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A
B
The
board
operates
under
the
provisions
of
the
ethical
student,
Carter
I
think,
a
zoning
ordinance
at
the
sign
ordinance
and
the
board's
own
rules
and
consumers.
The
board
comprises
five
numbers
nominated
by
the
mayor
of
approved
by
Common
Council
board
members,
president
Snyder
Michael,
Cannon,
Dominic
Fleming
under
Gardner,
and
there's
some
Kirby
as
well
as
assistant
Defender,
when
Jacob
and
director
of
the
planning
Lisa
Nicholas,
also
joining
us
remotely
our
assistant,
City
attorney
Victor
Kessler
and
deputy
director
of
planning,
Megan
Wilson
Staff
to
the
board
I'm
David
Parkin
shared
person
on
the
board.
B
B
B
Public
hearings
include
testimony
from
interesting
parties,
the
board
consistent
interested
parties,
persons
who
live
work
or
own
property
within
seven
feet
of
the
property
who
are
authorized
representatives
and
recognize
the
Jason
Abraham
Civic
groups,
arduary
elected
City
officials,
board
members,
May
collecting
testifying
interest
in
parties
in
any
area
of
inquiring
clarification
persons
who
do
not
need
the
board's
interested
party
definition
will
not
be
fair.
Pharmacists
are
limited
to
three
minutes.
B
Talents
will
then
be
allowed
to
reside
proposing
testimony,
but
a
balanced
commas
wants
to
be
learning
to
constrict
the
bottle
of
emissions
and
will
be
limited
in
five
minutes.
The
timer
will
sound
at
the
end
of
each
speed
given
a
while
at
the
time.
Well,
we
do
not
adhere
to
strict
rules
of
evidence.
We
do
consider
this
a
quantity.
This
is
proceeding
and
we
base
our
decisions.
On
the
official
record.
B
The
official
record
consists
of
application
materials
filed
with
the
zoning
division
correspondence
relating
to
cases
received
by
the
owning
division,
planning
and
development
for
its
own
findings
and
recommendations.
If
any
and
the
records
notes
meeting
when
audio
recording
is
being
made
of
this
meeting,
therefore
it
is
essential
everyone
wanting
to
the
nerve
comes
forward
and
speaks
directly
into
a
microphone,
so
their
comments
are
recorded
by
all
parents.
Extraneous
comments
from
the
audience
will
neither
be
reported
nor
considered
by
the
board.
B
We
ask
everyone
limit
their
comments
to
the
zoning
issues
of
each
appeal
and
not
comment
on
matters
beyond
the
board's
jurisdiction.
Following
the
Appellate
rebuttal
we
deal,
hearing
will
be
closing
the
board
will
Begin
The
Liberation.
The
board
is
required
to
render
decision
within
62
days
of
the
public
hearing
disclosure
once
the
hearing
is
closed.
No
further
testimony
will
be
taken.
It
takes
three
votes
to
approve
a
motion
that
greater
variance
and
favorable
interpretation
and
the
event
of
a
title
appeal
of
the
night.
B
Tonight's
appeals
are
available
for
public
review
on
the
table
at
the
back
of
the
room,
as
well
as
on
the
city's
website.
Please
be
advisor
two
exits
from
common
council
chambers,
the
one
you
probably
used
to
enter
at
the
rear
of
the
room
and
the
one
at
the
front
of
the
chambers
Megan.
Would
you
kindly
call
our
first
case.
C
The
applicant
proposes
to
install
seven
new
small
Wireless
facilities
on
utility
poles
within
the
cities
right
away
at
the
locations
nearest
to
the
previously
nearest.
To
the
properly
previously
noted,
the
city's
telecommunications
ordinance.
Article
5A
of
the
zoning
ordinance
requires
that
all
personal
wireless
service
facilities
be
located
one
at
least
1500
feet
from
all
other
wsf
into
at
least
250
feet
from
all
residences,
schools
and
daycare
facilities.
The
applicant
is
Seeking
a
variance
from
these
setback
requirements
for
the
proposed
locations
and.
B
So
real
quick
before
you
introduce
yourselves
I
was
just
gonna.
I
was
gonna,
ask
up
the
city's
attorney
that
Victor
Kessler
just
sort
of
chime
in
and
give
members
of
the
public
who
have
been
commenting
here.
B
Just
a
brief
background
of
how
we
got
to
this
point
right,
what
the
city
code
is
and
why
it
is
at
the
bza
I
don't
know
the
cell
is
the
the
one
that
sell
it
delegating
over
this
and
matches
that
the
the
limit
as
to
what
the
bza's
involvement
here
is
because
I
think
that'd
be
helpful
for
for
the
public.
So
Victor,
if
you
don't
mind,
maybe
just
a
brief
background.
C
David
I
think
we're
still
waiting
for
Victor
to
connect,
so
maybe
we
can
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
applicants
and
then
have
okay.
Victor
Victor
respond
to
that
once
he
is
connected
all.
B
Right
so
with
that,
then,
if
you
could
just
introduce
yourselves
and
then
about
a
five
minute
presentation
now
for
your
appeal,
okay,
good
evening,
chair
reminders
of
the
board
Christopher
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
at
T
foreign.
B
Communications
consultant
for
our
agency,
yes,
and
then
also
on
Zoom.
We
have
we're
playing
meta,
who
is
a
radio
frequency
engineer
with
atnc
Michael
Fisher,
who
is
with
Centerline
Communications
their
director
of
engineering
and
also
my
colleague,
Dan
Patrick?
We
do
have
a
PowerPoint
presentation
that
my
colleague,
Dan
Patrick,
can
share
and
chair,
because
these
are
seven
modes.
I'll
try
to
give
it
the
five
minutes
and
move
quickly,
but
I
may
need
your
discussion
for
just
a
little
bit
of
additional
time.
B
D
A
B
A
B
Okay,
really
quick
just
by
way
of
background
ATT,
obviously,
is
a
public
Trading
Company.
It's
been
providing
Wireless
services
and
everything
that's
running
replacement
time.
B
Why
are
we
here,
and
that
has
been
the
question
I
think
so
others
have
raised
we're
looking
to
provide
in-building
coverage
to
our
customers
and
all
those
who
live
in
the
area
and
visit
the
area,
particularly
where
these
seven
small
cells
are
located.
Those
are
typically
for
purposes
of
symmetric,
are
some
of
the
residential
neighborhoods
and
then
also
the
Cornell
Heights
section
of
the
community
in
the
Northwest
section
in
particular.
B
What's
the
issue
with
att's
network
the
existing
sites
that
we
have
on
rooftop
facilities
or
other
tower
sites
that
were
built
on
originally
over
the
last
30
years?
They're,
just
not
at
this
point
able
to
reach
into
those
in
building
environments
within
parts
of
the
city
where
we're
trying
to
get
our
service
to
our
customers.
So
that's
the
goal
and
the
objective
of
these
applications
is
to
come
in
enhancement.
Network
provides
service
where
we're
not
otherwise
providing
in
building
some
folks
have
raised
questions.
B
I
saw
it
in
some
of
the
comments
about
what
this
coverage
mean.
We
could
have
a
long
conversation
and
I
look
forward
to
that,
but
clearly,
outdoor
in
vehicle
in
the
building
have
different
signal
strengths
that
are
required
in
order
to
provide
that
service,
and
this
is
just
something
you
practically
understand.
As
board
members.
Try
to
use
your
phone,
make
it
a
signal
outside
and
be
able
to
use
the
Internet
or
make
a
call
if
it's
in
your
car
and
maybe
degraded
a
little
bit.
The
signal
is
not
strong.
B
B
So
these
seven
locations,
I
identified
these
are
shown
with
just
an
aerial
image.
With
the
yellow
pin
drops
I'll
go
through
each
one.
Just
to
give
you
an
overview
next
slide.
B
But
these
are
the
coverage.
Plots
I
just
wanted
a
couple
of
comments
about
coverage
plots
and
our
our
Engineers
on
the
line,
maybe
more
detail.
What
you're,
seeing
in
Orange
on
the
left
is
existing
network
coverage.
Inbuilding
signal
strength.
So
you
know,
wireless
network
is
not
something
like
it's
static
and
it
sort
of
drops
off,
and
then
you
see
those
white
areas
in
those
white
areas.
I
have
no
doubt
to
be
able
to
make
a
phone
call
or
connect
to
the
internet
outdoor,
maybe
even
in
a
vehicle.
B
B
Because
this
is
a
really
low
power,
low
height,
they
do
service
discrete
areas,
and
you
can
start
to
see
it
they're
round
in
nature,
because
this
is
kind
of
an
omnidirectional
signal,
but
you
can
see
orange
circles
around
each
of
the
dots
where
this
fills
in
and
then,
if
you
compare
it
to
the
left,
you'll
see
it
starts
to
fill
in
the
white
areas
and
then
in
some
of
the
areas
like
along
State,
Street,
there's
overlapping
coverage
and
that's
really
important
for
purposes
of
just
overall
network
engineering.
B
So
the
customer
has
a
reliable
signal
and
next
slide
I'm.
Just
a
note
about
these
slides
before
I
go
to
the
next
slide.
These
particular
slides
are
producing,
there's
a
whole
report
that
was
provided
by
our
RF
engineer,
using
real
data
and
also
software.
This
is
the
exact
type
of
software
we
use
to
file
with
the
SEC
that
the
SEC
uses
for
compiling
their
outdoor
coverage
maps.
B
This
is
a
little
bit
more
granular
detail
about.
Why
we're
here.
B
Each
of
these
particular
nodes,
which
is
an
industry
term
of
art
like
each
small
cell
location,
is
intended
to
provide
service
in
a
given
area,
and
you
can
let
the
population
count
each
of
those
coverage
areas
roughly
in
the
order
of
management
of
715
2
million
in
some
cases
up
to
2
000
residents,
depending
on
the
density
within
each
particular
area,
but
all
told
those
seven
locations
are
intended
to
get
in
building
service
to
a
population,
that's
around
9
000,
and
then
you
can
see
some
of
the
vehicular
tricks
in
these
areas
in
the
local
streets,
which
these
would
also
provide
service
to
all
right
next
slide,
question
related
to
the
city's
code.
B
This
is
something
that
I
think
even
ctia,
and
the
industry
commented
on.
The
city's
code
is
more
recent
2021..
One
of
the
concerns
we
had
and
had
commented
on
as
an
industry
was
that
there
were
areas
that
were
going
to
be
excluded
from
citing
any
Wireless
facility,
and
what
this
is
is
this
is
the
land
use
map
for
this
particular
region
and
if
you
look
at
all
the
yellow
and
some
of
the
pink,
those
are
all
either
single
or
two
family,
residential
or
multi-thin.
B
When
you
start
to
look
at
this
map,
you
get
a
better
appreciation,
I
think
for
the
Practical
effect
of
this
exclusionary
area
around
250
feet
if
you're
trying
to
get
service
into
that
area,
and
you
need
new
infrastructure
to
do
it,
whether
it's
a
tower
a
rooftop
facility
or
a
small
cell
there's,
just
no
practical
way
to
Place
facility.
There
so
essentially
you've
excluding
a
whole
portion
of
the
community
from
our
ability
as
a
as
a
network
provider
to
go
in
and
provide
additional
Services
Beyond.
B
Just
you
can
make
a
call
on
the
street
next
and
each
of
those
little
red
radiuses
on
these
Maps
are
around
some
of
the
small
cells
where
we
need
advantage
and
you'll
see
whether
we
move
it
250
feet,
500
feet
a
thousand
feet
in
any
given
direction.
We're
not
going
to
be
able
to
locate
the
facility
in
that
area
to
provide
the
service.
So
that's
our
practical
difficulty
when
you
use
a
more
traditional
zoning
standard,
it's
our
necessity!
B
B
Okay,
these
are
each
each
of
the
locations.
This
is
what
we
refer
to
as
our
location,
one
507
North
Albany
Street
on
this
particular
location.
It's
right
adjacent
to
Calvary,
Baptist
Church.
B
There
is
in
this
photo,
which
is
a
little
dated
that
this
one.
This
is
what
was
available.
We
turned
these
photos
around
within
a
couple
days
that
poll's
already
been
replaced,
and
this
is
a
common
theme.
I
would
say
on
all
these
applications.
A
nice
egg's
already
been
doing
a
lot
of
utility
resiliency
hardening
or
pull
Replacements.
B
Some
of
it
is
the
broken
poles
in
the
in
the
area
not
really
driven
by
us
as
a
wireless
provider,
but
they've
already
replaced
a
lot
of
poles.
So
if
you
go
out
today
that
poll's
already
been
replaced
as
I've
been
others
in
many
of
the
distribution
networks
within
this
part
of
the
city.
The
piece
on
the
left
that
you
see
and
the
photo
simulation
there
on
the
right.
The
antennae
is
the
white
piece
out
of
the
treetop.
That's
at
a
What's
called
the
communications
Zone
within
the
whole.
B
Primary
and
electrical
lines
are
higher
and
then
lower
down
on
the
pole
is
an
equipment
cabinet
and
we
put
the
dimensions
in,
but
that
antenna
is
about
two
feet
and
height,
and
then
there
is
a
an
equipment
cabinet
mounted
on
the
pole
load
on
the
left,
and
this
is
something
that
Vincent
can
talk
more
about
as
needed.
He
goes
out
in
the
field
and
looks
at
and
catalogs
all
the
poles
for
co-location.
B
All
those
yellow
pin
drops
are
nice
and
pulls
that
he
evaluated
nice.
It
won't.
Let
you
install
On
Any
Given
pole.
Some
poles
are
excluded,
maybe
because
there's
a
Transformer
located
on
them,
so
we
have
to
work
with
NYSEG
under
their
utility
wholesalers
on
which
ones
are
available,
and
that
has
to
overlap
with.
Obviously,
where
the
art
engineer
is
trying
to
locate
and
provide
service.
B
This
particular
location
needs
a
variance
because
it's
within
250
feet
of
a
residence.
It
also
needs
a
variance
because
it's
within
1500
feet
of
another
facility,
all
of
these
sites
that
need
a
various
because
they're
within
1500
feet
of
another
facilities,
because
Verizon
I
believe
has
small
cells
in
these
neighborhoods
as
well,
they're
already
installed
and
located
and
they're,
providing
their
services
from
small
cells
very
similar
to
what
we're
doing.
Okay.
Next.
A
B
This
one
is
what
we
call
number
four
307
Franklin
Street.
This
is
near
the
science
center
again
very.
These
are
all
going
to
be
very
similar,
but
the
polls
already
been
replaced
and
consider
they've
had
any
equipment
stand
analysis
on
the
left
of
the
alternative.
B
This
one
week
number
number
five.
This
is
312
first
industry.
This
one
means
events
only
for
the
200
different
people
from
a
residence,
this
particular
location.
Also,
just
as
a
side
note,
we
provided
additional
information.
This
is
in
the
Cornell
Heights
historic
district.
The
poll
itself
is
immediately
adjacent
to
apartment
complex.
That
is
not
a
contributing
resource
to
the
district.
It's
an
apartment,
complex,
the
poll's
already
been
replaced.
B
The
equipment
is
shown
in
the
photo.
I
mean
again.
We
looked
at
a
number
of
different
Alternatives,
this
particular
location
just
from
focusing
again-
and
why
are
we
here-
we're
trying
to
get
a
high
higher
signal
level
into
the
inbuilding
environment,
because
you've
got
a
lot
of
density
here.
B
This
is
obviously
adjacent
to
Cornell,
some
of
the
there's
more
multi-familiar,
with
fraternity
and
sorority
homes
in
apartment
areas,
so
you've
got
a
lot
of
activity.
That's
what
foreign.
B
This
is
number
six
120
Utica
Street.
This
is
on
a
corner
actually
Verizon's
on
the
pole,
that's
just
to
the
left
in
that
photo.
That's
not
shown
in
the
photo,
but
we
go
out
and
they're
on
the
phone
and
Jason
very
similar,
and
we
need
two
variances
for
this
location.
Our
next
slide.
B
This
is
number
seven
202
King
Street.
This
is
at
the
corner
of
Jason
to
Fall
Creek
Elementary
School,
two
variances,
because
Verizon
has
a
facility
in
the
area
and
also
adjacent
to
residences.
I
did
see
in
the
public
comments
that
some
folks
have
concern
and
we'll
get
to
that
about
the
power
levels
associated
with
the
frequencies
that
we're
using
and
how
these
comply
with
FCC
standards,
I
I
would
just
say
in
more.
In
my
opinion,
a
lot
of
the
conversation
about
coverage
in
schools
has
changed.
B
B
This
is
635
West,
State
Street.
This
one
doesn't
mean
any
experiences,
it's
part
of
our
batch
application
to
the
city,
so
it's
not
something
I
think
the
Oregon
deals
has
to
vote
on,
but
because
we're
here
in
showing
all
the
sites
we're
proposing
the
city
streets,
we've
included
it.
This
is
by
I
think
it's
called
Max's
separate
level
next
slide.
B
This
is
further
down
the
road
in
333
West,
State
Street.
This
is
outside
of.
B
And
again
on
the
left,
you
can
see
all
the
sites
we
looked
at.
It
just
happens
to
be
that
this
is
within
250
feet
of
a
residence,
but
it's
almost
like
a
commercial
reporter
there
in
that
section
of
State
Street
next
slide.
B
So
in
the
package-
and
this
is
this-
is
what's
on
file
with
the
city
of
this
three
ring
binder
I've
got,
we've
done
an
analysis
of
each
location.
You
need
these
location
for
compliance
with
the
SEC
standards
and
these
are
low
power
facilities.
That's
why
they're
going
back
to
that
slide.
I
showed
before
with
the
orange
coverage
Footprints
the
coverage
doesn't
go.
Allow
you
know
miles
we're
talking
hundreds
of
feet.
You
know,
maybe
a
thousand
so
they're
low
power,
they're
well
below
the
safety
standards,
but
public
exposure.
B
0.7
91,
is
the
the
highest
here.
So
we
gave
you
each
number
for
each
to
answer
more
questions
about
that,
certainly,
but
they
are
fully
compliant
with
the
SEC
standards.
That
was
our
presentation.
B
Thank
you,
Megan
is
Victor
available,
or
should
we
go
into
questions.
C
Victor
is
here
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
one
clarification.
635
does
require
a
variance
from
250
feet
from
residences.
Well,
it's
not
as
a
heavily
of
a
residential
area,
there's
some
apartments
above
and
behind
some
businesses
in
the
area.
F
And
my
apologies,
I
was
having
some
some
I
was
having
a
personal,
significant
Gap
in
coverage
when
that
started.
So
I
had
a
little
trouble
getting
on
yeah
I
wanted
to
just
kind
of
walk
through
the
the
new
city
ordinance
and
the
procedures
that
are
happening
tonight,
because
I
think
there
has
been
some
some
confusion
about
about
who
is
considering
what
and
when
so
just
and
I'll
I'll
try
and
keep
this
brief.
But
I
can
I
can
answer
any
questions
if
there
are
any
questions
about
it.
F
So
last
October,
not
this
past
October,
the
October
the
year
before
the
common
Council
passed
a
new
telecoms
ordinance
which,
which
imposed
which
creates
you,
know
a
series
of
different
classifications
of
personal
wireless
service
facilities
or
pwsfs
and
has
different
guidelines
that
each
each
type
might
must
meet
and
different
requirements
for
who
reviews
them.
F
So
each
application
for
a
new
or
modified
pwsf
is
classified
into
three
tiers.
A
tier
one.
Application
is
for
utility
pole
mounted
facilities
such
as
those
that
is
that
ATT
is
bringing
forward
tonight.
There
are
also
two
additional
tiers
for
roof
mounted
or
for
Tower
mounted
facilities
to
kind
of
keep
things
at
the
general
level.
F
Ordinarily,
a
pole
mounted
facility
such
as
these
are
considered
entirely
at
the
staff
level
and
would
not
normally
need
a
bza
hearing
for
consideration.
However,
one
of
the
requirements
for
classification
into
a
tier
under
325.
F
F
F
Permits
applicants
to
seek
a
variance
from
any
requirement
of
the
telecoms
ordinance
in
accordance
with
325-40,
which
is
where
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
procedures
are
located.
If
you
look
at
325-40
see
that
explains
that
the
PCA
granting
variances
for
an
area
variance,
which
is
how
we
consider
setbacks,
there
is
a
balancing
test
that
also
includes
five
factors.
So
what
is
happening
tonight
is
the
board
of
zoning.
Appeals
will
be
conducting
its
five
Factor
balancing
test
to
determine
whether
the
setback
requirements
should
be
varied
for
these
specific
pull
applications.
F
If
bza
grants
the
application
or
grants
the
variances,
then
it
will
proceed
to
staff
level
review,
as
provided
by
the
telecoms
ordinance,
and
at
that
point
the
director
of
planning
will
consider
whether
to
Grant
or
deny
these
particular
applications.
F
I
am
sure
that
is
all
clear
as
mud,
but
but
to
kind
of
sum
up.
What
bza
is
doing
tonight
is
determining
whether,
under
its
normal
variance
criteria,
the
benefits
the
applicant
as
weight
against
the
detriment
to
the
community
under
its
five
Factor
test
councils
in
favor
of
granting
a
variance
from
the
setback
requirements
after
that
decision
is
made.
If
bza
grants
the
variance,
then
the
staff
level
review
will
take
place.
F
Obviously
staff
will
be
considering
a
lot
of
the
information
that
has
been
presented
to
bza
tonight
as
well,
so
that
we're
kind
of
doing
double
duty
here
with
that
I
think
I
am
done
with
my
my
explanation.
Are
there
any
questions,
foreign.
B
One
is
it's
my
understanding
that
it's
not
within
our
purview
to
to
we're
not
the
jurisdiction
on
radio
frequency
and
those
emissions.
So
our
five
factor
for
this
area
variants
will
will
employ
different
considerations
and
different
perceived
impacts
to
the
community.
But
it's
not
this
board's
mandate
to
delve
into
any
of
that,
and
then
it's
also
my
understanding
that
we're
still
waiting
on
driving
data
from
the
appellant.
B
So
we're
going
to
be
leaving
this
public
hearing
open
more
more
likely
than
not
so
that
we
can
have
more
time
there,
and
that
also
contributes
to
the
public
hearing
for
those
that
do
feel
that
they're
interested
in
parties
and
are
navigating
that
process
that
there
is
more
than
likely
more
time
for
that
to
carry
out.
G
Well,
I
had
a
hard
time,
interpreting
the
various
pictures
and
perhaps
and
charts
so
I'd,
like
an
explanation
of
how
the
information
that
you've
provided
shows
that
you
have
gaps
in
coverage.
If
you're
looking
for
coverage
in
building
I,
wonder
how
you
determined
the
lack
of
coverage
in
building
on
those
maps,
how
do
we
interpret
those
members
and
well
it's
an
interesting
question,
whether
if
you're
seeking
to
fairly
gaps,
alleged
caps
and
service
in
building,
then
how
relevant
would
be
to
drive
by
that
event,.
B
Yeah,
it's
a
very
good
question
and
Ruben
was
on
Zoom
with
meal
kind
of
take
it.
But
let
me
tee
it
up
for
him
and
to
get
some
responses
going.
The
data
that
was
provided
came
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
technical
analysis
and
it's
included
some
narrative
in
our
report.
That's
on
file.
B
What
you're
seeing
is
it's
a
coverage
based
model
that
ATT
has
all
of
its
network
data
in
the
orange
layer.
The.
A
B
There's
certain
path:
laws
based
on
signal
strength,
because
the
signal
you
know
gets
degraded
as
it
goes
through
a
car
as
it
goes
through
the
concrete
or
whatever
building.
So
you
can
know
what
your
external
signal
is,
therefore,
how
much
power
you
need
in
order
to
get
a
reliable
signal
into
it?
That's
essentially
how
it's
done.
B
I
agree
that
the
the
drive
test
data
outdoor
is
not
going
to
be
useful
for
this
question
about
how
we.
Why
are
we
here?
Why
do
we
need
these
and
how
is
it
going
to
enhance
the
network?
The
outdoor
drive
test
data
really
just
measuring
outdoor
signal
strength.
A
B
You
extrapolate
from
it
in
some
cases.
Yes,
but
how
much
it
goes
to
the
part
of
why
we're
here
but
Ben
can
you
can
you
join
us
in
provide
some
further
Clarity
on
that.
D
Yeah,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
hear
you
yeah,
okay,
I
mean
I
cannot
enable
my
video
I.
Don't
know
why
but
I'm
here
I
can
see
all
of
you
so
so
the
way
the
coverage
analysis
done
at
ATT
is
that
you
know
we
have
data
about
all
the
surrounding
sites.
D
We
have
a
tune
model,
so
models
are
tuned
on
each
area,
so
we
collect
the
topography,
information,
the
building
data
and
all
those
data
and
all
those
it
goes
into
the
tool
which
we
develop
over
number
of
years
of
information,
and
we
use
that
tool
to
predict
how
the
curves
looks
like,
and
we
use
that
to
predict
the
coverage
layer.
Now
the
specific
questions
like
you
know
the
Gap.
So
basically,
what
atnt
do
is
basically
provide
a
reliable
services.
D
So
you
know,
sometimes
you
have
service
on
the
one
side
of
the
building,
but
not
the
other
side
of
service.
So
that's,
not
a
reliable
service.
Reliable
service
is
basically
ATT
wants
to
ensure
that
within
the
coverage
area,
you
have
a
reliable
service
not
only
for
residents
but
also
for
emergency
services
and
everything.
So
considering
all
this
data
and
all
this
informations,
our
tool
predicts,
you
know
how
the
coverage
looks
likes
and
based
on
that,
these
plots
are
prepared.
B
To
to
provide
one
additional
piece
of
information
and
I
did
I
did
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
Mr
Kessler
just
about
the
board.
Looking
for
additional
empiric
information,
it
was
spoke
with
atnt
we're
going
to
get
your
response
to
that
and
we're
going
to
try
to
give
you
some
more
empiric
data.
B
We
may
see
it's
kind
of
I'm
trying
to
come
up
with
the
best
analogy
for
you,
but
it's
like
trying
to
invite
you
into
the
actual
18t
Network
design
engineering
parameters
and
see
if
we
can
get
you
some
data
back
out,
it's
probably
going
to
be
data
on
the
surrounding
sites.
How
they're
not
operating?
Well
we're
not
getting
the
signal
strength
into
that
neighborhood!
B
Some
combination
of
the
other
data
we
have
so
you
have
empiric
data
that
lines
up
with
what
we've
already
given
you,
which,
which
is
actually
a
data
outputted
right
from
our
network
analysis.
So
I'll
try
to
get
you
a
more
succinct
discussion
of
that
about
what
you're
looking
at,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
took
it
that
you'd,
like
some
empirical
data,
to
validate
what
we've
already
shown.
B
H
Pretty
good
all
right,
so
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
these,
as
almost
you
have
two
almost
parallel
lines
of
nodes
going.
If
that
makes
sense
now,
I
think
you
said
during
your
presentation
that
this
isn't
a
directional,
a
mission
coming
out,
it's
more
spherical
I
think
is
fair
to
say
so,
if
I'm
looking
at
kind
of
that
bottom
part
of
the
curve
curve,
there
you've
got
three
that
run
along
that
are
clearly
and
there's
realistically
four
sitting
in
a
good
portion.
H
D
So
can
I
say
so
so,
basically,
the
design
is
really
for
the
capacity
related,
so
ATT
needs
more
capacity
in
this
area,
so
there
are
existing
Towers
surrounding
this
area,
but
there
is
none
of
the
tower
within
this
area
which
can
provide
the
solid
coverage
to
the
residents
and
the
traveling
people
in
this
area.
So
we
don't
have
any
capacity
in
this
particular
area.
So
to
enhance
the
capacity
we
are
adding
extra
nodes.
So
the
way
we
did
it
was
how
to
provide
the
extra
capacity
to
this
area.
D
All
the
existing
towers
are
kind
of
loaded.
They
have
three
sector
side
with,
like
18
to
20,
carries
already
there
so
to
add
extra
capacity.
We
try
to
avoid
putting
the
new
towers
here
and
use
the
existing
strip
Furniture
to
balance
out
improve
the
coverage
more
reliable
coverage,
while
adding
the
extra
capacity.
What
we
need
here
to
provide
the
better
user
experience
here.
D
B
These
are
existing
Network
sites
and
these
are
kind
of
the
coverage
footprint
right
and
you're.
Looking
at
the
coverage
footprint
in
a
static
environment
and
just
saying
where's,
the
inbuilding
coverage
from
these
sites,
his
Network
design
is
to
address
coverage
and
capacity
in
this
whole
area,
but
even
in
some
of
these
areas
as
well,
because
as
you
get
the
downtown
areas
where
we
are
now
right,
the
traffic
on
the
network
is
so
substantial.
This
site
can't
even
keep
up
with
it
and
really
what's
happening
is
this
sector.
B
You
know
this
is
kind
of
a
two-dimensional
plot.
We
thought
of
it
as
a
little
bit
more
of
a
living
breathing
Network.
This
is
shrinking
because
there's
so
much
Demand
on
this
network,
so
he's
trying
to
actually
build
in
network
coverage
and
capacity,
even
in
some
of
these
areas
and
what
that's
called
is
densification
or
even
underlaying,
and
the
best
example
I
can
give
you
the
best
example.
I
could
give
you
for
that
is
think
about
New
York,
City
New,
York
City.
B
If
we
we
talked
about
it
just
purely
from
coverage,
you
know
on
the
street.
Maybe
we
got
that
completed.
10
15
years
ago,
I,
don't
wouldn't
I'm
just
speculating
over
the
last
10
years,
we've
been
deploying
exactly
these
types
of
small
cells
in
all
kinds
of
areas
where
we
might
have
a
transmitter
on
the
roof.
We
need
one
right
down
in
the
street
because
the
traffic
that's
in
the
area
in
the
building
on
the
street
is
so
substantial.
So
you
could
literally
have
small
cells
in
an
utterly
around
those.
B
H
E
B
Exactly
it's
that
there's
coverage
there,
but
it
may
not
be
so
let
me
put
another
if
you
use
your
phone,
you
can
have
a
five
bar
signal,
but
if
the
thing
keeps
cycling
and
cycling
and
cycling
and
you're
looking
at
a
cell
site,
it's
because
there's
so
many
people
and
there's
a
limited
amount
of
frequency
available
for
use.
You
can't
actually
ask
access
the
network,
so
a
coverage
can
a
coverage
and
capacity
problem
can
be
co-trauminous
with
one
another.
Even
though
there's
technically
signal
in
the
character.
I
B
And
the
end
user
has
changed
right,
I
mean
we
all
have
basically
computers
right
in
our
sure,
so
social
media
posts
is
videos,
is
Facebook
live.
It's
all
these
things
that
just
hog
data
from
the
macro
towers,
and
this
just
bring
it
to
the
local
level.
It
frees
up
the
space
on
the
macro
sites
and
a
lot
of
the
better
experience
over
the
entire
area
code.
B
B
They
would
need
the
250,
but
not
necessarily
the
additional
1500.
No,
they
all
went
okay,
they
all
see
they're
all
they're,
all
Bulls.
We
have
because
they
are
such
low-powered
devices,
our
search
area,
we're
limited
to
maybe
two
to
three
hundred
feet.
So
we
get
a
set
of
coordinates
from
full
time.
My
team
goes
out.
We
search
all
the
goals
with
discount,
legible
and
I
said
won't,
allow
us
to
attach
to,
and
that
will
submit
a
candidate
of
three
or
five.
B
He
picks
the
best
one
that
fits
his
needs
and
then
so
it's
a
very,
very
local
search
area,
because
it's
not
like
a
map
or
site
where
we
would
have
a
much
bigger
search
very.
B
The
other
two-
and
this
is
where
Ruben's
being
holistic
other
two
of
those
know
and
you're
gonna
have
to
explain
which
one
person,
because
I
don't
know,
are
actually
in
state
rights.
The
way
that
the
city
doesn't
enter.
G
I
have
another
question,
so
you
had
a
chart
close
to
him
that
showed
that
you
know
something
about
your
their
only
emitting
the
60
of
the
strength
that
they
could
or
something
like
that.
If
you
go
back
to
that
chart
comes
to
end.
G
I'm
not
really
sure
what
that
means,
and
but
it
seems
to
me
that
if
they
were
more
powerful
closer
to
100,
that
you
wouldn't
need
as
many
of
them.
Is
that
not
true.
B
So
so,
too
far
to
answer
your
question
and
Steve
who's
on
the
line,
Bishop
can
answer
the
first
part,
which
is
how
those
numbers-
oh,
my
concern,
seems
like
that
who
can
answer
answer
the
the
announcements
on
the
safety
requirements
and
then
the
RF
part
of
the
question
can
answer
everything.
So
Michael
can
you
just?
This
is
just
a
summarization
of
all
the
detailed
science
reports
in
there,
but
if
you
could
just
describe
the
EMP
analysis,
sure.
K
Again,
Mike
Fisher
with
Centerline,
so
basically
what
we
do
is
we
take
att's
proposed
antenna,
configuration
and
the
proposed
frequencies
and
power
levels
are
going
to
operate
at
and
normally
we'll
put
them
into
a
software
modeling
tool
that
will
perform
calculations
to
determine.
So
these
numbers
are
showing
what
the
ground
level
exposure
values
would
be
predictive
ground
level
exposure
values
would
be
if
the
site
were
operating
at
100
of
its
radio
power
capabilities.
K
So
so
the
highest
value
from
these
is
0.7,
so
you
could
go
up
to
100
and
still
be
considered
compliant
and
the
the
proposed
nodes
here.
The
seven
proposed
nodes,
all
of
them
fall
below
one
percent,
so
the
the
max
predictive
exposure
values
at
the
ground
would
be
less
than
one
percent
or
over
a
hundred
times
below
what
the
FCC
allows
for
the
General
Public.
J
B
K
Correct
and
then
the
reason
for
that
is,
you
know
all
these
sites.
All
the
sites
that
are
being
used
are
using
the
same
frequencies.
So
if
you
start
cranking
up
the
power
you're,
just
you
start
interfering
with
with
neighboring
cells,
and
it
actually,
you
know,
can
cause
more
problems
than
it
can
help
the
FCC
limits.
How
much
power
you
know
the
license.
You
know
the
licensees
can
transmit
at
and
also
the
radio
equipment
only
allows
you
to
operate
at
certain
power.
K
So
when
we
run
our
analysis,
we
run
it
at
max
power
just
for
a
an
upper
limit,
or
you
know
worst
case
analysis.
I
guess
you
could
say,
but
in
reality
you
know
the
the
radio
equipment's
going
to
operate
at
an
optimal
power
level
to
minimize
neighboring.
You
know
interference
with
neighboring
cells
and
also
provide
adequate
coverage
to
the
users
in
the
area.
K
K
B
If
there's
any
more
questions
for
the
account,
maybe
we'd
open
that
back
up
during
deliberation,
but
I'd
like
to
get
a
few
public
comment,
I'd
like
to
open
up
the
public
hearing
not
to
get
through
those
things,
search
that
Megan.
How
do
you
want
to
run
this?
C
We
have
three
people
who
are
signed
up
to
speak
and
I
will
go
and
order
vocations,
so
towards
McGonagall.
Who
is
all
the
person
for
the
first
sport
is
speaking
not
to
a
specific
location.
C
B
Good
evening,
everybody
I'm
here,
because
when
we're
done,
I
was
Donna,
Wilson,
County
Council,
and
we
were
both
involved
in
creating
those
ornaments
that
the
gentleman
spoke
of
that
was
enacted
about
14
months
ago,
and
I
would
just
like
to
remind
everybody
yeah
in
their
ordinance.
B
A
significant
Gap
in
coverage
has
to
be
proven.
It
can't
just
be
maps
and
charts
has
to
be
moving
on
the
ground
and
so
I'm
very
concerned
about
all
the
requests
for
a
variance
from
the
distance,
Runners
and
I
would
I
would
urge
you
to
deny
the
variances
until
we're
actually
the
need
for
it
was
actually
important.
B
If
you
want
to
know
more
about
the
ordinance
I
encourage
you
to
read
it,
you
get
more
understanding
than
that
than
we
try
to
explain
it
to
you.
We
had
National
experts
help
us.
B
Crafted
and
the
danger
here
is,
if,
with
all
this
variance,
then
that
gives
every
other
Communications
company
would
like
to
ask
for
the
same
areas
and
then
then
we're
overwhelmed
with
installations
that
we
specifically
are
trying
to
avoid.
B
Because
I
don't
get
qualified
so
to
enforce
what
you
just
said
we'll
get
through.
We
got
to
get
through
not
get
through
again.
Do
you
feel
qualified
to
not
enforce
it
all
right,
we're
gonna
keep
moving
with
the
public
hearing
again.
The
public
hearings
can
stay
open
and
then
we
have.
It
will
need
to
interact
with
sure.
C
Back:
okay,
thanks
thanks,
George,
hey
our
next
speaker
or
locate
the
two
locations
at
507,
North,
Albany,
Street,
and
also
an
interested
party
at
the
location
closest
to
120.
Utica
Street
is
Jerome
Gagliano
of
105
1st
Street
foreign.
B
Resident
downtown
and
living
on
First
Street
I
opposed
appeal,
32-45
for
their
area
variants
and
their
small
cell
tower
installations.
Our
code
required,
depending
out
you
can
see
in
the
variants
from
the
setback
must
accrue,
as
George
just
said,
that
these
two
small
cells
remedies
significant
Gap
and
coverage.
There's
a
specific
definition
for
that.
What
that
is,
sections
325,
29,
12
and
2910
specifically
required
the
applicants
who
provide
the
hard
data
used
to
create
coverage
maps,
including
full
drive,
test
data
demonstrating
significant
Coverage
phone
service
coverage
or
actual.
B
Deficiency
and
shall
certify
the
activity
data
under
penalty
perjury.
They
showed
you
the
map,
so
I'm
not
going
to
do
that
in
the
appeal.
There
was
no
drive
test
data
or
drop
call.
Data
was
wasn't
provided
as
required,
but
it
sounds
like
they
are
going
to
do
that.
B
Everyone
knows
in
downtown
HTC
smartphones,
I,
actually
don't,
but
that's
a
good
4G
coverage
inside
outside
things
at
all
time-
and
you
know,
but
what's
more
important
here-
it's
not
about
4G
coverage
in
buildings
out
of
buildings.
The
more
fundamental
issue
is
that
instead,
even
providing
the
hard
data,
that's
required
is
that
the
stated
purpose
is
for
4G
data
coverage,
which
is
not
a
sufficient
reason
for
exemption
under
our
definition
of
a
significant
Gap
in
coverage
and
while
Federal
credential
requires
local
governments
to
allow
cell
towers
or
phone
service
coverage.
B
A
lack
of
wireless
internet
coverage
is
not
a
covered.
It's
not
covered
by
federal
Redemption
and
therefore
it's
not
a
legal
basis
for
exemption
to
our
code.
So,
despite
threats
suggesting
meeting
applicants
in
the
application
that
the
setbackers
requirements
would
quote
materially
inhibit,
unquote
them
from
providing
a
service
on
the
Telecommunications
Act.
Our
code
was
carefully
updated,
specifically
to
allow
the
city
of
Ithaca
to
regulate
these
new
South,
our
installation
without
filing
limitations
of
the
telephone
patients
Act.
B
We
were
warned
by
the
expert
attorney
that
companies
would
try
to
do
this,
and
so
the
decision
before
you,
the
bza,
must
be
carefully
considered.
What
was
the
point
of
updating
our
code
all
the
time
that
went
into
that?
B
If
we're
just
going
to
toss
it
out
here
to
Grant
this
appeal
without
the
applicant
providing
the
required
evidence
and
for
a
reason,
it's
not
covered
by
federal
preemption
and
not
covered
in
our
code,
we'll
set
a
dangerous
press
and
allow
all
virus
providers
to
put
up
multiple
cell
towers
on
every
block,
not
right
away,
but
over
time
it
will
build
and
build,
say
it's
not,
and
we
don't
have
5G
covers
now.
We've
got
to
put
more
Tower
spread.
B
Lastly,
so
I
think
the
applicant
is
allowed
to
present
their
appeal
to
the
BCA,
in
all
fairness,
a
presentation
of
why
the
appeal
should
not
be
granted
service
people
time
as
well,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
All
right,
our
final
registered
speaker,
I,
don't
know
if
she
was
able
to
join
us
or
not
is
Vanessa
wood
from
Fall
teaching
at
Fall,
Creek,
Elementary,
School.
C
She
did
submit
a
written
comment,
so
she
wasn't
sure
she'd
be
able
to
make
it
but
Okay.
So
that
is
all
of
the
speakers
being
registered.
We
have
written
comments.
C
I
will
no,
and
we
have
a
couple
new
write
in
comments
that
I'll
have
either
Lisa
or
Lisa.
Read
it
into
the
record,
but
I
do
just
want
to
know
the
comments
that
we've
received
and
we're
distributed
previously
to
the
board.
For
the
record.
C
We
have
for
the
location
and
nearest
507
North
Albany
Street.
We
received
letters
from
Jerome,
Gagliano
and
Molly
Kornblum,
then
in
opposition,
also
in
opposition
at
309
Franklin
Street,
Janice,
Cobar
of
601
Willow
Avenue
Mary
Russo
of
603
Willow
Avenue
in
Marty
Blodgett
at
414,
Adams
Street
for
the
location
at
202,
King,
Street,
Deborah
Cohen
at
108,
King,
Street,
Charles,
Andy,
Roman
and
Andrew
hertzberg
of
830
North
Roar
Street
in
Vanessa,
wood
of
Fall
Creek
Elementary
School,
submitted
comments
in
that
position
or
the
333
West
State
Street.
C
We
received
a
common
opposition
from
Elizabeth
Solano,
his
works
at
108,
South,
Albany
Street,
and
then
comments
in
opposition
to
120
Utica,
Street
installation.
We
have
Marilyn
Webb
of
703
North
Cayuga
Street
Jerome
Gagliano
105
First
Street
Molly
cornbum
of
105
First
Street
Margot
lystra
of
518
North
Tioga
Street,
Heather,
Stone,
511,
North,
Tioga,
Street,
Jill,
friedmutter
and
Catherine
Herrera
116
Utica
Street.
We
have
not
received
any
comments
regarding
635
West,
State,
Street
or
312
Thurston
Avenue,
but
we
do
have
those
three
comments
at
least
I'll.
Let
you
okay.
J
All
right,
the
first
comment
is
from
Deborah
Justice
regarding
507.
My
name
is
Justice
and
I
am
concerned
about
these
new
proposed
ATT
antennas.
I
live
about
250
feet
from
one
of
the
proposed
locations
at
507,
North,
Albany
Street,
in
addition
to
being
the
mother
of
a
very
small
child
and
having
health
concerns
about
the
antennas.
J
Att
has
hasn't,
submitted
the
hard
data
required
by
the
city
code
to
prove
both
gaps
in
coverage
and
capacity
deficiencies
and
their
appeals
shouldn't
be
granted
until
they
do,
and
the
bza
has
a
chance
to
confirm
that
they've
provided
adequate
groups.
Specific
areas
of
concern
with
this
are
in
325-29
.4
legislative
intent,
especially
some
parts
C7
and
C8,
and
325.10
submittal
requirements,
especially
sub
Part
B
set.
Large
corporations
should
have
to
follow
the
rules.
Please
block
this
extension.
J
The
second
letter
is
from
Nate
Foster
in
regarding
120
Utica
Street
I
am
ready
to
express
my
support
for
appeal
3245,
which
seeks
to
add
several
small
cell
base
stations
at
various
locations
throughout
the
city.
My
wife
and
I
are
owners
of
209
Utica
Street,
which
is
listed
as
an
adjoining
property
for
the
proposed
base
stations
at
Utica
and
Marshall
streets.
J
My
home
is
located
at
110
East
Marshall
Street,
which
is
across
the
street
from
the
proposed
cell
antenna
listed
on
120
Utica
Street
I
am
submitting
the
following
written
comments
for
consideration
at
today's
public
week.
I
am
opposed
to
the
proposed
very
variation
and
concerned
with
the
concerned
with
the
potential
adverse
impacts
that
could
result
and
I
requested
the
proposed,
but
variants
be
denied
or
deleted.
J
City
Ithaca
City
code
defines
several
applicable
requirements
that
the
proposed
variance
does
not
appear
to
comply
with.
Most
importantly,
there
is
no
clear
indication
of
having
a
demonstrated
need
for
the
proposed
variance.
If
there
is
a
current
coverage
Gap,
it
would
be
beneficial
to
understand
if
there
is
sufficient
data
to
support
that
claim
and
know
that
this
will
be
objectively
reviewed
and
validated
for
the
proposed
bearings
is
considered.
J
If,
if
there
is
such
a
need,
it
would
be
helpful
to
understand
if
there
are
other
better
alternatives
for
the
proposed
salad
they're,
not
within
this
densely
populated
residential
neighborhood
or
in
close
approximity
to
a
school.
The
city
code
also
encourages
use
of
existing
utility
goals,
and
it
is
troubling
to
see
that
new
utility
pool
has
already
been
put
up
a
facilitation
ahead
of
the
composed
parents.
It
would
be
helpful
to
hear
an
explanation.
J
Lastly,
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
how
many,
if
any
impacted
residents
Express
concern
in
support
of
the
proposed
variance
versus
the
numbers
that
are
up
close
if
there
is
an
overwhelming
majority
opposed
to
this
variance
that
will
hopefully
factor
into
the
decision.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
comment
and
thank
you
for
your
consideration.
C
B
B
B
We're
going
to
you
know,
identify
locations.
You
know
identify
concerns
specific
to
that
location.
Anybody
wants
to
talk
about
their
generalities,
but
for
starters,
507,
North,
Albany,
Street
or
I,
guess,
I'm,
sorry,
I
also
I.
Usually
we
allow
the
appellant
to
respond
to
some
of
those
critiques.
We
could
do
that
at
the
next
hearing,
while
we're
working
or
what
you
know
I'm
trying
to
keep
track
of
time
as
well.
No
actually
I
appreciate
it.
B
Thank
you,
chair,
I'll,
just
really
quick
couple
of
remarks
and
then
we'll
listen
to
your
deliberation,
a
couple
of
notes
that
I
heard-
and
we
already
shared
we're
gonna,
try
to
get
you
some
empiric
data
that
I
support.
Why
we're
here
why
we
needed
what
the
coverage
objectives
that
we
talked
about?
I
would
disagree
strongly
with
the
comment
that
was
made
and
you
don't
want
to
hear
from
me
a
whole
dissertation
on
the
Telecom
act.
B
Right-Of-Way
management,
zoning,
but
we
as
a
wireless
provider
do
have
an
ability
to
provide
services.
Those
Services
can
be
enhanced
Wireless
services,
and
you
look
at
the
history
of
the
Telecom
act
going
back
25
years.
The
comment
that
was
made
is
that
somehow
data
is
not
rejected.
These
are
all
services
that
wireless
providers
are
licensed
by
the
SEC
to
provide
it
is
protected.
B
We
do
have
a
right
to
be
in
the
right-of-way
right
away
management,
as
it's
really
commonly
understood
for
minnesotans
is
how
do
you
regulate
our
access
to
the
right
of
consistent
with
other
providers
and
address
the
largest
establishments
issues?
So
we
think
we
presented
a
very
compelling
application
on
Aesthetics
we're
using
utility
poles
for
co-location,
and
that's
largely
how
this
is
addressed.
So
so
we
can
address
more
about
that
as
needed
in
our
subsequent
submission
and
I
thought.
B
B
Why
are
we
here?
What
is
the
service
intended
to
go
ride
with
the
effects
and
the
effects,
as
we
believe
them
to
be,
or
really
just
the
Aesthetics
of
adding
equipment
to
the
polls
polls
that
are
already
above
ground,
the
existing
equipment
and
cable
fiber
electric
company?
So
we
don't
see
a
large
impact.
We
understand
you'd
like
more
information
on
why
we're
here
in
less
than
we
will
get
that
to
you,
so
I
just
wanted
to
provide
that
further
context
before.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Any
Board
number
wanna
chime
in.
M
M
M
Think
these
guys
are
doing
the
exact
definition
of
that
I
think
they're
doing
in
a
way
that
minimizes
the
impact
on
the
community
there's
no
visual
damage
that
I
can
see
from
this
I
think
they've
talked
a
lot
about
how
there's
you
know,
they're
doing
it
in
the
smallest
possible
way
and
they've
considered
Alternatives
and
they're,
not
as
good.
M
If
they're
said
they're
going
to
provide
data,
you
know
my
understanding
is:
there's
already
drive
test
data
at
all
and
stuff
that
they're
going
to
provide
more
you
know,
is
the
variance
on
any
of
these
substantial,
like
you
know,
normally,
when
we
think
about
substantiality,
we
think
about
percentages,
but
this
is
weird
because
we've
got
a
code
that
I
it's
impossible
to
meet
the
250
foot
requirement.
So
it's
hard.
You
know
we
can't
think
about
this
in
this
area.
M
That
I
think
about,
like
you
know
a
lot
coverage
requirement
or
something
like
that:
physical
character,
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood.
M
You
know,
I,
don't
see
this
having
any
impact
on
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood,
I
think
they're,
basically
non-noticeable,
for
instance,
any
existing
poll
and
is
it
difficulties
have
created.
I
think
this
is
the
plumbing.
At
this
point
you
know
they
said
you
know
like
I.
Don't
think
this
is
self-created.
I
think
this
is
an
essential
service.
M
You
know
if
Spectrum
came
in
and
said:
hey
we
need
home
internet,
you
know,
so
we
can
go
and
talk
about
each
one
of
these
individually,
but
we
are
waiting
on
some
data
and
I
would
have
the
same
comment
about
all
of
them.
I
share
Mike's
comments
that
I
feel
somewhat
under
qualified
to
have
a
technical
conversation
with
any
of
these
people
about
Telecom
data,
and
you
know
we
are
going
to
be
relying
on
City
staff
for
a
lot
of
that.
So
yeah.
B
Thanks
Andre
I
I
would
like
to
agree
with
Andre's
analysis
of
our
typical
criteria
for
evaluating
variants
can't.
E
I
made
a
collective
judgment
here.
I
think
is
one
of
them.
It's
within
750
feet
of
my
house.
I'll
just
floats
at
next
month.
B
Saying
yeah
so,
okay,
likewise,
so
what
what
board
members
they
are
speaking
to
is
the
fact
that
not
every
board
member
will
be
voting.
Certain
board
members
will
abstain
from
certain
variances
out
of
this
list.
Just
do
that.
750
plus
proximity
me
personally,
I
agree
a
lot
with
what
Andre's
sentiments
are
I
think
it
might
be
frustrating
for
certain
members
of
the
public
or
Council
that
now
exhibit
this.
B
It's
in
this
Arena
that
that's
the
way
the
code
was
written
and,
like
Andre,
said
that
this
is
a
variance
to
determine
whether
or
not
this
goes
to
staff
level
review
and
then
the
big
one
in
terms
of
environmental
conditions,
adverse
impacts
on
the
neighborhood.
B
Much
of
what
the
public
comment
refers
to
is
not
within
our
realm
to
deliberate
on
and
take
into
account,
and
it's
not
as
though
we
don't
hear
those
comments
or
want
to
sweep
those
concerns
into
the
rug.
It's
just
this.
This
board
has
really
been
a
narrow
window
of
purview
and
that's
what
we're
dealing
with
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
think
contributes
to
some
of
the
frustration
that
this
might
open
the
door
wide
open
or
something
I
view.
B
The
code
as
having
been
deliberately
written
to
prohibit
I,
don't
know
I
I've
questions
about
the
way
the
code
is
even
written.
In
the
first
place
it
seemed
like
it
was
designed
to
prohibit
this
and
the
one
that
stands
out
to
me.
There
is
the
1500
foot
rule.
It
seems
like
it
rewards
those
that
come
first
I
I,
think
that's
I,
don't
know,
that'd
be
a
question
for
for
attorneys,
but
it
just
seems
a
little
arbitrary
or
capricious
even
I.
B
Just
I
have
some
problems
with
that,
but
again
it
won't
I'll
be
going
after
the
five
factors
for
an
area,
variance
and
myself.
You
can
start
in
line
with
boundaries.
At
this
point.
H
But
then
the
point
I'm
looking
at
too,
is
at
a
certain
level
we're
going
to
create
a
situation
where,
where
I
live,
determines
what
cell
service
I
get,
and
so
maybe
I
don't
like
ATT,
because
it's
trash
service,
but
that's
all
that's
available
for
my
house
and
I'd.
Much
rather
have,
or
vice
versa,
like
Verizon's
great
I
want
Verizon,
but
I
can
like
the
same
way
all
around
where
it's
like
now,
where
I
live,
determines
what
provider
I
can
use,
and
that
causes
me
like
a
fair
amount
of
alarm.
H
I
want
to
have
choice
of
service
based
on
not
where
I
live,
but
what
I
actually
prefer
so
I'm
coming
at
it.
From
that
end,
where
I'm
like
I
kind
of
just,
want
one
pull
thrill
every
provider
up
there
and
then
I
get
to
pick
right
like
that.
That's
my
ideal
purchasing
situation,
but
then
I,
look
at
I
I'm,
really
stuck
on
the
comparison
map,
because
I'm
looking
at
the
comparison
map
and
I
get
what
the
applicants
were
saying
about.
How
well
that's
not
actually
what
it
shows,
but
it
is
what
it
showed.
H
So
that's
all
I
really
truly
have
to
go
on
and
say
you
could
absolutely
shift
some
of
those
in
closer
to
the
orange
Zone
ship.
Those
other
ones
out.
Do
it
with
way
less
need
for
the
amount
of
pulls
and
still
cover
it.
Maybe
not
the
entirety
of
the
portion
that
you're
looking
for,
but
huge
portions
of
it
80
of
it.
I
I,
don't
know,
but
that's
where
I'm
looking
at
an
absolute
feasible
alternative
that
I
can
see
there
as
one
of
our
five
factors
and
where
it's
like
you're
telling
me
you
need
it.
H
Okay,
I
get
it.
It
looks
like
you
can
do
this
in
a
much
simpler
way.
So
I
know
we're
supposed
to
go
individual
node
by
individual
node,
but
it's
all
it
is
at
a
certain
level
impossible
to
consider
them
individually
when
we're
giving
them
this
here's
seven
of
them.
This
is
what
it
looks
like.
This
is
what
we're
going
for,
and
I'm
like
you
could
do
that
with
three
or
four.
B
Right,
I,
I
think
at
this
point
we've
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
other
appeals
tonight,
so
we're
waiting
on
more
information
from
the
account
the
public
hearing
remains
open
and
any
other
information
we
need
from
staff
that
might
reach
out
in
one
event,
but
at
this
point,
I
wrote
to
our
table
list
or
I'd
make
a
motion
to
table
this
appeal
until
I
get
no
matter
all
right
Megan.
Can
you
please
support
the
board's
numbers
on
a
motion
to
table.
M
B
All
right,
all
right
Megan,
can
we
please
call
PO
number
3240.
C
Okay
appeal
number
3240
appeal
of
green
star
Cooperative
market
for
assigned
variants
from
section
272
6b2,
the
number
and
size
of
permitted
signs
in
the
commercial
Zone.
The
applicant's
college
town
location
is
on
the
first
floor
of
the
mixed
use,
building
at
307,
College
Ave.
At
the
time
of
the
building's
construction,
the
applicant
obtained
a
signed
permit
to
install
the
green
star,
Natural,
Foods,
Market
and
projecting
logo
sign
window
Graphics
in
the
north
facing
store
window
were
later
installed
without
a
permit.
C
The
applicant
recently
applied
for
another
permit
to
install
window
Graphics
along
the
bottom
of
the
storefront
windows
on
College
Ave
in
the
mixed
use,
2
District
each
business
is
allowed
a
maximum
of
two
building
signs
and
the
applicant
is
currently
proposing
to
keep
all
four
building
signs.
In
addition,
the
storefront
location
allows
a
maximum
of
60
square
feet
of
signage
in
the
current
proposal
includes
73.2
square
feet
of
signage.
All
four
signs
are
currently
proposed.
The
applicant
proposed
to
remove
the
projecting
logo
sign
at
the
time
the
storefront
window
Graphics
were
installed
and
then
reinstall.
N
Hello:
everyone,
my
name
is
Jeff
bessmer
I'm,
the
relatively
new
general
manager
of
the
green
star
food
co-op,
as
of
July,
are
I
I,
don't
have
a
whole
presentation
just
a
brief
summary.
This
is
our
college
town
store
for
those
of
you
who
may
be
unfamiliar
with
green
star.
We
are
a
community-owned
Natural,
Foods,
Market,
cooperatively,
owned
by
about
12
000
of
our
neighbors
here
in
the
greater
Ithaca
area
we've
been
around
since
1973,
and
we
opened
our
locate,
Third
location
in
college
town
in
2014.
N
and
and
yeah.
So
we
are
we're
seeking
to
improve
our
street
facing
signage.
We
we
have
found
that
we
are
fairly
poorly
known
on
in
college
town
and
on
college
campuses
and
we're
doing
a
number
of
things
to
improve
our
our
awareness
presence
up
there.
You
know
we're
one
of
the
only
grocery
stores
in
the
area.
N
It's
serving
that
Community,
which
which,
historically
you
know
University
towns,
are
quite
underserved
nationally
in
terms
of
grocery
in
terms
of
fresh
food
and-
and
we
feel
like
these
signage
variances
would
really
help.
People
discover
that
we
are
there
that
and
just
learn
what
this
great
Community
institution
is
and
has
been.
N
You
know
it's
I
will
say
it's
it's
the
year
three
of
a
five-year
construction
across
the
street
as
well.
In
the
previous
three
years,
the
road,
including
the
sidewalk
up
to
the
front
of
our
building,
has
been
torn
up.
It's
had
a
tremendous
impact
on
the
the
sales
of
the
store
and
and
such,
and
this
would
be
something
that
would
that
would
really
help
us
kind
of
make
it
through
the
additional
two
years
of
construction
and
all
of
that,
and
and
just
you
know,
it's
particularly
the
the
road
across
street.
N
The
sidewalk
has
been
torn
out
most
of
the
time
and
lots
of
construction
of
vehicles
like
that,
and
that's
what
most
of
the
original
signage
was
intended
to
serve.
Is
you
know
people
walking
on
the
other?
You
know
walking
on
the
side
of
the
street,
who
could
look
over
and
see,
but
obviously
there
have
been
no
those
none
of
those
folks
for
the
period
of
three
years
of
construction
and
the
next
two
years
coming
up.
N
So
this
would
also
you
know,
help
us
out
a
lot
and
you
know
is
consistent
with
the
other
businesses
up
there.
There's
lots
and
lots
of
signs
on
on
every
window
at
the
other
local
businesses
up
in
the
area,
so
it
would
kind
of
make
us
a
little
bit
more
typical
of
of
other
other
service
providers
to
the
to
the
college
town
community.
So
I'm
happy
to
feel
to
any
questions.
N
I'm
super
grateful
for
your
time,
chair
and
board,
and
please
let
me
know
if
there's
anything
I
can
do
for
you.
M
Oh
I
just
want
to
look
over
there
and
go
a
little
more.
This
is
the
same
signage
you
use
at
the
other
stores,
the
bigger
the
four
ones
at
the
base
right.
N
Yeah,
that
is
correct.
It's
it's
exactly
the
same
as
as
in
our
DeWitt
store
Windows
on
in
the
DeWitt
mall.
So.
E
G
I'm
also
a
member
of
Windstar
and
I
live
near
midstore
and
he
is
right
that
it
it.
It's
been
a
horrible
up
there
for
years,
trying
to
walk
back
and
forth
to
green
star
trying
to
walk
from
my
house
to
the
library
it's
just
awful
and
I
think.
Even
if
it's
a
temporary
solution,
we
should
do
anything
we
can
to
help
the
struggling
businesses
on
that.
G
A
G
There's
a
way
that
we
can
grant
a
temporary
areas.
That
would
be
great
for
two
years
until
there's
some,
you
know:
Breathing
Room,
on
College
Avenue
I'm,
also
curious
about
the
original
intent
of
our
the
city,
so
I'm
ordering
in
fact
I'm
assuming
it
was
to
prevent
visual
clutter
and,
if
there's
any
kind
of
judgment
to
being
involved.
Please
please
they're
not
cluttery
at
all,
they're,
very
tasteful,
so.
A
B
E
C
Yes,
so
we
do
not
have
anyone
either
signed
up
to
speak
and
we
haven't
written,
received
any
written
comments
either
in
support
or
opposition.
C
I
do
have
a
comment
from
the
planning
board
which
states
the
planning
board
supports
the
sign
variants
and
Fields.
The
sides
add
to
the
vibrancy
of
the
building
facade.
They
also
support
economic
vitality
and
find
the
sign
to
help
the
store
remain.
A
viable
business.
C
The
board
finds
a
signed
package
has
no
long-term
impacts
to
planning,
and
then
one
thing
I
just
want
to
know
about
sign
variances
that
are
a
little
bit
different
than
area
variances
area,
variances
Run
for
the
life
of
the
property,
whereas
a
sign
variance
lasts
for
the
life
of
the
sign.
C
So
basically
so
say
the
window
Graphics
that
that
lasts
for
the
lifespan
of
that
of
that
set
of
window
graphics
and
they
could
either
replace
them
with
the
exact
same
dimensions
and
such
or
they
would
have
to
come
back
to
the
board
for
a
different
variance.
So
it
is
more
limiting
and
I
know.
In
the
past,
we've
struggled
with
variants
decisions.
C
It's
not
possible
to
make
a
temporary
variant.
So
to
speak,
but
in
the
case
of
assigned
variance,
it
is
more
temporary
than
what
we
talk
about
in
terms
of
with
an
area
variance
because
that
that
lasts
perpetuity,
whereas
the
next
business
that
might
move
in
should
GreenStar
decide
to
locate
somewhere
else
that
wouldn't
carry
over
for
them.
A
M
B
Can
I
make
a
motion?
Yes,
sir,
make
a
motion
to
grow
now
to
Grant
the
variance
number
3240
for
307
College
Ave
factors
that
we
considered
or
the
size
of
the
sign.
G
H
B
L
E
C
Mr
Cannon,
yes,
Miss
Fleming,
yes,
Mr
Carter,
yes,
Mr,
Kirby
and
Mr
Barkin.
Yes,
all
right!
So
congratulations!
Your
variance
has
been
granted.
I
would
tell
you
I
would
the
way
we
work
this
I.
Don't
you
don't
need
to
wait
for
your
sign
permit
so,
but
you
may
maintain
all
of
the
existing
signs
that
you
have
and
I
will
forward
a
copy
of
the
final
permits
approvals
for
your
records.
E
G
B
B
We've
owned
that
property
since
November
of
2019,
but
he
not
moved
into
May
of
21.
having
a
pandemic
slow
down
again.
B
B
I
have
recorded
countless
vendor
screens
trying
to
get
into
the
garage
or
as
a
vet,
new
vacuum
out
of
the
garage,
those
lovely
Wing
mirrors,
we've
lost
them
probably
many
times
or
at
least
damaged
very
long
now
my
life
and
I
are
both
in
our
societies
and
one
day
we
were
thinking
as
we
tried
to
get
out
of
the
car
and
they
realized.
Wouldn't
it
be
nice
if
we
didn't
open
like
a
while,
the
car
door
is
what
we
need
to
watch
which
at
present
we
can't.
Yes,
it
was
our
way.
B
So
we're
about
to
hire
our
contractor
who's
done
lots
of
other
work.
This
is
called
youth,
Builders
and.
B
He's
put
together
a
design,
and
you
guys
get
to
see
that
okay,
basically,
we
are
expanding
the
link
and
we
took
the
garage
by
about
three
feet
each.
This
will
allow
us
to
actually
open
it
where
and
get
in
and
out
without
struggling,
it's
basically
the
same
location
except
now
it's
going
to
be
realigned
to
parallel
one's
the
site
has
been
parallel
to
the
property
or
rather
than
jumping
right
into
it,
and
a
two
and
a
half
feet
is
about.
B
As
far
as
we
can
go,
we
still
have
it
have
a
chance
to
line
up
with
the
driveway
so
that
we
can
get
the
car
in
I.
Think
that's!
Basically
what
we're
looking
for
on
the
mission
trip
foreign
I
realized
we
skipped
over
where
you
usually
read.
Could
you
just
remind
board
members
what
the
actual
specific
task
is.
C
Yes,
happy
too,
so
the
oops.
Let
me
pull
it
up
here:
sorry,
okay,
so
Mr
Bowen,
seeking
a
variance
for
section,
325,
8,
column
6,
which
is
lot
area,
column,
10,
lot,
coverage
by
buildings,
com,
11,
front
yard
and
column
13
other
side
yards
as
well
as
section
325,
25
location
of
accessory
structures.
C
So
the
the
variance
requests
for
deficiencies
will
be
exacerbated
or
a
lot
coverage
by
buildings
due
to
the
increased
size
of
the
garage
and
the
new
garage
will
also
create
a
new
setback
for
accessory
structures,
variants,
which
is
required
to
be
six
feet
from
the
side,
yard
line
and
three
feet
from
the
rear.
And
then
the
other
deficiencies,
lot
area,
front,
yard
and
side
yard
are
existing.
That
won't
be
exacerbated
by
The
Proposal.
B
B
G
B
Let's
open
up
public
content
Megan
are
there
any
people
here
to
speak
or
I
know
we've
read
we
received
one
letter
of
support.
We
all
have
it
for
our
record.
No.
C
I
think,
as
long
as
everybody's
seen,
it
you're
all
set
I
believe
there's
a
lot
of
support
from
the
property
owners
immediately
adjacent
at
107,
Crescent
Place.
C
We
don't
have
any
comments
either
signed
up
to
speak
now
or
written
for
an
opposition.
We
have
a
recommendation
from
the
planning
board.
The
planning
board
is
in
favor
of
this
variance
as
they
support
owner
Investments
and
property
improvement
with
minimal
land
use
impacts.
The
barn
finds
no
long-term
impacts
to
planning
and
that's
all
I
have
for
this
variance.
B
Is
there
a
motioned
I'll
make
a
motion?
Okay,
make
a
motion.
We
Grant
variance
three
two
four
one
for
105,
Crescent,
Place
criteria
and
factors
we
considered
are
whether
an
undesirable
change
would
be
reduced
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
detriment
to
nearby
properties
for
sounding
no.
That.
B
I
would
say
no
over
the
requested,
variance
is
substantial,
I
would
say:
no
will
the
variants
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
environmental
conditions
that
the
neighborhood
know
and
whether
the
alleged
difficulty
was
self-created?
Well,
we
purchased
that
bigger.
B
Yes,
I
guess
it
was,
but
I
really
can't.
C
C
I
will
send
you
the
written
approval
and
also
send
that
to
the
building
division
as
well.
So
you
can
move
forward
with
getting
your
building
permit
and
move
forward
with
construction
when
the
weather
warms
or
if
you
choose
to
do
it
in
the
winter
time.
So.
B
Thank
you
board
members,
and
certainly
especially.
C
C
Appeal:
three:
two:
four:
three
of
property
owner:
Cornell
Radio
Guild
for
an
area,
variance
from
section
325,
8
column,
4
off
street
parking
column,
11,
front
yard
in
column,
14,
15,
rare
yard,
requirements
of
the
zoning
ordinance,
the
property
at
604,
East,
Buffalo
Street
is
currently
home
to
the
Cornell
Radio
Guild
in
office
use
under
the
city,
zoning
ordinance
in
the
past,
the
property
house,
professional
offices,
residential
units
in
the
student
center
and
received
area
variances
for
parking
off
Street
loading
and
yard
setbacks
in
1995,
1996
and
2012..
C
The
most
recent
variants,
bza
number
2885,
was
approved
in
2012
for
off-street
parking
when
Cornell
Radio
Guild
moved
in
and
occupied
the
entire
building
as
an
office
use,
this
required
seven
off-street
parking
spaces.
One
space
is
provided
on
site
and
the
BCA
granted
a
variance
for
three
spaces,
provided
that
three
additional
spaces
were
released
off-site
in
perpetuity.
The
applicant
now
seeks
an
area
variance
for
these
three
previously
leased
spaces.
C
The
Advocate
notes
of
the
operation
of
the
Radio
Guild
has
changed
due
to
the
Coba
19
pandemic,
as
there
are
no
longer
any
full-time
staff
and
many
operations
are
conducted
remotely.
The
property
also
has
existing
deficiencies
and
required
front
yard
and
rear
yard.
That
will
not
be
exacerbated
by
this
proposal.
These
specific
area
deficiencies
were
not
included
in
the
prior
variances.
G
O
Okay,
hi,
everyone
I
hope
you're
all
doing
very
well.
Today.
My
name
is
Emily
Choi
and
I
am
the
President
of
the
Cornell
Radio
Guild
incorporated
as
well
as
a
student
at
Cornell.
University
I
also
have
Larry
a
board
member
on
call
with
us
today,
who
is
also
open
to
answering
questions
along
with
myself.
O
O
East
Buffalo
Street
I
am
here
today,
because
the
guild
has
made
an
appeal
for
an
area
of
variance
or
provision
of
the
zoning
ordinance
325-8
column
4,
which
refers
to
the
off
street
parking
as
well
as
a
follow-up
to
the
previous
appeal
that
was
granted
by
the
Board
of
zoning
appeals
in
the
year
of
2012..
O
So
since
2012
back
when
the
guild
first
purchased
this
property,
the
organization
has
been
required
to
rent
three
off-site
parking
spots
from
a
third
party
provider
to
provide
non-residential
parking
options
to
its
full-time
staff.
We
are
appealing
to
have
this
requirement
removed
due
to
the
pandemic
and
business
related
changes
to
the
organization.
The
Guild,
as
mentioned
by
Megan
no
longer
has
any
full-time
staff,
and
much
of
the
operations
of
the
business
are
managed
remotely.
O
So
the
three
rented
spots
are
unnecessary
and
never
used
by
US,
which
takes
those
potential
parking
options
away
from
Neighbors
that
need
the
spots
and
would
actually
use
them,
such
as
small
business
owners
locals
and
students.
We
want
to
be
good
neighbors
by
offering
up
these
spots
to
them.
Further,
the
rented
parking
spaces
have
become
a
real
financial
hardship
due
to
the
dramatic
decline
in
our
financial
condition
from
the
pandemic's
impact
on
our
local
economy.
O
Our
operating
income
has
declined
by
almost
50
percent
since
2019,
and
we
are
really
struggling
at
the
moment
because
our
revenue
does
not
cover
our
needs
and
as
a
non-profit,
that
receives
no
financial
support
from
Cornell.
This
requirement
worsens
the
Guild's
Financial
State
in
a
critical
way
as
we're
struggling
to
bounce
back
from
the
pandemic.
O
Due
to
the
nature
of
the
organization,
the
vast
majority
of
Staff
consists
of
Cornell
University
students
like
myself,
who
will
never
need
off,
who
will
never
need
the
parking
on
site
and
604
East
Buffalo
Street
is
also
well
within
walking
distance
of
most
students,
Homes
and
Apartments.
There's
also
a
bus
stop
one
block
away
on
Stewart
Avenue,
with
buses
running
frequently
between
campus
and
college
town.
In
addition,
604
East
Buffalo
Street
currently
has
one
off
street
parking
space
in
front
of
the
building,
which
is
more
than
enough
for
the
occasional
Advertiser
and
other
station
visitors.
O
M
Yeah
I
have
one:
are
you
guys
currently
I
guess
where
are
you
renting
these
cases
now,
if
you
are
and
how
much
does
it
cost?
If
my
memory
surgery
there's
only
one
parking
lot
within
500
feet
of
your
location,
foreign.
E
The
closest
spaces
we
could
find
for
rent
were
at
705
Buffalo
Street,
which
is
actually
far
enough
away
that
nobody
ever
uses
it
and
it
costs
4
500
a
year
for
three
spaces,
which
is
at
the
moment
more
than
10
percent
of
our
annual
revenue.
Excuse
me
and
is
really
untenable
for
us.
Under
current
economic
circumstances,.
E
C
That's
correct,
so
they
did
get
a
variance
to
have
the
lease
parking
at
705
East
Buffalo
so
because
they
found
places
outside
the
500
feet,
but
not
within
yeah.
M
Thank
you
question
for
Megan
705
East
Buffalo
looks
like
an
apartment
complex.
Do
they
have
excess
parking
capacity
there
that
they
can
rent?
Where
are
they
renting
spaces
that
are
allocated?
You
know
which
cover
their
own
Tenors.
C
I
believe
they
have
excess
capacity
because
it
isn't
officially
documented.
But
let
me
if
you
give
me
just
a
minute
I
can
look.
You
can
move
on
to
the
next
question.
I'll
come
back
to
that
foreign.
D
C
The
only
public
comment
we
have
it
was
sent
out
in
advance
a
letter
of
support
from
a
nearby
property
owner.
You
should
have
that
in
your
that
was
sent
out
by
email.
Does
everyone
have
it
okay?
So
we
don't
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
or
any
other
comments
and
support
or
opposition?
C
Let
me
pull
up
here.
The
comments
from
the
planning
board,
yeah,
okay,.
A
C
I'm
trying
to
find
the
other
as
they
generally
support
reduction
in
parking
is.
There
are
no
physical
changes
with
the
approval
of
those
variance.
The
planning
board
finds
no
long
in
terms
it
long-term
impacts
to
planning
The
Proposal
was
also
reviewed
by
the
landmarks
preservation
commission
and
the
commission
unanimously
supported
the
area.
C
B
C
No
so
for
this
particular
case
you
know
the
area
variants
will
run
for
the
life
of
the
property.
So
then
the
next
you
know
tenant
or
owner
whether
they
be
office
or
residential,
would
then
have
the
variance
for
if
the
board
granted
what's
requested
tonight,
they
would
have
a
variance
for
six
spaces
that
would
be
applied
towards
whatever
the
new
parking
requirement
would
be.
A
D
B
B
We
haven't
seen
anything
like
that
before
in
terms
of
commitment
to
the
to
the
zoning
ordinance
and
then
the
forty
five
hundred
dollars
per
month
per
year.
I
would
argue
that
those
substantial
we
haven't
seen
fruit
of
that
you
can
make
a
condition
on
what
you've
seen
their
lease
if
you'd
like.
But
that's
a
big
number.
H
A
B
After
I
guess
just
in
terms
of
what
you
or
what
we've
asked
of
other
parking
variances
just
you
know
so
that
they're
sort
of
there's
a
consistency
in
how
we
approach
them.
But
I
think
this
is
a
unique
circumstance
and
that
it's
in
the
historic
district
and
the
uniqueness
of
the
lot
itself
and
the
use
of
that
space.
M
M
B
I
guess
one
thing:
we've
asked
of
other
phones
to
prove
that
they've
at
least
emailed
or
corresponded
with
neighbors,
to
basically
see
if
they're
attempting
it
that'd,
be
one
thing
that
you
can
do
here,
so
you
could
just
make
it
a
contingency
that
at
some
point
they
provide
a
staff,
but
they
they
have
these
marketing.
But
that's
a
discretion
on
board
members.
A
H
I
H
I'll
motion
to
Grant
variance
number
three,
four,
two
three
for
604
East,
Buffalo
Street
during
the
factors
we
considered
were
whether
an
undesirable
change
would
be
produced
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
a
detriment
to
nearby
properties.
I'll
say
no.
H
They
talked
about
the
lack
of
use
of
the
parking
spaces
as
they
currently
have
them,
including
the
ones
that
they
are
paying
to
lease.
Whether
the
benefits
out
by
the
applicant
can
be
achieved
by
a
feasible
alternative
for
the
variance
as
much
as
we
don't
have
the
proof
that
David
was
talking
about
I'm,
going
to
say
no
they've
gone
outside
of
what
was
originally
required
and
they're
paying.
H
What
they're
telling
us
is
10
of
their
operating
costs
for
forty
five
hundred
dollars
for
three
parties
about
three
years,
I,
don't
know
what
other
what
more
they
could
do
at
this
point,
whether
the
requested
variance
is
substantial
for
this
one,
I'm
actually
going
to
say
yes,
we're
moving
it
down
from
what
was
originally
seven
spaces
to
a
single
space,
I
think
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
that
is
a
large
change.
I
know
previous
experiences
have
been
granted
and
things
move
that
way,
but
at
its
core
seven
to
one
yes,
substantial.
H
What
the
variants
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
or
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood,
no
again
they're,
not
using
the
spaces,
they're
leasing
and
whether
the
alleged
difficulty
was
so
created
again
this
one's
kind
of
like
yes,
they
all
are.
But
again,
the
difficulty
they're
having
here
is
largely
covert
based
changes
in
driving
culture
in
the
area
and
the
cost
that
they
are
outlaying
to
maintain
the
leases
that
they
have
so
yeah
I
do
move
to
Grant
variance
3343.
B
For
a
second
second
and
the
comment
they've
been
almost
10
years
and
in
that
10
years,
technology
has
changed
enough
that
they
they
don't
need
all
that
many
people
even
living
there.
So.
A
E
A
C
C
I
will
write
this
up
and
get
a
copy
of
it
to
you
within
the
next
couple
of
days
and
I'm,
not
sure
when
the
expiration
of
your
parking
lease
is,
but
this
will
go
to
the
building
division.
So
it
will
not
need
to
your
lease
will
not
need
to
re
new
to
keep
any
use
of
the
building.
B
And
then
Megan
with
this
one
we're
starting
with
how
are
we
starting
this?
Are
we,
starting
with
this
discussion
on
board
members
or
asking
any
questions
to
be
added
materials
that
we
presented.
C
Sure
so
I
mean
the
the
applicants
presented
last
month
and
the
board
wanted
to
focus
on
written
information
from
them
and
then
I'm
just
ask
any
questions.
There
wasn't
a
an
interest
in
having
an
additional
presentation,
so
I
guess
I
would
just
want
to
confirm
that
everybody
received
the
supplemental
information
from
the
project
team
and
if
there
are
any
questions,
you're
welcome
to
ask.
Otherwise
you
can
resume
your
deliberations.
C
The
public
hearing
was
actually
closed
last
last
menu,
so
you
don't
have
to
do
anything
with
it.
At
this
meeting.
E
A
C
They're
here
so
I
guess
the
question
is
for
the
board.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
them
on
the
additional
information.
G
So
the
most
recent
demo
that
we
got
this
week,
it
was
a
further
description
of
the
constraints
of
this
unusual
site,
justifying
the
request
for
a
variance,
but
the
site
has
remained
unchanged
over
all
the
years.
So
I
want
to
know
what's
different
now
than
was
the
case
when
there
was
a
fully
approved
six-story
plan
approved
by
the
planning
board.
P
Yeah
I
thought
so
I
just
was
waiting
for
your
signal,
but
thank
you.
Donna
for
the
question
in
the
the
site
has
not
changed
since
we
began
this
process.
P
Many
months
ago,
the
again,
as
we
stated
in
our
original
submittal
uncover
letter,
you
know
we
had
envisioned
building
a
seven-story
building
for
the
beginning
on
the
property
because
of
the
unusual
site
conditions
and-
and
we
had
a
prior
variance
submittal,
there
was,
you
know,
provided
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
which
we
subsequently
withdrew
and
and
then
with
board
membership
at
the
time
it
had
not,
it
was
not
what
it
is
today.
P
P
Again,
our
strong
preferences
had
always
been
to
at
the
additional
level,
because,
because
of
the
you
know,
the
unique
side
conditions,
so
we
we
made
an
attempt,
Donna
is,
is
my
I
guess
my
my
point
to
to
proceed
in
that
direction,
and
you
know
now
that
we
have
at
least
today
had
been
able
unable
to
proceed.
P
Given
the
hardships
of
you
know,
independent
of
the
side,
but
really
of
the
kind
of
the
construction
costs
conditions
that
we're
facing
in
the
interest
rate
conditions,
we
felt
you
know
we
owed
it
to
ourselves
to
to
come
back
to
what
we
originally
wanted
to
do,
which
was
to
add
seventh
floor.
Although
this
is
a
lesser
ask,
and
it's
only
for
you
know,
half
the
building,
not
the
entirety
of
the
building.
A
B
S
to
either
information
from
the
last
month
or
the
added
material
did
we
ask
for
financials.
L
C
That's
up
to
applicant
to
provide
and
they've
chosen
to
provide
what
they've
submitted.
A
G
I'm
sure
it's
on
the
packet
somewhere,
what
was
the
number
of
parking
spaces
is
the
very,
in
other
words,
the
partial
seventh
story
about
the
varianism
before
the
six
children.
G
Okay,
sorry
What's
the
total
number
of
parking
spaces
and
the
revised
version,
in
other
words,
the
version
you're
asking
to
look
at
now,
look
at
Now
versus
the
approved
version,
in
other
words,
the
sixth
story,
all
over
version.
P
M
Know
I
think,
on
the
one
hand,
and
struggling
between
two
different
things.
One
I
think
like
someone
can
go
through
the
process
of
getting
a
project
approved
and
then
realize
they
messed
up
and
say.
This
is
why
we
took
another
look
at
the
numbers,
our
capital's,
not
very
good,
and
this
isn't
gonna
work.
Okay,
I
buy
that,
on
the
one
hand,
on.
D
A
M
Hand
if
Mike
can
probably
ask
if
there's
a
lot
of
projects
that
are
viable
at
three
percent
interest
rates
that
are
not
viable
like
six
or
seven
percent
interest
rates
and
I
think
that's
probably
Universal.
M
You
know
it's
that
in
and
of
itself
is
not
particularly
unique
to
this
parcel,
but
on
the
one
hand
this
is
a
unique
project
in
the
scale
they
are
being
somewhat
limited
and
what
they're
asking
for
they're,
not
asking
for
seven
stories
across
the
entire
thing
and
there's
some
unique
challenges
to
this
site
that
aren't,
in
others,
but
I
struggle
with
that
three
percent,
six
percent
being
Universal
and
how
that
applies
to
everyone
here.
E
It's
such
a
unique
site
that
I
don't
see
this
as
a
substantial
request.
I
mean
it's
close
enough
to
the
adjacent
Gateway
building.
State
Street
goes
up.
I
do
remember
the
climate.
E
H
E
H
Foreign
that
we
asked
for
finances
and
then
got
given
the
Ida
as
the
billing
like
we
were
pretty
explicit
about
that,
because
I
can
turn
around
and
say
Here's
a
feasible
alternative
cut
off
the
seventh
floor
right
and
then
maybe
it's
not
finding
it
as
financially
feasible,
but
you
could
build
a
building
at
that
point
right.
H
So
I'm
I'm
frustrated
that
that
this
is
how
this
went
and
it
turned
into
a
Reliance
on
the
topography.
I
mean
end
of
the
day.
I'm,
probably
still
look
like
like
it's
it's
10
feet
for
half
of
it.
I
think.
There's
problems
that
we're
looking
outside
of
our
five
factors.
Kind
of
here
that
are
muddying
the
waters,
but
I
think
if
we
end
up
just
looking
at
the
five
factors.
I,
don't
know
that
there's
enough
there
for
me
to
turn
this
down.
M
Again,
I
think
it's
like
you
know
the
the
only
factor
that
I'm
thinking
about
is
the
feasible
alternative.
You
know,
that's
you
know
is
this:
just?
Is
this
project
feasible
for
someone
else,
but
it
based
all
this
parcel
of
land?
For
you
know
someone
else
build
this
if
they
got
it
at
the
right
purchase
price
but
I
do
think
it's
pretty
unique
parcel
and
if
I
think
about
this
project
is
if
they
came
to
the
board
today
and
they
hadn't
got
prior
approval,
I
would
vote.
So
that's
my
it's
my
thinking,
I
no.
M
Goes
through
the
no
one's
ever
provided
us
financials
I.
Just
you
know,
I
like
I
agree
that
it's
frustrating,
because
that's
the
fundamental
argument
that
they're
making-
but
you
know
if
they
came
to
the
board
with
us
today-
I
think
it's
limited
because
it's
only
half
the
building,
you
know
I
think
they
do
have
some
constraints
with
Windows
facing
land,
and
you
know
firing
lactus
and
stuff
like
that
I
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
phrase
this
in
a
way
that
doesn't
talk
about
construction
costs
and
interest
rates,
because
I
think
those
are
universally
applicable.
M
E
Well,
bank
is
not
a
creative
Endeavor,
but
providing
financial
information
can
get
quite
creative.
I
I
was
not
hopeful
that
you
know
the
before,
and
after
picture
was
in
a
light
in
us
all
that
much,
but
it's
got
to
be
a
tough
environment,
but
rates
and
costs
as
they
are
so
but
yeah
I'm.
Looking
at
the
criterias
that
they're
coming
in.
G
And
so
the
question
to
ask
is
what
other
community
developments
are
there?
That
might
compensate
I.
Think
they've
spelled
that
in
the
memo
is
that
it
there
are,
they
are
making
use
of
it.
G
Or
do
you
even
want
to
spot
they're
providing
housing,
although
in
sponsorship
housing
near
from
their
well,
they
say
that
they're
providing
access
to
the
creek
that
the
visual
access
is
going
to
be
completely
obstructed
by
those
of
us,
because
you're
walking
up
from
State
Street
there,
so
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
know
if
the
Community
benefits
justifies
this,
especially
in
order
the
fact
that
they're
already
getting
c-tap
support.
G
On
the
other
hand,
one
could
say
that
the
varianism
like
I,
said
it's
not.
Maybe
it's
not
really
that
big,
considering
a
site
of
great
and
I.
A
G
Visually
compared
to
building
that
store
well,
I
was
reminded
today
that
this
communal
number
of
repeat
that
we're
talking
about
doesn't
include
the
Mechanicals
or
elevator.
Is
that
right?
G
So
in
any
case,
I
I
remain
on
the
border
between
thinking
and
there's
sufficient
benefit
to
the
community.
According
to
request.
B
I
can
ask
Megan
about
the
how
the
heights
determine
what
Jeff
in
terms
of
board
members
thinking
about
Community
benefit.
Can
you
just
remind
us
about
parking
and,
if
they're
taking
the
public,
if
it's
the
public
gets
the
to
pay
for
the
parking
and
I
remember
when
I
went
through
the
planning
phase,
there's
certain
hours
of
operation?
So
can
you
speak
for
that.
P
Yeah
well,
when
I
answered
Donna's
question
about
the
affordable
component,
the
you
know
as
part
of
our
idea:
tax
abatement.
We
have
an
obligation
to
pay
five
thousand
dollars
per
unit
towards
the
affordable
housing
Fund
in
Tompkins,
County
and
Ithaca.
So
you
know
that's
a
pretty
substantial
number
over.
You
know
300
plus
units
that
will
go
towards
affordable
housing,
not
necessarily
on
this
project,
but
in
the
community
at
large,
the
and
then
to
answer
your
question.
P
David
yeah,
the
parking
is,
there
was
a
change
in
use
that
you
may
be
aware
of.
Gateway
Center
is
largely
vacant
without
office.
Tenants
at
the
moment
and
the
plans
and
and
I
don't
know
that
for
certain
it
hasn't
started.
Construction
is
to
convert
a
large
portion
of
Gateway
Center
into
residential,
and
so
that
changed-
and
we
discussed
this
with
planning
board
the
potential
to
provide.
You
know
a
the
original
proposed
off
hours
parking
to
the
public
because
the
off
hours
user
was,
you
know
not
the.
P
P
The
other
benefits,
though
I,
do
want
to
just
take
a
another
minute
here.
To
talk
about
the
you
know
the
trail
access
which
again
we're
extending
the
trail
further
to
the
east
than
it
exists.
Currently,
where
you
know
Landscaping
hardscaping
the
area
and
providing
you
know,
a
series
of
you
know:
public
kind
of
facilities
along
the
trail,
which,
in
our
mind
is
you
know,
is
a
great
nod
to
the
trail
and
and
it's
continued
use
by
you
know
all
of
you
know
the
area
and
the
public,
the
the
other.
P
Is
you
know
it's
a
site.
That's
on
you
underutilized!
It's
a
surface
parking
lot
to
be.
You
know.
2.65
Acres,
as
a
surface
slot
in
downtown
Ithaca
is,
is
really
not
optimizing.
Its
use,
and
you
know
what
we
think
does
optimize.
It
is
this
project
in
in
providing
again
as
a
public
benefit
additional
rental
housing
in
downtown
Ithaca,
which
is
in
strong
demand
in
under
Supply.
P
Currently,
the
other
is
you
know
over
time.
The
the
tax
base
that
this
will
create
is
a
pretty
tremendous
public
benefit
to
you
know
County
and
city
in
property
tax,
and
so
you
know,
those
you
know
should
not
be
ignored
in
this,
and
then
you
mentioned
State
Street
and
the
access
to
the
the
Six
Mile
Creek,
and
we
worked
with
Lisa
and
the
planning
board
at
length
in
making
that
possible.
P
We
worked
with
them
to
create,
you
know
a
solution
to
get
from
State
Street
down
to
the
creek
walk
without
having
to
go
all
the
way
down
to
Green
Street
or
through
a
drive
aisle
and
so
in.
In
our
opinion,
you
know
we,
we
did.
You
know
of
service
to
the
public
to
get
to
the
creek,
walk
from
State
Street
and
enhance
its
usability
from
that
perspective.
P
B
Foreign,
thank
you
so
I
guess
to
those
points
board.
Members
would
really
could
incorporate
somebody
with
balance
lines
there
into
their
understanding
of
what
community
benefit
is
for
there's.
First,
you
know
what
are
the
detriments
to
the
to
the
neighborhood
should
risk
forward
so.
L
P
We
did
Mike
yeah,
we
have
to
comply
with
the
the
12
point.
Requirements
of
the
of
the
energy
code
and
I
mean
I
can
elaborate
on
some
of
those
if
you
like,
but
you
know
it
it
made
the
building.
P
You
know
a
fairly
efficient
building,
not
that
it
wasn't
already,
but
in
order
to
comply
with
the
you
know
that
level
of
abatement
you
know
we
had
to
do
certain
things
to
you
know
to
make
the
building
you
know
as
as
efficient
is
it
you
know,
is
it
could
be
under
that
program?
I.
L
The
increased
energy
efficiency
of
the
building.
B
B
So
now
now
we
have
five,
but
in
the
meantime
they
went
through
the
motion
and
at
the
time
they
told
us
that
under
no
circumstances
could
they
produce
a
product
and
bring
their
product
to
fruition
until
unless
they
had
the
variance
then,
and
then
then
they
were
able
to
bring
it
back
to
the
planning
board
and
do
something
adhere
to
their
property
rights,
which
I
was
very
supportive
of
I
would
just
encourage
board
members.
If
you
go
down
this
route,
really
focus
on
the
specifics
of
the
site.
B
I
I
think
that
a
lot
of
times
absent
zoning
reform.
In
certain
cases,
this
board
serves
as
sort
of
a
Perpetual
Band-Aid,
whereas
this
is
fairly
recent
zoning
and
it's
also
really
favorable
designing
that
cbd60
and
I
just
feel
as
though
a
lot
of
our
hardships
as
they
navigated.
The
entire
process
were
self-inflicted
in
more
ways
than
one
so
I
would.
If
you
go
down
that
path,
I
would
strongly
encourage.
B
You
focus
online,
your
interpretation
of
a
specific
topography
or
layout,
whatever
you
want
to
reference,
but
I
think
to
go
down
this
road
I
think
we're
we're
delving
into
policy
and
that's
a
legislative
Endeavor.
It
really
shouldn't
be
what
we
do
and
at
times
a
rejection
of
a
variance
request
should
help
inform
the
need
either
for
legislative
or
form
or
for
introspection.
But
as
it
stands,
viable
Alternatives.
B
Heard
you
I
think
to
to
say:
oh
well,
it's
six
percent,
your
your
project
doesn't
work,
but
at
three
percent,
when
you
executed
your
purchase
contract
for
12
million
dollars
for
raw
land
and
a
non-arms
lake
transaction
that
that's
our
that's
our
job,
I
think
that
the
ilpc
is
weighed
in
and
they
they're
not
enthused
about
the
the
added
height
I'd.
Take
that
with
a
grain
of
salt.
You
know.
One
of
the
important
memories
is
an
interesting
party
in
that
comment.
B
So
I
I,
don't
know
there
so
I
I
think
in
terms
of
adverse
impacts
on
the
neighborhood.
You
could
reference
that
or
you
could
leave
it
out
if
you're
going
for
a
favorable
motion,
I
think
that
the
ask
is
still
substantial,
even
with
the
cut
down
request
and
that's
based
on
overall
volume,
just
because
it's
such
a
massive
site
amortized
over
that
10
feet.
It's
still
a
large
request.
B
I
also
think
that
board
members
could
easily
say
that
it's
not
a
large
request.
Should
you
pursue
a
you
know,
a
motion
in
favor,
so
I
would
just
go
through
those
I'll
still
be
voting
no
and
I
I.
Don't
think
they
need
the
criteria,
and
it
says
nothing
about
my
beliefs
that
I
want
to
see
as
many
downtown
residents
as
possible.
B
B
It's
those
those
ends
but
I
also
see
and
I,
think
other
board
members
see
how
they,
how
you
can
get
to
that
end,
and
so
I
just
ask
that
you
would
really
spell
it
out
in
a
way
that
doesn't
from
the
gate
in
ways
we
don't
want
to
that
happen.
E
E
B
B
That's
the
problem:
either.
That's
a
problem
with
the
zoning
at
hand
or
that
that's
a
proclivity
of
any
developer.
E
B
In
terms
of
self-created
hardship,
yes
or
they
could,
of
course
it's
not
this
board's
job
to
determine
what
an
appropriate
purchase
price
of
would.
Land
is
right.
So
if,
if
you're
underwriting
a
deal
and
you're
valuing
the
land
at
a
certain
deal
when
at
a
certain
price,
but
the
valuation
is
determined
on
getting
that
variance,
that's
not
a
given
right.
B
So
we
weren't
there
when,
when
these
decisions
were
being
made-
and
it's
not
us
determining
what
a
reasonable
return
on
their
investment
is
or
their
internal
returns.
So
it's
self-created
in
the
sense
that
they've
pursued
something
outside
of
their
rights
beyond
their
their
envelope
of
property
rights,
and
it
wasn't
us
that
that
sort
of
navigated
the
process
or
ran
into
delays
and
it's
self-created
in
the
sense
that
they're
still
asking
for
something
that
they're
not
entitled
to
by
right.
B
H
B
That
becomes
a
policy
decision
which
could
either
be
again.
It's
not.
We
can't
disseminate
policy
based
on
how
well
this
this
developer
is
doing
a
good
deed,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
interject
here
and
say:
well,
we
really
want
those
300
units,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
making
a
five
percent
return
instead
of
before
that,
it's
just
not
the.
G
G
A
M
G
B
That
was
an
inherent
risk.
I
mean
development
work,
and
this
is
a
problem
in
the
community
is
as
a
whole
is
we
have
to
do
a
better
job
of
really
elaborating
on
on
the
challenges
of
providing
housing,
right,
rehabilitating
housing,
procuring
housing
or
procuring
land
and
constructing
it,
and
what
you're
seeing
on
folders
is
the
inherent
risks
of
right
and
interest
rate
risk
is
just
an
inherent
risk
of
the
line
of
work
they're
in,
but
so
too
is
buying
a
piece
of
property
that
you're
gambling
on
getting
seven
floors
in
your
only
entitled
to
six.
M
You
know
I'd
be
super
pissed
if
I
came
in
front
of
this
board
and
there
were
three
people
I
know
in
the
past.
This
board
has
not
even
had
40
people
to
bring
to
a
vote.
You
know
to
me
to
some
extent
that
goes
to
the
viability
of
getting
the
variance
so
I'm
I'm
still
up
in
the
air
in
this
I
think.
M
M
M
Like
if
they
came
to
this
QR
board,
you
know
six
months
ago
and
they
had
five
members
who
were
sitting
here
and
you're
thinking
about
this
project.
You
know
I,
think
they've
got
us
harder,
topography
situation
than
other
sites
and
you
know
I
would
be
inclined
to
support
it,
but
you
know
they.
It
is
stamped.
They
went
through
the
Ida,
it
was
viable
a
year
ago.
It's
not
viable
today,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
community
benefits
to
this.
All
that
stuff
I
think
it's
super
easy
I
think
it's
just
is
a
viable
alternative.
M
H
I
do
want
to
throw
out,
like
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
harm
done
in
the
increase
in
the
interest
rates,
and
why
we're
here,
but
just
like
interest
rates,
go
up
like
on
everybody
knows
it.
They
come
back
down
so
right
now.
They
need
this
to
benefit
that
this
is
the
benefit.
They're
gaining
in
three
years
could
be
much
shorter
than
that
it
could
be
longer
than
that.
But
when
those
interest
rates
come
back
down,
they
can
refinance.
B
But
it's
sort
of
It
kind
of
reminds
me
of
the
the
first
appeal
here
very
certain
things
that
we're
emphasizing
the
talk
about
interest
rates,
and
that's
just
not
our
that's,
not
our
work.
You
should
drop
this
and
then
the
other
thing
I
guess
I
would
I
would
ask
yourselves.
This
is
if
you're
going
back
to
make
yourself
a
topography,
artist
adjusted
by
the
request.
B
So
if
you've
heard
testimony
from
the
appellant
saying
that
they
needed
parking
for
their
own
underwriting
to
gain
financing,
and
in
doing
so
not
only
did
they
just
validate
part
of
the
contingency
with
the
seller
that
they
would
provide
in
perpetuity
parking
to
the
seller
that
they
can
provide
their
own
tenants,
an
amenity
that
then
validates
the
asking
price
of
units
they've
also
been
able
to
lift
their
building
off
the
ground,
to
get
it
above
that
topography
that
they're
listing
as
a
as
a
hardship.
B
So
it
you
know,
ask
yourself:
how
is
it
that
they
haven't
already
addressed
their
typography
concerns?
Ultimately,
it
is
a
flat
open
over
two
acre
parcel
the
topography
that
they're
referencing
is
at
the
street.
So
ask
yourself:
how
is
it
you
know
the
added
10
feet?
You
know,
that's,
that's!
That's
a
that's!
A
monetary
metric,
it's
not
to
get
above.
B
G
But,
oh
so,
we've
been
talking
about
this
10
feet,
but
what
what's
the
actual
height
difference?
If
you
add
that
you
accelerator
of
the
Mechanicals.
C
C
E
Gateway
Commons
building,
not
the
Gateway
Apartments
adjacent
Gateway
Comics
building,
is
it
12
or
15
feet
higher
I?
Think
and
then,
when
you
take
that
roof
line,
it
will
go
over
the
entire
project.
It
goes
about
a
halfway
down.
E
Which
is
the
Gateway
common
side
and
rises
above
stage
three,
but
I
can
completely
understand
what
you're
saying
we
worry
about.
I,
don't
want
to
have
account
rates
in
two
years,
a
conversation
on
rents
and.
E
E
B
I
guess
real,
quick
and
then
I
think
they're
headed
for
a
motion,
but
Megan
can
you
just
for
the
cbd60
for
this?
Can
you
just
tell
board
members
when
that's
when
they
look
back
and
then
the
heights,
if
you
have
them
all
paying
the
height
of
the
Gateway
buildings
next
to
it,.
A
C
It
is
non-conforming
in
terms
of
height
as
our
both
buildings
on
that
site.
That
kind
of
form
an
L
with
the
entry
to
the
back
to
the
parking
are
both
non-conforming
in
terms
of
height
I,
don't
know
when
the
off
the
top
of
my
head,
when
the
change
to
the
zoning
there
was
I
do
know
that
you
know
the
CBD
50
and
cbd60.
The
height
allowed
is
actually
52
and
62.
C
That
was
changed
in
the
past
five
years
or
so
to
allow
a
little
bit
more
room
for
Mechanicals
in
between
the
floors
and
and
slightly
higher
forward
bar
Heights,
but
I.
Don't
I
would
need
some
time
to
look
and
see
when
it
was
zoned
to
the
cbd60.
C
H
G
B
L
E
Know
that
Gateway
Commons
building
is
is
not
important,
and
but
when
I
look
at
that
that
level
building
line
I
just
don't
see
a
dramatic
variance.
It's
already
there
with
the
neighborhood.
We
had
further
downtown.
We've
got
taller
buildings
and
I
understand
what
our
zoning.
B
E
L
H
Everything
might
have
to
say
there
I'm
looking
at
it
from
the
roadside.
The
renderings
I
thought
colored
my
picture
of
this
a
lot,
but
then
I'm
also
looking
at
I'm,
not
going
to
say
similarly
sided
buildings,
because
they've
made
a
perfectly
Salient
point
about
the
volume
of
it.
Although
again,
you've
not
done
that
and
the
other
ones
where
we've
done
pipe
variances
before
and
I'm
thinking
about
those
other
hyperiances.
B
A
B
B
Thickness
of
the
stroke
I'm
going
to
right,
where
you're
saying
how
many
other
buildings
downtown
in
the
cbd60
are
of
this
length,
I
mean
the
building
itself
is
almost
the
length
of
an
aircraft
carrier,
a
couple
hundreds,
that's
Ronald,
Reagan
yeah,
so
I'm,
not
gonna,
call
it
I,
guess
I'll
open
it
up,
I
mean
if
it
were
me,
I'd
be
making
a
motion
to
deny,
but
does
anything
here
feel
comfortable
making
a
motion
to
keep
your
hand,
and
then
we
vote
on
that
and
it's
actually
passed.
Let's
collaborate
here
too.
E
M
M
E
L
E
I
appreciate
it
would
have
suggestions
as
they
go
along
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
improved
the
yes.
A
E
E
I
would
know
you're
producing
an
undesirable
change
in
the
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
on
the
edge
of
the
downtown
River.
E
A
A
E
What
do
the
requested
variance
is
substantial?
I,
don't
believe
it's
substantial
for
the
previous
reasons
I
gave,
which
are
that
the
additional
10
feet
it's.
E
Skyline
and
level
to
the
Gateway
Commons
building
to
the
West
and
due
to
the
sloping
grade
of
the
State
Street,
not
towering
over
the
Residential
Properties
to
the
east.
E
The
building
certainly
has
an
impact.
The
variance
from
what's
already
approved,
I,
don't
think
as
they
an
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
or
environment
conditions.
A
E
And
I
think
there's
no
way
around
that
at
the
end,
I
would
say
the
mitigation.
This
question
is,
the
variance
is
not
substantial
for
which
group,
who
variance-
and
it's
not
substantial
when
you
take
into
consideration.
M
M
G
A
C
C
Sorry,
I
can't
hurt
David
I,
think
I
know
how
he
voted,
but
I'm
not
yeah.
Okay,
all
right,
so
the
variance
has
been
granted
four
to
one
I'll,
be
writing
up
the
decision
and
sending
it
to
the
Building
Division
and
the
planning
board.
So
you
can
continue
on
with
your
any
changes
that
need
to
happen
there
with
site
plan
I'm,
not
sure
where
that
stands.
E
B
Megan,
where
does
that
bring
us
to?
We
have
Administration
meetings,
yep.
C
E
C
C
All
right
great,
so
all
in
favor
you
can
just
do
a
show
of
hands
all
right.
Great!
Thank
you,
okay.
So
our
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
Tuesday
January
3rd.
It's
you
know
pretty
pretty
early
in
the
months
on
right
after
the
holidays,
so
I
just
want
to
check
in
is
there
anyone
who
is
unable
to
attend
on
January
3rd.
A
C
So
our
agenda,
right
now
we
are
looking
at
the
at
T
small
cell
batch
application
will
be
returning.
C
C
We
have
a
new
variance
for
a
single
family
home
and
then
108
to
110
College
Avenue
that
has
presented
to
us
over
the
summer,
we'll
be
coming
back
for
final
consideration
of
their
requested.
Variances.
C
So
they've
advised
me
Joe
that
you
need
to
re
recuse
yourself
from
that
one.
Unfortunately,
we
do
not
have
any
alternates
available
at
the
January
meeting,
but
there
are
four
members.
It
sounds
like
that'll,
be
there
to
vote
so
I
think
we
can
continue
on
and
if
they
I
need
more
time
to
consider
something.
We
can
talk
about
that.
Then.
E
I
C
They
have
substantially
revised
their
proposal
because
the
planning
board
did
not
care
for
what
they
they
proposed.
So
I
I
think
the
only
two
signs
that
require
variances
are
the
ones
that
the
channel
letters
that
the
board
was
originally
supportive
of.
So
but
yes,
that
giant
that
giant
sign
is,
is
no
more
part
of
The
Proposal.