City of Hollister California City Council, 17 Jan 2023

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Hollister City Council Meeting January 17, 2023

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Good evening this is a regular meeting of the Hollister city council, January 17 2023. The meeting is now called to order. It is 6 32. councilman Burns. Would you mind leading us from the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Thank you very look forward to foreign.

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Would you please call roll.

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Councilmember Perez present councilmember Morales here councilmember Burns here, mayor Casey, here, council member rosendez is not present. Thank you.

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I will now report that the agenda for the city council of the City of Hollister, regular meeting of January 17 2023, was posted on the bulletin board at City Hall on January 13 2023 at 1 40 PM per government code, section 54954.2. Thank you.

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Before we have our first staff presentation, I just want to, let you all know: I have a hard stop at 8 pm, I'm traveling to Washington DC for a conference, so vice mayor Morales will be taking over the meeting at that time staff can we have our first presentation actually.

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Before we get started uh mayor in case, anybody in the staff that is here, we would like to Steph would like to pull uh E3 just uh where there's an agreement coming to Council in the next meeting, or we want to make sure that is not in conflict with that agreement, and also staff has given me direction to negotiate with the college and I. Don't want this item to be in conflict with that negotiation. So until those items are done, we will bring that a Jedi item forward. At that time,.

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And you can, okay from from the council.

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The city manager's discretion to remove that item. All righty.

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Mayor Casey, before we begin I'd like to make a formal request to move item F1 that addresses the RV and Boat uh rework of the ordinance to pull it forward to immediately follow the consent calendar. Please.

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Okay, I actually was going to request item F2 to be moved forward, so we'll move both of those forward and we will place them after the consent. Calendar. Thank.

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You, okay for uh the proclamation agenda item I will have the chief police introduce this one.

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Thank you, Madam mayor members of the city council. Some time ago, uh councilwoman Burns requested that there would be a presentation for shot spotter with uh several delays uh which I apologize for there. We finally were able to make that happen today. I would like to introduce Jason, Silva and Ron teachman from shot spotter for that presentation.

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Out of Mayor city council, my name is Jason, Silva I represent shot Spotter and I. Also am a former police officer right up here in Richmond California.

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Madam mayor members of the council, Mr city manager, City attorney, thank you for the opportunity. I want to introduce myself in just a moment. I just want to begin by saying we appreciate the time you've allotted Us by way of introduction in increasing importance and relevance. I've been representing shots about the past seven years. I have 30 years in law enforcement prior to that twice.

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A police chief and I've installed shot spotter in both cities, where I've served so I have experience as a customer as well as representative, be talking about shot spotter where we say, detect, protect, connect, I'm going to take some a few minutes of the brief time. I've been allowed to explain what is shot. Spotter respond. What is The Gunshot detection system? How does it work but I like if I may, just to begin and briefly explain the? Why? Why is this something we think you should consider bringing to your city tonight in some neighborhood?

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There may be gunfire.

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What happens next a resident may be awakened in proximity to that gunfire. They may get out of bed Comfort a child who's crying and then at some point, they'll go to the front window of their house or apartment and discreetly peer through the blinds, and what are they waiting to see?

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I expect they're waiting to see a response from York Police Department, but the reality is that response probably won't happen and that's not a reflection of the chief, his leadership or the men and women of the police department. The reason why you will not see a police response is because most gunfire goes unreported.

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What the police get is only a small slice of what's really happening on average less than 20 percent, and as we look for our Police Department to save lives, to solve crime, to engage the community their chance of success, doing any of those things be much less than 20 percent. Now that statistic is probably alarming to you. You might think that gunfire is reported regularly. Let me show you or explain you as I've been hearing for seven years traveling, the country. This is not unique to the area.

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This is what I hear in community meetings across the country. Why don't people call 9-1-1 because they're not sure the noise is gunfire, they don't want to cry wolf. We want to normalize it as something other than gunfire. Maybe it's a backfire. Maybe it's fireworks, maybe it's when they drop the dumpster at a garbage truck whatever it could be. We don't want it to be gunfire. We don't want to feel threatened as residents. We think someone else is calling.

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If we looked out the window and didn't see anything, what are we going to offer the 911 operator I heard a gunshot. We think someone closer to the event will cost so we defer to them. Why make a redundant call we're afraid we're afraid if we call the police, they might send a police car to our door and what? If the shooter sees that and lastly, we've accommodated it- we've numbed to it: we've resigned to it, especially if we don't see a police response comprehensively. Meanwhile, Shooters are emboldened to continue to shoot.

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They don't see a police response if they're not held accountable, and this spreads fear in the community. Homicides are more likely to happen. Certainly, personal injury gunshots are most likely to happen if a police response is not comprehensive and back to our resident, they don't know any of the data I've just shared with you. They think the police are omniscient, just like the ones they see on television on those cop shows or every crime gets solved. Every bad guy gets identified and brought to Justice.

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So the rhetorical question I'll ask is, as they look out the window, if they think the police know, but the police don't show what might they think about their Police Department might think they don't care from their perspective as a resident, and this then spreads or creates a vicious cycle. The gun violence continues. So the negative perception about the police agency, indeed about City Administration, Mr Rhodes, Community Trust, and puts offices at risk as well.

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Let me just give you a quick satellite view of what might be happening here in Hollister now without our gunshot detection that gunshot never gets called to the police. In fact, the first they may know about it is when they get called to a local Trauma Center emergency room on a gunshot victim talk to any officer in your Police Department. They'll, probably tell you that's what normally happens a private transport not to have the ambulance come not to have the police involved and they get dropped off at the hospital.

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So for us to police know about it. But let's say someone does call and they call 9-1-1 and all they can say, is I hear a gunshot near my house. Please send the police. Were we going to send our officer to the caller's house which may put the officer In, Harm's Way, driving through the danger zone, to get to the caller's house and then they're going to have a redundant conversation with?

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They already gave the 911 operator and even if the officer comes from a neutral location like, as you can see, coming from the north they're going to have that conversation they're going to set up a search area around the Carlos house and what will they find? Nothing because, according to our customers and we're servicing over about 120 cities right now in the United States excuse me 140 cities.

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What are they telling us that the average caller is two and a half football fields from the actual crime scene and heaven forbid, someone is actually shot, we're not getting to them with critical, first aid and first responder care to save a life.

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Meanwhile, when the narrative in the house is the police don't care, we don't engage with our neighbors, we don't let our kids use playgrounds nearby or even leave the home after school. This is what happens when gunfire is normalized. If having been a chief twice looking at the chief's perspective, trying to allocate resources effectively for data, he just has the tip of the iceberg, and you can't manage what you can't measure.

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So we say what if there was a way to address all these concerns office of safety, public perception, Community, Trust and violence reduction with shots body, you can detect protect, connect, detect the gunshots. Now, how do we do this? Well, first of all, shot spot will tell the police what happened when it happened and where it happened. They tell you who and maybe why our job is to tell them what, when and where. How do we do that?

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Well, we work with the police department to look at the data as to where gun violence has happened. Historically, where are people getting shot? Where are gunshots happening? Another gun crime put together a heat map and then outline a coverage area once that area is determined by the chief and his staff, we then set up our system. We call it a Domer protection, an acoustic array we put sensors on rooftops to buildings and on utility poles kind of like your cell phone.

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Has the provider has built a network here in Hollister and in the county, much like that. We'll actually have Ops very often co-located on rooftops and buildings, with Verizon, a t and so forth. We put the census on rooftops then, when a gunshot occurs, That acoustic event reaches out and the system detects it we time stamp, where the sensors are hearing it and then determine the location. Through Time differential, we'll call triangulation, that's how we know where the gunshot occurred and we determine that location with great precision based on mathematical calculation.

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We then send the data up to the cloud this calculation takes place and then we determine is it a gunshot, so detection and location first? Is it a gunshot? How do we know because machine classifier filters up most of the noise better than half what's left is left for a human review, so machine classification and then human review. The human listens to the auto recording of the gunshots and they can filter out fireworks very effectively. For example, they look at the acoustic signature.

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Then they look at the sense of participation, so they're sitting in front of this Bank of monitors, they're determining which census we're involved since gunfire is linear and those other noises tend to be omnidirectional. They look at the pattern of Engagement and that's a great way to distinguish gunshots, we're very effective at filtering out the false positives and that whole process takes less time than it took me to explain, guaranteed by contract under 60 seconds, from trigger pull, to get to the police, to the precise location, to save lives and solve the crime.

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Now, when we determine it's gunfire, we send a notice out simultaneously to your 911, Communication, Center and I understand. Yours is regionalized, it's some distance away, so they're being notified, but in real time the chief will get it on his desktop, more importantly, for officers to respond, they'll get it on their laptop or their tablet in their police, car they'll even get it on their phone and on their smart watch, and we perform on both Android and iOS platforms, so they're going to get this notification wherever they are on all their devices.

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Let me now move to protect. Let me talk for a moment about protecting police and positioning them to better protect your community, so the officer is on patrol would have their CAD or computer aided dispatch in the front on their device. We're sitting discreetly behind when a gunshot occurs, the officer would get a distinct audio alert. They would see this yellow rectangle pop up and they could click on it and bring shots about to the Forefront.

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What will they then see the number of rounds that were fired and, depending on the circumstance we might tell them? For example, as you can, let me blow this up.

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We have a moving shooter at 15 miles an hour Northwest. How do we know that? Because we plotted each of the gunshots over time and Direction, and that shows the police? We have a moving shooter in their Direction as well as a number of gunshots, but we're going to teach as we onboard the police department cop to the dot, so they go to where most of the gunfire occurs, and that's why we have this teardrop with a number in it. That's what we dispatched to, but we can determine Direction.

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Here's a case where we have 16 rounds. You can see here they get that distinct, audio alert. They see the number 16 we give them the address and we give them the time stamp and when it occurred, and in this instance we appended other tactical intelligence, such as multiple shooter high capacity Weaponry. We would also tell them as a full automatic, so tactical intelligence in real time about the level of threat, they're being dispatched too very important for them to better protect the community and while they're enroute they get.

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We call an investigative lead summary with the number of rounds fired, the timestamp of every round and the sequence I'll, just briefly State, why a sequence important? Let's say that you have two combatants Jason and Ron who's. The primary aggressor we're both going to claim self-defense, but when I'm being interrogated, I freely, admit I'm standing on the west side of the street, not realizing my location is inculpatory I've just identified myself as the primary shooter, because you can see from the diagram.

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The number one was from the the first shot was from the west side of the street. Also very important for the chief with officer involved shootings to determine is the officer justified in the use of force quickly. We have the case where we have seven rounds fired. Hopefully this will work.

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We capture the recording of the gunshots and we dispatch that out, so the officers can hear the gunshots themselves to verify what they're being dispatched to and let's say, for example, I'm being dispatched for neighbor and I'm, not familiar with, because the officer, let's say it's, Jason's beat he's tied up on a car accident or a domestic or some other call I'm being sent into his neighborhood I. Don't know the beat that well, we interface automatically with Google Maps. All the officer has to do is not type anything in simply hit this icon.

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We take the address of being dispatched to. We give them a panoramic view of the neighborhood. They can pick a landmark building and make a tactical approach from a distance away, even if they've never been sent to that enabled before and if they don't know how to get there. We take where they are, where they're being dispatched to they hit this icon. This little automobile for navigation pick the navigation uh tool they like the best it will navigate for them, no need Under Pressure to be typing. Anything in.

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We take care of all that last example for office of safety. This is a real case. 18 rounds fired. You can see high capacity, multiple shooter, with a view. Overhead looks like a t in a section and railroad tracks, but the beauty of having this street view interface. Now you see it's a railroad bridge now we note a sense, efficient Personnel to cover each under the bridge and cover street level, given the level of threat, with a three-dimensional view very important for office of safety to enable them to better protect the public.

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Now moving to situational awareness officers can see even before they come to work. What has transpired in the coverage area since their last shift? So let's say I worked yesterday in Patrol I'm coming to work tonight where it says 24, that's the activity in the last 24 hours, I can click on any one of these teardrops and I can read the police report. Let's say: I have an overtime job near this Ogden park.

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I can read what happened in the last day that resulted in five shots being fired and I know that before you even come to work, if I've been off for a couple of days where it says 24, I click three and you can see the screen populate if I've been off for weeks vacation, you go to seven screen populates again now for the chief trying to allocate resources effectively in real time. He also can look at these screens and see 24 hours three days and seven days, and especially where he identifies clusters.

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He can identify teams, Street crimes, unit task forces, overtime, patrols and allocate in real time and make those adjustments to better Serve and Protect the public. We also have a customer success team. These are all former Law Enforcement Officers who've worked in customer cities quickly.

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What they'll do is an onboarding program to train the officers share the best practices that we've learned from the customers we're now serving across the country, particularly those here in California, as the chief wants to measure success, we'll build the key performance indicators with him and we stay through go, live and check in regularly as well as we have 24 7, 365 availability. Furthermore, we'll work with your prosecutor's office, both your County prosecutor and your U.S attorney. We provide detail, forensic reports that are Court admissible and we testify in court as well.

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Lastly, connecting we can help connect to the crime scene, because we get you to the right location in real time that improves the ability for officers to get forensic evidence to put into the national integrated listings Information Network, to solve cases as well as- and this is very important with ghost guns and the fact that very often you do a trace on a gun, you can't determine the owner.

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Let me just quickly show you how we help that gunshot would never get called in probably, but we're now sending the officers to the right location give them an opportunity to gather that forensic evidence. Subsequently, if there's a homicide or non-fatal shooting here or elsewhere, officers go to that scene get the casings. They put all these cases in through that crime lab, and it goes to the ATF where they can determine the same gun was used in both instances.

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Now that gives your officers the opportunity to go back to the original scene, canvas the neighborhood and hopefully identify the house, the location where that first gunshot took place that could lead to a search warrant that helps you solve the homicide or non-fatal shooting so solvability is increased by using this technology effectively and independent Studies have shown the evidence, collection Improvement. This is an independent study for the urban Institute, showing how many more casings are found and how much more forensic evidence is found using our technology.

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Coming to a close, we can also integrate with other Technologies of pan tilt Zoom cameras, video Management Systems license plate readers, even uavs, and drones. I just want to quickly speak about stakeholder engagement, whether you have these programs now you're contemplating them. Street Outreach programs, group, violence, intervention and particularly trauma-informed care, recognizing that when there's gunfire in neighborhoods, not only are the victims of the bullet wounds affected. Obviously, but there's a thing called vicarious trauma we're all affected psychologically. It affects our quality of life.

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It's particularly important with young people whose brains are still in development. How do we help them? Well, we look at the shot spot of data. There's adverse childhood experiences. We look at the shot spot of data. The chief can take this data work with the school superintendent at your school system, chart where the gunshots are happening, look at the student roster and at very least, monitor the kids that are being affected to see if there's a depreciation in their attendance, their performance of their behavior and give them the wraparound Services they deserve as victims.

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But you don't know that if you don't have the data, we can provide that data and help with that program. In closing, you bring shots about a Hollister. Now that story I told the beginning has a different ending. Now your resident looks out the window. They see a response from your police department. They see them effectively getting to victims to save lives and transport them to the trauma center, because time is tissue.

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They see them set up a crime scene talk to Witnesses gather that forensic evidence, I spoke about holding perpetrators accountable and not mass incarceration, Precision policing, because it's only a handful of folks that are driving the violence here in Hollister, but most effectively to gauge the community before they take down the Yellow Tape part of the onboarding program, we're going to ask them to take one small but I, think critical step, and that is to go a couple of houses in each Direction, knock on doors or ring doorbells, and when that Resident answers the door, the one that didn't want to call the police for all the reasons I talked about a few minutes ago.

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Now we engage that community and if they don't answer the door, we leave a door hanger, but if they do answer the door, the conversation I would say would go something like this ma'am I'm. Sorry, if I awoke, you I realize it's now three in the morning, but I'm guessing the gunshots next door woke. You are you, okay, my partner, Jason and I here, because we care about you and your family. Do you have children at home? Were they awakened by the gunfire? Do they need to speak to a police officer to feel safe, I?

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Don't want your child sleeping in a bathtub afraid to sleep in their own bed. Forgive me, I should have introduced myself when you answered the door. My name is Ron teachman. Here's my business card, my cell phone number's right here, please take it. Give me a few minutes to check, make sure no stray bullet hit your house in the car that no one's hiding on your property because we're not leaving to assure that you and your family are safe.

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But after a few minutes, if you would, please give me a call on my cell phone, tell me what's going on with the house next door. Tell me what's happening on your street. Whatever you tell me can be kept confidential if you want, but the better informed I am the better Guardian I can be for you and your family.

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That's the height of community engagement and I know that the office is in your Police Department. Under this Chief's leadership will take the time to do that. Welcome the opportunity they're not getting now from 9-1-1, and if you allow me a personal moment, I left law enforcement seven years ago to join this company. Precisely for this reason to change the narrative in this country from the police don't care to the police. Are there you bring this technology to Hollister? You can change the narrative here as well.

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You can detect protect connect and make your community safer. Let me stop and ask say first of all thank you for the time and I'll take any questions. If you have them.

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You mayor Chief, thank you great presentation, I think it's a good example, too, of being prepared and thorough and I appreciate that very much so I I do have uh I, guess four questions. So um what is the cost to bring the program to the City of Hollister.

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That cost actually um has gone down considerably uh from even when I was a police officer in Richmond, uh your uh city is under 50 000 population, so that cost is forty, nine thousand five hundred uh for uh one year uh for uh for an annual cost, which includes absolutely everything since we're a SAS model. Now everything is absolutely included, all the installation, all the maintenance, all the monitoring, um everything that includes training that includes um yeah. Absolutely everything is taken care of. So that's you have one flat fee for that. Okay,.

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I think per square mile, yes, and so we will work with the chief if we haven't already to determine the coverage area that he wants measure it and then we'll give you a proposal based upon that footprint. Okay,.

E

Perfect, and so um if, if this Council decides to move forward, what would the rollout time be from conversation to active.

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Typically, from the time the contract is on you're, looking about any six to eight weeks, or so you know, depending on a few factors, to roll out the system and turn it on and get it live, sometimes quicker, depending on uh installation times uh than that um yeah you're talking about yeah six to eight weeks, typically, okay,.

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And I'll just expand on that. For a moment, we mostly use rooftops of buildings. Now the first conversation we'll have is with the city Administration. What buildings can you provide Schools and Government buildings first, but that's not enough to satisfy our appetite because generally it's looking at 20 to 25 sensors per mile, so it's on us to go, seek those private permissions to get on those rooftops again. That's why I use the analogy to your cell phone, because a cell phone provider has already done that as well.

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We like to be up high, so we look to high buildings, first utility poles. Secondarily, and that's what varies now any kind of City cooperation to identify those rooftops would expedite the process. But we say four to six weeks on average, okay,.

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Per mile, okay and then when shot spotter goes in, have you noticed nationally or in California that when a city becomes known for having shot spotter? Is there a reduction in in the amount of shootings that occur or do they actually increase, because there are more being detected? That would otherwise go unreported.

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So you're a detection rate will increase in the coverage area.

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Since we say the national average is getting less than 20 percent and we're going to contractually guarantee you better than 90 percent you're, going to see a slight increase in cost of service in the coverage area, but only as to gun shots. We like to see and have seen in most of our custom cities is a decrease in the actual crimes of homicides, non-fatal, shootings and shots fired, because we positioned the police department to better identify those people, doing the shooting and hold them accountable and suppress that crime.

E

Thank you and my final question. You used the phrase um that I don't understand, but I'm sure you can explain it I think you said time is tissue and can you expand upon that? Please? Yes,.

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And forgive me that's a term that we've heard from the medical community as I started to work with them. We've got many cities with the local hospitals, they're, helping a fun shot, Spotter and that's a terminology. They often use people bleed out from gunshot wounds in three to four minutes, so it's mortality and morbidity.

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You know if you may survive, but your survivability is affected by the time it takes to get medical treatment to you to stop the bleeding to suppress it, whether it's a police officer getting there with tourniquets or quick clot managing or getting you to a Trauma Center. So the surgeon can provide those resources. Time is of the essence. Time is tissue you're losing tissue by not getting blood flow, healthy, oxygenated blood flow to the organs and to your tissues. That's why we say times of the essence: great.

E

Thank you. Thank you both for your presentation. I, truly appreciate your time. Do.

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We have any other questions: council, member Perez, yeah.

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I'd like to buy two of those for me great great, you know what uh you did a great job on your presentation, especially when it's something that's concerning as the safety of our officers and First Responders.

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um Is our system compatible with with what the shot spotter it do? We know, do we know if our system is compatible with the shot spotter, it should be.

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Yes, you're talking cameras and stuff. um You know we haven't had that discussion, but I'm sure you know. Okay, we can look into that.

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That's something we can look into. We haven't got to that point yet, but.

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We do have the cameras that he just spoke about and to integrate that, if feasible, that would be the way to go. If the council decided to go.

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That way, I guess maybe I'm I'm pushing this fast, because it's like I'm totally in for this like this is this is a great um it's something our community needs, what our staffing, um protecting our staff and keeping our staff. If.

K

I may, and forgive me if I was somewhat uh confusing the issue. We have the ability by pushing out an API, giving you the coordinates of Where The Gunshot occurred that if you have a CCTV system that can pan tilt Zoom, we can help move it in that direction and we work with all the major video Management Systems.

K

However, we also explain in best practices and I'm sure the chief has done this to inventory all your camera assets, whether it's the gas station with the outward facing camera, whether it's the bank ATM, like the bank America next door or it's someone's, ring doorbell- that the chief has those assets inventoried, even if they're not directly controlled at your 911 Center, so that if there is a gunshot incident and they're trying to investigate, we know precisely where and when it occurred.

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That's what shot spot is responsible to tell you, then you simply look around in your inventory and say: okay, the gas station there that homeowner there that bank ATM there. Let me get those key holders to show us the video to see if we've captured, The Gunshot and have it on video or access to the crime scene or flight from the crime scene. That's where the inventory comes in. So even if we don't have direct integration, we can certainly be a value-add to infrastructure of cameras right now. Thank.

A

You for your presentation and I'm totally supporting this. Thank you, sir.

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N

A great presentation, thank you, um impressed with your delivery and the organization. I think my questions are more for the chief. um How many incidents have we had of gunshots in the last year?.

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I, don't have those uh figures uh with me right now, but uh obviously we had several shootings last summer, including some homicides and um we've already done the the research I think it's in the other presentation, that's on there, where we analyze those gunshots and working with Jason. We determine the proposal where this would go in the future, based on the calls for service related to gunshots.

I

But that's another PowerPoint presentation and I thought this one was a little bit long as as it is, but it would be determined based on the number of calls for service and the specifically gunshots that that occurred over the last year.

N

Okay and I only ask because I think it'd be important for us to identify the need so number of gunshot in the last year and then in the last five years. My understanding in terms of um crime is that we've had on a on a state level. Every jurisdiction has at least in the last five years, see seen a decrease in crime we're just now starting to see an increase in the number of referrals and the types of crimes.

N

So it would be very good because it is uh forty, nine thousand dollars and if it's coming out of general fund there's a lot of other avenues such as, like the Jack grant that could pay for the service that doesn't necessarily have to come out of our budget. The other questions I, had um you know so you're program I, think makes an assumption that we have a lot of things in place, so I think from the police chief.

N

Can you talk about the programs that we're able to access I doubt that we have wraparound services, but maybe I'm wrong? So would you be able to elaborate on the wraparound services that we have.

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What do you mean by wraparound services so.

N

Maybe you like I, have my own definition, but if you'd like to elaborate sure.

K

So I was speaking generally because we have not had a chance to meet with the chief and analyze what resources are here. What I was speaking to is our customer success program more generically and part of that is, our team would come in work with the chief and say: okay, what do you have in the city now that we can share the data? We call it data for good.

K

So, for example, as I explained meeting with the school superintendent, can we share that data with the schools, so they can identify which students are being subjected to persistent gunfire. That may be traumatized that need counseling need psychiatric care. Let me just say for a moment when I was growing up as a kid, when people didn't come to school, they were truant, they got suspended when their grades failed, they were held back and when they misbehaved in class, they were expelled for their behavior.

K

Well, very often, those same kids may have been victims of crime who were traumatized, but we didn't see them in that light. Now we have the opportunity, with the data, we're providing to share this with our school system and maybe treat these kids with the level of services they deserve. And that's when I speak about with wraparound, we can talk about counseling. We can talk about other programs, Street Outreach programs, violence, interruptors working with the chief to identify.

K

If there are any gangs, groups clicks or Crews that are driving the violence to a group, violence intervention using other services for referrals- those are the kind of things we'll have a discussion with. Once we get better acquainted.

N

Thank you, so the the rapper I was talking about is when um there's a an incident that occurs. You have a resource officer, for example, that provides wrap-bound services, whether it's a referral to behavioral health, um family intervention, uh gang redirection, Case, Management, Services, potentially food um medical services, and so it assumes that if you have the data, then you're able to access other resources from that and I, don't know if we have that set in place.

N

I would love to see that we set up our own resource officer to be able to work with County to be able to leverage our resources together and act as a united front when dealing with crime, because it's not just so. Your program is more of a suppression, intervention, suppression, technology that provides data to be able to look at preventative efforts, and so we, we just were able to add it.

N

Last year, a management analyst to our budget to be able to look at data in a very different way, um so I guess loved your presentation. um I I think that we would love to see our department, probably first identify prevention, intervention services. Look at more collaborative efforts.

N

If we are going to be utilizing data for us to have the internal resources to be able to analyze data and then purchase the software needed in order for us to further our cause, and if we do decide to purchase a software that feed through funding available to law enforcement agencies, to be able to make these kind of purchases without impact, our general fund.

I

Yes um and looking at the the data that was provided in the presentation, the the crime from last year, we had 26 shootings, um 67, brandishings and 74 aggravated assaults and two homicides. That was part of the analysis for determining. If we went forward where we would be implementing the shot spotter in regards to the Jag Grant, we don't qualify for the Jack Grant we've already looked into that we just our crime.

I

It's a catch-22: our crime isn't high enough, which is a good thing, that crime isn't high enough, but we don't qualify for the Jack grants and all those resources that you're talking about. They are available they're, mostly by through the county. We do have the mental health officers assigned to mental health, um they're primarily doing dealing with 5150s and and people suffering crisis, but they can also.

I

They are a resource for anything that Ron was talking about in regards to um working with our public and and the needs of the effects of gunshots or shootings in our community. We would love to work with other members and partner, um but, as you know, our Mental Health Department is is uh overburdened right now with a lot of things, and we would love to work with the schools. We have not approached them about this.

I

It would be great if they would be willing to work with us, but I don't know what their resources are in. Regards to that and I must say that, though those aspects, although they're great they're, they're added benefit from having a shot spotter on the main primary focus, is to identify them arrest these people, when we're going to the right spot versus going to the wrong spot or not even being called at all.

D

E

Mayor I, didn't I, didn't have another question. I did have a comment, though, if I may so so 110 percent I'm in and uh in support of moving forward with this Chief. What I would also like to maybe suggest would be absolutely.

L

E

Need to be areas where the where the troubles are occurring that need to be the focus in my opinion, but I would also like to maybe see us put at some cost in Iowa.

E

You know if this is possible, but I think parents are always concerned about school, shootings and and oftentimes delay is the challenge, and so I would love to see us put put the technology at all of our elementary junior high and High School in and in addition, probably the skate park and other areas where we have people congregate, where there's the potential for problems and so um I don't care whether it costs fifty thousand dollars or half a million dollars.

E

I think the cost to prevent one person from being injured, whether it be a member of our community or heaven forbid, one of our Law Enforcement Officers um is it's. It's money well spent I, see it as good insurance and and I'd like to actually expand the coverage and I. Don't know if you offer isolated where they could pop it in at the high school or they could pop it in over at the junior high schools, and so I'd like to see a broader conversation. Frankly, thank you. Thank you, sir.

G

Sorry, real quick mayor just to kind of go back with the the council, said about costs. uh Tim councilmember Burns actually said it perfectly that the cost for a injured officer is would outweigh what this would cost, also with us having the difficulties of hiring officers. This gives us another tool.

M

G

Is right away, I mean we're sending officers to to training that's going to take longer than getting this in so that it just it's an electronic officer for us is what will help the the force so I hope you liked it. We consider that part of it.

D

Okay, I just had a few quick comments and questions. Please. First excellent presentation.

G

D

You so much for coming in.

O

D

To say that the thing that impressed me the most was the Tactical intelligence, the fact that our officers won't be walking in blind and we'll know what.

P

D

Dealing with that alone is just that makes it worthwhile to me, um and also the idea that it can help with evidentiary proceedings after the fact.

M

D

My questions for you first, uh you talked about the time being, what six weeks, or so or eight weeks to get things set up. How about the onboarding of our officers? What kind of training do they need, and what is time for that.

K

So, thank you. What we'll do is once our project managers begin the deployment and build the array. We then work with the chief. We determine with some degree of accuracy a go live date, so pick a date on the calendar and then work back from that we'd like to do the training close to go live so whatever we tell the officers, they don't forget. It's ripe and relevant also engage in the prosecuting attorneys, as I said earlier, so that whole training, the psap people I, know they're remote.

K

They have to be part of the conversation as well, so our training team will work with all those entities to schedule the training close to go, live at the chief's convenience and that training can be on site in person. It can be remote whatever the chief wants. It entails, knowing how the software Works making sure they understand how to get it on their devices. Laptops tablets, phones, watches whatever devices they want to engage and then doing some simulation training. What I didn't show you, because time didn't allow.

K

We have a second companion package, all included called Insight. What I explained to you tonight as we call respond? That's the immediate notification. Insight is a digital repository of all the data that the chief and the command staff and the analyst can look back and they can say: what's our most violent time and day of the week, when are we seeing most amount of machine gun fire or high capacity Weaponry? Where is this taking place? All these anecalytical tools are available. Now we may not have to do the entire department.

K

He may have certain staff that he wants like detectives to have access to that, whoever the chief sets it up as to who he wants trained in whatever areas will schedule that training could be as little as 20 minutes a half an hour at roll call or after roll call, or it could be a separate Standalone, but that's his appetite right. We can accommodate that got it, but it all takes place before go live so once we go, live everybody's trained everybody's ready to go.

D

Got it last question, as with all technology Cloud, it's not 100 and I'm, just wondering about your uh down time or what kind of fail safes. You have backup that kind of thing to make sure we're up and running as often and as long as we can be so.

K

We will and Jason can talk to this and the proposal that we will give you will include a lot of promises, but in contract we are Contracting to be in service to you, 99 of the time. Our response time from trigger pull is 60 seconds. We give you a 25 meter, 82 foot radius location. So all the things I spoke about are in the contract and promised, if there's a period of time, that we're not available for whatever reason that extends your contract at no cost.

K

But I can also tell you that worrying about or concerning about availability, where, historically, when I joined the company, we had one incident review center. It was our headquarters here in California we built a redundant site on the East Coast. So if anything should happen to our headquarters and frankly, during covid we've learned to work remotely like everybody else has so our incident review center people are able to work from home as needed, but we have them work together.

K

So we have peer review on a lot of these incidents, so a site in Fremont California at our headquarters, a site on the East Coast. For redundancy and our system is very rigorous to withstand all kinds of weather conditions, including some of the bad weather you've had lately as long as we have electrical power. Whatever our site, we can run.

J

D

You you're more.

J

Than welcome to come to Fremont, um if you would like and see our headquarters and take a tour and see actually everything happen live as well. Okay,.

D

Well, thank you very much appreciate it. Any other comments, questions or we'll discuss this again, we'll take it.

I

Unless you have any direction at this point,.

E

That would be my question: what is what is Staff looking for to move forward? Yeah.

G

um I I think seeing that you, uh this is something that you're interested in it will help the chief as we move forward with the availability of it and to either bring back a request for sorry request for proposal or actually look at the sole source that that's we'll work on that to bring forward to the council.

G

E

Mayor I'd like to do something time, specific I know that these things take time and and um time is important, I believe to move this forward, I think and so I I, don't know uh Chief what what is reasonable or realistic to uh to knowing that this is a six to eight week. Rollout of this Council supports it and to to push us forward.

I

I think, if that's a direction of the council, we can come back next month with the city council.

J

I'm, talking to me can be sole source as.

I

Well, yeah correct, especially if that's the direction that you want to go.

D

So, do we just need consensus to bring it back? Yeah then do we have consensus? Yes,.

N

So um Chief, if you would consider exploring options with um or Partnerships with the Sheriff's Office district attorney probation and imagine that this tool would be schools, um I mean even Parks and Recs Department I know their hours, but um the I imagine that the information would be useful and beneficial and since it impacts those offices, maybe we can do something with cost sharing.

I

I can look into that and see if that's a possibility.

F

Mayor Casey, we do have cidem from Elia Salinas.

Q

Good evening Madam, mayor and council members, um this was a great presentation. However, I do have a lot of questions or or first of all, the Hollister Police Department when they respond. They do care. So there's no question about not caring because they do care or they care about our community.

Q

um The you, the they're, saying that um this is in defense of police officers and that that would protect police officers and I think this is a great I mean uh law enforcement has really really come a long ways. Okay.

Q

um However, there must be other organizations that offer the same thing and I don't know if there are I have not had a chance to look at it myself, but I would like for the city staff to look to see if there's other competitions that offer this type of service, um the uh schools have counseling.

Q

So that's one of the things that um that was mentioned that they contacted schools. You know they're there, but I think we have a school resource officer, um so I think that's something that should be looked at if it's not already being looked at with regards to children being involved in this, we have a problem with Behavioral Health, a big problem. So even if this were to the analysis were to come forward. What can Behavioral Health do for these I mean they're? Not they can't do very much as it is right now.

Q

They just got a new director and hopefully things are going to change. um We don't get um clusters of it. We have 26 shootings and when you say when he's mentioned that there are the incidents of calls, I mean he used the example of big cities. We're not a big city and our resources are limited, I mean I. The chief can tell you and he's I'm sure he's told you before he needs staff. He needs money.

Q

We need to hire more police officers here in the City of Hollister, but I am I'm kind of leery and I do agree that the a life is more important, but the fact that you want to and you're giving kudos to this one company and saying we're ready to go and jump on it. I think you should hold back a little bit and find out. If are there other companies that do provide the services they're here to make money and their their program looks good and I'm, not saying that it's not good, but they're.

Q

Also wanting to put these whatever these objects are that they're going to find the shooting uh the sounds um on public buildings, but they also say well we'll get houses they're making money. Are they going to compensate those personal homes for putting their product on top of these homes? Thank you.

D

Thank you so, at this point, I.

G

Believe the chief got.

D

His Direction so we're good to move forward.

D

Consent agenda: are there any members of the council that would like to pull any items from the agenda.

N

Foreign I like to pull um A2 and I like to just not pull but note on four five and twelve um and I don't know. Do you want me to make the comment now? I, don't want to pull them. I just want to make a comment.

D

Okay, um I think we could do that. We can do that. Yeah.

N

So for a 4 5 and 12 I like um so one thank you for the the grant I'd like to see when we do are ready to go out for bed that we bring back policy that deal with, and we've been talking about this for a while. That extends and looks at our procurement policy to look at skilled and trained labor that we prioritize local hires. We give additional points for veterans on the procurement process for these kind of bids, and that can come back at a later time.

D

Thank you any other items. Yes,.

E

Mayor, please I'd like to pull a six seven and eight.

D

Okay, council, member Perez any.

R

D

Good okay, so um are there any public comments on the consent agenda items.

F

Mayor Casey, yes, we have one public comment for item A6. If you want to hear that when that item gets discussed, okay, we can do that.

D

All right so may I have a motion to adopt the consent agenda, with the exception of items A2, A6, A7 and A8.

L

D

A second are those all those in favor.

L

D

Okay motion carries four to zero okay. So let's go to item A2.

N

um So for this item, um I noticed that we have two vendors that have a considerable amount of money that we spend so that the first one is Verizon I'm wondering if we have of our policy includes um Citywide contracts.

N

I know that in other jurisdictions, in order to save costs- and they have a master contract, I'm wondering if we do that with Verizon and then the other item that I noticed a considerable amount and one day was four leaf. And if you have just any information on that, okay.

G

Boys Verizon Paul is shaking his head. Yes, we have a master.

S

Contract with the contract with Verizon, we.

G

Do and then for four leaf: we've had the contract, but uh I know that Council as we go through the bud budget process that will be re-looked at to if we need to go through that contract, but we have currently, we have a contract with them.

N

No, can you tell me um why the um large amounts of money in one day.

G

Well, it's several hundred thousands of dollars correct, so they are in charge of all our building inspections, so we get a percentage of of those um we collected all the we collect 100 of the fees and then we met back to them. um I believe it's uh I can't remember. It's like 45 percent back to them of the feast collected not based on a contract. I'll have to get that exact percentage, but that's a pro approximate percentage.

D

Are you done with questions council members.

N

And um if you can bring that back first.

D

N

D

Okay, so is there a motion to approve item A2.

N

I make a motion, can I have a second.

L

D

All in favor aye.

L

D

Notion carries 4-0.

D

Okay, that takes us to consent, item A6, council member Burns. Thank.

E

You mayor um Mr, Miller I'm, just curious.

E

um This is in regards to the naming of a uh one of the City of Hollister Parks uh for Buzz and Irene Hart and I couldn't be more supportive of this, but in reviewing the staff report on this, it showed that the initial application was submitted on August, 2nd of 2019 and and I know covet has some uh impact on some things, but my dirty math would take me to about three and a half years and and I just want to know why, because it just seems extremely long to move something forward that makes so much sense.

E

So thank you and I'll look forward to your answers.

G

I will have Tina actually answer that question.

T

um Good evening, mayor, Casey and Council, um yes, it did take some time and we presented it um a couple of years. A few years ago, Council decided at that time. They wanted to review the new um wording when it came to submitting an application for for an application. What am I trying to say for for submitting the the process on how we went about naming a park or a facility, so we brought it back to council um in 2021. We rescinded the resolution, that's what I was trying to say. We rescinded the resolution.

T

I went through our our Parks and Recreation Commission, and then we asked all of our applicants to resubmit um their their application to name a park and we received one from um Irene Hart or yes, the.

E

So safe to assume, unless Council takes and reverses an action in the future that this can be a more timely process, I hope it's.

T

In our policy that it is a timely process, understood.

E

Thank you, I appreciate.

T

E

I again, I think this is a great opportunity to recognize some people that have really made a difference in our community. So thank you for pushing.

G

This forward councilmember Tina there was like three or four parks that were presented at that same time, and then they got told we were given direction to come back with a new policy and which Tina just said so.

T

We've just out of the four that were submitted, we received one.

N

D

So is there a motion to approve item A6.

L

D

F

In favor aye, yes,.

D

F

Casey, this is the item that I did have. The public comment for A6 is the one I? Have the public comment.

M

F

All right public comment: Elias Salinas for item six.

Q

I withdraw my publication. Okay.

G

D

G

D

All right so should we take a vote again.

D

Then I think we can go to.

G

D

G

um Very excited to bring to council uh Christine or Christy um uh hopper for the for development services. Director and we'll actually have her come up and give her a real, quick introduction to herself. But I asked the council adoptist contract for her Services, which I'm very excited, which will help with.

M

G

Curve, the four-leaf contracts also.

R

Good evening, mayor council and members of the public and uh and any staff that I haven't met, yet my name is Christy. Hopper I come to you most recently from the city of Marina and before that the city of Monterey, coming to you with about 20 years of experience and urban planning and historic preservation, so very excited to move forward in this community. You've got a lot going on um and and I think. That's an understatement um excited to get started, and it looks like start date with the.

R

If the contract is approved would be next Monday so hitting the ground running.

G

So with that, we I asked Council to if you have any questions but to adopt her contract.

D

Do we have any questions? No, so would we is there a motion to approve this item.

E

I've been waiting two years for you and.

L

E

Pleased to make a motion to approve this contract and.

A

So when you said hit the ground running, that's running to work right, that's.

R

Running to work, okay, all right! Knowing now that the traffic in the evening is pretty bad I'll. Just hang out here before everything.

D

So can I get a second on that motion all in favor, aye, aye.

L

Yes, thank you.

G

Very much Council.

D

D

D

And our last item uh consent item A8 was that council member Burns did you have questions.

E

um Actually, I don't have a question. I have a comment now that we're moving. It seems as though, if Council moves this forward tonight, we're actually on track to start moving the project forward.

T

Absolutely we are and we're excited to move it forward. We've been getting a lot of questions on when we'll start seeing the building of the new park and the renovations at Dunn Park. So, um with this passing, we we could begin I and I do have um Roy on the line with veneer. If you have any other questions for you for him, excuse.

E

Me I, honestly I, don't I just would like to ask that in both projects. Maybe we put up some sort of signage talking about this. Is your taxpayer dollars at work? You know, particularly at the fire department over by the fire department on Union Road right now. It just looks like a a lot Full Of Weeds, aspiring weeds and problems.

G

I, don't like to correct council members, but I think we we named that street. Just if you remind I.

E

Don't want you to call Union right right.

L

E

Thank you if we could get the other sign up, I probably would remember, um and so um anyway, if we could get some signs up, I think it would be beneficial for the community to see that that's a future Park site and- and hopefully uh you know, I look forward to seeing what the uh what takes place there and hopefully it's in the next two years. So absolutely.

T

And that is part of the criteria to have those signs posted from prop 68 funds. So we will have that up and going and thank you yeah.

G

And we'll get those up quick that makes for great sense and.

A

If we get any updates on on these projected dates, can we can be a.

G

Timely intimidated yeah. Thank you. No problem.

D

If there's no more questions, can we have a motion to approve so.

L

D

Second, all right, all in favor. Yes, all right motion carries thank.

T

D

Right that won't take us to public input, so this is the time for anyone in the audience to speak on any item not on the agenda and within the subject matter: jurisdiction of the council speaker cards are available in the lobby and are to be completed and given to the city clerk. Before speaking when the city clerk calls your name, please come to the podium state, your name and city for the records and speak to the city council.

D

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C

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D

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G

Speaker I'm, sorry mayor you, you did actually say that you wanted to move uh F1 and 2 before right after uh consent.

D

Is that correct yeah? So do you want to stop me earlier right? That's a long time all right, so we've had uh requests to move item, F1 and F2 forward.

D

um So we are going to at this time go to item F2.

D

So may we have the staff report.

V

Thank you good evening. This is item F2 on the agenda, and this item is with regard to the initiation of a general plan Amendment and a initiation of a rezone for a property located within the City of Hollister.

V

um This item was continued from the December 15, no 17, the December council meeting. So the project oops what's happening. The project is located.

V

um It is two properties located off of Santa Ana, Road and San Felipe Road um and Maple Street, and the applicant is requesting authorization to initiate a general plan Amendment and the rezone for these two properties, which are currently designated North, Gateway commercial and zoned, North, Gateway commercial, the applicant's requesting to redesignate these properties to mixed use and then Zone to Neighborhood mixed use.

V

um Here's a map more specifically of the two Parcels. So again the existing uh General plan designation is North, Gateway commercial and their proposal is for mixed use, which currently allows 25 to 40 dwelling units per gross Acres. With the recent change to the general plan that was authorized in October of last year and then their rezone, which would accompany their General plan, Amendment if authorized to initiate tonight by the council, would be to change from North Gateway zoning to Neighborhood mixed use, which is our mixed use.

V

Zoning that implements the mixed-use designation in our general plan.

V

The project site is substantially surrounded by properties which are also zoned, North, Gateway commercial, and there are some resident existing residential to the East off of Sally Street and there's surrounding commercial to the west and North off of San Felipe, Road and North on Maple, which would be where our McDonald's is the post office and the new Starbucks is kind of in the southwestern corner of this property.

V

Part of our code, section 1724 290, does require that the initiation of a general plan Amendment come first before the council for approval and that initiation approval requires a four-fifths vote of the council, which would then authorize the applicant to submit a formal General plan, Amendment application and, in this case also a formal rezoning application to the planning department, which would then be processed through standard procedures. We would take it through environmental review, et cetera, et cetera.

V

So, if authorized, you might not see this actual General plan, Amendment and or rezone come back before the council for some time as it goes through the planning process. So our code has this initiation step, which is where we are tonight.

V

um The proposed again. This is kind of a general plan view on the left and Northgate or a zoning map view on the right.

V

um The North Gateway zoning district is, as our code reads, intended to encourage large-scale retail commercial uses, Office Park and service oriented businesses along the north entrance to Hollister along Highway 25 and sampley Bay Road corridors. It includes existing auto dealerships and opportunity for future dealerships along San, Felipe, Road, Corridor, south of Wright Road, and the North Gateway District provides opportunity for the Assembly of larger parcels and for the development of larger retail, commercial and or Office Park, and then this implements our North Gateway special planning area of the general plan.

V

So that's the existing designation and the proposed neighborhood mixed-use zoning district is provides for pedestrian-oriented commercial uses of low intensity and of a neighborhood character which serves the convenience of retail and service needs of nearby residents and high density, residential densities of 25 to 40 units per gross acre and the neighborhood shopping. Centers, accommodated by the zoning District typically have anchor market and drug stores with supporting neighborhood-related convenience businesses.

V

So that's the the two proposed well existing unproposed zoning districts.

V

um The council per our code is required to make three findings for determining a or for approving a general plan. Amendment, and so the first would be that the amendment is internally consistent with all of the provisions of the general plan.

V

um In our analysis of this potential General plan, Amendment again not approving the general plan. Amendment itself tonight, but if authorized I, see no concern with through the course of the review, any inconsistencies would be brought up and addressed through the amendment itself and those would be subject to the consideration of the council.

V

The second finding would be with regard to whether this would be detrimental to the public interest, health safety, convenience or welfare.

V

One thing that staff is noting for the council for their consideration on the authorization of the initiation tonight is that the city as you're aware, is currently underway with our general Plan update, which is a city initiated effort to update our general plan for the next um almost 20 years through 2040..

V

um The proposal to change this site to mixed use from its current North Gateway designation is inconsistent with the direction that was given for this property from the public, the gpac, the Planning Commission and the council during the Outreach process for the general Plan update that direction as it stands, which is of course, subject to change, and the general Plan update is ultimately subject back to the council's approval.

V

But that direction as it stands was to designate the site as high density residential, but with a specific policy regarding a commercial component that would be located closer to the San Felipe Maple intersection by McDonald's, um but it was for a high density, residential zoning, designation or general plan designation, and it was identified this way because it allows for it to be identified as Arena site.

V

um With that high density allowance, um it can be one of the sites that could be potentially selected for our six cycle, Arena um as kind of an automatic, because it has a High minimum density for residential mixed-use sites are more difficult to use those Arena sites. So we may be looking at needing to find additional housing sites during the six cycle. We might be having to do that anyway, but this was one of the sites during that process that was identified for high density residential with an intent to potentially use it as Arena site.

V

um Another thing to note is that we're not sure what the the financial or time effects might have on making this amendment to the general Plan update and the process on that um we would and I'll I'll discuss it a little further in one of my slides, but we would have to review if there would need to be any scope.

V

Changes to the general Plan update to accommodate this change into the general Plan update to make sure that both and processes are consistent and then one other thing to note is that the applicant for this initiation, while not at the place where they're submitting a development application, we did review as staff a preliminary application with them for this site, where we identified the concerns of the general Plan update and the timing for this project as well, but they are proposing or were proposing with the preliminary application, potentially a residential and live work site, and that may or may not be consistent with the new general plan, the current code or any potential code.

V

So there is a potential project, but staff hasn't analyzed it under any code or general plan, because right now it's designated commercial. So that was what we reviewed. The preliminary application under detail.

V

um The third finding is that the affected site is physically suitable um for proposed or anticipated uses.

V

This site is vacant and generally flat and surrounded by Urban Development, McDonald's, Starbucks housing to the left or to the east and south, and there is utility access ready readily available.

V

um There are existing access easements to both of the proposed or both of the sites for this property um from the new Starbucks development, because it is again part of our North Gateway commercial, which requires connected access between commercial pieces along the San Felipe Corridor to minimize access to San Felipe and keep it as a major thoroughfare. So there are some existing access, easements, which would need to be discussed in any development proposal and then there's existing commercial to again, the north and west existing residential to the east and south.

V

So this site is potentially a good site for a mixed-use kind of transitional property between those two existing established uses.

V

um But it is important to note that, as we stand currently, the NMU zoning designation, which is proposed and the municipal code, don't currently require a mixed-use product and we don't have strong design standards or guidelines. So in authorizing this initiation, the council should note that we could see a development proposal.

V

That's 100 residential 100, Commercial, horizontal mixed use, which means you have freestanding residential and freestanding commercial or vertical mixed use, which is kind of what you might think of as mixed use with the commercial on the bottom and residential or office moving up so right now we don't have any guarantee of what might be proposed in the NMU. It could be a wide variety of things.

V

So the options um for the city council tonight would be to deny the initiation of the general plan Amendment and rezone, and this would direct the applicant to apply for a project proposal either consistent with the current designation of North Gateway commercial or wait until the final General Plan update is adopted with a designation and then at that time they would of course be welcome to submit an application.

V

That's consistent with the designation of the general plan at that time or the council can of course, approve the initiation of General plan, Amendment and rezone, which would authorize the applicant to submit a formal application and for staff to begin processing those applications.

V

I would request that the council give direction to staff and the applicant with regard to the following. If they were to approve the initiation tonight, which would be that either the project would amend our current 2005 General plan and our general Plan update would be would have to follow this amendment um General plan amendments and the sequel, that's involved they get tied into each into each other.

V

So one kind of has to be designed in a way to follow the other, and if that was the direction from the council, um the question and the direction I would ask is: should the change proposed be incorporated into our general Plan update, so we would go to placeworks who's our consultant and ask them to um give us any scope of work.

V

That's required to amend any language and maps and anything like that to show this site as mixed use, which is the proposal or should the general Plan update, remain with the high density policy, endless changed in the draft later and then that would come after this amendment and I'm having to answer questions after because it's complicated um and so essentially the applicant would go through this process, make it mixed use, but then the general Plan update would would update it again.

V

So those are the those are what the two options. If this project goes and then the general Plan update follows and then the other option would be that this project would amend the general Plan update, which would mean that the general Plan update would move forward and then this project would be scoped and written in such a way that it was based off of whatever the update is. But that means that this project can't go forward until the general Plan update is done regardless.

V

G

It's a mouthful yeah.

V

So it's complicated um so.

M

V

Happy to follow your direction tonight, um but it's complicated so.

G

The difficulty is something.

V

D

Saying that approved this you're saying it can't be approved or it can't it.

V

Can I just need direction on what we're doing with the general Plan update as a result of this General plan, Amendment.

D

Going forward cannot approve something that would uh affect and be sort of go into. The general Plan update that we can make it that way so that we don't have to go around and around I I guess. My concern is the general Plan update is kind of nebulous at this point and I hate to have someone Sitting Waiting. We don't know how long you know that that's Troublesome yeah.

V

So we can definitely take your direction on. So if, if the council wants to authorize this initiation, we would and going with our my first smallest bullet point.

V

We would ultimately, this site would be mixed use, which is what the applicant's proposing, but we would go to place, works as staff and with this direction, and we would make sure that our general Plan update also shows the site as mixed use. Yes, and that that is where I don't have an answer on. If that's minimal cost it's a relatively small site, it could and it was analyzed as residential with some kind of commercial. So it could be very minimal, but I don't know those costs and that what those changes would entail.

G

Yeah I think staff wants to bring it to your attention, any changes that are inconsistent with it. The current General plan will have potential costs or potential delay to the general plan, but I mean this is a smaller project, so I should have smaller.

V

Consequences, oh.

D

D

E

Mayor I do have what I think are many that are probably very confusing as well and so I'm going to ask to reserve the right to ask questions after public comment. Thank you.

D

So then do we want to take public comment at this point? This point: do we have public comment.

F

Mayor Casey, yes, our first public comment is from Peter Lynn.

F

To be followed by Victor Gomez.

P

I am not Peter Lynn, but Peter is here he's the applicant and uh happy.

O

P

To answer any questions he may have so so yeah a little bit a little bit more comprehensive than than we were hoping that that we would bring this to you with, but um so uh just as a friendly reminder, I know three of you and I've met with with mayor Casey. We've discussed this project in the past, brought it to council back in April and um in green light right, do do what you need to do.

P

um We waited a month. We made it a two months three months and the general plan kept getting delayed, and unfortunately this is why we're here.

M

P

No no blame being cast on anybody. It is what it is. That's behind us. We have new leadership and certainly happy that um we anticipate you know the process of the general plan moving forward with that said, we had to. We had no option other than to bring this General plan amendment to you. So um we are happy with you know. If you do give us the green light today to process this General plan Amendment or initiate this General plan Amendment with bullet point one.

P

If there are any additional costs to it, we'd certainly entertain having that discussion with staff. But at this point we'd just like to proceed with the initiation of the general plan Amendment. We have a lot of work to do we're going to have to do environmental work as well. So we have a lot before we even bring a project to you so um again, we're um because of time uh we're going to cut our presentation today, but we've met.

P

We've talked about this live work and we're excited about it, because um your new general plan, designation, or at least in the conceptual map for your uh 2040 Vision plan it has it at full, high density, residential and though I personally believe no surprise. Coming from somebody like me that we need housing in our community and we need higher density housing, we'd still like to have office and office commercial component to it right. So your new general plan, your 2040 Vision plan, has its strictly residential.

P

We're actually saying: let's not do that you can you don't want to do that anyway, because right now you have North Gateway commercial and then you're going to high density residential. What we're saying is: okay, that's good that you're adding high density residential, but let's keep at least some commercial office space um in this project.

P

So anyway, um I just want to explain that to you again, we're happy to eventually bring a project to you if we get to that point, looking forward to working with Eva and and staff as well and your new development services director. Thank you for doing that, um and I certainly look forward to again bringing the project that we brought to you forward. This work live project that we've discussed in the past, we're going to pass on our presentation today, but we're happy to answer any questions that you may have.

F

Mayor Casey, the other public comment we have is from Elia Salinas.

Q

Good evening, I'm, not an eloquent speaker as Victor Gomez, so I'm just going to say it out. The general plan, as he said, is your general plan. It is not your general plan, we know what happened with the committee with regards to the general plan. This is a great idea to bring it forward so that we could start getting some type of economic development in to the City of Hollister.

Q

I would recommend that you go with the recommendation of going forward and allow them to amend it and I guess I was going to say in public comment, but because it has to do with the um with the general plan. The the amendment of The General plan um I strongly suggest that the entire city council go through the general plan to propose General plan through teeth and comb, as they say and establish a committee to maybe have some more amendments to that General plan.

Q

You don't need to start over, but that General plan was controlled by one individual and the entire committee was controlled by an individual and it does not benefit the City of Hollister, but that one individual and you need to please go ahead and amend this so that we can try to get this proposal going through it's going to take them a while to go through it. Victor Gomez, you all know, is an upright person when it comes to doing the right thing and going through the right channels.

Q

So the fact that that land has been vacant for decades and someone is coming and willing to do something with it says at least something that someone is willing to spend money to try to develop it so that we can have as a city. You can have some kind of tax revenue. So please um do the right thing. Thank you.

D

Thank you. So do we have questions from.

F

Members of the public.

D

On Zoom sorry, gotta.

F

Raise their hand no they've just come up. The first is from Mark foreign.

F

Mark, you can unmute yourself and you have three minutes.

W

Some of you guys can hear me yeah and thank you very much um mayor Casey, council members. uh My name is Mark shahinian I live in San Francisco. Thanks for the opportunity to address you. My family owns the land, this vacant lot upon which this project is being proposed by Republic um on behalf of my family I'd like to voice our strong support for the project.

W

So previous speaker mentioned, this has been vacant for a while when my family bought the land, I was 12 years old in the intervening 35 years. Republic is the strongest buyer. We've encountered with the most carefully thought, through vision for this property.

W

We've preserved this land for just this sort of opportunity for public service, and their carefulness has impressed us uh before we even signed a contract, Republican already put significant thinking into their development proposal.

W

As a small example, we thought we'd be the first to inform uh Blake Peters who's, the head of Acquisitions of the Republic that there are two main sewer lines running through the middle of the property explained to us that they were well aware of this already and they had already configured their internal drive. Aisles to align with those easements similarly Republicans struck us, as is very accommodating of others, needs in the community.

W

There are six Residential Properties that border our land along North Sally Street there after we were already under contract. Republic survey indicated that the fence line of those houses encroached Our Land by several hundred feet.

W

My father met with those neighbors and quickly learned that it'd be pretty awkward for them to move their fences back from our property, taking away part of their existing yards. We explained this to Republican. They agreed that if their project is approved, they'll Grant these neighbors a permanent easement at no cost. As you can imagine, the neighbors are pretty happy to get that news, so our site has remained vacant along the city's main major downtown Corridor.

W

For far too long, Republic's infill project appears to be aligned with the city's desire to keep halls for residents in Hollister in our desire to develop this property in a way that suits the city. My family hopes you'll, approve initiation of the mixed East General plan Amendment as previously proposed tonight, and do this as a critical First Step today. In allowing Republic to move forward on their vision, thank you very much.

F

Thank you, mayor Casey. Next we have Danny Casas.

F

You can unmute yourself, you do have three minutes.

X

Hello uh good evening, honorable mayor and Scenic Council, my name is Danny dasas and I'm, a lifelong born and raised Hollister resident on Sally Street I'm. Trying to express my support for this rezoning.

X

Our neighborhood is happy to see the new Starbucks and on simply by Road and I, see the old Taco Bell is getting a facelift. This is exactly what our people want to see here: investment people that shop local and take pride that better a community will be a look and feel and just like with a lot of people have already talked about.

X

This land has been vacant for at least three decades. At least my grandfather used to take me and my brothers to McDonald's, and we would always see how empty these slots would be, and you know sometimes trash would clatter up or sometimes you know, tumble weeds would kind of float around. So I think this development will help lightly up the place. um Make look taken care of three positive reasons, one to support this uh project. One! uh You know it's been vacant, the shovel ready ready to go two.

X

uh It's not encroaching on Farmland, it's not taking any new new land that hasn't been developed yet or planned, and two it creates possibly revenue revenue that could possibly you know, put into the park somewhere near there or somewhere, where else in Hollister, more investment more pedestrians to activate our neighborhood is important. This presenting will allow us to have some rental apartments, but, more importantly, it would allow for office space and commercial space which is really needed to encourage small businesses and just to keep supporting small businesses here in Hollister.

X

Hopefully, this project would have the ability to bring in more companies into Hollister that would help keep our people in town built more. You know local jobs to keep our people here and let them work.

X

um Let's you know please support this project. Let's keep supporting local businesses, support smart growth and let's try to get that tax revenue that we're always talking about. So thank you for considering this and let's get it done. Thank you.

F

Mayor Casey, Peter Lynn would also like to speak after all.

Y

Hi good evening Council, my name is Peter Lynn I'm with Republic Urban properties. The applicant for this item, I just wanted to give some words. I know we have a little bit of time, but I'll be quick. We have a presentation, I, don't know. If staff you have the on the computer: um okay, no, okay, that's fine! I can just I can just speak to you guys so um essentially like I.

Y

Think, like the speakers have said before this site has sat vacant in the city's Corridor leading to downtown for a very long time and it's one of the first sites that people see as they come into Hollister um so and due to the different utilities sites on the site.

Y

Currently, it's been very difficult for developers in the past to essentially propose a project because of the utility that runs through the middle essentially divides the site in half, but we have a solution for the site that we think will be valuable to the city, but it's really requires starting this General plan initiation today.

Y

um I would say that Republic we've we were found about 40 years ago, um just to give you guys a little sense of our reputation. um We have strong Partnerships uh in every jurisdiction that we work with we partner with the local cities and local jurisdictions. We are known for really Tod multi-family projects in urban infill sites, so we work with Bart, Caltrans and VTA up in San Jose in the Bay Area. So we know how to partner with local agencies in order to get the project done.

Y

um I want to say that the site, as staff has mentioned before, is located really on the edge between commercial and residential use. This makes it an ideal site for a mixed use project, because you need something that can transition from the commercial on the on the busy San Felipe Street to the residential on the east side, and we think our project, which I'll talk a little bit about, can do that.

Y

um We don't have the plans shown today, but essentially we're proposing uh 78, 9th or 93 units of for rent town homes, and these Town Homes will have what we're calling live, work units front in San Felipe. So these livework units will have two stories of residential, on top with commercial spaces, on the ground floor which allows us to really activate the San Felipe Street and then within the site. Our town homes are really built for families they're.

Y

Typically, three bedrooms about 1500 square foot, minimum and every unit has private open space, as well as access to the on-site amenities that we have um and then our project will be very sustainable. We are doing all electric project and offering discounted solar energy to all our residents.

Y

Our project is going to help with the city's Arena goals, we're going to add to the the income categories that the the state has for the city and also um okay.

Y

um I just want to say last thing is that livework units are great for the City of Hollister, because it allows jobs to stay in the city instead of people commuting away from the city for work by keeping people in the same site. Throughout the day you will have more activated businesses around the site and that we're not adding to the traffic. That's already really bad coming to the city. So.

D

Thank you so much. Thank you, council members before we have questions I just want to let you know that I am out of time and we do need all four of us to vote. So if you could be very brief in your questions, um if you can council member Perez we'll start with you.

A

um I I am all in for the uh getting them up and going as soon as possible. Whichever plan that was um I think it was the small one you said so.

V

I think the the one that gets this going is the the first one, which is that it will precede the general Plan update and the general Plan update, we'll go to placeworks and see what, if any, scope and cost amendments are required to put this proposal into the general Plan update as well and we'll bring that back to you. But that would be what would happen. Is any amendments needed to the general Plan update to reflect this project would be brought before you and.

A

Also, just one real quick comment: it seems like this property um Mr, Casas um Danny, um you know it's like they've, been saving it for this and what's the pipe, the infrastructure that goes through going out there and seeing those seeing all this and how it's going to affect people coming into our city and um I. Think it's a beautiful project, it's perfect! So that's it.

D

So I will give mine just very quick, there's um it's it's more generality, I I'm, very supportive of the general plan Amendment, especially since this is an area that we've talked about for high density.

D

um I realize we're just voting on The rezoning, but I do have a few General comments for our applicant. um You know there's a lot of things to like about this project. We want more infill development as opposed to Growing outwards.

D

um I know we seriously need more rentals, so this would help to expand our rental market. That I think is very important and I do like the live, work and play model it's environmentally efficient. Since you can walk downstairs to work, you don't have to drive, and it also provides a very small space for to encourage entrepreneurs to start businesses in Hollister, and the bonus to me is that it's load located close enough to downtown that it's going to provide an economic boost to our downtown businesses and restaurants.

D

So, while I, like all of these things, there's a couple of comments and concerns I have that I, just like you to take under advisement. These are larger. Three bedroom. Rentals that you said you know designed for families and I think I mentioned to you before. There's no taught lot that you showed me and I'd really like to see something like that. If you're going to have children there, um the other thing is that these are market rate. Rentals and I know we're talking about Arena numbers.

D

Everyone I think I've heard everyone on this council at one time or another talk about the need for affordable, and that is really a priority for us. So if there is a way to consider whether you can pencil in 15 to 20 percent deed, restricted units, you know within the complex, maybe at a more moderate 50 Ami that will help us reach some of our renewal requirements and it would make it a really appealing project for for me anyway. Anyways. Those are my comments.

D

So are we ready to take a vote then so.

E

D

A

Uber's on Uber's at the door.

D

Yeah I'm gonna get kicked out in a minute. So um can you articulate the motion.

E

So move to approve I, don't know that we need our first reading or anything and and so again, I think that this is just a council reinforcing what they committed to do previously in the previous round.

G

E

So again, this council is going to hold forward and hold to their word, and so um I'd like to see us move forward and so I'll make that motion.

D

Somebody moving forward with the general plan yeah.

V

Okay and with the direction for going to police Works to reflect.

D

This year,.

E

Yes, yes, absolutely option.

D

And do we have a second all in paper? Yes, motion carries four.

A

D

Okay, thank you. Thank you.

A

This is going to be great for our community.

N

Okay, so we were taking um another item out of order in terms of a public hearing.

G

N

And that is the resolution number 20 2314.

G

That should be ordinance number 1228, the ordinance of the City of Hollister, meaning chapter 10.10. The recreational vehicles originally.

I

N

We have the staff report, please sure.

I

Ordinance number one two, two: eight: an ordinance: the City of Hollister amending chapter 10, point uh 10, recreational vehicles and boats of the Hollister municipal code relating to use of storage, recreational vehicle. What you have before you is um previously we reported to city council.

I

We received Direction on this matter to amend our our current ordinances to allow certain types of trailers, recreational vehicles to be stored on the public, Street I mean on the driveway and also a permit process that would allow them to request permits on a case-by-case basis when they're going to be preparing for trips or returning from trips. What you have before you are exactly what we spoke about, with the exception of um Council, requested.

I

No, um no restriction on the number of permits per year and staff is requesting that you not do that because it won't you already not charging a fee for a permit. They will be free, even though staff time staff will be dedicated to monitoring this this uh um these permits. But if you do not, if you do not limit the number of permits that they can get in the year technically, they can get a permit.

I

Every three days and park it on the street indefinitely, so this ordinance request does does State 10 permits no more than four per month and no more than 10 in the 12 month period. We can amend that you can amend that if you like, but that would be the recommendation of staff to put some kind of limit on how many permits uh the residents and the trailer could request to park their vehicle on the street.

A

So I I agree, I understand what you're saying and I agree with that. I just think that there's there needs to be some type of process where um like having a limit, whatever number that is and but if I mean I, know the older I get the more I want to take my RV. So it is I mean on not a case-by-case basis, but if someone's not taking advantage of the system and it's truly using their recreational vehicles and I think we should be able to accommodate that.

A

Also I, don't I, don't know how you come up with the limit and then give them extra.

E

Vice mayor Morales I'd like to defer my comments until after public comment. Please.

N

Clerk, do we have any public comments.

F

Yes, we do have two public comments for this item. The first one was from Doug vol.

S

Good evening, I'm, here to uh to speak as a trailer owner, that's currently parked in my driveway we've been campers. All our lives started out with tents, I went to a tent trailer and about 10 years ago he decided to go ahead and purchase a trailer. We made sure that it would fit in our driveway. It wouldn't uh jut out into the sidewalk.

S

We felt that it was allowed and the reason we felt it was allowed is because, as we drove through town we'd see hundreds literally hundreds of trailers parked in driveways, and just as you do now, as you drive through our town, you'll see hundreds of trailers that are parked in the driveway. Two months ago we had a code enforcement officer come up and issue a notice that we had two weeks to move our trailer.

S

This is, after 10 years of it being parked in the exact same location, so um I think in order to um first of all, I appreciate the consideration and the Amendments like I said we felt that was okay, ultimately I, guess it's our fault to know the code or Our obligation to know the codes, but, like I said it's been sitting there for 10 years, doesn't jut out.

S

It meets all the current amendments and fortunately, Chief has allowed us to keep it there without having to move it until this thing is resolved because it does meet all the Amendments, so I'm just asking for some consideration with the with that's our personal situation and what has happened.

S

One thing I, don't understand, though, is the as I read through the Amendments is the uh the requirement for a cover and it's the specific wording is to avoid visual clutter and blight, and my personal opinion is that those covers create more visual, clutter and blight and uh I just think they're ugly, my neighbors don't have an issue with me parking my trailer where it is now, but I'll bet you when I start putting a cover on there, they're going to say what did you do that for I?

S

Don't understand the reason for that and I think the intent to to eliminate visual clutter you're going to be shooting yourself in the foot to require those now I'd be happy to buy a cover. If that's what it takes to keep my trailer in the in the driveway but I I think even the language. That's in the amendment is, is kind of subjective and it's going to create more problems for the city staff to enforce it.

S

It talks about a tight, fitting cover or in lieu of that, a tarp that fits appropriately you're going to have more complaints out there saying hey, look at this look at this cover. Look at this tarp, that's on the on the trailer, but, like I said, I'd, be happy to purchase one if that's what it takes to to keep my trailer parked in the driveway.

S

So once again, I just appreciate your consideration: the fact that we've had it for 10 years and then to have to move it I just think it's unreasonable and just not fair. Thank you.

F

The next public comment is from Luke markling.

Z

F

Quite sure, what.

Z

He said wherever he went right there good evening. My name is Luke. Markham I live at 1851 prune street I'm, going to make a couple like to make a couple brief comments on this acting mayor, K, Casey or mayor Casey, and acting mayor. Dolores Morales got this email. Yesterday, public roadways are paid for for public use. We pay to register and insure our vehicles to use the streets and Roads Hollister is generally a hard-working middle class. Community many residents choose to use a variety of recreational methods for their families.

Z

Camping and off-roading are common, bonding family experiences and traditions in this community. We're fortunate to live near Hollister Hills.

Z

Why is parking a boat or an RV any different than parking, a car or a truck whether I have a 4x4 truck trailer or a single motorcycle? What Public, Safety service does is really met by restricting what's been on my driveway for 10 years.

Z

The City of Hollister now allows alternative dwelling units or adus on residential lots. These are permitted in Hollister's effort to accommodate needed, affordable housing units and to find solutions to our homeless crisis. You are talking about affordable housing earlier.

Z

Why not Implement a process to permit RVs as adus, if an otherwise law-abiding tax paying resident is living on private property in a private RV? What really is the problem? We don't live in ours. We take a traveling to go, see our grandkids.

Z

Lastly, a note about the ordinance or the survey so very good survey, very interesting. Seven responses were included from non-residents. Why were they included? And yet my spouse, a tax paying registered Hollister voter was not permitted. Complete her survey is limiting the opinions of City residents per household as Equitable as including non-residents, non-taxpayers opinions. Thank you.

F

Thank you, sir. The next public comment is from Elias Salinas.

Q

Thank you vice mayor, Morales, um I, don't know how you can prove that an individual didn't get a survey, I kind of questioned that and someone should follow up, whether that occurred or not, and it should not have occurred.

Q

um A lot of people do not complain about their neighbors blocking their View so that they don't have a neighbor dispute. That's what's happening. The worst part is when it blocks The View, to be able to back out most people back out, 90 something percent back out of their driveways or their garage and those trailers. Those boats RVs, whatever you want to call them, are blocking the view and can be dangerous.

Q

There's also those that park on the street and they block The View, specifically on Corners. They block the view from being able to see on the corner of a car is coming or not. They drive they park it on the street. The next door neighbor cannot see because the traffic is being blocked, so they are, they are, they could be, they can be a hazard and, as far as using a trailer from the h, an Adu is not the way to go. That's not sanitary! You need you need to have the electricity in there.

Q

You need to have the plumbing in there. You need to have all that so I know that you guys would not I hope that you would not try to consider something like that, but I think you should go along with the recommendation of the police chief Reynoso and abide by what the recommendations are he's. The expert he's been out. There he's been doing this for a few years now, where this has been coming up.

Q

We have the ordinance come up God five years ago, I think when I first came when I first spoke about this type of subject um granted, it is an investment for these individuals. It is money that is being spent and these these toys are very expensive, but we also have a shortage of storage in the City of Hollister and in San Benito County, but there are other Alternatives instead of having them in their driveways or having them.

Q

Some of them are able to actually have enough property on their sides of the house that they can actually push back so that it's not in the view, and not so much about a view, that's ugly, but a view where it's prohibiting an individual for making a right decision to back out of their driveway or maybe there's a kid on the sidewalk. You can't see the kid riding their bike or a person jogging, so it's a hazard waiting to happen. So thank you.

N

F

Those are all of the public comments for for this item. Thank you, Mr Brooks,.

E

uh Thank you vice mayor Morales, so I I would like to uh make a motion to approve with some revisions for council's consideration. Paul. Thank you for having that uh ordinance available on the screen. If you could roll down to um E2 and in essence, E2 talks about the need for a cover and um I understand that part of the reason from the original presentation spoke to wanting to make it more difficult for people to live in RVs I.

E

Don't necessarily know that that's a real factor, I can certainly understand the concern, but also a cover would cover the license plate and ultimately, if it's covered, then there's no legal way short of a warrant to get the license. Plate number off of the vehicle to identify the registered owner. So I see this as a hindrance.

E

I also, don't think our code enforcement or our law enforcement should be the Good Housekeeping police, specifically, although I know, sometimes they get caught up in these situations, and so I would like to recommend to council that we remove E2 and and just eliminate that element moving forward to E3 talks about the setback.

E

uh I I of three feet from the garage and um I thought: I heard our Fire Marshals say during the last presentation that that really wasn't a concern, and so, if I heard that correctly and I believe he's in the audience now, I would like to have that removed as well.

E

Moving forward to E4 talks about parking parallel in a driveway, there was a photo that was presented to council for a property that is located at the corner of Valley, View and Sunset, and we were told that it restricted the entrance into the garage. But what we weren't necessarily told was that's actually a second garage for the property and the people are able to park their vehicles in their primary garage and ultimately, that's the only one I've seen and it has always been there.

E

It would come and go periodically as a result of the ongoing conversations.

E

It has in fact disappeared, but it was well maintained and it was parked parallel or actually no, it was parked horizontal in the driveway required a lot of work to get it there, but I really don't see where that's a major factor and so I'd like to recommend that me removed as well, and then I too had a question on item F regarding parking permits and I too was wondering I thought that if you paid your registration fees, that that gave you the legal right to park a vehicle on the roadway, a public roadway for up to 72 hours, and- and so if in fact, that's accurate, then I don't know how this city as a general law City, could circumvent the state law in regard to that, and so for me, that's an area that needs to be further researched.

E

In my mind. um Moving on to number four permits um in the 10 days, I have some real concerns about that. As council member Perez has expressed on to item 7 F7, where it talks about traffic, cones required I understand. Maybe the the perception but I also have concerns about liabilities.

E

So if we require people to put a traffic cone out at the front in the back of the vehicle in the street and that cone gets hit as a result of us requiring it to be there, do we have any exposure reliability um as a result of that action, and so I would pose that to uh our City attorney and then, finally, under section four under fines.

E

What it says is that um the amounts of the penalties for the code violations opposed pursuant to this chapter shall be set forth in the schedule of penalties established by the city council. And so, however, when you go and you look at that schedule, if you look at that specific code section, it really doesn't talk about the fines or penalties. But if you've, if you further mine the Munich code, what you'll find is the proposed fines would be under 1.16.020 that initial fine would be a hundred dollars.

E

Second, fine would be 200 and the third fine would be five hundred dollars for every day, they're up to for the remainder of a calendar year or not a calendar year but 363 additional days, and so that those fines were established in 1997, based on the ordinance that I read and so I'm really wondering if the fines are, the fines meet the crime and so for me at the end of a year.

E

If somebody ignored this thing, dirty math, they could potentially owe the city about a hundred and eighty thousand dollars, and and that's just ridiculous and so um I I think that I could vote in favor of this. If we can answer the questions that I've raised but I'm thinking, there may also need to be some more work on this before we pull the trigger on it, and I would also I know that it's not the council's prerogative to direct staff on not to enforce, but I do know.

E

It's the city managers within the city managers, authority to direct staff and and I think that this needs more work and I recognize that this has been kicked down.

E

The road for five years as I understand it and I appreciate the will of this Council to take this hat on, but I don't want to rush to get it to the Finish Line to Simply, say we're done and we move on because, obviously at some point people thought it was done five years ago, five years later here we sit dealing with this, and so that would be my ask of counsel. Finally, I would assume with only three of us here.

E

It would take all three to align to move anything forward word and so no I'm, sorry I'm, seeing heads moving so.

H

um So I did want to make a general comment: councilmember Burns.

K

H

The ordinance as written was reviewed by the city attorney's office and, and that review includes ensuring that it complies with all state law, ensuring that it's internally consistent and also consistent with other city ordinances, um and then we typically review for uh clear language and and making sure that it's not not ambiguous right.

H

um So so, from the perspective that you brought up a couple of areas where it may not comply with state law or it may pose some risk to the city that has already been reviewed. That being said, the city council is certainly welcome to make revisions. If it consensus of the council wants to do so, and this is the first reading. So if there is our material changes to what's written, we would just bring it back or Seth would bring it back for a another first reading prior to the second reading.

E

So I I guess, based on what I've heard you say, mine is something that the city manager or the chief could persuade me on I think that would be probably my recommendation to this Council to make revisions based on the council's direction and then bring it back for a re-reading for the first time. Thank you appreciate the time.

I

Thank you vice mayor Morales, if I could just comment the the tarp or the covers, although there's uh some gentleman here, advising that their vehicle looks nice and presentable and don't have any issues with their neighbors we're making an ordinance for the entire city and not everyone. Has this nice trailer and some to avoid the blight there are covers. We wanted uh um professional covers that what the language was added for tarps, because there is a possibility to make them uniform, looking and not create the plight.

I

But if you want to remove that, that's that's fine, um the three feet from the from the garage. That is something that the fire chief requested um I, think the comment was that there is no specific law that says that requires that, but that was a recommendation of the fire chief. Now, if you want to remove that, that's that's your prerogative.

I

um um Recreational vehicles not parked horizontally. You advise you saw one and you don't know if it's that common of a problem, the problem is going to be in accessing the garage. If there is a fire, if those vehicles are parked in a horizontal way and there's multiple and it increases the blight when you have vehicles parked in a direction where they're not usually parked, so that's why that was there. But again, if you want to remove that, that's fine um um F4 permits um there there is.

I

um There is uh an ordinance currently at the city that says you are not allowed to park your trailers or your motorhomes on a public Street unless you're, specifically um loading and unloading.

I

um So that is a current ordinance, so this permit process allows for those residents to request that permit so that their their vehicles won't be uh ticketed or fined and as regards to the limits, um that's still um your prerogative. If you want to increase the number of permits per year, that it's understandable um and the traffic cone, we have some.

I

Some of these trailers are pretty wide and, um as you see all the all the utility vehicles, a lot of utility vehicles put out a cone, your your cable guy, your ATT uh phone person, they put out a cone and they put it out for safety. This ordinance required or requested a 12 inch, a small cone to be put no more than five inches away from the corners of this.

I

This is just something to allow those Vehicles as they're approaching, to understand that that vehicle is a little wider than in most cases of a car and and that's why that was there and as a City attorney mentioned, this was reviewed by them. It was uh modified and made actually sounded better after they got through with it and appreciated all their their input on that. But any of those changes, if you want to make those are the reasons why they're there.

I

But it's it's up to you if you want to make those changes or if you want us to go back and and bring this ordinance for uh forward again next next council meeting.

N

um Did you have any comments.

A

Yeah I'd like to thank the staff for um working together on all this um I know. I brought this up a while back. um The cones I think are a good thing. um Even when I used to park my truck trailer on the on.

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A

um Grass I would still put out a cone just for people not to hit their knees on it and stuff because that hurts, but um the covers I can really go either way. I've seen covers um that are pretty bad, so it's you know it's um in fact: I need a new cover for my jet ski, so the um so they can get in and look actually worse than just looking at the vehicle.

A

um So I can go either way on that. The um um the number of permits.

A

I would say.

A

15 and anything after that, it would have to take get a special permit, um something to that effect. The um horizontal I I parked my vehicle and, of course, you know, it's properties have different. Everybody knows they're all different shapes and sizes.

A

My I always Park I'm, one of those guys parking backwards, because I always want to leave quick because usually they chase me out, but the oh, that's just to me, I've always from limo driving anyways, the um um you know.

A

If, if it's, if anything's blocking the view of any um uh neighbor resident, you know it needs to be addressed, whether it's just temporarily or where they park it permanently, because I know I come up to a stop sign, and um do you have to sneak out there to to get around that that big, 4x4 or whatever truck vehicle? That is in the way um the um what was the other one um fines. So our fines right now are 100 200 and 500..

I

Actually, um if I may add for that, the city attorneys uh provided me, the document that's actually 250 750 and a thousand and it it is it's not on the schedule. It's on a resolution that was uh previously passed by the city, council and I, don't I'm trying to find it right now, but it does specifically address it. This this ordinance in in that section so and.

A

Then then I guess you know what I know this this is people are going to start talking about. Well, what about the um does? This also include the cars, the uh project, cars, the um the trailers. What do you call them? The um pods, you know I know we have a permitting fee for that, and I think that one's way out of uh um the fees are way unbalanced. On that one too, that's that's something. I've always said that we need to address, um but.

A

um I think it's something well, that's needed needed to be talked about for a long time, I'm glad we almost got in front of it um and that's all I have to say I'm, not sure if we can actually come to a conclusion tonight, because of so many questions.

N

But I'm, coming back with some revisions, I share the concern about the fines, I think if the Russell, so there needs to be Clarity in terms of the resolution and what Mr Burns found I think that needs to be really clarified. If that is a daily fee, that is going to be a considerable amount of money for our residents.

N

um I. Think on the other issues, there is consensus. So if um what is the pleasure of the council? Yes.

G

I believe I we did I'm looking at the chief, did you get your direction that you needed to making adjustments, because it does appear that it needs to come back for uh a new first reading.

A

The other thing is about that. You know what there's only three of us here and there's. There's there's more opinions out there than just ours, um I, just uh I like I'd like to see it was have a full Council all the time, but in I mean I'm coming in and I'm I'm in pain right now, so it's like I'd like to see that everyone try to make it to our Council meetings, because these are important decisions, not just for this issue.

A

It shows us that we're getting things done here and especially when this The Not So smaller issues, are taking so much time that the big issues nobody wants to deal with- and you know it's awesome to see I, don't know if you've anyone else has noticed, but our seats are getting more and more full and um the public interaction with our Council.

A

That's what makes our city really good so.

N

So uh Chief do you need further clarification for Council on this matter? Do you have enough Direction.

I

If I can just confirm, I will be forwarding you that ordinance that says that the fines are 250 and 750.. I bet I'll forward that to you later tonight and recreational vehicles so no cover or cover no cover um the three feet from the garage.

R

Okay, actually.

A

Because you know what I thought we were talking five feet and then we went.

I

Down it went down to three: we went down to three yes, yeah I thought that was originally he did say five and then um he reduced it down to three um horizontal or parallel park. Do we want to make that restriction or not I I personally, do not.

I

You know what you can always come bring this back to you. Well, this is yeah. You can always come back. If this is anything doesn't work, we can always come back, but for now that we do um when I bring this back, do you want this included in there or removed the requirement for it to be parallel to the roadway in the driveway.

N

I

Said no, let's.

N

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I

um Council, member Rick Bettis, you said 15 um the number of permits per year. Is that a number that's agreeable to the rest of the council? Or would you like to increase it or decrease it? Mr.

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E

I

Always, okay and.

I

The cones on the on the roadway at the edge of the of the trailer, if they're parked when they're permitted and allowed to be parked on the street.

E

Based on what the City attorney is weighed in on I'm, fine with them, yeah, okay,.

I

I'll bring it back with the removal of those items and also including the literature and the documentation for the fines that is included in the resolution, so I'll bring it back at the next council meeting. If that's okay,.

E

Thank you chief for the City attorney the Fine Thing Really is troubling to me and and a resolution I guess that I didn't know existed and um I I. It's my understanding that the council has a sole Authority, based on a review of the code to establish what those fines would be as long as they don't circumvent state and so I would like, maybe for the attorney's office, to work with the police department to give us some other fines I for me, I just they seem excessive to me. Candidly.

H

H

Lee um amend them, it might be helpful to have a sense of what you would think is an appropriate find if that's something that the majority of council could provide. If not, we can propose something and and come back yeah.

E

I think, as councilmember Perez alluded to the fact that we are three-fifths of a seated Council I think it would be good to maybe just get in the uh anything some recommendations, because I I don't want it to be a slap on the wrist. But I don't want to have somebody file bankruptcy either as a result of parking, their RV in their driveway. Okay,.

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A

I think that's the part that I really am excited about, because knowing the staff and knowing the condition of us RV years that you know what I have confidence that they're going to come up with a good resolution in the beginning, so that we don't have to even get to the fines.

N

So from do we need a motion with direction or are you fun proceeding, as as we are.

H

No motion required so as long as staff has what they're looking for okay.

N

I

I have the directions.

N

Thank you very much. um We are moving back to public comment. I believe is that correct.

M

N

Thank you, everyone for being with us. This is the time for anyone in the audience to speak on any item not on the agenda and within the subject matter. Jurisdiction of the council. Speaker cards are available in the lobby and they're to be completed and given to the city clerk. Before speaking when the city clerk calls your name, please come to the podium state, your name and this and city for the records and speak to the city council.

N

If you're joining us via Zoom, please click on the bottom of your screen. To raise your hand if you're joining us via zoom using a cell phone, please press star, 9. each speaker will be limited to three minutes with a maximum of 30 minutes per subject. Please note that state law prohibits the city council from discussing or taking any action on any items not on the agenda city clerk. Do we have any public comments? Yes,.

F

Vice mayor, we do. The first is from Peter Kehoe.

AA

Good evening City Council Members- this has been very instructive to my wife and I.

AA

um We just moved here about a year ago, about a year ago last week on the 10th and uh I'm, a consumer of medical services, for whatever reason God has blessed me with a lot of problems and um I'm used to we're from San Jose and I was in Palo Alto with Palo Alto Medical Foundation at Stanford I had the best care, but it cost a lot of money, and my wife is a lot better off than I am.

AA

But since we've moved here, I've been in Hazel Hawkins three times and uh she's been there for Less. You know a couple, but a couple of times and two things: we love Hollister best move I've ever made I'm a big city boy and I retired. A few years ago, I'm a former social worker for the county, I'm a licensed mental health, therapist and I will be working soon in this area part-time, but we're trying to get involved.

AA

You know in the in the you know, coming out of ourselves a little bit now that we're settled in, and the timing is crazy, with the politics and the uh the weather and everything and.

M

um But the Hazel.

AA

Hawkins thing really gave us a joke because I mean I'm I'm facing the prospect of that white getting helicopter out of here. If something happens to me, you know what I mean. Are you crazy? You got a beautiful 25 bed hospital up there with the best staff, I gotta tell you and I'm a Critic. You know trust me. I I give it to him if I have to if I feel it, but on the other hand, I got to say one is great.

AA

It's great and Hazel Hawkins has really impressed me and to hear that they're going to rip it out from under us because of some Financial Monkey, Business I, don't know. What's going on, um but uh I'm thinking of starting to GoFundMe for the damn place, you know and we can't let it go and I know uh we tried to go to the meeting.

AA

We got enlisted to people that here's the Hawkins to notify us of all upcoming stuff so that we can get out there and Shout out for hazel Hawkins at these meetings and we got canceled the other day because of the flood and I'm. Also, a Red Cross volunteer and all that stuff Katrina, you know, um but uh so we weren't able to go there. So we said: let's go to the city council and I mean it's your city right, our city now, so what are you guys doing about it?

AA

I want to know because I don't see, updates anywhere I'm trying to get online or go into this news. Hollister news and stuff, and looking around and asking the square I joined it I'm doing my best to try to catch up and I still don't see nothing.

AA

So you guys like working out and stuff and trying to do something that can make I think we got three million right from the state alone, but that's seven million short and they still got to pay the loan back so what's going on and what are you guys doing something about it? Do you talk about it? Well, I'm! So sorry, oh hey story of my life, I'm Irish! It's not my fault! Okay, all right.

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B

Good evening vice mayor Morales and council members, my name is Marty Miller and I'm. The developer for the Twin Oaks active lifestyle Community here in Hollister. My purpose tonight is to request a hearing on the development impact fees. Twin Oaks is currently being charged by the city.

B

The city commissioned a development impact fee, update study in May of 2019.. The conclusion of that study was that occupancy densities, I.E residents per dwelling unit are the most appropriate characteristics to use for most impact fees.

B

The fees impose should be based on the land use type that most closely represents the probable occupancy density of the development.

B

Two years ago, I came before the council and requested the hearing to review our impact fees, which we believed were too high, based on our estimate of household density, which, at the time was 1.67 seniors per household.

B

A planning staff member spoke at that time and assured the council that the density that we, the low density that we were experiencing, would ultimately increase and uh to the point where it would be equal to a traditional single-family household in Hollister of 3.53 people per household.

B

Based on staff's recommendation at that time, Council denied our request for a hearing.

B

We have now sold 84 homes in the community, half the final build out of 168 units and our occupancy density is currently 1.63 seniors per household. In order for the density to rise to the traditional single-family density of 3.53 residents per household, the number of occupants per home for each of the remaining 84 homes to be sold would have to increase to more than five seniors living in each of our two bedroom homes. We are currently selling.

B

Therefore, now the council implemented the fee, update, study, recommendations and based on that I think. The only question to be considered is which is the most appropriate estimate to be used for the occupancy density of the Twin Oaks project.

B

Therefore, we resp I, respectfully request the council put this item on the next Council agenda available, so that we may have an opportunity to properly present our data and justify our request for reduction of impact fees. Thank you.

F

The next public comment is from Victor Gomez.

P

First, vice mayor, Morales I just want to say, welcome to the young couple that moved to Hollister and I love, seeing the new population here and our residents. We got plenty of houses to sell down here.

P

um Taken off my developer hat um I do want to just share some information with you and welcome all three of you and then I'll reach out to Mayor Casey as well and uh councilmember Resendez, but I'm here wearing my Goodwill Silicon Valley hat um I'm a board member for Goodwill Silicon Valley. We have 18 stores between Hollister and Palo. Alto I've been on the board now six years and I'm.

P

Your only representative board representative down in our area, so I'm happy to advocate for the needs of our Hollister residents, Gilroy and Morgan Hill generally, and so first I want to welcome or invite excuse me invite all of you, including Brett David, to visit our sorting facility in San, Jose, learn more about our company and what we do, our non-profit and really the impacts in our mission that we do as Goodwill Silicon Valley.

P

In addition to that, I've been having discussions, I don't know if you've visited Goodwill in Gilroy and other locations in San Jose, we do have career facilities as well, so we've set up computer labs to help those that have been previously incarcerated or have dealt with drug issues and so on and so forth, I'm hoping to implement something like that here, locally at our Hollister location.

P

So I look forward to maybe having that conversation with you when we visit when you visit us in San Jose last but certainly not least, I was having a conversation with assistant city manager marioni this morning and um on a different topic, and he says: hey Victor, aren't you on the Goodwill Silicon Valley board and I said yes, I am amongst a bunch of other things that I do volunteer and he said hey.

P

You know what are your thoughts on what's happening with the with the recent floods in in our area and I was like I know exactly where David's going on this one put in a phone call to our CEO and I just wanted to share with you publicly today that to start off we will be uh preparing at least 200 gift certificates to be used by our local residents that have been impacted by the by the recent floods.

P

So if you know of them, please either send them my way, but preferably I would ask Brett to please let me work with him or David, and then I've also notified a County Administrator Ray Espinosa as well, because I know a majority of those flood victims do reside in the county, but we will be contributing these 50 gift certificates for any individual, that's been impacted by by the recent floods and if 200 isn't enough, we're ready to keep printing. So you have our commitment here locally.

P

Our Hollister Shore is one of the busiest stores out of our 18 stores in Silicon Valley, and so we're very happy with that. We receive a ton of donations as well that get distributed system-wide in Santa, Clara County and in San, Benito County as well. So again, I welcome you to visit us and we're happy to provide the support for our community.

AB

Finally, public comment: yay so nice to see you all Susan, Lowe, Hollister I, just wanted to say hi to all of you back and those of you that got back again and uh wreck you too, and of course yeah Rick's still here um and Mia Casey. Of course, I wanted to say hi to her and welcome her um with the friends of the library.

AB

We continue to work into the community and I'm also with the Coalition for a new community library and Resource Center I'm co-chair with that um we're very happy to share that the library will be expanded. Thank you very much to a grant that Nora has written.

AB

9.9 million will be put into the library and we'll be getting an actual renovation of the library we're at the site that it's at right now. So we're very excited about that and I know Nora's planning for that and we're just trying to help out as much as we can so we'll probably be looking to the city for maybe some help from the city.

AB

Also because we're very concerned about the interior of the library, once it's done so we'll probably be coming and hoping to speak to you about that and work with you um I think there was a Library ad hoc committee, I'm, not sure where we'd stand with that now, maybe we'll be able to find out, as we start with the new board here. So thank you for that and just in general anyone new welcome to Hollister and there is a meeting on Monday night at the Vets Hall in regards to Hazel Hawkins hospital.

AB

If anybody would like to know it's at 5 30. on the 23rd, so I'm sure I'll see a lot of you there. So thank you so much and it's great to see you all.

F

The next public comment is from Monica abbance.

C

Good evening Council, my name is Monica abonce I'm, the recycling coordinator for San Bernardino, County, Integrated, Waste Management I just wanted to take the time today to invite you all to our upcoming biannual uh green business mixer in partnership with the San Bernardino County Chamber of Commerce. This mixer will be held on January Wednesday January 25th at hardiness San Juan in San, Juan Bautista. The event will begin at 5 30 PM. This mixture is intended to recognize all recently certified and recertified green businesses here in San Benito County.

C

So we hope that you can join us in celebrating all their hard work and commitment to both our community and the environment. Thank you.

F

The next public comments is from Elia Salinas.

Q

I need my glasses, because I cannot read my own writing.

Q

um First off I'd like to start off with thanking uh super uh city, councilman, Rick, Perez and mayor Mia Casey for the work and the information that they did with regards to the flood victims.

Q

If they were out there trying to help um I liked it uh Maria spandry from the Vets uh Linda Lampe and a supervisor B Gonzalez were all active in that and I urge the council members to please um communicate with the Board of Supervisors and trying to work together and trying to help our community most of the victims or all the victims actually from the flood were, are all County residents out on Lovers Lane and the poorest of the poor were affected. Those are people that they're renting small trailers to live in and they've lost.

Q

Everything um I was reminded by um Sarah over at the food bank that this is just the beginning.

Q

Those people affected and this rain is going to affect the Farm Workers, because there's not going to be it's going to be delayed. The spring planting is going to be delayed, we're going to have more people in need. So please be aware of that when the Food Bag comes for you, please be generous to them any way that you can.

Q

um They helped over 60 000 people and not as individuals, but on a rotation basis. During covet, they were very, very helpful and they're they're a great resource for our community.

Q

um We already know we have a housing issue and with all these people that have been displaced, they have nowhere to go. I have seven families right now that are communicating with me that I'm trying to find a place for them. So if any of you know someone who knows someone who's got a vacancy and it has to be at a low rent, it can't be 3 500 and it can't be twenty five hundred dollars we're talking about Indigent people, but they need a place to live.

Q

Unfortunately, in my opinion, the response uh was not a hundred percent done correctly they're going to have to do some quarterback Monday Monday morning quarterbacking on what the what happened. But the worst thing for me was the fact that we have a place in San Benito County, where to take the animals, but we did not have a place where to take humans when they lost their homes.

Q

Please work with the um the county with regards to the hospital issue. I Watsonville within one year was able to create a Hospital District to be able to buy out the hospital and restart again, and that was with the help of Senator John Laird. So I would encourage you to use your positions with it as city council titles. They pick up your phone calls and ask them or ask his staff and him to to help San Benito County to get a hot, the hospital to save our hospital. It's very very urgent.

Q

We don't have anything else in San, Benito County, so thank you.

F

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F

Next public comment is from Maria spandry.

AC

Good evening vice mayor Morales and city council and amazing staff, Chief renoso Iraq um I'm, just here to tell you I- have I just wanted to thank each of you, because, when I called for any assistance like this on Sunday night, I had something and so um I I have to thank Mr Dave over here. He was instrumental making sure to check on me to make sure we had everything and I'm just checking on the little things that I needed. I do really want to encourage you, because my biggest issue was communication.

AC

Truly the VFW we stepped up. We made meals the first and we just you know. I was hoping not to step on anybody's toes, but we see people wet no shoes animals. Thank you so much for coming and get the dog getting the I'm taking care of the animals. Because it's you know, that's like their babies. You know we adopted a husky. He tortures me but I love him, but your your staff, amazing, just so loving but I, do encourage you to talk to.

AC

You know really really communicate with them, because the lack of communication and who's in charge and going back and forth I was like okay. Well, we're just gonna.

AC

Do this and I'll just beg for forgiveness later of what we needed to get done, because the need for shoes, the need for socks, people coming in Waist, I, waist high wet everything was just a mess right now we are accepting donations and when I get them from the VFW I will write letters, I promise and thank yous and they're, giving me gift cards and I turn around and I, give them to the families and they're like oh, my God gas money.

AC

Oh my God I can you know I can go get my own underwear, I mean it's basic human needs and to be able to have a shower, you should have seen their faces. A shower I get to take a bath where I get to take all of this water that has been contaminated off. My body I mean truly, it was amazing, we're working on laundry and so but the basic human needs are being met, but I just don't want you to forget them.

AC

Yes right now, they're going to be here, I, don't know how long they're going to be in our building, but don't forget them because they have no place to go, and so after this The Lover's Lane I mean I. It's going to happen again. If we don't work on the Levee, it's going to happen again and again and again, and so in the future.

AC

We need to have a plan of action like immediately who's, going to be doing this and who's going to be doing that we have, you know we have the opportunity as the VFW and being the building manager. We have the opportunity to have amazing resources. People are coming out of the Woodworks like what do you need? What do you need? What do you need, and um so far I've been able to give socks? Pillows, Target, love, Target they've just said: what do you need and they've?

AC

Given me, pillows they've, given me, blankets, couples are coming out. Give me 500 gift cards, and it's just it's amazing how your community has really reached out, but my biggest point is: please don't forget them because they have no place to go after this. So thank you.

F

The next public comment is from Linda lamp.

O

Good evening now, I get to see how hard you all work every but twice a month, wow anyway, I'm here not so much to bring a complaint but to bring awareness and I think we can all learn from this flood and This Disaster. The holes that are in our community and I see Rick shaking his head uh and Mia Casey. Mayor now knows what we do. A lot of people don't know what a Hollister community outreach is and what we do.

O

You many people think we just serve the homeless Community, which we do and we have for the last 14 years and we're committed to doing that.

O

But I don't know if you know, but we also during the pandemic, served over 1100 families which constituted to between 5 000 to 6 000 people a week for two and a half years, and a lot of that was with the efforts of Bill, Lee and Martha's kitchen, now we're serving between five and six hundred families a week and we are serving the truly underserved the people, mostly the wahegan community, that don't speak Spanish or English and they even have their own dialects within dialects.

O

But we've worked with resources like United Farm Workers, in order to establish that Rapport and that trust. So we're talking about the truly underserved. My concern is: how do you notify people during a crisis when you don't have that level of trust? I'm praying that we can come together as Hollister community outreach. I want us to be able to outreach to the entire Community which we serve, and then we have a resale store.

O

I guess we're a mini Goodwill, but we call it worth saving the restore, because we believe that people are worth saving and then we help restore people. We've helped over 200 people get off the streets permanently into long-term drug and alcohol recovery. We've seen people graduate from college people working at McDonald's, but sadly I've also officiated at 27, funerals and and so work with your non-profits.

O

But let's develop a plan: let's have ambassadors from each Community to know how we're going to serve people and I want to just really thank Rick, because Rick has been out there with us for what nine years he was with us that last flood and he brought so many people into my father's house and by the away I. Don't know if you know, but we're no longer at 910 Monterey Street. The landlord never did anything.

O

The pipes upstairs burst and came down on us, and there was a little Spanish church and all of that raw sewage poured down on us and I said holy crap. We have got to go anyway. We don't have a building right now. We need one, our homeless, friends need it, and you know uh Maria at the Vets building. They did a great job. I need to finish this. You have to be prepared. There are homeless people out there who are mentally ill, who have drug issues.

O

What do you do when you have a mentally ill woman come in and you have traumatized children and you're trying to serve the whole segment, but I'm here to tell you that everybody is worth saving if it's a mentally ill woman or that little child we need to work together. Thank you.

F

Vice mayor Alice, those are all of the public comments.

N

Thank you all for sharing information. We will take it to heart city manager, report yeah,.

G

Just a report that, yes, there is going to be a town hall meeting for uh for the Hazel Hawkins Hospital on uh Monday January 23rd at 5 30. and then um then uh Victor yeah. Definitely.

G

Okay, thanks Rick, we'll work with them and see if we can use this facility.

G

Yeah well, I mean we'll offer this site also yeah. But thank you for letting me know uh and then uh like say, I'll work with Victor on the gift certificates, David and I will work with him and that's all I have to report on D1 and then for D2 and nothing to report. At this time.

N

Next, we're going to do E1 and that's resolution number 2023-14, a resolution of the city council of the City of Hollister, adopting the City of Hollister 2022 local Hazard mitigation plan from the planning department.

U

Good evening, Council um Amber Cameron senior planner, as mentioned tonight's item, is consideration of a resolution of the City of Hollister adopting the city of Hollister's 2022 local Hazard mitigation plan online. We do have our primary consultant for this project. Aaron Feinstein from Atlas planning, Solutions, so I'll turn it over to Aaron.

AD

All right, can you hear me: okay,.

F

Yes, we can Aaron.

AD

Aaron, oh great, thank you hi. My name is Aaron Fanon. So without those planning Solutions um we'll go ahead and uh get going with the presentation for tonight and next slide.

AD

Foreign we're talking about uh the city's update to their local Hazard mitigation plan.

AD

This was led by the Hollister planning department and the purpose of the plan is really to open the door to mitigation Grant dollars that are not available to all communities that don't have an active plan in place and these plans have a five-year expiration and we wanted to make sure that the plan was updated to stay in line with that and ensure that over the next five years, this city has the opportunity to pursue FEMA grant funding that comes out um on a regular basis. Next slide.

AD

So um the localizer mitigation plan is really one of several different uh plans that a city typically uses when, when they're addressing their hazards of concern, uh the city's been uh working uh through.

AD

What the uh the general Plan update and as part of that uh there's, an update to the chapter that deals with hazards known as the safety element uh and every city and county typically has an what they call an Emergency Operations plan, and uh these are really the three documents that has mitigation play on the safety element and the EOP that help a community understand the hazards that they are worried about and the steps that they need to take.

AD

But they act differently because of their different tools and the safety element really focuses on the long-term effects of Hazards and ways to address them. Whereas the EOP is really focused on being highly specific and focused on short-term uh short timelines for action, and so, if you think of the rain storms that we've had over the last couple of weeks, most cities are are activating their Emergency, Operations, centers or pulling out their is they're really dealing with. What's going on on the ground and the hazard mitigation plan.

AD

This is really a strategic plan that looks at over the next five years on specific actions that the city would undertake to try to mitigate or alleviate some future risk through use of these mitigation Grand dollars, and so using all three of these and aligning them really helps in ensuring that you're effective in creating this future change next slide and what is Hazard mitigation? Well, it's really about taking sustained action to eliminate long-term future risk from hazards.

AD

uh It's intended to make your community less vulnerable to Natural hazards before a disaster strikes and the whole process that we went through is designed to develop an actual plan that gives the city departments uh specific actions that they can undertake in reducing that risk next slide and what it does you know at a in its fundamental uh attributes it it really helps you discuss what are the hazards within your community?

AD

um What are the risks associated with those hazards, so we look at analyzing those risks.

AD

um What does the city currently have as far as policies and projects to reduce risk, and then what can be added to that and then what direction to take in implementing and monitoring this plan over that five-year time frame next time?

AD

uh So to do this, we embark on a process Where We, Gather uh staff members from various departments, as well as outside agencies, uh San Bernardino, County, Emergency Management staff were critical in participating in the process uh and uh and really have conversations about the issues that those departments are dealing with and and the opportunities that you may be able to incorporate into this plan to leverage that potential grant funding next slide um and and really again, the main reason to prepare this plan.

AD

It's um not only about reducing life and the loss of uh reducing injury and property damage, but it's really about making sure that the city is eligible for FEMA grant funding, um and this is again mitigation funding. This is not connected to uh um getting Public Assistance funds for Recovery costs, uh which most cities are now dealing with and grappling with because of the the recent storms. uh What this uh these funding sources are is um annually the building, resilient infrastructure and communities grant funding and the flood mitigation assistance.

AD

Grant funding is earmarked in the annual budget uh created by Congress and that funding then is divided up amongst all of the states and territories, and so it's highly competitive.

AD

In addition, every time a disaster declaration is signed by the president, the jurisdictions within the boundary of that declaration are eligible for what are called Hazard mitigation grant program dollars, uh and these recent storms that California has been suffering from are now under a disaster declaration that was signed by President Biden just a few weeks ago, and so, as a result, uh once all of the damaged assessments have been tallied, there will be a line item in there for mitigation grant funding that any jurisdiction that has an approved Hazard mitigation plan would be eligible to pursue and start tackling some of the issues that they've identified in their Hazard mitigation planning process next time.

AD

So the hazards that we looked at for Hollister included seismic hazards, drought, severe weather human cause, hazards, Hazmat release disease and pests, Wildfire flooding, aircraft and geologic hazards. One thing to caution, though, is that when you look at that list of Hazards, only those that are considered natural hazards are eligible for the FEMA grant funding so anything associated with human caused hazards or has hazardous materials released or aircraft incidents.

AD

Those are the types of hazards that were important to the community because of unique conditions within Hollister, but they would not be eligible to pursue these FEMA Grand dollars. However, other grants may be, the the city may be eligible under different Grant programs and connecting it to the house mitigation plan may be one way to tell the story to the the granting agency as to why it's important next slide the process that was used to develop the plan. We started in March 2021 and worked internally with City staff and departments and the county.

AD

We then went through a process to do public review and stakeholder coordination. This was between April of 2021 and in February of 2022. We did uh have a conversation with the general plan advisory committee and provided them with some insight, and then the plan in February was then transmitted to San Bernardino County.

AD

This plan is part of the overall San Benito County multi-jurisdictional Hazard mitigation plan, and so this we treated this plan as an what they call an Annex, but it is still the city's Standalone plan and what you'll be using to guide decision making in April of 2022 through October. It was reviewed by both Calais and FEMA and in October it was approved by FEMA, giving the city the option to now do their adoption, which is where we are today next slide.

AD

During this process, the city leveraged a lot of the work. That's been done with the general plan and used a lot of the Outreach resources that they had gathered. With the general plan team. We did an online survey that had 42 participants. We did some online promotion through social, different social media.

AD

uh We again had that public meeting with the general plan advisory committee and the drought plan again was released in February and there were no comments received that resulted in changes to the plan next slide. uh One of the things that we as a standard practice at all of our plans- and we found this to be an issue for a lot of communities- is now that you have a plan.

AD

What do you do with it uh and we've added in this implementation handbook and our goal with this- is that instead of carrying around 150 page document uh with you all all the time, this would be. You know around a 20 to 30 page document that you could carry with you. That gives you the basic nuts and bolts of what you need to do from an implementation standpoint. So our intent here is to really make it easy for All City departments, City staff members to have something that is quickly at their fingertips.

AD

When we're talking about projects budgeting and the like next slide, and with that I'm happy to answer any questions you might have and uh clarify any anything. I may have um overlooked.

N

Oops, sorry, thank you for the presentation. Do we have questions from Council.

A

No I, don't I, don't have any I think it's uh appropriate timing, so I don't know how you got to be able to figure that out. What's the uh whether people in charge of the weather and uh people in charge of our agenda, but um I am totally for preparedness, um I, don't know if you I always get these words like Community. It's, like all of us, come in unity to do things.

A

um Prepare I, I'm gonna save this for later, but thank you. Yeah.

N

Thank you, um my only question: what does this document live? The implementation handbook.

AD

The implementation handbook is actually an appendix in the has mitigation plan, so right at the back, it's the last of the appendices, uh but it the the intent of on how it was designed was for somebody to easily pull it out and be able to carry that with them without having to carry around the entire plan.

N

Let me uh rephrase the question: is it on our website, where it's accessible to the public or if anyone's interested in understanding or reading? Where would they be able to find it.

U

So currently, the City of Hollister does not have its own plan. um It would be on the counties website. That's available um personally I find it a little bit difficult to find. But if we were to adopt our own plan, we can work with Paul and David and make sure that it's accessible not only having the multi-jurisdictional aspect so the whole San Benito County plan, but also having a more direct link for Citizens. If they would like to view Hollisters.

M

N

There a way that, maybe we can say useful links and then be able to provide a link out even if it's outside and and the County's plan, that way people are able to access the information.

N

P

Perfect, okay,.

N

um I will now open the public hearing on this item.

N

City clerk. Do we.

F

Have any public comments vice mayor Morales, we do not have any public comments for this item. Okay,.

N

I will now close the public hearing for this item.

N

Any discussion.

A

A

I I'd like to hear more I'd, like for the city to come up with its own plan that will tie into the County's plan that will tie into the state which will tie into FEMA.

A

um Like I said you know a lot of this I'm going to be talking about a little bit later on my G4 G2, um but um you know what you can never be over prepared.

A

You know I'd rather be over prepared than underprepared and when it's your family, whether it's an animal, that's your found me or a person. You know what um no one wants to see their their P, their loved ones hurting and if we're not being prepared, um we're going to see a lot of that and that's gonna, that's that's Hollister is that's not Hollister, so I'd like to see Hollister come up with its own plan.

A

I think we got to people and in place and stuff to coordinate, to tie into all these other sources and I'm extremely happy that we're doing this on I, don't know if there's ever a small disaster, but um because, when it's affecting you there's nothing worse in the world going on, but um I I think this is a good opportunity for us to tighten up and and get better prepared.

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AE

Yeah I'd just like to add um one of the items that staff is working on and we'll be bringing forward to your next council meeting. We've been working on it since, before the holiday break, is requesting an RFP, giving us permission to issue an RFP for disaster, debris, removal and coordination. Services, that's an actual Niche industry, where there are firms that will come in and coordinate.

AE

All of that, if we were to let's say, have an earthquake or another flood where they can come in and and coordinate those efforts bring in all of their equipment and help coordinate that what is interesting about the business model is, it's typically a no cost to mou with the municipality and they are activated when, when there is an emergency declared, and so once that state or federal emergency is declared, then that gives us the the authority to bring them in and then typically they're working under um FEMA claims.

AE

So um and then the reimbursement comes to those firms, once a FEMA claim has been submitted and paid, and so we've been exploring that it's just about done. But I wanted to add that just to this discussion to know that in on top of this, this is something that your staff has been working on and we'll plan to bring it to the next council meeting for further discussion.

N

Thank you, okay, any any other comments or discussion on them on this item. If not, can I get a motion so.

E

I'll make a motion to hold a public hearing read by title only with full reading and introduce an ordinance of the City of Hollister amending title 17 zoning ordinance of the Hollister municipal code and schedule a second reading and Adoption of the ordinance for the February 6 2023 city council. Meeting.

H

Councilmember Burns, that was the resolution for the next item,.

L

Oh well, I'm ahead!

L

Oh well! Let me let me okay, so this one's easy right.

G

L

To move to approve.

N

First and second,.

E

N

Yes, yes thank.

U

You um I just wanted to quickly bring up Eva approached me and wanted to let you guys know that this. What you adopted tonight is the city of Hollister's plan, that's ours. So it's already one step in implementing what we as a city want to see the um the handbook that Aaron was talking about those are kind of like breaking it down into steps and who's responsible for what and what.

M

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U

Or departments are going to be responsible for and what we want to see implemented over the next few years and making sure that our city is safe. Thank.

A

You for that in the United States, if there's anything, I'd love to be part of many of that, it's it's near and dear to my heart. Thank you and.

G

We'll get it on our website.

N

Great I was going to ask: can we do a campaign around that.

G

Can we do yep.

N

Reports from City Council Members regarding committees in which they serve.

G

No, we still have E2, which.

N

Is the ordinance.

E

I'm sorry I, apparently.

N

Threw you off as well. My apologies. We're all awake, we're a little welcome hello good evening.

AF

The item before you tonight is um some amendments to the zoning ordinance related to site and architecture, review, plan development and some new design standards that staff is recommending.

AF

This is part of the over of the zoning ordinance overhaul that we previously discussed during a joint study session with the Planning Commission phase. One is all the Amendments that we need to make to the zoning ordinance to comply with new state laws that have been passed since it was first updated, that's underway.

AF

You recently adopted the Senate Bill 9 two unit, Housing Development ordinance staff is going to the Planning Commission at the next Planning Commission meeting to discuss accessory dwelling units as well as density bonuses, and that should hopefully, unless the state passes more laws. Yes, that should complete phase one. This is part of phase two and what we discussed during that joint study session was staff. Has there is a number of issues with the site architectural chapter in particular, and that's what staff uses a lot?

AF

That's the permit that most people are applying for when they're applying for something through us, and so we had identified that this was a priority for us over the rest of the zoning ordinance because we're having so many issues, there's a lot of things that are unclear um various other problems with it. When we started phase two, we noticed that we couldn't just do site and architecture review.

AF

We have to do the whole section that it lives in, because everything built off one another and there are also some inconsistencies throughout, and so that becomes a very big portion of work for us and what we needed to do was split it into two pieces kind of get some things going for us now.

AF

That can help us out and help kind of guide development and then we'll come back with study sessions with the Planning Commission discussing these changes and then obviously we'd have public hearings on them, and that will take a little bit of time. Then phase three is the rest of the zoning ordinance.

AF

So this is obviously a much bigger plane where this is taking us quite a while to complete for a little bit of background on on this phase, 2A that we're calling it this was reviewed by the Planning Commission on November 17 2022 during a public hearing.

AF

During that public hearing, the Planning Commission requested that staff come up with a phasing plan for how to implement the one of the changes that we're proposing, and so we did that they were satisfied and on December 15th, they adopted a resolution recommending that you approve the zoning ordinance amendments that we're going to discuss tonight.

AF

So one of the big changes that we're recommending is that we modify the site and Architectural section of the zoning ordinance to now require certain site and Architectural Review for all single-family developments over to three or more dwellings. So it's sb9 units, obviously or those are the two units they'd be reviewed separately once.

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AF

Over three, it would require certain site and Architectural Review the chapter, the way that the section is currently worded now it excludes properties in the R1 zoning district from site and architecture review, but a interpretation was made long ago that, as long as it was single family, we weren't going to review it. So, even if you're in west of Fairview, with a specific plan, you don't require, we haven't required site and architecture review we'd like to consistently make it so that all single-family residential developments over three require State and Architectural Review.

AF

What this means currently is that if I am a developer and I have 500 single-family dwelling units, Planning Commission looks at the tentative map. Nobody ever looks at design, so we are looking at setbacks, potentially with that tentative map depending we can get I'll go into a little bit more of that later, but we never look at design. The first time we see design is that building permit stage, so the developer comes in applies for their Master development plan.

AF

They are required to give us four different styles for their single family development and that's all we can review that. We cannot it's ministerial. We can't review anything else. What we've noticed recently is that there are some developments that are coming in where they're calling them four different architectural Styles, but they really aren't that different. The code doesn't give us any sort of restrictions and again it's mysterial, so we can't really work with them on it. There are some other areas in which maybe they don't meet.

AF

Portions of the zoning, ordinance and staff is spending a lot of time, but again they don't have a permit with us, so we're Limited in what we can do and all the time that we're spending is under their building permit, not under a planning review where we can work with them a little bit more and where we would hopefully have some findings that we'd have to make and other things in the zoning ordinance to help us out when we're viewing their design.

AF

What we are recommending as part of this is you can combine your site and architecture review with your tentative map. If you wanted to, um but if you already had a tentative map, you could then submit to planning when you're ready with your design, so I'm, sorry for review by the director when you're ready, so tentative maps live for a very long time and then once they're finaled, it could be many years down the road before developers actually ready to build. So they'd have time to think about their design.

AF

If they wanted to time, to you know things change. Obviously, as you go further down the road towards development, you know, maybe you wanted to change change. What you wanted to do. It gives you more time to think about it or if you are ready to go, you can combine everything all at once and then just go to Planning Commission.

AF

um So that's just what I basically just went over.

AF

So what I like to do is I like to look around at other cities and make sure that what we're asking is Not Unusual and is not a burden on on people.

AF

um The table that you can see above it's kind of goes over some of the jurisdictions in the area, and you can see that for the most part, except for one city site, a review by either the director or the Planning Commission is required to look at the design of a single-family residential development. So the one exception was Salinas. They require a site plan review through planning, but they don't do design review. That's the one exception.

AF

Some cities also require um review of additions to single family were not recommending that it's just brand new single family.

AF

One of the other things that staff is recommending to be included right now within the site and architecture review is the list of findings, and this is a long list. So I won't read them all and waste your time. But what findings do is they give us the record for why we've approved a project, so oftentimes staff will go back 20 30 40 years later, and we read the resolution with the findings.

AF

If we have a question on why we approve something and the the, why is supposed to be in there, so I can easily tell someone says: oh, but you approved this 20 years ago. I can go back and look at it and say: well. We approved it. For this reason, that's why we approved it or if we were reviewing something- and you know we noticed a project that was maybe built a few years ago- we're like well. Why did we approve that one?

AF

The findings will give me a clue as to what we were doing and I can then use it for this. This next development.

AF

It also just establishes really the legal reason for why we're approving the project that we're approving these findings will go for all permits, approved under site and Architectural Review, and so that would be a new building. Let's say industrial building, commercial building, multi-family everything that gets wrapped under that site and architecture review. We don't have findings right now in the code, so staff developed some basic ones that we've been using, but we'd like a list in the code, that's comprehensive and that applicants can see ahead of time. So they know what we're looking for.

AF

Someone who wants to design a project can look at it. They know what we're looking for really just makes it more clear for everyone both for us, the Planning Commission and then the architect developer, whoever they are, they can go, find it on their own it'll, be in the code super easy to find.

AF

So with this change, we are recommending that the requirement be phased in. We know we have people in for building permit review right now, we'd like to let them continue to go forward in that process and not require the site and Architectural Review. Now for anyone in this kind of interim phase before this takes before this becomes effective, we'd like them to be able to if they're ready they apply for their building, permit, either their plot plan or their Master development plan and we'll let them go on in the process that they've already started.

AF

We're not going to tell them to stop. Now. You have to get a different permit, so we'd like to phase it in to make it more not so cumbersome on some people that are already further along in the process, and this was also a recommendation of the Planning Commission. They wanted it phased in to not make it a burden for anyone.

AF

So the big change would be in this section, which is talking about project review, as you can see in the top upper highlighted area that we're removing, where it used to say R1 now we're just saying: Architectural Review is required for a new single family residential developments and then in the bottom, just to it's in the code. It's clear we're talking about that phasing that says you applied for your building. Permit you're fine. As long as you do it before this becomes effective. You get to move through that process.

AF

Anyone after that would then have to follow the new process, and it really helps kind of ease everyone into this new system that we're proposing.

AF

So as part of this, one of the other recommendations that we are making is to require site and architecture review with a planned unit. Development request, a planned unit. Development request is, is when a developer would like some sort of relief from the code, so let's say they're in R1. They feel that the standard side, yard setback is not something that they'd like they'd like a reduced setback. Maybe they want to add some interesting porches to their development, so they want to reduce front yard setback they're, asking for some relief from the code.

AF

The way that it works now is that someone requests the plan development and tells us what they want, what their their exception to the code is that they want, and then they apply for their tentative map that gets reviewed by the Planning Commission and it's done, but we don't know what the house looks like so they're asking us for these reduced setbacks or some other sort of incentive from the city. But we have no idea what it looks like of reduced front yard setback might sound very good. But what does it really look like?

AF

Is it a big flat wall? Is it a blank wall? Getting close, we don't know it's not required right now, so really. A planned unit. Development is something that the city allows relief from the code to encourage better design, so I come in and I have this interesting development and I want to Cluster homes around a garden area and have like a little walkway and maybe a fun area where people can hang out, but to for me to make that work to pencil.

AF

I need you to wave my front yard setback and my rear yard setback. Then the Planning Commission can look at the plan. We have a new finding and they say that actually looks really interesting, we'll waive our setbacks and allow you to build this new, interesting development. So that would be one way where a planned development would would work again. Maybe they want some interesting porches to activate the street, so they want a very reduced front yard setback that can also be a very interesting development.

AF

Something new for the city provide a different sort of housing type. The Planning Commission might look at that design and say yes that looks good we'd like to approve it, so that would just help us be able to see to visualize these requests that they're making um as minorly in this proposed amendment. The City attorney noticed some other minor changes that we should make just for clarity, and so those changes are Incorporated in your attachment.

AF

Where you see some kind of lines edited out, so it's really for clarity, and it was at the request of the City attorney the last one is a big one right now the zoning ordinance, as we kind of briefly touched on when we were just when I, was discussing site and architecture review. The zoning ordinance does not have any design guidelines, standards, etc for well any development. Really.

AF

The state has passed two bills: Senate Bill, 35 and Senate Bill 330, which now allows the city to only adopt objective design standards. In the past there are some cities that had adopted subjective design standards. The state says we can't do that anymore. They have to be objective, which means I, read a rule, and the rule tells me I. Can do something and it's easy to follow. I, don't get to use my judgment at all on whether or not you followed it.

AF

If I say you have to use 10 materials on your building, that is objective because you can use 10 materials on your building and I can't say: oh wait now I want 12..

AF

um What we are noticing is a number of projects that are coming in that are not designed well and because of SB 35 and SB 330 I can suggest that they change their design, but I can't enforce it in either can the city, because there are no design standards that we've adopted so, for example, I after I had written this ordinance I opened up a set of plans for a multi-family development, and it is a white box literally a white box. That is what it looks like. There's no articulation the roof is flat.

AF

There is not much going on with this building, but our code doesn't tell them that. That's not okay. So what we are proposing is a new chapter, chapter 17.30, and it will provide objective design, standards for single family and multi-family, and this does two things one. It helps us with the design of the buildings that we are seeing in some cases, not at all in some cases for buildings in the city, when a building is built, it will last for a very long time.

AF

It doesn't matter if it's the most attractively designed building or not, it will be there for a very long time and as you move through a city, you can tell you, have your older District those houses for the most part, look the same that they look like 100 years ago, so you can see that the life of most of these buildings will be quite a while and I. We don't have anything to help us out by having these design standards they're in the code. Anyone can clearly read them. It's there before you design your project.

AF

You are aware of it. It is mentioned in the code. It's easy to access. If I am a developer, I can read it. If I am an architect, I can read it.

AF

You know ahead of time what we're looking for, and it's really just to help staff out, as well as the Planning Commission, with some of these designs that we are seeing as part of phase two, we had discussed design guidelines for city-wide and these design guidelines will be for things like uh multi-family mixed use, various areas in the city- and this is one of the areas in which we identified that we did want design guidelines. In this case, we have done most of the work, so these guidelines are temporarily in the zoning ordinance.

AF

Until we can do that comprehensive design guidelines, they will then move into those comprehensive design guidelines where we get to add pictures and diagrams and other things other things to make it even more clear. But what we're asking for in this sort of interim time- because we have quite a number of project stuff- is working on right now we're trying to get the general plan done.

AF

Those are our priorities at this point, and so we need something kind of interim to help us out help the city out and really also ease people into the fact that we will be having design guidelines. This is kind of like a baby step towards moving where we're trying to move where we have a comprehensive design guidelines document that will guide development in most of the city in the future.

AF

So, in conclusion, staff is recommending these proposed modifications to promote better development in the city, design of single-family multi-family residential developments, we'd like to be able to require a site and Architectural Review for single-family residential developments with which is a change to ensure that those projects are comply with the zoning ordinance.

AF

What the design guidelines do they comply with the design guidelines we'd like to review their landscaping, place conditions of approval on the project if we needed to none of which can be done at this point, with the way that the process is set up, we'd like to require a planned unit, development request be with a site and Architectural Review. So we can see what they're asking us for what does it?

AF

Look like a drawing a flat drawing on a piece of paper showing me some setbacks does not really show us what it looks like without seeing that design of the building. You know those are two different things.

AF

um We would like to again include the objective design standards to help guide development in this interim area that we're in where we're trying to get to the design guidelines, but we have other priorities as a city such as you know, development applications, the general plan other things that take our time right now, so we can't fully move forward with that and those things will take a while anyways to do, and so these changes are very minor, so we could do them quickly. The other ones will take us quite a bit of time.

AF

The next steps in this process, because obviously the zoning ordinance overhaul, is a long process, as I mentioned, we're going to go to public hearing for accessory dwelling units and density bonuses. This after we had them drafted the state passed more laws, so we had to go back and fix them so that one took a little bit longer and obviously more time.

AF

We're hoping to be done with this by March of 2023 phase 2B, which is the complete overhaul of the 17.24 chapter of the zoning ordinance, is partially underway. But obviously, once we finish tonight, we have some other things. We need to finish up, we'll begin working on that um in more we'll, be spending more time on that and then phase three, which is the rest of the zoning ordinance.

AF

It's the entire rest of the zoning ordinance um we'll begin we're going to start partial work on that, because it's so much work, but most of the work will not begin until this phase 2B, which is the 17.24 as well as design guidelines, is completed. That concludes my presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have. Thank you do.

E

We have any questions from Council vice mayor Morales,.

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E

um You you mentioned a comment that tentative maps live for a long time in your presentation and I I was under the impression that about two years ago we had some sort of a change where a tentative map was only valid or had a life of it was either three or five years and so I want I just want to be clear on that, because that's a huge red flag to me to begin with, and so.

G

Yeah my I mean you are correct, but the problem is that a lot of times they can find uh exemptions like if, like when we had uh the sewer moratorium or recession there's a lot of times. They can get extensions. So that's.

M

G

The the concern is okay,.

AF

And once they file their final map, the layout is locked into place. Okay,.

E

AF

You can have a final map for eternity. Okay,.

E

And and I I will say, um this is a lot to deal with on a council regular agenda item that I think it would be better to bring this back candidly to a special meeting to have a sole conversation and candidly. It didn't help that the council received a 1962 page Council agenda on Friday at noon and to try and go through all this.

E

This is technical and so I'm I'm not I'm, not opposed to um the conversation but I think there's a lot more questions to ask than I've had time to be thoroughly prepared to make a decision on.

E

um Did we reach out to the building industry Association, or did we reach out to the development community and what are their thoughts and what extent of Outreach did we have other than simply noticing this.

AF

We've had two public hearings with the Planning Commission that were noticed I've, given the draft design guidelines to people that I'm working with to let them know so they are aware I've never had any feedback from any of them that they have any comments or questions. So that was what we've been doing the interim. We are obviously trying to get this done because we're trying to catch a few that don't look very good and in the absence of design guidelines, this state tells us there's not much. We can do.

L

E

I think I'd like to reserve opportunity for follow-up after thank you.

N

um I I agree that Sir Mr council member Burns I think there's in other cities like in Palo Alto when they had and I love, I love the white box as they had a very similar design in those areas, and those are now I, don't know when they were about, but now they're they're, something of a okay. You know that's what people want so I think with with time things change um when Senate bills are passed, it's more of reactionary policy, and there was a lot of thought put into that.

N

So I would like a little bit more time to process as well and I would like it to come back for a special meeting.

G

Well, we'll work on, um should we withdraw it or.

N

Well, there's also a public yeah.

G

We should do public hearing first.

AF

um No I mean it's the longer that these things take the more we can't do so, obviously for us we'd, like things to help us out um as quickly as possible. So that's our own internal timeline, but then this sorts of this delays, like other things, that we can do obviously with the rest of the zoning ordinance overhaul, because this is stopping what we're doing for the most part.

N

N

I will now open the public hearing on this item city clerk. Do we have any public comments.

F

Vice mayor Morales, we have one public comment from Victor Gomez, okay,.

P

Honorable vice mayor members of the council, victor Gomez, with Pinnacle strategy, local land use consultant a couple of things. First just want to thank staff for for their work on this, certainly not a not an easy lift, um but I will say that the only reason the only reason I found out about this is because I watch every Planning Commission.

P

Even if I don't have an agenda item on the Planning Commission I review every uh Planning Commission agenda I cannot attend the Planning Commission, where this item came up and so I wasn't able to um to Lobby the commission and ask for some changes.

P

um So the the state is passing laws for for a reason, because we can't build housing fast enough right and um I know. Some may not feel that way, but somebody that works in in cities like San, Jose, Watsonville, Santa, Cruz um Hollister, is actually a pleasure to work in um it's uh it's nice to to work with uh with staff the Planning, Commission and Council. But the reason the state is passing these laws is because the development process, the entitlement process is absolutely burdensome.

P

um I was able to get two vesting tentative Maps approved at the Planning Commission over the last four or five months. I started those when actually I didn't start. Those I voted for them. When I was a council member in 2014 and we got them approved in October of 22.

P

eight years it took to to approve a vesting tentative map for 92 Lots right. So I understand that there's a desire to review. We don't want to see these cookie cutter type developments out there. No problem with that I have no problem with that, but there needs to be extensive. Review of of these changes. Moving forward, I'm a member of Bay, Area, Bia I think I may be the only member of Bay Area Bia as an individual here in San Benito County um I. If it wasn't for me reviewing agendas, I wouldn't know this happened.

P

This was happening. Bia hasn't even reached out to me. I was texting them right now and they're like we. What what are you talking about right? That's a problem um attended a map, a couple of ass that I have as you. If you continue this item and bring it back to a public hearing, uh there are vesting tentative maps that are already out there. I ask that you not apply this to vesting tentative Maps Okay.

P

So if there is a vesting tenant map approved, um allow them to go through the process and not have to submit uh not have to submit to these changes um and and I would also suggest that we make those changes at the Planning Commission level, because sometimes there are indifferences between the applicants and staff and we'd like discretionary review by the uh by the Planning Commission for those uh proposed changes.

P

uh The the addition of 17.30 is another barrier of approval again we're at we're putting more obstacles in front of entitlement and development as we move forward.

P

um But what we need to do is meet as a development, Community First. We need to have a public hearing. We need to have this individually discussed. Where are The Architects? Where are the engineers? Were? They notified? Yeah I've stayed here, because this is important to me. This is important in the work that I do here in Hollister. That's the only reason I'm here, but I didn't have an opportunity to go and blast it out to the world right.

P

uh We need more engagement, vice mayor, so um anyway, I look forward to working with you and staff as we move this forward.

F

Vice mayor Morales there and other public comments for this item.

G

Yeah and then to add vice president, if you can remember that the staff was asking to have joint sessions with the Planning Commission and the council to discuss these items, but with everybody's different schedules trying to herd the the council and the in the commission at the same time was just. We just couldn't get following dates, but that would be staff's.

O

Recommendation.

G

Is to still have those joint meetings, but if you want to just have a special meeting with the council, we can definitely move that forward. Also.

N

Right I, there's three of us here so.

AC

N

Maybe um I'm not sure if you can communicate, but so.

A

I I would like to see more representation from everybody from the council from developers from engineers and everything. This is a huge topic and it's a lot of spaghetti that I, don't understand um but I drive. I do have trusted professionals here that I trust so I. We need to have a special meeting so.

G

What I would and I don't like special meetings, yeah that we withdraw this item and then we'll um we'll reach out to everybody and we'll try to get a uh have it reagendized in the future meeting uh which sounds like either we'll have to do it on Saturday or as a particular day during the week.

N

I think that's fine and I'm fine, with the joint meeting with the Planning Commission as well. Okay, Mr Burns.

E

So Mr Miller: how do you propose to reach out to the development Community? Because again, I think um I've heard testimony this evening that there may have been an effort I believe there was clearly never but I. Don't know that the right target was was.

G

Achieved yeah we can reach out to the Bia, we'll talk to the local engineers and we'll get we'll get them out to to those different people that submit plans to us. Okay and.

E

And I, uh as vice mayor suggested, I, would like to have the Planning Commission attend that also not I mean I want to support the I want to support the Planning Commission mine specifically, but overall and I want to support the Planning and Development Department. But these are big things.

M

And I understand we.

E

Just need more public engagement, so not.

G

A problem, thank you. Okay,.

N

I will now close the public hearing for this item.

N

I've seen since we are pulling the item is that correct.

G

You are correct.

N

G

So now we're at G1 all.

N

Right I just want to make sure. Thank you Jennifer. You know my cues.

N

Okay reports from the city council members regarding committees in which they serve councilmember Burns.

E

I have nothing to report. Thank you.

N

Councilmember Perez.

N

um I have nothing to report other than we will. Cog will be meeting this Thursday at uh four o'clock: informational reports from city council, city manager, City attorney, City, Clerk and staff, see manager.

G

Usually go with the council first that way, if there's any items that you want to be put on the agenda. Okay,.

E

Thank you vice mayor, so I do have a list of about 16 items, since this is our only meeting in uh this month. However, because there are not two of the council members currently present I'm going to um only bring up a couple issues and then I'll defer to February for the others. So um one of them actually came up tonight and I would I would like to get um a reconsideration of the fees in relation to the.

M

E

That spoke regarding the property, the development and how fees are established.

E

uh He was he I, I, don't remember his name, but his he's got the uh the Marty Miller Twin Oaks, so I'd like to I'd like to see that happen and then the other question I have, since we have planning staff here um currently as I understand it in order to do a general plan Amendment, it takes a four-fifths vote of the council and to to make that happen, or a super majority and I have worked in other jurisdictions, where it's a simple majority, and so I would like to have a process brought back to where that could be considered at a meeting in the near future to reduce the four-fifths to a three-fifths.

E

G

E

Don't know if that's possible, but.

G

We've got to watch that way. I'm.

E

Not asking for it now I'm exactly.

V

E

That it'd be brought.

V

Back, that's part of the phase. Two is all of our permitting processes. Chapters I.

E

I got you, but this to me is.

G

Something a little quicker.

E

Yeah, this to me, is something I want to move forward with and I don't I I'm growing old by the minute and I. Don't have so. Thank you if we could bring that back.

L

P

E

First, thank you.

E

A

A

Just thank people for the people that I've seen hi.

A

um I just want to keep this simple. The um I just want to thank everybody for what they're doing for um this flood that we're going through um the stages and and what I was seeing was pretty much the housing um part of this whole situation and um I'm I'm super glad to hear about it. We're already starting our first phase of a city plan. Basically um we're on that road. The um um you know what a there's so many things that this this flood brings up um all the wrong the levy.

A

There's that the broken things, the things that might have caused it, um but I'd like to focus on the positive things, and you know how can we make these other things better? Yes, obviously, but you know what I've seen I've seen the Comfort I've seen a kid's face and I see the Comfort come from um the wet soggy shoes and and um socks to uh a smile or there's actually a little bit of Hope, because you know I put myself in senior situation.

A

These people are coming in with their on um Cal Fire bands and um they're animals. You know I love my animals and uh um to see PD. You know it's like in the beginning: it wasn't very organized to tell you the truth. We had a place and we had needs and um thank God that our Police Department our Animal Control.

A

um um They responded first and foremost because we needed a place to put the animals, because the people needed themselves to decompress and take care of their little ones, so we needed to take care of the animals first, and so, when um Animal Control showed up with all these cages within six minutes, I was proud to be part of the city council. I was it's like yeah? That's, that's us! That's Hollis, truth! That's how we do it. We you know, we we see a need. We we fill it right away.

A

We don't wait till next week. You know um so any anything that can happen with this um emergency preparedness. um Anything we do in advance is a is a benefit. It's. It helps that little boy get rid of that that wet sock and shoes and uh um get into something dry that much quicker. If we, if we have prepare, prepare basically right here, prepare and it's like pre we're pairing up, because when it happens, we're going.

A

Let's prepare and um I saw a lot of that that wasn't happening and I know that the Board of Supervisors have have done their um stuff over there. But, like you know what Dave thank you so much. You were Johnny on the spot, for whatever it was size, three diapers size, seven diapers cages um signs whatever it was. You were there and and I appreciate that forget about me. The people appreciate you, your neighbors appreciate you for doing that and uh that's that's awesome.

A

I had some um I spent a lot of time there this weekend, I had surgery Friday, you know during the storm the um so the.

A

The community standing up, you know Maria um Red, Cross, David uh VFW, and you guys are some good Cooks I had the best ham, hocks and beans two nights ago, um there's so many other people that were there, um it's I felt good.

A

The after things got were able to be put in place and these people were actually able to um have a pillow on their cot at the end of the night and they were dry and they had hope- and you know what a lot of it was because of all these people that were involved, but I really see. Dave I, don't know if you realize how much everyone was watching you and how much you impacted everything so I want to thank you for that and uh I'd.

A

Like really love to see us have our own plan that ties into all these other agencies for the benefit of our people and our animals. You know actually, at the end of that that night I I kept um two rottweilers in my garage. You know because people were just standing up to to help out so and I'm not trying to get a pat on my back I'm. Just trying to say give an example of what we can do personally during these floods and situations.

A

So um thank you, everybody for what they did um and uh my heart goes out to you guys out there on Lovers, Lane and um and if there's anything, there's ever anything I can do to help you. Let me know thank you.

N

So um I'll actually I'll do mine and then I'll read uh comments from our mayor, Mia Casey. So first I'd like to thank our staff, our airport staff, Public Works, our Police Department, animal control or services. Our fire I also want to thank Maria and I just want to share that many of the Departments and residents also wanted to thank David for all his work and, of course, thank you Brett for not only being present, but also allowing our staff, the freedom and flexibility to do their job and help our community.

N

So thank you very much a lot of gratitude, a lot of gratitude from a lot of our partners in our community.

N

So as a reminder, I would like a procurement policy back that talks about um skilled and trained Workforce instead of just looking at the lowest bid want to be able to prevent a lot of the issues that we've had in the past.

N

Also as I mentioned before, looking at local hires, and preferably any additional points that are given. If, if the companies have veterans are working with veterans.

N

um I would also like to have these two items back: um the master contract for Verizon, just just for knowledge and awareness, and then the contract for four leave.

N

I also like to have um Twin Oaks not to be brought back and I'm in agreement with um Mr Bert I'm. Sorry, council, member Burns, in terms of the process to see how we can move things forward and then, as a recommendation, I think as we're looking to work with council members on our time for, like our goals and priority lists for the budget process, using tools and I. Don't know Paul.

N

If you can help with this there's a lot of different tools that we can use just to be able to identify time so that we're more efficient and we're able to communicate what that looks like better I'm, not going to read from the comments from mayor Mia Casey.

N

What just wanted to extend my thanks to everyone who helped with the Emergency Operations around the storms and flooding not only were all of the County Emergency Personnel Red Cross VFW staff and Sheriff's Office. Wonderful but I wanted to recognize our city staff, who assisted especially our fire and police department, Brett and David, who checked in regularly and gave support and shared information when needed. I also wanted to thank Rick Perez, who checked in regularly at the shelters to see there was anything they needed.

N

I attended, Mia, attended, miramia, attended a strategic planning meeting workshop at the high school last week. The topic was student engagement and there was a great mix of instructors, staff, students and board members I enjoyed talking with the students and learning more about the ways the high school is trying to engage students and learning.

N

Mia Casey had a meeting with our newly hired executive director from the Council of governments, the new Abraham she comes to us from Sacramento and is a wealth of knowledge. I'm. Looking forward to working with her there's a community Forum set up for Monday evening January the 23rd for the hospital staff and board, who will be giving a presentation on the latest developments in the hospital fiscal crisis and also doing a question and answer session.

N

Mia Casey will be part of that meeting, assisting as a moderator with the question and answer me and Casey Would like to ask that that we, the council, consider developing a policy and procedure around how all items are submitted for the agenda.

N

City manager, Miller.

G

Yes, so um on the request for on the the our city attorneys that they've asked that way: I get a verbal consensus from Council when we about putting items on the agenda, so uh councilmember Burns you've already brought up the fees on the the sewer and four-fifths to three-fifths vote on the pre-annexation uh vice mayor, um you also stated that you would like to see those two items and councilman Perez. Would you like to okay for a procurement policy?

G

I can ask the council, but one of the requests to kcr new administrative, administrative Services, director I, said requests that he update our policies, so that will be one of the policies to be updated. But if you wanted to consensus on that, we can do that too. It's up to council that if you want that brought forward so I better, just I've already gave him the direction. So it's up to, if you wanted it more official or not,.

G

uh I I mean I gave it to him when he first started that sort of request, but we can work on it being within uh 30 days. Okay, 30 days, okay, oh yeah,.

J

G

Casey come on up.

G

I don't know, Casey is the new administrative Services director, uh you approved his contract, I believe at the last council meeting. So but he yes.

M

G

Takes over for administrative, Services, director or services that that I used to do uh a long time ago, but those are I've, asked them to update a lot of our policies because they're they're due to be dusted off, and so one of them would be the procurement policy. Thank.

E

You for the introduction, welcome yeah did I, hear you say: 30 days would be a reason. Yes, absolutely come back with a working draft within a couple of meetings.

E

G

That work yeah.

E

M

You okay thank.

G

You, uh the other one, was vice mayor: Morales asked for the bring back the master contract for Verizon and then the four leaf contract I can bring that back. We had the four leaf contract brought back about I think it was about a year ago, so we can bring that forward.

M

G

Sorry I got one from councilman and thanks and then um I'm glad uh the mayor had requested. So one of my items that I was going to ask uh Council to get a consensus on is a to bring back a policy on how how items are put on the agenda. We don't have a written policy. We just have past practices. We recommend that we have an actual policy of how we put things onto the agenda. Do I. Do we have support for that item.

M

E

And we just go in and add to the municipal code, because one of the questions I have and I couldn't get an answer from our last City attorney because he said there wasn't one but I asked early in my tenure was: can I get a legal written opinion of what a consensus is and we were told there is no such thing, and so um you know as a consensus, a simple majority, you know or is it or is it and so for me?

E

I would like something stronger than a policy I'd like something that's codified in our Municipal Code. So as muscles turn over these questions have been asked and answered and they might choose to go in and amend it through a tax amendment. But as people coming know my senses, the interpretations can change, but I think the change needs to be more formal than a fall correct.

G

The policies that we were looking at actually stated a simple majority. We actually had. We didn't use the word consensus, so yeah, no, no I'm, saying in the policies that we were looking, we've already kind of looked down what other cities are doing and that we would want to put in not use the word consensus. We would actually use words that define what it would be.

E

But the reality is two council members on here. So how do we know if, if it goes two to one.

G

I mean there's just so much I think that could be better done through a more specific process.

G

Council member Burns is your mic on.

A

J

Could you repeat everything.

G

J

O

G

It sounded like it was on to me because he's right next to me.

E

Thanks Paul for once again pointing out some of my flaws I appreciate that your budget's coming.

H

If you I mean, if you'd like I, can explain how we interpret consensus, um but I would step back and say that, typically, when we're talking about consensus, we're not necessarily talking about a formal vote, so there are items you know when you're adopting a resolution, a general plan, Amendment or certain items that require a formal vote that have statutory uh majority votes. So, for instance, a resolution requires three affirmative votes: the city's Municipal Code. When there's a general plan, Amendment initiation, it requires four affirmative votes.

H

When we're talking about consensus, it's usually those more informal situations. Like your Council comments and in those cases we interpret consensus to be the majority of the council members present, and so tonight it would be two out of three.

H

um You know if there was five here, it would be three out of five, but in those cases it's you're not making a decision you're, just asking or giving direction to staff, but so any so when you do a decide what policy to adopt for um adding items to the agenda, it can be in the city's municipal code. That's not a problem um and you can decide what you want that to say and how you want it to read. I.

E

Appreciate that I think a rework would be an order. I mean I've been doing a lot of time in the Hollister municipal code and, for example, in one section it says that if a vote's taken and the council member doesn't respond, it's presumed that that's an affirmative and um you know again: I I hold myself accountable for doing my homework, but, on the other hand, I'm not convinced that has happens all the time and and frankly, some of these things are just they're, odd, I, don't know how else to say.

H

It I mean I'm trying to be nice. Some of those voting rules, like the one that you just mentioned, are actually directly from rosenberg's Rules, which are set kind of separately adopted. So that is one of rosenberg's Rules of Order. Is that if an affirmative, if a council member's present and doesn't vote, it's affirmative, so you as a council have adopted those rules right.

E

I'm suggesting maybe we think because it.

M

Seems like there's.

E

A blending of them and and and if the council had at large wants to do that. Well, so be it I, just I I think there's a there's an opportunity here, that's driven by some miscommunication or misunderstanding, and so um I'm, more structured and and council members come and go and- and you know and I would also say, the the same rules apply to the mirror.

E

I I don't know because I didn't know that Mary even had the right to be involved in the pre-agenda discussion until I reviewed the city manager's contract and it's listed right there, and so for me, that's a duh moment, but the reality is I've reviewed that contract multiple times but I. My name is Noah on it because it was it was created by a previous Council. And yet you know at the end of the day, I I think better than to bury that in a contract with the city manager.

E

I think in the code is a better place in my opinion, so yeah.

G

And you bring up your rules, I mean I, sent out the email to everybody about for the consultant that we have for the team building for the Council on the goal. Setting I mean your rules are a little bit over a year a year old now, and it probably needs to be re-looked at to see what needs to be, maybe fine-tuned. You know, go back and see what you need fixed and stuff like that, and that would be probably one of those things that we need to codify.

E

Again, I, you have my support. I agree. Thank you.

G

Okay, going back to the word consensus and I'm sorry for a policy to put put items on the agenda. Are you okay, with uh staff brings bring something back in the near and uh probably uh probably two meetings from now? But if that's okay with Council.

E

G

Thank you and then uh also like the council, has said. I really want to thank uh staff. David was, uh it was amazing, getting out the information uh the benefit of having a Pio. It's it's been really helpful. It allows me to work on other things. uh Oh and then I'll probably say the the all. The staff was amazing, especially even like yard crew coming out having to cut up a trees uh on a Rec, Center yeah, the community center for being open and everybody working say yes, Tina. Thank you, um but it's.

G

The staff was just amazing and uh when we learned through cobit how to respond and be ready to go- and this was just shows you that the county sent there there's- there are people to us and we were ready to to respond. So we really think everybody that's helped out and that's that's all I have.

N

Yes, thank you very much Tina and all of your staff for your service and dedication to our community. We really appreciate it.

H

Mayor or vice mayor, Morales and city council I do have a bit of an update related to the Hazel, Hawkins uh or I'm. Sorry, Hazel, yeah, Hazel.

M

H

Hospital, um the city attorney's office received a notice from the hospital District requesting that the city participate in a neutral evaluation. The neutral evaluation is a statutory statutorily required step when any public entity such as the hospital District, declares itself insolvent.

H

um So it's basically it's similar to a mediation in that the parties involve select an independent, neutral evaluator, who mediates the process and the purpose to get is to give the the hospital district and their creditors an opportunity to reach a settlement. If that's, if that's possible.

H

So unless the city council objects, the City attorney plans to participate in the neutral evaluation process and report back to the city council, all information, that's provided during that that neutral evaluation is confidential and it and all of the parties that are in attendance or are forbidden from disclosing anything that is discussed in the neutral evaluation. So we would likely bring the report back to Council in closed session, although I do need to research a little bit as to whether or not that would be appropriate.

H

um So if the as I mentioned, if the city council doesn't object, the City attorney plans to attend that or be involved in that process and are there any questions.

E

Thank you so now do we have a sense for the amount of time and of proposed costs, because I know that we pay for your services.

H

You do pay for our services. um I, don't have a proposed a I. Don't have a sense of that. The the amount of time that it will take us I, don't think, is extensive.

H

um I initially thought you were asking about the time frame where um there's a 10-day period, where we need to notify the district that will be participating and then there's a I believe it's like a 60-day period of time um in which they have to. We have to choose a neutral evaluator and it's not just the city but all of the hospitals, creditors that are involved. So if you want more information, we can probably come up with some sort of an estimate as to how much time and money it will cost.

H

But I I don't know at.

E

The top of my head does your firm actually have subject matter experts in this area that would.

H

I can reach out I'm, not sure off the top of my head.

E

My concern is, it feels like we. We use you guys extensively.

M

E

Why I want to be open to it? I also want to be protective of our resource.

H

E

And so uh you know at the end of the day, I think to have somebody from your firm would be most appropriate specifically given the fact that you may have subject matter, experts that have experience in this field. That could be the person versus either you or Mary, potentially.

H

Yeah I do think that um you know we do represent cities all over the state and counties as well and I'm sure that some of those have had in fact, I know that some of those have had Hospital districts or other sorts of public entities within their bounds that um have been in the same situation. So I would not be surprised if or I would be surprised if we didn't have someone who had been involved in something like this before.

E

I would be supportive of that. Thank you.

G

Much better than uh last thing we have is H. uh Oh sorry, oh.

N

So you go to City Clerk and then the police chief, no reports chief.

I

I just wanted to uh advise the council that earlier today we had a swearing in ceremony at the police department and we've hired our second code enforcement officer, Christopher Dorne he's uh he's worked for the county at juvenile hall for I, think almost 20 years and he's coming to us so really excited about him, starting and he's starting his training and hopefully see him soon on the street. Thank you.

A

um I, don't know um I've been kind of out of it this weekend, so I don't know if we were invited to those I swearing in ceremonies, whether it's fire or police um I personally would love to attend any of those meetings. So if you invite me unless it's a Raider game, no I'm just kidding no okay.

M

Yeah, we don't have to worry about that. One.

A

No um I'd love to attend those meetings too yeah. Thank you.

G

We would rather have you attend a more winning team.

N

Okay, unfinished business updates from city council projects. Remember this is where the members of the council May comment on previous requests made to staff members, Mr Burns, council, member Burns,.

E

I have no comments. Thank you.

N

Councilmember Perez, okay, new business, no items miscellaneous, no items, Hollister successor, housing agency, no items adjournment do I have a motion to adjourn the meeting.

L

N

There a second.

E

Yes, it only takes two votes, I learned tonight, so do you got a consensus on.

N

That all those in favor say aye.

G

A

N

Thank you all. Have a wonderful night be safe, all right.

U

Recording stopped.