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B
B
If
the
board's
comprising
five
members
nominated
by
the
American
Football
County
Council
board
members
present
tonight
are
Taylor
Swift,
Kirby,
Donald
Fleming
under
Gardner,
as
well
as
with
the
Megan
Wilson
Staff
of
the
board,
I'm
David
Markham,
chair
version
of
the
board,
the
secretary
of
the
board
named
Wilsonville
College
case,
and
the
order
listed
on
the
agenda.
Helens
Revenge
has
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
to
present
new
material
or
highly
aspects
of
their
appeal
board
members.
My
question
of
balance
on
many
areas
requiring
clarification.
B
Full
consideration
of
the
bills
requires
a
public
hearing
deliberation
and
then
voting
by
the
board.
These
actions
occur
only
after
the
accountants
filed
appropriate
documents
with
the
zoning
Division
and
planning
the
development
board.
Public
hearings
include
testimony
from
interested
parties.
The
booking
centers
interested
parties,
persons
who
wouldn't
work
their
own
property
within
750
computer
properties,
were
authorized
representatives
of
recognized
adjacent
neighborhood,
Civic
groups
or
who
are
elected.
City
officials
board
members
from
the
question
testifying
interested
parties
on
any
areas
requiring
qualification
persons
who
do
not
make
the
boards
and
terrorists
apart.
B
A
definition
will
not
be
heard.
Comments
are
limited
to
three
minutes.
The
balance
will
then
be
allowed
to
report
closing
testimony,
but
balanced
comments
must
be
limited
to
a
strict
rebuttal
of
the
issues
raised
by
those
opposing
would
be
one
of
the
five
minutes
and
timer
will
send
one
at
the
end
of
each
speaker.
There's
a
lot
of
time.
B
Now
we
do
not
adhere
to
scriptural.
The
evidence
would
be
considered
a
supply
that
we
did
for
proceeding
and
we
base
our
decisions.
On
the
official
record,
the
official
record
consists
of
application
materials
filed
with
the
zoning
division
correspondence
relating
to
cases
received
by
the
zoning
division,
Planning
and
Development
reports
only
findings
and
recommendations.
If
any
in
the
record
of
tonight's
meeting,
an
audio
recording
is
being
made
of
this
meeting.
B
Therefore,
it
is
sent
by
anyone
wanting
to
be
heard,
speaks
clearly,
so
their
comments
are
recorded
and
heard
by
everyone
extraneous
comics
May,
either
be
recorded
nor
considered
by
the
board.
We
ask
everyone
to
limit
their
comments
to
the
zoning
issues
of
each
appeal
and
not
commonly
matters.
Beyond
aborted
jurisdiction
following
the
appellant
should
probably
appeal
hearing
will
be
closed
and
affordable
to
give
alliteration.
The
board
is
required
to
render
a
decision
with
62
days
of
the
public
parents
closure
once
the
hearing
is
closed.
B
C
From
section
3
25
29,
8
b1h,
citing
standards
for
personal
wireless
service
facilities
in
section
325,
29
8c1
design,
standards
for
personal
wireless
service
facilities
of
the
city
of
Ithaca
zoning
ordinance
to
allow
the
modification
of
an
existing
personal
wireless
service
facility.
That's
located
within
250
feet
from
a
residential
structure
and
less
than
1500
feet
from
another
PWS
app.
C
D
D
E
I'm
just
here
for
Verizon,
but
if
I
need
to
speak
to
ATT
I
can
okay.
B
Yeah,
that's
really
up
to
the
balance.
I
mean
if
you
want
to
combine
them.
You're
welcome
to
the
same
property,
but
it's
two
separate
appeal
numbers
so
I
leave
it
to.
E
You,
okay,
well,
I'll,
speak
to
Verizon.
Maybe
Kim
can
we'll
jump
on,
but
ultimately
almost
Center
Line
This
is
for
American
Tower
and
Verizon
Wireless.
They
want
to
upgrade
their.
E
And
we
filed
our
building
permit
and
got
kicked
into
zoning,
so
we
are
here
to
ultimately.
F
E
Down
to
add
three
antenna
currently
they're
12.,
and
they
want
to
add
three
to
make
it
15.
the
amount
that
the
antennas
sit
on
in
the
air
can't
support
the.
E
Is
a
little
bit
of
Mount
modification,
which
is
just
basically
adding
a
couple
more
pipes,
each
sector
to
make
it
up
to
par,
so
there's
nothing
on
the
ground
outside
of
the
existing
equipment.
Shelter!
That's
going
on!
So
it's
really
just
work
in
the
air.
H
E
Yeah
on
my
screen,
it's
showing
you
guys
still
still
is
muted,
but
I
can
hear
it.
I
can
I'll
vaguely
make
it
out
of
you.
If
you
wanna.
B
No,
neither
do
I
can
I,
please
open
the.
C
This
proposal
was
not
subject
to
review
by
Tompkins
County
and
it's
a
type
2
action
for
environmental
review.
So
no,
it's
not
subject
to
Seeker.
The
planning
and
development
board
had
no
comments
on
this
particular
View.
C
B
With
that
I'll
close,
the
public
hearing
and
I
think
we
can
just
jump
right
into
deliberation.
So
any
comments
or
concerns
we've
seen
similar
types
of
modifications
to
existing
equipment.
H
I
B
Okay
same
does
anybody
feel
comfortable
making
a
motion
on
this
come
on.
I
So
I
will
move
to
approve
appeal
number
three,
two
three
seven
for
applicant
Verizon
Wireless
for
the
factors
considered
or
I'm
sure
do
I
get
the
second
an
hour.
Do
I
wait
for
the
second
one,
whether
an
undesirable
change
would
be
produced
in
the
character
of
the
of
the
neighborhood
or
a
detriment
to
nearby
properties.
No
closed
installation
is
a
modification
of
an
existing
personal
wireless
service
facility
that
had
been
located
on
a
telecommunications
tower
that
was
built
in
1980.
The
new
installation
will
replace
existing
equipment
and
add
similar
equipment.
I
I
No,
the
locations
of
personal
wireless
service
facilities
are
determined
by
service
coverage
requirements.
While
there
is
a
limited
radius
where
the
pwsf
can
be
located,
it
is
preferred,
as
stated
in
the
zoning
ordinance
to
load
to
co-locate
equipment
on
existing
sites
whenever
possible
to
limit
any
visual
impact.
Furthermore,
any
alternate
location
within
the
limited
radius
of
this
property
will
also
be
deficient
and
the
resident
setback
requirement
the
zoning
ordinance
whether
the
requested
variance
is
substantial.
I
No,
the
proposed
installation
will
be
located
190
feet
from
the
nearest
residential
structure
and
a
residential
setback
required
by
zoning
ordinance.
While
this
is
a
deficiency
of
34
of
the
required
setback,
this
is
the
condition
that's
been
caused
by
the
location
of
the
existing
PW
site,
on
which
the
new
antenna
array
will
be
co-located
and
will
not
be
exacerbated
by
The
Proposal,
or
would
the
variance
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
or
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood?
No,
the
new
pwsf
equipment
will
be
part
of
an
existing
installation
on
the
property.
I
There
is
no
evidence
to
indicate
that
this
modification
will
have
an
adverse
impact
on
any
physical
or
environmental
conditions.
What
are
the
alleged
difficulty
with
treated?
No,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
install
the
new
equipment
at
an
existing
pwxi
location
to
mitigate
visual
clutter,
as
requested
by
the
city.
Both
setback
deficiencies
are
existing
deficiencies
that
predates
the
city's
adoption
of
the
setback
requirements.
C
H
A
C
Fleming,
yes,
Mr
Verkin,
yes,
all
right
Brian,
so
the
variance
has
been
approved.
I
will
write
up
the
final
copy
of
this
and
get
it
to
you
as
well
as
the
code
inspector
within
the
week,
so
that
you
can
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
the
work
when
the
issuance
of
the
building
permit.
So
that
should
be
to
in
your
inbox
within
the
next
day
or
two.
So.
E
C
E
F
E
So
but
I
I
can't
complain
because
it
keeps
me
employed,
but
you
know,
technology
is
changing
and
they're
always
touching
these
towers,
so
fortunately
or
unfortunately,
but
that's
just
the
nature
of
it
anyway.
Yeah
I
will
I'd
like
to
get
a
similar
input
from
you
guys
regarding
18
T.
B
Okay,
so
so
do
you
feel
comfortable
in
this?
You
know
essentially
represented
into
that
effect,
as
we
navigate
appeal
number
three,
two,
four,
nine
on
behalf
of
ATT
or
I.
E
E
Adding
a
generator
they
have
an
existing
shelter
and
it's
it's
basically
modifying.
A
B
Okay,
are
there
any
questions
from
board
members
for
the
18
teams,
which
is
an
appeal
number
is
3249?
Yes,
doctor.
G
Yeah,
so
is
this:
just
this
is
one
Tower
with
some
equipment
from
Verizon
and
some
equipment
from
ATT
on
the
same
Tower?
Is
that
right
so.
C
It's
it's
probably
I,
think
the
only
actual
tower
that
we
have
in
the
city-
and
there
is
so
there's
multiple
carriers
on
a
tower
of
which
Verizon
and
at
T
are
too
I,
know
there's
at
least
T-Mobile
and
possibly
one
other
there
as
well.
So
we
would
co-locate
on
the
tower,
but
each
have
their
own
equipment
and
they
lease
it
from
the
owner
of
the
tower
at
least
the
right
to
have
their
equipment.
There.
B
C
E
Structurally,
there
are
a
lot
of
times
when
you're
building
a
tower
that
they
want
to
be
able
to
hold
the
maximum
five
or
six
characters.
This
is
a
guide
Tower,
so
I
can
hold
a
couple
more.
E
But
yes,
we
all
do
structural
reports,
the
the
engineer,
signs
and
seals
a
structural
report
for
each
of
us
and
a
American
Tower
actually
keeps
does
them
in-house,
so
they
can
keep
track
of
who's
doing
what
on
their
Tower.
So
to
keep
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
It
could
get
messy
with.
You
know
touching
the
tower
once
a
year,
but
they
have
all
the
the
specs
and
everything
for
the
antenna.
So
it's
it's
very
detailed.
B
C
So
similarly,
we
haven't
received
any
written
comments
or
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
in
either
an
opposition
or
support?
This
also
is
a
type
2
action
and
not
subject
to
environmental
review.
The
planning
involvement
board
did
not
have
any
comments
on
this
appeal.
B
D
C
Say
since
this
you
will
find
that,
given
that
they
were
similar
projects
for
different
carriers
at
the
same
location,
you
might
find
the
text
to
be
extremely
similar.
So
you
might
not
have
to
read
it
all
verbatim
out
loud,
but
you
can
just
note
that
you
consider
those
factors
and
if
anyone
has
amendments
to
that
text
feel
free,
but
you
don't
have
to
read
it
all
again.
B
I
Wheel
number
three:
two
four
nine
I'd
like
to
you
know
use
the
language
as
written
similar
to
the
appeal
number
3237.
There's
no,
under
your
variable
change
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
there's
no
feasible
alternative,
they
request
is
substantial,
but
it's
you
know
it
doesn't
exacerbate
an
existing
deficiency.
There's
no
environmental
impacts,
and
you
know
the
difficulty
is
not
self-created
energy.
C
All
right
so
Brian
that
the
att's
variance
has
been
approved
as
well.
I'll
relate
this
to
Kim
by
email,
but
we'll
send
it
to
the
code
inspector
and
they're
happy
to
hear.
E
Yeah
I
think
she
just
jumped
on
too
but
she's
just
listening
and
maybe
in
participant
though,
but
all
good
I
will
relay
the
message.
D
C
But
the
good
news
is,
the
variance
has
been
approved
and
copy
to
you,
as
well
as
the
code
inspector
within
the
next
day
or
so,
and
then
you'll
be
able
to
move
forward
with
the
building
permit
and
all
the
other
work
that
you
need
to
do
great.
B
But
in
terms
of
the
gender
review
we
were
hoping
yeah.
B
We
were
open
to
talk
about
some
possible
staff
level,
changes
that
could
alleviate
some
variance
pressures
and
that
would
be
just
a
conversation
at
the
end
of
this
meeting
after
our
last
appeal
and
as
far
as
three
two
four
eight
appeal
number,
the
109
111
Valentine
Place
Owens.
C
We're
running
a
little
bit
ahead
of
schedule,
so
maybe
we
can
just
until
give
them
a
little
time
to
get
here.
We
could
talk
about
the
legislative
proposal.
I
wanted
to
get
the
awards
feedback,
so
so
many
of
our
passing
judicial
boards
have
what
is
essentially
a
limited
review
or
a
staff
level
review
process
both
ilpc.
The
landmarks
commission
does
and
planning
board,
there's
certain
criteria
that
a
project
would
have
to
meet
and
if
it
meets
that
it
can
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
staff.
C
Again,
it's
very
specific
about
what
can
and
cannot
so
we're
I'm
just
going
to
give
an
example
for
the
landmarks
commission,
the
the
historic
preservation
planner
can
review
and
approve
certain
types
of
roofing
certain
colors,
but
if
it
goes
something
above
and
beyond
that,
it
has
to
go
to
the
full
court.
C
C
The
we'll
call
I'm
going
to
focus
Solon
area,
because
that's
where
we're
going
to
stick
right
now
is
area
variances.
Anything
that
does
not
meet
the
area.
Requirements
of
the
zoning
District
must
get
a
variance.
There's
certain
situations
where
something
an
existing
deficiency
might
not
trigger
the
need,
but
a
lot
of
things
do
and
there's
no
staff
overview
under
New
York
state
law.
The
bza
is
the
only
body
that
can
actually
Grant
a
variance,
so
staff
can't
Grant
variances,
but
the
city
can
change
what
requires
a
variance.
C
So,
for
example,
you
might
say
that
any
new
construction
that
doesn't
meet
the
requirements
will
require
ovariance,
but
an
existing
deficiency
for
lock
Frontage
couldn't
get
up
from
it.
The
zoning
permit
or
something
instead.
So
it's
not
changing.
Who
would
Grant
the
variance
it
would
be
changing.
What
required
is
required
to
get
a
variance
and
again
anything
that
could
be
controversial
or
is
unclear
or
could
be
always
brought
up
to
the
full
board?
C
So
if
we
know
that
something
isn't
it
isn't
quite
black
and
white
or
it's
controversial
in
the
neighborhood,
we
can
bring
it
to
the
full
board
for
review
at
that
time.
So
we
do
kind
of
we
have
been
working
with
a
land
use,
Law
Firm
out
of
Buffalo
to
help
us
work
on
this
and
they've
kind
of
drafted
based
on
some
staff
feedback.
Some
ideas,
but
before
I
got
your
feedback
on
the
actual
proposal.
I
was
which
I
will
send
out
by
emails.
C
One
thing
I
wanted
to
know
was:
what
are
some
things
that
come
to
the
board's
mind
immediately
that
you
then
you
can
have
time
too,
but
your
immediate
reactions
about
what
comes
to
the
board
that
you
feel
maybe
could
be
reviewed
by
staff
so
that
it
doesn't
take
it
doesn't.
The
applicant
doesn't
have
to
go
through
the
full
process,
but
also
it
doesn't
take
the
first
time
at
a
meeting.
C
B
C
D
C
H
Don't
know
about
those,
because
if
we
say
when
does
it
go
from
a
judgment
called
to
a
non-direct
yeah
because
it
like
like
yeah,
that
guy
should
not
have
had
to
come
in
here,
but
I
think
that's
more
of
a
process
and
procedure
problem
I,
don't
know
that
we
can
just
rubber
stamp
that
because
then,
at
what
point?
Isn't
too
big.
C
You
could
say
at
less
than
10
increase
in
building
footprint
or
I
mean
I'm
just
throwing
ten
percent
yeah
like
we
can
look
at
a
couple
of
them
and
see
what
they
actually
were.
We've
had
I
think
two
or
three
in
the
Bell
Sherman
Bryant
Park
area
yeah,
and
that
one
on
South,
Hill
and
I
could
look
at
the
square
footages
and
see
what
those
percentages
were,
because
I
think
they
were
all
pretty
agreeable
to
the
Lord.
Okay.
G
Deficiency
and
it
would
be
some
percentage
of
the
setback
or
area
department
or
something
water
occupied.
B
You
could
do
non-habitable
structures
that
contoured
a
lot
coverage,
so
you
could
put
like
trash
receptacles
or
same
thing
as
shiraj,
something
like
that.
Okay,.
I
I
It's
a
little
tricky
because
I
like
also
think
that
the
breeze
could
have
been
construed
as
like
a
response
to
a
fire
lane
so
like,
but
I
think
that
there's
like
fire
code
and
Ada
accessibility,
that
if
a
staff
member
believes
that
it's
for
fire
code
or
Ada
purposes
they
should
have,
they
should
not
have
to
go
through
this
recess.
B
D
C
Thing
about
parking
that,
as
a
staff
person
I
would
like
to
see,
is
if
you
currently
don't
meet
the
parking
requirement,
it
pretty
much
triggers
a
variance
for
everything.
I
can
understand
if
it
was
increasing,
occupancy
or
exacerbating
that
in
some
way,
but
for
example,
we
had
a
apartment
building
on
Blair
Street
that
was
deficient
in
parking.
So
to
increase
the
envelope
of
the
building.
We
wanted
to
add
a
dormer
to
have
one
an
extra
window
in
a
bedroom.
They
had
to
get
a
variance
for
off
street
parking.
A
C
So
in
the
future
they
already
have
that
variance
where,
when
there
could
potentially
be
a
parking
related
issue
and
there
they
didn't
increase
occupancy,
they
literally
just
wanted
to
provide
a
window,
so
they
added
a
dormer,
so
I
I
feel
like
the
requirement
that-
and
this
isn't
really
a
change
of
what
would
go
to
staff.
This
is
a
wording.
Change
of
I
think
a
requirement
that
automatically
makes,
if
you
don't
meet
the
law
area
or
flat
minimum
y
area
lot,
Frontage
or
off
street
parking.
C
Everything
has
to
go
to
the
board
and,
if
they're
not
related
to
that,
like
if
you're,
not
increasing
the
focal
point
of
its
existing
deficiency,
I'm,
not
sure
that
it
needs,
maybe
in
some
cases
might
not
even
need
a
permit.
It
should
just
be
that's.
One.
I
personally
would
like
to
look
at
more.
H
B
I
C
I
Yeah
like
if
you,
if
you're,
adding
because
like
every
single
family
home
in
town,
is
basically
non-conforming.
So
if
they
wanted
to
build
a
deck
and
it
was
going
to
be
I-
think
within
five
percent
of
the
current
structures
like
size
on
the
lot
I
think
that's
totally
fine
I
think
yeah.
It's
just
like
we
build
such
higher
tolerances
now
and
like
we're.
We're
never
I
can't
imagine
area
in
which
someone
came
in
and
says
I'm
going
to
expand.
My
deck
by.
I
You
know
30
square
feet
and
we
say
that's
going
to
be
a
detriment
to
the
neighborhood
I.
Just
I
think
five
percent
play
around
I,
don't
know
what
we
deal
with
that
in
terms
of
like
side,
yard,
setbacks
and
stuff
like
that,
right
and
in
front
yard
I'd
be
curious
to
see,
especially
at
the
front
yard,
but
I
know
we
shut
down
a
few
front
yards
yeah.
H
C
Like
there'd
be
options,
can
I
read
these
three
that
they
suggested
to
you
so
exaggeration
of
existing
deficiencies
of
minimum
lot
size,
maximum
Building,
height
yards
or
yard
setbacks,
provided
that
the
proposed
increase
in
deficiency
shall
not
exceed
10
percent
of
the
yard
setback,
the
minimum
lot
size
or
maximum
Building
height
I,
don't
know
if
I
feel
about
Building
height,
but
if
it's
an
existence.
I
C
I
The
building
it
though
it's
like
I,
mean
I,
agree
that
it's
so
rare
that
we
should
probably
just
go
through
us,
but
there's
like
tons
of
top
floors
of
old
buildings
that
aren't
that
are
great
if
they
could
check
about
two
feet
together,
like
the
number
of
older
apartment
complexes
that
have
a
variance
or
like
a
housing
code
exception,
because
they're
hiding
Circle
level.
What
is
it
seven
feet?
Six
inches
in
every
bite.
Like
you
know,
that's
a
big
problem
but
I
know.
Openers
are
gonna
like
I.
C
B
C
G
D
G
I
I
So
it's
still
going
through
yeah
I
think
to
be
conservative.
It
probably
should
go
through
more
if
the
occupancy
changes-
okay,
right,
I,
don't
know,
someone
like
added
a
whole
apartment,
just
through
staff
review,
will
make
results
because
that's
going
to
trigger
a
lot
of
other
things,
probably
too
almost
certainly
important.
If
you
had
like,
if
you
managed
to
like
convert
like
a
business
to
a
you,
know,
apartment
or
I,
don't
know
yeah,
it's
gonna
be
weird.
C
And
this
isn't
the
last
time
we'll
look
at
this.
This
is
just
our
first
yeah,
the
second
one
they
proposed
in
this
gets
it
the
one
I
mentioned
otherwise,
conforming
extensions
or
enlargement
of
single
or
two
family
dwellings,
which
do
not
confirm
to
applicable
off-straight
parking
requirements,
but
do
not
increase
the
number
of
loan
units
so
again
that
Dormer
it
applied
in
terms
of
the
setback
and
that
height
it
didn't
exceed
lot
coverage,
but
they
didn't
meet
the
type
of
requirements
so
square
footage
because
it
was
technically
considered
an
enlargement
of
a
structure.
C
C
Now,
if
they
were
adding
a
bedroom
and
it
increased
the
occupancy
or
the
change
that
that
wouldn't
apply
so
and
then
the
last
one
said,
extension,
enlargement
or
replacement
and
kind
of
non-conforming
accessory
structures
not
exceeding
10
of
the
floor
area
and
exterior
Dimensions,
which
is
what
exactly
we
wrote
down
before.
I
read
it
so
that
if
you're,
replacing
it
and
you're
not
increasing
the
footprint
by
more
than
10,
then
you
could
get
the
permit
as
opposed
to.
I
C
B
C
Yard
yeah
it
lasts
for
an
accessory
section,
usually
three
and
three
or
six
and
three,
but
like
a
lot
of
them,
will
be
existing,
but
if
they
choose
to
tear
it
down
they're
supposed
to
meet
it.
So
this
is
basically
saying
you
could
build
with
the
same
setback,
make
it
larger
as
long
as
it's
not
10,
bigger
in
floor
area.
C
Although
I
think
several,
when
we've
seen
we've
seen,
they
don't
make
the
setback
worse,
but
they
are
bigger
than
10
because
of
that
idea
of
getting
the
car
in
or
space
for
a
lawnmower.
But
I'll
look
at
the
actual
to
get
that
percentage,
which
is
what
we
said.
I
A
C
They're,
okay,
yeah,
the
other
one
that
I
said,
which
is
a
little
tricky,
is
for
non-conforming
uses,
Ada
accessibility
improvements,
because
right
now,
technically
an
ADA
accessibility.
Improvement
needs
a
for
example.
There
was
a
dental
office
that
needed
to
add
a
lift
into
their
front
porch,
which
technically
increased
the
square
footage
of
the
building.
C
It
would
have
required
use
variance
because
it's
an
expansion
which,
but
it's
not
it's,
not
adding
like
a
exam
room.
It's
not
adding
even
storage,
it's
solely
for
the
purpose
of
providing
better
Ada
access
and,
as
we
see
of
offices
and
businesses
and
some
of
our
older
buildings
in
the
downtown
area,
that's
been
a
real
obstacle.
C
We
try
to
make
it
work
within
as
fast
as
possible.
I.
G
I
C
I
think
if
it's
code
required
or
or
compliant
which
I
you
know
in
terms
of
like
how
big
should
the
landing
be.
So
it's
not
you
know,
that's
something.
I
can
work
with
build
the
inspectors
on
to
say:
yes,
that's
what
they
need
to
have
like,
as
opposed
to
what
about
like
condenser
units,
and
things
like
like
some
of
this
new
HVAC.
C
They
don't
typically
things
that
are
attached
to
the
building.
Do
not
count
things
that
are
on
the
ground.
Do
you
count
towards
your
setback
requirement,
not
necessarily
your
lock
coverage,
but
they
can
be
very
controversial
within
the
neighborhood.
So
that's
also
one
I
would
want
the
board
to
look
at
because
there
might
be
Alternatives.
That
would
be
less
impactful.
G
I
I
I
B
D
C
I
would
probably
bring
that
here.
Just
oh
and
I
would
confer
with
the
attorney's
office
of
whether
it's
an
area
variance
or
use,
but
for
example,
well
they
did
the
one
place.
They
did
want
to
expand
their
back
porch
to
put
their
trash
there,
so
it
wasn't
up
against
the
neighbors
and
then
we
definitely
need
because
I
didn't
I
mean
technically
they
were
taking
on
portion
of
the
porch
for
yeah.
But
it's
a
good
question,
because
that
one
was
a
little
clear-cut.
We
try
to
be
I.
Guess
it's
reasonable,
so.
B
I
C
Well,
there's
things
that
you
know
we
haven't
had
it
in
the
last
past
couple
months,
but
we've
certainly
had
backlogs
in
the
recent,
even
in
the
past
year,
where
I
tell
somebody
they
can't
get
on
the
agenda.
When
really
there
might
be
some
things
that
if
it
meets
the
thresholds,
we've
said
and
then
it's
it
allows
someone
who
needs
more
detail
really
to
come
to
the
Lord
sooner
and
not
delay
their
projects
and
yeah.
G
C
That
is
certainly
something
we've
definitely
talked
about,
and
particularly
with
some
of
these
I
would
say
intent
I
feel
like
it
tends
to
be
the
larger
r3s,
where
we
see
a
misalignment
between
the
Austrian
parking.
I
would
say
larger
developments
in
the
R3
that
we
see
a
misalignment
between,
but
there's
even
some
places
downtown
where
they're
not
required
to
have
parking
open.
Any
board
makes
them
do
a
transportation
demand
management
because
they
are
big
buildings.
That's
fine
and
that's
fine,
absolutely
and
it's
part
of
their
seeker
at
that
point,.
A
C
The
voice
to
zoning
I
think
I
would
I
have
a
whole
list
of
things.
I
think
we
need
to
clean
up
in
the
zoning
to
make
things
work
better
in
the
parking
in
some
areas
is
one
of.
A
C
And
with
Sam's
help
we're
hoping
to
get
to
separate
within
this
year,
so
yeah
one
of
them
are
starting
to
work.
Look
at
right
now
is
parking
Austin
parking
requirements
in
the
B
zones,
particularly
those
that
are
really
close
to
downtown,
and
you
know
you
go
from
having
no
parking
requirement
in
the
CBD
team,
fairly
strict
parking
requirement
in
the
v
zones,
and
it
might
be
just
across
the
street
from
a
CPU
140
and
it's
completely
different
parking.
C
C
So
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
that
because
there
might
be
some
locations
in
the
lower
density
zones
where
it's
appropriate
to
have
some
parking,
but
like
B4
B5.
Some
of
them
are
really
close
to
downtown
and
on
Transit
lines,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
that's
our
that's.
Our
next
project,
along
with
us
I,
feel
like
people.
I
B
C
F
Artist
not
gonna,
be
able
to
make
it
I'm
going
to
present
here
on
his
behalf
or
answer
questions.
However,
you
want
me
to
approach
this
here.
D
F
So
I
can
share
my
screen
here.
I
do
have
the
plan
of
the
site
up
I'm,
not
extremely
familiar
with
the
job,
but
I
have
been.
Oh,
the
screen
share.
I,
don't
think
it
shared.
B
F
There
we
go
so
like
I
said
I'm,
not
extremely
familiar
with
the
project.
This
is
arna's
project,
but
since
he's
not
available,
he
kind
of
gave
me
the
crash
course
on
the
on
the
job
he's
trying
to
design
here
for
this
intersection
at
Grandview
and
Hudson
I
guess,
ultimately
we're
looking
for
a
variance
today.
F
All
right,
so
this
is
for
a
regulator
station,
that's
being
proposed
at
the
intersection
of
Grandview
and
Hudson
Street
for
NYSEG
I.
Have
a
example
of
the
plan
put
up
I,
guess
the
description
of
the
project
is
they're,
proposing
to
put
an
above
ground
structure
here
at
the
intersection
and
they're
going
to
tie
into
a
distribution
main
that
runs
along
Hudson
Street
and
tie
into
another
medium
pressure.
F
Distribution
main
a
little
further
up
on
Grandview
Avenue
they're,
going
to
bring
the
main
down
Grandview,
Avenue
below
grade
to
the
structure
and
then
they'll
go
below
grade
across
Hudson
Street
to
tie
into
the
distribution.
This
regulator
station
will
replace
another
regulator
station
at
another
location
and
I.
Don't
have
the
address
of
the
other
regulator
station
offhand,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
there's
not
room
to
replace
that
regulator,
station
in
kind
in
the
same
location,
and
this
is
an
alternative
option
to
connect
these
two
systems
back
together
at
a
slightly
different
location.
F
There
will
be
no
odor
injection
at
this
location.
It
won't
be
necessary
here
they
did
a
sound
study
for
the
regulator
station
to
determine
that
inside
of
the
building.
The
sound
will
be
below
70
decibels,
which
is
equivalent
to
normal
street
noise.
F
F
They
have
secured
an
easement
from
the
church
and
they're
proposing
to
put
a
utility
easement
on
that
property.
That's
40
feet
by
30
feet
and
you
can
see
that
kind
of
stenciled
out
here
at
the
corner.
F
They
did
explore
other
locations
in
the
area
and
this
turned
out
to
be
the
only
place
where
they
could
secure
an
easement.
They
did
look
at
site
distance.
You
can
see
the
site
distance
triangles
drawn
on
here,
so
they
have
their
Landscaping
they're
building
far
enough
back
to
not
obstruct
any
sight
distance
requirements.
F
F
Let
me
look
for
that,
while
I
continue
and
I'll
bring
I'll
come
back
to
that
one.
In
a
moment,
they
also
had
some
discussions
with
the
city
about
landscaping
and
they
increased
the
Landscaping
based
on
their
conversations
with
the
city.
So
Landscaping
you
see
here
is
the
revised
design,
ultimately
they're,
requesting
a
variance
to
LA
area
and
setback.
I
think
the
area
requirements
for
this
lot
would
be
six
thousand
square
feet,
and
this
lot
does
not
meet
that
requirement.
F
So
they're
hoping
to
get
a
variance
for
the
revised
lot
size
of
4612
square
feet,
also
looking
for
variance
for
the
front
setback
of
25
feet
for
a
structure
in
this
Zone,
and
this
would
be
10
feet,
I
think
it's
actually
11
feet
technically
we're
in
District
r2a.
F
This
law
is
owned
by
the
church
and
in
its
current
shape
and
location,
it's
unable
to
be
have
anything
built
on
it
without
a
variance,
so
I
think
this
would
I
think
they
think
this
is
a
good
way
to
try
and
utilize.
This
lot.
F
I
C
Change
it,
so
that's
the
latest
I
have
this,
is
the
one
in
the
packet
is
the
latest
I
have
it
has
not
finished
through
planning
board
and
I
know,
I
will
say,
I
I
do
know.
The
planning
board
I
have
still
has
concerns
about
design
the
structure.
F
Yeah
this,
my
understanding
here
NYSEG,
is
working
with
the
city
planning
board
already.
It
sounds
like
they're
trying
to
get
a
special
use
permit
for
this
type
of
structure
in
this
District
and
as
far
as
the
building
appearance
goes,
they
did
come
up
with
a
different
design
from
the
one
that
was
originally
submitted.
That
has
a
multi-colored
brick.
Look
the
bricks
actually
get
hand
painted
on
the
on
the
structure,
and
it's
pretty
hard
to
tell
that.
It's
not
an
actual
brick
building.
F
F
F
C
Also
just
meet
the
rear
yard,
so,
okay.
F
G
I
I
F
So
they
started
looking
for
an
above
grade
option.
They
did
talk
to
a
couple
other
property
owners
in
the
area,
and
this
was
their
first
or
their
best
option
and
the
only
one
that
they
were
able
to
secure
and
easement
for
okay.
F
F
Basic
residential
regulator
station
that
they
have
all
over
the
city,
so
this
takes
a
medium
pressure
system
and
ties
it
into
a
lower
pressure
system
and,
like
I,
said,
the
existing
one
needs
to
be
replaced.
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
why
I
would
imagine
it's
aging
infrastructure,
and
this
is
reconnecting.
I
A
I
F
So
I
think
that's.
The
intent
is
to
keep
the
parking
there.
The
yellow
is
going
to
be
an
extension
of
non-grass
area
to
get
access
into
the
building,
but
the
rest
of
that
is
proposed
to
be
grass
and
have
Landscaping
on
it
to
like.
You,
said,
try
and
make
it
blend
in
more
with
the
surrounding
area.
I
F
Nice
I
guess
I'm
planning
to
do
anything
with
the
parking
area
at
this
time.
It's
my
understanding.
That's
the
church's
parking
that
they're
using
obviously
nice
like
we'll
park
there
when
they
need
to
use
this
building,
but
they're
we're
talking
a
handful
of
times
a
year.
At
most,
they
won't
be
out
there
extensively.
B
F
B
This
actually
has
no
bearing
it's
more
out
of
just
curiosity
at
when
my
SEC
does
similar
projects
on
property.
That's
not
held
in
a
you
know,
presumably
what
it's
a
501c3.
Is
this
a
taxable
structure
or
you
might
not
know
the
answer.
I'm
just
curious,
I.
F
B
H
C
C
I
think
the
the
building
on
whether
this
fits
into
the
character
in
the
neighborhood
is
something
for
the
various
boards
to
decide,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
something
that
would
be
of
concern
too.
So
we.
F
I
mean
the
building
does
accomplish
a
few
things.
I
mean
one.
It's
gonna
almost
eliminate
the
noise
that
the
regulator
will
produce.
Granted.
That's
going
to
be
during
peak
days
when
it's
really
cold
outside
so
likely
the
noise
wouldn't
be
an
issue
anyways.
You
wouldn't
hear
it
in
the
summer
as
much
as
you
would
in
the
winter.
It
is
an
aesthetic
reason.
It
does
protect
the
regulator
from
vehicles
and
from
the
weather
as
well.
So
it
does
provide
a
lot
of
function.
B
Let's
open
up
the
public
hearing
and
then
we
might
do
it
back
here.
If
that's
okay,
yep.
F
C
Have
not
received
any
comments
or
anyone
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
appeal
we
did
receive.
One
written
comment
like
today
in
opposition
and
David
I
will
send
you
a
copy
of
this
by
email
and
I
will
say
I'm
going
to
read
the
letter,
but
in
along
with
it
and
I'll
forward.
This
is
the
board
as
well
came
some
photos
of
another
similar
building
with
some
graffiti
on
it.
C
So
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
I'm
writing
in
regard
to
nicet's
proposed
construction
of
a
precast,
concrete
utility
structure
10
by
16
feet
on
the
corner
of
Grandview
Avenue
in
Hudson
Street
in
the
city
of
Ithaca,
for
reviewing
the
details
of
the
proposed
project
and
photos
of
a
sample
structure.
I
feel
it
absolutely
does
not
fit
in
with
or
reflect
the
character.
C
The
established
character
of
our
neighborhood,
the
proposed
site
at
the
southernmost
edge
of
the
South
Hill
Neighborhood
is
it
is
the
Gateway
into
the
city
from
the
town
of
Ithaca,
Hudson
Street
was
formerly
known
as
the
Owego
Turnpike
renamed
Hudson
Street
in
the
1880s.
Consequently,
there
are
several
historic
dwellings:
all
along
the
street.
Some
older
homes
in
the
first
block
at
the
Northern
end
of
the
street
have
been
converted
to
rental
property.
Although
the
600
block
of
Hudson
Street
were
the
site
of
this
application
is
located,
is
predominantly
owner-occupied.
Single-Family
trollings,
with
long-term
ownership.
C
The
property's
most
impacted
by
this
proposed
precast,
concrete
Spectra,
include
the
following.
The
dwelling
in
619
Hudson
Street
is
an
excellent
example
of
federal
style.
Architecture
is
one
of
the
oldest
remaining
homes
in
the
City
built
in
the
1820s
and
occupied
by
its
current
owner.
Since
1989.,
the
house
is
at
631,
635
and
641.
Parkson
Street
are
all
examples
of
the
Greek
Revival
rural
vernacular
style
and
date
back
to
between
1835
and
1850..
The
owner
occupants
had
lived
in
these
houses
since
1992,
1959
and
1999
respectively.
C
My
home
at
636
Hudson
Street,
contiguous
to
the
proposed
site
of
the
concrete
structure
which
I've
occupied
since
1987,
is
an
example
of
both
Victorian.
In
dates
back
to
1870.,
the
house
is
directly
across
the
street
from
the
proposed
concrete
structure
is
637
and
639
Hudson
Street,
both
built
in
1915
in
the
Craftsman
spot
style
more
recently
purchased
by
young
families,
are
both
currently
undergoing
major
Renovations
and
updates
indication
that
both
families
intend
on
staying
in
the
long
term
in
their
handsome
homes
in
our
established
neighborhood.
C
Given
the
residential
and
historical
characters
surrounding
the
proposed
site
here
are
my
questions
and
concerns.
Does
the
regulation
does
the
regulator
station
absolutely
need
to
be
at
this
proposing
patient,
or
could
it
be
located
further
south
on
Hudson
Street
Extension,
where
firm
anchored
situated,
which
is
a
more
industrial
setting?
It's
similar
to
the
utilitarian
look
of
the
precast
concrete
structure.
The
corner
is
a
bus
stop
for
the
tcat
bus,
so
Riders
will
be
standing
waiting
within
feet
of
the
proposed
structure.
C
Throughout
the
day,
the
proposed
structure
will
be
construed
as
a
blank
canvas
by
the
spray
paint
artists
who
have
decorated
several
public
surfaces
on
South
Hill,
as
well
as
defacing
the
actual
participated
murals
on
the
wooden
fence
along
the
Hudson
Street
entrance
to
the
South
Hill
recreational
trail,
they've
also
to
face
unoccupied
buildings
in
the
neighborhood,
with
spray
paint
attached.
Our
photos
of
nice
eggs
regulator,
stationed
on
North,
Titus
Avenue,
showing
nice
eggs,
current
maintenance
of
their
structures
within
a
residential
owner,
idified
neighborhood,
also
referencing.
The
attached
photos,
wire,
nysites,
existing
and
proposed
structures.
C
C
When
the
planning
department
approved
the
church's
request
to
use
this
parcel
as
a
parking
area,
it
was
stipulated
that
there
would
be
signage
for
church
use
only
that
cars
would
park
parallel
to
the
street
and
a
hedge
would
be
planted
shielding
the
parked
cars
from
the
neighboring
property.
None
of
these
stipulations
exist
nor
have
been
enforced.
It's
no
wonder.
Nyseg
was
allowed
an
easement
on
the
parcel
I.
C
Immediate
neighbors
are
randomly
opposed
to
approval
of
the
site
plan
proposal
at
this
location,
and
we
sincerely
appreciate
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
members,
careful
review
as
well
as
their
consideration
and
appreciation
of
our
neighborhood
Pride,
and
that
is
from
Martha
Preston.
At
six
sorry,
she
mentioned
it.
C
Hudson
Street
also
have
foreign.
This
was
subject
to
review
by
talking
count.
Tompkins
County
under
General
Municipal
law
and
the
county
has
said
that
they
have
determined
that
oppose
action
will
have
no
significant
county-wide
or
intermunicipal
impact
in
terms
of
environmental
review.
This
was
an
unlisted
action
with
this
part
of
sight,
thin
review,
for
which
is
a
planning
and
development
board
issued
a
negative
Declaration
of
environmental
significance
on
January
24th
2023
and
in
terms
of
their
comments.
The
planning
and
development
board.
B
David,
would
you
like
to
respond
to
the
one
statement
of
acquisition?
That's
your
right!
If
you
wanted
to
do
this,
yes,.
F
Please
all
right
so
I
can
address
a
couple
of
the
comments
or
just
taking
notes
here,
trying
to
capture
everything
so
I.
The
reason
I
couldn't
find
the
picture
of
the
building
was
because
it
was
attached
to
the
non-colored
copy
of
the
plan.
F
This
is
what
they
originally
had
proposed,
just
a
single
color
stamped
concrete
building
and
they
picked
a
color
that
was
going
to
resemble
the
same
color
as
the
church.
In
the
background,
after
opposition
for
the
style,
they
talked
to
the
manufacturer
and
they're
able
to
produce
something:
that's
more
of
a
multi-colored,
brick
and
they're,
hoping
that
that
style
will
better
blend
in
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
be
more
aesthetically
pleasing
to
the
residents
in
the
area
and,
hopefully,
maybe
less
appealing
for
graffiti
artists.
F
They
did
look
at
the
bus,
stop
proximity,
I.
Think
part
of
the
screening
back
to
the
plan.
Part
of
the
screening
here
is
to
try
and
create
a
buffer
between
the
bus,
stop
and
the
building,
there's,
not
a
paved
area
or
or
bus,
stop
house
or
shelter
or
anything
in
the
area
for
people
to
congregate
in
so
hopefully,
this
screening
and
buffer
area
here
will
create
a
deterrent
for
people
trying
to
go
over
to
the
building.
F
I
can't
speak
to
whether
or
not
it
can
be
buried.
My
understanding
is
that
it
can't
and
as
far
as
the
size
of
the
building
it
does
allow
for
maintenance.
So
it's
a
it's,
not
a
very
large
regulator
station
inside
the
building,
but
it
does
allow
room
for
somebody
to
have
ergonomic
working
capabilities
around
the
outside
of
the
regulator
within
the
limits
inside
of
the
building.
F
As
far
as
therm
is
concerned,
that
was
one
site
that
they
did
look
at
and
they
were
not
able
to
secure
an
easement
from
the
term.
They
did
consider
that
site
and
then
I
think
the
last
one
here
was
as
far
as
parking
and
screening
from
the
church.
That's
something
that
I
can't
speak
to
the
agreement
that
the
church
made
with
them.
F
F
So
anything
they
can
do
to
try
and
support
that
I'm
sure
they'd
be
open
to
some
some
ideas
there,
but
I
think
they've
they've
come
a
long
ways
from
where
they
started
with
the
screening
to
try
and
already
address
that
concern
based
on
prior
comments.
I
This
whole
time,
but
like
her
like
is
it
you
know:
she's
only
you're
only
going
to
really
notice
this
during
the
winter
when
there's
no
foliage.
If
you
live
in
the
house
next
door,
have
you
guys
talked
to
the
planning
board
about?
Oh
those
are
the
trees.
Okay,.
F
So
there's
nine
juniper
trees,
which
are
evergreen
style,
trees,
there's
three
Maples
and
I'm,
not
sure
what
a
green
giant
is
Arborvitae.
That's
that's
Evergreen
as
well,
so
you
can
see
the
TG
and
JC
up
here
are
listed
or
Evergreen.
So
I.
Imagine
that
these
are
going
to
be
the
Arborvitae.
The
smaller
ones
in
here
will
be
the
juniper
trees
and
then
the
larger
ones
will
be
the
maples.
I
F
I,
don't
have
that
offhand
I'm
sure
I
can
probably
find
that
answer
if
I
start
going
through
everything
that
I
have
here
but
I
don't
know
enough
about
the
the
need
for
why
they
have
to
replace
it
and
can't
in
that
exact
location.
It's
my
understanding,
it's
in
a
vault
in
another
neighborhood,
and
it
it
the
Vault,
can't
be
replaced
in
its
current
location
or
won't
fit
or
the
new
regulator.
According
to
nyseg's,
current
standards
won't
fit
within
the
ball.
It's
probably
more
likely.
I
I
So,
like
my
brain
hasn't
even
really
made
it
to
the
actual
variances
because,
like
usually,
we
were
just
talking
about
with
that
conversation
before
all
this
about
things
like
fire
codes,
Eda,
accessibility,
things
like
that
where
this
is
a
public
utility
putting
in
Machinery
I,
guess,
seem
necessary
and
then
trying
to
cover
it.
So
that's
just
not
out
in
the
open,
and
so
that
seems
like
the
sort
of
thing
that
I
would
want
to
accommodate.
G
I
was
inclined
at
first
not
to
think
this
was
a
huge
problem
with
the
letter.
I'm
glad
you
read
that
letter,
because
those
are
really
good
points
and
I
think
that
she
and
probably
other
neighbors,
are
frustrated
by
some
of
the
shabbiness
here
on
Grandview,
Avenue,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm.
Looking
at
a
map,
there's
the
there's.
This
Gravel
Pit
parking
area
on
both
sides
of
the
street
there's
some
kind
of
little
accessories
shed
outside
an
apartment.
Building,
there's
no
sidewalks,
so
I
can
see
what
I
can
see.
F
I
know
they
did
talk
about
the
sidewalk
and
the
crosswalk.
You
can
see
the
crosswalk
kind
of
goes
to
Nowhere
and
the
layout
of
their
building
is
designed
in
a
way
that
it's
far
enough
back
that
the
sidewalk
could
be
extended
in
front
of
it.
If
the
city
decided
to
do
that
without
impacting
the
location
of
the
building,
so
they're
not
they're,
not
putting
it
in
the
way.
F
G
C
G
In
the
city's
right,
the
cities
right
away
there,
isn't
it
it's
private
property,
where's
the
cities
right
away.
C
G
I'm,
sorry,
no
I
know
this
just
I
and
I
know
this.
Isn't
it's
not
directly
related,
but
again
it's
all
part
of
the
picture,
like
that's
ugly
and
I,
can
see
why
the
neighbors
are
worried
that
something's
more
ugly,
when
we
put
in
that
same
area,
so
I
think
resign
is
really
key
and
enforcement
of
aesthetic
standards
in
that
parking
area
there
I
think,
would
help
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
C
B
C
G
F
I
I
think
I
think
the
sites
are
getting
existing
in
air
quotes
like
eyesore
already
I.
Don't
think
anything
that
NYSEG
is
doing
is
like
adding
detriment
to
that.
Inherently,
like
I
I'm
curious
about
like.
Could
they
just
build
this
by
right
without
a
structure,
and
that
would
be
worse
off
for
everyone?
I
It
seems
like
something
that
we
could
just
wait
on
the
living
Ward's
final
project
plan
for
this
and
then
vote
is
a
reason
we
are
sort
of
waiting
for
because,
like
the
neighborhood
characters
rely
upon
what
the
planning
board
decides
if
the
planning
boards
like
this
is
terrible,
unless
you
incorporate
if
this
parking
area
was
like
Incorporated
in
the
larger
project,
the
whole
thing
is
landscaped,
like
I.
Think
we
all
objectively
agree
that
this
is
the
benefit
to
the
community,
but
I
think
we're
just
waiting.
C
C
I
think
it
might
be
useful,
then,
to
know
that
if
stana's
point
that
there
was
a
better
design,
that
would
be
less
impactful.
If
would
the
board
be
open
to
considering
the
couple
of
areases
that
they
need
yeah
once
the
designs
approved
by
the
planning
board?
That
means.
H
What,
frankly,
I
think
it
cuts
both
ways
to
Donna's
point
and
to
my
point
and
Andre
touched
on
that
regulator
is
just
out
there
and
they
can
do
that
by
right.
Even
this
would
be
better
than
that,
but
then
does
it
need?
Are
we
going
to
make
them
then
go
a
step
further
like
if
it's
they
can
have
this
regulator
buy
right.
Any
covering
I
think
is
preferable
to
just
having
this
yeah
piece
of
Machinery
out
there.
How.
C
G
F
Would
they
do
that
occasionally
in
some
areas
where
it's
Rural
and
Aesthetics
aren't
in
concern
and
vehicle
traffic
isn't
as
big
of
a
concern,
but
they
would
have
to
put
bollards
up
and
other
structures
to
try
and
protect
the
regulator
from
vehicular
traffic,
and
it's
not
very
pretty
that's
why
they
try
to
put
them
in
structures
in
some
areas
they
put
like
a
steel
box
around
them
that
opens
up
on
two
or
four
sides
so
that
they
can
maintain
it
from
outside,
but
those
are
not
very
pretty
and
they
reflect
the
Sun
and
in
general
people
don't
like
those
in
their
front
here
they
look
like
utility
structures.
F
That's
why
they're
trying
to
put
a
building
in
and
put
the
brick
pattern
on
it
and
trying
to
make
it
aesthetically
pleasing
for
the
neighborhood
and
like
I,
said
this
is
a
different
style
than
this
building.
It's
a
similar
construction,
but
they
hand
paint
the
bricks
to
make
it
look
more
like
a
traditional
brick
building
unless
you're
right
up
against
it.
You
probably
wouldn't
be
able
to
tell
that
they're,
not
real
bricks.
I
Doing
a
lot
of
the
things
we
ask
right:
they,
you
sort
of
explained
why
they're
not
using
the
existing
location
reasons
that
I
considered
credible.
It
demonstrated
that
you've
asked
about
alternative
sites,
and
this
is
the
one
that
was.
You
know,
I
think
if
you
could
put
it
in
therm,
it
would
be
better,
but
we
can't
compel
them
to
go
along
with
that.
F
The
the
proximity
of
the
two
Mains
to
each
other
here
makes
this
a
very
ideal
site
going.
The
third
would
would
mean
extending
a
new
main
across
I'm
sorry
Hudson
Street
over
to
therm
as
well
from
this
area.
So.
B
I
guess
what
I
want
to
do?
Real
quick
is
just
summarize
sort
of
where
I
think
we're
at
and
also
just
really
make
sure
we
know
the
process
well,
even
if
they
get
their
variance
tonight,
then
negative
goes
back
to
the
planning
board
and
then
they
have
to
apply
for
a
special
permit.
B
If,
if
anybody
else
were
to
buy
this
parcel
and
try
to
build
something,
they're
going
to
try
to
build
something,
that's
over
160
square
feet.
In
that
sense,
your
magnifying
the
deficiencies
at
stake.
So
that's
how
I
look
at
this
I
I
would
hope
to
approve.
You
know
those
types
of
variances
are
interested
in
based
on
the
unique
and
sort
of
parcel
of
the
self.
B
On
top
of
everything
else,
we've
discussed
knowing
that
in
doing
so,
we
would
still
have
all
the
safeguards
of
the
planning
boards
full
purview
and
and
they'll
be
able
to
listen
to
the
same
exact
letter
and
take
back
more
Aesthetics
and
plantings
over
consideration.
But
Megan,
can
you
just
speak
to
the
process.
C
A
special
permit
for
the
use
and
also
issue
either
preliminary
or
preliminary
and
final
well,
eventually,
vinyl
site
plan
approval,
which
would
include
the
design
and
the
paintings
and
the
parking
or
the
access
configuration
that
they've
proposed,
so
that
I
think
the
board
could
have
a
couple
options
here.
C
One
is
you
could
condition
and
I
think
you
should,
if
you
choose
to
vote
tonight,
condition
your
approval
on
a
design
approved
by
the
planning
board,
which
would
have
to
happen
anyway,
but
just
it
does
send
the
message
to
the
planning
board
that
you
do
acknowledge
the
concern
about
design
and
how
it
mitigates
impacts
and
also,
of
course,
the
special
permit.
C
The
other
option
is,
you
could
wait
because
technically
they
don't
have
approval
for
this
use
yet
so
they
you
could
wait
and
have
wait
until
the
planning
board
issues
and
preliminary
approval
on
a
design
and
the
approval
of
the
special
permit
and
then
come
back.
I
think
it's
up
to
the
board.
However,
you
want
to
do
it.
C
B
Thanks
I
I
also
think
I,
don't
think
it's
it's
more
of
a
interesting
component
of
this,
which
is
the
variance
contains
with
the
parcel,
but
this
is
an
easement
for
the
use,
that's
generating
the
variance
so
I
think
that's
just
interesting
thing
that
we
haven't
dealt
with
so
I'd
be
curious
to
just
know
about
that.
B
H
C
Mean
semantics
so
like
if
the
if
NYSEG
left
the
building
the
building
could
stay
in
an
allowed
use
could
go
in
it,
which
would
not
be
feasible
because
it
would
be,
as
the
only
allowed
uses
on
that
or
can.
C
G
B
G
H
H
F
But
I
don't
I,
don't
know
for
sure
how
Ithaca
would
view
it,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
these
Regulators
get
put
pretty
close
to
the
road
within
the
road
right
away
and
and
in
many
instances,
which
would
lead
me
to
believe
that
they
probably
don't
need
a
structure,
use
variance
to
put
the
regulator
above
grade
with
some
bollards
around
it,
but
I'm
not
in
the
business
of
making
those
decisions.
So.
H
I
Discussions
here
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
want
to
judge
the
Aesthetics
of
this
I
just
want
to
leave
that
up
to
the
fighting
board
to
Dave's
point.
This
is
like
the
smallest
structure,
this
area
we're
going
to
have
and
I.
Don't
it's
not
like
we're
destroying
Christine
Wilderness
to
build
it
we're
getting
rid
of
like?
Are
you
ready?
You
know
ordering
so
tonight.
B
B
F
G
I
B
Sorry
I
don't
want
college
kids
on
their
ways
down
to
the
Moonies.
B
I
I'm
comfortable
making
a
motion,
but
Donna
do
you
want
to
wait
if
maybe
David
can
pull
it
up
real,
quick
or
take
another.
G
Minute,
I,
don't
think
it
would
change
I'm
I'm
willing
to
vote
for
it,
but
I
want
that.
I
understand
why
some
of
the
neighbors
would
be
frustrated.
Yes
and
I.
Think
that
larger
attention
has
to
be
given
to
that
general
area
in
other
ways
and
I
do
understand
that
that's
not
our
curfew,
but
I
still
think
it
needs
to
be
said
right,
I,
agree,
so
I'll
record
my
motion
that
speaks.
B
To
that,
and
also
gives
the
planning
board
the
affirmation
better,
this.
F
Isn't
this
isn't
sorry
to
interrupt
here,
but
this
isn't
the
best
picture
because
it's
not
installed
yet
this
will
be
placed
down
into
this
trench,
and
this
area
right
in
here
would
be
below
grade,
and
then
that
would
be
above
grade
and
then
they
would
paint
it
after
it's
complete.
But
that
gives
you
an
idea
what
it
would
look
like
and
it
would
have
some
bollards
around
it.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
exact
configuration
that's
inside
the
building,
but
this
is
what
a
typical
above
ground
residential
regulator
station
would
look
like.
F
Has
a
couple
of
valves,
a
filter
and
a
regulator
on
it.
They
have
multiple
Taps,
where
they
connect,
control
and
sense
lines
to
them
or
events
for
maintenance,
and
then
there's
a
bunch
of
below
grade
valve
boxes
and
other
things
that
tend
to
be
around
the
site.
So
it
does
kind
of
prevent
an
eyesore.
F
I
F
It
changes
pressure
from
one
system
to
another,
so
the
distribution
pressure
in
most
residential
streets
is
relatively
low
pressure,
but
that
needs
to
be
fed
by
a
medium
pressure
system
which
needs
to
be
fed
by
a
higher
pressure
system.
So
this
is
this
piece
of
equipment
right
here
as
a
regulator,
and
this
will
change
the
pressure
on
one
side
of
it
to
the
other,
with
a
series
of
diaphragms.
F
They
they
do
protect
themselves
from
that
with
sometimes
they'll
put
chains
and
locks
around
things.
Sometimes
these
these
valves,
you
can
see,
there's
no
handle
on
it
and
there's
actually
a
little
tab.
There
they'll
put
a
pad
lock
through
it,
but
it
is
possible
for
somebody
to
come
up
and
and
cause
some
damage
to
it,
but
they
they
do
things
to
protect
themselves
from
that,
one
of
which
is
put
it
inside
of
a
locked
building.
F
They
will
also
probably
put
locks
on
some
of
the
valves
and
some
of
the
other
equipment
as
well
there's
other
redundancies
built
into
their
system.
So
if
something
does
happen
like
a
tree
or
sabotage,
there's
other
things
in
the
system
that
will
automatically
close
valves
to
try
and
protect
further
issue
like
I.
A
F
This
is
relatively
low
pressure,
so
from
a
from
a
safety
standpoint,
it's
not
a
very
dangerous
component
within
their
system.
B
Thank
you,
David
I
am
going
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
appeal
numbers
3250
and
make
that
motion
based
on
the
following
factors
considered
number
one,
whether
an
undesirable
change
change
will
be
produced
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
a
detriment
to
nearby
properties.
No
based
on
the
specific
specificity
of
this
parcel
and
the
desired
use,
we
board
fines
if
they
would
not
be
any
definition
or
the
neighborhood
from
these
requests
again.
B
This
is
based
on
analyzing
with
shape
and
configuration
of
the
existing
lot,
as
well
as
the
overall
size
of
the
structure
and
the
mitigation
techniques
employed
by
the
appellant
and
indeed,
in
so
doing.
A
negative
impact
on
character
of
the
neighborhood
would
not
mean
that,
because
Alternatives
would
actually
have
a
greater
impact
number
two,
whether
the
benefits
sought
by
the
appellant
can
be
achieved
by
a
feasible
alternative
to
the
variance.
B
No
given
the
shape
size
and
location
of
the
property
is
not
feasible
to
develop
a
lot
without
area
variances
number
three,
whether
the
requested
variance
is
substantial.
The
support
finds
that
it
is
substantial.
B
A
minimum
wage
area
of
six
thousand
square
footage
required
for
public
utility
in
one
zone
and
the
property
is
4791.6
square
feet.
This
deficiency
of
just
over
1200
square
feet
is
proportionately
a
substantial
for
deficient
law
area
and
setbacks
are
due
to
the
unusual
shape
and
small
size
of
the
site,
and
so
any
development
of
this
segment
will
require
similar
variances
that
would
actually
produce
a
higher
deficiency
and
higher
ask
in
all
reality.
Any
other
project
would
require
a
larger
structure
and
a
more
impactful
in
terms
of
the
site.
B
No,
however,
this
variance
is
specifically
envisioned
on
the
appellant
receiving
a
special
use
permit
issued
to
the
city
of
Ithaca
planning,
board
and
planning
department,
and
it's
also
conditioned
on
the
design
approval
for
both
the
structure,
the
materiality
and
Landscaping,
as
so
segmented
by
City
staff
and
the
planning
board,
as
well
as
confirmation
that
any
and
all
easements,
allowing
for
the
construction
of
this
site
to
fall
in
line
with
all
require
land
use
laws
and
the
city's
OWN
Network
I
think
it
variances
for
area
deficiencies.
B
That
said,
if
the
planning
board
identifies
additional
impacts,
they
reserve
the
right
a
few
requests,
the
accountant
revisit
their
variants
and
then
number
five.
Whether
the
alleged
network
will
do
is
self-created.
I
actually
argue
that
it
was
not
again
based
on
the
specificity
of
the
parcel
and
the
appellance
desire
to
reach
out
to
Jason
and
alternative
sites.
They
did
make
a
lasting
effort
to
mitigate
and
avoid
the
variance
process.
So,
however,
should
they
have
by
other
opinions
that
have
been
self-created?
B
Then
we
let's
see
here
then
in
that
sense,
the
the
nature
of
them
designing
new
construction
does
not
meet
the
requirements
of
the
zoning
ordinance
does
not
negate
the
necessity
of
a
relief
that
issue
by
emotion
that
will
grant
rarely
events
for
the
appeal
number,
it's
very
second.
B
Second,
by
Andre,
you
know
it
would
be
experience.
Mr.
A
C
Right
so
David
the
variance
has
been
Brandon
you'll
get
a
written
version
of
the
approval
within
within
the
week.
We'll
also
be
sending
a
copy
of
this
to
the
planning
board
in
the
building
division
in
terms
of
any
building
permits
that
are
required.
There
are
a
couple
of
conditions
that
will
have
to
be
met
before
a
building
permit
can
be
issued
or
next
step.
C
So
some
of
those
we
can
get
from
other
staff,
but
some
of
the
copy
of
the
easement
and
such
and
things
that
you
need
I
will
get
that
to
you
this
week.
B
C
You,
okay,
so
the
most
time
that
sound
they're
ready
so
we'll
send
them
out
this
week
and
then
we'll
vote
on
those
and
tonight's
minutes
of
the
May
meeting.
Our
May
meeting
agenda
is
fairly
light.
As
of
now.
G
C
The
next
meeting
we
have
two
appeals
currently
scheduled,
which
is
the
Valentine
Place
appeal
that
was
postponed
from
tonight,
which
there'll
be
some
additional
integration
coming
about
that
and
a
a
new
field,
which
is
an
amendment
to
other
eighth
grades
in
a
couple
of
years.
So
those
are
becoming,
and
also
at
that
point,
have
a
draft
of
what
we
were
talking
about
in
terms
of
your
zoning
permits
to
get
your
review
and
feedback
on
before
we
take
that
to.