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A
A
C
D
C
Board
Zone
rules
and
procedure.
The
board
comprises
five
members
nominated
by
the
mayor,
the
Rebecca
Council
board
members
president
tonight
or
Michael
Cannon,
Don,
Simon
and
Joseph
Kirby,
and
as
well
as
assistant
Jacobs
and
deputy
director
of
Spanish
Megan
Wilson
Staff
did
Ford
David
Barkin
is
joining
us
remotely
as
his
assistant
City
attorney
Victor
Kessler
I
am
Audrey
Gardner
Vice,
chairman
of
board
of
designer
Brigade,
the
secretary
of
the
board,
Megan
Wilson,
will
call
each
case
in
the
order
listed
on
the
agenda.
C
The
felons
will
then
have
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
presenting
material
or
highlight
aspects
of
the
appeal
board.
Members
make
question
opposed
on
any
areas
requiring
clarification.
Full
consideration
of
appeals
requires
a
public
hearing
deliberation
and
then
voting
by
the
board.
These
actions
are
only
after
the
ballot
has
filed
appropriate
documents
with
its
owning
Division
and
planning,
and
development.
Public
hearings
include
testimonials
interested
parties.
C
The
board
considers
interested
parties
person
to
live
work
or
own
property
and
within
750
feet
of
the
property
or
or
who
are
authorized
representatives
or
recognized
adjacent
neighborhood
groups
or
Latin
City
officials
board
members
May
question
testifying
interested
parties
on
any
area
that
require
any
clarification,
hurts
and
two
do
not
meet.
The
order
to
visit
party
definition
will
not
be
heard.
Comments
are
limited
in
three
minutes.
Opponents
will
then
be
allowed
to
revive
replacing
testimony,
but
in
commonalities
of
huge
rates
as
a
disposed
in
limited
primaries
a
lot
of
time.
C
Well,
we
do
not
adhere
District
Rules
of
Evidence.
We
do
consider
this
a
quasi-tra
digital
proceeding
and
we
base
our
decisions
on
a
bigger
record.
The
official
record
consists
of
application
materials
about
the
zoning
division,
correspondence
related
to
cases
received
by
the
concerning
Division
and
planning
and
development
board's
own
findings
and
recommendations.
If
any
and
the
record
of
the
United,
States
and
audio
recording
is
being
made
of
this
event,
therefore,
it
is
essential
everyone.
C
Anyone
wanting
to
be
hurt,
afforded
and
speaks
directly
into
a
microphone,
so
their
companies
are
recorded
and
heard
by
all
president
Australians
comments
from
the
audience
will
never
be
reported
or
considered
by
the
word.
We
ask
anyone
to
limit
their
accountants
to
the
board.
The
zoning
issues
where
you
could
heal
and
not
comment
on
matters
beyond
the
board
share
extension.
C
Following
the
balance
rebuttal,
the
appeal
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
board
will
begin
deliberation.
The
board
is
required
to
render
a
decision
within
62
days
of
the
public
hearing
exposure
I
want
to
see
hearing
explode.
No
further
testimony
will
be
taken:
extreme
votes
to
approval
motion,
the
great
variants
and
what
favorable
education
in
the
event
of
a
Time
appeals.
Tonight
skills
are
available
for
public
review
on
the
table
in
the
back
of
the
room,
as
well
as
the
city's
website.
Please
be
advised.
C
B
All
right
appeal:
three,
two:
three
four
for
121
with
125
Lake
Street
appeal
of
swb,
our
Architects
on
behalf
of
the
property
owner
of
wisdom,
development
for
an
area,
variance
from
section
325,
8
column,
8,
Huntington
stories
follow
nine
heightened
feet,
column,
14,
15,
rear
yard
requirements
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
applicant
proposes
to
construct
a
new
five-story
77
unit
apartment
building
on
the
East
parcel
of
the
former
Ithaca
Gun
Factory
site,
located
at
121
to
125
Lake
Street
prior
to
construction.
The
applicant
will
remediate
the
site
under
the
open,
New
York,
State
DEC.
B
The
project
will
include
the
construction
of
the
apartment,
building,
Insight
improvements
to
create
access
to
the
city
on
the
adjacent
city-owned
national
area.
The
r3a
zoning
regulations
limit
the
height
of
the
building
to
four
stories
in
40
feet
due
to
the
Topography
of
the
site.
The
proposed
building
is
five
stories
in
height
when
the
majority
of
the
lowest
level
located
below
grade
Additionally.
The
building
will
be
49
feet
above
grade
plain
in
the
district
rate.
Maximum
and
40
feet
is
permitted.
B
The
applicant
also
seeks
a
variance
from
the
rear
drive
requirement
of
50
feet.
The
proposed
building
will
be
located
26
feet,
7
inches
from
the
rear
property
line
at
the
narrowest
points
121
to
125,
Lake
Street
is
located
in
the
r3a
district
in
which
the
proposed
use
is
permitted.
However,
section
325-38
requires
that
an
area
variants
be
granted
before
a
building
permit
is
issued.
F
Evening
board
members
we
was
a
little
bit
ago,
but
back
in
July,
we
spoke
with
you
guys
about
this
project,
and
the
project
has
not
really
changed
at
all.
We'll
go
over
a
couple
of
very
minor
changes
today,
but
really
quickly,
I'm,
just
gonna
recap
what
we
talked
about
previously
as
Megan
just
outlined.
The
variances
that
we
presented
back
then
are
the
same
as
they
are
now
so
without
further
Ado
I'll
share
my
screen
here
and
go
through
a
quick
presentation.
F
So
this
is
the
site
plan.
The
main
thing
that
we
had
worked
out
since
the
last
time
you
saw
is
really
this
island
Overlook.
If
you
looked
very
closely
between
the
two
plans,
you'd
see
a
difference
there,
but,
generally
speaking,
the
rest
of
the
site
is
exactly
as
it
was.
The
four-story
77
unit,
I,
should
say
four
story:
five-story
77
unit
building
is
located
in
the
same
exact
spot
that
it
was
the
parking
and
site
access
is
all
the
same.
F
F
F
As
of
right
now,
the
current
pedestrian
access
around
this
area
is
a
little
bit
limiting,
but
by
our
project
we
will
be
basically
connecting
the
sidewalk
from
just
off
the
page
here
all
the
way
down
to
where
we
can
connect
it
furthest
so
that
there's
a
safe
and
easily
navigable
pedestrian
route
on
this
side
of
the
street.
F
In
addition
to
that,
we
are,
of
course,
providing
the
island
Overlook,
which
is
an
area
that
will
be
a
flat
ground
area,
that's
accessible
for
folks
to
go
out
to
the
edge
of
the
water
behind
a
barricade,
I'm,
sorry,
the
edge
of
the
Cliffside
behind
a
barricade
and
Overlook
down
into
Ithaca
and
see
Ithaca
Falls.
So
we
will
be
doing
all
of
that
work
that
includes
a
Trail
bridge
that
crosses
the
existing
Raceway
and
connects
back
to
an
accessible
sidewalk.
That
gets
you
all
the
way
back
down
to
Lake
Street.
F
We
have
also
dedicated
to
accessible
parking
spaces
adjacent
to
that
Island
Overlook
as
well.
F
We
just
wanted
to
recap
that
we're
very
dedicated
to
this
project
and
we've
gone
through
the
a
lot
of
work
with
the
planning
board
and
are
very
excited
to
take
this
to
fruition.
There's
been
a
couple
of
other
proposed
developments
on
here
that
have
fallen
through,
but
myself,
along
with
vision,
development
is
very
dedicated
to
improving
this
area
and
doing
the
cleanup,
and
you
know,
fixing
what
is
a
somewhat
blighted
parcel
of
land
here
in
this
area.
F
F
E
I
would
just
say
that
this
is
a
very
unique
site
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
extra
efforts
that
we
are
doing,
that
are
very
good
benefits
for
the
community.
The
cleanup
process
itself
will
cost
us
an
extra
two
three
million
dollars
for
this
project
and,
as
Eric
mentioned,
we
are
building
and
paying
for
several
other
community
benefits.
The
sidewalk,
the
island,
The
Overlook,
will
be
maintaining
those
spaces.
So
yeah
I
feel
like
that's
that
that
covers
that
slide.
Eric.
F
And
so
with
that,
we'll
just
quickly
look
at
some
of
the
imagery
and
talk
about
the
variances
a
little
bit
more
specifically.
So
this
is
the
main
view
from
Lake.
Street
main
things
to
note
here
is
that
on
Lake
Street,
the
building
is
going
to
present
itself
as
a
four-story
building.
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
we
got
our
ground
floor
and
parking
area
and
then
three
levels
of
residential
above
same
thing
that
we're
showcasing
here.
F
We
have
a
ground
floor
sort
of
in
from
this
view,
this
would
be
the
the
lobby
and
Community
spaces
on
the
ground
floor
and
then
three
levels
of
residential
above
and
just
to
Megan
noted
that
we
had
a
five-story
building
and
some
of
the
the
height
numbers
there.
F
F
What
most
of
the
public
will
view
this
building
for
this
view
here
and
this
view
here,
it's
presenting
itself
as
a
four-story
building,
but
we
do
have
one
area
in
the
site
where
the
grade
drops
off,
and
that
is
where
we
have
the
basically
that's
where
the
height
variance
is
at
its
most
significant
and
that's
where
we
are
end
up
having
a
fifth
Story
just
to
Showcase
that
a
little
bit
further
I'm
gonna,
hopefully
spin
around
our
model
here.
F
If
we
were
in
person,
I
would
show
you
a
physical
model
that
we
had
3D
printed.
It
shows
the
story
well,
but
hopefully
this
works.
So
this
is
that
view
from
Lake
Street
again
we
can
count
the
stories
here.
There's
four
stories:
there's
probably
a
slight
delay
here,
so
try
to
do
this
as
efficiently
as
possible,
as
we
spin
around
to
the
north
side
of
the
building.
F
You
can
see
that
we
have
a
stairwell
and
a
retaining
wall
and
grade
drops
off
pretty
significantly
in
this
northwest
corner,
and
this
is
where
the
five
stories
and
the
most
extreme
height
and
feet
exist,
but
again
that
that
is
really
just
limited
to
this
portion.
So
the
grade
comes
back
up
as
you
get
towards
Lake
Street
and
if
I
continue
to
spin
around
here.
What
we're
presented
with
on
Lake
Street
is
a
one
level
first
floor.
E
F
Yeah,
so
thank
you.
Laura
I
almost
forgot
to
mention
that
there
is
a
open-air
roof
Terrace
at
that
corner.
So
even
if
you
were
sort
of
out
in
the
wilderness,
there
hiking
in
those
trees-
and
you
were
looking
up
at
the
building-
you
would
actually
be
able
to
see
Skye
through
that
top
level,
and
it
would
you
know
in
some
cases
make
that
feel
a
little
bit
shorter,
as
Megan
also
mentioned
the
setback.
This
is
just
a
really
quick
and
readable
diagram
of
the
situation
that
we
have.
F
We
do
have
a
26
foot
and
change
setback
at
its
most,
at
its
smallest
and
because
of
the
property
line,
sort
of
angles,
and
the
building
is
straight,
it
also
transitions
to
a
46
foot
setback.
So
while
we
are,
of
course
seeking
to
set
back
for
26
feet,
it
is,
as
you
can
see
from
this
diagram
here.
F
It's
just
you
know
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
that
the
entire
building
isn't
within
26
feet,
there's
a
small
area
at
the
at
the
lower
section
and
then
the
building
obviously
sort
of
pulls
away
from
the
property
line
as
it
moves
East.
F
We
spent
a
little
bit
of
time
talking
about
this
in
our
write-up.
We
just
Justified
a
little
bit
of
some
of
these.
These
high
considerations
a
little
bit
further.
F
We
have
with
sort
of
modern
residential
construction.
We
have
an
11
foot
floor
to
floor,
which
results
in
a
44
foot
tall
building,
so
I've
been
mentioning
and
showing
the
four-story
version
of
the
building,
as
it
wraps
around
the
site
in
most
areas
where
pedestrians
and
the
public
would
view
it.
F
That
does
add
up
to
44
feet
and
if
there's
any
concerns
with
that,
it's
really
just
related
to
modern
day
Construction,
Technologies
and
multi-family
buildings.
So,
as
I
said
previously,
we're
really
trying
to
have
this
project
present
as
a
four-story
building.
F
Most
of
it
is
44
feet,
which
would
still
be
above
the
height
limitation,
but,
as
I
said,
most
of
the
building
is
four
stories
44
feet
and
with
really
just
that
northwest
corner
being
the
area
where
all
of
the
dominoes
fall,
Force
us
into
a
five-story
building
and
force
us
into
the
the
greatest
height
variance
in
feet.
F
And
then
we
just
have
a
couple
of
other
images
here,
just
showing
you
know.
We
had
put
this
together
for
one
of
the
playing
board
meetings,
but
wanted
to
show
this
year
there's
a
lot
of
growth
in
here
on
the
city-owned
property.
So
the
building
itself
will
be
somewhat
minimized
by
that
as
you're
coming
up
the
hill-
and
you
know,
of
course,
this
view
here
again
mostly
presented
as
a
four-story
building.
E
No,
we
did
we've
been
discussing
the
development
agreement
and
it's
a
signed
document
with
the
CD
attorneys.
The
request
from
the
city
is
that
it's
only
until,
like
the
end
of
the
the
sunlight,
so
it's
safe
for
everyone,
so
it's
I
believe
it's
from
8
A.M
until
the
sunset.
A
Do
anything
oh
I
write
these
three
questions.
I'm
still
thinking
of
some
I
I'm
embarrassed
I
have
to
ask
about
this,
but
I
thought
all
reconstruction
was
required
to
build
sidewalks.
Is
that
right,
man?
Okay?
So
the
fact
that
they're
building
the
sidewalk
is
not
forgiving
will
be
significant,
I,
don't
think
of
all
new
construction
as
I
want,
because
it's
pretty
hard
to
have
silence
so
I'm
curious
about
coming
and
who
will
be
responsible
for
maintaining
that
bridge.
A
The
conscience,
construction
and
I
also
like
to
know
what
why
the
developers
feel
they're
driven
to
ask
for
these
the
height
in
the
area
of
errands.
What
constraints
do
they
feel
like
they
could
not
overcome
in
order
to
conform
to
the
current
Zone.
E
So
to
address
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
our
parcel,
we
would
be
required
to
do
yes,
the
purse,
the
the
extension
it's
actually
further
down,
so
it
would,
it
wouldn't
be
necessarily
a
requirement,
but
it
was
something
that
the
planning
board
suggested
and
we
work
with
the
city
to
make
that
happen
and
in
terms
of
the
variances
and
Eric.
If
you
feel
like
you
have
more
to
say,
let
me
know,
but
we
were
really
trying
to
make
this
project
without
the
variances.
E
E
There
are
limitations
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
units
that
we
can
that
we
were
able
to
provide
to
make
the
project
visible.
As
I
mentioned.
There
are
some
extra
costs
on
this
project
specifically
related
to
the
Brownfield
cleanup.
E
So
it
was
it's
a
project
that
was
very
thin
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
like
to
break
even
almost
like
it's
it's
a
project
that
it's
very
thin
in
comparison
to
other
projects
that
you
see
in
town
in
terms
of
the
the
height
variants.
That
was
also
very
a
lot
discussed
during
the
planning
board
meeting
because,
as
with
especially
now
with
the
green
meal
deal
and
some
of
the
requirements
to
make
the
buildings
more
efficient,
the
floor
to
ceiling
the
floor
to
floor.
Heights
are
getting
really
tight.
E
The
space
between
the
floor
and
the
ceiling
to
accommodate
all
the
Mechanicals
that
we
need
to
provide
and
that's
why
we're
seeing
more
of
this
11
feet,
height
and
Eric.
If
you
want
to
explore
that
and
elaborate
more
on
that,
but
we
even
confirm
with
some
other
Architects
on
the
board
and
they
they
agreed
with
that
statement.
But.
F
Yeah
I
think
I
think
the
the
11
foot
you
know,
there's
a
40-foot
four-story
requirement,
I
think.
Additionally,
in
the
plain
board
language
that
is
a
very
difficult
thing
to
achieve
with
the
new
green
programs
and
Energy
Efficiency
a
10-foot
floor
to
floor
is
is
difficult
to
achieve
in
sort
of
modern
Construction
Technologies
when
you
factor
those
pieces
in
so
11
foot
Florida
floor
is
very
typical,
which
is
kind
of
why
you
know
we.
F
We
really
tried
our
best
to
to
have
this
building
present
as
a
four-story,
albeit
44,
feet
tall,
but
a
four-story
44
foot
tall
building
in
as
many
places
as
we
can
and
really.
The
only
reason
why
we
have
to
classify
this
as
a
four-story
build
sorry
as
a
five-story
building
and
give
you
that
higher
number,
that's
close
to
50
feet
is
because
how
of
how
far
down
below
the
Lake
Street
elevation
the
northwest
corner
is
so
I,
don't
remember
what
the
percentage
was
I
think
it
was
submitted
in
the
original
zoning
materials.
F
But
the
majority
of
the
percent
of
the
facade
is
a
44
foot
tall,
four-story
building
and
then,
as
the
grade
tapers
off.
In
that
northwest
corner,
that's
where
you
get
all
of
those:
that's
where
you
get
the
five-story
classification
and
that's
where
you
get
the
the
average
Building
height
needing
to
be
called
50
feet
or
whatever
it
is
whatever
the
number
was.
F
So
as
far
as
you
know
why
we
can't
overcome
this.
You
know
we
tried
to
cite
this
building
in
the
best
place
possible
to
keep
the
to
keep
the
overall
height
to
a
minimum
and
really
what
we
were
challenged
with
was
just
the
existing
topography
and
then
sort
of
the
realistic
construction
techniques
of
a
building
like
this,
and
that's
why
we
have
the
the
height
variants
that
we
do
and
as
far
as
the
setback
variants,
you
know
it's
it's
a
long,
similar
lines.
F
If
we
had
moved
the
building
further
up
the
site,
we
probably
wouldn't
have
had
had
the
setback
issue,
but
then
that
would
have
compounded
the
height
issue
that
we
were
also
dealing
with.
So
we
really
felt
that
studying
the
building
here
was
actually
the
the
least
impactful
as
far
as
views
and
overall
Building
height,
but
it
did
result
in
a
a
setback,
variance
as
well.
C
I
Thanks
Andre,
so
in
the
11
foot
Florida
floor,
I
mean
what
it's
one
foot
thick
eye,
joists
or
I
mean.
Can
you
just
the
Mechanicals
dropped?
I
mean
these
you're
using
Mini
Splits
right.
So
no.
F
We're
not
using
we're
not
using
Mini
Splits
on
this
one.
This
project
has
ventilation,
ductwork
and
all
of
that
associated
with
it,
so
we're
actually
using
open
web
floor
trusses
and
thankfully
the
ductwork
can
fit
in
there,
but
obviously
those
open
web
floor
trusses
are
a
little
bit
deeper
than
I
joists.
F
So
what
we
end
up
with
is
an
eight
foot
and
eight
foot.
Six
I
want
to
say
ceiling
inside
of
the
apartments
and
the
11
foot
Florida
floor
is
phenomenal,
I
think
it's
like
10
foot,
10
and
1
8,
or
something
that
has
to
do
with
the
wood
framing
sizes,
but
essentially
we
have
what
I
would
classify
as
like
a
normal
ceiling
height
in
the
apartments,
we're
not
providing
any
sort
of
like
luxury
ceiling
height,
and
that's
where
the
11
foot
Florida
floor
comes
from.
F
F
I
Okay,
so
it's
a
it's
a
market
component,
okay
and
then,
if
you
were
to
just
if
you
were
to
to
make
the
rear
yard
setback
comply,
how
many
units
would
you
lose.
F
I
F
I
I
don't
know
if
I
would
say
that
exactly
you
know,
there's
definitely
a
unit
mix
that
makes
the
project
pencil,
but
the
reason
that
the
building
is
cited
where
it
is,
is
there's
a
lot
of
Bedrock
on
the
site
that
we're
trying
to
avoid
so
that
would
have
been
disrupted.
The
construction
would
have
been
more
disruptive
if
the
building
was
placed
elsewhere
and
also
by
placing
the
building
there.
F
The
entire
building
is
actually
lower
on
the
site,
so
we
probably
could
have
slated
the
building
further
to
the
east,
but
then
that
would
have
actually
made
the
building
taller
and
it
would
have
been
a
lot
more
disruptive
construction.
So
while
there
is
a
unit
mix
that
makes
the
project
work,
the
sighting
was
actually
more
related
to
those
two
things.
I
think
because
you
know
in
reality
the
you
know,
the
77
unit
building
could
have
gone
anywhere
and
it
would
have
penciled
out,
but
I,
think
from
a
construction
intensity
and
overall
sighting
of
the
building.
I
All
right,
so
thanks
so
there's
no
is
there
a
reason
you
can't
keep
this
the
sighting
of
the
structure
and
its
shape
minus
the
feet
required
to
make
your
your
setback.
Variants
comply
no.
F
Because
we're
right
up
against
the
front
yard
setback
as
well,
so
we
we
slid
the
building
as
far
forward
as
we
could
and
as
far
down
as
we
could
to
keep.
We
prioritize
the
building
height,
I
guess
I
would
say
then
versus
the
setbacks:
okay,
prioritize,
Building,
height
and
and
removing-
and
you
know,
Excavating
significant
amounts
of
bedrock
in
favor
of
a
rear
yard.
Setback.
I
guess
is
how
I
would
maybe
describe
it
and
obviously
the
Assumption
being
that
the
rear
yard
is
city-owned
land
and
it's
sort
of
way
down
a
ravine.
I
Okay
and
then
last
question:
thanks,
can
you
do
you
have
any
renderings
of
what
the
building
looks
like
if
you're
down
at
the
bridge,
looking
at
Ithaca
Falls,
you
know
from
from
that
view
shed
right.
So
looking
up,
you
can
see
Sig,
you
know
cignu
the
Frat.
I
F
We
did
for
the
planning
board,
we
did
drive
around
and
do
a
bunch
of
views.
Let
me
look
and
while
you
guys,
if
there's
any
other
questions,
let
me
look
and
see
if
I
can
find
that
quickly.
Eric.
J
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
thing
about
the
setback
on
the
side
behind
the
property.
You
know
part
of
why
this
issue
is
is
at
play
is
because
that
land
was
part
of
the
original
parcel
was
donated
to
the
city
and
so,
like
you
know
that
kind
of
has
to
be
taken
into
consideration,
because
we
wouldn't
even
be
having
this
conversation
about
the
setback.
J
G
Beneath
it,
where
it's
hitting
five
stories,
you
know
is
most
impacted
to
people's
parking
next
door.
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
see
a
building
there.
I
don't
see
this
significant
okay.
We've
got
W
thanks,
foreign.
F
A
F
Yep,
so
at
this
we
did
this
a
long
time.
You
also
have
to
forgive
me
I'm
gonna,
have
to
remember
where
we
were
at
on
some
of
these
views,
but
this
is
adjacent
to
the
high
school
just
a
little
bit
further
back
from
this
image,
which
is
at
the
bridge,
so
you
can
see
up
there
just
barely
poking
through
the
trees.
F
This
was
another
view
that
City
requested
from
King
and
Aurora,
and
we
found
that
you
can't
actually
even
see
the
building
from
here.
We
basically
use
the
top
of
the
Smoke
Stack
in
all
these
views
to
align
everything
because
we
have
the
top
of
the
Smoke
Stack
height,
and
we
know
that
our
building
is,
you
know,
579
or
whatever
it's
above
sea
level,
so
Queen
and
Aurora
just
barely
poking
through
Lincoln
and
Tioga.
You
do
get
the
top
of
the
building
there,
the
top
couple
floors
from
there.
F
This
is
just
a
little
bit
further
up,
Lake
Street,
which
they
requested,
of
course,
we'll
see
the
building
there.
There
is
some
significant
foliage
that
screens
it
a
little
bit,
but
of
course,
you'll
see
it
from
there.
F
This
is
lower
down
on
Lake
Street,
so
as
Lake
Street
comes
down
the
hill
and
makes
the
turn
this
would
be
sort
of
looking
up
through
all
of
the
trees
across
the
parking
lots.
F
This
is
from
Willard
way
again
very
small
amount
of
the
building
that
you'd
see
there
through
all
of
this
foliage
another
view
from
Willard
way,
I
think,
literally,
that
this
small
back
there
is
all
you
end
up
seeing
this
was
a
Stuart
Ave
Bridge
did
not
could
not
see
the
building
from
that
perspective,
but
from
a
little
bit
further
up,
Stewart
Ave,
you
do
get
a
view
of
the
building
which
you
see.
K
C
Yeah
I
just
had
one
question
so
that
when
Travis
High
properties
in
2018
getting
put
up
some
renderings
on
their
plans,
they
had
sort
of
like
a
hockey
stick
kind
of
design
and
I
understand
the
like
the
general
argument
that,
like
we
could
sort
of
reconfigure
the
building
a
bit
but
then
you're,
starting
to
like
move
it
off
the
elevation
and
create
more
of
a
heightened
issue.
How
does
the
fire
lane
play
into
that
like?
F
C
F
So,
with
with
the
plan
as
it
is
designed,
the
parking
lot
is
slightly.
The
parking
Drive
aisle
is
flush
with
that
with
a
portion
there.
That
creates
a
fire
lane
right
now.
So,
if
we
were
to
you
know
when
you
go
to,
maybe
this
view
this
one,
which
would
be
better.
So
if
we
were
to
Owl
the
building
up.
F
So
if
we
were
to
tell
the
building
here,
we
would
not
be
able
to
get
the
fire
truck
turn
around
in
there,
which
is
necessary
with
this
site.
So
this
big
Plaza
that
you
see
here
a
fire
truck,
can
actually
maneuver
in
this
area
and
turn
around.
So
if
we
were
to
El
the
building
and
the
fire
truck
needs
to
go
all
the
way
down
into
this
corner
here.
F
So
if
we
were
to
Owl
the
building
and
keep
off
of
the
step
back
line,
then
we
would
have
a
dead
end
limit
for
the
fire
lane
and
that's
that
it
is
code
required
that
at
this
depth
we
need
to
provide
a
turnaround
at
the
end
of
it.
So
if
we
did
do
that
owl
we
would
be
in
violation
of
that.
Unfortunately,
we
didn't.
C
C
Smaller
trucks,
I'm
trying
to
think
and
so
and
with
the
at
what
point
in
the
building
does
it
become
an
air?
Was
it
the
does?
The
basement
become
a
story
and
out
of
curiosity,
are
there
any
Apartments
actually
in
that
basement
area?
Or
is
it
just
like
a.
F
Gym
or
yeah
yeah
the
basement
is
all
parking,
so
the
well
there's
some
mechanical
rooms.
There's
bike
storage,
there's
a
couple
of
other
things
down
there,
but
it's
all
parking,
no
Apartments
down
there.
So
I
Megan
may
have
to
remind
me
here
because
I
know
that
the
zoning
definition
of
a
story
is
slightly
different
than
the
zoning
than
than
the
building
codes.
Definition
of
story,
but
I
think
building.
F
Code
standpoint,
we
only
have
a
very
there's,
only
a
very
small
portion
of
that
corner
that
would
classify
it
as
five
stories
and
that
comes
into
play
when
the
there
is
more
than
12
feet
of
that
basement
exposed,
which
really
only
happens
in
a
very
small
portion
of
this
elevation.
So
if
you
can
see
here,
you
know
basically
from
this
point
where
this
door
is
to
here.
That's
where
we
have
five
stories.
C
F
Think
we
would
be
I,
think
it
would
be
yeah
I
mean
I.
Guess
yes,
conceptually
speaking
and
and
we
kind
of
did,
try
to
do
that
again.
We
we
tried
to
cut
away
the
building.
Slightly
I
mean
this
flat
elevation.
It
doesn't
you
can't
tell
that
that
roof
Terrace
is
there,
but
there
is
a
cutaway
there
to
try
to
make
it
feel
like
it's
four
stories,
but
there
is
this
section
here
where
this
door
is
where
there's
still
five
stories.
H
I
wanted
yeah
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
current
Environmental
Financial
aspect
of
this
between
I
think
it
just
came
out
today
and
the
voice
that
there's
abatements
being
sought.
Other
Financial
relief
being
sought
for
the
cleanup.
That's
going
to
be
need
need
to
be
done
for
that,
so
how
much
is
being
offset
based
on,
what's
being
sought
from
the
community
versus?
What's
being
outlaid
by
you,
guys.
E
So
we
are
paying
for
the
three
million
dollars
of
the
cleanup
that
is
cleanup
already
approved
by
DC,
and
we
are
looking
for
tax,
abatements
and
I
believe
that
would
be
3.5
million
dollars
in
tax
in
taxes
generated
by
this
project
over
the
next
10
years.
As
part
of
the
tax
debate,
the
the
tax
abatement
we
are
asked
we
are
also
paying
for
more
than
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
the
affordable
housing
fund.
E
Does
that
answer
your
question?
I,
don't
know
what
what
else
you're
asking.
J
J
That
was
done
so
that
was
done
when
Ross
Travis
still
had
it
roughly
before
it
got,
you
know,
acquired
it.
It's
that's
part
of
the
you
know.
History
of
this
thing
is
that
three
developers
over
the
last
you
know
20
some
years,
have
all
attempted
to
develop
this
project
and
for
a
variety
of
different
reasons.
L
J
But
you
know
by
all
accounts,
I
think
that
you
know
this
is
a
win-win
for
the
city.
We
can
get.
You
know
an
environmentally
toxic.
You
know
site
cleaned
up.
We
have
a
good
plan
to
you,
know
return
the
property
to
use
extended
to
January
tax
revenue
like
it
should
proceed
and
I
think
that
in
the
grand
scheme
of
thing,
what
we're
asking
for
is
fairly
minimal.
In
terms
of
you
know
the
various
requests
so
unless.
B
So
we
have
several
people
sign
up
to
speak,
but
I
believe
everyone
is
who
signed
up
to
speak
as
with
July,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
folks
in
the
audience
had
signed
up
okay.
So
the
only
public
comment
or
from
the
comment
from
interest
to
parties
you've
received
was
that
it
was
sent
by
email.
There
was
a
letter
in
opposition
to
the
request
from
gamma
Theta,
the
Property
association.
B
G
Know:
okay,
I
know
exactly
what
that
building
is
and
to
be
able
to
solve
the
perspectives
a
hard
time,
believing
that
significantly
impacts
therapy.
G
It
was
a
house
down
below
it
that
is
more
impacted,
but
the
fraternity
and
no
I'm
doing
this.
Thank.
B
You
so
we'll
be
out
in
the
public
in
other
comments,
so
this
was
not
subject
to
review
by
the
county
in
terms
of
environmental
review.
The
planning
board-
this
is
a
type
one
action,
part
of
which
is
the
variances
in
the
planning
and
development
award,
acting
as
lead
agency
made
a
negative
determination
of
environmental
significance
on
December
20th
2022.,
and
then
they
provided
the
following
recommendation
on
the
variance
requests.
The
planning
board
supports
this,
this
variance
map
I'm.
Sorry,
let
me
pull
that
up
I'll,
let
down
and
ask
her
questions.
A
Well,
I'm
confused
by
that
conversations
and
Eric
about
the
height
is
feeling
height.
So
is
it
that
the
room
needs
eight
feet
and
then
you
need
three
feet
or
Mechanicals
to
make
a
total
of
11
feet.
Or
are
you
saying
it's
a
matter
of
design
choice
that
you
need
that
much
height
I
was
confused
by
that.
F
I
guess
it's
a
combination
of
both,
so
if
we
didn't
have,
if
we
weren't
trying
to
minimize
the
height
of
this
building,
we
would
have
had
nine
foot
ceilings
and
then
two
foot
and
change
of
floor
structure,
which
would
have
resulted
in
the
11
foot
ceiling
that
we
have.
We
have
been
saying
11
foot,
but
we
actually
I
would
say
that
that's
like
a
nominal
floor
to
floor
height
our
floor
to
floor
height
is
actually
like
10
foot,
10
and
some
change.
F
And
then
we
have
like
a
two
foot
two
floor
structure
which
results
in
like
that
eight
and
eight
foot,
six
ceiling
height,
so
I
I.
Guess
it's
sort
of
a
little
bit
of
both
we're
trying
to
maximize
the
ceiling
height,
while
also
keeping
the
building
a
short,
reasonably
possible.
A
B
The
league
agency
supports
the
two
height
variances
and
B,
and
storages
of
topography
on
the
site
is
very
variable,
which
has
the
effect
of
the
building
presenting
pilot
barely
as
a
four-story
building.
They
also
find
11
foot
forward.
Ratio
is
now
outside
of
the
norm
and
is
Justified
as
it
includes
this
of
this
page
for
the
ductwork
lights
Etc.
This
adds
to
the
height
of
the
building.
B
The
lead
agency
also
also
indicates,
and
emphasizes
the
public
access
to
the
gorge,
the
public
bridge
and
Overlook,
the
sidewalk
extension
of
Lake
Street
and
the
cleanup
of
this
site
are
all
and
the
applicants
expense
so
having
a
taller,
Building
Group.
Also,
the
expenses
of
these
Community
benefits.
The
lead
agency,
finds
that
the
rear
yard
variance
is
mitigated
by
the
large
grade
difference
between
this
site
and
enjoyable
property,
so
that
it
minimizes
any
impact
to
the
adjacent
property.
B
G
G
I've
watched
the
site
for
25
years
or
something
I
do
Wonder
in
the
past.
It
has
been
very
difficult
to
meet
at
this
time.
So
I
hope
this
plan
is
substantial
enough
to
do
it.
I
don't
see
the
Flora
patient
issue
as
significant
I.
Don't
have
any
problems.
D
B
So,
like
a
lot
of
things
that
don't
necessarily
fit
neatly
into
the
criteria,
I
think
your
overall
mission
is
to
weigh
the
benefit
to
the
applicant
against
any
detriment
to
the
community
and,
in
this
case,
I
couldn't
be
considered
more
of
a
positive
for
the
community
to
have
the
site,
cleaned
up
and
I
think
too,
and
certainly
that
the
when
you
think
about
for
the
applicants,
the
as
it
relates
to
the
cost
and
such
as
having
perhaps
not
having
to
remove
an
extra
story
in
the
building,
which
is
what
the
without
the
variance
there
have
to
be.
B
There's
some
Creative
Design
work
or
the
variance
if
that
is
a
benefit
to
the
applicant
and
that
it
helps
offset
some
of
the
costs
that
they'll
occurred.
So
those
are
two
general
ways
you
could
look
at
it.
B
D
D
The
topography
certainly
makes
this
a
much
more
difficult
site
to
work
on,
along
with
the
environmental
cleanup.
So
I
can
see
how
trying
to
make
it
fit
within
the
buy
right
scenario.
D
Is
what
they
attempted
to
do,
but
the
photography
makes
it
difficult
and
then
to
chart
stuff
off
which
would
hurt
the
finance
overall
finances
of
the
building
was
part
of
will
kind
of
be
going
to
clean
up,
but
now
we're
relieved
from
the
county
being
sought,
but
I
do
think.
It
is
overall
mitigation
to
the
requested
variances
and
the
rear
yard
setback.
I'm
really
not
worried
about
the
rift.
No.
H
D
It
but
like
sure,
but
yeah
like
it
I'm
overall
I'm
fine
with
this,
the
Topography
is
there
it's
good
to
get
this
site
cleaned
up
and
and
to
use
that
it
had
been
for
generations
and
not
content
foreign.
A
Problematic
space
building
housing,
I
I,
wish
it
could
be
done
without
the
variances
I
would
like
to
know.
I
want
to
clarify
two
things
so
making
the
only
comment
from
a
neighbor
was
from
the
opportunity,
not
from
any
of
those
houses
nearby.
B
A
Is
it
possible
to
have
some
kind
of
context
about
how
big
the
old
factory
was
I
think
that
that
might
help
with
this?
In
a
historical
perspective,
I
mean
it
was
pretty
big
I
wasn't
in
Ithaca,
very
long,
I
don't
well.
No,
it
was
still
there
when
I
moved
here.
A
F
I
think
I
I
am
I'm
going
to
try
to
verify
this.
While
we
continue
talking
here
but
I'm,
pretty
sure
that
the
height
restriction
that
we
have
separate
from
zoning,
which
is
which
is
a
580
foot,
absolute
height
restriction,
is
because
that's
where
the
old
factory
was-
or
at
least
that's
where
part
the
highest
part
of
the
old
factory
was
so
separate
from
zoning
requirements.
F
We
actually
have
a
deed
restriction
on
this
building,
which
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
building
is
a
little
bit
shorter,
just
slightly
shorter
than
what
I
would
call
normal
construction.
F
We
actually
can't
be
above
580,
regardless
of
what
zoning
says
and
I
believe
I'm
fairly
certain
that
that's
because
that's
where
the
old
factory
was
so
there's
a
deed
restriction
to
preserve
a
neighbor
up
on
the
Hills
views
that
they
had
before
the
factory
came
down
and
before
any
Redevelopment
was
done
here.
So
we
have
to
comply
with
that
and
I'm
pretty
sure.
So
our
building
is
four
stories
but
I
believe
it's
the
same
height
somebody's
got
that
there
maybe.
J
Yeah
their
air
is
correct,
that
that
was
a
part
of
you
know,
one
of
the
many
negotiations
that
I
I
believe
that
was
the
1989
stipulation
with
Peter
Bloom,
who
has
the
property
to
the
east.
E
Can
you
see
my
screen
at
least
the
the
size
of
the
factory?
This
is
the
survey.
F
I
I
I
would
say
that
in
a
motion
we
should
just
highlight
the
substantiality
of
the
rear
yard
setback
and
even
the
extra
floor,
but
that
the
uniqueness
of
the
site,
coupled
with
the
uniqueness
of
the
substantial
Community
benefit,
outweighs
any
adverse
negative
impacts
are
perceived
so
I
do
I.
You
know,
I
was
more
concerned
about
the
the
rear
yard
setback,
but
the
the
donated
our
soul
brought
into
that's.
Also
a
very
unique
characteristic,
I
think
so.
I'm
I'm
I'll
be
voting
yes
for
this.
If
there's
a
motion.
C
I
agree
with
David
and
I
think
the
main
consideration
I
have
about
the
unique
characteristics
of
the
diet.
The
typography
obviously
mattered,
but
you
know
also
because
it's
sort
of
a
long,
narrow
site
and
the
challenges
of
a
fire
lane
access
back
there
I
think
it's
difficult
to
sort
of
do
like
a
hockey
shaped
building,
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
reasonableness
in
this
proposal
in
terms
of
front
yard
setback,
side
yard
set
back.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
excess
set
back
when
you
look
to
the
east.
C
But
again
you
have
that
higher
Lane
there
they're
right
at
I,
think
it
is
30
point
34.9,
lock
coverage
yeah,
they
didn't
come
to
us
as
like
a
Brownfield.
You
got
to
get
this
50
or
it
didn't
come
into
the
factory
with
50
to
give
us
50,
but
I
think
that's
pretty
reasonable
and
I
guess
if
they
still,
if
they
hadn't
donated
that
property
to
the
city,
all
previous
owners
had
donated
to
the
city.
A
D
Right
so
I'm
making
a
motion
to
Grant
variance
number
three,
two
three
four
one:
twenty
one
to
125
Lake
Street.
The
factors
considered
whether
an
undesirable
change
would
be
produced
in
the
character,
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
a
detriment
to
nearby
properties.
D
The
proposed
project
is
located
on
part
of
the
former
I
think
the
gun
Factory
site.
The
immediate
vicinity
is
home
to
single
and
two
family
homes.
Local
dwellings,
including
a
five-story
apartment,
complex,
a
large
surface
parking
lot
and
that
falls
Natural
Area
the
board
finds
that,
due
to
the
Steep
Topography
of
this
site,
the
additional
story
and
the
additional
height
and
feet
will
not
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
neighborhood
or
nearby
properties.
D
With
regard
to
the
rear
yard
variants,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
26
foot,
rear
yard
that
will
be
located
adjacent
to
the
falls
Natural
Area.
The
board
does
not
identify
any
detriment
to
nearby
Properties
or
the
neighborhood.
From
this
request,
whether
the
benefits
sought
by
the
applicant
can
be
achieved
by
a
feasible
alternative
to
the
variance
the
applicant.
D
The
applicant
has
demonstrated
that
there
is
no
feasible
alternative
to
the
variance
they've
moved
it
in
such
a
fashion
as
to
place
it
to
interfere
with
or
to
not
interfere
with
neighbors
and
to
minimize
the
request
of
the
variants,
both
the
rear
yard.
By
setting
it
is
far
over
where
no
one
can
really.
M
D
And
sliding
the
building
so
that
the
Topography
is
really
what's
causing
the
need
for
the
five
stories
and
height
variants.
Whether
they're,
requested
variance
is
substantial.
The
applicant
is
seeking
one
additional
story
and
nine
feet
additional
and
nine
additional
feat
of
Building
height.
These
are
deficiencies
of
25
and
23
respectively.
While
these
are
proportionally
substantial
requests,
the
additional
height
is
due
primarily
to
the
Steep
Topography
of
the
site.
D
Due
to
the
slope,
only
a
portion
of
the
building
exceeds
the
maximum
height
requirements
and
Visually
most
of
the
building
will
appear
to
be
a
four-story
structure.
The
applicant
is
also
seeking
a
rear
yard
barriers
of
23.4
feet
or
40
percent
47
of
the
required
rear
yard.
Well,
this
is
proportionally
a
substantial
request.
The
rear
yard
is
located
immediately
adjacent
to
the
Ithaca
Falls
Natural
Area.
D
D
Would
the
variants
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
or
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood?
Realistically
I'm,
probably
going
to
say
no
to
this.
The
environmental
cleanup
alone
is
such
a
substantial
win
for
the
overall
community.
D
That
I
don't
think
anybody
could
say
that
that
there
would
be
an
adverse
impact
on
the
environmental
conditions,
the
physical
conditions
as
well,
the
propellant
the
African,
has
done
everything
they
can
to
mitigate
the
physical
impacts
on
the
neighborhood,
but
the
location
and
degrees
to
which
they're
asking
for
the
variants
whether
the
alleged
difficulty
was
self-created,
while
typically
they
always
aren't
again.
This
group
has
moved.
H
I
B
C
B
So
our
next
studio
is
number
3247
for
309
East,
Lincoln,
Street,
appeal
of
property
owner
rent
page
for
an
application
for
previously
granted
use
variant
from
the
325A
comma
one
permitted
for
you
can
come
up
with
the
permitted
primaries,
so
the
zoning
ordinance,
the
property
09311
East
Lincoln
Street
has
multiple
commercial
spaces,
including
a
hair
salon,
a
professional
office
and
a
restaurant.
The
property
is
located
in
the
r2b
district
in
which
commercial
uses
are
not
permitted,
but
all
of
the
non-conforming
uses
on
site
have
been
committed
by
either
a
new
experience
or
a
special
permit.
B
The
Lincoln
Street
Diner,
located
at
309
East
Lincoln
Street,
the
operating
Center
historians
for
a
restaurant
use
that
was
granted
in
August
1963..
This
variance
was
conditioned
on
one,
the
restaurant
closing
at
8
pm
in
terms
of
restaurant
being
closed
on
Sundays.
The
applicant
now
seeks
the
modification
of
this
submission
to
allow
the
restaurant
to
operate
70s
a
week.
K
And
Zach
my
son,
we
own
the
Lincoln,
Street
properties
and
then
Chris,
O'brien
and
Amy
are
the
business
owners.
K
I
was
here
last
week
doing
the
same
exact
thing
with
the
planning
board
getting
the
salon
hours
extended
so
that
the
salon
business
owner
could
actually
the
for
with
his
clients
on
hours
that
fit
their
schedule.
So
this
is
really
a
straightforward
request.
K
K
These
guys
moving
this
forward
so
and
then
Chris
I'm
sure
is
going
to
be
happy
about
having
all
those
guests
coming
on
Sundays
at
the
diner,
oh
yeah,
so
I'll
make
this
real
bad
I
mean
we're
we're
basically
asking
that
The
Diner
hours
the
extended
in
sports
Sundays
today
the
diner
is
open,
really
Tuesday
through
Saturday,
and
it
just
makes
more
sense
and
I'll.
I'll.
K
Tell
you
why
here
in
a
minute
but
for
us
to
shift
days
and
and
get
get
the
get
the
whole
weekend
into
Chris's
revenue
cycle.
K
Just
from
a
data
perspective,
we
mailed
out
38
notices
to
Residents
within
200
feet.
We
did
get
one
opposition
which
we've
discussed
I
can
address.
We
we
also
surveyed
I,
don't
know
magazines,
you
provide
us.
K
Anyways
there's
there's
over
600
respondents
to
a
Google
survey.
We
did
to
City
of
Ithaca
I
found
at
least
82
people
there
within
that
range
in
the
Fall
Creek
area
that
responded
to
support,
but
essentially
there's
a
hundred
percent
support.
K
There
was
three
no
votes
and
they
thought
we
were
imposing
the
business
hours
on
the
business
owner
and
in
fact
the
business
owner
wants
it
so
and
then
one
person
in
the
candidate
after
she
found
out
that
wasn't
the
case
and
so
just
to
be
clear
here.
K
It
would
be
useful
if
you
did
look
at
this
data,
because
it's
pretty
compelling
people
want
Sunday
brunches
people
want
to
walk
from
church
and
go
to
the
diner,
and
it's
historically
never
been
open
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
information
in
here.
That
would
be
I
think
beneficial.
If
I
was
a
planning
board,
if
I
would
want
to
see
it,
then
Chris
had
a
survey
at
the
diner,
basically
or
just
a
support.
There
was
175
signatures
on
this
home.
Avoiding
this
again.
Some
of
them
are
clearly
in
the
Fall.
K
K
There
are
other
businesses
in
the
area
that
are
allowed
to
open
on
Sunday
as
well
and
I
realized
or
did
and
they're
in
different
zoning
things.
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
it's
a
community,
and
you
know
a
diner
in
my
mind,
makes
the
most
sense
to
be
open
on
a
Sunday.
You
know
a
diner
in
my
mind,
makes
the
most
sense
to
be
open
on
a
Sunday.
B
K
We
we
did
a
projection
forward
and
even
with
a
cost
increase,
because
you
know
you
guys
are
buying
eggs
or
meat
these
days
I
mean
it's,
it
stopped
right.
So
this
this
is.
This
is
probably
the
most
compelling
reason
why
we're
asking
for
this,
and
with
that
I'll
let
I'll.
C
Let
Chris
talk
about
it
if
he
wants.
Okay,
we've
got
we've
gone
over
the
time.
So
can
we
try
to
do
this
in
like
four
minutes.
L
If
anybody's
been
in
it
on
a
Saturday
or
during
the
weeks,
I
mean
it's
fantastic
to
see
the
community
like
Fall,
Creek
or
significant,
that's
mesh
with
the
courthouse
students,
some
of
the
college
students,
Out
of
Towners
tourists
and
just
have
a
good
time.
I
guess
you
know,
I
mean
I,
don't
know!
You
know
on
Sundays,
like
I
said
when
it's
a
excuse
me
a
church,
a
block
away,
so
I
mean
they're,
perfect
or
something
like
that.
L
G
A
G
60.,
oh
okay,
I
I
believe
it
was
looked
at
what,
through
292
years
ago,
I,
don't
think
that's
relevant
on
to
what
we
have
today.
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
this
and
I
get
this
physique
by
not
doing
the
Lincoln
Street
Diner
I
I,
just
don't
see
significant
impact
on
the
neighborhood
I
think
there
have
been
changes
since
this
was
originally
proved
60
years
ago
in
the
neighborhood,
the.
D
D
L
We
have
in
the
past
on
my
Friday
night,
fish
fries
stuff,
like
that.
D
Okay,
so,
theoretically,
if
you
really
wanted
to
like
I,
don't
want
to
say,
maliciously
comply
but
maliciously
comply,
you
could
fit
way
more
hours
than
you're.
Ultimately,
looking
for
into
what
you're
looking
right
now
visit
explicitly
about
Sunday
being
Sunday
morning
Sunday
morning,
be
a
profit
driver
for
a
better
dining
and.
I
C
Yeah,
a
couple
quick
questions,
I
mean
and
the
main
one
I'm
kind
of
thinking
about
is
sort
of
like.
Is
there
a
feastful
alternative
to
get
to
your
financial
goals
without
modifying?
Without
your
part,
you
know
having
to
do
this
variance,
you
know,
have
you
considered
being
open
later
in
the
day
and
doing
more
dinners
like?
Can
you
just
walk
me
through
questions
I.
L
Have
done
dinners
in
the
past
on
a
regular
basis,
Friday
mostly
Friday
night
fish,
fries
and
I
guess
I
could
say
at
this
point
they're
so
inconsistent
that
was
actually
getting
the
dinner
part
of
it
was
not
profitable.
We
don't
serve
alcohol,
which
is
obviously
a
draw
for
people
when
they
go
out
to
eat.
L
C
A
sole
proprietor,
so
the
net
income
is
your
own
bag.
So,
as
I
understand
it
now
you
lost
35
Grand
in
2020.,
okay,
so
and
then
in
2021
you
made
eighteen
thousand
dollars
to
take
home,
which
is
obviously
not
great.
If
things
continued,
would
you
envision
being
able
to
pass
this
business
onto
anyone
or
continuing
this?
If
we
did
not
Grant
this
variance,
would
you
be
able
to
closure
so.
L
Important
not
today,
you
know,
but
I
think
if
the
way
that
things
are
going
gradually
with
the
cause
of
food,
the
cost
of
overhead
yeah
labor,
you
know
minimum
wage
keeps
going
up
annually.
It
would
be
a
potential
possibility
to
strong
possibility.
C
Okay,
I,
don't
have
any
other
questions,
but
we're
looking
at
the
public
comment.
Do
we
have
any
speakers
signed
up.
A
M
My
name
is
Simon
12
or
I
live
at
204,
Queen
Street,
so
I
just
got
a
half
block
from
Lincoln
Street,
Diner
and
I'm
here
to
support
their
appeal.
They've
been
a
great
neighbor
and
I
believe
they've
introduced
positively
to
our
neighborhood
I've,
had
no
issues
with
noise
parking,
anything
really
other
than
the
distracting
delicious
breakfast
in
the
morning
when
it
comes
to
parking.
There
are
plenty
of
the
spots
in
the
neighborhood
and
more
on
Sundays
when
there's
no
school,
even
on
their
busiest
mornings.
M
There's
no
parking
impacts
and
I
think
it's
important
to
support
small
businesses
in
our
community
and
having
small
businesses
that
attract
customers
in
residential
areas
is
a
positive
thing.
Fall
Creek
is
a
great
place
to
live.
It's
made
better
by
the
small
businesses
that
we
have
in
the
neighborhood
and
extending
their
hours
will
not
only
benefit
by
increasing
access
to
great
food
and
a
great
community
space,
as
Chris
said,
but
also
helping
them
survive.
B
Okay,
so
we
have
another
comment.
B
Be
here,
but
so
from
Dominic
rachio,
also
of
204
Queen,
Street
I,
believe
the
diner
should
be
allowed
to
expand
their
hours
specifically
to
Sundays.
The
expansion
is
a
good
thing
for
the
business
and
for
the
neighborhood.
Our
city
is
very
walkable
and
likable,
so
I
would
couch
any
concerns
with
additional
motor
vehicle
traffic,
with
the
knowledge
that
a
significant
significant
portion
of
customers
at
the
dino
Walker,
like
there
parking
related
to
the
diner,
has
had
no
discernible
impact
on
our
block
or
the
ones
around
us.
B
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
take
a
small
action
and
have
a
big
outcome.
It
is
it's
an
opportunity
to
support
a
small
business
and
local
employer
having
the
past
worked
at
the
local
Chamber
of
Commerce
I've,
supported
and
listened
closely
to
the
struggle
Space
by
hundreds
of
small
local
businesses,
many
located
in
desirable
locations
in
many
in
the
food
service
industry.
B
This
is
a
time
when
we
should
be
supporting
small
businesses
like
Lincoln,
Street,
Diner
reason,
people,
Municipal
support
and
the
removal
unnecessary
obstacles
to
success
in
profitability
can
go
a
long
way
as
a
neighbor
I
would
support
the
approval
of
their
appeal
number
3247
from
Don
mcgregio.
We
also
sent
out
by
email.
There
were
comments
as
well.
You've
got
to
comments
and
support
from
Kate.
Remember.
B
408
East
Lincoln
Street
and
Veronica
pillow
or
1108
or
Aurora
Street,
and
then
we
have
a
letter
in
opposition
from
Pam
and
Joe
gania
308
East,
Lincoln
Street,
and
so
we
also
have
the
planning
boards
recommendation,
which
is
the
planning
board,
so
supports
this.
You
experience
modification
as
they
support
local
businesses
bill.
This
is
a
needed
good
use
in
a
residential
zone.
Is
a
community
Gathering
amenity
and
also
note
the
owner
engaged
in
community
outreach
regarding
the
variance
of
the
community
responses,
mainly
positive.
B
C
Students
do
we
have
any
more,
that's
it
correct
when
we
go
into
deliberation,
let's
go
around.
Might.
D
Yeah
I'm
on
board,
with
this
I'm,
not
worried
about
the
fact
that
they're
open
right
now
and
I've
been
there
like
it's,
not
it
doesn't
mess
with
anybody
and
like
if
you
answered
when
I
was
asking
agent,
they
wanted
to
maliciously
divide
the
people
in
way
more
hours
than
what
they're
asking
for
here.
D
So
yeah
I'm
fine.
With
this
no
objections.
I
David
yeah
I
I,
intend
to
vote
in
favor,
I
think
get
similar
to
what
other
board
members
said.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
I,
just
think.
As
a
board,
we
got
to
really
delineate
between
the
the
granting
of
an
expansion
of
a
non-conforming
use
and
the
modification
of
an
existing
non-conforming
use,
just
because
the
the
barriers
to
a
use
variance
are
pretty
prohibitive
at
the
state
level.
I
Just
how
you
know
our
criteria
is
structured,
so
I
I
think
you
know
things
to
consider
when
we
make
a
motion
here
right,
so
any
sort
of
does
the
proposed
modification
have
an
adverse
impact
that
type
of
thing
and
the
answer
I
think
we
all
think
is
no,
but
just
making
that
delineation
will
be
important.
So.
C
C
And
if
the
varying,
you
know
essentially
prevents
them
from
being
economically
viable,
that's
something
that
we
have
to
consider
and
then,
when
you
look
through
all
the
criteria,
I,
don't
think
there's
any
detriment
to
the
community.
I
think
they've
laid
out
why
there
is
no
feasible
alternative,
either
sort
of
expanding
the
hours
and
going
into
dinner.
Would
you
know
what
the
diner
is
known
for?
I
think
that
works
so
I
have
no
issues.
Anyone
on
the
board
would
like
to
submit
a
motion
either
in
favor
or
opposition.
I
want
to
make.
G
One
more
commentary:
the
world
has
changed
substantially
since
this
was
imposed
in
1963..
Typically,
businesses
were
closed
one
day
a
week.
Typically,
restaurants
and
fast
food
was
not
present,
most
of
them
open
at
6am
and
closed
at
midnight
or
had
greatly
expanded
hours.
So
that
to
me
is
reason
enough
to
change
the
world.
This
isn't
this
wasn't
put
in
place
five
years
ago,
like.
G
Okay,
just
to
point
out
to
the
public
use
variances
are
not
typically
what
we
do.
We
do
area
variances.
Quite
often,
this
is
a
little
different
animal.
We
have
to
be
careful,
we
could
set
precedence
and
that
we
that
we
can't
Envision
what
they
are.
This
is
following
interested
parties
submitted
comments
or
spoken
of
support
where
we're
going
to
start
here.
G
This
is
an
unlisted
action
under
the
city
that
have
Environmental
Quality
with
new
ordinance
and
the
State
Environmental
Quality
review
act
that
is
subject
to
environmental
review.
The
city
of
Ithaca,
Board
and
Zoning
appeals
hereby
declares
itself
lead,
Agency
for
the
environmental
review.
The
approval
resulting
appeal,
three,
two:
four:
seven:
a
use,
variance
modifications
for
the
property
located
at
309,
East,
Lincoln
Street.
G
The
planning
board
supports
this
experience
modification
as
they
support
local
businesses,
feel.
This
is
a
needed
good
use
and
residential
Zone.
It's
a
community
Gathering
amenity
and
also
know
that
owner
engaged
include
the
Outreach
regarding
this
variance
and
the
community
response
was
mainly
positive.
The
planning
board
finds
no
long-term
negative
impacts
to
planning
Ithaca
landmarks
preservation.
Commission
is
not
applicable
here
and
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
to
Grant
the
variance
number
3247
at
309
East
Lincoln.
G
The
factors
that
we've
considered
whether
the
proposed
desirable
impact,
an
undesirable
impact
on
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
the
health,
safety
or
welfare
of
the
community.
No,
it's
a
proposed
application
to
allow
the
diner
to
operate
seven
days
a
week
instead
of
the
current
six
days
of
operation,
no
expand
into
the
existing
restaurant
or
other
physical
things
for
the
property
or
composed
I.
G
B
Apparently,
suggestions
in
the
titles
so
I
think
you
could
delete
the
first
Clause
there
well
and
just
start
that
sentence
of
the
wording
of
the
Syrian
specifically
remember.
That's
in
women's
hours
specifically.
G
The
condition
of
the
1963
experience
specifically
limits
the
diner
to
operate
Monday
through
Saturday.
Okay,
the
owner
is
proposing
the
ability
to
operate
in
seven
days
per
week.
I'm
not
going
to
put
in
they
have
a
plan
to
operate.
Six
I
don't
want
to
confuse
the
issue.
G
One
of
the
proposed
modification
will
significantly
alter
the
mitigation
of
the
original
variants
sought
to
achieve
no,
the
condition
to
limit
the
hours
and
days
of
operation
was
adopted
by
the
BCA,
upon
approval
to
the
use
variants
in
1963
to
help
offset
the
business
impacts
of
an
expanded
restaurant
on
the
immediate
residential
neighborhood.
The
elimination
of
this
condition
was
significantly
lead,
alter
the
mitigation
that
the
original
variant
side
can
achieve.
However,
the
board
finds
that
the
original
mitigation
is.
H
G
Whether
the
neighborhood
or
property
has
changed
significantly
since
the
variance
was
granted
sector
modifying
the
condition
is
now
appropriate.
Yes,
the
uses
in
physical
characteristics
of
the
neighborhood
have
not
changed
significantly
since
the
variant
was
granted.
However,
there
is
now
a
stronger
acceptance
of
an
even
desire
for
small
businesses
that
serve
the
neighborhood
to
be
located
within
or
near
residential
areas.
The
Lincoln
Street
Diner
is
an
established
local
business
and
certain
Community
for
many
years.
G
B
B
Is
funny
Mr
Kirby
yep?
Yes,
yes,
congratulations.
Your
various
medication
has
been
granted.
You
will
receive
a
written
copy
of
this
for
me
for
your
files
within
the
week.
B
Area
variances,
as
well
as
some
telecommunications
modifications,
not
new
installations,.
A
B
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
again,
we
don't
have
the
agenda
all
the
materials
for
April
yet
but
I,
don't
think
we'll
pay
too
dearly
for
not
having
the
March
meeting,
which
is
always
a
concern.
So.