick
or
something
is
you
can
give
you
two
hours
of
fire
rating
forward
it
burned
through,
but
it's
the
it's
the
over.
The
top
is
where
you
get
it
so,
and.
C
F
Same
with
our
other
sites,
so
we
have
so
we
have
crews
that
maintain
the
the
grounds
I
mean
as
as
needed.
I
mean
they're
inspected
routinely
our
area
operators.
Are
there
all
the
time,
doing
basically
taking
readings
and
maintaining
doing
switching
on
occasion,
so
that
they're
sort
of
task
to
be
the
eyes
and
ears.
We
have
a
maintenance
schedule
for
every
single
one
of
these
sites.
I
know,
54
had
fallen,
Church
and
brown
had
fallen
off,
I
mean
I,
can't
help
myself,
sorry,
so
Church
and
Brown
had
fallen
off.
We
had
that.
We
ended
up.
F
We
were
aware
of
it,
the
before
mental
community,
meaning
that
it
was
it
had
weeds
grows
between
the
bushes
and
the
shrubs.
So
that's
been
all
all
taken
care
of.
It's
back
on
the
schedule.
Get
that
one
because
of
the
way
we
did
it
and
the
way
the
work
was
done.
The
landscaping
was
18
months,
delayed
and
being
finished
because
of
the
stopping
work,
the
time
of
the
time
when
we
were
doing
the
work
and
then
when
they
finished
the
wall,
so
that
was
just
a
gap
on
our
part
and.
A
F
D
A
F
F
That
I
mean
the
community
meeting
asks
for
lighting.
We
weren't,
you
know
we,
we
did.
We
added
it
at
Green
Bay,
because
it
was
requested
I,
think
here,
yeah
planning
and
zoning,
so
that's
I
mean
obviously
not
an
issue
for
us
there's
a
streetlight
we
can
do.
They
would
be
configured
to
be
down
inside
the
walls
so
that
right.
F
A
F
F
A
E
Okay,
so
when
I
Drive
past
this,
it's
really
ugly,
and
so
this
looks
so
much
better,
even
with
the
20-foot
wall.
I
can
only
hope
that
it,
you
know
this
trash
all
in
the
chain
link
fence
and
it's
just
really
not
maintained
now.
I
just
hope
that
that
would
be
better
for
the
people
when
you
do
this
improvement.
E
G
B
I
could
add
and
I
believe
that
question
did
did
come
up
at
some
point
in
the
discussion
and
I.
Don't
believe
it
would
work
from
comment
standpoint
on
the
the
inside
portion
of
the
wall
that
the
portion
adjacent
to
the
equipment,
which
would
be
the
portion
that
would
be
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way.
B
C
Think
that
this
is
an
improvement
overall
to
what's
there
and
driving
by
certainly
as
a
neighbor,
I
think
anything
that
can
be
done
to
improve
this
Lots
should
be
considered
I
drove
by
the
Church
Street
property
again
today,
because
I
wanted
to
see
okay.
What
do
these
things
look
like
finished
and
that
one?
C
You
know
that
one
looks
sort
of
as
shown
here,
and
it's
not
bad,
but
I
didn't
realize
how
much
lower
that
wall
was
when
I
look
at
the
scale
of
this
wall
as
it
relates
to
the
you
know
the
pedestrians
here,
it's
not
great,
but
I,
don't
know
that
there
is
an
alternative.
I
do
think
that
if
we
approve
this,
there
should
be
a
couple
of
conditions.
I
do
think
it
should
go
to
City
Council
with
you
know,
with
whatever
imaging
studies
you
know
they.
The
applicant
speaks
of
this
imaging
studies.
C
A
There
are
forum
liners,
and
so
they
can
just
put
different
forum
liners
in
at
different
levels.
What
that
might
mean
is
it
might
need
to
be
two
pores
rather
than
one,
and
they
know
that's
not
something
they're
used
to,
but
that
would
certainly
break
down
the
scale.
Alternatively,
there
are
other
ways
to
break
down
the
scale
of
that
wall
and
breaking
down
the
scale
is
going
to
help
make
it
feel
less
imposing
so
I
think
that's
a
beneficial
component
there,
so
I
have
to
agree
with
my
colleagues
here.
A
I
did
go
by
the
church
and
brown
one
again
and
that
wall
stuck
out
like
a
sore
thumb,
I
thought
we
didn't
see
a
wall
there
before.
So
it
was
good
to
hear
that
we
didn't
actually
approve
it
with
the
wall,
because
I
thought
I
am
losing
my
mind
so,
but
that
wall
does
look
nice
again.
It's
much
shorter
and
I
think
that
the
landscaping
and
opening
these
up
make
it
much
better
and
more
palatable
to
the
community.
A
So
with
that,
we
have
special
use
here
for
the
public
utility,
as
well
as
variances
for
the
material
and
the
height
of
the
fence.
So
let's
go
through
those
nine
standards
for
special
uses,
one.
It
is
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
It
is
so
that
standard
certainly
has
been
met.
Number
two:
it
is
in
keeping
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
adopted,
comprehensive
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
as
amended
from
time
to
time.
A
Certainly
increasing
the
effectiveness
of
public
service
delivery
is
in
keeping
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive
general
plan,
and
so
that
standard
has
certainly
been
met.
Number
three:
it
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
on
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
the
effect
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
upon
the
city
as
a
whole.
I
don't
believe
that
there
are
any
d
sienna
boxes
in
the
immediate
neighborhood.
It's
not
like.
A
We
have
a
congregation
of
them
happening
in
this
part
of
town.
They
are
spread
out
fairly
broadly
so
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
four:
it
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood,
although
it
is
an
imposing
wall
that
imposing
wall
is
certainly
better
than
a
chain-link
fence
with
guys
have
barbed
wire
on
the
top
there.
So
I
think
it
certainly
has
a
friendlier
feel
to
it,
and
the
landscaping
certainly
improves
the
of
the
area.
A
There
are
no
public
services
that
are
necessary
here,
since
you
are
the
public
utility.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
six.
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion,
that's
not
applicable
number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historical
and
architectural
resources,
which
is
not
applicable
number
eight.
It
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
features,
which
is
also
not
applicable
and
number
nine.
A
It
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
of
the
district
and
which
is
located
which
it
will
once
it
gets
a
permit
for
once
it
gets
a
the
the
variances
that
we're
going
to
go
over
next
these,
since
these
are
both
recommendations
to
City,
Council
I.
Think
I'd
still
like
to
do.
This
is
to
just
so
that
we
can
keep
the
conditions
clear,
I,
like
the
condition
of
lighting
I,
like
the
condition
of
trying
to
to
ameliorate
the
scale
of
this
thing
and
bring
it
to
a
more
pedestrian
friendly
scale,
and
there
was
one
other
one.
E
Okay
in
the
matter
of
4:15
Custer
Avenue,
one
8zm
JV
0:06
to
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
makes
a
recommendation
to
City
Council
with
the
following
conditions,
or
especially
use
for
special
use
with
the
following
conditions
that
they
consider
to
add
lighting
to
the
project
that
they
reconsider.
The
scale
of
the
project
that
someone
before
the
meeting
considers
the
thermographic
studies
and
that
they
guarantee
the
maintenance,
ongoing
maintenance
of
the
project.
D
A
And
with
that
that
goes
to
City
Council,
with
a
recommendation
for
approval,
we
will
now
consider
the
major
variations
which
are
for
a
concrete
fence
and
for
a
20-foot
fence,
so
number
one.
There
are
seven
of
these
and
the
first
one
is
the
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties,
as
it
is
now.
The
I
think
that
the
the
chain-link
fence
has
a
more
negative
impact
on
the
adjoining
properties.
A
The
wall
will
certainly
feel
better
if
you
can
break
down
the
scale
of
it
and
I
think
once
that
is
done,
it
will
certainly
not
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
adjoining
property.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met
with
that
condition
of
some
scale.
Some
architectural
interest
here
number
two:
the
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
his
owning
ordinance.
A
One
of
the
intents
of
the
zoning
ordinance
is
to
provide
for
her
adequately
for
public
facilities.
Upgrading
this
to
a
newer
system
that
is
more
reliable
with
parts
that
are
more
easily
replaced
and
gettable
certainly
is
in
keeping
with
that
intent.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
three,
the
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
A
We
do
have
a
very
small
piece
of
property
here
to
here:
that's
in
the
corner
and
in
order
to
keep
those
transformers
as
far
off
the
property
lines
off
the
alley
and
off
the
public
way
as
possible
that
really
kicks
the
transformer
back
into
the
corner,
which
is
driving
the
location
and
the
size
of
these
walls.
So
it
is
really
the
the
location
on
a
corner
and
its
proximity
to
other
buildings
that
is
driving.
All
of
this,
so
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
A
Number
four,
the
property
owner
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
as
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience.
If
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
or
do
each
carried
out
as
I
understand
it,
there's
no
there's
no
option
here.
Either
you
get
the
you
stay
with
what
they
have
or
you
get
what's
new,
and
if
we
stay
with
what
we
have,
then
we
stay
with
the
few
chain-link
fence
and
the
eyesore
that
is
currently
on
that
corner.
So
I
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met
number
five.
A
The
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property
or
there's
a
public
benefit,
since
this
is
a
a
public
utility
there's.
Clearly
a
public
benefits
of
providing
more
reliable
equipment
to
the
service
to
service
the
customers
in
the
area.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property,
the
size
of
the
property.
A
The
location
of
this,
the
location
of
on
the
lot
has
all
been
determined
prior
to
the
the
applicants
owning.
The
lot
is
my
guess,
so
it
was
sort
of
carved
out
at
a
certain
time,
and
so
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met
and
the
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation.
Among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
we
discussed
various
options
of
whether
there
were
other
options
for
getting
that
to
our
wall.
C
So
is
this
also
making
a
recommendation
to
City
Council?
That's:
okay!
Yes,
because
it's
tied
with
the
special
use
so
in
the
matter
and
I,
don't
believe
there
are
any
conditions
on
this.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct!
So,
in
the
matter
of
514
Custer
Avenue,
one
8zm
JV,
zero,
zero,
six
I
move
that
we
make
a
positive
recommendation
to
City
Council
for
the
major
zoning
relief
for
the
concrete
wall,
offense
that
is
20
feet
in
height.
C
A
Been
moved
and
seconded
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
opposed
and
with
that
the
variances
go
to
City
Council,
with
a
recommendation
for
approval
as
well.
Thank
you,
I
think
the
one
board
yeah.
We
don't
have
that
right
in
any
of
our
documents,
so
we're
gonna
call
that
applicants
be
and
thank
you
for
contributing
that
to
the
storage
here
in
City,
Hall
all
right.
Moving
on
to
413
Grove
Street.
A
B
B
So,
with
this
I'll
just
add,
staff
did
not
feel
that
the
minor
variation
as
proposed
met
all
the
standards
for
minor
variation,
notably
that
it
was
the
minimum
necessary
change,
and
so
with
that
staff
did
allow
for
in
the
zone
administrator
granted
the
partial
variation
which
was
about
a
seventy
square
foot
reduction
to
the
proposed
addition.
Part
of
this
had
to
do
with
reviewing
the
floor
plans
interior
floor
plans
for
those
addition
areas
the
kitchen
and
pantry
and
informal
dining
areas.
B
The
original
plan
submitted
for
that
variation
should
a
planter
interior
planter,
for
example,
within
a
portion
that
space
staff
did
not
feel
that
that
was
a
the
minimum
necessary
to
add
that
that
usable
square
footage
that
the
applicant
was
requesting.
So
that's
essentially
where
it
boiled
down
on
the
reasoning
for
the
the
partial
approval
and
partial
denial
that
that
concludes
a
summary.
The
staff
report
available
for
questions.
Thank
you
great.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
just
I'd
like
to
make
two
comments
before
we
start
down
this
path.
Just
because
I
saw
that
there
was
a
comment
about
how,
if
preservation,
approved
it
and
gave
us
a
recommendation
for
approval
that
we
should
approve
it
and
I
just
would
like
to
be
clear.
There
was
there
was
that
assertion
made
and
I'd
like
to
be
clear
that
we
follow
a
different
set
of
rules
than
preservation.
There
are,
as
you've
heard
me,
just
go
through
them.
A
There
are
seven
standards
for
a
variance
and
they
have
to
meet
each
and
every
one
of
those
and
if
you
don't
meet
each
and
every
one
of
those,
then
there's
a
recommendation
for
a
denial.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that
before
we
before
we
go
down
this
path.
Okay,
so
tell
us
I
forget
how
we
do
Appeals.
We
don't
want
them
to
tell
us
the
whole
story
right,
because
we're
really
just
trying
to
go
down
figure
out.
If
what
the
determination
you
made
at
that
time
was
fair.
A
B
A
H
H
Well,
I
think
I
think
this.
This
picture
just
kind
of
shows
the
back
of
the
of
the
property
and
the
current
situation
with
the
open
kind
of
porch
the
storm
cellar
entrance,
the
mudroom
off
the
back
and
the
basic
kind
of
hodgepodge
of
things
that
have
happened
over
the
years.
I
think
the
additional
pantry
was
stuck
on
at
some
point.
You
can
see
an
area
above
the
left
side
of
the
of
the
picture
here,
where
the
a
chimney
used
to
go
up
up
there.
So
this
is
all
aluminum
siding.
H
H
413
Grove
is
here.
The
co
at
large,
co-op
and
apartment
complex
are
across
this
across
the
street,
at
411,
a
comparable
property
and
a
similar
style
and
vintage
of
house
has
a
garage
in
the
back
recently
had
a
five
foot
addition
added
to
the
back
of
the
house
to
upgrade
their
kitchen,
and
you
can
see
you
know
that
at
home
is
is
there
our
home
is
sorry.
H
H
You
can
see
here
kind
of
the
before
and
after
the
dark.
Dark
area
is
the
space
that
we
requested
for
improvement
with
it
with
the
addition,
I
think,
there's
a
picture,
maybe
here
of
the
3d
version
of
this
that
has
been
updated
with
the
windows
and
skylight
that
would
comprise
the
area
for
the
for
the
kitchen
in
the
original
application.
H
The
infamous
planter
was
included
in
this
drawing
and
kind
of
have
to
have
this
one.
That's
it's
on
its
side,
but
essentially
this
is
a
picture
showing
the
kitchen
as
it
exists
today
with
about
I,
don't
know
two
or
three
feet
between
the
2
foot
wide
island
and
the
wall
and
the
in
the
back
current
back
wall.
H
I've
got
this
got
this
right,
so
the
planter
will
show
I'm
from
here
to
here.
It's
about
18,
inches
wide
and
runs
just
in
the
kitchen
portion
of
the
of
the
project
from
from
here
to
here.
So
I
think.
That's
enough
context.
If
you
guys
have
kind
of
looked
over
the
plan,
you
can
kind
of
see
what
happened
and
with
that
maybe
I
could
ship.
H
H
D
H
So
this
is
kind
of
the
testimony
I
want
to
give
here
and
just
kind
of
go
through
a
little
bit
of
the
history
of
what
what's
happened,
and
why
I
believe
that
the
appeals
board
should
grant
the
rezoning
relief
that
we
originally
applied
for
the
original
plan
started.
Almost
a
year
ago,
we
had
Michael
take
a
look
at
the
early
plans,
along
with
the
architect
that
we
had
at
that
point.
H
H
We
ended
up
changing
architects
and
we
had
a
new
design
that
eliminated
the
planner
included.
Table
chairs,
taking
care
of
the
estimated
room
for
the
family.
Gatherings
in
future
needs
Carlos
Ruiz,
as
we
prepared
for
a
Preservation
Committee
meeting
the
first
one
in
May
suggested
that
we
reduce
the
east
side
of
the
house
to
allow
kind
of
visual
setback
along
the
the
exterior
wall,
which
further
reduced
the
lot
coverage
by
five
square
feet
at
the
Preservation
Committee.
On
the
eighth.
H
They
requested
an
addition
of
a
roof
over
the
side,
porch
and
a
column
that
would
kind
of
match
the
look
and
feel
of
the
house
in
the
front,
and
they
asked
for
some.
There
were
some
variations
because
of
the
speed
with
which
all
this
was
happening,
some
differences
between
the
drawings
and
the
3d
drawing,
and
they
asked
us
to
clarify
those
as
well.
H
H
Carlos
was
unable
to
attend
the
meeting
that
was
planned
at
that
point
and
I
think
there
may
be
a
shortage
or
budget
issues,
but
somehow
there,
both
Carlos
and
Michael
are
spending
time
on
the
permit
desk
and
he
was
not
there.
When
the
meeting
took
place.
That's
partly
why
I
believe
there
was
potentially
some
incomplete
and
perhaps
inaccurate
information
that
resulted
in
the
variance
being
denied
for
the
full
addition
in
the
notes
that
you've
seen
presented
here
that
talks
about
the
variation
and
not
meeting
the
standard.
H
The
reference
is
made
a
couple
of
times
to
the
planter,
and
so
specifically,
it
translates
into
the
70
square-feet
that
they
thought
that
the
platter
comprised
the
reality
is
that
even
in
the
old
design,
the
planter
was
only
in
the
kitchen
portion
not
across
the
entire
back
of
the
home
and
would
have
resulted
in
33
square
feet.
So
it
would
have
been
less
than
half
of
the
amount
that
was
denied.
H
The
planter
was
removed
after
careful
assessment
by
our
new
architect
to
provide
just
enough
space
for
the
family
table
and
chairs
on
the
north
side
of
the
table,
and
then
a
third
point
is
that
the
Zoning
Administrator
did
not
recognize
the
setback
on
the
east
side,
which
again
provided
another
five
square
feet
of
reduction
of
lot
coverage
when
I
realized.
What
had
happened,
I
attempted
to
talk
to
Michael
and
see
if
it
was
possible
to
meet
with
the
administrator
and
determine
what
had
happened
and
and
explain
the
error
and,
and
it
wasn't
wasn't
possible.
H
H
H
Well
again,
I
don't
know
whether
the
fact
that
she
got
a
variation
for
her.
Her
addition,
comparable
size
lot
makes
a
difference
to
the
board
or
not,
but
I
would
say
that
in
closing,
the
neighbors
are
supportive
of
it.
And
finally,
as
you
see
at
the
bottom,
we're
respectfully
requesting
that
the
board
grant
the
zoning
relief
on
the
basis
that
it
does
meet
the
standards
of
minor
variation
and
efforts
have
been
made
to
make
it
to
the
least
deviation
that
is
needed.
H
A
A
Okay,
so
on
the
west
wall,
there's
a
door
and
a
planter,
a
doors
about
three
feet
of
planters
about
two
feet.
So
the
dimension
on
the
south
side
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
is
twelve
foot
eight
and
a
half
it's
hard
to
read.
But
you
can
see
it.
A
Asia
right
so
in
the
next
plan
we
take
out
a
2
foot
planter
and
that
dimension
is
still
12
foot
9.
How
do
we
take
out
2
feet
of
a
planter
and
still
end
up
with
the
same
dimension?
A
A
A
A
A
A
I
If
you
have
a
pantry
and
you
have
a
closet,
you're
gonna
put
your
boots.
You're
gonna
put
all
of
your
vacuum
cleaners
your,
but
none
of
that
is
shown
your
honor
that
showing
I
know,
but
it
just
says,
met
pantry
in
closet.
Can
you
not
you
know
it's
so
interesting,
there's
nothing
else.
There
there's
nothing!
No
other
place
to
put
it
Meredith.
C
Can
we
step
back
for
just
a
second
instead
of
getting
lost
in
the
dimensions
which
I'm
having
a
very
hard
time
in
seeing
on
these
drawings?
Can
you
just
tell
us
how
this
space
is
going
to
be
used?
What
are
the
functions
that
will
be
used
that
be
contained
in
this
addition.
I
Right
now
it's
it's
a
very
short
kitchen.
It's
you
know
like
12
feet,
long,
okay,
we
have
an
island
in
there
and
we'd
like
to
have
a
place
to
have
family
and
a
casual
dining
and
to
take
away
the
2
feet.
That
was
there.
If
you
put
in
a
tech,
we
measured
the
size
of
the
table,
we
measured
the
chair,
we
measured
the
chair.
On
the
other
side,
we
measured
the
distance
that
you
need
to
get
around
the
table.
I
It
really
should
be
bigger
than
what
we're
asking
okay,
where
we've
made
every
effort
to
make
it
as
small
as
we
can.
We
took
off
the
side
on
the
east
we
took
out
on
the
west,
we
didn't
want.
The
historical
committee
to
you
know
add
space
to
it.
We
were
mindful
of
your
desire
to
have
it
the
smallest
we
can
get.
You
guys
should
be
asking
for
more
of
a
I'm
just
saying
that
space
there
for
a
table
is
really
very
small.
Okay,.
C
I
C
C
H
The
on
the
idea
that
the
planter
calculation
was
erroneous
from
the
beginning
I
mean
you
can
see
that
even
in
the
old
drawing
there
it
doesn't
go
across
the
entire
back
of
the
house,
so
it
no.
There
was
never
a
point
where
70
feet
should
have
been
asked
to
be
taken
out
of
the
original
design.
Based
on
that
particular
issue,
which
is
where
the
where
the
Planning
Group
Zoning
group
kind
of
went
with
it.
A
D
B
The
code
so
that
the
planter
was
a
portion
of
it
additionally,
and
just
looking
at
the
plans,
we
thought
there
was
extra
space
within
the
plans
that
did
not
result
in
it
being
the
minimum
necessary.
There
could
be
several
ways
that
the
applicant
could
reduce
square
footage
from
the
space
that
that
staff
and
then,
ultimately,
the
domain
Zoning
Administrator
felt,
could
still
be
usable
space
for
the
plans
that
were
submitted
at
that
time.
B
C
I
We
had
three
three
days:
oh
okay,
go
ahead,
one
we
had
the
initially
Michael
wanted
us
to
reduce
it
on
the
west
side
by
a
certain
amount,
we
reduced
it
more.
Okay,
we
didn't
have
to
reduce
it.
What
he
recommended
we'd
read
it
wanted
to
do
more
because
we
felt
we
could
do
that.
So
we
were
trying
to
be
faithful.
Then
we
were
asked
to
do
it
on
the
east
side.
I
We
also
reduce
it
on
the
east
side
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
table,
we're
really
not
asking
what
we
really
should
have
another
six
inches
to
really
make
somebody
be
able
to
go
around
that
table,
so
we've
reduced
it.
That
way.
I
mean
I
really
do
want
to
do
the
minimum
that
we
can.
We
respect
the
the
zoning
to
do
that.
We've
really
tried
our
best.
If
and
when
you
boil
it
down
in
terms
of
the
70
feet
and
you're,
taking
away
what
it
really
is.
It's
like
35
square
feet.
C
I
I
A
A
To
just
hang
on
a
second
that's
for
a
major
variance,
which
you
asked
a
question:
if
your
husband
ends
up
in
a
wheelchair,
what
happens,
then
you
have
to
make
modifications
inside
your
house
within
the
footprint.
That's
how
that
works.
This
is
a
minor
variants
that
you're
asking
for,
and
so
there
are
a
different
set
of
standards.
That
hardship
is
not
necessarily
one
of
those
standards.
It's.
H
The
standard
that's
not
being
met
is
that
that
there's
not
the
least,
very
least,
deviation
of
the
applicant
regulation
of
unfeasible
options
right.
The
staff
determined
that
building
lot
coverage
of
33.1,
which
just
happens
to
be
70
feet,
which
is
the
amount
that
they
ascribe
to
the
planter,
was
sufficient
to
meet
the
purpose
of
the
appellant.
It
doesn't
say
the
property,
it's
the
it
pays,
it's
us
so
there's
somebody's
making
a
judgment
that
we
don't
need
that
space.
The
planter
was
considered
to
be
over-the-top
unnecessary
whatever
and
irritating
to
all
things.
Zoning-
and
you
know.
A
There
are
rules,
we're
trying
to
stay
within
yeah
and
the
reason
you
love
Evanston
is
because
we
are
adamant
about
those
rules
and
we
and
we
we
back
them
up
and
we
enforce
them
as
best.
We
can
and
have
people
give
us
a
really
good
reason
why
they
want
to
change
them
right.
That's
why
you
love
Evanston,
because
it's
not
crazy
overbuilt.
A
So
in
this
particular
case
there
is
a
standard.
There's
a
general
standard
within
the
within
the
planning
community
about
what
a
the
least
deviation
necessary
is,
and
the
least
deviation
is
enough
to
get
it
to
work.
The
way
it
was
so
that
first
plan
you
gave
him
right
had
the
dining
area
in
a
different
place
right,
so
that
whole
area
was
just
walkway.
You
have
a
walkway
with
a
two-foot
planter.
You
don't
need
a
two-foot
planner
in
a
walkway.
You.
A
H
That's
not
the
way
it
went
at
all.
We
didn't
have
a
judgement
from
that
from
him.
At
that
point,
it
didn't
happen
until
after
the
second,
we
weren't,
no,
we
weren't
applying
for
this
formally
until
after
we
got
the
second
approval
or
the
second
meeting
and
the
first
final
approval,
unanimous
approval
from
their
store
commission.
A
A
I
You
know
made
their
recommendations
first,
as
I
understand
right,
but
Carlos
never
got
to
present
to
him
what
the
real
plan
was
and
we
we
apologize
for
not
getting
that
right,
but
I
think
that
had
he,
the
zoning
committee
heard
from
Carlos
and
realized
what
it
was
and
also
the
miscalculation
on
the
zoning
part
of
the
70
square
foot.
I
think
that
was
all
that
was.
It
was
just
a
but.
D
A
H
And
in
this
case,
Carlos
said
he
was
going
to
be
present
when
they
talked
about
it,
he
was
going
to
show
it
show
the
new
the
updated
plans,
all
that
took
place
actually
prior
to
the
first
historic
commission
meeting
the
3d
drawing
was
done
by
the
new
architect
for
the
first
meeting,
so
that
was
in
that
would
have
been
in
May
and
May.
So.
A
Right
so
sorry,
so
Scott
was
just
sharing
with
me.
The
the
set
of
drawings
that
was
in
the
preservation
plan
packet
is
that
first
plan.
That's
what
you
submitted
to
preservation
is
the
plan
with
the
planter
box
and
the
informal
family
dining
and
the
expanded
kitchen.
That
was
what
was
presented
to
preservation,
but.
A
A
D
A
But
what
you
presented
to
preservation
and
what
you
presented
today
to
the
Zoning
Administrator,
is
that
first
plan
with
the
planter
and
that's
how
the
determination
is
made.
You
don't
nobody
needs
a
planter
when
you're
asking
for
a
variance
a
planter
isn't
necessary
when
you're
asking
for
a
variance
a
room
for
a
kitchen
table,
that's
reasonable!
That's
normal
human
beings.
A
kitchen
table
is
reasonable.
It's
the
planter,
that's
not
necessary.
Okay,
you.
A
So
we
can
take
into
account
that
there
was
a
mistake
made
on
your
part
in
the
way
that
the
paperwork
was
done
right,
because
that
that's
the
nut
of
all
of
this
is
that
you
guys
made
a
paperwork
mistake
that
didn't
make
sure
that
that
paperwork
got
through
to
the
Zoning
Administrator
with
the
correct
plan.
That's
true,
I.
I
A
Still,
it's
not
the
incorrect
plan.
What
you
have
to,
what
we
have
to
do
is
is:
is
the
Zoning
administrators
decision
based
upon
the
documents
he
had,
which
was
that
first
plan?
Did
he
rule
correctly?
That's
the
first
thing
we
have
to
do.
The
second
thing
we
can
do
if
we
choose
to
is
to
give
them
a
variance
of
some
sort,
so
he's
already,
given
them
a
variance.
It's
just
70
square
feet
less,
which.
D
A
Nothing
in
the
plan
of
this
I
mean
seriously
it's
an
11
by
12
foot
pantry
with
70
square
feet.
So
the
question
is
so
they've
already
got
a
variance.
They've
got
a
variance
with
just
without
the
70
square
feet.
So
do
we
then
say
yep?
That
was
we
want
to
give
them
more
because
there
was
a
math
error,
or
do
we
say
that
that's
enough,
so
that's
those
are
the
that's
where
we
go
after
we
affirm
or
deny
that
the
Zoning
Administrator
made
a
correct
decision.
So.
A
E
I
I
A
B
C
C
I
guess
is
my
first
question
and
is
there
a
possibility
that
there
was
some
miscommunication
between
you
know,
zoning
staff
and
preservation
staff
and
how
this
was
you
know
sort
of
handed
often
in
information
presented
internally,
while
the
applicant
acknowledged
that
there
was
some
paperwork
on
there
and
like
can
you
shed
some
light
on
any
of
this
based
on
the
testimony
you
heard
this
evening?
Yes,.
B
As
far
as
the
plans,
there
might
have
to
take
a
look
at
that
into
a
little
bit
more.
As
far
as
discussion,
the
Preservation
Commission
itself,
I
did
not
believe
discussed
the
interior
layout
of
the
floor
plans,
which
is,
would
be
typical
for
their
their
purview
they're
generally
looking
at
the
exterior
the
building,
they
do
make
recommendations
on
variations,
including
minor
variations.
However,
they're
kind
of
lenss,
if
you
may,
that
they're
looking
at,
is
not
looking
at
that
minimum
necessary
based
on
interior
floor
plans.
B
B
I
will
note
there
is
a
separate
dining
room
on
the
first
floor,
so
you
know
there
certainly
are
our
houses
and
evanston
have
both
two
different
places
for
dining,
but
that
may
not
be
necessarily
that
the
minimum
necessary
that
you
need
to
have
those
two
different
places
to
for
for
dining.
But
that's.
B
B
G
A
G
C
Based
on
my
understanding
of
what
was
presented
this
evening,
I
think
that
my
position
right
now
would
be
to
uphold
the
decision
of
the
Zoning
Administrator
on
what
was
initially
presented.
Based
on
my
understanding
on
what
is
sort
of
plan
to
I
believe
that
the
applicant
has
sort
of
followed
the
spirit
of
trying
to
minimize
the
impact
here.
E
D
C
C
A
Excellent,
so
you
guys
all
will
know
after
9
years
on
this
board
that
the
minimum
change
necessary
is
one
of
the
Holy
Grails
for
me
and,
quite
frankly,
a
pantry
closet
that
is
twelve
nine
by
eleven,
which
is
as
large
as
their
dining
room
and
a
half
as
big
as
their
living
room
seems
out
of
scale.
To
me
with
this
house,
Marybeth.
C
May
I
just
didn't
sure
I
interject
that
I
also
want
to
be
aware
of
I
guess
semantics
here.
So
what
is
labeled
a
pantry?
We
have
testimony
from
the
applicant
that
its
uses
a
pantry,
a
mudroom
storage.
So
there's
an
issue
of
semantics
here
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
get
entirely
wrapped
on
there.
A
Isn't
there
isn't,
because
testimony
is
based
on
in
substantial
compliance
with
the
plans
and
documents
on
file,
the
plans
and
documents
on
file
show
an
empty
room
that
could
be
a
bedroom
that
could
be
an
office
that
could
be
anything.
There
are
no
demising
walls
in
there.
There
are
no
windows,
I
mean
there
are
no
doors.
There
are
no
cabinet
trees,
there's
no
rooms
that
are
labeled,
there's
nothing
in
there.
That
tells
me
that
that's
how
they're
gonna
use
it.
A
There
is
nothing
in
there
that
tells
me
how
they're
gonna
use
it,
so
they
can
use
it.
However,
it
could
be
a
family
room
for
all.
We
know
which
is
great,
if
that's
what
they
want,
but
then
call
it
a
family
room,
it's
just
so
from
that
perspective,
when
it
becomes
a
pantry
closet
that
is
as
big
as
a
master
bedroom
in
Evanston
I
do
not
find
that
to
be
the
minimum
change
necessary.
A
I
think
that
there
are
some
options
here
that
you
know
you
take
five
feet
off
the
side
of
that,
and
now
it's
a
five
foot,
pantry
closet,
that's
more
in
the
realm
of
what
we
know
of.
As
a
pantry
closet,
mudroom,
a
five
foot
wide
room
that
has
a
closet
on
one
end
and
it's
got
cabinets
and
and
boot
benches
and
lockers,
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff
and
then
some
shelves
for
all
the
pantry
goods
I.
A
A
So
what
we're
gonna
first
do
is
we're
gonna
go
through
upholding
the
upholding
or
denying
affirming
or
denying
the
zoning
administrators
require
determination
which
is
based
on
four
standards
for
a
minor
variance
which
five
will
get
there.
I
don't
do
minor,
variances,
a
b
c
d
and
sure
enough.
It's
five.
There
are
five
of
them
and
one
a
the
practical
difficulty
is
not
self-created.
A
The
Zoning
Administrator
found
that
that
standard
had
been
met
and
I
agree
with
that,
because
the
clients
had
bought
the
house
in
its
current
location
and
the
the
the
lot
had
been
subdivided
been
plaited
long
before
they
purchased
the
house
number
two.
The
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
used
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
The
Zoning
Administrator
found
that
this
standard
had
been
met.
I
agree
with
that,
because
they
do
think
it's
a
nice
addition.
It
looks
very
nice.
A
It
will
certainly
increase
the
value
of
adjacent
properties
and
will
certainly
increase
the
value
of
your
property
C.
The
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
comprehensive
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
Zoning
Administrator
found
that
that
standard
had
been
met
and
I
certainly
do
as
well.
We
one
of
the
things
that
the
comprehensive
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
is
to
allow
you
to
increase
your
lot.
Your
building
size,
as
is
necessary
by
changes
in
the
way
that
people
live.
Certainly
nobody
had
eatin
kitchens.
A
Fifty
years
ago,
a
hundred
years,
your
house
is
very
old,
so
he
didn't
have
an
eat-in
kitchen
a
hundred
years
ago.
They
didn't
have
a
mudroom
a
hundred
years
ago.
They
didn't
have
any
of
that
I'm
surprised
it
has
a
kitchen
so
making
those
modifications
to
bring
your
house
up
to
today's
standard
is
certainly
within
the.
The
is
certainly
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
general
plan
and
the
zoning
Lauren's,
so
I
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met
as
well
d.
The
requested
variation
is
consistent
with
the
preservation
policies
set
forth
in
the
comprehensive
general
plan.
A
I'm,
not
exactly
clear
what
the
preservation
policies
are,
but
my
guess
is
that
we're
trying
to
keep
houses
rather
than
having
them
be
torn
down,
so
staff
found
that
that
standard
had
been
met
and
I
do
as
well
and
the
last
one
is.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
Zoning
Administrator
eppie
issues.
A
His
or
her
decision
staff
found
that
that
planter
box
was
not
a
requirement
for
getting
a
kitchen
table
into
that
space
being
that
an
eat-in
kitchen
with
a
little
bit
more
space
and
providing
some
additional
space
for
a
pantry
or
a
mudroom.
So
I
believe
that
the
Zoning
Minister
was
correct
in
his
findings
on
that
on
that
standard.
So,
given
that
is
there
a
motion
and
because
none
of
you
disagreed
with
me,
you
all
agreed
with
me
right
so,
and
this
is
just
a
motion
just
to
affirm
or
deny
the
zoning
administrators
decision.
I'll.
C
A
C
C
A
Been
moved
and
seconded
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
opposed,
nay,
with
a
vote
of
three
to
one.
You
will
unfortunately
have
to
wait
until
our
next
meeting
when
we
have
three
more
yeah,
three
more
board
members
and
they
will
listen
to
everything,
we've
said
and
then
they
will
vote
on
that.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
appreciate
that
you
guys
don't
have
to
come
to
the
next
meeting.
What
you
don't
have
to,
because
I
know
this,
isn't
that
exciting.
D
A
A
B
This,
in
this
case
the
Zoning
Board
appeals
a
recommending
body
because
there's
a
parking
variation
involved.
So
there's
recommendation,
City,
Council
who's,
the
determining
body
on
it,
city,
staff
and
dapper
have
recommended
have
reviewed
this
case.
Dapper
by
a
vote
of
five
to
four
did
recommend
approval
other
variations.
As
noted
in
the
staff
report
there
there
are.
D
B
Included
dialogue,
that's
occurred
between
staff
and
the
applicant
about
suggested
revisions
over
the
course
of
the
project,
but
the
official
recommendation
was
for
approval.
That
concludes
the
summary.
The
staff
report
with
the
attachments
that
included,
including
the
application
for
the
variation
the
zoning
analysis
apply
to
survey
plans
transcript
from
a
2009
variation.
It
was
granted
on
this
property
information
about
the
property,
including
the
street
view,
aerial
view,
zoning
map
and
dapper
it's
from
the
two
meetings
of
August
22nd
August
29th.
Thank.
A
You
before
we
get
started
I
would
just
like
to
say
that,
since
we
are
recommending
body,
if
you
feel
at
any
time,
you
would
like
to
ask
for
a
continuance
to
get
the
other
board
members
here
so
that
you
can
go
to
stat
and
go
to
City
Council
with
a
full
recommendation
or
a
full
denial,
because
a
vote
of
anything
that
is
not
a
majority
goes
with.
No
recommendation.
Be.
B
J
B
B
Article
I'm,
sorry
I,
don't
think
if
I
article
10
of
the
CBA
rules,
section
5
reads
it:
when
the
board
is
a
recommend,
recommend
Tory
to
the
City
Council,
the
matter
shall
be
decided
by
majority
of
the
quorum
present.
Okay
and
the
event,
a
majority
votes
not
reached
in
that
case.
So
in
this
instance,
if
it
was
a
two
to
vote
for
example
right,
then
it
would
go
without
a
recommendation.
If
it
were
a
three
one
vote
of
the
four
president,
it
would
go
with
recommendation
understand.
A
K
Man,
Matthew
Cooper
to
K
you
PRI
TZ,
from
k2
studio,
edges
to
the
offices,
three
to
nine
West,
18th,
Street,
Chicago,
Illinois
and
I'm.
Also
here
with
Nicole
Pinkard
owner
of
the
property,
were
the
architects
doing
the
work
on
the
project
and
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
make
one
small
possible
adjustment,
because
my
understanding
from
Michael
Griffith
is
that
our
breakout
for
the
lot
coverage
is
actually
forty.
K
Four
point
four
or
forty
four
point:
five
percent,
not
fifty
percent,
our
drawing
still
reflect
the
50
I'm,
not
sure
it'll
constitute
a
drastic
enough
difference,
but
ultimately
it's
better
than
what's
actually
in
the
drawings,
and
that
was
from
the
standpoint
of
Michael,
Griffith
and
I
thought
he
was
going
to
update
his
information
to
you.
That's
why
I
was
just
surprised
to
hear
the
50%
is.
B
K
When
that
was
our
record
or
apologize
for
that,
that
was
our
miscalculation
by
way
of
the
again
the
difference
being
the
rear,
porch,
but
there's
a
couple
of
drawings.
One
of
them
shows
areas
broken
out,
for
example,
which
we
can
go
to
and
all
those
areas
are
accurate,
nothing
to
offer.
It's
changed
in
any
way
other
than
Michaels
standpoint
on
what
our
actual
lack
coverage
was.
K
K
Know
I'll
try
to
be
brief
and
then
I
can
more
than
happy
to
back
up
to
the
extent
that
it's
helpful
necessary
whatever.
But
the
long
and
short
of
the
reason
we're
here
is
really
constituted
by
a
problem
that
was
created
by
the
previous
owner
of
the
property,
which
actually
mean
how
do
I
advance
quicker.
K
So
that
is
I'll.
Stick
with
that,
just
for
a
quick
second
to
say
that
Nicole's
property,
the
owners
property,
is
right
in
the
park
and,
more
recently,
a
number
of
years
ago
was
discovered
that
the
sanitary
districts,
property
Lyon,
was
what
you
see
there,
that
sort
of
sloped
angled
line
north
is
up
and
what
it
did
is
it
sort
of
bisected
the
property
and
reduced
sort
of
workable
area,
and
because
of
that,
the
previous
owner
had
gone
in
and
in
2009.
K
They're,
ultimately,
what
was
built
there
were
two
complications.
One
is
that
the
driveway
ultimately
extended
over
the
that
diagonal
line
there,
which
is
the
property
line
that
separates
a
sanitary
district
which
is
in
the
park
and
the
property
of
nicole's
and
again,
all
this
prior
to
anything
to
do
with
her
when
she
bought
the
property.
K
This
was
an
existing
condition,
and
so
this
sits
on
property
that
sold
me
not
hers,
and
when
that
was
understood
from
the
previous
owner,
they
went
in
with
a
plan
that
was
approved
that,
basically
again,
they
built
it
beyond
what
they
asked,
but
they
had
a
driveway
that
ran
into
here
into
a
garage.
The
garage
then
had
doors
in
the
rear.
There
was
a
parking
pad
in
the
back.
You
were
to
drive
through
turn
around
and
come
back
out.
K
This
property
by
the
way
has
no
alley
access
that
was
eliminated
back
in
1952
and
there's
also
an
electric
pole
with
stays
that
stabilized
the
pole,
and
that's
also
back
here
on
top
of
it.
But
there's
no
way
to
go
out
the
rers
the
point,
so
they
understood
that
everyone
understood
that
and
they
came
off
of
the
cul-de-sac
in
and
into
the
garage
clarification.
K
A
K
Of
it
so
so
again
and
one
of
things
they
did
is
they
submitted
a
permit
for
the
garage
in
the
rear
and
it
was
approved,
but
they
never
pulled
it
if
I
understand
right
and
so
then
they
built
it,
but
it
was
also
inspected
by
the
city.
I've
talked
to
Dean
Mosca,
who
I
know
well,
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
with
him
got
inspected.
D
K
I'm,
pretty
sure,
was
the
one
that
actually
looked
at
the
concrete
as
well,
and
that's
only
relevant
because
there's
an
existing
foundation.
We
are
looking
this
that's
in
good
shape
and
by
Dean's
comment
alone,
the
framing
the
foundation
all
in
excellent
shape,
and
you
know
he
they
looked
at
it
I.
So
that's
a
that.
My
understanding
is
factual.
He
certainly
stated
it
to
us
and
I've
met
with
Melissa
I've
met
with
Michael
Griffith
I've
met
with
Dean
so
again
we're
ultimately
making
some
changes.
K
Obviously,
but
just
the
context
is
that
this
was
it
created
a
weird
condition
to
say
the
least,
and
and
ultimately
it
translated
to
being
conveyed
to
Nicole
that
well,
you
have
a
problem
and
the
problem.
First,
unfortunately,
just
back
up
to
say
the
garage
has
built
I,
think
I
believe
from
most
people's
standpoint
and
I
believe
that's,
including
when
we
went
in
to
review
this
with
Melissa
and
Michael
Griffith.
K
It
doesn't
work,
they
also
didn't
build
it
quite
the
way
that
the
drawings
show,
because
they
had
doors
in
the
rear
and
the
idea
was
to
go
out
to
a
parking
pad
flip
the
car
around
and
some
twenty
point
turn
and
come
back
out
or
honestly.
I've
been
doing
this
for
now.
Twenty
five
years
I
hit,
there's
no
vehicle
maneuver,
but
that's
insane
I,
don't
know
how
it
got
approved,
but
it
did
and
it
just
doesn't
function
and
by
that
I
mean.
K
So
well,
the
concept
was
to
solve
a
problem
which
is
parking
which
is
understandable,
and
it's
just
it's
not
practical
to
a
point
where
no
one's
ever
used
it
as
a
garage
because
it's
just
not
feasible
to
use
it
as
such,
and
so
with
that
understanding
our
agreement
on
that
as
well,
the
idea
was:
how
do
we
get
parking
which
is
really
mandated
and
to
provide
it?
So
the
end
result
that
you'll
see
in
a
second
is
different
options,
but
also
need
to
put
a
garage.
K
K
So
the
question
was
how
to
resolve
the
problem.
So
let
me
just
lay
the
groundwork.
Real,
quick
on
just
a
few
simple
things.
One
is
that
the
house
has
a
few
restrictions
that
come
with
it
in
regards
to
what
Nicole
needs
to
do
for
her
to
be
able
to
function
in
the
house.
She
just
recently
bought
it
and
a
lot
of
that
centers
on
accessibility.
K
She
has
one
mother
who
lives
in
the
house
she's
here
and
one
mother
that
can't
visit,
but
they
want
her
to
visit,
who
was
completely
wheelchair,
bound
both
have
accessibility
issues
and,
more
recently,
also
there's
a
couple
nieces
that
are
also
be
moving
in
two
nieces.
So
part
of
what
we're
talking
about
is
not
only
then
trying
to
provide
parking
but
trying
to
provide
accessibility
as
part
of
that
and
so
the
new
garage.
The
idea
is
to
get
it
large
enough,
although
we've
diminished
it
and
I,
we
work
a
lot
with
government
institutions.
K
K
What
we
can
do
is
utilize
the
existing
side
porch
as
an
entry
both
for
the
garage
for
the
main
entrance-
and
you
know,
I'll-
get
to
something
else
in
a
moment,
but
it
frees
up
the
need
to
rework
the
house
itself
a
little
bit
regards
the
bedrooms
so,
but
the
end
result
is
everybody
enters
the
same
spot,
there's
no
differentiation
between
somebody,
who's,
wheelchair-bound
or
not.
There's
no
differentiation
for
that
matter
between
garage
and
pedestrian.
It's
all
off.
K
This
main
area
and
this
porch
allows
for
a
little
bit
of
a
buffer,
there's
windows
that
are
here
existing,
so
we
can
maintain
light
invent
again.
We
can
consolidate
the
walk,
allow
a
little
more
green,
there's
adjacent
property
right
here.
This
is
the
park
and,
as
a
result,
you
also
remove
some
of
the
hard
paving
and
push
it
away
from
the
neighboring
house.
One
other
thing
that
in
the
process
of
getting
accessibility
going
is
the
main
level.
K
The
idea
is
to
make
that
whole
area
workable,
so
they
someone
can
navigate
on
a
level
that
you're
not
having
to
worry
about
stairs
once
you're
into
the
house.
So
there
are
two
bedrooms
in
front:
one
is
a
permanent
bedroom
of
her
mother,
one
mother
and
the
other
mother.
Is
there
some
of
the
time
and
is
in
this
bedroom
here,
and
we
need
the
full
width
to
make
those
bedrooms
work?
There's
an
existing
stair.
That
kind
of
makes
this
very
narrow.
We've
had
a
conversation
about
various
permutations
in
the
dabber
meeting.
K
You
put
a
garage
in
the
first
place,
the
only
real
available
space
was
this
front
area
and
because
of
diagonal
coming
across,
even
if
it
was
the
two-car
garage
we'd
have
the
identical
problem.
The
reason
we're
asking
for
one
car
is
because
we
need
the
width
because
of
accessibility,
but
the
diagonal
creates
it
where
it's
tapirs.
K
As
it
goes
towards
the
back,
there's
just
no
width
to
work
with
so
as
a
result,
that's
what
we've
pushed
the
garage
as
far
forward
in
this
case
to
line
with
the
front
porch
we
looked
and
showed
studies
of
a
pushing
back.
It
just
doesn't
function
as
a
garage.
We
just
need
tapers
down
too
much.
So
in
the
end,
this
is
just
a
little
better
detail.
The
plan
with
getting
the
small
deck
area,
the
we've
diminished
a
little
bit
the
existing
footprint
of
the
garage
to
allow
for
a
better
setback
off
the
park.
K
This
setback
is
the
existing
footprint
of
the
garage
and
is
maintained.
That
was
a
setback
that
was
approved
back
in
2009
and
the
same
when
the
porch
was
all
approved.
But
of
course
what
was
not
was
the
garage.
So
one
of
the
questions
was
how
to
diminish
lock
coverage
when
it
came
up
in
the
dapper,
and
we
have
an
existing
garage,
we're
just
reusing.
K
We've
shrunk
it
a
little
bit
and
we
have
a
garage
we're
adding
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
sentiment
from
our
end
is
there's
almost
no
way
not
to
increase
lock
coverage.
If
you
want
a
garage
outside
of
more
extreme,
somewhat
absurd
resolutions,
like
you
know,
ramping
down
into
the
basement
of
the
garages
or
the
house,
it
is
what
it
is,
which
is
to
say
we
have
to
add
some
footprint
to
get
the
garage
there's
almost
no
way
we
can
avoid
adding
light
coverage.
So
we
made
every
effort
to
minimize
it.
A
You
guys
consider
getting
rid
of
the
garage
you
know,
because
we
gave
a
variance
for
garage
and
now
you're
asking
for
a
variance
for
another
garage
and
so
sort
of
the
swap
of
one
garage
for
another
right,
so
get
rid
of
the
the
lot
area.
The
building
lot
coverage
on
that
garage
on
that
existing
garage
that
you're
already
taking
a
bite.
Out
of
so
it
can't
be
that
important
I
need
you
to
come
over
at
the
microphone
when
we
thousands
of
people
watch
this
so.
J
When
this
issue
came
up,
when
I
was,
you
know
even
deciding
to
to
to
move
here,
I
just
commute
to
where
we
were
coming
and
talking
to
multiple
people
and
zoning
about
how
we
could
do
this,
and
particularly
the
type
of
house
we
were
looking
to
live
in
from
the
size
of
the
family.
Removing
that
garage
is
not
that's.
A
living
space
was
never
a
conversation
we
wouldn't
have
probably
wouldn't
have
bought
the
house
just
to
be
honest
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
in
the
size
of
the
house,
we're
looking
for.
D
J
A
professor
Northwestern
anybody
in
my
family
who
needs
support
they
end
up
in
our
household,
so
right
now
this
is
who's
here.
My
nieces
just
moved
here
two
weeks
ago,
right
so
the
so
the
bedrooms,
my
mother,
my
mother-in-law
need
a
bedroom.
Upstairs
the
nieces
have
a
bedroom.
We
have
a
bedroom.
Our
bedrooms
are
used
in
the
house.
We
have
a
bedroom
that
could
be
downstairs,
but
you
it's
too
close
to
the
next
house
to
get
a
and
escape
a
room
to
escape
out.
J
A
J
K
K
J
We're
living
with
dining
room
living,
dining
room,
so
the
living
room,
dining
room
I,
need
to
have
a
I
have
to
host
events
on
the
head
of
the
office
of
community
educational
partnership.
I
always
have
people
in
the
house,
students
in
the
house
of
meals,
so
I
need
to
have
at
least
12
people
a
table.
The
table
doesn't
have
to
be
fully
at
12
at
all
times,
but
I
need
to
have
at
least
12
people.
J
Well,
you
know
so
here's
the
reality.
The
work
I
do
I
wanted
to
live
on
the
fifth
Ward
as
an
african-american
woman
wanting
to
do
the
work
just
easy
to
live
other
places
we
asked
for
which
places
exist
in
the
fifth
Ward,
the
type
of
place
on
one
it
didn't
exist.
This
came
up
it's
one
of
the
few
places
that
was
built
by
someone
who
wanted
to
stay
here
so
from
the
size
of
house.
We
wanted,
we
looked
around.
What
was
there
is
either
little
here
or
go
little
someplace
else.
J
I
think
is
better
service
to
actually
live
in
the
part
of
the
community.
What
we're
actually
doing
the
work
so
we're
trying
to
make
the
house
fit?
We
we
got
to
the
contract
moon.
This
came
up
right,
so
had
I
known
this
when
we
started
looking,
probably
not,
but
we
had
gotten
to
the
point
and
we
looked
at
in
and
met
two
people
and
was
like
well,
we
in
talking
numerous
conversations
with
zoning
and
we
felt
like
we
would
be
able
to
work
this
out
by
figuring
out
on
one
car.
J
Numerous
conversations
we
weren't
here
two
before
we
went
move
forward
to
say:
is
it
doable?
Can
we
salvage
this
so
all
the
plans
and
never
was
removing
the
garage?
It's
like?
Yes,
it
had
men,
the
footings,
there's,
let's
look
at
the
footings.
These
footings
will
work.
So
at
that
point
we're
like
okay,
we
can,
we
could
figure.
We
could
figure
this
out.
One
thing
to
add
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
to
the
side
of
the
house.
J
Can
you
show
the
picture
because
I
understand
by
the
way
we
understand
that
we're
adding
the
suicides
we
talked
to
our
neighbors
everyone's
approved.
We've
also
worked
with
the
Park
District
and
the
in
the
library
to
turn
the
side
of
the
garage
into
a
functional
use
for
the
community.
Kids
are
out
there
playing
all
the
time
and
many
you
know
the
smaller
houses
there.
J
So
we've
designed
into
the
side
to
have
covers
for
sports
equipment
working
with
Lawrence
that
we'll
put
in
there
with
locks
that
people
in
community
to
get
they're
also
talking
to
Karen
and
the
libraries
that
we
will
put
a
lending
library
on
the
side
we
were,
we
will
be
responsible
for
other
power
and
things
trying
to
turn
that
Park,
which
is
really
a
kid's
Park
back
park
into
a
usable
space.
So
kids,
who
are
there
every
some
of
these?
Are
there
all
the
time
they
have
different
different
types
of
activities
to
do
so?
J
We're
trying
to
make
this
a
useful
in
addition
to
the
requests
were
asking
saying:
can
we
also
give
back
something
good
that
would
be
of
service
to
the
community?
Both
had
said
Lawrence
and
both
of
Karen
have
said
great
idea,
let's
work
with
it,
and
we
even
have
the
spec
that
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
design
into
it.
D
K
K
Obviously,
what
Nicole
was
talking
about
is
something
that,
at
her
expense,
an
effort
will
again
continue
to
kind
of
both
in
terms
of
greenery
but
more
to
the
point.
It's
a
functioning
element
for
the
part
be
a
give
back,
and
that
includes
this
area
right
here,
which
also
so
right
now,
if
we
were
to
go
back
to
the
existing
photographs
which
are
in
the
packet
you'll
see
that
you
know
it's,
the
lower
foundation
section
well
we're
proposing
to
his
berm
up
kind
of
soften
the
edge
again,
a
little
careful.
K
You
would
no
it's
an
abstraction
in
the
park
and
our
goal
is
to
then
even
take
an
element
like
this,
which
is
clearly
her
property,
but
to
sort
of
bleed
and
kind
of
allow
some
of
the
park
to
look
even
bigger,
and
that's
part
of
the
give
back
that
that
this
green
area
is
really
in
effect
and
elements
are
stretching
out
of
the
park
up
into
the
house.
So
we're
trying
not
to
look
like
we've
encroached
now,
but
it
up
radians
a
side
yard.
Why?
K
Because
one
of
the
variances
we're
asking
for
is
the
in
this
case
west
against
the
park
property
line.
Setback
issue
we're
up
on
the
proper
land
in
order
to
make
the
garage
work.
So
we're
a
cognizant
of
that
and,
as
a
result,
ideas
between
the
elements
that
offer
a
real
activity
and
service
to
the
park
for
the
kids
and
even
the
green
space
is
part
of
a
property.
K
All
of
that
is
a
way
to
kind
of
sort
of
create
a
balance
between
the
fact
that
the
garage
has
to
be
up
against
to
the
lot
line
in
order
to
make
it
work
so
and
then
the
begin.
The
addition
in
the
rears
the
footprint
a
little
bit
for
the
for
what
oops.
Sorry
for
what
in
the
end,
is
the
kitchen
and
extension
area
out
to
the
rear
yard.
So
I,
there's
probably
more.
We
can
go
over
I,
probably
easier.
C
J
J
Has
said
she
supports
it
and
would
write
a
letter
if
necessary,
her
and
family
the
neighbors
across
support
it.
My
alderwoman
is
I
think
currently
she
supports
that
I've
also
talked
to
other
men
in
the
second
ward,
but
I
understand
that
the
alderman
in
my
ward
is
there's
a
issue
with
respect
to
this
house
in
her.
K
J
I
have
not
haven't
seen
anyone,
no
one
has
been
against
it.
People
have
come
by
and
look
you
know,
cuz
the
signs
in
the
yard
and
people
understand
the
problem.
People
understand
that
the
problem
has
existed
for
this
particular
period
of
time,
so
no
one
has
been
against
it
if
necessary,
if
I
need
to.
If
they
need
to
come
out
before
meeting
that
they
would.
J
On
I
we
I
mean
we
haven't
had
that
particular
conversation
she's
been
as
supportive
as
she
as
she
can
be
understands.
The
problem
understands
what's
here
and
suggested,
and
that
I've
reached
out
and
talked
to
the
people
in
zoning
and
also
reach
out
and
talk
to
other
all
the
men.
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
the
situation
of
what
that
means.
For
what.
K
J
C
K
C
K
K
A
C
K
We
looked
at
that.
Our
initial
answer
was
simply
no:
no
because
it
did
a
number
of
things
that
inhibit
limited,
our
ability
to
reuse,
an
existing
foundation
for
cost
and
expense.
Number
one
number
two
is
that,
where
the
site
tapers
down
in
euros
and
we're
trying
to
maintain
a
space,
that's
habitable
liveable,
with
kitchen
clearances
for
accessibility
and
three,
quite
frankly,
is
from
our
standpoint.
It
was
set
back
there.
D
K
Let
me
offer
two
things:
one
from
Dean
standpoint:
that's
not
the
case
yeah
indeed,
and
the
second
is
that
we
looked
a
little
bit,
but
we
haven't
really
dug
out
entire
okay
and
it
would
be
a
problem.
Certainly
I
agree
if
it
weren't
below
frost
but
I,
understand
Ian's.
The
foundations
are
intact,
the
below
frost
line.
There
are
substantial
enough
to
support
what
we're
looking
at.
We
ran
a
couple
so.
J
K
K
K
A
What
buys
you
a
lot
is
getting
rid
of
the
whole
garage,
but
let
me
ask
you:
this
is
I'm
nothing
if
not
tenacious,
I,
respect
that
I
respect.
Thank
you.
There's
a
hypothetical!
You
dig
that
you
dig
you
do
some
investigation.
You
find
out
that
that
is
not
a
full
footing
down
to
frost.
What's,
plan
B
you
guys
gonna
underpin
that.
Are
you
gonna
ask
to
tear
down
the
foundation
I.
K
Don't
know
that
we've
thought
all
we
threw
it
in
the
same
way
that
other
wade
rested.
It
did
yes
abruptly
yeah
issues
of
drainage
for
the
site.
We
talked
about
that
yeah
I.
Think
right
now
our
goal
is
it's
a
question
of:
what's
there
and
we've
done
underpinning
before
it
doesn't
make
sense.
If
there's
not
something
that
it's
substantial
enough
right,
let's
say
it's
a
foundation:
it
doesn't
have
a
footing
great
there's
lots
of
ways
to
solve
it.
We've
done
things
like
Atlas
piers,
which
are
jacks
that
you
just
drive
into
the
ground.
K
K
With
Dean
who
I
have
known
for
years,
he's
from
your
building
department,
I,
know
and
he's
telling
me
he
inspected
it.
So
this
is
my
bluntness
but
you're
basically
saying
you
don't
believe
diamond,
that's
what
our
best
knowledge
right
now,
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
say.
If
it's
a
problem
in
structuration,
we
were
absolutely
resolve
it.
We
would
minimize
that
I,
don't
see
an
issue
with
excavating
a
way
that
affects
the
adjacent
neighbor,
no
matter
what
we'll
void.
A
K
J
Just
when
we
went
to
for
getting
the
the
the
service
yeah,
thank
you.
No
sorry,
it's
been
a
long
day
getting
the
survey
and
trying
to
get
title
insurance
because.
J
K
J
Sanitary
district,
which
would
mean
that
the
city
would
have
to
give
that
over
which
you
know
the
city
would
have
to
the
city.
Has
the
base
to
the
to
the
to
the
water
reclamation
was
one
of
the
first
questions.
I
was
asked,
you
know,
Leona
was
told
that
it's
not
the
folks
here
told
me
that
was
not
possible
to
be.
It
wasn't
possible
that
the
city
would
not
approve
a
sale
like
that,
so
we
reached
out
so
didn't
reach
out
to
the
Water
Reclamation.
A
J
It's
I
think
one
is
the
the
fact
that
the
lack
of
a
lien
is
something
like
this
land
is
built
for
a
for
a
garage
in
the
back
right
and
because
of
we're
the
only
unit,
the
only
house
because
other
when
they
get
rid
of
the
alley.
They
split
it
between
the
two
houses
there,
so
I'm
the
actually
the
only
house
on
the
block
who
puts
their
trash
out
in
front
because
everything
else
is
designed
for
an
alley.
J
So
having
parking
in
this
house
is
just
not
plausible,
unless
you
go
to
the
front
because
of
the
removal
of
the
alley,
if
it
hadn't
been
removed,
I
could
have
you
know
we
could
have
kept
the
garage
as
an
inert
in
the
back.
So
as
a
you
know,
as
a
engineer
myself,
I'm
like
oh,
we
got
to
solve
this
problem.
We
cannot
literally
find
a
way
because
of
the
angle
in
order
to
put
it.
J
So,
that's
where
the
you
know
the
hardship
is
from
the
standpoint
of
a
garage
which
is
you
know,
which
is
needed,
simple
things
of
trying
to
put
a
snow
blower.
Trying
to
put
you
know,
all
of
this
stuff
needs
someplace
to
go,
and
it's
just
not
plausible
with
this
with
by
giving
up
the
lot
by
giving
up
the
alley
to
do
it
in
the
back.
The
lands
not
wide
enough
because
of
the
taper.
How.
E
J
We
might
actually
we
had
to
so
we're
likely.
I
mean
yes,
that's
what
it
would
be
right
now,
but
given
I
bike
to
work
in
Northwestern,
we
might
go
down
to
one
to
try
to
downsize
and
some
way
shape
or
form
right
now,
there's
one
will
be
Park
in
front.
One
would
have
to
be
parked
in
where
the
driveway
or
on
to
the
side
so.
K
K
K
G
J
J
A
That
actually
begs
the
question:
did
you
guys
look
at
any
options
that
didn't
add
a
garage
so
that
you
can
have
all
the
space
you
want
for
your
family
to
live
in
right?
You
can
put
the
wheelchair
lifts,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
inside.
Yes,
it
would
be
nice,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be.
Did
you
guys
look
at
any
of
those
options
where
you
you
know
not
increase
I
would
dislike
coverage
I.
J
A
A
K
A
D
D
D
J
A
A
A
Suicide
from
a
building
permit
violation,
which
is
not
a
zoning
violation
right,
we're
just
zoning
here
right,
although
I
love
to
delve
into
building
it
really
just
zoning.
There
are
no
violations
on
the
property
right
now
as
it
stands,
because
you
have
a
two-car
garage
that
was
approved
by
it
that
was
approved
by
a
Zoning
Board,
but.
K
J
K
We
would
produce
turn
rate.
This
is
the
show
how
absurd
the
concept
was.
This
wit
alone
was
a
problem
by
the
way,
of
course,
the
reason
they
built.
This
is
weird
summary
realize
you
couldn't
possibly
navigate
their
driveway
to
get
through
the
garage.
It's
just
not
feasible.
So
I
understand
your
point,
but
the
question.
D
A
K
Yeah
right,
yes,
this
was
a
review
with
Melissa
and
say
we're
looking
for
garage.
You
want
to
conceal
the
cars
and
so
on
so
part
of
the
review
process,
and
it
wasn't.
That
was
the
direction
you
were
being
pushed
and
we
understood
and
we
accommodated
it-
turns
out
as
a
result.
Nicole
really
likes
it
because
it
allowed
us
to
put
a
lip
inside
the
garage
and
be
shelter
to
get
into
the
house.
For
somebody
and.
J
That
is
I
mean
that's
a
personal
hardship.
I
mean
I,
understand
that
my
mother-in-law
has
some
nerve
issues
so
being
outside
it's
a
little
problematic.
The
other
thing
about
having
a
garage,
that's
necessary
just
discovered,
is
the
we
have
cottonwood
trees.
So
the
sap
that
comes
on
the
cottonwood
trees
on
the
cars
that
are
parked
out
in
front
of
there
are
just
killing
the
paint
job
on
the
cars.
Some
you
know
the
amount
of
which
I
just
understood.
That
I
mean
you
know.
J
A
J
I
mean
that's
a
garage,
I
really
saw
the
house,
I
mean
the
just.
The
the
reality
is:
I
grew
up
in
Kansas,
City,
Kansas
I
feel
bad
I
left
my
I
mean
I'm,
not
I
left.
My
hometown
is
struggling.
I
want
to
be
in
other
than
a
Southside
Chicago
I'm
up
here,
working
I
can
live
other
places,
I
can
go,
live
on,
Michigan
em
I
can
go,
live
there.
I'm
like
that's,
not
the
best
place
for
me
to
be
I
want
to
be
here,
I
want
to
be
in
the
fifth
war.
Second
war.
K
J
J
This
is
I,
see,
I
pulled
up
and
I
see
a
long,
herringbone
driveway.
That
goes
all
the
way
back
with
a
basketball
court
that
goes
into
there.
So
that's
what
I!
That's
what
I
saw?
That's
what
we
bid
on
that's
what
we
were
under
contract
on
and
that's
all
of
a
sudden.
It's
like!
Oh
that's!
You
know,
that's
not
possible!.
K
J
That
I'm
was
just
confused
as
to
why
I
was
able
to
buy
it
in
this
sense,
why
it
wasn't,
if
that
is
such
a
probably
shouldn't,
have
been
required
to
be
addressed
before
it's
been
sold
or
at
the
point
of
you
know
the
conflict.
You
know,
I'm,
seeing
like
I
understand
it's
a
problem
and
I'm
trying
to
fix
it
and
I'm
trying
to
fix
it
within
the
weights
and
I
can
fix
it
and
I
feel
like
whatever
happened.
Shouldn't
have
happened.
It
was
sitting
for
years.
J
They're,
like
this
everybody's
seen
it
so
I
want
to
I,
want
to
abide
by
the
rules
and
regulation,
but
also
do
something
that
doesn't
look
kids,
it's
looking
you're
looking
at
it
right.
That
also
looks
pleasing,
so
don't
want
to
do
something
that
is
like
glue
an
eyesore
so,
and
so
that's
why
we
were
intentionally
saying.
J
How
can
we
turn
that,
because
I
look
at
how
you
put
in
the
garage
there,
okay
you're
taking,
so
how
do
we
do
something
on
the
side
of
that
guards
that
it's
a
give
back
in
some
sense
to
the
community?
So
I
understand
I,
understand
the
challenges.
So
it's
like:
oh,
we
talked
about
the
back.
Could
we
get
in
from
the
back,
but
that's
coming
over
the
other
people's
property?
So
it's
not.
We
try
to
come
in
that
way.
K
The
truthfully
one
of
the
reasons
of
our
keypads
became
less
desirable
was
just
things
like
the
getting
sheltering
getting
out
of
the
car
getting
to
lift
it
up
trash
didn't
the
original
scheme
show
like
a
screen
element.
We
had
the
trash
and
fun
cuz,
that's
where
it's
got
to
be
picked
up,
lawn
mower,
basic
maintenance.
They
gave
a
place,
to
put
it
I
mean
so
in
the
end
it
turned
out
to
the
garage,
which
is
something
that
would
be
pushed
for
really
for
best
for
everybody
totally
fun.
K
K
Let
me
say:
I
do
Nicole
for
a
long
time
working
that
no,
no,
probably
through
it's
been
a
while
and
look
I,
don't
I
I
don't
want
to
be
on
I
have
yet
to
have
it.
Let
me
say
this
I'd
yet
to
have
a
homeowner
going
at
my
expense,
because
I
understand
the
context
a
little
difficult
and
given
her
relationship
with
what
she
does,
which
involves
kids
and
interaction
of
what
she
does.
K
She
wants
to
get
back
and,
in
this
case,
she's
doing
that
she's
putting
it
behind
resource
she's,
putting
some
money
to
make
that
feasible,
I've
never
had
Homer
go.
Why
don't
I
create
a
a
place
for
the
community
at
my
expense,
in
my
management,
I'll
take
the
responsibility
and
I'll.
Do
that
I
mean
I
I
don't
want
to
go
unnoticed
is
my
point,
but
if
I
don't
today
and
it's
context
that
she's
formulated
this
is
what
the
Evanston
library
and
the
parks
and
she's
going
to
do.
That
and
I
mean.
K
K
G
J
J
G
K
Fence
stops
here
that
little
ghosted
line
that's
a
fence.
Yes,
it
terminates
in
all.
This
is
open,
no
fence
and
all
that
so,
but
it's
in
the
park
and
no
offensive
leaflet.
So
what
we're
talking
about
remains
open
to
the
park
all
of
this
well
and
that's
where
we're
we're
putting
in
the
in
the
book
dispensary
at
storage,
which
is
be
right
in
that
corner
apologize.
J
Also
just
privacy,
if
sometimes
you
want
to
be
out
having
you
know,
glass
of
wine
of
beer
and
I
understand.
There's
a
kids
park
there,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
be
on
the
side.
You
know
drinking
beer,
wine,
so
part
of
the
reason
also
doing
the
deck
in
the
back
is
for
those
things
you're
facing
this
way,
not
out
in
front.
K
G
A
J
I
also
I
would
say
this.
My
my
reputation
and
the
work
I
do
I
know
that
I
have
to
solve
this
correctly
right.
I
cannot
have
that's
not
done
well
in
anyone
in
the
city
saying
that
I'm
you
know
doing
something
outside
of
what
we
agreed
to
that
won't
work
for
me
in
northwestern.
You
know,
so
that's
not
so
whatever
we
that's.
What
we
like,
let's
agree
this
something
that
we
can
actually
do
and
you're
gonna
hold
me
accountable
for
and
that's
what
it's
gonna
be.
So
this
isn't
going
to
be.
D
G
No
I
mean
because
we
do
do
that,
though
it
will
formalize
it
so
that
that's
that's
our
recommendation.
If
we
are
not
the
final
final,
then
obviously
that's
our
recommendation
with
to
the
City
Council.
With
these
recommendations
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they'll
make
their
decision,
which
way,
which
way
they
go
or
not.
A
E
I
mean
I'm
in
sympathy
about
this
project.
I
know
what
it's
like
to
have
your
mother.
In
a
wheelchair
and
trying
to
get
around
your
house,
my
house
is
old
as
well
and
I
understand.
The
parking
situation
is
kind
of
tough.
This
is
a
very
difficult
thing
to
determine
because
of
the
size
of
the
lot
I'm,
not
really
even
sure,
I'm,
not
an
architect
and
I'm,
not
really
sure
how
else
you
could
do
it.
A
I
mean
you
change
that
you
change
the
location
of
the
kitchen,
I
mean
there's
seven
bedrooms
in
this
house.
I
know
that's
a
big
house.
It's
a
big
pantry.
We
just
talked
about
a
pantry
that
was
the
size
of
a
living
room
right.
That's
a
big
pantry
there
there
there.
If
you
wanted
to
stick
within
the
rules
right
of
54
of
40
percent,
lock
coverage.
There
are
ways
to
meet
that
there
are
ways
to
meet
that.
A
It
just
means
that
the
client
doesn't
get
everything
she
wants
and
that's
the
short
story
and
I
understand
that
it's
a
that
it's
a
complicated
lot,
which
is
why
I'm
in
favor
of
sort
of
swapping
garage
for
garage,
great
I,
love
the
garage
where
it
is
now.
It's
so
much
makes
much
more
sense.
We
didn't
have
the
ability
to
tell
people
where
to
put
their
garages
with
that
previous
application
right.
This
is
clearly
a
better
location
for
garage.
D
A
C
That
makes
no
sense
and
I
understand
from
the
applicant.
You
know
that
makes
sense
to
me.
I
come
and
I
see
a
house
and
I
see
a
big
driveway
I
see
a
big
driving
I
can
access
that
garage.
So
in
a
lot
of
ways
this
takes
a
problem
situation
and
tries
to
make
it
right
and
beyond
trying
to
make
it
right
does
try
to
give.
You
know,
exchange
something
you
know
for
the
you
know
with
the
community.
E
While
I
really
admire
the
effort
to
make
a
public
benefit
from
that
wall,
I
just
really
want
to
see
this
resolved
in
a
way
that,
in
nine
more
years,
okay,
you
won't
be
here-
I
won't
be
here,
but
in
nine
more
years,
we're
not
sitting
here
six
months
listening
to
a
new
applicant
saying
something
completely
different.
So.
C
Marybeth,
right
to
your
point,
you
know
we
heard
about
how
you
know
this
home
is
going
to
be
using
what
the
addition
is
going
to
be
used
for
your
questioning
your
questioning,
whether
the
addition,
the
amount
of
the
addition
is
what's
needed,
but
that
was
sort
of
the
question
as
it
related
to
this
the
size
of
the
addition
matches.
The
current
footings
is
at
the
correct
term
of
the
old
garage.
So
they
are,
you
know
they're
not
working
with
a
blank
slate
here.
C
A
For
so
part
of
what
I
look
at
is,
this
is
an
extensive
scope
of
construction
and
the
things
that
have
been
designed
are
not
inexpensive.
So
this
is
not
a
budget
Menards
edition
right.
This
will
be
lovely
and
it
will
be
architectural
II
interesting.
That
being
said,
what's
the
cost
of
taking
out
that
foundation
pocket
change
in
the
big
scheme
of
things?
A
What
it
gets
is
a
property
that
gets
back
to
being
40%,
lock
coverage,
and
maybe
it's
not
the
whole
thing,
because
I
think
the
difference
is
237
square
feet,
which
is
about
half
the
garage
so
take
off.
Half
the
garage
they're
already
taking
a
corner
off
the
garage
so
now
just
turn
that
wall
around
and
do
something
else,
but.
K
G
G
Okay,
if
there
is
no,
if
there
is
no
foundation,
no
footing
that
it's
still
on
them,
how
much
they
spend
and
what
they
do
in
order
to
make
it
as
long
as
they're
not
going
beyond
the
footprint
that's
already
existing,
because,
basically,
what
we
have
here
is
we
have
an
additional
garage,
a
reworked,
porch
and
I'm,
assuming
there's
a
second
floor
to
the
this
whole
thing.
No.
A
D
A
G
A
G
D
G
A
Oh,
you
want
me
to
go
sew
it.
For
me.
This
really
comes
down
to
two
things
right:
the
minimum,
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulations
and,
quite
frankly,
the
the
hardship,
that's
peculiar
to
the
property.
Because
for
me
right,
we
solved
that
hardship
that
was
peculiar
to
the
property.
We
gave
them
a
garage
nine
years
ago,
what
I
see
as
the
as
the
driver
of
the
hardship
here
is
the
occupants
of
it,
and
please
don't
mistake
my
comments
for
not
being
empathetic
and
sympathetic
to
your
situation.
I
totally
get
it.
A
My
parents
are
aging
as
well
I'm
going
through
the
same
things.
You
are
it's
just
that
you
can't
base
for
me.
I
can't
base
zoning
decisions
based
on
that,
because
that
doesn't
get
applied
fairly
and
when
you
leave
and
I
don't
know
if
you're
gonna
leave
in
a
year
or
five
years
or
ten
years
or
you're
gonna
be
here
for
50
years,
which
would
be
awesome
if
you're
here
forever.
That's
great,
because
you
are
clearly
somebody
we'd
like
in
our
community.
A
C
A
Seven
standards
for
a
major
variation,
and
although
these
are
just
variations
because
it's
a
parking,
it
situation,
it's
going
to
go
to
City
Council
for
their
decision.
So
it's
really
just
a
recommendation
and
I
would
like
to
address
some
of
those
conditions
because
I'd
like
to
throw
in
a
couple
more
number
one.
The
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
youths,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
A
The
bulk
of
the
of
the
massing
is
our
is
existing,
and
so
that
will
not
have
any
impact
on
the
adjacent
neighbors
and
then
the
addition
where
the
garage
is
going
is
far
enough
away
from
neighbors
and
is
adjacent
to
open
land.
That
I
don't
think
that
that
will
have
any
adverse
impact.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
two:
the
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
ordinance.
A
The
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
is
to
allow
you
to
expand
your
home
to
fit
the
needs
of
modern
living,
and
so
I
do
believe
it.
That
standard
has
been
met.
Number
three,
the
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
I,
don't
think
that's
the
case
here,
because
the
with
the
previous
variation
we
solved
the
difficulty
that
was
wit
that
was
peculiar
to
the
property,
which
is
that
you
couldn't
get
a
two-car
garage
on
it.
A
A
two-car
garage
is
put
on
it,
regardless
of
how
difficult
it
may
be
may
or
may
not
be
to
get
to.
There
is
a
two-car
garage
and
it
is
compliant
with
zoning,
so
I
do
believe
that
the
hardship
is,
and
so
the
hardship
here
really
comes
from
the
fact
that
there
are
multiple
people
in
wheelchairs
and
so
many
people
living
in
the
house
that
there
is
a
need
for
for
four
bedrooms.
Upstairs
two
bedrooms
downstairs
handicapped
accessible
parking,
along
with
a
lift,
so
I
do
not
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
I
disagree,
I.
C
G
E
E
A
E
A
You
number
four:
the
property
owner
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
as
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience
if
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
were
to
be
carried
out,
I
think
that
what
we're
talking
about
is
really
just
a
mere
inconvenience,
because
there
is
a
two-car
garage
there
is.
There
was
discussion
about
being
able
to
fit
everything
within
the
existing
footprint
and
not
have
a
garage
and
be
able
to
put
that
that
wheelchair
lift
outside
so
I
do
not
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
I
disagree,
I
need.
G
More
reason
for
it
there
you
go
and
the
reason
for
it
is
that
the
the
way
that
you
would
enter
that
garage
that,
even
though
they
have
a
two-car
garage,
there's
no
way
to
enter
it
and
that
is
not
created
by
the
owner.
That
is
created
by
the
circumstances
before
that,
and
so
that's
where
I
disagree.
I
disagree.
E
Because
in
reference
to
the
garage,
I
feel
like
anybody
that
would
enter
it
would
have
to
go
over
the
other
people's
property.
They'd
have
I
mean
it
looked
like
it
would
be.
Okay,
when
I
saw
it
from
the
picture,
but
I
haven't
tried
to
put
my
car
in
there
and
so
I'm
sure
that
sometimes
they
look
right
from
the
drawings
and
then
in
practicality.
It
just
doesn't
work
out.
A
Thank
you
number
five.
The
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property.
The
applicant
has
said
that
this
will
be
their
family
home,
so
their
intention
is
not
to
flip
this
and
make
additional
income.
So
I
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship-
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
this
property.
A
This
this
lot
was
plaited
long
before
the
the
current
owner
owned
the
property,
as
well
as
the
addition
on
the
back
was
before
the
owner
on
the
property.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met
and
number
seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
their
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
I.
A
C
Disagree
I
think,
given
the
way
the
lot
line
changed,
it
makes
the
current
garage
unworkable,
which
requires
them
to
come
up
with
a
new
solution
for
a
parking
situation
and
I.
Think
that,
given
the
you
know
the
existing
footings
from
the
current
garage,
this
is,
you
know
the
least
change
necessary
to
proceed.
Thank.
A
K
A
K
A
Have
to
meet
you
have
to
meet
kerning
zoning
requirements,
which
means
you
have
to
meet
the
side
yard
setback.
What
that
is,
is
that
it's
a
condition
that
mayor
that
we
are
suggesting
to
City
Council
they
may
or
may
not
choose
to
inform,
enforce
that
that's
completely
up
to
them.
They
make
all
these
decisions.
We
give
them
lots
of
things
to
chew
on
and
they
choose
to
listen
or
not.
Okay,.
K
Just
one
crack
sure,
because
that
to
me
is
a
significant
condition
versus
I
mean
I,
that
midstream
you're
you're,
if
you've
committed
all
in
and
you're
asking
someone
to
kind
of
reverse
back
out
a
little
bit
and
that's
major
to
me
I
understand
it's
a
recommendation.
You
know
put
it
or
not
put
it
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
at
least
for
us
understood
what
we're
talking
about.
Okay,
that
affects
how
somebody
would
proceed.
I
would
think,
and.
C
A
It
so
to
put
it
in
layman's
terms.
Thank
you.
What
it
means
is
that,
if
it's
determined
that
that
foundation
is
not
adequate
yep
and
does
not
meet
code
requirements,
yes,
and
that
any
any
any
work
that
is
done
to
it
requires
the
complete
removal
of
it
that
that
addition
that
that
existing
garage
space,
that
is
being
converted
into
have
space,
now
meets
current
zoning
requirements,
which
is
to
say
that
the
side
yard
setback
and
they
can
bend
the
lot
coverage
for
the
for
the
for
that
tonight.
K
D
K
A
The
short
story
is
right:
you've
taken
you've
had
something
that
was
granted
with
a
variance
built
illegally
and
now
I
know
not
done
by
your
client
but
built
illegally.
What
do
you
want
us
to
do?
We
can't
take
it
back
so
built
illegally,
so
if
that
foundation
turns
out
not
to
be
not
to
be
what
is
necessary,
and
you
now
have
to
build
a
new
foundation,
we're
asking
that
you
make
that
compliant,
but.
K
You're
imposing
a
new
restriction
is
a
serious
hardship
to
the
owner.
Then
that's
all
she's
rolling
the
dice
I
do
believe.
It's
adequate
I
think
we're
gonna
make
it
work,
so
maybe
I
don't
want
to
overstate
it
like
we
don't
know.
We
sorry.
We
know
it's
fine,
but
what
you're
saying
is
if
somehow
we
open
it
up
and
there's
a
problem,
she's
got
to
get
rid
of
half
of
what
she
was
plenty
undoing.
I
hear.
C
Your
point
at
the
same
time,
that
will
that
was
a
consideration
in
how,
in
the
way,
I
considered
whether
to
proceed
with
that.
I
totally
understand
me,
you
know,
I,
understand
the
consideration,
but
that
was
you
know
some
of
the
testimony
that
I
heard
as
to
why
you
know
you
needed
the
lack
coverage
that
you
had
and
you
couldn't
reduce
furthers
because
that
was
the
existing.
You
know
you
were
using
the
existing
footing.
So
if
you
can't
use
the
existing
footings,
I
think
it
is
reasonable
and.
K
A
K
Is
to
say
well,
I
gave
an
example,
so,
let's
say
I'm
pretty
confident
the
foundation
walls
intact.
We
have
no
idea
if
there's
an
actual
footing
down
low
yeah.
We
may
come
up
short
yeah,
just
if
it
did.
We
could
keep
that
wall
complete
in
place
and
do
as
an
example.
What
I
suggested,
which
is
the
system,
call
that
laspeyres
and
foundation
stays
in
place,
and
we
add
some
additional
support
foundation
problem
cell
yeah.
Everything
stayed
in
place.
All
of
that.
A
K
A
A
With
that,
we
will
close
the
record
again
go
back
to
where
that
are
quasi
conditions
conditions.
So
let
me
clarify
the
condition
at
the
request
of
the
applicants
architect,
that
the
the
condition
is
that
if
the
existing
foundation
has
to
be
removed
completely
barring
the
corner,
there
they're
lopping
off
already
right,
they're,
already
laughing
they're,
already
removing
a
corner
of
the
foundation.
A
C
A
I
have
to
say
that
as
well,
I
think
that
there
are
some
some
elements
that
could
be
made.
There
could
be
decorative,
rocks
there
or
a
bollard
or
something
like
that.
That
could
give
you
or
some
lights
that
could
give
you
a
sense
of
how
that
line
continues.
So
I
think
that
there
are
options,
but
they're
I
think
they're
smart
enough
to
figure
out
what
they
want
to
do.
I,
don't
want
to
say
what
they
should
do.
I
just.