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And
planning
and
development
board
public
hearings
encouraging
include
testimony
from
quote
interested
parties.
The
board
considers
interested
parties,
persons
who
live
work
or
own
property
within
750
feet
of
the
property,
where
authorized
representatives
that
recognize
adjacent
neighborhood,
Civic
groups
or
who
are
elected.
City
officials
board
members,
May
question
testifying
interested
parties
on
any
areas
requiring
clarification.
F
D
F
Filed
with
the
zoning
division,
correspondence
relating
to
cases
received
by
the
zoning
division,
the
planning
and
development
for
its
own
findings
and
recommendations.
If
any
and
the
record
of
tonight's
meeting,
an
audio
recording
is
being
made
of
this
meeting,
therefore
it
is
essential
anyone
wanting
to
be
heard
comes
forward
and
speaks
directly
into
a
microphone.
So
their
comments
are
recorded
and
heard
by
all
presidents.
Extraneous
comments
from
the
audience
will
neither
be
recorded
nor
considered
by
the.
D
D
Advanced
rebuttal,
the
appeal
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
board
will
begin
the
alliteration.
The
board
is
required
to
render
a
decision
within
62
days
of
the
public
hearings
closure
once
the
hearing
is
closed.
No
further
testimony
will
be
taken.
It
takes
three
votes
to
approval
motion
to
Grant,
a
variance
of
favorable
interpretation.
F
D
G
G
Proposes
to
install
seven
new
wireless
facilities
on
utility
poles
within
the
city's
right-of-way
at
the
locations
nearest
to
the
properties
noted
above
the
city's
telecommunications
ordinance.
Article
5A
of
the
zoning
ordinance
requires
that
all
personal
wireless
service
facilities
be
located
one
at
least
1500
feet
from
all
other
pwsf
and
to
at
least
250
feet
from
all
residences,
schools
and
daycare
facilities.
The
applicant
is
Seeking
a
variance
from
these
setback
requirements
for
the
proposed
location.
B
G
Applecam
represented
this
appeal
at
the
December
6th
of
2022
bza
meeting
and
requested
the
continuation
of
the
appeal
at
the
January
3rd
2023
meeting
to
allow
time
to
submit
additional
information
requested
by
the
city's
telecommunications
ordinance.
The
public
hearing
was
opened
at
the
December
meeting
and
remains
open
for
testimony
for
new
interested
parties
at
the
January
3rd
meeting.
C
Good
evening,
everyone,
the
board,
has
asked
me
to
give
a
small
presentation
about
kind
of
where
we
are
perceived
early
in
this
process.
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
public
interest
and
donate
ordinance.
It's
not
not
straightforward,
so
I
think
this
would
be
helpful
depending
to
orient
to
where
we
are.
C
My
name
is
Victor
Kessler
I'm,
an
assistant
attorney
here
for
the
city
of
Ithaca
I'm,
also
Catholic
the
board
of
Zone
in
the
fields,
so,
as
you
all
know,
in
October
2021
common
Council
and
manage
the
cities
or
zoning
ordinance
with
some
specific
vertebrates
and
requirements
relating
to
the
approval
of
personal
wireless
service
facilities,
which
you
might
hear
people
refer
to
as
ewsx
or
Wireless
facility
tonight.
C
These
events
were
coded
by
a
codified
at
article
5am
zoning
ordinance,
which
started
that
section
325-29.4
in
the
city
code,
the
zoning
code,
including
these
telecoms
Provisions,
are
administered
by
City
Planning
theft
and
the
VGA
uba
is
not
a
policy
making
body.
It's
a
volunteer
board
and
it's
made
of
the
members
of
the
community,
we're
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
confirmed
by
Council.
His
jurisdiction
is
limited
to
zoning
issues.
C
Bzn
planning
to
implement
the
zoning
laws
of
their
pass
by
Council,
and
they
are
also
subject
to
various
requirements
of
New,
York,
state
and
federal
law.
In
other
words,
easy.
It
doesn't
write
the
rules,
it
just
applies
them
to
different
situations,
and
that's
what
they'll
be
doing
tonight
with
these
telecoms
provisions.
C
Turning
to
the
Telecom
specific
issues
before
us,
so
under
the
ordinance
that
common
Council
path
after
an
applicant
submits
an
application
I
think
it's
helpful
to
view
the
the
review
process.
That's
taking
place
in
a
few
phases.
C
That's
not
like
a
formal
term
under
the
code.
It's
just
kind
of
understand.
What's
going
on
with
all
the
provisions
and
what
happens
when
so,
the
first
day
of
phase
is
like
exact
level
reviewer,
so
we
received
the
application
so
that
everyone
within
City
Hall
needs
a
zombie
gets
in.
That's
already
happened
and
nothing
second
phase,
which
is
peer
classification.
C
So
that's
where
we
are
right
now,
section
325-29.7
episode
of
the
city
code
requires
that
pwsfd
classified
into
one
of
the
tiers
tier
one
is
for
pwsfs
that
are
based
on
either
existing
or
new
utility
poles.
Like
the
phone
call
power
polls,
street
lights,
traffic
lights,
that
sort
of
thing
tonight,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
put
these
facilities
on
tonight.
C
You
will
have
routines
and
tier
three
for
what
people
tend
to
think
of
as
cell
phone
Powers
among
holes
is
an
example
size
and
there
are
some
additional
regulations
for
those
one
large
facilities.
C
So
that's
where
we
are
we're
in
the
second
phase,
trying
to
determine
what
tier
the
application
is
in
in
the
third
and
final
phase,
the
pwsf
application
will
be
reviewed
by
either
the
planning
department
or
the
vza.
Depending
on
what
tier
classification,
it's
in
tier
one.
Applications
are
generally
reviewed
by
the
planning
department,
tier
two
and
three
applications.
C
C
H
As
I
mentioned,
we're
now
in
the
second
phase,
tiered
classification.
C
And
this
is
where
things
get
a
little
confusing
about.
Why
we're
doing
what
we're
doing
tonight
and
the
way
that
this
is
going
to
go
going
forward
so
session
325-29.7,
which
is
about
pwsf
classification,
said
that
in
order
to
fit
into
any
one
of
these
three
tiers
for
review,
a
pwsf
must
meet
all
location
standards,
citing
standards,
design
standards
and
safety
standards
under
code.
C
Those
are
all
located
at
325-29.8
and
the
two
that
are
relevant
for
this
evenings
appeal,
as
Megan
said,
are
the
requirement
of
PWS
have
been
no
closer
than
250
people
that
adjacent
residence,
school
and
daycare
and
there's
a
spacing
requirement
of
1500
feet
between
facilities.
C
C
So
the
reason
that
these
are
here
before
the
visa
to
nine
is
because
common
Council
in
the
ordinance
provided
the
procedure
for
seeking
out
bearings
Within
These
requirements,
including
the
setback
requirements.
So
if
we
look
at
section
325-29.28
of
the
code,
which
is
titled,
appeals
and
variances,
it
said
that
to
request
the
variance
you
look
at
it
under
section
325-40
of
the
code,
which
is
where
the
board
of
appeals
kind
of
ordinary
variance
proceed
as
well,
and
thank
you
all
for
tuning
in
my
telecom
select
here
tonight.
C
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we've
got
all
this
information
out
for
everyone.
Thank
you.
Yeah
no
problem.
Moving
on
to
section
325-40.
C
Things
go
generally
and
specifically
as
applied
to
what
we're
doing
tonight,
we're
looking
at
the
Aryans
variant
criteria,
because
that's
what
we
use
to
apply
and
it's
very
SEC
back
there
and
it
says
the
and
that's
at
section.
325-40,
subsection,
C3,
create
overall
tests
requires
the
board
to
take
into
consideration
and
take
into
consideration
the
benefit
of
the
applicant
if
the
variance
is
branded
as
weight
against
the
detriment
to
health
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
neighborhood.
C
If
it's
granted
and
it
also
directed
the
PGA-
considers
five
specific
factors,
all
of
which
are
irrelevant,
but
none
of
which
are
conclusive
and
if
you've
been
to
a
BCA
meeting
before,
and
people
talk
about
the
feasibility
of
the
feasibility
of
Alternatives
or
the
impact
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
Those
are
the
five
factors
that
are
set
for
an
incident
and
under
New
York
state
law.
C
So
taking
this
kind
of
a
step
back
in
the
big
picture
of
things
before
an
application
can
be
either
approved
or
denied
under
the
Telecom
provision
packed
by
Council.
We
need
to
be
classified
and
before
these
particular
applications
can
be
classified,
they
require
variance
in
the
code
that
they
don't
meet.
These
standards,
common
Council
has
permitted
applicants
to
seek
these
variances
and
has
directed
easier
to
apply
its
typical
five-factor
attack
and
considering
the
variances.
C
So
that's
what
we're
doing
tonight,
I
think
one
important
corollary
point
of
that
is
that
if
the
BCAAs
should
choose
to
just
grant
the
variances
tonight,
it
does
not
mean
that
the
applications
will
necessarily
be
approved
or
that
the
disabilities
will
be
constructed.
C
It
means
that
they
will
be
classified
into
the
appropriate
tier
and
sent
to
the
decision
makers
specified
by
Council
for
that
decision
in
the
cases
tonight,
because
these
aren't
whole
number
facilities
which
the
code
classified
as
tier
one,
that
decision
maker
will
be
the
defining
director
and
finally,
the
staff,
so
the
BCA
isn't
deciding
whether
you
think
will
be
built
now
just
deciding
whether
these
bearings
is
from
these
requirements
we've
granted.
C
So
they
can
be
classified
so
and-
and
you
know
the
natural
corollaries
that
these
were
building
mounted
or
Tower
mounted
facilities,
then
the
DJ
would
be
making
the
second
determinating
about
whether
it
be
approved
or
denied
them,
because
that's
what
the
code
set
to
do,
but
because
of
the
way
that
code
classified
tier,
one
applications
which
are
whole
mounted
Finance
Act
is
the
ultimate
decision
over
there.
C
Because
we
got
a
lot
of
comments
and
questions
about
them.
One
thing
that
the
city,
including
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
cannot
consider
are
the
effects
of
radio
frequency
emissions.
There's
two
reasons
for
that:
one
is
federal
law
and
specifically
I'm,
looking
at
U.S
code,
47
us
code,
section
330
to
332
C7
and
then
various
regulations
in
case
while
interpreting
it,
which
generally
preserves
political
zoning
authority
over
the
placement
and
construction
of
dwss,
but
prohibits
local
governments
from
regulating
radio
frequency
emissions
if
the
facility
meets
the
x
sub
zero
complex.
C
The
second
is
closely
related,
which
is
that
city
law
is
consistently
reduce,
federal
requirements.
Section
325-29.19
of
the
city
code
requires
telecoms
and
applicants
to
certify
that
a
facility
as
proposed
will
comply
with
the
fct
guidelines.
But
if
the
applicant
certifies
that
then
the
city
code
itself
prohibited
staff
in
the
dza
from
conditioning
or
denying
a
PWS
on
the
basis
of
radio
frequency
impacts,
so
it's
not
just
Vandal
law.
C
It's
also
a
city
of
optimal,
considering
radio
frequency,
I
think
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
here
are
probably
concerned
about
it,
or
at
least
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
submitted
questions
that
we're
concerned
with
RF
emissions
and
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
the
board
does
not
mean
to
minimize
or
invalidate
your
concerns,
but
it
is
prohibited
by
federal
law
and
the
city
could
have
been
taking
those
concerns
into
consideration
tonight.
C
Guidelines
and
and
that's
really
not
something
that
the
board
or
the
city
has
control
over.
C
The
type
of
technology
that
is
employed
in
PWS,
the
general
layout,
but
the
city
code
and
the
BCA
are
agnostic
about
the
technology
type
I
think
tonight's
interpolations
are
supposed
to
be
4G
technology,
but
the
city
code
Recreation,
and
they
were
if
they
were
2g
or
5G
as
long
as
they
meet
those
act
criteria.
That's
what
matters
in
the
city
code!
If
that's
all
perspective
and
I'm
sure
someone
will
correct
me
if
I'm
in
fact,
you're
on
the
battle
kind
of
Technology
leaks,
are.
E
E
C
I'd
be
happy
too,
although.
C
C
Like
you
said,
I
think
these
are
4G,
but
someone's
going
to
jump
in
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I'm
sure,
but
for
the
way
the
city
code
is
is
drafted,
we
can't
discriminate
on
the
basis
of
the
type
of
Technology
there's
no
basis
under
City
want
to
do
that
and
federal
law
would
predictions
from
doing
that
anyway.
C
The
board
can't
speculate
about
what
might
happen
in
the
future
and
similarly,
the
board
is
bound
to
consider
the
submissions
made
by
the
applicant
and
by
any
interested
parties.
So
that
includes
testimony
that
folks,
you
would
be
giving
tonight
that
also
includes
winning
comments
that
have
been
submitted.
Even
if
those
comments
are
not
read
the
record
today,
please
have
been
forwarded
to
the
board
and
we'll
considered
by
the
board
of
reaching
exclusive,
and
we
have
been.
We
have
been
keeping
track
of
those
and
we've
received
them.
C
And
with
that,
it
will
give
the
War,
and
if
you
guys,
have
any
questions,
please
let
me
know
about
matters
and
procedure
or
anything
else
as
they
come
up.
Thank.
G
And
concern
today
for
some
people
about
the
public
hearing
and
I
want
to
say:
please
know
that
we
still
have
all
of
the
comments
from
the
first
part
of
this
public
hearing
that
was
opened
on
December
6th.
This
is
the
continuation.
We
will
review
the
list
of
comments
we've
reviewed
and
considered
before
we
post
the
public
hearing,
but
we
have
written
comments.
We
have
people
signed
up
to
speak
both
are
considered
equally
and
whether
you
speak
tonight
or
last
month.
D
Thank
you
and
then
I'll,
just
I'll
just
Echo.
Some
of
those
sentiments
that
this
idea
that
this
board
is
somehow
an
unelected
on
accountable
body.
That's
that's
really
not
it's
not
a
subversive
element
of
our
involvement
here
has
a
very
narrow
purview,
very
narrow
involvement
and
it's
it's
codified
into
the
code
itself.
The
Way,
It,
Was
Written,
and
that's
that's
why.
F
We're
involved
and
I
I
recognize
that
that
might
strike
some
as
an
alarming
degree
of
agency.
Among.
D
Board
members
like
I,
said
and
like
Victor,
said,
our
appeals
here
go
off
of
the
record,
and
so
it's
not
as
though
each
appeal
doesn't
have
its
own
and
Pennsylvania
specific
set
of
circumstances
and
is
viewed.
D
F
Engaging
with
that
Megan.
G
All
right,
so
we
have
several
people
signed
up
to
speak
this
evening.
I
I'm
gonna
make
an
assumption,
but
I'm
going
to
ask.
If
anyone
who
has
signed
up
is
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
appeal,
those
will
go.
First,.
G
In
the
order
we're
going
to
go
by
location
to
where
people
are
an
interested
party
too,
the
first
is
to
speak
with
the
all
the
person
PB
Brown.
C
E
E
Got
to
do
some
work
there
because
I
like
to
see
some
color
here
but
well
I
had
gotten
some
calls
from
Individual
asking
me
and
informing
me
about
this.
You
know:
I
I'll
speak
for
myself.
I
come
from
a
community
where
we
well
I
am
someone
who
basically.
I
E
This
stuff
is
kind
of
like
on
the
side,
so
it
was
real
welcoming
to
have
people
calling
you
and
trying
to
help
me
to
understand
what's
happening
here,
and
the
first
concern
for
me
is
in
my
community.
I
live
in
a
community
where
there
are
many
people
who
are
low
income,
who
really
don't
usually
come
out
and
be
a
part
of
this
conversation.
But
my
concern
is
to
that
I
live
in
a
community
that
have
a
lot
of
young
people.
C
E
Daycare-
all
of
that-
and
so
I've
been
one
of
them-
people
very
long
time
with
the
whole,
like
okay,
not
ready
to
hear
this
stuff
about
climate
change,
blah
blah
blah.
But
what
I've
noticed
once
I've
gotten
more
involved
is
that
our
weathers
have
changed
tremendously
right.
So
my
concern
is
living
in
a
community
with
a
lot
of
children,
and
you
talk
about
you
know
with
the
weather.
The
weather
is
a
big
concern.
K
This
I
know
we
can't
talk
about
the
whole
radiating
stuff,
but
is
this
going
to
be
something
that.
E
And
other
things
you
know:
oh
that's
right.
They
told
me
not
to
talk
about
health
either
but
anyway.
So
those
are
my
concerns
and
I'm
here
I
would
love
to
see
a
lot
more
people
who
look
like
me
as
always:
that's
always
concerning,
because
what
I
know
they
don't
have
the
same.
What
do
you
call
it
privilege
to
to
get
opportunities,
so
I
hope
that
I've
been
able
to
sound
insane
and
have
been
able
to
bring
some
concern
to
this
committee.
K
B
B
E
A
G
K
K
B
B
E
B
B
G
G
The
first
point
at
T
is
attempting
to
bypass
the
codes
that
are
common
Council
spent
literally
thousands
of
hours
in
implementing.
If
the
bza
approves
their
petition,
it
will
be
a
very
dangerous
president
and
effectively
annul
the
county
council's
work.
The
safety
of
this
infrastructure
has
not
been
established.
While
harm
has
been
demonstrated,
this
variance
has
passed
and
the
cell
tower
is
constructed.
It
will
not
only
harm
our
home
value
but
the
value
of
countless
homes
in
this
and
surrounding
neighborhoods.
This
is
an
important
issue
for
people
most.
I
G
Will
not
be
heard
in
this
space
because
they
do
not
live
within
750
feet.
Radius.
This
area
by
no
mean
limits
the
extent
of
health
and
property
implication
as
radiation
continues
to
Harvey
on
that
area.
It
is
a
mother
of
young
children
and
concerned
not
only
for
my
children's
well-being,
but
for
the
safety
and
well-being
of
all
vulnerable
individuals
who
would
live
with
the
effects
of
this
infrastructure,
most
of
whom
will
not
be
heard
in
this
space.
G
G
G
G
B
C
K
Member
one
of
my
renters
is
a
pose
to
this
variance.
Another
vendor
would
like
to
see
better
cell
service
I.
Frankly,
think
that
if
you
examine
the
science,
if
you
have
the
right
to
do
that,
you
would
come
to
a
negative
conclusion
that
kind
of
Madden
you
just
have
a
rule,
and
you
have
to
make
the
decision
on
that
rule
and
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
interpret
it
as
closely
to
the
rule
as
possible.
They.
G
Will
be
in
regard
to
the
facility
on
635,
West,
8th,
Street,
Andrew,
Foreman
and
I
believe
he's
joining
us
as
long.
B
D
B
D
I
G
So
he
was
in
the
zoom
by
his
left,
so
I
will
check
back
before
we
close
the
public
hearing
to
see
if
he
signs
back
on.
B
Cements
for
the.
G
Facility
nearest
Newton,
Street.
D
Punitive
not
to
let
somebody
speak,
but
we
are
trying
to
follow
the
same
Virginia
for
everyone.
So
for
those
that
were
wishing
to
sleep
that
didn't
sign
up
in
time
or
move.
E
To
that
it
doesn't
seem
necessary
to
me
my
understanding
is
everybody
has
pretty
good
cell
service
downtown,
but
I
wanted
to
be,
particularly
on
behalf
of
the
families
at
the
elementary
schools
that
we
jam
and
Fall
Creek
have
sent
kids
to
both
of
those
schools
and
I.
Guess
we're
not
talking
about
the
science
here,
but
my
understanding
as
children
are
relevant
and
the
only
people
that
were
allowed
to
speak
are
the
people
who
either
reside
or
work
in
these
environments.
J
E
Are
hesitant
to
come
speak
on
behalf
of
their
employer
because
through
that's
a
conflict
of
interest
to
have
to
put
I
mean
I,
know
we're
out
work.
I
can't
talk
about
anything,
and
even
if
there
are
fuzzy
lines,
I
understand
why
workers
within
the
school
district
at
bjm
and
Bull
Creek,
don't
want
to
come
in
here
and
talk
and
be
on
public
records,
and
then
the
parents
aren't
allowed
to
talk.
L
Hello,
my
name
is
Brian
Walder
and
I'm,
a
concerned
party
to
the
Utica,
Street
location
and
also
a
Fall
Creek,
former
Fall
Creek
parent
and
Echo
the
Wiggle
locations
proposed,
including
in
front
of
a
church
in
front
of
Cayuga
recovery
addiction
and
run
particularly
a
school,
because
a
school
is
noted
there
that
I
urge
that
the
great
barrients
not
be
granted.
I
would
like
to
know
if
I'm
able
to
see
the
portion
of
my
time
to
another
individual,
yes,
okay,
thank
you.
C
D
Sorry,
if
you
just
please
my
name,
is
a
New.
C
C
By
the
code,
except
for
capacity
deficiency
which
the
applicant
is
claiming,
they
require
taxable
to
drop
all
data
and
not
drive
this
way.
The.
C
They
have
in
there
are
not
sufficient
reason
because
by
the
very
definition
of
organic
coverage,
if
you
look
it
up,
we
all
know
that
it
says
future
capacity
is
not
sufficiently
from
accounting
coverage.
Even
if
you
decide
to
ignore
the
code
of.
C
The
hard
data
that
was
employed
to
create
such
Maps
instead
of
report
just
shows
and
interpretation
of
data
without
the
actual
raw
data
there's
no
way
to
verify
the
accuracy.
As
an
engineer,
I've
looked
at
many
reports
on
many
physical
analyzes
I
can
take
the
same
data,
come
up
with
many
different
conclusions
and
justify
each
one.
L
C
K
That
if
it
may
unreasonably
discriminate
among
Wireless
carriers
but
every
Alchemist
to
provide
by
the
codes
that
are
in
place
at
the
time
of
application,.
C
K
G
Again,
who
the
board
has
received
written
in
the
comments
from
so
we
received
a
comment
and
support
from
John
Nate
Foster.
We
have
received
working
comments
in
opposition
from
Jerome
Gagliano
Molly
Kornblum,
deaf
Justice,
Janice,
kovar,
Marty,
Russo
or
Mary
Russo
excuse.
B
G
C
A
To
comment
on
Republic
here.
F
Our
wireless
only
that's
particularly
true
in
populations
that
are
we're
at
or
what
are
called
all.
C
These
house
homes
or
even
after
poverty
levels.
So
when
you're
talking
about.
F
Communities
that
typically
rely
on
wireless
Services
more
and
what's
true,
that
we've
got
to
provide
service
in
communities
like
that
and
make
sure
that
they're
impacting,
including
in
terms
of
this
overall
service,
being
provided.
That's
true
as
well
when
we
look
at
Public
Safety
associated
with
schools.
The
project,
as
we
talked
about
is
the
providing
building
service.
One
of
18t's
Partners
is
firstnet.
D
Which
is
actually
the
federal
government
but
providing
reimbursement,
Public
Safety.
F
Services-
and
this
is
true
in
any
kind
of
critical
response-
whether
it
be
in
a
school
or
in
the
community,
so
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
from
the
improving
wild
service.
You
know
being
proposed
by
these
facilities,
as
it
relates
to
our
more
recent
submissions.
Yes,
we
do
have
a
concern
in
our
proceedings
that
in
our
papers
and
information,
the
code,
the
way
it
was
drafted
from
our
point
of
view-
is
really
for
inventory.
C
D
F
One
thing
that
came
up
the
last
moon
is
in
our
submission.
We
did
provide
the
data
I
heard
some
of
the
companies
very
interested
in
there.
I'm,
not
sure
what
believes
the
city
council.
C
It's
not
like
it's
been
popular,
but
we
didn't.
What
we
did
provide
is
rapid
prediction
of
the
actual
drive
that
I
stayed.
C
F
C
Of
these
sites
and
I
gave
you
some
information
from
the
earth
engineer,
a
really
important,
I'll,
say:
Einstein
is
really
on
its
own
itself.
On
the
hill.
We
focus
on
the
six
sites
here,
just
outside
of
downtown.
Think
of
it
as
if
you
were
doing
a
photometric
plan
for
lighting
or
parking
lot,
and
you
had
light
poles
that
were
18
feet,
high
and
lights
on,
there's
a
light
that
actually
overlaps
amongst
them
and
it's
enough
light
for
public
safety
for
pedestrians,
but
vehicles
in
the
parking
lot.
C
C
You
can
change
that
is
to
go
taller.
So
when
you
ask
the
question,
could
you
you
know
take
out,
you
know
two
or
three
of
these
sites
and
not
colloquial
utility
poles?
The
answer
would
be
not
we're
going
to.
We
may
reduce
the
denominator,
say
four,
but
then
we're
going
to
go
to
50
feet
and
new
holes
on
the
other
side
stream,
not
co-location.
So
if
you
think
of
it
as
like
a
flashlight
looking
down,
you've
got
to
go
up
in
order
to
get
that
light.
F
C
D
With
that,
we
will
formally
close
this
public
hearing
board
members
can
ask
you
to
follow
some
questions.
A
A
K
Do
I
was
the
one
that
asked
about
shipping
producing
numbers
that
way.
The
explanation.
K
Wasn't
actually
representative
of
what
the
coverage
was
because
of
the
use
which
was
reducing
the
amount
of
coverage
available?
So
again
we
like
I,
have
the
map
hold
up
that
orange
one
from
last
time
and
again,
looking
at
the
two
maps,
this
is
it
with
the
cell
Powers.
This
is
it
without
the
cell
powers
or
the
the
PWS
foreign
that
still
had
clear
areas
of
Overland.
As
you
were
describing
and
then
last
time
it
was
well.
Actually
it's
not
overlapped
because
again
of
the
use
is
actually.
K
K
C
I
think
you've
suggested
you
think
it's
somehow
one
or
the
other
I've
been
saying.
Well,
is
coverage
and
capacity.
It's
not
an
individual
equation
and
the
arc
engineer
to
talk
about
I
think
what
you
were
focused
really
was.
When
you
look
at
it
two
mentions
on
the
map
on
the
coverage:
State
Street
sites,
those
if
you
look
at
them.
Maybe
the
southern
half
of
the
coverage
area
is
areas
where
you
might
be
getting
coverage
coming
in
from
the
existing
rooftop
sites
like
where
we.
K
C
C
What
we
just
recently
submitted
yeah
my
yes,
my
colleague,
Dan
Patrick,
so
yeah.
E
So
the
the
second
moment
when
explaining
this
is
garbled
and
I,
like
that
clarified
as
a
Ronald
sent
me
so
I,
don't
understand
it
and
it's
like
I
know
so.
E
I
I'd,
like
a
basic
explanation
of
the
relationship
between
this
data,
that's
been
collected
like
first
I,
want
to
say
that
I
understand
it
is
not
our
job
tonight.
The
look
at
whether
or
not
there's
a
gap
in
coverage.
Our
job
tonight
is
to
provide
a
preliminary
answer
on
the
requested
variants
in
order
for
staff
to
tier
this
evaluation.
I
think
we
need
to
make
that
clear.
Nevertheless,
in
the
future,
we'll
have
to
look
at
Gathering
coverage
and
it
is
relevant
when
I
would
like
to
understand
the
graphs
New
York
okay.
E
So
what
is
the
relationship
between
drop
calls
and
the
drive
data
that
we've
been
given
and
I?
Understand
that
there's
a
standard
of
negative
98
decibels,
TBM
negative
98
there,
dbm
or
Worse
means
it's
bad.
J
This
is
Dan
Patrick
on
behalf
of
ATT
I'm
working
with
Chris.
You
asked
to
share
the
screen,
but
I
don't
have
the
capabilities,
so
I
was
just
asking
if
we
can,
if
I
can
have
the
ability
to
share
the
screen
if
necessary,
and
if
you
could
clarify
what
page
you
were
looking
for
I
think
you
said,
seven
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
pulling
up
the
right
page.
Well,.
B
B
E
E
You
qualification
of
bullet
point
number
two,
because
it's
a
broad
sentence
and
I'd
like
an
explanation
of
the
relationship
between
this
data
and
the
dropped,
call
data.
That
is
the
Criterion
that
the
city
will
be
using
and
I'd
like
in
general,
an
explanation
of
the
significance
of
the
number
negative
98
dbm.
Thank
you.
So.
F
That
I.
F
C
F
F
So
that's
the
coverage,
the
production
and
then
Mr
Matt
I
was
online
to
address
your
other
questions
about
how
that
relates
to
drop
calls.
Obviously,
how
many
macro
sets.
F
C
M
I
M
As
my
colleague
said
that
you
know
the
coverage
is
depicted
in
different
colors,
so
you
can
see
the
red
and
the
worst
coverage.
You
know
red
black
and
Pink.
So
those
are
the
areas
where
samples
were
kept
on
during
the
dry
data
coverage
turned
out
to
be
the
low.
Now
again,
coverage
is
basically
you
know
in
building.
M
If
you
are
in
different
areas,
you
know
coverage
will
be
different,
so
this
is
indicative
of
the
drive
data
collected
during
the
drive
data,
so
yeah
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
looking
for,
but
the
it's
a
node
wise.
You
see
the
north
side,
you
know
we
have
very
weak
coverage.
M
K
M
Okay
yeah,
so
this
drive
was
collected
from
jws
Drive
data,
which
is
a
third
party
desired
data
company
and
coverage
is
plotted
on
the
screen
and
the
red
area
is
basically
worse
than
like
98
and
similarly
the
paying
case
was
the
108.
So
those
are
the
bit
coverage
area
on
the
map
collected
during
the.
I
C
B
D
K
M
So
this
is
the
drive
data
and
events
like
drop.
One
was
not
plotted
on
this
plot,
but.
I
M
F
F
F
C
And
that
means
anything
that
yellow
goes
right
up
to
that
negative
98.
Anything!
That's
that
red,
pink
or
black.
I
B
C
So
so
so,
for
example,
all
of
these
dots.
I
C
F
Here
this
macro.
C
C
The
antennas,
essentially
that
you're,
seeing
in
some
of
these
coverage
patterns
catching
that
and
the
same
thing
from
here
this
is
coming
in
from
here
over
here.
These
are
all
around
the
Cornell
side.
So
you've
got
these
sites
over
here,
they're
they're
getting
some
signal
in
there,
but
not
in
a
reliable
signal
in
this
whole
neighborhood.
Then,
when
you
look
at
the
network,
planning
I
mean
Mr
Mattis
doing
these
are
the
these.
C
D
C
E
Yeah
so
I
understand
I,
understand
that
you
want
to
enhance
in
building
coverage
and
again
our
criteria
is
dropped
across,
and
so,
if
you
infer
that
in
building
drop,
calls
based
on
what
I
think
strength
of.
I
C
C
City,
council
and
the
code,
these
are
not
areas
where
municipalities
are
really
authorized
regularly.
It's
not
the
quality
of
the
service
you're
trying
to
regulate
you're,
trying
to
regulate
the
various
effects
of
the
infrastructure,
and
so
this
is
an
area
where
we're
trying
to
provide
you
the
information,
the
code
requests,
but
we
really
don't
believe
the
city
should
be
in
the
business
of
trying
to
regulate
quality
of
service
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
but
but
in
particular
that's
the
conversation.
H
C
D
C
H
C
And
it's
overlaying
a
lot
of
layers
from
a
regulatory
point
of
view
from
vulcanized
that
kind
of
technical
formation.
C
And
this
is
the
area
we're
trying
to
provide
service.
It's
it's
about
getting
relative
spacing
between
these.
If
you
look
at
this
and
I,
don't
know
the
exact
distance,
but
these
businesses
are
all
basically
similar,
right
and
and
what's
driving.
That
in
this
case
is
because
we're
trying
to
maximize,
in
all
cases
and
I,
said
co-location.
We
only
have
we're.
C
D
D
H
C
D
C
We're
trying
to
do
collocation,
which
is
I,
believe
your
code,
reference
that
drives
the
Aesthetics
right.
So
all
of
these
are
intended
to
be
co-location.
You
can
drive
to
settings
not
putting
new
poles
or
new
structures
in
your
renter
Public
Safety.
All
of
that's
highly
regulated
on
using.
C
On
these
co-locations
Beyond,
even
the
city
and
the
building
department,
the.
F
F
C
I
E
K
If
you
kind
of
go
from
southeasterly
to
Northwest
like
it
clearly
is
you
guys
are
fine
too
okay
I
see
the
red.
It
looks
like
up
near
where
it
says
Fall
Creek,
which
I
know
how
that
one's
gonna
go.
Is
you
got
a
lot
of
red
running
in
there
right?
Couldn't
you
solve
it
with
the
one
or
two
in
that
area
that
are
already
co-located
so
so.
D
K
Okay,
second
thing:
how
much
other
option
for
co-location
was
there.
D
We
could
go
back
to
it,
but
it's
in
the
full
package
each
one
of
these
sites.
We
did
an
aerial
and
we
showed
you
in
catalog,
with
yellow,
pin,
drops
every
piece
of
existing
infrastructure
out
there
and
explained
why
it
was
or
wasn't
available
from
NYSEG.
What.
C
Yeah
so
I
think
what
everyone
was
looking
at
was
the
submittal
requirements.
Is
that
right,
yeah
I
was
thinking.
C
Yeah,
okay,
so
that's
section
325-29.10
and
I'll.
Just
read
that
out
loud
for
folks.
It
says
for
the
purpose
of
submitting
the
maps
required
by
some
subsections.
The
applicant
shall
demonstrate
Network
Performance
Based
on
a
sample
of
on
the
ground,
testing
write
tests,
which
is
what
I
understand
that
to
be
right.
Yeah
data
and
certify
the
accuracy
under
the
data
under
penalty
of
perjury
or
the
testing
is
statistically
appropriate
for
the
area
tested.
C
The
application
will
provide
the
hard
data
that
was
employed
to
create
such
map
or
maps,
including
the
drive
test
database,
demonstrating
the
existence,
location
and
Geographic
boundary
of
the
Gap
in
coverage,
the
PWS
and
its
in
10
minutes
Remedy
or,
if
demonstrating
the
capacity,
efficiency,
actual
drop
default
records
from
the
carrier
and
the
location
and
Geographic
boundary
in
the
capacity
division
system,
so
that
is
The
Verve
of
YMCA
that
calls
for
in
terms
of
home.
Thank
you.
C
I
I
K
H
C
H
C
That
are
less
desirable.
Is
it
substantial
I,
don't
think
it's
any
substantial,
impacting
community,
so
I'm
fine
with
it
impact
on
physical
or
environment
conditions.
K
Right,
okay,
I
have
to
agree
with
the
criteria
that
you
stated
that
as
our
typical
overview,
but
I,
don't
even
all
feel
qualified
to
talk
about
property
values
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
our
role
here
is
that
we
make
sure
they're,
safe
and
property
values.
The
third
one
was
very
Society.
H
K
Okay,
so
I
don't
think
this
produces
an
undesirable
change.
K
We
do
need
to
if
we're
going
to
make
a
motion
went
out
with
some
type
2
action
with
the
city,
Environmental
Quality
the
new
ordinance
and
is
not
subject
to
environment
from
the
benefits
sought
by
the
applicant
can
be
achieved
by
a
feasible
alternative.
K
I,
don't
see
how
you're
doing
it,
one
of
the
requested
variance
is
substantial.
I,
don't
believe
it's
substantial
with
variants
have
an
adverse
expect
impact
on
the
physical
or
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood
I
would
suggest.
No
was
this
election
difficulty
self-created
I,
don't
think
so.
K
I
F
F
A
We're
supposed
to
take
into
health
safety,
welfare
of
the
community
and
environmental
impacts,
but
in
this
case
we
are
only
specifically
looking
at
the
Aesthetics
of
the
utility
mixed
into
other
utilities.
Right
now,
everyone's
funnels,
so
I.
F
Umra
here,
the
one
thing
that
I
thought
really
stood
out
to
me
was
the
notion
of
land
use
effects
of
about
any
infrastructure
right,
that's
more
based
on
what
Perkins
has
and
what
we're.
Looking.
F
K
Fitting
it
within
the
criteria,
it's
gonna,
it's
a
tough
ask
other
to
turn
it
down
and
I
think
is
where
it
ends
up
right,
like
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
consider
other
things
that
we
talked
about
earlier,
not
being
able
to
fit
those
in
here
to
make
some
changes
to
how
even
looking
Within,
These
criteria
I
think
I
would
view
them.
So
knowing
like
what
we
can
and
cannot
look
at.
Thank
you
Victor
and
like
what
we
should
be
considering.
K
I.
Think
a
lot
of
what
has
so
many
people
here
and
fired
up
or
want
of
a
better
phrase
is
stuff
that
almost
it
does
lie
outside
of
what
we
can
actually
review.
C
F
E
And
this
is
a
different
kind
of
meeting,
and
our
chair
made
a
comment
by
email
earlier
today.
That
I
think
is
very
I
was
very
wise
and
he
said
it's
not
the
case
that
this
meeting
could
upend
or
violate
the
legislation
that
we
so
carefully
put
into
place
is
living
with
legislation,
because.
E
Very
clearly
has
accommodations
for
variances,
and,
and
so
that's
what
you're
doing
all
right
and
I
think
that
regarding
Aesthetics
I
think
the
city
has
a
problem
with
the
Aesthetics
of
our
utilities.
That's
outside
the
community
of
this
board,
but
it's
not
outside
the
curvy
above,
come
in
Council
or
they're,
paying
board
and
citizens.
E
I
think
the
city
wants
to
move
forward.
Marriage
utilities
and
I
hope
that,
when
we're
able
to
increase
a
number
of
areas
at
varied
utilities
or
of
these
of
these
facilities
will
be
buried
as
well
when
I
was
taking
Ryan
after
the
dog
walk
today,
I'm
I'm
rolling
all
this
over
I
looked
up
and
I
saw
on
a
telephone,
pole
or
Midfield.
E
This
God
wasn't
looking
thing
that
looked
like
a
little
trash
can
contact
you
at
home
phone
call,
it's
ugly
and
there's
a
lot
of
ugly
liars
and
ugly
little
boxes
all
over
the
city.
The
city
has
made
an
effort
through
our
art
program,
to
make
some
of
the
utility
boxes
more
attractive,
and
you
know
kind
of
a
fun
part
of
the
city,
but
certainly
there's
some
ugliness.
E
E
E
It's
it's
hard
for
me
sitting
here
having
well
I,
wasn't
sitting
there
sitting
at
home
at
the
time
that
we
had
this
legislation,
it's
very
hard
to
be
on
the
other
side
of
it
and
see
how
this
is
playing
out.
So
I'm.
Looking
to
your
comments
from
the
rest
of
mind
and
probably.
K
I
A
C
C
You
could
bash
that
and
proceed
to
related
if
the
board
thought
that
would
be
more
efficient
to
be
removed.
The
same
way
about
them,
but
I
mean
different
as
long
as
you're,
making
individual
determination
on
each
one.
K
Read
this
little
requirements,
the
environmental
review
since
had
two
actually
the
Pacific
Mike.
G
H
Am
going
to
make
a
quick
friendly
Amendment,
so
this
has
been
unlimited
action.
C
Four
five,
a
variance
with
seven
proposed
variety
of
facility
experiences,
a
vacation,
but
then
right
away
in
the
city
of
Ithaca,
reported
to
reviewed
in
the
environmental
assessment
informed
and
determines
that
the
requested
variants
will
result
in
no
significant
impact.
K
Trade
Planning
and
Development
board
and
review
this
variants
and
that's
some
comments.
They
think
that
landmarks
reservation
committee
recommendations.
C
D
K
One
of
the
benefits
off
by
the
applicant
can
be
achieved
by
a
feasible
alternative
to
the
variants.
You
know
whether
the
requested
variance
is
substantial.
No,
would
the
variants
have
an
adverse
impact
on
physical
and
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood?
No,
whether
the
electric
difficulty
was
self-created,
you
know,
I
saw
you.
B
G
Think
it'd
be
helpful
for
the
board
to
add
a
little
bit
more
to
each
one
of
those,
as
we
normally
do
to
discussions
on.
Why
you,
and
if
there's
other
picture
when
you
said
that
it
would
be
okay
for
the
Lord
to
batch
them.
Do
you
mean
say
I
feel,
similarly
about
this
location,
this
location
and
yeah.
C
I
C
L
C
Code,
they
assess
adverse
impact
and
undesirable
change
by
thinking
about
Aesthetics
and
dangerous
to
the
community.
I,
don't
think
that
there's
any
dangers
in
its
spaces,
I,
don't
think
it's
providing.
It
is
the
additional
inside
declaration
level
that
I
don't
think
it
represent
the
danger
community
properties
at
all
whether
or
not
there's
a
feasible.
C
Placing
their
facilities
is
juggling
a
lot
of
different
Communications
with
capacity
and
nice
egg
and
therefore
there's
not
a
feasible
alternative.
Is
a
substantial
I
think
in
terms
of
substantiality,
where
it's
I
think
it
relative
to
the
impact
on
the
residents.
I,
don't
think
it
has
any
impact
on
the
residents.
It's
not
substantial,
whether
or
not
it
will
have
a
physical
or
environmental
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
No
because
they're
on
existing
bulls
and
won't
have
an
environmental
impact
and
whether
or
not
some
created
no
18
fields
of
responsibility.
A
Facilities
for
the
coverage,
all
right,
I'll
just
jump
in-
is
that
a
friendly
Amendment
team,
like
that's,
probably,
is
there
a
second
to
Mike's
motion
second
and
I
think
what
we
should
do
is
we
should
vote
on
this
specific
motion
and
then,
unless
there's
something
that
a
board
member
appeals
might
impede
their
their
vote
on
on
one
of
these
facilities
say
so
now
and
then,
after
we
vote
on
this
motion,
if.
A
A
Police
function
to
Grant
the
variance
4507
Albany
Street.
One
of
this
is
both
World
numbers.
E
I
think
for
each
one
we
need
to
know
the
specific,
the
variance
like
we
do
for
high
varians
and
setback
variances.
So
if
the
interacting
career
and
coming
into
1500,
reportable
section
507
will
hold
anyhow
bigger
variants,
are
they
asking
foreign.
E
C
Because
it's
it's,
it's
245
here!
It's
five
feet
away,
so
you.
A
Can
get
to
the
substantiality
that
way
the
board.
F
K
You
want
to
make
it
a
friendly,
Amendment
sure
yeah,
because
because
I
checked
this
address
specifically
out
over
the
weekend,
it's
I,
you
know
I'm
ballpark
at
it
within
70
or
so
feet
from
a
resume.
I
believe
this
is
one
of
the
closest
one
to
a
school.
Okay.
C
K
Familiar
with
who's
running
a
home
daycare
or
where,
anyway,
although
the
distance
is
75
feet,
I,
believe
that
it's
it's
not.
K
I
K
In
that
it
would
be
next
to
impossible
to
build
this
cell
antenna
within
the
restrictions
common.
D
That
is
there
so
I
guess:
we've
already
seconded
this
motion
now
as
we
go.
I
100
so.
C
G
G
Kirby
yeah
Mr
Vernon.
Yes,
that
carries
profile
the
location,
nearest
507,
North,
Albany
Street
in.
E
C
G
K
G
I
think
we
found
that
every
even
the
one
at
the
far
in
the
West
State
Street,
there
was
a
an
apartment
in
a
commercial,
primarily
a
commercial
building,
so
it
was
within
250
feet.
There
are
some
that
also
we're
in
within
1500
feet
of
an
existing
PWS
app
as
well,
but
not
all.
A
A
And
let
me
make
a
judgment
called
administering
relation
for
hardship
and
then
just
to
remind
the
public.
As.
F
We
head
into
a
motion
for
307
Franklin
Street.
What
just
happened
was
that
appeal,
just
passed,
50
Anthology
has
been
approved.
F
Level
with
that
is
there
a
motion
for
307.
D
C
K
I
K
C
C
I
think
the
one
thing
that
would
be
different
would
be,
as
we
pointed
out,
the
distance
from
the
residences
and
the
distance
between
facilities.
Yeah
I
think,
if
you're
going
to
have
the
same
general
approach
to
the
other
factors,
I
think
that's
fine
to
go
through
them
like
sad
I.
Do
think
that
it
would
make
sense
to
at
least
address
them
individually
and
take
individual
boats.
As
for
anything,
that
would
differ,
which
I
think
that
too,
that
we
had
been
working
on
but
which.
C
K
F
On
Council
that
are
frustrated
watching
this
or
for
constituents
that
are
also
frustrated
by
their,
you
know,
inhibited
access,
then
this
is
then
this
might
inform
a
change
to
Amendment
or
what
have
you,
but
in
the
meantime,
this
is
what
we're
doing
under
Ed
being
comfortable
with
us.
We've
been
on
what
I
think
we
should
re
read
through
the
criteria.
Once
again,
it's.
A
Call
out
and
then
we'll
vote
on
each
appeal
individually.
C
C
For
the
address
is
307
Franklin,
Street
312,
there's
an
ABS
120
Utica
Street
two
or
two
Kingston
Street
635
at
8th,
Street
and
333
West,
Main
Street,
and
making
her
decision.
We
consider
five
factors:
one,
whether
an
undesirable
change
will
be
produced
in
a
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
detriment
to
nearby
properties.
C
And
they
wouldn't
be
noticeable
two,
whether
the
benefits
of
the
applicant
can
be
achieved
by
some
method.
People.
H
No,
the
applicant
has
demonstrated
that
the
facilities
are
in
these
specific
locations.
To
me.
C
They
need
some
customers
and
are
made
in
conjunction
with
NYSEG
I.
Do
not
believe
it
is
feasible.
Two
movies
in
a
manner
they've,
been
by
this
impact
on
code
or
lower
the
requested
variants.
Whether
or
not
the
requested
area
variance
is
substantial.
The
city
of
the
code
requires
of
each
facility
is
nothing
within
250
feet
of
Residential
Properties.
C
Distance
bias
have
been
doing,
it
is
almost
impossible
to
implied,
but
I
would
code.
You
should
think
about
whether
or
not
it's
essential
intensity
impact
on
residents,
because
we
deemed
that
it
doesn't
have
an
impact
on
residents.
We
don't
think
this
is
a
substantial
variants
rather
than
proposed
variants.
C
H
A
Is
there
a
second,
is
that
one
second
I'll?
Second,
the
motion.
G
I
J
B
I
D
G
F
This
passes:
five
zero
Megan
police
board
members
for
202,
King,
Street,
Mr,.
C
G
G
I
I
B
So
I
have
your
language
that
I
will
use
and
just
write
up,
I'm.
G
B
F
All
right,
we
are
very
quickly
going
to
skip
over
a
field.
Three
two,
four
two,
three
very
briefly
and
we're
going
to
address
three
two
and
four
before
the
events.
C
Driveway,
the.
E
K
Line
but
I
want
to
put
up
a
carport
over
the
driveway
I.
E
C
Nearest
house
is
more
than
one
model
way.
C
E
Is
also
behind
what
would
be
the
carport,
although
there
might
be
five
feet
or
so
is
the.
E
I
have
a
letter
from
my
neighbor
Jack
chusid,
who
indicated
he
has
no
objections
through.
I
E
Ice,
the
other
relevant
pieces
that
there
are
large
Norway
Maples
lining
the
property
slightly
over
on
the
other
side
and
I
would
like
some
protection
there.
I
don't
want
the
trees
cut
down.
My
neighbor
doesn't
want
to
please
cut
down,
but
I
would
like
some
protection
for
my
car
because
Branson
new,
as
you
can
imagine
the
fall
and
they
regularly
fall
on
my
driveway.
K
D
Here
to
speak
in
favor
other
than
the
letter
we've.
G
No,
so
they
will
just
have
the
letter
from
John
sheep
said
in
support
of
this
appeal.
We
have
not
received
any
common
supposition
and
no
one
has
signed
up
to
speed
this
evening.
We
do
have
comments
from
the
planning
board.
G
F
Second,
we.
H
Yeah
I'll
yeah
all
right
so
motion
to
approve,
kill.
C
Planning
and
Development
board
recommendations
has
been
applicable,
factors
considered.
C
Neighborhood
or
engineered
by
properties,
no,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
install
a
new
carport
or
the
driveway.
We
need
an
ejacent
inside
the
home.
The
carport
will
create
a
deficiency,
introduce
the
tiger
FB.
The
board
has
received
a
letter
of
support
in
nearby
neighbors,
based
on
these
submitted
documents.
The
board
finds
that
the
repression
variants
will
not
produce
an
undesirable
change
in
the
neighborhood,
the
Carpenters,
consistent
with
other
homes
in
the
area.
Two
with.
C
K
C
I
suppose
you
have
to
could
choose
not
to
build
a
carport,
the
carport
you.
K
All
right,
you.
G
F
D
Whenever
you're
ready,
Jason
the
projector
of
your
viewers,
okay
and
again,
it's
we're
already
running
over.
So
these
are
the
concises.
The.
N
All
right
so
Jason
Demarest
architect
for
the
project,
the
William
and
the
developer,
Chris
petrillos
108,
110,
College
Ave,
just
starting
with
a
rendering.
You
have
seen
this
project
a
couple
times
informally,
and
this
is
what
is
what
it
has
evolved
to
through
the
planning
board
process.
So
I
just
thought:
I'd
give
you
a
quick
look
at
the.
What
we're
talking
about
overall
just
want
to
walk
you
through
something
quick
about
the
existing
conditions.
N
The
lot
will
be
Consolidated.
The
two-year
highlighted
and
light
purple
there's
an
existing
garage
on
the
back
property
line
and
we're
going
to
improve
that
condition
and
the
rear
yard,
rear
yard
setback
is
one
of
our
variances
and
then
number
114.
College
Ave
is
actually
an
existing
condition
in
the
neighborhood.
That
is
five
feet
from
the
lot
line
and
it
would
be
required
to
be
15
feet.
N
So
here's
the
site
plan
again
rear
yard.
We
need
about
16
feet
per
zoning
and
we've
got
an
average
of
10
9.7
to
10.1,
there's
a
little
taper
to
the
back
of
the
lot.
N
N
This
is
the
cr4
zone.
As
you
know,
we're
allowed
multi-family
buildings
and
we
have
the
option
of
a
row
house.
The
the
first
option,
though,
that
we
exhausted,
was:
if
we
didn't
do
a
row
house,
we
would
be
limited
to
54
feet
in
depth
and
45
feet
is
the
maximum
building
length
and
that
produces
a
much
smaller
building
than
what
is
allowed
in
terms
of
lot
coverage.
As
you
know,
land
values
in
college
town
are
are
very
expensive
and
you
know
it's.
N
It
really
comes
down
to
bed,
so
this
project
has
54
beds
and
we
would
be
substantially
under
that.
So
it's
very
difficult
to
redevelop
this
site
the
site.
Also,
by
the
way,
maybe
we
should
go
back
for
a
second
to
the
Topo
here.
You
know
we're
talking
about
14
feet
to
about
10
feet
of
drop
from
east
to
west,
and
you
know
the
other
thing.
That's
critical
for
a
project
is
accessory
structures
on
the
site
plan.
N
Here
you
know
we
have
a
fenced
in
trash
enclosure
and
we
also
have
a
stair
Tower
access
so
and
then
also
just
maintenance.
You
know
it's
it's
critical
to
maintain
space
around
the
building,
so
those
factor
into
this
next
part.
The
other
option
we
have
is
to
employ
a
row
house
design
which
we
have
done
and
I
just
looked
at
a
hypothetical,
a
shallower
building
which
is
really
the
maximum.
N
You
know
a
40-foot
deep
row
house
is
is
pretty
common
because
you
you
lose
ability
to
access
Windows
and
such
and
and
ultimately
it
would
be
very
difficult
to
make
it
work
in
in
the
middle
I
heard,
you
know
with
an
obstruction
in
the
center,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
the
zoning
allows
for
stories
and
so
naturally,
in
an
effort
due
to
the
high
cost
of
construction
and
and
land
values
and
and
things
like
that,
the
building
needs
an
elevator
at
four
stories
and
an
includes
a
basement.
N
So
it's
a
five-stop
elevator
actually
six,
because
we
have
a
sub-basement
for
an
amenity
space
and
then
you
also
need
two
stair
Towers.
So
you
end
up
with
a
back
Corridor.
The
row
house
design
would
force
us
to
a
single
loaded,
Corridor,
which
is
very
inefficient,
and
then
here
with
this
footprint
you
know,
I
I
only
want
the
five
foot
side
yards,
which
would
maintain
access
for
service
around
the
building,
but
ultimately,
with
the
accessory
structures
and
the
topography.
The
trash
enclosure
needs
to
occupy
this
Southern
yard.
N
So
what
we
thought
was
with
a
change,
a
two-step
change
in
zoning.
There's
a
CR2
property
to
the
South.
We
wanted
to
increase
the
setback
on
the
south
as
as
much
as
possible,
and
so
what
happens?
This
footprint
that
I
drew
in
hypothetically
as
part
of
the
submission,
is
still
short
of
the
allowable
lock
coverage.
So
we
so
we
took
this
portion
down
here
to
free
up
the
yard
for
other
things
and
started
to
spread
it
out
on
the
west
side.
N
Again,
the
a
double
loaded,
Corridor
design
is
going
to
be
much
more
efficient
to
make
the
apartments
work
and
then
the
other
factor
with
the
row
house
architecture
is
that
we're
Limited
at
25
feet
per
module
and
we
went
with
24
and
then
we
get
sort
of
landlocked
with
these
studios
in
the
middle
which
only
have
Windows
on
one
side.
So
a
two
bedroom
works
out
nicely.
N
We
can
get
Windows
on
on
the
side,
get
two
bedrooms
in
and
then
have
the
common
area
with
Windows
on
the
one
side
that
dictates
a
depth
into
the
building
and
that
sets
our
stair
Tower
location
and
our
Corridor,
and
so
the
progression
is.
How
do
we
maximize
the
site
to
realize
closer
to
that
lot,
coverage
that
were
allowed
and
then
also
make
it
work,
and
so
we
could
go
all
the
way
up
to
this
setback
here
and
you
know,
and
then
the
rear
yard
comes
into
play.
N
One
thing
I
would
note
is
there
is
our
understanding
that
there's
some
work
behind
the
scenes
and
planning
to
change
the
the
setback
in
the
cr4
rear
yard
to
to
just
10
feet?
So
our
belief
is
just
down
the
road.
N
The
setback
would
be
would
be
allowed
so
anyway,
just
back
to
lock
coverage
we're
trying
to
make
usable
apartments
in
the
back
here,
and
so
we've
gone
over
lot
coverage
by
620
square
feet
that
does
include
balconies
and
the
balconies,
which
are
a
nice
amenity
to
have
and
we're
trying
to
differentiate
in
a
very
competitive
market
in
college
town.
N
If
I
take
the
balconies
off,
and
this
is
documented
on
the
site
plan,
you
know
we're
452
square
feet
over
on
lot
coverage.
This
is
a
a
variance.
That's
been
granted
elsewhere
in
college
town,
same
thing,
with
the
rear
yard.
You
know
in
terms
of
substantiality:
we've
got
61
percent
rear
yard
anyway.
452
square
feet
is
not
it's
not
very
big,
it's
smaller
than
a
two-car
garage,
but
what
we've
done
with
the
project
is
maintained
as
much
Green,
Space
and
and
buffer
space.
As
we
could.
N
We
actually
have
a
surplus
of
690
square
feet
of
soft
skate
in
the
total
Green
Space
calculation.
So
that's
true
Green
Space
softscape,
so
we
felt
that
695
was
a
nice
offset
to
the
the
620
square
feet
of
lock
coverage,
so
that
was
our
our
Balancing
Act
there.
N
Sacrifice
some
of
the
building
the
only
way
to
comply
with
lot
coverage,
we'd,
probably
lose
10
bedrooms
and
that'd
be
an
18.5
percent
reduction
in
the
project
viability.
You
know,
that's
pretty
substantial.
You
know
we're
right
around
the
holidays
right
now.
N
If
anyone
saw
a
sale
for
18.5
discount,
that
would
be
a
pretty
good
discount,
but
in
this
case
it
would
be
a
severe
loss
to
the
project,
so
we're
just
looking
at
benefits
of
the
applicant
compared
to
any
detriment
to
the
neighborhood
and
since
the
rear
yard
seems
to
be
slowly
becoming
a
non-issue
and
also
you
know,
in
character
with
the
the
neighboring
property
of
the
north
and
also
a
vast
improvement
over
the
the
current
condition
with
the
garages
on
the
property
line
that
that
doesn't
seem.
N
Like
a
big
ask
on
our
part
and
the
benefit
to
the
applicants,
you
know
definitely
outweighs
any
detriment
and
then
lock
coverage
is
always
a
funny
one.
For
me
it
it
depends
on
what
side
of
the
building
you're
standing
on
it's
it's
very
hard
to
perceive.
N
So
it's
it's
a
sliver
of
a
building,
but
no
one
really
knows
what
it
looks
like
on
the
other
side.
So
unless
you
were
to
Circle
a
building,
you
don't
truly
perceive
that
so
seems
minor
and
again
it.
You
know
it
has
been.
N
You
know
acknowledged
in
on
other
properties,
so
we're
hoping
the
board
feels
the
same
way
about
this
project.
I
think
I
think
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Chris
I,
don't
know.
If
you
have
anything
you
want
to
add,
but
I
think
I
covered
it
and
I
can
ask
answer
any
questions.
Obviously,.
F
All
right
well
we'll
give
that
question
in
any
questions
off
of
that
for
either
the
property
owner
or
the
architect.
G
Structure,
it
depends
usually,
if
there's
like
the
concrete
pad
and
there's
the
room
for
a
little
fence
around
it,
which
is.
H
F
And
then
also
in
your
narrative,
you
mentioned
her
code
to
meet
at
the
balconies.
K
H
Is
the
way
I
read
the
narrative
you're
trying
to
draw
is
that
you're
basically
saying
you
have
to
have
an
elevator
by
code,
and
then
you
also
have
to
have
the
double
stairwells.
If
I
could?
Is
that
right,
okay
and
then
the
way
I
kind
of
read
this
from
a
logic
standpoint?
Is
that
it's
self-evident
to
me
that
if
you're
not
allowed
to
get
that
extra
variance
area,
those
apartments
on
the
back
side
are
really
really
narrow,
and
maybe
you
get
like
two.
H
That
that's
amazing,
so
if
I
do
readings
together
is
basically,
you
are
ended
by
priority
of
evaluators
in
stairwell
over
there,
where
you
have
to
get
the
variance
or
you're
going
to
have
a
really
large
reduction
in
bedroom
counts.
So
you
know
my
question:
when
I
was
looking
at
the
site,
you
know
the
thing
I'm
focusing
on.
Is
there
a
feasible
alternative
with
floor
plans.
H
Know,
thinking
about
other
properties,
you've
got
your
neighbor
two
to
the
north.
There,
which
is
114,
College,
Ave
I,
don't
believe
that
required
a
variance,
obviously
a
smaller
site
but
different
work
and
then
one
two
one
one
two
five
College
Ave,
which
obviously
is
bigger,
I,
don't
think
that
required
variance
and
then
I
think
in
terms
of
step
back
and
when
you're
referring
to
data
variance
for
diapers
soon
you're
talking
about
the
Ruby,
because
it's
a
nine
percent
setback.
H
N
Well,
I
I
think
where
I'm
going
with
this
is
in
order
to
support
a
structure,
an
apartment
building.
You
need
the
accessory
amenities,
so
the
the
garbage
enclosures
and
then
the
exiting
for
the
stair
Towers
start
to
take
up
required
yard
space.
N
So
what
and
and
then
also
we
need
to
keep
the
garbage
enclosure
closer
to
the
road
for
to
take
it
out,
rather
than
put
it
all
the
way
at
the
back
of
the
building.
So
it's
just.
It
feels
a
lot
better
to
bring
it
up
front
and
and
when
you
do
that,
you
can
see
how
the
building
just
starts
to
it
gets
squeezed
north
south,
so
naturally
to
realize
you
know
we're
allowed
4,
000
square
feet
of
of
lot
area
and
we're
at
4600.
N
Basically-
and
you
know,
obviously,
if
you're
going
to
develop
in
college
town,
you
want
to
get
as
close
to
that
that
allowable
as
you
can,
but
as
the
design
played
out,
we
just
went
a
little
bit
over
to
make
the
apartments
and
everything
work.
But
again
this
diagram
was
was
designed
to
show
that
the
the
row
house
is
hypothetical.
N
But
then,
when
you
try
to
gain
that
utility
space
and
access
for
maintenance
and
everything
around
the
building
it
it
pushes
it
pushes
Westward,
but
then
it's
just
not
quite
enough
to
really
make
nice
usable
Apartments
these
these
apartments,
the
size
is
based
on
trying
to
meet
what
Catherine
Commons
did
in
terms
of
size,
but
they're
they
are.
Small
planning
board
has
even
acknowledged
that
that
these
are
are
small.
C
N
Yeah
I
mean
some
of
that
is
also
working
through
zoning.
There's
a
lot
of
complexity
to
zoning.
It's
it's
definitely
a
challenge
with
sort
of
two
two
zoning
laws,
overlapping
and
then
the
subtleties
of
these
form
requirements
but
grade
plane
is
another
difficulty
in
that
topography
makes
that
difficult
and
it
adds
some
costs
for
retaining
walls,
some
of
which
exist
today.
But
as
a
Redevelopment
project,
we
have
to
redevelop
those
so
on
the
West
Side.
N
There's
a
existing
retaining
wall
that
we're
we're
going
to
rebuild
we're
actually
going
to
lower
it.
So
it's
not
as
imposing
anymore
and
it
it
through
working
with
the
planning
board.
We
are
able
to
get
nicer
back
patios
on
the
West
Side,
but
grade
plane
is
very
subtle.
We
are
exactly
at
the
limit
and
we
had
to
do
a
couple,
little
zoning
gymnastics
as
I
like
to
call
it
on
the
back
here
in
order
to
meet
grade
plane.
N
G
E
K
I
mean
it's
a
recent
purchase.
Nothing
streaming.
I
can
see
how
the
numbers
would
be
especially
challenging.
How
do
I
answer
that
question?
Well,.
N
Again,
I
think
it
comes
back
to
the
first
option
is
to
not
do
a
row
house,
but
because
of
what
you're
allowed
in
terms
of
zoning
envelope
in
terms
of
height,
you
can't
build
that
45
foot
by
54,
foot,
building
or
even
60
foot,
if
that
had
a
rear
yard
variance.
That
does
not
realize
enough
economic
benefit
to
justify
redeveloping
the
property,
and
you
can't
really
do
two
buildings
on
the
site,
because
then
it's
two
elevators
and
four
stair
Towers.
So
it
has
to
be
one
building.
That's
the
first
conclusion.
N
You
really
need
a
double
loaded,
Corridor
and
then
it's
just
a
function
of
you
know:
do
we
just
stop
and
and
Lop
off
it
would
be
30
30
beds.
Wait.
Let
me
count
that
again,
sorry
25
bedrooms,
if
we,
if
we
just
cut
off
the
back
half
of
the
building
here
and
just
stopped
with
a
single
loaded
Corridor,
so
that
that's
literally
cutting
the
project
in
in
half,
so
you
know
the
economics
fall
apart
and
then,
of
course,
you
know
this
process
takes
a
long
time.
We've.
N
You
know,
we've
been
to
the
planning
board
six
times.
We
came
to
you
guys
early
on
for
some
feedback
and
guess
what's
happened
in
the.
In
the
meantime,
interest
rates
have
have
doubled,
so
the
economic
viability
is
getting
even
more
difficult,
but
I
mean
my
whole
point.
Is
it's
it's
sort
of
a
squeeze
right.
N
We
we
looked
at
the
row
house,
but
it
it's
really
hard
to
work
with
that,
so
we're
just
squeezing
it
down
and
pushing
the
last
the
zoning
sort
of
leading
us
to
this,
and
then
the
question
is:
what's
the
detriment
to
the
neighborhood.
If
we
just
went
a
little
bit
more,
you
know
I,
don't
really
want
to
do
this,
but
if
we
were
to
take
this
one,
two
bedroom
off,
we
would
be
compliant
with
lot
coverage.
You
know
the
back
the
upper
two
bedroom,
the
studio
would
need
the
rear
yard.
N
N
N
Not
not
financially
physically,
we
can
draw
anything
that
meets
zoning,
but
does
it
work
as
a
project
right
and
and
actually
just
as
I'm
on
that
point,
I
would
make
the
point
if
this
corner
of
the
building,
if
we
had
kind
of
a
fat
L-shaped
building,
someone
on
the
street
would
never
know
that
that
building
complied
with
lot
coverage.
N
And
then,
when
you
put
that
corner
on
now
it
doesn't
that's
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
perception
wise,
it's
it's
it's
a
very
small
impact
or
even
not
even
a
noticeable
impact
from
the
from
the
Public's
point
of
view.
But
it's
a
great
benefit
to
the
applicant
to
get
this
in
in
here
and
you
know
well,
yeah
I'll!
Leave
it
at
that.
I.
D
Have
two
questions
and
then
I'll
turn
back
over
the
board
members
and
there's
multiple
balconies,
just
so
I
know,
so
the
seven
that
you're
saying
contribute
for
lock
coverage.
Is
that
because
they're
all
stacked
up
those
faces.
A
And
then
I
don't
think
we've
ever
doubled
the
rear
yard
setback
with
those
window
wells
is
that
maybe
it's
a
question
more
for
Megan.
How
does.
G
N
Yeah,
we
don't
have
sunken
patios
on
the
back
anymore.
We
just
have
raised
centers
there,
but
that
that
evolved
with
a
planning
board.
I
was
nervous
initially
in
calculation,
and
we
got
rid
of
some
deeper
window
wells
for
that
sub-basement,
which
is
planned
to
be
a
gym
or
Fitness
room.
So
it
doesn't
really
need
need
Windows.
So
it's
it's
a
very
complicated.
That's
another
thing:
that's
just
it's
way
too
complicated,
New,
York
State
should
change
that
and
then
zoning
would
follow
suit.
A
H
C
G
K
J
K
F
K
Time
supporting
this
I
don't
know
was
this
reviewed
prior
to
last.
F
Year
by
us,
they
came
for
an
initial
meeting
in
which
this
they.
A
I
A
N
We
came
to
you
guys
twice
the
first
time
we
had
an
extra
story
amongst
these
other
variances.
We
got
rid
of
that,
but
but
what
you
see
here
is
what
we
presented
the
last
time.
Informally
we
haven't
changed
the
the
footprint
we've
only
moved.
You
know
minor
things
with
the
the
patios
and
the
exterior
elements,
and
then
also
the
exterior
design
just
changed
a
little
bit,
but
there
was
positive
feedback.
The
last
time
we
were
here
about
the
lock
coverage
in
the
setback.
K
It
looks
purely
self-inflicted,
but
Robert
has
purchased
recently
just
10
pounds
of
power
and
a
five
pound
back.
F
I
E
Agree
with
Mike
the
zoning
was
well
known
if
I'm
the
property
was
purchased
for
a
price
way
over
the
accept
value
restrictions
at
the
time
supported.
C
A
On
my
end,
it
does
speak
someone
to
the
what
comes
to
mind.
Is
the
the
State
Street
one
recently
where
we
get
into
the
policy
word
I,
don't
know
it
doesn't
provide
financials
we're
not
even
in
a
position
to
take
financials
as
the
sole
determinant
factor
for
release.
F
Site,
whether
or
not
with
the
math
pencils
that
said
I
also
really
to
Jason's
comment
about,
you
know
perceived
detriment
to
the
community.
I
could
see.
I
could
see
having
balconies
that
close
to
the
setback
is
problematic
on
the
rear
side,
and
we
can't
take
into
it
into
account
that
Council
might
Amendment.
We
have
to
go
off
of
what
the
zone
is
at
the
time
which
appeal
foreign.
C
C
G
K
C
A
C
C
F
College
Ave
I
do
really
make
a
motion
to
deny
the
variants,
the
rear,
yard
setback
and
variance
for
what
we're
all
bought
area
coverage,
whether
or
not
desirable
change
will
be
producing
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
a
detriment
to
nearby
properties.
F
Yes,
based
on
the
submit
interior's
observation
and
neighborhood,
and
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting
requested
varians
will
produce
an
undesirable
character
or
native
based
on
the
overall
massing
of
the
structure
in
relation
to
its
rear
yard
setback.
Size.
A
F
Height
could
have
an
adverse
impact,
a
neighboring
property.
Well,
this
adventure
saw
by
the
account
can
be
achieved
by
a
feasible
alternative
to
the
variance.
Yes,
the
benefit
that
salt
by
the
impound
could
still
be
realized
when
constructing
a
building
on
a
lot
that
comprise
with
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
account
has
failed
to
provide
information
pertaining
to
the
topographical
considerations
that
might
inhibit
that.
Whether
the
requested
variance
is
substantial.
F
F
F
Yes,
absolutely
regrettably,
this
sport
is,
is
not
the
purveyor
of
policy
and
the
accountant
willingly
not
only
purchase
the
property
and
carried
through
to
this
point
at
their
own
volition
and
risk,
and
they
did
so
knowing
that
they
were
pursuing
a
project
that
understaffed
put
down
to
their
property
rights
and.
F
Request,
whether
an
undesirable
change
will
be
producing
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
a
government
of
nearby
properties.
Yes,
the
distance
between
the
rear
yard
of
the
adjacent
property
could
be
impact
due
to
the
overall
size
and
massing
of
the
structure
and
its
additional.
F
Of
required
setback
by
code
would
alleviate
that
undesirable.
Shame
whether
the
benefit
stock
or
the
impoundment
can
be
achieved
by
a
physical
alternative
to
the
variance.
Yes,
the
development
is
still
to
adequately
representative
town
that
they
could
that
they
could
not
build
a
building
that
didn't
entertain,
that
additional
five
leader
required
required
setback,
whether
the
required
variance
it
was
substantial.
Yes
in
Aggregate
and
looking
at
the
required
amounts
that
deficient
by
roughly
one-third.
This
is
a
substantial
eventually
going
at
a
hand.
F
F
Defended
through
information
provided
by
board
members
and
the
overall
criteria
has
led
us
in
this
direction,
I
hear
about
anything
motion
to
deny
the
very
hard
to
setback.
Repeal
distribution.
F
N
I
would
like
to
get
it
in
before
the
vote
because
it
has,
it
has
to
do
with
what
we
were
told
about
the
the
coming
change
to
the
zoning
to
10
feet
and
I
know.
That's
not
what
you're
asked
to
act
upon
today,
but
Megan
we
had
talked
and
you
had
suggested
that
you
would
clarify
that
10
10
foot,
rear
yard
is
is
coming
potentially.
Obviously,
common
Council
has
to
approve
it,
but
it's
your
recommendation.
I,
don't
know
if
that
factors
in
here,
but
just
I
feel
a
little
misled.
That's
all.
F
A
G
Will
just
and
I
will
call
the
members,
but
I
do
just
want
to
add,
because
I
understand
the
point
that
that's
not
what
the
zoning
is,
but
we
have
been
just
as
background
and
discussing
that
change
in
terms
of
not
reducing
the
green
space.
That's
required,
but
reducing
the
rear
yarn
to
the
Green
Space
can
be
disperse
on
the
lot,
so
it
wouldn't
be
necessarily
requiring
all
the
green
takes
to
be
forces.
The
back
bill
out,
which
has
been
an
issue
again
so
I,
do
I
will
agree
that
I.
G
You
know
we
have
been
discussing
that
I
can't
tell
you
when
that's
going
to
happen.
I
I
also
can't
say
whether
the
council
would
support
it
or
not,
but
it
will
be
coming
as
a
staff
recommendation
at
some
point.
E
G
F
Okay,
so
with
that,
the
two
variants
requests
have
been
formally
denied.
G
Get
the
you
know
the
written
decision
award
to
Jason
and
Chris
within
a
week
and
you
know,
there's
a
different
change
or
different
proposal
that
might
you.
G
Yeah
the
project,
or
is
only
a
compliant
project,
is
designed.
F
G
They
were
I'm
sure
they'll
be
work.
They
have
to
do
when
they
go
back
to
the
board.
A
C
E
I
O
We
were
before
this
board
of
zoning
appeals
for
the
same
sign
variance
a
few
months
ago.
I
think
it
was
either
September
October
and
it's
for
the
signage
related
to
the
ithacan
project.
That's
just
down
the
street
from
City
Hall
on
Green
Street,
which
also
has
pedestrian
access
through
the
commons,
which
is
215
East,
State
Street
through
the
through
the
existing
Rothschild
building.
O
What
I'll
do
is
just
bring
the
board
up
to
speed.
Basically,
when
we
presented
at
the
initial
variance
request
with
this
board,
we
talked
about
numerous
different
signs,
so
I've
shown
here
the
building
elevations
of
the
original
proposal.
O
Essentially,
we
had
Channel
lettering
over
the
entrance
on
Green
Street,
along
with
a
an
icon
on
the
upper
story,
which
was
almost
100
square
feet
and
then,
on
the
commons
facing
side,
we
had
the
same
icon
at
the
top
of
the
tower
the
residential
building,
and
then
we
had
the
ethic
and
lettering
with
a
logo
next
to
it,
on
the
Rothschild
building
to
designate
that
as
a
residential
entrance
Through
The
Pedestrian
Corridor
of
the
commons.
O
There
was
some
support
from
this
board
for
the
signage
package
that
was
presented,
but
we
did
adjourn
and
postpone
any
decision
at
that
meeting,
because
this
board
wanted
the
planning
and
development
boards
input
and
recommendation
regarding
the
signage,
which
was
not
in
hand.
The
last
time
we
presented
so
since
that
time
we
did
go
to
the
planning
board.
O
They
were
strongly
opposed
to
the
large
signage.
At
the
top
of
the
tower,
we
spent
several
meetings
with
the
planning
board
to
remove
those
logos.
O
We
brought
smaller
logos
down
onto
the
first
floor,
directly
adjacent
to
the
entrances
and
we
actually
went
through
one
last
iteration,
which
is
what
is
now
being
presented
this
evening
for
the
signage,
which
was
to
further
reduce
those
size
of
the
logos
that
we
brought
in
so
again.
Here's
what
we
have
on
East
Green
Street.
The
logos
have
been
removed
from
the
top
of
the
building.
O
The
sizes
of
the
signs
have
been
significantly
reduced
throughout
the
course
of
the
planning
boards
comment
and
sort
of
review
period.
The
channel
letters
just
to
take
you
back
through
what
is
allowed
in
this
District,
which
is
part
of
our
justification
for
requesting
additional
signage,
is
that
this
building
is
a
residential
building
and
there
is
no
distinguishing
factor
between
the
city's
code
with
respect
to
a
residential
building
of
this
size
and
scale.
O
In
the
cbd-140
district
of
Central
Downtown
versus
a
small
residential
apartment
style
house
with
two
or
three
units
on
it,
every
residential
property
is
allowed
12
square
feet
of
signage.
Two
signage,
two
signs
maximum.
O
Obviously
you
know
this
is
a
certainly
a
unique
situation
in
terms
of
the
facade
that's
available
for
signage
and
sort
of
the
visibility
that's
created
within
the
downtown
district
that
we're
in
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
do
justify
this
no
signage,
but
we
have
reduced
the
signage
to
a
point
where
the
planning
board
did
formally
recommend
approval
of
this
package
that
we're
presenting
to
you
this
evening.
So
the
channel
letters
remain
the
same
size,
they're
22
square
feet,
which
is
what
we're
requesting
the
logo
has
been
reduced
in
size.
O
So
that's
a
compliant
nine
square
feet.
It's
about
a
three
foot
circle
and
then
same
on
the
common
side.
It's
22
square
feet
as
opposed
to
the
12
allowed
for
the
ithacan
channel
lettering,
and
then
we
have
the
nine
square.
Foot
circle.
Logo!
That's
right!
Next
to
it.
So
the
two
logos
are
compliant
based
on
my
reading
of
Megan's
agenda
and
the
request
is
for
the
two
additional
signs
that
designate
the
channel
lettering
for
the
building's
name.
Proper
I
can
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
as
well.
G
I
B
K
I
G
Todd
kerslow
in
the
market
I'm
continually
opposed
to
any
and
all
alterations
to
this
publicly
funded
project.
I
request
that
this
be
reviewed
by
the
offer
operating
body
that
approved
the
DDA
over
215
State
Street,
the
iora.
B
G
Propose
18
inches
height
and
approximately
22
square
feet.
The
board
approves
it
internally,
letting
measure
of
the
channel
letter
sign
located
on
Green
Street
and
the
hail
approach
to
the
illumination
of
the
channel
letters
and
the
comments.
The
sliding
reflects
the
urban
conditions
on
both
sides
of
the
streets
appropriately.
As
for
the
local
Sun,
the
board
approves
the
package
without
their
no
local
Sciences
is
preferred
or
a
much
smaller
scale
of
three
feet
each
at
the
largest
in
height
on
both
sides
of
building.
This
equates
to
approximately
nine
square
feet
for
each
local
sign.
G
The
logo
signs
are
compliant
with
the
sign
ordinance,
so
I
know
the
planning
board
recommended
that
they
not
have
them,
but
that's
really
a
discussion
between
them
and
the
advocate
for
discipline.
It's
the
board
so.
O
Yes,
yes,
they
they
just
made
note
of
that
as
sort
of
an
either
or
option,
and
it
was
very
strange,
but
obviously
logoing
is
important
to
the
identity
of
the
building.
So
they
understood
that
and
kind
of
left
it
as
the
applicant's
choice
as
to
whether
you
know
we
wanted
to
include
those
logos,
because
part
of
my
discussion
with
them
was
that,
as
we
went
from
a
larger
logo
down
to.
O
Logo
that
the
size
and
scale
of
it
may
not
feel
appropriate,
but
we
did
settle
on
the
three
four
three
by
three
Circle
that
fits
into
a
three
by
three.
So
it's
nine
square
feet.
They
won't
be
illuminated
and
obviously
the
you
know.
The
logo
goes
with
the
you
know,
with
the
name
and
style
of
the
building
and
things
like
leasing,
office
and
and
sort
of
some
of
the
themes.
O
So
a
lot
of
it
is
desirable
for
the
applicant
and
that's
how
we
present
it
to
both
the
planning
board
and
this
BCA
for
our
signed
package.
K
The
factors
that
are
considered
for
finding
an
available
board
and
conducted
a
environmental
review-
it's
determined
this-
has
no
negative
impacts
on
the
environment
purpose
for
which
the
sign
has
erected
the
distance
from
which
the
sign
is
intended
to
be
read
and
the
character
of
the
adjacent
streets
shall
be
taken
into
consideration.
In
all
cases,
the
smallest
line
that
will
suit
to
purpose
she'll,
be
together.
They
can't
legitimate
business
interests
to
be
promoted
by
the
side
on
the
speed
limits
and
traffic
conditions
and
adjacent
students.
K
The
applicants
composing
two
signs
on
the
215
East
State
Street
parcel
with
two
sides
on
the
210
East
Green
Street
parcel
well
I
want
to
pause
here,
could
I
glue
them
together,
so
I
mean?
Why
are
we
calling
those
two
sides.
O
So
that's
a
good
question.
We
we
could,
but
still
would
be
obviously
now
a
cumulative
area,
so
it
would
still
need
the
the
variance.
K
G
K
K
Buildings
in
the
city,
the
board
finds
the
proposed
signed
package
to
be
consistent
with
the
downtown
commercial
District
appropriate
to
decide
to
scale
of
the
building.
The
proposed
signage
will
not
impact
that
AC
reviews
or
Open
Spaces
the
signage
Services
way
finding
to
the
building
along
both
streets
games.
K
G
Brad,
there's
sign,
variance,
is
approved,
I'll
get
this
written
up
and
your
assignment
permits
for
these
signs
putting
the
still
ahead
or
when
you're.
E
B
B
H
H
Sorry,
yeah
I'm
Craig,
monitor
with
stream
collaborative
on
this
Avi,
should
also
be
on
the
Zoom
meeting,
so
stream
collaborative
with
Architects
with
project
Avi
Smith
is
the
owner
of
Argos
in,
and
so
we
are
here
to
present
on
the
two
variances
that
we
would
that
we
will
be
looking
for
at
a
future
meeting.
H
The
first
variance
is
a
rear
yard
setback
and
just
to
go
over
that
quickly,
I
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
a
major
issue.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
you
know
we're
proposing
a
an
addition
to
the
Argos
in,
so
it
would
be
11
rooms,
it's
an
expansion
on
the
back
side,
so
just
to
give
you
a
layout
of
the
site,
the
you
know
the
road
State
streets
along
here
parking
lot.
H
Existing
Argos
in
existing
patio
proposed
expansion
on
the
back
side,
which
has
11
rooms.
The
expansion
will
all
set
within
the
setbacks
required
by
zoning,
but
there's
an
existing
one-story
garage.
That's
right
here
that
we're
going
to
utilize
in
the
future
for
some
office
space
and
that
that
corner
of
the
garage
is
approximately
19
feet.
H
H
H
The
outside
Terrace,
which
currently
exists
where
we're
planning
on
the
expansion
and
we're
basically
taking
the
same
amount
of
square
footage
of
exterior
Terrace
and
moving
it
over
to
the
end
of
the
parking
lot.
So
we're
not
increasing
the
size
of
that,
but
the
Terrace
and
outside
seating
never
previously
was
counted
in
any
zoning
requirement
for
parking.
H
So
the
way
that's
counted
is
by
square
footage,
so
that
alone,
this
out
outdoor
space,
would
require
48
spaces
according
to
the
zoning
requirements,
so
we're
looking
at
a
need
of
86
spaces.
H
H
There
were,
there
were
a
a
few
parking
spaces,
I
think
somewhere
between
eight
and
ten.
They
were
previously
in
agreement
with
the
warehouse
next
door,
which
is
off
of
this
parcel.
It's
not
part
of
this
parcel,
but
they
had
a
parking
agreement.
They
have
since
worked
out
a
parking
agreement
elsewhere,
so
those
have
been
recouped
for
use
solely
by
Argos.
H
The
indoor,
the
indoor
bar
and
the
outdoor
Terrace
leaves
the
size
of
it
have
not
changed
at
all.
So
what
we're
proposing
and
what
exists
currently
are
basically
the
same,
except
for
the
addition
of
11
rooms
to
the
end.
What
so?
What
we're
proposing
is
a
parking
spot
for
every
room
in
the
end,
so
there's
24
24
rooms
currently
or
there
would
be
24
rooms
with
the
addition
and
so
we're
proposing
24
rooms.
H
I
mean
24
parking
spaces,
so
one
for
each
customer
there
and
so
we're
essentially
asking
for
a
variance
for
the
the
inside
bar
and
the
outside
bar
one.
You
know
realistically
the
way
they
use
these
very
rarely.
If
ever
the
are
both
bars
actually
open
at
the
same
time,
so
they're
seasonal,
when
it's
nice
weather
they
have
the
outside
bar
open.
H
When
it's
you
know,
crummy
weather,
not
so
good
weather,
they
have
the
indoor
bar
open,
the
let's
see
or
our
use,
and
then
let
me
go
to
parking
area.
So
this
is
a
map.
It
kind
of
loosely
done.
I
didn't
use
a
zoning
map
because
it's
very
confusing
and
hard
to
read,
but
these
so
this
shaded
area
are
all
the
parcels
and
zones
that
don't
require
any
parking,
so
there's
CBD
zones
and
whatnot.
H
Obviously,
here
is
Argos
right
across
the
street
from
Gateway
Center
Gateway
Center
is
a
perfect
example,
so
we're
in
the
middle
of
redesigning
Gateway
Center
to
have
46
apartment
build
of
apartments
in
it.
It
has
two
restaurants
in
it.
Currently
it's
got
a
gym
and
stuff
like
that.
Their
required
parking
would
be
at
least
what
Argos
is,
if
not
more
and
but
because
of
their
Zone.
They
don't
require
any
parking.
H
H
But
there's
no
there's
no
gradient
for
the
parking
requirement.
You
either
don't
have
parking
or
you
do
have
parking
and
so
I
guess
what
we're?
Looking
at
is
sort
of
a
compromise,
we're
providing
parking
for
all
the
customers
for
the
Inn
and
we're
asking
for
the
variance
for
the
bar
situations,
both
interior
and
exterior,
to
not
require
parking
much
like
most
of
the
cafes
and
restaurants,
all
in
the
surrounding
area.
H
That
also
have
no
requirement
for
any
parking,
so
they
utilize
parking
garages,
on-street
parking,
you
know,
biking
taking
the
bus,
all
that
kind
of
stuff
and
obviously
works
out.
Just
fine
for
them
and
AVI
has
done
some
experience.
I
would
say:
sort
of
experimentation
or
investigation
over
the
last
couple
years.
Taking
a
look
at
the
surrounding
streets
on
their
their
busiest
nights
going
around
taking
a
look
at
the
streets
and
seeing
okay
is
there?
H
Is
there
available
parking
because
you
know
they
haven't
had
enough
available
for
the
bar
and
whatnot
anyway?
So
is
it
available
and
he's
found
that
there
seems
to
be
plenty
of
parking
available
on
their
busiest
nights?
H
P
Sure
it
took
me
a
minute
to
connect
so
I'm,
not
sure
I,
don't
think
I
missed
much
of
what
you
said:
Craig
I,
missed
the
very
beginning,
so
I
hope,
I,
don't
repeat
anything
is
but
anyway
to
chime
in
on
what
you
were
just
saying,
I
think
you're,
getting
into
the
the
fact
that
yeah
we've
had
a
chance
over
two
years
of
the
pandemic,
to
see
what
it's
like
to
have
no
bar
parking,
because
due
to
the
pandemic,
of
course,
we
wanted
to
expand
our
outdoor
seating,
so
we
used
up
the
whole
back
area.
P
The
parking
lot
for
outdoor
seating
and
the
city
gave
me
permission
to
temporarily
not
have
bar
parking.
So
for
two
years
we
had
a
sign
in
the
front
of
the
parking
lot.
That
said,
Hotel
parking
only
just
like
what
our
plan
is
to
do.
If
this
project
goes
forward
to
have
it
be
a
hotel
parking
only
and
it
worked,
it
worked
really
well
worked
fine
for
the
business.
The
bar
was
actually
more
popular
than
ever,
because
we
were
one
of
the
few
places
that
had
so
much
outdoor
seating
and
I.
P
So
there
was
many
many
times
on
the
busiest
time
at
Argos
that
I
went
up
Skyler
and
Seneca
Street
and
videotaping
what
the
parking
looked
like
when
we're
at
our
Peak
business,
and
there
was
always
plenty
of
street
parking,
so
I
can
at
any
point
in
the
future.
I
can
share
those
videos,
there's
many
of
them
going
out
at
the
Peak
bar
times,
so
yeah,
just
and
so.
P
I'll
also
make
another
point
that
when
we
started
this
project
being
that
we
have
15
bar
parking
spots
now
I
mean
we
have
a
parking
lot
of
30
spots
and
roughly
half
is
for
the
hotel
and
half
for
the
bar.
Currently.
P
So
when
we
started
this,
this
project
I
was
thinking.
We
would
need
a
variance
for
those
15
bar
parking
spots
that
we
currently
have,
because
you
know,
variants
did
not
have
to
have
the
bar
parking,
but
the
calculation
was
done
that
there's
actually
48
parking
spots
needed,
not
that
the
bar
is
getting
any
larger.
It's
staying
the
exact
same
size,
but
that
would
be
the
proper
calculation
for
our
current
bar
of
how
many
spots
we
need.
P
So
my
my
point,
sort
of
is
is
that
most
of
these
48
parking
spots
are
requesting
a
variance
for
are
not
due
to
the
new
construction
that
we're
proposing.
Most
of
them
are
a
current
issue
and
I
think
yeah.
We
currently,
we
would
need
33
more
parking
spots
officially
to
be
in
compliance.
P
That's
just
an
interesting
point
to
make
that,
even
if
we
did
nothing
that
you
know,
most
of
these
spots
are
due
to
the
current
situation,
not
not
the
addition
we're
proposing,
but
yeah
it's
it's
just.
You
know,
I
think
Craig,
sort
of
made
this
point
that
you
know
well
everywhere
from
the
Argos
in
to
you
know
the
west
side
of
the
downtown
area.
Here,
there's
no
other
bar
restaurant.
P
That's
required
to
have
parking
in
this
whole
area
and
I
believe
that's
the
case
up
in
college
town
as
well,
and
the
businesses
downtown
tend
to
to
find
the
you
know.
The
State
Theater
doesn't
have
any
parking
and
the
larger
chain
hotels
within
a
block
or
two
of
the
Argos
in
such
as
the
Marriott
in
the
canopy
and
the
in
the
Hilton
have
no
or
not
required
to
have
parking
for
their
bars
and
restaurants
and
there's
and
there's
you
know
some.
F
G
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
think
I
have
to
look
it's
in
a
b
Zone.
So
right
now
my
understanding
is.
You
have
30
parking
spaces
on.
B
G
Is
according
to
our
property
model,
is
that
correct
right
now
and
you're
going
to
go
down
to
21.
H
H
H
H
Still,
the
total
that
would
be
required
with
the
extra
11
in
rooms
and
all
the
bar
spaces,
interior
and
exterior
would
be
86
spaces
total
and
we
are
proposing
to
provide
24
to
cover
the
rooms.
So
it's
so
it's
64
spaces
that
we're
asking
for
a
variance
for
which
is
basic,
which
is
72
of
the
requirement.
P
C
P
Need
to
clarify
that
it
is
the
case
that
that
people,
when
the
outdoor
bar
is
open,
people
can
still
sit
indoors
in
the
summertime.
We
don't
say
no,
no
seating
indoors,
but
when
the
outdoor
bar
is
open,
it
tends
to
be
that
pretty
much.
Everybody
is
outdoors.
That's
just
the
trend
of
things.
It's
it's
almost
I
mean
never
the
case.
Unless
there's
you
know,
you
know
a
handful
of
times
per
year,
like
New
Year's,
Eve
party.
P
D
E
C
G
Shared
a
lease
shared
parking
agreement
with
true
Insurance
that
has
gotten
formal
program.
Okay,
thank
you.
E
K
K
I
think
we're
going
to
need
to
see
some
reasons
to
let
you
do
this.
That's
a
it's
a
huge
number
away
from
where
we
are
that's
going
to
be
a
hard
sell,
so
finding
those.
This
is
why
there's
no
feasible
Alternatives.
We
just
approved
a
building
with
a
huge
amount
of
parking
across
the
street.
K
H
H
Yada
yada,
you
know
we
asked
other
people
that
are
trying
to
get
parking
variance
to
see
if
they
could
have
rented.
C
H
K
I
did
have
a
question
about
employees.
You
said
you're
putting
up
new
office
space
in
one
of
the
editions,
there's
obviously
bartenders
staff
for
the
hotel.
Where
are
they
gonna
Park?
So
we'll
need
an
answer
for
that
as
well,
because
if
they're
who's
who's
going
to
take
priority,
Hotel
guests-
and
you
know-
then
all
of
your
employees
go
elsewhere.
I'll
want
to
know
that.
F
There's
I
guess:
first
off
I'd
really
like.
F
A
F
A
C
That's
my
initial
reaction.
Well,
isn't
there
an
existing
structure
there,
like
aren't
you
building
on.
H
Like
something
that
was
their
previously,
there
was
an
addition
on
the
back
of
the
building.
At
one
point
so
and
then
there
was
also
a
greenhouse
off
of
the
the
east
side
of
the
building
at
one
point,
so
we
so
there
is
historic
precedent
for
a
larger
structure.
That
was
there
because
I
feel
like
me
as
a
word,
sometimes
treat
differently
Parcels
with
existing
structures,
and
you
know
you're
sort
of
working
with
the
new
content
of
what
you
have
rather
than
starting
trash,
but
I
think
I'm,
giving
too
much
of
them.
I
C
A
B
K
M
G
Have
a
much
smaller
agenda,
but
it's
we
have
a
couple
bigger
projects.
I
would
say
coming
so
just
to
be
a
little
bit
to
have.
B
K
G
7Th,
we
have
I
think
three
appeals,
including
in
a
sign
package
for
the
asterian
building
and
store
the
degrees
building,
which
came,
oh,
a
series
next
door
with
the
conference
center
they're
coming
for
signs
Breeze.
Another
one
freeze
is
the
one
that
you
had
a
farmer
and
could
have
been
saying.